RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor AU: Australia V World Ep 5 Recap

Episode Date: August 25, 2025

We Know Global Survivor host Shannon Guss is recapping every episode of Australian Survivor: Australia V World. Tonight, she and Pooya discuss a huge merge episode, including where everyone sits, a unique challenge, auction decisions and beyond.

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The adventure of a lifetime. The adventure of a lifetime. Hello everyone and welcome to RHAP's coverage of Australian Survivor for Australia the World. I'm your host, Shannon Guss. to discuss the merge and what an episode. There is no Monday slump, which is great for my guest. I honestly think in a great season with a high bar,

episodes two and five have probably been my two favorite. This merge was so much fun. Seeing everyone get to finally interact, we had a big vote as well with a lot of strategic permutations here. And I have Puyo to talk about it. Puyah, thank you for being here. I am so happy to be here. Truly blessed after, you know, the middle episode of the week,

kind of being the slump for a long time. Look at us right on top now, killing it. The merch, the merge, an auction, even. A challenge that was canceled? Last gasp. That was crazy. Can we just say from the get-go? Yeah.

Like a 4-3-3. Where do we want to begin? It was so good. Oh, my God. There was so much going on. It was genuinely entertaining, I think, start to finish. and I really enjoyed it on the rewatch as well. I guess we can start at the fact that they merge

and we get all of these interactions that I've really wanted. Part of me was like, don't think about what you've lost. Don't think about the fact that we were meant to get, like, Luke and Tony or Tony kept referencing George and that, like, don't do that. Like, think about the fact that you've got, like, Tommy telling Kirby he was Team Ferris. You know, I feel like this is the exact conversation you and Leana would have had if you were to meet Kirby, so I love that.

Sonny and Parvety, Kirby and Parvety. A lot of people in poverty, like, these interactions were so much fun for me. I mean, this is a crossover event where fan fiction comes to life. Like, it was very fun to see play out. We've been waiting for this for a minute. You shouldn't be thinking about the four people that do not get to be a part of it. You should think about the 10 that are there to be a part of it. That's me.

I think that speaks to who I am in a concerning way. But I was really loving every single second of the merge and doing it at the auction, which honestly, the auction was like a little limited. I'm like, give something to Surrey. Um, but there was fun stuff there as well. An auction is always really, really fun. So yeah, this episode kind of had it all. Yeah, I can't think of an element where it was lacking.

Um, again, like you alluded to also, even in the moment where the, the challenge usually is kind of like a lot for some people is like, I'm, I'm in it for that for us, not so much. Even then there was excitement. It was intense. So I really can't complain about anything we got today. I do wonder how people react to the challenge getting cancelled and going down to a rock draw which is unfortunate but I don't know that there's a better way to handle that.

They can't give them all immunity. It feels unfair for none of them to get immunity. They all had to agree on it. Like it was raining so hard that I don't even usually notice this stuff but they clearly could not get a shot of them walking to tribal council because that shot was them walking to the challenge like poverty and Sarah are other ones with the immunity necklace. So the weather I think was insane,

especially for a challenge that has been controversial in Australia. Last Gasp used to have news articles about how it was like torture and they're doing it in the rain. All the props to Tommy cast Janine, Janine Ellis, who could be in a boardroom right now being a boss lady and is under the water and Luke who did incredible in that challenge. I don't think there was another way and it kind of was interesting, right? Like we've had that before with last gas where there's a tie because people just see it out.

So I kind of think this challenge is so rogue and extreme that sometimes different things happen. If they were happy for it to go to a rock drawer, I was fine with it. And I was actually so happy that Tommy got the rock. because Tommy was so endearing in this episode in so many ways. It was so perfect with him rocking himself out of his first ever auction the day before when he came out of the challenge

and he was like, I did it. He was so happy. He was talking about Finland and have medals. I was like, I was wishing for Tommy and I am really glad he got it. So that didn't detract from me, but I don't know how the audience will respond to something like that. I think that if there was only two of them left, I genuinely think they would have just given both of them a immunity and move on. But four out of ten is ridiculous. Like that's not going to happen. And I think then

if they had given them a different challenge of sorts, I don't think that's fair because that's not the challenge they started with. The skill set was clearly these four excelled at this and you can't continue this. They even showed the shot of it's submerged on the water. We can't do that. I did like the idea that even if

one person disagreed, none of them were safe. Part of me wishes, it was just none of you were safe, but then it's like, well, what was the point of being in the water for that amount of time? So this was the better move. I think all four of them agreed to it so no one can be salty. neither should you at home and we can move on when sometimes the elements prevent you from doing

the thing you were planning on doing and it's okay it's okay it's allowed i feel like in our maybe in our modern age a lot of people will use the weather as a lie to get out of making plans or doing things in this instance the weather was not a lie this was really a thing that happened that prevented them from hanging out under the water yeah and i think as well it actually did lead to an interesting strategic situation where they had to choose if they were going to go for the necklace. Now, it worked out that it was like perfectly balanced two from each tribe, two really close allies as well. So it made sense to just have a 50, 50 shot at you are an ally having it, a 25% chance of you having it. In another world where it's like you versus everyone from another

tribe, maybe you're the one who's like, nah, actually, I'll give up my shot at it so that none of you can have it. We also have to think about the social ramifications of that, of being the one person to be like, no, no one gets immunity even though we all almost died under the water. So I think that that was an interesting choice. And I think that, yeah, if they give all four of them immunity, that guts the strategy. And we see here there are so many options. Three people are going to get votes. So you want as many people open as possible. So this was handled, I think, very well. But should we talk about the vote? A 433, which I think was a split. We can talk about it. Do you want to start with Pavity and

Surrey? Always the bells of the ball in the center of everything here, who should be these like huge targets and are actually who everyone wants to work with. What did you think about Parvety and Surrey in this episode? I don't want to hear anyone, anyone who watches any of these shows act like, wow, if I was to go on, I would go after these veterans. I would go after the legends because they're going to, yeah, look, all your legends are falling at the, at the heels of these two for good reason. I think that both Sarie and Parv had shown in the past to be open to working with

people. They ride with the people they ride with, but they're always willing to hear another offer. And I think that that is something to be, you know, to be said. I think both of them are very welcoming. We've talked about that extensively. But it was very fun for me that this wasn't just a well, our five and you are going to go against their five. We're going to vote five strong. Whatever happens happens. Because me, I don't want that. This is way more intriguing to me. And honestly, Shannon, this vote, right now voting. block of four we'll see where it goes from here this has the makings to be

my favorite alliance of all time I think a lot of people are going to say that this four this is amazing you can't make this better this four um nope you can't you can't make this better I'm gonna stand on it

this is a fan fiction four to the point where shone even says like this is what the people want I don't even watch this show and I know that this is the shontan that they want and she said she and probably you've been following each other on Instagram. It is a beautiful four. It is a four that is a minority of nine,

and we'll talk about that for the episode, well, not next week, tomorrow night. This was such an interesting spot because Harvey and Surrey, and this was, again, they've really enjoyed these like stalemates that they've had with Cass and Lisa with these kind of differing viewpoints,

but they, you know, they had to split their five. And in a different world, the Australians come over, the top and win the day. And that's the concern is that either they're trying to lead a vote. They didn't have to split their vote. They split the vote. But either they're trying to lead the vote to an idol play or they're trying to get you to split, which is what the Australians were trying to do so that they can come over the top, which is not what they were doing. I have to credit Pavri and Ceres read. I don't know that many people do it better than these veterans. And I think

it's different if it's a consideration. Like at no point are Shoney and Kirby actually like, but should we get one over on that? Well, they're split. They might split the votes. Like, should we save Sarah? Should we come over the top? That's not a consideration. And I think they're very much reading that true transparency from them.

And I'm not mad at that at all. For the internationals, I feel like this is much more concerning. And they might have some more options again tomorrow night to make a new majority. But it's like, you want us to split our five on your read or to lead to an idol. And they choose to split the vote. But you want us to split our five. And for what? Firstly, to put us at risk because Parvini and Surrey aren't the ones being targeted,

secondly, so that you can make new friends. You care more about the relationship with Kirby and Shoney and not pissing them off rather than knowing they're splitting, well, in the hope that they're spending the vote. If they're not splitting the vote, then they're getting one over on us and we're screwed. If they are splitting the vote, actually, we can just win on a five, and you don't want us to do that because you're prioritizing a relationship with Kirby and Shoney. If that's the case, who are these new friends of yours? why do you care so much about their relationship?

