RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor Global: Genevieve’s Power & Plurality Potential | S47 Ep 9 with Feras Basal

Episode Date: November 17, 2024

Survivor Global host Shannon Guss talks to Australian Survivor Rebel and winner Feras Basal about episode 9 of Survivor 47. The duo discuss the pros and cons of Genevieve's move, the many decisions of who to tell and what to do with that information in the episode, the production choices and more!

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Hello everyone and welcome to RHAP's coverage of Survivor Global for Survivor 47. I'm your host Shannon Guss, here to talk about episode nine. I think we're at, this was a crazy episode, a lot of chaos. It was a very long challenge and then there was a lot of strategy. So we'll probably get into a lot of the latter, but to talk about that, an incredible guest, a winner, a reigning champion, Australian survivor. He's gotten on the US Survivor train recently. He needs to get more on. I haven't heard the updates on his binge, but I'll be threatening and pressuring him through this podcast, no doubt. But he's a great Ferris Bissau.

Ferris, thank you for being here. Thank you so much for having me, Shannon. I'm always excited doing these podcasts. And obviously you're always keeping me in check with Survivor US. I feel like at this point you're like my Survivor US teacher and I just have to constantly be doing my homework and this season has been absolutely incredible. So I'm happy to be chatting all things Survivor 47. Well I feel like I'm a bad teacher and I don't know if it's just that you're a bad student or am I a bad teacher. Whose fault is it? Because I feel like you haven't

been binging the things I told you to binge. You haven't been doing your homework. I haven't. I've been a horrible, horrible student. So bad. Very, like, F all around. Not good. Yeah, yeah, big Fs all around. But I'm up to date with Survivor 47,

and to me that's all that matters at the moment. Yes. Thank you for coming on to this podcast up to date with the season. We appreciate that. That was the bare minimum. That was the least that we required for you to be here today. But then in the off-season, Ferris, when are you going to watch Survivor Kagan?

You're right. You're so right. Like, I feel like at this point there just needs to be an event where all the fans just sit me down in front of a TV and we just watch a whole season together. So who knows? Maybe that could be a thing. I've said that there is the internet.

And as you said, that it's hard for you to binge because you're ADHD and you're always distracted. Live stream it. That's the online fan event. You could do that every day. You know what? Once I do like clean my schedule a bit in like a week or two, I think I genuinely might just start a live session on Twitter by myself

and just see who else wants to join me. I don't care. I don't care if I'm watching by myself. I'll do it. You can join me. I don't want to be having this conversation with you on a podcast every six months. Like I don't want to come back here in 2025.

Ferris, I believe in you. I believe you can do it. You know what? Help me responsible. If you were on Australia versus the world, you would have needed to research. Actually, to watch it and to watch Kirby on it, you're going to need to research some people,

and it's relevant. But I blame production. I blame Australian Swag for Russian for not putting you on the season, which is insane by the way it's completely insane just separate to that and it meant

that you didn't binge it so really they're at fault but you have a little part to play in it okay we can all blame them let's just blame them as long as it's not me we can blame them

it's genuinely like I'll just say it now like it's bizarre that you're not on Australia vs the World I'm just gonna say honestly it was either gonna be me or Kirby.

That's how I see it. And it's like everybody wants to see Kirby go at it. So by all means, go, sis. She has my support. I'm a bit sad I didn't get to play with her again because we all know how that sort of worked out, which is always fun. But she has my support.

So you won. That'll be exciting. It was fun that you beat her. But it would have been great to have you both. Like, as if they haven't done, you know, big duos before. Like, we know the three we know are Kirby, George and Shani. Like, George and Shani are that, like, that duo. I mean, it went poorly at a point, but, like,

there's that connection there. Like, there's that inbuilt relationship, so you would have thought. You never know what could happen in the future but honestly at this point i'm just excited to see all of uh my peers take on the world so that'd be very exciting yeah well ferris other than not watching enough survivor how have you been what's been happening with you i've been good it's been honestly a crazy past couple of months um i've just honestly been busy in my own worlds, in my own

work, buried in the sand, doing as much as I possibly can and from time to time talking shit on Twitter. So that's always lovely. But yeah, I think next year is going to be a huge year. So just keep an eye out. There's a lot going on and yeah, excited for what's to come. Yeah. Well, you caught up for this today. Yes. And how are you feeling about the season? Because you watched 46, you watched this, and you were telling me before we recorded that they're like night

and day for you. They are. They are. Look, because I don't have many seasons to compare 47 to, I could only just compare it to last season. I love this season. I'm obsessed. You know what?

I was watching the latest episode and I was looking at the entire cast and I was like, I love every single person in this cast. They are incredible. They brought some sort of value to the show as viewers. So I've been obsessed with this season. A lot of it does have like trickles of Titans versus Rebels in it and some challenges or like some moments that I could name. So it sort of gives me a bit of nostalgia,

but it's a different season. I'm enjoying every bit of it. So it's awesome. Yeah, it's interesting to compare it to Titans v Rebels because I feel like both were fluid, but in kind of a different way i mean i feel like titans v rebels had these intense relationship dynamics positive and negative or sometimes both like you and kirby right so you know these kind of extremes of relationships

that would kind of coalesce into different groups as we've said like different even groups every time whereas i was talking about this with peter like this season i feel like no relationships are so deeply positive and negative like there's obviously yes some bonds and you know some vendettas we saw them come out in this in this episode even but i feel like everyone's pretty workable with each other so there's more of that kind of like passive relationships that then coalesce into kind of different groups so it's like without the extremes of titans v rebels that people would kind of use to go in different groups this is more just like if this is making any sense even

across the surface and then the groups kind of shore up or relationships kind of manifest at that time without it being so extreme did any of that make sense no it makes perfect sense which does make it a bit more confusing in a way since there's no like extreme love relationship so when you're literally going to tribal council like when i was watching that last episode i was like oh i have no idea what's happening like genuinely so the fact that there's no highs like the highs in titans versus rebels with the alliances and the strength of alliances it makes things so much more interesting and chaotic and genuinely unpredictable so i love it yeah i mean i think that

the last episode seemed confusing but actually was told really well and especially on the second viewing if you watch it with this lens like i think we were given the soul plan really clearly like we saw literally the building blocks and i think like very very clearly of like genevieve coming up with it and going to each person and then like deciding to tell Rachel and seeing what Rachel would do with Sam. And then Rachel told Sam. And then we saw like Sam blew it up. We saw that all really clearly where it gets confusing is then Sam pushes back on like maybe a Suku plan, maybe Sue. Teenie's like maybe Carl because Teenie got, you know,

like got to love Teenie. Teenie at any point would be like, what if we do the man instead of the woman? And it largely doesn't work out but teeny will always vouch for it and i i appreciate that sentiment um it has not worked to go as a man but like sue was still the target between them like teeny will not get that but then so then what happens with that is it gets confusing because it's like is it soul or is it this tooku plan and if it's tooku if it's to walk but what it was and if you rewatch with this lens like it was always solved and they talk about that at travel council you know like basically what's real versus what's noise and that was all noise and we called the soul plan

there was no reason to renege on it even when you know sam has told soul even when it's being blown up and i'm glad for genevieve that she didn't renege on it because i'm sure it was scary but you're just going blindside soul which they did you know get him into a new false sense of security because every single time that they talk about the toku plan it's to the people who are at that point on the out sam or chini or soul a tribal council whenever anyone's like is it sue or kyle it's to one of those people and it's noise and it's you know the decoy and the soul plan is happening and always was and at a point you know everyone becomes aware of it and it becomes unanimous and i think that's what it is and it's not as confusing when you kind of separate what's noise

from what's real. And I think that they told a chaotic, like literally something actually chaotic very well. But it was confusing because it was a lot in the moment as they were describing. I think like also the editing of this season with how they've chosen certain scenes and shots and things like that, I'm absolutely loving. this season with how they've chosen certain scenes and shots and things like that i'm

absolutely loving like you can see there's a huge improvement from what i saw at least um to this season it's been they they are telling the story the right way and i'm loving it a bit so couldn't agree with you more on that yeah they're relying a lot on like the jump cut edits which i love some people might say it's an over-reliance but i like any single time it's like oh sue's like to kyle are they saying my name he's like no cut to we should do sue they do a lot of the ironic jump but i love that like that's a human that really works for me so like they can keep they can keep doing that type of thing and i think that they told it well i mean obviously i wasn't enjoying the first half of the episode

because you know the the very long challenge fair as you may not know because you've seen it twice but it's a staple of the new era for some reason and I don't enjoy it it's basically just like several like several not so but like four or five challenges in one and I'm not I don't enjoy that this actually this is how I feel I felt like it was an episode of two halves and I literally went to a wedding in the middle of it. So I wanted to finish the episode before I went to the wedding, but I got through the very long challenge and I was at the burping scene

and then I had to go spend nine hours at a wedding and I was like, in my head, I'm like, oh my God, four people might lose votes because when they did this in 45, like it was all, it was all like individual votes, like individual challenges. They all could have lost their vote. Four of 10. And I was like, oh my oh my god you know another six person voting configuration and like

the challenge had been so long and I was like in a bad mood but then I came back and only one lost their vote and it was public and I felt better about that and then I thought the second half was great so literally I went to a wedding in the middle and I felt like I was very low in the beginning very um very high on the end so yeah I didn't expect to come back and really enjoy it but um let's talk about I think the main the main thing about this um episode the main question and we're going to get into everyone's decisions Genevieve it's all about Genevieve right um the main instigator of everything and I feel like there's been so much discussion around is this good for Genevieve, right? The main instigator of everything. And I feel like there's been so much discussion around, is this good for Genevieve?

