RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor AU: Australia V World Ep 6 Recap

Episode Date: August 26, 2025

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Here to talk about episode six. It hurts my heart that were more than halfway through the season. It doesn't feel right. But it's been a lot, honestly. Like, whoever gets the win, I know we had questions about that, I feel like they've earned it because it's crazy to think they've only been to four tribal councils each. It feels like we've lived lives.

And this episode was a lot. To talk about it, I have Mr. Tuesday. He is the, not the Kirby to my friend. poverty. Let's not do that. Surrey and poverty are not having made me, you know, maybe it leaves it to my Ceree again. It leaves it to my cast. It's a great my bloom. My thank you for being here.

Let's do the cast to my endurance challenges. That seems to be the most solid pair in this season so far. Mr. Tuesday, I love this nickname. This sounds like a steeless DC supervillain. That's true. I had to, I'm like, I'm like, what days? But, yeah, I, um,

I couldn't give it blank to my blank because all of the pairings are so messed up. Let's talk about this episode because what just happened? This is why we can't have a nice thing, Shannon. We had the Survivor Twitter-coded Alliance Black Widow Brigade 3.0.

Can't believe we were in a season where there were two Black Widow Brigade alliances happening simultaneously. But as Robert Frost once said, nothing gold can stay. We got rid of the golden god, so it only makes sense that the gold loses its value in this particular episode as, yeah, you have Harvety and Kirby, obviously, being the main breakup. You have Surrey and Parvety being in sort of different directions. Obviously, Shawnee is going to break off from that group entirely and vote against Surrey.

I mean, again, this is why I like being Mr. Tuesday, I suppose, is that we can talk about the entire week as a whole. And what a fun, as much as I don't like the three-episode-a-week schedule for this particular season because it feels like we're flying through it so fast, we do get a nice self-contained narrative where you have Kirby and Parvety next to each other at that endurance challenge in episode four, being like, okay, I was eyeing you across the bar, you're the one I want to work with you. We finally see it come to fruition in episode five, and then it breaks apart all too soon in episode six. You know, you love fast, you love hard. Things tend to move pretty quickly in that regard.

Yeah, it's like if everyone's a Black Widder Brigade, no one's a Black Widow Brigade. You know, if it's an all-women's-aligned and it's all women in the season, then it becomes irrelevant. Like, and it's hard because you can't be the loop to my Janine because they voted in different directions. I still have questions about that. You can't be the Kirby to my Shawnee because Shawnee turned, I think, seemingly on Kirby before Surrey was the name that was put out there.

This was hard because coming out of the murder, it was complicated in that we had voting blocks, right? We had Luke and Janine, we had Shawnee and Kirby, they were Parvini and Surrey, and we had the internationals. I kind of end up pulling the internationals the world, even though, yeah, but anyway, to be easy, they're the world. Three of those four groups are in strife at best. Luke and Janine divided and conquered too well.

Too much division. In what world is Luke not on the Janine voting with Janine? Then Parvety and Surrey continued what we said was the theme of the season yesterday in allies with misaligned interests being pushed past their comfort because they're close to each other but they have these misaligned interests

and we saw that with you know we've seen that with everyone we saw that with Kirby and Sarah doomed them both now they're both a jury villa we have seen that Surrey is a lot more set on the worlds and poverty was a lot more set on Kirby and here push has to come to shove for one of them

and then the Kirby, Shawnee pair, speaks for itself. And I've been through this episode a couple of times. I think I get what happened for most of it. But the two questions that I really do not understand, and maybe you can explain it to me, is how Luke and Janine didn't get back on the same page, was something we clearly would have been fine to do. Yes.

And secondly, what was Shawnee doing? What was Shawnee doing? I mean, I think what this is all going to come down to, and the reason why Kirby goes the way that she did, is something that George is going to reference the last time you and I spoke, which is a bit of big bovitis. And I do think that this is yet another week where we can again look back and talk about the fact that maybe the three people that were booted this week were taken out

due to not being able to, again, necessarily change their own stripes within this different environment. Obviously, Kirby, who absolutely killed the game last time by doing things that, again, should not have worked nine out of ten times. We found the one time where it didn't work, that she is cutting people who are close to her off at the knees, somehow not reaping any sort of repercussions for it, that she's somehow able to just amass the numbers and continue business as usual.

Clearly not this case. We could talk about the fact that so much of that I think depends on, you know, if you don't know a lot about Kirby, you just go off of what happened in this season, and if you find out what happened in this season, then yeah, maybe you are a bit leery, of Kirby, Sarah, you've talked a bunch about how, despite her wanting to come in and say, yes, I want to play a change game. She ultimately ends up going because she does, you know,

end up having her hands in a bit too many different alliances, you know, speaking badly about one of them. Tony, you could argue again, and maybe a little bit of a different story, but he is somebody who we've seen many times when he's cornered, likes to get aggressive, likes to get a little confrontational, likes to pull things out of his bag of tricks. And that is something that may have led to Syrian poverty, ultimately not flipping the tie. Again, it's a little bit more of a... As Tony was screwed from the jump.

To address the first question, I have two possible explanations. One is that they really want to keep this undercover for some reason. I mean, we don't get any... No. ...to what people perceive about these two. But it does seem like, again, this whole narrative from Luke's perspective especially

is like how blindsided he has... been basically every tribal council he's been to, right, except for the George tribal council. And even then, no, even then, right? Because then he's like, hey, vote for Shawnee. He's like, okay. So I call it like blindsided adjacent. Well, he was on the split, but I guess he has technically never voted correctly in this game. Which is a wild say.

Scouts, he got three jizzy points that episode. But it's true. We do come back from every, like, we start every episode with Luke being blindsided and like reacting to it. But nothing is better than Curbs got toasted, goddamn. Like, that was my favorite one. Yeah, that was so good. Again, like, I don't want him to necessarily be in the minority,

but it is really fun and not repetitive at all at this point from my perspective to, like, say, all right, it's the beginning of the episode. You know what we're coming back to. It's the Luke reaction canvas. He's going to break down how in the dark he was this entire time. I mean, it could be something where did Janine want to leave him out because she senses that he was closer to her? because, again, we see at least from the edit perspective

that Luke is the one that is espousing more like, okay, Kirby thinks that she can string us along and she seems to be the one that's approaching him more than Janine. The other explanation, Ockins-Razer could have been, you know, if they are rushing to get stuff together before the vote happens, they just might not have been able to talk to one another. But even then, I'm trying to remember,

they were sitting next to each other at tribal council, right? I don't remember now. I'll shift back really quick, yeah. But like, okay, I love that you coming with theories. And every time I'm like, no, it's not that. I mean, look, I don't think that it's that Luke wouldn't be okay with Kirby because I think Luke goes to give the name of Kirby to the worlds. And then it's like, yeah, we could do Kirby and then kind of floats the way.

It's like maybe we don't go with an Australian, even though they're so done with Kirby, which we did predict. Yeah, which is like, yeah, but they're like, yeah, screw nationalism, burn Australia to the ground. and also like, can we get rid of, like, Lisa or Kirby? I'm going to start, Lisa or Surrey at this point. Yeah, but he is fine with Kirby. Like, I think he'd be into it. I think it is what you said, like Occam's Razor.

Maybe they don't have the time. Maybe it just was, look, we're going to find a crack between the two of us. Like, you're taking one side. I'm taking the other. Like, we'll get it done. And maybe it just, again, didn't become relevant to inform Luke when they had the numbers. It is interesting because Luke goes to the world and gives us. from a very bad name in Surrey,

which was kind of a theme of this episode of bad names, mostly Lisa and Surrey being given to each other. And then Janine goes to like the Surrey poverty side and going through Surrey, she gets to the world. So what I actually think was the crux of this episode was Surrey and Lisa. And there were these moments when Surrey's name is given to Lisa and we see the look on her face.