Because what happens next time? Next time we're in a relationship with Kirby and Shawnee. What if we want to vote out Luke and Kirby says no? What are you going to do? Is it going to be us? Or what if we do vote out Luke and Janine? But then we need to come for Kirby and Shawnee. Oh, are you prioritizing them over us?

Like, I don't want to put myself at risk when we can win the day on your, firstly on your read. And secondly, so you can make new friends to displace us. So the World Tribe have options now, the international. So Reeves says it could piss them off. But yeah, I was like, they're putting a lot here into just really upholding what Syrian poverty should want, which was not really good for the internationals at all. Yeah, but I think that, I think also the fact of the matter is, y'all voted out Tony. You made, like, obviously it's AU versus the world, but it's also kind of just been AU versus U.S. versus the world, in a way, specifically on that tribe also.

like these three have made a very clear we are a three and then there's also and then and then um Lisa and and Cass have this four with parven suri as well I think that for me it's interesting because everyone's got to be looking at having extra options I think that ideally for the world they went out this five five they woulda let down to five the three of them take out parviti and take out suri and take the top three so they're in a great spot there's a reason why they shouldn't want to try and push anything different and just like fly for the course. And also, it's very hard to believe this other group of people. You don't really know them.

You don't know what they're about because we just came in saying we want to be our five strong. They're probably saying the same thing. Why wouldn't they try and sabotage us and coming from the inside us? I think to go back to what you said at the top, credit to Parv and Surrey for being able to recognize that this is real. This is good. But also, when their names aren't really out there, why should they work? this is a risk they can take and they can manage later. I think what also helps is that they have an idol in case they need it for later.

I think, again, we've talked about these idols and people last week were like, no, Luke should have used his idol? Well, guess what? Now we're at a final nine. I was people. Yeah, yeah. But the less the people, the more the idol becomes powerful. So for them, it's okay, if they end up voting out, if they're actually not working with us,

we can figure out a way to bounce back, right? So, because let's picture it this way, right? This was a long con. And Kirby and Shawnee were actively going to take out a world person. And this was the scheme to try and split the vote up. You don't think the first thing these two are going to do is go tell Sarah, hey, you know, we were told why we voted that way? Because these two told us to do it.

Like, I think the cracks are already there. And I think that just hearing the conversations probably indicated that. that there are some divisions within this group. This is not a facade. Not everyone is a Emmy or Global Emmy or what's the other one? Golden Globe winning actor. Yeah, Golden Globe winning actors here. They're not award winning actors here.

They're not actually doing the performance. So it's clear there's some dissension here and we can figure out what's going on there and move on from that. So I think that is key and I think that's important. Also, Shawnee said. that she is the first ever person to make the merge four times. Yeah, that's not right. Ozzie did. Yes.

At least. Of the top of my head. And also, so re in poverty are doing it now, but not in a row. Yeah. Like, Johnny's four for four,

but so was Ozzy. And Ozzy did go to redemption, but that was by choice. But didn't he go to redemption after the Mertoner? No, right before. He went before, but they, on purpose.

Like, so you really can't count that. So? He still, he chose to go. he chose to go that's on him but now we're doing shawnee in defending Aussie that's not what the people want that's not the Sean but it is true

I'm not going to let you be fed to the wolves for this well that's the thing I had I had missed her saying like only person to have done it in a row like never she didn't say you're giving her grace because yeah you're giving her you're interpreting that way I was going to say a bunch of you are getting to that club together right now like you're all at the same entrance so who was telling Shawnee that information

because Shawnee doesn't know. Like, Shawnee doesn't watch these seasons. It's not Shawnee's fault. It's whoever told her wrongly, like probably George on his way out. Like, Shawnee, you should say this. Also, to defend myself from a week ago, the whole game looks different if David's still here.

We don't know if Luke would need the idol. That's just separate. One of this, let's talk about what actually happened. Should we do that? It might be confused about what happened. Because it was a 433, love a plurality vote. I'm sure this was a split vote. As Lisa says, she's trusting Sri and Parve.

If you can't trust them, Who can you trust? But then in Tribal Council, they're trying to bring Surrey over. I think that they're trying to be like, look, we split Australia. So that would be great. Let's do at least a 4-3-3 on Janine because Janine's less likely to have the idol. Also, if an idol is played on Sarah and it's three Janine and three casts, Dukhby and Shawnee Ash Silver-outed out Janine,

like we don't know what their priorities are in terms of that. So it's a tougher 3-3, whereas if at least Sarie comes over to the 4-3-3 on Janine, that's a better shot. Also, if poverty comes over and they keep their five united, that's a really, really good shot. And whether Australia is with them or not, they have the best shot of taking out

someone who they think won't have an idol, let alone maybe they've split up Australia and they've won. So they're trying to get that to happen. It's not what happens. Yeah, I thought that this was really interesting, and I'm sure that it was a split, but I do think that it could piss off the world,

as Surrey says. And I think that Luke is completely valid in the next time on for wanting to go to the internationals and make a new fire. because there's four while as lovely as they may be, and I'm sure I can hear Twitter exploding from the future, they are a four of nine.

They are a minority, but I do think that within that, I actually worry more for the Australia side. I worry more for Kirby, who did try to inform Luke and who did try to keep him in, but Luke has, you know, some potential here to be aggrieved. He does try to vote with Australia. He tries to tell Kirby not to do this,

and that doesn't go through, and she does kind of choose these new allies, and we'll talk about the fact that Luke blew it up to begin with, but this isn't what he wants. So I kind of feel like Surrey and poverty in that, even if they are in a possible minority, I think they're especially Surrey well protected by the internationals. And I worry for like a Kirby, but I've worried before. But I think this is very interesting because we've kind of ended up with these voting blocks of Luke and Janine, Kirby and Shawnee, Poverty and Surrey, and then the international three.

And they can kind of team up in different ways to make new majorities. yeah i think that this vote that's why i'm happy with this vote because i think it blew the game open we're not doing a very linear following yeah you has one side world has one side and they're going at it there's a lot of avenues that open up i think for someone like serri why this move is good it brings in for her two extra people who are not going to put her name down who she can rely on and work with and even in a four out of nine argument i think she still has lisa i even if lisa says i'm choosing to believe them. I still think she has Lisa because I think that this was the plan they proposed.

The reason they were not doing it is because they were worried about an idle use. And then Surrey can just run it back and be like, I could tell. I could tell that Kirby was not playing no idol on Sarah. That was never going to happen. This wasn't a gambit. And it's like, well, none of us went home either. And Lisa, your name wasn't written down either. So like, I think she can win Lisa back.

I'm not concerned. So for Surrey, it works out for Parvite. I mean, poverty will always, you know, take a route that might look difficult and isn't the easy road, especially when she has an idol in her back pocket just in case. And then especially, especially when she has a goddamn knowledge is power. The woman is... Well, an idol stealer, poverty. We don't actually call the knowledge is power.

You're in Australia. That's a mistranslation to Australia. She canonized it. It's on the episode. They didn't censor it. It's knowledge of power. Australian survivor. We have two people talking in a different language.

You can speak Australian survivor instead of U.S. but having you know we've always talked about knowing like having an idol or knowing where our idol is is almost a great asset app because you know other people don't have it meaning you are looking at the board with extra information that no one else has in this instance quite a few people know about her having the idol let's say okay cool they don't know about the stealer and i think that is huge because that could come up and the best way to get that information out of people shannon make as many allies as you can obviously she doesn't know this

but Luke has one and he hasn't told like he's he's going to be a vault probably he ain't telling anybody I think Cass might might say something down the maybe to somebody and then somebody tells her that's possible I don't disagree with you but I think that

but I think ultimately having those two things can give anybody the umf they need to just follow through with a plan that might be a little more risky Because, again, Parvety is someone who's talking about how high her threat level is, how much people are looking at her. So she could have taken the safe route and just went with the Janine vote. She does it. And I think that was good because, again, more people to talk with is better.

