RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor Global: Debating Twists and Intentions | S47 Ep 7 with Mark Warnock and Eden Porter

Episode Date: November 2, 2024

Survivor Global host Shannon Guss talks to Australian Survivor Titans and the Invisible Hand alliance of Mark Warnock and Eden Porter about the latest episode of Survivor 47. The trio discuss who was screwed by the twists and why, the players' intentions and positions and why is Jeff so obsessed with the number six?!

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Hello everyone and welcome to RHAB's coverage of Survivor 47 for Survivor Global. I'm your host Shannon Gass here to talk about episode seven. There's a split tribal council that has been acknowledged and received with much acclaim. Everyone loved it. We're here to talk about it today. I have two great guests with me. I've been loving doing these three-person podcasts, getting a little bit of the global survivor dynamic in there with people who've played together and we have an invisible hand recap here for you today first i will welcome someone who says soul stan i'm seeing now yes it's a great third place strength by the titans be rebels mark how you doing man my heart and soul is in this podcast right now uh i'm so happy to join there i forgot that podcasting with mark means like he's got the puns ready to go.

Like they are there, there. And then with Eden, it's going to be the references. So are we going to get any actual conversation between those two things? I'm not 100% sure. We're going to see what is actually a non-pun, non-reference statement today. I am a soldier in his army. I'm ready to go. No, look, thanks for having me on, Shannon.

This is really fun. I'm really excited to see how wild and wacky this gets with Eden on as well. So, yeah, thanks for having me on. Yeah. I'm sorry for the look of pain at the soul pun. I do love a good pun, you know, and I think we're starting to get soul and soldier.

You're like, what? I'm like, come on. Like, how many Q puns did you have last season? And I roll out one, heart and soul disappointed you're like what i'm like come on like how many coupons did you have last season and i roll out one heart and soul like come on yeah you're right i'm the future you're like if you could take if you give it if you just you gotta take it you know 100 no i'm the worst i'm the worst i'm like really two soul puns this is a guy you know is gonna have puns and i was literally speaking in a different hue language six months ago so yeah but but i never said that I was okay.

Forget Q. It's the soul show right now. Forget Q, go home, goodbye. That's what the famous confessional is. I'm not going back to speaking in Q, okay? I had to like unlearn. It was a long few months of my life. But yes, and someone who maybe will have a reference for us

coming up right now, he unfortunately just missed the jury on Titans v Rebels. We brought him in for some trauma it's a great reporter eden thank you for being here thank you so much for having me shan um i'm i'm not sure how much i'm going to be able to add because as you can see i'm simply a person of low information i i i'm just gonna i'm just gonna be here to support mark and support you shan because um i'm fired up for this episode i think this is my this is my episode this is the missing out on the jury episode and

did you notice that jeff just had to get the knife and actually say as punishment for losing this you will not make the jury that's what they call it now getting as a penalty it's like yes we're not progressing to that phase that's the penalty that you get that you're removed from the jury before you're even in it it's a dual removal twist but you just also never get to the jury before you're removed from the jury yeah you would have been okay but because you lost yeah cop that jeff he's he's going and i i know i know that that cuts extra deep for eden because i remember every single time we, after the merge, before the jury, Eden always commented when JLP was like, at the immunity challenge, he was like, you know,

whoever wins immunity, you'll be safe tonight. And then we'll be sending X number person out of the game. And then Eden was like, but they didn't say to the jury. No, I know. He was tracking it every single time. And I was like, this is our third tribal council since we've been like merged this can't this has to be a jury position but no yeah well I don't want to I don't want to you know harp on it and it's it's tired and we don't need to but I just need to ask

like Eden how many tribal councils did you go to what like I genuinely like yeah how many tribal councils did you go to um the fact that you have to sit here and think about it is exactly my point right so what three in the three of the titles is a good podcasting and then what three-ish in the swap so nine tribal councils nine and then yeah and then well then there was scottie's and then there was winners yeah so i think nine total right yeah i'm just saying i'm not gonna harp but i do actually want to talk about it because like not exactly the same as tiana missing it two weeks in and like whatever australian survivors extreme the new era is not the same thing but like she missed it on her third tribal council that's not exactly the same as you how

many days did you play like that's when it comes up when it comes up at the bottom and says day 13 at this point, I'm like, are you kidding me? Yes. We'd only had about, we'd voted off four people by this point. And we were, yeah, it was, it always blows my mind. I mean, like, I feel very bad for Tiana, but she went out at like the same number Tribal Council as like Nathan did. You know, like it's not at the same time. It's like, and I do want to talk about that.

I'm tracking, I'm tracking Andy's facial hair and like I've got more right now than he does. So, you know. Maybe that's an insult to Andy. I don't know if that's, yeah. And I do want to talk about that. Before I do, how are both of you going? You both have been podcasting a bit about this season.

Mark, Howie, and you guys hung out this weekend without me, which is pretty rude because we had already organized to hang out this weekend doing this. You guys hung out. But Mark, how are you doing? Yeah, we had to just to hang out this weekend doing this. You guys hung out. But, Mark, how are you doing? Yeah, we had to like, you know, pregame. It's always the game never stops. So, yeah, that's how important this is to us, Shannon.

No, I have been, yeah, podcasting, Len, has been really fun. I did a little series, could be on the edit, where I talk to australians or other players about who basically didn't feature as much as two people on our season and that was really really fun and then mark and caroline not quite and then um annabelle my my friend from traders australia the great the everyone's favorite faithful um she and i have been giving life lessons for survivor um and it's a very very silly and fun podcast on babes on the brink so thanks for shannon for allowing me to um spruik that but i've also been enjoying your

coverage i've also been enjoying eden's um survivor debrief as well with his brother and uh yeah i'm loving all the content it is really fun to be able to have fun let me just put this out there now shannon like we have fun we get silly but we never really like are mean towards the players we're just like acknowledge them as characters so let me put out the disclaimer i do love soul that is that is true like my love for soul is true and real my love for annika is true and real um you know any any harsh commentary is is all in jest but yeah no it's been really fun to be podcasting yeah yeah that's one that's made up for the drama in the pre-gaming that you guys did about who who we really just gonna like well it probably will be a lot of production um yeah that's good

um even yeah so you've been as we said podcasting every week and how how are you doing yeah it's been really fun survivor debrief with uh my brother joshua um he's also been a survivor fan he he lapsed a little so he hasn't watched any new era or stuff like that so i've been schooling him on the ways of the new era survivor and it's been just really fun. Shanna, you know me. I love talking Survivor with anyone. So being able to do that and have a bit of fun. It's sort of short, 30 minutes, in and out, just our thoughts on each episode.

It's been really fun. And we should be looking at getting some guests on coming back after this season as well, which will be even more fun. I heard it here first. I know, here first. I know, I know. And then I've been up, like, yeah, I was up in Queensland at a movie convention, hanging out with Mark. Oh, so much fun.

Yeah, I want to be at a movie convention and hanging out with Mark. That sounds really, really fun. That sounds like a great trip. Words colliding, Shannon. Well, thank you for making the time, both of you, to be here. And, yeah, so this episode episode which had this big twist um yeah Eden how have you felt about the season overall and how does this episode fit into that for you I am loving this season I think I think what they've done is they've sort of honed in on some

more interesting casting I think that's been the biggest thing for this season that I really love I love Andy's I love Gabe's I love Rome's. I love Gabe's. I love Rome's. All these people, one thing in common, they're sloppy players, as Sierra would say. They're sloppy. And I love the sloppiness. It's added another dimension to this season. We've had some of them.

It's probably been my favorite pre-merge of any of the new eras, hands down. And I think it's because of these characters. And interestingly enough, look, I don't like journeys. I hate journeys and I hate sort of how that's all sort of put together. But those twists that have happened, that allowed Rome to hang around for longer because he would have been first out. That allowed a few other fun things to happen,

which did sort of increase my enjoyment of the season so far. I'm so excited to have some big characters still in the game at this point. I'm loving your, like, I'm so excited to have some big characters still in the game at this point. I'm loving your, like, I'm really loving Gabe. Caroline's come into play. Teenie, I love Teenie, but she's been pretty quiet. So I want to see some more Teenie action front and centre, which would be fantastic.

But a lot of good characters. And I feel like I know everyone this season. The people that were purpled have blossoms like beautiful flowers after a few episodes. So I'm really excited that the coverage has been really even across nearly all the players. And it's great.

And this episode especially is very interesting. Look, I'm not a big fan of the split-up twist. I think that the way that you do this is to sort of stop a begonging i don't think it was going to be a begonging i don't we haven't even started you'd like you know trying to stop the ball rolling we haven't even like started pushing it down the hill there was there was nothing to gong at all and so i i think this is in jeff has this in his head right he loves six person tribal councils he's obsessed with them he's trying to think of all the different ways to mathematically get the most six person tribal councils as he could possibly can and i think this

is just another way to do that he's like 12 people hang on 12 divided by two that's uh let's let's do some cold paper 18 divided by three 12 we divided by two we're gonna yeah this is the future of of survivor i think chan but yeah no really maybe maybe he's a really big fan of the musical six Yeah, 100%. So this is the future of Survivor, I think, Jen. But yeah, no, I'm really excited. Maybe he's a really big fan of the musical Six. It's in my head because I saw it this week. And he's just like, you, I want to put, you're the Aragon, you know? This one's Anna of Cleves, you know? And maybe he's from, I don't know, because, yeah, I mean, I do think,

and he said it on the On Fire podcast last week, like I didn't realize Jeff's really scared of big votes, where a lot of people are vulnerable. And that's, I think, what's pushed Murgatory and the Split Tribal. i didn't realize just really scared of big votes um where a lot of people are vulnerable and that's i think what's pushed purgatory and the split tribal i didn't realize that that's been guiding so much of the new era so i went back this week to be like why is jeff so scared of this what went so wrong you know what's the terry dink losers so that's why we have a final three you know what's it you know and because every single change has like something that happened that he didn't like and he's like this is bad you know like i love that you highlight very deep that is why that's why then we have a final three because and that's why we have a new

michelle winning is why we have a new um final tribal council format every single thing so i'm like what is it and like i guess i'm looking back and like well the chris noble boot was lopsided but it was great in david versus delight the elizabeth boot was 12 to 1 but it didn't take away from a great season like i'm i guess like the wendell adam split in in 40 was a little sleepy but like is anyone looking back at that and being like that is terrible i mean definitely there's been way more criticism on these votes over and over and over again these types of split tribals and definitely the the you know constricted six-person tribes then any of those kind of like uneven, you know, or like even in game changes, there was like a,

like a split at the merge. All of that is fine. Like all of that. So I don't know what exact, why he's so hung up on it, but I feel like if anything, like this has been, you know, people have complained a lot more. Certainly I have Mark. Yeah. What do you think about all of this? I come back to two points, trust and tension, two Ts for Tiana. Trust is Jeff just needs to trust the players.

They were doing it. Genevieve was doing it. Andy was doing it. We were building towards something. Their players are doing it. They're not dummies. The players, this is what i feel about you know whenever i criticize the new era i do it with like a heavy heart because the players are doing their best the players are trying to play their best and they're incredible like the casting is incredible i i still go back to 45 i think 45 is like the

best of the new era um just because i got a soft spot in my heart for them but they are like it's not the player's fault they are they are if you let them run they will run give them the ball they will score a touchdown you know um but so they just need to trust them and the reason why i think having a big tribal council is good is because even if even if je Jeff can't count past six and then there's a 12-person tribal council, and even if there's a safe vote like Rome was the previous episode, it builds tension. So like a big tribal council, as Eden and I have experienced,

if someone quits the game and there's not even a vote, it still builds tension because you're trying to navigate so many different people. And I think that if they just trusted the players to play hard, and they are playing hard, like everyone's playing bloody hard, even if you get one, like I don't see one pile on vote as being boring because it sets up, it sets up the tension for the next vote,

which is what we were robbed of. So any criticism I have of the New Year is absolutely targeted at someone who doesn't care what I think, Jeff. For all the players out there, maybe he is, Jeff, give me a call. But for the players out there, like I feel for the players because they, you know, like imagine like Genevieve and Andy and Sol, like there was something. And then Antini was even trying to get into the action with the All Women's Alliance, which hopefully we'll touch on.

But like they were trying. They were trying. And then they had to sort of backtrack stuff. And so like, yeah, I feel for the players that they didn't have the opportunity to do it because those big tribal councils are wild like they're wild and as a player it's you that's like the most challenging you know aspect of the game even though it's day 14. but yeah anyway yeah that's the thing is as well as you make the content that you have out of it like if it's a big you know like the winner vote like if it's like a big split group that's great if it is something

where it piles on like with rome you know they made the content that they had of that. Something like Chris Noble, like that was very entertaining. Like it's more about just using it and being like, they can be, you know, one sleepy episode if necessary. And it's often very good. Like if anything, they're stopping the dynamics, but I do, I blame Henry VIII. I'm thinking that if he had 12 ex-wives, I think that he should have been. You know what's going to be interesting, Shannon?

