RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor AU: Australia V World | Luke Toki Post-Season Interview

Episode Date: September 16, 2025

We Know Global Survivor host Shannon Guss speaks to Luke Toki after his game in Australian Survivor V World.

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The adventure of a lifetime. Hello everyone. Shannon Garcia, getting you ready for a postseason interview for Australian Survivor versus the world. Yes, we're into the postseason. We got a bit of time with Luke and we just took more time. Luke said he had about an hour and then he never told me to wrap it up. So we went closer to two hours and spoke all about that in Luke's game. went the full duration of the season. So we spoke about all of that and hope you enjoy that.

All the other ex-interviews are out other than David, who is busy being host of the show. So we did recently with Pav and Janine and with Surrey. We also had CAF last week. We have hopefully a longer interview with Pav coming very soon. Mike and I are also going to do something for the people who have never watched Australian Survivor and are fans now due to watching this global show and a U.S. fans before, we're going to do like a guide to watching Australian Survivor, so that's going to come out and hopefully some other fun stuff as well. But keep following me at Shannon Gates, subscribe to the We know Global Survivor channel, so you get all of that. I will also be launching my own podcast with my husband Peter called

Gusen Around, G-U-S-S-S-I-N, and no-second G-A-Round. And if you want to subscribe on YouTube, that's already out at Gus and Around podcast on YouTube, and then keep an eye on social media because we'll be launching that with the first episode, hopefully, very soon as well. So that's everything for me. Follow along. Thank you all so much. And I will see you next time. Bye.

Luke, hi. So good to chat. Thank you so much making the time. I know that you have so much going on. And it's a very busy time. So thank you so much for making some time to talk about the game with us. No pleasure, Sam. You know, anything for you?

I appreciate it. I wanted to ask you how Maddie's doing. I know some of our listeners might not know. know that after the season, I think your daughter, Maddie, cystic fibrosis has been through the trenches, been in the trenches, has been in hospital for most of that time. I don't know if you could give an update because I definitely been thinking about her and I know probably a lot of the listeners have as well.

Yeah, so it's funny. So we're actually working out how many days it was post me, you know, the finale, the actual last episode is I think I got back on the 6th of October. My birthday was on the seventh, and then it was like, I think it was like, I looked at my phone, it was like the 14th or something when we went to hospital, so what was that? So, yeah, less than like a week later, we went to hospital. I've got the photos of when we were kind of heading there, and then obviously that's when things started going downhill.

It was like four days post this, you know, so it's seven days. now we've left the show or nine what is it nine days now so last Sunday it's Tuesday yeah so she would have been already in hospital you know and then she got

she had a bowel obstruction we kind of got really bad and then after four days it was to a point where it was a Saturday night at midnight and they were like we need to take her in for an operation ASAP because

she was going downhill and then yeah so really what then it was like um so it would be like yeah that happened and then then then yeah she was in ICU and then yeah she yeah she went really down south for the next two weeks so either way yeah like some people go oh how'd you how do you feel not losing and all that stuff and um but it does bring me back to the memories of the fact there's like post-survivor, like I had a bigger fight on my hands, you know, after that show. So, yeah, look, right now she's got intestinal failure. So she's got, she's now had so much of her bowels cut out that if, say, her bowels don't regenerate or heal, that we just don't know if there's enough bowel left to, like, to cut out the bad part of the bowels.

So she has to live on TPN and like a feed pump that pumps into her stomach because she's got a pedge now. So it's like a valve that you can feed into your intestines through your stomach. And then also a drain that drains your stomach fluid. So she's still got like all these drains and everything attached to her roughly about 18 hours a day. But is she in hospital now? you home now. She's out of hospital. So, you know, we did the nine months in there. And then so she's out, but obviously, as you can understand that she has to go back nearly like a lot.

And she has to live on a thing called TPN, which is, they drop off like five, you know, like they drop off like an amount of TPN a week that you have to set up like IV. And that keeps her like nutrient levels and stuff like so she can live you know but anyway she's um she's like yeah it's been a lot I mean sounds like a lot she's a warrior she's a fighter but she's back at school so she's like at school for like two hours a day that's good three hours a day so we get to unhook her from all the machines for a short amount of time yeah but yeah you know it's life right

well not for many and I'm always thinking about her and always thinking about you guys because that's she's six right like that's I mean that's insane but she's a warrior I can't imagine where she gets that one from and you know I'm always

I'm always looking for the best for her and hoping that she gets better well eventually like her guts will heal and somehow you come back to normal you know we're just I think that hope but hope things always can be an iffy one but at the same time it's good to have so yeah and you raised a lot as well for the hospital at the beginning of the season right you did like an auction and yeah yeah

well i thought that by the time i was in hospital the show would be airing so i actually thought i'd be like watching it in hospital and um it was funny that like we got out i don't know maybe like a week and a half just before it airs so um uh yeah it just made i was like you know how to a bit of a, I guess, like an epiphany that I was like, oh, maybe I should just do like a fundraiser, you know, like I just put it out to any events and, you know, a lady that works with like the Marlon group, which own a whole lot of pubs and stuff around Perth.

They just reached out and, yeah, we put it together, raised 21,000, so, which was money, you know, and had some people down there. And then it's funny because then I had to go back to hospital because my daughter's been she's got some other like there's been lots of issues you know

so we had to go back for like another week so I got to watch two episodes yeah two episodes of the show back in hospital yeah yeah

I'm sure brought a lot of joy to everyone having a TV star around the halls I think Maddie's the superstar in there that's true yes I can't argue with

that. Yeah, she makes me look normal and feel normal. Yeah, well, she's got this. I really believe that I just, my heart breaks for you guys. But I believe she's got it. She seems incredibly strong. But Luke, it's, it's so nice to be talking Survivor with you again. You can talk about this crazy game that you went through. One of my favorite themes was like, you coming back from tribal council with your like great reactions to like what just happened. My favorite was curbs got toasted god damn i'm trying to include that in my like general general speaking i don't know i forgot how to speak but like my data yeah curbs got toasted listen to me curbs got toasted god damn amazing my favorite one yeah i was like you know obviously

we'll go through chronological order but um yeah you know that one was just like kind of like I told you you would jump over to the other side and they'll burn you, you know? Like, I just, that's, like, I know it's weird, but it is my third season. And you do have these, like, you want to be on the right side of the votes come merge, you know?

And that's obviously a perfect example why. Yeah, well, okay, so so much in the season. My first question is, getting out there. I know you watched Tony videos before you went out to play the first time. So obviously you knew the Australian players. Who on the World Tribe did you know of getting out there? Yeah, I knew, I knew Surrey, I knew Parvety. Obviously I know Lisa, you know, I know that there's a big chat around this fact

that it's like I didn't know who she was. I'm just a bit of a shit talker when I'm doing book of professionals, you know? You know, remember we're doing them for like two hours at times. And like there's always in every season, I'll be like, damn, I say, some funny shit and it never made the cut it never made the final edit um and so for me to say the one about lisa or whatever you know um saying i don't know where she's from and you know and her name and all that i know exactly who lisa is you know and i know exactly we covered lisa's season together we did the the second last episode together yeah and um and you know and this is why um the fact

with Lisa staying in the game, you know, later on down the track and me trying to work with her, I definitely use some of those things like, you know, my connection to New Zealand and certain things that have shaped me over the years. And I always looked at her as a threat out there just as much because it's the under-rader, you know, the people that do sometimes play their under-the-rater games, that can keep getting to the end and then do something.

So especially, like, in merge, you've got to understand. We haven't played with them, so the dynamics, you don't know who's on top, who's on bottom on the other side. But yeah, and I didn't know obviously the other guys. You know, I didn't know Tommy and Cass. And Rob. Did you know Rob? Rob, I knew who Rob was.

Yeah, I haven't watched his season, but, you know, I definitely knew that he was, you know, people talked highly of him in his game and stuff. It's still a season that's evaded me. But yeah, I know who he is, you know. Yeah. And then the Australia tribe, you were like so connected. You have David, Gene, Sarah. You've known Kirby in the past. I always thought you could kind of get along with George. And then Shawnee, you seem to get along with as well. Like, what was your initial relationships with the tribe, the Australia tribe? Well, I didn't, like, I didn't know that Dave was going to be out there. Like, that spun me out. Yeah, he tricked me. Like, I was like, I was like,

Like, and I'm not trick me, but like, you know, obviously the fact is that I just didn't think he was going to be out there because he'd always said that he wouldn't play Survivor again. And I knew he'd move to Texas and stuff. So I was like, but then Sarah, I didn't know she was going to. In my head when I landed there, I thought Shawnee would be there. And I thought George would be there. I didn't believe Dave was going to be there. And so when I was seeing Janine and Sarah, like, that was, you know, obviously good for me. it's hard for me as well because you have these connections you got to understand like

it's like it's a positive but for me it's like it's a positive but also negative because you know it's impossible to want to write someone's name down that you actually have like you know like if I had to write Dave's name down Sarah's name down Kirby's like I'm going to escape writing all their names down because I don't really want them to go. Yeah. So you get like understand like there's a, it comes with a positive and a negative where you're expected to play with

these people and then if you ever had the chance to vote them out, like, like yeah, I don't know. Maybe I'm a bit of an emotional person out there, you know, and like when you do have to vote someone out that you generally would want to win, for instance, over yourself if you couldn't win it's tough when you like everyone yeah yeah and that's why with new seasons when they're newbies