The more individual people feel better about you, the better you are because I think what happens with Parv on these shows is that even if you're her ally, you're her ally for a little bit. And then you kind of like a sleeper age and wake up, you're like, oh my God, why am I here with Parvety? I need to vote her out. So if she can make other allies, the odds of if one of them turns, she still has other people to rely on. And I think that's key because if you keep the same five, we were already seeing it happen with the world where Cass has been smarting up to poverty for a minute now.

So before that could go completely sour, she has other assets that she can use and move forward with as well. Yeah, I completely agree with you. I think this is great for poverty more than anyone, which will be reflected in the chizzy points because, well, firstly, we had a lot of fun with the cookies. Cookies are a very good omen on Australian Survivor, so she has that and burying it.

It was a very fun scene. She does get the idol-sealer and she has her own public idol. So that is its own separate thing. That was really good. But I think the thing with this is that, to her credit, I feel like they want to work with Surrey as well, but Kirby and Shawnee really want to work with Poverty. Like Pardy should be the biggest threat at this merge,

and she, again, is the bell of the ball. And I think that going with this, as you said, it gives her options. I think she still has protection. Whereas like for Surrey, who I'm also very impressed with, but I feel like Surrey is so good and managing the world, and she has a great alliance there. And I feel like put more investment in that.

They seem to trust Surrey more. And while I'm not upset with either of their read in doing this, the one thing that does kind of concern me is pissing off the worlds. But it pisses me off. It concerns me more for Surrey, which does piss me off because I always want Surrey to be okay. But I want her to be, yeah, I feel like she with the world has invested more and this could cut into that.

whereas with poverty, they're already saying they don't trust her and she's finding new options and she's earned those new options, which is good. So if the issue with this is cutting into the world, that's better for poverty than Surrey, I think, even though I am impressed with both of them. And I have concerns almost for everyone else. So like, you know, applause for poverty and Surrey as always. The thing that I find so interesting is Kirby and Shawnee. They make a huge choice here. As Luke says, they cut into Australia and they give up their Australia majority And I'm impressed at how much Surrey and poverty want to work with them. I want to say that from the jump.

And of course, it's a shanta that everyone wants where they possibly will upset their old allies and they will take a risk on, again, a correct read to have this relationship. But, you know, to either, going to rocks is a lot. And I kind of back all of these players not to go to rocks and then to just recover because they're all so powerful. But at the point where you're splitting them, then it becomes a real choice. Now, again, if it is a choice, this is going to be maybe counterintuitive, but if it is a choice, then maybe you're not splitting them.

The fact that it's not a choice is why Pavitin and Surrey are reading it so, so well, as great reads, as veteran players, to not, you know, to vote with them. And if it's a choice, maybe they don't take that risk. But at the point where technically you have split them and can stay as a five, they have actively chosen to not only not go to Rocks, which is not now the consideration, but to just break up the Australian Five. which is a very tenuous five. How did you feel about this for Kirby and Johnny?

It's interesting for the two of them because I do feel like they're bearing more risk doing this than Parv and Surrey ever did. Because they're losing an AU number. They are going to strain a relationship with Luke and Janine, which, FYI, wasn't as solid as it could. Like, this was the last chance for that, I feel like. They were already not on great term,

but it was like, we need each other, even though we're like a little bit, like, you know, separated. That's gone. now. So I feel like they went all in on Surrey and Parv, which is risky because these two are now in a situation where they have way

more power over you and your grouping than you do, but also I think for them their risk comes with the fact that they're the two biggest names here. So you might be looking to take them down than me, but also part of it, Shannon, and I can't stress this enough,

it is a Titans All-Star like top cream creme de la creme top of the food chain season and villains

and heroes this is a season to have fun in and what way can you have more fun than to look stare down the barrel of gun and say I'm working

with these two and we'll see how it goes I think that I think that people need to realize there is a very big chance that that's just kind of also a part of the decision making yeah

let's make history here let's make the fan fiction that people write become real why wouldn't be we you just mentioned how shani was like people are going to love this she knows she knows and she's delivering that could it be a detriment to her game potentially um but also she did get i feel like shani loki the only other thing left for shani to do is win the season right like that's the only thing left for her like her achievements i would say she already got a huge achievement here by denying george his 100th day getting the lick back from heroes versus villains and now it's to win but also to win is tough um so let's get the fun route in see how that goes maybe we win maybe we don't um and for kirby i feel like it's very tough because sarah said her name even though she ran it back immediately after it was like actually no no no i'm overthinking it first of all that part doesn't really make it to kirby now does it um what does make it to kirby was your name name was said. That's good enough to be like, well, I'm going to just keep doubting her now every chance I get for the next five days, six, day, seven, whatever. I don't want that doubt whispering

in my ear. Yep, yep, yep. Let me get that out. Let me try some new connections. Because I think that something else also is, it's easier to trust a connection you don't know that you're trying for the first time versus a connection that you know was already strained and has left you doubts. Um, like obviously the devil you know. Isn't that what people say? Isn't that explicitly what people say? Yeah, I know people say that,

but I feel like is in an all-star season of Survivor where it's only like 16 days. I don't think that holds the same power to me. Um, it's like, you know, the devil I know might be looking to stab me. The devil I don't know might be an angel in disguise. I don't know yet. So let me get to know.

Uh, and I think, you know, again, we're talking about like the top of the line players here who I'd like to think can read each other rather well or at least have a good understanding of how connections are in this game so I can I personally if I was Kirby I don't think I would want to cut Sarah here because I feel like again I'm putting too much power in other people's hands but me not being Kirby I support it I'm rooting for it and I'm rooting for Kirby because again Kirby gave us this alliance of four and for that I'm going to be forever grateful because that's worth everything.

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but it's like, firstly, far be it for me to criticize anything Kobe does, right? I don't know what she can pull off. I underestimate Kirby because I can't even imagine it. So that's the first thing I'm going to say. In terms of the devil you know and the devil you don't know, for Shawnee, like she actually does, like she knows, she really knows the devil in Sarah. Like, Sarah's been like actively gunning for Shawnee, and I feel like Shawnee also possibly has Kirby's a bit of a shield just based on the way that Kirby's been

playing. I kind of feel like it is a lot to break up the five. But if I see it for anyone, I see it for Shawnee, who now she's like, I'm not an idiot. I know Sarah's coming for me. I'm like, you didn't know for the first nine days of this game. Clearly, Kirby's told you. And at that point, like, Sierra is unworkable for Shawnee. I also love the running theme of Luke's sewing chaos through this whole season, but now it's like too much. He's like, no, no, put it back. I know, no, don't do that, but he did that. Like, he blew it up, which we can talk about for him as well. For Kirby, I'm more on the fence to maybe more against it. Like, again, going to Rock seems like a lot. I'm splitting them. Maybe couldn't have happened if you were actually

splitting them. I hope that's all making sense. But I don't know the devil that Sarah is for Kirby. Sarah is, I don't know how Sarah feels about Kirby. Like, she wanted to work with Kirby and then just felt like she had no agency. She kind of half said her name and Kirby's only hearing this conversation secondhand. She wasn't ever going for Kirby. She wanted her own agency with Kirby. She's still telling Kirby at the auction like, hey, there might be a clue in the popcorn there has been before, right?