If it's like, if we get down to the final five, they've voted someone out, does Jeff pull a, like, a new era? What was it on Pearl Islands? The Ryan and the, what were they called? The Outcast. The Outcast. An Outcast twist to rebuild the six. So no matter what happens, it gets a five out of five,

and Lil just appears out of the jungle. The same uniform. She's actually like improved. Like her sleeve is full. You've been waiting 20 years. Her sleeve is full of like. Hey, what are we doing out here? Wait, you think she's just been like a scout out on the island for 20 years?

Is that? I think I've seen her in Making Fire. She she's in jumanji she's in the game she's like the the like the character this has gone to some places but do you think that lil would be the aragon no it's fine it's not it's in it's not important about which part of the city she would be i think she's you know like if you're a scout you like have to do the challenges in order to get like little patches on your shoulder. She's actually just like fully covered head to toe in patches. Yeah, I've just been here.

She's done like everything. And then now she's like, I am ready. I am learned in the game of Survivor. What you do is, what you do is you roll your shot of the dark. And because Lil must, in the jungle, she must wait unless someone rolls a five or eight and they roll it and then she as you know eden you don't actually roll the shot in the dark yeah well come on shannon but also shot in the dark six sides something is going

on something is happening and if you think about it there's probably a lot going on that we need to think about and it may be a ploy but okay but this is what another thing that i was thinking and that i tweeted this because i was thinking about how eden went to like unquantifiable amount of tribal councils and still missed the jury and like tiana went to three and this is the kind of stuff that i would be insecure about if i was a producer i'd be like are they playing look how much they're playing on australian survivor like how can we compare it to that and like you know it's been even this season they've all been now to like three tribals because basically all the tribes lost twice with Tuku now but like last season Tevin went at 10 and it was his second vulnerable tribal council for me like

I wouldn't care about like oh well they're not they're not gonna have rice like they have to suffer I'd be like it's 26 days but believe me they're not going to have rice. Like, they have to suffer. I'd be like, it's 26 days, but believe me, they're playing. And, like, all of these things give them out. It's like a whole half of the group sitting on the sidelines for me. I'm like, no, make them earn their, you know, scout style badges, survivor style by, like, getting through votes where they're vulnerable. And this is a game because I do, like, when I'm judging winners as an example, like the Tom Westmans and Michelle Fitzgerald who go to fewer tribals

and for me have, like, less to earn in my metric of strategy like that's like a mark against them for me so I feel like I that's what I would be doing like as much as there's like the monster and like make them suffer and like it is like unfortunate for what would have been like a Rachel and we can talk about it for like Tiana but then six other people who didn't win a challenge are immune you know like two tribes in a three tribe configuration are like they they earn it but they're immune and then someone else is in a really constricted group that's difficult so it's like as much as there's unlike it's unlucky for some it's very very lucky often for others and i feel like those outs to me on the

opposite of what jeff is trying to do by being like it's so dangerous and it's so difficult i think we've talked about this before because it's been freaking years but I just it stood out to me because I'm like don't have them sit on the sidelines when you only have 26 days like get them freaking playing and voting and scared and running around right has teeny's been drunk as many times as teeny's been drunk teeny's been drunk as many times as he's been to Tribal Council. That is not true. She's been drunk twice. Hasn't Kyle only been, Kyle has only been not safe once at that very first TK1.

He's had immunity and he's never gone again. So there was only that one, and that was what, the first Tribal Council? The second Tribal, yeah. Well, he won immunity last week. People can win immunity, that's fine. And I want to talk, he won this week, even though he was third. Isn't something I would

think I would care about? It was very jarring for me. I think it's the stats person in me that's like, he didn't win. People won't even remember that Tini and Genevieve were the two that beat him. It's

so uncomfortable for me. I'd feel like a fraud. I'd feel like a fraud. I'd be ashamed. I they, like, I just, it's, it's so uncomfortable for me. I'd feel like a fraud. I'd feel like a fraud. I'd be shamed. I'd be like, I'd hand it back. I'd fling it over, like give it to teeny. You know, she's like, are we talking some sort of one world situation where you go, no, we're going to tribal council. I'm going to travel. I don't want to be immune. That's fine. But I don't want to wear the necklace. Like I don't think I should be wearing this. I don't want to be. No, I was like, I want to be immune. That's fine. But I don't want to wear the necklace.

Like, I don't think I should be wearing this. I don't want this stat. I can be safe in my group. That's fair. But like, I mean, like what? So, and I was trying to think about this, like trying to contrive it a little bit so that the person on the other side can win something.

But it's like, do I even want to put more in the game? But it just felt so wrong that even the way Jeff was like, it's over, you're done. It was just just like that was just bad game design i felt it was so strange it was so weird and teeny and jenny were just like oh cool like we'd no one had no one wanted to win like this bizarro world i don't like it you know that's and that's that's like that's like where the game and again i, I'm not criticising the players because I love them all, but the game detracts from, like, Survivor. Like, it's like they've introduced this twist and all of a sudden,

what's his name, old country boy, Kyle is wearing a necklace, which is a great necklace. I love the necklace. But, like, you feel weird. It gives you the ick, you know, because you're like, well, that's not right. I mean, like a twist, like, you know, it just doesn't feel weird. It gives you the ick, you know, because you're like, well, that's not right. I mean, like a twist, like, you know, it just doesn't feel right.

It just doesn't feel something's not right and it hits you on a deeper level. Do you think the other thing is with like it's only been 13 days and I was thinking about Josh as well. How many times are you going to say that? I'm going to say it a lot because we were out there a lot longer. Wait, 26 days. Yes. What's going on?

What is the six of six? What is happening? Have you seen the film Number 13 with Jim Carrey? It's going to be very, it's very that. Oh, my God. What code are we being delivered here? It's like Iron Maiden, you know, like if you listen to Iron Maiden, the number of the beast, 666.

It's like if you play it backwards, it's going to beiden you know like if you listen to Iron Maiden the number of the beast 666 it's like if you play it backwards it's going to be like a satanic verse like has anyone played the episode backwards I actually have that's what I did next wait it's all sixes and six

that is bad that is a bad number the number of the beast yep in every configuration we get and six is, that is bad. That is a bad number. The number of the beast. Yep. Wait, oh my God. In every configuration, we have three sixes. We get it in three tribes. We get it in two groups and we have it in one group.

I know. We need a numberologist. Religious people in the States are going to be protesting. Yeah, I've become a conspiracy theorist so quickly right now. I'm just like, it's undeniable. Something's going on it's proof hang on shannon you did a three-person podcast last week and now you're in on it i'm secretly in on it yeah okay i'm trying to figure what i was going to say though yeah 21 days do you guys do you guys think 26 days going through this game i don't think it's long enough to actually get annoyed with people like at a just living at tribe disagree

i know i think that's one of the reasons why there hasn't been in the new era as many people sort of really getting under each other's skin and really blowing up it's very being very game yeah except for last season. Yeah, except for last season. Exactly. Last season was very different. But I think it's something about flying through the game and people just being able to be like, we'll just get through it.

We'll just put this person out. That's fine. In the old days, people used to really get frustrated with each other. And I think it's just a length thing. I know in Australian Survivor, people still get annoyed. Yeah. At what day could you no longer stand to look at Mark?

Tell me from a day perspective. I could look at Mark every day. That guy. Straight back at you. That's boring. Kelly, on the other hand. One minute. Six minutes.

Sorry. Well, this has gone so off the rails, but I'm One minute. Six minutes, sorry. Yeah. Well, this has gone so off the rails, but I'm reconsidering a lot of things. I want to tell you, Shannon, that I got some trivia. I did some research. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you know what the tribe name is? Becca.

Becca? Yeah. Do you know what that means? Bat. Yeah. That's the bloody theme of this. Like, that's how meta the game is going. It's like, yeah, it's, oh, okay.

Well, that's pretty anticlimactic. There we go. Moving on. No, I have a fear of bats, so I don't love it. So you know the name for bat in every language? That's like wherever you go. No, I'm on twitter a lot and someone tweeted someone tweeted that that was it nothing happens that i don't see all right but yeah i mean i know

bat and becca now those are the two types of bats and i know what what other trivia did you was that it no there's one more there's one more uh like's one more. Good. So, like, and I don't want to get political, but next week is the US presidential election. Like, do you know how many times Survivor and the US presidential election campaign has overlapped? What do you mean, on the same day? Well, no, no, no. But I mean, like, the election has come out whilst it's been on TV. I don't know how you make me do math Andy style and sitting there, like, in the has come out whilst it's been on TV. I don't know, you're making me do Math Andy style and sitting there,

like, in the sand. Every four years since 2000. But, like, have they missed? Like, is Survivor, has it always been Survivor? They missed 2020. I remember that because I was watching the election, like, it was Survivor. I'm like, they just flipped a vote.

But it was a state. It was a swing state. It wasn't like Caroline. It was Pennsylvania. Yeah, I'm trying to think. I don't know. How many years? Now I'm just thinking about Pennsylvania using an immunity idol to stay.

Go and ask some people because we can get some conspiracy theories from people who might. Is this a six time? Is this a six time? One, two, three, four, five, six. Oh, my God. Are six oh my god i'm getting up and i'm leaving with an asterisk with an asterisk because in the year 2000 uh al gorby george bush yeah uh it it didn't quite overlap but the recount if you're accounting The recount went to the 12th of December or like in December and then Africa was aired in early 2001.

So actually it's the 5th because of 2020. No, it's not. That's not. Well, like it's an asterisk. Six with an asterisk, yeah. But like pretty much every single time it's overlapped except for the first one. But like it was pretty close because borneo

and africa would like release quite close amongst each other but isn't that strange like isn't that amazing like you think how so long you think like how long has survivor been around freaking al gore was in running for president like oh my god that is yeah that's true i was seven years old i mean to be fair there's only an election every four years. It's like having a birthday in a leap year. Are you sure you were seven or not six? When was it? That was my birthday. You were actually seven? It's really strange that someone offered me free tickets to six this

week. I think we have to stop. It's worse than the Q stuff. It's really bad. It's getting worse. Yeah, good. Is anyone else enjoying this or what are we even talking about? I had a lot to talk about. Alright, let's talk about this. Hang on, have we started recording, Shannon? Oh, God.

You wouldn't think so. You wouldn't. We're actually 26 minutes in, Eden. No! We actually are because, like, with people's ads and stuff in mind it's like no but we can see the recording number it is it's 26 okay no okay real question real back on channel come on get us back on track buddy i'm the host i've enjoyed this so how screwed was tiana that's the the question, Eden. Just answer it.

You know, how much? Because I think that's been the big question this week. I think it is a big question. But they're screwed and then they're screwed. Because screwed sometimes implies that there is nothing you could have done to better your situation in the game. And the twist just came in and you're just like hands tied. Okay, well, I'm done then.

I think there were things that she could'm done then I think there were things that she could have done I think there was relationships that she couldn't build and look I think she was great but there were definitely mistakes that she made building up to this tribal council I think her breakdown relationship with Gabe I think the fact that she didn't try and build some better bonds like with Rachel she didn't have that She didn't have that really strong part. And the Caroline of it all, she never quite, she couldn't convince Caroline. But there was definitely things that she built better relationships

or if she kept Gabe on side. I actually think, do you think if Kyle was not immune, I was under the impression, I think Kyle actually may have been the target. I don't think so for the reasons of carl's i think a good shield and i also think that possibly at a point in the original toku like right after tk goes possibly but it would depend on how much they think they need him for challenges because clearly he's one to immunity challenges right so he's very good at the challenges um but that's what the stats say um but i do think now tiana's more of a pressing

issue for them like she's gone out of her way to throw gabe out repeatedly um in a way that is bad for gabe and bad for sue as an ally to gabe she she knew about um the red paint and i think in her exes was pretty inconsistent about how much she moved forward with sue with that so it could have been a bit of a ticking time bomb like i do think that she probably even without kyle being immune is the target but it is unfortunate that with kyle being immune you know when rachel leaves tribal eight of twelve people being immune is going to make it feel pretty constricted so like i think within that with the twist on the twist like it's always going to feel like someone got a little bit screwed and we can kind of like i think talk

through the metrics of that but i do think that with where Tiana was at in Tuku and the fact that this was a whole Tuku tribe and it was so earned of why she was on the bottom of Tuku and like the fact that she didn't know the dynamics of her tribe the whole time, like all of that stuff was very earned. So I feel like within the fact that there'll always be a little bit of an asterisk on something like this, she's at the upper, upper, upper, like most extreme end of the spectrum of, but within that, it's as earned as it could possibly be knowing we'll always kind of look side eye at how twisty something like this is

um what do you think ma uh i i think that she's pretty unlucky i think she's super unlucky and i think screwed is tough um but what what what i think is unlucky is that you, Gabe was at tribal council after Rachel left and he was like, oh, we just go back to how we were thinking back when we were three tribes. And I'm like, no, no, the game has moved on. Tiana's made connections. Like Tiana, boom, like as soon as it's merged, she's out there talking to um she's in the conversation with

Teenie she's in the conversation like building a girls alliance she is actually like building new relationships so I think she had done some really good work um in recognition of a position within the tribe like she wasn't just like sticking to it she was throwing Gabe out there like I think she she stuck her neck out you know she really stuck her neck out um throwing Gabe out there. Like, I think she stuck her neck out. You know, she really stuck her neck out throwing Gabe out there, not knowing that, one, they were going to get divided into two tribes, and then, two, all of the two Coup members would be on the same tribe plus Rachel. And then, three, Rachel was going to be removed at the last second,

you know. And so that's one. So I think that, like, you can't really put the genie back in the bottle once you've merged. You know, you go out there, you know, someone who's... To be fair, she did do it slightly before the merge at the social hour when Cuckoo could have gone back to tribal council.

