RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor AU vs The World Preseason Draft

Episode Date: August 13, 2025

Survivor AU vs The World Preseason Draft We Know Global Survivor host Shannon Guss is taking on the world in the Survivor AU V World Draft. Here, Shannon (AU) and the recappers of Chappell, Pooya and Mike (The World) draft teams of players from this highly anticipated upcoming season. Never miss a minute of RHAP’s […]

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Ontario. Hello, everyone, I'm going to share it. Try. Hello, everyone, and welcome to RHAP's coverage of Australian Survivor View World. I'm your host, Shannon Gus, here for more pre-season content. You didn't think it was possible, but it is. It's endlessly possible.

It's the longest possible pre-season for the shortest possible season, and we are here to do more of that pre-season content. We have a draft for you, a different draft for this historic season, and to do that draft. I had to welcome in my recap bitches. Here we are again. Second season with these people. Firstly, Chappelle.

How are you, Chappelle? I'm excited, but I'm like very, very, like, I'm trying to act normal, right? I'm trying to act like this is not some crazy fever dream that we're living in right now where we're doing Australia Survivor versus the world. But where else would I want to be except for here with you talking about this? Oh, like the go-to podcast for this type of coverage. Thank you so much, Chappelle.

Your opinion means the world to me. And now moving on through the recap bitches, the person in the middle who's always there in the middle of the week, usually getting non-alims that probably won't exist in this season. So it's getting better. Puyah, how are you? Call me Malcolm,

but I'm also the reigning champion of any drafting billing channel. So I didn't call you Malcolm, so I had to laugh at you. Relax. Okay, relax, Mike, look at us. We're in the second tier together. No, I love this.

Little awesome. We can flip. We could make a force a two-two tie if we want to. Make it go to fire. I always go to fire for you, Mike. No, Shannon, thanks for bringing us back in for this. Like, Chappelle, I'm absolutely over the moon. Like, I think back to when we first started all this, you know, you're like excited just

to cover the show. And then now we're like covering the show, but like talking about all these legends that happened before we started podcasting. And that's always a treat. Yes, it is. We're very lucky to cover the season. Also, this is going to be a competitive draft if you guys care about your placement in the stream yard because this is just, but just in order of the week of recaps that we do.

And the person who's always my final recap, bitch, because usually I'm like, we'll talk for so long. We should give people a little bit longer to listen. That was kind of the thought process behind it. Obviously, my favorite. It is a great, Mike Blue. My thing for being here. I'm always here to take up the rear. Let's make one thing clear.

No, I'm pumped to be here. I do think, Shannon, you know, you're joined by three Americans on this podcast. We do have three American legends that are playing this season. Should we start the first of many mapping exercises and have you assign which alum is which alum from an American perspective to the three of us? I love it so much. Puyah will obviously be relegated last to the person I can't work out. Mike is Tony.

He's crazy. Oh, you're all crazy. You can all kind of be Tony. But I kind of feel like Mike should be Tony. I actually feel like Puyah might be poverty. Like, I'm not just going to, like, shove him into the third slot. It's Puyahill. Chappelle, are you lovable enough to be Surrey?

Is that like Chappelle is an absolute social butterfly. It can work any environment that he's in, much like Surrey. I think it makes a lot of sense. Do I have to play the message she sent me on my birthday where she told me I was family? Because, yeah, she definitely did say I was family. So I accept, thank you. as the Surrey. I'm happy with mine.

I accept. Yeah, listen, I mean, look, that couldn't go badly. Like, anyone would be happy with theirs. I know, you're still out, bro. Why'd you pick me as Tony? I would be happy with any of them.

Chappelle, you help me meet Surrey. Like, if you are family with Sarah, why have I ever met Surrey? Everyone has failed so badly in the task of this, but hopefully by the end of the season, I will have been helped to meet Surrey. I mean,

that's the thing, you know, not only to just co-sign what these other two lovely gentlemen were saying, but, like, this season is just a absolutely wild concept, right? Like, this is the stuff that Brant Steele's have been building, building in the back end for the better part of a decade. And I think nobody necessarily thought it would be the case. I know Jeff Probst has certainly commented on, like,

he does not necessarily view international seasons in a certain light. I know international seasons, they brought on Russell, they brought on Sandra, but especially with 50 on the horizon, how can they book talent? And so to have this happen, and especially to bring in people from some of these other international franchises that Shannon you have done, you know,

the absolute yeoman's work to cover these voluminously and then to have them be shown in such a larger spectrum of things. Now, granted it is Australian Survivor, so we'll see how much that's represented in the edit at the end of the day, but like, I never thought I'd see Rob Bentelay play Survivor.

Again, I never thought I'd see Lisa play, again, much to my enjoyment. So, it's a really interesting experiment, you know, we've got to kind of take with what we're given in terms of just the criminally short season and runtime of said season. But regardless,

the concept and especially the cast has me so incredibly invigorated to check out what is going to happen when we essentially get, we go from the Super Bowl of Survivor and winners of war to the Olympics of Survivor with Australia versus the world. Yeah, and can we give a big shout out to all

these global listeners that you're going to have, Shannon? Because like, that's the thing. You obviously are the global expert but like I don't know if the Quebec people have been checking you out they're here now shout out to y'all uh of course that sounds like everybody yeah we got everybody here now we haven't we already had a lot of Finnish fans okay the Finnish fans were they reached out when Tommy was included yeah that's what I'm saying like that look the audience is grown now and so we're going to give them a show yes that is that's the hope okay well Sam had the idea

of doing this AEV well dropped also Sam maybe we get a cast photo at some point if that's possible but yeah we were thinking Sam was thinking maybe we do an AUV world draft and now just looking at the way as we have three US legends I am Australian AUV world me versus you seven players each we go

back and forth it seems fair right and then if I lose it's funny because I had half the board and do we like this is what we're doing? Yeah because then if you win it's like yeah you needed all the help you could get you needed I'm alone though to be fair you all have each other how does this affect your average draft placement. No, this isn't,

this is a whole different new thing. No, this is definitely canon. Like, if you do that, pull this one out, Shannon, it's going to look really, really bad. Yeah, I mean, what we could also say as well is, like, that's going to be really interesting. Depending on the person who wins, I

will be massively intrigued to see if the fan base will, like, put an asterisk next to this win or not, right? Like, if it's someone more unsavory, it'll be like, well, it was only 16 days and 14 people, but. But it's true, it's canon, and it means the world to me. it means more than game change.

It's the highest honor, okay? This is something I've been speaking about with some of the listeners and really like grappling with myself. I think we should get it out of the way because I think it's important, obviously. I don't think it's an asterisk. I think that when you talk about winners,

we always qualify with, it was this many days, it was this caliber of cast. I think all of those things to their extremes matter for good and bad in the season. Like, this is a very high caliber cost. So you have to include that. The fact that it's fewer people and the fact that it's less of the days for me

and more about like it's just such a small amount of people. Like, yes, I will talk about that when qualifying these wins. But I still think it is a win on the global stage. And obviously in this world of international survivor that we've been covering for, you know, close to a decade now, all wins are very different. You know, we talk about Australian survival winners. Chappelle, we had a conversation about David, Robin, Tony. Like, they're all playing against very different cast and very different franchises

in different amount of days and format. So in this world of international survival, we already kind of do that. I think I'll just continue to do that, but I won't be putting an asterisk. I think that if you're winning against this cast, even if you're doing it in three, four, five days is what it feels like. Like, that is valid to me.

I mean, the cast itself weighs so heavily for me that the days no matter, but also if anyone still doesn't see it, let me give you a comparison. Think of it this way. There's a 400 meter dash at the Olympics. This is 100 meter dash. It's faster, it's quicker, but it's still a medal and it's still the Olympics. So, and it's still the same people, same athletes, so it counts.

Yeah, better athletes. The best, actually, it's like really like the world championship. So I think that the cast starts to do well to weigh it back in the favor of impressiveness. So kind of on the balance of everything, I think there's a lot of validity. But we'll just kind of talk about that. The way we talk about every win, you talk about some winners like you went to tribal council fewer times. Like things like that, we'd always do this with winners. So I'm happy to kind of do that.

Should we get to the draft of me, VU, AU, the world? Absolutely. Now, Shannon, that doesn't go to work. Is it just like back and forward? Like, what are we doing? Yeah, there's going to be a wheel that Sam's going to get up for us. It's going to be Australia versus the world. It's going to choose who's first.

Okay, Shannon and the world. Okay, can you spin the wheel? Sam? Oh, we are the world. We are the world. You are the world. Children. Is it spinning or am I tripping?

It's spinning really slowly and like boltingly. Oh, is it going to be us? It's not, Shannon. Oh, wow. That's the first time I've ever on a wheel spin. Well, there you go. I can't take the pressure. I can't take the pressure. And can we get a cast list, Sam? Yeah.

Does anyone not know the cars? If anyone of our listeners doesn't know anyone in the cast, we have been doing the AU World Tour with all three of the recap bitches were a part of that. And we went through every single person on the car. So if you're wondering who is Tommy, who is Cass? Lisa Robbins. That's required listening.

Like, I, that was something that I specifically checked out before coming on here. Not only did provide such necessary information, Shannon, for this and anticipating the season. Also just like a fantastic recap is to just like some of the WTF aspects of both Survivor Quebec and Survivor Finland as well. And listen, you know, we're team subs, not dubs, but like it could be tough sometimes to find these non-English speaking seasons available in a palatable format. So I'm very happy that you were able to check this. out and summarize just how whack-a-do some of these things can be. I regretted not going on enough about the shot in the dark equivalent. Like I talked about how big was the die.

So basically, I didn't really talk about this on the podcast and then I was so angry myself after, but basically, yeah, so you have a little die. Everyone, well, you, the tribe want to die in the first challenge. And they had a one in three shots. So two sides of the die were safety. and you give up your vote. So you put your dye in the urn, and then,

which everyone is wanted from US Survivor for so long were shot in the dark, you would come up with the host whose name. I would say escapes me, but I've never known, to be honest. And he has like a dye that's like,

it's not like comically large, but it's like bigger than the little one. Maybe just like, I don't know. Like the dice you would hang from a rear view mirror. Yeah, thank you. Yes, Mike.

Thank you so much. And then you would get like a bucket and he'd put it and then you got to like shake it in the bucket and then like roll it out on the table. Why was there a bucket involved? I don't know. I think that, you know, just like, because then you can't, like, rig it. You know what I mean?

I don't know what that gesture looks like. You get a bucket. Throw it in a certain way to land a certain direction. Yeah, that was one of my favorite parts of Survivor Finland. Yeah, both seasons were wild. But I'm sure that hopefully that research will stand me in good stead for this draft. I'm going to take my current winner pick who threw all the, through the AUV world

world tour I got really high on Luke Luke is in a great spot Miles made a great case for how well Luke is going to do I think Luke has so many shields and is like willing to use shields and is super

well connected has a pre-game relationship with Kirby Sarah has played with Janine everyone likes him obviously his relationship with David David has many many connections and like is usually quite a big threat obviously but now has like

such good shields. So I think he's really well positioned and I can imagine like the home turf of an Australian winning so I'm going with Luke thought, feelings okay it's a little predictable coming from you

I mean like look I'm just going to put it out there I knew you were going to pick Luke yeah because I know you did the podcast no no because I know you and And I've watched Luke play. You know, like, I've seen, I've, I've seen all of Australian Survivor at this point, except for a little bit, the, the, the, the, the blurry parts of, uh, blood versus water. Um, yeah, which is fine.

I don't know a lot of blurry parts on Australian Survivor. They show a lot of crack. They, they show two. What? I would say, butt crack. I've seen a lot of ass. Yeah, it's a lot of, it's a lot of booty. Um, that's it.

That's it. Um, yeah, Luke is a very solid player. You know, like, Luke is always a contender. Very social. People always love to be around Luke. He's always a fun, like, story to follow as well. So it definitely felt like, okay, Shannon, knowing a lot of these players, you would know a lot of their flaws and a lot of their strong suit.

