RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor AU: Australia V World Finale Recap

Episode Date: September 8, 2025

Survivor AU: Australia V World Finale Recap We Know Global Survivor host Shannon Guss is recapping every episode of Australian Survivor: Australia V World. Tonight, she and all the recappers (Mike Bloom, Pooya, and Chappell) discuss the FINALE of the season. To enter the Chissy raffle, donate via www.fureverafterrescue.info/donate and send receipt of your donation to [e-mail]. Raffle […]

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The adventure of the life. Hello, and welcome to RCHAP's coverage of Australian Survivor V World. I'm your host, Shannon Gass, here live the day after, or the day of, depending where you are in the world, the finale of this historic season,

and we are going to talk about it. I'm here with all of the recap bitches who are not in their day order, but we did not sort that out beforehand. I will go in the order. that is with me on screen first here's the serita my poverty we've said

okay no oh I've no Sam now I keep going I'm the suri to your parvety blah blah I've been replaced so easily it is Chappelle Chappelle thank you for being here how are you thank you Parvety as the seria I'm very happy to be here

no I'm very excited I'm very excited it's a momentous occasion and I don't think I would be like happier talking about it with anybody but you so here we are Me specifically or all four? No, you all. You all. The royal you. That's not what Surrey would say. You're out. Mike's back in.

You can't kick me out. You're poverty. I'm sorry. All right. Well, that's true. Well, look, to be poverty on this historic occasion. I shouldn't even given that to myself. But let's talk about someone who bet on poverty from the beginning. He was our poverty expert. He won that little competition we were running preseason. And then he won the draft with all the recap bitches. It is Puyo Puya. Thank you for being here. Yes, and my marriage is intact. Damn it, we did it. I'm so happy and excited.

I echo everything that Surrey said about being here with you all, the Royal You. I appreciate all of you. I'm happy to do this with all of you. I mourned my marriage a long time ago when it was clear that poverty was going to win this season, not any time before that about the marriage itself. But was there a grenade? Because you guys had Rob. No, we agreed very clearly that there was no grenade because we'd,

there were only two teams that that made no sense. You know what? We shouldn't get divorced because poverty won. We should get divorced because I would wager the marriage. You know what I mean? You should get divorced for the poor decision you made to make the wage. Yeah. Make the wager.

That was it. That was it. I take nothing back. I take nothing back. It was well, well, anyway, was it worth it?

Remains to be seen. Anyway, the seren of my poverty is here. It's a great. Mike Bloom, I thank you for being here. Listen, I think Shibuck could take that title.

Shannon, you are my survivor soulmate. And so I'm, thrilled for them to coin that term. What a beautiful finale. I, you know, certainly the expected outcome or most expected, I should say, from what we had going to this, but it did not make the ending that less sweet.

Especially considering, again, for all of us dying the Wolf fans that have been watching this show for the past 25 years, getting to hear Parvety go out on top in a manner of speaking, officially seemingly retire from the show by becoming the third two-time winner in English-speaking survivor history. It's an incredible occasion

and it's an incredible group of people to talk about it with. Do you think there are people in non-English-speaking survivor that have won twice? Maybe. I think I'm pretty sure actually Turbo from the Challenge won Turkish Survivor twice, maybe. I also then, I believe Parbity was the first person to make the final tribal council three times in English-speaking survivor. I think someone said that there was a French survivor contestant that made the final tribal council four times.

or something. Damn. A world of Survivor versus the world too, baby. Yeah, exactly. We're going to traverse a lot of that hopefully in the next decades of this format sticks.

But what a time. Chappelle, how are you feeling? How are you feeling about about what we just witnessed? I'm feeling good. Once I sat with it, like, you know,

four or five weeks ago, I was like, Parvety is the greatest player of all time. And it would be a shame if she didn't win the season. And it's just because, again, I feel like we've seen her

in so many survivor situations with so many different characters, with so many types of characters with so many types of advantages and we've seen how she's able to roll with the punches with all those things there's not an aspect of the game that I don't think property is bad at

and there are so many people who have deficits you know we can talk about that for people like Surrey who are like 100 on the social strategy scale and then like fire making we got one you know we got one damn it we got one we got one point she made it

making it all I needed to see okay yeah I cried I cheered like I mean like probably we just you know it's like put her up against anything and I'm betting on her every time and so I feel like this is the coordination she needed she says she probably won't play survivor again and honestly after beating the world and the Aussies primarily what else do you have to prove yeah I mean okay fine we can start here about who is the best player of all time and is the poverty

shallow I mean hard to argue with that I think as you said it's like there are people with really high highs and then gaps and then poverty has evolved past any gaps she may have had if she had them. I mean, in the preseason Pua, we kind of said maybe it was a more not limited, but just like a more specific type of social game. We thought Surrey might be a bit more generalized socially and poverty would have like clicks that would

kind of have an army that would often win. I don't think that's true of poverty anymore. Like poverty is two decades on. Her game has evolved, I think, past any gaps. And she certainly is, I think that the, you know, the success speaks for itself. I used to talk about this about like someone like

Haley Leak, and I do think Haley is a great example of as well. But I do think poverty is probably the most comprehensive player in Survivor history and has the stats to back it up. And I also think in terms of greatest of all time, your mileage may vary on like a Tony and a poverty for me, but I think they're the king and the queen and then it's just taste. Because I also think that Tony has evolved past his gaps that he had in game changes that he had even in Kagiyan. And I don't think that's true of Tony now. We can also do what poverty can in terms of idols, challenges are really great, like can clearly talked to a jury which we saw

like the party would do so well in this episode strategically innovative social game on point so I kind of think at that point this is like the king and queen for me of two players who are so perfect and have like wins to back it up but and I'm kind of fencing that I think at that point

like pick your poison but Puyo what do you think about that? I mean the property when I would hard co-sign I think that what's very clear and what this season showed what we predicted and talked about coming into this was could she do that and manage the threat level you're coming in as one of the the leading names in this season and the threat level was very present enough that there were people talking about it

and causing their own exit from the game by wanting to target her but i think she says it best in the one center she summed up at the final tribal which was i came in with this huge threat i got zero votes all the way into the final tribal council and i think that so she social game was obviously on point the aura was there enough that people were either terrified of her wanted to work with her wanted to get in bed with the enemy because it's too enticing not to have that storyline and then also I'm sorry but just that shot of Luke yelling

for his life at the final immunity challenge while Parv is just chill it like the woman has the physical game down the comp the comps was a big brother on the mind the challenge is down I just feel like it's hardened it's a good argument and it's very hard

now to not be able to make the case that she is the best winning two seasons obviously the number one thing people are going to complain about or try and dock points for is 16 days. Well, nowadays, plus 10 is survivor regular. So let's calm down on that. I think also look at the caliber of players here. Practically everybody for the most part was either a massive threat that made it to like final seven,

six or a final tribal council at the very least or won the damn show. Yeah. And Mike and I spoke about this a couple of weeks ago about how whoever wins this season would definitely have like more tribal counselors and some of the winners. as we talk about who didn't go to a lot of tribal councils like Michelle and Tom. And then I couldn't sleep. So I spent a lot of time thinking about how many tribal councils every winner had ever been to later that night. And I was like, you know, it's not even just like, because we were saying we care more about

vote survived than days played. And poverty played as much as like most newer winners or as many tribal councils and probably thereabouts was up. Like even like a lot of people who were in like 18 person seasons. I think Tony maybe had, I don't know, I did this a couple of weeks ago, but he was around that level as well because I think when you have three tribe formats people go to fewer tribal councils yeah I think she went to eight I think that I think from my memory now I'm now I haven't checked my math but anyway it was it's all I think yeah she went so I think and part being here

went to nine right well if you count the double tribal's two votes so for me it's two tribes going to two tribal councils each pre-merge and then having a merge from 10 like she got through a lot of votes. I mean, you can talk about it if you think that that takes away or we have to like qualify the win with that. But for me, it's like, party's a two-time winner of Survivor. Like, she won this season. The competition was very high. The gameplay was high. She did it phenomenally. And she's like a lot of votes with no vote against her, which is incredible to me. Yeah. And that's what's so incredible about this as well is when it comes to my personal values as to what makes a goat, whether it be in something like sports or competition like this.

For me, the key tenet is always consistency. Um, it's less about those high highs and low lows and is it can you put in a at least similar ish type of performance no matter what the setting might be and Harvard has made the merge four out of five seasons

that she has played and let's face it she was swap screwed in Winners of War and listen she had luck working for her one way in Micronesia luck rolled the wrong way in Winners of War that's Survivor but I think there are an incredible amount of things that obviously impress me about her game but think about the fact that when you look at this final

jury vote breakdown. It was near unanimous. And this was not necessarily a gathering of people that have been obsessed with her since 2006 being like, okay, Parvety, you deserved it. This is for everything you've done up to this point, as much as she represents it in tribal council.

Kirby was immediately enamored with her, but didn't know her from a hole in the ground. Shawnee probably thought Parvety was like some brand of shampoo before coming in here. But they were so, they loved what she brought to this particular season. This was not her coasting on her reputation.

As she talked about, she was able to prove herself in this game, in this moment. We saw in something like Heroes versus Villains, how she was able to fight incredibly well from the bottom. Here we got to see her fight incredibly well from the top, yet still kind of being cornered at nearly every point. There's no other way to call it other than a master class. I think the thing that might be working against her in this particular game is the baked-in-sur-Ree connection. to which I also say like welcome to returning player seasons like you could argue this with Tony and Sarah in Winners of War as well that like there's just preexisting relationships that people come in with we talk about that with the entire Aussie side of things so I co-side what the recap it just says we are in unanimity once again that I think it's it's really tough right now to not call her the goat yeah and also with Surrey I mean does that is that as important as how big the target was like returning seasons also have the kind of uneven playing field of reputation where poverty was maybe the biggest name with Tony going in.

So I think that she had a lot stacked against her. Like you didn't heroes versus villains. And I think she did, I mean, exceptionally well on that as well. So, I mean, will everyone now be going through how many tribal councils every winner has been to? You might be surprised how well poverty actually did compared to that in a short 16 days, which is hectic, by the way. This isn't like 16 days.

We go to like five tribal councils. Like doing that is its own type of exhaustion that I also. think needs to be talked about because other players fell away. No one else was really playing as well as they did before and Pardy played better, which is such a credit to her as well. So the episode itself kind of went, I think, as assumed. I don't think there were a lot of surprises here. I was very upset not to get loved ones because I miss HB.

So that was, you know, not even a call from HB. And then Peter was like, well, you're like, what are they going to fly in someone from Finland? I'm like, I don't think Finland's that far from Samoa. It is a day and a half away by plane. I looked it up. So I kind of get it And it was only 16 days Imagine imagine if Jared showed up

Yeah Well that was that was that was it right It was using to be Jared or HB I wanted to see HB Yeah Chappelle what did you think of the episode itself Flying that man out there for Sarita stand up on that thing For 30 minutes would have been crazy

Okay I love my mama dearly But it was like You didn't have to get him out of That's a day and a half trip for like 29 I don't I don't say 30 but I think they were being kind.

Hey, watch what she had to go through with him in the Big Brother House, okay? The least he could do is repay her in kind by going to watch her stand on pegs. Yeah, man, this is incredible. You know, it's Sarin fighting for her life once again. And the thing that we're like, oh, God, she has to get over this one hump.

We don't know if Sarie could ever win because she got to get to the end to do that. And it's just another time where we're very disappointed. But it was a fun watch. You're like, okay, maybe, maybe deep down in her, there's an endurance beast, and she's going to, nope, she's out. All right, bed, cool, let's get to fire. You know, it's like, we move on to the next thing.

I'm like, okay, Janine, it would be great if you just backstab, Luke. It'd be out of the ordinary. I don't know if it would even work for you, but just do it. And it's like, nope, not doing that. Okay, fire, we're at fire. We got it. We don't got it. But she's, look, but I saw the fire with my own eyes, okay?

And I saw it snap the little wire with the fire go up. So this is, if nothing, else just kind of telegraphing what we have coming for Survivor 50 Shannon we saw her do it it's done the curse is broken so from this episode that's all I took this journey of Surrey is really just one more that's got us all sitting at home

looking like Lisa on the jury just crying just sad giving all the glory to Surrey but being left with just nothing again I can't do it again I refuse to watch this one more time like I'm so done

I'm never leaving not a survivor I'm a faithful follower I'm faithful It was a little murky about that they were probably going to vote Surrey even if Parth

like say Janine wins the immunity challenge like Parth came in here likely winning the challenge even if not not being voted for it kind of felt like the only way for Parth to lose

would be for Surrey to win the challenge and then for Parv to lose at fire so this was so dark if Parvite wanted Surrey in the finals did she have given her

the necklace pulled a luke no no did you can wear a mentality out of here absolutely not. We don't do that. We don't do that out here.