I don't know them so you got no problem in voting them out yeah well I mean George wanted to work with you and I felt like it seemed like you and Dave weren't into that like what were you guys thinking about that no so I really wanted to work with George at the start I actually so George came

over to me and told me that Janine was potentially coming for David. And I went over to Dave and told him that. And then I kind of got the vibe that I thought Dave was just keen on running his own show a little bit. And so I was like, then I kind of swoop back to George and I was like maybe me and George could really, have a really, really tight relationship like Cara and me, like him, him and Carr. I even sent to him. I was like, dude, I could be the Kara. this season for you and we can work together you know um and then uh obviously then the you know the thing went about kirby going for dave and then george was going to jump on and then i kind of thought um then it started swinging back towards george through you know a couple other people

with jeanine and stuff and i was like i was like if george goes um it will still be good because I've then put it out that like me and Kara like me and George like build it up as us to and then he gets voted out and he's you know like and then it's like a like because I've got really close to him and be created too but the thing is with George it was still like there was this little thing where it's like I know everyone on the tribe and yeah I'm working with someone that I don't know yeah it's a little bit harder to for me to go should I go down this road and then he's sitting there saying Janine's coming for David and at my head I was like well I got

Janine out so should I be should I be working with Janine because Janine will eventually come for me you can understand like in that first window on the beach it's very hard to get a bit of a gist of which where do you want to go do I want to stay with Dave and Janine is Janine going to cut David just like George said, should I get Janine out because I got Janine out?

You know, all I knew is Shawnee, I hadn't worked with her. So naturally I stole the bananas and kind of tried to create a bit of a friendship there. And I knew she had a bit of beef with George. So when Kirby kind of told me that she was going, that Shawnee had mentioned Dave's name and wanted to get Dave, there was the two there. and then because the pressure started going on Dave then it kind of started swinging around again

to be like okay well Kirby's now going for Dave you've seen that instance where there was a bit of pressure going on there I found the idol Dave was like I need some help here kind of thing and only because I was then now curious to be like down the track if I had to turn on Dave I don't know if I could. I actually don't know if I could write Dave's name down, you know, for my own greater game.

And because there was only 14 people, it's a smaller game. So, and then when it finally started swinging around a few times and we thought maybe Sarah was with us, then I just thought, do you know what? I've got my idol. I can easily stay under the radar here and play, you know, as in it's always big move Luke and, you know, big moveitis or whatever.

And I was like, there's all these huge people. It's actually smart for me to just stay quiet. Stay low, you know, and let maybe Dave try to make the decision on this move, you know? And so that's where I decided just to set back and let Dave make the decision. So in tribal, he was like, oh, should we take out George? And I was like, sweet, we take out George. And then, you know, Janine did. didn't trust George and I was like, well, I trusted George.

To be honest, I felt like George probably trusted me the most out of anyone in the game. But at that sentence, I'm still completely aligned to Dave. So like, whatever Dave wanted to do, I wasn't going to sit there and air him out and be like, me and George are like this. And in the end, if George went, it wasn't like a big loss to me. I was like, because I still had doubts and I still knew I was tight with Sarah, Kirby, Like, I still knew I had ways of getting information. Yeah.

And Janine wanted to stay with Dave. So I was like, do you know what? This is one of those votes where I'll just like sit on my idol, let it play out. Like, and then obviously Dave said, no, no, we're going on George because we were going to go Shawnee. If we went Shawnee, me and George, George would have been like, yeah, sweet, good move. We took out as Shawnee, for instance. And me and he would have went to day camp like champions. but at the same time I was like

that relationship still had a big question mark on me you know that even if I had to like I'm not going to sit there and try and make George stay longer than Dave like that's like that's like parv picking you know Lisa over Surrey like she hasn't met Lisa and then she's going to pick Surrey like so in my head if George went it was just like like I'm not going to I'm not going to fight for you like if that makes any sense like

yeah and then I'll just slot back in with the Dave situation anyways so when the votes were swinging I thought do you know what I'm just going to let Dave make a decision and if he wants to go George go George if he wants to go Seanie go Shawnee and so I kind to just stop that because I thought this is like let them battle it out you know yeah but then what about Sarah in that? Like you've worked with Sarah before. You've worked against her before. Did you expect her to turn on Dave there? Because you had the most experience with her and she knows Dave as well. It's a mutual friend. You've all been friends. So that was shocking to me, you know. Yeah, that was shocking to me as well. So when it

happened, I was like, damn, I thought even without George or with George, I thought, you know, the votes would technically go the right way. But literally I know that, you know, You know, she had her reasons why she didn't want to take Georgia and wanted to swing on Dave. And, you know, kudos to Sarah, because Sarah's the only one that could have made that move really happen. And, you know, like people talk about the regret slide or whatever afterwards because there was a bit of a bit shown post.

But she still went on to play great. And she still, you know, had her positioning in the tribe really well. You know, there's lots of talk about, you know, me and Janine turning on Sarah, or not turn on Sarah, but like leaking information to Kirby. But I didn't leak that. Like, you understand, I have multiple conversations with people when you sit there and say, if me and you were sharing and talk and be like, maybe we should like, you know, do this and do that. And then you don't really like engage in it.

Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. So when Jay actually went and, you know, say the next vote or whatever to move forward and talk to when she went forward to talk to Sarah, I didn't know that she went and did that. That happened at night time. Yeah, I thought she would have pulled us both in and we would have done it together, you know? So when I found out the Kirby situation, like us Dobbin, Sarah's, you know, being not happy with Kirby's situation into

to Sarah's situation into Kirby, like that wasn't like, like I hadn't acted on that. Like that, that was still like my little secret that we could have saved till later, you know, or whatever. But I think

what it is, is Jay made, say, the right decision for her at that time to go tell Kirby about it. But, But I think it was the mentality is like I can also control Kurt, you know, and, you know, for instance, like the merge when Kirby went and left and jumped over to World Tribe to take out Sarah, it was still that mentality was like, you don't want to join into a group of four

here or five, for instance, whatever, and take out Sarah because you'll just be in the minority like and other people can come together like or the same thing I think I said to I was like you will get voted out next and then I will get voted like you know

so I think it was the mentality is where you can kind of try to control the timing of when people would get people but you know I think yeah with that situation it wasn't until you know like yeah

Kirby obviously he had the information now that Sarah wasn't, you know, happy with her. And then she acted, you know, in her best interest to get that person out before. Because Janine, I think Janine's even said that maybe she thinks that, like, I had this thing where I was like favor and going to head more down Kirby's side than Sarah's side. But at the same sentence, I wasn't. I was like, I'm just keeping them both in because they're both. amazing options for me if i wanted to swing left with kirby or swing right with sarah but after

the vote out with sarah i just realized that um kirby will get the numbers for the move she needs to make even if you don't want to get involved so there's no like um it wasn't like a uh well as sarah said it's like not a partnership you know sarah would have been probably better off uh you know um not maybe involving Janine and me into a conversation about her, you know, mistrust with Kirby. Like if she just actually told me, I wouldn't have told Kirby and I would have kept that for her and then for the timing's right, you know? So because it's like one of those things, it's like when I was in traders and you go for

two people at the same time and say, he's a traitor and he's a traitor. You never do that. You pick one because that's where I feel like what the mistake is, is if you're going to sit there and say to someone, I'm not happy with, say, being a partnership with Kirby anymore, as much as me and Jay were still together, we're still, we think different still. We very much, we work together and we're definitely loyal, but we still have our own thoughts and processes on how we want to move.

throughout the game. And so I think, you know, maybe when Sarah gave us the heads up about the Kirby situation, because we were both there and then we both talked through it, I wasn't a part of telling Kirby, for instance, you know. It wasn't until Kirby has obviously been told when she came up to me. It was like, is Sarah trying to get me? And I was like, oh, I don't know, maybe, you know, like. But if she is, we can get her at, like.

a later point. But I don't think I'd have been able to turn on Sarah. Like, so, you know, it's like a weird one for me. It's like all the people that I don't think I could turn on, which actually got voted out without my help, you know, so I never had to, weird enough. You know, it is like a poetic thing that, yeah, I got out of the game without voting out, Dave, without voting out Sarah, without. voting out Kirby, you know what I mean?

Yeah, or Janine. Like, you know, all the people that I just, you know, I think it would be quite hard. It's like going down and writing Jericho's name on the parchment. Like, you know, I know the game's about, you know, cutting people and things. But this is a little bit of a different game. Like, I don't think it's like,

I don't think it's like the original season where you, you know, there's 24 people and you don't know anyone. For instance, you know, you're going in there and you know these people. but anyways yeah yeah that's to give you inside that one you know i mean i think you did great after the day you vote and george goes and you and like i feel like all those relationships came to the four and you really got kind of to the top of the tribe where you have you know kirby and sarah's options obviously you've got an even tighter with janine

um you seem to have a good thing going with shonny as well so when you get to the merge if you had it your way and with your hope just to go to rocks and then just keep chugging it down Australia strong? Like, what was the plan there at that point where you're voting against the world tribe at the merge? Yeah, I just think that whether we go to rocks or we just, you know... Break them, hopefully they're going against... Yeah, break them apart.

