RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor AU: Australia V World Ep 9 Recap

Episode Date: September 2, 2025

Survivor AU: Australia V World Ep 9 Recap We Know Global Survivor host Shannon Guss is recapping every episode of Australian Survivor: Australia V World. Tonight, she and Mike Bloom discuss the penultimate episode of the season, including tonight’s good moves and missed opportunities, as well as looking ahead to the finale. To enter the […]

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Hello. Hello everyone and welcome. I'm sorry to travel for Australia for Australia to the world. I'm your host Shannon Gus here to talk about the penultimate episode. I've had messages. It's anti-penultimate. That's the pen penultimate. Now we know.

know. And this is the real penultimate episode. Episode 9, 90% of the way there, which is an injustice, by the way. And I'm here to talk about it with the Luke to my Janine. The surrey to my poverty, but the poverty to my three. I don't know, both of those are so complimentary. It's a great, Mike. Luke, thank you for being here. I mean, listen, yes, I think that it's tough to compare the apples and oranges of, you know, a 17-year-long friendship to the very visible act of giving up immunity.

to somebody in the middle of tribal council without them being aware of ahead of time. So listen, I don't know you were going to say the 17 year friendship to ours and ours is way better. No offense, parven-sur-ray. Like, you guys are iconic, but, you know, if we're going to tease it out. I'm thrilled to be here, Shannon. I've tried to, I do not have a red dress.

I try to wear my best flowers in honor of Shawnee, considering that that is a piece of wardrobe. She's apparently hanging up for good. No. I will say I'm quite surprised that they kept that last. part in there in the edit. Not the red dress, like, but the, I'm going to take jail of the JLP's job.

Someone is. Someone from all stars. It doesn't work in retrospect for many reasons, I would say. There's a lot going on there. Like, Shawnee, you don't have to retire. You can just give yourself more than a two-year break. She's played four times in seven years. No wonder she wants to hang up the red dress first. You can wear red dresses

beyond Survivor. Secondly, Shawnee is not retired. People are going to hate that. Shawnee, just take like a five-year break. Like a three-year break. break. You've played it every second year at least since 2018. If you're tired, I get it. You're also pregnant again now,

but like... Oh, is she? You just eat... Yeah. Oh my God. I mean, listen, you got to continue the Australian survivor tradition of... Yeah, so it was cast. I want the Australian survivor, get pregnant. Profit. And then go on again, Shawnee. So we will not accept your retirement. And we humbly

decline your resignation. And we will see you again in a one to two years, probably. So devastated to lose Shawnee. Weird arc for Shawnee. So, so weird. In this great season, I think. I was about to say, again, and that's saying a lot,

because again, this has been such a fun season. Admittedly, the past couple episodes have been a little more straightforward and wrote in terms of what the mechanics of the strategy is. I think especially if you look at it from like just the voting chart. Yep, this alliance of four accomplished their goal of making it to the final four. but certainly there are mechanics we can talk about certainly a lot of theatrics at tribal council that we can get into

you know the most one of the most awkward standoffs at tribal council I've ever seen as Parvite and Luke try their best to do like the Meisner technique of saying each other's days at the same time it was so freaking good but yeah what was going on with the Sean tent this season like it really does seem like

and hopefully we'll find out you know through your exit process like whether or not this was actually the case but it really seemed like Once she got rid of George, he's like, I have accomplished my goal for this season. You and Puyah spoke incredibly well last time about the sort of like secondary or primary goals that all of these returnees had this season.

With Shawnee is just like, I want to take out David and George and then I'll just hang out for the rest of the season. I would imagine not. And if that's the case, what are we doing purpling her? Yeah, I wonder, and I'm going to ask her about this in my ex-interview,

I, Choney, I think, goes out the earliest postpartum that I've ever seen a mother. And she says it to poverty. And I always thought they would bond with it. And clearly they did poverty, I think left a 10 month old. I think she was leaving about an eight, nine month old. Yeah, she said on the episode like, I'm you junior.

I'm leaving behind a nine month old. Exactly. And poverty did something very similar on winners at war and struggled with it. And we saw that at winners at war. I've never been a parent, but I'm a parent of cats. I would struggle. I don't know. I just, I feel like I wonder how much that was affecting.

her, you know, 16 days is not long in Survivor, but it's a hell of a long time away from that when you've never left your baby ever. I'm sure a lot of mothers, you know, it's hard to go out to a dinner. So I wonder how much that was wearing on her getting a week, two weeks in. You know, time is passing in that season. It kills me in a good way. Like, it's so funny. And I say this with love for Luke. Luke has gone jungle crazy. Like, it's so funny. Like, but, but it's been two weeks. Like, it feels like he's descended into Mad. but it's just been a couple of weeks. I always think about Brad Culpepper

in the finale of game changes and he's wearing the potato sack. It feels like, yeah, he's become like a cult chief leader. It kind of reminds me of the Lord of the Flies episode of The Simpsons or probably just break the Lord of the Flies, which I'm less familiar with. And I feel like Luke is going, he's like crazy

Luke. I'm like, Luke, it's been like 11 days since you've been in civilized society. You know what I mean? Let's get with it. So time is passing. Maybe it was wearing on Shawnee a little bit. That could be the case. I mean, I think it also might. come down to the golden rule, not the golden god of Australian Survivor editing, which is like

they will have a main storyline of the season that almost always applies to the winner. And if you are not a part of that main storyline, then you're not really going to be a part of the season. And I think right now, this storyline is sort of like Harvardy consistently fighting with her back against the wall from the very first tribal council. And Shawnee wasn't necessarily a part of that. Even like this big swing, which I'm intrigued to get her thoughts on that she takes, you know, back in episode six was not necessarily against poverty. It was against Surrey. And so I do think that maybe it was just her not getting involved in all that stuff. And we'll get into the dynamics in this episode that led to her being on the outside only strategy

wise, but content wise. But again, the Shawnee Confessionals are so much fun. And I loved her going full of Johnny Appleseed and just trying to turn people as much against each other by talking all about end game chances as much as you profess the very logical idea that some of these people just want to see the final day of the game listen, it's not great

when someone comes up to you and says to you like yeah, there's a chance you might not even make it there and so, you know, she was trying to make things spin, she was trying to spin straw into gold, but of course the big question is going to be, why did she want to get straw in the first place when she had chances to get rolled earlier

in the season? Yeah, I mean, and I think her arguments here were good. Everyone out the door has great arguments. He said great arguments. Tommy had great arguments. She's like, what's going to happen at four? They're also like what happens at four. Janine's like tricky spot there tomorrow. We'll buy for it. Yeah, we have to, we have to think about what's going to happen with that. She made really good points. But I think that it's interesting because I feel like her relation with poverty was set up as something really important. And again, just fully dropped, even though it was clearly there as we see in this like maternal synergy and bond that they had. They know what they have with Shawnee. They opened the season.

and with Shawnee on the runway with the Shantam. They're still doing the Shantam, but I'm like, I actually need a little bit more than the Shantam now. So, yeah, I feel like that the Shoney storyline went nowhere. And I don't know that I'll have enough time with Shonnie in the exit of you to ask and wonder about where she was, but I'm interested to get into it with her. I mean, I mean, listen, you know, 20-something confessionals from Shani is better than zero confessionals from Shani. So listen, we're greedy for the Shantan.

We want in more. But again, that's a small nitpick in what otherwise. has been a very solid season so far. I know that it seems like, again, the gameplay is becoming a little more obvious. We'll get into more of the nuances from it. But listen, people love Heroes versus Villains U.S.

And that post-merge was pretty much just dressed up ponging with a Daniel Di Lorenzo boot in the middle. So sometimes it doesn't matter what is necessarily going on and whether it's a blindside or not. It's more so about the content we're getting it. To your point, the antics of Crazy Luke and, you know, the continual standoffs between, in my opinion, probably the top two contenders

from an edit perspective to win this game. I had a great time getting to watch this. Yeah, they, they spun straw into as much gold as they could with this like obvious shawnee boot. And Luke was as well. Like, this is what I want to talk about with Luke. Luke was doing things that don't make sense based on the fact that he does nothing here.

Like, again, he made, probably tear up her note. He gives Janine the necklace. He's like, you know, you know, he's, where is he going to play the idol? All of it is kind of pointless flash. Now, there is validity to pointless flash. And him even just winning the challenge, I do think is important because he's going to come in as the underdog story.

