RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor AU: Australia V World Ep 7 Exit Interview

Episode Date: September 1, 2025

We Know Global Survivor host Shannon Guss chats to the seventh boot of Australian Survivor: Australia V World.

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The adventure of a life. Hello everyone, Shannon Garcia getting you ready for our episode 7 X interview of Australian Survivor, Australia versus the world. If you have not seen the Sunday night episode of week three, episode that aired, I don't know when you're listening to this. First episode of the week, please click away. If you have seen that episode, you're the only people here now, and we're talking about it. You'll know that there were actually two. There should be two ex-interviews. There were two boots that night.

I don't have an ex-interview with Cass at this time. I'm hearing she will be available later in the week, so we will get that to you. as soon as possible, and hopefully we will have it for you. I did get to speak to Tommy. What a joy, Tommy from Finland. I think we all fell in love with Tommy over this season. And anyone who's seen his season in Finland, he's such a fan of the show.

He's such a, he seems like honestly just such a lovely guy. And it was great to talk to him. There was a lot going on in his game. And he had a really great self-awareness of what was happening as well. So wonderful to talk to him about everything from the language barrier to obviously the big move to try and take that shot on Parvite and everything that went down with that crazy episode. We have the recap with Chappelle that is up.

The recap with Puyah might be up for the Monday night episode about now. We'll have a recap with Mike as well. Then the reaction episode with Rob and hopefully more ex-interviews to come through the week. Hope you're enjoying all of this. Subscribe. We know global survivor.com so you don't miss anything. Follow me as Shannon Gates as well so that you don't miss all of that. And remember to donate to the cheesy raffle.

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That could be a cute gift as well. What a fun surprise. Hey, I donated on your behalf and now you're giving chisie points. Just a fun idea as well. There'll also be a finale party that Zach Sinclair is hosting to watch the finale next Sunday night at Zetland Hotel for the Sydney fans. I don't know if I'll be able to make it, but it's always a great group. So we just wanted to shout that out as well.

But for now, I will leave you with my interview with Tommy, and hope you enjoy it. Tommy from Finland, what an honor. I watch you so much in the last couple of months. And now I'm speaking to you. I feel like I'm in my TV. Don, it's so nice to meet you. I really appreciate the effort to go through a Finnish season of Survivors just to know who I am. I will take my hat off for you.

Thank you so much. It was well worth it. Between us, no offense to Sammy. You were robbed. I would have voted for you. And that would have been enough. because you had a tie. But genuinely, it was great to watch you play then.

It was great to what you play now. I think you've stolen Australia's hearts. And I have many, many questions for you if you're willing to answer them. Can I jump from here? I just want to say for you that, like, one thing to playing with the legends that you don't see it from cameras, like as a super fan,

is to talk to Tim about the game that we all love. And, like, I know that I was robbed with Sammy, but I learned this term with poverty and Tony and those people which was like it wasn't my jury it's just like it can happen you can play the greatest game but it's like Eurovision they sometimes want something different and every jury is different so no bitter for Sammy he was deserved winner of our season

and it was now my time to go also from Australia versus the world yeah I mean I agree with you I would have been your jury, Tommy. You played a kind of game that I definitely really enjoyed. But I'd love to talk about some of the legends that you played with. I'd love to talk about those international alliance you had with Cass and with Lisa. Tell me about how that formed in your relationships with them. It formed me in like very first day in the beach.

I think it was a known fact that like there's this all-time crates in our team, the US team. and then we know every player from the Australian tribe but the common thing with me, Lisa and Cassie that we are the underdogs and if we are not going to, if we don't want to be picked one by one we have to unify and we have to play together but in this season also as we have seen there is some star-struck moment

like as we have seen with Lisa and Siri also with me and Tony which wasn't maybe seen on TV and I know that Cass was also eager to play with poverty in the world tribe and that pattern keep on going when the merch happened. There wasn't many people coming to me that like, oh my God,

it stole me from Finland, can I play with you? But we could see that happened with Kirby and poverty, that happened with Sarah who's super fan. She's also experienced now that she's in the same pitch with poverty and Siri and might have a moment to play with them. Also

with Shawnee and poverty, that's kind of the shondon that people want. I think that people wanted Shawnee and Finland. I think that that would have been great, Sean, as well. But in this relationship that you had with Lisa and Cass, as you said, they very much had this girl's thing as well.