Like, you use... Well, the thing is, is like, could we use that information to be like, look, I've got these guys or whatever. I just thought that we would go in some sort of strong. But again, you know, the... The way the World Tribe were playing is exactly how I thought the Aussies might be more inclined to play, is in we would be tighter than the World Tribe on paper because they've got all these players from different places that have never met where I thought we would just generally have. This is where it kind of like stuffed up my thinking for the whole thing because it's like if I went to the Olympics right now and we're doing like, say, the running races,

like, I'm just like, Ozzy strong, Ozzy strong. You're the only one, Luke. No one else cared about that, but you. You know, I'm saying, so that's when you look back and you go, maybe that was a complete mistake. You know, I should have just, you know, played my idol for Dave right from the get-go, played the big flashy moves right from the get-go.

Because, you know what? What's not broken will I change it? That's what's made me the last two seasons, you know? And I've always, like, found those moments where I've, like, just gone, do you know what? I'm doing it. Like, I know I can play. it's smart here and simple, but I'm going to sit there and just like do something.

Yeah, like, yeah, and it's like, well, it's not broken, don't change it. But for me, I actually went in after seeing, you know, all these, you know, big guys. And I'm like, I want to win. Like, I don't want to come second. I don't want to come third. And I've seen over and over the under the radar game is very important to sometimes getting to the end and managing that threat level. so that's a choice for me to play like that

that wasn't just like me being like oh Luke doesn't have the balls to do this and balls to do that it was like no I'm making a fucking educator survivor choice to be quiet here and it's like I know it's the not me not me but like I made it further than everyone

you know and so as much as I was Australia strong and I wanted to you know I wanted to take control of the merge area and just pick pick pick on the way down But, yeah, I made a choice to play a bit of a quieter game and fly a little bit under the radar. Grab a coffee and discover Vegas-level excitement with BetMGM Casino, now introducing our hottest exclusive, Friends, the One with Multi-Drop. Your favorite classic television show is being reimagined into your favorite casino game

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I'd love to hear about this decision. And what, so what did you know about Deal and O'Dill Island? Had you known that David, you knew nothing about Dill and the Island? No, no, no, nothing about that. I knew Pav and Dave were like really good. Okay. Did you know David won? No.

I didn't know he was. They're so good with the spoilers. Yeah, yeah, no. All I knew is... You might have felt better about writing his name down if you knew that he'd won $9 million on Dylan who's Island. Yeah, well, look, in that sense, you know, but, you know, I would have been super happy for him.

You know, like, I don't even know how that would have affected my game, you know. When I look back at it, I actually thought George was going to go anyway. So when that didn't happen, again, I just knew that I was thinking a couple of times, I was thinking, I don't know how I'll go writing down Dave's name or how I'd feel playing my idol for Dave and then later on down the track

if he had to stab me in the back. Like, you know, there's game, there's game, but then there's also like, it's TV, you know, and like the moments. And I'm like, imagine if I played my idol, saved him and then, you know, four votes down,

and he had to make the decision to cut me or whatever, I'd be like, well, dude. You owe me $1 million. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know what?

To be fair, he'd probably still have a bit to spare even if he'd have a lot. So, but you knew that he'd played with poverty. Yeah, I know. I had a good idea that they're part of him who were close. Right.

Like, you know, so naturally in my head, um, when it came to merge, I don't know any of them. So I've got my little connect in, you know, Aussie tribe,

but I'm trying to build the, you know, the situation with the Americans. Now, you know, to sit there and go, when you win the rocks and then you read it out, says, can you send someone home back to camp?

Because I knew Pardy and Dave had had some sort of like friendship, that was my, initial thing, and I thought she would have, because I noticed the men had gone, I was like, she's going to have some sort of pull over there, and I'm going to try to send her back because she's the only one that would be, that I could believe, that would be able to take it on the chin, and then through us talking about it, could probably play a game where people think we're pissed off at each other, but then we work together. So when we got back to the bench, yeah, when we walked back to the beach, she goes,

oh, you know, we'll go for a chat. We went for a chat. And I was like, look, we can continue to keep it up that there's an issue between us, you know. And I do it to do it with George, actually, after George, we turned on George the first vote. Same thing. But George wasn't having any of it. He was upset. I was like, George, listen, I was like, we can go back into camp.

you can be saying I'm pissed off at Luke and I can be like screw George we can go him out and then we could join up and do a move together but he's like no like that's there's like he goes would only be even if that happened and I'm like no I'm saying like we've still worked together he's like nah like he was upset after I did the old me and Cara and then tried to take him out right you don't use Cara's name in vain with George yeah yeah exactly so I try to pretend like me and him were like that and then try to take him out so naturally I was hoping that he would bounce back because I'm pretty good at that like if you even blindside me I could come back be like no it's all good it's all game and then

I'm happy on you know making moves in different ways but because I don't get too emotional out there with the fact as if I get blindside as you can see I've got blindsided a few times and not once did I go back be like you know like really upset and angry it was always like oh it was like curbs got toasted god damn yeah yeah and then I'd go back and then I'd sit on the beach And I'm like, okay, I need to come up with a plan to get, you know, because most people would just go, all right, well, then it would be curbs, me, you know, for instance, Shawnee. Like that's how it would normally go, right?

You take the first vote and then you take out the henchman, for instance, right? And when that didn't happen, that's only because when I came back, like, I'm good at sewing up those issues straight away. I don't get butt hurt and go sit by myself and be able. upset and, like, that's what good survivor players, because I'll go back to Kuh, back to Surrey, and then who's Surrey's name she

voting out next? Shoney over me because I went back in there and I've just written her name down. So you're going to understand, like, that's all from, like, building up the relationships, and it was from building up the one with Pav. But I wouldn't have went with Pav

and Surrey. I would have went with the World Tribe if they really wanted to make a move. Yeah. But they just did, like, you can't, like, we go to say that they, we're going to do a move. They say no, then we do another move, and then they say no. And then the third time, they completely asked us out, don't invite us to the spy and say nothing to us. And actually, it's like, three times, like, I've got to be smart enough that I've at least

got options that I can swing back the other way. Yeah. What are the basis been of the relationships with the world tribe? Because poverty, you're going to get in there with her and make up with her and, um, You know, you have that David connection as well. So Rie told me that she, you know, loves you. She gets you. She saw you.

And then what about the world? Because you and Tommy are like the only two guys with Cass and Lisa. Was it something there? Yeah. So socially before it gets into the game of it. Yeah. So my connection into the world tribe was, obviously, when Kirby goes, for instance, then obviously me and Tommy realize where, like, the last men standing.

yeah and so we're like growing out like me and him were like but he wouldn't give he's like all I can do is keep your name out of the vote because I'm a value I'm valuable to him for instance so he was definitely like if there was my name was going to come up he was keeping me out of the vote because I was valuable then on top of it I had the thing with I was chatting with parv because I voted her out of the auction. Now, you've got to understand, with the Pavs situation and her getting, you know, such a big reward, you know, again, she was doing the countdown.

She didn't know there was going to be reward back there. How did I know there was going to be, like, such a big reward? Like, it was, it probably wasn't, and, you know, you can sit there and say, I vote Tommy out of that point, but me and Tommy haven't spoken. And so I don't know how much.

Pardon? But I don't know, you know, that only triggered to me after I went and sat back down on the bench that I was like, okay, now I've sent Pav, and then I was like, and I'm sitting there with no money, and I was like, well, I should have tried to send myself. But at that time, I can only use the information that's available to. And she's going to sit there and go, oh, there was this big rewards back at the camp. No one knows that, like truly. But when I was sitting there, I was actually sitting there thinking it takes another

world tribe off the thing with money to potentially bid on something that could be a reward. Who's to say the rewards underneath the food item, you know, and now I've taken out one of their persons to buy that, for instance? So, you know, again, it was still me thinking Ozzy Strong. and also thinking that I don't know if I sent another person back if they'll be able to handle being pissed off or not so I knew it

I could use the fact as I'm mates with Dave your mates with Dave hopefully you've played enough saliva that you're not going to get upset that I you know blah blah blah and now people think we're against each other let's work together for instance so that was the thinking that was all the thinking behind it a little bit I know that you know as again

you know you're going to be quick on your feet right and at that time maybe i should have said look i've got no money send me her send me back to camp you know and yeah but it was so poetic you send her to the jericho's cookies did she share those cookies with you and you guys were making up and rebuilding your relationship yeah she did yeah were they covered in glass oh they were pretty bad and i was talking smack so even though she was sharing with me in like my confession was going, like, I know she's sharing me cookies, but I still don't trust her for as far as I can throw her, you know, like, it was just my way of like getting some sort of like in, in with the world child. And using the David and Pab connection, really, that was

the main reason behind it. What I was so sad about was that we never got to see you connect with Tony, who I know that you watched his clips before you went out and the Spire Shack and everything. Like, I feel like we were robbed. We got a little bit in like the challenges, but I really wanted to see that. Yeah, and I feel like that's what I kind of was missing out there a little bit is like having the one person where we actually like, you know, keeps it real. Yeah, the shenanigans part of it. Because normally I'd have Dave or Jericho and, but I didn't really stable.