He's already been painting about how that's like harder than just being at the top. And which I do like, it's harder, I think mentally. But like, it's also hard to maintain things from the top in poverty he's done so well. But it's a different story. And he said that as well. It's about having a different story. He's going to be the underdog who's won three challenges, which will be the most,

even if he doesn't win the next challenge well even if he doesn't win it it looks like he's wanting to go to fire so he's hopefully going to have fire under his belt as well hopefully not then his chance would be a lit yes liars but he barely lied a liar liar pants and fight but I think what he should have done can we talk about this sure the pointless flash has its validity because he'll talk about it it's fine

it's better than nothing it's it's claiming a narrative at tribal council I think that's what it primarily was doing was him being like, okay, I mean, and that's why I think one of the questionable things that he did at tribal council was when Parvite is like, I can use this idol for me or Surrey and Luke's like, well, I could use this one for me

or Shawnee. It's like, who is this appealing to? Who is this looking good for Luke? Certainly not you when you throw that offer out and then you don't do it. Yeah, he shouldn't have said that and then he should have used it for Shawnee. There's a game winning move for Luke here that I think that he and the thing is you can't

say that it's too much because he even talks about in 2019, he had this big brain move at the final five. Yes. We look at a Verna. We look at a Natalie Anderson who have these idols at the final five and who do a lot with them. Here's my game winning move for Luke. And the crazy thing for me about Luke is that he can make this move without having a

conversation with anyone. The building blocks are all already set up. It just, he doesn't need to have one conversation. He just needs to make two different decisions, how he plays the idol and how he votes. So here's what the building blocks that we have. Three votes are going on Shawnee. Janine's, Surrey and Poverty. He set that up.

He's coming into this tribal council with everyone wanting to work with him and an idol and the necklace. And he does nothing with it. He does the safest possible thing. What he could have done is he takes those three votes. He still gives a necklace to Janine. I like that.

It's flashy. Sure, you do that. You give it to Janine. Then you have the idol. You know that Shawnee's vote is going on Surrey. You don't play the idol on yourself. You play it on Shawnee. And you don't vote for Surrey.

You vote for poverty. Parvity. It's a minority vote split. then what has happened is three votes have been negated on Shawnee and Parvdy's going to do one of two things. Maybe the Shawnee Idol play will trigger her to play it on Surrey. Now, I don't think that Parvety should do that. It's very nice that she wants to go to the end with Surrey.

My Micronesia loving heart. Believe me, I get it. It's very nice. But what she needs to do is just get through this round to get to a final four endurance challenge that she's the odds on favorite to win, to get to a final tribal council that she's the odds on favorite to win. But maybe out of an abundance of loyalty to Surrey and trying to read what Luke is doing,

because we even see in Luke's mind he was like if I play the idol and Shawnee I'll vote for Surrey so she actually would be reading what Luke was actually thinking of doing and saving Surrey so she might do that but no you've split it Luke's one vote could send poverty out of the game she has not received the vote yet that one vote could do it

it would be the best move of all time then you go down to four easily vote out Sarie and you sit with Shawnee who you've just saved and Janine who you've protected with the necklace you've won the entire game and not to mention if poverty somehow does the unthinkable and is like I'm going to show how Greta was by not even using this.

It was a bluff the whole time. Then the votes tied 1-1 between Surrey and Parvety, and then you and Gene would have seemingly vote out Parvety on the re-vote. No, that'll never happen because he'll have saved Shawnee. So she'll know that votes are being negated and she needs to save one of them. Yeah, I guess that's true. Yeah, that's... But on the revoke, she would say...

Parvety would actually be deciding who goes because it would be a minority vote split with the 1-1. If she plays it on herself and Sarri goes, that's still okay. You've kept in a better endurance challenge competitor in Shawnee to try and take on Pave at the next challenge. And even if Pav gets through and you get through with her at the final tribal council,

there's more you can speak to. You've got one over on her here. It was minority votes. And the important thing as well is that the reason that Pavity couldn't protect them both was because you made her, at that point literally did make her tear up the idol sealer, which is a nothing move now.

And the previously on was actually really annoying me that it was like, Luke made poverty. I was like, poverty is fine. She doesn't need it. She didn't need it for her orsary to get them both through here. In a world where she does need it and Luke has blindsided her to at least take out Surrey, if not actually poverty, that's a wonderful move. Making her tear it up is an actual win that he can speak to next to her.

I don't know if it's enough, but it's certainly, it's certainly an argument. And it also makes sense of what he's doing here, lying about the idol, telling anyone about the idol, lying for poverty about where they even had the idol. That's nothing when you. you're just doing the congenial thing, then actually be congenial. This makes no sense. But if you're doing it to make a really individual move,

Janine doesn't even know about it because you're individually on one vote setting poverty home or minority splitting to take out, sorry. Now your lies makes sense. Like now you're doing this big individual thing that people will actually take notice of and that is more than just kind of pointless flash.

So I think that Luke has a really strong chance of winning the game if he does this. And it's literally just him. All the building blocks are there, play the idol differently. You make a different vote. Wow. Like really one of the best moves ever, I think.

And I don't think it's that hot. I think it's right there. I would one up his move, his own move at the final five. I think the issue comes down to one of the very first things you talked about in this podcast, which is Luke's preconceived narrative as to what he wants to present at a final tribal council. First, there's the whole going to the best,

to be the best, you got to beat the best, et cetera, et cetera. We don't need to continue to beat that point home. But I think that narrative, I totally agree with you that I think that is an incredible way to build up a final tribal council story of poverty was the top dog, the entirety of the post merge. Here are all the things I did to undermine her. We just saw Kyle do this to great effect in Survivor 48. It can be a very- Kyle Factor. It can be a very-

No one else immediately. It could be a very effective tactic to be like, hey, if you're claiming that you're, so great at all this and you know there he had no blemishes on your game look what I was able to do I was maddened by what Luke was maddening himself to do back at camp with him going to

poverty and being like oh by the way I don't actually have an idol and her reply to so you tricked me dripping saturated with venom is like Luke why are you making this problem

so much worse for yourself He had immediate regrets last time about telling poverty that he had the idol and he just continues to dig this whole deeper and deeper by being like not only did I make you get rid of your advantage but I actually didn't have anything so we can work together right now right

out of the sake of kid out of the circuit and then he's crazy Luke listen I'm like being crazy Luke actually vote out poverty that's like do it he's like I could do something crazy I'm like freaking do it. I'm completely straightforward except for that time where I

wasn't straightforward and I let you rip up an advantage in the game but this time I swear I'm on the straight and narrow I mean this is nowhere better represented than the conversation between Surrey and Parvety where Sarie again I think following a very logical

line of thinking is like there is no way you know about Luke having an idol and Janine does it and and Janine's like listen maybe Luke wants to go to the end with the idol in his pocket I pull a Mary in and be like, ha, ha, see, I didn't need this thing.

And that story points out. But he told you that he has the idol. That undermines any argument he could have made whatsoever. So let's talk about ultimately, yes. Let me talk about undermining poverty, because you mentioned that compared to what Kyle just did with Joe. And I didn't get it at the time. And I wasn't high on just undermining Joe.

Kyle is a special kind of player with a wonderful read on a very specific jury and Joe is a very specific player who in some ways could talk to what he was doing and in other ways couldn't. That's not poverty. You know, as anything going up at the end against poverty who has two rounds of different experience

in pitching her case is very different. I think parv and again, like I didn't get it then. So I'm never going to be on the undermining train and I was wrong then. But I did say many people, people will fall into this trap. They think that they'll be able to have their cake and eat it too. Simply undermine the person rather than having to take them out.

But the crazy thing for me with Luke is he doesn't even have what Carl might have had, which was like, I don't want to be loyal to Joe. I don't want to lose votes out of loyalty. Like, who would blame Luke for taking out poverty? That wouldn't look bad. There's no reason not to do it. Like, he's so focused on just getting to the end. But this wouldn't make him less likely to get to the end.

If anything, he takes out that big immunity threat and they still have Surrey. as a huge shield who you would want to take out and then he would definitely I think have a great chance against Shawnee and Janine who he's protected both of them so there's no downside

with Kyle I thought he should have just taken out Joe but there was a bit of like well then would Joe not be a fan on the jury like there was this weird culture and loyalty mentality that he I think

I don't know do you hear Saria tribal council she's professed a little bit of that as well and obviously strategically I mean this is a woman who taught Oh, I mean, like, yeah, I think that, you know, the, the, the, the I role that Sarah was giving on the jury was very much giving like, Surrey, we know you at this point. Kirby might not.

I know you at this point. Like, this is absolute bullcrap. This is, this is you trying to be like, let's everybody calm down. Let's stay the course right now. I'm not going home. Going into this tribal council. I'm still not going home, right? We're all being loyal to each other.