I've heard brilliant, love it, queen, best player of the new era. I've heard game losing move. Steven on No One Alls says game losing move. He and Owen were both pretty low on it. I think we'll talk through the cons and pros. You're a big game player. So looking at this, are you high or low? Are you first half of the

episode or second half of the episode on Genevieve's move um you see in in a cast like this it's kind of hard to be like that was a great move or a bad move because the relationships are getting quite complex um but if I were to just sum it down very simply, Sol was kind of in her corner. Like, it was in her corner. Like, I don't understand, like, why. The way I see it is there are better options. Okay. At that point of the game, there were definitely –

was he the best option? No, I don't think he was the best option. Was it a bad move? I don't think it was a bad move either. The way I see it is she's learned so much from the dynamics just from that episode, from that scrambling, from that tribal, from everything. Although people might see that, okay, she might have voted out someone

that could have been in her corner, she has gained so much more information from this process. And I think that's what a lot of people miss. So on the surface of it, yes, I don't think she – there could have been someone way better for her to vote out. Beneath the surface, did she gain a lot from it? I think she did. I think she gained a crap load of info, a crap load of info

about dynamics and where people lie and how people lie to her. And I think she's a very intelligent woman. So she's that type that can grab all that information and it'd be so much more valuable than just another vote. So I didn't really give you an answer. Who would you see as a better option for her? Someone that would have brought absolutely no value to her. Who would bring no value to someone like Genevieve?

Honestly, probably someone like Kyle would have been a better move to Genevieve. Yes. Kyle is bringing not a lot, but kyle is such an easy consensus vote even his own allies want to go to matter we can talk about that so it's kind of like i don't see that as a benefit of her i see that maybe as a benefit to the group but like i don't know that that's a specific benefit to her that's one of the reasons i would do something like this because i feel like it's going to be very easy for someone at some point several rounds down not several again but like a couple of rounds down the road to be like we'll all just do Kyle is that actually

actively benefiting Genevieve individually or does everyone want to get rid of Kyle at a point so I think for me like when I look at there's a lot of you know cons and pros and then we've gotten comparisons of Genevieve to Kirby and I'd love to get your take on that um because she's a big game player but I feel like to compare it for me when I was thinking about the comparison to Kirby, Kirby, like Genevieve, has a great social game. She's kind of the way that she can corral people is so impressive. Like all of that. I was so impressed with Kirby and they both impress and scare me. So I think that that is a similarity. But I think with Kirby, she was doing she was using that power for moves that I just so vehemently disagreed with especially early on you know throwing the votes and even coming for you

and I felt like that I was like so actively not on board and I think those moves she could recover better than most but I still think they like badly affected her and you guys are talking about the thrown votes like weeks down the track um and i was very against whereas with genevieve when i see it was like the kishan move which was big and then this move like i'm at least on the fence if not pro so it's like the the big kind of move mentality with things i'm more like you know accepting and and more understanding um and with this move like i at first i was like oh too much soul's too close to you it's such a big move like all the cons that everyone has said like soul wasn't ally for her he said in exit he wanted the labo final three he also said they weren't right or die I feel like we don't really

know how that would have gone but that's what he's saying um I feel like it leaves her a little bit floating it kind of like untethers this like labo strong labo position that she had cuts off the t-shirt patini as she points out poked her head out as a threat um those are the major cons and also what you know i really hated her doing it as like revenge for rome because what is that that's not anything um so on the exit thought that that was really the reason um those are my like main cons but then i had like a really long list of pros and like one of the main things is like so as as we're saying like what does kyle really achieve whereas someone like sol is a big threat came into this episode leading the chizzy

um she's clocking all the things we're clocking about him he has relationships and now you might say how good could those relationships be he goes in a unanimous vote she does a lot of work to get that unanimous vote happening you know if he gets a little further with that then he shores up those relationships and he's a real contender against her or to even have more power than her even if you know she's a factor in his plans it's still his plans um so I think the work she did specifically with someone like Sue who Sol is saying in ex-interviews he was really close with she went and was like he's throwing out Gabe like really put it on him when it had been a lot of Sol and Teenie she did a lot of work to fracture relationships who were then coming after

soul, taking out a really big threat, like soul, who we see as like, you know yeah, a huge, I've seen as a really huge player in the game. I also think from a position standpoint, and this is the most important thing for me with Genevieve. Yes. It untethers her from her current position, but Genevieve will rebuild and is rebuilding right now is doing stuff like that with Tuku who she seems to really want to work with and the thing with Genevieve for me and this is the thing I come back with is her bandwidth for how big she can play is bigger than most because she will recover better like the Kishon move which I went back

and forth with you know for several weeks two or three weeks where I said um now I'm hearing myself say several a lot but I went back for two or three weeks being like said um now I'm hearing myself say several a lot but I went back for two or three weeks being like you know it was just a good move and I and I came eventually around to the fact that I didn't like the Tichy Sean move I thought she invested a lot in Rome who who immediately needed to go I was like this actually couldn't go much worse and where did it leave Genevieve on a move that couldn't go worse still pulling the strings here today right so it's like even if this move pans out not in her best interest i bet she can recover the best i think she can take the bull by the horns more

than most and has the bandwidth to play a bigger game and recover really really well and continue to rebuild and position into something that worked for her and i see her doing it now with the chukus as an example so for me let her play big let her add to the jury resume when someone like carl's like genevieve's not a thinker, there will be no doubt about it if she gets to the final tribal council that she's a thinker and that she's great. Let her take agency. Let her take out threats.

Let her play in this big way if she wants to and take out threats and recover very, very well. And I think that's something Genevieve can do and has done because she's like a special player like that. And that's why I give her the leeway to do that. I think what he does come down to is everyone's constantly saying, was this move a good move for Genevieve? Yes or no.

But what we're not understanding is, was it a good move for Genevieve's style of playing? That's what it is. So I think, again, on the surface, i don't think it's ever a good move to just vote out someone that's in your side we all agree with that but you did it my season doesn't count that's a very weird everything was weird yes we never we never use my season as like you know evidence for anything um but yeah anyways i think that genevieve is that type that can afford to do something like that and come out stronger in

the end because she's such a proactive player and i think that's what makes a great player calculator and proactive player so i can guarantee you before she even came up with this plan of soul that she considered the fact that she needs to build relationships with others before throwing out soul's name just in case he does get out and does leave her untethered so she's that type that would have invested in relationships before even suggesting that so i think for a player like genevieve you're right i think she can she can recover she can recover easily, and I think it's because she's such a proactive and calculated player.

So in general, is this like the greatest move of all time? No. Could it be great for a player like Genevieve or like a player like Kirby that can recover from things after voting someone out or blindsiding someone? Yes. She's that type of player and she's just that player so i love it yeah i mean looking at the kishan move in that they genuinely like

from an objective perspective couldn't have gone worse and she still is here pulling all the strings it just shows the power that she has to be able to take out a huge threat in soul and as she says someone whose name wasn't really being said so as she's saying like a sneaky threat and still keeping those buffers in front of her like the Sams like the Carls like the Gabe that everyone kind of has in their head anyway but actually taking out someone who I think was more of a threat to her yes he wants to possibly stay with Genevieve but again that as a powerful player will be his decision and why leave it in his hands he's also saying in other interviews they weren't ride or die I wouldn't want to be relying on that so she puts it into her own hands she continues to do that and i know that i'm possibly somewhat biased and that i love when players can take their own agency

but i do enjoy that because i think that it's it's very controlled and it's the best way to have the you know the impact on your own game and she's the one who can afford to do that because she will build in that moment and i think that she as well just seems to really want to work with the two coups um you know i know Sam could have been an option but again like who does it really benefit so in terms of like yeah like a Carl or a Sam I don't see it as hugely beneficial to her I think leaving in the two coups is fine because if the two coups were a block of four for real I would say that this is untenable you don't want to leave going into nine leaving them as a four we're getting very very dicey. But the fact that the two crews are saying to us, especially Sue,

she wants to come for Kyle. Caroline happy to come for Kyle. She's Kyle is like a big immunity threat, which we can talk about as well. They're not a four. So I see her building in the moment with Rachel, with the two crews, with Andy she's building. And so, so it's like, you know,

lose one connection, make three and take out a huge threat like I I started scared I started being like I don't love it it just felt too soon it felt too early it felt way too audacious and it is all those things but I think Genevieve if anyone can do that and I just the more I think about it the more I like the move and obviously like the execution is incredible like obviously the fact that she's pulling the strings is amazing um but yeah even on doing it I'm like you know I I'm I back it I back the the power that she has well I think then the biggest thing that will come out of this is she literally got everyone voting the way she wants Gabe is literally saying this is your move Genevieve is the biggest issue after this is threat levels. How is she going to manage her threats?

Yes. And that's a big consideration, especially in the new era where that's a big thing is like it's often like they're the biggest threat so you take them out. So now you're the biggest threat so you get taken out. And that is a big thing for Genevieve. And I think a lot of it will be how much are other threats, can they be pushed like a Kyle, Sam, Gabe, these like big guys,

and then how much will those relationships help? Because we saw with Saul, you know, the relationships did not help him, you know, like people did not come back for him. So yeah, I mean, if you were Genevieve, what would be kind of the way to mitigate that for you? If I were Genevieve, I would have a close eye. See, the thing with, she's in such an odd position at the moment, because honestly, the way I see the thing with she's in such a such an odd position at the moment because honestly the way I

see it is if her name doesn't get called out in the next episode I'm going to think everybody is wild on that tribe like and absolutely blind like how much more of a threat do you need than that everyone saw the plan happening everyone saw Genevna like everyone knows it's jenna veep's plan the whole tribe voted her way i'm sorry at what point is she not a threat like if her name doesn't get like thrown out at least in the next episode then she is doing absolutely something incredible that nobody understands um or the tribe is just not saying she's that much of a threat so she's got a lot of groundwork to do and And for me, it would be invest in Sue. Sue and Caroline are her two girls.

