RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor B&B & Global Crossover: Survivor 49 Episode 10

Episode Date: December 1, 2025

Survivor B&B & Global Crossover: Survivor 49 Episode 10 With a new Survivor season upon us, it’s time for Mike Bloom and Liana Boraas to re-open the RHAP B&B! On the B&B, Mike and Liana are inspired by the lighter side of Survivor, featuring a series of segments and games based on what’s happening on […]

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B-N-B-N-B-B-M-B. Mike and the honor got to play in some games. You let up pray to your mama's off there not to play. And if that all sounds cool, I can tell you the name. It's the R-H-A. You can stay for free. Hi, everybody, and welcome to the R-H-A-B-B-N-B and Survivor Global crossover for episode 10 of Survivor 49. My name is Mike Bloom here to bring a star-studied panel together.

That's a better match than turkey and mashed potatoes or barbecue and the sanctuary. And we hope the things will be happening as we break down a really fun episode. Some have been saying the best episode of the season so far. Leanna Boris, agree, disagree? Ooh, that's a good take, I would say, given. I mean, I wouldn't say that this was like, oh my God, the most exciting episode ever moves. is more about 49 in general, but look, I had a good time. We got to go to the sanctuary where good things happen.

We got to go to tribal council where death happens, apparently, according to Jeff. So I would say all in all, it was a pretty good time. Now, I was brought this guest opportunity to me to come onto this podcast, only to get told it was a fake. But I'm so excited that we have the real McCoy here in person because we've done this, I feel like maybe what, like two or three times at this point, but I'm always so grateful to mix together this chocolate and this peanut butter. Very appropriate for

R-H-A-P. When we get the chance to have the one, the only, Shannon Gus on the podcast. Yeah, thank you for having me. I'm really shocked you didn't introduce us as like it's not three boys on a bench, but there's three in there. So three podcasts is on a podcast, doesn't

work as well. Three podcasts on a podcast does not work as well. Yeah. There was some way to make that segment even worse. It would be to call us all three podcasters on a podcast. It really pains me how much that riff has been in my head

for the last few days. Like, it got me and I'm not proud of it. Yeah, I mean, best episode of the season, like, sure. Like, it was, you know? But I think that, like, you know what it was for me? Like, if you were, if I had guessed before the episode and like what we spoke about last week, that it was going to be a 5-4,

taking out, taking out, like, a Ju-1 or like, yeah, like, yeah, I could have got there, I think. But the thing that shocked me, was Rizzo's bluff. So I was like, okay, this is new. This is something you couldn't have predicted a few days ago. And I like that in the season because it's few and far between. So I would say this probably was.

And something I really enjoyed about the episode as well was like the layers of mole. It was like mole exception. It was like they thought that it was like, Sage, Juan and Sophie were the mole. But then like Sophie was a mole on top of the mall. Yeah. And that was exciting. Same all again.

So it's fun. Yeah, Joanne as sort of the swing vote alongside Sage for the past few votes gets to pass the torch, much like he passed by his own torch to grab Rizzo's on the way out. That was great. I loved your tweet about that, that he had stolen another thing. Juan's going to Ju-Wan. I missed Juan, by the way. I realized last week, I was like, I realized last week, I was like,

Ju-wan is my rooting interest in the season. Like, even though he was making decisions that were, like, kind of baffling to me, I was like, I just like him so much. He's so, you could see he had such a good attitude, Ringo voted out. He seems like such a nice guy. He had a great story from, like, the bottom of Uli to the top of the swings to this, like, brutal blindside here. He just, like, I just really enjoyed Joanne.

Like, yeah, his personal stuff as well. He was trying to mix it up strategically. And then, you know, like the second they showed him with catching that one tiny little fish, I was like, oh, Juan's going on. Oh, that's interesting. I was actually kind of surprised at least from a gameplay perspective, because I feel like we had it set up so much in this episode, at least. And maybe it makes more sense now in retrospective because we haven't really gotten the, like,

Savannah versus Sage really building to a fever pitch. but considering we got so much of Sage really setting up the Savannah boot, I thought it was really going to, you know, culminate in her downfall, especially when Savannah is the one to suggest like, well, why don't we just go for Sage? But as you mentioned, Jawan is the one to get caught at the end of that proverbial spear. I don't know, Leanna, where do you stand? Were you surprised by the Jawan boot?

Yeah, I was, I mean, I had narrowed it down to I think it was going to be either one of Sage or Jawan that was ultimately going to go from watching the promos and stuff. I was very surprised it was that they chose Jawan out of it. of the two, I would have thought that Sage would have been, at least in my eyes, would have been the obvious vote, but that also has to do with the editing that I've seen, whereas I see the connection with Stephen, right? I see how those two are together. Okay, maybe she's more of the glue guy in this particular instance. Whereas Joanne, apparently, I mean, the social threat of the season is that, is that where we're out with Joanne? Yeah, that's amazing. I feel

that's so clear. I love Joanne. Well, I think the thing is that we got a lot of, a lot of exposition in this episode about a lot of people, right? Like, Stephen is so likable and he plays so well. Joanne is so likable. I think it does make sense the more I think about it in that, I mean, they talk all the time in the past couple episodes, especially about how Joanne was such a big provider for the group. He has this really heartwarming story.

Hell, you had people wanting to be on his team for a reward challenge solely to give him food. So I think if you are sort of threat hunting, yes, sage seems to be explicitly more of like a quote unquote player, but Joanne has more. appeal as to, like, someone that could make their way to the end and win, as opposed to, I don't know. I don't know how people necessarily view stage, but it seems like it's not nearly as good standing as Joanne. Yeah, I agree that. I think, firstly, other than Hina, the rest of us ironically could see from space that it wasn't going to be Steven. So that, like, took out Stephen. From an editing perspective, I just think back to when Luke went home in Australian Survivor 2017,

and he had that scene where he's also in the water. And he's like, this is where I'm, like, meant to be. And it's so beautiful. It's like, oh, you're about to die. Like, don't walk into the light. So I kind of felt like that with Joanne. It's like how seagulls fly out to the ocean before they die. Like, whenever you see someone in the water, have a prominent character moment, it's like, all right, this is a burial at sea preemptively. I think it's just like the beautiful tragedy of like someone really finding themselves out there and then like having it, you know, like taken away from them. So I thought Juwan, maybe from that perspective. I also think like at the point where Sophie was given the choice, we have at least heard behind the scenes that she and Sage are close. And

And that's probably been a lot of the investment that, I mean, the huge investment, the fatal investment that Sage and Joanne have given to Sophie, that led to Joanne going home. And I'm sure a lot of the guilt that Sage felt and that also really, like, heart-wrenching goodbye, that it was her relationship with Sophie that invested so much and doomed them here. I also think that if we look at what Sophie wants and we look at Sophie's choice, which was such a massive part of this episode, Sophie is not in a great spot from a jury perspective. We've heard, like, Alex say in the ex-interviews that I love that I'm with my, I'm like, you know, you heard of them ex and views.

I do my great ex-induce for this. But he was like, Sophie's robbed a lot of people the long way, the wrong way. She's had to flip. She might have to like, you know, if she was maybe going to have to flip back here, flip individually. Like, I don't think she has a great jury chance. If I'm Sophie, my reasoning is very much like, who could I take out from a jury perspective? And she was going to get to take out Stephen, who we hear is really well liked.

And if you're not going to get to take out Stephen, if you're hearing Joanne as well-lik, that's a good reason to take out Joanne and get to stay with the side you want to stay with. So if I was Sophie, like both paths are tricky from a jury perspective and I think at least take out someone who you're saying you don't want to sit next to it, which is what she says. Go ahead, Leanna. Well, no, I was going to say that that's an interesting logic, right? Because I don't think that I would necessarily at this stage be thinking about that.

But I totally get at least between those two, right? That's where maybe the decision would lay. For me, I would like take a step further back and I would say, okay, what side do I want to align with thinking how do I even get to the end in the best position possible? But I mean, based on our calculations, right? I'm going to assume that she feels the most confident with the Savannah Stof and Rizzo side. Yeah, and she wants to work with them.

I think this is something that, you know, we were talking about last week and Miles and I kind of argued about where is Sophie? Because I'm like, why would Joanne and Sage? Some of the editors have been asking for a while now. Which is weird because Sophie is great. But Joanne and Sage obviously let it go to this four. And I was like, how did they do this? And Miles was like, they clearly think Sophie is with them.

And I'm like, this is going to be a fatal mystery. And it was. And I think she wants to work against Hina, We've seen that. She has been well insulated by Uli. They've done a really good job socially to keep her there where she actually wants to work with them. And I think that again, when both paths are bad,

like I don't hate this decision for her because it's like, well, how, like, how, again, if she's kind of like on a low standing from like, how is she going to win? I said last week, I don't hate the idea. You go with Uli, you're in a floor. It's pretty protected. Maybe you become the Rizzo killer.

Like if Rizzo keeps raising that threat, standing up a tribal council, doing flashy things and you can rely on yourself from an immunity perspective. But immunity at four, put yourself into fire, take out, Rizzle, like, things like, there's a potential there. Whereas if you go with Hina, I think there are a better possible jury, like, you know, people to sit next to it,

maybe Sage, maybe Christina, if you're taking, especially if you're here, you know, well, yeah, I mean, you don't want to sit with Joanna and Stephen, but if you sit with the others, there might be better potential there, but how are you going to individualize? It still doesn't look great. I see like a part, it's a slim path, but I see a path with Uli.

where it's protected and then there's like you take out Rizzo and like they took out Jesse you know well not to mention like we'll maybe get a bit of a focus on this next week because it does feel like the Sophie squared dynamic might actually become a thing like maybe and this is sort of a blank that we need to have been filled in and it's like again we see a lot of people talking about it's Rizzo and Savannah Rizzo and Savannah

there's not a lot of talk about like where SOF fits into all this they call in the trio a lot yeah but maybe they said it like three times yeah but I also I feel like they've said Rizzo and Savannah a lot more than they have like the trio. So maybe also Sophie feels like, okay, I'm in this close connection with soap.

And so like this is someone who I could possibly see myself go to the end with. I mean, the other thing about going to the end with Hina people as well is that like, there are Hina members on the jury. And so I think even a Christina who is definitely less of a threat than Stephen could still have people an MC a Stephen sitting on the jury. So I don't begrudge the decision. I mean,

I think what's also really interesting is we need to think about timing as well when it comes to the Fischlugina rice negotiation. which I'm sure we'll get into later. But one of the reasons why they all turn it down, understandably so is they're like, we have a week left. And so I also wonder if that calendar is playing into their minds as well, of them being like,

there's only seven days left of this game. Like I need to be able to either find a position to sit on my hands. I feel comfortable getting to the end with these people. Or like, let me just start jumping. Let me start making moves here because I only have a limited amount of time. I'll blink and all of a sudden it'll be day 26 and we'll see if I'll be in the final three or not.

not. Yeah, I mean, I definitely from a credit perspective, like if she's going to be going down this path of Hina, she's doing it with Sage and Joanne. Is she getting that credit? I mean, she is a very pivotal swing vote. As we see, she has a lot of power. But Sage is an architect of this move. And Sage and Joanne have been flipping all over the place, especially if Joanne is well liked, it's hard to see how she would individualize to be able to credit that. In this perspective, people might be mad about it, but like, they should credit how good Sophie has been in luring in Joanne and Sage to fully trust her to the point where she had this much power. Because a mole here had so much power with the two idols like the fact that she could go back and even

without the extra vote say this is where this is how to target to get around their idol and this is how to correctly play your idol in a world without the extra vote was so much power they gave her that power and she blindsided them like stay it was incredibly powerful what can she vocalize that I don't know will they like that they might be mad but you know there's actually individual credit there to be had and then I think the potential to take out actually bigger threats Like they're good shields, Ouli, and then they're bigger threats to take out. So I'm going to swing for the fences where, again, I don't have a great chance to win. I think I'm going with that.

I think sticking with Hina here is pretty safe. And I don't know where, like, who are the huge threats that you're taking out and how are you doing that alone? Whereas I see the path more specifically going with Ooli. And usually I would say as well, okay, well, why don't you, you know, take out like a Hina here, like a Jawan or I guess it's even like the better jury threats and then go for Oli next at seven. but Uli just have so many trinkets. I mean, I guess she thinks the idol's going to be played when she originally comes to them with the plan.

But, like, I do think you kind of have to pick between Hina and Uli here. and, like, she picked Uli and, like, I don't hate it. Well, I mean, I think you could also just boil it down to be as simple as Uli's never gone against her, right? Whereas Hina was like, I'm being treated if she doesn't know about that, that one Ouli scene at the merge where they're like, yeah, let's go for Yellow Sophie. Yellow Sophie's fantastic.