I kind of also brought that up. Peter had the exact same reaction. Like, no. Like, what are you? And I was like, but maybe. It was better for poverty for Sarri to be on the jury. It was very touching that she really wanted her

then on the jury. I thought it was crazy that the whole first half of the episode was about whether Janine would turn on Luke, which was just never going to happen. Like, she has too much money to do this to a family man who she's been friends with.

four years, like, and also, like, if Luke's not on the jury, which we can talk about the perception of Luke, but like, at this point, then you're going up with Parvey and Surrey. You know, you're either straight up winning and you have like the pitch of a lifetime or you're not. You might as well do it with Luke. Like, he's not the thing standing between you and the win either way. I think Luke is the least of the concerns for all of these people. So I do feel like that was, there was no tension there at all. The firemaking was interesting because Surrey was really getting it. And the whole thing was emotional. You know, like I think that it being JLP's last episode

and how much we care about these players like that and the fact that this has been said by many people but the fact that the final travel council was Janine LLP JLP I'm like damn it's too I don't know there's this these are the moments that make me believe in some sort of higher power like this

this script is scripting right now you cannot make this up and the fact that as you hear about on social media like the last torch that JLP ever snuffed was Surrey I mean ideally you would want to be an Aussie player just giving his association with the franchise but like how special is that

that he gets to snuff the torch of what will now become a record six time player in Survivor history and the last Australian players whose torch he snuffed would be Shawnee so yes it was a legend I have a question I have a question would Luke have turned on Janine

is there nothing there for them to be like all right we need to rein the final three so bad Luke is let's skip the fire thing cut Janine and you can be the most cut throw player on your tribe and then you come to the end with me and Sarin should party have done that

so I don't think Luke is turning on Sarie I mean on Janine because that actually just gives him the opportunity to be 2-1-1 out of the game in the hope that they vote for Janine so that she goes to fire over you I mean you can tell them that but I would definitely like shore up with Janine in case they don't and he feels confident in fire

so but I think that I definitely think Surrey should have been voting for Janine. Poverty is perfect. Poverty is actually better with Surrey on the jury. Like, poverty doesn't, if she's worried about Luke, doesn't need to keep Luke there instead of Janine. Like, poverty can have her cake and eat it too, and she's been eating cake and cookies all season.

So Rie should 100% I think be voting for Janine. Now, this is kind of weird because I do say, okay, you should only get to the final tribal council in like situations where you can win. However, I think that her read of Luke is wrong. I don't think Luke is a concern for her. I also think her main concern is

poverty who she's going to be end with anyway at that point if she just wants to get to the end and back herself vote for Janine because Janine's with you it's a 2-1-1 anyway so you're going to win and the 3-1 would have won and if you're making fire I don't know what Janine's like a fire but they seem to think that Luke was the best so I did think for the way that she was

looking at it that she should have voted for Janie but I don't think Luke she had turned on Jane he needed to link up with Jane I'm just trying to get my mama to the final tribal council saying she should vote for Janine poverty shouldn't have see this is again poverty winning in that theme of The thing is, two people have different alignments.

This was maybe the only part where I was like, this is a little too cute. Like y'all made it to the final four, two and two. This is very kumbaya, yeah. I know you want, you're like, Janine, let's just have all the runs the world girls. Let's get this Luke guy out of here. Yeah, but they've also been working together the whole time like you two have. Why would she ever, yeah, why would she do that when you're basically telling her, listen, we're going to vote Luke. So you're safe.

Exactly. If you, yeah, right, if you want to vote. to keep Luke and vote Sarin, you can do that because you're not going to go home. You're going to final travel anyway. So I feel like they gave her the past. I 100% think you just take your chances with Luke at that point. But I think ultimately what was very clear was they rated Luke's chances a lot higher

than I think realistically it was. And once that happens, it's hard to look away from it. But then also I would make the extra argument of, well, the reality is if Jenny's not with you and it's a two-two tie and they're going to fire and you assume Luke's going to win, I went, well, doesn't that mean that Luke's going to be at the final trouble anyway? Like, isn't that bad? You never know, you know, that like...

And you've given him to look how close it was. I mean, yeah, but I think, again, it all comes down to this mystery. And I understand their misread. I mean, even given our own perspective on the episodes, like, I mean, first, we could say in retrospect now, good God, did they beat us over the head with a hammer that was Parvite's winner at it. Like, all retrospect is in the moment. But I do think that if you look at it,

again, like maybe the narrative of Luke being this massive underdog story who was left out of the votes. And yes, that can work against him, but it could work for the narrative. The fact that it's a tribe or it's a jury stocked with Aussies. And yes, while it was Ozzy on Ozzy violence, we don't know how much they would have, you know, taken that into account. He has relationships with them that Parvety and Surrey did not. That is years baked in. So I think their logic probably made sense internally. To your point, it ended up being a massive mystery. Though I I don't know. I mean, maybe we'll find out from other people eventually as to like, you know, how much was this final tribal council up in the air? Because I do think as we get into it, any sort of arguments that Luke was trying to make was firmly shut down by poverty within two minutes of her talking.

She did so well. But at the same time, you are going to the end with poverty. And poverty's played that game. So I think at that point, like Saraje just needs to get to the end. And they can sort of look is so interesting because I feel like as much as the poverty edit was beaten over the head. we were beaten over the head with it. The Luke red herring in the previously on, he did that, and that has got the casuals.

Now, Luke is Australia's treasure, but I haven't even been on Facebook. I was just on Instagram today. Just on Instagram. And as I predicted, the casuals are very confused about why Luke lost, which is very upsetting because it's like when one of the best players of all time

plays one of the best games of all time, when Luke clearly like made missteps and is overedited to extremes and this is kind of like why this needs to happen with women because even then I think it's like but but Luke you know and like all the stuff that Luke was pitching kind of that like shallow flash that we criticize they like that but then poverty perfectly rebuffs that at a final trouble council in every way saying every single thing you'd want her to say to negate that they still they still don't get it so as much as we really like it was clear and we think this is like one of of the best games ever, the public of Australia are not doing us proud and they don't seem to

understand what happened here. I think when you're branding the show as Australia versus the world and then it's to broadcast it to a Australian audience, the rest of us, we find our ways to watch it. The Australians are like, we're here, we're the home team. This is the World Cup. We're hosting. We're taking this home. And Luke is, you know, granted, I think if Luke just votes part of the out, two episodes again. he very well is the winner of the season like that's entirely possible here so that being said

I feel like that combined with the fact that he's had years of being like the Australia's treasure he literally won what was a Celebrity Big Brother Australia which was a public vote if I remember correctly they crowdfunded him after he lost his season and gave him essentially his own

$500,000 of course they don't love the man you know like for a lot of the It seems like this is their Surrey. This is their best to never win. One of their best to never win. Right. But I have Surrey and Surrey did lose and I love Surrey. The poverty should have won this thing. You know what I

need to? Thank you. Thank you very much. Even Luke's strategy was Aussie Strong. Like the branding is right there. He's like Aussie Strong, vote for me. I'm the one who should win the game. So no matter what happens, he goes down swinging and saying, I just wanted to keep the Aussie together. He would even get the sound bite of him

saying, oh, Janine, bro. the Ozzy's up. So, like, that was so funny. You know, it was so good. Wow. And then curves were toasted goddamn. Yeah, the public had to root for him. I'm sorry.

He was the people's champ for them. Well, not to mention the fact that. But to think that he should have won over poverty, to be like, he made poverty tear up her. He explained it to you. No, but no. I think Owen should have won 43.

It doesn't mean that he should have. I just think that he should, you know? Like, it doesn't matter. Well, even outside of that, like, the underdog narrative is just, so palpably tasty as like something to glom onto. Again, and

I think that Luke did some very good things. He also did some very not so good things, particularly towards the beginning and end of his game. But I do think what he was able to talk about and what has been expressed so much in the edit of like his back was against the wall. He was left out of so many votes.

Again, for some people, the strategy minded it might be counted as like, okay, well, you were very much in the dark, but others might see it as, yes, but you were able to feel your around in the dark and you made your way out there into the light. You cast your own light to dispel the darkness and you became the flashlight you wish to see in the world. And I think that that is something that I think he was hoping to bank on. I think a lot of people banked on as well. But here is, I would say undisputedly, the most popular person to come out

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you've been dragged. Like, if Luke plays the game where he does 3-1-1-poverty out at 5 or 3-2-1-3-2-1-1-2-1- Yeah, I think that's it, her out at 7, which were all available, by the way, all fully available, then, yes, that's the underdog game. Like, Marianne plays that type of game. We see that all the time where it's like, okay, I've not really been in it as much.

I've not had the control, but then I'm going to shoot the person with control, and here I've emerged. Luke never emerged. He sat with the person who can say, I played the dominant game. got no votes. I was in on every vote. She said it so well. And actually, while Parvety could rest on being then just maintaining power, which is so impressive,

she also had the flash of like that incredible bluff more than I think Luke did. Underdog should have flash, but the thing is that Luke didn't have the big wins, but he did have losses. And then he had almost wins. He had like, I really tried against Parv at that final immunity challenge, probably but you didn't win. And I got her to

tear up the advantage, but again, she negates that so much. And also, the fact that he even told her was a credit to the fact that she had bluffed the advantage. And also that she does her so well, the fact that he, she even had the advantage was because he sent her out of the auction, which was kind of harsh to blame him for that. But we did hate the move that he did send her out of the auction. So she's talking about it at every level. If you're going to be the underdog, you can't sit next to the overdog. You know, you have to get that win over. And I think

that his game was atonal because he didn't actually have as much of that fight that you would think an underdog would have. What do you think, Chappelle? you know, when he sends poverty home to the auction or whatever from the auction she's like, Luke, don't do that.

Luke, don't do that. So in the final tribal council when she's saying, and you sent me to, you sent me, I tried to stop you. It was such a bad mood to do that. You bonehead.

Yeah, she's like, you bonehead. Like, I'm begging you. Like, Luke, whatever you do not give me this advantage you're about to give me, which is not what was going on. But I love the way she flipped it

to make it seem like, you have been bumbling through this this whole time. and I've just been reaping the benefits of your stupidity. And then on top of all of that, you unpromote came to me and gave me and tell me about your idol, even though you knew I could steal it. Like, you gave me to control over your game.

And those are like, that's the death nail. You gave me control over you. That means you're not the underdog that is fighting for a position. That means you have handed over your agency and said, do whatever you want to it. And so, yeah, I definitely could see like how this was just such an uphill battle for him. I mean, Parvety was not missing at any points. It's funny when you think of it that way,

the fact that Luke banishes her from the auction, giving her the steal an idol advantage, which then she uses to have Luke end up confessing his idol that he told nobody until that point. And then she's able to have this power play. Like he literally gifted her, her best move of the season, the bluff with Cass over there at that boat.

and then this tarub that he thought he ate with that she had a retort for already, meaning he thought his best move was that moment and she took that out. She neutralized that completely. It all goes back to that auction. That is wild to think about when you look at it that way. This is why you should bring the auction back every season. But yeah, I mean, and that's what's also interesting as well is that when you look back at like the previously ons, for example, it was very luke code of like,

Luke duped parvety into ripping up this. And like, maybe that was the case. but they sort of they kind of choose to omit the fact of like and that was to make up for the fact that Luke told poverty he had an idol and then immediately regretted it and said uh I don't know rip up your paper yeah he told her about the idol because he thought she could steal it after the votes and I still to this day something I want to ask Luke is like again when he read the parchment that was ripped up was he getting you can play this nothing

because it's split up votes cast you know like did he know at any point did he lose the the before or the after of votes cast. But I think what Luke needed to lean on, and what I really think Janine needed to lean on, was you what you failed at poverty, if this can be a fail. And let's amp it up. Because here's what I think Luke should have said on this at least. And here's what I think

Janine's bit should have been. Is you wanted to get here with Surrey? Where is Surrey? On the jury. Because you ripped it up, then you couldn't save you and Surrey to get to a better final four, even though I think that if Shawnee's there, it's still two, two. She didn't want to go to the end with them. But you can make it

that narrative, we got ourselves to a final four where I could win fire. I made good on that. I made fire in front of the jury. Now, I'm sitting here with Janine. Now, I don't think that that's really a big win because I think this is still Parvite's best path. I think it's better to have Surrey on the jury and not be sitting next to her. And Parviz still going to get to a final challenge. She's definitely going to win and she's going to get to this point. But you can then amp it up. You can't say you don't care that Sarin's not here. You just cried about it. And even more than Janine, here is the pitch for Janine. Firstly, obviously, like anything about flawless game and loyalty, much like Sean, who I think Janine is actually friends with,

that just allows you to be tripped up. You've set the criteria for people to trip you up on. Definitely don't do that. I think that Janine's pitch needed to rely on two specific things. One, I puppeteered Luke. So, and we did see a lot of that. And we actually saw both ways. But, you know, I was telling Luke, like, he was my shield. He was, like, the big rash person, but I was making these connections and telling him what to do. I don't think that's a winning pitch. But I think maybe she gets one over on Luke the way that, like, Eva kind of flipped that with Joe in 48, like who's the alpha of that pair to at least like maybe come second.

And then I also think the major thing that Janine needs to say is Harvey and Surrey, you really thought I was going with you. But I led you like lambs to slaughter to a four where I knew my two would get through and Luke and I got here together. Parvety, you didn't get that.