I like to believe it. And then we get the same thing with Lisa and Surrey, and it could have gone very badly because Luke comes and says they're saying your name now. He doesn't say who they is. That's technically Seri's group and we don't know

the order things are really in but we see that Kirby and poverty are talking about it Kirby gives it to Luke Luke gives it to Lisa that could be

heartbreaking for Lisa like wait Surrey is on my name and then she says yes I'm like this is going to be like a Romeo and Juliet

thing like I came for you because you were coming to me no I actually didn't kill myself etc that's what happens and that might happen and then what happens

is then Sarie gets the name of Lisa we see she doesn't like and she immediately turns it away from Lisa she talks to Janine she gets it on Kirby and Janine gets it on Kirby and she immediately protects Lisa and the best thing about it is that cast Lisa

and Sarie have a conversation. They're immediately honest with each other. We do not get this misconnection issue where Lisa thinks Surrey was coming for her and then is she coming for Surrey. They're honest with each other and they get to consolidate as this group. And I think that the group that comes out of this is Surrey in the world. That's been Surrey's priority. She's one of that. It's been bigger for her than Kobe and Shawnee, obviously. That's a disaster. But poverty is out on the world completely. She's wanting to target Cass. And I know that Janine gave her an excuse, but I feel like she was like, Gene could be playing me, but also was looking for any excuse. Like, she's

ready to come for Cass. She's not been talking to the world. It's like, she's so out. Whereas Surrey has said her priority is the world. She's been so into it. And I think that this consolidated that she brings a Janine. That's because it comes a majority. Poverty's not a part of that at all. She gets dragged along, I think, against her will. It's very much like, hey, you could be in on this vote. You know, it's happening with or without you. So either jump on, you know, continue your own Sterling

voting record, or maybe try to throw a vote away and, you know, try to, uh, you know, get away with their promise to Kirby, though. We'll get into it. Uh, I, I think if poverty makes it to the end. I don't think it's a done deal that Kirby won't vote for her, but we'll get into that a little bit. No, I don't think so. I mean, yeah, Kobe loves

and respects the game, I think. She voted for her. After she just talked in this episode about like, Harris, he's so despondent when he didn't use his idol on me. Um, I want to talk about that as well. But, yeah, going back to that, I mean, I think it comes down to the fact that, you know, despite the fact the world has won

these past two votes. They lost the firemaking battle, but they have won the war so far. You know, they are a very tenuous five and it's because, you know, if the five stick through,

the three worlds would arguably be the majority. Harvard senses that like, okay, they would come for me, so I don't want to go through with that. For Surrey, it's like,

no, I think I could swing Lisa or at least I know I'm protected because I have Lisa, so I'm more inclined to stick with them. And yeah,

I agree with you that I think, A lot of this is going to come down to from all sides, the fact that in a game like this, be it survivor, be a big brother, what have you, like, when you are asked for a name, the choice of the name you pick means a lot more than you think. Again, like, we'll talk about this. I don't know why Luke floated out, Surrey, instead of Parvety. If it was Parvety, like, for all we know, I mean, they don't know that she has an idol, but like, it could have gone through. You know, maybe the world would have hopped on board for whatever reason, but because Luke mentioned that very specific name, then it's like, okay, no, no, no, no.

That's the last straw. We're not doing that. And then it causes the world to stick together for this one more. Should I say, again, the world's plus Surrey? Well, Surrey is a big part of that. I mean, I think Luke doesn't give Barbary because Shawnee's not going to do that. Shawnee's a big part of that. She probably tells Luke what name she's okay with, which is Kirby and Surrey.

And I think a big part of the season, and certainly this vote is just protection. You know, like Lisa and Serria are looking out for each other and they have enough numbers to get off that name. Parvety has that as well and that. Surria will look out for poverty and Shawnee will look out for poverty, but Kirby lost that. You know, Kirby lost three Australian allies last night and one go,

and Shawnee was unforeseeable. Shawnee turning is not on her, but then she wasn't investing in the world and she was just really investing in poverty. So at that point, there was nothing poverty could do, so she didn't have that investment. So I think it is interesting to see, we've seen this back and forth. It's been so interesting to be the theme of the season.

It's been, yeah, we had it with Surrey and poverty before in the way they were going with like Tony and the internationals. But Surrey's investment has always been the internationals yesterday. She pushed them past their comfort. Tell me when you've seen that before. I do believe it was a split. Even though I, even now like Tommy says, well done. And Luke says to Lisa, like they were both blindsided.

I think they're leaning into that. I'm sure it was a split. But it wasn't what they wanted to do. poverty continues to make them uncomfortable she's not talking to them it's too real it's like oh I don't want them to know what close it's like but you're also happy to target cast but you also don't give Cass the immunity

you promised her when it's the last two of you left like there's too much actually there it feels like when Cochran was the mole and then like actually became the mall which is always an danger so they're not feeling comforted by that but Surrey wants to consolidate that Surrey was forced to go against really her priority yesterday because

poverty won that war but today Surrey won and now poverty is not in a great spot like now she has Surrey she doesn't have Luke and Janine Janine kind of was giving us a bit like not huge she doesn't have the world Janine and Surrey are the ones that agreed to never write

each other's name down not Janine and Parvite that she's saying something Janine was trying a bit and Shawnee was willing to turn on Kirby and Surrey like that is actually not the Shontan people want Shawnee like for you to turn on Surrey

so Parvey's been left a little bit alone here I think in a way that's not good but I think But I think that Surrey, Surrey and poverty's relationship, this multi-decade relationship is so interesting because they have been misaligned and we're seeing it here

and how much further can they go on together when Surrey's priority is the world and poverty's been so out on the world and that's the breaking point of what I think has been a kind of long discord between them in this season and where does that go when they're so close

and clearly connected to each other but everything else around them is so different I think from each other. Yeah, I mean, that's what makes this so great, is that despite the fact that, you know, the prediction we all have come in with, which is like Parvety and Surrey are thick as thieves, has come to fruition. And I would argue is the most important dynamic in this game so far. They are two individually minded people. And I am curious from Surrey's perspective, we really haven't gotten a lot of would Surrey want to take Parvety to the end. Well, I do think this is a really good move for Surrey,

despite the fact that, you know, it does expose her closest ally and maybe her by proxy. You know, I could certainly see a moment next episode. And we'll see it on the next time on where it's like, hey, let's split our votes between Parvety and Sarity and Sarie. If Parvety has an idol, which Surrey probably knows about this point and she plays it, Surrey goes there. I think for her, you know, if she was forecasting the internet's favorite alliance,

indeed carrying through the day if Shawnee does not go rogue, like either A, Parvety could easily prefer to take Kirby over Surrey because Parvety knows Surrey's resume. It happened once before, even though Amanda was the deciding vote there in Micronesia.

And B, there's a good chance that Kirby would want to get Surrey out because this idea of like, no, I want Parvety all to myself. This is something that's out of the classic Kirby playbook. So again, in an episode that is all themed about get someone before they get you,

that makes a lot of sense to me. But going back to my initial point, you know, Poverty brings up in this episode like, yeah, listen, I don't care who I sit at the end with as long as I sit in the end. That makes sense because I would imagine at this point you would get a lot of votes if you were sitting at the end, even just based on reputation alone.

Yeah. So from that perspective, I do feel like we're missing a very key POV as to. Obviously, Ceri is doing a lot of things in conjunction with Pardy. This is one of the rare times where their past, diverge from a huge capacity to the point where Surrey kind of brings poverty in late. Does she want to make it to that final three with her again?

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Well, what's the first thing we hear from Surrey in this season that Pavity won her season? And they haven't played Survivor together since then. Obviously, Ceri doesn't make it to that point criminally in heroes versus villains. So I do think that she needs to get one over. I think she feels she's owed one and she is. She's owed like five and the traders didn't do enough to make it up. So I do think that's why it's her priority. When you have like a Lisa who I think is more loyal and without kind of that baggage,

you see why she goes in that direction so I think there's been this discord and I obviously think Shawnee was a lot more clearly a lot more loyal to Barverty so there's discord there and Kirby was like almost solely invested in poverty even though we saw those relationships with

Surrey as well so I think that it is it is quite different but I wanted to talk about we talked about the Kirby playbook can I just say can I defend Kirby for a second because isolating her number one by taking out their ally like well not a number one but like taking out like I lean to get to Ferris, like that type of thing.

That is in the Kirby Playbook. Voting out her number one is not in the Kirby Playbook. She has a reputation here that has been so unfair. She never voted out Rihanna. You know what I mean? That's true. It's very George-esque, right? Of like, when she is loyal to you, she is loyal to you.

Yeah. And I think that she's gone out of her way to invest in Shawnee seemingly to her detriment, shockingly. I think the thing with her is just that she and Sarah were just not. it. They were not it. They were not a good relationship. All of the discord was saying in a relationship between Surrey and Poverty. That's a multi-decade relationship. It's a stronger relationship and it's less out of sorts and taking and like a slower burn to that. Then Sarah and Kirby, he just started working together and had all of this and more 10 times this

from the very beginning. Like it was such an uncomfortable relationship and it just doomed them both. It was the reason Sarah went home. And ironically, it was probably part of the reason that Kirby went her because then she took that shot and she was more isolated and in some way she got that reputation which seems unfair so it is it is interesting i i don't think there is a jury villa i didn't see sarah's tonight but i would love to see the two of them at jury villa i hope they're okay because i love them both i hope sarah greeted her with the song straight out of that 2017 you know i guess it was yeah 2017 did the raps right with the jury villa in 2019 i remember they sang uh sweet caroline yeah i mean it is we write it that we could listen if you want to bring a wand off into

A.U versus the world. I don't know if I can do it to Sweet Caroline. You made your bed. Bump, bum, bum. Look who's at Ponderosa now? That feels like more of a comment on their cleanliness habits, considering that Ponderosa is all about them lying in a bed and dirtying it up. Like, oh, you made your bed.

