RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor AU: Australia V World Ep 7 Recap

Episode Date: August 31, 2025

We Know Global Survivor host Shannon Guss is recapping every episode of Australian Survivor: Australia V World. Tonight, she and Chappell discuss everyone's end games, the episode's production decisions and who's in a good spot now.

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Hello, everyone, for Australia for Australia and I'm going to on a Sunday night about another big episode

episode seven we had two boots tragically taken from the game we had a lot going on and to talk about it I have doesn't I always have here

starting the week. It is Chappelle Shelwell. Thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. I came in very excited. I'm very excited to talk about this obviously, but I'm very sad because I think our draft took a big hit over here on the on the world side today. Yeah, I mean, God, I hadn't even thought about it. And I was like, oh my God, everything's about even now. This is crazy. No, I had Tommy. I have no one. Oh, you can you did not Tommy. Yeah. You did have Tommy. I thought we got all the world people, but you got one person. You

did get Tommy. That is true. Tommy and Tony. You got Johnny and George. Yeah. Yeah. It just wasn't a great episode for the world, I guess I should say. And man, I, that's the thing. Talking about this episode which always makes me think, okay, now let's talk about the implications for next episode, but we got so much to talk about in this episode too. So I'm ready. Yeah. I mean, look, as you said, the world took a beating. It was a world war here. And I feel like this was a terrible episode for me for everyone other than poverty. Poverty comes out of this in such a good spot. I'm like, did poverty just win this season? Because she gets out of this to the final six

with both trinkets. She has Surrey without an escape raft now. Surrey loses her other option, I think a better option in having the world. And now it's kind of forced to go with her. And even if she wasn't forced to go with her from a numbers perspective, she's very, very protected if she would ever try to take her out. Parvety's so protected. She takes out her biggest endurance threat for a final four of a final immunity challenge. Like she's just, and I think she beats anyone if she gets to the Yeah, and, like, poverty is in such a good spot. She had good read. She chose the best possible targets.

And I think everyone else kind of missed it in different ways, between the two votes in some capacity. So coming in very high on poverty, the cheesy points, I was like, she should get, like, 20. And everyone else was like a very, it was a soft too. And you'll, yeah, so I don't know. I love this season of television because as I talked about last time, I did gain, like, even further respect for Tony,

watching him play from a level of adversity or whatever. like, Parvety, she, to me, after watching this, Slady might be the best whoever did it. You know, she might be the best, like, across the world. And I mean that across every continent, whatever. I don't know, I haven't seen everybody's games, but I've seen enough of Parvety to see that I've seen her play from basically every position.

I've seen her play at the top leading an alliance and leading them to the end. I've seen her, she comes into almost every season with a target on her back. Not the first one, but Micronesia. She's not exactly the person everybody wants to play with at first. She builds an alliance from there. Heroes versus Villains.

She's on the back foot the entire time. She's fighting for her life and winters a war. And here, she has been basically the hottest commodity out here on that tribe to get out to some extent. You know, right? And see, even when we hit the merge, I know Surrey's been getting a lot of votes. But the heat's been on poverty, it's just been falling on Surrey. And so to see her in this episode where they're trying to get her and we're seeing just incredible reads,

like the best instinct. She's got so much experience playing the game at this point, too, where it's like she can tell when things are off. She can tell when things are good. She can tell when she can trust somebody. She's very shrewd. But then also physically, we know that she's like one of the best endurance competitors.

She's won so many immunity challenges. She can find idols. She has a great social game when she wants to have one. I don't have a lot of negatives in the part like Survivor Baseball card. I don't find the flaw in this woman. When it comes to Survivor, she can do it all. She doesn't necessarily do it all all the time,

but she can do it all. I was so impressed she might be the best to whoever did it. Well, I mean, it's high praise, but it is a great episode. I feel like, I mean, if you go through these different factions, these voting blocks of three that are working kind of a triangle, the worlds get decimated. That speaks for itself and we'll talk about it. The Australians do well on the first vote.

taking out Cass on the first vote, that's great. They get themselves as the three in the middle of two-toes, which is a great spot to be. But then when they didn't take the shot on Surrey and Poverty, when Tommy's giving them a great pitch about like, just do it. Like, if she plays an idol, like Tommy's getting that on the bounce back. So it's such a good opportunity, even if you can't split, even if like Lisa won't split on Poverty and Surrey, there was so much opportunity for that for to do something. And they take out, not just that they don't take up Poverty or Sari. They take out Tommy when, like, and like, and At the very least, they got Lisa as like an option for Surrey in this block.

So I feel like they did really well and then it fell away on something really simple. And we can talk about the twist because it's like, how much do I blame them? And how much do I blame the twist rushing through a pivotal final seven vote? But I still feel like it should have been instinctive. And then for poverty and Surrey, I feel like it's great for them as a duo, but is something that's great for them as a duo great for Surrey? Can Surrey be poverty at the end? I mean, I think maybe controversially, it's the hottest topic in, you know,

survivor history with Surrey of one. I think Surrey beats Parvety in the Micronesia Final Three. But I don't know that she beats her in this season because Parvety comes in as poverty, like this fully formed icon and Surrey is somehow still underestimated. And I think if Parvety gets to the end with that reputation, you kind of got to give it to her. I mean, there's pros and cons to their game, which we can talk about. Actually, not a lot of cons.

There are pros to both games. But Parvety, I think, comes there with the edge. We've always wanted to see Sorrii talk about a tribal council. Maybe she could get it done. But it's not a great spot for her. And she's kind of cornered now. So poverty comes in with all the options With all the agency

And I don't feel like anyone else does Like how do the Aussies get to a point Where there a three Against Poverty, Surrey But Ceres still has Lisa And Poverty still has two trinkets That they even know about Like I don't think that's great

And I think that a lot of power To do something a lot better At that final seven vote So yeah, criticisms abound For everyone but Poverty here for me Absolutely. I think that Like you're 100% correct

The Ozzy's completely biffed the second vote because what are you doing? Now you have, the world still has the, like, they have Lisa, basically, as the third for them. And, like, you put yourself in a position where they can just pull somebody. Like, you could have been had the numbers on the, on the U.S., basically, right here, by just taking out one of them, blushing one of poverty stings, things. It would have been pretty cool. You could have knocked it out.

You got Tommy around, who's not the biggest threat around, you know? Like, don't get me wrong, he's a scrappy player. We see him have a really good immunity challenge. But this was definitely the time to split this alliance up of part. poverty and Surrey because they have no issue, at least Parvety has no issue going to the end with Surrey. So I definitely did not support that. But as far as Parvety goes, it's not even the reputation I think that wins her this season if she gets to the end. It's everything that she's even done with that reputation. Parvety comes in with the reputation that she's poverty.

But then in the game, she didn't just rest on her name being Parvety. She has found an advantage. She has found an idol. She has won an immunity challenge. She has played where she has been targeted and flip boats actively at Tribal Council. Like, she's doing the things that you give people credit for. The resume is building and expanding, and it's such a flashy game. Like, it's such a flashy game to where I don't have to tell you everything I did at Tribal Council. I don't have to argue with Sarin. Surrey can say whatever she wants, but look at all the stuff that I did, and you all got to

experience it. You know, I was the one who made sure that Cass mistakenly played the idol for Lisa. You know, like she made sure she used her advantage and lied about how it was used. This lady was, I mean, look at the material. You could be the judge of it. There's no reason why poverty should be making it to the end because she will beat everybody, but it's also damn near impossible to get her out at this point. So, yeah, good luck.

I know A.U is famous for our long endurance challenges that we have, these grueling challenges standing up on the spikes. And I'm picking poverty over everybody on this. that. Getting cast out this round was so perfect for her. That's her biggest threat in the game to win those immunities. And she gets her out with an idol. It's crazy. It's like, ah, man. So I'm looking at Surrey and I'm thinking, the girl, what you're going to do now? You know, I love my girl, but you run out of options. There's not a lot of places to go. I agree. I'm like, what's the plan? And I do think poverty played an excellent game. I'm not saying that it would

just be based on reputation. But I also think that Saria's had a lot of great stuff. She's been the connected to the world. They've both had an aura that has brought people in. I just think that if you also add to the fact that poverty came in as like the first name, kind of like you didn't hear as versus villains, that's very, very impressive to me. The same way that, you know, Tony came in to winners a war is a big name, and that's very impressive. And we said from the preseason, if someone sits next to a big name, it's going to be hard to beat that big name, let alone the game that Parvety has played. So if you let her get to that point, whether you're or someone else

everyone else at this point there's a big big X for me you know not great but then how much you put on the twist like how much is it everyone's fault or how much is it like they didn't have time to think about it here because that pivotal vote is being rushed through here

no I don't give them that I don't give them that Tommy is very clearly not the biggest threat on the board here if you're going to take one out it's very clear that poverty has an idol She doesn't know that Luke has an idol, so it's not like she could just reach over and still his. And so that idol can only save one of them. You vote for whichever one you think she's not going to play it for,

and then whoever they play it for will go home, and that's Tommy. So I think the Australians are really never supposed to eliminate Tommy here. He's nowhere near the jury threat that Parvety would be. He hasn't played that flashy game, and it still leaves Sarie and Parvety in the game together, and they are willing, at least Parvety is willing to go all the way to the end with Surrey. And so, you know, I just feel like they got a bifted, you know, and don't even wrong. It is a twist where they're moving very quickly and they're doing the challenge and there's a lot going on.