If the only loss you actually technically had in the theme, I would laugh in your face. I was laughing your face, Shannon. I got it and you didn't. No, here's the thing. You're like, oh, you didn't get your number to here. It's like, well, yeah, I played the most.

impressive number one game so I don't really mean it's like but you get it's like telling somebody well you really had the goal of going to the survivor spa and you didn't get to go there and that was your one thing that you wanted it's like well I'm in the final three it's like oh yeah it's not you didn't get the auction it's like okay thank you congratulations yes but it's something poverty wanted that she didn't yet it's Janine telling like they believe Janine they seem to really believe you would vote for them and she she was never going to vote with them if anything she played it she

she talked about it badly because she said she was conflicted she should have said I was never going with them, but I took them here knowing my two would win out and I got what I wanted. Do I think it's a winning pitch? No. I don't think there's any winning pitch against Poverty's game. I just think that's better than a flawless game than a loyal game. I don't think it's that. But I think it's a win over Poverty over something Poverty wanted that she didn't get because she believed, to be fair, she did believe Janine would look out with them at the final three. And Janine wasn't going to do that. And the final four worked better for their pair, not for like, and was bad for Serri, not for Poverty. But their Pernie, but their

care got through to that point. There's at least a win there over poverty that they cannot say in any other way through the game. But I'm sorry that you hated that so much. Anyone else, anything that Jeanine could have said? I mean, okay. Wow, what an audience? What I will say is with her omitting statement, like obviously her saying her game was flawless, fairly cringy, especially you know, when she is met with a pretty big receipt drop from Sarah. But I actually, again, I can understand the logic because, and I don't know if we clocked this in a previous episode, but I found it very interesting that when JLP was like introducing the challenge,

introducing the final tribal council, he says the winner will be crowned the greatest of all time. I cannot remember if that criteria was said in any previous episode. And I feel like when it's a winner versus that illustrious title, you have to kind of change the narrative for yourself to be like, okay, this is why I'm deserving of that title, apparently, rather than just the one of Soul Survivor. It's why Luke says that he should be,

he's the world's greatest survivor player. And I think it's why Janine says to her fault that she has no faults. But I think that was absolutely a recipe for disaster. Also considering that, again, it's all about reading sort of like the temperament of the jury and what you sort of feel like the theme of what they value in gameplay is.

Now, each and every person is different. It's one of my favorite things about the final tribal council format. But, I mean, when you have Surrey putting forward the BS narrative to last episode of like, well, we should all be showing the world that honesty and loyalty win now and Sarah's rolling her eyes. You should necessarily lead with that as your bedrock, right? Of like, but I was loyal. Don't we all like that at the end of the day, Survivor players? It's a very hard case to make when your point is,

I was loyal to this person, but then you weren't loyal to like three people that are sitting there watching you. You know, it's like, that's not what you think it is. That's not the sleigh you think it is at all. So to me,

there, I mean, the reality is, you know, we've talked about doing this in the off season, Shannon, where we all, we all come in and everyone's got to make a case

for a losing finalist and why they should have won and like, plead their case. Yeah. Put yourself in their shoes. Yeah, we should definitely do that.

Right now. I would need time. I would need time because I think for Janine's, it'd be a very uphill battle. The two people, the three people, the four people, the five people you could have been sitting at from like busy final six, I don't see you winning against. So I don't know what your case is.

Like I just don't see it. I think her best, her biggest moment was this rift she put between Kirby and Sarah. But the worst part is she doesn't want to claim it as something she's done that way. Yeah. You know, it's she's like, it wasn't what you think it is like, no, no, no, tell them it's exactly what they think it is and you had to do it to get here because you

and Luke were on the outs. Like, why wouldn't you say that? Make that question. Yes, exactly. That's what you say to the Sarah question. The Sarah question is, why then? Okay, because David went home. We haven't just been fighting from underdogs when the Australia tribe broke up at the merge. We've been on the back foot since David went home and actually what happened.

See, there's something here for real because actually what happened was we were on the bottom and we flipped to the top. Sarah came to us and then we put Kirby against Sarah and had we gone to another pre-Murch tribal council, even with Sarah immune, Shawnee was going and Sarah was definitely going and we actually had all the options at that point. We went from the bottom to the top after David went home. Yes, then it got to the point where it was trickier at the merge because of the fact that we had to fight from

that point. And we still made our way back from that point. I took out Kirby. That's the biggest huge vote as well. She can really talk about the great work that she did there and then talk about leading serene poverty to at least not getting there as a pair and getting to that point having been the underdog and being the underdog queen that Luke wants to be the underdog king. And I think there's something there, but I don't know why it wasn't about, okay, well, it made sense pre-merge when I didn't want you and Kirby to have all the control on this premurge tribe. I think there was something there for Janine for real. But instead, I feel like she couldn't really answer that. Does anyone else have anything she could have said there?

Yeah, I mean, I think that, I mean, it's tough because in final tribal councils, one of the cardinal rules is like, don't really talk about the pre-jury narrative. But I think that was 10 days ago. Exactly. It was a week ago. Because the pre-merge was so short and the vast majority of the jury was there and it directly led into the outcome at the merge. I think it does make a lot of sense.

And again, that's the narrative that the she should have gone with. It should have been the underdog narrative. Slash, I guess I would say, the top dog of the underdog. Look at what Luke is trying to claim. I had him on a leash the entire time. He was reigned in in terms of his gameplay and I rained him in as well. Look what I was able to get done without him.

but she instead again chose to go with and maybe it's the godmother thing as well right doesn't she say in confessional like I can slip throats but I'm always loyal to the family like I don't know I guess she

when Harry bestowed that moniker upon her five six years ago maybe he created a monster in retrospect that now she is like carrying forward into her second game feeling like she has to embody in so many ways I'm sure Harry wherever he may be would enjoy that part of their rivalry

I thought that she was going to say that she's the godmother because she'd taken people out but she'd also granted wishes like she did for Luke so I really thought that that's where that's where that confessional was going

yeah I think that there was more that I mean Sarah's asking about something that happened in the premoge like she's having that conversation with Luke in the premoge so you have to talk about it at that point also can we talk about this

the best thing that Luke did in the whole final tribal council was letting Janine take that bullet when we saw him tell Janine to break them up and he was like oh curbs got toasted god damn and actually he had

done that. So I think that was really good. But I do think there were ways for Janine to put herself above Luke. We feel like Luke had been had all the flash. She'd had all the bravado. But Janine actually had the receipts. You know, again, she had told Luke to do a lot of the stuff. She had controlled a lot of it. She had done the Kirby vote that Luke actually wasn't even a part of. Like, Luke is completely left out of their vote. And that's a massive vote. I think she could have separated herself. But at the end of the day, I don't like seeing any negativity towards Sarah for voting for Luke, someone she's been friends with four years. She's entitled to the same way. Let the jurors vote how they want to vote.

In some ways. I mean, certainly for their long-term friends, for sure. Especially if someone who played with this person a decade ago. Like, again, it's, it's fine. It's fine. Yes, Parvety playing a perfect game would be incredible. The ink on the check is still dry, whether or not she got six or seven votes.

And maybe this is just me. Maybe this is just me. I feel like unless Parv got like a barely four-three win here, then I'd be like, what were y'all doing this was the perfect game what this is still like a big like i don't think it changes the legacy of the win one or two votes and like again you're talking about this is like this is like for example this like if me and chappelle went on a show and we've known each other for like what 15 years and he's at the very end and like he's against

uh don't say me don't say my no i never was going to do you vote for us too you vote for okay the only person i would vote for in that scenario over chappelle is surrey because i'm like finally, Cere's here. Let's get Cary of the crown. Why do you should help, though? Why don't use all of us as examples? I know he might not win. Let me give him the nod.

Let me tip my cap to him. That's my guy, you know? Yeah, because he's not winning. But Mike and I are already winning. So that's why you don't need that. Is that what it is? Yeah. Because you could say that for any of us.

Obviously, if I'm in a game and I don't know the other people and any of you are there, it's not just Mike. Like, I will vote for any of you. Yeah. But did you play the best game, Shannon. That's my criteria for the end. For me, but not for yourself. No.

I'm a social player. You're a strategic person. I actually got to get their own vibes. I'm shiny. Chappelle don't mind if I give them charity, but I feel like you, you care about the merits and the foundation and the things of the game,

the main things. And I would respect that in you. I don't like when people get zero votes. I always want people to get more votes. Like, I hate this whole thing. She has to play a perfect game. Like, who is that important to

except the most insufferable people, right? Like at the end of, and I'm unusually insufferable. I'm just saying that I like, I don't like when people get zero votes. Like, I would have liked you need to get a vote, but I actually don't see whatever it would have been coming from.

Yeah, I have a question, Shannon, about Janine. I know you've made a good case for a case that she could possibly make. Thank you. Thanks so much. Not a good case for her, but a case that she could use, you know? But I think that like,

what was the perception of her going in? You know, if she's like, we're coming at this as if what she says matters. But what was her perception when she came through the door? Was it, is this Janine the scrappy underdog? Is she the dog mother? Like, what do you think the other people saw her ass? that she could come in and be like, I mean, to have anything over Luke and poverty at that point,

it'd be really tough. Yeah, I think that that's the issue is she's coming in as the godmother, but she wasn't really the godmother in the season. She didn't control it. Poverty was the godmother in the season. Let's be quite honest. So I think that Luke knew to talk about his underdog game, but that underdog game was shallow and it hadn't achieved the things we wanted.

Janine didn't even know to talk about an underdog game, which actually could have gone a bit further in the thing she did was like the Kirby vote and the thing she did was getting one over. heavy quotes on Parvdi and Sorri to get to that point, but she didn't know to tell that story and such a massive part of final tribal council is knowing how you're perceived, knowing what the story should be, and then leaning into it with staff to back it up. But I do think we see, as we often see, it's not just that you're running down and uphill because you have different juries to speak to you who are more open to your game. If you've played a better game,

if you've been more social, if you're sitting next to someone who's been better, like it's a much harder case. But also, it's just a much harder game to defend. That's why this is the best I can give for Janine, okay? But for Parvival. I mean, she does it perfectly, but she's sprinting downhill. Like, her game speaks for itself and she speaks to it well. So I do think this is why I don't recommend going in with someone who's going to slaughter you and hoping for the best at a final travel council. Can I also ask, do you glean Shannon from the exit interviews you've done so far?

And maybe the interviews you'll go, but I mean, I mean, of the ones you've done of the jury as well. As to, like, what were the internationals relationships with the Aussies? Because I think somebody that also really benefited poverty, I mean, you and I did a lot of these jury scenario run through's last episode that we did. And the fact the matter is, Parvety obviously had these tight relationships with people from the World Tribe that again, I didn't think we're necessarily

going to begrudge her for being like, oh my God, you got rid of us when again the evidence she had was like, well, I heard you were coming for me, which was true in that moment. And then also we know that she had obviously bonded very closely with Kirby and Sarah. Did we get the sense that there was

the similar type of thing with Luke and Janine, were any of these world players talking about bonding with them as quickly as, you know, Kirby and Shawnee did with poverty in the Merch tribe? No, I mean, definitely not. I think that as they said, there was that like disconnect between the Australians and the world tribes. And like, Luke is like, to be fair, I tried. But there wasn't that knowledge of them. There isn't like the reverence that we've had for these players and the aura for some of the best social players of all time and people like Surrey and with poverty. And I actually think that Luke focused too much on that. Like,

we didn't actually get to see, like, Tommy asked him, like, were you saying Australia's strong? You, Luke, are the only patriotic person here, seemingly. You and your fans are the only Aussie strong people. Maybe that speaks to some sort of base. How does that make me feel? Yeah. But yeah, then shouldn't I vote for world?

Firstly, it would have been like, well, poverty's not from Finland, Tommy. No, that's a good question. I like the question. It was a great question. It was a great question. We didn't really see Luke answer it. Luke is like, I try to work with you. And I don't think Tommy really cares.

He's like, I get what happened. Like, it's fine. Like, you screwed up there. Like, I've taken. But I think, we could spend so much time justifying why he didn't work with the worlds. And I don't know that that really matters to Tommy. Like, I think that they all kind of get it.

I think all the questions were good, though. Weren't the question so cool? A lot were good. Yeah. A lot were good. Yeah. I thought the Tommy question was dope. Like, you can't do a whole like, Ozzy this, Ozzy this, I'll do that.