Congratulations. No, I hope you have regrets. Bum, bum, that's it. Imagine not mean that would be. I mean, that would be incredible. It's like, hey, I have a song for you in like Taylor Swift style just burning them the entire time.

I mean, I'm trying to think about... You could do a lot of Taylor Swift songs for what Sarah, I'm sure, wants to say to Kirby. Yeah, exactly. I knew you were trouble when you walked in. There you go. Bad blood. Shame on me.

Yeah. I do think that, I feel like not since like Josh and Jeremy in Blood versus Water or, you know, Saman Delsor, have we really seen like such huge evidence of like, I got rid of this. This person, it directly affected my own boot as well. Because maybe, yeah, that could be, oh yeah, I mean, you do, yeah, Sean and David.

Yeah. But I do think that. They were both more rivals than this. Like, I don't think Sarah was as much Kirby's rival as Kirby was thinking. But I was, I mean, I think it was this matter of, like, she had, again, it was confirmation bias, right? That she'd already kind of gotten a sense that like Sarah was kind of pulling away from her. Sarah also subsequently, you talk about the Romeo and Juliet, was like, I feel weird,

because Kirby sounds like she's pulling away from me so I'm going to pull away from her and Kirby's like but now Sarah feels like she's pulling away from me but I think that what it comes down to is I'll sort of use a personal you know analogy here because again they use this analogy throughout the past two episodes Kirby even says like I feel like a jealous girlfriend

if you uh if someone is is going through their second marriage and you are their new spouse and you hear like oh what happened in your first marriage It's like, yeah, well, you know, I found something out about them and so I just had to break it off immediately. Or even to use like a non-romantic example, say you apply for a job for a certain position. They're like, yeah, the last person that we put in this position, after a while we just had to get rid of them, you know? It just seemed like it wasn't a good fit. You're liable to feel a certain way, especially again, when you don't know them from a hole in the wall,

when you have had probably three conversations with them tops over the past couple days. And I feel like, unfortunately, I agree, this is not a good episode for Parvety, even starting with Janine putting the cast bug in her ear, where it just seems like, again, it's confirmation bias from Parvety's perspective that I think she has certain suspicions about people so that even if it's just a complete fabrication in the case of the cast thing, when someone comes to you and says, oh, yes, somebody said this, it's like, of course they would.

All right. In this case, the devil you don't know is better than the devil you know, I suppose. well poverty's been very paranoid because she is the biggest target she's always like are they talking about me it's like actually no one is poverty but i see why you think that they are i feel like i mean if i were kirby i would have said do you remember riana though because that was like the 40-something day and then parmody would say no i don't know who that is

and she would say let me paint you a picture it was to death till death do us part okay sarah and i were the problem this relationship was the issue like if you would have come into a romantic relationship or even a job right and it was like my record speaks for itself i'm a brilliant partner i'm a brilliant employer whatever but this one thing was like clearly not the one surely like it really was just sarah and kirby and that's actually not kirby at all but anyway at that point i i really think i do think it's a bit overstated because that's obviously what poverty says is the reason but what's part of you're going to do you're going to play an idol on kirby and vote for lisa and then it's a surrey Lisa tie was it

And Surrey will go home. It would be what? It's something out of the Miles playbook, right? I'm like, eh, you're an outsider, you're going home. Let me play this idol on you to make you feel indebted to me. Miles won in a very specific way. I think this unicorn like in its own way to reference someone from this week going home. But yeah, I think Surrey goes home.

I was actually really worried. I was really worried that she would do that because I was like Surrey would go home. Because who would vote? Like, she would, so Janine would vote for Lisa. party would vote for Lisa but Cass Tommy um

clearly Shawnee and Luke already that's already four votes would vote for Saray and TBD on Kirby like she would have I don't know and that's also a crazy thing to do to hold on to one ally who I do think was a good ally for her like she doesn't want to lose Kirby here

and she shouldn't want to lose Kirby here but like she's brought in the sixth vote so of nine like it's done it's a majority exactly I think again we don't know the timing of things but I feel like the way Surrey approached her with it. Like, again, it wasn't necessarily a collaborative decision to be made for kind of once

in this game. It was more so a, hey, the train's leaving the station. You could try to wait for the next one, but that train might hit you if you're standing in the middle of the track. So like, get on board at this point. And yeah, I do agree. And I think maybe as unfair as it might be to Kirby's reputation, I think that poverty is almost preemptively spinning a narrative that she could give

a final tribal council setting as well if and when you know if she does get there if kirby's like hey uh i you know i was the most hurt out of all the votes i participated in in my survivor career parvety i was most hurt by you explain yourself to me poverty could easily just set up the idea almost like toddesque right of like i you know i saw what happened with sarah and i was going to get you before you got me and it's not like again as unfair as it is to kirby from an external perspective. That is the internal narrative. It's so unfair.

Perception is reality. But it's not like Sarah's going to speak up unless they have these like real come to Jesus moments in Ponderosa. She's not going to speak up. I'd be like actually that's not true. Like you see Sarah on the jury reacting to the talk about that last tribal council. So yeah, I think

that Kirby going here. I mean, it is quite shocking. I didn't necessarily peg Kirby as on paper as someone who can make it to the end again based on the way she was playing up to this point just because again, it was so fast. But again, I was thinking, why should I doubt her? She was able to make a deep cut the last time out. But I think this just goes to show that, you know, again, I think this also could have been something that, you know, where the lack of connections was working against

her, right? Like if she had someone from her season there, someone she was close to, they could vouch for her and be like, okay, that was a one-time situation. That's very different than what she's done before. She doesn't necessarily have that to speak of. And so you could argue that one of the things working against her from the initial part of the game comes back to bite her in her last days in the game. I will argue that actually because I think that that's not really what happened because the Kirby thing is that everyone wants to work with her. Like everyone. You know, like you, in her first season at the swap at the actual vote. But then at the, at the rebels camp as an example, everyone wants to work with her and she throws those decoy votes and she starts putting people off.

and that is actually what happened here like everyone wanted to work with her more than people they had played with more than people they had known for decades in like absurd ways she had those connections more than anyone but she actively lost Luke and Janine two people who a couple of episodes ago

you know rejected Sarah who Luke has played with before to work with Kirby and to do something that actually ended up blowing up the drive in a way that was bad like Sarah obviously did this Shawnee worked with her until she didn't and we'll talk about it, unforeseeable, very confusing. But I feel like a lot of that is on Kirby,

but that's the way Kirby plays. She has so much social capital. But this is what we've always said, but she spends it so recklessly. And sometimes that's a wonderful purchase. And sometimes she, like, goes a little bit into debt. And I think she wasn't a little bit of that debt

because she'd made so many big moves and they'd be somewhat destructive and she'd lost relationships. And then she didn't have enough capital, you know, it was just really poverty that she'd invested in. And she didn't have enough to protect her. And I think that's what happened.

But the thing with Kirby, is like, it's going to go one of two ways. You know, even last night when I was like, I'm so worried for Kirby. I felt like she was at the door, but then I also thought of my draft team, she was like my most likely winner. That's Kirby.

You know, it's very rare to find someone who redefines a medium 25 years into this franchise. We do get it. You know, they cast well across the globe, but Kirby as a player and a character has done that. To have Sarifield say that Kirby's a genius, she's scared of Kirby, to have poverty say, if Kirby goes in, I'm the biggest threat.

Harvey is saying that, like, what an honor. And I think the thing with Kirby as well, and I want to say this, is that I wasn't giving her enough credit last week when I spoke to Rob about, like, well, the thing that all these people have, Shawnee and Kirby, is that they just care less, you know, like, they're not the Brandon Donald's on the ladder because that it means so much to them. You know, they're not in an exit few with Tony freaking dying. They have more decorum than the rest of us. And while that is true, and Kirby is a cool, calm and collective, as Ronnie would say person,

I think it was Rodney. Kobe cares. She doesn't care for 15 years of investment and she's not dying on a mat or something, you know, like Andy style. All my friends, they're all similar. But she cares new. She's learnt, she's learnt to care.