I think those are the two that she needs to invest in. And the rest will slowly start following, like she did. Like she spoke to one or two people and then people started, like she just has that agency in the game. So it's just a matter of how she communicates it, how she, she won't minimize her threat level that's not the way to do it because you can't minimize threat level like that she needs to maximize other people's threat level that's what she needs um on the next couple

episodes yes i do think that there are those names there and i do think like if you look at the meta of the new era has any new era winner been so out in front individually for us, even as viewers at this point in the game? Like, no, like even like, I mean, this is, yeah. Like someone like D was in a group and then kind of was doing her own individual stuff later and everyone else like, yeah, it was kind of hiding and then taking out the Genevieve's who will be the eventual Chizzy winner, you know, but not necessarily the,

the winner of the season and I think that the reason that I can back this and I don't think Genevieve is going to win I think from an edit perspective Genevieve will lose at fire Genevieve said in the preseason that she played Baldur's Gate instead of practicing fire and I said in the preseason this is a sparkly person but the fire can serve me and that's my prediction for Genevieve I think she will lose at fire but I think she'll get to that point and And I think that's good enough. How can she get to that point when she's such a big threat in my mind? Because I think that that's what we're seeing with her level of social game, social recovery and possibly positioning. But yeah,

she should be the next head to be chopped off because she poked her head out. But I think that her game is in making those moves and managing that threat level and like that's if she fails on that that'll be the part of her game that she fails on it's all contingent this big game of play style is contingent on her maintaining that and if she fails on that then that will be the thing I think that we look at as the thing that she did wrong but currently she's been doing it really well and if she can continue on that then she's got she's got I, I back her on that because that's what I've seen so far. So that's where I'm at with her. Yeah.

So many interesting decisions in this episode. And that's why I really enjoyed the second half. Let's talk through some of them for Genevieve again. She tells Rachel knowing Rachel could tell Sam again, could this have gone worse for Genevieve? Much like Gishan moved kind of, the Vols in every way and she recovers, I have to back that Genevieve tells Rachel, knowing she could tell Sam

not wanting her to tell Sam Genevieve tells Sam and Sam blows up and where does it leave this? With Sol going back to Genevieve to be like, what are we doing about the situation? She's back there and Teenie's like, but where are the votes? And we can talk about it.

It's actually really chilling hearing Sol talk about it in the ex-interviews that like, you know, there's some people that you're talking to are probably against you, right? Like where's this majority coming from? And that to me is like a kind of a horror movie. It's like, who are we talking to? But they never seem to suspect Genevieve. That's so well done.

All information goes back to Genevieve, who's able to just barrel through with the plan. again it couldn't have gone worse but should she have risked it how do you feel about telling Rachel about this plan which is then about to implode oh yeah it's a hard one because again like the whole no vote situation throws a spanner in the works should she have risked like going through all of that not to the extent that she did okay i feel like there was way too many pieces involved that didn't really need to be involved i think she may have gotten slightly excited with the plan um but yeah a lot of these people didn't need to know the plan they didn't know no one needed to know and i want to talk about this about who

who are the numbers because they say like if caroline comes back without a vote we're going to need another number actually not true the tricky math here and the plurality vote that i'm going to get to i don't know if they want to rely on this but it's a nine person vote right so yes at the time when the when the like the jenga people come back from that journey the the two crew three and genevieve that's four but at that point everyone else is on a sam vote so say teeny soul rachel and andy are voting for sam because that's been like the thing and sam as he says to soul is voting kyle that's a four four one it would have been sam the soul on the revote. They don't re-vote this time. So on the re-vote, then the Tuku 3 and Genevieve have their four votes.

They win on a four to three. So therefore, at the point where they're against a pretty divided group at that point, you know, Sam and Teenie. Teenie's been pitching Sam. Sam's the target. That four actually has the power. Genevieve still goes to Andy. I think you probably want the

numbers but like still goes to Rachel but when we talk about the the Andy and Rachel decisions I feel like they're kind of being brought in on like an overwhelming like tsunami of a majority that is like the two to three and Genevieve at that point are very very hard to break even as a minority of nine because they're against like a pretty fractured group in the other five. So that plurality vote would have worked if Genevieve was aware of where Sam was voting? Well, Sam can't vote for himself. So as long as some people on the other side are voting for Sam, your four will win out because Sam's going to have to vote

for say a Kyle or whatever. But she knew the others were voting for Sam. So if some people, at least, yeah, she thinks the other four are voting for Sam, but if at least like Tini and Sol are voting for Sam, then that five will never make a block that's bigger than your four of nine on the re-vote. It's very risky with such a large group of people, but yeah, it could have been done.

I mean, the 4-3-2 at nine plurality is like one of my favorites. Some great final nine plurality votes. You're going to get to in the binge, what some of the people were talking about. But I mean, I'm not saying that you're relying on that. I'm just saying that when you're gonna get to in the binge uh what some of the people were talking about but i mean i'm not saying that you're relying on that i'm just saying that when you're going to like an andy and especially a rachel like they're being brought onto a plan that's like very much in motion like if you're andy is andy the swing like andy would either have to go with it which he does and i think he should but like or you're going back to

everyone else and being like no we five need to be on a two crew like you actually have to get something going you're not actually a swing between two groups at that point so i just think people are being brought more onto the power structure of genevieve leading the two crews with the two crews at that point that's my kind of point on the plurality and i also just want to talk about plurality votes because i'm predictable yeah i was watching i was watching the episode and then um i saw that you mentioned the plurality but i'm like oh shannon's gonna love this one she loves her plurality i'll take it to a plurality if i want to but anyway what was i saying oh yeah so about bringing on the rachels the andys as an

example so you think you got a little bit too much i mean i feel like she actively brought on andy and rachel sam and Teenie heard something in the tribal scramble. That wasn't intentional. But the intentional move was bring on Andy and then Rachel. So where do you stand with how she's building the blocks of this move? Andy would have been...

I don't know. I feel like Andy's so shaky at the moment. I just feel like it's a lot to put in. I'm loving Andy, by the way. I'm adoring Andy. But I don't know. I just feel like it worked, but it was just so risky for her. Like, there's just too many people involved in terms of the amount

of people that are left. The way I see it is the less numbers, the more ballsy we can be with our moves because you sort of have more agency in the game in terms of your alliance members but this like where's who's her actual alliance member she's going off the soil and she has all these random people that she's met for a couple of days and she's pulling off this insane plan which i think again is so risky but it works so not much to say about her. That's a Genevieve game. She's building the blocks as she's doing it.

By the way, you love Andy. Do you know how Andy feels about you? How does he feel about me? Oh, no, he told me. He told me he wants to play a Ferris game, but that's the point. Yeah, he said it in his interview. He said, yeah, I've got it. If I can play a Ferris game, oh, my God, I would live for that. I would love that.

Transporting that to the U.S. meta might be a bit difficult, but he's an absolute star. That's what he said. he's an absolute star. That's what he said. He's doing the hair flip. It's not working. With the hair flip. And is that the only part of the Ferris game we felt like Andy has brought so far?

Where else do we see the Ferris game and what Andy's doing? He's a great narrator. He's a smiling assassin. He's going to be a smile. He did. Exactly. Andy told me when he came came back he messaged me and he said that he had been listening to the deep dives a lot in the pre-game so that was what was

in his head you know what i will say there is there is a glimpse there is a glimpse for a second where um uh him and rachel him and rachel like they never worked together and all of a sudden he's like let's work together. Let's do it. Like, I don't care. Like we, we tried to, we stuffed each other over. Let's just do it. So his openness, incredible. His ability to use things other than his words to gain trust.

Like he's shot in the dark at one point. He's doing it. He's getting creative with the way he's building trust rather than just speaking. So I'm loving Andy's like really interesting game. And Rachel's another fan of International Survivor. I wonder if they spoke about Titans V Rebels on the beach. They probably did.

Can you imagine if... Yeah, I was watching it at that point. I don't... I was actually... When they were in the pregame, they were listening to the deep dives. So that's, they just finished it. Literally just finished Titans V Rebels when they went out.

So when would they have filmed it? They filmed it like April. Yeah like april or like yeah yeah oh my god i didn't realize they film it so soon yeah because they do two at the same time so this was the first one and then they also filmed 48 for next year but imagine if you and kirby had one of your many conversations but we should work together and then they did like a flashback to your whole relationship but it took 40 minutes like that's the whole episode at that point it's like you guys are narrating what has happened yeah it's been a lot it's too much to do that um but yeah I'm really interested in like kind of Andy and Rachel's position because I like for both of them that they were brought in and they didn't necessarily numerically need

to be brought in especially Rachel at the point where she has a literal majority with Andy um yeah I will say like for Andy I'm okay kind of if he had the power and again I think he's kind of being brought into a plan he has to go with but like if he had the power um even like later on maybe you say he's more of a swing between this like two coup plan but Rachel never even seemed to like really be brought in on the two coup plan until a bit later. So it was all contingent of Genevieve. Like they're going to Andy saying it'll be Tini, Sam, Sol, Andy at first and Genevieve.

So he knows that's not a plan. So again, like is Andy really a swing in these positions? Very minorly, if ever, I think, but I still think being brought on is good. I think staying with Genevieve is good. I think being adaptable, as you said, is good. He's gaining confidence as well. He's gaining a lot of confidence in his game which is what i'm loving i'm loving this whole transformation of andy it's it's so much fun to watch and i genuinely

think he's he's got the right head on him um he's got the right ideas all the time i i don't think i could fault in these ideas the way he executes them and communicates them with certain people and builds certain relationships is when he needs to sort of start stepping up. He's got everything in here. Everything that he has intentions of is completely genius. He should be doing all the things that he's doing. Just how he's executing it is he just needs to sort

of like gather his thoughts and actually communicate it and execute it a proper way and that's what he's struggling with that's what Genevieve is doing incredible of she's executing so well she gets an idea and she suddenly executes it without it being a thing whereas in Andy he's just like I feel like he's a bit all over the place sometimes because he gets he gets excited but he just needs to find his feet and I think once he's a bit all over the place sometimes because he gets excited but he just needs to find his feet and I think once he finds someone that he that he can actually fully trust someone just give the guy a chance he'll do really well so I'm excited to see Andy's arc yeah I wonder if that that will be him and Rachel together like I think if anyone's going

to come for Genevieve realize the threat level and take a swipe. I mean, someone like Rachel has an idol. So has the capacity. They're both smart, super fans who are self-interested in the way that they know, you know, to put your, your game first, even with the relationships.