That's true. And that's where she, like, didn't maintain her relationship with Sue. I think that's true. But her relationship with Caroline was, like, actually pretty good. And that's what I would get to number two is that, like, I don't think that tiana really stuffed up i think that it's more around caroline caroline deciding where

she wants to go in this game and caroline uh like sue sue's done uh uh but the way that caroline structured the the vote with with um i always call him old boy, Kyle, to vote for Tiana, because I really do feel like that was more of a decisive play from Caroline rather than like a stuff up on Tiana's behalf. I think she actually did quite well. I don't think those two things are like mutually exclusive though, right? Like I think the fact that Caroline wouldn't choose her and the fact that Tiana spent the game thinking that she was more aligned

with Sue and Caroline than someone like Gabe was, she's making all the decisions with that incorrect information. But I don't think she thought she was with Sue. I really felt like she was. I think she said she didn't know that Sue and Gabe were close. I think the thing is she didn't have that read that was obvious that she didn't know how close Gabe and Sue were because there's no way at that survivor hour she just put that out there

in front of Sue. Oh, how long is an hour? Like, just saying. Anyway, not off back of track. I'm just, it's weird. That read on the tribe dynamic at that point was obviously Sue's going to go back and tell Gabe. And unless you're going to take a shot and unless you know,

you can take a shot at someone putting someone's name out there that early is, is a huge red flag. I just love the Caro and the Caro and Tiana conversation was absolutely fantastic. It's one of my favorite conversations in this season so far. It was that perfect breakdown of two people seeing the game so differently and both and i loved how it was um this is purely brainstorming guys this is purely brainstorming i love that that concept that you can just give yourself the space to yeah i thought that was

that was perfect that carrie did that um this is really bumped carrie up in my books as well this one conversation the fact that tiana sees the game like if we come back as a strong unit we're going to be targeted we're going to be this and she's also emotionally she wants to get rid of gabe because she's already thrown his name out there so this is what she wants and then carol's like no i need my shields gabe's my shield and the fact that carol couldn't be swayed tiana didn't have the basically the the social capital the skills to really sway Kara at that point. And then Kara just convinced her to stick to the plan. And I just thought Kara just went so high in my books. To me, I wasn't really looking at it, but after that,

after what she sort of put together, I'm really impressed with how she broke that down. Yeah, I agree. I think both things are valid. Yeah. Caroline definitely is playing like a particular sort of game. She's executing it well so far, i do have concerns for caroline and i think like where we come down to the breakdown of the boat particularly in front of like half of the other tribe

yeah well that's interesting that you say that because i well i think like for tiana like in terms of like her you know being screwed i feel like there's you know a lot of nuance that's been given like as an example if Sol feels better about Tiana than Rachel, then he doesn't, you know, give the advantage. And like Heidi chose not to help Matt last time. And like, if Heidi had a similar thing and had chosen to help Matt and their relationship coming from Soka together would have been valid, but then like Jam Jam probably goes, you know, like it was, it was valid for Tiana that she was not on the bottom. It was a good configuration for her in terms of that, that Rachel was there, but she was second.

And that is earned. That's where Jam Jam was. And she loses that in a way that is like unforeseeable. You know, it's not like they like, you know, just like go for the shot in the dark, don't have another option, take the risk, it hits. And then like, what are you going to do? Like this was like, it was on another beach and it was 100 it wasn't you know the 16 so i think that that is tough and i think it's earned but at the same time i feel like the fact that she's at the bottom of the tribe in itself is earned the fact that like soul is is not giving it to her or is choosing to help rachel knowing it might doom tiana like that on the sideline they're like i think it'll be tiana so they know they're fine with dooming her um I think parts of that are earned and I also think the fact that um you know

she can't get her way like even when she wasn't gonna go Rachel was gonna go and that's not what she even wanted because she didn't have the power in that tribe and she put out Gabe's name with the wrong information and then inconsistently had to go against it because she couldn't get it done and I think that that kind of shows like the issues in her game like i think the fact that she was on the bottom of the tribe was incredibly earned and the fact that this tribe happened to be in this configuration was incredibly contrived and convoluted but once we've gotten there there's a reason it's her and it would never be someone like caroline and space on the work that they've done but i feel like you disagree about because

you are shaking your head it's just like i i agree but i also just think that it's like the way it panned out is like, you know, like when you have like a, like a decision, decision tree, it's like, like if, if left, if yes, then left, if no, then, and then it's like, like fucking like, sorry, like Tiana, like hit every single unlucky outcome in the breakdown, you know? Like, for example example did soul really prefer rachel over tiana or was it just more like hey let's just like remove the gata person and let these five tukus duke it out like it may not have been a personal thing towards tiana

i don't know it's necessarily personal but i think if he's that close with tiana then i know but it's like that's taking precedence. But then, yeah, and that is tough. Yeah. You know how it was also anonymous what Sol could do? No one else knew about it. And I think that set it up to be given to Rachel. Because if everyone knew that Sol had to give it to someone, I think you second-guess giving it to Rachel at that point.

But it's just 99% of the time, if no one knows what you're doing, in that configuration, you're giving it to Rachel. You're definitely giving it to Rachel because that puts, but it's just 99% of the time, if no one knows what you're doing in that configuration, you're giving it to Rachel. You're definitely giving it to Rachel because that puts the cat amongst the pigeons. Yeah. An Eagle. Six Eagles, you know?

Yeah. I think, I think that's, I think that's what it feels like. It's like when you do a twist like this, like if you have a big, like the, and we've, we'll talk about it. Like there was so many strategic possibilities. Like we don't know how the power structures will play out. It's kind of looking like it might be against tuku next week but like the possibilities the relationships were endless whereas now it breaks it down to like these kind of binary decisions that was going to

be like rachel or we're going to turn on each other then once rachel goes it's like gabe or tiana like it's these two things and that is very constricted for someone like tiana especially when the other person on the bottom is immune even though they didn't make him third in a challenge you know um and i mean like earn that immunity over her to be fair but like incredibly constricted and i think another thing that goes a little bit missing especially for someone like more like rachel even but like you know even looking at like someone like well like even if it had been a two-crew tribal council because this is like okay what's kind of like a swap like they merge and then swap again um but it's not

because i think if you were to swap then there are medium to long-term dynamics you have to think about for someone like rachel if they swap and they think we're going to be in this configuration for a certain amount of time absolutely they're thinking they're going to merge at a point so you already have to think about what they're thinking about what if we're a minority of gada like maybe we have to you know look at that anyway for a possible merge at a point depending on how much we win or when we merge we also have to think what if we lose and then we don't want to necessarily take out someone like a rachel because then what are we going to do next time you know like we might need her as a swing next time so you can then use that as leverage there's just so

little leverage someone can use when it's like you know you're in this configuration for one vote and there's little to think about and it's very binary i think it's bad from a tv perspective and i do think this was like the low light of a fun season for me and that like 10 minutes of tribal council knowing that rachel was gonna get up when she's like yeah i hope i'm in with the plan and i was like three times this please like yeah like painful like not with tv either but like also from a game perspective and with that tv just i think very very limited yeah you know what's also interesting about rachel which i haven't heard being discussed is i think she was um obviously like awesome to be safe and get yourself out of that situation but she didn't get to witness the tribal council. Like she went back to camp.

And so she didn't get to actually. No, no, no, no, no. But she didn't get like, I would have loved if that was me, I would have wanted to have gone to the jury and be like, well, can I just sit on the jury now and like observe this? So like when she goes back to camp, she's there. Maybe she's hunting varietals. I don't know. But then everyone's going to come back.

And then she has to hear like watching that scramble gave the people on the jury lots of information that i think is really really important they would have seen how gabe operated they would have seen how sue operated they would have seen caroline's sort of like crybaby face at the end and um and then like they're all going to come back and they'll tell rachel like oh by the way this happened and they can kind of like twist things and then you know like there's so so rachel doesn't get that truth so i think that's actually going to be um more difficult for rachel in terms of like trying to assess the tribal dynamics because who's she going to rely on she's going going to rely on Sam and Sierra to tell her the truth? And that's the really interesting point because where does Rachel go now?

Like what is the next step? I think Rachel's okay. But who does she talk to? Who does she be with? I think the go is Teenie. I think Teenie is there to be that connective tissue because, obviously, the old gutter tribe, they threw her under a bus.

They like broke up her alliance and everything like that. But I think Teenie's the way in for Rach. And I think if she can find something there and start building off that, and then I think that's going to be really good. Because remember the Andy of it all. Like Andy and Rachel, Andy was giving Rachel everything

at the very start of the game that we've totally forgotten about and rachel was like oh this guy yeah happy dog eyes and everything she yeah she totally honestly valid it is that's why you never you can never actively throw people away like that because you never know what's going to happen later on the game and it's if that could hurt her later on if andy and jen are building what i think they're building because it was very it was very deliberate that they showed them having a little conversation so there's going to be something there coming out and i think that's a that's a really interesting um between andy and jen they're all going to be on the jury voting for him or not voting for him to win i think like for andy like that's the the

revenge act that's definitely happening but also r Rachel didn't have the chance to bond. Like imagine if Rachel witnessed what happened, then she can be like, oh, Kyle, like, you know, like Kyle maybe didn't seem to be, you know, like she missed that information and so she doesn't get that leverage, that hook to engage with the Tuku people who remain. So I just, I wish that Rachel had that hook to engage with the, the Tuku people who remain. So I just, I wish, I wish that Rachel had the chance to sit and watch that because I think

unless she gets, yeah, I mean, she's off skating. Yeah. She's happy. She's like, there's like a Rachel shaped hole in the door. Like she's like, don't worry about it. I don't want to even be near what happens. But that, I mean, look, I think the first thing Rachel needs to do is maybe try find like the masked stranger who helped her, who with the confused faces is her, you know, her guardian angel. But I do think, and this is what I want to talk about with what you're talking about, the information that the other side get in this scramble. Who was really screwed?

Caroline, I think, was really screwed. And actually, Tuco in general, to be honest. But, like, particularly Caroline, because it was her move. It was very, very good for Caroline. As you're saying, Eden, super impressed with Caroline this episode because I don't think it was smart for anyone else on Tuku to stay strong. I think Gabe and Sue,

all the logic that Gabe was giving to Rachel about like, I will be the target when we go back for five. It's true. Like that's why you should get rid of someone like Tiana, have the fracture also the fact or be less of a number as well. The fact that, yeah, you will be the target, the fact that she's been throwing your name out, bad for Gabe and Sue. Tiana and Carl know, you know, that Gabe has been an issue for them. There's this huge divide, the threat issue. They're trying, but they can't get it done. So they're either not trying to,

or they can't. Caroline is the one person who will benefit from the two-coup group that she's in the middle of, that she has shield love moving forward it's only right for her and i think she convinces or is part of everyone else to their detriment working for her super impressed with it love the way she goes about it but now what has happened she she got her way they were all going to vote out rachel to their detriment i think and then now women's alliance knows she was going to vote out rachel let alone then have to vote out Tiana. No one could act as well as Tuku acted, you know, when Rachel leaves and they're all scrambling. Clearly, Rachel was going home. So they know that they were going to stay strong.

They know that they were going to vote out Rachel. She then has to, like, vote out Tiana. She had, like, a good plan. And she was even cutting off a social option in Rachel. She's like, you know, I don't really love. Oh, I like her so much that she has to go she's that good you know I think in a social game build bonds like that but it also made sense and it made sense to give that to Tiana at least even though she's also saying it to us in confessional but it makes sense I think to take out Rachel to stay strong as Tuku she was doing the best thing for her she managed it she got it done and now she's going back with the threat level of tuku being all strong together with the women's alliance as you know difficulties maybe in in

tatters um that relationship with rachel is gone but she's still in the game like i think for caroline as well as she played the twist that wasn't great for her you know like that that's for her i think maybe more than anyone thoughts on that i i'm not quite as down on caro i'm not quite as down as Caro. No, no, no. I love her. I just think, like, she did such good work. She deserves more for it, you know?

You're just saying her position, you think this wasn't great with her. I still think she's got her shields in the game. I think definitely people are coming for Gabe and possibly Kyle before her. And I think that gives her enough time to start building connection. I think Caro understands that the way you win new era survivor is you, you sit under the radar. You, you, you pop up every now and again, you build, you build tight relationships with people. You all you have to do is get your fingerprints on a few little things that

you can come back to, but you don't put your head up for long. You don't be the face of a move or anything like that. I think she understands that. And I think she'll be able to maneuver that moving forward. Oh disagree i disagree great let's get into it this is why eden couldn't stand to look at you 27 days no no no like and it's like it's a it's a subtle it's a subtle difference i agree i agree um about okay i i understand what you're saying about Caroline. And I think that we're looking at Caroline through what we're being shown, but I think she had a, I think Caroline is always going like a bit of a meta thing here. I think, and it's the name

may have some overlap. I think that Caroline may suffer from an ability to articulate her game if she gets to the end and if she plays this sort of game and I think that this was a beautiful moment for her to vote out Gabe and still but and still still be able to like sink back down and get you've got so many people out there are they really going to be targeting caroline for voting out gabe probably not but i do think that like by keeping gabe in the game i don't even think that gabe is who's who's working with gabe seriously like gabe is no one in tuku really wants to work with him he hasn't seen we haven't really seen i mean okay that's the i mean that's the crux of it. Sue is the biggest thing for me. And Sue's got an idol. Sue's got an idol as well.