But this season was already going to be accelerated. This happens in Survivor, AU quite often, actually. This is not a new occurrence in AU where they just like do some, okay, quick firemaking, quick something, you know? So I was like, eh, it's kind of within the bounds of what we are used to seeing here. This wasn't the most outlandish thing I've ever seen. We've seen some kind of stuff like this before in U.S. Survivor where it's like, okay, we're not even going to go back to camp yet. Yeah, exactly.

So I'm like, eh, I didn't think this was too out of bounds. This twist was not the twistiest twist by any means. It's just, I think they kind of were just feeling safe. I think that the Aussies have now, they're not, their back isn't against the wall anymore. So now they're just like, oh, let's just get through one more vote. Let's get to one more vote. Let's just get to one more vote. And they're just trying to make it through because at any second now, you know, there's a world where

Parvety, Sarie, Lisa, and Tommy say, all right, well, we got Cass out. Let's get it back. Let's get the bad back together. And they can't risk that. They can't risk the four of them actually being like, no, I think we want Johnny out again. Or I think we want Janine out again. They really need to maintain their numbers. They're Aussie strong.

So they're like, we'll just go whatever you want anybody but us. Well, and that was so safe. I think even Janine says, like, let's do the safe thing. But, like, Luke is immune. The worlds have just voted out one of their own. Like, this is the perfect time to strike. And you have to play to win. And again, you have Tommy.

on the bounce back of an idol it does take away you know the subtlety of doing it obviously you're doing it in front of people at a tribal council it makes it you know it can't be like a delicate vote so i think i don't give grace to the Australians because i feel like it should be so instinctive to take that shot and seven is so important you have so much power i give a little bit more grace to sari so re is delicate so re might have might have thought to come for poverty to seven at a regular seven but doing it now here in all of that she can't she can't or coordinate that because that's actually like a big thing to do and she would need to be like a day to work that magic.

So I think that that made it really tough for Surrey. The Australians, I think, can be like, hey, three of us right now on Surreal Carve and have the bounce back be on Tommy or not at all would have been great to at least take out a trinket if not actually one of that duo. So I don't give a lot of grace.

But I think the show, the show got a little lucky because seven is a conventional flip point. You would have hated for eight to be continuing some sort of like EU slaughter Shawnee goes home and then instead of a big flip happening at seven you continue down that line

because people are so kind of as we know like when Twister thrown out people do become conservative and you would hate for that seven times but because Tommy wanted to make the move at 8 which actually kind of get for Tommy that big flip had happened and then now we run down the line but honestly like the season is too good

to just rush through congongies that would otherwise not happen I don't think so I wish they could have just used another day Why can't the season be 17 days? Is anyone not doing it for 17 days? I would rather just take the day and make those two rounds in, you know, the same episode. But this is what we got.

And I think it doesn't behoove the show because people do tend to be more conservative. And it's voting out Tommy was in no one's best interest but poverty. But honestly, it's not that surprising that they just continue down the line because in panic, that's what people do. Yeah, you play a little bit tighter whenever you get the twist. We talked about it before. But I agree. I think, like, if I'm looking at Serene and she's the mastermind that I want her to be,

Sarit, in my mind, she probably won't make the move on Parvety here. It's a little, like you said, it's too out in front, it's right in front of Parvety. Parvety's got the idol. Like, there's you can't take that shot directly at her. But Sarit can circle the wagons. If she's able to say, Parvety, we need Lisa and Tommy for one more vote. We need them.

Let's get out one of the Aussies. We'll go for Shawnee. We'll go for Luke. We'll go for Janine. You know, maybe you convince the Australians to vote for Tommy. We see that they do. You know, and then maybe Luke, if he plays his idol, that's still a Tommy vote, you know, that ends up happening if Luke is the one that you target. But I think that if you have a little more time, where he says, oh, yeah, Luke is immune.

Well, let's see, and that's another reason why, too, I guess, because with Luke having that extra idol, if he chooses to play it, which it doesn't seem like he's going to play it for anybody else, unless it really comes down to it. But here's the thing. She could definitely circle the wagons and say, hey, Shawnee's here, Janine's here. Why not? Let's take one more of those out. We'll deal with Tommy later.

What's he going to do? Flip to their side? Okay, fine. let him go and he can be it'll still be you know Lisa Parvety and or maybe they don't want to leave Lisa in that spot maybe that's what it is who knows maybe they don't want to leave Lisa in the decision making spot because if Tommy they leave Tommy alive they get rid of Shawnee Tommy basically flips at that point and then Lisa is allowed to flip at that point too

and they leave Parvety and Surrey on the outs maybe that's what they're avoiding I don't know it just felt like like losing Tommy here like you said it serves parvety and so I do commend Parvety on making sure that that was what happening but everybody else in the game is really hurt by like this option being gone you know Tommy was somebody who was willing to play with the Aussies he's like hey pick me I'm ready let's go

and they leave them out to dry and so now what are we at a 3-3 split at 6 with the world versus the Aussies and Harmony has some trinkets that is going to be really hard to avoid so yeah she put herself in a really good spot I don't know even though it probably wasn't by design it still worked out in her favor

I mean, it's by design in that it's that instinctive correct read of like Tommy's coming for me and he doesn't serve my game at all. Let me keep it strong and keep working this down whereas like having those different options gives more capacity to take up poverty, which is good for everyone who's not poverty. But in terms of like taking out an Aussie for Surrey, I mean Tommy's not even coming to her, which is hard. Poverty should just take out Tommy. So that's hard to convince like we know that that misalignment of allies has been such a big part of the season and like those different intentions and those different values hard to do it in the moment with like a 10 minute tribal council 10 minutes

after poverty has been like I might play my idol on me or on sorry I was like okay thank you so much will you also do a suboptimal vote for you so that I could later vote you out so that I could try out of lines that you're right yeah 15 minutes yeah I think that makes I think it puts Surrey in a very very tough spot because any funny business of not just going with what poverty wants because the thing is if Surrey wants to get to the end with poverty then this is good Let them go to six with Lisa and drink it short. It's great for the duo, but that's not good for Surrey.

The only reason Surrey would do that is if she wants the capacity to take out Pardy later and still have options and still have a bit of this escape hatch. And Poverty can read that and it's really hard to do that on site. So I think that it makes it a very tough spot for Ceree because she'd have to be kind of breaking away from that duo in like a very public way without any of the time to finesse it. And look, I'm very biased when it comes to Ceree. We all know this.

I've never pretended not to be. And so I'm very happy to extend her grace that this was moving a little too fast. You know, she didn't have time to work a little magic or whatever. So poverty's right there saying basically like, hey, it's me and you. And I got my idol to protect us. So yeah, it's going to be very hard for her to be like, all. Hey, y'all, let's take the shot. You know, let's try to do a split or something like that.

You know, like it's just not, it's not something that she's going to have a capacity to do at that moment. Yeah, this would have been nice if it was better But I mean longer But honestly, Shannon, I know the sample size is small But I don't know man I know we like we hated when Survivor like Okay, so it annoys me that Survivor AU is a billion days long It annoys me that some seasons are even longer than that

It annoys me that Like US proper has now gone down to less days But even less days at this point It's kind of cooking every episode I know y'all said let's go back up. Let's increase the amount of days. What do we decrease the day? No, let's make you a weekend.

Yeah. Yeah, every season of Survivor is like Survivor Philly. It's a day and a half. You know, like, but the people are moving at such a fast pace, Shannon, I'm really enjoying that it's almost like a breakneck speed. And I think it's encouraging them to be a little bit more reckless because time is of the essence. It's not like, oh, I got a couple weeks to figure this. I was like, no, you got to have this done today.

You have to have this done tomorrow or else. And a lot of the moves, I think, are being made because they're under the gun. Yeah, and I think we said about something like Survivors South Africa Champions was 27 days, but they merged on like day 19. They had like a normal merge and then like from a 39 day season. And then they just went to travel council every day. And what we really saw was a separated skill level. And the people who did well in the season and the eventual winner, they kept up, you know.