I think someone like Sue might be a little more blinded to the kind of emotions of a relationship compared to like a Rachel and Andy, which I don't think will, even if someone like work with you with Rachel has helped her out again, I'm not sure how much she could have done. But I don't think that she would be blinded by that specifically in saying that with someone like Rachel, like if she could, I would have protected soul. If she could,

I wouldn't have blown up my game to do it. And she didn't, I wouldn't play my idol. I wouldn't have even, what with her idol? what with her idol no no it's not worth that she's an underdog she might need her idol next week her idol is the most important thing in the game if she was a swing vote choosing between two groups I would choose Sol I would choose to keep Sol but considering she couldn't

I think that it is what it is but Sol did protective in a game of as we're saying fairly passive relationships from what we see that was at least something very tangible if she could have i would have but i don't think she could have so then it becomes so so genevieve tells rachel i don't mind it because building blocks you know she's kind of testing rachel and again even at its worst it still comes back to her she's got it so on lock rachel tells sam what do you think about rachel telling sam that's the the other part of that no no i'm against that i'm against that if you're listen if you're on the

bottom with someone that's on the same tribe as you or the same situation of you like a sarah alex situation in like titans versus rebels very similar to that sense where okay they were both sort of you know together and then now they're in a ugly spot choose yourself girl choose yourself don't give sam any other information you're both at the bottom like if anything you should be under the assumption that look we're still at the bottom it could be either of us i'm not risking my place to give sam more information i don't think she should have. Right. But I get at the same time, I understand that she does need to cling to some sort of ally in the game. And in that sense, he could have been Sam in that moment. But I just think she should have chosen a bit more wisely with who she

shares that information with, clearly. But, yeah, I wouldn't have done that. Yeah. I actually don't mind it. And I'm happy to disagree here. Because, and I'll that yeah I actually don't mind it and I'm happy to disagree because because and I'll tell you why I don't mind it because I'm like well she's trying to make the bond with Sam he did guess I feel like that scene was so relatable how often have you because like a friend had the tea and you're like I'll just guess and you like get it um so he like

at this point I didn't think it was that bad for the reason of I'm very against what Sam did in blowing it up like I think she obviously misjudged and mis the reason of I'm very against what Sam did in blowing it up. Like, I think he obviously misjudged and misread Sam, but I feel like Sam shouldn't have done that. So, like, I back her thinking Sam shouldn't do that. And the reasons I think Sam shouldn't have done that, which should make what Rachel does okay, is because, firstly, you're being brought on, not even brought on, you're being told, don't even vote this way. Like, we don't even need your vote. Like, the toothpaste was out of the tube. Like, there was nothing Sam could do. Like, we see, like, he he tries to blow it up and we can talk about what they maybe could have done but like whatever's happening it is so far gone that you know

how is he going to save soul here and like again as we're saying soul's going to people thinking people must be against him unless he thinks it's literally rachel and the three two crews on a four four one which is something i might be considering but everyone else probably thinks that there's a majority so like he's going to Andy must think that Andy has had you know planning to vote against him someone like we know Genevieve like it's just it's so far gone that I don't think that Sam could actually do anything that's the first thing secondly if anything could actually be done the thing I thought was going to happen I thought that Genevieve would be like screw this this is annoying you've ruined my plan and now we just are going to vote for sam

like i think he actually could have put himself in the line of fire for just being annoying and like an instigator in that way um so i don't think he could have done anything i think if he's doing anything it's possibly blowing up in his face and totally all going is not bad for sam you know he says he wants revenge on lavo um the relationship with Sol seems very new and shaky at best. And if Sol goes, like, yes, like, leave in. He says he wants to go for Sue, which was way too audacious. Like, so hard to save Sol, let alone go for Sue. He's like, she's so insulated.

That would be good. Yeah, she's insulated, so it's hard. So, yeah, if it's going to be like a Kyle as an example, something easier that might be a little more realistic, I would rather keep Kyle in. Keep the Kyles, keep the cars, keep the games, but someone like Sam, keep these big threats in front of you and get to a point where you've saved

enough time to win out, be the underdog, sit at the final tribal council with a good story. That's a Sam game. He's never to me going to have enough relationships and connections to eclipse his threat level. And he just has to buy himself time so he can start when he challenges and get to the end as an underdog and win. And I think that soul going actually is a good buffer and like does manage his time well so i wouldn't have done it for those many reasons but anyway what did you think the outcome was great i i just see it as if i was in sam's position and i was next to rachel and i

knew that i'm at the bottom and rachel's at the bottom. And Rachel just told me something where I can take out and take advantage of and be like, hey, guys, Rachel's at the bottom and she's also doing this. She's the one you want, not me. Like that could have gone any way depending on Sam's mood or how safe he felt. If he wanted to completely stuff her over, he could have done it so easily and with great reason as well.

But he's being just as annoying if not more annoying and he's a bigger threat from an immunity perspective or based depending on a puzzle but like he's been the target but when you're feeling at the bottom you couldn't give a shit what you're doing you're clinging on to everything and you're desperate so it's good it didn't go that way i'm happy but it just i think it just comes down again to the type of person you're dealing with and pick and choose what you're saying to do. So I guess she just would have read that a lot better and she knew Sam wouldn't really do something like that.

So she trusted him with that information. That's fair. But she was wrong. She was also very, very fair. I think she was fine to be like, why would he do this? There's nothing he can do. Like, I do. Okay, if someone on the bottom causing chaos, fine.

Breaking the majority on your terms instead of their terms is something I often vouch for. The problem is Sam didn't have the capacity to do it. You know, they couldn't do anything. We can talk about it, but, like, they didn't achieve anything. He just went right back to the killer. It was like a horror movie. He literally comes to Genevieve and he's like's after me and she's the killer it's freaky

so he had so little power that I just feel like maybe he he obviously overestimated trying to go for Sue like it was never gonna happen and I just feel like I wouldn't have even upset the apple cart because he again like the only thing I think they could have saved soul was them being like oh Sam's Sam's not playing ball like he's irritating, like the only thing I think they could have saved soul was them being like, oh, Sam's, Sam's not playing ball. Like he's irritating and he goes insane. I just feel like there was very little to gain for him and possibly more to lose. So I don't blame Rachel because I don't like that Sam did that.

Those things are connected for me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I wanted to talk about, so what could Sol do at that point? Sol said in X interviews, you know, Sam still has the fake idol. Could they use the fake idol?

Why Sam would give Sol the fake idol when Sol was the main person voting out Sierra last time and the beginning of the episode starts with Sam being like, I'm on an anti-lava train. But apparently they had this plan. Is that something they could have done? What can Sol, where does it go so wrong for soul and what can soul do here that's my question because soul i think was playing a great game and is now out of the game yeah

yeah his hands were tied in that moment what do you do like when you in that point his closest allies who are teeny and then honestly cling on to teeny cling on to teeny and her relationships like teeny i'm sorry but teeny's relationships are incredible like that would be my last i'd go to someone that has proper agency in the game social capital look i know her influence hasn't been incredible but she she's she's still in the ears she's still the the you know person on the side that's just going along with everything so it's it's a in the ears she's still the the you know person on the side that's just going along with everything so it's it's a hard one it's so bloody messy but i probably would have went to teeny pulled on her heartstrings and then just the issue with t i want to tell me because well teeny it's so interesting because i love teeny watch it I love teeny as well and I'm like I'm just like

where is it going wrong for teeny because teeny never gets their way ever and I don't think teeny has a bad social game but I don't think like any of these people have bad social games like even the people on the bottom like the Rachel's and like you know Rachel's like in almost becoming like and I think Rachel has a lot of room left to play and I want to talk about it she has an idol she's a smart player she has been an underdog, but there's like a secret scene where she's like, I just want people to work with me. I feel like I have no agency and she's kind of getting to like the Jake

Owen, like sentient goat landscape. But I think she has a lot more game to play and I think it's way too early for that. But I don't think she has a bad social game. I don't think Teenie has a bad social game, but I think Teenie's social game has been, it's only served her defensively. It's been a very bad social game, but I think Teenie's social game has been, it's only served her defensively. It's been a very protective social game. It's the Genevieve's of the, mostly Genevieve every time.