I know, but like, yeah, okay, true. But I forgot about that. But I just think that this was a beautiful moment. I think this was a chance for Caroline to put herself forward a little bit and then go back to her relationship building that she was doing with Teenie and Tiana because Gabe and I don't really see that Gabe is treating her with respect. Gabe is not listening to her.

Gabe is not. He is out for and the way that Gabe was holding himself in that tribal council, he was like storming around and you could and the way that Gabe was holding himself in that tribal council, he was like storming around and you could see the way that he was doing it. And the best, the best part, the reason I think this is important is because Teenie and Genevieve and Sol on the, on the jury side, they're not on the jury, but you know what I mean?

They were like all being like, look at the emotion that, that Caroline is putting into this this isn't this hard they were like they had never experienced a live tribal council like this so they were getting information being like holy moly like if i end up in that situation i need people that i can trust and i think that they think that they can trust caroline more than they can trust gabe gabe just gave off off like total individual player vibe. So I feel like Gabe, I feel like Caroline, I know it's a bit risky, but I feel like Caroline had the chance to be a little bit flashy, a little bit bold, and then go back and like,

you need the resume points. I just can, I'm a bit concerned that Caroline might get lost in the, in the, in the numbers. She might get, she might get voted out. And she may, she may not, she may not be able to like have something available. And I think this is a, as a, at a six person travel down to five, I think this is a chance to do it and then go back to what was,

she's pretty much safe. I feel like she had a, and like, you know, like I know I get keeping Gabe as like a shield is, is an idea but i i don't think that i think she would have been all right kyle's one two two immunities with an asterix you know i think there are other options there uh so yeah yeah i think the girl thing going was good so yeah i wish that caroline took this yeah you agree but you just thought that this was an opportunity to have that pop up and then go back down. Yep. With Tiana. Tiana loves her. Tiana is absolutely coming to her every time. Tiana consulted her. She's listening to her. The way that Caroline manipulated Tiana was, well, not manipulated, but it was like she pitched in a way that made sense to Tiana. And Tiana was like, not my ideal situation. But then Caroline at the end of the day can just be

like, I was a deciding vote. You know what I mean? I just think that it was a chance for Caroline to not my ideal situation but then but then caroline at the end of the day can just be like you know like i was a deciding vote you know you know what i mean like i just think that it was a chance for caroline to have a moment where in this broader meta game of survivor i think people like caroline often aren't credited for subtle moves and i think yes this is a chance that she she had that she she missed i think that's a really fantastic point and i have i have so many thoughts around it i do think for someone in caroline's demographic being like maybe a quieter woman it is hard and you need like these concrete things um to really show that you played like a loud game that people care about i mean they're talking about big moves in this tribal council and i think right before i fell

asleep in the 10 minutes they gave me of this you did say something about you know smart big moves and people don't want that you know if you want flashy moves. I think there's still plenty of time. I think there's still plenty of time in the game. I do think, and we'll talk about it with Sol, that it is a short game. And I think if you see a move, you kind of in time should take it. And that's Mark's point. And I'm not saying I agree with him,

but I think it is a really valid counterpoint. And I think what else is a really valid counterpoint is what you said about she did have the control in her relationship with Tiana. Tiana's a difficult ally too, to be honest. I mean, she's out there throwing names, like no one agreed on that. And Gabe has his issues as an ally.

For me, I would go with Gabe for Sue. And Sue has her issues as an ally too, okay? That's been obvious as well. But, and I don't know that she has as much of the power in that group, but I do think her relationship with Sue is the most pivotal thing. And that's why I would go with Gabe. So I think that the the decisions she made in the order i would make

them i would i would vote out rachel first i think that's 100 correct at the point where push comes to shove and the twist happens i would stick with sue which is gabe and vote out tiana but i do have concerns you know not so much about like the way that gabe talks about them like they're like his pawns whatever i'm like yeah you talk how how you talk and Caroline has all the power like you can talk how you want but that's what you know we she's controlling things like she had your fate in her hands tonight the issue is in Tiana's exit interview I was really concerned about this Tiana kept referring don't trust don't trust exits no no no no she's not a juror not canon not canon but if this is the perception it's even worse if it is the perception it's even worse

if it's not canon it's even worse if it's being validated by something that happens in the future because the way she keeps referring to them is as injured birds

that keep running back to Gabe and Gabe can do it she gave the power to Gabe very much in her perception and that's how other people are looking at it or will look at it

in the future that really concerns me because I don't I don't agree with because i don't i don't agree with it i don't even believe that's true i'm like gabe you can wink at the camera all you want while rachel's not buying what you're selling like you can walk the walk but for me you should have the dodo music i don't agree that that's the structure of things but if other people see it that way possibly due to the way we view things in this patriarchal society perception is

reality and i am concerned about that in saying that i still i still think there's time i still think i love the way she's working i still keep my my better allies my real group i know that it's it's both it's stroding his group at that point you know where she can make a call but um i think that's been a group i think sue is her number one i would go in that direction i i was giving her three chippy points before she made the decision just for being in the position and being as well positioned and as safe as she was i still agree with it but i think it's a very interesting kind of point and i um yeah and those are my a couple of concerns and i think you've voiced that really well ma yeah i think when you merge you need to i think caroline was doing this is the this is why i'm angry at this twist because caroline was doing a great job in building new relationships and i

think that i think that she was on she was onto something with tiana and tiana is probably going to be voted off before caroline like and i think then she can like take the hero moment stab gabe in the back and make him look like a fool like that would be awesome like the emotion of the emotion of that is endearing, you know? Like, it's so endearing to, like, have Gabe, like, prance around. Like, because the way, seriously, rewatch it. I love you, Gabe. But you were prancing around. Like, the way he was doing it, it was so obvious.

And then for those other people just to see that, turn it into a funny little story being like, oh, Gabe, like, you know, thought he was hot shit, turns out he wasn't you know like you know what i mean like and then she came back to rachel and she can build something with rachel and say gabe was blowing smoke up your bum bum you know like yeah i don't know i like but it's not carol it's not who caroline is maybe uh and also you know these things are coming at you pretty fast in terms of that travel. I think time, I think a time pressure as well, not having that time to think about this. Like what Rachel got the advantage 20 minutes before and she told Deanna

and stuff like that, but that's still such a time crunch. 16 to 20 minutes, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Probably was. That is such a time crunch to be like, okay, this is what actually we're going to do now. Oh, absolutely. And to be forced in that position when you are thinking one way

and have to pivot to another is a big, big ask. But time will tell, team. Yeah. Well, I mean, it does seem like that's probably what she was going to do. And she's fully the swing vote. You know, Carl is actively trying to get Caroline across the line, across the Caroline, I guess. And she – that's a pun for you, Mark.

See? I mean, it wasn't even good. I didn't – I was like, oh, boo, Shannon made a pun for you mark see i mean um and she it wasn't i didn't i look oh boo shannon made a part um i think she would have done it anyway but yeah i mean look that that speaks to the tv element of like let's really catch them off their feet and then we've spoken about it so many times what do they do they will cling to the the you know without making the big moves more because this is the big move this is the big scary thing let me cling to what i know rather than having the time to process and weigh up what we've just spent you know 20 without making the big moves more, because this is the big move. This is the big scary thing. Let me cling to what I know rather than having the time to process and weigh up what we've just spent, you know, 20 something minutes discussing probably,

which it's an interesting decision. And I'm sure she's thought about it before, but she never thought she was going back to this Tuku group where they merge. And even in this situation, you know, she's already made a decision on Rachel Tuku. That's the binary she's been given and she can't sit with it in now and the new information she has of a possible women's alliance um so I still think that I would go with what she did but yeah I mean like definitely from a TV and game design perspective like yeah why wouldn't you let her sit through it and maybe then she flips and that's more exciting right um so

yeah it just doesn't make sense but I do think I will say for the women's alliance you know if like to me then she's going all in on the women's alliance she votes out Gabe and that's what we're doing um you know I think she tried to go all in on like Tuku with shields I think that was good and this was like a bit of a hybrid of like maybe you can fall back on a woman's thing um plus you have the shield plus you have like your group of Tuku that you've chosen um that I still think was the better option because I just think the women's, it just, the reason it can't work is because like every man is connected to a woman that the woman will not want to give that man up.

You know, like even Andy now has Genevieve. Like Ciara won't want to give up Sam. What all seven women who are bonded on this, like that valid thing of being women in the game. And that is very valid. But like, what can they agree on? Like Sue wouldn't agree on Gabe. Caroline wouldn't agree on Gabe. Well, when Tiana was there, she wouldn't agree on Kyle, who to't agree on Gabe. Caroline wouldn't agree on Gabe.

Well, when Tiana was there, she wouldn't agree on Carl, who to be fair might be a good one next time now. But like, that's why I find the women's thing really hard. And even the Black Widow Brigade like had the issues. They had to leave Amanda out of the Aussie vote. You know, like it's very hard to get seven people who have all these other relationships, often with half of the people that are playing,

which is the men, to agree on it. And I think that's a really tough thing to put all your eggs in that basket not a straight white man what do you think eden i i think as this white male um i think the women's alliance and teeny said it best it's it's a myth it's mythical it's it's it's big it's it's basically the concept is bigger than the reality of it and that's why i don't think it can ever work because it's again it's it's basically the concept is bigger than the reality of it and that's why i don't think it can ever work because it's again it's not built on relationship building and who's connected with who it is just this idea that oh we're just all going to work together and we're not going to take into account any other relationships that anyone else has and it has

it has to rely on everyone agreeing to go all in on that concept and burn every other relationship they've built in the entire game. Unless we're going back to a time where we have all women tribes, all men tribes, things like that, you're always going to have these cross wires. And that's why I don't think it's ever actually a reality. I just don't think it is. Well, that's why they left out the One World Alliance that, you know, has been done since Black Widow Red, but that was their tribe you know how many tribal

made it to the end that was that was an all-women's tribe i think that like obviously bond yeah bonding over being women is is really valid you know like that is like the similarity of like being women in the game that is a true connective like genuine um you know like and we see this with like cultural alliance as well and i think all of that is valid um if it's something that's like really key to your identity especially in a way that like often has gone negatively for you and you need to like push against something i think that's really something to bond over but it doesn't take into account how difficult it is then how murky like yeah that you then other relationships will get severed with this being like the number one

thing and i just don't think that there is like there's a man for all of them to agree on there's men for some of them to agree on but i don't see how all of the seven women that were in the game even if they'd gone to a 12 person here like who would have been given up and i don't i can't see the name but but but but come on like i agree shannon that it's a it is a valid thing to bond over and if you actually go think about it when they when it was floated it was teeny saying basically hey we know that this is the last like whoever like who if we get if we get through tonight or the next vote we're all on the jury you know and i think it was more around that i think it was more around if we send a guy home tonight like you know there's how many of them are on the beach you're trying to build connections with all these random people you

probably can't even remember half of their names um you know like they're like soup yeah which one she doesn't play pickleball um anyway like the one who doesn't play pickleball yeah but everyone else is the fastest growing sport in america yeah according yeah tyson i mean i'm um i'm a season behind on shrinking and that was a line from from shrinking so okay but pickleball is a huge thing in america and so every everyone sues the one who doesn't play they're asking her that because isn't it like an old person's sport like they played it on the golden but she's like i'm only 45 well it's smaller it's yeah she probably does play pickleball by the way and is lying about it based on everything she said so far i'm sure hello fellow teenagers who come in with a game controller who don't play pickleball

but like but like you know what I mean? Like, I don't think that they were saying like, we're going to go to the end, like the Black Widow Brigade or whatever. I think it's more like, can we just get everyone to the, to the jury? And that's a thing I do. Sorry, Eden. I do think it's a thing. Like when you get to the jury, it's just like, sorry Eden, you mentioned the jury. I'm the owner. I was like, you never made the jury. You can can breathe it just gives you breathing space and i think it was

a really good play from teeny to just kind of float it in that way it's like you know what like all we need to do is just get to one they could have voted out gabe like tiana was throwing out gabe like caroline you know like maybe sue wasn't sue wasn't in that conversation i couldn't see so i do think that it was like not not like we're going to the end together. It's more just like let's just get through this vote and see where we end up without them knowing that the bloody production is going to mess up their gameplay, which is, again, why I'm applauding the players,

trying to build relationships, trying to figure things out, trying to float. Why not? Why not talk about a women's alliance? It's cool. It's so cool. It would have been a really interesting vote. It would have been a really interesting vote. I don't know what would have happened and we'll never know, but I will say, I think the odds of all seven women voting out a man in this vote, exactly.