Because you know if he was on the jury and you're sitting there fighting a losing battle because you can play the best game in the world. But if he's so Ozzy strong, it doesn't matter. You're going to just vote along tribal lines or whatever. kind of like Sarah always voted for Luke like it's fine that she's doing to do that that's her prerogative but for me as a person who wants your vote damn I ain't nothing I can do except move to Australia to get your vote that's crazy so no I'm with I'm with Tommy I thought it was I thought it was dope question Kat and of course Cass is question too amazing I mean I love that

that's always so tough to hold their feet to the fire of like yeah talk openly about what votes you have it really is sort of a lose lose situation in that like you've got to be portrayed as oh you're so cocky that you think you have us in the bag versus oh you're so misguided that you think we have it. But again, Harvardy was I think very much able to play it coy to not seem as like, again, she was able to use that

giggle that has gotten her through a decade and a half of playing in reality television to be like, I'm just being silly about this. I don't know. You kind of just pressed me for this. I agree that by and large, a lot of these questions were good. What questions were bad, Mike? I love, I love Lisa. So,

so dearly. And I love that she loves Survivor. I will still say she is our audience analog. It was incredible to watch her on the show. Loved how matter she was by calling out her, uh, editing her own montage. This is the biggest softball of all softball questions. I've seen it quite some time of I love Survivor. What do you love about Survivor? No, because she's trying to show that it doesn't matter to Luke as much as it matters to her. But the thing is that that that is unfair because it doesn't matter to poverty as much as it

doesn't matter to any of these people. We're talking about this breezes. These people would, if they weren't on it, would they be watching the show? Highly debatable. You know, Poverty, like, it means the same to Luke and Janine and Poverty as each other, which is, I play it. Like, I'm Janine freaking Alice and I'm still here twice, you're welcome. You know, I'm Luke and I've spent how many days away from my wife and kids living and breathing this game?

Now, he could have done a lot better than Crabs. I really do believe that. Like, what he should have said was what I think is legitimate. Like, people don't have to be a super fan to care a lot about this game. Because lived and breathed this game. The one good thing that he did say is he thrives. out there. And I think that hearts back to a really beautiful sequence he has in his boot episode of 2017 about how like he's meant to be out here. This is where he feels like, yeah, he's meant to be.

And I think that that's the answer. It's like, why do I love this game? I've played it three times in seven years. I've left difficult family circumstances to do that. It has been my life. I've done two seasons of talking tribal. I was on Big Brother. I was on the traders. Like, you've welcomed me into this world. Sure, I didn't know who anyone was and I watched Tony clips before I played the first time. And now I'm here and can I give you the stats? And do I remember that I watched a season of New Zealand and was on the penultimate R.JP recap? I do not.

But I love this game and I lived this game. For almost a decade, I have breathed this game. That's Luke's answer to that question. It was a softball, but he can do a lot better than crabs, I think. But she's trying to trip him up because she thinks it doesn't matter to him, but it does. I was a question. Did you like the answer?

Crabs. I like crabs. I like crabs. I was confused. I was confused because I thought she wasn't talking about. Survivor. I thought she was like, give me something you love as much as I love Survivor. To be like, my kids, I don't know, footy. Crabbs.

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extra this is the thing though because you know you mentioned that well some of these people probably just play it they don't watch it i understand that though you know once you live it that's like you were there yeah you've done the thing especially with all of them they've done the thing at a top level and they've made it like they've become household names on a top level like i can't blame them if they're like all right i'm looking for something new something different that isn't this still i get that it's it's i mean and maybe this is more just me. I'm a lot less precious about

like, you need to live, breathe this game, be a proper fan of this game. I'm like, if you enjoy the show, you enjoy the show to whatever degree you're watching it. I might not agree with your takes, but that's fine. Like, I'll be okay. Yeah, and the thing is that all three of those people

have dedicated a significant portion of their lives to reality television. I did like the question. Look, I feel like to defend it. I like the question because to me, I really feel like, it does matter to me. It does matter to me if you care about the show, especially if it's like something momentous

like a Survivor 50 or AU versus the world. Like, don't get me wrong, it's not going to sway my vote. But I definitely want to hear you talk about what is it so great about this? Is it just that you got on TV and people really liked you and you love fame? Or, you know, do you,

is there something about the experience that sticks out to you? What is it about meeting the people? It's about the gameplay, you know, about the crams. If you like to be out in the wilderness and that's your thing, then talk about it. Never runs to crabs, okay? my professional advice.

Never crab. Yeah, I mean, that's probably a good advice. But, you know, I do want to see that you have a passion for the thing that you're doing because there are people who would take this and they would love it, you know, even more. It would mean so much. Like, we were just talking about it. But Luke and Sarie, it was like, I need to get to the end. I just can't do that.

I just need to get to the end. And that means so much, if you ask him, Luke, why do you have to meet get to the end so bad? He can probably tell you, like, all these years I've been trying to get to the end. And it's always been a thing that haunt to me, blah, blah, blah. He gets to the end. He's saying, what did you love about this experience? So I would just love to hear you talk about, you know, what it is you like about the game. That's all.

It was an unfair question. It was a fine question because if you want to know that someone is passionate, that's a value that you can care about. You know what I mean? Like you can care about the same way you can care about intelligence and strategy and kindness. Like you can care about passion and investment. Sure. But it was just unfair because it was mischaracterizing Luke. Like he doesn't care about the show the same way that you do, but he cares.

Otherwise, he wouldn't be here. You know, like he wouldn't have done this three times. He wouldn't keep doing reality TV. he does love the sound of people clapping, but I don't think that's it for Luke, and I think Janine doesn't need to be there, and I think poverty has dedicated lives of, you know, decades of her life to this game, and they don't need to know

what happened in the penultimate episode of Survive, New Zealand, Thailand, but you think that they would if they did the recap, but it's fine if they don't, because they just love it in a different way, and that investment, I think, is also valid. They all pulled up because this was the winner of AU versus the world. This is the international

stage, and they wanted the title. I mean, the the money is 250 was it 250k 250 a year so Pav one less than serried in the trade isn't these are things that I think I think I think she got like one 160 something yeah yeah yeah it's basically

a little more than what she got for runner up of heroes versus villains this love of the game this is love of the game for sure he did it for ball yeah okay 150K for US for two weeks is actually great like I'm not gonna but you know but for sure they're not like even Jeanine was like it's not about the money right let's not think about how much money I have let's get that out of the way and that was actually that was probably good to start it on that point we've not really talked that much about have in this final tribal council I feel like she was saying the podcast we've been doing which was great no notes for me I mean I love the way that she answered that cast question saying I would vote for you cast because we urge others kind of rivals and that competition she has the bankable votes in like a Lisa in a surrey and then she goes to Kirby and the way she answered Kirby's question was perfect I was so

glad we didn't go back to the, but you vote out your number one nonsense, which was what the edit gave us. She told us the truth. She did not have the power to save Kirby at that point. And if she could have, she would have. And she was sad about it. Great. Like, Kobe shouldn't be upset at poverty. It wasn't poverty's fault. That's the thing is that, again, when we look back at these tribal councils all the time we get, we just saw this with Kalin in Brains v. Braun, right? Somebody coming in and trying to outkick their coverage and being like, you don't realize the role I actually played. I'm responsible for all this. And again, Harvardy wasn't saying I was in control of every boat.

She did a really nice job of straining together this one particular soundbite of like I either knew the plan or I was in control of the plan. And I think she also knew that, again, I do think Kirby was still going to vote for her no matter what, but she knew that Kirby was personally hurt. I mean, Kirby makes the umpteenth metaphor about this to a romantic relationship, uh, you know, only two degrees away from going full Natalie Bolton at this final tribal council.

I needed it. Ah, so close. Parvety was able to thread the needle here and be like, listen, I know you're upset and I'm not going to say I was in charge of this, you know? And I think that for some times, depending on the person you're talking to in the way you're perceived, this answer would not work of like, listen, I was just, you know, I was that much as much

of a victim as you were. I was just sort of a bystander here. I had to go with the flow, but because she knew the way that Kirby felt and again, the narrative that she was putting forward was I was always told about the plan and she even was able to again, dangled this carrot a little bit she didn't stand on her beliefs of like I could have played the idol on you

but she at least said like I was weighing my options which is to again substantiate her point of I had options when other people specifically the two sitting next to me did not yeah and the thing is all true and fair because at the end of the day I mean her game allows her to do this because it's such a good game

to talk about but she doesn't over talk about it when Tommy asked her stuff she's not like no, I did want to work with you. She can be fair to Tommy. She can be, she doesn't say, I knew you were coming for me, internationals, which actually would have been wrong. They didn't end up coming for her. Cass and Lisa weren't coming for her and they weren't voting her out at that final eight. She says, and you didn't want to sit next to me. And it was coming at a point. Not untrue. Everything she said was accurate because she gave herself that space in all of those times to talk about those things, which I thought was so good. You were saying Chappelle as well.

I don't remember. I don't remember. Probably. Poverty and Founder's brilliant. Poverty and Founder's brilliant. I mean, she's amazing. She's great. No, all that, all that good stuff. Like, I don't remember what my thought was. I agree. I will say there's only one point against it, which is, and again, it works so well, it works so well as a narrative, but especially now that she has her second win, the whole rewriting history thing, I think we should leave behind with when the hourglass was smash.

Again, I think it works well for her, considering that she is in Samoa and she was able to, you know, tell us to the cameras, tell this to an audience. audience, but, you know, I hope we can maybe put this 15-year argument to bed of like, all right, now that everyone's been recreated now. Which is crazy. The argument's actually now, like, which is bad. I mean, to be fair, I just did the ex-interview with poverty. Can you imagine?

And for her, it was like a very personal loss, you know, like she took that hard for herself. She's allowed to have that internal struggle of something that she didn't achieve 15 years ago. we as fans should be kept the two queens have won two times and we understand why those wins happened and some people think Luke should have won here and those are a different type of fan but I think that this is only that is the worst part is that the argument

like actually this should put to bed and we should all be fine and happy but actually now the arguments will restart which is so unfortunate yeah I guess that's true now right because I think the thing that people banked on was like well Sandra won twice and Parveen won once and now that they've won twice and they're both in that metric Now it's a lot of this, you know, game of inches of like, okay, but Parvety did this better and Sandra did this better.

So, yeah, I mean, the good news is that the two of them at the moment are on the same page. I guess the better question is, as you mentioned, is the bridge going to be burned once again like it was 15 years ago? And then we have to have another trader season where they're back on together and peppermint brings them together once more. No more traders. No more of deciding this on the traders, though I am very glad that I have seen Surrey. no offense taken, no other thing I don't want to be the first one on the panel to congratulate you on being the fourth person

in this call to interview Parvety Shalows but a long time coming. Damn, she played all our shows but I think she liked me best. We can ask you. You say so. He's never answered, text Parvey and ask her to rank us. She was like, no, I'm not doing that.

Parvety will do it. She'll be like, firstly, I don't remember any of those other guys and I just spoke to you. so I will also recency bias would be your friend is what you're saying whatever it takes that you think like Vegas can't be chooses I'm very very fine with that yeah I guess like not a lot more

on on poverty's father travel council note perfect the bluff stuff was great you know the bluff is such a great move and she spoke about it so well and yet some people still don't understand it so that was great it was one of those classic like again we've gotten this a few times

Marianne Kyle etc but the whole like a lot 11th hour reveal of hey I only read to 67% of what this was like it's great for the reaction again I'd be intrigued to see how much it actually moved the

needle you know how prepared the jurors were to vote for poverty no matter what but it did in the opening statements pretty much demolish either other person's chance of you know maybe making a couple of vote dent into her total

but like from my perspective at least she had it done and dusted once she ended up dropping that bomb. Yeah. She's so aware of the game that she played. And I think that's what her biggest strength is, is that we see so many people get to Final Tribal Counsel and we're like, why didn't they say this? Why didn't they show this? Why didn't they do? You know, and I think

Parvety saw the cool shit she was doing the same way we did. She's like, this is the best game I've ever played. I was like, yeah, I just said that a couple episodes ago. I'm glad you know that. I'm glad you know that you're like eating right now. Like this is some like next level. She should. Yeah. She should. It's the sexy move. She should have said, I made the same.

sexy move. And I would have been like, bet. I knew. I knew it. I knew it. But, you know, I think knowing the narrative is really where she kind of goes. Like, she's able to identify that I was the best. Now y'all got to beat me. And it wasn't like, I was the best. I didn't know it. And so now I'm trying to cover it up with like loyalty talk and you betrayed me. So I betrayed you. We see that so many times. But I think for her to just be like, no, this was the best that could be done. And there's nothing you could do about it. Now, explain to me why you did not get me, the one a winner left at this point, like, sitting next to a winner at the final travel council, it's crazy just in general. Like, I just, like, as a macro perspective, I think we would all

advise against it just because they have that winner, you know, like, kind of glow, and they still did it because they couldn't get rid of her. So, you know, her being at the, um, in the challenge, it just be like, this is my challenge to win. Like, it was just straight face, stone cold killer. No, I'm not, I'm not sweating, Jonathan. I'm actually going to win the challenge. It's mine. Thank you. This is my immunity. Like, it was, she was so sure of herself. and she knew exactly how to make sure that everybody else was aware that she just didn't stumble her way into this, but

she did on purpose, you know? I felt awful for Luke in that challenge. Like, that looked visceral when he felt to his knees and, like, just rolled to have got injured. And poor Janine's like, congrats poverty. All right, I guess I should see that this guy as well. Yeah.

Yeah. The thing that gets me is like, would they really evoked a for sorry if, like, Janine is immune? Do they think that that's the better fire shot? And if so, how is that possible? Because even if, like, they might lose to Surrey, I really feel like Luke is trying to get specifically votes that that Parvety is going to get and not Surrey.