Like with Alice, like Genevieve, here are these enemies. But it's mostly Genevieve being like, you know, I care about Teenie and I'm going to vote out their main ally, but not Teenie. And that, so that's the social game of being protected, but not having and that so so that's the social game of being protected but not having the agency like teeny since the very beginning has not been able to enact what they want and it's so hard for me because it's like if i was teeny i'm like in a perfect world you probably want to get ahead of

it like swipe at someone like a genevieve who will protect you but not enough to actually ever give you what you want and who has like completely diminished your agency and your options but the thing is now you don't have the agency and the options to do it so that's the issue it's like because your agency has been diminished you should make a move i think this is always the issue with being in the bottom you should make a move possibly to take the to take a hit but you can't because you don't have the power that's the problem and that is a cycle do you think she's aware that she she's quite comfortably in the social group like in a defensive way obviously but as in she can we agree that she's kind of untouchable at the

moment like nobody's really talking about me nobody he's not happy with their position at all if i know teeny which i think i do I feel like Teenie's like hating this like Teenie, she's like always at the whims of someone else, usually Genevieve, that's a horrible position to be like, sure, you like me enough to keep me but what about when you choose not to? But I think she's aware that

she might not be the butt of everything her closest allies might be, but I think she's aware that she has some skin in the game with some people and that she might be a bit safer compared to her allies. Would you not say? Well, definitely, but her allies are out the door. That's still a pretty low bar. I'm just saying, if Tuku goes last week, which was Teenie's want, this is a whole different ballgame. Then Teenie's in the middle of something really clear

here with Lavo and Gata, now if anything she has not wanted to work with the two crews the whole time and they have been empowered through every time they're still intact so i don't think i don't see where teeny has the agency to help solve because i don't think that teeny has the power and the options right now because teeny has been it's compounded over weeks like teeny has been depowered never getting their way and like you have to acquiesce because you don't want to like cause a whole thing you don't have the power anyway to do it so you have to take the shot possibly and be that big but you don't have the power to take the shot and now you're like in like a little bit of like survivor jail just like hoping people don't like choose you as the next thing to to kick off the show you take your shot as teeny moving forward how you take your shot as best teeny moving forward is approaching

the men in the middle of the night you approach the men and you say that's what you do the failing of the women's alliance has like is is like a really good indication of where teeny's game has been as the main proponent of like never wanting that to happen and losing it every single week um yeah i i think teeny needs to rebuild some options very very quickly and i think she's closing a lot of doors for herself i know know that she really wants this female alliance and it can come. It doesn't have to come now. You know, speak to people that you need votes first

and then once numbers start to crunch down, then make whatever female alliance you want. At the moment, I just feel like it's too early for all those things to be happening to like sort of close your mind off working with certain people i don't know well i don't think that it was closed off it was more just like if we have an option i would rather keep not because because the things teeny also got on best with the women so yes i'd rather keep the women who i am getting on well with sierra she had a great relationship with

and lost that as an option as an ally as a number so if i were teeny and i do think i think that like yeah teeny's been losing power since I think teeny gave away power the Asia vote and I think Genevieve has been outplaying great players and someone like a soul and a teeny to the point where now teeny is very diminished um and now kind of has to start again almost but I think for teeny like if teeny could be brought into the you know smart self-interested super fan group with rachel and andy who know that genevieve needs to go at a point like working with genevieve but also wary of genevieve and are going to take the time to and to like do something against enemy that's the group um so

that needs to be the thing but again we we see them all as connected to genevieve as like the nucleus so it's about getting rid of that and having something on the side of of genevieve against genevieve at a point and i think that's the move of genevieve against genevieve at a point and i think that's the move and genevieve's teeth are so sunken into so many people that it's almost impossible for information to escape her and we we saw that literally yes like exactly like at least yeah if plans do get out they get out but you know what at least you know that it's coming back to you regardless like that that's the thing that she should be comfortable with what she should be worried about is if the information didn't come back to her and then people still talked about that means she

doesn't have any control but we can see in this game this episode that she's got all the control she's getting in everyone's ears and people are coming to her with information which is the best position you can be in survivor it's just a matter of are you going to maintain this high or are you just going to come crashing down next episode yeah and i think that's the thing with genevieve it's like yeah she's way out in front and that should mean that she's getting taken down but it requires people who are more connected to her than they are to each other to put that aside yet come to each other be like this is the thing it'll work together against her that does happen in the new era soul had connections but again i think someone like genevieve was really working on eroding those connections and like

painting it on him so someone has to be very anti-genevieve and have the social capital more than genevieve's extreme social capital to pull it off it's possible but it's hard and that's what i'm vowed like that's why i'm vouching for genevieve in being able to protect against that as so much more powerful than people who are trying to do that. But it might happen at a point, but I do think she has, again, more runway on that than most people would. But a few things here, a few questions. So, okay, so going back to Sol. So do we think, I think I kind of like this move, this move with Sam on the fake idol. Do we think, it ends up being a unanimous vote. They don't split the vote they were never splitting the vote this is interesting to me because they did technically at a point we saw the main numbers be a six to three um and they

weren't splitting for someone like genevieve maybe she thinks it possibly bounces back on like a carl anyway sue becomes a bit of a name but if carl can be i mean i think that's fine maybe she does want to you know obviously make a split target on someone like teeny could have been a sam split target maybe it's just too chaotic a bit too late a bit too anti-social a bit yeah a bit too scary when the numbers are this vague um i i think it's it's but I also, you know, admire Jen's very social gameplay that is not going to split as much, but there's no split. So if there's an idol, it is possible, I think,

that they shift the vote away from Sol. Maybe to Sam, actually, ironically. But is this the move for Sol to use the fake idol here? Oh, I don't know if it is. Honestly, why didn't Rachelachel just play an article song get that would have been a terrible move that would have been like wow but like yeah let's like protect a minority i know like rachel he's not that idol rachel's gonna protect herself with that idol one day like that's gonna be and that's gonna be a great and i think like if you're rachel

you don't have you haven't had enough you know relationship options in the game to this point to protect someone as much as soul helped her like the idol is your best ally and you just keep that in your pocket but but a fake idol could at least shift the target from soul but i guess maybe just never panned out that might be where i go you what? It's so scary planning a fake anything. Like, because if you get caught out, that's it. You're absolutely done. So, yeah, it takes a lot of heart and balls to, like, go along with a fake plan and then just act like everything's

completely fine when you're crapping yourself because if something goes wrong, you're going home. So I don't blame them if that was just too much for them to handle because it's a lot. It's actually a lot. And you need to be a great liar in the moment. And at Tribal Council, you are crapping yourself. So, yeah.

Yeah. I don't blame you. We're also, like, very close to Tribal Council when all of this was happening. I do think, like, I was crediting, like, these socialness, but now I'm thinking, like, with six votes, it's not like you know where all the votes are. Like I think maybe they should have tried to split the vote.

Yeah, but it doesn't seem like that's the style of the season much either. It's very chaotic. That's not really Jeremy's style. I think if you're splitting on Sam and Sol, that is pretty good. You are giving a lot of power to like again andy and rachel to be true swings at that point and just like ruin it on their own reverse plurality vote but i feel like genevieve starless could just blindside right like genevieve still blindside soul even in amongst this that's what's crazy to me like soul doesn't play shot on the dark like

soul was still blindsided even within all of that that's a credit credit Genevieve, and I guess that's a Genevieve way. Here is an amateur question. Why doesn't Sol just say, hey, Shot in the Dark, can I play it? Bullshit. Sol, I think, really should have played a Shot in the Dark. And I know that it's so easy because, yeah, like I think that it's easy from my couch to be like,

clearly you were unanimously voted out. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to be like, you probably a show on the dot but from soul saying that to him well yeah well that was i want to talk about teeny because teeny told soul that genevieve had come up with a anti the anti-soul plan at tribal but then was like don't vote for genevieve and i want to talk about that because should teeny be saying like maybe not that because that's a lot of information and then Teenie was scared that he would vote for Genevieve and then that would come back on Teenie but like maybe Teenie should be like this is really dicey I think you should play a shot in the dark but the thing with Sol is he thinks if it's going to be the original plan and now like all the names are out there and Gabe is saying he's voting Kyle

but like he might think it's him Sam Teenie Andy and Genevieve yeah I mean he heard that Genevieve was against him so if he thinks it but he thinks it might be those five against four and then he needs his vote he can't play show on the dark now two weeks ago I would have said he should do it anyway and then their five four wins on a four3 revote but as of last week we know that's not true and it would have gone back to a 4-4 revote the revote rules are different but i still think relying on your numbers when you've heard your name and you know some call is coming from inside the house i think you i i am i being too harsh to be like how did he not play a shot in the dark here like how did he trust anyone i'm confused about it well yeah yeah you're right i i don't know how but again it could have been just

one of those things in the moment like he seems like he was just he gets scattered very easily like if someone says something to him he you can tell his his mind starts to wander off so honestly i genuinely think just in the moment he was just like he was just so confused there's so many conversations happening he was so focused on just not getting voted out rather than just playing the shot in the dark so i genuinely think it was just a slip up who knows i need to ask him well there's so many red flags it's like yeah the fact that like you can't agree on sue and carl it's because most people don't care because it's not the vote i think that's a big one i think the fact that you don't know

where the majority assuming it was a majority was coming for you from who where are the votes who were the votes that something is completely not right like if you're at tribal council and you have a set of eyes and you just watch them long enough it was very obvious i'm sure it would have been very obvious where you would have been going with the people getting up and speaking and it says a lot from our couch we're all confused where the boat's going because it's all theatrics but in that moment when you were there and you're just watching everyone get up and speak and like for a good 40 minutes i'm pretty sure you can end up coming to a conclusion, you know, after that 40 minutes. I would think because Tini literally said

to Sol, apparently, Genevieve came up with a plan against you. Who are the four votes that he thinks he's attaching to that makes his work so pivotal? And not to sort of pivot away just slightly going back to Rachel. See, this is why Rachel is such a great player because she

played this short in the dark, but then the second she did, she immediately watched everyone. And that is what you should be doing, especially at a tribal that's so bloody animated and everything's going on. She immediately watched everyone and realized nobody flinched and she was safe. And that's what Sol should have been doing. That's what a lot of the people should have been doing is just watching them because I guarantee you one little slip up would have given something away. You just needed to be observant enough. That's all it is.

Yeah, I think it's an indictment on Sol that every other player got wind of it to make it unanimous and he still didn't know to play a shot in the dark. I think that there's enough there that it got so crazy that everything came out and Sol still was relying on people who were never with him, I think that there's enough there that it got so crazy that like everything came out. And so Stool was relying on people who were never with him, let alone at that point, even his closest allies had jumped ship to the unanimous vote. So, I mean, I hate to be too harsh on it, but like,

it does seem really clear. Play it. But in saying that, I will say, not to go back to my season, but the Eileen vote-off was in my face as well. Like I've spoken to a bunch of people and I just didn't see that Eileen was getting gunned for when he was right in front of me. It's just in that moment you just, sometimes you just don't see things. So I'll give all that credit. Even from the couch.