So Rie's idol is that and she does that so well. It's like the relationship building and, you know, saying that it's all about. loyalty we're doing something differently here and it's all completely self-interested which I love from Surrey because that's not how she's ever played the game and the wealth of experience that she has and the like tea and more not the tea but the receipts that we have for her in in her game but yeah I mean I think that just undermining your opponent will not work 99 times out of 100 we've seen the one just undermining poverty will never work like that's not enough I don't think that's enough that even Surrey had done it like I think

Sarreve, you know, played a great game too, but I think Parvite's just played such an amazing game, comes in with such a massive target and such a massive reputation. And I also think that Luke would lose nothing from taking her out. It would make his pathway as easy, if not easier. Like now it's at a two-two and it would give him just like such an amazing winning pitch. And in a season like that, I think it was, it's not about like that loyalty culture that 48 had. It's about the flash that Parvety has had. And if Luke wants to play a real underdog game, he's selling himself differently to poverty or he could make the best on that underdog game

absolutely shoot for the fences do a move here that's right here for the taking and then I think would be unbeatable and even at the final four then do people want to take him out because he's made such a big move but Surrey is such a good shield Surrey is like such a good shield even so and Janine is still not turning on Luke even if he does it

so you know he has fire anyway I mean yeah so that's the other thing is that you know I think that there's going to be a little bit of a tease like, will Janine turn on Luke? I mean, that was a very public display. It was by far in a way, the best thing that Luke did in this episode was, it's not on the level of like, you know, A.K.

and company being like, Sharn, do you swear on this holy Bible, a tribal council in front of the jury that you will go to Rocks next time? But, or that you will vote with us in exchange for us not going to Rocks. But like, he does tell her, do you promise that you will, you know, take me to

top three and she says yes, and he gives the necklace. That is something that could very much be used against Janine should she pull that off. So I completely agree. It would turn the situation from a 2-2 into a 2-1-1. I mean, I think what Luke should be operating under is that fear of what happened in 2019. She already relived it in the form of losing that immunity challenge, but this idea of like, he had nobody. That's the thing about a final four vote that I am hoping certain people get the chance to watch a witness and remember that final four votes can be fun and they can be very engaging

and interesting to talk about when people get the chance to vote at the final four. Who would have thought? I think, well, with Luke as well, he's, you know, he's working in a season that should behoove him because people aren't looking to take up big threats. They're just looking to get to the end.

That gives you some space to take out that big threat and still be protected. I think Janine still would be lawyer. I think Janine's a very specific type of player as well who is, you know, in many ways kind of above the game. And he's also one of these many people, even like Shawnee, who just wants to get to the end.

The fact, like the three Australians just teaming up on Saria Favity goes, even though Luke has just made this big move, I could see it even though you would think, well, Luke just made this big move, we should take him out. I think the sense of loyalty, I think that sense of just wanting to get to the end, would very much be there.

Because there's how to operating in the space where everyone just wants to get to the end, and you're the one actually taking out threats, but are protected by the fact that other people will be loyal to you and just go to the end with you. If Luke can be the one person to capitalize on that, that would be amazing, but instead he's just falling into, no, I'm just looking to get to the end. So he's not capitalized, I think, on that space and opportunity that he would have.

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BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming Ontario. Not to mention, I think that, and listen, I want to do a little bit of like a jury jeopardy rundown for all the situations we could face in the finale. Like, the easy argument you make, especially in a poverty-less society, is if Surrey gets to the end, she has locked in poverty and the three internationals, and that's game over.

Like, we need to take her out because she is the biggest threat at this point. But I think that from Luke, like, the thing he needs right now, bar none in the final four, is at least one person. That is not what he had in 2019. He tried to get Pia to force a tie, but he was essentially a lamb led to the slaughter once he lost that challenge,

because nobody was going to hear him out. He wanted at least one person, and he succeeded there. He got Janine no matter what. As you mentioned, he had her promise right there. He gave her the necklace and this big move. He put himself on the line for her. I don't think she's turning on him. I think she could also, you know, again,

Shawnee is more the one to talk up Janine's public speaking skills than Janine herself, but I think Janine certainly has an environment where she's like, people might not be able to differentiate Luke's moves from mine. And so I can speak to that a little bit more. And I probably am a better speaker than him, given all of my experience. But I do think that it's just much better to take a chance on the fact that an Aussie final three is going to be more appealing to Ashani than to force a two to tie. And even then, you know, you're going up against Surrey. You saw directly what Surrey's firemaking skills are.

I agree that I think, you know, I spoke about this with you privately that I think, in a. retrospect, especially if we do get a Parvety win, that really the moment that forever shifted the game was that singular thing where Cass plays the idol for Lisa and, you know, the foursome finally forms across different sides of tribal council.

This could be the other moment. This could be the real missed opportunity of if Luke takes out poverty here, the game simultaneously to your point, opens up wide, yet also simultaneously closes off a lot of other people's options to allow him to still go to the final three.

And the thing, if you might ask Parvity, would you ever play that on Surrey? And she's like, no, it was always going to be on me. Like, maybe you can't take out Parvity here. And you've let her get to the point where she has an idol at the final five and then a very good chance of winning at the final four. But this does something. And the minority votes to take Surrey out from under her. And then he will be under.

And then as a backup, he is Carl Stahl undermining her to say, I made her tear up the idol stealer. And then she couldn't protect Surrey. She wanted to be here with Surrey. And she's not because I did that. And I actually think that would be a pretty powerful argument, even if you can't get rid of poverty. So there is something there.

And it is really interesting that this whole end game is built up in this four-person alliance. We saw it come together with Janine. Lisa said in the ex-interview that she felt like when they were between Luke and Shawnee, poverty was like protecting Luke. So it might have happened earlier, even though we obviously start their relationship from the auction.

I kind of wonder, like, how much is David in this alliance? Friends of friends right here. Like, that's like a connective tissue in this alliance. Friends of David. Yeah, let's do this in his honor. Yeah. So I do kind of wonder, but it is crazy that, you know, you talk about not turning on, you know, not turning on Joe, like Carl and Joe, like that loyalty was cult like through a whole season. And this has been days, just a couple of days where they were not working together at all. And it comes, you know, it trumps great moves, you would think, to go against each other. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, it's not a serene poverty because there's really nothing they can do here once Luke win. and they're running it down. We'll talk about Sarat's Path.

It's great for poverty. But yeah, I'm just, even like Janine, Janine should be looking, obviously, to just at least go with the three. The three Australians. Like, it's crazy to me that they don't, I didn't think they would, but that's a discredit.

Like, I really think that they should have been looking at. Taking a shot at the Americans. Yeah, I mean, listen, I'll make another comparison to Survivor 48th here. I think the reasons why Shawnee goes here are actually not too dissimilar from the reasons that Mary ends up going in surviving. Iber 48, but she talked about this at the beginning of the episode.

Like, she's in the, arguably, I'd say, the swing position in between two duos. We've heard this story before. It can sometimes be a really, really good spot. But in this particular case, because these two duos were so loyal to one another and summarily so loyal to each other to the detriment of some of their games, then it just leaves Shawnee as the easy person out. Not to mention that like Mary Shawnee has a very different narrative, but like, I can imagine people would be like, if Shawnee gets to the end, like, it's Shawnee.

She finally made it to a final tribal council. They're going to vote for her. She is arguably the Surrey of Australian Survivor, which is very funny that it came down to the two of them by default, that it was like Surrey versus Ozzy Surrey, as much as she's saying she's Ozzy Parvety. But again, it's ill-founded logic. Perception is reality when it comes to Survivor.

And I think a couple of these people's perceptions as to how they think they'll do in the end and how they think the people they will be sitting next to will be perceived, is dictating a lot of questionable moves made essentially in service to poverty and surrey to an extent. Yeah, and I mean, in some ways, I get it. Like, these are very sparkly people. That's why they've been cast multiple times. That's why they've had success.

Of course, they back themselves. Like, they're, you know, they're not actually winners, but they are kind of like winners in life. Like, of course, like, they don't have that. I mean, remember that petition that tried to give Luke $500,000? He pretty much was a winner at that point. It wasn't a petition. it was a go-fund me. He got that money.

Yeah. And also he won a Celebrity Big Brother too. So he is technically a winner as well. Exactly. So these are people who back themselves fully and in ways I kind of get it. It's kind of like how Cochran talks about like a degree of paranoia is good. A degree of self-doubt is always good. That voice in your head saying, but what if I can't win in this configuration? I should aim higher. I think it's a thing to do.

And I think it was there for Luke and he lost it. But I feel like Surrey has a more interesting part. she's always going to struggle at a final round, especially if she can't make fire, which I'm hoping, I'm hoping for redemption. However, that practice kicks in, yeah. Well, it's been a week since

she did it and lost. So that's a concern, and she's like not likely to win a final challenge. She had the challenge that was probably best for her at Micronesia because it was about like holding little things and she's a nurse and even so lost it at the end there. What is Ceri's best path?

because even if she went with the internationals, which was not a route afforded to her because they didn't kind of bring her in on like something possibly happened with poverty and then she kind of had to lock in with poverty and then they get rushed out the door. But even if she goes with them, like do they take her to the end?

Does Lisa lock in? And like Lisa said in the ex-interview that she was still trying to reconcile like where to sit with Zaree. Like she obviously knows she would lose to Surrey but that is that like extreme loyalty. Even that just gives her fire. Is having poverty as a shield at four the best possible course?

but then it's like poverty probably wins that challenge but is the chance that poverty loses the challenge even if it's a 10% is that her best bet and if that even happens is she looking to even take out poverty? Does she give poverty fire? What is she wanting to do?

And what is the best passissory in what's always a tricky final end game here? Yeah, because what's interesting is that we do get at least some of the logic that Luke and Janine are espousing which is this like we want to go specifically to the end of poverty because to beat the best you want to beat the best. We know that Parvety very much wants to go to the end with Surrey

because of this mentality of like, I want to finish what we started. It should have been us in the final three. I want to rewrite the history that made me win when I might have lost. Like I respected Parvety, but I don't get it. I respect it. But we haven't gotten yet Surrey's perspective as to why she wanted to go to the end with Parvety.