But other people started falling away very. quickly and I think we saw that in this episode like poverty's instincts were very good and so we had something very complicated and pull it off and honestly the Australians had something not that complicated and they still didn't do the right thing I think so I think that we see that speed catching up to people and we did think that that would separate I mean to talk about it from the Australians like let's not go through the first vote was good right the first vote it's like yeah like before I get to the second the second last part of not even the half but like last part of this to get to the three two two I

I think makes sense. Like to get to the seven in that cabat. This is why the Tommy Bo was so annoying because I gave them so much power. I think they have the right read on, you know, well, I mean, both sides do want to work with it. But I will say, I don't have a lot of hard and fast rules in Survivor, really.

I'm like, to me, it's quite dynamic. The harder fast rule that will always play out, people hate, never do this. People hate when you come to them last minute with a plan. It never works. No one else is ever like, oh my God, thank you so, so much. Yes, I will do what you want. People feel cornered.

they feel attacked they instinctively push back we've seen it multiple times this year even that's what happens with the australians tommy last minute lisa's giving them dodgy information they don't like it luke verifiably uses it and then also like works in the he said she said from last episode they do very well here before it falls off a cliff in 20 minutes from now see i disagree i think that you know this is the the last minute move is like out of the rob cisternino playbook you know that's the okay uh really quickly, like, let's just vote out Christy and they're like, okay, bet, you know, like, so we've seen it work. I don't think the hard of fast...

Well, to be fair, on the Chrissy thing, Rob came up with that late and then was like, should we just do this? And they were like, yeah, like, they all came to that conclusion kind of together at that time. There's a difference between we've seen multiple times even in like in 48 where people are like, I have this plan, but I'm going to corner them. And the thing is, Tony does do this well. Tony, we've seen, like, I think even as with the Sophie vote,

Tony's a unicorn. You need a lot of finesse. It is not 100%, but very, very often, especially with players with big personalities like this, that if you tell them something last minute in a way that feels like you're trying to trap them because, let's be honest, you are. Instead of saying, thank you so much, my savior, I'll do that.

They say, screw you. Screw this, yeah. I don't like feeling attacked, and then they come back at you. That happens so often. It is a very hard move to pull off, I think. I think there's a rule that's like even worse than this one. that was broke, a cardinal sin here. If you are going to tell the people

that you're going to vote, you don't tell them you're not voting with them. You don't tell them you're not voting with them. That moment, I didn't either. And so we saw Lisa do it. You know, she told the Aussie's like, hey, we're doing the poverty thing. Ben, okay, cool. And I'm like, okay, Lisa, walk away. And she's like, yeah, by the way, I'm not going to do that with you.

I'm like, oh, God. You know, like, this is, I mean, this is, this is rule number like three on the survivor rule book. You got to vote with the alliance because then people are going to know they can't trust you. And very quickly, it just kind of exposes her. But what's worse is that Lisa's play here to like say like, oh, well, y'all, I can't, y'all vote for poverty. I'm going to sit this one out, but we still going to have a little thing, get together. Like, that's fun. If it works, it rarely works, rarely, rarely works. I can think of like, maybe twice that it's ever worked. But, like, in this situation, it completely tanks the world's game. It doesn't really

tank Lisa's game, but it's the reason why they're on the back foot in this. They have this ammo now against them because Lisa's like, oh yeah, I'm not with you. I'm showing you a thing, but I'm not all the way with you. And so that gives them license to be like, all right, well, since you're not with us, let's blow it up a little bit. And so we go into tribal council and all of this is happening around Lisa. The room is kind of spinning. You know, it's like, oh, God, what's happened? What have I done? And it leads Lisa to a situation where she's watching her allies go out one by one, and it's because of something that she did. You know, if she hadn't done this, maybe they're able to pass the poverty vote off

as like, okay, we got the number, let's play it cool, but it gets really weird, you know, after they try to make the move on poverty, and then we see Tass will go here. And then Tommy's next on the chopping block, it is largely not their fault, at least we're not given that, that it was like, okay, the world was about to flip and, you know, poverty caught on because of them. we get like the vibe that poverty caught on because of Lisa and then Luke kind of throws Lisa under the bus at tribal council the moment her name comes up like yeah she's been acting

sketchy you know like and so it really I feel like this was the sin you know that did Lisa end in this episode yeah I mean Kirby does something like this without telling her allies in the first vote she throws a decoy vote and it was not well received it was not well received it's a tough one the decoy vote thing is hard if you can make people feel like it's part of a plan where like I'm going to be a spy for us there might be something there but for Lisa it's like I'm not going to do it so I can maintain my relationships okay puppets like you do what I want and I'm going to have my cake and eat it too and people don't like that

either and I think what was high for Lisa's is it was so verifiable serri says it's one of the things where it's like Luke wouldn't make up something like so convoluted now there's like actually so much information so it's like you don't vote that way you actually get nothing you don't vote that way so now you've pissed them off the people you're meant to vote with. But also they can come back and be like, you know, Lisa said that here is word for word what she said that she's fully backing it, but she's not going to vote that way to try to get one over on you. Now, they're not in with you either. It's a massive half measure. Lisa got caught between these two worlds, Australia v. Worlds, in a very complicated way. It was

about turning really on Surrey or being with the world tribe, the internationalers that have been so important to her. And I think she got caught between a rock and a hard place. But I do think you have to choose the rock or the hard place. You know, either you go to, and poverty and tell them so they can use their trinkets because you also know that poverty has something so it's like I'm not going to vote with you but I verifiably know about it

and I didn't fill you in when you could have used an idol like that's not loyal in any capacity so you choose a side either you go with them or you just do go with the internationals but yeah that wasn't the way to do it that was not it was a very unfortunate day for Lisa

like I know that like people have said like Lisa reminds me of it like we have some synergy and I was channeling her and I was like I was emotional. He was like why are you crying? I'm like because I'm sorry about to vote out Lisa like the idea of that just broke my heart into pieces

and on the one hand I'm like oh that will crush me on the other hand I'd be like I'd like to get voted out by Surrey you know like I would like I would like I think I think I was like if it leads to her to victory then I'll take the ill but um yeah I wanted to win but I want to be with her I don't want to lose to her at the end I need to be on a jury.

I need to be swaying the votes for Sarin from the jury villa. Maybe that's what I want. But this moment is why I have a little bit of grace for Lisa in her moment where she's kind of like tapping out because I think that when she sees that Tommy is up next, she realized that I missed this. Like, I really screwed this up. And, you know, Tommy probably has a better chance of winning at the end than Lisa does at this point now that she's kind of made some messy moves in this game.

She's playing so tight up until this point. And I think she was doing a really good job. But she's like, damn. I didn't sacrifice Cass. She threw Tommy under the bus the first shit, like after she sacrificed Cass by going over to poverty, after not going over to poverty, which I do want to talk to you about. But she goes over to poverty.

She's like, yeah, let me tell you what happened. Tommy came up with this plan. He said he had the Aussies. There wasn't nothing I could do about it. And they're like, okay, bet. Tommy, you're next. Like, Lisa, I get it. You throwing him under the bus.

But then I think she started having buyer's remorse. Like, damn, is this scummy? Like, is this bad? Because the first time I played, I didn't stick by my people. And now I've legit let two of my people, like led them directly to the slaughter. I have a really hard time of beating Surrey, have a really hard time of beating poverty, and I don't know how I'm going to get to the end with the Aussies. So maybe I just bow out, give Tommy the space to go on and fight the fight for the international since I clearly left us hanging a little bit.

And, you know, I lived to fight another day. I mean, then he lives a fight another day and maybe he can win the game. But JLP is like, you know, you won't be on the jury and you're not going to be able to vote for Tommy. I mean, he's probably going to get voted out anyway after we get rid of you. He's like, oh, well, never mind. You know, it's fine. It's fine. I'll take it back.

Yeah. We're cool. Well, Tommy's only hope at that point is that they vote out Lisa over her. Over him. Yeah. Over him, sorry, is what I mean. They 100% should do that. At the very least, Australians, like, if you're not taking the shot at poverty or

Surrey, which you 100% should do, at the very least, to me, keeping Tommy who is always going to do what's in his best interest, which is working with you, he's going to be taking shots at parving, Surrey, he's not even trying to work with. Lisa doesn't even vote for Surrey here. when Tommy tells her to do it. Now, nor should she, because if the Australians decide to vote out, Surrey, Surrey's gone anyway, that's not her decision. And if Surrey does go home and they don't make the decision, which is what happened,

she might have well maintained that relationship probably both in and out of the game. But, like, Lisa quitting doesn't make her, or wanting to quit, doesn't make her an easier beat. It just shows the absurd loyalty she's going to have. We see this in winners at war with all of these people who have won. It's like, you tick that off the bucket list, Lisa style. What else do you want to take? What is important for Ben, it was about having like a real ally. and he did something similar to this.