And I think he has a lot of strengths. I think he does. And so, and he's very well connected. He has played with almost, what, over a third of the cast. So I think or something like that. And so, like, yeah, I think that if anybody is protected just from preexisting relationships, it's Luke. Yeah. He is played with three of the same.

people on his car and has a relationship with Kirby who knows no one else. I think that he's one of the people that's most locked in to make the merge. And I think as you mentioned, like, if he makes it there with those people, a good amount of them are going to get picked off over him because, I mean, if he was playing this like five years ago, there's a good chance that he becomes a bigger threat than maybe the people around him and gets taken out. But you have, as you mentioned, like a David, who as we'll get into, losing. much, much larger.

You know, even some of the people that are not in his alliance, if a George or a Shawnee makes their way to the merge, there's a good chance that they're going to get picked off over a loop, forgetting the fact that,

like, this dude was a couple of clutch immunity wins away from winning the game. And, you know, he is no slouch in the challenges either from an individual perspective. He's showcased on Celebrity Big Brother that, like,

not only can he come on and sort of like play and not to say this is a brand new format for Survivor, but like sort of a shortened season and also be able to manage manage a lot of egos that come with these people that are coming in. So I do think that while it's been a while since we've seen Luke on our screen, so I guess we saw him in Traders Australia, right, Puyah.

I think that he has some really good inherent skills. And I don't know, I'm also manifesting him to do well just to see him and Tony interact. And the second they touch, like the universe is going to collapse in it on itself. I feel like that's true of so many people on this cast, though. We've said that about, and it's mostly Tony and everyone else. But, yeah, I mean, Luke prepared for his original season by watching Tony YouTube videos and then, like, quote, unquote, created the Spy Shack and Australians really thought he did. They think the Spy Shack is a Luke original.

They must be confused right now when I'm sure there'll be footage of Toadie creating the Spy Shack. Yeah, I mean, Luke was on, he won Celebrity Big Brother, which was a fan vote at the end. He beat such luminaries as Caitlin Jenna and Omarosa and Megan Markle's brother. So that's the caliber of cast. We know he can win against Cantony and Surrey. and poverty be better than that. We'll see. Do you watch Luke as in the traders

as a traitors expert? Any thoughts on Luke in 2025? You're muted. Oh, funny. His reads were there, and I feel like, you know, if you are someone that Annabelle's going to vouch for, then I trust it because I trust Annabelle's read on things.

And he was literally the only person that listened to Annabel. So being a listener, as well as good socially is always a good combination. I think also the fact that he was more prominent in the earlier era of the show was good for him because, and I'm not judging any of these seven internationals, but if any of the seven internationals

we're not really aware of Australia and Survivor, I have to imagine what's on the radar some of the more recent stuff is going to be there. Like George is going to be very prominent in whatever they've looked up and researched. Luke might be quietly like falling in the back because he's from the older era, right? And I think that's good for him for the merge scenario.

Combine that with you've already talked about his links in the existing Australia tribe. It doesn't look like he has to worry about anything. So it's a good safe pick. Everyone loves my pick. Okay. It's a safe pick. It's a safe pick. Why would you make anything other than a safe pick?

Why would someone make a dangerous pick? Why would one to put first we can do that? This draft is serpentine, right? So now we get two picks and then Shannon gets two picks? Or is it just one, one, one, one, one. I think that makes sense. I think it's a last pick. Okay, should we?

Okay, so let's hear a little bit, a little bit of how the democracy sausages get made. We did a little bit of miscerating behind the scenes once we were cool. We did. We did. Format. I mean, we all discussed our first possible two picks. Do we want to pull the cord? Do we want to make them happen?

Yeah. I think, I think we both. Yeah, let's be as dramatic as possible, though. Should we do one at a time? obviously. Yeah. Chappelle Langee. You announced this one.

You announced the first one. Well, it's only fitting that I choose because as I've been deemed, this person, I am the avatar for this person of the season. I think we're going to go with Surrey. Shannon, I don't know how you claim to be, you claim to be the biggest Surrey fan.

And yet, I don't think you've ever drafted Surrey? What do you mean? In the two opportunities I had. In the same year. But I think that she went first. Oh, well, this is actually a patron exclusive, but didn't you go first in the 50 draft?

I didn't have the first page. I mean, why would it's public now, I believe? Why wouldn't she? So here we are. I'm trying to right you're wrong. I don't know why you would want to meet her if you're not going to even draft her, but I'll talk to her about it.

We pick Serene, not you. I love not drafting my eventual best friends, Marianne. So that's kind of a right of passage. Honestly, I forgot who drafted. Wait, that was me too. Yeah, Shannon. Oh, I don't know what it is about you. And, you know, but I don't know, you're just leaving money on the table, not drafting Surrey first.

It is painful to not draft Surrey. You are right. She is there. I could draft her. You were between a rock and a hard place, though, because I feel like if you picked a non-Australian first, you would be called a traitor. Well, and I picked a traitor. I literally, you know, so I, I mean, that's not really what I was thinking about. I'm just really high on Luke's chances.

I think Surrey could do well. Thoree could also do really well. I think Surrey is a great pig. Now I'm sad. Well, because here's the thing. Like, yes, on paper, she has perhaps out of all three Americans here, like the highest reputation. Which is crazy. Yeah, because there's the other two have three wins between them.

But Surrey has one of the most consistent performances across all of Survivor at a remarkable clip. Not to mention, she was a winner on the traders. Not to mention, she made a very deep cut in Big Brother. Like, Seri is one of these people who has made a career out of being. on reality TV, much like a George as an example, much like a David. And so I think she could be much like everyone on this cost, really. But here's the

thing from my perspective, like we say this. Every goddamn season Seriz. I'm like, oh, no, but this time they're going to catch on. Her target looms too large. But when people get in the room with her, it is just this matter of like, I know

you're dangerous, but like, I'll work with you and then I'll cut you down the line. That's what happens. every single time to a T. I think, you know, we've spoken about this idea about, okay, the three Americans are going to work together and then they just have to swing one more person over. So I think Surrey is going to be very well protected for the pre-merge.

And that's the hardest part for her usually, right? Is besides actually winning the game, is like getting through that initial thing where you would say challenge strength is a indicator of who goes. It might not matter at this point because they're going to merge on like day one and a half. but Surrey is going to continue to work her magic here reputation be damned

I love you you have beautiful optimism of course there are two truisms that are about to collide in devastating fashion I'm not an optimist up for this Surrey gets screwed over

that's her thing right she's been screwed over so many times by so many twists by so many production mechanisms Australian Survivor known for the messed up twists those two truths are about to collide in something that's going to make me so angry. I can already feel it

and the season hasn't started. That's my prediction. To Mike's point, if the Americans stick together, that's three. And they only need to swing one other person. And it'd be crazy if there was a Surrey super fan on that tribe. If there was anybody who named drop Surrey

during their own season of television and who would rather be dead than to not see Surrey win this season, it's Lisa from New Zealand sorry I think the Surrey is fine for a very long time for now but you haven't heard of the most secret twist

that's ever happened where someone just gets picked to go randomly by productions and I mean it does for some reason it's Surrey you're going to see in this season those true two truths are going to end up being a lie because he's not going to let it happen

right right it's an inevitability of the universe what better season would it be for Sarie to basically break the curse except for like going up against the world and proving that like it doesn't matter if they won if they're massively popular people you look at this there are winners on here

and I'm still like Ceres better than them you know like that's crazy so this is the time yeah I think honestly one of the things I really value is because we in this day and age now we do see a lot of these players go on to try different shows and we see some of the best players

who have ever played the game they were in flop heavily in another game Seri's skill set translates and transcends every game she's placed into. Like, this isn't a matter of, oh, she makes it. She literally every game she's been put in, she's been a winner contender. And to the point where you're like, how? How can one person be so skilled at that? So I think that she's going to be completely fine here.

I think, you know, we called Luke a safe pick. I think Ceri's a safe pick to go far because when Ceres on a case, you pick her simply because she has shown time and time again outside of one rare season where she doesn't make it far. Every other season, she's endgame material every time. Yeah. Not to mention. So actually, at the time we're recording this, Dalton Ross put out a little bit of a tidbit with Surrey where she responds to JLP, you know, getting fired after this season. And she said that in anticipation for this, she got a VPN and she was binging Australian survivor like nobody's business. And so if there was also anything that comes with the world tribe of like, okay, do they

know the games of any of these players? I think Surrey would be quite familiar with at least a few of them and we'll be able to incorporate that into her own game. I'm also for many reasons, very intrigued to see whatever happens to Surrey on Australia versus the world and how that is going to affect her on 50, which is still an absolutely wild thing we need to think

about that Surrey feels is going to be playing two Survivor seasons over the next year. Yeah, three is a great pick, obviously you know, I just, I'm scared. I'd rather lose the draft than you guys be right, but I just don't want to jinx her with my

incredible incredibly bad draft record right and then I'm the reason she got screwed over by a twist I can't even fathom yet so you guys take her and then it's not my fault if it doesn't go well but you have another pick yeah so can I announce this one then? Go ahead

did you guys talk about this beforehand or you're just allowing yourself each other to do it. We're in sync okay we got this whole thing you got Mojo you're a professor you toned you brought the recap bitches together now we're a well-oiled machine yeah you're mind reading this one fair so listen I'm gonna I'm gonna kind of copy what my guy Chappelle did and say

I was told I embodied this person when you had to make the picks Parvety shallow welcome to the team the world is just getting a nicer bigger better over here with Parvity on the team yeah that was my next pick nice guys finished first hopefully in this draft yeah yeah that's a great pick that's a great pick because she's well connected and I'm pretty sure it's possible to David's playing for her to win. So that's two people out of 14 that are playing for Pardy's victory.

So that's a very good pick. Yeah. I mean, the thing for me with Pardy is that, you know, obviously we've gotten a lot more introspection into her own, you know, journey that she's gone through in her new book. And she didn't mention that Winners of War in particular, like it was kind of a weird headspace for her. She just left her child behind.

I think that Pardy has seen so much clarity in the past few years with all the shows that she's, done with all the life changes that she has made. And so I really do think she is like raring to go. I mean, when I spoke with her in her Dondy exit interview, I asked her, I like, can you tease a little bit? And she's like, this is like, uh, you know, a new form of me. And that makes me incredibly excited because she obviously has the connection with

Cerey. She has the connection with David should emerge happen and they both make it. And I do feel like, yes, her legend looms large, but I actually think out of the three Americans, she has like the least notoriety to her name. And that's damning with faint praise, but like, considering that Tony won the game twice and Surrey, again, consistently continues to do well. Parvety could just say like, yeah, but the last time I was on here, I got voted out like in the fifth episode and spent most of my time on the edge of extension.

Look at me. I flopped in traitors. What do you think that I'm going to do? And not to mention as well, like, somebody's got to win these individual immunity challenges. And Parvety, you know, while it is a little bit of older cast and she's older, like, she kept up such a good thickness regimen that especially with those Australian Survivor challenges, which are so endurance coded,

I could see her do really well there. Yeah. And if you let her loose, I mean, we still have looming large over every season of reality TV, the dreaded women's alliance, right? The Black Widow Brigade. And if somehow property's at the merge, and she's talking to Sarah

or Shawnee, Geneet, Kirby, all of these women would be like, yeah, let's do it. You know, like, I don't think any of them would be like, oh, no, I would never work of poverty. No, I think this is the type of women that she could bring together and really create like a massive alliance if she is able to get there and make it happen. So I think this is a great pick. It could have been at first pick. I wouldn't have been shocked if poverty it went first. But I'm so happy that we were the ones who got.

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I think that, you know, Sarah will be fan-girling. had a clip where she's like, I don't know anything about Survivor, but I've heard poverty is great. Like, that was a, there was a clip on the Survivor social media. I think Cass would be into it. Like, I really love poverty in that mentor role. Now that she's been playing Survivor for, what, 20-ish

years, she, you know, is now like, oh, Shawnee, you have a small child. I also went out and played the game when I had, like, a tiny baby. Let me, like, put you through how difficult that is. Like, Sarah, I was around your age, actually quite a lot younger, I guess, at this

point. But like, you know, when I first played, like she can see herself in these young women, kind of the way she mentored Michelle. And I feel like Cass, Sarah, Shawnee, possibly Kirby. She obviously has three. I think Leith would be into it. Like, I definitely see it. In this female majority cast,

like, I think it's going to be like a, it's going to make the Black Widder brigade look like nothing. Like, it's going to be the biggest spider you've ever seen, which is so apt for Australia. You know that the spiders are bigger in Australia? Like, that's literally perfect. and they're terrifying, and they are here all the time.