Because I agree, again, we'll go through all the scenarios. Surrey's best chance of winning would be if Parvety wasn't there. Again, she would have a guaranteed four votes locked, if not more, game set match. With Parvety there and her there as well, there's a chance that a la Micronesia, again, talking about finishing what should have been started. They may split the votes there. And so, again, it's that difficult thing. I mean, that's the crux of Survivor, is that her biggest competition,

the one that stands the biggest chance of her specific jury votes, has been locked in with her the entire game. So, yeah, is it this idea of it? She is just too appealing of a target to take out of four, despite the fact that she can win F4. And if that's the chance, why not try to, I mean, again, Luke is going to, I guess, take them, make the move to sort of wipe Janine off the table.

But then, like, why not get rid of Janine? Go with the strategy of who's the best shot to take out poverty in that vital immunity? Shawnee's good at endurance. Let's keep her in there. And instead go for someone that, you know, Jason style, shambo style as well, like the least likely to help accomplish your goal of making parvety lose. that challenge and therefore leaving her up

to risk of going. Well, I don't really blame them here because Parvity has been told Luke has an idol. He does have an idol. He will end up giving the necklace to Janine and then wearing his own idol, even though I think that the plans were pretty locked in. But I think that their hands were tied at that

point. I blame Luke and Janine because I think that they have an option there, especially Luke, who comes in with so much power into this tribal council. So I kind of get it for them, but I think more like on a macro sense for Surrey, I don't hate it's not great

but like the idea of parv will be a bigger shield than me and that's how I get through that final challenge by having that shield if she loses a challenge it's a big if but it's my shot I don't hate that

my concern is like that's not what she's looking to do she's always wanted to sit with poverty that loyalty goes beyond even best interest and she thinks she can maybe beat poverty which I don't rate as highly so I think that's my concern as well

is also that they would even if like Janine wins immunity that they would still vote for Surrey because she's a better fire competitor because they seem to have Janine has been really close with Surrey but Luke seems to have really locked in with poverty so I don't know even if she has

that shield and I also don't know that she's looking to use that shield I would love to ask Surrey what the plan was for poverty because I think I think that's important I think that the end game is always tricky I think not being able to pull out a possible final immunity win, which someone like poverty does have, which is such an essential

skill that makes such a well-rounded player, I think. Right. Because it makes it really get a jail three card, right? It's like, hey, no matter what, if people are turning my way, I can always back myself and get that necklace and guarantee they don't have to vote for me. Maybe it's a thing from Surrey's perspective of like, I know as soon as poverty is voted out, I'm vulnerable the next round because the argument would be, well, she has one locked in vote on the jury. And so then maybe from Surrey's logic, it's like, if poverty's voted out, in final four the next round they can't get rid of me and so it's like getting rid of them at the exact final opportunity without them being able to turn on her next time given that narrative

wait i don't understand if you get rid of poverty at four explain it to me well it's so that when that's like okay why wouldn't she turn on poverty before i'm thinking about like why would she not turn prior to this round oh right then it's like have her as a shield possibly yeah exactly or this idea of like not even a shield but more so like you know i know i know We always do these fucking half measures in Survivor where you get rid of one person in this powerful duo and you don't get rid of the other one because it's like, oh, they're powerless.

But it's this idea if you get rid of poverty, the next round you're like, well, poverty is on the jury. And if we let Surrey get there, poverty is definitely going to vote for her. That is reason enough to get rid of her. If it's at the final four, there's obviously no vote after that. So it's not like you can enact that logic. That's more so what I was saying.

I was applying to like, why would she not turn on poverty before this anyway? Well, I don't think she had the opportunity. I think that Surrey's choices were go with poverty or go with worlds and the worlds were taken from her or they didn't invest in her and that kind of happened and even if she goes with the worlds does she make it to the final tribal council with the world who we've said are the most self-interested players

worlds who have gotten to the end and lost and even Tommy said in his ex-interview like don't want to do that again you know they are the ones who aren't just saying let's just get to the end And to her credit, you know, they, even in losing the world, she came back well, which Anina Luke who have taken her at least to this point and are playing in a less self-interested way to win and willing to just kind of like carry through with these big threats. I don't know if the worlds would do that even if she did have really great relationships with them.

So in some way, the worlds are not like this perfect path. But then the perfect path becomes poverty. Well, that becomes our other option who is this really big threat. And in ways, there's not a good shield because she herself is protected. it, if anything, Surrey's been getting Parvety's votes. If anything, poverty is immune and Sarri might go on bouncebacks or on splits or on decoy votes or any of the things that Surrey has been copying from poverty. And then Parvety is most likely to be immune at the final four, where Surrey will become

something of a default or Parvety might seem protected as maybe someone who's better at fire where, you know, it lands on Surrey anyway. So Parvety is not an amazing shield anyway. But if there's anything there and using poverty as a shield, I think there maybe is some limited capacity beyond how much poverty might be protected, but it also comes down to how much is Surrey even looking to do that. How much is that her thought process other than just like, no, I'm just going to have two votes with poverty,

try and get over Janine and go to the end with poverty, which I don't like as much. So I think that the path is tricky, and I'm always going to give Surrey that grace, but I'm just trying to work out what the best way was for her to navigate it as someone who's incredibly terrified that Sarie's about to go out in a fire competition. I mean, listen, first off, we've been there before. Maybe it will quite literally burn less.

No, it won't. It'll be worse. It'll be much worse. I mean, was the play maybe last round on paper to sort of do what Lisa was trying to think in a last gasp effort of like, have her and Surrey and Shawnee try to do something? I mean, God, imagine if Surrey and Lisa had did, had collaborated on a three, two, one at the final six. Like, I would have had an aneurysm. Like, I would have died in my chair if that was the case. if two were the best three to one players in Survivor history

were together. But three of them were they were no two one to be had because the other three are just I mean, that's true, but if they had manufactured something because again, they're that talented. But, but maybe maybe it was that. Maybe it's, you know, having Janine go here. Because then that also leaves Luke a bit more of a free agent. Yes, I could lock him to poverty and they both have two idols.

But again, you know, I think the argument, Lisa kept pumping this argument to Luke of like, do you want to really lose to poverty and maybe he can finally take a bite out of the reality Apple instead of living in La La Land like he has been for the past couple days to your point it's incredibly tricky

this is one of the biggest double-edged swords Surrey has ever carried in her survivor career having essentially a locked in vote no matter what but someone who is far in away her biggest threat in the end

I would say even more than like Aris you know, in Panama. She has not really faced this before. And it's an incredibly difficult conundrum. Good. Yeah, I mean, even that. I mean, ours is in poverty, though. This is poverty.

And this is poverty playing like this. Yeah. So, oh, it's an enviable situation. I wish again, I wish we got into our headspace. I wish we knew more about why exactly she wanted to do it. Again, is this another thing for narrative's sake of like, Oh, I feel like Parv would get burned if I ended up taking her out after she wanted to manifest this dream for us.

You know, what was all the giggling on the hammock for if we weren't going to make it to the final three? I'm not entirely sure, but it's a tough path for her to go down. And yeah, to your point, I think the most logical line of thinking for the final four vote is just going to be a straight two-two tie. that I think, you know, if Parvety doesn't win, it'll be against her. If Parvety wins, it'll be Surrey. And the other side, it's probably going to be Luke because Janine did put in some work in this episode.

I'll be it for a suboptimal path. As you mentioned, she is far and away the most drawing dead, I think, out of anybody in this final four right now. But she is at least guaranteed. She's probably the most safe person right now at the final four because no matter what, Parvety and Sarai are not voting against her unless Luke has immunity. yeah which is unlikely given that endurance challenges for Luke are like you know Australian survivor style birthing sweets

for him. Yeah I think yeah I think yeah I think that you know Surrey's never vocalized ever wanting to take poverty out of the season you know I've just kind of assumed I took it held on with an iron grip to her first confessional where she said poverty on her season I thought you won't let that happen again but actually the way

she's acted has been completely loyal to poverty And I think other than just that loyalty, which is an issue in and of itself, there's also the fact that what we're a big theme of the season we've said has been on allies with different priorities, having to pull each other over. And Surrey had a lot of that early. She was winning a lot of that when she went with the worlds and took out Tony, which is not what poverty wanted, where she took out Kirby. She had a lot in that.

You know, I think the Sarah vote poverty had more of that. But it felt like she and the emphasis on the worlds was kind of winning out in that And I was really impressed with the way that Surrey was managing that. And if anything, Parvdy wasn't really getting her ways. But since this end game, since Surrey lost the world, and I think Parvdi's got a lot of what she wanted. It's like, could they have taken out Janine? Well, Parvety shouldn't want to do that.