And I love how you all kind of had your proxy, your US proxy, you all had like a perfect one-to-one. How did that work? Like, how much did you feel you were prioritized compared to Surin Parve for Lisa and Cass? Yeah, who do you think was on the back foot there in that relationship? I don't know, but like, I still, I always can only talk about from my perspective.

And the biggest mistake in the last episode was how isolated the Australians were. But that's also the same thing, which wasn't so well managed by Cass and Lisa with me. Because as the numbers go down and we vote out Sarah and we vote out Kirby, I'm always the fifth or third person. And of course, in this kind of like all-star season, I also want to have some game for my own. in the world tribe after Rob left that's really like unified us like the first tribe I usually do it doesn't have anything to do with who is going home

but after that we were getting those victories and we were really unified as a tribe my work was to like keep Tony's madness in the minimum that like I was the one who was like talking to him like no no no don't worry too much about the like Girls Alliance and like we can have this, we are the guys, the merch is coming, then we will jump the boat

and, like, go against poverty with all the Australians and that kind of stuff. It did well for the, like, until it was time for the last tribal, and with all the shoe stuff going on on his neck, I wasn't anymore like keeping Tony's madness in the minimum. But also, in that point, I was doing work for Pinky Alliance. I was, like, talking that, like, I know I want to go with you guys. I don't mind being there with poverty and Siri because if we have five people left I can switch the situation with

Pinky Alliance, three against two. But then also when we went to merge, I was doing my role in the World Tribe and splitting the boat between Chanin and Sarah also with the Kirby. But in some point, I also have to have my own game and have my case

for the jury. I already know how to outclass people, but I want to be there for the victory. And this kind of season, and you have to have some moves in you. Like, from my perspective, Cass was the one who pitched the idea about Kirby for me. So I knew that, like, she has already Kirby, that she can at least, like, talk for jury.

Like, I obviously now saw how big part of Chanin was also the Kirby vote. But that's why I needed something to go for me. And therefore, I know Lisa and Cass can say still to this day that like damn you told me how we had a good thing going also the series saying the same thing but like why did you want to go something else than shoney of course i wanted like what is the moment that i will break the pattern pattern that i won't be fifth in the pinky alliance or 50 in the women's alliance so yeah i agree with you you have to make the move to win you and cast know that just getting to the end not to win is you've already done it as you said you

you don't need to do that again so i completely agree with that mentality did you have your own personal relationship with Surrey? Were you working with Surrey as well, or was it more through Katz and Lisa? We had good talks with Siri also, and I think the rob boat was something that after that poverty came to me and we really realized that we didn't talk at all before the Rob talk. But with Siri, that wasn't the case that we had a really good and ensuring talk that I think Siri was even worried in the first vote that I'm plotting something against her or something like that was never the case and we had a good talk and I could ensure her that like I'm not

going against the US players in the first tribal. Yeah. Well, let's talk about that double tribal council where you walk in with the necklace and you leave going home or to jury villa. I mean, I understand the want to go for poverty and make your remark on the game. But talk me through that whole night. I feel like that was a crazy. crazy night. Can you talk me through your perspective on it? So I will surely say that there's no ball effect which happened after the merge. I didn't have much to play with as I was like the fifth part of the women alliance. I was with the Tony two against four.

Then the situation happens that in the auction I see the scroll, I bet all my money on it because I don't have key. I don't have individual idol. I need something. Then after auction, day after, the situation is that like poverty pulls me aside in the camp and she's offering me those beautiful chocolate cookies that we see on the show. I was like, okay, we are playing together now, I assume, but I was just falling for the black videos met in that moment because I was like, okay, if I have something to work with poverty, we could make the move against Cass. That would be also in my best interest because

Cass is challenged beast and I'm always going against her and the poverty. And I was thinking to poverty that like wouldn't you want to compete those challenges without Cass? And that would be already a good move in my game to go against my original alliance and that's kind of the like moves

that we want to see this season and even without Cass I would have Lisa and Lisa is really close with series so I could have still be numbers without Pinky Alliance well when we come back to challenge not Cass just want

it, like in the episode that Kirby is going home, but she also confronts me in the jungle when we go thinking, like, who are we going to vote against? And she goes straight to me, Tommy, I heard from poverty that you want to vote me out. And not just that, like, I'm hearing my name in the jungle. The whole thing that, like, poverty had told straight just hours after I have pitched that idea to cast, that I want to go against cast. It was true. And I have to do a lot of damage control in that episode and just go along with the girls and vote for Kirby. But it's also still the situation bubbling under that I'm Tommy from Finland.