Also, I'm realising that earlier I was like, you were like, don't vote out your own allies. I'm like, but you did. I was thinking you voted up Eileen, but you didn't. You were a loyal person. I mischaracterized you. You were very loyal. I did what everyone on your season did. Saying that you voted. No, you were so loyal. I hate myself. That's not what happened.

I came with you people. Everyone's just just cunning for me. The fact that you were like, you shouldn't vote out your allies. I'm like cunning for me the fact that you were like you shouldn't vote out your allies i'm like but you did and you're like no i didn't oh my god when is this narrative gonna stop no okay you're right um yeah i think i think um should should so should teeny go to soul and be like because teeny knows that souls of work i think saying genevieve was the name at that point was too much information but but should teeny say soul i don't know what's going on.

I do not trust these numbers. Play your shot in the dark. Should Teenie at least give Sol that? Yes, yes, yes, yes. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Teenie. I love you so much. But if you're going to cry for Sol, you can tell him to at least play your shot in the dark.

Play your shot in the dark. I agree. I agree. I think like, and like, I guess the concern is like, if everyone's voting Sol on a unanimous re-vote, Tini might be an option. I still think Sam, then Kyle, then Tini, but vote for Kyle. You know, Kyle was meant to be a vote. Like have that be the one vote.

Just like, it's not even that bad. Why didn't Tini say something? It's like, say players, you genuinely think people just missed that and completely forgot about it? Maybe Tini thought it was obvious. Maybe Td thought that they didn't have to like explicitly tell soul to do it and it wasn't looking good i don't i think that td should be like soul the numbers are not here so you're shown the dark and then i think td should vote for kyle which was a plan anyway and like you'll still probably be in the game and it's whatever like kyle doesn't seem

super vindictive and had been a target and it's not working with teeny it's fine and if soul's shot in the dark hits then carl goes home and it's not we don't even take it to a revote and you have a 16.666 percent of your number one ally staying and i think for teeny yeah like even as a shield you know like for sure you want soul in the game so yep i think that was a miss I don't know yeah I will say Tini's downfall is that she's genuinely happy to be everyone's friend I don't I think I think Tini is too worried about upsetting people or or because you can see after every vote she's always explaining herself she's she's never really in the mix of like suggesting like she just wants to be everyone's friend you can tell but i think that would be teeny's downfall i think teeny now needs to get aggressive needs to start coming up

with plans start swiping like you said she needs to get in the game yeah with now extremely diminished capital that will make that incredibly hard tough i was gonna say tough then i said hard then i said both it's gonna be tough and hard and i think teeny needs to start rebuilding from now because i yeah i don't see where the options are i think it's a it's a whole new tact with whole new allies and the the coalition needs to start now um we can't keep going this way. We can't just be acquiescing to power, allowing allies to go home,

getting in with the group again, hoping defensively that you aren't the target, having your social game protect you. I think it needs to be more building, more active, more offensive. I think this will be tough because I think Team New is starting from pretty much ground zero on that.

A couple of questions here. Okay, so Rachelachel so rachel turning on soul there's no good deed it was unpunished right yes um during the month do we feel like because last week tara and i debated at length like would rachel be pissed off at soul for not cluing her into the sierra vote or would rachel still be grateful to soul for saving her once and getting the you know possible vote off her last week compared to Ciara. Do you feel like Rachel here was like, screw Sol? Or do you think that Rachel just couldn't save Sol?

Like, did Rachel want Sol or not? Yeah, I think she just couldn't save Sol. I think she was at that point where she was like, honestly, I was at the bottom last tribal. I'm just going to go with anything that will help me in the end. And at this point, if I try saving Sol, I'm making myself more known and being this other person that keeps pushing back and i'm already at the bottom i don't want to be that person

of their soul i think yeah i do agree i think that's what happened um i'd love to talk about to talk about toku because this is so interesting to me i feel like again i feel like this move is only tenable because to who are not united yes but i was thinking can you imagine the game right now if they was doing exactly what they're doing telling everyone playing exactly the same way but in confessional we're telling us like i don't actually want to get rid of kyle i don't care that he voted for me two weeks ago like we're actually too strong and when we get to eight you're gonna hear about it and we're gonna be the majority i would be like that is so baller like they it would be like the reaper four like it would be or even the taku four

um in 42 that no one knew was a four until they started getting the majority then had all the power that would be epic but then they're telling us in confessional so you like really wants kyle out and i hate this because i feel like why do you still care kyle could not be more innocuous the fact that it's like kyle and then you cut to kyle and he's just being like the most passive like completely fine play i know so can i ask is when did this start from when i actually think it started from from like episode two that's yeah it was when it was when kyle voted for Sue and they voted out TK. That's insane to me. So long ago.

That's insane to me. Yeah, just let it go. You see, again, she's so laser focused. See, the thing with Sue is, number one, she's laser focused on getting someone out. And number two, her game is completely tied to another person, completely. If Gabe is out, then she said to herself, she's going to be lost. She doesn't know.

So at the moment, she's in a pretty okay spot, but I think she needs to change something. She needs to shift her target from Kyle. She needs to start working with Kyle maybe. I think genuinely if I was Sue yeah go to Kyle let's put this bad blood behind us or whatever I'm done with this let's actually work together now Kyle would be like what bad blood it's so one-sided like I feel like Sue would be like Kyle I forgive you he be like, when were you mad at me? Like, for what?

Who is PK? I don't even remember what you're talking about. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah. Poor thing. But you're right. It could have been something really, really great.

But, yeah, Sue's just that player that just can't. I don't think she would be able to shake it, to be honest. She wouldn't. Yeah. She wants that. She wants that. She wants Carl. We got a question, and the question was read, and someone was like, if Tuku get the, you know, majority, or I guess the plurality of eight even,

will you podcasters start giving them credit? And I'm like, I would give them so much credit if that was what they were doing. Like, if that's what they were trying to get to, but they're not a Tuku four. They keep telling, if they were in confessional, like, yeah, we're working together and everyone thinks that we have this fracture,

that would be incredible. Like, or even, like, Caroline is, like, really, like, we have to get rid of Carl because he's an immunity threat. Carl is not a threat to anyone. Like, you can get rid of Carl. I bet you you can outplay Carl at a point whenever he loses. Again, in the three immunity challenges that he won, one was against half the group, he came third and one two might have won but the women

was on a different thing so all of them have at least a little bit of an asterisk I do think that Carl is great challenges he clearly did well in this challenge as well but like he'll lose and you'll get rid of him it's fine it's great to paint as a target like for Caroline to use that as a shield and for it to like oh we're getting rid of one of the two coups okay at that point let it be Kyle but to push it on Kyle out of the group and use up your target of your own volition I'm not into that like two coups like it's yeah they really need to get over the Kyle thing because he's just could not be a more chill guy I love him he's so much fun to watch because he's literally just in survivor everyone's crapping themselves and getting paranoid he's like the same vibes as

as jayden was just chill he's just chill on the island and just doing his thing i feel like um yeah no sue just needs to let it go there's, you know, more other people that we're focusing on. Yeah, and the thing is, like, I do think that Sue is in a good position in the game. That's why I think for Sam it's a mistake to try to go after Sue, to be like, well, she's so – Sue's very well insulated. If we get rid of Sue, then we'll break up the whole game. It's like that's why that's hard to do 10 minutes before

when you don't have the numbers. But, like, Sue does have Gabe and Caroline. And I think that Sam was crediting her closeness with obviously Genevieve. We've seen that now with Rachel, even an Andy is what Sam says. But I think my issue is in Sue's approach, like the emotionality of still caring about, of still caring about Carl. And even the way that, yeah, I think that's so underreported of what a good part of this move it was for

Genevieve to actively erode Sol's connections when Sol was well connected and that's what made him a threat you know to go to Sue and be like he's coming for Gabe like we see Teenie and Sol together come for Gabe Genevieve puts it all on Sol and and really like amps up what a threat that he and Teenie are going to ping pong between the other alliances like really does well that for someone like emotional like sue i think that that works very well and i and then i criticize you for that because i don't i think that i obviously gabe is important to her and that should be something that she should factor in um because she like gabe is again critical to her game but i also think that sue is someone who will be reactionary

and it's not like thinking through okay but then can I work with Sol or should I talk to Sol I'm not even saying that that's what she should do I just think that it also vibes with like what we've seen of her game the whole time which is somewhat more emotional somewhat more reactionary and then it's going to work like a charm when you come to her with that name and like the

thing is Sol could have even not said Gabe and I think it would work you know like and Genevieve did hit on something real and i do think that it's something sue should actually be concerned about but i also think the genevieve at that point is in a position where she can manipulate you very very well on information that probably doesn't even need to be true i think genuinely like i've been watching uh genevieve and how the way she's just delivering everything is just phenomenal. The way she's dealing with it all in her – and you know what? I will say that is a very common thing between what I've seen between –

now that you've mentioned that Kirby and Genevieve, it's their calm nature. That's what it is. It's the calm nature of a player to be able to have certain conversations in stressful situations like a scramble where everyone is running around. You want to be that calm nature that people come to. And I feel like those are the vibes she gives off where it's almost like safe. It's not, okay, what are we doing?

It's, what are we doing? What's the go? Yeah, it's a lot more calm. It feels a lot safer. And I feel like that's what she has. And she's fantastic at delivering it. It's just a matter of seeing how she goes. Yeah.

Someone else that I want to talk about in that is Gabe. Something really interesting, and I want to bring this up. I have the Survivor Fact Checker confessional stats here because we are on YouTube. I haven't said that yet. But some of this really surprised me. Like, Gabe. What?