That actually would be an iconic place to put it and it's usually in that big jar, as I think Shawnee would know. I think Shawnee got something like that. So she's giving her that information. Like, that's still a pretty good ally. and considering it's a number and then the other thing I think is that sometimes for me it's not about like

the personal ally like Tommy was doing a Q&A on Instagram so I was reading that and he was saying how like Rob Bentelay like he would say one thing and do another thing he would say he was against Dave and he was talking to Dave and the challenges like he couldn't get a read on him so he voted out Rob Bentley like for me it's like I don't care who Rob Bentley is really being

structurally you need Rob Bentley right it's about having that for I mean definitely for the challenges but beyond the challenges it's about the physical kind of structure and like at the point where Sarah is fully coming for Shawnee I'm more okay with it but like for Kirby like she's so out on Sarah maybe it's not about the kind of ally that Sarah is maybe it's about knowing that Sarah has no options unfortunately for Sarah she's been beaten socially by Kirby with every relationship with

Luke and Janine here with poverty is actually really upsetting for Sarah she doesn't have a lot of options so structurally you might need her even though she's not like the perfect ally for you. That's why I'm concerned about it. The reason why I'm more okay with it is because she would have to piss off all the worlds and all these possible connections to stay Australia strong. And then she's actually quite relying on Sarah. So unfortunately, it's not in the position where like we stay Australia strong now, but I'll go back to poverty and Surrey later when I have the upper hand in the numbers. Like, no, now you've lost your opportunity. Now you've pissed them off. Like, I don't think black widows are so forgiving. So then you're relying on

Sarah, who's someone you can't really trust. So all this to say is I see both sides, but I definitely see it more for Shawnee for not relying on Sarah, medium term and cutting off other options. And for Kirby, it's unfortunate because now I think actually structurally, if you look at it, what actually did happen was she lost a couple of allies and Luke and Janine to gain a couple of allies, but she actually doesn't have a majority. And I don't think she has anyone protecting her the same way Parvey and especially Surrey have.

I think she's a huge target. And I don't think that there are necessarily the numbers to save her. Like, I worry for Kirby tomorrow night. I would worry for Kirby as well. I think that for both the two sides of this group of four, if you look at it very, in a very foundational way of, okay, if we whittled down this other tribe and go back to our original tribe picture of R5,

where do we land? Kirby and Shawnee have to rely on Sarah now to lead them through that final five vote. That is not a necessarily 100% nailed decision. If you're Surrey and Parvity, same scenario. You're relying on most likely what, Lisa to get that vote through. And as much as you can feel good about it, you also know Lisa is a huge fan of yours

and probably recognizing that she can't sit at the end with you. So that's why the move is good. I do agree the four out of nine equals out. We've done this math before, folks. This is not new. That being said, it's only out if the other five are a five. And we don't know that yet. It sounds like Luke is going to bring that offer through because him and Janine are like

this. They are locked locked. I think the internationals look lock, locked. I still don't know where Lisa is in that entire thing. And I think that in the event that Lisa is in on that, I don't think Lisa is putting down Ceres name on parchment. I don't think that's happening at this time.

So I would worry that that does end up because if you're looking, junior, you're like, listen, I don't care. We cannot let one of us go. Let's tell them we cannot let one of them go. Let's take out one of these four. And yeah, if they say Kirby, we'll just give them Kirby because Kirby's not working with us anyway now. I could really see that happen. And what I will say, I don't think we're on route to a Australia pegging here. I don't think that's going to happen.

I feel like again, this vote only empowered me to feel like we're about to get. a lot of pendulums and blocks and marriages of convenience and I'm here for all of that I do agree but I think that there's so much mutual incentive for Luke and Janine to as he said go to Finland Quebec and wherever the other person is from

and for them to do the same thing because the thing is they don't have those other relationships so if you look at like why why do poverty and Surrey get their way here there's a few things like maybe it's because Lisa and Cass got their way yesterday maybe there's like you know and maybe that's more like Surrey just didn't care as much

about Tony, maybe generally you want, you know, poverty and Sari have power because they're freaking poverty and Sari as Lisa says, what does he say to Sari? She's like, what do you think? Because you're you. You know, I think there's always going to be that reverence, that power and balance. But the main thing is that they have leverage. They have another option now.

So either you have to go with that or you have to go around them. And I think that if Luke's presenting that to them next well, tomorrow night, they will go around. But I don't think they'll do it for their own allies. But the thing is that then they'll have the leverage with Luke. Be like, but we have. have this other option in poverty and serri whereas you've seen really out on kirby so that makes

kirby a really good target so it's an unfortunate position i'd never count kirby out ever i think that there were considerations here i mean i think that if you are going to serene poverty to try and break them to win on a five two three or whatever to try and like split that vote or to maybe to get them on a vote where you could play an idol that they don't all know about but like more to split that group you know that you are burying connections that you can't come back to. So either way, they knew they were going to make enemies. Like, you're either going to split that group and make enemies of poverty and Surrey, or you're going to choose them and make an enemy of Luke and Janine, which is unfortunate. If they were to just go to straight

rocks, not promise anyone anything and hope for relationships in the future, they have worse rock odds. Tommy's a mute. Actually, the World Tribe could have been pretty set. All but one person could have been almost Yer's v. Villain style, pretty set on their five in terms of how many idols they have and Tommy's am mute and one person would be voted for. So they could have actually been quite set there. So rocks don't look good and you're cutting into someone. Unfortunately, they've chosen now to cut into Luke and Janine. They've made some enemies. But then the other side, I'm being wishy-washy, but I'm just saying the other side of that is you stay with them, but now you're relying on Sarah. You have a majority of five. Now I think they have a minority

of four. That's my concern. You have a majority of five, but that five is with Sarah, which sucks for Shawnee and Kobe doesn't want either. So I think it's a tough spot, but I really worry for Kirby in this position. Yeah, I think Kirby is the one I'm most worried for, especially when you factor in the fact that Kirby doesn't have an idol right now. We obviously don't know what the immunity is going to look like. Maybe an immunity necklace could come, couldn't come out a better time. But I think looking ahead, for Luke and Janine, this makes the most sense.

You go to those three and say, hey, were you blindsided because we were blindsided. You were blindsided. Okay, cool. We're also on the same page. They went blind. But you can get your way. Like, we're all hard done by. They made a full of data.

I don't like that. So I think they can link up and I think they could look at taking one of these pieces out and then I think what happens is, again, you whittled down the numbers and if you're looking genuine, you're like, well, we can't get to the five with these three. They'll just pick us off next. So then they're looking to hop.

Meanwhile, on the other side of an eight, you see these three want to hop. So I think that a lot of combinations could happen. But as far as who looks to be the most in danger, I think right now, I would give the, if we're putting points on it, worried for Kirby number one. Also, in the next time on,

they repeated the same confessional that we got from Parvety where Parvety calls her the Black Mamba. So I saw that happening on the next time. I'm like, what is this? What do you mean by this? Are you hinting that we got to be reminded that she is the top dog because that's what it sounds like. So to me, I'm most worried for Kirby.

That being said, if Kirby is safe somehow, right? Let's say immunity. Are you then worried for Shawnee next? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because Lisa's like, they're making that decision again with the leverage they would have over Luke and we're all just like future faking at this point.

But like they're not doing Surrey. Definitely not. So three is the most okay of that alliance of four. Poverty next. Then I think Shawnee Kirby. Now the other option is of course that the seven who I think technically split this vote just do split a vote on Luke and Janine

and Luke plays his idol and Janine goes home but I think that's very passive for the worlds who have been pushed and I think a big theme in the season has been allies being pushed past their comfort and we'll talk about Sarah Swan Song here unfortunately but then trying to take agency back we have these big players who do not want to be porn so it's such an interesting theme of the season

where these like leaders are used to working with maybe more passive players who are pawns and that doesn't exist here So it's like, no, do my bidding. It's like, actually, no, but now I want to turn to do the bidding. It's like, no, you can't have that. Well, now I'm flipping. And I think that it would be, especially when we already have Cass saying, like,

she trusts poverty less, and we know that they didn't want to do this, and they're talking in tribal council. And Surrey has already said that it could have upset them to go with these relationships. I think they should be very concerned about where Kirby and Shawnee sit with Parvey and Surrey. I think that nine is a huge vote. I think letting that four get to eight gives Parvey and Surrey all the power. And I don't want to take some of that power back, not by voting out Parvite and Surrey, but by voting out their new friends that they're trying to replace me with.

You know, like, that doesn't feel good. So that's why it just seems so, especially seeing Luke State in the next time on, but it just seems so logical for, again, good active players to do that. And I don't know how they protect against that. But it will really be on, I guess, Parvety and Surrey being like, no, no, no, we're the five. Us and the world, or at least the four of us are the real, like, women's alliance. Like, this is so interesting. It's like, which women's are?