Everything's going perfectly to what Parvety wants to do. She's had all the trinkets. She's had these allies. And it's like, I saw people complaining in the episode eight. They're like, what an idiot, Surrey is for taking out Lisa? It's like, well, what's Surrey meant to do? She doesn't have the numbers. is what she meant to just work and be a minority work.

If she wanted to make my dreams come true and do a three, two, one, like, I don't know if Shawnee's coming over the top because, again, maybe you'll find out from Shawnee soon, but like is Shawnee's perspective at this point, like that she feels that the Australians are locked in? I don't know. That's also weird because like, again, we hadn't heard from her bupkis, and then she wakes up in this episode and is like,

yeah, so I know I'm clearly on the outs. There's a final four lines. And it's like, why, what the, what are you're aware of this? Have you done anything? to help the situation? Yeah, I mean, like, it doesn't mind. Like, Luke can change your vote here and change his own idol play and win a vote, you know, and we'll really win here.

Zixari can't change her vote last episode and keep Lisa in the game. Of course, she wanted to, but she hasn't had the power. So it's not been about kind of the wrong decisions. It's been about being neutralized, having less power, having to hold on, having to just like run it down with poverty. And then it becomes, what does that look like in an end game where poverty is probably protected? And how are you making the best out of that situation?

which is tough. And I'm not blaming the game. Like in some ways, like that's on Surrey. You know, like if Surrey can't get these things out, it's kind of like what George always has. Like George isn't going to win a final challenge and he has to find creative way to get it around it. Surrey did get to a final three once.

But then it was a final two. Surrey might have gotten there further in Panama, but Terry had the guard idol. There's been other things. She might have got in there in game changes, but there were idols. But in this season, it's not, this is the first time.

This is the first time ever. where it's not on things beyond the game. It's on just the game structure, which is difficult for Surrey. And it's not been, other times are not her fault. But this time, I don't say it's her fault,

never use Surrey. But it is, it is not deficiency, it's not Surrey. She's God. I don't, I don't want to say it this way. There are things Surrey will struggle with

that this is just a format of the game. You know, it's not a fire. challenge that they're making her do even though that is the format of the US and it's baked in whatever but it's not even that. Maybe not for 50. Like there are imagine if Surrey faces a fire challenge next episode

and not it's season 50. Everything would be tough things for me. Three in a year maybe is what it will be. But I'm saying it's not about the God idol. It's not about a surprise final three. It's not that she did enough and then got screwed. It's not about having too many idols and an advantage get in and that was dumb.

It's just about Surrey lost a life rough. Surrey is a big threat. So was poverty, but poverty has had found ways to protect against that in ways Surrey hasn't. There are things in the game that are tough, very, very tough, but

are more on her. I'm struggling. You see I'm in physical pain. I mean, I'm in, you know, more on her. Yeah. Then if if she can't get to the end, it's kind of, it's a little bit, it's like a little bit her fault. It's not like just that the game threw her over.

Like it would also kind of be, like, if she's going to lose the challenge and lose fire and be given that opportunity and still not be able to make good on it and not be able to protect that threat level like poverty is and not have as many options because they went because she didn't have power. Like some of that is on her.

Okay. Oh my God, that's physically hurt. I feel you just like lost five years off your life by saying but it's also really hard. It's a really hard pathway and she's the best person alive. On a gauge on the side of this entire chat. I mean, could it also just be as simple as She believes Parvety is the only person who would take her to the final three at this point.

She'll take her to two votes. You know what I mean? Like that's still fire. Like she's supposed to make good on fire. Yeah. And then she thought to be poverty. But the thing is all of those things are in her hands. And she has to be able to out-talk poverty.

And then she has to make the fire. Like whatever like loss before Surrey, if Surrey wins, best player alive, you know? And I have faith. I have faith. But if this goes badly, if she loses at a final tribal council, like, poverty did that. Poverty had flash in this game. And she outplayed her to a, it hurts

but in a little bit she did she did do that she's playing a phenomenal game and and if she you know she can't make the fire like she's given a final two like a two two and she can't make the fire she can't win the challenge like these are parts of like the standard

game and not even like the dumb parts of the game that killed her before yeah it's it's very true and listen that that comes part and parcel we know this is Ceres you know tough part is the end game And granted, some of it has happened under supernatural circumstances. All of it happened until now.

All of it. Yeah. Well, I mean, should we look ahead to some of these? Because, again, I think if we talk about a final three with Parvety and Surrey, again, like the, why would you want to do this? You'll lose against Parvite and a final tribal council. To quote someone who beat Parvey and her other final travel council, I don't know about that. It could be a little more up in the air. Yeah.

What are you thinking? Okay, so I wrote out all four outcomes here. A little bit of jury jeopardy. So apologies, this might be a little confusing. But I'll talk to you what I thought you can agree or disagree. We can banter about it. So let's start with, again, the most appealing, interesting outcome from my perspective, which is Black Widow Brigade gets us 3.0 at this point because 2.0 died with that double tribal council.

Well, 4.0. I guess 4.0, yeah, at this point. It be Parvity, Surrey, and Janine. going in order of of the jurors I think that Sarah would probably I think Sarah would probably go Parvety. I think that I think

it's well I mean it's quite it's in a just Shawnee Kirby Sarah on Parvety Three Worlds on Surrey Luke votes for Janine and then when it's a 3-3-1 he votes for Parvety

now or it could be that Sarah could also vote for Janine too again we don't know I mean you you talk with her I don't know what her relationship is like with the Australian. I think that she, like I think poverty's game, Sarah's a fan of the game and a fan of poverty. And poverty played a phenomenal game. I don't think that relationship with Janine would outsell.

Country pride would not win out here over. Not for poverty. Not for Sarah specifically, too. Like it might have been. But the way Shawnee, Kobe and Sarah all fell over themselves to work with poverty. Yeah. It's very true. So I do think, yeah, I think it would.

be the most interesting outcome, which would be a 3-3-1. I think Cass could also vote for poverty. But wait a minute, but if you say it's a 3-3-1... I think Tommy could vote for poverty. Maybe. I mean, if it's a 3-3-1, though, the tie doesn't go to Luke. It should. Why not? Wouldn't it go to Janine? I've always thought that just the people who don't go and vote for one of the two would just

re-vote. I mean, then if Janine votes, then it becomes like almost a 4-3-1, right, that she would be involved in? well she'd probably vote for Surrey I don't I don't think it would get to that I think Cass could vote for poverty as well you think so after I do think that you know like that there's not a terrible

shot for Surrey but it's that's the thing I mean it's it's yeah it's it's not it's the worst shot if Surrey is in the final three but it's not to say that like she gets completely demolished in the final three I think that especially if the internationals are in her corner you know if she relies on that relationship I think she could even espouse

the argument of like listen I was willing to roll with you guys. She doesn't have to show the actual receipts for it, but she'd be like, I was, I was working with you, we were getting stuff done, we got rid of Tony, we kept Tommy in, and then all this got mucked up, and so this is what I had to do. So now going to Parvety, Surrey, and

Luke, Luke, let's say, Luke wins final four, it's Janine versus whomever in fire. Janine loses. I think this is, I would imagine, so you think that Sarah would vote for poverty over Luke here despite their relationship? I think this is Surrey's best.

bet because I do think that if anyone could take some of Parvey's Australian votes, it maybe is Luke, maybe takes a Sarah, maybe, maybe takes a Kirby. People think Kirby will be bitter. I really don't think so. She's a game. I know. I think it's neat. Again, we mentioned this last time. Look at what she did with Ferris, who

as she feels, quote unquote, burned her much more recently. She immediately turns around votes for him, giving him a huge hug after he's announced the winner. I think she's going to be absolutely fine. In fact, we're going to see the Natalie Bolton question 2.0 in this finale. Yeah, I mean, but this is Surrey's best chance because maybe Luke does take it and maybe Janine votes for

Surrey on a 3-3-1 but again I think Cass could still vote for poverty and I think poverty could still get all those votes I do think that Surrey's best chance is somehow taking out Janine which they're not looking to do at all but yeah I think Luke Parvety Surrey might split some of those similar votes yeah and keep Surrey in with the worlds and maybe like eventually a Janine yeah because I think that Sarah Kirby and Shawnee I I vacillated between whether or not they vote for Parvety or Luke just given like their specific relationships.

Parvety Luke and Janine this is the cleanest sweep for poverty. I think that she that Sarah Surrey in the worlds. Yeah, Surrey in the worlds. I think Shawnee might vote for her. Kirby will vote for her. Sarah might vote for Luke.

That's probably the only exception. It might be unanimous. It might be a clean sweep. Tommy might vote for Luke. Maybe. But Luke didn't go with him and when he definitely should have. So maybe not. which would be wild

because that would give Parvety assuming that she doesn't get any votes at the final four that would be a perfect game Yeah I could see it I could definitely see her unanimously winning that Yeah and the last option would be The poverty less option right

Which is Surrey Luke and Janine I think that this will be a Luke versus Surrey battle but I think as I mentioned before Surrey's got assumingly the three internationals and she's got part of her law At least four or three at the very least. She could have Kirby.