And she played this game over a year and we watched her over a year and a half, fall in love with this game. And what a privilege it has been. And to see her go and be so gutted was hard to see because I love Kobe and I don't want her to feel that way. That was wild.

Compare like the first time she might right where again despite how she's vocalizing how uh betrayed she felt by ferris like she's all smiles gives everyone hugs on the way out like she snubs parvety as she makes a beeline for luke well like she was on her last legs and titans be rebel she'd won challenges to you know to even get to where she was because she'd been such a clear obvious threat here it's a blind side and here she's has the legs taken out from under her and here she is shattered and it's hard to see but it's also really beautiful because i'm like oh kirby you've you've been hurt by this game and you're fallen in love with this game. And let me tell you with someone who loves it, part of loving

it is being hurt by it. And I'm not even playing it. But that's just true. Like so much of survivor is that it's powerful because it can make you feel. And if it can't make you feel, what is the point? It's about the ugly victories and the beautiful defeats. It's about the exquisite pain. And Kobe felt that. I bet this loss in this way and that pain and that heartbreak makes her love it even more. That's the beauty of the game. It's the highs and the lows and the brilliance of that and to see Kirby's journey and I hope we see much more of it but to see her journey over the last year and a half from that to learn the beauty of this game and to get to that point that's part of the beauty it's the worst part but it's it's a part of it that's very powerful and that

that's spoke to me in Kirby going home in that way oh yeah 100% like as inside out teaches us you cannot fully envelop the entirety of the human experience without incorporating the sadness as well as the joy and perhaps the anger as well considering uh you know how she snuffs part on the way up, but I completely co-sign everything that you so beautifully said. I mean, I think Kirby is such a great example when it comes to this fandom of quite literally better late than never that I think sometimes people cast aspersions on those who do not know the show as much, but I do think there is so much beauty in the game of soccer, it makes me cry, but also in the idea that people who don't know the show come in and just like 25

years ago become completely, I don't know, like immersed in it. not only from a day-to-day experience, but also, like, realizing how exhilarating it is to be able to be at the top one day and the bottom, the next. And I think what you talk about with Kirby and Shawnee, what's so interesting about them is, like, just because they're not sort of, like, career survivor fans, doesn't mean that they don't lock in once their feet hit the sand.

Kirby certainly proves that. But she's, like, yeah, I don't really know a lot of these people, both personally and from a, you know, historical background. but, like, that's not going to keep me from playing as hard as I do. And so if we were to see a Kirby 3.0, I'd be incredibly intrigued to see what it would be because Tyson talks about this all the time that, you know, when winners come back to play,

it is a humbling experience because they've never experienced being blindsided before. Kirby didn't win, but as you mentioned, the first time out was far from a blind side. It was very much a like, again, why I think she was pouring it on a big thick with, with poverty of like, you know why I'm so broken? It's because Ferris snubbed me.

thought he plays idle. I mean, like, no, that was clearly the last gasp of a dying horse. But I do think that if she were to come in for a third season, would she see the warning signs more clearly? You know, would this cause her to be a little less hands on? Because at least from our perspective, the edit was personifying it as like, Kirby kept trying to check in with Parvety being like, we're good, right? We're good, right? What's interesting is Parvety never had a confessional being like Kirby's too much, which also leads me to say as we memorialize her. She has to be one of the most charismatic contestants I can think of in recent memory. Again, it is something that we are not able to see the social game with the exception

of Shawnee's edit is so tough to personify in these shows. But like two seasons now, we have had basically an entire cast filled with people that are like, God, there's something about Kirby that despite everything she's done up to this point makes me want to work with I think the Sarah Lascena comparisons, especially from a game changer's perspective, we're really on point. We saw it happen again, winners of war despite that reputation. So, like, I feel like the one for one is continuing through her second season here. I mean, if you don't see it on the screen, and I think you can see it a lot more than Sarah

Lucina, to be honest. But, like, I mean, I've met Kirby, and it is, it's palpable. And you can, I think you can see it. I mean, the chemistry and the, like, what I call the charisma plosion in Dondy, between like the Davids and the poverty, not poverty and Kirby. We had poverty and Rob. I'm like,

these are the most charismatic people in the world and that's what we've got together here. We've literally congregated those people. Kirby has that. If she were to play again, it would be interesting to see if she tries to pull back, you know, play against her base instincts, which are always to go for it.

She goes at 100. You know, she wants to do it for the fun of it because she loves it. And now she's not out, but she's not so fun on the other side. She says screw shield. She's going on to the battlefield, throwing the shield aside,

you know, shedding the, armor being like, it's just going to weigh me down and holds her sort of loft and runs into it. I know that DeNaris compared her, I'm sorry, I'm pretty compared herself to DeNus, like Kirby is full Dothraki, full on sully, like barely wears any armor, just relies on her own set of skills to make sure she doesn't die. I'll take your word for it. I've never seen Game of Thrones. I know, is that Game of Thrones?

No. It is Game of Thrones. Yeah, it's Game of Thrones. Parvite does refer to herself as Calisi, which is the title of the adult Rocky give DeNaris, but yes, it's one and the same. okay well i think that yeah for kirby like she she plays with her heart on her sleeve like she plays so open she makes big moves she like again doesn't overthink it like she she like plays so hard and then she fell so hard and like i said at the beginning of the week i think it was that

she could go home tomorrow which she didn't i think it was two nights later and she would still have quadrupled my estimate already high estimations of her through the season and that is true because to see the way that she she escalated her own reputation above some of these icons when she was the most recent player speaks for itself. And I know that, you know, she comes ninth and that's not like in a 14 person season. We've lived lives, okay? But it feels like, I don't know, we've seen it. We've seen the power.

We've now seen it twice. I'm impressed. And I'd love to see what she continues to learn. And I'm so grateful that Kobe's learned to love our. game and that we have her and that great for what anyone learns to love our game but we're very lucky to have Kirby in that in that club

we got to talk about the other parties here Shannon can we finally 35 minutes in give Janine her juiced flowers she juiced up the strategy in this episode we got to do better than that we got to do better than the I should

be doing oh you know I say she gave it a boost she gave her yeah I was saying she gave it a boost that's better I was going to say was like an all berry bang. She made some mango magic. Like the actual, the actual boost juice puns. For the non-Australians, it's confusing. Clearly, those are juices. Janine was great. You know, Janine, but why was Luke not involved? Well, get past it. I love the way that she connected with Surrey. I like the way that she connected with Carverty. She put out the name Kirby. She did that. She was happy to go with that. She actually gave a good name, which was a theme in this episode that

people were not giving good names. People were not reading that correctly and people were not happy with what they were hearing and then they were going back on it. So that was very good. I think Janine did very well. I still think that this behooves Seri Moore and the world's more, but so Janine adds to that. And I think she did the most to get it done. But I still think that they benefit the most. But like Janine's not going home and she's not on the bottom, which she could have been. So she did very well. I mean, all that matters for her at this point is she was not in direct danger. I agree with all the plans floating about. But like she's thinking long game, right? Again, as a businesswoman, very proud to do so. She wants to make long-term

investments, not try to like throw out these short returns that just splutter out after a little while. And so I loved this scene between her and Surrey because it is just, it's a perfect example of laying down these seeds that Janine knew exactly what to tell Surrey in that moment. Surrey was giddy when it seemed like, because my impression is that she had these reservations about Kirby, she's trying to tell Parvety. Parvety's having none of it because the two of them are sort of like in Lovebird honeymoon phase at this point. And so, Surrey's looking for some sort of outlook.

She's not going to go to Shawnee because Shawnee, she's been told as close to Kirby, so she can't be like, hey, isn't Kirby kind of shady at this point? So when someone approaches her from the Australian perspective and tells her what she's been thinking this entire time. It is such a bridge for her. And while I do agree that like, you know, Surrey in the world had sort of been building this coalition to begin with, Janine being on board gives them the freedom to really pursue this idea because then they know they have five. Five out of nine is enough, barring an idol. So I think this was the crux of the plan that considering how separated things were last time, I don't know if Sarie thought that she could

get one of Janine or Luke over by herself. So to have Janine come, to her, connect with her, and be like, hey, just so you know, this is what happened with Kirby previously, just look out for it. It was, again, a fantastic example of confirmation bias. And I do feel like, I know Janine has really shot up in my estimates, you know, over the past couple episodes where she, yeah, exactly, where she is really making a name for a shot of, I don't know, just shots and juice, if you want to for an extra charge. And she has charged up her game. because I do feel like maybe I'm just being sort of tricked by the edit, but it did seem

going into the merge that she was sort of personified as like, all right, the second banana to Luke, much like a banana you could throw inside any of your local... Yeah, there's a banana juice that I got. I'm going to Google it. Exactly. But I do think that she has showcased the individual merits of her game. And I do think people

were excited to see her, but I think compared to a lot of the other multi-time legends around her, maybe she had one of the lowest stocks besides Sarah. going into this season. But she proved, again, why she took the godmother nickname that Harry threw at her feet

and took it and ran with it because honestly, this might be besides, you know, helping flip Abby towards the beginning of Champions versus Contenders, too. Like, one of the most impressive moves I've seen her do in her season and a half so far and just being able to, again, as

you mentioned, in an environment in a day that is full of people giving others the wrong name, and try to cobble plans together that clearly others are not hopping on board with. She approaches the exact right person at the exact right time with the exact same name. And lo and behold, not only did they leave the conversation on the same page, Surrey has now found maybe another connection to go to as well outside of Lisa. Google saying banana buzz.