There are someone outside my window right now. Actually, we need a call an exterminator, but not for poverty who is going to have Australian-level spider, Blackwood Rape. That's what I think. Is that it? No, I mean, we can keep talking, but... Yeah, it's true.

That's just truism. It's parv. Like, we can keep talking about her, but no, she's going to do... She's great, and I think, and I'm hoping she does really great. And I feel like the last couple of shows I've seen on the Warren Survivor in Dondy, you saw her clock someone and then that person proceed to work with her

as opposed to want to get her out and I think that's a testament to how she plays I think on traitors you couldn't have drawn a worse hand for a starting game there but she makes peace with the rivalry she had there with Sandra and then proceeds to play

from a losing position and the rest of the way and still makes it a lot further than she probably should have so all right that's a very good pick that was going to be my next pick devastating,

looking at your team. I will go with one of the spiders. I will go with Sarah, who my concern for some of these like, quote unquote, smaller players is like how much they can up their reputation in a short amount of time. But Sarah is,

like Sarah is a predictable pig usually for what we say about like regular all-star seasons, right? Like all of these other people will be taken out in a bloodbath and Sarah will be underrated and make it through to the end. Like, before they went out to play, Sarah was my winner pick.

But that has become more and more concerning for me in terms of just like insane reputation of this cast. But I still think Sarah is a good pick and people don't remember. I mean, she's had, she played the longest time ago, right? She actually is not a career reality TV person,

which is an anomaly of this season. So she's a little bit of an unknown to some people and I think maybe them be caught unaware by the fact that she's really good. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I picked Sarah as my, my winner pick back in like Australian Survivor's season too, especially because, yes, the mold had not necessarily been built yet as you talk

about Chen and the parabolic woman, but like Sarah's career, I think, had her interfacing with so many different personality types. You know, she seemed very athletic as well. And again, she had a really deep cut in the game. We're not her helping alongside Luke pulling off this wild three to two to two mood. And Michelle Dugan getting real pissy about it. She could have made it further into that season. I think my only sticking point is why you make.

mentioned before. I will just call out right now, which is the meta of Australian Survivor, Australia versus the world. I believe fundamentally, no matter what the piece of criteria is for voting for a winner, it will always kind of lie at the core of like, who do you feel of the options best about as the winner to represent this season? And I do think given, A, the magnanimity of this concept and B, the fact that there are so many legendary players on both tribes being brought back, if you are someone like a Sarah who we love, but certainly from like a spotlight perspective, pales in comparison to some of the other people, even on her own tribe,

if you're sitting at the end with one of the lions, it's going to be really tough to make an argument, in my opinion. You will have had to have played circles around these people and be able to couch that argument to this jury to have these returning players believe like, yep, you definitely deserve it over the fact that these legends who had such big targets on their backs made it to the end again.

So I have, like, in a vacuum, I would always back Sarah as a survivor player. And I think she has the skills, especially this time, to do really well. I just really unfortunately see an outcome already where she makes to the final three, final two. And it's like, you played a really impressive game, but you got there with Luke.

and I have to give it to leave for getting to the end. It is concerning. She'd have to play out of her skin, but that's what we're, that's what we're betting on right now. So, yeah. Yeah, I enjoy watching Sarah. I enjoy watching her play.

I'm very excited to see her back. But yeah, even if I'm on like her starting tribe, let's say I'm trying to keep the tribe strong, then I'm probably not going to go straight after David or Luke, but I might want to weaken them. And if that's the case, then I think Sarah's probably somebody who's easy pickings for something like that. Who's weakening them?

I mean, I mean, they're aligned with everyone. I mean, that's the thing. You have to take shots at someone has to go home, Janet. It has to happen. Yeah, it's not from the day contingent. No one's weakening that. That's just a very strong detain.

I mean, unless you just think it's going to be like a straight off George Johnny Kirby, you know, boo-list, I mean, those people also have things in their arsenal that can help, you know, idols and things of that nature. And I do think that if they're going to try to keep the tribe strong, I think she could be somebody who they are who will be a, like, a victim to something like that. If anything, if George has an idol, he's going straight for David. Like Sarah, I think it could actually be like a good conduit in these groups. I think she get on really well with George and Shawnee and Kobe.

I think she gets on really well with everyone. I think she gets along with everybody. Malleable, yeah. So I don't think that she is the one getting shots. Like I think that if there's any type of war, I think she's on a side that's winning. And if that side is losing, I don't think they're losing her. I think she's fine early. My biggest concern is, yes, if you're sitting next to it, you know, David, Johnny, Surrey,

parvy, Tony, whatever. That she wins. Possibly not. but she's my draft pick now so yeah should I do my other pick absolutely

I took a hyena I will take a lion I've called this man the nexus of the season he is so insanely well connected that it's absurd his island wife

poverty on the other tribe who's connected to Surrey his best friend in Luke let alone Janine let alone his pregame relationship with Sarah from before he even played the first time he's so well connected

and it's David. David is my pick now can David win when that's so obvious and he just won $9 million and like he's the main character in this cast I truly believe that David is the main character which is a very very high bar he's probably about to go host the show he's going to do well enough to host the show

I mean if he wins again that'd be a pretty good intro to probably hosting the show and I've seen I've seen him win with a massive reputation before and he's so well connected now, it would be absurd because how did you let that happen? And yet, crazy things have happened. So I'm going to pick David.

I actually don't think crazier things have happened. I think that if you let David win this game, that is insane. And I don't think he's, I don't think he's somebody that you can actually stop if he wants to. Like I think that once he starts going downhill, kind of like Tony, he gets momentum, he gets advantages and all this other stuff. David's going to be hard to catch. It's going to be impossible to catch up to him.

and you don't want to sit next to him at the end. He's incredibly charming. He's good at challenges. He's probably going to find an advantage too. So you've got to get him out relatively early. I think he's the main character. But Shannon, I think that that's probably, that's like a double-edged sword. Like, yeah, these people are all connected to him.

But they also all know that he is the one that they should be worried about. He is the Beyonce of the group. And it would be crazy to allow that to stick around for so long. They're even his closest allies. Luke, Sarah, they should be talking like, hey, if we're going to, to pull this out. We got to get rid of David. There's no way Luke won't know about the Parvety connection. People are going to know. They didn't watch Johnny, but he's not, it's not like it's not going to go to his allies and tell them like, hey, once we get over there, I got good,

like, things are going to come out. And I think that it's going to be very clear that he should be targeted. And I don't think it's going to be hard to get numbers against somebody like David. I think even the people closest to him, he's not a, he's not a lion. He is a wolf. And like, that's the thing. Like, you see him. And you're like, that guy is going to win if we don't get him out. And although they got away with it the first. He got away with it in All-Stars. They didn't know. They had just seen him go out.

They were like, okay, this man is good. No, they should have known. Yeah, they did see him, to be fair, dupe, fake idol swap and get voted out with an idol in his pocket. They saw him get voted out with an idol in his pocket. I was there. Okay, it was, I wasn't there, but I was, I was, it was absurd. The biggest name coming into, when they went out to All-Stars

was the week before David was voted out of the show. The biggest name in Australian Survivor at that time was a man who would even popcorn off the floor, made a fake idol, like he's done so many things. He should have been the first boot. It was absurd that he won. There were winners playing, Shannon.

And he was still a big threat that people, like you said, should have called out. These people are not going to miss that because they've already, some of them lost in that very game. Like, they're not going to do it twice. So I am, I am,

I am David, probably one of his biggest fans, you know, just from my, like, Dombie time and all that kind of stuff. But it would be, to me, like, he is going to have to work some magic to make this happen. Don't get me wrong. I would love to see it.

Because after, like, Survivor aside, the things that he was able to do on Dondy, and that last episode of Dondy shows you that there is magic in this man. It's magic. Yeah. Yeah. So I could see him going far, but also these people would be wild to let that happen. Yeah. Go ahead.

I mean, I just, I echo everything that's been said. I think Dondy reminds you that, you know, David was a very fun character on television, and I'm glad Dondy brings him back into the fold. Obviously, before A.U. versus the world gets to happen. My thing, though, Shannon,

is you're touting him as like the poster for the season. I definitely do see it, but also the feeling I have with posters on an all-star returney season is when they're really good player, yeah, they're going to be looked at immediately emerge, like immediately emerge. So for me,

David is someone who I think obviously he gets to the end hard to not give him the money hard to not vote him but he has to get there and I just feel like he is tall he is big he's gonna not be able to hide no one's gonna he they're gonna see him coming they're gonna he's always gonna be the person like the elephant in the room he's there he's just always there they're gonna know to get rid of them at least that's the read I have on it yeah I mean I think Chappelle brought up a good point that I absolutely agree with you Shannon that it was wild concerning what these cast members just saw of David on AllStars before going on. But they also saw that, like, David did get his hand caught in the cookie jar a little bit, to quote.

Well, that was a different winner. That was a whole thing. I mean, obviously, they didn't know that he was voted out with an idol. But, like, I think their image of David was like, okay, he plays hard. I don't know, like, how well he plays. Like, he plays very openly. And so I think he was still able to, like, really. overcome that and be able to work in

certain ways. I think also like he has talked up the fact that he was basically a completely different person at camp than he was in the confessionals. And I think like that really endeared him to a lot of people. It's going to be a little different here because as was mentioned they know the score with David.

Obviously they will not have seen Dondy but again if and when the information gets out of what he was able to do. I mean again he was able to pull that off in Dondy especially where he didn't reveal anything about his reality TV history and he was just playing him up as like Yeah, I'm just like the cool Australian dad. I do not think the act will necessarily work here,

but let's make one thing clear. The longer this guy is on our screens, the better. In a cast full of like absolute beautiful masterpieces of confessionalists, like I don't know, he might be like the George Sorat where he just dots all these fantastic references and energies about him to make these fantastic soundbys. He knows what AU is going to provide. And so whether he lasts one episode,

or 15, they're going to go to him as much as possible. Yeah, this is probably more of a question for Isle look. But my question is, does he have highlights? And if he does, are those news since he played Dondy like a week ago? And also, if he wins, that's a crazy like two months of work for him. Because that would be, you just came off $29 million in Dondy when he filmed this. But, yeah, those new highlights about he didn't have highlights, did he in Dondy? You're the Dondy expert.

I am the Dondy expert, but I can't lie and say I cared about his hair and how it looked at the time. I get it. I never don't notice when people have nipple tattoos. yeah okay so yeah so yeah I don't know I mean look the man is a showman the fact that you would even consider like that he between the typing of Dondy

and this he went and got highlights and you know he's bringing that leather jacket that's why this man is great TV he's electric as a player and as a showman and so I would love to see him go far I just think it would be very tough to pull the wool over these people's eyes again

you know what I think it is you remember when you had those braids and they were like a crime against nature and I was like, I can't look at him until, because he was in, what, what do they call? It's not the temple. Is it the temple? It's not like the turret. I'm like,

yeah, I've watched so much of TV lately. When I was 10, I went to Fiji, and I got my hair braided and then like the sun died, the bottom half of my hair that wasn't braided. And so the bottom half of my hair was blonde and then I had to cut it all off. Maybe that's what happened to David. Maybe like the hair,

maybe because of the braids, they got dyed blonde. No, no, it's definitely. I mean, I'm not looking in photos of him on. It was blonde all the way down. It was blonde and dondy? It was blondie and dandy.

But it wasn't as blondey. It was blonde. But it wasn't as dark. There's not dark at the top. Yeah, it was like, it was all blonde. He was like Fabio. There's no way I watched that whole season, didn't notice that he was blonde.

The whole time. I meant to be working in the hair industry. A little did I. Anyway, okay, well, you learn something new every day. It looks like this is the day we got. This is the day we got. This is the day we're going to get. Okay.

Well, blonde David is my pick. And now you have two picks. Give them to me. Oh, God. Are you mugging us right now? Give them to me. Do the big. Just so good.

All right. So let's go with first one here. Listen, we picked two world, two true blood Americans. Oh, my God. I've done a whole Australia try. I didn't even, not on purpose. I was going to do how we're going to be the first to cross streams here, Shading Gus, on this multicultural.