Like, Surrey's getting, like, the internationals. But I feel like Parvety is like a Kirby vote, a Shawnee vote. Like, those are votes that Luke is trying to get. And still, I think. So I think that their game kind of speaks for itself on what happened here. I feel like Janine kind of didn't get respect early in a way that was maybe gendered and maybe we kind of see that, which is bizarre. because literally I have a boost juice in my fridge right now

like that is Janine freaking out of and I do I do feel like sometimes that perception is created where it's like she's just getting less respect and then she not that she did enough to like in her pitch or maybe even even in her game like to get past that but I do kind of feel like they decided like you're the goat in a way that was weird

with Janine early I don't know if that's just my perception but even the way like George was talking about George is different but I kind of got that sense maybe a little bit I don't remember exactly what part of said to describe the two of them, but when she was like,

I'm sitting here next to Australia's treasure and a boss-ass CEO who's doing her thing. I was like, I was like, true, but this says nothing about her as a survivor player. You know what I mean? Like,

that's what it was. I feel like she was getting her flowers for her acumen outside the game, but her like abilities in the game were always in the shadow, like barely recognized, I feel like. Yeah.

Yeah. That's such a good point. Because like, is it that Luke and Janine are both goats and then, but Luke has the added benefit of he has the idol and he can win one of those final challenges, right?

They're like, if Luke is in the final three, it's because he beat us at something. And so that automatically raises his bread level in a way they're like, if Janine is in the final three, it means she beat us at something, but that's highly unlikely. She's not going to beat me in endurance. She's probably not going to beat me in fire. Like, I'll be okay. But for Luke to have done it, he hasn't, something

has had to bounce in his court. You know what I'm saying? Something has had to go in his direction for him to be like, okay, and he was able to capitalize on that and get himself to the end. It was never going to be straightforward for Luke to get to the end. Whereas with Janine, it's like, she can probably get to the end, but, I mean, if she did, it's not her own doing. It's like, for Luke, we have to stop

him from winning immunity because we're going to vote him out because he could at least have immunity or fire over us. They're not worried about Janine winning immunity or fire over them. It's just not maybe she's great at fire, but we see she's not great at endurance, like in a way the same, like a poverty would be, I guess. Yeah, no one's poverty.

Janine has won endurance and immunity challenge. was before in a way that's actually usually better than Luke and now that that doesn't speak well to the fact that he does outlast and gives it everything in that final challenge but I just don't know why and I do think some of it might be like demographic in terms of like we can just take you need to the end and beat her

it's like who decided that that's Janine that's so rude like but Luke no but you know what and not even Luke no but Luke is this huge threat and serene her final words even in confessional it's not just that they're trying to amp up this reality although I do think you start amping it up and then you start believing it but like Luke is a real threat

well they played a very similar game but if anything Janine has the extra Kirby move and you know Janine's done like this other stuff but Janine is like the person everyone wants to sit next to and we've all decided that's Janine but Luke is a real tangible threat to win just because he's been louder about it just because he's the likeable young

guy and that is Survivor but I do think that's a large part of it. Yeah I mean it's tough when you have this move in the previous episode where Luke stands up at tribal council again we talked about this proportion and goes up to Janine and it's like it's not

I was also considering, again, very much in Roche's respect, especially, the move that he should have made, that I'm hopefully you'll be able to get an answer with him and Janine on in your interviews. But again, we talked about this all the time back with like the Rick Devon's dates, right? About like sometimes it's just about the panash you do at tribal council. And in that moment, he was claiming a narrative of look what I am doing. Look what I, look at me getting Janine through to the final four. And he talks about it in his final tribal council. And then she repaid me in kind. you know he says it in his confessional i think that like he signed a contract with her right he got into business with boost juice and then that investment pays off 14 days later is it just me or does that just sound like oh the one person you should have had it was still like a wishy-washy maybe you had that you had to make a deal at the final five like i feel like that should have been a slam dunk pick like you don't that is not a good argument if it's like yeah we're against these two and i still at the 12th hour i have to make sure that just

Janine was with me at the final four is tough. I feel like that's not a good art. That's not as good as he may have thought it was to be like, and she paid my debt. She brought me in here. Like it also, it also made it like, yeah, I was dead to rights if not for Janine. Like it's not like, yeah.

Yeah, you can look at that either way. I mean, at the end of the day, if she's taking him there to her detriment, then he can claim that. If she wants to say that she's not scared of him and she dragged him there, then she can claim that. And that's really like a perception thing. I think what he did well was he talked about it at the George vote, voting for Shawnee on the fly and the trust that that created early on. It would maybe give

a little bit more weight if they weren't allies in 2019 and I've always had a really lovely relationship, but I'm sure she knows his family well and all of that. So I think maybe that takes away, but I think Luke was doing some good stuff around like story and when I first auditioned and, you know, he has a bit of the humor, but I kind of feel like there wasn't more than that, but there wasn't a lot more to speak to because the game was inconsistent. But I think even on that never crabs you know never crabs though but like i still think that there might have been yeah that was hard and see always never crabs we we saw some mistakes throughout the season but the gameplay was very high level i think it goes to show you when people are sitting at tribal

council and they're like why did why did you vote me out well because you didn't take me to the spa it was like oh yeah you left us it's like that came up way too much i'm sorry i mean i mean it was the only reward challenge they did. And also it happened three days ago. Yeah, it's like, you didn't take me to the spot. So, you know, how was we supposed to know we're going to work with you? Like, all right. Yeah. Okay, cool. You know, like, I just feel like

you're like in a regular season of Survivor, you get such like bigger, more egregious mistakes, more like blatantly obvious things that you shouldn't do and like social errors that you make and where people shouldn't trust you. And here, you got some of the best of the best plan. They're like looking for a reason to be like, yeah,

I think Sarah threw out your name one time, She says you want to vote me out? Not really, but I'll take it. You know, it was the best I can do. You know, they were making those like moves out of nothing. And so to sit at the Final Tribal Council and have to combat that where people weren't making the huge errors and the huge mistakes. Like even the Parvety thing, you know, with Cass, they weren't, they didn't turn on

poverty. They weren't about to come after her. You know, it was like, she beat them to the punch. But it wasn't this mistake that they made that led them to the slaughter. You know, so I really enjoyed the fact that this season put all these players in these tough situation where they had to kind of rationalize their moves and know why they did it and know how they were perceived at the same time

and maybe it's just because the season's too short, I don't know. Well, I also will say, kind of weird that Luke also gave that spa-based answer to Tommy's question. Yeah. Well, when you didn't pick me for the war, it's like, is he Cass's keeper? Like, Cass made the choice. Yes. Right.

By association, he was the Keith Nail on the spa trip, but it's not like he was, I'm assumingly whispering in Cass's ear. Hey, pick these specific people. we are we are all legends of our shows franchises we're talking about a spa reward yeah the spa award

the air you versus the world come on yeah stop playing with me man I like Tommy's questions I think Tommy was a standout at final travel council right I love how we pushed back on five he was like yeah he needed to what about me yeah he's like when were you going to work

with Tommy but you know Tommy and Cass both you know playing this game in the second language but also having the standout jury questions in the second language is kind of dope, you know? I love it. I got to say lower expectations are the key to happiness, and I was so incredibly impressed with

the two of them. I mean, I think, unfortunately, as you all have spoken about so eloquently, like there's so many further barriers they had to go through that would make things like the bluff really tough, but the fact that they were able to do what they did going through this finale

with everything that they came in with, if we do an AU versus the too, and we can certainly talk about, you know, whether we would want or probably, or, you know, where we would actually see that down the line. I think this is a great example of like, yeah, it doesn't need to just be US versus AU, you know? Let's include more people because with the exception of you, Shannon, and the devotees to Survivor Quebec and Survivor Finland, like, nobody knew who either one of these people were. And I think a lot of people fell in love with both of them for very different reasons over the season.

Speaking of Survivor Finland, I also felt what was interesting is like Luke's pitching kind of to Tommy that he played the underdog game. I'm like, ah, but had you seen Survivor Finland, Luke? Much like you did watch Survivor New Zealand, Thailand, you would know. Tommy was up against the person who kind of won for being the underdog. You'd had that transformation. Tommy was the one who maintained. I kind of think that's the game he would respect.

And I loved ending on Tommy's voting confessional, which was something like, the level you played at with that target on your back makes you the greatest of all time. In a different language, you couldn't have said it better, was such a good way to finish that. That was the last thing we heard from the jurors' votes. I also

loved Kobe and Sarah teaming up. We knew they went to Jury Villa back to back as the queen and the princess, the princess again of Jury Villa after all the beef. Their arc is one of my favorite arcs ever. And it's like, what happened with that? We did not get Jury Villa videos. Like, are you guys okay?

And Kobe's like, you know I'd be coming after this queen. And they're like, they put their differences aside to come for Luke and Janine, mostly Janine. And I feel bad for Janine. But I was like, I'm so glad you guys are okay. And I'm so glad. I would just, I'm going to say it. Kobe and Sarah for the amazing race.

Like, I wanted. Wow. Who would have thought that Kirby would be part of two of your favorite arcs in Survivor at you history? Probably anyone. Kirby's like legitimately incredible television. It's amazing we found her and we should never give her up. See, that's the thing. If you would ask Kirby, like, what does the show mean to you?

She'd be like, I found out about it this year. And I freaking love it, you know? And that's legitimate. So, yeah, I thought that was great. Anything else from the final tribal council? Because I want to talk about Surrey again. Does anyone else have anything else about this? Oh, I loved, I loved JLP's side eyes.

Like, God, such a great reaction to, again, to your point, Kirby and Sarah, double-teaming Janine, and just Jalp's reaction in the moment. Obviously, he did not know that this would be his last season, but what a great way to like, again, throw in all these little moments. I don't know if it was purposeful or not, to just show that, like, this guy has been eating this season up. If he had pulled a Jeff and come to tribal council with snacks, I would not have been mad at him whatsoever. whatever, because it would have felt very deserved. He was so good. He was so good. Even during the immunity challenge where Luke is like writhing in pain.

And JLP goes, Luke, you look like a hot mess for about an hour. I screamed. What would you say that to that man? But him saying goodbye to Sarie, it wasn't Jeff. But if you could still feel the admiration just like, like radiating off of him as he's like, she's like, she's like, she's like, Jonathan, don't say it. Jerk, don't you do this. but I love you and I miss you.

Right, exactly. He was so good. I don't know, man. This is your first time watching an AU season and your first time getting to no JLP, you know, I think that this is definitely a way to go out. Don't get a tap. Go back.

Go back. Go back. Go enjoy the heyday. It was so much fun. Yeah. Well, okay, so to talk about Surrey. Because she, because we watched all news again. So that was painful.

She made it. She made five. What? How do we look back at Surrey's game? Because poverty was saying, like, whatever, it speaks for itself. Luke and Janine almost also speaks for itself. But Surrey is the one that's complex for me because

is there a better path? Is she always getting to a two-two at best? Other than with Lisa, but then she has no power to do that, is the issue losing the power. She had the power in the relationship with poverty earlier on and she loses it in that double tribal and can't recover. Chappelle, you love Surrey, maybe almost as much as me. Not as much, but slightly less.

Have you spent a lot of time thinking about how this could go? Because I spent a lot of time thinking about it. I can't sleep and not. Yeah, it really does bother me. Sometimes it feels like you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't

when it comes to Seri. But, you know, she does have deficits in her game. It's the physical part is really going to be a hurdle that she's going to have to get over sometime or if she can't get over that, she's got to serri her way to the end

and only the way that only Surrey can do. And so here we see her going to the end with Parvety, which isn't great. But I don't know if you always have a season where Sarie has a parvety. I think they're like legacy of, you know, the last 20 years, the Micronesia story, all that kind of stuff.

That's a person that I think Surrey is like, I'll go head of heads up with that person. And if I lose, I'm okay. I think most of the time, Surrey has found her artist that she's about to be, you know, or her, you know, like, she's found her other person that she's like, no, I'm on the way. Come on, Michaela. You know, like she's got. One time it was actually poverty. And that's what I'm saying.

Like, so it's not always going to be a situation where she can't get over the hump. I just think that like these circumstances prove that Sarie with her. massive target with her incredible reputation as somebody who she might not win those challenges but she doesn't even have to a lot of times because she's still going to find her way to the end. She did so well in this game

I would have said Seri playing a very physical game of AU would have been like a uphill battle for her. She's got this huge target on her back. She's got to win these challenges that are more physical than the ones we see in the U.S. Serene looked like she was at home. She was back on Survivor doing the things that she always does. People were coming to her with the plan,

running the stuff past her. There's been times where Janine came to Sarie. I need you real quick. Lisa, like, hey, give me your advice on this because you're you? You know, like, because that's what you do. You know, like the Surrey glow is still working. And even Luke goes out saying some very good things about Saris, considering he's like not very familiar with her gameplay.

He sees her up close. And he's like, yeah, it's been an honor to play with you. You know, I see it. You know, so for me, this should show that Surrey can make fire. And because of that, if she needs to make fire, that's something I don't have to worry about her now. Should she make fire faster? Absolutely.

But I saw her doing. I saw her. Don't worry. Got voted out of it. Probably got voted out of 50. She does, she prepared for nothing. I'm going to be annoyed if it didn't.