For Lisa, I know, I don't know if we've spoken about it personally or on the podcast, but she has really been haunted by the fact that her win came at the expense of having to turn on her closest ally in one of the best moves of all time. And that, you know, if she's feeling some type of way about, firstly, how she's treated her allies and how they've kind of fallen for her mistakes in this episode,

and secondly, her own winning chances, there's some self-awareness in that. But I will say, we wouldn't have said that Lisa was winning at the final seven of her season. And then at the final set, she makes this amazing move. Like, there's still game to play. She wasn't as down and out. In her first season, she just was kind of more under the radar. But there's still game to play.

I wouldn't count yourself out. But I felt for Lisa because I felt like it was purely compassionate. It was mostly just based on that, like, real human thing. And this thing beyond the game. The second that she got out, there was Surrey. There was something there beyond the game. And I think that's translated through her whole game. And we see that manifest here.

And I hope that there isn't like a back. flash against her. I hope that people see it for like the kindness. And honestly the self doubt that it is. It was highly relatable in many different ways actually. Um, yeah, and painful because I, I feel like it came at, yeah, the expense of this like really, really terrible day that she had on the show. Yeah. I feel like she had put her game like, like she was sitting there on the, on the little step, I mean, on the little bench or whatever. They're doing their things. And then she's kind of like, a stool. Yeah, whatever. She's sitting there. And she's like, damn, I messed this up. Should I get up? I shouldn't.

get up. I'm not going to move. I'm not going to move because I messed this up. I should just sit here. Like, they're not going to. And then Cass is like, hey, you need to go talk to poverty. She's like, oh, I don't know. I don't know. It's, I kind of messed this up, man. She's like, because if I go talk to poverty, I can't undo what's been done. I have to throw Tommy under the bus. She's like, I have to throw y'all under the bus if I get up. So then finally at the end, she's like, I guess I got to do it. And she goes over there and does exactly what she's supposed to do at this point. I got to throw y'all on the bus. It's either you or me, y'all got to go. And when she does it, I think with Cass go, she's like,

Damn, because Cass goes out about to play the idol for Lisa. Lisa goes over there, throws him on the bus. And Cass is like, no, Lisa, I got you. I fell up, Lisa. I'm like, damn, I really mess this up. Like, please, Cass, please don't do that. You'll make me feel bad. And so when you see Cass leaves, she's over there on the jury looking at you, like,

hey, Lisa, really? I tried to save you. Are you over here throwing us on the bus? She's looking at Tommy fighting for his life. She's like, man, my bad. I got to go, man. I'm sorry. Like, I didn't really, I didn't want to go here.

And I didn't want to play the game like this. This was not what I was trying to do. This is not the life I wanted for me, you know, it ain't. And so then I think she had to just, she had to fight with that for a second. Now, she does not quit. So another reason why I'm going to stand some grace because JLP is like, you know, that's crazy. And she's like, you're right, my bad. But I definitely understood the instinct to be like, oh, I kind of messed that one up.

And that's on the world stage. You know, I think a lot of times, like, we forget that Survivor is televised. You know, they're playing a game on an, island is isolated, but you have to be thinking like, you know, I came into this. I don't have the biggest profile of these people. And now I've kind of tanked a lot of like what's going on around me and stuff like that. I probably feel a little bad, not loving the edit that I probably think I'm going to get at this point because I know I messed this up. Because the rules start spinning on you a little bit. You're like, all right, I've done this before. I can probably tap out of this,

maybe save some face. Maybe people will kind of look at it and be like, well, at least you, you know, didn't go down just being a complete heel and just like cutting all the people off at the knees. So she tried, but yeah, it was just a tight spot, man. I was like, this is crazy that it happened. And it happened so fast. Everything was going fine. They had their five parts of the light. It was fine.

You got me already. Well, I think that she just wants to save Tommy. Like, she wants to be in the game. She doesn't quit at the point where it's not going to save Tommy. Yeah, it was some of that compassion. But we need to talk about this moment where Cass uses the idol wrong. It was like wrong read 101. It was such a good bluff from poverty.

So it says on the idol-sealer rules, you can only play it, which poverty does not read out. It does not read out. You play it when it's time to vote, as we saw Miles do, as it's true with knowledge of power. If you could just do it here,

can you imagine how overpower that would be the second, the second that someone... Almost like the God idol that Tony used in Kagayan, but whatever. He did a lot more than that. He did a lot more than that. Oh, okay, whatever.

He never needed to use the God. he never needed it because they were just terrified of it because it was worked every time because he was in control of every vote or because if they vote for him he will vote for them and they will go home but you he used that he weaponized it let's it he weaponized that of course he did also when were they realistically really going to do that listen we're not we're not here to relitigate kagayana what i'm saying is that this would have been super overpowered if it was okay for poverty to do this but the problem is that like even though it's like a little far fetch for it to be that

OP, we've seen advantages that are this overpowered. You know, like, think back to Brain v. Braun and A.U. And it's George's advantage that he finds on the first episode is like, hey, do you want to save half the tribe and yourself? That's it. That was the advantage.

You found this thing. You could save every, you could pick your allies, save them, or remove them for tribal council, and leave people for dead. Like, that's O.P. too. You know, so I was like, okay, you can't really be too skeptical of this. Like, if Parvite says, it's what she got. You could ask me to the private treatment, but in that moment, Parvite didn't want to show it to you.

True. Well, the thing is that if Parvite could use it then, she would just use it. She wouldn't let Cass just keep it. She's like, just save it. It's fine. Yeah, just save it. And then she wouldn't and firstly, she lets Cass

go up to Jonathan. Cass at that point can say anything. If she could, she would have taken it to make sure, firstly, the cast can't do that. And secondly, just to have an idol, you'd rather, if Cass is going to up and play it on Lisa um in like if she could actually use it you'd rather take it than have her waste it and waste a public idol at that point with the only other idol she knows on Lisa so it wasn't even just about the advantage itself it's just about how someone behave in that situation they'd want to take the

idols they could they also yeah so like did you vote for Lisa and she's like yes it's like well I'm going to play it on Lisa it's like oh great negate my vote like the right the lack of reaction from everyone when she says Lisa is what she get you and Tony was very good at this right looking back to assess how people like took in his idol play and then making decisions based on that if Cass had played it on herself firstly if Parvety canceled the idol she's definitely stealing the idol Luke would play his idol Cass would be safe Luke would be safe Seanie would go home on one boat but actually no one moves and if no one moves you haven't done anything that impressive like you know that the Aussies must have an idol none of them are playing it

do they know that the Aussies have an idol one of them must yeah but That's the thing. Maybe Kirby got voted out with the idol, they think. Well, I'm very confused by that. And I don't mean to derail the conversation. But, you know, what Parvety has this knowledge is power. And they're like, we should vote out Luke. No, no.

It says vote out Shawnee to be safe. I'm like, why? Because you think Luke has an idol? Because if that's the case, Parvety, you can fix that. You know, or is they like, because you think to me have a lot of as a biggest threat. But what I'm saying is that you say to be safe? And I'm like, what's safe about voting on Shawnee versus Luke?

Like, if you think they have an idol between the three of them, there's only three of them. So if Shawnee's a big threat and she has an idol, they won't talk about splitting, they were just going to vote for Shawnee. You know, is it that they think,

they think, exactly, but that's what I'm saying. There's no, there's no insurance plan there. It's just, we're going to vote for Shawnee and hope that she doesn't have the idol. I'm like, well, if you think that one of them has an idol,

why not try to use that more offensively? Like a nullafile? Yeah, like, uh, like, uh, Luke, I think you got one. You know, like, why not? Well, just whoever you're voting for. It's like, Shawnee, do you have one? No.

but then the thing is like if Luke has one he can just play it on Shawnee. Exactly. I think you could use this offensively to be like, I'm going to shoot at one of you. The odds are that somebody has an idol. It probably wasn't Kirby because maybe Kirby would have told Parvety.

Maybe they got that read off of her. Maybe Kirby wouldn't have told Parvary. Who knows? But if you really think that there's an idol over there, a 33% chance of getting it right. If you really have a good feeling about this, why not just be like, Luke, do you have one? And just see what happens.

But this is way better. I would just say that. whatever result we got right here is way better. This is the sexy move, Shannon. You know, I love the sexy move. Yeah, well, I mean, from poverty, this was such a great bluff. But the thing is, I really think Cass should have known. There was no trust there to be like, poverty saying, okay, it's fine.

You know what? I'm not going to. I could. I'm not going to rely on Lisa. But you know I've voted for Lisa at absolute best, but I'm going to let you save Lisa to take out an Aussie. Like, if Parvety wanted an Aussie out, she would have voted for an Aussie. So even in what she thinks it's happening is like poverty's allowing her to negate her own vote to take out an Aussie that Parvey didn't want

when she voted five minutes ago she wanted to leave her out of the game. If that's something Parvety could have done, she would have taken the idol. But Parvety is using it to be like, I can take your idol, but Cass, I'm not going to. We're not voting for you. Just don't do it.