Did you guys hold about the full band? How are you doing this? I thought you have a chat without me? No. No. Good. We're just mind melding right now. Yeah.

Good. And I think the people that the person we should pick next is an Australian that, look, could certainly be regarded as a hyena. It's someone who certainly looms large and does well in every season that they're in. But I can't get enough shontent in my life. So clip in fellas. We're picking Shani I love our team We didn't have to talk about this beforehand

Because Shannon, how is this not the most obvious pick on the boy? What are you talking about? Shawnee is an enemy possibly of the person I just called a main character Chani is a queen of this entire franchise Okay

I'm not saying that's not true I told you I remember when I discovered her as one of the first people to ever watch Australian Survivor and notice this woman Yeah, that was originally When did you, what year was this that you were watching? It was definitely last year. It was last year.

Oh my God. It was definitely last year. So Chappelle came six years late to the party and then tweeted like. Three seconds of that lady. It was like, who is this? Why is she not? Do y'all like her? And the world responded.

Not A.U. versus the world. But everybody responded was like, you don't understand what you just did. You just opened the Shawnee, the Seanverse or whatever they called it. And I was like, oh, my God, like everyone's here. She's great. She's great TV. She's a great game player. She's like, she finds advantages.

What is not to like about Shania? Yes. What is not to like? Her position in this tribe, her connections compared to the crazy connections I see on the row below her here. I mean, Shawnee is playing with George, who just voted her out. And then David, who she worked against. And those are her, in all of her many, many. many games, those are somehow, those are her game connections.

I think she'll get on with people because that's what Shawnee does. But I just think that it's not necessarily her cast. I think she'd get on well with poverty if she gets there. I think that she'd get on with cast if she gets there. I see all those things. I'm just like, this is not positioned as well for me as you would think someone like Shawnee would be considering she played many games and made many positive relationships. You're telling me that, like me personally, I think that this is

a good cast for her. And it all comes down to this. I agree with what you said about her having some good allies waiting for her on the other side that she could link up with. But you just mentioned George and David. Arguably two of the biggest names in your franchise.

George being one of the more recent big names. That man is not going to get one over Shawnee here. Oh, no. I think she's going to get her revenge of media. Of course. She could easily join in on a vote against George. I think, you know, we can certainly talk about a vote against Kirby.

And again, if this pre-merge is like two days, or if they only lose one challenge, if any, in the pre-merge, then she's made the merge. And we know what Shawnee can do when the merge hits. Not to mention, again, you know, it's a little bit of like the most recent time that we saw her was her worst placement where she gets blindsided with an idol in her pocket. So it also, if there is any sort of like gleam on her reputation,

it's not certainly shining as bright as some of the people around her, which is to their folly because, again, I have spoken about this many times in the past. I cannot think of a survivor player in franchise history who has been able to have the social game told more in her story than Shawnee. They've shown so many scenes through the years of her just like sitting down and pretending to be interested in someone's birdwatching hobby and be like, all right, I'm going to weaponize this later on.

And she was able to. And look, it's going to be tough in a cast like this that will probably be clocking it from her. But I do think that, you know, much like, we talked about with Surrey we're going to try to manifest this year that arguably alongside George one of the best players to never win Australian Survivor so far the fourth time might be the charm. Yeah it is funny because I feel like Shawnee's relationship with Survivor is they just keep calling her and she's like

very lukewarm on Survivor. Do you know what I mean? Like I feel like that dating relationship is she is like the settler and Australian Survivor is the Rache constantly being like I think I'm getting like all of these how much of mother clips and it's like trying to get me to watch how much your mother on Instagram. Anyway, so I'm like now in my references. But I do feel like, yeah, Seanie, has shot, does Shawnee watch the season she's not on? The very few seasons she's not on? Like, I don't think so.

Does she know these people that she didn't play with? I don't think so. But Shawnee learns on the fly. And she literally said on Instagram, she's like, I go out there to get paid. It's a job for me. And it's a job she does well. So I think it's a fine pick. But yeah, I'd be higher on Shawnee if there wasn't like such a David-dominated cast for me.

But she's good. here's my my counter to that like if she let's let's follow the the world where she doesn't or doesn't really know these people because she's not really watching seasons outside of the season she lives because she's not on them she doesn't mind i think that shani is someone who plays a very willingly open game that it's almost better that she's not scared of anyone else's prowess or what they're capable of because she just needs them as regular people and i think that's good if she's going to soul read somebody and be like i just vibe with them and that's good enough for me to want to work with them that's great i think that goes a long way um and again she's bubbly socially bubbly like if you're socially bubbly i will follow you to the ends of the earth easy yeah she's not going to be held back by like her nerves and meeting serene poverty you know what i mean it's like very much like nice to meet you who are you so i'm excited to see those conversations happen do you have another pick now yes who is your mike's gonna make this pick oh you want me to do it okay yeah i'd like to think that the shawnee pick was like all three of us, like, mind meld same pick.

Yeah, this one is a mic, Mike one. All right. Then, uh, you know, it might be decision you regret fellas, but like, how can I not? Shannon, you know how much I love Survivor South Africa. How can I not pick Rob Bentelais here? So, Chappelle, I know that you have been recently making your way through Survivor, South Africa. Have you gone to Rob's season yet?

I started with Rob's season. I love this man. I'm so happy me on our team. I love it. No, it was great. It was a great. It was a great decision. I totally enjoyed this season. My guy is so social. He's so good at just locking people into his web of just like, no, we're a family. We're good at this.

We're going to take this today. And I think a lot of people, you know, especially the world will be looking for that kind of energy. They're going to be wanting to lock down, you know, some type of alliance that they can trust against this big massive group of Australians. And I think that Rob's the perfect person. to leave him, he's a challenged beast.

Okay? And then I think if he sits at the index to somebody, he will be looked at as a lion. I don't think that people are going to look at him and be like, oh, he's from the place where lions live, yeah. Exactly. Mike. My lions live. I love this. I love this pick, Mike.

This is great. For me, again, I have said it up and down. I'll continue to say that I believe Rob Bentley played the best single season game of Survivor I have ever seen, considering that he had to content with so many idols and advantages going his way

and was able to literally weaponize the titular twist of the season. He is not going to run into a group that is certainly as loyal as the amigos here. I think that is the biggest sticking point for Rob is that he was very much able to corral this group around this idea of a shared morality,

shared set of values. This is going to be a much sharkier cast by comparison. The thing that's so interesting about Rob to me though, he is a bigger guy compared to a David, compared to a Luke. He's right up there. But the thing about Rob that he's got this very soft way of speaking and he's got these very kind eyes

and that's one of the many reasons why you get sucked into the Rob Riz and so I think that especially in comparison to these big brash personalities that are going to exist coming from these alpha males he's not going to come across as like the capital A alpha male that will probably get picked off at the early merge ordinarily

but he still has the skill set to be able to make these subtle manipulations and I think especially figure out who are the biggest obstacles to my game and how do I dismantle them. I think that was one of the best tenets of Rob's game in general was he had this majority

and he was able to figure out like, who are the problem people and how do I sort of poke out the janga pieces in a certain way to make sure it doesn't all topple down. I think especially given the shortened cast this could be another way for him to do so. You do know that like on the mat day one JLP's like Rob, you played one of the most

dominant games and survivor history. I think that's like no one will know, but they'll know that. They'll also look at him with their eyes and things will become obvious. So that he's such an like aesthetic threat and a genuine threat without the connections to necessarily protect him.

But I do think that he will, like if he can make it to the David's and the loops, I kind of think that like he and David I could see getting on and having that like mutual respect. And he is just like like a spiderman meme pointing at each other. Yeah, well, Lou and Tony with the three best games, as we said. Chappelle and I spoke about with that nine months of like,

is it just because I started podcasting a couple of years ago and I'm looking into this deeper or like these are three best games in Global Survivor history. It's so insane to have all three of them on the season. But yeah, I think that there will be a mutual respect there with Rob. And yeah, he's an incredible player. So he has the skills. Like many of these people, to be fair, but he is phenomenal.

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I'm very happy with the picks. It's a very rudible team. Yeah, I've also watched Rob's game. I remember being very fond of his game, very fond of that season. It admittedly has been a many a year and many a shows since. So it's a little foggy to my memory,

but just hearing these two talk about him, I'm being reminded of Rob again. I also think Rob would be the one most likely, because again, he came up with an advantage to try to dissuade people from turning on him. I can imagine being like, I just found a scroll. There's a new twist tonight where we have to vote three people

off. Here's what we have to do. Just concocted an entire person. Yeah, round a fake advantage just to show the pecking order to other people. Well, yeah, uh, Surrey would be the one to get screwed by Rob's fake advantage. Wait, no, why are you adding this into the game? I'm making it up. No, oh, definitely. Actually, if that's what

a strand survival would do. Okay. I think I'll take my picks now and I feel like I have not picked someone from the world tribe and I will continue to stay Australia strong, I think because I'm very high on many people in the world tribe. Tony already is there. He's one of my favorite players of all time. I love Lisa.

I just watched so much of Tommy and Cass and I think they're great. However, they're just so, Tony's Tony. We'll talk about Tony. Tony's like, you know, I'll underestimate her you're in peril and yet I continue to. And then the others are just so disconnected in a way the Australians are not. And for that reason, I will pick Kirby.

Kirby comes off, you know, the most recent Australian five a season that everyone will have seen. She's less experienced in many of these, you know, career reality TV contestants. But I think she probably learned some lessons. She has some innate skills and made some, you know, confusing decisions. And she was playing with house money. And she could recover from that. She made it incredibly far. She's incredibly physical.

She's charming AF. Everyone loves her. I think she'll take some people by surprise. She is connected to Luke. Will she know these people know? But the Luke connection is important because he is so, so connected. And Kobe just has great skills for the game. And I think more people will know of her, maybe not the other way around.

More people will know of her than like the Tommy's and the cast. And I think that will stand her in good stead. So she is my next pick. Yeah, I look, I think. I think that Kirby is going to have my surre assessment tested here of like, can she make it happen again? Because what she did that first time was bananas. There were so many times when we're like, why are you doing this?

How are you able to pull this off? Surely this is going to get you in trouble. And it only really did towards the end when she basically had to win out in the time that she didn't. She was eliminated. And I don't think she's like completely dead in the water here. think that yes, she's disconnected and her reputation precedes her. But the thing about disconnected players in all-star seasons is like, it really can be a double-edged sword where they can be the ones that are easily cast out because it's like, you know, it's like Randy Bailey

and Heroes versus Villains where it's like you have no one connected to your tribe. Let's get rid of you. Or it could be if this tribe has bad blood, Kirby could suddenly be a number that you could scoop up, right? It could sort of be a neutral party that you don't know from a hole in the wall. but at least you're it's not a completely negative reputation and that is very much a like underestimate her at your own peril because as you mentioned she has no slouch physically she can charm the pants off of you and strategically she was able to plan some of these again completely wild moves that should not have worked 99 out of a hundred times but she was able to make that happen she sucks up the game like the pink puff ball of the same name and hopefully that's going to transform her into some something really fun. Yeah, and she is more of a hyena compared to this cast. I mean, she only just started playing reality TV, like within the year, you know,

compared to everyone else. However, she's that recent on Australian Survivor, which people, presumably some of them watched, a couple of them may have watched, maybe. And I think that the recency of that is like, if she goes far again, you're like, wow, this is impressive. You did this twice in a year. So I think that that could be good against some of the other bigger names. Yeah, I mean, she was amazing.

The main character, arguably, of Titans versus Rebels. Like, I think that's maybe what the hyena perspective means. It's less so about, like, were you the winner? Were you a dominant player? It's more so like, were you the star of your season? And she 100% was. I also, for a long time, I've been trying to cause the divorce of Puyer and Liana because I think that their draft group is unfair from an ally perspective.

And I'm just imagining the conversation after this, where Liana's like, did you get Kirby? And Puyah was like, oh, no, we did it. And Liana's like, why? and he's like, well, it's not my fault. I was a mind melding with my team and they made the decision. And she's like, no, you had the power to do that. And then they have a big fight.

Maybe the end of that relationship happened. So there's a larger draft strategy around that that I've been working on for a very long time. Hey, well, did you get Kirby? No, we did get Surrey, Parvite, and Shine. Wow. Shannon, let you have them. Yes. No, she'll be mad about Kirby.