I'm sure they, you know, yada yada through that part when they were making their pitchure. Right. Or, you know, that she feels most strong. about, right? And I think it was a couple episodes ago where MC got voted off and she got back and had that whole conversation with Savannah and Sophie B and I think and was like

they don't want me here. So they're like that could just be enough to push you in the direction of wanting to play with people who want to play with you. Yeah, I think that she actively wants to play with them. It's at least equal. It's not better to go with fully. So to me it just

makes sense. Again, like equal again on a path where both are really tricky for Sophie. Like, do I see either path as Sophie's winning game? Probably not. But I see the vision more. Is that her plan? I don't know. You know,

I don't know what her long-term plan is here or her medium-term plan for the next week, but I think there's something there. I just don't see where it is with Hina. She's at the bottom of a five. Again, like, yeah, I just don't know where that goes. Look, I could see a universe where she's not the bottom of the five. Like, if, if, okay, so let's say she goes,

Savannah goes this week. Now you have like potentially a group of two, a group of two, a group of two, and a one. Right. So then there's potentially a universe where she can sort of navigate and negotiate within those pairings, assuming that those two pairs don't clump up and form a four. Because

I think yes, there could be an argument to be made that Stephen, Christina, Sage and Joanne could be considered a four, but like they just voted again, like Sage and Jawan just voted against Christina and Steve in the previous night. So like that connection is obviously not that strong. So she could still potentially ping pong amongst those smaller groups and navigate

that way instead of allowing power to coalesce with one group, which is the concern with going with Uli, where you now have this three that are super, super solid with still an idol in hand. Yes. Yeah, I do think, I mean, like, look, they're threatening, I think they're threatening things on both sides. Like, Oli is a smaller group. You're in a four. You're already in the four. You're ready to fire versus a five where you might be more outside of it, but maybe there's more room to maneuver. I see both parts of that. It is unfortunate just because Uli is so threatening

that you couldn't think, okay, like, Joanne or Stephen here, now I'm in the four of Hina, which is good and maybe like a lesser jury threat. Now we'll go for Uli at seven, but Uli is just going to win at seven. Like you know for a fact that Uli is just always going to win. So I think that, yeah,

I think you make your bed here. And I just, I think, yeah, I don't know what Hina are giving her. And at the end of the day, you can say, okay, well, the other sides have, have voted against, like, you know, have voted against each other. Like, they didn't include Stephen, but also they haven't included her. You know, like, Joanne and Sage, you've actually been pretty good to her.

They kept her over MC. They included her last week. So maybe that. But, like, if you're in a five, you're in CEO's self, I think, is between two pairs or one of the pairs are Stephen and Christina. Like, Stephen's a hundred times closer to Juana and Sage than he is to you. And I think she has a really bad relationship with Christina. So it's like, it's actively negative.

It just doesn't have a lot of room. Again, difficult. Difficult path either way, but she should be able to do what she actively wants to do when one path isn't so much better than the other. And the only path to me, like, just seems clearer to me anyway. And I feel like the logic there does make sense, maybe less so with the logic she actually used on the show, which is like, Savannah's my challenge shield. I've got. Yeah, that made no sense. Like, I, that was bad.

Again, it makes sense in theory, but with only a week left, like, maybe if you truly feel like, okay, I'm going to be gone as the next, you know, big challenge beats no matter what and maybe but that is like it's weird to say overrated strategy but I think it I think it kind of is like I just feel like we have seen more times it not work than it do so like thank God to Jeremy Collins for being able to pull it off and show how it's done best but we haven't seen it done great since because we see much more the cons of this entire thing which is like yeah but you're also keeping around someone that could beat you and someone who can also beat you in a challenge and also keep themselves safe.

And so Savannah, if they miss their one shot this time and now she wins out next time, it's like, okay, well, now we've got to go for the second biggest challenge, right? And that's, sorry, Sophie, you're out now. Well, that's why it makes no sense to me is because you either, like, then you're either winning the challenges

in which case you're safe, and you actually would have a better chance of winning it if Savannah's not there. Or she's winning the challenges, in which case she's not a good shield. She's actually impossible to vote for, so in which case I think you would go. So from that perspective,

and I also don't think that Sophie should be thinking about, say, again, I think this is how all survivor players think all the time. It's like, I'm such a huge threat. How do I protect myself, shield myself? Like, if I'm so few, I'm thinking, how do I win at the end? Like, I'm already thinking that way. Like, I'm not thinking how can I survive. I want to sit next to people I can beat. Um, so I'd be thinking more about how can I get to the end in a way that I can actually win, not like, okay, well, how can Savannah possibly shield me until I get to the end and people don't like me anyway and I win. So that wouldn't be, and I lose. So I, yeah, I wouldn't be thinking from that perspective. So I didn't

think that, but I did like when she was talking about Juan as a jury threat and Steven as a jury threat. Because I'm like, okay, well, this is, yes, who can you be? Let's sit next to them. So they get to get to the end. Can we talk about how the Heena plan made no sense? Please.

Elucidate. Tell us. A lot about this. So just to remind people, so the heena pled was the minority vote split, right? It's like, okay, even though they thought they were the majority. It was like, okay. Yes. We're all going to throw a majority. We're going to throw everything on to Savannah, say, for one vote.

So if there's a double idol play, you know, Christina's like initially, she says, okay, if Rizzo plays his idol, then I'll play my idol on you. She ends up, you know, jumping first, essentially. She ends up flinching. Whereas Rizzo, like, takes the steering wheel out of his car in this game of chicken. And it was like, I don't have a car at all. Surprise.

Yeah. But then it was to throw a vote on Rizzo just in case. Rizzo plays an idol on Savannah. Those votes are voided. She plays an idol on Stephen. Those votes are voided. And so rather than going to a re-vote, it would be that one vote on Rizzo to get him out. But I don't know.

I'm sure you're going to talk about this. But I would imagine, like, is it a problem if it goes to a re-vote? No. Firstly, if you have the majority, then the zero-zero re-vote is fine. You have the majority. You'll win that way. So you don't need the, you don't. So I thought maybe they think they're a minority and it's minority vote split.

But then I thought that's not possible because if you're a minority, they're definitely not voting for Stephen. Like in their mind, they're. have five people, three of whom are moles, right? Sophie, Joanne and Sage. So those people are telling you the other side of voting for Stephen. So they have to be with you. So you have to be the majority. So you don't have to put a vote on Rizzo because again, you go to the zero zero re-vote and just vote out Rizzo then. If you're the minority, then it's a minority split vote. That could be good. If there's a double idol play, however, then yeah, they're definitely not voting for Stephen. Like even if one mole gets out, which is what we saw happen, they're going

change the target. Like, you can't be putting your faith in people. Like, if you're a minority, they're lying to you. So if they're lying to you about being with you, they're also lying to about the target. So then Stephen isn't the target, whether it is all three of them against you, at which point they might split the vote, in which case, Christina definitely should have protected herself. Or even if it's just one person, as we saw, with just Sophie, she would definitely be like, you can't vote for Stephen. They know that you're voting for Stephen. Like, you have these other moles who are not with you, and that she'll tell them where to play the idol. yeah it just didn't make any sense to me

I guess the only way that would be if you're trying to counter their minority split vote which I don't that seems like a lot if you think you have the majority again so then Stephen is the target you're winning five to three but they think who might already split vote so then when it's a double idle play they have one vote but now you also have one

vote it's a one one you went on the revote but I don't think do we think is that what no they weren't thinking that so it doesn't make sense I mean no I think I mean my guess is they didn't factor in, like Christina probably didn't factor in the fact that if

Sage, Joanne or Sophie were lying. Like I think it was just that she was like, oh, we just got to throw an extra vote just so we don't go. Like I genuinely don't think that it was anything more complicated than that because what you're saying is absolutely true, right? Which is like you would know whether or not the minority

is doing a vote split, even though or I guess the other side, which would be the thought, the perceived majority if they, that's what they thought. that they were, you know what I mean? Like it, I think it was just a Christina potentially panic moment of like, we just got to protect ourselves just in case without actually thinking through all those logical steps that lead you to what your conclusion is.

What I find, what I find so fun is that, and Sophie speaking of, is that there was a secret scene this week, which for many reasons I wish made the episode proper that actually may have contributed low key to the boot this week where as we saw a bit on the episode that And Sophie tells Sof, you know, when she's approached about like the suspicions from Sage that Christina might have an idol. She then tells her about that. And soap actually follows that up by just yoinking Christina's bag right there, right then and goes through it. And she finds a set of beads that she doesn't recognize and is like, okay, I don't know if this is actually an idol, but it's idly enough that I am going to, you know,

you know, shift the target here to the metal people to avoid like our votes getting a skew or scoot anyway by throwing them onto the hyenas. And I think the irony of that too is like if Christina had discovered that people went through her bag and possibly found an idol, maybe she would have assumed that and was like, okay, if they're voting for other people, I don't need to use my own at this point. I mean, I think at least, you know, there's no immediate buyer's remorse at the end of the episode when they're like, you know what, at least it wasn't us. That was so painful.

The whole thing was so, I'm sorry, it was just, it was so painful to me. Like, firstly, Hina are so desperate to play their idols. Just desperate at the wrongly. And Rizzo just keeps holding on. It's like, again, it is the perfect encapsulation of what has happened in the season. The fact that Hina will keep incorrectly. Like, at least Christina held it for that one tribal council. Like, that's the best you can say about this at this point while actually losing the vote.

So, I mean, painful. I think the fact that it was just, it's hard to watch Hina get lapped just again and again. And again, because Olua are doing just like all the right things. You know, they, I think it's Savannah who's like, well, we'll put it on the swings. Perfect. But then Ritz was like, we should still let, make Sophie comfortable enough to choose. Perfect. Like, I thought Bluff was we'll talk about was great.

They used the extra vote so that they can save their idol. Like, it's painful to watch that Hina are like, like, even like Christina and Stephen are like, we're going to do a blind side. I'm like, oh, we're going to throw this vote. Didn't make sense. And then like, even at the end, like, well, we're still here. It's like, those are like terribly. Like, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, just, it was, it was, it was just, it's too chill. They're too happy to be there. Um, it hurts myself. Except for Sophie. Sophie was, uh, I know there's a lot of talk obviously about how, like, intense Savannah is, but look, it's Sophie coming through like that. Um, you know what I'm, uh, take your stories and stuff. I'm in a sack. Yeah, and like, what I loved was, and I mean, look, Uli, Uli, I think were maybe the six best characters of the season. Like all six Uli's, I think maybe was six through six.

and there's so much good stuff there like when Joanne goes and Sage is just like the way that he takes it so well but his partner and stage like I love watching that partnership and she's so heartbroken and so guilty and you can see in the next time on like she's coming for Sophie like so good and Hina are just their polar opposites

like he never have just been like bested in every way the idol was flushed the Rizzo Idol was not flushed like they had an ally go home like at least they were like correctly reading Sajun Joanne, I guess.

But, like, it just went so poorly. Like, the fact that Stephen and Christina were like, well, you win some, you lose some. It's like you haven't won in a long time, actually. At a point, you've got to win some, you know? So it's just killing me. Like, it's killing me more. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's like, it was like they lost

a limb and they're like, well, at least it was furthest away from my heart, you know? Yeah. It's just a lot. I'm not only others. Yeah. No problem. And the next then the next episode will they be coming back like and I'm excited to a blindside like

Hina I can't I can't even explain to the edit disparities that you were getting right now. They're really living for those glory days like they really peaked at the merge. It's like peaking in high school right. They're still wearing their letterman's jacket from the Merch tribe. They're like we got one over on it because yeah I mean if you look at

this season being a microcosm of yeah the Hina Uli war the only real there was a lot of friendly fire with Oolie with the Shannon vote and then the Nate vote was the same thing. Otherwise, Heena hasn't been winning a lot as of late and they weren't winning a lot in the beginning either, considering

that they lost Matt and Jason as well. Yeah, well, I think that's why I think I'm losing my mind. Like, I think it's like they never went to tribal council and then I just I think it's because I've ranted about so much on the podcast but I watched them, watch their allies go home. They didn't think about throwing a challenge or was never vocalized to us.

Just like, bye, Jason, bye Matt. All right, bye, bye. Okay, then they got a win. And now they're just getting just curb stomped every episode. And even then, they're not like, like, I actually like when Christina came back, like, and there's no, there's no middle ground. Christina's like, I want to quit or like, well, I'm like, look, a lot of the grief. Like, I mean, I can't speak to that.

And that's like very valid. But like, there has to be a middle ground of like, I'm not going to quit, but I'm like incensed about this. Like, stand up. Anyway, I can't. I didn't know. She did. She stood up to play her eye.

on Stephen. That's what you wanted, right? You're protecting each other. It's so obvious that it wouldn't be Stephen. But you see, it was so obvious, like, that they would go, it's like, Stephen is the obvious pick. It's like, yes. And would they do the obvious pick? I guess they were about to. But honestly, that is such a credit to Stajun Jawan, because I will say Stasion Juan had blindsided Oolie.

Right? We have to say before Sophie came to them, Station Juan actually did do that. So, yeah, credit to them. And it's interesting because, yeah, I'm so intrigued to hear from a Stephen or Christina eventually, like, why they felt so trusting in Sage and Joanne after the MC vote and after the Alex vote where they were-

hate Savannah so much. They're like, are you working with us at this point? But maybe again, it's because it was specifically Savannah. They're like, okay, she really means it this time. And to be fair, she didn't mean it that time. You know, she really was willing to jump on board. But yeah, it's it's an unfortunate little tugboat that these two are pulling right now as opposed to sort of like the cruise liner ship that seems to be helmed by

the trio at this point. Because even though they, you know, they lost the extra vote, they still have the knowledge as power. So like, granted, if one of them finds the idol, Soph could easily take a 50-50 shot and just be like, or a, you know, I suppose if Sage has it as well

as she could guesstimate and grab it there. And then, of course, Rizzo does have his idol, which I still think there's a very good chance he may never play at this point, because they do have if Sophie is, you know, keeping on with this group the outright majority from here on out. Mm-hmm.

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We're going to talk about the fake idol, though. Right? Yeah, let's talk about it. Yes. Oh, that was so awesome. That was so much fun. Yeah. So good.