I don't get banana juices. That's not for me. So I didn't know the name of the banana juice. Yeah, what was interesting about this was that the cat. list was Sarie hearing Lisa. It wasn't even Surrey at that point hearing her own name because

how is that going to get to her? She did hear it but then it was like that also if Janine was not even part of that even though she should be and if she would report it it would throw Luke under the bus even though it is good for her to hear that Shawnee's doing that and this is why this is so complicated but yeah protecting Lisa look Janine

giving a good name is the only one who did that in this whole episode where the name that people actually wanted. So like you know, like Kirby went and gave it to gave Lisa to the Australians. They didn't like that. No one was liking the name. So for her to do that, you're right. It was the perfect pitch at the perfect time, which actually is ideal.

People should not forget the chief of the godmother. No one in the season should forget that they were chosen for a reason. Like, when Luke calls Lisa Small Fish, she won. She won the game. She was a good winner. Janina's a godmother. To be fair, Luke does not remember the country that Lisa is from. So clearly, he's not a

big of a fan of us. He watched her season. He covered it with me. He covered the Benalt episodes. We must have had to watch a lot of the season because we did. Yeah, but don't you remember his world tour when he's like, I'm going to Canada. I know. I'm going to Finland. I'm going to whatever country. The other one is stuff. He didn't even remember Lisa's name. He called her the other one. The upsetting part about that is how little that podcast meant to Luke to do with me because he watched her season. Did this be nothing to you? Literally, clearly it did. And the funny thing about it is that in the pre-season, I'm like, oh, Luke knows Lisa's game because

we covered that season. Luke doesn't remember that we did that. It's very upsetting for me. That meant a lot to me. Yeah, so I think we don't forget that Janine's the godmother. Everyone wants to find their fodder, because that's what these leaders do. No one is fodder. Janine certainly isn't fodder. That's the freaking godmother.

So I think that was a good reminder. I have questions. Johnny, what happened? You explained to me what Johnny did in this episode. Because I think it was Big Movedis. I can't see another way that it's not Big Movitis. Yeah, I... The Shawnee merge edit.

I know we're only a couple of votes into the post-merge, but really confounds me. Like, it almost seems like once she got rid of David, once she got rid of George, like, things kind of fell off a cliff where it's like, okay, she got her revenge. You know, she clipped George before he reached 90-day and before he reached 100 days. Now she could sort of like settle on her laurels,

but clearly that is not the case. As we see that she's brought in as sort of like, Kirby's close with her. And again, it seems like from a personality perspective, as a lot of us surmise going into this season. Her impoverty from a personality perspective are thick as thieves. I mean, to your point, that's a reason why she wants to vote off Surrey instead of poverty.

But I don't understand why she feels the need to turn instantaneously. Like, you could argue, and we certainly did at this time last week, going into what we thought was the double tribal of like, okay, you know, Shawnee might have relations with Luke and Janine considering that they played around the same time. But also, we saw that Shawnee has perhaps the biggest axe to grind of the Australians against Luke and Janine for writing down her name. So unless she really wanted to do like, you know, keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer and try to bring them on board for something. This just came out of nowhere. Under no circumstances, did we really say any sort of like dissatisfaction that Shawnee had with this quartet and especially with Surrey.

And Kirby. And Kirby, it's a warrant going to Luke and being like, we could ditch that right now. I had a good thing going, but I'm ready to move on to the next thing. Well, she's happy to be with poverty, but that's being a terrible ally to poverty. And the thing that's crazy to me is I think that if she can get votes on a world tribe member,

and Kance is kind of the target. But if Kassman's immunity, maybe Elisa or Tommy, I think she's in the best, one of the best positions. She's got Kirby's a bit of a shield. she's the one who has to be the conduit to the Australian. She has to be the connector. They're pissed off at Kirby. They come and end at that out on Kirby.

If she can come and manage that and be like, Luke and Janine, I know that was bad for, you know, we left you out of that, but we actually just got new allies. There was a method to our madness. Now we're going to bring them in and take out a world

and actually do that and bring in a Luke, Janine, herself, Kirby, poverty, who clearly would have done it. Again, like, she doesn't know if Janine's telling the truth,

but she's itching to take out a cast. And I know the cast where the immunity maybe changes that, you weaken at Cass, you know, and you take out. Yeah, I was going to ask, not to the rail thing is too much. What do you think would have happened if Cass lost immunity? Do you think that, like, the momentum was starting so much, you know, from Janine and poverty before the challenge that it's just open and shut, you know, the foursome stick together alongside Luke and Janine and take out Cass? Well, I don't for the reason of Shawnee. Shawnee is, you know, like such

an unreliable element in this because I think anyway, it's okay, so say Cass, it's like, firstly say Cass is out of the equation. I still think if you have the four Australians and Poverty, now it's flipped. Now instead of Saree saying to Poverty, I have five or six, what are you going to do? Poverty is to Sari. Like, we're in this together, right?

You're the six, what you're going to do? And I don't know what she does for Lisa there, but she can't actually do anything. And it might be a flipped version of this kind of upsetting betrayal that we see from Pavity to Kirby in Sari to Lisa. Now, if Cass is an option, because Cass has been like a juicy target. I watched enough Survivor Quebec to know she's amazing at endurance.

Okay, I reported on that fact and I've improved. I mean, that is, yeah, she, as these people were, you know, going through it, as Luke once again seems like he's going through one of those social experiments where they hook men up to these sensations of giving birth, and he's just going through the labor pains, quite literally, like, it's a day at the beach for Cass. She's just standing. I know.

Every challenge is like he's giving birth, I assume. Yeah, Cass called it from the very first. from the challenge at the beginning of this batch of episodes. So have Cass standing there so nonchalantly to where Parvety, who is gunning for Cass, has to drop out of the challenge because she's like, Cassie, do it okay? And Cassie's like basically looking at her nails, you know, saying,

yeah, fine, I'm good. Like, she is a monster. Maybe it goes to show like, again, we could talk about next week and especially what those previews mean as to like, could the world try be splitting apart? Like, there's a chance that, Cass might need to use that idol sooner rather than later. Well, I barely watched the previews because it felt like a lot.

And I hate when they're at tribal council and I'm like covering it because I don't want to see necklaces. I'm not going to lie to you. I barely watch the preview. Cass is great, especially at the weight challenges. I think it was the loved ones challenge in Quebec where she won by holding up like the typical like holding up the weight challenge. She's really good at that. So if Cass doesn't win immunity, say poverty wins it and she comes second. Is she a juicy enough target to stop Shawnee going rogue?

And at that point, and Shawnee with Luke, you know, maybe. And then is Janine happy to hop on board with that because we saw that as well? So then maybe there's like a cohesive group there, Gene working with poverty and then all bringing it together. I can't say that, though, because I don't know why Shawnee did what she did. So I don't know if Cass is a juicy enough target to stop her from doing the crazy thing because I don't understand the crazy thing. So I don't know that I can say that.

I don't know if that's enough to pull Shawnee back to watch it be Hoover anyway. Because if Cass is immune, Lisa going is still good. and actually good to keep cast as a target and then have your cake and eat it too and then choose between the Australians and then maybe cut into this group at a later date. But that's not what Shawnee wanted to do

and what connections did she expect to have? She goes to the world to immediately discard her and gives them a name that she can't read because she doesn't know them and she's not connected to them. So that's the world. She's cutting into three. She's willing to cut into Kirby.

That's not good for poverty. She's working with Luke who's still not working with Janine. That's it. Is she only investing in the Australians? Like she had numbers. Which is why because she just burned them last time. She was again... Yeah, and they're the ones who came back.