I think I know Leana better than you do. We're about to renew our vows over this, Shannon. And I think of the Straths podcast. No, I don't think so. I say I would text her, but my texts aren't getting through to her. So I'll just have to take your word for it. But there's trouble in paradise. I think that she's going to be pretty upset.

So I took Kirby. Any other thoughts on Kirby? Oh, yeah. I worry for, listen. Oh, you worry for Volian. Are you hearing this? Okay, it's fine. As someone who has said and still

maintains that Titans versus Rebels is my favorite survivor season of all time. Yeah. No contest. Um, I worry for Kirby because Kirby arguably has the most recent record here. The most recent record on display. So I worry for her in that regard where a lot of these other people like, you know, I'm sitting here talking about how yeah, Rob, I remember. I loved him watching him.

I don't remember him as much now. You're going to remember Kirby's because it was like the last one that happened for, for these people. They kind of know of it, but they didn't watch it. How do you know this? Okay, George watched it because we covered on talking tribal together. Did Shawnee watch it? I know for, in fact, I remember her posing that she was watching Married at first.

I'm sure that she, yeah, so Johnny did it. I think he was having a kid and every, so Shawnee didn't watch. Sarah probably watched. Janine, did Luke probably watch? I mean, that's his friend. The thing is, though, from a world perspective, if you're saying, oh, I better binge Australian Survivor. I'll just start with the most recent season.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And it's a fun watch. To me, Kirby's a great pig. Kirby's like a wrecking ball sometime. But Kirby's, it's because Kirby has that same magic I think that David has, where it's like, you think these things aren't possible. And then Kirby does it. You like, damn, how did you do that? And then you also are like, but it would be crazy for me to let you get to the end. My favorite moment of type of be rebels is when Kirby's like, well, I guess I just have to win the next five challenges. And then she goes on the window at three. I was like, wait a minute. You know, like, this is not, that's unheard of. She called her a shot. But that's a, that's a Kirby. So, no, I agree that Kirby should be on our team, but I'm happy that you got something. Yeah. Thank you. Kirby, like, has that aura. Unfortunately, also a lot of people in this past, do.

And that's why we won't be qualifying it that hard. If he was painting this cast, it would be a whole rainbow. Mm-hmm. Sure. I'll stick with the Australia tribe. I'm going to take Janine. Janine is the godmother. I love Janine.

and she does have the issue where I think David might be coming for her but like if someone's coming for David who might win it could be Janine she's well connected in this cast she's so cool and I think the thing with Janine and I don't know if we talked about this

on the Janine podcast but like it's hard for Janine Twin Survivor because she's very wealthy but how much money are they winning in the season we still don't know have they ever announced how much money they're winning in this season? Is there any money? Is it just like is there a prize or are they just getting paid in appearance actually? We're all going to go

pass a hat around. We're all going to collect $100,000 from you. From David especially. I think that is, like, is how much money are we winning? How do we not know that yet? Anyway, Janine, of all the seasons, we don't know how much money they're winning. And also I think that it will

be like, it's not about the money. Like, you win the title of AUV world. And Janine has a big reputation just in life. I think that she could be a lion from that perspective. And I think people forget, as Puyah's saying, because it was kind of a long time ago the way Janine played and the respect that she commanded.

Now we've said that if she wins, it'll be probably a kind of stagnant, boring season because that's Janine, like, you know, she kind of ruled with an eye and fist. And I think that that's amazing for her. And I can see it happening. So I'm going to take Janine here at this pick. Um, I think this is the first time in the draft that I felt like you stole a pick from us.

That's the first time I felt that way. Um, yeah. Um, yeah. Yeah. So I did message Leanna. I said, babe. So if I told you that Shannon drafted Kirby, and I couldn't get her, but I have Parvity, Shani, and Surrey on my team. How would you respond to that?

She replied, and I'm quoting, oh, yeah, that's fine. L-O-L. I said, okay, is that your official response? And she said, yes. Huh. I don't believe you. Marriage saved. Wow, you guys are stronger than I thought.

That's fine. I just have to work hard. I'll get it done. We'll see. I'll get you next time, my pretty good. That's fine. I'm willing to go to the ends of the earth. this. So it's not fair that they

get to be a couple in the, whatever. They clearly have an alliance. Either they have to get divorced or I have to marry one of the drafted. So I'm just saying. Okay. Hold on. And I don't want to have to do that. I'll take Peter. We'll talk.

Okay. So anyway. You'll marry Peter. That's not going to help me. It doesn't really make any sense. I don't know what to say you. I don't know. Listen, are you open to a third? You're saying that Peter will be available after. There are three. Nobody said there can't be three of them. Anyway, so here's my thing.

I think that Janine has a really good chance in this in this game. I think that if she gets to the end, it will be a respected person. Like a respected win. I think they're like she sits there and I think the like, depending on how many of these Aussies make the jury and who knows how big the jury is, but there are a lot of them. And they can probably all be on the jury. We talk about that. Maybe JLP says out of the matter like, good news.

You've all made the jury. They should like, I usually hate that. I mean, before we came on, you compared the schedule to Celebrity Big Brother, and that's what they did. Every single person was on the jury. Honestly, it wouldn't be the most unheard of thing. Like, it's not that many of them. So what do you cut two, three people and be like, all right, this is a jury? Like, what?

Yeah, I agree. Whatever. So, but, like, that's what I'm saying. Like, the Aussies are not going to have any issues voting for Janine. I think she's like almost like an icon in Australia. I think that, like, if she makes it to the end, it's going to be incredible to see because, you know, like, she's a, what is, is she the oldest person on the cast. Yeah, and so it's like, but she's like the money, I don't think it matters.

I think she, the fact that she would even take the time to come out here and be bothered with this game, it goes to show you that it's bigger than the money. It's about the competitive nature of Janine. And I don't, I don't think I would write her off at all. Puyah's right. I think that like this is a steal. I think we would, we definitely were going to pick her if we could have because I could just see it now.

Sitting next to a bunch of these people, I could see Janine as a winner contender, even though she might not be the biggest lion amongst them. Yeah, I mean, I think that, like, if for some reason we forecast something where, you know, the quartet that's on that second row there makes it to the merge, like, David's probably going first, maybe Luke

goes second in terms of the pecking order. I don't know, then between like Sarah and Janine, Janine probably has, and this is the thing that Janine brings that I'm really excited about. I was like, she brings authority to the game. And I think that's just because of like the natural leadership sense that she has in life. She has played probably the least

amount compared to everybody else on this season, let alone on the Australia tribe, but because she is so, you know, renowned in her business, like, she still walks with that heft to her. I mean, listen, look at the celebrity apprentice where David was a contestant, and Janine was an advisor. She was on the other side of that table adjudicating this man and his efforts. What if this season's for charity? Wouldn't that be wild?

Why do we not know how much money that we? winning. They should tell us how much. Do you think it's a really small amount of money? I don't know. Like, I'm sure, like, you give them an appearance fee and do, and then make it for charity. I don't know. This is tough because, because, well, I mean, here's a thing. Some of them have never seen the amount of money that some of them have won. You know, like, uh, like, you, like, you don't really have to make the, the pot that sweet for some of these people because their seasons were playing for pennies, compared to, like, some of these other seasons. I mean, Tony won two million dollars in one season. Uh, so.

$9 million, but then Tommy had the chance to win 30,000 euros and didn't. So, yeah, so what do you do? Do you make it two mill? Do you say, like, no, it's not too not. For two weeks, that'd be crazy. We don't have that money at Channel 10, okay? Everyone's getting quiet. So it's kind of like, are you like Tony and Parvety are performing, like, are doing this for

500K? Like, like, where are we doing? I think everyone should have to put a percentage of their winnings. Oh. Up from reality TV. So you're basically already like a tax system. Tax bracket. Yeah, like if you haven't won anything, you don't have to put in money.

But if you want, you know, 3 million Tony's won, 9 million Davids want, poverty's won a mill, Ceres won some. I think if you've won a small amount of money and Luke they raise the money, then I think that you put in a percentage from like a tax. Is this good? Is this good? Is this economics? I don't know. What were we saying about Janine, though? Oh, if Janine wins, free boost juices for everyone, I think in Australia.

Do you think she does? I think so. I think it's like free boost day. for everyone. I think that would be cool. I was very surprised in her first season that she did not get a sponsorship in there. I have to imagine she's going to try to.

Maybe she is. I don't know if they're doing reward challenges on this season. Like, I don't know if they're going the whole new era round. They're like, you're only playing for two weeks, so no food from beginning to end. But maybe it's no food,

but they can only subsist on boost juice for the entirety of the season. Can you imagine how weird it would seem if it was like, okay, the sponsor is boost juice. You can go to the boost reward. People would be like, wait, she's literally bought the season.

That's concerning. Like, what? Rigged. Yeah. I think that I think Janine is a good pick. She was very physical as well. I think people kind of forget that about Janine.

I like this pick. No, she's in great shape for, especially for like 59 years old. Like, she can whip the tail off of some of these kids. Yeah. I think this is, this is, and you say that she hasn't played as much. She's played as much as like a Kobe, a Sarah. cast Tommy Lisa Robb

that's most of the cast so. Yeah, I guess I meant like so long ago and being so detached from, you know, as we talked about before with Luke, like technically it's weird to say, but like she played in the first half of Survivor A.U's modern run. The first dearer.

Yeah. And she's been on TV a lot. She's just usually like a judge. Like it's crazy that she like debases herself to play Survivor for us. We're all very, very lucky that Janine Alice has cared to do this two different time. wonderful um who else are you guys going to pick do you want to do your mind melding thing right now um i think we could probably all agree we don't have to talk it out too much um i just

check i think we're gonna have been on the same page yeah oh you have a chat without me for sure no no there's not that many people left yeah if it's me based on the people that i know I think I like a no quantity for me, okay? Should we set up who's left for the people? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You want to set it up, Shannon, because we're the last, what, like two, three rounds at this point? I think we have five people left. We have George.

George is the only person in the Australian tribes is left because I took five of the six people that have been taken. Again, you're not a trainer. We have, yes, and I didn't take Surrey the trade. I took Luke the trader. Tony, Lisa, Tommy, and Cass and George are the five picks available. You will get two, then I will get two, and then you will get the last pick. got there. It's been an hour, but I worked it out. So that will be the snake draft. So who

are you taking to leave three picks left on the board? Yeah. Mike, tell me about Tommy. I'm getting a good vibe from Tommy. Well, I'll communicate to you, what was communicated to me by Shannon Gus. But Tommy played on Survivor, Finland. He's a very good all-around player.

He was regarded probably as the most gamey out of his cast. He did, you know, win some clutch immunities when he needed to seem to be fairly well-liked overall, but he makes it to the end of the game. And I think just due to the relationships and specifically the story of the person he was sitting next to where again, Tommy mostly led from the top with one large exception. The person he lost two was pretty much an underdog for the entire of the game, got him over on Tommy to get rid of his closest allies. And so Tommy puts forward a very good game,

but loses in a tight jury vote. So I would say, if we would, were to put our heads together and pick, you know, especially of the two unknowns, someone who probably has the capacity to somehow put together a game to surprise everybody. It probably is, Tommy.

That was pretty good, Mike. You really listened to that podcast. You buried the lead, though, that the jury vote was three to three, but the other guy had won an advantage to give someone two jury votes. That's crazy. Yeah.

But to be fair, what the, someone, yeah, it was, and also the way they got to the final three was through a challenge, the two top challenge people. and then the third, it was, anyway. But someone quit at the final four for the second time.

She was a returnee who would quit at the final four before being like, no, you guys deserve it more. Then people were mad because she got included again. And then she quit. She didn't get any votes. And she just straight up quit. So they removed it from the jury. So it was a six person jury.

And it was three to three. And then Sammy, the guy who won, he had an extra jury vote. But to be fair, the person who could probably would have voted for him. So it's not, it didn't make me as angry as you think. But. Okay. Isn't that wild? That is, that's wild.

That's wild. I'm going with Lisa. I think Lisa is our pick. What did Mike say that made you anti-Tommy? I'm not anti-Tommy. We still have other picks, but I want, I want a winner on our team. I want another winner. I think that Lisa is incredible.