Do you think Gabe had that many confessionals because i didn't know yeah gabe has 44 confessionals as much as andy that's really surprising to me i feel like andy is such a huge storyteller sam has the worst by the way these confessional charts were really surprising to me and i know we put more stock in the confessional charts in u.s survivor compared to to Australian Survivor because there's so much other material. There's match chats, there's more tribal council, there's more kind of in Australian Survivor. And I do think we have a good sense of everyone in the season, but just the confessional charts, I wanted to bring them up,

being here on YouTube. But like Teenie having 38, Teenie having six fewer than Gabe to me, that's very surprising to me. Yeah, I feel like I owe Teenie way more than go than gabe yeah do you think it's because gabe as a character is a bit more one note on like kind of the big game type of heel type player he's trying to be a teeny bit more multi-dimensional but i'm just i'm really surprised and genevieve obviously on 30 but we know that she had a um you know a really low start to the confessionals but even with that like even even factoring that in i mean gabe has 11 in the first episode so i guess that is a lot

but still you i would think that genevieve has really like come out of the blocks to make it up since then and she's still pretty low on 30 there um sue on 28 carl on 24 and then caroline on 21 i was i was really surprised that andy wasn the most. Sam's the most. Gabe had that many. The Genevieve was still as low as she is. And the Teenie was at 38. That would have put Teenie as a top narrator. I wanted to put the charts out there. I didn't realize Gabe was

actually that high. Yes. That's shocking to me. It's very shocking to me. I honestly like, I feel like I've even seen Sue talk more in commercials than Gabe. Yes. I'm telling you, that's really surprising to me. I honestly, like, I feel like I've even seen Sue talk more in confessionals than Gabe. Yes. That's really surprising to me.

I guess it's because Gabe had 11 in the first episode, and that is a lot. And Sam's also, like, said 16 in episode two, a lot of idle stuff, 11 in this last episode. So when it's, like, not as consistent, I think that's it. Like, if you were to take away even just that 11, it bumps him down. But I would have still thought, I still think that that's surprising to me, but I do,

I do want to to credit Gabe. I wanted to talk about it because I think that Gabe is really pivotal. Obviously the way they talk about Gabe is like the leader of two who can get all the numbers together is important. But then I also just think, I think one of the things that soul fell to other than being like outplayed by a really strong player in Genevieve, but I think one of the things soul fell to is how much people did not want gabe to be a target and even if gabe doesn't want immunity here i don't think he goes i think sue obviously hates that genevieve wants to work with gabe doesn't like that it was easy to rally people

against soul even with his social capital because he targeted gabe and so many people didn't like that and i really feel like i need to credit Gabe on that. Yes. And his main professionals. A hundred percent. I agree. I think Gabe is really good at threat management as well. I think he's got his – he knows how to sort of maneuver

around some things. And I've said this as well in um you know in previous episodes the way that he is choosing his align like even from the beginning that he just chose sue from the beginning to sort of get in with them slowly and to invest in that relationship and we've seen how much that has helped flourish him he seems like he's got a good read of everyone around him it's just a matter of executing it right again um but yeah he's in a very very good position i completely agree with you the fact that people aren't like everybody does want to work with him and sort of wants to shift their target on someone else

as there's a lot about what he's doing behind the scenes and the work back at camp that is so important same thing with genevieve how she's putting the work back at camp um with these new alliance members that she's sort of, she wouldn't be able to do any of that if she didn't put that work in. I feel like Gabe has been doing that from the start but with the same people. If there is anyone on this tribe at the moment that is really, really close with a bunch of other people, it's going to be Gabe.

Gabe has Sue and Gabe. Yeah, like those are the strongest. That's how I see it. Sue and Gabe I don't think anyone could sort of break Sue away from Gabe. Anyone. Yeah I agree. I think that this spoke well to Gabe's influence and power this episode I think.

And then I guess more just on the episode. I said it was an episode of two halves. What do you think about this twist? What have you thought about the twist? I mean you've watched two new era seasons I feel like this season is a lot of like spinny wheel into like whatever this week is and this merge just kind of felt like this new thing and last week was more like the auction um are you liking it have you gotten used to the new era production decisions yet or is it can you can we get this journey out of here?

I don't like this. I don't like the whole journey thing. I don't like the, I don't like it at all. Like even when I remember there was in this last episode, there was a scene where Gabe was explaining that there's literally three divisions going on in this tribe. There's a tribe that's completely, can possibly lose their votes going on to the journey. There's a tribe that's completely can possibly lose their votes

going on to the journey there's a tribe that's on reward and it's a tribe that like there's so many different things happening people need to just chill out we don't need a journey we don't need to lose votes stop taking away bloody votes no more yeah i mean you know how i feel about that and and but i can see this season like they have the auction and I watched and I'm like I don't know why they ever took it off it was so entertaining to watch I loved that auction much better than ours really yeah yeah I like because of the toothpaste I think so I'm very salty I was very minty that I was very minty. That's very true. But no, I liked it.

I loved the auction. But everything else, I just get this journey out of it. I'm not on board with that. Yeah, the nine hours that I spent at that wedding thinking four people could lose their votes, I was like apoplectic. I was not good company. Because I mean, and they've done this before so yeah so again they've done the like break into pairs or even groups of three for a challenge and then

and then it was groups of three and 45 and they separated them onto the bottom three went to the journey and all played an individual challenge to possibly lose their vote i think two did end up losing their vote and it was all private and then the middle group got nothing and then the top group got a chicken um and then one person won immunity and yeah i mean i'm so grateful i guess that it was just one person losing their vote but i shouldn't have to be grateful for that that is upsetting as well people are losing votes at murder like yeah to me yeah as owen pointed this out no it also does make a final nine vote which is a very interesting vote permutation and i do like that it's public like again all of the things i'm talking about with the plurality potential and all of that's only possible where as genevieve

says you know what numbers and ingredients you're working with all those cool votes when i've seen the other four three two votes happen it's because someone like tony can be like everyone's voting right and we know where they're voting and that type of knowledge it used to be wow you know where everyone's voting it's so impressive now you have no you know where everyone's voting and if they're even voting it's another and that's so hard for good players to put plans you know in action and genevieve perfectly um talked about that in confessional i worry production look at it in confessional and are like yes you can't make the plan there there's monster is it's so hard so it's like

no you want people to be able to do cool plans i love when people have cool plans yes ah like i don't i i worry the production don't know what's good and bad about these things i worry that they think what's interesting about this episode is that like the challenge is so much it's so hard for them and they could use their vote and it's so scary and like what's good about it is that actually they come back knowing the votes and then can create a plan around it and like it is interesting and people make real decisions and then like a big player goes in a blind side like that's survivor to me um and i hope that that's i don't know that that's what production know because it's seven seasons in and they're still doing it and we'll

do it for the foreseeable future and i just just think, like, is anyone enjoying this? Like, who is this for at this point? And they had to play the dumbest game. I mean, Jenga was fun, actually. Reverse Jenga was actually pretty fun. Who doesn't love a good game of Jenga? Where does the reverse come in? Can someone explain that one to me?

Because in Jenga, it's a tower, and you have to take things out and have it not me because in Jenga it's a tower and you have to take things out and have it not fall here you had to be and had it not fall oh okay because I'm like but in Jenga you're stacking things as well no you're not stacking you're taking it off yeah yeah okay how good is Jenga though just separately not maybe for survivor but like yes Jenga is really fun but why is it a part of this? Oh my god, I'm so over having to come in and complain, because I love, again,

the second half of this episode, I was invigorated by it. And I think other people, I was more than other people, because other people were like, they were upset about Soul, which is fair. It was a unanimous vote, but at the end of the day, Genevieve made a big move that's highly debatable. People made interesting decisions, and a big player went

out like this is survivor this is survivor but the challenge and oh my god like my brother is he's intense about like and the same with me like he doesn't miss anything he's like even i was speaking through the challenge you know like and that's that's big yeah the challenges are exhausting to watch like they're big and not one for a lot like what just happened to this one thing just do one thing for 40 minutes and see the wins yeah and it's and it's also it's like i mean whatever the like how homogenous the challenges have been we've talked about it to death but like it is what it is and i mean what did you think about like the whole twist of them being in pairs and choosing the pairs and like the kind of reality of that yeah that's it i like that i like

i like anything that doesn't affect the game greatly but gives people insights of the game moving forward i like that so i like the fact that there's pairs that that's not really going to affect much about like positioning the game or whatever's pairs. That's not really going to affect much about, like, positioning the game or whatever. But it's also going to give people a bit of ideas as to where people's heads are, how people, again, it's free information. So any chance where people can get free information where games can evolve, I absolutely love.

That doesn't affect vote-offs. So, yeah, any pairing or anything like that just to spice things up, I'm completely fine with. I like love. That doesn't affect vote-offs. So, yeah, any pairing or anything like that just to spice things up, I'm completely fine with. I like it. It was funny that Andy was like, Sam wants to hang out with me. And Sam was like, I think I can beat Andy. I do think that if you knew that you might lose your votes, you probably would have made a different decision.

And I can't even blame production because in groups of three before, have lost votes so you could have been wary of it but like if i'm sam who ends up playing for his vote i'm probably less wanting to like carry andy on my back to beat him that i might want to just make sure i get through someone like gabe was like i know i'll be okay with carl and then you are risking your vote less if they had known that but i can't really blame them i mean at point, it's hard to prepare for anything. Like, anything can happen in the spinning wheel of the new era. So, yeah.

Yeah, it was definitely two halves of the episode for me. Should we get to the chizzy? Should we talk about it? Let's do it. Take it away, Jacob Segal-Weinstein and MC Color. One, two, three. One, one, one, Weinstein and MC Color. One, two, three. One, two, three.

It's getting kind of cheesy. Three, two, one. Look at this. Soul was on top of the cheesy charts. Genevieve clocked it and was like, nah, I'm taking out my cheesy competition. And now Genevieve is way in the lead, as we'll see. We'll see from people who, yeah. Very interesting Chizzy charts.