Some women might've worked with some of their male allies to vote out a man, but a women's alliance like that, there's not a name for it to work like that. It has to be groups that make more sense together than that. And I can't see who acquiesces to give up the bed to sacrifice. So if they're all paid with individual immunity. But Tiana wouldn't have let, Tiana wouldn't have wanted Carl to go. Now Carl's got to do that thing. Spoo doesn't count.

She was playing like, she was practicing. Caroline wouldn't give up Gabe. And Sue is there, Mark. Sue is playing. Not the good boy, but she's playing Survivor. I like Sue. I like Sue. She's got a red hand and everything.

Yeah. So I just, I don't, I don't, I don't, yeah, I don't know how. I think it's a really, it's a really, it's a really, really difficult task. And then it always fails. That's another reason I know it wouldn't have worked because it never does. I always said it if they talk about a woman's alliance in the first act a woman will go home in the third act it's check off women's alliance it happens every single time so i know for a fact that a woman would have gone home regardless okay it's just the way the cookie

crumbles so but you know like it's like survival law it's like why would you go through a whole season as a super fan and not like hey should we do this there was there was a secret scene about gabe rallying the men to be like the women are going to do something and i'm like you are so lucky this was a secret scene people find it people work out how to watch the secret scenes which is incredibly difficult to do and i don't even know how people are doing it you have to use the back channels. At this point, you need a VPN. A lot's going on for me, I do.

But if people find what Gabe was doing, and if that hits Twitter, it's going to be... There it was. There it was. Gabe posted it. Gabe posted it. There was some Twitter drama with the cast today, and I was like, this will even crack the least dramatic day of 46 like come back when you're actually it's not on you know like

turning your account off and like logging out for good and then logging back on immediately like that's what i yeah i don't know where i went who should we talk about now i am the host of this i have things we need to talk about oh this is a little thing and then I move on. Just on this last thing, I do want to talk about Sol. Just on Tiana and Gabe, I tweeted this. I just wanted to say both of them should have played their shot in the dark if they thought there was any chance they could go. I was going to say, I cannot believe Tiana

didn't play a shot in the dark. Tiana thought there was no chance she was going. She thinks it's a 4-1. That's another thing there as well. That's the blind side. And to be fair, Gabe is right right but even in being even in being in the 50-50 like they're sitting on the sidelines in like the jury bench saying it's Tiana or Gabe and yeah just like there's a little bit of a loophole because obviously if you are a numbers loophole if you if you're one to four down as Tiana goes home or even two to three

if Kyle's with her then you're out you need to play Sean the dark your vote doesn't matter and if you're four to one obviously your vote doesn't matter um if you're even winning best to just be cautious um but if you're three to two then um that's still okay they don't need your vote because on the two to two re-vote you don't re-vote anyway so your non-vote is cancelled on the re-vote and then your side on the three to two will win two to one and I even think that if you go to Caroline your allies who are really swings and I'm like I'm just really scared I'm just gonna play my shot just in case i don't know what's going on this is last minute we're all scrambling then maybe caroline or someone is like oh don't want that like i don't need another shot not to hit in this very twisty day and possibly it even pushes

people so just wanted to say that well what do you think about rachel using the block of i know you'd never do it yeah that's not what rachel that's what i was r Rachel using the block of I know you'd never do it yeah that's what I Rachel using the block of vote um to be able to and look again you'd never do this in this situation you'd go like I'm just going to be safe I'm just going to go home but let's speculate about it anyway theoretically I was thinking about this so you could theoretically like block block when the votes still vote with Tiana and kyle and then you have your your three there i think the trick with that is you block caro's vote because if you block gabe's vote sues of like gabe's been looking for idols you don't know what's happening there that's probably a red flag either sue plays her idol for gabe at that point um and and freaks out what's happening

here so you play it for caro it for Caro because Gabe has already told you that Caro is the vote previously. By blocking Caro's vote, Gabe probably thinks you're in, going like, oh, well, she's doing what I've told her to do. That's great. No suspicion of using an idol or anything like that. You go, yep, this is cool. And then you three just vote Gabe out.

Yeah, well, that's interesting because he had given her the decoy um i thought caroline was kind of like a really really good name because um because like sue's too emotional like if it ever gets back to sue i feel like she would hate that you know and then um tiana's too real like tiana actually is the target that you're then giving to rachel of like what that's like a real crack that you're giving her whereas caroline is so logical she's the one we know benefits most from two who stay in together from rachel not playing a shot in the dark that might hit so i feel like you could go to caroline as sam might have you know gone to andy and we can talk about that and how it should have and be like this is why you're the name and

she'd be like that makes sense um so i thought but the best he could give her was a tie um which was implausible i think so oh my god gabe is ridiculous that was that was that was like fingernails on the blackboard i was like oh tiana did that so well tiana's conversation with rachel rachel walked away being like tiana's was true and gabe was lying and like i know but rachel was so obvious to rachel it was like yeah like did you know Rachel was so obvious to Rachel it was like yeah like did you know it was almost like Gabe hadn't thought that it was going to go to rocks because then she's like and he was like

oh yeah that's that's cool yeah I'll go to rocks yeah I mean this between me and you Rachel this situation is never happening so like I'll go to fake rocks like I go to fake rocks tomorrow um yeah it was unfortunate because Caroline and like you could never say like yes sue will vote with us uh and you and you wouldn't say tiana would vote but

like this can i just say to caroline's power while she's the she's the best person to throw out because she's like logical enough that and implausible enough that she would handle it well and it won't actually fracture tooku but she's so well insulated that you can't even put out a fake plan where she might be the decoy because there aren't enough people who would do that because everyone wants to work with Caroline. But that is impressive from Caroline. Yeah. In terms of using the vote block, I liked that they gave Rachel the choice because choices.

Yeah. I liked that the choice was between like agency and protection. But then i also think safety without power is so obvious and very powerful and like she was so badly screwed and then like it was so hugely reversed it was just like you know whiplash from all of that um but yeah i think like with the vote block there is still the chance that the idols played on gabe you know there's you don't know who has idols maybe Maybe Gabe has his own idol and it's just like, screw all of this. Always possible. I'd be out

of there so fast. Again, it would be Rachel Tate Cole. This is the new era. Also, you don't know you're sitting there being like, this is the craziest number of twists that we've just gone through. What are the other twists that could possibly

be happening? You're like, is, like, Sol going to sit in Jeff's seat and, like, narrate the rest of this tribal council? Like, you know what I mean? You're like, just get me out. The block of vote as well. If the block of vote goes to anyone else in there, they just use that on Rachel and then she can't use a shot in the dark.

Yeah. If it was, like, four two-coos, Rachel and then she can't use a shot in the dark yeah if if if it was like four two coups Rachel and Sol and instead it's um you know Sue who finds it on the other side and sends it then yeah she just blocks the vote and then she can't play a shot in the dark it could have been suppressive like I think that that's yeah that's going missing a little bit um in that as well because of the way that it shook out it is you know more likely that if these groups are kind of coalescing in what will be kind of well that is unlikely anyway but like if these groups are coalescing in what will be like oppositional forces which it looks like they will help the person on the bottom but yeah in a world where

he is like i do think actually i want to i want to be with with tuku and then he just gives it to them and they just play it on rachel and she can't even play a shot in the dark and it's the most depressing episode in survivor history like it is just not fun at all for anyone so kind of lucky that um it didn't go that way but yeah i think like you're not you're not um taking a chance with the vote block i do think that tiana is i think tiana and kyle are flipping at the point where she's blocked one of the other votes. I think that Tiana seemed to want to do it, but, um, the idol would still be very scary for me. Um, what else about Rachel? What do you, Mark, what are you thinking about? You know, we talked a little bit about position, but yeah.

I really like Rachel. She's got a, um, I think she's got a tie tattoo on her back, um, as a tie speaker. And I've been trying to zoom in and read it. Um, but I. Why are you zooming in on Rachel's back? Like, it sounds just worse than walking in and being like, what are you doing? What are you zooming in on? I'm doing my Thai language training.

Thank you very much. So if you're listening, Rachel, let us know. So I'm intrigued by her, that. I also think that she had a- I think she had had a great her and caroline to me uh the way that they see each other is quite interesting to me that caroline sees rachel as a threat and i um so i do think they have that similar sort of gameplay i do think that um rachel has done amazing at puzzles and uh u.s survivors want to do um puzzles so um she could dig herself out of a hole via via puzzles but i do i like i think that she is yeah a very likable very likable player

and like i think she's pretty good at um just like building bonds so yeah big big rachel fan wish she got the rice i think that was like hilarious like i i think i think that's what that's what i'm getting at in terms of like having fun i think that like new white rule yeah yeah yeah i think it's very endearing and i think that rachel is is finding ways to be endearing to people um and uh yeah i i think think like, I really hope she does well. Um, but yeah, I'm just obsessed with the tie tattoo. So yeah, I get obsessed with tattoos. What do you think of Rachel right now? I think, I think Rachel getting sort of through this one, um,

I think it's going to give her the ability to hide a little bit. I think she's going to drop back down under the radar. I think she needs to get in with teeny. I think she's going to drop back down under the radar. I think she needs to get in with Teenie. I think she's super smart. I think her puzzle, we've seen her knock out so many puzzles in this game so far. So I think that's going to be her superpower. And the fact that she's not, her relationship with Andy

is going to be the fulcrum point moving forward because Andy has now made connections with Sol and with Jen. He looks like he wants to go scorched earth on um on Sam and Sierra so Rachel could obviously get on board with that but her relationship with Andy is so fractured anyway so I think that's going to be something that's going to be really hard and I don't think I like honestly this is the start of Andy's like super villain origin story origin story, I think. Andy is going to pull apart so many people's games moving forward. I think it's going to be such a great arc. It will be the day they voted out John Lovett, I think.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, shoot. I think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The thing with Andy, though, is I think that – I can't wait to talk about Andy. But Andy believes that he had the upper hand over rachel well he did when they voted off anika right rest in peace anika i love

you um but um but so i think that andy will see rachel as i don't think that'll block andy from working with rachel because i think that andy Andy from working with Rachel because I think that Andy will see himself as giving an olive branch to Rachel should Rachel approach him. I think that Rachel has the EQ to understand that Andy thinks that he's above her and so she can flatter him and easily integrate herself with a group that is potentially taking a hit on Sierra and Sam, whereas Andy's perspective with respect to Sam

and Sierra will be very different. And so, like, he'll be going scorched earth on Sam and Sierra, but not so much Anika because he's already had the greatest – Rachel, sorry. Oh, rain. He's always got, like – that was the greatest moment in the game for him so far was voting off Anika. So I think we – yeah, so I think that – yeah, publicly saying that.

So I think that he will see Rachel from a different perspective, which is good for Rachel because I think she's smart enough to manoeuvre around that. And I think – Andy. Sorry, I was just going to say Andy's understanding of like where Sam and Sierra are, and I think it's been a few – there's been a few levels in it, but I've just got to say Andy's understanding of like where Sam and Sierra are. And I think it's been a few, there's been a few levels in it,

but I just got to give a shout out in terms of the conversation, the scoop up conversation that they had to do that soul and Jen did so well that Sam and Sierra didn't, we obviously didn't see it, but didn't seem like they did. Oh my God. To take the soul to be having that conversation and go from being the one that voted him to then being in alliance with him by the end of it is amazing and the key to it is you're telling something that andy already has at the back of his arm because he's obviously fearful of people of being picked last and not being in the center of things he was under the

impression that kim and sam were the one two and that sierra was going to to be the one that they'd get rid of and it became very evident with the schoolyard pick. I'm sure you saw, like, Andy being picked. Like, Sierra didn't even pick it. Sierra picked Sue over Andy. I think the energy, I don't know. Andy did say that he has been bad at challenges. Like, he knows that.

He was first out again. He was first out again. I know. I know. I know. This one. But in saying that, and then when Sol was giving him that information, even though it was sort of Sue that sort of put it out there,

he just leapt onto it because he knew in the back of his heart, it was just confirming so many things for him. And giving him the ability now to sort of come back on Sam and Sierra, I think, yeah, Andy's going to be really fun moving forward. And for him to build a relationship with not only Sol but also Jen, oh, chef's kiss. It's going to be really good. Yeah yeah I have thoughts on Rachel and Andy for Rachel I'm impressed that she that they were also worried about her Sam and Sierra Sam especially was like oh my god I hope

she's okay I was like oh I thought she was like really at the bottom for you like we haven't seen really how that relationship with God and her has progressed and seemingly really well like I was really impressed by how they were all sitting there being like hope Rachel doesn't go and the interesting thing and we talk about it from Sol's perspective and we will in terms of him using the advantage is like if Rachel goes you have a six to five majority some might say that's better like everything that they're saying about coming back badly five to six is true of how good it would be to be six to five I used to talk about this a lot and I maintain you know you want to be a slim majority and then that will really bond you like if you come back seven or four now it's like we kind of already won the war who else

is kind of up for grabs maybe you know that might be the one thing that kind of saves someone like a Kyle who was like a threat in this two crew group um so yeah like being a six to five and being like we'll avenge you Rachel and this really unfair thing that happened um that could have been actually really unifying and then yeah being five to six is awful and if you if you want to be it's everything they were saying about why you start like pushing people off the ship that's sinking is that you want to be i think like an extreme minority to be like we're just four people like we're nothing now compared to like yeah the six to five like you actually need to strike now like you have to act you actively

cannot miss that shot at 11 so um possibly it could have like you know they could have not been that worried about rachel and it would have been fine but they all cared so much about her um and i think that was really impressive of where she's adorable compared to yeah i didn't think that it was because caroline was very smart calls her the glue of gotta like i can't believe that's true based on all of the evidence but then the way that they were all talking about her and how worried they were everything caroline was saying about how dangerous rachel is and how much people like her that part did seem to to make sense so i think that that um you know that speaks well um for her but then she's she's got great social skills and she's

on the bottom which is the perfect place for someone like Rachel to be in because she will find a way to build relationships like that's what she'll do and she's not she's not super threatening um and she's funny so yeah yeah I'm not worried for her because I think she has this group now that like she's like their mascots like we saved you we were so worried about you she's like really um and then like I think she's got um yeah a great group in that for Andy I want to talk about it. Sam, what happened? Like, I don't know. I assume Sam spoke to Andy.