I am a big fan of Lisa as a person. I've had the joy of meeting her in real life. And I would love to see somebody who is a true super fan of this game. you know, like somebody who has studied the game, somebody who is in our very own RHP community, somebody who won Survivor wearing a RHP bell shirt, okay? How can we live with ourselves? If we didn't have one of our own on our team,

and as Lisa's clearly her closest friend here on the panel, I'm happy to be able to say the words that we have Lisa on our team. Yeah, we haven't hung out with her in the last like while, but she's on our team because we love her and we respect her. I'm going to text me. that asked who she likes the best of the four of us. Yeah. But lead with her to rank, ask her to rank.

Let's have her like name names. Yeah. Oh, right. And also with Chappelle just drafted you. Who do you like the most? I'm not going to tell her who drafted her. Oh, okay. But get us the ranking.

Get us the ranking. I don't know if she'll immediately get back to me. But I did say, who do you like best, rank us, me, Chappelle, Puyo, or Mike. Ready, go. And, but that's the thing. I love Lisa. I know she is a student of the game.

I know that she is, if you want to talk about hyenas, she is one of the most hyena people on here because a lot of them have never seen her season of television. And so they are going to vastly underestimate this woman. And that would be a mistake because she played a great game when she won. And she was up against a lot. She was up against, y'all, if you are listening to this, I know that double vote jury thing sounded crazy for Tommy.

Lisa was up against two people who knew each other who didn't even know that they were going to be on the same season. She, nobody knew. Did not have I heard as crazy as people say. That is crazy. She is up against two people who know each other, who had no clue that they were going to be on the same season. And she got them to flip on each other.

She got one of them to turn on somebody. He had known since grade school. Not only that, vote out the person who had the idol that they found together and got rid of it within his pocket. Lisa's a shark, man. I'm sorry. I'm so happy we picked her. Yeah.

I think that we are at a point right now where let's face it with no offense to this this lovely quintet of people. These are probably people that are likely to not win the game compared to earlier picks. But I would say out of that group, Lisa is probably the most likely. To your point, Chappelle, I think from a personality perspective, Lisa is sweet as I'll get out,

but she is definitely more of an introvert, especially compared to, again, a lot of the personalities around her. I do think if she gets to a final three, she could say I'm a previous winner I'm two for two and making it to the final tribal council here not to mention

again she is someone who we've talked about this before on our podcast Shannon was sort of cast I imagine and sort of the Adam Klein and Winners of War role of like the audience analog oh my God this is so incredible all these people are sharing a beach together but I think that also allows

her to be able to clock people's games as well you know if it's like oh I know how this person played she'll be able to kind of I think fill in the blank of like, if the Australia and World Tribes don't know a lot about each other, Lisa is kind of the bridge in between that. If you use that information, however she wants to. The issue is, Lisa is so normal. Like, usually when you say that people in reality TV are normal, it's with the caveat of, like,

for a reality TV contestant. Like, Lisa is a normal human being by any standard. Not even just reality TV standard. Like, these people will not know what to do with her. They will underestimate her so hard. But I don't know if they'll ever get to the point. of estimating her. Like, I don't know if you'll get to the end and they'll understand what Lisa is doing. She's very smart. She's very considered. She loves the game. It was very intentional. The way that she wants me, one of the best moves of all time. Will they see that in Lisa? Will they be like, you're the most normal person I've ever met? And I'm Tony and I'm screaming. You know what I mean? Like, she's just so normal. It's actually kind of funny. Like,

it's like, seeing her as like the straight man of the season, like seeing the season through her eyes being out there with like the Tony's and the George's could be like a sitcom really and that makes her an outlier that actually might make it really difficult for her to win but I love Lisa I'm sure she likes me the best she hasn't gone back yet

but um you know you could completely fabricate the rankings without us knowing right she says me first I don't know if I'm not first yeah I'm not first um all right you have one more pick and then you're going to get left with a pick at the end oh yeah I trust you

we picked Lisa that's the one pick we've made yeah okay okay here's the thing I know that we're in a no loss

situation meaning whichever one of these two that I'm looking at I pick I think you both be okay with me doing it. Wait do we have the grenade rule what are the rules of this draft no I think what it's only two teams That makes no sense.

Yeah. No, but then the odds of you having someone else in the final tribal council is incredibly high. I think we should do it. No. What? Yes. You're not voted.

Mid-drift, we're not voted because with two teams. I as a team say yes. You as a team say no, Sam. You know what, gentlemen, I've made my pick. Yeah.

Brinagle. Listen, I lived my life, 10 years of it in this country. I cannot leave a Canadian. on the board. I want to take Cass over and bring her on the team. Now I say this because my knowledge of Cass

begins and ends with she's Canadian. So please educate me on the pick we just made and tell me we hit gold here. Please. Sam is saying we should do the grenade. No. There's two teams. That's not what he says. No one knows what he said.

That's not a grenade. That's shooting at someone from across the foxhole. But the odds of you having someone else in the final travel counsel is incredibly high. And it could be me. Why am I arguing that's like you definitely have the grenade? All that's doing that grenade rule will be a, okay,

so now all that matters is your 50-50 of having two at final three instead of one at final three. If you have any at final three. I hope there's no final three. You have 14 players, come on. That's another thing. Yeah, what happens in the grenade rule to final two? Yikes.

I think it'll be a final three. There's so few episodes in so few days. Yeah, I just, I just don't like, I don't know, maybe it's like inherent in the versus theme to have a final three because you ultimately want that sort of like showdown between you know I agree like we saw in Titans versus Rebels to be like and Titans versus Rebels and Jerry's there too

well so I would go back had a final three in 67 episodes so people will do anything to have a final three even though it's the worst mechanism in that final three yes my tell Pua what you learned from me about Cass I love doing this little test okay yeah so Cass essentially is Canadian Amanda Kimmel we call her Amanda Kimmel.

So Cass is somebody who was able to benefit from the fact that she largely did not go to tribal council in the premurge and was also able to benefit for the fact. Her entire opposition was just a shit show of voting out each other's number one

allies, voting out all the strong people. There was a whole mismatch swap thing that essentially created like the one world swap or one tribe was just it was literally David versus Goliath and David lost time and time again. Now, the thing is that Cass did have a moment in the post-merge where she does lose an alley and was actually a bit on the bottom, but she was able to cross these tribal streams and bring together a couple of people that were pissed off at one of their former tri-mates and, you know, be able to collaborate together and make a new five-sum. Not to mention Cass is apparently incredible at endurance. I would maybe venture a guess that she could be a challenge beast if she does make it to.

the post-merch, which might work for and against her. The major red and white and maple leaf-laden flag with Cass is the fact that she willingly went to the finals with her closest ally who beat her handily. She is a zero-vote finalist. And when asked why she would do that, did she think about cutting her ally earlier? She stood 10 toes down and said,

I wanted to beat the best in the end. And arguably, she got beat by the best. Okay, I love how much you listen to me The listeners should still listen to these podcasts There's more context there We talk about how there was a pre-merged rock draw Snap edge of extension You want to know what happened with Bayanee

Which was not Cass's tribe But Mike, you really, you hear me, you see me That was great, that was 1 10 out of 10 Thoughts now clear that you know the cast story Like, wild to take the pick before asking for it But what do you think now? I'm very happy

He said Canadian Amanda Kimmel I was in He said Canadian Getting to the end of a show, a season, is already in a very important feat just to then find out she was also on the bottom a little bit and then managed to pivot

out of that position to get to the finals and then, yes, takes their best ally to the end, go against the best, gets beaten by the best. You're going to make the same mistake twice? Maybe. But I'm still happy with what we have on our team.

At the reunion, she did say I could never have voted against him because she's emotionally could never have done it but yeah well the good news is there is not enough days here for her to have that connection with anybody here so we should be okay the cutthroateness should be a little bit more prevalent here I mean what's also very interesting is she's played

she will have played I think the most recently out of anybody here she played on last year's version of Survivor Quebec and so there is something to I think like keeping the heart rate up right like kind of jogging in place when you're at a crosswalk before the light turns green where like she knows how to subsist on the elements and look again that might pale in comparison

in the grand scheme of things because they're probably only playing for two weeks but like if you're talking about somebody who's like warmed themselves up in the waters of the survivor pool it's not going to be a cold splashback in for cats you know her body's already kind of acclimated to it yeah I just Cass is a well-rounded player she's strategic she's physical she's social everyone likes her like everyone in her

everyone she met pre-merge wanted to work with her. She's really nice, but I just worry about the killer instinct. Like, she had every opportunity to take out that ally. She had an idol. She had the ability to win challenges. Like, it wasn't even just that it was scary. She just never even

really put it ever in motion. And I just, I was screaming at the TV in French. I was like, sucker blur. Slapper bler. What are you, Joey from friends? Okay. All right. Shannon, let me ask you a question and be very honest okay the world is listening right now

Australia as well yes you are on a season of survivor the world the world Australia is the world yeah yeah this is what this is what this um the season is set up that there's like Australia versus the world like we're just out of the world we're part of the world makes no sense but anyway so you are on a season of survivor with surrey fields sorry fields and you are working together you are allies You're telling me that you're not going to go to the end if I don't travel with Surrey Fields. You're going to vote three fields out.

I give Surrey a kidney. I don't know what the question is. But I'm not playing Survivor. The question is then then Cass is allowed to to ride for that person also. Yeah, but not if you want to win the game. Like for sure she's a lovely person. And I'm sure just Lane is incredibly happy about it. But in her wants to win Survivor, it was not the right move.

She has things to wear. In ways, Tommy, I don't feel has nearly like Tommy. he also didn't vote out allies but Tommy has a lot less to wear whereas with Cassel was so obvious I was like what about is going to win? See I like this though I like I like this strategy because essentially we've now recruited

two people that will most enable our other picks to win the game. It's a really good support system. Yeah that's Team Surrey right there you've done it yeah I mean look Cass you know shares all the other pitfalls that like anyone like

most people not really but like late in the draft all the people that are so disconnected, that they really have to, like, show themselves for people to respect them because they're next to big names. But it's more for me that I just, she's very good at forming groups to win battles against people she liked, sure, but never against her closest allies. She did not have to take the shot, a shot that someone like Janine has taken that Lisa has certainly taken. You know what I mean? Like, Lisa did exactly that thing that Cass needed to do. Like, that's the next level up. And Cass just wasn't there.

But hold on, hold on. That's why I think you should love me. I hear you. But how many days of Survivor did Cass play? I don't know, like a thousand? Like it was like a thousand days. Like I had never ended Chappelle. Do you know how many times they won KFC?

Twice? Two different KFC rewards. Wasn't full KFC. If I had known she had one KFC, I would have picked up first. Here's the thing. I think that because because I remember her buckets of chicken, you're crazy. Okay, anyway. So, Cass.

He did win one. Played so many days of Survivor. Of course she was that tied to her number one ally. She got out of people for three days. Like, well, she went through the thick and through it. It was months. Yeah, they went through so much that a bucket of chicken was like everything. Right.

No, it wasn't everything. They won reward every day. They would do three rewards in a row. You don't know what was happening. We don't know that. We don't know that. They want so many rewards. They would do reward, reward, reward, reward immunity sometimes.

And then they went to a final three, even though it was 67 episodes. My point is, if they're, like, we're going to hold that against Cass for not having the killer instinct to cut her, her number one ally the first time. Look at the Australian, yeah, the Australian survivor cast. These people, they're going to have a way harder time cutting their allies. Now, don't get me wrong. They are, they are sharks. They're cutthroat.

But these are friendships that have gone a decade now, some of them. They've played closely together. Like, is David cut in poverty? is David Cutting Luke. You know what I'm saying? So I'm not going to put that above Cass when everybody else should be in question to room. More than Cappell, Australia famously

the birthplace of mateship. Like, right. They love that. Well, worse than that, worse than the Australia part of it, do not let her talk to Rob Bantelay because he'll be like, oh, is that a blonde woman

who allows their allies to get to the end and win? Because don't let them have a conversation because they played parallel games and I could see, like, literally Rob was just lane and Cass was a much, much, much, much, much, much, much less ridiculous Nicole. And if they link up and it gets to that point, then Rob was also on your draft team. So actually, Cass could help everyone on your draft team. So I just, I worry about

that duo because I've seen that film before now twice. I saw twice in different languages. And I could see it as a third time. Tales all this time. Yes. Okay. Well, that's Cass. And that leaves me with George, Tony and Tommy as my picks. And I can take these two. in any order that will leave you with your final pick. I'm going to reverse the order that I probably would do it if I like had the pick. Maybe. I don't know. I'm pretty even on these people. I'll take Tony first

just because like Tony gets to me in my team. How exciting that Tony is playing with Australian Survivor. I love Tony with everything in me. He's due for a win. He wins and then he does really bad and then he wins and then he's really bad on the traders. Alternating on and off, right?