Yeah, and Tommy would have been that, but we were getting along, but he wouldn't give me anything. All he could do was say, I'll keep your name off the vote, you know. And, yeah, Janine's like, you know, love her, but she's very sensible, you know, and that's like, and I can be very sensible, but at the same time, you know, like you give me the time and I can, you know, I can definitely enjoy being a bit more Lusar if and that's what appeals

you know their appeal was potentially maybe with the Surrey and Pard because they were like um they're like they're just extremely easy to get along with you know that's why they're

so good at the game and just in life like they're just you know look to be honest everyone was like Tommy was I wish me and Tommy did something but I think that for him sending Lisa to do the tell us about the move on potentially on um um taking out parv i think he should have just he should

have just told me and said look i want to take parv out at some point and i would have been like all right done let's that's you've got me locked in but i was always getting told that he can't really give me anything other than um i'll just keep your name off the out of the table so yeah because the before that, you and Janine are like, let's divide and conquer. She goes to three and to poverty. She goes for Kirby. Kirby's going to go home. You are now with Shawnee. You've reconnected really well with Shawnee and you're going for Surrey with the world, which doesn't pan out. So what did you think Janine was doing? Did you know anything about this Kirby plan, but you're okay for Kirby to go there? Like, what was your thought process

on that vote where you vote for Surrey in the world? So it was, so I knew about it. She told me, But it was the fact is, we had to separate. Like, me and Janine had already made a decision that we were tired at. So it's like nearly going that, you know, because otherwise it just, the train just keeps chugging where it would be technically me or Shawnee, whoever next. It would be Kirby. Then the world tribe stays strong. Then they take me and the world's time, you know, like that's how, like, how it would

have went. The only way we really were able to do that is by a completely. completely dividing. So when I went to the World Tribe, I was like, no, I'm out. Like all the, all the Aussies. I'm not saying, Janine's not a part of this. Like, you know, I was like, I'll linked up with, because everyone started seeing me and Janine as a, you know, tight thing.

You need to break that. The only way to, how are you going to create a lie when people see straight through it, Shat? Like, when you're sitting there creating these lies, it's like, George going up there and going, oh, I've done this and I've done this, and you're just going to vote for each other. And you're just like, the whole time you're sitting there thinking, like, delusional. Like, we've all sat together and we're all voting you out.

Like, like, the George vote was us coming together to all vote George out. So, but when one person's doing that, like, I'll give him credit because his confidence is like unbelievable. And it does, look what it does. it does put doubt in people's mind when it comes to strategy. But at that time, it was just like he didn't want to work with me, you know, and because obviously what I did to him in the first vote. So the situation for me and Janine to go back forward is we had to separate.

Like it was like you have to completely, that's what divided conquer is. It means like, see you later, good luck with your plan. I've got her to do my plan. And because even if she goes, we're all voting Kirby, that could be a lie. So, for instance, like, that's why we need to swing votes on another person. So then the next tribal, you can actually go, we 100% thought we'll go on this way. You know, for instance, like you hold, you stick to that lie, you know? Yeah.

So because the world could have been going with you and then Surrey's out. You know, so you have plan A and plan B there. You've got two plans. So one's going to work. One's going to work. And even if Janine's going, oh, it's Kirby, it's Kirby's Kirby, I could be like, they're lying to you. It's actually Surrey over here.

But I was the one really pushing the Surrey name because I had to make it believable. And the only believable way it was Shoney, Shoney was happy to join up with me. I was tight with Tommy and if Shawnee went for Parv, they probably wouldn't believe it. So that's why I was like coming up with the move. I was like, Shawnee won't go for Parv. Now, I didn't even speak to Shawnee about Parv, but I was like, Shawnee would take out Surrey because she just did a move with Pav, you know, and they were like, oh, okay, you know, but obviously there's no way they would have taken

out Surrey, like zero chance. Yeah. But I used it. I used it against Ceree to say they were coming for you, you know? Yeah. How did you feel about Kirby going? Because she had broken up the Australians. You weren't happy about that,

but you have a relationship with Kirby. She is an Australian. So like, and you hadn't voted for her. So how did you feel about the fact that she had left the game at that point? I think Kirby maybe ruined her own game, to be honest. I think me and Janine and Sarah and her could have really, went down to final four if she just, you know, didn't swing in.

I know that she wanted to swing in to Sarah, you know, for that reason, but again, like, you know, my intention was not to really have much. I still wanted to stay Australia strong. So, like, she went out next, right? Did I say she would get voted out next? Like, you know, like, it happened. And it would be like, it's like,

This mentality is like, it's going to happen because I'll make it happen. You know? So it's like, if you do this move, you will be out next. And I'll be like, well, why? It's like, because I will make it happen. Like, that's the mentality. It's like, because you're then making my game and everyone else's game, you know, hard. And I actually think like if she stayed strong, maybe pretended to do that move,

she would have had much more loyalty with me and Janine. then she would have had with Surrey and Parv. Like, it's like me going to my enemy's house right now. I'm going, hey, let's all hang out. But then I'll not play with my friends that I've grown up with for the rest of my life. You know, that's how I kind of felt. I was like, you've just jumped over into the enemy's territory to make a move on Sarah when you already had potentially me and Janine that would have told you when Sarah's coming for you.

So, yeah. that's when I realized I was like screw the Aussies like you know the Aussie shit for me was out the window yeah would you have put her name out there yourself oh I did I did yeah I put everyone's I said any of the Aussies

I was over in the world chart going anyone I'll take any Aussie like I'll like legit like that's why that was my only way in to be like I'm I'm with you Cass Lisa Tommy now it's us for like yeah and so what so that's why I was like I'll like I'll say I'll go sorry whoever you just want to go um but you know me choosing an Aussie name with

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You are. I wish I could spend all day with you instead. Uh, Dave, you're huff mute. Hey, happens to the best of us. Enjoy some goldfish cheddar crackers. Goldfish have short memories. Be like goldfish. So you're going to put out Surrey's name, vote for her,

and then very quickly get locked into, a four-person alliance with Surrey and Parvety that is so tight and is like going to navigate this whole end game how does that happen? Like how does it get to that point? Because the internationals decided to be so loyal to Parve and Surrey they decided to choose them over me and Shawnee. They completely outcast you, Shan. You know, like they you can only sit there and beg to play

with an alliance for so long until they until you could throw it back in their face you know yeah and then for you know I think it was just like a if you know what

if Tommy came up to me last second and said dude we've got the numbers to go path that would have held much more weight than Lisa like for Lisa to come up and do the old right the last second they didn't vote with us

on the first one they didn't vote with us on the second and then like they didn't even let me you know what I mean they did they were like stayed to the fact of the serene name with me serene name serene name

and then that's fine but when they finally didn't take one of us to the spa then arrived back from the spa pretty much would have said hello for two seconds and then walked off and then sat in their own groups for about an hour. And then like the last five minutes before the end,

Lisa comes over and goes, we're going to do a move on parve and I'm not going to be involved in it. That was like, you know, Shoney was actually keen on doing it. Like she was like, maybe we shouldn't, you know? And I'm like, no, screw that. I was like, I'm not voting that way now. Like they've just done the last minute thing.

on me. But if Tommy came up to me and was like, look, bro, I've got the numbers to do something, I probably would have been like, all right, Sean, let's do it. Right. Let's take out Pav or let's take out whoever they wanted. Yeah. I get it at eight, but, you know, and then the double trial will go through seven. You're immune at seven, six and five and you have your idol. Like you, I think, have so much power through this end game. You're working with like, Shawnee wants to want to work with you. You've had that relationship. You've had that relationship. You've had Parv and Surrey, you have Janine, you have an idol, you're immune three times. Did you ever consider using that to try take the shot on poverty and or

Surrey at seven and the double tribal six and five when Tommy, Lisa and then Shawnee are going to go instead? Yeah, so the issue was that is when I got back and Lisa had said she wanted to quit, that held too much weight for me that I had actually gone up to Parve and said, listen, Pav, um, like, for me, I don't like it when people say they quit, because now you're just going to be that guy person that just gets dragged to the end and they sit next to the end. And they get to experience the whole rest of the game, like, you know, for instance, and I was, I was not happy with that. So I said to Pav, I said, look, I could easily try and take you

out on the next one or you could take me out. I said, let's just put our swords down, knives down for everything, and let's get the person who said that they wanted to quit out of the game. And unfortunately, that's probably the perfect time is when I would have swung on part because she had two more votes with an idol, and I knew she had the idol. We had two votes to take her out, for instance, there. That was my thing. Now, when she ripped up the parchment, in every aspect of my game is I wanted to go rip up the parchment, then blindsided.