So much. Yeah, first of, I was with, yeah, I mean, with believing Sage and Juana, I made more from a Uli perspective because I don't know how, like, it's actually not great for Savannah that she fully believed Sage. The one good thing that, that Heena did was that they correctly. believed at Leix Station, do you want? Yeah, I see a lot of takes on how this idol,

why this idol was bluffed. You guys have a good... Cinema was said a lot. A lot of people are saying cinema. A lot of people are saying Survivor 50. So, and maybe, it made the episode better for me. Yeah, I think that the two major schools of thought

that I've heard about this was that, A, it was a way to test Sophie's reaction, a la Nick Wilson and David versus Glythe which was unsuccessful where he's like okay if Sophie feels jumpy about it then alright then that means that she clearly flipped over to the other side

then I can use my real idol to save Savannah so this is a way to chum the waters the other side is okay well now people will think that the idol was fake the entire time I lean much more into the first school of thought than the second I'm so ready to do that yeah same because when he sits

down Juana's like okay now pull out the real one I know. Yeah. And that's when you want to play your idol, when the person that you are doubting tells you, wait, like the person who's meant to be your allies, like, no, you should play it. It's like, wait, why should I play it? Aren't you with me? Yeah, but though you're not with me, right.

But you're telling me to play it, but you didn't vote. Like, anyway, Chuan showed that he wasn't with Rizzo in that moment when it's like, you should play it. It's like, but we have a majority. The vote, so why would I need to play it? Yeah. No, I absolutely agree with Mike. I think it was also because,

and this could be for the cinema of it all, but the whole grandiose, he like took his time, he looked around, he paused, he stopped, he looked at everybody. Like,

that's a man who's gauging the faces of those people sitting in those stumps. So that for me is where I ultimately landed. But I could absolutely see all those other explanations being true as well. I think that Rizzo is somebody who has consistently said that he wants, I mean, he even says it in this episode at tribal council. He's like,

I'm here to have fun. I want to put on a show. I'm putting on a performance. like I'm doing this for doing this for the funzies. So I could see him doing it also for like not necessarily all strategic reasons. But yeah, sure, maybe he can try to get a read on Sophie. But also then he can do something that's going to make great TV. I'm confused because I just had the memory that like they all found the idol with Rizzo.

Like Sage was a part of that. Because my my theory was, I mean, definitely cinema first. Then I thought in terms of, yeah, I thought it now I'm thinking about it because it's like, I thought it was kind of brilliant to be like, I never had the idol. However, again, Uli were with him when they all fell. Yeah. So Sajun Juan have like really credible evidence of that. I did think it was that because I couldn't imagine it was a read. And here's why.

Sophie is so trustworthy. And if they have Sophie, they win. Like, in what world does Sophie not with them? Like in this world where Sophie's not with them, they have been blindsided by Sajun Jawan. They are voting for Stephen. They think they have the majority. And Sophie, and they're not playing the idol. So you can just vote Rizzo straight out with them.

the idol if you want. And Sophie comes to them and is like, they're actually not with you, which would be true in this case. I am with you, but she's not in this case. And then you should play the out on Savannah so they can vote Rizzo out anyway. Like, you could have just done that anyway. It would just be well over-complicating. And if anything, giving Rizzo more of a chance to try and discern what's happening, rather than just doing what they were doing, which was in this world where Sophie, when none of them are with him, just blindsiding him. And he says it in the episode. He's like, Sophie's even have so much information. He talks about Christina's Idol. She talks, you know, she gives them, she tells them, say she and you want, aren't with them.

Why would she do any of that if she wasn't actually with them when they already have a perfect plan? When they actually were blindsiding, Oolie, it was working. So I can't imagine he didn't trust Sophie. So I can't imagine it to read. But yeah, I did think it was kind of brilliant to be like, I've never had the idol. Imagine if I've never actually had an idol this entire time and it's been the main storyline of this merge. However, I am now thinking, like, I need to go back and see who saw him find it.

And also, to be fair, someone has the Ouli Idol, so you've got to be wearing anyway. He did find it by himself. Like, he was alone when he did. And then he turned to everyone and was like, I found it. Like, and I, no, I do. I believe, now that I'm thinking about it,

I believe he does show them the beads and says, like, this is for us. This is for all. But it could have been a fake. So it doesn't matter. That would have been a very long branch to extend yourself out on, on like, on like day 10 to be like, All right, everybody, this is a fake idol and it's a group idol

because, like, imagine if they did say, hey, Rizzo, things are looking real dire, play that idol on me. If he's like, bet, uh, by the way, it's a fake, that would not look really great for him. And it would screw over one of his allies in the process. Well, maybe if you're Sajun Jawan, it's like they all knew about it except us. Like we were being fooled the whole time. But again, someone has to have the Uli idol, surely.

so you'd still be wary that one of Savannah or Rizzo have the idol so I mean I don't know how much I think cinema was the main thing but I do think if you can somehow put any doubt in their mind that they aren't so focused on the idol I think that's the other thing I think the read to me is the least because so he deserves more than that

than trying to be read in that moment let me offer an alternate theory here because something that I'm incredibly intrigued by is that we know yes this this trio has been bred out of shared trauma from the loss of Nate Moore they shall rise anew

emboldened to move forward but we don't get a lot of sense as to like and I'll get granted it seems like we're going to hear from soap at least a little bit next week about like do I turn on the two of them it's we haven't got a lot from like Rizzo and Savannah personally about do they want to go to the end against the other one

and how do they feel their chances are is there an option that Rizzo did this as a way to kind of like claim this as his own you know and granted maybe Savannah steals that spotlight again when they have the whole fun

icy stare down moment between her and Joanne when he thinks he has her is like yeah it was me and then she's like nope actually it was me and him and her as well at the end of the day maybe it was Rizzo twice but yeah maybe he was Rizzo a little bit talking about obviously he was a major factor

behind the scenes of the MC vote and the Alex vote could this be something a bit more visible that he could claim as his own as well, maybe over Savannah, is like, I was able to make this big bluff with this idol when I knew I already had the votes, but it got people scared. It's a little bit of like a whole filled logic, but I think a lot of these arguments are our Swiss cheese at this point. I mean, I think it's definitely possible, right? Like, um, you have to imagine Savannah's winning all of these public immunities. So she's got that in her, her back pocket. She can talk about that. So if you want to try to set yourself up as like the

hidden immunity idol king she's the visible front facing immunity queen is that maybe that's what we're going for it's like both real and fake idols i'm going to play them all i think um i mean they've just been on the the quote unquote like bottom for so long that i just think they're probably doing anything they can to just like because even even rizzo says it's like if we get through this and i think this was last week like if we get through this vote then we can control this the one that just happened in this episode and episode 10 with the the extra vote like we just need to get there like we're clawing, clawing, clawing, clawing. Now, this is maybe the first moment where they feel like, oh, we're on the top now. Okay, maybe I should start making moves to differentiate myself to now

start to advocate to the jury in the same way, Shannon, that you were saying about Sophie, she needs to start thinking about who she's going to sit next to in the end. Maybe now this new majority alliance, Rizzo included, might start thinking about the same things. Yeah, I mean, I think any doubt that you can put into the idol when people are so sure that you have an idol, I don't think it's a bad thing. Like, even if it's just Heena and even if Stey's like, no, he definitely has it. It's like, well, did you see him find it? Was it a fake?

Like any of that doubt away from concrete information, I think is, you know, a good thing. We know knowledge. We know knowledge as power is in the game. You know, if you can put doubt there, like even the fact that Sophie, the secret scene where Sophie finds the bees is hilarious. It's so new era coded because it's not the idol that she finds. And it literally just looks identical to what they say with the Tremail Bees. They're like, these bees are slightly bigger.

I'm like, are they? Um, so, I mean, like any of that doubt, I think is a good thing. The, the funny thing is the main doubt you want to plant, I think is with Sophie B, um, because Miles was saying last week, like, the best thing. And I was so glad that Soviet didn't play her knowledge is power here, because I think if you were going to play it for the group, you could have stolen MCs way back when. But the hope that Miles and I had was that Sophie's move is to wait till five, Rizzo Sto as the idol, take the idol at five.

You become the Rizzo Killer before Sophie was going to become the Rizzo Killer at four in my mind, the other Sophie, and you've won the game, you know, just to get through fire. You've won the game at that point with, like, one of the coolest moves ever. The first idol stolen in US, like, history would be very cool. But Sophie knows he has, like, a real idol. But, yeah, again, if he could put that doubt, if someone does have knowledge and power, let's put in doubt. Why not?

Why should they have concrete information on you? I mean, that's just leverage. So I still think it was that. How much it'll work? I don't know. Again, even the fact that Juana isn't like, wait, you never had an idol. He's like, play the real one, ally. Yeah.

So I do, I don't know if it worked. I think that it, you know, flashy, great. If it puts in doubt, good, the read. I don't see the read for me. Yeah, I think that's something that's missing from the storytelling this season is how Rizzo is perceived. And maybe it is to hide a bit of either A, is he more of a, like, stealthy threat to win than we may know?

Or is it B, that, like, he's actually a goat and, like, nobody's really... We talked about this last week, Leona, right? One of the theories is like, oh, is he Xander coded? Like the reason why... He could not be a goat surely. I would imagine that's the case, but, you know... But I used to say that about Xander. I'm getting deja vu.

Exactly. That's the thing. It's what these young, lanky kids on Survivor and the goadiness aspect that is attached to them. But I would love to hear from people. And I also wonder if this will change a perception, you know, because if he was so behind the scenes, this is the most visible out-in-front move that he did do at tribal council. does that start changing? I mean, I look back to like Jam Jam and Carolyn, right? We're like, Jam Jam started only questioning Carolyn when she played the idol on Carson.

And it's like, oh, she's making a move that I cannot be inextricably tied to. This is not looking great for my prospects, even though it did at the end of the day. So I'm really intrigued to just see, yes, I don't know how much this will change the perception that Rizzo has an idol, but how much will this change the perception of Rizzo as a player now that he's made this big public display and rug yank at the last second. I don't think that it's a Xander thing. I mean, it can't just be, well, we don't care about taking out Rizzo's idol. I think he is a jury threat.

And I also think even if he wasn't a jury threat, you'd want to take out the idol. Like here alone, if they didn't have the extra vote, if what would have prevented them and the mole, from being able to keep Savannah, who they definitely want out. So they don't want him to have the idol. They want to be able to flush the idol. They're not just like not thinking about him and the idol, even if they're happy for him to get to the end.

So I don't think that I just think that they can't do it. I've watched them try, kind of. I've watched them at least talk about it. So I know that something's not talking to you're talking with your friends. You're like, you know, we should go on vacation together next year. And like nobody, nobody books the travel, no one books the airline. It's just, it's all like a prospective idea like, oh yeah, that would be great.

But nobody has the initiative to actually come over the plans. But like, I just hope every week that he'll just play it. that's what i mean kind of yeah but from a from a jury perspective i'm actually more impressed that he's never played his real idol than anything with the fake idol like to me the fake idol would just be like oh ha ha he's having fun i would take no serious credence to that if i were sitting on the jury what i would take serious credits with is him having the balls and not play that idol and feeling confident enough with his social reads that he's willing to hold on to it so for me that's probably the bigger jury or the the the move that would

impress me if I were sitting on the jury is not playing the idol. Nothing with the fake. The fake. That doesn't. I completely agree with you. I mean, especially looking at the other idols, again, like MC, Christina, and Alex needed it. But like, instantly and right, like none of them have negated any votes to Alex negated one.

The fact that Briseau has had the security to not just not protect himself, but to not protect his allies and they've all made it through is so impressive. You know, in every iteration, in the split tribal and like these it just, I mean, again, he knew would have played it five times by now, but I'm just

I'm not going to get away. No, I mean, that's, but that's the wild thing is that like he can make an argument saying this idol was actually the leader of our alliance because it not only protected me, it protected everyone around me because of the pure idea that I could play it

on someone else. Now, granted, again, they sort of wanted to call Rizzo's bluff and like, okay, let's throw the votes on. Though I guess the reason why they targeted to Vain in the first place was because I don't know if they expected Rizzo to play the idol on Savannah. And so, you know, maybe they didn't count unnecessarily that information getting out. But like, yeah, I mean, it's such a huge cogent argument that he would be able to make,

which is like, yeah, this thing is more a symbol than anything, right? This is a symbol of my power. This is the symbol of the fact that I, a 25-year-old string bean who, with his full bird-like chest, calls himself the Riz God in confessionals, he's running this game at this moment. What does that say about you? Yeah, and I think that's why, if you're like, Heena, you can't say at the end,

well, we didn't care, like, let him get to the end because he's not just using it to defend himself. Like, he's using it to, like, actively win the vote often. Like, he has to me just so much leverage with that idol for the whole of his Oolie group. So I don't think that you could say, well, we didn't care because we didn't see him as a threat. It's like, even if that were true,

you just gave me so much power. Like even if it was power to get people to the end and you thought you could beat me. Like, I often say this about it. It's like, well, you know, you don't want, I don't care to vote out this person if they're winning challenges as an example. I can beat them at the end.

It's like, but who wants to be at a final four when they're winning the immunity challenge or the final five? Like, it's just a lot of power and this idol is somehow even more. So it would not be a good argument to me and I don't think it's a true argument.