They're like win, lose, win, Well, it's win, like, third, third boot. No, he was second boot. It's win, second boot. Win. We're at win. Enie, mini, money, more. That's where we're out.

It's where we're out as part of that formula. It does. And you can't just say that because you're the traders expert. It does count. It's reality television. I can't because you cover the authority. No, no. That's not true.

I'm, and if I'm those strains of I've expert, I decide he's at the point when you win. So we're kind of a good. I think Tony is, for me, one of my favorite players of all time. This is the top three, actually. And the U.S. Survivor, I think this is, and then you concluded they had Sandra. If they put Jeremy in, that's my top five, which is also what the traders did. And then then Rob Satina. Someone who was talked to both Tony and Jeremy in the last year.

I think that this doesn't count as part of the pattern. I'm worried for Tony. I think Tony, they might not, I don't know if they're going to know David won hell of money. Okay. What they will know is Tony won $3 million playing Survivor and won it twice. No one will know that. Who knows that? Johnny knows that. Kirby knows that. You think Rob knows that? All it takes is for one of them

on the other side to know that, everyone else there will know that because that is a great. Yeah, immediately. And if you think JLP's not going to start with Tony, you've won Survivor twice. Yeah. He does. Yeah. Here's the thing. I mean, I I'm obsessed with seeing Tony back on Survivor. I really thought it would not happen. after winners of war

because again, it really seemed like he was just ready to walk up with those $3 million into the sunset but he is just like an S-tier level character the things I'm worried about with Tony is at Tupuya's point like I think he has the biggest threat level

of the three Americans so if they are head hunting and they see the Americans as a trio Tony would go first I also think Surrey and Parvety would be more than happy to cut bait with Tony if there was a bad situation of one yeah yeah yeah and the

The other thing is that, like Tony was able to do incredibly well, like you said, Chen, one of the best single game performance, single season performances in Survivor History in Winters of War, because he was able to be so underestimated. He talked with me in the moment about like purposely walking in a lower elevation than people, you know, walking with his shoulders hunch. And again, he had that loss to be able to go back to him like, no, look what happened last time. I'm like, I'm not doing anything. I'm not doing. I'm not doing. I'm going to put a ladder. What am I doing?

This time, I do not think, like we talked about with David, that it is going to be able to work. It's like, no, no, no, they got fooled last time. We will not get fooled again. And yet, look at how you all underestimate him again. You know, I've seen this film before. Before Windows at War, no one would draft Tony. He was going undrafted.

And I don't know how, in a 20-person draft, which seems like really even numbers. I was a partisan podcast where Akiva Winneker famously said that he would rather pick Natalie White or a person who wasn't on the cast over Tony. Well, that did not age well because he then went on to play. I think the best game in Global Survivor

History. He won for a second time. I love Tony. Do I think this is a great cast for him? Like, no, I do think he is a big threat. I don't think he's particularly well connected. I don't think they didn't even see Traders. So unfortunately they didn't get to see him do. And look, Traders was not his fault. Whatever.

It wasn't his fault at all. But he's due. He's due for his win. And is it likely? No. but I would be here underestimating Tony as I take him as pretty much my last draft

I'm about to say yeah like you went into the very end but I got him but I got him yeah you got him I don't think Tony look betting against Tony is not wise you know so I'm not going to sit here and say that Tony doesn't have any chance of winning

but it's definitely an uphill battle I would give Tony a kidney too I'd give a lot of these people kidneys I can have my kidney Sarri can have my kidneys but Tony can I have my kidney just like straight up I think you need one of the kidneys I can let that around selling on the black market

I know some guys So we could have them both if she wants them but Tony cannot have either It is an absurd joy to me to have Tony playing Australian survival I love Tony It's so cool So so so much

So much I can't even explain how much I love Tony Okay I'm really glad to have I'm so excited to have One of the other reasons I'm excited for Tony and Luke to interact Is I would imagine there's a chance That neither one of them knows what the other one is saying Because Luke speaks like relatively

and Tony's just making about words talking about lamas and five day calendars like they're going to be talking at one another but they're going to be talking so vociferously to one another that it's just going to be unintelligible it will be wonderful there's so many people I need to see Tony interact with

I need to see him interact with George I need like so many things all the Tony lights we've spoken about for so long he needs to just like lead this team of like little Tony's we've been comparing people to him for decades super excited to have Tony

and then I will take Tommy Tommy is a very well-rounded player he did not do much to lose on what should have been really a 3-3 vote he's a huge super fan he's very strategic he played against returnees it was fans versus favorites where the fans

were dominant he was doing 2-1-1 split votes against returnees and taking them out of the game you know splitting on shot in the darks that people actually roll a die for he did have a big blind side of the final five, but otherwise he controlled the game, beginning to end, and then he rallied. So he's had that kind of breadth of experience, and he's going to be really geeking out.

Like, I know we talk about Lisa in that role. He's seen Survivor. Can't say that's true for everyone on this car. So I think Tommy's going to be living his absolute dream out there. And yes, hard to be disconnected. Yes, hard to be unknown and have to get the reputation. He said this about everyone. but I think Tommy's actually a really good pick

here at the second last pick and I'm happy that I watch all the Survivor Finland to get him on my team right now. Yeah, I mean, that'd be pretty wild if we also took the two, you know, relative X factors and be like, all right, Shannon, yes, you've watched almost a hundred episodes of these two seasons.

Tell us all about them. Yeah. No, I'm glad to have Tommy. Does anyone have any thoughts about Survivor Finland, Tommy? I have thoughts. I've thought. What I learned during this draft, Shannon, is that if you have,

If you are friends with or have podcasted with on a co-host level with anybody, you don't want them on your team. That's what I learned personally through this. I don't look first. I did multiple seasons of talking tribal with Luke. Yeah, but then we'll talk about the other people you left on the board. Who? Just George. Who else have I?

Lise, a friend of yours, I thought. Oh, right. I thought you meant co-hosts though. Like, it's just Luke and George that I've... I said friend or co-host. I said both. Oh, right. It's true.

Okay. I mean, I'm friendly with Sarah, too. I don't want to go here and just name my... friends, okay. I think I have a nice relationship with David, I think. Yeah. They say a stranger is just a friend you never met, so maybe Shannon's now like officially becoming friends with someone like Tommy.

I will say, I think, maybe it's... She did not reply my Instagram DM. So actually of everyone, I think that he... I think more got back to her as to who drafted her somehow. I think that Tommy, I don't know, maybe it's the wolf shirt and you could speak to this more, Shannon, about like, his personality. I could see him really play up

like... Oh, he's back in the wolf shirt. Yeah. It could play up Certainly like the class clown angle a little bit too, right? Of like, yeah, you know, you don't need to, you know, you don't need to expect anything from me. Like, I'm just here to have a good time. Like, I feel like I've already won. We don't know how much money we're playing for,

but I feel like a million bucks getting to play all alongside all of you. But I think, again, he is someone that can string together an incredibly impressive game. Again, we're sort of getting down to brass tax here. I do not know if he is someone who sits in the finals. You're like, yep, Tommy, you're up here again. And David and Tony, I'm giving it to you, buddy. You would do.

He would too. He struggled to vote out the returnees. He said he had such reference for like the walloos of the world. And I'm like, you're going to be playing against Tony. Like he's going to be dying, I think. So much such a big part of his story was how he'd been watching the show for over 20 years and like how much he loved the show. So I'm really happy for him that he's going to, yeah, have that experience.

But yeah, he might be the kind of thing where he pulls a verpi who quit twice. And like he gets to the final three like, no, don't vote for me. Vote for Tony. vote for Luke, vote for for Shawnee, like if he was that big a fan but it is a tough one. But Tommy is like there's not a lot of notes. For someone who especially didn't win the game,

Tommy's a very well-rounded player who does not have a fatal flaw that I could see in 70% accurate subtitles of Survivor Finland. So he's got the skills, I think, I again, was following along as best I could. I think Tommy's a good pick. Yes, it means that I have to

leave George to you guys. I do feel bad. George is a great friend he is in a terrible spot he's not in a good spot so I can't go on every podcast and say George is completely screwed and then draft him and then I can't go on a podcast and say I could think he'll be 14 out of 14 if I had to make a prediction

and then draft him George is up against David who I'm sure doesn't like him at least in the game you know George has no connections he voted out Johnny, he has such a big reputation. Like, George is just completely effed. So that's how I feel.

Any thoughts on your final draft? A lot of these people have like immaculate social games. Like there's some strategies on here, but a lot of these people have shiny, shiny, shiny social games. George does not have that. He is coming in at a disadvantage because of that every time he plays. And I think because of his profile as well as somebody who does make magic happen, he can also be very threatening to people.

And so, yeah, the Aussies would have to completely implode day one for him to make it through like a vote. However, George can do some crazy things. We have seen some wild things. What was that? Is that Heroes versus Villains where he has that, like the craziest tribal council I've ever seen in my life? I'm still to this day, like, George swinging the idol over his head is iconic. like it just if you let him cook he will cook it is going to be crazy

it's going to be entertaining however they would be wild to allow that to happen it would not be wise I mean here's the thing Chappelle he might not let that happen because this man is an idle sniffing hound advantages idols etc you have got to imagine especially

he probably imagined Shannon just as you were able to able to, you know, forecast that he is in dire straits going into this season. So he has got nothing to lose if he just starts hitting the beach and start searching for idols. And so if he gets through that first tribal council, and again, the Australian tribe doesn't win or keeps winning until the merge, then he has reached the merge. But even still, I think he's going to have a major target on his back. He might as well get that tattooed as well as the idol around his back. Because here's the thing. We talked about Shawnee,

again, not performing as well every subsequent season. George finished as runner-up and finished as the fallen angel and the last returnees standing in Heroes versus Villains. He has a massive reputation coming in here as

one of the most strategic people in franchise history. The New York Times wrote up an entire article. They don't even watch Australian Survivor, but they had to find themselves a VPN to watch this and write up about how sublime of a move

this was. But I will actually push back a little bit Chappelle. I do think that George when he finds his people really locks in with them. Yes, there's the whole Shawnee thing, but like him and Kara proved it in Brains versus Braun 1, right?

That like he is loyal to the soil with somebody if they prove their loyalty to him and you could argue maybe it's part of his folly that he wanted to vote out Shawnee at that point. So I do think like if you do want to associate yourself with George, he can be a good ally for you to a certain extent. The question is if you want to be an ally with George or if he's always going to be an enemy.

Yeah. And I do think like with Tony, like you underestimate George your imperil. I spent years underestimating George through the entirety of Brains v. Born. I thought he was out every single week. He made it to the final two. I did not expect that. He had so much plot armor, but also it was like, yeah, but he would still be the main character even if he was out, like, second. And then he came back and in Heroes Villains and he should not have control that season. Much like David, it was like, what did you just watch?

How are you not aware that this is the thing? How have you let that happen? And they did. Will these people let that happen? No. But as we've said, George has other superpowers. We can do things with limited numbers. He's probably the best at that in the world, but he doesn't need as much social capital to make plans happen with advantages

or with just pure strategy. It'll be his hardest task yet. I hope I'm wrong, but it's not a good spot for George, so I've left him to you guys. So the teams, I'll just read it in order. I'll try to remember this. So you got George, Shawnee, Surrey, Poverty, Rob Leeson, Cass, a very global team, fittingly. I got a lot of Australians. I got Kirby, David, Luke, Janine, Sarah, Tony, and Tommy.

And those are the teams. And that's it. I think that's it. That's the draft. We were going to do it like this shit and we could just split this bad boy in half. I thought about it. I was like,

imagine the shortest podcast ever. We just do AUV world. I mean, we kind of, we almost did. Almost. Yeah. So should we go around the table here though?