But that happened to be the vote on Lisa. when I just said let's just put our knives down and take out Lisa because one Lisa's I wouldn't have been happy for the finale and just say you said you want to quit and then it's like you're the next vote you're in there and the next vote you're in there next vote you're in there and you're sitting in the final three I'm like that's unfair like I was in there when she said she want to quit I said let her go let the game continue organically you know and I like Lisa like Lisa might not like me but at the same time, I just believe that it's like the,

there's this thing where I think if you quit or you say the words I want to quit, I think like it stuck with me more than the game itself where I was like, and so when I was having the chat with her and she's like, I want you a parve out for instance. Then on top of it, I said to parve, let's just lay down the things and get her out because then the game can continue organically.

I knew I was shooting myself in the foot a little bit with that because that would have been the perfect opportunity to take pal-about. Just there. I would have to rip up the thing. Then I would have just went up to Shawnee and, you know, told Janine, oh, listen, you owe me one. We're swinging on parve now. But I've just pretty much said for us to lay our swords down

and get the quitter out of the game so the game can continue. And but when I look back at the the footage of the quitting and the situation, I feel bad because I like, I actually like, I think when you put it in the context of when Lisa was trying, what she was trying to do, I think it's very like a nice thing, you know, it was like a nice thing. But I was looking at a more of a, you shouldn't be in the game once you said that. because now it makes it makes it awkward for us to like i could easily go put the put the knives down for me and parv for the authentic uh the being authentic of the game um and then get at a ripper and

then blindsider with that information that's like i feel like that's a little bit too much there's a lot yeah that's like yeah that's like me being a complete like i think a piece of shit. And I think when I'm using the actual game, the authentic part of the game against Pav to take her out after she rips up her thing, like, I just think, like, I just couldn't do it. Like, I've just done the fact that Lisa said she didn't want to be there. But when you look back, it's like, you know, she was trying to do it for Tommy and certain

things. And I feel bad for that situation, how it all, you know, unfolded. Because if she didn't say those words, I probably wouldn't have, you know, like, that's why in the tribal, I was actually saying, Jonathan, no, like, let her go now. Like, she should be gone, like, from the game. And then they said, we'll still be doing a vote out. Yeah. Yeah.

You know how about you once got someone to give up his immunity necklace and then called him the dumbest survivor of all time and then voted him out? So, you know, people do a lot in this game. Totally. And that's what I'm saying is like. you know, maybe I should have, you know, got her to go, listen, we need to vote out, say the person who said the Q word. And then she falls into a, you know, a bit of like a safety net,

rips up the idol, and then I voted her out. That's what was like, the moment we've ripped her up, all I thought about was like, this is my moment we vote her out. I voted her out right here. She's got her idol for her next vote. But I just, I don't know, it was like, it plays on your conscience a little bit, whereas I think it's like a little bit too snaky for my liking.

It's very sneaky. What about the final seven when your mate Tommy comes to you and you've had the relationship with Tommy and he wants to go for them and you're going to vote Tommy out? Like, was there anything there? I mean, you wanted to take out Lisa, I think, instead of Tommy, but was there anything about swinging on a poverty or so re-there, which is what Tommy is trying to do?

That's why I went up and had the little chat. Yeah. But Janine said to me, she was like, no, it has to be, this shows you how tight Janine had fallen into the connect with Pav and Surrey is because she pretty much like half stopped me wanting to do a move. Yeah, okay. So she, you know, when we're at the back kind of, you know, know, didn't want to make a move on Surrey and Parv because she said, let's take Tommy,

it means you win all the immunities, right? And I was like, but in my head, I was like, I'm titled Tommy out of the lot. And, you know, if Janine's not going to make the move, I've just thrown Lisa under the bus, she's not going to make a move. It's only going to be me and, me and, um, Shawnee that are going to be able to swing in on Pav right now. and even if I got up and played an idol for Tommy, then Parv would play her idol for herself. So I just, the only thing I feel like I regret doing

was either Strong Arm and Janine at that point because it is what I wanted, but at the same time, she did make a good point to say, you'll win all the immunities from here. And so that kind of made me go, yeah, okay, will be the last man standing and I'll probably have a good chance of winning these immunities.

But the only thing I swear I should have done is said if that's the case, we're not swinging now because she said no, let's pretend it's parbs so we can at least flush her idol for instance, you know, or flush something. Like when I look back, it's like they're probably the moves I didn't do, which is get to flush, try to flush the items. So, yeah, look, you can't play everything exactly perfect, but at the same time, it's like, I would have been more inclined. That's why we got up, me, Johnny and Tommy, sorry, and Janine, but Janine was like, no, no, like, keep it simple. Like, you're going to win all immunities, and, you know, and it's hard to, as I said, it's nearly like I should have just strong armed or tried to cash in that favor. earlier for a move

so it was kind of like yeah we've all just had the big crazy move now let's just settle it a bit but at the same time it's like I don't know here like this is you know I'm starting to miss out on the the big move you know

like I'm starting to slowly kind of feel like I'm cut myself short and I'm you got to understand I'm still trying to play an under the radar game to some degree. Like, I still feel like there was people like Lisa, you know, that was, you know, and even Surrey, like, even though they were playing,

they're very quiet and chill about their moves. And I used to struggle with the Lisa situation because I had watched this season and I know that she can be cut through it. She plays like a very, like what I felt like is, kind of like a peer Miranda could be like very nice and then completely cutthroat

when it needed to be so when we have these moments I'm like nah she's she's got a bit of spice to her when she wants to pull it out if that makes any sense yeah I don't know how conscious or unconsciousness would have been for you

but I feel like you must have been on some level burnt by playing two seasons as like the loudest guy on the season pretty much doing like the big moves and then like always getting cut before the end like there must have been some sort of trauma related to if I do that then do I get cut then I don't even get to the end that's been your experience on two seasons of the show yeah which is which is why I'm saying I actually tried to fall into the little bit of a under the radar game that's why I was the last

male that's why I was able to like still use my social connect like to be fair it was a total different game that I've ever played. And do you know what? If it's, if you can't get to the end or you can't win for whatever reason, it's smart like to change just tact, you know? Like it shows that I've got like different like ways of playing. Like I can sit there and be super quiet, use the social or I can sit there and, you know, do some crazy stuff at five and do this and do that.

At the same sentence, I'm kind of like, you know, I found my bestie and Janine. I still had Sarah that I knew that I would have went all the way to the end with Kirby I would have went all the way at the end but like when all that kind of turned to shit that's when I was like oh I guess I'm you know I should have even like maybe even cut

like gone just to be a point where I was just because even I was still playing for Janine as well you know like it was like we both where I should have just kind of gone just straight from I'm playing for number one here and, you know, and built the resume and do whatever. But at the same sentence, I was like, I'll just do that and then get cut just like on my last seasons.

Yeah. Well, not the final five. Yeah, the final five. Yeah, so that was my, that's probably the biggest regret. That one is that, that's probably the biggest regret over the, you know, as in like, when I say regret, it's like, it's like sliding doors moments. Yeah. where I was like, you know, in the end I was still in a good position

because you hadn't seen, but for multiple votes when I had the necklace and, you know, when we took out Lisa and kind of, you know, started going down that route, I kept going, I'm not afraid to sit next to path. Like, I'm not afraid to sit next to no one. So I was trying to make it out. Like, like, you know, because otherwise then at some point, You've got to, like, kind of say if she's up here, I'm coming up, you know, like I'm coming

for that. So it's like the whole time and then the necklaces and then being on the right side of the votes and stuff like that, it was just like my game was just missing that one big move, you know, which was the final five, for instance, you know? And you can understand is when I was there, I feel like the mistake I had made is I pulled my idol out because it was this and then I put it around my neck. because when I had that I was like and then I was tapping Shawnee on the leg

because I was going to play it for her and then it wasn't until I can't remember how the votes and stuff started going but then I was like this is where I'll fuck up and do a big move and get voted out you know and just like normal like it's happened to me twice now

and I'm like and every and for me you're going to understand it actually takes probably more poise for me to not do the big move than it is to do the big, for instance. Like it's harder sometimes for me to stay quiet and not do it than be like, yeah, I'm going to do it. Like, it's going to be mad, you know? So it was like me maturing, I feel like to some degree,

feeling like don't do it because it might ruin your chances of getting to the end. At the time, I should have just gone up there, written Surrey's name down, or Pabs, whatever, and played the idol for Shawnee like I was going to. Because then I would have sat there in the tribal council wearing nothing, and then, for instance, the Surrey goes home. So that was where it was at the whole time. But then I was like, you can understand, what's the worst case scenario, Sean? What's the worst case scenario of that?

that you go home after you've just protected everyone but you yeah exactly if part of just throws the vote yeah now you're going to understand so that is like a little thing in my mind it's like dude if i do this i'm going to look like the dumbest person ever because i've just given everything away because i want this once again luke with the big flashy move and to hand everything away and then luke gets voted off and goes home so you're going to understand there's like there's the consequences and there's the glory you know and in a game like this on a 14 day game and i've been on the the probably the the um chiller side for so long i was like who's to say like i can't be um part if it was me and parv on just a standing log challenge right

for like when when it didn't go down to the little tiny little things who's to say i could I could have sat on there until I died. But when I went down to a tiny little needle, I'm like, well, that's a little bit different for me. If you're going to talk about just being uncomfortable and being able to move and find different things, like, it's going to be someone shits himself up there, whatever, like, you know, I don't know, but I'm going to be, I'm going to be confident in the fact that, I don't know what the last challenge is, you know, in the end, I gave them all, and again,