Friend, ally. And it kind of works because it's like, okay, it's not that I'm going to save it. I'm just going to use it on someone else and we're all okay with that. You could take my idol. You're not going to. We're kind of collaborate.

rating on this somehow to doing the right move. Actually, I'm just blindsiding you. So that was a very good bluff from Parvety who definitely knows what her advantage, I think, can be played. Yeah, I mean, because, like, think about it. If Cass is like, okay, Parvety says, I'm going to take your idol. Let me just take it.

Then Parvety has two idols. That's incredible for Parvety. But instead, she's like, no, I'll let you play it on Lisa, nullify the Lisa votes. And then I'll just roll the dice that y'all didn't vote for me or Sarie. You know, because Parvety doesn't, she's like, I have the idol around my neck.

She doesn't play. it. Neither one of them is actually immune. So Parviz, you're telling me, Parvety's willing to take a risk that y'all didn't vote for her. And she allowed her own vote negated. No that there'll be a bounce back that could be on her. She could take the idol. Yeah. But no. And not even play her own

steal the idol. Trust me. Just keep it, Cass. Just keep it. It was so obvious that it should have made her switch from Lisa. It really and go to herself. It really was. It was just so frantic. I think that everything's moving so fast. It's so obvious. But at the same time, it's like, Cass is in desperation mode. Since the moment, tribal council kind of blows up and it blows up very quickly onto it. Like, I don't know how much they cut out

of this. But it does seem like they sit down and the Aussie start whispering and then people just start standing up. I think JLP might have asked a question before like everything started to blow up. But Cass is in conflict resolution mode. Like she's up, she's down. She's over here. She's over there. She's trying her best. Like, hurry, you got a listen to. I swear to that. Yeah, you could tell. She's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, stick to the place. He's lying English, which he said she couldn't do. Right. And meanwhile, Lisa is just sitting there. And probably like, well, if Lisa feels this way, why is she talking to me? And Paz goes up to like, Lisa, go talk. What do you? Get up. Get up. And Lisa's like, damn. You know, she's still

sitting there like, ooh, how I really screw with this up. This is crazy. What do I do here? You know, it's just, she's in, she's so frantic the entire time that I think even in that moment, she's still in just like emergency you know whatever uh mole and she just doesn't have time to sit back and say wait a minute why would you want me to say you know what i'm saying like she's in the moment jlp's about to read the vote you know like i think it's kind of like one of those things like all right jlp wait one second he's like any second now he could be like i'm about to read the votes so you're kind of moving very quickly you don't know how long he's going to wait for you she's under the gun it was yeah this was tough and i like cast so much but i do think a large part of this

and we're not we haven't really talked about it much it's just the level of experience Parvety has versus some people who've only played one time I think that Parvety has played so many times but against so many different people and different types of players whereas like if you play against the same tribe

you know those people probably really well if you make it really far in the game you know what makes them tick Parvety has played with the Amanda's of the world she's played with Yule she's played with Yule twice you know she's playing with so running you can't tell her anything

she can do anything She's played with Sandra. She's played with Russell. She's played with all the winners. So, like, of the U.S. version. So it's like, she's seen a lot of things. Parvety is probably a little bit more attuned to this than most people would be just because she's had the experience where it's like Tommy and Cass

haven't had the same reps that she's had against multiple types of players and multiple situations. So, you know, even Aussies. You know, Shawnee's played a bunch of times, Luke played a couple times. Janine's played once. So, like, Parvite still, like, got, like, not only the days that but just situational advantages over everybody else's that she's lived a lot of survival lives right and then she has the trinkets and so like yeah there's really it's really not a lot you could say about poverty like game and this in these moments like where she is just cooking and she's firing an awesoleness I loved it but in cat like for cast what's not in her defense because it's not a defense what she's thinking is like they do vote for an australian like they vote for luke so it's like they've been chased back into that corner no we're always with you becomes a cover story and it's like if we're all I'm actually doing the loop plan that you wanted.

If you voted for Lisa, no, no, it's okay. I'm going to get us back on track. I'm going to play the idol on Lisa. We're going to vote out of Australian. But it's like, no, so much is past and so much has changed. I want Lisa right now. I don't trust you. I don't even trust that the bounce back isn't on me.

Like there's so many reasons I wouldn't allow you to play an idol, just have the world plan that we made a few hours ago go through because we've just lived lives since then. So there was a lot here. What did you think about turning to be? begin with from the world. I mean, Lisa is not into it because I kind of feel like it's different for all of them. Like for Lisa, I get why she doesn't want to do it. She's turning on Surrey. She's like the most connected to Surrey. And she probably thinks like I'd rather go down. She just

want Parvite out at a point. Maybe go down to the seven that I really like the position that the Australians got into where you're the three between two twos and there's a really good opportunity then. Maybe you even bring in a Surrey who should want to take out Pavity on a vote at seven that you hopefully have some time for. So I get it. Um, cast like poverty's been targeting her but she did well in choosing the spa award she made it this really binary thing i do think you could lean into that a little bit longer and then go to seven but i do get it a bit more she's been targeted and then tommy i do actually get it the most for because tommy wants to take a shot he's immune now he's like rather too early than late he probably knows he's a bit on the back

foot needs to get like a major scalp and do it now if we're saying it's good for everyone to look at poverty at a seven he should do it at eight he should own it at eight even if it's riskier so i actually like this from tommy but i understood why it was complex for for everyone else because that's a big move. That's a big shot. So when they get to this moment where Tommy's about to make his move, you got the three Aussies versus the five world, right? And he's saying like, okay, now is the time to eat one of our own,

which would basically make it three Aussies to the four world. But I feel like at that point, if you take out poverty, what's stopping Surrey from jumping ship at that point? Like, she's going to the Aussies. I think that I don't know if I enjoy this move from leaving Tommy. Like I get that he's immune right now, but this is going to be really hard for him to leave tribal council

with that thing around his neck and then not come back to tribal council considering he has immunity. It would be crazy if that happened. But it does. But in this moment, I'm like, numbers-wise, you take out Parvety here. You still have Lisa, you know,

you still have Lisa, you still have a Cass and Tommy. That's three. You have the aunties with three, but now Surrey is in the middle. You just lost the next vote, right? Well, you are hoping that Lisa can keep three in.

you're hoping you're like, well, don't give the Aussies that ammo. I think for Tommy, it's like you become a bit desperate because your win equity is quite low. You know that you've had a lot less room to move. And you're going to go to the end and lose now. You need big moves to win to get something. So like maybe you lose the next vote and they take out Cass, who's a bit of a shield, and then you work it back from there. I don't think that you can go to seven where everyone should want to take out poverty in a world

where you've taken out an Australian and it's like this 3-22 and maybe even Surrey is thinking of it and everyone's happy and then who gets the credit. Tommy coming out here hard when he has immunity and it's a bit early

and it puts him in more danger. I'd rather be in more danger and then go home on like a big move that actually gave you a chance to win rather than sitting on your hands and then just going to the end and being safe with no chance to win.

I'd rather take that move and then work it out later. for someone like Tommy, who I think has very little win equity at that point and has been like really neutralized in this game and just not had a lot of space to move from the beginning. Yeah, I don't know. I just don't really think. I love it.

I'm just saying I see it the most from him. Yeah. I get what you're saying. Yeah, I get what you're saying. But yeah, definitely like taking out poverty here, pissing off Sarri and giving Surrey all the types of like motivation in the world to just go be like, hey Janine, do you want it to be me and you and Shawnee? And now what's Janine going to say no? You know, like, she's like, fine, whatever, I don't care.

Like, you know, or even, but maybe Saria and Lisa are that close to where they're like, what if we both jump ship? What if Sarreed takes Lisa over with her? And she's like, Tommy, you're out, Luke's out. And now Saris didn't work her way into another majority. I just thought leaving this at basically 3-3 split with Saria in the middle

didn't do him any favors. I think it's like you said, like if he needs to build a resume, then yeah, sure. He makes this move on part, but he takes out a big fish, you know, so it does, I mean, you got to get her out eventually. And so this might be the only time. You know, she's got the trinkets that we now know about both the trinkets. At first, only one was public, but now we know about both of them. But, you know, and if Sarri is really

liked it with poverty, you can't really trust Seri not to, like, let poverty in on the plan, so you have to blindside them both. So, yeah, I don't hate it, but I definitely don't love it. Like, I definitely think they're like, just from a number standpoint, you don't, you don't want to piss off Sarie and leave her or her and Lisa in a position where now they can go and form a new majority without you. And it would have been very easy to do that by taking a part out here and leaving Surrey in the middle. Eventually, anyone does it next, but because anyone does it next, maybe you do it here early and work it out.