There's so many different women's alliances now, which one is true. We're the real four, Cass Lisa, Harvey and Surrey. We just need to get it down and then we'll choose you over Kirby and Chonnie, but it just gives so much power to them. I feel like I'd rather make that decision myself and then be like, tit for tat, and now we're in voting blocks and we can kind of pick up these pieces and see where we go from here. So that's where I think it will go.

I'd love to talk about Luke and Janine in this because, again, Luke blew it up, right? And Chappelle and I were quite high on the move. We didn't hate it that they went and blew it up. I was thinking because we thought at the time you don't let the game come to you you take it in your own hands I thought if you go back to tribal council

and Sarah says actually no now it looks more desperate to come and be like oh Sarah was working against you was like was she or are you saying that Luke and Janine because you're on the back foot by doing this you kind of assured them to get through to emerge that they would actually have the power if they went back to just like a pre-merged tribal council where Sarah isn't

immune which was hard to foresee but it wasn't is good for a merge. This is the issue. It's like coming in at a perfect 5-5 when you've blown it up and do actually have the great relationships. Like Luke actually is pretty central. Like he can work he thinks with Shawnee. He's trying to work with Kirby. Sarah's coming to him and he's really close with Janine. So this five is actually great for Luke, not to mention it would protect him. And now the five is blown up. Again, great for the pre-merge when you're going to need to win a vote. Bad for a merge when the five are trying to stick together. So how do you kind of look at

Luke and Janine's part in this where they really did work to explode it. And now it exploded and they're actually left like with the shrapnel. Hmm. Yeah, I don't know. It's tough because I feel like the steps that took to this place

that took us here, Shannon, they didn't like they happened for okay. So it's like, you know how sometimes it's like, oh, I told this person this. but I told them this for this situation and I was coming up for a different situation. That's kind of how it felt to me, right? It was like, this came up because in the event that we go back to tribal, the five of us, we are on the house, we can't have that.

We have a little bit of information. Let's put it out there. Let's have the tide shift here. And then it was like, oh, but none of us are leaving. Oh, cool. Okay. That's fine. Let's all work together.

Then yeah. And someone's like, no, we're doing the thing you said initially. And I was like, well, why are we doing that now? The landscape has changed. We are final 10. We are merged. We're a one tribe. We do not need it.

We need the upper hand. So it's tough, but also it's like, like you said, like, what are they going to do? Wait until the last second to say something in case they're at tribal, in case they're the ones voting somebody out. Because that's just a very hard story to sell with five minutes to go before a vote. Yeah. It was so unfortunate. I do enjoy Luke in the underdog role, which he often has had in his survivor career and

has had a lot of it here. And I do think it's really fun. But yeah, it was like, well, that was. important yesterday. And it's unfortunate because had Sarah lost the file, Sarah had never been immune, say they just do go to that tribal count. If the first immunity challenge was just a full tribal immunity, that the Australians clearly lost and they go back to tribal council. Then it was the right move. Right. Then they take out Sarah. They've planned ahead. They come down, they come to the merge down in numbers anyway so that

unity, well, A, would be fine because they've taken out Sarah. And B, is not even the thing because they would be down in numbers. They'd have to find new numbers in the world. They would all be doing this. Yeah. And that's, if they were a four coming in, to the final 10 they would be doing the exact same thing Kirby and Shawnee did now but they would have done it

proactively they wouldn't have waited in the wings and thought no no no no let's keep our five I feel like there would have been definitely a lot more movement so it's almost like they should have well they should have lost firemaking that would have helped

but I don't think it would have necessarily helped no it wouldn't have because then they would have had to vote out to Shawnee but the point where Sarah loses wins immunity that's really wrecked the plan and then also Sarah got them to not even go to tribal council they come in as this like fractured

five, which is terrible, it would almost be better to come into the United Four and, like, try, pull a Tony or, like, see where that is. And maybe try, yeah, actually, like, I think at that point, maybe you do take a shot at the actual worlds and you try and pull poverty and surreal. Maybe you even take a shot at Tony and everyone's like, okay with it and get the numbers. Like, anyway, that would be a very different world. But I'm just saying that it made sense at the time, but then everything changed. And they came in as a spot five that needed to be united.

The chaos was sewn way too well. So it's an unfortunate spot. but I do think that there is potential here for them. What did you think about Luke sending poverty back to Cam? Which I feel like he immediately knew. Like I feel, but then you can't not do it because then you've just done two people, right? Like that. And that's a terrible thing to buy for $500.

Like, absolutely. Like it's not even like, and you get their money, right? It was just send the back. Usually it's like send the back to Cam and get their money. He just paid all his money to piss someone off. which was so unfortunate and I know that hindsight's 20-20 and like

but I do think you should be thinking someone's going back to a beach I would like someone that I trust to know what's going on there clearly it's easy to say that once we know about the cookie idol and the cookie idol stealer and everything but at the time I would

you don't want to annoy anyone what could you send yourself I wanted him to send himself I'm not sure if he could I was thinking if not himself and Janine because she should understand and should go cover it

I don't know if he could send himself. And also he has no money. So what's the point of being there? The other person I thought would be Tommy. Because at least Tommy doesn't have money. That's exactly what I thought. Yes. That would have been the diplomatic choice was to send Tommy.

Sorry, man, you lost. I'm saving you. Don't look at all this food. And I'm also going to piss anybody off. He would understand that, right? Surely or at least you're hoping. But the Janine answer is if he knows, and by the way,

just so you know, there might be something on the beach ready for the person who you kicked out. So I think Parviti is a wild choice to make here. terrible because that was the worst choice you're number 10 of 10 yeah it's like you're immediately putting this person on notice but also I feel like and and we don't know a lot of the dynamics we'll find out maybe later on but like you gotta imagine parvety assumes that hey Luke knows David and parvety went on dealer no deal island like Sarah knew so yeah if Sarah knew I'm assuming Luke so then yeah Luke doing this what are you saying are you saying that oh you know

I don't mess with you. Because I don't know if you can spin this to positive, especially when part of it he hit him with the, I'm going to count down from five. And if you do not change your mind is over. I feel like he made the right choice then to not switch up on her. I think the damage was done. But I think that reaction should have given him all he needs to know

that this was indeed the wrong choice to make. Yeah, it was so bad. It was the worst possible first impression. You only get one shot at a first impression, Luke. And I feel like this was, I don't know if he just, like, in his mind was like, poverty is the biggest name, poverty. You know, I felt like no thought went into, okay, how do I, at the very least, not upset someone versus also there might be something that. It's not that you know that there's going to be an idol steal. It's not that you know that there are going to be cookies.

It's just more like you're sending someone to a space that you have no eyes on. So I think send someone you trust or Tommy is at least diplomatic. I definitely would have been asking about myself, not sure if that was available. well, it probably wasn't because it's a bit of cop-out. But yeah, Janine or Tommy. Did Janine even buy anything in the end? Like, yeah, you guys feel like, Janine's fine.

She doesn't need $500. She's got many, many more dollars than that. So, and Janine's such a warrior. Like, look at her in the water. Like, she would get it. I feel like she's not going to be upset about that. And she's not, like, such a huge fan where, like, Lisa's crying that they've made the merge.

And Tommy's like, my first auction. She, like, doesn't need the auction. Like, I think she'd totally get it. So I think there were good options for not a great clue. another another well it seems like not a great clue maybe that should have been a clue in and of itself it's like you've bought money for this terrible thing you have the power to give someone power like maybe again we're saying that because we know that it ended up being really powerful but if used well we could have really gotten something out of this like imagine if he and jeanine do get the idol stealer anyway wasn't played great by luke but i do wonder as well with him and kirby Kirby does try to bring him in and then just straight up leaves him out when he's like no. It's a very different

and interesting dynamic compared to Surrey and the world. They go along with it under duress and Luke just says no and then not only is left out but his partner is actively split on. So I wonder if they can come back. I wonder

if Kirby will say like I try to loop you in but it really seems like they are done. So it's the enemy making for Kirby but that's Yeah, just I can't be more concerned, really. It's not a good spot to be in. Because again, you got to imagine there's a lot of eyes on Kirby now more than even before because the world eyes were already on Kirby.