I think they want that idol out of the game. They're like, you win some, you lose some. I'm like, more like you lose most and you win on a couple of occasions due to the opposition tripping over the road two leases yeah they took a name right in that high um i do think what's interesting here is sage and juan because they have in their minds won a lot like they have been on the right side of everybody even though we've been like tearing our hair out of the decisions in their mind like this was this was a huge fall for us it was more like a gentle slide into

this clear inevitability but i think it's just so interesting and I loved that Sage felt so guilty. Again, I think it is the investment in Sophie. And I also think for Sage, what is so clear in this episode when we look at like, why was it Alex last week? And I think we said, you know, probably the fact that Savannah is immune. Like, they really do want Savannah out of it. Yeah. And then I think that being so zeroed in on Savannah has been deadly. Like, I think the fact that they, like I think, I think that Sage probably last week, specifically Sage, because she's so set on Savannah, probably was like, well, I'm not taking my shot at Oolie when I can't have Savannah. I'll take it next week. And at that point,

they had, the game was already lost. So I think that that's such an interesting thing for me from again, like, Sage and Juwon, two of the best characters, really fun partnership to watch. But I think we're operating on a level. It was getting like way too cute. Like, look at what Sage says. She wants to achieve from this. She wants to take out Savannah, flush Rizzo and Christina Zynolds. That's the thing for me is like, I was no one. Let's slash everything. It's like Juan is going home. Which also led to her, not necessarily tilting all these dominoes in motion because, again,

we assume that they already had Sophie and the advantages on their side. But like, that's the reason why she hints to Sophie, oh, rumor has it. Round the water cooler, they're talking about the fact that Christina has an idol is because it's too cute. She is trying to get this optimal ideal. And it makes sense, as you mentioned, for her to be a bit high off her own supply because, like, she has kind of helped handpick all of these boots so far,

starting with Shannon. Even every tribal council she's attended so far. She has not only been in the majority, but has seemingly from our perspective, directly contributed to who is going. So like, yeah,

it's kind of odd to say, but like was stage low key on a power trip here? And that's what partially led to her closest ally going. I think we saw it last week as well. They were like saying, we're in control. And I came into that being like, okay,

interesting because I didn't know what happened with MC. Like I thought maybe they were just like pressured. Well, I think they were pressured to do. I think they were pressured against the interest. But I thought maybe they were like, well, we want Sophie. We don't have the votes. It's a three three. Like I didn't know how that had happened. Like the fact that they are like, well, we've had so much agency in control. We've been actively making these choices, but it led them to hear shows like there was a rot

in the plans. And I think, yeah, I mean, they gave a lot to Sophie to yellow Sophie for her to be able to do this. And I guess they assumed. Sophie would be with them but even in a world where Sophie was with them like you know that it will have so much like you know that I mean you know at least about the idol and like you just you just know you just know they've been I mean they said at the time

so you said at the time when Savannah came to the split tribal like this you really just get to vote and it was interesting here that the extra vote wasn't actually numerically imperative which is hilarious to me because even when like the extra vote is like at its most powerful it's like technically they would have won on a four three one but I do think this was maybe I mean I need to look at it and I've been

very harsh on the extra vote through the years, but possibly the best used of the extra vote, because what it did was it saved them the idol. Because I don't think, yes, Yellow Sophie knew about the vote on Rizzo, I think that seemed like a really individual split. So she went in saying, play the idol on Savannah, the Sunday would have won with the idol. They're like, how about instead, we pay a lot less

we pay this extra vote and they thought they were going to win on a five-fourth. It saved them the idol, which, I mean, that's great, because that's way more valuable to them. Do you think Savannah will tell people next episode because it doesn't seem like nobody was doing the math during the MCD. The jury were. The jury talked about it.

The jury talked about it. So I wonder if people will also talk about it as well or if again they all seem a little little heat stricken, a little starving. They don't have rice, a little bum puzzles. So Savannah will have to sort of like volunteer the information of like oh yeah, by the way I got, it's trying to also maybe again, if we're talking about my fictional sort of like

one-uping battle between her and Rizzo to be like, oh, and by the way, everyone, I had an extra vote from the split tribal council that I used here to put the nail in Juan's coffin, like, that could be a fun way for her to start up the episode as she gleefully dances on the grave of her, like, one-sided rival. I mean, why not, right? Yeah. I think I would only mention it, though, if other people bring it up. Otherwise, I would kind of save it, because especially if Sophie, for example, feels a type of way about the fact that Savannah hit an extra vote, that could be a concern. But I mean, I can't imagine

Somebody's got to go back there And get the fingies out And start doing some counting So count the damn votes What are someone going to do To have the votes counted around here They didn't do it after split tribal Yeah, well they read out all five votes

Like at a point At a point read like count the votes But I mean if the jury are working it out You would think that maybe they would And it's better than at the split tribal Because then it's like wait Who saved the vote? Like what happened here?

This is like I played it You know it's not a three to you anymore. It does make me more of a jury threat. But also, Savannah's, Savannah at this point has, like, made the bed of the way she's perceived. She's not, like, super well-liked, but she is a huge threat. Like, it, yeah. I completely agree. Like, say

for, like, if she has, a, speaking of another Sophie, if she has, like, a Sophie Clark -esque, like, break down a tribal council, which maybe warms the perception of her, like, that might change how people view her a little bit, but it doesn't really matter. Because, again, I don't think she's necessarily

viewed as, like, under the thumb of everybody. If anything, she's the palm. She's the hand. She's the one that seemingly is like, she's scary. Do you see the way that she just rattles you by asking you the audacious question of who are you voting for? Do you see her directness that brings you to your knees

with how out of nowhere it is? And she can win challenges. Like, I don't know. I think that that's why again, the Savannah Rizzo, insert other person here in Final 3 is so intriguing to me because we have this classic example, right? of like the person who is perceived externally as like the one quote unquote running the show.

And then you sort of have the person who behind the scenes is seemingly running things. And it's always intriguing to see who wins out from those positions at the end of the day. I just think like Savannah, I mean, it's hard for me to get a path that she's like just so disliked. And I'm like, look, it's great TV. But does she have to be like so openly antagonistic to these potential jurors? Like in so many ways, it's fun. I mean, I think Jawan will take it well. Like she gives Juana hug on the way out.

He's coming for her. She comes for him. And that's a big sign of respect of like, I mean, what could she not respond with except for like, you were getting me so I had to get you, you know? Like it's not like a personal punching down moment. If anything, she was just kind of wildly swinging to make sure she got out of the corner she was backed into. Yeah, for sure.

I mean, the Juan stuff I think is fine, even the fact that she is like literally like laughing about things he's saying at tribal council. We see she's like, I'm going to mess with him. It's like, does she need a mess with him? I think Ju-Wan is the best sport, maybe here. The Christina stuff, you know, I don't love that. I mean, and maybe she thinks maybe she'll sit next to Christina, but I think that would be a good bet,

but I also don't know that that necessarily is how it ends up. Because I know we should talk about that scene where Christina's like, who are you voting for? Well, no, so sorry, she's like, I want to be a number. Savannah's like, who are you voting for? Christina's like, one moment, please. Yeah, literally like to see. It's like BRB.

There's so much here that's like, it's just so funny like yeah like does savannah need to be openly antagonistic like i don't think she should be like i don't think she at the end of the day this conversation is completely irrelevant like there are two people who know that the other one is voting against them there are most of this tribe is a mole three-eighths of this tribe is a mall not these two people we know we're coming for at least each other side if not it's like uh you gotta go see an oncologist when your tribe is three-eighths moles something carcinogenic is living there many moles it's genuinely it's concerning i do yeah so like it's we see this conversation is

all the time. One of my favorites is in token teens when everyone's working like Timbira are all working with JT. I think it's at the merge on either side but they all have a conversation about how they're all voting for JT it's like everyone here is lying this is a pointless conversation and it's even it's so evident here. So you

almost might as well not have the conversation but like yeah just openly lie like nothing you say is important but maybe just don't put off a potential juror Savannah and for Christina like have part two of the opener you know I'll vote with you. Okay, who are you voting for? You tell me. Anyone?

Steven? Whoever, my point, use me. I will vote for whoever you tell me to vote for. Do I have need to push Stephen under the bus? Are you doing a 3-3-2 split? Then yes. I will vote for you know what I mean? Like, nothing you say matters, but also you both couldn't have done worse. That's the thing. Like I totally agree that I think, you know, I could understand and if the way that Savannah sort of approached the directness of that conversation is the way she approaches the directness

with a lot of conversations. And like, that could be a key insight as to how is she sort of building relationships outside of the trio and how might that negatively affect her when it comes to a jury situation. But then also, yeah, Christina, you don't need to take like improv classes to be able to respond to yes

and this, right? To be like, oh, yeah, anybody, sure. Just I don't anyone voting for at this point. Like, I was voting for X, but I could vote for anyone that I that you want me to at the end of the day. Like, it needs to be open. It can be as open as you are claiming yourself to be. Yeah. It's interesting. It's kind of a slightly different version of the Jam Jam

Jam strategy of let me like really get to know people. So and like have them tell me when they're telling the truth. So that way I can read them when they're lying. This is just Savannah's approach, which is let me just berate them both in truth and can lie. And then we'll see when they crack. So maybe maybe that's what it is. I like that travel council law Savannah's like you've got to pick up on the way they're operating and how does their body language and just like, yeah, you really picked up on the subtlety of Christina taking five steps away from your conversation away from you when you asked her who she was voting for.

Really, like Sherlock Holmes could not do better, my lady. It is also the fact that she was like, I didn't like that. It was like, we have to, well, the question, she said it in a, in a, like, confrontational way. And I understand that the way, like, it's not even as much of, like, what Savannah's doing than, like, how she's doing it. And, like, people feel the type of way about her. and the jurors will, you know,

will decide how they feel about that and that's something if all of these players have to deal with and their own social game. However, you would think, I mean, to be fair, the question she asked is, who are you voting for? Was, like, it wasn't like, yeah. I mean, like, any, there are so many more difficult questions.

Yes. You know, that's nothing. Yeah. Just, just lie. That's something. Like, if you were, if you were practicing, if you were trying to rehearse with a scene partner to practice lying for Survivor, this would be like example two right like the first one would be what's your job that's the number one thing you're supposed to lie about and the second one is like who are you voting for like you should have been able to drill this you know alongside fire making and slide puzzles I will say like I think best episode of the season like every episode there's going to be stuff from like uh um three boys on a bench like sure again it's in my head but like it was it was the straight cut from like who are you voting for to I've I melted down as a human

being into Savannah being like it's because I was a news reporter I was like the laptops going out the window I can't watch the staff season anymore like it was all of it in the space of Savannah knows how to ask those gotcha journalism questions like who are you voting for really dig it into the core of who you are she's just yeah I mean and yeah she was she was a news reporter in the past so she was yeah I hope that her interviews went a lot go a lot better what what type of news reporter was Savannah? Now we know she must have been heart hitting, right? Like maybe that is the issue.

From what she was telling me, maybe it's because of the unfortunate situation she found herself in that sort of bred this trauma. She talked to me about the fact that like, she had to do some really tough shit, like going into the homes of drug dealers and talking with criminals on the street. Oh, this makes so much sense.

It feels like she was sort of relegated away from the puff pieces and towards like the, all right, let's put you face to face with a dangerous individual. And so again, it makes sense why she's incredibly scrappy. I'm treating everyone like a drug dealer. That makes so much sense. Because if you told me she did puff pieces,

I would have been like, how did that go? And the news reporters are just being like, and tell me what you was like when you got that kitten out of that tree. You know, like, I don't think that that, yeah, no, this makes total sense. Like, everyone is a criminal. So actually, actually the analogy that is annoying me the entire season actually explains a lot about her.

Mm-hmm. It fits. It fits. Yeah. Can we talk about this rights negotiation? for a second because I you know obviously when this secret scene hit our airwaves about Sophie finding Christina's idol even though it wasn't the idol again it helps like slightly nudge things into motion and I think the very first thing a lot of people were saying was why did we cut this but we kept in I'll just use the adjective useless three minutes sequence of the rice negotiation just to read the stats off a bit to count on my own face as you say, Leanna. The past four seasons, so 46, 47, 48, 49,

three times nobody has negotiated for rice. Everyone has stood their ground and said, nope, we are not doing it. Even season 48, which I think a lot of people maligned is like the most kumbaya, lovey-dovey new era season, they all refuse to sit out a challenge to get rice. And Survivor 47 only did it because they navigated a loophole

and said, well, if nobody sits out, how about all of our shots in the dark sit out instead for the rest of the game? How about we send them to the jury? So I feel like it's not exactly going out on a limb to say that this has unquestionally become a failure. And I'm sort of trying to figure out where this lies. Is it the repetition?

Is it the fact that as Savannah does wisely call out, a la the drug dealer she's used to commiserating with, this is not a negotiation at the end of the day. Well, the funniest part to me was who actually ended the negotiation in this season was Jeff being like, well, okay, sounds like you guys aren't going to negotiate so well, then I'm not going to negotiate with you. Like all of a sudden when Savannah was like, well, let's see. Let's see what he counters with. And Jeff's like, no, I'm not going to negotiate with you. That was how it felt to me as a viewer.

So that was also like a new outcome. for this, where Jeff is actually the one who, like, really puts the kibosh on it. But I think for me, it was watching and then hearing Jeff say, you have seven days left. Seven days. I think they'll be fine for seven days. Like, that's probably going through all of their heads. So I think if you're going to do the rights negotiation, you have to do it earlier in the season. I am so sick of this.

Like, when did they, when did he, when did he knife the bag? That was 45. So that was the time right before we hit the streak. That was the peak. And we're never getting back there again. I don't know, what was 46? I don't even remember. So 46 was the first time

that everyone just outright refused to do it. And then they set up something in a future challenge where it was like, okay, if you sit out, you get an individual portion of rice, which Liz and Venus did. Okay. Jeff should go to improv classes with Christina. Like, at this point, like, they didn't say no.