Like, I thought the speech, like, again, like, I could have probably done better with the speech and handled that a bit better. But, look, in the end, I just try to have as much fun out there. And I like to play with the people that I like to have fun with. So at the time, Parv was, you know, like, she was fun. Seri's fucking amazing. You know, like, everyone was fun. But at the same time, like, you just, you know, you like to, that mentality of taking out part. before Lisa, considering the conversations and the situation where she wanted me out anyways,

like I've chosen to take out someone that at the bottom rather than the top at that point over certain conversations. And if I was able to say talk really well in the final, say for instance, and I won over part, for instance, whatever, not saying it would have, but, and I did the little move at the final five like that's where you'd want to be you know like that's how i wanted to um sit you know i want to sit try to like have a crack at um you know who had played a good game and and at the same time i took um you know i ended up at the end with my bestie um you know in the game so it's it's you remember there's a lot of emotions out there as well you know like that's what i

saying about write down Dave's name and, you know, say if I had to write down Sarah's name or something like that, it's like it's a little bit different of a game for me, you know, and you know, if I could play it back again, maybe I would just be like, yeah, fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, you know, for instance, and get everyone out, but at the same time, it's like,

if I couldn't win, I would, I would want Sarah to win, or if I wanted to win, I wanted Dave to win, if I wanted to win, if I wanted Kirby to win, you know? So it was like, or Janine. So it's a little bit different, you know, thought process to playing with your friends, you know? Yeah. And I think it's a big thing for you seems to be two seasons of trauma of almost winning. And I think like in 2017, like the big moves did put you out there.

And the 3-2-2, you know, you go home shortly after that. But I don't think in 2019, like, you making big moves is what doomed you. Like I think you made big moves when you needed to at the swap when you and Dave in trouble and at the final five and I just think you were Luke you know I don't think it was anything you did I think it was who you were like you because I don't think that you you made two big grooves in 2019 and then but I feel like that trauma and that like that was in your kind of consciousness at that point about like how do I not go out for the end again when I would win if I get to the end well it's the idea is how do I not be the same but as I said it

If it's not broken, why change it? You know, if I did say one, win that last challenge, maybe I would have went on to win the game, for instance. But on this one, the same thing. You know, like I went in there, I was like, I'm going to play the idol for the Johnny. I was tapping on the leg. Like, I was locked in.

And then somewhere in that tribal, you know, the sensible part of, you know, Janine probably washed over me was like, just do the sensible thing, Luke, and play it for yourself. Because if you get a break down. Yeah, well, that's, but that's what I'm saying, but you are your environment, you know, so if I'm sitting there with you and we're going out and you're like, don't do that, that's stupid, don't do this, just like that, you're going to just start being like less yourself a little bit, not less yourself, but you'd be more like reserved, like you're just like, yep, okay, I'll do the smart thing. And the smart thing is play the idol for myself, you know? For instance, isn't it? That's the smart thing. But then, There's the me just wanting to be me being like, nah, fuck this, have that, you know,

like that's the me, but I, um, I, um, yeah, like I, I, I tried to adjust and change. And look, in the end, I did the one thing that I said that I never, ever wanted to do, which was, uh, like both seasons, I feel like if I was going to get to the end, I feel like it was a good chance I'll win. And this season, um, I knew when I kind of got to the end, I was against it, you know, I was against a fight. Like I had a fight up against my hands rather than me just getting to them going, oh, I'm going to wipe the floor here.

And that came from, you're going to understand, like three votes of potential, you know, fighting from the bottom, you know. And fighting for the bottom is not pretty. Like, you know, like to sit there and think that you can sit there and go have call the shots, Like, you don't get to call the shot, Shan. You have to, like, create the crack, right? And that was, crack was me and Janine, knowing that we're not in a good spot here. Because if Janine didn't find the crack with Surrey and Pav,

and I didn't swing on the others to then open it right up with the two, it probably would have been me going home at some point. Like, if the World Tribe just stayed strong. like so it was like um because after curves they're just going to pick down the line they even said they were going to stay world strong you know um at least i had good connections with nearly everyone um but yeah again it was um you know the sliding door movers and stuff i think that um uh sometimes the sensible option is not always the best option but i think it's true what you said as well like you didn't have safety until the final eight like you didn't you couldn't breathe

until coming out of that double tribal and actually having a group the entire time since dave went in the entire game like you found sanctuary that probably didn't feel very nice to blow up because you finally like had something where you could actually like hang your hat up for a little bit and I definitely get that mentally as well but then like looking at the the votes like who had you hope to get in the in the jury like who who were you hoping would be because you as you said part of was big competition but who were you hoping you'd get well i kind of knew that um as i said that it was that shunny one where i just knew i wanted to have the big move and so when it was like you got to understand uh when your head is like i'm going to give away all my shit do the big move

vote out three um and then i was going to roll into the challenge and for instance if we win the challenge happy days if I don't like I got the fire option right but there was a as I said it was like there was that moment where I was like oh my God if I give everything away just as I was about to vote like I think it was a little bit like you know when you have an out of body experience you're looking back at yourself when you're sitting on the chair and you're giving everything away and you get voted out so that kind of that's when I was like oh my God do the sensible thing and then I pulled back on that thing and obviously took Shawnee out.

And when you look at it poetically, it's like the whole time I was Aussie strong, Aussie strong, all I cared about is for an Aussie winner. Like all I wanted was an Aussie winner. Like really, that's what I wanted. And then the one time I have a chance to save an Aussie, which would be Shawnee,

I don't do it. And potentially that was my moment where I was like, that's when I would have walked into the final tribal gone. I gave everything away. I was in control. like you don't you don't um because in the end you when there's a boxing fight and there's 12 rounds and say the first person beats up the other for the six rounds and then the other person

beats up that person for the other six rounds who are you going to vote to win the person who's winning at the end of a fight not the person won the first six rounds right because it's the end of the fight and and i felt like that would have been my my story to be like yeah i got knocked around in the first six rounds. But then I've taken control from six rounds onwards, given everything away, I had no problem taking Parv, whatever happened to be Parv. And now of a sudden, like, she had to play a quieter game to hopefully stay in because of me, you know, for instance.

So I definitely felt like I wanted a showdown as well. Like I did tell Parv, that's what I said about cutting Lisa and stuff. I was like, I know at some point. you've got to be hard to be, but, um, like, I knew that was the time where I could have swung on par, as I said, with the cutting up the thing. But, um, I just, I had to get Lisa out, unfortunately. And it was, it was all about the cue word, it, you know, and unfortunately it was like, I feel bad because when you look back on it, I feel, um, you know, um, she had her reasons and I understand her reasons at, you know, but when I was out there, I didn't.

look at it as I didn't look at it as that I looked at it as the fact that now she's going to be dragged to the end by every single player here and that's unfair like we want to show down like we know we want to like we want

I want to go down it's the best of the world it's the first ever one I want to like a widow that's like you know like tried to have a crack you know so when I when I So who were the votes that you were surprised you didn't get? That you got Sarah, obviously.

Like, who else had you wanted to get against poverty? I think if I articulated and I got that final five thing, I think I definitely feel like I could have maybe swung. Well, I was hoping to get the Aussies. So obviously, Shawnee, hopefully, Kerbs and Sarah. And then Tommy and Cass was an up in the air, you know. I didn't know how, I didn't know them that well to be like, are they going to be pissed off that, you know, she got to play an idol for her? Like, how am I supposed to understand exactly their thought process on, you know, the way that, um, being able to give someone an idol?

Because I was pitching this, it's easy, Shannon, it's easy to blindside a loyal friend, right? It's harder to take down the opposite team, which you have a, when there's like a, as a team against team, for instance. So, you know, say for instance, for me to just blindside Janine, how easy would that be? Like, we're just, we're walking through this game, feeling like we've got each other's back. So, like, you can see there and go,

oh, that's an amazing move to blindside your friend. But at the same time, it's like, is it that hard to, but, like, you know, like, is it really that hard to? Yeah. So I kind of was like thinking that there's a good chance. Look, if I speak really well, sometimes I've done like a keynote and I'm on. Like I'm like working the room. Like I'm like cracking jokes left front, center.

I think my speech I wasn't on. Like I felt off like I didn't find my momentum because that's what I need sometimes is momentum. and then once I get gone I'm good but I just feel like my speech was a bit off but again like I don't feel like I'm going to like I think beat myself up because I came for instance like you know

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Well, again, it was the breaking it down because of the quit, you know, that we'd made a decision to put all our lives down to not, you know, go through with any blind sides, would you say, for that round, as I said, to get this around. So I think, you know, like it's, It's hard to, what's the word, put that into words exactly as well. You know, when you do look back and you go, you know, when I sent her back from the auction, that was still an argument.