I won't say I love it, but I got it. I understood why you want to take that. And I'd rather go out in a blaze of glory, hopefully taking out poverty and always having that rather than missing my shot or getting to the end and saying, like, I was part of that. It's like, who wasn't? Everyone wanted to take out poverty at a final seven where we had some time to look at that. And obviously, they would have thought they were going to have an actual final seven

round where they would have time to kind of talk about that. but I'd love to talk about Cass and Tommy a little bit because 82 episodes of prep down the drain in an hour tonight, which is tricky. No, I'm so glad that I watch them. I think that in talking about what I saw of them in their first season about a month ago compared to now, I think Cass really came out of her shell

and elevated her game to step out of what had been just Lane's shadow in her original season to become the biggest target. She was the endurance threat. You know, she is. She found an idol again, but I think she became a real threat. And this is the thing is like, this is the duality we're talking about. Like, she wasn't going to go to the end and lose.

I think if she got to the end against quite a few people, she actually had a really great shot, but it made her a bigger target. And I think actually that's a credit to how she changed her game from the first time. I think that Tommy, again, was really neutralized here in terms of just not having as many people to work with. I think that all of the unknowns have been in a tricky spot. Like, there's the threat of being an icon,

but there's also been that aura and that reverence to really get people to work with you, which they haven't had. And I think that that, you know, Tommy ran the game in his first season. So I think he really struggled. We did see that he has like a very good, varied challenge ability, which was nice to see. I think he was incredibly endearing. And I do want to say it's not been talked about enough. I'm doing this in a second language when everyone else is a native English speaker is beyond.

Like, I can't even imagine. So all the props to them, I'm glad we had them on the season. I'm glad that I knew them. And I'm sad to have lost them both tonight. I hated this move the most per cast. Because I think, like you said, Tommy might need to make this. I don't think Cass needs to make this move right now. I think she should be shutting this down.

And especially because she'd done good work and pulling it back and really consolidating the world on this very binary choice of like, don't have an escape hatch with Janine. It's us be them and we're just going for it. And they could have continued to go for it, keep him really comfortable. And then you take a shot probably next round. So she has a secret idol. She had done enough there.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And she had a secret idol. I don't love her playing the idol for Lisa. I think that at this point. once it's all blown up you might have just cut your losses you know poverty says i'm not going to take it from you you keep it you like all right whatever it's mine and then like if lisa goes she goes like at this point it's done like it's good every like poverty just voted for lisa then you didn't not convince her to come back to

your rights yeah and even if you save lisa yeah and even if you save lisa and an Australian goes you still lost poverty yeah i think that you're in a minority anyway like i think that you just be cautious and you protect yourself read read aside and we've talked about the read like there's a million reasons if you think you're fine to either keep it for yourself or just to more cautiously play it on yourself at this point like your minority of three is now kind of doomed so yeah and then on top of that I know there's been countless comparisons made between Cass and Amanda Kimmel I've never seen Cass Play Survivor but I thoroughly enjoyed her this season for sure I love seeing her she was so fun and confessional I love when she went

she took the spa thing was cool I completely agree with the people she chose for the spot thing because I was looking I'm looking to assess these people skill level because I've never seen them play before. So I'm like, okay, what's Cass doing right? What's she doing wrong? But it did give me shades of like heroes versus villains with Cass and poverty where Amanda is like, poverty, you got to believe me, play your idol. And part of her, it's like, girl, what? She's like, yeah, play it on you. Play it on you. I promise. Like, it gave me that same vibe where poverty's like, is everything okay. And Katz's like, no, everything's fine. Everything's fine. She's like, no, because it feels weird. She's like, no, no, you're voting

with us, right? She's like, no, I'm not, I'm not about it. Like, it's poverty and Amanda all over again where poverty can just see through it. And so, like I said, it's probably a lazy comparison, considering I've never seen Cass play Survivor before. But, you know, seeing that that's out there, that comparison is out there, I couldn't help but see, like, the parallel and, like, I could see Amanda in this spot, for sure.

You know, like being like, no, poverty, play your idol, I promise. And more also the bluff. It was like the opposite. Like when Amanda told poverty to play her idol, and now he had poverty told Cass and poverty doesn't do it. And yeah, poverty told Cass to, played on Lisa and Cass does. It was a real role reversal there in the same

winning duality for poverty over this version of Amanda Kimball that we've been told. Yeah. But that's it. I thoroughly enjoy Cass and Tommy. I like them both. I'm very jealous that you got to watch some play Survivor. I am going to be looking for these links. I know you got them, so send them to me. I don't, but I'll try for you. You know, you know what we're going to do. But anyway,

but I did enjoy them. I hated to see them both go out like this in the same episode um because i just felt like we're not getting enough content we definitely get enough content from tommy he was very like if anybody was purple this season was definitely Tommy but i think he made his presence known uh being in like one of the more powerful alliances and winning this challenge the way he does uh he does the stacking of the things the stacking of the cards or whatever with the water bucket you know we've never seen that version of this on on us survivor i don't think and he does it in one try unless it was weirdly edited and they tried to make it seem like it like to yada yada to get fast,

like to the tribal council faster because we had a lot of tribal. It looks like Tommy just knocks it out in one go. And I thought that was so impressive. You know, like it was like nobody else had a chance to get any momentum because he was just on the go. And so I really enjoyed his challenge performance too.

But we got to pour one out for him. And shout out to Luke. Yeah, he got to pour out a bucket of water. Yeah, we got to pour out a bucket of water. And then shout out to Luke for his immunity win at tribal council because it seems like he does the little balls thing. in one try as well.

Whereas, like, had he messed up, maybe poverty slips up, I mean, slips into that spot. Maybe somebody else slips into that spot. But no, that was a clutch win, and I got to give him credit where he's due. Yeah, well, I think, you know, Tommy is scrappy. And this is exactly why you keep him in the game. And, like, the Aussies just had so much power to do that because if you, it's a seven-person vote and they have three. But if Tommy's voting for Lisa, that's a four-three.

If they vote for each other, you go on the four-three. If just Lisa votes for Tommy and Tommy votes elsewhere for Sarisa, it's a three-three-one, your three decide if all the votes are split which they were like Lisa was on Janine Tommy was another vote on Surrey and then say like five and three were on Tommy which they were you win three two one one like your three has so much power there to at least get rid of Lisa but they kept her with Surrey and that's just painful to me it was like the worst of the options it was like you've chosen the wrong group and the worst option in the group which was incredibly painful but to talk about something more complex let's go back to this for

Surrey. If they bring in Surrey, what if Lisa says, I am going to vote out poverty and I'm going to do the vote and I'm not going to be wishy-washy about it, but I'm going to bring in Surrey. What does Surrey do? Do you think Surrey is into that? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It's early. It's early. It's very early. But Sarie knows where the bodies are buried. She knows that poverty has two advantages. I thought it was wild that poverty shared that second advantage. He's so loyal to Surrey. She's so loyal to Sarie. I loved it, but it pissed me off because I was like, because at first I was like, oh, look at them. Their best friends are going to go to the end together. I was like, and then she's going to be Seria, and I don't like that. I was like, no, I don't like it. You can't, there's a smoke tree.

So we'll lose in a much more aggravating way than that, like a big twist and just losing it. How dare you? She's going to. It's the prophecy. I dare you. Anyway, but you're right. But stop it, stop it. You're not right.

I'm not going to say, no, stop it. No, stop it. Anyway, listen, I saw that moment. And for a second, it indeed. deared me, and like a millisecond later, I was like, no, Surrey, this lady just handed you her heart in the game. If this was the other way around, she would stab it a bunch of times and then eat it. You know, like, so what are you going to do, ma'am?

Are you going to go to the end with Sarre? Are you going to go to the end with poverty or do, like you said, does she have the killer instinct to go ahead and say, all right, no, let poverty go right here. I do think the numbers are still kind of wonky. You know, poverty goes right here. I don't know what that means for Surrey at that point. you know, does she have the ability to now pivot to more?

Is she just like at the end of the World Tribe Alliance and she doesn't want to be in that spot? Let's say they get poverty here, like right here. They go to tribal council immediately right again. Like they do their immunity challenge. Let's say Luke still wins it, especially a bit of, maybe Cass wins it. But let's say Luke still wins it. At this point, you know, they have to vote out another Aussie. Like I don't think Sarie can then flip again to vote out somebody like Tommy, you know.

So I think like, I don't know, man. man, this is tough. I don't know if Surrey, I don't want to say I don't know if she has a dinner. But it definitely didn't feel like we haven't given any information about Surrey throughout the season that would even indicate

that she has any, like any inclination to turn on poverty. To turn on poverty. It's just because we think she should and also, to be fair, she said poverty won her season. I've been clinging to that

as the opening confessional, but you are right in that she's never actually said she will take out poverty. If she wants to take out poverty at a point which she should and now is basically impossible. Pardy has two trinkets to, you know, and she needs to use them both correctly,

but then we're going to be at six, five, and then she's most likely to win the challenge at four. Most likely to win all the challenges, yeah. And also, if Surrey takes up Pardy now, like she doesn't have other options. Like her other escape raft was rushed out the door in this episode. It was so unfortunate. I think that if they come to her at eight, obviously, then she can tell Pavity to play the idol. So she would have a real decision. I kind of think she would do it, because I think her major investment really had been in the world. And I think that we had seen that. But the thing is they don't clue her in here. So it would be a very early move.