Yeah, so... Yeah, so it's... I mean, I guess what Shawnee espouses during that confessional, you know, saying, I know I want to create good content here, but I'm exploring other options. Maybe it is all about just, like, keeping as many bridges open,

because I guess from Shawnee's perspective, how much does she want to go to the end with the four? I mean, you know, is she seeing that Kirby... Yeah, I mean, again, it doesn't need to be taken care of it, the final nine. I mean, this is also the interesting thing about that last vote is like, you know, when you have a four to three to three vote, it's not exactly coming back with a clear majority. And that's really been a lot of the gameplay this season is that like no votes have resulted in any sort of majority. It's very much something that we're experiencing actually this season on Big Brother, where it's more so just kind of flying by the seat of your pants, vote by vote. It's not even voting blocks.

I mean, I guess it is to a certain extent. but as you mentioned the very beginning of this podcast, even the voting blocks are unstable, where you have Shawnee and Kirby, which you thought were together, sort of breaking apart. Same thing with Parvety and Surrey. It's an incredibly individually minded game here.

I don't know if it's virgin along by the fact that we have this certain quality of players or the fact that they're going to tribal council basically every day, just causes them to not necessarily get settled in any sort of routine. But, yeah, this came out of nowhere. I mean, I'm as always grateful for the Sean Penn,

especially because I feel like we haven't seen a lot of her in the past couple episodes really since that George narrative but I don't know if I want to see this material if she just out of nowhere comes through and says yeah remember that thing that everybody liked I don't like it anymore

let's take care of Surrey right now so because just let me paint the picture I think we've seen a bit of Shawnee we saw Shawnee and poverty but like for Shaw to make this move now imagine a world in which that's not what happens even if Pass is immune they go for Lisa

Surrey is forced to vote out Lisa. We severed that. And I don't know if anyone realizes what a big connection that is. Tony was like, it was clear Lisa was a fan of Surrey. But anyway, anyone should know that she's a super fan. Of course, she's a fan of them. Have you seen Lisa? No one, just Luke not remember on this scene?

Clearly he doesn't. Clearly he doesn't, all right? It's fine. It meant a lot to me too, Luke. But in a world where they take out a world today. Then she gets to a place where she's a plurality of four with Kirby, who has invested so much in Shawnee. plurality with the two Australians with Luke and Janine of eight or with poverty and

Surrey with Kirby and then it becomes oh poverty and Surrey were willing to turn on Lisa poverty's been against Cass or willing to turn against Cass whoever's immune and now you're betrayed by them so then you pick them up you know at this point they're not like fully out the door they're definitely not out the door with Surrey but at the point where Sarie's been forced to vote one of them out because she's on the back foot like Faradie was here now that's been severed you've severed something great and then you have your connection. So then you can say, okay, well, now I can choose.

Now I'm with the Australians, or probably I would choose the Australians over the bigger threats of Parvey and Surrey. Then you join with the world. Then I feel like she's in the pound position, but she just cut off all her options here. And I think she gave so much ammo to the other side where they still have so many connections. Like, why will the world choose her over Surrey?

Are they pissed off enough that the vote didn't go exactly their way, but they're like part of a split where they were actually fine. I mean, you argue that the world just chose Surrey over her, considering they did not go aboard with her plan of like, look at this. And maybe. Exactly. You could have Surrey being like, all right, well, listen, you weren't the only person to write down my name this season.

But like, they weren't the only people that's left who did so. So now I have a reason to interview. Exactly. The world chose Surrey here. And there wasn't enough for them not to choose three. At the point where Sarai has voted one of them out, I'm in forced to do that. Now that's been severed. But that had not happened.

So there were enough big connections. that Shawnee, it's not cut up enough for you to cut up your own connections, keep your connections, cut up other connections. I feel like Kobe was so important to that. Kobe's like her partner. Kirby's a voting bloc, Johnny, what happened? And I just don't understand why she was willing to cut into that. In another world, Shawnee gets voted out.

Like in another world, Therese says, oh, we're voting for Kirby, but who said my name? Luke and Shawnee. Kirby did nothing wrong here. Kirby wasn't turning on Ceri, you know, but Kirby was turning on Lisa and that was was turning on Lisa and that was enough for Surrey. But if you tell me that Sean he's willing to turn on Surrey, it's crazy that it didn't go back. Kobe was a juicy enough target.

She was a shield. I'm not saying that's not true. But in a world where it's like, but who said my name? Can we work out who said? And then Lisa can go back and say Luke said it and he said Shawnee's in. I'm surprised this didn't bounce back on Shawnee immediately. And I think that she's on an island going forward regardless.

How much do you think possibly her last season could have influenced this, because we look at the same exact spot, the final nine. Shawnee thought she was locked in with a good group that the Spice Girls were going to make their way to the end together, sit in the final three. George cuts her legs out from under her, blindsides her with an idol in her pocket. How much does Shawnee feel like she doesn't want to live in a sense of complacency in the

end game at this point and feels like, I mean, again, it's an extreme measure to be like, let me turn on everything we just formed. but is there is there legs to the idea that there there's a sense of paranoia that just had her feeling a bit of PTSD where she's like I've got to make sure that there are other options out there because the more people are not thinking about my name the more I can protect myself if and when some of my closest people decide to turn on me firstly this whole season is survivor PTSD right it's like from Ferris from everyone and I love all the name dropping that we're getting um yeah like it's a it's not a final line between complacency and just setting up your next vote. Like, you go to the world with nothing, really. Like, oh, I want to take out someone you have worked with who, you know, at worst got her way last night over you would brought you in and you got your way when Tony went home

and brought her in. Like, you guys are in this back and forth where you're working quite well together, actually. Let's take out Surrey. Like, we thought the worlds might be amenable to that, but they weren't going to be amenable on Surrey. You don't have the leverage there. Like, they actually have the relationship. So to go to them.

and offer that with nothing that's nothing you know like that's raw dogging that strategy whereas I think that if you were to set it up now Surrey has had to turn on you and like that's not my fault like I let a vote on you but we didn't have anything they betrayed you poverty and Surrey betrayed you

now we're cooking with gas now those are numbers you can pick up to make your decision when you're working with everyone else for me that's like a perfect situation here clearly no one felt indebted to her and the people who did many of the she had many people

she cut them off mostly Kirby Surrey and with that poverty and now I don't know to meet Big Movitis like I just think that she's like life is for living

but sometimes too much living you know sometimes that birds you like Seanie's cash raise and it's great it's so fun sometimes we're living a little too much so I think that's sometimes you need a quiet weekend of home

you know you don't need to go jet setting extreme stunts jumping off of bridges is every other day. Sometimes life is not for living. Sometimes life is for sleeping. You know, sometimes life is for resting. That's also very important.

But, like, I'd love to hear from Shawnee what it was. And, like, you know, I don't want to, I hate just, like, discarding because I don't get it. Maybe I don't get it. But I really don't get it. That, like, that, like, turned her off to Surrey, maybe the two of them. Again, we talked about the, uh, the Rachel,

the Phoebe and Chandler, Elaine and George situation. We're like, they have been brought in by their, each other's closest allies, but it's like the two of them just aren't connecting as well. She was willing to turn on Kirby. She was willing to turn on. She says they're going to turn. Luke goes to them. Johnny's not part of that conversation and then goes Kirby or maybe Surrey. I feel like she went and saying, yeah, Kirby or I guess Surrey. I feel like Luke turned it on to Surrey. I think she was going for Kirby. She wasn't doing it with Kirby. She wasn't doing it

with poverty. Yeah. I want to give kudos to Luke as well. I know that obviously this does not work That feels crazy. Well, I feel like yet again he's left out of the vote, but I do think that the idea, at least of seeing this connection with the three worlds, is going to pay off in dividends. You know, I think we can talk about what the landscape looks like next time. If and when the world tribe splits apart, like I think it does help to have at least try to have some sort of working relationship.

But then, again, they have nothing to go off of because they actively betrayed Luke and Shawnee this time. But again, I do think on paper, Luke and Janine really divining and conquering here. I mean, they did technically conquer. Yes, the momentum was sort of building from different perspectives towards Surrey and the worlds to feel very leery of Kirby. But, you know, Janine being the straw to stir the juice cup, as it were, and Luke very clearly trying to make some connections with them and then just saying, you know, the wrong name at the wrong time, I do think this tactic is going to pay off despite the fact that Luke is, you know,

O for four and actually voting people out. I think that it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, something that could pay off successfully for what they're attempting to do at the end of the day. But these three world people are like, honestly, the biggest X factors in this entire game, not only from a notoriety perspective, but just like they are a block of three. And really, it seems like outside of Lisa's allegiance to Surrey, they are free agents completely. And I think they both did a good job of sensing that and trying to pick up the pieces in that moment. I don't think they're free agent. I think that Surrey is important.

that's a four and they'll serri's bringing other people and i think that's where the power lies for me because i think that serri and lisa are so important i think that's what it is but yeah i mean for luke look it's not the right name again that's like the difference in the pitches right like not the pitches of juice like the actual pitches that you know if he'd given kirby that would be perfect like they're so down with kirby so that would have been great he pushes his leverage that he doesn't have to give serri which is the wrong read and jeanine gives the right pitch and that's why she conquers while they divide. Yep.