I want to make my moves and they are not going for me. So that's why when the poverty didn't win the immunity challenge. And I had the security of the individual. I was like, I can go now against anyone with this immunity necklace. So I'm thinking like, let's go now against poverty because already, Yesterday, Cass had her time with Kirby, and now is my time to, like, pull Pinky Alliance. We have been doing a lot of things that I've been just like,

I'm on board and I'm in the talks, but they are not my moves. So I need to have something which is my move and take my case to jury in the final episode. So let's go against poverty. And I made the most of the situation. I tried to talk to Cass. I tried to talk to Lisa, make the reasoning.

And I was surprised that I couldn't persecute them enough to make the move before we left the camp the tribal council I realized that Lisa also said to me that's a good move let's do it but I'm not voting with you guys and I was like how is that working

I don't have the numbers then I have nothing and I was talking to Luke and saying that like I have something going on but I can't give him the name because then it's they are throwing me under the bus and

the big problem in that episode that I went home is not well the one thing is that it was a double tribal and I only have necklace for the first tribal but it was also the fact that we isolated the Australians

really badly and we didn't manage the situation in the beach. They were five against three and because none of us was playing with them they had to make their own game and they made it beautifully and executed it even more beautiful way. How did Cass feel about the poverty vote

if Lisa was a little not on board, how did Cass receive it? Cass wasn't on board. Cass wasn't on board at all. Oh. Like she was on, she was on board, but when she also realized Lisa wasn't on board,

the back down. And I remember that, like, I was super aggressive on the beats almost. Like, I remember just like moments before we have to leave. I was still going to guys like, Cass, what are you doing?

If you want to win this thing, we have to make big moves. And she was just going to like, It's not good in my, it's my, I remember the sentence that she said to me was like, Tommy, I understand you. I understand why it's good for you game, but it's not good for my game in this moment. So that was also a good sentence to say me because we are a lion's. And as I wasn't already getting Lisa on board and like Cass is also pulling down, I was like, okay, then I'm making like, let's not do it. Like, I got to do it alone.

And that's why when the tribal started and Luke started to talk as he made those lies and everything about we going against Syria, which was never the case and that kind of stuff. With the security of the immunity necklace, I was kind of my high horse in that moment. And that's why I was in the silence in the first tribal. I was there just like, told you guys, like, we should have done some moves, maybe not my moves, but some moves. Going against Shawnee in this kind of season, five against three, we can't underestimate these Australians players that they just like lay down against us, like Sarah, Kirby, Shawnee, Janine, Luke and go like that. And I was there thinking that like, let's do this tribal, do damage control,

get back to camp and it's leave for another day, which never happened. Yeah. So we're going into that tribal council walking in where you still, you were voting Shawnee because it hadn't worked out you weren't voting for poverty walking into the tribal council yeah like with the shorthy vote in the first tribal

the most important stuff was that like I thought in that moment that I'm going back to camp I knew that like we are not like we are not getting shown in this vote that's not never going to happen but to me going to poverty

and Siri and saying that I was never against them it's not going to happen if I'm voting for poverty So I have to vote for Shoney and do my best to show in actions that my mouth is where my action is. It wasn't. But that would have been the case with the Shoney boat to go back with Shari and poverty and say that, like, Luke is doing a lot of things saying that we are going against Siri, which never happened. And we are going against poverty, which never happened, even if it happened. But with Shoney boat, I could tell her that, like, this is the case.

I was always with you. But what had the three of you agreed on as of your final? conversation before the tribal council was it to go for poverty or was it to stick strong with poverty and surrey i was used my strong language now and i said i said before the tribal like fuck it let's go for shorny i would like yeah and that's why i like that's why i was quiet in the tribal i talk i talked hours in that like not hours but like whole time on that beach i tried to make the work against poverty and they they were eager to just go on it so i was like i'm I'm giving up, like, I can do this by myself.