But at the same time, her thought process was exactly the same as mine. She wanted to stay in the auction. You know, it was like you've got the same thought processes, you know. and because it works out for one person, it doesn't work for another, then it's like, oh, that person's a dick and that person's smart, for instance, you know? The idea is she played a great game.

Like when I've seen her, you know, really when she felt under pressure, she jumped at the right time over to the Aussies, and she knew that, like, well, she had Janine, she technically had three now because Janine was extremely tight with them, And she didn't want to really turn on them. So I was now playing in that group of four,

but I was also, you know, say for instance, if I was going to make a move, it's like all on me, you know? It's not like I'm bringing Janineen to potentially make a move on Surrey and Pard. So that's why I was, you know, utilizing Shawnee. But, you know, for me to save Shoney at the end, a final five and then take it at the thing on Surrey,

as I said, the worst case scenario is me going home and that and then I look stupid. And then on top of it, I would save Shoney that probably wouldn't let me go to fire, for instance, in the real world if it was just, if Jay wasn't there. And then I'm like, so I played the sensible game. Did it win me the game? No, but did it get me to the final? Yeah. And it took me there with my bestie.

So when I come to the speeches, we've seen people win the game off their speech, for instance. you know so um yeah maybe um maybe i could have said a few things that you know maybe would have highlighted the fact that i was sitting at the end with jeanine and parv wanted to sit at the end with seri and yeah look where you get i imagine if it was a final two right now like you know it was um yeah like i still took my bestie all the way of the end and you didn't like and there was another thing that was getting that I remember sitting there when she was talking and I like you know when someone's talking but you've got a thought in your head and you're like trying to listen but you're trying to remember your thought to say something and I remember sitting

there like the whole time and I was it's probably when I probably could have rebuffed back at her at something but I was remember it's holding on to something and I was like make sure you say that she didn't want to sit next to you and remember. They voted me, tried to vote me out. They didn't try to sit next to me over Janine. You just wanted me out. Yeah. That's what you did, but you couldn't get me because I still won fire and I'm still here.

So you're going to sit there and go, yep, you voted correctly. Like, that's, like, congrats. Like, it is a great thing. Like, she, as I said, Pav, fucking one of the best, well, she is the best player, all right? Now she is the best player. But easily, you can see why she's so good at there. And, you know, as I said, and then, like, say, if Surrey was at the end over part of, like, who knows? Like, the way I was looking at it's like, everyone's great out here, everyone, you know, and I know you can sit down and break it down to every single move of the season.

But, yeah, like, I think I can argue it a little bit better. Yeah. What about, like, a Shawnee? I feel like your relationship with Shawnee was so interesting. Like you're kind of together at the beginning on and off and you come back together and then she kind of falls away and then she doesn't vote for you. Like I'm just interested in how it got.

Like I can imagine you would have expected Shawnee's vote. Well, yeah. Well, the thing is, but as I said, like Parv did a really good job at the final tribal and the speech. And she was, you know, I even like tried to put it to Shawnee. I was like, shonnie if you were here you have played a very similar game to me in a way where you were a bit of the underdog like you were your name at times was brought up you jumped over from

different to different like so if you're going to vote for someone that's like yourself which is the underdog game well i'm the underdog game like you want me to be sitting up there and give you my vote for instance but par just did a great great thing to just come through with like the stats type of situation. And, you know, the fact that she was able to blight, like, you know, Shannon, how good is it when you get a player? Like, I've been able to do it is you vote someone out and they still want you to win and they don't get upset, right?

Yeah. Like, a lot of seasons aren't like that. You can vote someone out and then they get shitty, you know? And I feel like any time I've voted people out over the last three seasons, they still go, well, I want Luke to win. You know, Pab does the Zach saying, thing you can understand and not many players can actually have that you know Dave does exact same thing um not everyone has that exact same ability um to vote someone out and then for those

people to be voted out to go I want that person to win you know it doesn't matter how bad a fashion it was um I think what my problem was is I gave too much respect out there uh in the fact that the respect of feeling bad to vote someone out because they were my friend. Like I would have struggled to write out Sarah's name or we would have struggled to write out day's name. But I think deep down when I look at it as like they would have more appreciated it or that would have been like that's a good move or that's, you know. So I kind of like I struggled to separate those.

That's why I felt so bad even voting. Shawnee out, you know? And because I was like, because I knew like, if I can't win, I wanted Shawnee to win, you know, and I wanted like, you know, she's had a baby. She's played four times. Like, if there's anyone that could win, like, I'd like her to win, you know? Like, she's put so much skin into the game and, you know, like, and come up short. And same thing with Sarah and Curbs. Like, it's like I want to see my friend at the top of the stadium winning it. So

the World Tribe like it didn't bother like it didn't, I didn't care too much if any of the World Tribe members won weirdly enough until I kind of started swinging back from the Aussies and I was like, well then I was like well if I'm going to have someone to win

I was like I'll go against someone that I think would be a good representation of the game you know which is um you know and parv took it out like you know she's she's an all-rounder she's good at um everything when when it comes to the game she can be catthroat she's good at strategy she's good at challenges um you know so and you know when i sit there and say that um you know they ask you the questions they go oh what's um um what does survivor mean to you or something and i'm like i like crabs

like that fucking stupid ass but I think the mentality was like survivors you know when we came into it was a 55 day game you know there was survival aspects to survival

you know it was like you're out fishing you're out setting traps like certain people can see different things um aspects for the game and that was like an important part for me you know is being out and being able to live off the land a little bit so that was my mentality

about it because, you know, I'm always, like, proactive with, you know, say, for instance, the survival stuff of it. But again, you know, that question could have been answered 10 times, you know, better for me, you know, but I just, yeah, as I said, like, I've gone out there when my daughter's been unwell, like, you know, like, I've come back and I'm having to do it my own survivor shit in the hospital type of stuff so like you know

winning is important right winning's important like but like just because you don't win it doesn't mean that like you're anything less you know like this for all the players

that have played and come second and come third like you've worked out their way to get to the end and and like I just think for the first world tribe thing I wanted to like sit on the pegs or go against the challenge against you know for instance like people that I was enjoying playing the game with like you know yeah

I could you know imagine if I won on that final challenge you know then then it would have definitely been the swing in to take part you know maybe there would have been you know the vote out earlier um to take part but again like I'm not going to be unhappy that she beat me at the final challenge because I thought that, you know, she could beat me. It was, it was like, let's, let's have a crack, you know. I'm always about having a crack, you know, put me up against anyone, anywhere, any time. I don't care how big, small, you know, I still like have a crack, you know, and I think that's what's always been about. And, you know, if it wasn't par, I would love to see Surrey at the end, you know, because we did end up

having this four that unfortunately for me three and Janine because we all lost to the four and one of the four won it could have swung anyway say for instance in the last few votes you know you just and which that is the under the radar game is you play quiet chill until the time comes and I had my time I think to maybe do the cool move have the big resume move by taking out surreal parve, saying that final five and for instance

that sliding door moment, I did the old sensible thing as Janine would say, you know? Yeah. I mean, Janine gave you fire. Did you ever doubt for one second that she might vote you out there at the final four? Or was that the kind of game that you relied on

when you knew she was giving it to you? I think if I say if Shawnee, she wouldn't have. That's how I felt. Because she wanted Johnny out. And Shawnee had been wanting her out. So it was like, I don't think, I don't know, you'd have to ask Jay, but I think that if I save Shawnee, I think that there's a good chance she might have just gone, yeah, nah.

And then you're relying on Shawnee to give you fire. Yeah. And voting out. Which wouldn't happen. Right. You know. But, you know, I even thought about it at the time, I was like, Like, nah, because obviously all these little things run through you.

I was like, all right, the big move would be taking out Janine here, but then I know Shoney won't give me fire. You know, just as a crazy, there you go, there's your big move. That would be very crazy. That would be too crazy. That would be, that would be too much. Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying, but like, that was like a thing. And I was like, no, like, and then I was like, if I take, if I save Shoney here,

you know, Jane won't let me go to fire. And I'm like, look, you know, it's sliding door. you have it out there and sometimes it pays off and sometimes it doesn't but I definitely tried to play a total different game that which is the under the radar game and not making the big moves and playing the idol you know for someone like I actually in my head I was thinking about not even playing the idol and just wearing it at my final speech but you know but then again is someone going to look at that and go well that's stupid you should have played that You know what I mean?

Yeah. Like you're sitting at the end with an idol around your neck that you haven't played or done a big move with when you could have. And I was like, yeah, but I could have. That's the whole point of it, you know? But I think like after playing this season and seeing how it kind of like goes,

I think I'll probably just ever go back to my own big moveitis or, you know, back to the, you know, situation where I just kind of like you know as I said about being if I see my friends on reality shows about worried about like actually turning on them

you know that's actually like maybe it's easy for other people but for me is you know maybe it is a little bit harder you know even though I know that's the concept of the game I just found it um

um yeah I find a little bit harder you know, I think I like people too much, maybe. Yeah, it's a blessing and a curse. Yeah, it's a blessing and a curse, you know. Yeah, look, to be fair, it was nice to just get to end and just have a little bit of a taste of what I feel like. Yeah.