We didn't see it. But I know it seems like soul told, soul gets in to have the conversation Sam needs to be having. Last week, I went to bat for Sam agreeing to put out Andy's name because I didn't want, you know, Andy to be Mariah. And I didn't think that them all being so close with God, I think I thought that could make Andy the primary target. I thought Sam could come back and explain to Andy. They put out the narrative that he's the underdog. And now we've had to go with it. You weren't really in any danger.

Rome was, he was never going to play anything. He thought he was controlling the tribe. Now, even more so people don't know how close we are. That narrative is great. We're controlling everything and we're a secret group how was that not the conversation how is soul controlling the narrative to tell andy and now andy's so like i still vouch for sam's move because i think that if it was managed better that can be done but then like it's a two-part move and you like you've screwed up the second part so now the first part and and soul did it well and jenna did it great and sam really screwed that up and it was just so upsetting to me because it's just just terrible get in there get in first it's and they were the first that was the first

conversation because you know when they came back and instantly they were like let's go talk and soul got so was the first conversation and that just And that just sets the narrative up. And he gave Andy exactly what Andy thought subconsciously in his head was happening, and he just fed him that, and it just was on after that point. You know what's interesting? You've got to talk about Sol, Mark. Well, no, no, no.

I think it's interesting from Andy's perspective. Contrast the Sol and Genevieve conversations with Andy. I mean, I love Sol. Sol, actually, I think Andy pulled Sol to the side to sort of be like, bro, why did you do that? I don't think it was actually Sol initiating it, which is fine. He did a great job. But in that conversation, Andy is very much like,

out of everyone on God's green earth. Why was it me? I'm like, all of a sudden, like we're like choosing people based on the range of options on God's green earth. But I don't think he cares that much. But anyway, like it wasn't as if Andy was building a relationship. Andy was identifying mutual interests. He was like, you know, like what I'm looking for is a number one ally. And do you want to be my number one'm looking for is a number one ally and do you

want to be my number one ally please be my number one ally whereas the conversation that genevieve the way that genevieve approached um andy as in the middle of the night he's got his glasses on he's like drawing up a hit list um it was very much more around emotional plus strategic. And Andy, the way that Andy was like, I have a vision. And he had like the crazy eye look in his face. And Jeremy was like, yes, another unhinged ally to work with. Like it was, that was the unique difference between the two. And also the, I agree with with eden like the timing is important so like immediately after tribal council and he's got smoke coming out of his ears he bails

up and sol does an amazing job of turning voting into andy into an ally um that but also he puts himself in a subservient position to andy which i think is really smart for someone who has Andy's neuroses. But with Genevieve, it was Genevieve approaching him once he'd had a little bit of a chance to cool down. He'd taken the edge off. Sol had already taken the edge off. I would love to know if Sol and Genevieve were working together on this.

That would be like, oh my God, that would be so good. When will we get a flashback on it? Because I would have to. That would be so good when we get a flashback on it because i would have that would be so good like a spider web that is invisible hand territory so yeah um but yeah so but i think that the way that genevieve did it was like was um it was it the timing suited genevieve much better to kind of like come in with like when and was in more and reflective mode and then more receptive to a more emotional base plus strategic conversation. So I'm really impressed with Sol. I think he did a great job.

Really impressed that Andy is not being too timid in terms of like taking the game into his own hands. I think he's really going to do it. He has a vision. Seriously, rewatch the tape. It's creepy as all hell. And then Genevieve's just blowing oxygen into that fire. It's going to turn into a bla a vision seriously re-watch the tape it's creepy as all hell and then Genevieve's just blowing oxygen into that fire it's going to turn into a blaze so do you like how Andy said

to Sol I need to know your next three moves he's really putting it to him really reminded me of someone I won't say who but yeah who is it text me, I, I, oh, who is it? Text me. Um, I feel like, um, yeah, Genevieve did a really good job of getting Andy like excited about it. And it did feel very natural. And Genevieve, I mean, she has a thing where like, she, she like, Survivor's about like, when you, you love people, you do well. I think it was sort of said about like hairdressers, like who are such like people, people, you know, like, and that's their job.

But Genevieve wants to like help people. And like, I think it's burned her because it was wrong with Rome, but it's also a broadly good nurturing social quality. Right. And when it doesn't burn her, I think that it, that it, that probably, you know, high risk, high reward on it, but like it could go very, very well. And I think it will with Andy. I think with Andy, you look at someone like Sierra, who's so out on Andy. Like Sierra is so out on Andy that I'm like even lower

on how Godda went for her and again she could only take it to a two-two but the fact that like losing out in that leverage with Sam um like she doesn't want to work with Andy at all I didn't realize it was that far gone and I'm like pretty negative about where like that is for her um but i do think as well um that sorry what was i saying with um with uh with godda oh yeah this was it they the reason lava were fine is because they've already been with rome right yeah there's like who could work with andy they're like this lava was like this is child's play and he's completely fine compared to robe yeah that's why Saul and Genevieve they're all like this is fine and got her like Sarah's like so sloppy and Genevieve's like I've seen sloppier like it could be worse like I'm willing to take the chance on

Andy Shannon you're being I think you've misread Genevieve you're saying that she's trying to help people I think Genevieve is like she is a master in manipulation I don't think she's trying to help people. I think Genevieve is like, she is a master in manipulation. I don't think she's trying to help. She's just like, I am going to use my skills. But she's projecting the help, the helpful friend. I don't think she's actually. No, I think, I really think like, I mean, it will help her in the game. It will help her in the game, but it has to come from something real.

Like, of course she's doing it for her benefit. And of course she can use it. But she has a confessional where she's like the reason she connects with andy and if he does like a really true connection is because he had that meltdown on the mat and her heart went out to him and she connects with him on that rather than being turned off by that which something like sierra as an example i read the complete opposite way i was like she was like i saw how how how badly that went yes do you think no that's not what she was like, I saw how, how, how badly that went. Do you think, no, that's not what she was saying.

Do you think she was like, I saw him struggle in his lowest moment and I was like, I can exploit this. I think she was like. Yes, absolutely. Yes. She's got a type. I know. I'm like, I know she's happily married, but if she was single, I'd be like, I can like I'm concerned for your dating no

Genevieve's totally fine she's at peace with herself she's like I've worked with these people before I know what they need I am smarter than them she cast Rome out yeah but then I'll cut you and then I'll rebuild

that's her brother she doesn't care she wasn't sleeping she was fine she's like oh I am going to. She cast Rome out like he was trash. Yeah, but then I'll cut you and then I'll rebuild. That's her brother. Like, she doesn't care. She wasn't sleeping. She was fine. She's like, oh, out with Rome, in with Andy. Like, she's got the best teeth in, like, US survivor history. She's got one.

She's chomped through Rome. Now she's chomping through Andy. She'll chomp through half of this tribe. She's chomping her way to the end. She's doing so well. And I don't think it's from, like, a kind-hearted place i think genevieve is here to play you know what i love about genevieve is when i just want to throw one thing out remember when they threw when remember when they voted at kishan amazing move genevieve had a moment of genevieve had a moment of pure bliss at tribal council of like evil delight do you remember that oh yeah

jeff was jeff was like you seem to be enjoying this too much and that was the real jenna jenna coming through her being like because she knew she was about to knife kishan in the back and he had no idea and she let the the joy come out and uh and i think that is the real genevieve she doesn't she doesn't show up much but but that's real genevieve i love and i love it it can be like of course person like i think that she yeah i think yeah and she probably has a bit of that too i mean this isn't the tessa podcast but i think that she has i think there is a real connection even with rome i think she found rome fun like in the little bit of content we had before she had a breakout episode like i think she

was like you know like i think there's a true thing there and i don't think it's it's calculated that's why it can be calculated and to her benefit and she will use it very very well but it can also be based on like a real genuine she's such a social person like she's a social queen and like that connection is based on something really true you look like a player like d like some people said that she was like you know too loyal to her allies and stuff but like that again like for her it was like that true loyalty and stuff that really connected people but genevieve i think it's like a really true charm it comes from something very real and then she uses it and i think there is a connection with andy and i don't think she was thinking in his worst moment there's i'm gonna really exploit

this guy i think she was thinking that poor guy and she likes him and she's gonna use it to hopefully both of their benefit but if it can only be to one of their benefit it will be to hers but i i think as well with her she's she she with the highest high reward of these like you know injured bird type players she keeps picking up and the danger of that she's the perfect person to do it because she is so social that she'll rebound so well so it's like oh that didn't work out cutting that one moving on to the next bad choice you know like and that will be every single person they voted off red tribe she was having that scoop up conversation and she was talking them through and she was going back to them and saying like this is just what we have to do and everything she's like she didn't have a lot to do this episode but she's awesome i loved it yeah well

she didn't get to vote so because she didn't win a challenge but she did outlast the winner of the challenge we're following along what's happening here um she's the most practical clothing she wears long pants long jacket with uh she has a long sleeve shirt and she puts her sock she tucks her socks over the bottom of her pants so she not she's planned she's a fan because that's where the mozzies get in mozzies mosquitoes for the american listeners um they get into the ankles so like she she is like i'm surprised every ever on every element she is so like she's so prepared she's so smart she's ahead of the game i'm honestly she's surprising that she prepared her bed did you

read her she was playing baldur's Gate 3 for most of the pregame. Yeah, I said I loved her pregame interview so much. I said she's a sparkly person from the beginning. I was a little concerned she said she didn't learn how to make fire and if Jadaviv goes on fire at the final four, that'll be my villain origin story.

But I did say to Peter, she mentioned Baldur's Gate. Is that the game you play? He's like, yes, I only talk about it incessantly. And I was like, I picked it up when you were talking about it every day. So, yeah, now I'm worried for fire. Yeah, gone and fall. That's it. Pulled it now.

Oh, don't do that. Don't put that out in the universe. Andy wins. Maybe it's like Final Six fire. Yeah, and that's why they didn't show her to us for the first couple episodes because they're like they're gonna be so angry let's try and minimize this as much as we can until it's just we literally can't until the moment we literally can't and oh my god don't wow i'm really concerned about that now um but yeah in terms of soul um it was a bit of a different conversation with andy um compared to genevieve i did find that there was like a little bit of that a little bit of that harshness with Andy but they both tried to turn

the fact that he had just voted for Andy around and I thought Sol was really helped by the fact that like Teenie's like oh Sol's the only known vote I'm like what about like more concerning to Andy and what really I think helped Sol and he did well too but like yeah that there was a second vote for Andy that he could be like they told me to do it and I can prove it by the fact that it wasn't just me like I didn't just have that moment in the in the voting booth like this was something that had been discussed and planned and there's a second vote to prove it more even more concerning for for Andy I think um and I think he did really well with that what did you think about Andy giving soul so much in terms of like and then we're going to come for Goddard like that's like quite a lot to give someone

who just broke the day down like 10 minutes ago, right? Like what did you think he did? Yeah, I think that's how Andy plays the game. He's sloppy. He's so sloppy. This is why I love him because he does things like this. He's reactionary. He quotes the movie Signs as well.

Swing away, Andy, swing away. He's just like the fact that he has just given everything over to soul also would have to do now is just go back and say look this is actually what's happening andy's uh andy's got full salting the earth so nothing grows again yeah you salt the earth salting it soul so, good. Yeah, good. We're still going, guys. I'm thinking Simpsons references, Shannon. You should be on top of that. I did.

I put up thank you, my stranger, for the way Rachel was like, thank you, whoever you are. Yeah. Yeah. Good. I think it was terrible on Andy. I think Andy came across too sort of angry at Sol initially, and it was only Sol.

Sol's mirroring. Sol's not mirroring Andy's. He's bringing him down to be like let's just have a conversation but to come out there and being like why did you do this why did you you've you've attacked me and everything like that and i think it just goes to show you how how well soul can um we like when you do management training we talk about you you move from behind the counter you take someone away you sit down with them then you don't mirror that their energy and you bring it down to your energy and soul's just doing all these things like he's a medical sales medical sales um so he knows how to talk to people in those regards um andy has set himself up to just like take everyone else down and but i

think the thing that's going to work is that soul needs these little connections to move forward in the game. So he's not going to burn that and he's going to use it to his advantage. And I think there's going to be some really great cross tribal alliances happening now, which I always love cross tribal alliances when it really works. And so this is going to set up some interesting dynamics because then you bring Jen,

Jen's in there with Andy, then soul. And it's teeny, it'sie really super tight with those guys? We don't know. I wish. We don't know. That's a big question mark. Like I'm really disappointed with sort of Teenie's edit at the moment.