I don't think it would be what she would want to do, but I think she would go along with it. But they don't even give her the opportunity. At that point, she can only stay with PATH. Like, she's lost her escape raft even then. They win the vote. And then it's like, okay, we've taken our cask, but maybe we can consolidate.

Maybe there's still time to take our poverty. Like, maybe I'll see. And then there's immediately another vote. Like, I think if anyone was screwed over by this twist, as always, it was Cerey. The Poverty played it very, very perfectly. So I think that she's kind of stuck now. Like at least she does have Lisa

and that is like the best thing for her. Like Parvity has trinkets. Sarri has Lisa which is great. But she's pretty stuck. This was great for the poverty Sari duo meaning this was great for poverty.

This was wonderful for poverty alone. Yeah. Let me think. Okay. So let's say Sarit takes out parvety here. It's hard. They immediately vote again and then they take out let's say they take out shiny next.

Okay. So you got Sarin cast Tommy Lisa. Saria and Lisa could kind of duo up maybe against Cass and Tommy but it's kind of like a 2-2-2 at that point is there any room for her to go work with Janine and Luke and Lisa can go against Kack

I think she has the wiggle room if she takes out poverty I think she has the wicker room I think it's hard She takes out of poverty at 8 but she's not even bought in but yeah I think that you can do it I think you got to do it I don't know if she would but I think she should The hope is that you take out poverty and then you come back as the world at seven

you take out a couple of Aussies and hope that the world take out Shawnee. Yeah, take out Shawnee. And then it's a recast, Tommy, Lisa, versus Janine and Luke. Luke at some point will play the idol, you know, yeah, but you got to, but at that point. You take out cast at a point.

Right, right. But they didn't bring her in. They didn't bring her in. Maybe that's what Lisa should have done. Instead of going to them and being like, hey, I'm going to not vote with you, blah, blah, blah, because I want to save this relationship with Ceree. Maybe she does what Ceree does,

because Ceree did this a couple episodes ago. Parvartney's like, let's make a move. And Ceree's like, you want to make a move with Kirby. That's cool. let me go tell them because I need to preserve that relationship with the world and she does

and so I think that's what okay Lisa should have yeah Lisa comes to Saran says we're gonna take out poverty but we're locked in

then we're four or seven poverty's out of the game we lock in against the Aussies and let's talk about that at like a final five or six and maybe you take out a cast before she gets to a final immunity challenge

I think that's what and I think Lisa would be good for that I think Lisa is a better ally for Surrey than even poverty is to be, well, because poverty will beat Surrey. They're both very, very well to Surrey. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but to beat her, whereas he's a vote. So I think that's it, and I think Three does it.

But at the point where she hasn't been brought in, there's very little she can do. Poverty is being targeted in a duo with her. Now she's being crammed into this duo, and again, she loses her escape raft in a very quick vote where she has no agency to take out poverty in a room and that space to take out poverty and is not even being even the information to jump on something where she could further work it down. So tough spot. Very tough spot.

I don't really blame her, but I think it's a bad spot. Yeah, they didn't, I mean, they didn't bring her in, so as you can do. I did. Oh, we'll talk about it with the Chizzy. But yeah, yeah, that's funny. I got a couple of things before the Chizzy.

I really like how Surrey always references her mother's wisdom. My mother always told me he can't always beat him with this. She can always beat him with this. She says about her mother and like that ring of truth, I think that was great. I also really love, poverty will be the next player turned host because I love how the season

poverty is like, I'm done. Wrap it up, Jonathan. I'm ready to go. I'm ready to vote. So this works on JLP. This does not work on Jeff. This is not work on Jeff. Jeff's like, brother, we'll get to it when I'm ready.

You know, we've seen Jeff kind of snap back at the people who are like, we're ready to get to the challenge with Jeff. Maybe he was just mad at Kobe then. But yeah, parties got the Riz to be like, JLP, let's wrap this up. I'm ready. The queen is like, hey, I'm still the host for a few more days. I'll tell you one. Oh, my God.

Don't say that. Why did you say that? Why did you say it? I know it's devastating to think about. But, look, poverty is an option. She knows she tells us when to vote. The other thing that was funny from this episode is how the Aussies were like, you're in Australia, we smash the box.

We don't need a key. We smash it. I loved it. I loved it. Because they're like, should we just break it? And I was like, that is so Survivor A.U. Coded. And then they just go break.

I was like, they would never do that in Survivor U.S. They would never. They would never. The way that just became canon to me, like, as far as like, within the bounds, the rules of the game, the next time there's anything locked, smash it against a tree. Like, don't, why are you climbing a tree

and retrieving a ring and all kinds of stuff? Bust that thing up against the nearest Iraq and move on about your day. The Aussie's doing that was, that's why we love Survivor A.U. It's a little bit more rough and tumble than I think the Survivor US is, and I like this.

I love how the internationals wouldn't have thought for even one second to do that. No, they're too polite. They're like, they're like, that's ghetto. They're too polite. They're like, that's ghetto. And the odds are like, break it, break it now. Break it!

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Parvety's getting three. I don't think, again, I don't know how... I don't know how much of this was by design, but this is probably the best episode of Survivor Poverty's Ever had. Like, it was just... Maybe. Well, the Mergent Heroes Vest Ville.

This is very high. That was cute, but this was sexy. Like, that was sexy back then, but, like, this has got... Like, this was crazy. This was crazy. They were on her neck. The bluff was very good.

The bluff was good. The wearing the idol around her neck was just like a classic survivor. everything. Like, it was just, boom, boom. They were both very sexy moves. I would say that. I'm not going to be, I'm not going to be smart heroes. It's one of the best moves of all time. This was sexy. This was sexy. That was sexy. They were both sexy. Equally sexy. We're not going to pit two bad bitches against each other.

They were both sexy. Okay. So, so a party gets three. We've talked about why. Okay. Come with me on this one. I think I want to give two to Janine. Because Janine is the one who kind of puts the hit out on Lisa. She's the one who gets the ball rolling. She's at tribal council and she goes to look like, hey, if we turn around right now, we could probably get this on Lisa. I was like, Janine. And then the ball starts rolling.

And, of course, poverty is like, but cast is better and then it goes the way it goes. So I want to give two to Janine. And now I can't, I haven't decided. So I've been between Luke and Surrey for this one point. Surrey obviously is in a very tight spot, but she was up against it in this episode. She was about to lose her number one ally. She does not.

And so, like, she, maybe she should. Maybe she'd be better off if she did. She should have lost their. All right. And then Luke was a part of the flip, too. They don't really give us a lot of Shawnee. And so it's really hard for me. Can I say? That's a big miss in this season.

What happened to Shawnee in poverty? What's the Shanty? Yeah, and I really think, like, Shawnee did the flip and she voted for Surrey. I want to see Shoney and Poverty come back there. That was such an important relationship. It's literally spoken about as the Shontent that the people want. And we never get a follow up on that.

And I think it's a very big miss. from the edit. When Saris said, why don't we just target Shawnee to be safe? I spit my drink out because I was like, what are you talking about?

Like, you know, like, well, Sarin, what? She just voted for her. But I hear her, but the Sean Tint that we want is that Parvety and Shawnee and they're supposed to be together. Surrey, I hear you,

but babe, what are you doing? You got too much dip on your chip. Yeah, but no, but still, we can, I'm like, Cass, we can fix this. It's okay. But your idol, it's fine. Me, you and Shawnee.

We'll be back together, baby. It's fine. So that did catch me off guard. I can't give her any credit though because they don't really show her having any agency in this at all. She's kind of like along for the ride. Luke survives another day.

He doesn't play his idol. I'll give one to Luke. I think that's what I'm going to do here. So yeah, that's my three for Farreity. Two for Janine for kind of getting the ball rolling on this. And Luke for, you know, like being able to preserve his own idol, surviving it as like the last remaining guy and this all devouring women's alliance.

Listen, the women are... Yeah, the Wikipedia is going to show one thing. I'm just saying, if you don't watch the season, you might think that there was one. And if you're JT, you probably will, right? Right, exactly. So, so yeah, so that's what I'm going to go with. What do you think? I, well, I'm saying, you think there's a woman's alliance, right?

That's what it's going to look at me. Over-explained my joke. So I really struggled with this because coming out of the episode, at first I was like, poverty and Surrey won, you know, three points of poverty, two to Surrey, And then I thought about it, I'm like, no, because Parvety and Surrey is bad for Surrey. I really, I really paid a lot of attention on the second watch to certain particular things. I will give three points to Parvety. It's all been said.