Yeah, well, that's, I thought you were going in voting for poverty, so that is a big change. Did you know about the key? Like, how much did you know about Parvety's podium idol and the key and the box and everything that Lisa and Cass knew about? I didn't know about that. I had a lot of talks with Tony. Like, I remember the, like, in the episode we were talking about those little sticks. We were also talking a lot about little sticks in the. camp. And before the tribal night, when Tony left home, I think it was that one, he woke me up

like 2 a.m. I was like full of sleep. And he was like eager to keep fire going on. I was like, everyone is sleeping. What are we doing with the fire? I was like super sleepy. He pulls me aside in the jungle. We are there, beach black jungle just like picking up wood for the firework. And I'm like, why did we do when it was daylight? And then we start to talk about the little sticks in the middle of the night, did you notice how poverty wanted us to gather little sticks in the day? And he was super eager also in that moment about the idea that poverty is having the key. And I had many talks with Tony about the immunity idol also that we knew that it's somewhere in our beach.

And I knew that I didn't have any of those. And I was like 98% that Tony didn't have those idle or key because the talks that we had in the beats. But that was like my poker moment in the season in the second tribal when Tony pulled that necklace off and everything. I was like, I'm going to look so stupid if I go home now when

Tony pulls his immunity idol. But if I'm voting for Siri and leaving here without Tony, it's even worse for my game. So he was so convincing in that tribal. And this was something like, well, many of a survivor player have ever experienced

their tribe made to go with the tribal in the shoe in their neighbor. Like, we don't have that kind of triples in Finland. So I was like, they're, this feel different. This feels really convenient. Like, I trust the guy, but like, I can't trust the guy. So I have to, like, see his bluff and it was a bluff. But I also trusted my Pinky Alliance more.

I knew that they might have information about the idol or key, which is not in their position. and they are just like holding another people's secret but I thought that if they have the key or the idol they would share that information so shame on you Cass I thought that we had something so I trust those are with poverty and Siri based on that fact yeah well how much did the language barrier affect things for you

I mean it's so impressive that you and Cass are playing out there with native English speakers I watched your season with English subtitles and that was tricky to me what was it like playing the game how did it affect things there were many moments one being that there were some

information that I didn't pay attention for enough like Rob was telling me already in camp that did you know that poverty and David have a like TV show together we didn't have deal or no deal

island in Finland now I know what it is but like I have no idea what that was in that moment yeah yeah that's kind of thing So, and of course, with this, like, TV show stars that we are playing with, we were talking a lot about traitors, like Tony's season, series season, the survivors, and that kind of stuff. So that kind of, like, went from my one ear to other with Tony's traders talk and, like, yeah, people have seasons and TV shows and that kind of stuff. I'm a radio presenter also myself. So I didn't, like, know the information strategically for that information, yeah.

and the another thing is that like your brain is constantly working in different language so that's taking the toll with the time different than everything so like in the tribal I always understood everything but another thing

was like when I opened my mouth my tongue tongue wasn't working like I could start the sentence and never finish it with like any good reason I was like yeah I'm not working in these hours anymore. And we were talking a lot with Cass that even when doing confessions,

it really made it different, like, what time of the day it was. And it wasn't like a good 10 a.m. or 3 p.m. It's just like in this time of the moment, I have energy in my body. You're not eating well. You're not drinking well. You're not sleeping well. And there are sometimes that you are just tired of everything that is happening around you. but they're translating in that moment and brain going in this, I could stalk slower, but I never do. So my mouth is really having problems sometimes following my brain.

I relate to that. Well, I think your arguments in English was so great when Cass went and you were appealing to the other side. I would have gone with it personally, much like your jury, Tommy. I would have been on board, okay? If you're appealing to me, I'm there, but it was great to have you on a straight and survive. I want to congratulate you.

I know you've recently had a child as well. Thank you. And it's been so much fun to get to know you over the last couple of months. Thank you so much for coming on to the podcast. Thank you, Shannon. So much love for you and your work, what that you do for the fans. Thank you. Thanks, Tommy.

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