I hope that Luke votes correctly at a point. I do count the script. Even if he's on the jury, hopefully he won't be left to the minority and he'll run her up. This is becoming like flick levels of, you know, incorrect voting. But I will say, you know how like something's just get like

added to my lexicon? Help me, Paul, being the biggest one. Yeah. Curbs got toasted goddamn. Where can I fit that in? Curve got toasted goddamn is my favorite thing ever. Where do I put that? What's a situation where I can use that as a break?

I think you name every single piece of bread you have in your bread box Kirby. And so whenever you have a nice little breakfast shape, say, oh, Curbs got posted. God damn. Yeah, but I don't eat a lot of toasts. But I could start. I could really start. You have to make that sacrifice, Shannon. I don't know.

I kind of think if it's like, you know, like if my mom like loses it word or when she texts me like, I failed word or I'll be like, Curbs got toasted. God damn. She'd be like, are you okay? I'll be like clearly never. it can sort of be that meme of like when someone has like a really scathing one liner that dresses someone down it's like oh curbs got posted god damn like obviously kirby is not one of the parties involved but it's more so as a reference yeah i want to use it i want that to be a thing but a couple of things i want to say before we get to the chizzy the season is so good i just want to say like that's what you want to say we've never mentioned this in six episodes of coverage so i'm so glad you're bringing this new piece of information to light it's been 20 minutes since i mentioned how good the season is i went to you to a viewing party tonight for the merge episode. Third time I watched that episode

and I was like, damn, it's even better the third time. I love it so much. It's so good. It's so funny. Like, there's so many good one-liners. Everyone's on song. And if everyone's so entertaining, the line where Luke's like, we'll go for a walk poverty, but leave the machete. She's like, it's fine. I can kill you with your bare hands. Like everyone, with my bare heads. Everyone's great. Even I screwed it up. She's great.

It's so good. The season is so good. And as I said at the top of the podcast, like we kind of wondered 14 people 16 days like is this a win but it felt like it feels like it then it's only going to keep going but it's felt like a lot so i think yes and another thing i want to say i think these two episodes were both sublime i think the whole thing's been i think episode four was a bit of low point to be honest but i think overall i'm having the most wonderful time and also jlp like jlp's always great but it's chemistry with this cast and the jlp laugh is out and full force he's like it's painful how good he is like you're just

could be like if you had to like break up with a boyfriend for like reasons outside of your control and that this was like the best relationship had ever been that's why i feel and it's always good but like it's so good i mean it's it's it's weird because it's like it's going out on top even though he didn't realize that he was on top you know and i don't know i think jelphira strikes me as someone who would always be on top but regardless uh uh don't listen to this in the backs of cars do they okay uh yeah hopefully i'll go buy a boost juice hopefully all of our in-house marketing is not to you. But I do think that he, it's interesting because you look at,

and this is obviously not the first returning season that AU has ever done, but like looking at how Jeff can sometimes regard, like especially the All-Stars contestants, like they were very colloquial, but almost they were too colloquial as Jeff has reflected in the past about how like they're almost taking advantage of him. Now there is this sort of like reverence for him. I think JLP has sort of hit this happy medium where like,

He's not looked upon as necessarily like this paragon, this, you know, untouchable God of Survivor. But at the same time, like, he is very chummy with him. Even again, the people he had not met before in poverty, in Surrey, I love the reactions that he's been giving. I love him the banter. Listen, when's going to be a survivor flimflam versus hoodwink versus bamboozled? When is that coming? That's going to be the season after the one that's coming up, redemption. So I absolutely just love the chemistry that he has.

It truly is like a reflection again of like, as you and I have talked about, how much he has grown into this role over the course of 10 seasons, how comfortable he has become with his own hosting to the point where he can not only have this camaraderie with the people that he's interacted with time and time again, but also these brand new people, too. Like, it just showcases what a stellar MC this guy is. And obviously it is incredibly depressing that this is,

we're now looking at the last four episodes that we'll get from him of Australian Survivor. But it's such an enjoyable time. And you could tell especially he is really enjoying himself out there. Like to go back to your first brand new statement, this is such fantastic television. You know, like the only stick. Yeah, the only sticking point I would have is like, sucks that Tommy's under edited. But you talked about this before. in terms of expectations, that's Australian Survivor.

There's always going to be like one or two random people who are going to get completely under-edited, even if there's eight people left. But we enjoy those small, sparse moments like we got of Tommy in the merge episode. But otherwise, I completely agree. Everyone is absolutely delivering. The strategy is incredibly unpredictable.

This is not an exhibition match. And this goes to prove, in my opinion, that the day count kind of means bupkis, in terms of the argument of like, what is true Survivor? What are we putting an asterisk on? You could argue that like, okay, is the new era different from the old era

because of like all the twists and now it become road structure? Yes, I totally agree with that. But like a 16 day season is slapping pretty damn hard. It doesn't matter how many days you play. What matters is what you do with that limited number of days. And from what we have seen seen so far,

these players have been doing with 16, what some players have not been able to do with 50. Firstly, I know and love Tommy. I actually think it has been even. I have a sense of all of these players, which I should because there are very few players. If you can't do that, we have concerns.

Janina's had more now. Like, I do have a sense of all of these players, I think. And I would also say, like, I don't really care about Dave, but I care a lot about votes. And that's one of my favorite things about the new era, right? It's like, there'll be a disaster tribe. So, like, sometimes the winner, like, doesn't have a lot of, like, pre-merged votes.

And then there's, like, a split tribal. And then they're not part of it. I'm like, no, I want to see them be tested. And so what? So anyone who wins this season, we go to two pre-mage tribal councils and then four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Nine?

Nine tribal councils. That's not bad. There are winners in the U.S. in 39 days who have been to fewer than that. I was going to say, Michelle Fitzgerald went to what, like eight or nine maybe in Kowron? I think fewer. Yeah.

Fewer than that. Yeah, because of Alda Metabatch, yeah, probably. Yeah. So. I should also say, speaking of history, this is a bit of a tangent, but what do you make of a, again,

I don't want to see from a personal perspective, Surrey keep racking of votes because that means she's a danger, but I am obsessed with how pissed off she is about it. No, I'm just false. The fact that she gets the first vote, she's like, sure, yeah. You know what? Why not at this point?

And then her being pissed off at Luke Starbucks cup-esque spelling of Surrey. Come on, Mike. Sorry, sorry. Should be noted that Surrey has received four votes so far in AU versus the world. That is nearly half the number of votes she has received in all four seasons she played in the U.S. so far before Survivor. She got nine votes in her first four seasons. She has now received four.

I don't know. She could be on her way to getting as many, if not more votes in one singular season as her previous four seasons combined. That is wild to me. Okay, Michelle Fitzgerald went to six travel girls because I knew it was a lot fewer than that. Now I'm looking up Tom. These are the stats we always pull up. And also, you think I'm not thinking about to raise votes all the time, that you got four, votes in these four tribal councils that she's been to and nine in four seasons before that

these Australians are rude. I see why she doesn't like people from Australia or things. I mean, listen. I didn't listen to the merger cap yet, but she hasn't asked to grind against certain Australians. Bowie Jane did not necessarily invite the warmest reputation to the entire country when she lived 75 days with her. I do love the idea that she's referring to Boie Jane. Like that deep cut reference that makes sense and that I didn't think about is crazy. Let's talk more about Surrey. Let's talk about the chizzy. Take it away Jacob Saga Weinstein and M.C. Color.

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Conditions apply. Scotia Bank, you're richer than you think. Why is it so hard to count, Tom? So one, two, three, four, five, seven for Tom. Yeah, because it was just going to final two. So it was, yeah. So it's listen Again, these people are putting in the work

With the limited number of tribal councils that we have I guess we can assume now with them merging at 10 Starting the jury then it's probably going to be final three With the seven person jury I still feel like before we get into the Chizzy actually I probably just keep going up on tango. It's not to be me What do you think Cassa scroll is? Like that is so that was so awesome and it's like

Hey you want immunity here's a scroll Don't read it until after the vote I mean I guess it makes sense because you know Provided she doesn't do an Eric or a brand in hands she is going to be the only person guaranteed to open that scroll the next day. But kind of odd that she would open it then instead of just like having it come in tree mail, you know? Well, that's what like Eva got, right?