Yeah, and now, and I think it recalibrate your sense of the game because there was so much trauma of losing one type of way. and maybe you should validate ways you've played in the past. Like it seems like you took on so much about why you didn't win before when like maybe that wasn't your fault. You know, maybe the game just like the decks just against you sometimes. Like I think if it shows you that, you know, oh, I should have zigged when I zagged, but now I've zagged and I still didn't win.

It's like, well, maybe you like, you know, I think you were taking on so much of why you'd lost before. And maybe that this actually gives you grace that, you know, you didn't have to be as hard on yourself as you seem to have been on those like prior losses. Yeah, I think as well as just the, you know, it was the, I got caught up in the Australian, you know, really like the Aussie and an Aussie to win

and that mentality and I kind of maybe, you know, should be, should have been a bit more selfish on the fact that I needed a big move or I needed to do this for my game and not like, you know, saving someone or doing this. I just, I, as I said, I just, I kind of like, if you don't change nothing, and if I've lost twice, well, then I'm an idiot for just keeping the same strategy, which is like doing the exact same thing and expecting a different result.

I like to think I learn from my mistakes, and if I can't, I'll change a few things, and that was my change, I guess, you know, and it got me to the end. And again, if I had maybe played my hand better on that final five and got Parv out or got Surrey out, well, then you could be looking at the world's best, Shan, you know? Like, and it all comes down to a moment in time. But, you know, like, you can't, you got to understand, like, there's so many social connections out there.

It's like even the Parv situation, like, you know, people were saying, oh, Surrey couldn't have beat Parv at the end, but they get to the end and Surrey talks amazing and everything that Parv does, you know, she could claim, and it's how you're feeling at the time, you know, maybe, yeah, no one's seen Surrey win and she's given so much skin in the game and you're like, no, I'm going to give it to Surrey because Parv shouldn't have taken her there, for instance, you know?

But then she wanted to take her there because they mean so much to each other, you know. And so that's why it's a little bit, it's a, you know, it's a tough one because the, you're talking about 20 years of friendship or, you know, you're talking like, you know. But again, I think when I look back on it, it's like the friendships need to be completely. left off the table when you walk into the game. But it's easier said than done, you know? Yeah. Do you think about it if you were, if you lost at fire and you're a juror

and it's Janine, your bestie, Surrey and Parvety, like have you given much thought to where your vote goes in that case? Yeah, Janine. Janine's getting up. Yeah. Yeah. But then and then if it's like a tie,

if you have to vote again, like between Parvety and Surrey, you'd be pretty open. Yeah. I'd be pretty open, yeah, I think so. That's why I'm saying, because, do you know what it is? It's not a regular season, Chan. It's like a, you know, you're going to sit there and go,

someone played an amazing game, but, like, again, like, because you blind, so someone plays an idol for someone because they trust you dearly, and then you blindside them, and that's like, you know, you can go, yeah, that's amazing, but at the same time, it's like, blindsiding, your friends or someone that's loyal to you is easy. Like it's not hard to blindside your own people

that are loyal to. Like so Ceres, you know, got there because she's unbelievably good at building relationships. Like, she's like, you're not just, there's the game player but there's this, the fact that you're just

drawn to her. Like, like we, like, I got like, it's funny, I've only spent so much time with me, but I'm like, I fucking love her. She's just like you do. You're like, you know? Yeah.

I probably don't cry. You know what I mean? You'd be asking why I'm not crying to talk to you. Yeah, well, I was going to ask that. I was going to ask that. I could have some tissues. We've got history, Shan, you know? Like, we did, you know, we've done a lot like in the past.

Like, you've been with me through this whole survival journey just as much as JLP as to some degree, like, you know, I mean, like, and Ryan, like, Rick, you know, like, you guys have, you know, use gives so much bad, like, and that's what I'm saying, it's like, at least in the game, when there's always the, you know, there's the part of, you know, the moves and the crazy part, there's the most part, there's actually a special part which is in the relationships, you know, that you get out there and spend so much time. And that's what's actually quite hard in going back and, playing with players that you've now like you know played the game with you've got a

relationship then out of the game you've got this like tight relationship and then there's something that means so much to each person out there and then you've got to take it off them by blindside and when they trust you like I just I don't know I find it I found it like a bit harder than um yeah with blindsiding say Lisa or Tommy or Cass for instance or Saria Parv at the time was much easier because I don't have these relationships with them before this actual game. So my whole intent was to take the world tribe down, you know, for instance. But, you know, naturally now, because I played with them,

I'd be hell hard if I, say, landed on Big Brother and when Surrey was there and I'd have to blindside Sarri, do you know, how hard that'd be? You know, we're like, wow. But I think what it is, is, I think what it is, is I need to have an epiphany movement from this season that the people that I feel like, how would I feel about Blind Side 3 if I played Big Brother now? She'd love it because that's what I'm saying.

It's like, instead of me going, oh, I couldn't, it'd be like, no, no, no, she would love it post-thinker. You'd be like, you got me, right? But when you're in the game, I struggled with that a little bit. Yeah, well, yeah. It was a tough one, Luke. you know you you came in with so many relationships in some ways that was like helpful in some ways that really complicated things so i know i hope you're not taking it too out it's

been like a crazy year since you went out to play pretty much a year ago and then with your daughter so yeah the one thing um shan is i um like i'm still getting mad love everywhere you know yes if you don't make a few bad moves people say you know he played you know not the best game and this and that like that doesn't mean anything to me like i was saying to sarah i was like um that mainly the biggest thing was when the final tribal council all i kept thinking was like oh my god it was like seven days from now a year ago is when i started the hospital journey like the survivor thing was like had become such a like small thing in my life at the time because the hospital thing was like

the most craziest time of my life probably ever, you know? So when it all like, yeah, when all everything kind of unraveled, I actually just thought it was nice to sit and watch the show win, lose or draw

like with the kids, you know? And yeah, so that's, so I'm fine like the survival world. I've already had, I've been lucky enough to play three times. I've been lucky enough for every single time

my shows to make it extremely deep or win, you know, whether it'd be Big Brother or Survivor. You know, I've already done

like some crazy moves. Like, you know, it's only the, you know, the person in me would be like, it'd be like

narcissistic, be like, I haven't done enough. I didn't, you know, like I feel like after I played once, I was like,

I'm lucky. You know, I'm lucky to play some of one of them. Do you have the people that don't get to play that would have loved to play? Like, I'm sure you'll be out there at some point. Surely there'll be like, you know. Have you actually, would you play? No, you know I'd be dead, Luke.

Play. So this is what I'm saying, but, you know, because you talk about it, right, a lot. Like, you probably know all the players, all the moves, all the strategy. But you know what? You need to have Shannon? You need to go out and play

so you can actually see, the relationship part of it. Luke, I would see the first half a day and then I would be medevathed. I'm having a panic attack. And you know it. So, yeah, I'd really get a sense of it, the first six hours in the game.

No, because it'll give you a different type of appreciation. I appreciate it from my house. No, no, you need, there's a different, there's a different, you know. I'm definitely not going out there now. Our best excuse ever You know what? There'd be people

online that want to see you do it so you have to give it to the fans Give it to the fans I'm busy Get to the fans Shal Um Luke

We're way of a time Like we're so well Yeah You have places to me Oh I didn't take time Yeah You know

You go But you It was good We got it all out I feel like You watched yourself Windfire in a finale with your kids, you know, on your third time playing.

Like, you are lucky in that way. And this game is small comparably to other things that you know more than maybe anyone, more than most. And even within that, it's a joy. You know, it's a gift. You play it three times. People love you. You're the people's champion.

And you make it far and you've won a big brother and you play the traders. Like, it's a gift, I think. Yeah, it is a gift. You know? And that's how I look at it. at it. It's like, you know, you just are blessed, you know, blessed to go out there and have a crack and people like watching it. So I think I've said that anyways. I think I've probably said that every podcast. I always count my blessings rather than the losses, you know.

Yeah. Okay. Well, where can the people find you and what you're doing and everything online that you're doing? um yeah so oh look currently i'm trying to like work together something i'm trying to go down the fishing rope route but that's not launched yet but yeah you know you've got my stuff same thing insta facebook i'm sharing everything on there um i've still got some of that merch left of my shirts and stuff that i've got my creeping shirt i should have got it out why yeah i actually have some holes in it hey or what I can find it. I have it. I definitely know. Yeah. So, look, in the end, that's all going to wrap up. I'm definitely, yeah, I've always got something happening, you know.

Okay. Yeah. Well, this interview was double as long as the time you gave me, but we've just been chatting. I should have looked at this alarm. I'm sorry. You told me when you would tell me when you wanted to wrap it up and you never did. I should have set my alarm. There we go. wrap it up. All right. Thank you so much, Luke. Thanks for the chat. Thanks for so much time that you've given us. Always great to catch up and talk about your game. It was a historic game. Australia versus the world. You get to go out there on a world stage as you deserve. And it was great to watch you out there. But thank you so much, Luke. Thank you to our team

behind the scenes. Thank you to all the listeners. And I will see you next time. Bye. 12 ordinary australians one million pounds million pounds million euros i think of try to spread

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