Like I was, I had really high hopes for her moving forward, but she just seems to just be swallowed up in everything else. I'm hoping she managed to get her feet under her again and actually start pulling pulling off something because um you mean that you mean that all of these twists uh preventing people from yeah teeny hasn't you know i've been teeny was safe last time like a statement like not a tribal this time like there's not a lot teeny's having potato salad and enjoying it after not getting potato salad a couple of weeks ago, finally got and enjoyed the potato salad.

So that's what the important thing is. I think the dynamics for me will be between these kind of two power groups we've heard about. Like is Tuku still so concerning that as a four, that they're the problem. Someone like Kyle who does have these stats now, someone like Kyle who I thought these stats now someone like Carl who I thought this was good for Gabe but not great for Carl and they were mentioning it on the

noodles like voting with Tuku like he could have been a lone wolf or maybe Gabe's the bigger issue but now he's like like hard for me to see how like Carl isn't a major person of concern next time but then I also think the other part is like we've always heard of Sam and Sierra so if Tuku have kind of dealt with their own issues now and are less of the threat now, then I do wonder if we go back to Sam and Sierra. And I do think someone like Sol, especially if like, how quickly is Andy getting to, you know, the point where he wants to turn someone like Sol is incentivized to want to

take out Sam and Sierra. And I do think Andy is competing. Not that he really knows, but like Sam gave Sol a lot. So Andy needs to give soul a lot too i still think it was kind of dicey and he just wrote his name down and it wasn't necessarily considered and he could probably have softened just like we're gonna turn on gotta you can quote me i'm coming for my allies um but i do think that soul and many people are incentivized to look at someone like sam so sam and kyle i think are in concerning spots moving forward. I think, you know, like, again, I feel like, geez, I feel like I'm in a slightly contrarian camp here.

I love it. I love it. I think that Andy is classic Andy and it makes sense for Andy. Like, why would Andy not go all in on, like, it actually shows that Andy has somehow figured out that it's not that gata is not his people yeah and and and picking up soul is like no no yeah yeah whether whether he did it intentionally or not i still think he actually it takes courage and i on day one he had a he was covered in sand crying to jeff um and then now like two weeks later he is taking the game by the by the scruff of the neck and he's

running with it and he's putting soul in a position where you know like it he's he's taking charge of the game in a way which he also looks kind of not threatening. So I think it actually, I know it's not how we would do it, but I think, and I still think he came on way too harsh, but I think the message, the words that came out of his mouth eventually made sense, and I think it was quite good. And I just want to say with Sol as well the way that he the the what i think soul has been kind of like uh this is

a deep cut garrick and kelly i feel like garrick was stunned in a way like garrick is a really amazing potentially amazing survivor player but having kelly there was just like a big like water like you know heavy metal in a like a an air base in iraq you know like can't get the noise out of my head sort of thing like i think rome was the same distractive this distraction for soul i think soul never got into the groove so i was so surprised i love the confessional that soul gave being like you know i've got 30 years of experience in marketing and sales and I have no idea what's going on.

But now, like, I think that with Rome gone, he turned it around last episode, which was amazing. But I think he's kind of getting into his groove. And the way that Andy came to him, it's not like he immediately threw out, hey, Sam, threw you under the bus. He absorbed the impact, like what Eden was saying. He absorbed the impact. He softened it. He got him to a state where he was actually listening and then at

the end he kind of said oh and by the way it was sam so i think that that was like really quite skillful from soul where i agree sam's in a bit of trouble but what i want to highlight is that stupid little idol that sam has i haven't forgotten about that one that is the era is going home on a split or maybe he doesn't have an idol but on a i'm too scared and i'm putting numbers on sierra now possibly yeah or maybe he can flash that somehow and um to someone um i don't know that it well does rachel know that it was a one tribal idol we never found that out actually yeah we don't know who knows what's in it so sierra knows what what what oh yeah i see what you mean does rachel know that it was a one-time first tribal council because

then she holds a lot of power she's held so much power with that idol the whole time like it was the fact that they weren't managing andy well on that and now it's not surprising i guess that they haven't managed him well on this too because i think that they've left these gaps the whole time i mean i'm not low on what andy did i think maybe soften it a little bit would be my maybe not just like death to god which is kind of the man maybe just a little bit like we could really do something like really give him you have to give soul something and i think building it is important um and i'm not low on it i just think it was believable a little bit a little bit to someone who didn't just vote for you um yeah and i do think i like you make great points about yeah how well soul did in that like i think he really like he received it and like when andy asked questions he answered everyone

really well really patiently like he was contrite he gave him the truth without just being like it was sam they made me do it you know like it was it was really good um yeah do we have any like what about souls do we have anything on souls decision is there anything on on on giving it to Rachel because as you said Mark like it is true that a lot of it is structural like soul Tiana said in the exit she had a great relationship with soul you know so um is it just like a structural thing there because there's three things he can do right like he can give it to Kudaberi Rachel and just be like a villain and that would just be awful or he can do nothing you know and as I said like stay with the slim majority of six to five let Rachel be the person we're doing it for but not competing against in

my own alliance um or do you give it to her now you have like the question he's he's kept it a secret um will he kind of out that will he use it to bond with rachel will he use it as a move at a what do i don't know what do you think about this eden i oh yeah you go eden you go mark you go yeah oh look at us um i i would say um i think that it's a good because it's anonymous i think that and i don't know how much of a fan soul is and again i'm i think that soul is a lovable character and i think that keeping it a secret and holding it potentially to the very end suits soul quite well so i think that um imagine that now like every person going to the jury gets voted off and they're like who was it who was it who was it who was it and then if he gets to the end and he was like it was me like not in like a not in like a i am the greatest game player of all time and i like i held this like secret from you

and you guys didn't figure it out no being more like i've been at because everyone talks about like this is a pet peeve of mine i don't like it when everyone's like you gotta play the game like everyone's playing the game they are like they're just doing it in different ways uh i really get annoyed by that but i think that this would be a good way to highlight you like like having fun playing the game and i think that's really endearing at a final tribal council i think it would be really fun for him for for Sol to be like, and guess what, everyone? It was me. Like pew, pew, pew. Like those little ones.

And I think it would be really funny. With the finger gun. With the finger gun. Pew, pew, pew. And Tiana's not on the jury. She's not there. She's not there. That's the best thing about it because you're not going to piss

someone off saying like it was you. Yeah, everyone's there because it'll be a running thing. Like if he gets to the end, it'll be a running thing. Like go to the jury. They're all there. Like who was it? It was you. It was you. No, no, no, no, no. And then it'll be a running thing like if he gets to the end it'll be a running thing like go to the jury they're all there like who was it was you he was you no no no and then it would be like the grand you know the grand reveal so i i think that it's less a strategic more a theatrical move and i don't i i think it's really i think the theater i think the theater and survivor are intertwined and i think um I think it would work really well with Soul to do that. So, yeah, that's what I think.

And that's valuable. I think it's valuable. Yeah, any reveal, anything that you have, just you. Anything that you know that's just yours is so valuable, like later in the game where you have that in your back pocket. I think as soon as you – it's like a magic trick. As soon as you know how it's done, as soon as you tell someone how it's done, it's less impressive. It it's done it's less impressive it's like oh okay that's that's easy but before that

fact it's got power in it yeah how it's sort of perceived yeah I do think it's funny that the second like Rome who was like on his back not letting him look for stuff the second Rome's out he finds the thing um which was right there um but yeah I do think that for me i had the exact same thought so it must be right yeah that i um yeah it's for the theatrics you know like it is and especially in a short game like i go back to the gabler of it all my brother's always like don't do it don't use that as like a benchmark of what we should be doing but yeah he did like one thing that i didn't even agree with and even that was like he did the loud thing you know in a fairly even final three if that's something you have to speak to especially if there has been like an aura around it i still

don't know i still think he can kind of see where he can go with it because you might want to use it to to really get that group together really make that relationship with rachel especially if tuku don't seem too mad and are just like that's the game um and tiana's not there obviously and she's not on the jury so well i mean from jury perspective, it doesn't really matter. But, you know, she's gone. She was the main person. They all voted together again, so they've all survived it. Maybe they're okay.

I think you could use it. I think you look at how it goes through it. But, yeah, I do think that the aura of the reveal is probably the most enticing thing for me. And in a short game, I think I just go with, like, where can you just, like, get points? You know, people are talking about big flashy moves. Some people will vote for that, especially, you know, if you're sitting next to two people where there's little to differentiate it. So yeah, I think that, yeah, that's probably what I would,

what I would do with it. Can I just say, soul finding the advantage, right? The editors are loving the juxtaposition of the season. So you have them, everyone's sitting down. You have Andy do the thing. Andy's so sloppy. Look at him. He's wandering around.

And then you have Saul doing the exact same thing. And it was like golf clap Saul. Brilliant. It's just, it's just, they love, they loving the, the editing's really fun this season as well. They're really going all in on it. I think it's really good. Yeah.

Well, I had a couple of questions. Cause I was thinking about, you know, how how teeny and genevieve is just like you know the challenge is over no one wins carl already won even though you're still in the game and i just had a couple of ideas i want to throw at you about what if they should still compete for something what i think they should yeah but what should they compete for because you don't want to put more in the game. I did think maybe like a challenge advantage next time where you're not getting voted out now,

then it'll be you, so you're not going to like go home for it. But what about, what if it's the reward is going to be like the candy, the cake, the reward, the popcorn reward, that's the most iconic probably example of what everyone goes in one by one and the winner will choose an unidentified thing, example of what everyone goes in one by one and the winner will choose an unidentified thing but then what it will end up being is you choose the order and the thing that's buried in the candy the cake the popcorn is this scroll the soul scroll um and that's how it's found because it was a little lackluster that it was just like there

it is and we'll keep zooming in on it is there anything there is there something fun there or is it is that not so you're setting up the winner of that getting some sort of some sort of order yeah yeah it's getting to choose the order and then if you like don't want to put your because i was thinking another thing that you could do is like which they've also done an australian survivor all my ideas are just stolen from australian survivor which they stole from old us survivor so that's where we're at with all of this um but I did think what you could do is like you could have six different meals and then you know but that's really a punishment you know like that's not yeah and then teeny doesn't get her potatoes on that's not cool

but I was so but what if it's okay we're all gonna go in one by one and then but that person chooses the order and if a person doesn't want to put their thumb on the scale they can just be like i choose for us to draw rocks you know or pick sticks but if they want to really go first and maybe get the thing they could get the thing um because you don't want them to just win the scroll obviously because like the the anonymity is a big part of what we're talking about yeah yeah yeah so is this very convoluted i just it was was weird that Kyle won and that they just stopped playing. I just, it was strange to me. I don't know.

I was trying to think about what they could have won. Do you have a better idea? I have one. Mark's not convinced on my popcorn order. I'm still aggrieved by popcorn and scrolls, so don't raise that with me. But I think they could have just turned what i think survivor they have too many twists already so i don't want more time yeah well that's the

thing freaking twists so just make it fun just make it fun you go to a reward let's assume teeny wins because we love teeny shout out teeny we Teenie. We do want to love Genevieve for the two last options. We've already like piled on like 15 minutes. Teenie wins. Great for Teenie. Yes. In the frame of Teenie 1. Yeah.

So Teenie wins. Love her. She gets to sit at like the head table. There's like a big fancy chair. She gets to wear a little crown. There's like a tight, you know, like just give her like a. That's not worth winning the challenge. Like that's not worth even the threat level of having a challenge but like it's got to be something worth winning

because it's not good to win right but then like maybe she gets like maybe she gets like like a brownie a special a special like i don't know like a big extra rib you know like maybe they all get just the one hot dog but she gets the potato salad like this was the one time that the reward was actually good maybe the reward is bad for everyone else and hers is actually good but then people might resent her you want to get like a serviette she could get like gloves she might just like clean her teeth afterwards or something like just like zhuzh up the reward what if it's a letter no i was gonna say letter from home letter yeah just go to just go to full loved one visit td's loved one comes

around the corner i think it's letter man everything i think it's a lot i think it's from home yeah yeah actually now that i'm thinking about it and it's with my brother today and he did say letter i um and i forgot until this moment letters well maybe they get that apple um computer that they used to have remember that apple computer that they used to like get the video from home on the wheel that i sprint there's a sprint phone i thought tina got to like dial into like one of those like Apple computers and like. Didn't Keith do his proposal? On like an MSM equivalent. Really showing our age. Our middle-aged mindfulness is coming out right now.

I think you just like post to a sister. I think, can you still poke on Facebook? Is that a thing? Hold on a second. I'll ask my mom yeah yeah I think you can okay well I look forward to getting poked in the morning Shannon I don't even remember what I was oh yeah the letter the letters make people cry and they should be using it more often they can use that for the big things more than they do. They could have had a differentiator that made this way less clumsy

than just Jeff being like, you won. It's done. They definitely could have had something. It could have been an element of choice, but I agree. Then that gets more twisty, more convoluted. How much stuff is this? In saying that, this was kind of a sleepy episode. They probably could have devoted content.