Could have Kirby as well. Yeah, I think Lisa will be advocating for her. I think that's the Surrey win. So that's it. So there's a part. If she wants to do it and if she can do it, which is a BF. So, I mean, that's something. That's a shot. But again, I think it does dispute some of these people

that are like, Surrey's drawing dead. What is she doing by keeping poverty in the game? I think her options are more open than you would think. It's not ideal. It's far from idea. It's so unfortunate that Pave is just so, locked into winning that final immunity challenge. Like, Janine's maybe

it's definitely the best other option to win that challenge, but like, Ceri's not going to, Luke's not going to, like, Luke's really struggled on those endurance challenges. So, I want to talk about poverty, who's been so brilliant. And I haven't podcasted since, like,

the week started. So I didn't see, like, the reaction. I haven't podcasted since I've seen the reaction to her bluff and everything. Yeah. I've got to mention this year and maybe we could talk about it with Rob as well, but like I was really shocked people were like, that's cheating. I'm like, that's lying. That's bluffing.

Like, it was crazy to me that people, like so, such a big reaction to it was, is this in the rules? It's like, if she goes up to Jonathan and is like, I'm playing this to take Cass's idol, Jonathan will say you can't do that.

But she's not trying to do that. She knows she can't. She's saying to Cass, I can take your idol and not showing anything. That could be a blank piece of parchment. I don't know if you can hand over idols at that stage of tribal. council. But if you want to go up to someone, it can be like, I have this parchment. I can steal

your idol. Give it over and they don't ask to verify and give you their idol. Like, you have that idol. That's a bluff. And it's funny because the people doing it that we, like the people we reference are Tony and Rob Ventillet, ironically, the two people that she has feuded with in the season. Rob made up an advantage that didn't exist. Exactly. He didn't even need any forever. No one has to verify anything. That's a bluff. He's allowed to do that and it's brilliant. Well, not to mention, like, how far removed is this truly from people who make fake idols and wrap it up in real paperwork, you know? Exactly. Exactly. If you're just, if you want to, yeah, I'm just, if you want to make up a fake thing, and the thing is like poverty could have been

caught out. It takes one person saying, let me read that. Jonathan, is this allowed? Okay, well, let's see what the parchment says. And she gets found out. No one asks to do that. It's the pure power of the bluff, the same way someone might do with an idol or make up a fake advantage. Anyone can do that at any time and anyone can verify anything. No, she cannot go up to Jonathan and say, I'm trying to play this. At that point, Jonathan will step in. At the point where she is using something, the same way Jonathan would say, this isn't a real idol and throw it into the fire.

At that point, it's being used. Of course, then it is verified. But she's not doing that. She's having a conversation with Cass, which she's allowed to do. So I couldn't believe I didn't even think to address why you're allowed to bluff on Survivor. I mean, I think that, you know, to a certain extent, people were like, I mean, first of all, people felt a certain way about Cass, But I think, secondly, it's also like, you know,

for all we know, like, Cass didn't even know that advantage existed. So how could she have known that knowledge as power would possibly be coming, would she have done something differently? And, like, again, this is different, the difference between Survivor and Big Brother. Big Brother, there is quite literally a man who talks over the loudspeaker saying, you are not allowed to use production as a strategy. You are not allowed. Even if you win a power, you're not allowed to make up like how long it lasts or what it can do.

Survivor is really open. It's carte blanche. It is quite literally a blank seat of parchment that you can do anything with. And so, yeah, I think that poverty, God, just weaponized that moment so incredibly well. I think that because the internationals were so flustered by everything,

it was incredibly quick work on her part that once Cass pulls out this idol, which I don't know she even would have ascertained, could have happened whatsoever because Cass has kept this a secret to everybody, assumingly. She then immediately reaches into this and is like, well, now I'm going to steal it.

And it was a performance that was so good. It had all of us at home being like, she's not allowed to do that. Like, oh my God, OP advantage. What the hell are these Australians doing? Like, she was able, like, I honestly think this is wild to say concerning this woman has now played the most amount of days

of any, you know, survivor player. This might have been like the most impressive move she's ever made. Because it just, go ahead. Oh, no, some people didn't, I think, understand the effect. And I think we talked about this on the recap, but like the effect was I will steal it unless we're like collaborating to do something together. Like I won't steal it. If you just don't play it, you don't need to, ally. But then it became, oh, no, I'm just playing it on Lisa.

But I'll be both good with that. And it was like, sure, I'm good with it in a different way than you think. So it kind of created this congenial. it brought leverage to the situation. If Cass is taking out an idol, she has all the leverage to do everything she wants. Poverty brought leverage to be like, wait, no, don't.

But I don't want to steal your idol. What are we doing? That makes sense. So I don't have to steal your idol. Maybe you just don't play it. You keep it. Oh, you're going to play it on Lisa. We can do that together.

So, you know, maybe Cass was playing it on Lisa anyway, I think. So I think that's where it gets confused is that she didn't force Cass to play it on Lisa. But what she did was she controlled the situation where if Cass wasn't playing it on Lisa, since she was plagued on herself, she probably gets cast to not play it at all. So she had that failsafe for bringing her own leverage by bluffing in that situation. Right.

And I think that, you know, I've seen some people as well for talking about looking back on the week as we usually do in these third episode recaps. You know, I've seen some people be like, well,

how does this move look now that Luke made her rip it up? I mean, what are you the previously on? Exactly. I should have checked the handle. It might have been at previously. I think it's more so, as it always is,

with knowledge and power time and time again, it is always about the power of what it represents over what it can actually do. It's this idea that at any time I can take your idol, that is enough of a cudgel to wield, that it could be used as a tool to bring two people together. That Parvite says, yes, I can easily expend this because while it would be nice to have two idols for me and Surrey

at the final five, I know I'm safe, no matter what. And if this is an opportunity to not send up any red flag, for Luke, who I just started working with yesterday. Like, great, this is perfect. Let's broker something. Sure, I'll tear up this stupid piece of paper. I think that there's no harm, no foul in that. It's almost like, while using it in that way during the cast vote was a safeguard,

this was kind of doing away with the safeguard. But I feel like at that point, you are expending an advantage for a possible locked in ally. And you have said many times that you would rather have an ally than an idol or an advantage. Yeah, two allies. And the thing as well as, like, Luke can use that to,

you know, maybe take out Surrey here, maybe take out Parb, but she would have to not play it on herself. So I think that's a big if. But Parvety has been reading the whole time that he won't do that. And she's put in the work so that he won't do that. So that's very earned.

That's not luck at all. She's completely doing that. Do you think that Luke is looking at his side of the advantage? Like, you can play this when, when what? When could she play it? Exactly. They're like, oh, my God. No, I should pour it.

Why did I tear it hot dog style, not hamburger style? I'm like, God, I need to see the bottom half of the advantage. You can, but it's just one side. You can play this when cast. But before they cast, after they cast, when she keeping that a secret? Do you think he looked at it? It was like, you couldn't play this.

Yeah, like, no, wait a minute. Little trick. I'm a little trick. I'm filling in the context clues here. I can see the writing in front of me. Yeah, imagine if it's like, maybe the two of them will sort of like, Wonder Twin Powers activate

like put their put the halves together at the final three to be like see we didn't need to use this advantage we definitely the two of us because we both had a half of it

I saw a lot of people like wait but can poverty still use it like no no but that's not the point the point is she doesn't need to use it like the point is that she assured herself to get here without Luke exploiting her

read it well used it to build allies to get it to a final four possibly a final three where she won't even be voted for you know Luke has been saying that and I honestly believe he could do it. That's the beauty

of it. Just because Luke asked her to do it and she did doesn't mean he's winning that interaction. She wants to, she's, you know, if she wins the game on it and we do think it could be unanimous against Janine and Luke, then that was best for

her. Like, she, that's just a calculated risk that she's calculated perfectly. Yeah, I was surprised by that. It's just, like, it's just funny. It's like, that's never been introduced in the game. You know what had never been introduced? The vote verify and survive South Africa Islander Secrets.