It's such a good spot. She keeps her trinkets through the final six. She bluffs so well. She pushes the exact right targets. Taking out Cass for a final four endurance challenge is very clutch. It's no notes at all. I will give two votes to Luke. He sowed the chaos that I think helped really well in what.

was a good first vote you know that was actually if it had just been that first vote we'd be saying a lot of good things about the Australians

and then I will say in his defense like he wanted Tommy to stay it was Janine who pushed Tommy like she pushed Lisa but then she pushed Tommy and she said

keep it safe and I was thinking I'm like I'm gonna see whoever pushed Tommy is not getting any chizzy votes for me

oh yeah but she pushed Lisa you're not going to give her credit for Lisa she is a great like puppeteer

like I love the way that she'll push Luke to be like go make up with Surrey and go to tell the jury that they wanted your name, that the international floated your name. You're going to have to be really sitting here fighting because I'm about to fight you on this one.

No, no, I feel very strongly about it. I think you got to give her a point. I think when they sit down at tribal council and Janine looks over and says, look, we got to do the thing. I think that nothing happens. I don't think, I'll give her credit because we saw it happen.

But Janine is the one who like, she liked the match here. And I love that. But I'm not saying that's not good. I'm not saying I think she does. I think she does very well in that vote. We got two votes. In that vote for sure,

Luke is like, oh, he gives a lot of, he throws a lot of the ammo on Lisa's story and then Ginny's like, and what do they say to you yesterday? They threw out some of your shoes and she does great. She's in a mix. Excellent. It torpedoes on the Tommy name. Tommy's the worst possible person the Australians can vote out. How did Surrey and Parvety?

So the duo, which is just Parvety, get into such a good spot at the final six. I feel like they handed Parvety the game. like I mean to be fair they they do have three Australians Luke does have a trinket poverty has two so it's at home and in the preview for the next episode you know they don't really talk about the preview sometimes but I'm not gonna say it but what the fuck I might find out

we don't know we don't know Luke could then could then pass around like we don't know what he's trying to do but I do think it shouldn't even just be slightly better than even like that's such a good spot for poverty how did you let that house happen. And I think that Tommy is just the worst name of that. And she literally also says, like, keep it safe. And I'm like, no. No. So I can't. So she lost a point. So I'm going to give an honorable mention, not an honorable mention, a memorial chisley point to Tommy. You can't do better stop it. I'm going to. I'm always given to two. No one else deserves more points.

There's poverty and then the chasm. Give it to sari. Give it to serri. And here's why. No, here's why. Hear me out. Hear me out. Hear me out. Hear me out. But just hear me out. But just hear me out. Just hear me out. I didn't give one to, did I give one to three? And I didn't get one of Surrey. No, but hear me out. Hear me out. If you're going to give one to Tommy,

you might as well get one to Surrey because Tommy is in a worst spot than Surrey is. He's voted out of the game. You're criticizing Sarri for putting herself in a worst spot. But what I'm saying is Tommy put himself in the worst spot. He is literally out of the game. And this was his plan. If that was the case, if that was the case, if a memorial two-three points would never happen.

I got it from his perspective. They shouldn't happen. No one benefited from voting out Tommy. I'm about to flip this table. Except poverty. Except poverty. Everyone else was wrong. He made such good arguments

in a second freaking language. If you couldn't go the obvious, it's on everyone else. He made great arguments. He said he made awesome arguments about the threat level and how they could rebound the idol. He said, I can't, like, he said so many good things. He said everything I wanted him to say.

About why he was a terrible target there. And they still did a baffling thing. But they would have been in this position. If it wasn't, for his idea to go off the poverty right here. They should have waited one more vote. I get it, but I get it. What do we do?

Shannon. At the end of the day, he won that challenge. Cass was going to go out in another world like he gets that opportunity to plead his case at camp and the case was played so well in another language.

It was. Him and Cass cooked. Even the confessionals, they're really, really good. They're doing the confessions in two languages. That is so cool to me. Yeah, yeah. I like Tommy a lot.

So I'm not going to fight against this too much. You're going to flip a table. You fought so hard. Because the Memorial Chizzy Point just feels so wrong to me. Because it's kind of like... I should be given to two. I'm between the two. No, if that's the case,

you should bequeath his chisie back to poverty. Just go ahead and do it. You know, like at this point, we get reckless with the trisie. I mean, at that point, just give it to her anyway. But I hear you. Very sad. I was very sad to see Tommy going this episode,

especially the way he went out. But he went down swinging. I like that. He went to the Australian which I think was right and asked them to do the very obvious thing it was safe

because it would rebound onto Tommy get rid of a trinket or get rid of Surrey or get rid of part whatever do something against that duo that is going to sew it up two people

who have the most powerful people on Survivor history with two trinkets that poverty has just take a shot and let it go back on me you don't make me take my loop boat away now

I gave them too but Janine did that but Janine was the one who said Tommy Luke didn't want to get rid of Tolly He wanted to at least get rid of Liesel, which is better But put your foot down Why did you let Janine with this? You know what I'm saying?

Like what do we do? He's not got to toe to toe with Janine The juice This is the king of the jungle You know what I'm saying? Literally the queen of Australia She's the queen of juice Yeah, she is and look

Don't get a boost juice tonight by the way I'm going to be a bond by the way I'm going to get the juice I got to figure this out Okay You're right that it was so bad And this was largely out of series control Okay, so what if I do, what if I do, three for poverty, two for Janine and one for

Ceree. Then I feel better about like, that gives Ceree credit for the Tommy thing because Tommy can go, whatever. There's nothing she can do there. It's not enough time. There's not, you know, blah, blah, blah. And then like, Janine still gets the credit for the first vote, which is the cast vote. Because I really do think that it doesn't get to cast without Janine kind of pulling the shirt. Yeah, yeah, no. She does very well there. She does very well in that right. Okay. So that's my kidding. He does very well on that foot, though. But like, they both do. They both do. Yeah, do the Australians do very well on that report. They both do.

I, okay. I just started, you were flipping a table angry at me, and now you're changing your chizzy point. But I'm still not giving. I'm still not giving. I'm not asking you to give Tommy a chizzy point. I know, but that's why I was flipping a table. I was flipping the table at that.

That was, I was incredulous about that specific part of this. I don't hear you. Thank you. Okay. You're so angry, but you're like, damn it, I kind of get it, but I want to yell about it. Because they all messed this up. Okay.

Farmer to get three, Genevink, two, Surrey gets one and if you say I'm biased it's fine because I am. Let Tommy leave the game taking a shot at Pavity rather than all the other people who didn't take a shot it's worse. You're going to get like

destroyed now. What's the point? If Pardy's going to win this and smash it, who cares if you're watching it from the jury bench or having it happen in the game? I mean, yeah, of course you want to be in the game and have an opportunity but like they all let it go so badly. Tommy's arguments were so good. I wish I had them all in front of me. Like, I know he offered to kind of be the rebound. I know that he

pointed them out as threats. Like, he just said everything I wanted him to say. And I'm glad to give him his first chizzy point here. He probably would have won the chizzy on his season. I know he, like, dominated with him Mary, but it would have been really between the two of them. But he took a swing at the greatest survivor player of all time. And I can't, I can't fault over that. Yeah, I can't fault up for that. Yeah. I'm glad we got to that. It was a very difficult chizzy. It was a very, very, I feel like this was harder on us than it was for them. You I think they're like thinking about it as much as I am because they should be because they really messed it up but look let's wrap it let's say poverty style let's wrap this up

let's do it I currently don't have an ex-intervie with Cass which by the way that's devastating well she's a way but I think I could get one with her maybe later in the season or later in the week because I'm emailing 10 about it. I really don't enjoy not having an exit interview because it's not my heart. Peter's like, they haven't even said Surrey's name and I'm like, even when they're going up to vote, I'm like, I just don't want it to be Surrey.

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because there's three episodes left and patrons can call in. And yeah, we can get on the line and talk about this amazing season, this historic season. Glad to be doing that. Yeah.

I didn't know you were doing that. That's fun, Phil. See you later. Yeah, I was offered it. But then I have a recap kickback thing, but I was like, for the time that I can be there, I will be there. And so if you're on early on the Q&A, you get to talk to me and Shannon.

But if you come a little bit later, you still get the queen of a global survivor to talk to, that'd be, you know, our very old Shannon. Thank you so much, even though my chizzy points are enraging. It's a little ghetto. And my choosy points to give. That's what we do in Australia. We break boxes. We break boxes in time.

We doesn't love Australian. Okay, there are no rules. But this was very, very fun. Thank you so much, Chappelle, talking about another great episode of the season. with me. Thank you to I'll see behind the scenes. Thank you to you all for listening and I will see you next time. Try, slow. To the adventure of a lifetime.