The winning group didn't have a lot to talk about because, again, they're not like a winning tribe going back with possible future dynamics. They can be like, when we merge, we can do this one thing as a group. And then they were, you know, playing baseball. But what could have happened, what could have happened, they could have got there and been like, guys, there's probably going to be something around here. Let's all look for it.

They all look for it as a group. They find it. They go, okay, what are we going to do? And that becomes like a whole big narrative. It's just how things like fall. But that's still quite simple still quite simple like you know that's still not that much to do when you have the the family the letter from home gives you the chance to see players in a different way so i think it affects the story and the relationships in an interesting way because it's like it brings them everyone then gets to Teenie about whoever it is that wrote to her and you get to like explore

that relationship a lot more, which makes it a bit, maybe someone, like maybe there's something in Teenie's story that like, I don't know, Sol or who else is there? Sierra is there and she's like, oh, wow, that's so cool. And then like that takes a tangent, you know, because I'm just like, just let the players explore each other yeah like that's like the maximum value i think from the yeah i think we solved it but i can't wait i already said that two weeks ago they should have used the letters

on the social hour like there's only so many letters that's your fault every single time i have a production decision where i'm like how can they really make this feel way more impactful i'm like give them letters like every time the other thing it's only been like two weeks it's a very long time even i just think about my letter i still got my letter on the plane right home because it was it was the next day was the auction so they still gave me my they sneakily said hey that's good this i know tiana just missed a two the option and the jury i know this is i'm reaching out to it this is very reminiscent of my experience with the auction the next episode as well it's very painful okay well this is sad should we do the chizzy that's true yeah take away james a hawaii scene and mc color one two three okay time for the chizzy and we're gonna do the two one ones because it has to add up to 12

which is two sixes usually we give out six but not this time 12, which is two sixes. Usually we give out six, but not this time. These are the cheesy charts. Oh, yeah. So there's three of us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

So we're giving three to one, but it's a 2-1-1, but one of the ones is better than the other one. Yeah. Okay. In our mind. Can I go last? Can I go last? I'm glad you gave us a lot of thought.

Eden, do you want to go first? Yeah. So are we starting with our ones? Yeah, if you can. But don't start with the middle one it's weird dino did that last i'll start with the lowest of the low one yeah the worst of the ones my lowest of the low one is going to soul um i think he did great um consoling andy um consoling him oh I know this is happening now we're starting to speak soul oh my god speaking from the soul truly um I think that was great I thought that him finding the advantage I think he played it really well um doing it on Rachel keeping it secret keeping it safe um so soul's getting my one point I think he's in a good position in the game now and he's built some

good relationships there um and then my other one, my other one is, is Andy. I'm going to give Andy one because I feel like it's come to fruition that like the curtains opening, the rain clouds have parted and he's just finally seen clearly. He's like, I'm not the second person to Sam, Sam and Sierra are all in. I'm on the bottom over there. I need to do something about it. He's starting to make connections with Jen.

He's going out on his own. He's doing his own thing. So I'm giving him one point as well. Love that. And the two? Caroline? I'm actually, I know this is going to annoy Mark, but I'm going with Caro because I think that how Caro played

the conversation with Tiana, what keeping, I do believe keeping Gabe around is going to help her game moving forward, and she's eventually going to lose Gabe. She's going to still have Sue there. She's going to be able to move forward in the game and be able to get on the radar. I think just from that one conversation, it's given me a really good insight into how she sees the game, and I'm pretty excited to see where she goes but

that from that one conversation and you look it did break her heart but I think she made the right call in the end uh so that's that's where my points are sitting at the moment love it well I'm doing some similar things my my lowest one my one point is to Rachel I think I usually go the other way but now I'm in it now um Mostly because just of the way they were talking about Rachel and how concerned they were about Rachel. And it's just a way better social standing with the, with the group and with Godda than I thought. And I wanted to reward that. Sol does choose to help Rachel. If he hated Rachel, you know,

he wouldn't do it. I know that it's a structural thing, but he, and it is a lot of it might be for his flashy move, but he still, you know, looks like he probably wants to, you know, at least keep her in the game. If he hated flashy move, but he still, you know, looks like he probably wants to, you know, at least keep her in the game. If he hated Rachel, if Rachel was Rome, you know, he's not getting safety without power. I'm obviously chose, you know, the kind of obvious thing to do with, you know,

noping out of there. But I just think the way that they're talking about her, I wanted to give her a point. I'm giving a point to Sol for the choice there for picking up Andy. Honorable mentions for me to Andy and Genevieve for doing similar things that will hopefully play out in points. And I do think it was, you know,

mostly it was handled really well by Sol and Genevieve and by Andy as well. I'm like, you know, 95% on it as well. I just think Sol with having the decision, finding it, sending it and also having that to me um bumped up to the one point the better one point and then two to Caroline because no real notes you know I think that it went in an unfortunate direction just because of the twist but other than that I agree with her decision making I think it's incredible that she just had so much power so well positioned um everyone was relying on her and I think she was the only one really benefiting from Rachel going and then even when you know it hit the fan she um I think made a decision I

agreed with and I'm just really impressed with her approach and the way yeah the way she talks to people her logic I'm I'm very very high on yeah Caroline like she's subtly social but she's also super logical like i just i'm really really enjoying it so those are my points mark what are you doing all good like you you guys make it so difficult and i really shouldn't care this much um but i'm like listening i'm gonna i'm going to go uh my lowest one is Andy. I think I like that Andy took – I think it takes courage to do what he did.

Execution is in Andy's style. He sees the world through Andy's lens and that's how it's going to be. So I'm giving one to Andy. My middle one is to Sol because I think he found, okay, we've already discussed at length everything that he's done well, but he also found the clue. No one else found the clue and he did it. He set himself up well and yeah, I really, really like the way that he has been positioning. I also think he did a really good job. It's not a hangover. I just like the way that he has been positioning i also think he did a really good job like i mean it's not a hangover i just like the way that he he went from like the rome to the to this episode um and i'm giving to genevieve um i think that genevieve um is just

it's it's amazing when survivor shows in an edit like subtle gameplay and it's amazing when Survivor shows in an edit like subtle gameplay and it's incredible and I just think it needs to be applauded. And also she could have won the – I still am an old-school Survivor player where I think challenges matter and I think she did really well. She could have won. It was her and Teenie and she did really well as well. Like it's not the reason why I'm giving her two, but I think that she's actually done quite well physically as well.

And no one's seeing her. No one's talking about Genevieve being a charge beast. So I think she's managing her threat level really well. And she's adorable. So, yeah, two to Genevieve and that's it. And Caroline, honorable. She's criteria. Honorable. It's like her So, yeah, two to Genevieve and that's it. And Caroline, honourable mention. She's bacteria. Honourable.

It's like her personality, you know. I'm joking. And honourable mention, obviously. Caroline, yeah. Caroline, yeah. I also, I forgot to say, when we're talking about Sam, this is one clip where Andy's raging on Sam and Sierra and Sam goes to give Sierra a hug and in the process of doing so,

he knocks Rachel in the head. Like he just doesn't see her. And I think that was like a really fun little, we were talking about Sam before, like letting Andy go, like rewatch it. It's really funny. Like just like bonks her in the head as if to say like he's only got eyes for Sierra.

So, yeah, it's quite funny. Well, I don't think it's anyone else I could potentially give it to. So yeah, that's all. Interesting thing here is that, I mean, Caroline's going to win this week,

but on a plurality, there's a four, we do a four, three, two, two, one. And now it puts Genevieve at 12 at the top of the charts with soul at 12

at the top of the charts now. So they're tying at the top. Then Sam, obviously, on 11. Love these charts, as always, from Randy Newpool. I have to say that. Andy's now gone to nine. Sue's on nine. Tini remains on nine. And then we're now there's quite a big gap. Roams out the game. Kyle's on three.

We've got, yeah. Oh, no. Caroline's gone up to six. Caroline went up. And then so Kyle's on three. Rachel's on two. Gabe's on two. Tiana left on one. And Asia is we've got yeah um oh no caroline's gone up to six jumped up yeah and yeah caroline went out and then so carl's on three rachel's on two gabe's on two tiana left on one and asia is also she is she left on one so oh yeah that's where she's stuck around yeah we all kind of did it was a bit of a thing this was so fun do we have more did there's anything else logan ledger on twitter had a question he said if this season were a movie, what would be its title? Eden, I think that one's for you.

There are a few titles that come to mind. I did see that come through, so I had a bit of a think. I think I like, look, you could go with Twisters. There's a lot of twists happening. There's a lot of things happening. Jeff's loving that. I think Whiplash is another good one. I think some of the people that have been voted out just the devastation on their faces like absolutely yeah there you go like and then we play a great film um the other

one is there's something about jen there's something about jen like i just think that she is she's going to be the fulcrum of this uh of this show and i think everyone is sleeping on her um but she is going to be the biggest player at the end of the day um so that that's what i'm thinking that's what does it have to be movies could it be musicals because it's clearly six well now it is yeah yeah just to be fair it ended up being a five person vote for all of the six talks that we've done through this podcast they did then conspire that it was either gonna block a vote five votes or was he was gonna leave for five votes and maybe he's obsessed with five yeah you're right yeah what's working i don't even know what to believe anymore i had a great

time on this podcast i am doubting my sense of reality but i had a really fun time it was great thanks thanks for having us on the the invisible hand hopefully it lives up to the expectations because i know i had a great time and thank you very much mark um for chilling with me yeah that's awesome this is so good this is really fun it was really fun no other no other notes um yes that was really good no more other notes. Yeah. That was really good. No more? I think we got it. I'm excited to see what happens next. Yeah? Who's on next week, Shannon?

Can you reveal? Next week? Well, first, I'm not going to lie to you. 30 minutes in when we discussed, I don't even remember what, I don't even remember where we were. I was like, we are not getting through this podcast. But we covered it and we did it. And I'm surprised by it.

We're professionals. We're professionals. I was like, I don't think we're, I don't even know. But when we say, did I ask if Lil was Catherine of Aragon? Because she's not Aragon. She's definitely not Aragon as well. Like that's also not right.

I can't think of which one she is now, but she's not Aragon. Jane Seymour. Australia V World season two. You know what? She is Jane Seymour. She's always complaining. Okay. I'm glad I worked it out she's jane seymour and six i clearly saw six this week because it's in my head um next week well i think there's an episode next week as you know it's a sixth

election to happen during survivor and if the episode gets cancelled which i don't think it will but like i don't know what's going on in america it's like a lot going on um is he gonna get cancelled well it's like if the result hasn It's like a lot going on. Is it going to get cancelled? It's like if the result hasn't been like, you know, I feel like there might still be content around that. I don't know. The podcast is meant to be the Stockwatch crossover with Taryn. And if there's an episode, we will do that.

Yeah. And another thing I want to say was Halloween, but we had a really fun brand seal where also musical i was hamilton and everyone was in costume and it was so funny you look very good i was backstage obviously for a lot of it and i was just in the private chat miss i'm like this is objectively the funniest podcast of all like i was it was so funny so i really recommend watching that um what about you guys, Mark? Tell the people where to find you are podcasting. As you said, we, you know, we've got the top of the show, but tell the people.

Yeah, so mostly on Instagram, Mark with a K-T Warnock. Yeah, Beyond the Edit is done, but go check it out. Eden, the chat with Eden is really, really fun. I highly recommend it. And the one with Caroline as well. It's actually flying up the charts, which I'm very happy with. Yeah, which is great. A lot of tears.

It's good. And then, yeah, I don't know when the next episode with Annabelle from Australian Traders Season 2 will be coming out, but we've already been spitballing a few ideas, and let me tell you, it's going to be off the charts. So, yeah, Babes on the Brink, check it it'll be there and what about you eden podcasting about survival yeah yeah um check out survivor debrief uh with me and my bro uh we're just doing our little recaps and a bit of a chat um really fun so that's been great uh also just yeah instagram uh in quarter one or on uh twitter at eden porter

any questions or anything just shoot them over and then i've also got my other podcast cancelled movie report where we take uh unmade scripts that hollywood never made and we make actual we get the scripts and we recreate them with live um voice casts and uh recreate the best scenes of them go through the whole script it's the closest thing you can get to seeing the films without them actually being made. So check that out. We're in between seasons at the moment, but that's another good. For any cinephiles out there, it's a must watch.

Yeah, that's what I'm up to. Love it. Well, thank you both. Follow me at Shannon Gates. Subscribe to the International Survivor at Happop's feed. But this was so fun. What a fun way to spend my Saturday night. No regrets.

Loved it. Hey, guess what, Shannon? What? fiber half ups feed but this is so fun what a fun way to spend my saturday night no regrets loved it i guess what shannon what i'm also thinking of going to the states next year just a low-key thing to drop at the end so if anyone's here yeah you should do that yeah so if i go to the states and you're listening and there's parties invite me there are so many parties. There are so many parties. I'm so jealous, though, if you do, because it's so fun. Yeah, the world is your oyster. Yeah. Well, anyway, this was amazing. Had such a great time.

Thank you both so much. Thank you to our team behind the scenes. Thank you to everyone listening, and I will see you next time. Bye. Bye. bye one million pounds Продолжение следует...