That was fake. He made it up. You can say anything you want and anyone can ask to verify anything. Anyway, that's, that's the thing is like, it like, you know, and it's tough because obviously, uh, I think certainly with sometimes with the language barrier, like there's a lot going through Cass's head of like, obviously like it was tough. You know, if there, if there was a steel-minded player, maybe a George type even would be like, call parvities bluff immediately.

react that quickly. Not everyone's going to do that. But again, it's something that she was able to exploit. Should we talk about Janine for a second? I think obviously given unfortunately the short end of the stake in terms of our discussion here. I mean, I do think, you know, again, through the scenarios I ran through, like the only scenario where she gets any jury votes at all is with her and Surrey. So do you think she would actually turn on Luke if he loses at the final four or the second she got that necklace put upon her she was locked in to vote with him no matter what i don't even think it's about the necklace like sure he's a jury vote i don't think she's thinking about that i mean luke is actually a better person to sit next to than parven surrey

so you would think like that you might think parven surrey might take each other's votes i always say at the point when you are trying to thread the needle in a plurality final tribal council win and hoping other people split it you've lost the vote and then kind of kind of did that and I was like, Kyle, stop it. I have theories that have worked for decades and you're winning it. The mold breaker, who would have thought? I do believe that to be Treemosa. And I said with Carl as well, like,

Kyle was winning out, right? You know, like it wasn't, but it was. Yeah, I think we found out after the fact that it wasn't necessarily that. It was more so that Kyle had these great relationships that we just didn't necessarily dig into as much. But, and I, and I do believe, even on the, we've literally had a plurality final tribal council win and it wasn't because two and three took votes from each other. Like, if anything, like,

three kind of took some votes from one. Like it just would have been a bigger win for one who was going to win. Like who always had those five of ten votes. This was South Africa. It's a journey. Global five was a journey. So, I mean, firstly, she should think she should want us next to Luke even if, like, what's

the point? I'm going to get one vote that's going to give me no more money from Luke on the jury. Like, if you're looking for just Luke as a jury vote, even though I do think, like, Lisa's a good advocate for Surrey and maybe can convince some worlds as well, like, I think just looking for Luke's firstly isn't enough. Secondly, that one vote is meaningless.

Luke looks like a better competitor to sit next to. Then you think serene part of them splitting votes isn't anything. But it's not any of that. Forget everything I said. What it actually is, is she has a very long standing friendship with Luke. She's not voting him out at the final four. Again, not that she did it last time, but he was voted out.

She's not doing that. Like he has this family and Janine's life is very different. I can't imagine she doesn't give him the chance of fire. I can't imagine she ever, ever deviates. It's not just a necklace. I just think it's their relationship. They've always had, I think, a really lovely relationship. Plus, again, I will say that I think Janine is really backing herself and her speaking skills.

And so I think that this might be another reason why she personally is like, I'm fine going to the end with whoever, because I know that I can talk up my own game. I think the advantage of going to the end without Luke is that she is the Aussie. representative. I just think, unfortunately, she is with a jury of people who are not necessarily nationalists and would not necessarily be like, all right, you know, this is not Heroes versus Villains. Ozzy's are not going to vote for Ozies. Yeah, I pledge my allegiance to the nation of Surrey. Anyway, I think this will be more like Cook Islands where the Aussies don't win. But I think as well with Janine, I don't agree with it, but I do, I think that's

better than being like, Luke's one vote might be the difference. Maybe I'm splitting it. Like, I do think that just backing yourself on, you know, because when she's got to this point, I think like set yourself up with the best possible final three. But at the point where all the final three is look bad and you're at this point, the hope is just no one knows how I can pitch. I'm a keynote speaker. I'm about to blow your socks off and no one sees it coming and I can beat anyone because that's the point she's got in herself too.

Trying to, you know, finesse the best final three of a final four that is not good for her here seems really pointless to me. Like at that point, it has to be, I'm going to out-talk you so hard, and no one knows it's coming, and I would sit next to anyone, because that's how well I'm going to do, and it has to be that because that's the choice she's made,

because that's the choice she's in right now. Who would have thought? The fourth secret pillow of Survivor, out-wait out-last, out-talk. Maybe that's like the secret portion of the jury phase that we don't necessarily get to discuss, is that it all comes down to out-talk sometimes in the end. It's not so secret.

Survivors is a lot about talking. And I think that is a very important skill. I just don't know that it's enough and I think that Surrey will talk very well and I think that poverty has had extreme experience has won the game,

has won even many votes and Heroes versus villain so I wouldn't want to go up against it but I think Janie will I'd love to see it in a fun trial and so I'm sure she will be amazing but I just don't think that it will be enough.

But I think that it was crazy here to go to the two too. Like they had so much power. Like I'm saying that Luke should do it alone and he absolutely should and he should not clue anyone in so that he has this move. It was the game, maybe.

You know, he has a great shot even against poverty at that point is a good shot. But even Janine should be like, why are we not taking out Surrey? Why don't we just go there with Shawnee? And hell, if you're looking for like, I want to put somebody on the jury who could vote for me, if I have this supposedly great relationship with Surrey,

and Parvety also gets sent to the jury eventually, like, if it's an all-Azzi final three, I know who Surrey's voting for. She might. And honestly, but the only person they've actually talked about being scared about at the final tribal council is Shawnee. They've not said that about poverty and Surrey, really. which is well, because again, she hasn't,

Parvety's been there twice. Shawnee's never been there. It's all speculative. It's all like, well, I think Shawnee would just show up, say a couple one-liners, and everyone would just gawk and vote for her. And again, not to say that maybe that wouldn't happen. Again, like, I think Shawnee was definitely underselling herself a bit with like, I have a fear of public speaking.

Like, come on, no, girl. I see what happens. I know what happens when the camera gets put on you. Like, it's the exact opposite of stage fright. Stage, uh, stage bravery, if you will. But I think that. Maybe it is just this idea of, like, them not knowing the Americans game as well and just the reputation that they know Shawnee has in Australian Survivor.

It's a resume they are much more familiar with that they're like, we're going to deny you the job of finalists. You are overqualified for the position. There's just so many things here where it's like, so you're scared of Shawnee but not Parvey and Surrey. Shawnee's end game has been very lost. Like, we don't know where she's been for days. Also, I thought you wanted to beat the best.

appear for a couple days. That's kind of how it's felt. But you wanted to beat the best, right? So now, but now you're scared of Shawnee. Like, it just doesn't like, there's so many issues. Which is why the mentality never works. It's very, very stupid, but it's even more stupid when it's like, like, we can't sit with Shawnee.

Like, but she's what I can't, like, it's breaking my brain. So I don't think it's that. I also think it's speaking to seven people and Jonathan public speaking. Like, that's like a small gathering. I don't know. Well, I think people would define public speaking is like talking in front of a group in a very high-stakes setting. And I think that having $250,000 on the line is like a pretty high-stakes setting, no matter how many people are in attendance. Not to mention, it's not just seven people in Jonathan.

I mean, it's going to be broadcast to the public eventually. No? This is being broadcast. Is this public speaking? Yes. We're talking to 10,000 people right now. 100. If any podcaster tells you they are bad at public speaking.

speaking? I don't know. I think that they could then trick you to rip something up like like Luke did with Parvary. Like that's, that's not chatting though. This is being broadcast to thousands of people, hopefully.

Like this is public speaking in every sense of the phrase. Every single syllable involved in that phrase. You just wrecked so many podcasters chances in future seasons, which is so unfortunate because everyone in the new era as a podcaster. That's the thing. Is that like, that's what we were talking about. Like,

oh, maybe these people won't say their podcast. because if you say you're a podcaster or a broadcaster, that means you're very good with externalizing and verbalizing your thoughts to even an invisible crowd of people. You know, it's exact one-for-one comparison. I can also just say one more thing to tie it back to almost... Now that I'm thinking about that is making me really nervous.

Like, thinking about all the people, I don't think about it. Just imagine them in their underwear. It's totally fine. I'm not. Yeah. And it's true survivor fair to imagine people in there are, because we see it. I want to say as well,

everyone in the newer is also listening to this Australian Survivor podcast. That's true. Exactly. Like, it actually will manifest because those are the kind of nerds that are our people and we love you all and you exist. And I'm thinking about it.

We love you all so dearly. I think they were the ones that were going through the same Ajeda as you and you were talking through how Surrey, you know, might have had some elements that are working against her. I will also say, going back to one of the first things you talked about

with Luke playing the idol on Shawnee. Listen, we have seen moments in the past, to Haley being a fantastic example of this of like when you make that public display of I don't know who I'm going to play the idol on sometimes it protects you both but I think if you are actually

making a ploy to do this you cannot be public with it I think the second you are like who am I going to do it? What am I doing? If you're doing the ball and cup game from my perspective I were the opposition that I'm being like they're not going to do it because if they were actually going to play

the idol on Shawnee he wouldn't say it because then he would want the votes to be on Shawnee so he could play the idol. If he's saying I could play on either one, why would he be drawing votes onto himself then by casting any sort of doubt in our minds? If he truly had a plan in mind

to single-handedly take hold of this situation, as he should have, to your point, then he would just not say anything and play the idol on Shawnee. It's what Natalie did at the final five in Sam Mondell-Sor, right? He was like, I can play it on me!

Come on Jacqueline. We don't know. What are you guys going to do? She's like, no, no, no. I'm going to take control of this situation. yeah and he that's exactly he should have just not said that done the exact same thing and then play the idol on Johnny and voted for poverty

but I think poverty has done so well in that because I think poverty was probably going to play it on herself but it's done so well the whole season of being like it could be for me and Surrey I think they probably were a little bit scared of that even though maybe they should have read into that that she would play it on herself so she's done so well should we talk about these things in the shizzy

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Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. I am going to give. It's tough because like, I do want to give credit to Luke for the public display at tribal council, the PDA, if you will, a very different type of PDA. Like, I thought it really was him showcasing him taking control of the situation. And it also made this 10-10 with Parvety very interesting in that, like, again, I just loved the fantastic moment of chicken, damn, when it's like, okay, I'm waiting for the other person to play their idol so I could play my idol, but I want to make sure that they're playing their idol correctly. And so they eventually just sort of like almost like feed each other. I keep using this very affectionate language.