Joana was interested in doing something. Yes. In fact, Juana was actively like encouraging Jeff to, to neg them to like buy them down because I love that Savannah's like all right let's work out there Jawan just comes in how like

aha how about a quarter quarter how about a quarter but if he's willing to if he's willing to individually sit out for some rights for the tribe how much more interesting is his vote do they still vote out to one who has just done this for all of them when he's the one who didn't have a shot at immunity

they have to they have to right so if he wants to she doesn't want stage do they change it based on the rice like now this is actually something that should be in the episode which Jeff Jeff actually gains from them making this agreement because it's good for them to have rice and they can think. It's good than people can think. And also, then they've made it interesting to see

it's good when they sit out because, okay, are we going around it? Are we just voting out to one anyway? Like that's stone cold. He did this for us to have rice. He sat out of his chance of immunity. Now he's vulnerable with taking him out. All of that is interesting. The fact that Jeff is like, no, it's like, why did you offer it? Why is this on the show? It should maybe be a secret scene. And I don't even know.

It wouldn't be, it would be one of like the secret scenes where they read email for me, when I'm like, I didn't need this in my life. Jeff was saying you don't want to negotiate where you have Joanne offering up to sit. What are you talking about? That is. The man was like, let's hear what he's got to say. And this is what Jeff had to say.

Basically, he said, well, you've already negotiated with me because you've shown that you are willing to put your life on the line to earn immunity. But Joanne wants to sit out. Let us see. But that's like that's a metaphoric offer. If I'm sitting down to negotiate a salary, I can't be like

well listen, I know you want a $10,000 raise, but you've clearly shown to me that you're a dreamer and that you love your job. Bye. Yeah. The month updating the resume. You need something material.

You need something substantial. This is, but you can tell that Jeff loves this because of what it says about the new era. Like look how hungry they are for rice, but for the win and everything. And that's why put it in the show as well because A, the rights negotiation is so important in the new era. Like, it's such a staple, like, rice is meant to be. And, um, and also because it just shows,

you know, how much they want it. It's like none of that is interesting. What actually would be interesting is if Juan, A, sat out alone and then maybe got voted out or it changed the outcome in ways that now this is relevant. Or B, if he then maybe was like, okay, well, Joanne, you can't sit out alone, but two people can sit out for half as he was offering. Who's the second person? Like, this is the whole point. It's like, who feels comfortable enough? And Juan actually did.

Like, there's something actually there. The fact that Jawan was saying that and then immediately go put it out, there's something there that's just negated so quickly because Jeff won't allow it to move. You have to let the players be creative when they're trying to be interesting, Jeff. So, like, let it just let it play out. Like, let's just see what happens, right? It felt like that was not even an option. I mean, who knows?

Maybe they, maybe they stood around and talked about nothing. for 10 minutes and then Jeff was like, okay, well, fine, you're not doing it. But then don't even include it in that way. I think that's exactly it. It's like, if that's where it got you and actually the negotiation just like fell apart and they just racked it up, okay.

But then it's a secret scene. Maybe. Maybe it definitely was worse than Sophie finding the beads in the bad. The other secret scene was Rizzo, I think, looking for an idol. I'm going to be going also. Look, there's 90 minutes of content.

But even with that, I don't think that this I don't think that this yeah is that too much complaining about it that it shouldn't be but like because the thing is

in Australian Survivors this definitely doesn't make the episode and Australian Survivors like 100 hours long but I know that Australian Survivors had things before where they've even like way back when

they've had even like little individual awards where like they got a pizza and someone had to like I don't remember when this was it's like on the tip of my brain but like someone and it was never on the show

someone had to like work out how much pizza everyone got or whatever and they just didn't put it in because it just didn't end up being interesting In Australian Survivor, they will not put it in unless it serves a purpose. Sometimes that purpose is completely fabricated.

However, it will serve a purpose. So, yeah, they just definitely. I mean, I think that, yes, it is kind of, you know, wild and retrovertive through an episode that I think we largely all enjoy through, you know, the chaos and excitement and unexpectedness is the fact that like, yes, this was just like a kind of a pointless thing. It wasn't overtly contributingly negatively to the episode. on the other hand I do think that having this play out

the way that it did is very emblematic of something that I've been talking about for a while with this season in particular which is like I feel like the new era of Survivor was giving the show a facelift that 40 seasons in it's like

okay seeing some wrinkles here there's some crow's feet going on the jowls are sagging a little bit like let's try some things to give it a little bit of a nip and a tuck to really try to have it look fresh and shiny and new again. But now the Botox has kind of worn off. You know, like now those wrinkles are back.

The crow's feet have emerged once more. And so it's a little bit looking at this season and things like, you know, the three tribe structure and the rights negotiation and the split tribal council as more of a repudiation on like, we don't need to do these things. We've never needed to do these things. And I think that's maybe what prompts the response from all of us is less so about the direct impact it had on this episode and more so as like a

as we're closing out, you know, the 40s of Survivor. I hope we are. What did the rice negotiation represent, if anything? Yeah, I mean, all of these things are so new era coded. Like all of these things, like if you say new era, a million things come to mind.

Like, there are so many things. Like this episode alone, three boys on a bench, the rice negotiation. No, I will say, yes. We're ragging on three boys on a bench. but like, I, Everidge Farm remembers Gabe Gabe Cade from Survivor Marquesis cringially rapping on the beach.

Like, making musical stylings has been around since the very first episode of the show. Yeah, I've got nothing dense rap. It's just a type of note. I think it's, no, it's not even that. Like, look, they're trying to have fun. I do think the fact that they're like, the new era is so theater kid coded.

It's becoming a little bit self-parody. I mean, certainly, as I said, like, the fact that it's like, it's because I'm a news reporter, like, so, but no one knows. like there's just some things where I think it's that because the contestants are it's because the contestants are so aware of the show and themselves that it doesn't feel natural

I think that's what it is like I think when it's happening way back when I mean they're probably trying to be entertaining but they're not it's not like a formula that's like well-worn that they know is going to get its certain reaction whereas now I think it's because we're so in the weeds like it's so meta that it just feels

it feels like a formula. I think that that is what it is. I'm so glad you brought that up because there is something that I really want to talk about from the entire sequence around Christina. Now let me say first and foremost that like, God, my heart went out to her so much. Like, clearly there was maybe some teasing,

some rumbling to the promo to be like, oh, is this going to be another Liz situation? Clearly not. And I think, you know, I have not. lost a parent yet. I'm very privileged in that aspect, but like you could just feel viscerly how incredibly frustrated she is by that aspect. And it's weird, right? Like, yes, this is the game of Survivor. It should be separated from your life outside of it. But like, she has hit a personal low at this point. It's been part of like a series of losses that she has

kind of experienced since the merge. And not only does it harken back to a very big loss in her life, but also like, you know, then in that moment she's trying to seek that source of comfort only for her to remember that she lost her biggest source of comfort years ago. Like, God, my heart went out to her so much in that moment and I very much understood her need to just like vent and get it out there.

And for what it's worth, I actually think for the most part, Jeff handled this really well. I think as much as we malign the sort of like therapist, Jeff that sometimes comes out during these emotional moments, it didn't feel exploitative. I think he just gave her time to sort of like sit in that

to speak, to sit in that silence and then for him to be like, listen, I don't know your mom from Adam. It sounds like she was an incredible woman. I think you are representing her in so many ways. She is here with you in so many ways out here.

And you know, that manifests in a lot of success that comes in this challenge. All that is to say vested within all this emotional segment is one choice quote from Jeff that he said a couple of times but he mentions I think for the first time on the show here which is the game of Survivor gets you here that's the lure but the experience you get while playing the game is the real prize that is his entire credo for the new era in my opinion it all boils down to that that it is not necessarily about like all right

people pick to cut each other's throats in the pursuit of a million dollars, and it's more so about how it's coming out to this game where you are deprived of so much, literally starved of so much, how is that going to change who you are fundamentally as a person? And it has happened before previously, perhaps coincidentally in seasons before the new era, we have seen people come onto the show and not need to undergo that transformation in the new era. But this to me is a fundamental, I think, shift that has prompted a lot of polls. polarized opinions about where the show currently sits in terms of philosophy. I mean, I think it's very Survivor mancoded, right?

Doesn't it feel like that with being birthed into Survivor and the amniotic mud and all of those kinds of things? And maybe I'm Bernstein bearing this, but like I do feel like he mentioned it in the 41 monologue at the very beginning of the new era or something like that. Like the new era does feel absolutely gross coded in the sense of you're going on survivor. It does not matter the outcome. We're going to tell your story of who you are and your struggles on this island. And that's the story. It's not about the game and who's going to win. I mean, yes, of course, it's embedded within that, but so much of it. And I think 48 especially really

captures this, which is sort of this journey growth narrative arc where you see, you know, the main character is being Joe and Eva and their whole story arc being like really key points within the show. So I mean, yeah, look, I think that that's accurate. I think, think to go back to your other analogy, Mike, earlier of the filler and the Botox of it all, I feel like it's time to dissolve the filler. You can keep the upper bloodthroplasty and the disport, but you have to get rid of everything else. Like, we're going to take those nips and tucks that we like. We can keep those, but then we can throw everything else out. Yeah, I mean, I don't think that, I think that it's a really good point because I don't,

I don't think that that's how a TV show should be made. Like, it shouldn't really be about the experience of these 18 people are having. At the end of the day, Survivors are brutal game and it will test people and they will grow. That will just naturally happen. But I think the focus on that seems ham-fisted. You know what I mean? And I look, and every week I've come in, just great. It's so good.

This is like my last season of the US covering for the foreseeable future. I think about it all the time. Before you have your own child to be birthed into amniotic mind. Before I go through my own growth. Is Jeff going to set up, by the way, like the big mud pit that you're going to crawl under when you're in labor? What?

Yeah, some people have like a water birth. You're going to have the amniotic mud birth. Because you are that big of a survivor fan. Obviously. That's not at all. And you're going to toss the baby into the basket like they did with those, those buoys. I don't believe the one you're not going to is everyone says that the net challenge is like a birth. Oh yeah, crawling through it.

Like the one that you, the bottle one. Anyway, that's not, that's not, that's not, anyway, I'm having a C section. It's not what I'm doing. but um which is already something you have to win that up a girl dig deep yeah so anyway why are we talking about this my point is that

why were we talking about this we were talking about the idea on the experience and I think that for what it's worth again we we've had we've had this happen just naturally on its own

I think that's the key word is natural like we've had people undergo these big growth I mean look at someone like Cochran for instance like his metamorphosis between his first season and his second season, I think the key difference is it's not actively presented in front of our faces. And yes, I know that... It's not so heavy-handed also. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, being the priority, right. And I think that's also what ties into, again, you know, some of the

common complaints about the new era, which is like, oh my God, we're getting all these personal backstories. Like, I think that's getting tied in because it's saying, oh, so-and-so is feeling imposter syndrome because of this previous trauma of the experience that look what they were able to become now. I think it all stems. This is like sort of the main center of the sunflower from which all the petals of the new era have grown around. Yeah, I think it's like if you, if everything's about, and this is again, when nine seasons into this and we're still complaining about something that I think has been an issue from the beginning. But I think if it's about how can you grow, how can everyone grow? How is it about that experience? Like, is any of that

growth earned? And yes, it is. But it's easy to then look at that and be jaded about it. Whereas if it's like, Survivor is so hard, people do grow. We pick those best stories and we tell them. And some people don't grow and they just like cut their way through. Like the Richard Hatch grow? No. You know, like that wasn't what he was there to do probably, right? So his jail time grew.

I think it's the exact, geez, it's the exact thing that we always complain about, about this. And then I will stop bitching about the new era. But because it's been nice, because I get sick of myself bitching about it. because it's so many years. But I think it's because it's the intention. Like, we want to see you grow and then that's what we're going to showcase. What it should be is you're 18 people. Do what you will.

Grow or not. And if you do, we're going to show it. And if you don't and you're a sociopath who just wants to, like, vote people out and we're going to show that. You know, like, but it's led from the players. And I think that it's because everything feels so not manipulated, but like it has so much of that, not even that agenda, but it's so much from production, then we just look at it and we're like, well, we're jaded about it. Yeah, because for what it's worth, like, I think Joanne is a fantastic example of it being

player-led. Like, I think all the way that his storyline was presented was incredibly natural from last week with him talking about, you know, him needing to be sort of the caretaker of his family. And so him having a lot of troubles just sort of receiving gifts through the fried chicken reward of it all through even this episode where what is he did? When everyone's down, he's got to go out there and he's got to fish to the best of his ability. Like that just feels like very good grounded natural storytelling to me about a naturally built-in growth arc.

So again, it's not to say that it's all artificial in the new era. I really don't think it is. And I think they still have the capacity to represent that growth in so many ways. As you mentioned, it doesn't necessarily need to happen to everyone. Yeah. Yeah. My God. How much time?

This is how I'm going out. Do you think the 50s are the same? I will raise my child happily. If the 50s are different, I'll have photo. You know, like, are we going to go back to regular Survivor? Let's see how it goes. But, yeah, it's been a long few years. And a lot of it's been good.

Can I actually say this? This is something I wanted to say. This is like a tangential point. But I think a lot of the New Year is really good. You might be surprised by that. I think 42, 46, 45, 47 are all, like, really good survivor seasons with, like, cringe moments in them because the new era. But it's so interesting.