Like, can we lock in individually official winner picks for the season before episodes are coming out? We have to. I will take Luke. I've said Luke, I drafted Luke first for that reason and Luke will be my winner pick. Anyone else?

um i would go with parv i would go parv on on the winner pick yeah i would agree but i will try to go for something we can share ziz mike you pick one of i always say you can but my god you got to share a team you share a winner pick you made a share team to be clear you wanted us to share team sam said to do this sam don't run nothing you made us do this i can't say no i will provide a contingency. I will say Harvardy, but if I'm forced to switch off, my backup will be Surrey. You want. Yeah, Mike, you and I, again,

same page. I'm 100% down. Oh my God. You guys love Papine. Surrey. You're so original. You love the two most beloved players and global survival. Wow. I never said that I wasn't a basic bitch. Surrey's my favorite player. Pearl Island is my favorite season. I'm not a connoisseur of fine wines here, you know?

Yeah. I know. Yeah. Yeah. Like, oh, you got to like pick the, the, what are you Lipster. Like, let me, let me, no, I'm not at all. Surrey is also my favorite player. It's funny. It's like, well, they really got all my favorite players. Like, yes, they went for the biggest ones. Like, those are my

favorites. I love them. I love a, I'm a basic bitch too. Basic bitches. Basic recap bitches. Chappelle, you're going to choose a really, really baby. You're going to go to Sourri? Duh, have you met me? Like, I'll pick Saree in every iteration of every game that she's ever played, ever. Um, and

I will never change up. I am a surrey diehard fan. It will, it'll never go away. I love Surrey too. I love her so much. I love her more than anyone in my life. I love her so much that you will not ever draft her and that's okay. I love her more than I love all of you by far. Doesn't seem like it a little bit. This does not seem like

new information to any of us. I love her so much and she's going to play Australian Survivor. Yeah. This is crazy. Great explosion. I'm actually very nervous about this though. You know like I kind of like so like I know you really love winners at war

Shannon but I do not. There's nothing I like about seeing my faves lose. And that's a basic page for me. Really, I think nothing more basic than like, oh, I'll pick the one with all the winners. Like, okay. No, everyone hates winners of war. Yeah. It's a lot of the take I have that I love winners of war, okay?

I'm going to hate for that take, I'm sure. It's like, okay, because it has all the winners on it. We get it. You love it. So, but for me. No, I liked my phase win, Tony won, and I loved it. Sure. Okay. So for me, I don't like watching my faves lose. I remember how sad I was throughout, what is it war?

And not just like because Tony won, because I had to watch. watch people like Sophie lose. I had to watch Tyson lose twice in one season. I was like, wait. Those people had all won. How weak are you that you can't see former winners lose? It's fine. They're fine.

I don't like seeing my faves lose. I don't like seeing them fight. Like, do you know how hard it's going to be to see Rob Bintillet voted out? That would be crazy. Like, so for me, I'm like, don't ever, like, don't vote out Shani. But also don't mention Sirry's name and leave Lisa alone. Like, I don't know who to root for because I don't know who's coming from my face. But like, there's so many of my faves here.

So, yeah, I am not going to enjoy this by him. I am going to enjoy talking about it with all of you. I actually have something on this because this was a big thing in winners of war. I know a lot of people did not like the boot order in winners at war. And like the people at the end weren't exactly my phase, but then Tony won and he was absolutely my faith. But I think something I've always seen, if the boot order is bad, it's bad. And I believe me, I hate All-Stars. I hate Australian Survivor All-Stars desperately.

There are no words strong enough for how much I hate. I love that, Caesar. You're wrong because you love David. It's literally the exact same thing. because you were exactly the Tony thing with me, but it's fine. And what about that? My point with all-star season, unless the boot order is terrible, a lot of the time you have to be grateful for what you have.

I remember when there's a war, people were like, You went pre-merge. I'm like, you was on Survivor in 2020. Be grateful for that. We get Surrey and Tony and poverty. Whatever happens, like, wow. You know, like, wow. Like, let's just stand here in this moment before it all starts

and be like, even if you were mad in an episode from now, because some legend goes home because they probably will because everyone's a legend. How amazing is this? That's what I just want to say. I just want to say, before we turn on it, you know,

before everyone inevitably turns on it because returning seasons are very, very heated. And it's hard for it to not be connected to the results because you care so much about each of these people. But I'm very happy we get to do this. I think we're going to have a lot of fun.

Like this, again, to your point, Shannon, we should be so incredibly lucky we get the chance to see this, let alone talk. about this. So thank you so much for having, you know, the recap bitches on for our second season here. Again, like the amount of work that you put in to be, in my opinion, one of the most preeminent authorities on Global Survivor is second to none. And so, again, I was only able to provide the book reports that I did because of everything that you went through. And so

even from their perspective, like, no matter, you know, no matter how Tommy and Cass do, like, You're able to speak to that. You're able to speak to this incredible show. That's the other thing as well. It's like, you know, depending on how you feel about the casting, depending on how you feel about how it all plays out, depending on how you feel about like the money people take away at the end of this. Like what all these people have in common is they played this little show that got introduced

25 years ago randomly one summer on CBS and forever changed not only thousands of people's lives firsthand, if not millions of people's lives secondhand, but changed the face of television and changed all of our lives in some sort of way. You know, we're going to talk about this a lot with season 50 next year, but it's something that I like, I'll be a little honest,

it like moved me to tears out there when I was just watching it, this idea that like, there is such this incredible unifying force and it's around a stupid, silly reality show, especially Australian Survivor, where they just, you know, they could go super goofy sometimes,

for lack of a better term, but like what all of these people have in common, is that they went out there sometimes multiple times and put their hearts and souls and bodies on the line for a silly little game in pursuit of a life-changing amount of money. And it's just a really cool thing to think about that like this is a love that these people share

and to love that we share as well. And so I hope that love gets represented in some way, shape, or form of what we're going to watch. And not everyone played for life-changing money, you know? Some of them played for 30,000 euros, which would be. I'll take it. Yeah, but it's not two million U.S.

dollars. It's not nine million Australia. What if David's Dondy prize money is up for grabs? Whoever wins? Crazy. That would be crazy. What if it's like that show endurance were like when the people got voted out that gave away their pyramid pieces like, all right, David's been the first voted out.

So his bank is now up for grabs. Bequeathed it, David. Bequeathed. I don't know how much money will think. I was a million fire tokens to distribute to every one. oh my gosh well we are prepared we've got people who played the traders we've got the traders we've got the traders expert we've got dondie we have chapelle here who's literally the with jennie the global leader of dondy we have mike who's a global leader and everything so we are here as a recap bitches we could not i think as a collective have worked harder to be more prepared

for this exact moment in time and that's what we're going to be doing this season And so I hope that you will join us and we're going to have stuff with Rob every week as well and hopefully as many ex-interviews as we can get. So this is going to be a one-stop shop for everything Australian Survivor with, again, people whose lives have been leading up to this moment in every conceivable way.

So I hope that you will join us. Chappelle, tell the people where they can find you. YouTube.com slash at RecapKitback. It's my YouTube channel where my podcast lives. You can subscribe to the podcast, RecapKitback.com slash subscribe. And check me out. about whatever I want to talk about, including

a live rewatch of flavor of love season one. We're about wrapped that up and where I was going to season two. And then, of course, if you like Big Brother, because if you listen to this, maybe you do. You can catch me behind the paywall here on RHAP talking about the sloppiness of the season on the slop.

But you got to be a patron to see that. And listen, you hopefully are a patron at this point to check out a lot of the international links, including links to episodes of Australian Survivor versus the world. So, while you're there, yeah, check it out. It is necessary content,

especially in a sloppy season like this. Thank you, Mike. Puyah, where can people find you? Chappelle puts the penis and sloppiness. Okay, you can find me on all socials at Puyahism. Find me on TwitchTreeStat TV slash Puyah. That's where I am when I'm on podcasting. Having a good time there right now, so come do check it out.

And like Chappelle said, Big Brother season is kicking off so you can find me Friday. Mornings talking everything that went on on the feeds Thursday night. We are Fridays. with Taryn so you can find that and check out the pal with me and Leanna we have fun time there it's a very fun pod we just wrapped up um for now for now Shannon it ain't gonna work that podcast will not be past the end of your marriage it will not we're gonna have to end of the end of a marriage should it come i want to see how that's so entertaining if you don't think that's good content the content weird the divorce

proceedings on pod are going to hit those numbers are going to be amazing that's in your dreams that podcast is going to happen because we are going to be together forever we'll see who's together um you were plugging it though listen listen listen to pey and leana for now you can't threaten people's marriages while you can listen to them you should listen to them talk about their very fragile relationship you're just digging yourself a hole with comments that are waiting to happen with this our marriage is as secure as the victory we sealed today with this draft so very insecure we shall see okay anyway do you want to bet the marriage on you want to do

get the marriage then you lose you have to get divorce and if we i lose i'll get the loser has to get a divorce I'll do it right now why do you want to do it too I mean honestly you know what you two I think we've upgraded the grenade officially I think we've

I don't want I don't think Peter will agree to this let me talk to him no people be a better off we agree but I don't think he will know it's good content she'd agree for the content. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, this is her one day.

I will keep betting everything I have until I bet one day and win for you and Leanna. She's a problem of is, Shedonadden, you think that a divorce automatically means we are going to be sour towards each other. No, no. Well, true. They're still going to live together.

They're not forever. They're going to work forever. And what would happen with the cats? It's not fair to the cat. Leanna can keep both the cats. We said, make no mistake. I don't want those. How could you say that?

because they were her babies. I'm not going to separate her from her babies. If I was petty, I take clam because she loves clam more. But I'm not doing that. Do it. Okay. Peter and I talked about who would get the castle at all the time. Anyway, your marriage is fine. How are you doing?

I'm 150 to 200% satisfied my marriage right now. We just celebrated 10 blissful years. But now, that's fine. No, you guys are fun. Well, outside of watching my back, I guess, when it comes to my marital status. Of course, the reality flash is a podcast I do whenever breaking news comes across our streets in the wild world of reality TV.

If you missed it, some wild Love Island stuff happened in the past couple weeks. I'm assuming much more is coming down the pike. So check all that out. And I'm going to be the first to say this. There's some big brother happening right now. And so I'm doing weekly exit press over at Paray, talking with the most recently voted out contestant, occasionally showing up on a podcast here or there.

And I guess last thing I will plug is, listen, we're reaching August and into August goes September before we know it, Survivor 49 will be at our heels. And so when the cast is officially announced, that we'll be bringing you as I have been pre-season interviews with this season's cast. So very excited, especially given the fact we know two of them are going to be on season 50. I'm sure a lot of eyes are going to be on a 49. So that's way in the future, though. We have an entire ass season to get through before that, literally.

Otherwise, you can check out everything I'm doing, including my cameo at a Mike Lundite. Look at the expertise that we have here in this tarat slash temple slash tribal council. So I love having the recap bitches back. We will be covering the season. Firstly, the preseason stuff. Again, every player, if you don't know them or you do know them, you want some pretty hardcore analysis of every player. We did the Australian Survivor World Tour about every player in this season.

And I love the discussions because they were also different. You know, whether it was debating moves that they'd made or kind of where they sit in the lexicon or, you know, just going through all of it, how we thought they would do. I really enjoyed those podcasts. So that's the world tour. We have a podcast with Rob about why we're excited for the season. We will have its look as well. Very excited about that because the cast pictures are amazing. And like as soon as they came out, I could not wait to hear Bryce talk about Surrey, et cetera.

So I think that's going to be very, very fun. And then we're going to cover the season, as far as I know, three times a week, right? Chappelle, Poo your mic for three-ish weeks and then a finale, I think. So that's what we're looking to do. It's going to be over so quickly. So my advice is just invest. Like, quit your jobs. Or you don't even have to quit your jobs for the season.

Just take like vacation time, right? Like, this is going to be around for like three-ish weeks. And we're going to have a good time with the daily recaps, with weekly stuff with Rob, with ex-interviewed. You can find everything you need here. We know global survivor.com. subscribe to the feed. Follow me, Ashtana Gates, so you don't miss anything. We're going to have a very good time together.

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