I mean, Eva got more so a like, hey, you know, sneak away to the camp and get an advantage. But it wasn't like she was told, hey, read this to, this wasn't public knowledge. It wasn't like, hey, here, here's a, you want immunity. so here's this, this, you know, thing that you can take later on. It was more so. This was the case of, hey, open this tomorrow. And I think that means that it's something for everyone. It's not, hey, Cass, you have this power to do this.

I would imagine that maybe it's like they announced like a double elimination or something. Well, well, you talked about how it has to be a final three. That doesn't even make sense because you would think that they would want four people in the finale for a final three. That's usually what a Australian survivor does. They don't, they're not US star, what the two boots. and fire and everything, I hope. So if they need that, then they need a double boot in the next three episodes,

if my math is correct. And I was kind of hoping what they would do as kind of Heroes versus Villains start what they did and what was it, the Candice Danielle boots? Like if they have a long 70 minute episode. Yeah, put two boats, two boots in one episode, yeah. Just do two rounds, which would be crazy to talk about. I would prefer that, especially in a long episode,

then whatever a double boot will be. I guess it could be a double boot. I wouldn't like that. I don't trust production because I didn't love the one twist they put it to this season. Again, and that's the thing why I've mentioned before. I would much rather do a double boot in the pre-merge when it's just a much more clean and easy method

of both tribes go to tribal council than whatever they have cooked up here. I mean, for what it's worth, again, we're sort of running out of days. Maybe they do something where like it's a one day round where this scroll is, hey, there's no immunity challenge. You know, everyone is vulnerable. Please proceed to tribal council. Do not pass go.

Do not collect 200 JLP dollars. I'm not entirely sure That's true But like there's only so many they can squeeze in here We're really losing out on the calendar right now Which again is a disadvantage of the number of days here And they still have to vote out six people Presumably in four episodes

So yeah I think that I'm All right because they have eight left, you're right So yeah so I think There's not days What day are they on 10? 11, 12, 13, 14, 14th? They just can't vote one out

every day. It just won't want one out every day, Mike. I mean, that's, listen, we watched Survivor South Africa Champions where they basically did that towards the end game. So they thought this was high octane going into this, it's going to get kicked up into like double triple speed. Yeah, but that would make

sense and you do a two day episode but it's like two rounds. I think that works. We don't know. We also have like hour and a half long episode. So I think it was a time to squeeze two boots into one episode, especially if you feel like to your point, if it feels a little bit more

road if for some reason like one of these quote unquote sides is clearly picking off the other, this could be an easy way to do it. Which is absolutely not what's happening in this season. Also, this was like the first shorter episode and I was not happy. Do not deprive me of my time with my favorite thing ever. I want every minute of it. Anyway, my cheesy point. I will give three points to Surrey,

racking up the cheesy points and racking up the votes at the same time. I feel like this helps her a lot. This gets back her investment in the world that she had to sacrifice a bit yesterday and something I thought was better for poverty. She gets it back. She manages it so well. And it is duly orchestrated by her, her and Janine. I'm giving two points to Janine, who I think orchestrates it most and gives the name and it's a good name and is obviously in a bit of spot for it. But I still feel like the focal point is like Surrey and the world. And so I'm giving kind of Surrey that that emphasis of the points to structurally, even though they both do a great job here. I'll give a point to Lisa.

Again, like Surrey and Lisa's relationship is this whole thing. Like they have this protection. that I think is so important. I think this is so good for the world. Tommy, again, we're not seeing as much of, even though I think I am getting a sense of Tommy, and I love Tommy. And then Cass also has the target, which isn't as good. So I'm giving that point to Lisa,

and I think her connection with Cerea is so important. And those are my points. Mike, what are your points? I'm not going to deviate too much from what you've laid out, unlike a lot of people in this episode. We are going to do what they did, and we are sticking to the rules of a common sense here.

I'll also give one point to Lisa because I think she was, at least from our perspective, instrumental in making sure that that Sarri vote didn't go through. She got what she wanted. And also it should be said that when Surrey approaches Lisa and Cass about, hey, do we go for the Janine plan here? Cass is like, no, no, no, it's too risky. She could be tricking us. And Lisa is the one to say, no, this makes more sense. Let's go with it, which was, I think, the correct move. So I will give Lisa one point here. I will give Cerey two points for all the reasons that you mentioned. I think she was yet another very key vote here and the fact that it really seems like she won out in this vote. And again, kind of like forcing Parvety to vote out somebody who very clearly was going to be tied with her for the entirety of the game if she could help it really helped. And maybe something out of the Kirby Playbook could have helped bring Parvety closer to her as well, even if it is, it is. a bit guilty by association plus help forge this connection with my three-pointer for this episode. It's got to be Janine. Maybe it is again a bit of just extening expectations given

the way she's been edited so far, but clearly compared to Luke, she was much more successful of the divide and conquer mission. She got in so well with Surrey. She got in well with Parvety too. I think she really made herself appealing as an individual agent of someone that this group could work with moving forward. And I think that does nothing if not help her stock. I mean, again, much like Luke, she was coming into this episode, having voted either in the minority or out of the loop,

every single vote up to this point. Now it seems like she has hit the vein. She has been able to finally get on the same page as a lot of these other parties. And I am, again, incredibly impressed by the godmother here. So a late search by Janina. I know she got a couple points from the, you know, the last time you and I spoke,

but I feel like, you know, as, as Kirby fell, she rose here as a new power player. Yeah. Well, I'm glad that we are partners who aren't misaligned, like everyone on the season, which is the theme. So we are in sync there. If you want to give Chizzy points to JLP, if some play, I know we have players listening.

Bit on the Chizzy. If you win, you can give yourself Chizzy points, right? Oh, I love that. That is such a great idea. felt you were robbed of the chizzy accolades that you deserve, be the chizzy you wish to see in the world. Go bid, be able to give yourself points. It's expected. We put the motto out there. It's not too self-serving to give yourself points now that the idea has been put out there, you know, donate to a good cause while also giving yourself a well-deserved pat on the bat. What's to

go wrong? Yeah, so forever after rescue, incredible cause. I know that they're excited about this as well, so thank you to everyone who's donated. Remember to keep donating because it's amazing cause, helping cats and winning chizzy points. So players, stands, anyone I've angered with my points, don't complain to me. Do you want to my pet peeve is? And they're not listening to it doesn't matter.

Sometimes, like, you know, like Rob's fact checker will put out the chizzy chart. People will be like, why are these points? And I'll be like, it's in the podcast. I disagree with the podcast, but they don't not listen to the podcast and then get mad about it. Are you telling me the internet doesn't understand a visualization, Shannon. That has never happened in the course of human history. It's just like listen to the podcast. Then disagree all you want. And then donate and then give your own chisbee. Sure. But don't be like, why does this? I'm like, there's actually a lot of

a lot of hours of content to explain why. We at least thought about it. Really, really, it's chase me. Um, tangent. Donate for the chizzy. I'll talk about what I have coming up. I'll think about it at the top of my head because for some reason I don't write it down. I had all the three recap. All the recap bitches. All the recap bitches. All fun. who you, Mike, I'll have a show with Rob all three X interviews this week. I'll be speaking to Sarah and Kirby. Those, Sarah interview should be out when this is out. Kirby will come

as well. Tony was a delight. I don't know if you ever listen to that, definitely do it. I really recommend it because it was the highlight of my life. Would you recommend listening to it or watching it especially? Watching. Watching. People need to see the smile that could not be wiped off your face the entire time.

What it was is that, I couldn't sleep all night. It was like early in the morning, not early. It was early for me. It was like first thing in the morning for me, but I couldn't sleep. And then, like, I got there 10 minutes early and then they got there three minutes late. So for like 13 minutes, my heart is pounding. I'm like, just please get on the call. I can't take this anymore.

There's a fair chance that by the time Tony came on, like, you could have been dead from a heart attack. Literally. It was so concerning. Peter's like, I can hear your voice shaking. And like, oh my God. Yeah, it was just, it was just waiting the whole time. Imagine if they did get on the call and I'm just straight up dead. It could have happened.

It definitely, and the funny thing is that... Is she okay? Is this a bit... Well, Rob texted me. He was like, how was the Tony interview? I'm like, I really recommend watching it. It was really fun. You know, it was a lot. And he's like, well, Tony only has one speed.

I'm like, Tony was chill. I was game change at Tony times 50. So I love that. And that's what I have going on. Thank you to everyone who's listening. Mike, tell the people what you have going on. I've got a lot happening because not to upstage all the grand that's coming with AU versus the world.

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