Please, God. Please God. Vote it out of 50. Studying for a test you didn't need to have that day. It's my girl. It's my girl. I wanted to be able to win any season,

Shannon. But I mean, it's really hard. She'd get older. You know what I'm saying? Like so, so they're not spring chicken. You know what I'm saying?

And so like, but the challenger is. But the challenger. that she's doing. These AU season challenges, they're harder. They're harder. These spry individuals are knocking them out. Bro, she did better on the, on that torture rack than any of us could have.

Oh, absolutely. I'm out first. I'm out first every time. I'm not standing on that. I don't stand up on it. Go back to the episode four challenge. Like, that was individual and she outlasted like a good amount of the Australia. Yes. She beat them. Yeah, that was a good time. The thing about Surrey that is so mystified me.

I mean, I think you and I talked about this last time, Shannon. I do think the sliding door was probably that double casts and Tommy vote where their legitimate path with the internationals. I mean, again, you'll talk to her as to like whether she did actually anticipate going to the end with them and cutting poverty at some point. I mean, the thing about Surrey that is like

simultaneously maddening yet so hardening is that like she lost sadly, tragically, fallen angel again and was like, yeah, but I made the fire. Like, I don't know if it's just her sunny, position, but I feel like Serene with her reality TV career. We have come such a long way from her breaking all of our hearts and that confessional in Micronesia apologizing to her family.

We're like, she has been like the most fine person with Advantage getting, even if literally every other person has not. She was, seems pretty copacetic with this, obviously disappointed, but not like devastated. I don't know, maybe did the Traders win help her shine a little bit? I'm like, listen, I have that to take care of. You know, everything after this is gravy. I think, yeah, like the big argument we made in the draft, right? I think that helps, which is she is gone.

She is like a legend of this sport. And then she took her talents to other sports and also held her own there with the win on the traders, with going all the way to what fifth place on Big Brother. I think that makes you feel a lot better at, you know, I am all. I know what I'm doing, all encompassing with it. I think she does voice that being given the best to never win is an annoying title to have, especially when winning could just change that right up. But I think that with every step she's taking, she's getting a step closer, or she's leaving

in a very unique way, it's always going to feel better than going out at like eighth through like a vote. Like this is Surrey we're talking about. Her last, what, two exits on Survivor were no one voted you, but you got to. advantage get in and you got voted but it went to a fire and and you thought you were cooked with the fire you had a chance with the fire and then you know i think that was the thing what chapelle said really eased me watching this because it wasn't a while it wasn't a wash it wasn't done before it even started it was toe to toe there was i was actively thinking oh my god

what could our arguments be against par this could be interesting so that we're going to be robbed of that but i think that it couldn't have gone if she was going to leave this was like the best way to leave. I mean, what's also interesting is that obviously she wants to cross off, you know, best player never win

and just cross off never to win. But like, think about this logically. Every season, there are increasingly more and more people to not win the game. And three keeps doing well to a certain level where she has that position

at number one. It becomes arguably even more of a prestigious title every single season she participates in. Yeah, There aren't that many winners, but she's the best to never win. No, okay, this is, okay, three doesn't go home with a majority, right? Damn you, plurality votes. I'm doing this whole time.

No, but I think that here's the thing about this, is that, as said, with great pain last week, this isn't because of the God Idol, this isn't because of the surprise final three, this isn't advantage getting. The heroes versus villains, there was stuff there, but, you know, I blame Tom and Colby for that one. But I do think that this was somewhat of Surrey's own making.

because she got through to this final four, that was tough. But then I think maybe almost winning fire was the best shot. Is she getting to a space where she has more than like a two, two here to take her through? No, and we do know that she has those gaps where it's like she can't rely on winning the challenge. She can't like fully invest in winning the fire and maybe this was as close as she could get. But I do think that the things, the two things are Ceres game is like she had, I think, the control through the pre-merge. Like, compared to Parvety, because that's always what we have to do with these

amazing women. It was like Zandra and Surrey, which sucks. But, like, I think that Parvety's game earlier on did not have the emphasis. Like, she was good at protecting herself and she got the idol. But like Lisa said, she would have been gunning for poverty next on a pre-merge tribe, and like, poverty had the idol, but she

didn't have really the control. So Rhee had that social capital and the control. I think poverty gets back a bit at the Sarah vote and then loses it a bit at the Kirby vote. And I do think Sarie was on the up there comparatively. But then in that double tribal, Pav just start slaying and she never stopped slaying. And the ascent is, it was still good. Like the beginning of the game is still good. But then she like goes so high. And Surrey, like the game starts slipping from under her. She

doesn't have as much control. And then she doesn't have the outs here at the end. It would have been a hard final tribal council for her as well. We need to talk about that. We need to talk about the fact that it looks like she would never have cut Pav. And I don't like that because even game aside and the game is ridiculous from poverty. I think poverty comes in with the name recognition that Surrey, other than with Lisa, doesn't have. And I think poverty is winning in that duality. And I don't think that's the right read.

So those are my two major criticisms is losing the power through the double tribal and beyond, and then never cutting poverty, which while beautiful, I think, is flawed. But I love Surrey with my whole heart, and I will till the day I die. Would you vote for Sarin against poverty? Yeah, I would have.

The same way there's a lot of work for loop. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying? Like, maybe Saris doesn't need, like, the like she just needs to get to the end. But that's not, but that's not this cast. I think it is. I think it is. If he plays a better game than poverty, poverty gets that. Parvety gets Johnny and Kirby. I'm telling you.

I disagree. I think these people are sitting on the jury. I think Saris spent more than three hours with these people and so they're already ready to vote for her. In my, in my life, if she gets to the end, it's unanimous. Sarah, no. Thought about her vote for Luke, but she wouldn't. She didn't. You don't know that. Please ask Luke. he lost fire who he would have voted for in the final

though. And listen, he might try to save face by saying someone else. He's voting for poverty. We know, look, until I see people not vote for Surrey Cass is voting for poverty. I have to believe she will win unanimously. I have to believe this. I'm sorry. I'm not seen, show me the proof. Show me the proof. Show me the proof. I think

that that argument is exactly why Saris shouldn't do that because even if Surrey continued the first half of the game and is out playing poverty, I still think poverty wins on name recognition and reverence alone the same way we would vote for Surrey. even though probably just played that game. If she makes it to the end, they shouldn't even be a vote.

She made it to the end. Give her the crown. Let's get through this. Let's wrap this up. You might be a little biased. I myself am biased. Me? Bias. Absolutely not.

This is science. This is like legit. Like the numbers don't lie, Shannon. People are voting for Surrey, damn it. Okay. Well, that was what I had on Surrey. Do we want to talk about the season? Where does the season?

What do you think about the youth? Once called Times of Rebels your favorite season in Global Swive of History. Where does this? rank. Oh, this is up there. This is up there. I mean, listen, with ranking seasons, you can rank them from a, I've watched it once lens, and then you can rank it from a, is it rewatchable?

Can you watch it multiple times? This is 10 episodes, action packed, easily palatable. There are really little to no skippable moments. And it's just fun, fun, fun. It's nostalgia driven. It reminds you of the greatest hits. You know, the old, like, now that's what I call music. CDs. This is kind of that for Survivor

a little bit. It's like you got a little bit of everybody there. So for me like there were some sad moments with some of the boots that happened but that was always going to happen with this season. So I think it ranks very highly. Now I'm not somebody who has a list of all the rankings so I can't give you one of them

ones. But I can tell you this is easily a top 10. I think it might be top 10. I don't know. Yeah. Oh, I think I'm Australian Survivor. I was like, okay, it's better than one season of Australia. yeah no I'm like thinking of all of the seasons because also remember like because again I'm ranking when I'm doing it it comes down to can I rewatch like rewatch matters to me because I don't rewatch often anymore okay let's let's try to boil this down a little bit more try to do apples to apples how does this compare to other returning player seasons is this the best one is it up there it's better than winners no it's not better than heroes versus villains still I think I think I think that's the big comparison yeah yeah yeah It's better than when it's at war Better than game changers

Would say that Yes well We've got all the way better than game changes I think that Even compared to like other Australian Survivor seasons The issue is like the end game was predictable The edits became As we know as Australian Survivor quite extreme

And that's true of even like the best possible Australian Survivor as well That's probably how we would categorize this as well I think this is just so different Like yeah Yeah, like other, you know, other seasons never slow down and maybe have less predictable endgames as an example. But no other season did some things that this season did for me.

Like some of the feelings I had watching that premiere and watching a lot of this that merge and the people all coming together, this is just different. Like, I'm sorry that that's not ranking. This isn't a different category for me of awesomeness. I'm not going to rank it because I feel like it's unrankable. It's just like a completely different thing. So you asked me to rank it.

That was your question to me to rank it. And then you don't rank in it? Yeah. Is it the best season of all time? No. No, we're talking about returning seasons. Yeah. No, it's not the best season of all time for me.

I think it slowed too much down at the end game. If it had kept up the pace that it did, like, and to be fair, that's 30% of the season. It was very short. It couldn't afford to slow down. In saying that it was, you know, because poverty was so brilliant and what a privilege to watch her work, but there are more flawless seasons than this.

But this season is special in ways, other seasons will not be. This experience is up there with something like Return of the Outkars for me, which is my favorite experience watching, you know, and covering any Survivor season. Does it top Return of the Outkars? No, I don't think so, but I love it, you know, yeah. And that, and that had an AU-esque episode over.

That was 24 episodes. Yeah, I needed more. That is, that's a big point for me as well. I wanted more. Yeah, I mean, I thought it was the perfect length. I know that there's a lot of arguments, I think, when it comes about Parvite's game and about this season of like, why was it only 14 players? I don't know.

I've said this before. I think this season firmly shows to me that I think day count doesn't matter as much as what you fill those days with, that I think if people have access to grind with new era survivor, it doesn't come down to 26 days, but what they choose to put within those 26 days to make it feel like a faster pace game. But when it comes to this season overall, I mean, I'm gone on record many times to say I'm kind of weird about returning player seasons. Like if you tell me you can watch a really good returning player season or a really good all-newby season,

I'm going to choose the all-newby season every time. So I feel like if I talk about AU seasons, you know, I think I would slot it in below Titans versus Rebels, probably below 2017, probably right above Heroes versus Villains. Yeah, I really, really enjoyed this season. I think that, yes, there was some understandable consternation from people about the boot order early on that we got rid of like

four incredible characters in the beginning. That was due to happen no matter what. And I think it opened up the game a bit more to watch people like Cass and Tommy operate. I think my largest sticking points with this season is not even the gameplay. Like even Heroes vs. Villains A.U.

Or U.S., I should say, like except for a Danielle vote, it's pretty much a straight hero pegging. Like, I don't care much so about, like, is the gameplay? I care about the people that I am watching. I feel like, unfortunately, we kind of fell into a bit of the flaws that come with Australian Survivor editing, which is, again, we got a lot of poverty from the very beginning. This was her season.

She was the main character from beginning to end. It came at the cost of not being able to see as much of Cass and Tommy. We were given a dearth of Shawnee content, which was really, really sad, considering how much of a big character that she is, how important she is to AU in general. But by and large, I was so incredibly impressed by this season because you could tell Lisa question be damned, these people cared.

They were putting every ounce of energy they could possibly give into standing up at tribal council for the umpted time to whisper whether or not the plan has changed. It was a season where these people were kept on their toes not just because of any twists or turns that might be done the way. That's another big point. in this season's favor is that we got a twist, a twist.

And even then it was like a little wild, why did they do a rock doll to determine the fire maker? But again, considering Australian survivors, that's very tame by comparison. But it was not spurred on by any sort of things that were thrown on to make these players do wild and crazy things. It was spurred on

by the competition. That because these people were operating at such a level, it encouraged all these live tribals to happen and people to go crazily paranoid trying to think about what to do. That is Survivor in a nutshell that's what kept us glued to the screen for a quarter of a century. And it made me so happy to get the chance to watch this and remind myself that this simplicity that can exist in format breeds the complexity that can exist in strategy. And so it feels special to me in that regard, getting to watch all of these characters come back again and to see how special this was to Parvety.

I definitely want to mention that down the line as well when talking about what this means for Parvety at some point in her life. It was such a beautiful story as well, even if it did feel a little over the top. So it ranks incredibly highly for me. You know, I would put it up there as one of the greatest. I think for many reasons, A.U has big shoes to fill come next year. Yeah. Chappelle, did you put it somewhere? Yeah, I guess.

So for me, I really have to carry two things at one time, right? Like now of the season's over and I've seen the whole picture. I'm like, okay, what is the season's story? How does that resonate with me the characters, the moments? But watching it week to week was so riveting. I cannot remember the last time I was that excited, week to week watching Survivor. It's like, I mean, every episode, because the names, the stakes are so high. Every episode, it's like, it could be anybody.

And we don't know how it's going to happen. And it wasn't predictable. We came in thinking, David's got this big alliance coming into the game. Luke's got a good, like, boom, it all blows up because Kirby shows up. and she doesn't play those rules. You know, it's like, I don't know. It's the, the anticipation from episode to episode leading up to maybe like two episodes ago was just so high.