I was talking to a friend about this, like, who's a casual of Australia and the U.S. And I was like, how are you enjoying the season? She was like, yes, like all the other new era seasons. And I was like, it's not a great season. And the last season wasn't a great season. I think that those are like, like, I think 47 is great. And I think 48 and 49, 49 is getting better. But I think they're like eons away from like a 47 or the run we had from 45 to 46 to 47.

But she was like, they're all the same to me. Like, I can't tell you why 47 is different from 48. And to me, again, those are like polar opposite seasons and, quality. So it's interesting that the new era is so samey that it stops any season from being above like, I think for the casuals. Like for us, like we could name the boot orders of every new era season. But like I think it's, there's a threshold of how good it can be. And that to be fair, I think that threshold is probably pretty low. However, it also I think stops in their mind the seasons from being particularly bad because they're all kind of just the same level.

Like sometimes that level is actually a little flattering, I think. But it's also damning to seasons, I think are way better than that. I think I completely agree. Because I do think that like, yes, there are a lot of bells and whistles, again, nips and tucks that come with the new era. But like, I would still put 45 through 47 up there in particular. I was like maybe the strongest three season stretch. I love 42. And 42 as well. But like, you know, the consistency that we had those three seasons in a row, like, it's kind of unparalleled across the show's history. But, you know, I think even if you ask some people about this season, they're like, what do you think about it? It's like, it's a new era season. And like the fact that that label is a

I think very much speaks to your point. But this season, like, 48 is not just a new era season. Like, 48 is a really bad season of Survivor. But, like, you know what I mean? But then that's actually flattering to 48. But that's, like, terrible for 45. Do you know what I mean? There's like, there's like one consistent sort of bar that's set.

Yeah. And it's like, and that's like, that bar might be like a four out of 10, which is awful for them of the seasons that are way better. But like, maybe 48 gets out of that a little unscathed that it just gets to be a new era season. That's not how I remember it. I thought it was torture. It was bad.

It was really bad. Yeah, I just think that's interesting. It's like if you want to be at like a little bit less than mediocre level, they've nailed that. The people who aren't thinking about it as much as I am. Yeah. I mean, I think, again, this is an opportunity. Like I know we've gone super tangential about this past half hour.

But again, I think this season can be looked at as an opportunity to sort of be an examination of the new era and the choices that have been made from the players, from production. from the editing, from, you know, the audience, et cetera. And again, not to say that 49 is entirely representative of everything that's happening. Because, again, I think there's been a lot of good that exists in there. But I don't know, I like using this as an opportunity to sort of do a little bit of enable gazing and look back upon all the decisions that have been made over the past four years or so. And, you know, we're nearing the end of this.

I think 50 is going to feel obviously incredibly different. And 51 might be even more different. So like, this is kind of, this could possibly be our time to sort of check in on the quite literal end of an era here and look at what may have worked, what worked out the time, what doesn't work now, and what they could, as you mentioned, Leanna, try to carry forward with them into whatever the 50s might be. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely going to be interesting to see, you know, ultimately, if any feedback is taken into consideration and what ultimate changes.

if finney get made into you know into 51 right um how potentially the outcome of 50 shapes the new era as the new new era I guess I don't know whatever the 50s are going to be called so I'm you know I'm just like I'm I'm holding out judgment I'm gonna wait I'm gonna see and I'm very curious to see what 51 has in store I mean look I for one was incredibly excited for season 41 totally The phrases? Oh my God. Iconic. We peaked at the phrases on the way, by the way.

But that's the thing. Like the phrases was such a good type of new era energy. Yeah. Where it's like it's a little looser. It's a little goofy. Yes, they're forced to do these things. But it's done in the funniest way

where you have this rancher from Wyoming, bumbling and bumbling over this odd analogy about him having a broccoli head or whatever. Like, that was just good, clean fun, you know? I mean, it's never going to better. I still I have the mug I'm confused as a goat on astro turf like that lives rent free in my head so that's that's kind of like the energy that I'm hoping and I do feel like as we've trailed through from kind of 41 now to 49 I do feel like you know okay we've gotten a little bit stale we've gotten a little bit repetitive we're trying things that really aren't maybe aren't working so well so is this kind of like the kick in the pants that's needed in order to remember those good fun things reinvigorate them and go into 51 with that same attitude. So that's what I'm holding

out to hope for. Totally. The craziest thing would be if we like got to 51 and it was just exactly the same. Oh my God, but what if it's like two tribes? Like even if it's just like two tribes. Oh my God. Two tribes. I'd be so thrilled. I'd be so exact. Yeah. I mean, and I think we don't know because the crazy

thing about it is that survivors never had to run even remotely this long of the same structure ever. Yes. But they chose for the new era, which is insane. So we don't know in a way. We're assuming, because we don't know. Like, technically, what if they just do go back to 51? They could.

They could do it. It's really Schrodinger's season where, like, we don't know. And I don't think production even knows at this point. I mean, Jeff has at least said in interviews that he's like, well, we're going to wait to see how 50 is received before we move into 51. I will also say, by the way, I do think a lot of concepts for 50 have been soft launched in 49. Like I think like I think like the lack of mergatory Is something I think like the merge

I don't know if they start with two or three A lack of mergerary The lack of mergatory The regular merge just a regular merge Yeah like I think that's That was soft launch here like an extension It wasn't soft launch year It was soft launched in 2000

Soft relaunched I should say Unwrapped Microwaved Leftovers take it over I would say that the like Swapping to two tribes Then maybe swapping again I think an extended pre-merge

compared to other seasons, all things that were done in this season, that's a little out of the ordinary. I don't think it's as far as, like, them piloting edge of extinction before winners at war. But it might be some interesting structural things to look out for 450 proper.

Yeah, possibly. Well, we never get to talk about you and a survivor. So it's fun to, I mean, even though it's a lot of complaining. Like, I came in, I said to Mike, I'm like, I have all these feelings. I can't say on the podcast. Cut to me just, like, ranting about Hina. And I think I gave what I had in the end.

So, yeah. well listen we we love the energy the verb and we also love a man who represented that energy in a very different way out on the island that is joan now joan uh really really great interview out there on i'm not just saying that because he said he listened to my content to prepare for interviewing for jeff hopefully i don't take people but he said he watched australian survivor he did say he watched australian survivor as well uh i'm sure one of the many conversations he couldn't have with Nate until they actually got to jury

or like, we are so alike and we just didn't realize it, you know? Yeah, Survivor thing is the thing they're talking about and not that Nate is like

Joanne's favorite person, but Joanne just didn't know. The Marvel perspective. Well, I think Nate really needs to like, I mean, listen, he's a Marvel executive. He knows how to phase these things in, right?

I think he starts with Australian Survivor. Then he's like, by the way, I also live in California. Oh, by the way, I produce Black Panther in the Captain America series. That's when you really lead him to that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

I see, I missed Ponderosa, but I really, I'm sad, we're not going to get that moment. That would be like, like, if someone just took off a wig, like, Hannah Montana style and was like, well, I guess anti-Hanna-Wontanstan was like, I was Taylor Swift this whole time. And I was like, I wasn't working with you. I voted you out. I flipped and I voted you out, Taylor Swift. Like, I want to see that moment. But you still have to talk to Juan, right? I still have to talk to Ju-Juan.

Oh, my God, please ask him about that. Oh, yeah, you know, you know it is on my list is to ask about what has. Now, I granted, there's a chance that Nate may not reveal that information until the live after show, right? Because that seems to be kind of like the wellspring for everyone coming forward with their secrets and saying, yeah, this is what I actually am. But like, it's, again, this is a natural connection that we thought was going to happen to the point where, getting into our predictions. That was something I kind of banked a lot of life. A lot of people did. A lot of my Jo-Wan credits on here.

So I did have Joanne going pre-jury, but I did have him making the merge. I had him in that like 12th place spot. I said, while Nate does not open up to Joanne about his secret identity, the two immediately lock in as black Marvel fans working in the entertainment industry. A self-recllaimed people-pleaser, Juan will try his best to become the provider of Uli. We'll get some scene of, I never would have expected a kid from Jersey to be out

fishing in Fiji, only for him to return with a fish as small as the job market for video editors. Oh, my God. Mike, what the hell? That was amazing. Jesus. Well, all downhill from there. Well, that's very high. That's like the beware advantage phrases.

Well, everything is copacetic during the pre-merge at Uli. Once the merge hits, suspicions about having something are at a fever pitch. So with the dynamic duo separated during the split tribal council, Joanne is sent to the cutting room floor. as much as he said he appreciated

the more aggressive players like Say and Rome he got done in by one in the form of Savannah who takes him out. Though he's voted out unanimously by 5 to Jawan Oof, he'll get a hefty consolation prize as RHAP will immediately enlist his services to

make fan cams about Rob on the Traders. That's a... Oh, that's nice. That's a bit of a TTI too. You don't know if that epilogue will be true or not. His ally was Nate and his enemy was Savannah. That's nice to give him a job. Yeah, is this

Mike hiring him? No, I also had, I believe, in my Nate prediction that Nate also hires Joanne to work for Marvel. Oh, we all thought that. We did all think that was their possibilities were endless. Again, we don't know

that's not true at this point. The information just may not have been revealed. You asked Juan to Markle? I will ask Joanne specifically. Are you working for Marvel right now? Blink twice if yes. Yeah, and is a TV Marvel or movie Marvel because I feel like that's different as well.

I mean, you take your shot on TV. Some of the TV shows are pretty good. Wondervision is my favorite thing they've done. Anyway, Leanna. Yeah, so I also did not, I had even lower hopes for Joanne, which by the way, so happy I was wrong that we got more of Joanne on this season. I thought he was super nervous in his video with Mike. So I had him going pre-jury.

I said that Joanne enters the game as the self-proclaimed people pleaser of Uli. but his real talent is forming one accidental rider dies with people on the bottom although he and Shannon bond instantly over the chaotic storytelling and unfiltered commentary the rest of Uli finds their duo

a lot like a lot a lot wanting allies over advantages Jawan refuses to go on a journey and tries to build trust the old school way but this puts the final nail in the Jawan coffin as now the majority knows he does not have

any advantages. Despite being the first boot on Uli, Jawan goes out with the most positive attitude, excited to be a super fan turned game player. His ally was Shannon, his enemy was the rest of Uli. He did go out with a great attitude.

That is true. He is unfortunate though. He did go on the journey though, and he actually used that really well. He's comforted Sage. She was the one that was crying out. I know. I know. Listen, sometimes you swing and you strike out. It's all right. I think that that whole sequence was I as much as I love the bluff in the moment

I think that was my favorite moment that interheed and stealing the torch which is hilarious oh my god so funny I think it just showed like the fire and ice that is the juan sage pairing yeah the fact that he's like hey we made the wrong decision you know she goes there's so much guilt

about the fact that their agency and the actually huge power they have massive led them there and the fact that juan is so okay with it like it's again I don't relate I could never be I would be more like sage definitely and she's been spared and she's just so guilty like in that moment she probably would prefer

it was her I just it was very powerful and I love that reaction yeah totally great but Mike was way more right here the fish thing's crazy yeah I know I know why do you say you said it was a tiny fish

yeah that was like I feel like maybe it's due to the ecology of the area I feel like does anyone really catch like bounties of fish anymore in Fiji maybe say to put it to the test.

Maybe cause you can't, no one can. Well, that's the thing. Maybe it's because it's also new players that we've been experiencing as of late. So it's not like anyone has a huge amount of experience with the Hawaiian sling,

but it feels like everything they've been bringing back are like minnows at best. Maybe Jonathan was the best representation. I feel like even the fish was like this big at the very most. Maybe the fish population of Fiji is not in a good way, considering they've never left. Well, they should have negotiated with the fish. Yeah.

So they got to start stalking the Fiji. in the oceans. Like they do with like the trout ponds here. Yeah, we're like a local fish hatchery and like bring in like Atlantic salmon. Just like fill it with a bunch of foreign fish. Yeah, like they do with the bamboo. Right? Don't they like bring up bamboo?

Yeah. Oh no, they do that with coconut they do there. Yeah, they do in random coconuts. But I don't want them to do that. Please don't, please don't throw out some fish to be stoke. Okay, you're right, Shannon. Throw a bunch of dead fish on the beach to start and then they could work with that. You're a genius.

You can use it as bait. I'm not That's also Remember back in like 41 and 42 where one of the rewards was just one big fish Wasn't that the one of the nullify? Wasn't that the one of the nullify? Wasn't that?

Yeah. Yeah. The fact that I thought about this I'm like when they showed the rice thing, I thought they cut out that whole nullifier plotline. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

So we've got a game to play today. And I was inspired by, the rapping, Shannon, of the new hit rap group here of Three Boys on a Bench. Yes, thank you. But instead of wrapping, I will

Can we do like three pods on a cast? Is that abbreviating things too much? Oh, three pods on a cast. I don't even know what that means. I mean, I know what it means. I feel like, I don't know. We've been doing this for a while. I feel like people have tried out the

abbreviated verbalizing of like, are you cast in today? Like, are you podcasting trying to drop that first? Potting, surely. I say potting. I say podcasting. I like saying casting. Neither of those things.

Then there's a really fun three's company thing. Like, oh, are you casting? Like, oh, yes, I am. It's like, oh, great. Well, here's my resume. Here's my audition video. I'm really good. Improv.

There's a black panther franchise. Yeah. Well, okay. I don't think any of those things are anything. No, sorry. I don't think so. Meaning to me, I'm like, Jeff needs to learn how to improvise, and I'm like, that's not anything. I didn't like that.

I didn't like that. Not that. It's no, but three hosts on a pod? Three hosts on a pod. You need that monosyllabic work. Yeah, that's it. We got there. Yeah, yeah.