Two of them admirably enough where they want to work with Kirby. And then now two Australians who thought, hey, we're going to keep Australia strong. And I'm like, oh, and Kirby's an op. So really outside of Shawnee, I feel like, because even I would argue, Surrey and Parv, they just had their fun here. They got to work with Kirby. They might be like, you know what? It terrifies me.

I mean, Parvety does say that Kirby not being scared of her as an aphrodisi. Like, she likes that. So everyone else, though, I think Kirby is on the radar. If you didn't know now, you know. Which also, let's talk about how amazing it is. Kirby needs her flowers here. Where Kirby's run on the show was about a year old at this point when they flew out, maybe less than a year, a little over a year.

I have six months. that is amazing to be recognized by so many legends as a legend in your own right I love that yeah and also like people say that they assume that Sarah and Kirby were pre-gaming because how could they be so close?

I honestly have no idea even if that's true David's whole game was a pre-game not even on purpose you know like he just knows all of these people you cannot compare any potential conversations Kobe had before the game which I don't even know if it's true

actually can't even really imagine Kirby be doing it. But even if that's the case, these people saw her on screen for the first time months ago. Like, it's so impressive what she has done. I will say the one thing that's very interesting. And this is where I don't know, like, who do poverty and Surrey choose between their options if they get a choice between Kirby and Shawnee and the international women? Because Surrey says the internationals are her priority and that's why she tries to bring them in. But then, of course, that's not the way the vote goes. If the internationals were the priority, I feel like maybe that's poverty having the leverage there, but maybe it's true for

but that the vote goes differently, and they do what the internationals want and don't make them vulnerable and don't, you know, choose these new relationships to make them vulnerable. But then we also have to think about the fact that this is kind of a knock against Kirby and Shawnee. Pardy's lying to them. Poverty is pulling a Russell and saying, I'm actually at the bottom. It's very funny, the way that might come back around, the way Russell used to say I'm at the bottom of an all girl's alive. Pavity says it was her or Tony, like she's not in this at all. She's lying about the dynamics. They haven't told them I think about how close they are with the world,

which, if anything, actually should protect Kirby and Johnny. Like, they should be like, okay, that's good. We're not in a four. We're in a seven. That's good in nine. I mean, you don't want to be in a four. But I don't know if they know that there's so much of a push and pull at least with Surrey in these relationships

because poverty has lied about it. All the credit to poverty for that. But it does really make these new relationships, which so much was risk for here be very, very interesting to me. Yeah. I, you know how... we said this was a net positive on parvis side i feel like lisa also benefits greatly from everything that's gone down here i just like think of every person right now i think lisa's the

safest person um arguably on that island um for the internationals not going after her i don't think surrey or parr were going after her i don't think shawnee or kirby are looking at her and i think jeanine and luke need her so i think for the lisa great play great spot that being said um i love the part of me because it's a half-truth. She was the other name explored by the person who got voted out. She has been on blast. But also, she had two big blowout

arguments with both the eliminated people on the way out. So she's not wrong. She was under fire. She had eyes on her because she was in the middle of the drama, even though it was one person. But also, the funniest thing continues to be, she keeps getting all the argument,

and then Surrey gets the votes. That's the funniest thing to me. so I mean and the thing is though at this point if that comes up right if they're like wait so parvity isn't on the bottom was too late you already made the bed now you already made the bed is made you're in you're in this situation because that I would even argue to think okay maybe they're mad at parv maybe a move on parf can happen more than a move on me like you got you got you got to stay par for the course at that point part for the course well I think that you're right and that it's it's a good lie because it's a half truth like she is getting heat so he's getting

votes, which is rude, by the way. So he comes in with, what, nine survivor votes ever and has now already had another two. Not cool. But I think that what you're saying is correct. Because the main thing that she's lying about is her closeness with the women, that she has this other women's alliance, that Kirby and Shawnee aren't the only women's alliance for her that she's like, got two women's alliances. She's like, this is like poverty on steroids.

It's like, you know, one woman's alliance is good. I'm two separate. I'm like, you know, really like double-timing these women's alliances. But that's not that. tangible like the things that are tangible is that she was getting heat and then surrey gets votes and splits or whatever poverty was immune the second time but would get heat and she said like i had the necklace but otherwise i would have gone home not true but tony was trying it um that part is maybe the most you know tangible lie because she wasn't going to go home but if it's like

oh you didn't tell me that you had these relationships it's like those relationships that meant nothing to me, you know, like, oh, so Lisa's trying to use that against me, or Cass is trying to use that, like, oh, so she told you that, I don't know how Cass would suss that out, but like, she told you she was at the bottom note, we had this relationship, it's like, that's what they thought. That's not how I thought. You know, I always thought that I was under fire. I was getting all this heat, and I never trusted them. So it's vague enough that it might be okay. But I am impressed with her because she comes in from the beginning. It was very Russell-like. It was hilariously villain Russell-like, I thought, to come in

kind of paint. Rossell's was extreme. Russell was like praying to J.T. And there's a women's alliance and everything. But she kind of did a little bit of that. And I thought that was very interesting. Yeah, I think that it's going to, it's a very believable lie also. I mean, Parvitt is truly the biggest name

to come out of that grouping. Of course, you're going to look at her. That all makes sense to me. I think part of it also, to, you know, further say why I think Parvin, Surrey made an understandable move. Just think about that tribal that happened right before this one, right? Where the international, the world, got up and just went to the side, had a side combo.

Sarri wasn't invited to come. Sarri put herself in the comments. He said, I'm going to go see what's going on over here and went. By the time Parv gets up to go there, they sit back down. Like if I'm those two, I'm recognizing they want to hold on to Tommy longer than they intend on. Tommy is not just a temporary keep. Tommy was up by any means necessary he must stay here choice

which means that we are on the outs in this five it's just that's exactly the case that it's going to be the four isn't as strong as the three within it within the five Yeah I think it's a very fun theme of the season and I think it's amazing that they've created themes five episodes in like it feels like we've really lived lives with these long episodes and I don't know

what the confessual chart is right now obviously but I feel like I have a really good sense of everyone in the edit And I think you have these themes of not just alliances, but these intricate alliances with these competing interests, you know, with the international women's alliance, you know, are they more, was it more Tommy or like, are Cass and Lisa more aligned with Tommy or with Serene Poverty? Now are Serene Poverty more aligned with them? Or were Shawnee and Kirby? With Sarah and Kirby, there was the Shawnee aspect, there was the David aspect.

Like there's all of these competing interests. And then it becomes pushing people past their point of comfort. and when do people break and how much agency do players who have been used to agency because they've controlled the whole seasons, how much can they accept not having? How much do they insist upon

and then make themselves a problem? Someone like Rob Bentley and they get voted out. So I'm really liking a lot of those themes and I think that it's well edited and I also think that it's because we have these types of players who are playing in this insane arena where everyone, as you said,

is technically a titan, even though technically we have no titans on the cast. Um, so I'm really enjoying it. I think that yeah, it's just, it's really, really fun. I loved Mortich as the, um, Moist tribe name, getting an indigenous Australian name in there just feels right as well and like, harking back to that and Kobe, go with great representation on that as well. Like, there was just so much good stuff here.

Just loved it. Do you have anything else before we get to the, the Chizzy? Nope. And my favorite number is five and this was a great episode five. That's true. I have actually one thing. Um, did you see this? And I'm meant to say on the.

podcast with Chappelle and then I forgot. Did you see Lisa's pregame stuff? There was an article making the rounds about this. No. I wanted to bring it to the people that she, before the season, she got a friend of her. So I actually met at the Premier Party

because Lisa brought him as a guest, Henry, to make a video about her because he's a survivor YouTuber. And he kind of made a video about how her win was bad and how the Dave Matt thing like ruined the season and it doesn't count. So we made a whole video like discrediting her win. And then people in the, the comments would be defending Lisa. Like, no, that actually makes a win better.

It's crazy that she turned friends against each other. And she made up a fake account. And she was, like, arguing with her own fans, being like, no, Lisa sucks. Didn't count. Doesn't count as a win. So that is insane. Like, Lisa and I really are in spirit, because she's crazy like me. She's like, that's next level.