I was terrified to watch the episode because I was not like, oh, my God, this is going to be the one of the three goes. What does that? Yeah, and like, cry in most episodes. No, it's like we've stepped away from it because we've seen it. And we're like, oh, okay, now moving away from it, maybe it's not, it's dramatic. But the moments while we were in it, while we were like watching from week to week. I don't know. I don't think, I think we're underselling how exciting it was just seeing

them walk out onto the screen, you know? It's just, I don't know, it's a really good season. I definitely like it better than some returning seasons. But it's just, you know, there's some slow moments. I think AU for me, it's hard for me to rank them because a lot of the AU seasons, the biggest fault for them is this. It's just too long for me. It's just not my bag to watch so many drawn out episodes but it's just long it's just a lot of episodes I like to rewatch shows you know it's like I have an issue with Big Brother too many episodes

for AU it's just it's too long this kind of felt like it took the magic of AU and condensed it for Chappelle I was like hey this is perfect for you 10 episodes in and out and you can still get the same type of action you know honestly we could have used a little bit more but I think that the condensed size of it makes it like very favorable for somebody like me

who doesn't like to sit through 26 episodes of TV every time. So I'll take it. All right. So Chizzy? Because I don't think I have the cheesy theme song. Mike, do you have it or we're going to have to sing it? You know what? Even if I have it, I want you to sing it.

It's not going to be me. It's going to be all of us. Yeah, okay, Grimes. Needed someone to do that. It's shitty. It's getting chizzy. Three, two, three, three, one, two, one. There we go. Well, how did it by us?

Did you have it? Did you have the jizzy theme song? No. Why? I don't have good This is my podcast I'm not on this I don't have access to this

stream like you do I mean I can play you a clip of Rupert stealing the shoes Would you like that? Please Please We're talking about Injected into my veins

Pearl Islands me now Well it's going to be a different Chizzy because we don't have The theme song And also We had the raffle Now Rachel Johnson Won the Chizzy Raffle

And sent me her point Now, Rachel, firstly, I want to thank everyone who donated. We're getting more donations in even after the raffle. We're up to $2,830 for Forever After Rescue. And they have said that they were able to help some cast needed urgent medical attention. So we are really like saving lives here, which is so cool because this is a podcast about like Survivor and we're doing that. So I'm really excited about that. Thank you so much to everyone who donated.

I heard it from a lot of people about how they wanted who they were going to give the chizzy points to, how they were going to break the chizzy. Tommy Guam said he was going to give a point to Peter Peter then said he would have given a point to Tommy Guam so that would have been an interesting thing a lot of people wanted to break it Rachel did not break it really

I will read out what she said she said thank you for the great honor of being allowed to allocate choosy points I put on my cheesy t-shirt for the occasion and I'm choosing to steal the recap bitch's points we can see I agree with her points after the fact

yes I'll certainly a one at the end of the day we won the draft gentleman we won the draft we're good this is what matters thank you rachel she said first i would like to give an honorable mention to twinkle for being a sweet and darling little cat twinkle is her cat twinkle got an honorable mention yes twinkle yes twinkle second an honorable mention to jlp for being the greatest host in the world he's been a joy to watch and it's hard to accept he'll never give anyone else a nod to go up to vote never the jlp laugh again damn it's crazy you had the opportunity to give him a chizzy on the way out and you didn't

That's crazy. I know. I think most people would have done that. She's going to go up in one, two, three audit. One point will be a memorial point for Surrey. She was so gracious and defeat, and it was heartbreaking to see. One reason for a point is the fact that poverty wanted to take it to the end, even though they would have made big competition for her.

Their friendship was beautiful to see, and she did well on the fire. But it must have been so stressful for her after a previous loss is true. I feel like it should be a mark against Marie that she wasn't able to convince Jeannie and stay with them, hey. But I think this was a mistake by Janine. So Zaree has to get the point. Okay. I've always loved Memorial Chizzy.

Something about somebody getting a chizzy. after they get eliminated just makes so no, but when you say Surrey is getting one, it like it feels different, you know, like I just, I don't know everything's Memorial. The season is over. They all lost except poverty and so we'll see who, we'll see if

Ceree gets one for me this time. Oh, we don't get one. You don't get one. I would get one of three anyway, so thanks. Who else? There's four people. We'll get your points after. She says two points for Luke. I was very impressed with his final tribal speech. He spoke much better than I was expecting, but all came across as a happy lariken with a big heart.

The jury seemed to respond positively. He also did well at staying calm during the firemaking when his sticks kept falling down. So that was good for him, even though I was praying for him to lose. And he got Janine to stay loyal to him, which was surprising and impressive. All right. Luke, less on that. Yeah, I will say, though, the final four round was low-key pretty miserable for Luke. Like, he put himself in traction.

Probably, you know, has to go to chiropractors for life with his performance in the any challenge. And, like, yeah, it was not a blowout as much as people expected. and a lot of that is on Saraje for her underdog performance. A lot of it is on Luke as well for like kind of just haphazardly putting together these structures that kept collapsing as much as he said, he didn't want to play a big, flashy, crazy game. His firemaking pretty much represented that lacking part of his game.

Yeah, you never knew when he was suffering in those challenges, right? He just, you know, just quietly suffered. I'm joking. I'm not like he was doing birth every time. Three points for poverty. How could anyone but poverty get the three points? He was so strong at the final immunity challenge and then fantastic and final tribal,

the reveal about getting the advantage when Luke's center away from the auction and then Cass's face when she said that line that she hadn't read out before were awesome moments. Truly incredible that one of the biggest threats

in the game from day one made it to the end. Hard to argue. Would you guys have argued with those points? What would your points have been? I am very happy she had our points. I'm very content.

All the way to the honor will mention a twinkle. That's exactly what you were going to do. We love Twinkle on this podcast. Thank you all for your donations. We did something actually really special here and that is amazing. I'll give my points because they weren't stolen.

Firstly, I will give three points to the Queen. Havity Shallow won the game. It's such fine fashion. She did it so well in this episode. Like this episode specifically, it's not just that she played so well. Like final tribal council, no notes. Like final endurance challenge like we knew. It was great.

It was perfect. Three points. I'll give one point to Surrey Fields. You're just copying her points. You're just copy-pacing her post right now, is what I'm seeing. But she's doing a dramatic fashion, Puya. Yeah. One point to three, who I love so much, who almost made fire.

She did make fire. She made fire. She made fire. In time and the time of it was allocated before Luke did, which was actually the task of an Okay. Okay. She came so close and this was maybe the best route. You know, losing at the end isn't the best, but maybe it's always going to be a two-two.

And if she almost made the fire... Maybe that's the best path for her. One point is to, what a gift it's been to give her chizzy points. And I'll give my two points to JLP. Yeah. Because the Chizzy by the last day that if a host is leaving

and he was great and he was great. And he was great. On that one occasion, he or she were there ever to be a female host and they never will be, let's be honest. He or she may get chizzy points. And Rachel didn't break the choosy

and honestly respect to her because maybe everyone else who donated would have broken the Chizzy but my mom was going to give six points to JLP if she won I would give my two points to JLP and even my brother even my brother

the biggest Chizzy Purist on this earth was like I think you can do that I think that's I think it's a special circumstance JLP two points two points to JLP so well deserved can I say one more thing about Parvety as the official

probably shouldn't be before we start wrapping things up because I suppose about this a little bit but you know Parvety came out with her book a couple of months ago buy it wherever tomes are sold I suppose

but she gets into a lot of detail about the life that she has led up to this life the surprisingly I would say eventful life I will not spoil too many of the beats again very much suggest you check it out but she describes a lot of situations that taught

her how to be resilient and as much as I'm talking about you know narratives that she's claiming to help her case at final tribal council when she says in that moment sitting in those fires that like her life has led to this moment right here. I believe

it authentically. Because obviously she has played all these games of Survivor that have given her the base set of skills that she can use to come back for, you know, the fifth time here. But also looking at what poverty has gone through specifically in the past

five years, you know, between she talks about going out to winners at war and how she was not in a good place whatsoever that she felt like she had to do it given the theme but she was leaving her child behind her marriage was not on a shaky surface i should say to say the least i think she was certainly going through her own sort of crisis out there on the island and then covid changed everything for her it has been so magical to watch her return to television as honestly a different person over the past couple years and it's only been a couple years that's wild between

traders last year and then Dondy and now this you could tell that what Pardy brought to this particular season was this unique blend of you know what she was able to bring in from her past with what she was able to incorporate

from her present to make her finally feel like a complete person to not put words in her mouth and I think that almost gave her the freedom to play more fully and granted again a lot of this was circumstantial but it felt like for the first time in a long time it didn't feel like she was playing a character

that was sort of like shoehorned in by an edit or someone that had a lot of stuff going on in her mind and sort of played things at an arm's length like this felt like maybe the first time we'd actually seen parvety shallow as parvety shallow play and i think that's you know certainly bears out in her success as well so i just want to commend parvety especially learning more about her backstory and the fact that this to me is such a microcosm, not micronegeosom, of the fact

that she is in a place in her life where she can come back to the game that changed her life and freaking rocket from day one to day 16. Shannon said that she doesn't think there will be a woman host of

Survivor. I think I think if Jeff steps down to Parvity's next in line. Look, Chappelle, like I said to you when you thought to Ray would win, I said, be realistic. I'm just saying it hasn't happened yet. Where is the international franchise where a woman

is hosting the show? He's such a hater. He's such a hater. What's the international franchise where you just won? A.U. Where's the world? Huh? Where's that? Oh, it's an AU. And her good friend David got the job. So I'm just saying, crazy things have happened. Crazy things have happened. Yeah.

Zach in the chat is asking who we want on another AUV world. My gosh, if we want another the AUV world, of course we do. Of course we do. They get every year. How many times before it's like super deluded though? So that's what I brought up in our podcast. I watched drag race.

I've seen all stars. I think what really helped with this cast was the fact that because it was so unique, we got legends of the game and really great, you know, runner-ups and otherwise from all around the world. I think if we do a couple more, we could still maintain that level.

and then we sort of start getting to not necessarily the bottom of the barrel but certainly a level where it's like all right we just wanted to bring you back then let us have a sequel before we start complaining about that bring Surrey back four times like gingerment you know like we got yeah

what names do we have I mean I've I've said a few Survivors South Africa you could bring so many Palesa Marion I would love Matt Haywood from Survivor UK. Honestly, there was a lot of Survivor Quebec. Andre. Andre for AUV World.

We'd love Rob. We'd love Natalie Anderson. Jeremy. Does anyone else have names here? Tyson's my number one. Yes, Tyson and Natalie. Tyson and Natalie both. I think Adam Klein would be fun as well because he's so chaptain. He can be like the Lisa that we had. Jam. Jam.

We need Sandra and Nina, but what's tribe? from the Australian Ferris and Haley, I think were the two we were really missing. The Dirty Harry. Harry, Miles, AJ. That's my boy. I'm sorry. I'm signing up for every season Harry signing up. Are you hearing my casting

advice? Yeah, there's a lot of good people. God, I don't think we'll ever see those people again. Yeah. Do we have more? Should we get to the plugs? I mean, there's so many. I feel like the U.S. version, what I would like is that if we're going to look for legends, get the people we haven't got to see play again or like somebody like that we have like you know like we have um kind of like a reverence for them but we haven't actually got to see them back in action so maybe like a Todd Herzog or somebody like that where it's like they won they're a legend in their own right but we don't have as much data on them so maybe let's put them up against the other legends to see how they stack up or even like I think I think the story with Tyson was like I think he was asked but like it was not enough money like maybe now he said that he said that this week and no no he said that they rejected him. He said they said yes and

I was like oh my god. But I do think if you watch it and you're like okay now this is such a smash success I want to come back again like I think maybe you get a Tyson you get a Wentworth back because now the appeal of playing this Californ she said she didn't even want to play 50

Kelly. What's wrong with you? What is wrong with her? Kelly Winworth stop playing. It's not up to you. It's not up to her. It's not up to her. We do this for the fans. She's one of us. You've been watching. She's been commenting on it. There's so many good people. Chat to say, hear me, Kelly, when I say,

stop telling this you won't play Survivor. You're playing Survivor. Young lady. Okay. Do we have more? I mean, that's just start grabbing the people that people were most in up in arms about for not getting cast on Survivor 50. Like, just bring Sean Rector in there. Rob Cessonino. I mean,

there's a list. That's a good way to be successful to just do what people are mad at U.S. not doing. Like, we also have an auction. We also have a vote at the final four, you know? I love those things. Yeah. Chappelle, what do you have going on? Tell the people.

So last week was Chappelle week over on RHAP where we talked about Big Brother a lot. You don't have to worry about me talking about Big Brother anymore, okay? Are you the Big Brother this week? No, nothing to talk about. No, we're good. Yeah, but the only time you're going to hear me talking about it is behind the paywall because that's how, like,

grieved I am, okay? So make sure you become a patron of our jeffees. It was like I can't even I can't even just express. But anyway, so catch me behind a paywall. I think we're doing a special slop this week where we might

be in front of the paywall for a little bit at least until people can see maybe a peek into the funeral of one of the people who we would be putting up in any Big Brother versus the world season for sure. Even though now I never want them to be associated with Charleston.