See, it seems easy, but it's not. Leanna, you're saying you're not going to rap? Please rap. No, I will not be rapping. It's Canadian Tires Black Friday sale. With the lowest prices of the year. Hello, can we go? Limbo again.

Shop the Black Friday sale at Canadian Tire and save up to 60%. November 27th to December 7th. Conditions apply, details online. I will be reading limericks. So the way that the limericks work is the rhyming scheme is AABBA, just so everybody's familiar. And I will read to you an example. So I'm going to read a limerick where the last word is blank. and you have to guess what that very last word is,

but it will rhyme with the first two lines, okay? So let me give you an example, all right? Sophie flew through the course with finesse, jumping and crawling through nets. When the challenge was done, she stood shining as one. The new queen adorned with the immunity necklace. Yes. Yes.

So nets and finesse. so it will be up to the two of you we'll go back and forth to guess what that word is that is the fill in the blank and these are all about things that happened in this episode so Mike we'll start with you

okay okay sage said her discomfort was starting some digesting rebellious but it's idols not guts driving

all of her struts her gas excuse was a lie she was not even farting farting yes the way I saw that scene I was like oh I'm on the B&B this week I wait yeah I'm trying it took us an hour and a half

because like you talk about the fire and ice let's talk about the solid and gas here of save because my assumption is she's used this numerous times this is the George glass of Sage being like no I was a plot on your blind side

I was really hot box in the water well over there do not go over there and so if she makes it the final three is she going to have to do like a big Marianne moment of like whoever smelt it dealt it those farts were not mine my friends

but then Sophie's like Joanne is a social threat and sage is doing a lot of wheeling and dealing they know what she's doing they know that sage would never step away see that's the thing that's where the lie falls away is like sage would never the little amount I know about Sage is that she would not have that decorum.

Joanne is a big, is it, Joanne's very likable, but you could say Sage is the smarter, farter. Maybe she was prepping. Maybe that was like all that stuff we saw in those first couple episodes. That was her laying the, the fart work, the groundwork, right? To like make this lie. Yeah, she was

crazy. And why is she with Joanne for that? Like, why is he the one is like immune? Joanne's like, I have no sense of smell. Yeah. He had COVID. He doesn't. Yeah. He can't. I love this. now if she were to have gastrointestinal distress that would be deadly for these individual challenges she might be the biggest threat because she could commit chemical warfare and cause the rest of the competition to drop out at a certain point she should have done that when they were like on the because it's the obstacle course is probably not going to help so much but like when the the sitting and holding kind of ones those that she was in a prime position to ass blast the entire community the one with the legs up yeah exactly yeah I don't think anyone should take Sage on rewards for the rest of the season. I think she's a menace of society right now.

The survivor society, don't put anything in this woman's stomach. She'll show you all. Just going to be like, the reward this week. Broccoli, beans and hard-boiled eggs. Everyone's like, no, Sage cannot go. She's the opposite of Joanne. Like, no, I'm not because she can be by herself. Everyone against Sage.

This from her. I know she won this, but we need to take this from her. It's the opposite of the Jawan situation. I want to commend you both for getting over an hour half, an hour and a half into this podcast without doing this. Like, I genuinely am so. I knew I had this. So I was like, don't worry.

I know. I'm going to wait. I waited an hour and a half before saying ass blast. Like, I held, I held it in, but eventually it just got two pressure hines. I had to blast out. Genuinely, I'm, I'm shocked. Like, I underestimated you both very much. All right.

Shannon, let's go to you for our next Limerick. Something that never would have been this is not, you know, it's a crossover because on Survivor Global never, ever. So on Survivor Global, that wouldn't pass on the B&B, we pass gas. It's a different part. For Shannon.

All right, Shannon, here's a bit worse time talking about this than the new, the complaint she has about the new era. I love PJ has a new era. That's not fair. My favorite topic. Yeah. Okay. Shannon, do you guys have got into whether the

throwing the vote on Rizzo was trying to counter a minority split? No, at this point we would have talked exclusively an hour and a half about the farting. We would have only gone to the other topics. Either you're welcome or I'm sorry based on the audience that wants to be here for this. Like, this is a crossover stuff. Yeah. We would have written the lyrics to you drive me coconuts. Like that's where we would have been. You drive me coconuts. You drive me coconuts.

Steve keeps farting out her butt. Yeah, thank you. That's good. It's actually about Sage, which is crazy. She's the you. This is like the Stephen could be the Taylor Swift, right? Being like, you dry me coconuts. Why did you tell you one that I had it on? That's Christina has an idol.

Yeah, and then I already find out he was Taylor Swift at Pona rosa. Ooh. Yeah, there we go. It all comes full circle. Yeah. Okay. Here's your limerick. Question two.

No more parts. No more. No more. I would believe that. Christina held on to her dream with her mom and her tribe as her team every slip every cry drew a roar to the sky

till she dragged herself over that beam yes over the beam one of my favorite Jeff quotes of the episode hug that beam I bloody said Hawley because I definitely thought about the other thing I actually had a there was a long discussion a bunch of us had with them

at some point because we did that episode 3 Border Challenge and he talked about like as they did in this episode like hey if you can't walk your way across the beam shinny your way across and we're like oh is it

don't you mean shimmy he's like no shitty apparently you're supposed to use the term shinny specifically when it comes to like scooching your butt across so Jeff Propp saw me something very new is that we've been very insane bear style saying it the wrong way this entire time

Shinnie? Shinnie yes with ends instead of ends Shini oh yeah another term for shimmy another term for shi American English so that's I don't have that interesting hmm

okay whatever Jeff all right Mike back to you I like how the Google definition is he loved his shinny up that tree

yeah he does oh my what is shinny yeah it's shinny wait but he meant specifically on your butt yeah like that you are like

no it's never shimmy yeah it's always shinny it's never This is a word Right, now you're telling you're like dancing. Yeah, now you're in the headspace I was in when I had this revelation several months ago. What?

Yeah, you're right. A jazz dance characterized by shame. No, it is also true in Australia. This is a shimmy and this is a shimmie. It's also true in Australia. Not that much. We need an editor of that. Okay, I've decided I don't care.

That's what the team is for shimmy. Right? Whoa. Shimmy. It's not. It's always been shinny this whole time. The fact that I was just like, no, Jeff is wrong. He's just, he's wrong.

He was wrong about the rights. Yeah, I would have agreed to do. He was right. My gosh. Sorry, Jeff. Okay. Well, next time I cross a balance beat, I'm doing one of these. And Jeff will say much like Christina, I've never seen anything like that.

Classic shipplesing. Lyon, I got the shimmy, shimmy double feature. Also, we finally made good on like the Surrey promises for Christina that I feel like a lot of people were talking about on the pre-emerge, yeah, I mean the preseason but like it wasn't how I wasn't how I thought. No, not on

the beam. Yeah. That's not how you thought she's going to be similar to Serene. Yeah. It's really relying heavily on the beam. Yeah. If you were to say like to someone, it's like you're going to be like you're going to be like not the beam, not the beam. I don't want the anything else you'd fire. Anything but the beam. I'll take advantage get in out of the game.

The fact that you want to stand and be three is all we could negotiate with. So no deal. You're doing the balance beam. No. It's like, am I going to convince someone to give away the necklace? It's like, beam. Yeah. It's not what you want.

It's not what you want. Okay, Mike. When Jeff pulled out that bag looking nice, he said, trade me your shots for a slice. This hungry final eight chose to gamble with bait. They'd rather compete than sit out for the Rice. Yay!

That bag looking so nice. But they didn't choose that. Yeah, forced it. That's true. That's true. Yeah, sorry, my limerick is actually incorrect. That feels like bad looking so nice is like if someone took the Paramount Plus subtitles and like translated then to Serbian and then translate them to Serbian

and then translate them to Japanese and then to, I don't know, French and then back to English. Like, that bag looking so nice is like very slightly off kilter from what English is supposed to be. Yeah, yeah. But also the subtitles are also not great anyway.

So I think you're already starting somewhere worse and can get even worse. I know we mentioned Xandra out of nowhere, but he was mentioned even before we did this season. That's true. That's true. You guys laugh, but I watch two seasons of Survivor this way. So I watched Finnish and Quebec Survivor.

with the terrible English subtitles. And I'm telling you a lot of it was actually a lot worse than that. So... No, okay. Like you. That looks so nice. I'm so nice.

Okay, Shannon, here's your next limerick. First, Christina saved Stephen from steak. Then Rizzo tried one more big play to make. Just squint it. Wait, from steak. Like the steak? Like burned at the steak. I'm not worth the writing lyrics and Steven

it's fine it's fine it's fine Jeff squinted and frowned as the tribe laughed around when they learned that his idol was only a fake yeah wait I'm not a good time

we're all laughing around I think we can do better than steak All right Let's let's workshop this First Christina Saved Stephen From His fate

His fate Not great Then Rizzo tried one more big play to make What about like Christina's play It wasn't fully baked Okay Sure

Is he even a Wake. Fully baked. Yes. Then Rizzo tried one more big play to make. Jeff squinted and frowned as the tribe laughed around. When they learned his idol was only a fake. Okay.

You only have to suffer through two more of these. I was suffering right now. I'm having a great time. Something to take? No. Okay. Okay. I mean you put in a lot of effort.

Over the colds. Christina was raped Yeah, there we go Okay While the camp smelled like fish in a trench They practiced their lyrics in stench

Their band name a gem A true Survivor Anthem They call themselves Three Boys on a Bench Yes Okay, but can I hear the full thing

Because these two This first two lines are Cinema which it gets his poetry Why did you have fish when there was a whole farting subplop? Uh, yeah, yeah, because that was fake. There was actually no farts, but Joanne didn't catch a fish. I think there are fawks, by the way. Well, so they did not find.

That's true. I mean, Sage probably was still farting. Do you think it was part of Sage strategy to drop like one big old, nasty, wet one to really be like, this is, this is the worst I can do. And so now she's kind of put that in. mention their mind of like, oh boy, if it's anything like that one on day 16, everybody look out. I regret that I'm the one who brought us back up and I'm aware of it, but they actually

was a whole secret seat about this. Yes. And it was still better than the rice. No, I don't know, actually. Well, it really came down to the rhyming, right? Yeah. So, so the, the, what I had for bench, rhymes, words that rhyme with bench, okay? We've got, so wench, yes.

Stench, quench, drench, clench, in trench, the French. So could have stolen the idol like the Grinch. The Grinch. And St. For Christmas. No. Subtitled like the French. Oh, I like that.

Yeah, that's not bad. Yeah. So instead, we have fish in a trench. Okay. That's what we ended up with. They practiced their lyrics in stench, which actually that I wrote first. That was inspired by when one of them called Stephen Stinky or something like that. Oh, yeah.

No, no, it was that Stephen had said stench, I think, or Stephen or John said it in their in their freestyle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're sitting on the bench. Stephen's got a stench. Yes, exactly. Yeah, it was something like that. I'm green like French. Yeah, so they did practice their lyrics in stench technically.

All right. Shannon, here is your limerick. Jawan stepped up with confidence, of course, reached out with unshakable force. But instead of his own, he grabbed one not shown and straight up snatched poor Rizzo's horse. Torch. Yes, it was horse. Hors would be crazy. Imagine what that looks like.

Imagine the scene. Rides off into the sunset on Rizzo's horse. That's cinema. That is true. Yeah, truly cinema. Okay, I do have a tiebreaker that we can do. You thought that we wouldn't get one of these? That's why I'm with the tiebreaker.

You know, I actually set up a la stage, the perfect smokescreen that we would get so distracted by the, I'm going to say, generously questionable right? That we can remember the last word. Yes. Well, I remember when we did this for 42 and I made them way too hard. So it was like. Okay, because it's either like they're super obvious or they're way too hard. So I went for the,

I went for the super obvious one, but I did come up with a tiebreaker. So for this one, it will be whoever yells out the answer first. Okay? So, yeah, of course, Mike's super excited. All right. Here's your tiebreaker.

Rizzo and Jawan leapt off the platform so tall to dudes making waves like a brawl with a splash and a yell that echoed like hell. One launched into the sea, screaming. Cannonball. Yes, it was cannonball.

Yes, Rizzo yelled that as he jumped in. This is what I guess when he Hoff was watching the challenges. Yep. That was a crucial moment for me, apparently,

that stood out as I made the list of all the things I wanted to write lyrics and limericks about it. I was like, well, obviously them yelling cannonballs,

they jump into the water. I'm surprised more people post Charlie haven't yelled out like a favorite musical artist. I know we mentioned Taylor Swift a lot

with things got a really good, he got really good feedback. I think he went out on top. It's like, well, no one can top this. So Rizzo just has to do a cannonball instead. Yeah, and people loved it and people really liked how Taylor Swift focused he was. So I think if someone else would do that,

that would love that as well. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. All right. Well, congratulations, I guess, to Mike technically for winning. But congratulations all. Stop, please. Stop, chipping. She's all around. I bet. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Well, let's go from Shinny to Chizzy.

Oh, yes. Yes, back to Global. We've been on a journey. Take it away Jacob's sake of white and empty color. One, one, three, one, two, one, two, one, three, one, two, one. It's getting, it's getting kind of chisiey. Three, two, one. Um, we're giving two one-ones, which is funny because I really struggle about who should be on which one, which I feel like I always do when it gets to this.

Hmm. Do you, do you appropriate? is there like a greater one and a lesser one? Yeah, like a 1.4 and a 1.1? It doesn't actually matter, but it matters to the charts, and it's like very important. So, like, definitely you have to say,

which is like the better one, even though it has no bearing on the actual result. It's like differentiating to Sophie's, right? No, it's nothing like that. Although they both were in contention for me. Yeah, blue one and yellow one. I'm going to give two points to Rizzo. Yeah.