Maybe I just have Kirby on the brain of being like, I'll give you my idol to play on me if you can meet you. your idol to play on you, which is the most ass backwards logic I've ever heard what it goes to idol playing. Like the exact definition of possession is nine tense below, but like these people are probably so burned out. Like you said,

it's only been 15 days, but they've been like going 100 miles an hour the entire time. So their engines are just bursting into flames at this point. But I am going to give, you know what? I will.

Really easy. the three is i mean i you know i go in sequential order though uh i will give uh yeah you know what i'll make this will be more invigorating if we go down because yeah i agree the top one's obvious three is parvety parva three if you will uh sets yourself everything change the name at this point exactly uh this is you know maybe the most trouble she would have been in which is odd uh because you know this is the round where she was guaranteed to play an idol no matter what but due to the relationships that she's banked on through very recent exercises of trust.

She was able to make it through quite handily. Still never receiving a vote against her. Serri, somehow absorbing all the votes that are being thrown her way. So she gets voted out outright, then that'll be nine. Which would be crazy because that's the total amount of votes. Yeah, she's gone in every single other Survivor season

she's participated in. If you would have told me in the beginning of this season, like, yes, Ceres, the vote shield for Pardy, again, I would not have believed you just like when a podcaster tells me they're not good at public speaking but Parvety gets the three because she's not only the odds on favorite

to win the final immunity challenge and we tend to not get a lot of surprise there with one obvious very big exception in Christie like when you look at the body types and what the challenge typically is we tend to know who's going to win it and so I think she's said a very good chance of doing so and then as we mentioned

in the final three even if she's sitting against Surrey, who is her toughest competition, like she's got a very good chance of winning. So this was sort of the last hurdle she had to jump through, and she did it commandingly. So I think I will give, I'll give two to Surrey here,

because again, I think that there should have been a world where she would have been turned on. You know, I think that maybe it's something she fortified with Luke, certainly something she fortified with Janine. And as agonizingly insincere as it was at tribal council,

like she was able to help everyone stay the course by talking about something that can be also very well weaponized in Survivor, which is the meta. This is something we don't talk about a lot, but is used incredibly well all the way back to Survivor the Australian Outback, where Tina was able to help convince Colby to take her to the end in one of the worst decisions in Survivor history by being like, the bad people won Borneo. Do you want the bad people to win and that influence Colby to help take her to the final two and give her the win? This is something that people have been able to use

a lot. Don't Petter, a storyteller. That's what he does. Talked about it to help flip Lisa Welchell back over to his side. And so I think, Sarie, even though, again, her path is unfortunately tied to a difficult one with Parvety. I do not

think it's an automatic loss if she goes to the end with her. I think she's working the best with the circumstances that were given to her and the ones that she is looking forward to. It's very much like a steep step down from Parvati, like if Parvati is a three, Surrey's like up 1.9 or 1.8, and you're rounding it up to a two.

The one is what I'm agonizing over the most. I will give it to Luke here. I don't feel great about it. I was between him and Shawnee and maybe honestly Janine too for the move that she made to really lock herself in with Surrey and Parvety. But like, again, it was the sub, sub, suboptimal path. It's not an absolute game losing move for him, but it was denying an absolute game winning move for him right here.

But I cannot deny what he was able to do to take control of that situation at that tribal council to immediately say, me and my closest ally are safe. Now he's guaranteed to at least make fire at four and make it to that final three. And so I do want

to give him some credit there. So a very long went to a three to one for me. I will copy paste those, that three to one poverty is. Yeah, like it's a masterclass. She's so good. Like not enough to be said about how good I think this is. And like while Luke could have taken the shot, she's read well that he won't and she's built a lot of that. So it's a huge credit to her that he will make a bad

decision. Two to Surrey as well. I was getting PTSD with all of the advantages. I was, I was scared about it. Yeah, when she said like I'm not feeling a little naked right now, Jonathan. Yeah, exactly. Much like the, you know, the people in the underwear listening to this podcast. Yeah, I think that she has a shot. You know, there is something there. Poverty loses. was a challenge. There's something there. She may get out of fire or actually be able to vote poverty out and have that shield, which could have been her best bet this whole time, even though it is a very tough bet. Yeah, she got through on the power of just her relationships and that story, as you said, even though she didn't have the trinkets, even though that is a very

scary spot. And even though they should have taken her out. Why didn't they? So I think that I'm giving her two points. I'll give one to Luke. It's a huge missed opportunity. It's a massive misopportunity, you know, like if he does it, if he takes out poverty or even Surreal on the minority vote split and probably protects herself, it's a 30-point chizzy point thing for me. But, you know, there's pointless flash there, although it does have one point, one chizzy point. And that does something. It's building the narrative, as we've said. And those are the points. As I said, Dernick's a chizzy raffle. We have a calling show coming up, Tuesday night E.T.

And Wednesday morning, Sydney time, 10 a.m. about, where we'll be doing it that for the patrons where you can call in and speak to me and somewhat Chappelle who's gonna come by there's a finale event in Sydney at the Zetland Hotel

to watch the finale. I don't think I will be there but maybe. I would imagine at most half the cast will be right? The cast? No, I don't think it's players.

I think it's just like fans. There might be some players who come. I don't actually know which players are coming. But definitely I mean like of the Australians only, George is in Sydney, except Sarah, who's in Europe.

So of the actual cast, it's like not a very Sydney-based cast. We should mention for people who, this is their first season of Australian Survivor, no reunion for Australian Survivor. They've done it once, but it is just going to be. Well, there's a couple of times, I think. That's the only did it for All-Stars. I think they did it before that. Maybe 2018, 2019, 2018.

Oh, you know what in 2018 yet because it was the Russell had on the stool. You're right. Yeah, I think, and maybe 2019? maybe as well but yeah they had a period where they did it but they don't do that anymore what they do but they do similar to the new era so it's going to be final immunity challenge

final four tribal council final tribal council and they do the winner reveal on the island I'll spoil the surprise a bit as well they typically bring out loved ones for the final immunity challenge to watch people

so that'll be you don't do that year I don't know it's been two weeks and then that's the case they might as well go full winners of war and give everyone and loved ones, right? Like, imagine they had to like

keep all, what, like 60 people in a hotel from all 14 members of this cast just in case a certain amount of them made it to the final four, two weeks later. I know if Shawnee's partner and baby were there and mother-in-law. Yeah. So then I imagine that, yeah, we're going to get them coming out and assumingly,

you know, when we get, it'll be a crowded stage because it'll be the final three and their loved ones waiting for the votes to be revealed. But there's not a lot of fanfare afterwards. Like it's the, you know, mythical metaphoric confetti falls we'll get some final words and then that'll be it. And then we get to luxuriate in

the brilliance that was this season. Cannot believe it is over. Like, God, gone in a freaking flash and Phil's even flasher considering all the flashiness that has been happening over the past three weeks. But I have been... I thought you were going to say it sounds flashy because of all the naked people listen to our podcast. Very true as well. And now you can't get that idea out of your headshend. That's how I've been

able to podcast for the better part of a decade. and now you can too. But this has been, honestly, like, the time of my life. I'll, all, you know, be able to do a bit more navel-gazing next week once we actually have the entire season under our belt with the rest of the recap bitches. But, like, what a beloved surprise of a season. Again, even in a, I mean, I thought, again,

lower expectations are the key to happiness. Like, I did not know how this was going to go. I think that, yeah. That's crazy. Everyone knew it would be great. What are you talking about? Well, listen, I think that, Given the legendary cast, you never know how things might wind up turning out.

But I think it's even exceeded whatever level of expectations you might have had. Some are saying, you know, this is put together some of the best episodes of Survivor ever, if not couple together, one of the best seasons ever. I think even in episodes like last one and this one where it was not nearly as big and exciting, we've been able to spin, talk about straw into gold, you know, an hour and a half discussion out of these minute moves that these people were making. So it was just such a delioling. electable bite

of a season and I'm hoping to savor every move of my teeth until the eventual swallow comes on Sunday night disgusting I always thought it would be good and then it was and it has gone by quickly but it also has been a lot

I don't know how much more I could do as Mike was alluding to you there I'll be back with all the recap pictures so there won't be a recap right after the episode we'll be live we don't know exactly the time look out for this there'll be premiering on YouTube

like that Sunday night of the 7th slash Monday day depending on like exits and stuff we need to work it out but like probably later E.T and like more like lunchtimey Sydney time is always hard with all the

so sit down in your underwear with a sandwich and watch us prattle about how much we love this season yeah and then it will be like real public speaking because it'll be like live with people there yeah people in the chat mike well what can people find what you're doing i'm doing a bunch of stuff out there in these podcast parts uh survivor 49 coverage doing daily interviews there reality flash whenever there's breaking news i am in your eyes and ears talking about the reality tv news you need to know and big brother covering that on parade too so you

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