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is, and it's going to be a great time. Good times. Yeah. If I'm on Twitch, Twitch TV slash Puyam, there are five times a week right now. Cooking up content, different variety. Check that out. But right now, if you are done with, you know, Avers, the world finished, you're done with other shows for unknown reasons.

Come watch Traders, Ireland with me and Annabelle. We're just starting off. We've talked about week one so far. Week two is about to begin. There's an easy catch up. Very fun so far. Do we recommend it? And as always, you know, reigning a giraffe champion and married still.

Myself and Leanna talk every week on the Puy and Leona Lounge. If you don't think we're going to talk about this win, got another thing coming. That episode isn't out yet, but we've talked about the state fair we went to last week this week. So check out that episode and then come through for the celebrations next week's episode. And also, I will be recording 90 Day at some point. I've just been behind a couple weeks. Allow me. It's fine.

We are all friends. It's cool. And yeah, like Chappelle, I don't talk about Big Brother anymore. But Leanna is doing her one episode recap per season that she's been on this Tuesday. When we talk about this special episode, it's going to be me and Leanna, joining Rob Sester, Nino. Oh, I thought that was really uneventful. Oh, it's good.

Yeah. It's going to be a lot. It's the equivalent of that one episode of Brains versus Braun, where they did the challenge into the fire making challenge into the one boat that sent bait into Redemption Rock, but worse. Except at least he went to Redemption Rock. It's like episode 10 of

Titans v. Rebels. Imagine I'm raging at that and pissing off people and pissing off production forever if you did that. But anyway, it's good to rage against production when they do bad things, I think. But this was a great season. Mike, what do you have going on? Yeah, so listen, if you like Survivor,

and I would fancy a guess that you do concerning that you watch this entire season. In just a couple weeks, there is a new season of American Survivor, aka Parvety Shallow's Origin Story, coming up on September 24th, and I got to go out to Fiji and talk with all 18 people in that cast.

We have released pretty much all of them up at this point over at pray.com, as well as over here on Rob has a podcast, We've got, I believe, two more interviews coming out, and then Rob and I do a big wrap-up of the final tribe. So get to know this cast, you know, backload them, binge through them. Shannon has been giving me her live reactions that she's been listening to them, and it's been absolutely incredible. So feel free to check that out. And, of course, all the stuff I'm doing once the season begins, the B&B covering it for parade.

The reality flash when there's reality TV news. I get to be in your eyes and ears talking about it, Dancing with the Stars, released his cast last week. I got to talk with Van Sasha about it. It was a great time overall. If you want a little bit about what to know about these new stars, feel afraid to check that out. I am still on the Big Brother train. I punched my ticket a while ago for this long destination,

so I'm still covering that with weekly exit interviews on parade. And I am on the Stockwatch tomorrow. Yes. Give them help. Give them hell. We're going to have some fun. I think we are all going to have a very fun. Yes, you feel like you're all having a lot of fun.

Exactly. Listen, fun's a very operative term. Yay. Yeah, so check that out as well. Amazing Race will be doing a couple podcasts about that. And I guess the last thing I'll plug is that I've seen a lot of people say that this was their first AU season and their first AUS in their first AUS in a while. And they're like, okay, I love this season. It was incredible. What do I watch next?

And I guess what I can tease is that Shannon and I in the coming weeks might have a podcast to help you. with that. A little guide to the world of Australian Survivor if you want to watch more of it. Otherwise, for everything else, including maybe a chat with one of the very people we talked about on this podcast. You can check out everything I'm doing on social media at a Mike Bloom type. All right. Well, my plugs. My plug, one of the things. What's coming up for Shannon? Other than divorce, I have a lot of things. Thank you, Zach. Exits to come. The poverty one is out. Again, I don't have Luke scheduled, but I think I'm getting Luke.

I'm talking to Surrey in less than 24 hours. I'm talking to Neen in less than an hour. I should probably go do that and then deep dive. So stay subscribed. We know Global Survivor.com follow me at Shannon Gates for all of this because I have been talking to Pav. I was chatting yesterday. And then me and Peter were like, she's diving.

We could see the dots. It was great. So we are looking at a longer conversation with at least Pav, hopefully more. Everyone spam Surrey and tell her to do a longer chat with me. I did message her too. and I told Bryce to put in a good word, but we'll see how that goes. Also, we'll be covering 49.

I have been loving Mike's interviews all on this feed. I'll be covering that on Survivor Global with some guests throughout that season. So, yeah, keep up to date with all of that. And on the podcast, we tell you guys what to watch. Now, I want to thank everyone so much. This has been the season of a lifetime covering this has been the culmination of everything. and this community that raise money for cats that are sick and also tuned in every week.

It's been such a positive, amazingly beautiful experience. For me, I now, I'm going to go into my hibernation other than all the things I just plugged. I'm going to go do what everyone does after a season of Australian Survivor, and I'm going to have a baby. Yeah. So the people that are here on this chat.

And that is my biggest plug. Please don't make me get divorced because that is my baby. Yes. The past debut. Yes. And little sorry. Yeah. Cappell.

Baby Chappelle. And I, and I'm plugging that here. I'm plugging my baby here. You know the stage for the draft. Well, I should have been the name of your firstborn. Chappelle.

They didn't know that at the time. We can negotiate if you don't want to get divorced naming rights. I'm very open to this idea. Do you want to be a single mom? Do you want to name your baby? Which, what's the choice? You would make me get divorced.

We bring a child into a broken home still? You broke the home. You broke the home. You knew the stakes. I did know the stakes. I fully knew the stakes. I came in and I knew I was having the child. You had the most information out of all of us.

Mike knew. Mike let me do that. Well, I tried to stop you. Yeah, I was, I was the Surrey. I was very much like, I know all this. I'm not intentionally related to it. Oh. Oh, but I'm so happy for you.

I'm so unbelievably happy for you. How are you feeling right now? My heart is thumping. Can you hear it in the mic? You only get to announce your baby one time, your first baby one time. And like, I genuinely like, I think I've like pictured this moment so many times.

Like, it doesn't feel real. Oh, it's real. You did it. You did it. I'm so glad I did it here because the podcast is so important to me. Like, this podcast is such a huge part of who I am. And this season has been like, the culmination of so many things.

And the chat is saying I got pregnant to avoid paying off the bed. I was pregnant before I made the bed. Okay, I stupidly made the bed knowing what I'm putting my marriage on. So, yeah, that's what's happening for me. I have another thing. Peter and I are starting a podcast.

We have the graphic sound. We don't care. Talk about the baby. Why did you choose to plug the podcast after the baby? Why would you make a thumbnail with no baby in it? The assumption is that you are systematically ranking the podcast. podcast over the baby. She buried the lead.

I was going to do the podcast first, but then we set up the YouTube, and I think the YouTube description is there, and it's like, we're going to talk about a lot of things, podcasting, life, all of that. But then one of the ones was our journey to parenthood. So I was like, if anyone were to look at gussing around on YouTube,

if I thought if people went there first, then they would be messing around what? Gus around and finite, right? No, fuck, no. Oh, guys. Don't do that when we have a graphic. The recap uncles are here. I want to credit Rio Teaks.

It's T-E-I-X on Instagram for that graphic. He does great survival stuff. I love my recap uncles. Yeah, three men and a baby mama. That'd be sick. Yes. Yes. Guys, when you think about it, the baby will meet Surrey.

tomorrow. Did I tell Surrey that I'm pregnant? Absolutely. Yes. We still dying about it. Is that Surrey, I'm glad I get to talk to you because I've been dying to ask you what I should name my name? Alan in the chat says Shannon makes Surrey the godmother in the exit interview.

It's done. It's done. Because I think I should get the name by at Gussing around podcast. That's what I said. At Gus and around. That's what I said. On YouTube, at Gussing around podcast. No G. podcast at the end.

Put podcast at the end. G-U-S-S-I-N around podcast. Sorry, this is a lot for me right now. So, okay, so what do we do? You guys are the recap-uncles. Recap uncles. That's right. Recap uncles.

Surrey will be the godmother. Yes. What's wrong? And Janine is the other godmother. Yes. We need a very rich godmother. Yeah, we need money. Oh my God.

Guys, this was a lot. I announced my baby on the finale podcast. Shannon, I think it doesn't wrap it up. I think it doesn't wrap it up. everything good in the world. And I think that this season was for you. I will stand on that. I watched the season. I enjoy the season. But I do think that, you know, this was for you. And I think there's no coincidence. This is going to be a very fruitful time in your life. And I think that you deserve everything that you get in life. And I wish nothing but the best for you and your husband

and your baby and tell Peter to text me. Okay. Yeah. Peter Chappelle says to text him. Yes. There you go. I talk about my niece. I mean, like, obviously getting to be behind the curtain of like, Again, you are... Tell doesn't know the gender, by the way. It's not like... But I'm willing to do it into existence. I can't rule for a niece.

He has always said it's a girl, we'll see. It's a girl. I'm knowing how much work you put into like every ounce of everything that you do is so incredibly admirable. And the fact that you covered, you know, the season that you said from the very beginning is like, you know, the reason why you've been put here

in the first place, honestly. On the culmination, a world, if you will, of your fandom up to this point to cover it with, again, the usual level of complexity and detail-orientedness and passion that you always do, while also growing an entire-ass person in your body at the same time. It just makes me love you so much more and be so in awe of everything you have been able to do this season and will continue to be able to do. And I think if you are even half as caring to this bundle of joy to come as you are to the work that you have been putting forward for nearly a decade, this child is going to be an amazing hands.

Thank you so much. The baby loves. Yeah, the baby is going to go into wrestle hands. This is, yeah, I'm really hoping that the next season of Australian Survivor is not in its usual time slot. that's my wish okay so um otherwise the recap uncles are going to really help me out when this baby is very inconveniently born right in the middle of my the baby on the podcast with us can the baby can the baby podcast instead of you so three of us and the baby you did that's podcast with a some of these casuals i'm trying to get aster involved

listen i'm trying to soak him slowly joined mike when he's playing goose goose Asher is very much in Vlasher takes over is what happened. I love that. Asher would like lose to a bitter jury. He would be the perfect. She would cut stoma and they'd be like what the hell, man.

Shannon, you and I share a birthday and we're going to share something else. Yes. I'm going to say something. Leanna and I are expecting to have a long call with you later and talk about this naming rights deal. Yes. Just naming rights deal.

me for one second that I was like wait I was like don't you know I keep doing I'm the boy you've got a wolf I keep doing this on every podcast oh my god Shannon would never have forgiven you had you like proposing during someone's wedding yes which is terrible by the way

all of the people on am I the asses who ask if they're the asshole for proposing during the wedding yes he's like leon and I are expecting twins we're like well forget that other baby let me got two over here there's a whole friend's episode about this. Um, about

on this feeling. I, um, look, I don't know where to go from here. I announce my baby on the phone. Go talk to three. Because you get to do that. Talk to Surrey. I have to go. I'm going to talk to Sheree. Tomorrow, me and the baby will finally meet Surrey. Does the baby get to ask a question?

What? Does the baby ask a question? Uh, the baby wants to hear if Surrey will hang out with me when I'm in America later. Yeah. I can tell what the baby wants. The baby would like us to hang out, but it's too shy to say it. Yeah. Okay.

Enough about the baby. Never. We should wrap up this podcast. Thank you. Thank you all. Seriously. Thank you all. This has been so fun. Follow me, Ashina Gates. I'm going to go announce my baby. But you guys heard it first because you were the people who cared enough to be here during the plugs of the finale recap. So why you listen to the plugs, people. Yeah. We really, I don't know. Like, let's just the very, very last plug. And my God,

I thought I never get there with the three of you. I was like, TikTok. Maybe this baby will be born by the time. I think you should have done your plugs first. I think that should have been the movie. No. It was a big finale of the finale. Yeah. So this is a dream, right?

This is everything many different parts of me wanted to announce my baby for the timing to work out so well. Here on this finale recap, sandwiched in between conversations with Janine and Surrey tomorrow and poverty and all of these amazing things. So I'm very lucky. I feel very happy. I feel so grateful for this community and for all of the recap uncles who were just wanting to get that bitches to him out. And it worked. It works so well.

Well done to all of you. And I will not be getting divorced because that is absurd. That's an absurd thing to make me do when I've just said. We will figure out what the other thing is now, yes. Right. My niece is not growing up in a broken home because you can't, you don't know how to pick people in a survivor draft, okay? We're not doing that.

We're not starting this baby off like this. You're not naming my baby. Much like Shannon was two Australia strong in her. draft. If she picked a few more world people, this wouldn't be happening. Yeah. Yeah. And I regret it every day. And look, if you're going to push me to still get divorce, even though I'm having a kid, I respect that's so hard. It's so mean, so competitive. It's everything that I am. So I appreciate it honestly. But it's mean. It's mean. It's mean. Thank you all. Thanks, guys. Do we have more? We'll be done. This is it. I don't know how to wrap up a

podcast right now. Say bye. Bye. Bye. Thank you all so much. Stay around. Keep subscribe. exits, deep dives. Thank you to our team behind the scenes. Thank you to all the recap uncles. And I will see you next time. Bye. The adventure of a lifetime. Tribe Spoke.

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