I think yeah as we're saying even if he just stands up like he kind of makes it his move I think still holding on to the idol is kind of it for me mostly and I think the flash had something in it in terms of maybe putting some doubt into like the like sure thing that he has an idol I think as well for Rizzo like there were two good things

I like the Savannah was like we'll go for the swings but Rizzo was like but we'll still let Sophie decide and even like the way that Jawan like and Jawan's gonna be good with this but like the way he left with Rizzo like, I think that the jury do like Rizzo. And then I really struggled on who should be on the ones of which one. Obviously, all of the Uli four, as described last week have, you know, some merit. I'm going to give the better ones.

I think that soap is like a foster child at this point of like, she's a Gina, she's an Uli. Like, she's not, there's no, what's Kella? Cal doesn't exist anymore. It definitely doesn't. And I was pulling at the Uli 4 last week and Miles and I argued about it. And then they came in. they were like the trio I was like ugh and then Sophie was like maybe I will and I'm like and then she was like no I'm gonna be with them I'm like hey good good but yeah I think I'm

gonna give the better one to Savannah because again I really like that she was like we'll go for the swings it was her extra vote that at least got them to save the idol um if not when the day and yeah I also think I mean look it's had well we should be able to speak to it but it's had merit how laser focus they've been on Savannah and she's still around and I think it's like protected like she's doing a lot it may be antisocial in some ways but having

having like all of that focus on you to protect everyone around you and then also protecting yourself is good so I'll give her that and then I'll give the lesser one to yellow Sophie who I did want to give two to as well again I actually think the choice is pretty good

and I just think that she did so well to Blyde-Sy mostly St. Juan, if also the rest of Hina. But I gave her points for that last week as well. So I think she's done really well through this and had so much power and used it well. So then you think she should probably get more.

But I think it works. They're all around there. Yeah. I had the exact same three and actually in the exact same order. The other thing that I wanted to give to Savannah was basically the social capital that she had built up in order to protect herself that people didn't want to vote for her.

her. Sophie B doesn't want to vote for her. Sophie S doesn't want to vote for her. Like that all absolutely counts for something. So that was the reason because I was trying to decide also between whether or not Savannah or Sophie S was going to get that the higher one. And I'm giving it to Savannah. Yeah. I'm with Leona here.

I went Savannah to Rizzo one major, Sophie S one minor. Just because I think for me, I think this holds so much weight. to Savannah's narrative that, like, she is kind of unkillable. At this point, I'll watch you get voted off next week, but like, the fact that this is the first time she hasn't been immune and is still

quote unquote on the bottom and she still didn't get enough votes and she had someone like in theory, at least play an idol on her. I think that speaks so heavily to others. I think that yes, Rizzo did have this very crucial idea to make sure that Sophie felt heard.

Don't want to have a Sarah Lascena situation. I think that is crucial to how this all ends up happening. But like, such a great move on Savannah and Sophie B's part as well to be like, why are we going for Hina at this point? As you mentioned, Shannon, they're all kind of like, they're self-sabotagers right now. They're not the ones that we should worry about. Let's worry about the people who have been the ones that have been actually determining who goes home these past few votes. So I think it was a really astute move to make.

And I think it perfectly serves to like splinter on paper at least any chance of there being a new majority with having Sophie S on your side and then one minor goes to Sophie S from my perspective just because I agreed with the move that she made I think also you know I don't know how you don't really incorporate challenge wins to this but like her

winning immunity I mean we would sort of laugh during the split tribal council when we're like why are they calling Sophia challenge beast at this point like she placed first once but her challenge record so far has been first second second first that is remarkably consistent

And so I think that also helps at least, helps substantiate her case to at least get to the end because he has the capability. Honestly, unlike someone like Rizzo, who like low key is not great at challenges, which could put himself in maybe a bad situation if he like has to feel like he's in a win or die situation, he can't bank on his challenge skills as much as she can.

So yeah, I agree that the Oolie 4, which only actually have two Oolie 4, member saying it definitely won the week so it makes sense that three of them get the credit for it. Yeah, I mean, I think the big thing for me is that Savannah made the call to go for the swings, which made a lot of sense. I should kind of deduct points from Reso and Savannah for being taken in by Joanne and Sage early and then they got that information from Sophie, but at the same time, Sophie goes out of her way to say from what we hear specifically Savannah. I'm not even like let me go with this group, you know, like, well, I'll be, you know, better with Uli or maybe I'll

take out of Hina and I'll come back on Ouli. Like, she's not even talking about Ouli. Like, she says, I want to save Savannah. So Savannah has utility for her and she's earned that. So I still think I'll give the, yeah, the more important one, which has no actual difference to Savannah. Leana, why did you go to Rizzo? Was it about saving the idol?

Yeah, it was about saving the idol. It was about also for the letting Sophie pick. And I think, I think, you know, the fake idol thing, I think was fun. I don't know if that necessarily factored. into the two points. But, you know, still to be, to be bold enough to be able to do something like that, though, I think also just deserve some credit for whatever reason.

So I'll give them a little point for that. Yeah, I think when Jeff is like, do something fun, 50s next season, you do something, you know, so that you've got to think of that as well. Paige is like, wait until you see the farts I have in store. But you as well, like, for Rizzo, it's not even like, well, I'll be two out in front. Like, Rizzo, again, already has that persona locked in, so he might as well, like, have fun with it.

And that's a gift. Like, when Jeff is saying have fun and they're like, we're already on the bottom, we're already fighting. I'm Savannah and I'm winning all the challenges or I have this idol. I actually can just be audacious with it and try and win a spot like that. That's great. Because I feel like someone like so fast to be a little bit more subtle. Yeah.

Because I think that people don't see her coming as much. But I think they can just kind of have fun and they do. So that's yeah. When you're already out front, it's like, hey, you already have this image of me. So like, you know, I'm not exactly, uh, increasing this. spotlight on me because you pretty much shown the biggest possible one. You put the whole floodlight on me.

So apologies if I'm lighting more light bulbs. Yeah. All right. Well, the Chizzy has been taken care of. So it's time we move into the final segment of each and every week here on the B&B where our esteemed guest gets to highlight a charity or cause that is important to them. Shannon, do you have anything that you would like to highlight for the listeners out there? I do. I was just getting the exact website. We did a charity run during Australian Survivor for

Forever After Rescue. And we raised $2,900 in the end, which was so awesome. It was a chizzy raffle, which was so much fun. And the thing I love about donating to Forever After Rescue is like, I know this cat rescue personally. Like, you know the funds are going to like actually help cats. Like they will be like, we found these cats. Some might need like medical attention. Like, you know, the money is like very much going to like a local Sydney cat charity. Anyone can donate. It's really easy to do it on Facebook with a card or you can do it by a PayPal. Like we've had international people donating through the whole Australian Survivor season.

And I just think it's a really wonderful charity, especially now as we're getting to December because it was, you know, pretty much breeding season. And there's a lot of cast and need homes. So that is one. So the website is forever, like f you are ever after rescue. info and you can just donate through there. And the other thing as well is if you're thinking of getting a pet, as always

adopt, don't shop. Because that's like the best, like that's like the best win-win. I think of anything you can do, you get a great pet. I always think as well Leana can speak to this as well with two cats. Like, you get two. We have two bonded cats. I do this in, I'm always, whenever anyone talks to me, I'm always like, you should get a cat.

I spoke to Sam Phelan, he just got a cat when we were in San Francisco and I'm like, by the time we're done, you will be getting a second cat, like either get a cat or get a second cat, but especially if you can get two together, it's often harder to adopt out bonded cats and they love each other. It's like no more work. If anything, like they entertain

each other, which is great. So, if you're thinking about something this Christmas or, you know, if you're thinking about getting a pet, certainly adopting pets who need a home is the way to go rather than, you know, buying pets and contributing to that. So that's

my charity of choice. Well, much like two lovable kittens playing together, We were able to keep ourselves occupied with the playtime we shared over the course of this podcast. I love the opportunity whenever we get it to merge these two ideas into one like any good merge. And so thank you, Shannon, for submitting yourself to the malarkey that was taken in throughout this entire two-hour endeavor. Hey, we got to the strategy. We talked about that too. Exactly.

Yeah. We were the mullet, right? Business in the front, then party in the back. Yeah. Hey, I think I think split weights over a party. Yeah. exactly that's my kind of party to each their own party uh well you are parting it up over on the global feed proper each and every week rounding out only the final few weeks of survivor 49 uh what would you like to plug for that and the the other projects you're working on to the listeners out there yeah next week i have karen from australian survivor so we're going to talk about what is week 11 yep yes fees is flying by and then there won't be global for a while because the premiere of global for 50 i mean the premiere of 50 i mean the premiere of 50

is roughly when I'm having a child, like crazy close to when I'm having a child. So I don't think I'll get one episode in, which is sad. I'm hoping, like, maybe, like, I don't want to say it, but like if Surrey goes early, then my investment will be kind of cut. Otherwise, I'm going to have so much FOMO, but yeah, and then I'll be covering Australian Survivor next year

until I can't, which will also suck. But yeah, Survivor Global. Follow me at Shannon Gates. Every week we talk about a lot of the strategy. That's mainly what we're doing. I think we have fun. Gus and Around is a podcast that I'm doing with my husband, Peter. Gus and Around podcast on YouTube.

It's on Spotify. It's on Apple where every week we just talk about life, currently like our journey to parenthood or just like random things, TV, just, you know, personal stuff. Check out the first episode. If you like it, that's pretty much the vibe. That's it. That's all I got.

Thank you guys for having me. I really recommend Gusen Around. It's an opportunity to take a look at Shannon's life from the perspective of someone that obviously she cares, so much about in Peter. Again, to find out more about Shannon the person rather than the podcast. We all are three hosts on a pod, but we are people at the end of the day. And sorry, from the get-go, you opened up about some incredibly personal, emotional things that I am so happy that you got to do, especially due to the out pouring of support around it.

So would not recommend it more. Feel free to check out guessing around. You will not regret it. In saying that on the survival podcast, I did say I'm having a C-section. So I get personal on the Survivor podcast. However, the gussing around is just all of that, but without.

Yeah, but for you, but for you, the C stands for Surrey, right? Yes. You're having a Surrey section. Surrey section. Let's go. On the last podcast,

we talked about how, because I've been saying, like, I'm really trying to find, like, what my birth playlist will be, and like, especially the song for when my child is born. And, like, you could just put on a podcast? Like, imagine if I'm listening to just, like,

the 50, no, I don't know if it'll make it in time but maybe like the 50 premiere B&B you guys are just like talking about farts and I'm just like having you know. I could. Do you think anyone's ever had a child while listening to a podcast?

Yeah, I mean, I believe Rnap, someone was either listening to Rennap or listening to the old Seinfeld podcast while they were in labor. Yeah. That's what I'm trying to get. That's what we're.

But I don't think I'm going to, I don't think I'm going to do it. Just let me know. Yeah. Well, Leanna, I know that this was not the only time you were talking Survivor this week. You dipped your toes, much like any survivor player

that's about to be booted apparently in their edit into the waters of Survivor on the PAL. You want more people complaining about the new era? Check out the PAL this week. I think it just like really reached ahead last week. I was just really frustrated and was all I can think about.

So yes, there is some more complaining about that, but we do play some other little fun games. Puyah asks me questions while I'm blasting loud music in my ears with ear plugs. and I try to understand what he is saying. So we do some other fun activities and things like that as well. Are your ears okay?

Well, I had ear plugs in and then I had music in the like noise cancelling headphones. So is this like a lip reading test? Basically yes. I got I think one question correct out of all of them. So

yeah, it was definitely very fun to do. So I think you should check that out for both Survivor stuff as well as some other just nonsense. A good test. of sensory deprivation. But I tell everyone, come to your senses and check out the stuff that I am doing.

Again, due to the holidays, we did not get the chance to talk with Joanne yet. I am doing so on Monday. So depending on when you're listening to this, it may already be out or you may be eagerly anticipating it, as am I, because as Shannon mentioned, I have a good amount of questions.

I think that the decisions he made, in particular these last few rounds, I'm really intrigued to get his thoughts on because, again, the way it was presented to us or maybe not presented to us leaves us with a lot of logical fallacies, perhaps. And so I'm sure Joanne is going to explain his logic behind that. Of course, I think his thoughts on the Savannah relationship, you know,

did he know the way she was regarding him until he watched all this back, was taking her stuff incidental, lots of stuff to get into which you want, including as well, don't you worry, Shannon, how he reacted to Nate revealing his true marble background. And of course, the amazing race, if you think the Survivor finale, coming up. We're only two weeks away from the amazing race finale. So I got together with Jess and Rob for a Black Friday edition of our recap. I had Quinn Martin on from Big Brother 26 talking about his former cast members racing around the world. So lots of great stuff going

on as we wrap up CBS reality TV for the year. It's wild to think about, but we are podcasting at least on the last day of November. And so we are turning the calendar page and we'll see how much the page has been turned on this season now following this use of advantages fake and otherwise and the Jawan boot. Special thanks to everyone behind the scenes at RHAP for packaging this podcast

for your eyes and ears and Wolf from America for his incredible theme song. Liana, I hope you can write lyrics for him in the future. You're a natural at it. We'll be back next week talking episode 11 of Survivor 49 and Shannon will as

well. Until next time, everybody, We'll check you out at your next day. R.H.A. You can stay for free.