But I'm also concerned for Lisa that she's doing this too well because now, like, Luke calls her small fry. Like, they're all threats. Like, again, no one are pawns, but I don't want Lisa to get. that perception. She's playing very well, so you don't want that. It's sad because it's like, I'm sorry. She is a winner of her respective season. You can't say the same, Luke. And in all real respect, you're a good player, but like, you didn't win yours. She won

hers. Famously, I think I've said this before. Well, Leon and I, back in the day, we used to do me and her draft for the international seasons before we start watching them together and for two seasons back to back South Africa and New Zealand the winner of that season was the last pick in the draft Lisa was pick number last um so huh and Tom yeah yeah they were the last few picks Tom was fair yeah yeah well also we didn't do like deep jobs on bios or

anything like that it was just first impression off like you know yeah um but I think that Lee again I you know calling Lisa small fry or whatever okay well Lisa is the safest person on the island what are you going to do about that and now you need Lisa so a small fry just maybe became the one in charge you know what I mean like I feel like and I feel like the thing is for Lisa she's clearly a decorated player in our eyes but is also the one we're all vicariously living this season through she is the ultimate super fan who gets her own win under her own belt and comes back as a legend but maybe is like I'm a legend among these people like this is what this is like I like

melted into the TV and I'm just part of the season now like she's like she has the best front row seat a fan could want but also should recognize you are a damn champion yourself you are this this could be your win it's right there available for the taking um but I think that I don't think it's over. I don't think it's over for Lisa by a long shot. I don't think Lisa's going anywhere. You know, we talked a lot about Kirby being in danger tomorrow. I think if we ranked everybody's

likelihood of leaving tomorrow, I would put Lisa 9th out of 9. Yeah, that is true. I mean, I feel good about Surrey because I feel, but I feel like the Surrey is protected by Lisa. Like, that's Lisa's power. We have to say that. So I completely agree with you, but let's talk about some of these people in the chisie.

Take away Jacob Saga, Weinstein and M.C. One, two, three. One, one, three, one, two, one, two, three, it's getting, it's getting, it's getting, it's getting kind of chizzy. Three, two, one. I said the chizzy, I regret saying the chizzy. We haven't spoken about Sarah, and I don't think we're going to speak about it in the chizzy. Should we do a bit of a eulogy for Sarah who was great TV through the season? It did not go well.

I think that no one could say it better than she did in her final word. She was like, I messed up. I would have gone with Dave. I should have David. Yeah. and like Sarah I want to say I think has more grace and self-awareness than almost any survivor player

like the fact that she can say that in her final words you have other people who are like it was everyone else like no names but we were all thinking of people maybe some of the people from last week Sarah's like I've looked internally at the issue here and I think that Sarah's game was off kilter

from the beginning in this relationship with Kirby that was not it like she wanted to work with Kirby so much but the interests were just not aligned and yeah if she goes with David I mean, it's crazy to think how different the season looks. It's so, so different. And I think that was the comfortable alliance where I think she was in an uncomfortable alliance

from the get-go and her game was uncomfortable the whole time. It was off kilter. She was trying to work around it. How does she get agency with Kirby? Like that one relationship caused her to vote out her other number one ally and Dave, never ever take out her target in Shawnee. And then is the thing that turned on her here. Like it was her demise in every possible sense of the word at every single single.

stage of her game. Yeah, I think that if she votes out David and then just like fully is invested all in on this Kirby thing, I don't think we're sitting here. I think the problem was she got paranoid over Shawnee's relationship with Kirby and said, no, no, no, that needs to go. I gave Kirby my one. She needs to give me, I gave her her one. She just gave me my one and get rid of Shawnee for me.

That didn't happen. Then she starts thinking, I don't know if she has my best interest in mind. then she leaks that thought over and then that gets used against her now here she is. So I understood wanting to not because sometimes, okay, so I'm going to use an analogy that may not make sense, but I'll try to explain it. So when I got accepted to university to go to Canada, I had two options in front of me, Shannon. One was a university in Toronto.

One was a university in Ottawa. I had friends who had moved to Toronto that year. Like for university, a semester before me. So I was like, if I go there, that's built in relationships, ready. I can, it'll be probably easier. But I went to Ottawa instead. And the reason I did that was because I didn't want to be in the shadow of someone else's story. If people have already built and set things up, yeah.

If people have already built friendships there and I go there and now I'm the tag along friend who then ends up in their ecosystem, I'm not going out of my own. I'm not spreading my own wings. I'm not trying. I'm kind of taking the safer route. I went to Ottawa and I did my own thing and I was happier for it. I feel like Sarah waited too long to come back to just become the plus one to someone else's reign. And I think she did not want that. She tried something different.

Regrets it, but I'm happy that she tried something different because it's so easy to go safe route and then, you know, end up not winning or end up not being as prevalent. Five episodes in, I'm safe to say Sarah was a pivotal part of the. story this season. So that's something to go home with. True, but she didn't, she couldn't get her way for one second. Like, I think your analogy makes sense to me because I would have gone to Toronto. Yeah, I think that life is scary enough. You do the safe thing. You go to your friends. You're like, I love safety. I love cozy warm safety. Like she had such a comfortable alliance, not just David, but Luke, I don't know how she feels about Janine, but she was telling Janine for David to play the idols. So like, that's what we

saw preseason, because it just made sense. Sometimes things make sense for a reason And she did, she went hard She was like, I'm going to go with Kirby I'm going to do this other thing But it was just Kirby And even that was like This uncomfortable relationship

And it wasn't like Kirby and Shawnee That's my new comfortable thing Again, I'm okay with that She was choosing like one person But she wasn't with the other Like it was so uncomfortable Be comfortable You know like sure take shots

But I think they do have to come From a degree of comfort I think you have to have this basis Which is like I'm here, I'm comfortable I can like see where I am in front of me and now I'm going to take a shot.

Like if you start off kilter, like you can't get to your destination because the bridge is so wobbly. Now there are so many analogies. And I think that's the thing. That's why I think she says that she'd go with David. Look, she could never have seen that the Kirby relationship would go as poorly as it did.

Right. Couldn't have gone worse. He could not have gone worse. I feel really bad for Sarah because I love Sarah and I think that she would be so excited to me, Pav. You could see she'd be so excited. excited and then part of just immediately voted her out like kirby just just just just kirby's kirby and

she got one better on all these relationships on on luke who to be fair they both know but you know she she she wins that way she like sarah comes to luke and instead of taking it luke's like not and he goes back to kirby you know that's a long-term friend an old ally and relationship that she had poverty who she would you know who she's watched kirby and shonnie haven't watched poverty. They might be following her on Instagram, but like she would be fan-girling hard. She's like a similar age to me. She watched she watched poverty in the golden age of poverty. I know she did. And she and she played Survivor at a similar age as when Parvety started playing Survivor. Like she looks up to poverty and it said poverty chooses

Kirby. Like all of these things I think would be cutely painful. And I just, I feel, I feel sad that that's the way that it went. But I do think you can see because she was just, I don't think she was comfortable for even one second. Go to Toronto. That's it. Be comfortable, be warm, be safe, and then make moves. And that's how I feel, but I just feel bad for Sarah. Yeah, I just think that, and this is more of a personal thing, I think too many situations in my, like I know myself, I'm a big, what if I had done the other thing person, a lot.

And I feel like the safe thing is the familiar thing, which then means the unknown is what I'm always going to what if. So by going to the unknown, that means that I, at the very, at the very, Very worst case scenario, I should have gone with the safe bet, but that's fine. That I already knew what I was going to look like. I don't know what the unknown is. And you never know, unknown could be good. And mind you, if I did not go to Ottawa, if I did not go down that trajectory, I genuinely

I'm telling you this, I would not be where I am right now. I would not be podcasting. I would not be in this realm. I would not be married to who I'm married to. Like, I would not be here, simple as. Yeah. Although I will say by the end of this season, you will not be married to who you're married to because I don't, you're looking bad in the draft, Janet.

I'm not looking good. You can make me leave my husband. See, it's going to exor. Who do I have? Did I have Tony? Damn it. Not a good week for me.

And I had Sarah. And Kirby? I'm really concerned about Kirby. Oh, God. I was going to talk about my marriage. I was going to say that, like, not that it was safe. And, like, we were long distance and everything.

But, like, I've been with Peter since I was 20 years old. Never for one second have I thought, like, what did I miss? You know? Not for one second. Right. It's wonderful.

It's not that, and I don't want to say it's safe. because that's, that's like, that's minimizing how incredible my marriage is. But like, I've never thought like, no, this is too good. You know, this is like good and safe and makes me feel so happy. What else is out there? Let me do a scarier thing than that, you know? Like, I don't, I don't think that I've never felt the need to like live abroad or like,

oh, I did move around a lot as a kid. I'm now getting really psychological. I just think that I like being in my apartment, my husband and my cats. And that and the feeling that. a lie should give you, should give you a similar feeling to that. Is that fair? Well, the comfort? Yeah.

But also, we're going to keep going on analogies. Okay, so when I take a trip with Leanna to like a place where we know people, right? We know family and stuff. The tendency is, well, we hang out all the time. So let's hang out with these people that we're going to see for like five days. And then we keep hanging out after that. And I feel like I kind of resonate with the idea of like, yeah, we're going to see. each other all the time.

So let's do this thing for these couple of days. Then go back. If you're Sarah, it's been many years since you've been playing this game. You know some people. Mingle. Find the new people. See what's going on there.

Become your own person. Don't live under someone else's shadow. No. Find something that feels good. You just lock in. You just lock in. And then you're never uncomfortable because being uncomfortable is terrible. Well,

to be clear, I'm saying I understood why she made that decision, but she has it. admitted, she should have stayed with David. So I'm not advocating that she made the right call. I'm saying I understand the call that was made. Yeah, well, we'll see. If I have to leave my marriage and then I'm going to have to,

then I'll be uncomfortable. If I have to get divorced based on the draft, just not what I want. I thought it was also funny how. The recap bitches will have a council. We'll talk about it. We'll see what we do if it comes to that. We'll see.

Who do I have? Kirby could win. I'm worried for her, but I never count Kirby out. You have, you have everyone that's Australian that's left except for Shawnee. Do I have three people? And Tommy. You have Tommy as well.

Oh, that isn't great. Anyway, I thought it was funny how it was like, well, who is the one that wants to take out the big players? Like, that was the thing that Parvite and so you were trying to find. It was like, this is so funny because it's not binary. Like Sarah's like, Kobe wants to take out the big player. She took out David. It's like, yeah, David's a huge player.

But then it's like, well, she wants to take out me. I'm Kobe. I'm a big player. It's like, yeah. she wants to take out Shawnee everyone's a big player do you know what I mean and not only do you have you both wanted at separate times to take out different big players that work for your games

you both really do want to work with poverty like this isn't actually a concern for poverty and sorry because you actually are both all in on this and it's not this binary thing but they were like we just have to crack the code of who actually wants to take out the big players it's like this isn't anything just who you want to work with for Sarah poor Sarah well she's in Europe she's okay

good I think that's the thing with the tight rope that is people walking through this like who is a threat who is not a threat who is a big name that's going to be that's being targeted who's a smaller name that's targeting bigger names it's so incredibly subjective

again you have people calling Lisa small fries Lisa is legitimately one of how many winners left on the season right now two two no two one of two

Yeah. Her and Parv, who else is one? Yeah. Hold on. Let me not say that and then someone else has one. That is it. No, one of two. Yeah.

So it's so incredibly subjective. It means nothing. Name record. And that's the thing, right, is that the U.S. season, because of how it kind of was the grandfather to a lot of these other seasons is seen as the legend tier players when they're coming out here. And, you know, Harvard has been on four seasons. Other shows, Ceri's been on many seasons, many shows. Like, then it's different. Like, I understand why they might be seen as more celebrity status amongst the folks here.

Yeah. But I think for the, again, look at the cast they put together. Who had the worst placement in this cast? Sarah. Like, of the people remaining at this. It was Sarah, right? Sarah had the worst best placement. Yeah.

Right. So, y'all need to stop this comparing none. Like, all of you were. our friends to win this thing, right? Like, come on. Yeah. We played the Chisky theme song so long ago. I'm happy to give my points.

I'll give three to Poverty. Yeah, let's go for it. Yeah, Poverty will get three points. Obviously, cookies and the idol stealer and everything. She should be the biggest target. Instead, she's the one everyone wants to work with, that Poverty aura is elite. And I think this is the best for her. I went back and forth on kind of like Pavity and Surrey because I do love the way that

Surrey manages the alliance. and the way she'll come to the world and she just has such a beautiful like touch with her relationships but I think that it's better for poverty than Surrey to make this move like I was a little concerned because Cass is saying she has doubts about poverty but then this is this cuts into Surrey's investment with the world and chooses new allies who want to work with poverty specifically in investing Kirby and Shawnee so I think that's best for poverty I'm giving her three points for that and she's also doing a bit of the line as we've seen to kind of set up those new structures I will give two points to Surrey

who's also in power there and I think in that good group people want to work with her and again is so great at alliance management I will say sorry she said Russell style in an episode that really

summoned Russell she said I don't even like things from Australia and I said oh well technically I'm from South Africa and then Peter said yeah

she really loved Rob and I was like this is why we're getting divorced this is why it's not about the draft um so sorry don't lead with any of that when the interview happens

that's all I'm saying a reconcilable differences what did he say he implied sorry he wouldn't like me okay so yeah actually what I said was divorce and then he said behead and then I said ah you can stay all our musical fans

all our six musical fans will understand that one um I'll give a point to Shawnee um yeah I feel like the Wells lose out. I'd love to give them points tomorrow if they come back from it. Obviously, Luke and Janine, not in a good spot

there. And Kirby, I'm on a tie on it. I understand more for Shawnee. It's a lot to split Australian survivor, but they want to work with her. And Sarah did not. So I do get it. I think that she also has a good shield in Kirby and I think Kirby pissed off more people to do this. So I'm giving a point to Shawnee.

What are your points? Once again, we found ourselves at the exact same first and second spot with the threes and the two. um parv does get the three again um the the threat level is high but also so are the accolades so are the trinkets she now has two trinkets um ready to go she would have had hella trinkets in the form of cookies but that glass jar took itself out of the equation and she had to bury it alive including the shovel which by the way i wonder if that show is ever going to get found that would be very fun if that does happen um check off shovel so that's an Huh? Chekhov. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

And then Surrey gets the two. I think that Surrey, again, socially is in such a great spot. I'm not concerned for her. I don't think anyone's going to be looking her way like that. I think this group of four benefits her also because I think Herbie will be looked out

a lot sooner than her. I think Parvety will remain to be seen as a target before her. So she is easy number two there. Um, my one, I understand going for Shawnee there. Um, however, I feel like I've advocated for this person, this episode very strongly. And I would say that you have not burned any of your OG alliance by voting the way you did. You have not burned, you have not burned, you have not burned Surrey nor Parvety by doing what you did. And you, you are seen as not that big of a

target to the two people that are about to pull up to you and ask you to vote with them moving forward. So they're not going to put your name down. Lisa, get you a point. That's fair. I think it's very fair. Donate to the chizzy raffle. We have all of that information in the show notes. I posted that on social media. That's to Forever Rescue, which is, yeah, creating homes, forever homes for cats in Sydney. We've already raised quite a bit of money. So really excited by the way that's going. Maybe we would steal the points of either me or the recap bitches in the finale podcast. And I will say, I don't have the charts in front of me, but I feel like a lot of different people are getting points. It might be very close. You might decide who wins

the Chizzy. So the stakes couldn't be higher. And that's it. I will have an excellent interview with Sarah, who will kindly be calling in from Europe, which we really appreciate. I will have already done an ex-interview with Tony, which blows my mind. And then tomorrow night we have Mike, and then we'll have the show with Rob. We had the show with Chappelle yesterday. I hope you're checking all of that out. We know global survivor.com. Follow me. at Jenny Gates where I post all of that. Puyah, what's going on with you? I can be found on all socials at Puyasm,

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