If you're not watching on YouTube, I will give them points soon. But put these out on Twitter and Blue Sky now, which is a thing of the last week, Twitter's rapid decline. Yeah, everyone's moving from there. Yeah. Well, we can moving from there. Yeah. Well, we can talk about Blue Sky a little bit, but I did put the Chibi charts out on both platforms, and they're here in the YouTube video. Ferris, who would you be giving your Chibi

points to? I thought this week kind of hard. I thought the one point was hard for me, but I'm interested to hear your thoughts. Okay. So we're doing three, two, one? Is that what we're doing? Yeah. That's good. Three for Genevieve like you you can't go any other way like I don't know who else I would give it to if it wasn't for Genevieve um three for Genevieve two for Rachel.

Rachel working with what she has, like going from being at the bottom to slowly gaining some sort of agency in the game, having that idol as well is also helping her out as well. She's coming back from a pretty hard loss. So two to Rachel and one to Andy. Where's Andy? Oh, Andy rachel and one to andy where's andy oh andy yeah one to andy i like that andy is being a bit more open-minded with um who he wants to work with and he is doing what teeny should be doing and that's putting his foot down same thing with teeny teeny should be putting the foot down and start making moves um in order to gain some sort of agency. And that's what Andy's doing.

So Andy gets my one point. Okay. Well, I actually did. I wanted to, I'm going to put Rachel in, she was someone I was considering for the one point. I'm putting more maybe in an honorable mention just for like having, again, I don't blame her for Sam. And I think, you know,

having the relationships and being brought in is good. I wanted to say about Rachel Rachel to me is in this like archetype of underdogs with to this point I haven't seen the power but I think that it could come and I know she has the tools obviously with an idol and the capacity I think to use it but I feel like Rachel to me falls into like she really reminds me of like Michelle Fitzgerald in season 40. And that is because I felt like Michelle played a really great underdog game. And I think that Rachel has the capacity for that. And I feel like what,

what Rachel does and I might even compare it to like, especially if she can use it like a Wentworth in Cambodia or even Eileen in your season, which is what Rachel will maximize her opportunities to 150%. So like taking the rice or gauging and i love that we got the confirmation like gauging the reaction on the shot in the dark rachel every opportunity that rachel gets she will maximize so it's like overthought capacity which as an overthinker i really appreciate um but her as an underdog her opportunities i think have been very limited

when she gets the opportunity she will you know play know, play it to its extremes, but I think she's had limited. And she knows that like she's in the secret scenes. Like, are you guys going to stop playing with me yet? Or like, what am I doing with that? But I think that Rachel would have a great story at the end as an underdog who has like big visible moves, like leaving tribal council, still has an idol to play with. Can, you know, credit the show in the dark,

even something really public like the rice thing. It's all very tangible and easy to talk about and big but it's limited in how much she's been able to do um so that's just where i see her i thought about her maybe as an honorable mention um but yeah i'm giving three points to genevieve which will put her on the top of the chitty chitty charts now at 21 um you know yeah there's no other way to go with this for me. It's easily Genevieve. And I think like, will Genevieve win? Like, again, I think he's going to lose at fire.

But should Genevieve win the Chizzy? Yes. Like this is a proud tradition of the big players who control everything and don't necessarily win in the new era. And she would be in the long lines of the Omas, the Jessys. You know, there's so many players that I think that i think you know even like well carson was more actually more with tika but yeah ricard some of the big players um and i think that that's where that's where she'll be i don't think she'll win due to her early edit and because i think that

the fire thing has really been creeping up on us from the pre-season but i think she's playing a phenomenal game and i think she should win the Chizzy. And I think that that would feel right. And it's great that she's leading it by a lot now with soul out of it, but I'm going to give some points to Gabe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because of Gabe's influence. And I think that this is like, it is a two crew win,

but then I'm like not loving the, the, you know, anti-Carl sentiment on two crew. that's like such a kind of you know unprompted cell phone so you know hard for me to kind of credit sue in that i did think about sue from a positioning standpoint but i just hate the car stuff so much yeah so i'm giving two to gabe and then i'm giving one to andy who was approached in both plans i think is a big thing was he as much the swing i don't think as much i think it's really genevieve's power because we got questions like is this you know unanimous vote or genevieve like it really is a lot of genevieve then leading toku to it that is as we put the plurality into

the majority it's her connections and again even when it goes absolutely pear-shaped it just comes back to her like i really for genevieve just sticking with it not getting scared you know because in the moment i'm like she does not need to go back on this you know she has the numbers it's still fine don't renee and she never was right it was all noise and just blindsiding soul keeping with it acting so well like having information come back to her and then having to move in the chaos so so good anyway that's genevieve two to gabe one to andy who was um yeah approached first and i still think you know is is hanging that's Genevieve. Two to Gabe, one to Andy, who was, um, yeah, approached first. And I still think, you know, is, is hanging on to Genevieve. And like for both Andy and Rachel, there's points in the fact that they had that conversation at the beginning of the episode and the thinking of working together. I think that's really good. Um, I don't go against

any of Andy's decisions as much as he could have them, um, as a quasi swing to a degree. Um, and yeah, just being brought in, I think is really good. So let's see what the charts are. If I can do it on the fly. Genevieve on 21 and Sol left on 18. That leaves. Now Andy's next and Sam on 11. 10 points under. Genevieve right now is still active players in the game.

Teenie nine, Sue nine, Caroline seven, Rachel up to six, Gabe up to four, Carl on three three and Tiana and Asia left on one I think that's where we're at so Genevieve might be running away with it but who knows they might snipe her next week you know like last week I was like Saul got six points he was doing so well and he got sniped you know anything

I'll be so surprised if Genevieve's name is not mentioned next episode that would be a credit to her yeah of course it would be That would be a credit to her. Yeah, of course it would be. It would be a huge credit. Huge social game as well, yeah. But we'll see what happens.

Yeah, I think, again, that's Genevieve. Every single move Genevieve makes is like a multi-part move. It's about making the move, making connections as you make the move, as we saw her do with Tuku, with Rachel, with Andy, and then having those connections actually protect you, which is hard in the new era and having other people just have so much less capital and agency than you that they can't come against you. And then having other names out there. You know, I think the fact that we still have the Sams, the Carls,

even possibly the Gabes, although I think that's due to his connections a bit harder, but like now maybe we take a bit of a step back. We get out the easy names, take out a Carl, take out a Sam, let's get it really run it down. Or even if you can maybe push out some, some of the sneakier threats that you thought and keep, keep Carl and Sam, but then at a point you need to start using up those shields and that will

kind of, you know, propel her to the end game. I think. Genevieve needs to find her core and then genevieve needs to then stay quiet for that whole day and let everyone else come up with a plan and stick to her core that is the best way to reach her threat moving forward if genevieve starts throwing another person's name out and genevieve is in trouble genevieve will now be known as the person that just comes up with the plans okay and as well as genevieve doesn't actually know who's really like going to be sticking with her because you know why everyone voted for sol so we don't know who's genevieve's closest person or not we just don't know if that just suited their game to vote sol out or because they want to work with

genevieve so that's the tricky part now navigate, okay, who was actually down to work with me and who was just down to vote for Saul? She needs to distinguish those two. Yeah. And who's also working with me, but then won't when push comes to shove. And I think that that's the issue that she's investing a lot in relationships that are good relationships, but they're savvy players. The Andes, the Rachels, I mean, T has not been invested in, but you know, these are the players who i think can be all like you know at a point should we all get genevieve will they have the capital to do it

what other people want to do it that's the question but again genevieve can do more than most and it's not that this is a reason to do the move it's definitely not but like genevieve can afford to have fun genevieve can afford to go out and like play a big fun survivor game where you look back you're like that like even like the way she was like I can't believe that worked like it's not a reason to do it and I wouldn't like that but like from a personal perspective like those are the two options for Genevieve she can afford more than most

people to have a lot of fun with it and we're having fun with it right loving you as a survivor thank you for talking to me nah anytime honestly this genuinely like i was a bit behind a couple of days ago and i'm like nah i need to watch all these episodes and then i watched it i'm like oh what the hell have i been missing out on because i hate when i miss out when it's live

everyone's tweeting and talking crap so now i'm glad i'm up today and no this season has been absolutely amazing i'm loving this cast. I will be happy with anyone winning at this point, but I've got my favourites, so, yeah. Yeah, well, tweeting and, as we said, blue sky skeeting is, I think, what they're saying. I'm on blue sky now, at Shannon Gates, same as always. Twitter, Instagram, tweeting about the episodes.

Ferris, where can the people find you and what you're doing? You can find me honestly everywhere. Just type my full name, Ferris Basal, and you find me on Instagram, Twitter, Blue Sky, everywhere else. You're on Blue Sky? Am I following you? I tried to find you for the question thread and I couldn't find you. When did you make your Blue Sky?

Like two days ago. Oh, I couldn't find you. Oh, really? I tried for the question thread i looked at i looked at i'm gonna find you and i'm gonna follow you now it's my full name i posted a link on my twitter oh i missed that um but yeah you can find me at me about yeah thank you so much for your time shannon that was awesome i love this i love chatting all things about with you it's so much fun yes thank you for indulging my plurality votes and my or you should have last week i had a bit of a thing with the um the revo rules being different um in australian survivor and i think i know the answer to this do you guys have like a rule book do you know the rules or

are you just assuming the rules at any given time? Because you didn't really know that it was even rocks, right? Oh, yeah. Okay, okay. Yeah, I can explain this. There is no rule book. Look, there's only a rule book in terms of I can't just steal someone's idol from their back. Like I can't be looking through their backs. But there isn't a clear, okay, this is what rocks means.

This is X, Y. There isn't anything like that. Should I write that and give it to people but i don't know when they don't know this is the thing is there's nothing i was wrong until last week on what the revote rules were so i can't do that they should do that wait what were the review what are the reasons i feel like i'm missing something yes last week it's a whole thing it was 20 minutes of last week but last week they said that at a two-person re-vote usually you don't re-vote because you can only vote for each other so

you just cancel each other but because sam didn't have a vote sierra voted but at three person re-votes in the past they have they haven't re-voted which makes no sense and then i spiraled it seems silly it was very valid um again it even changes things now because again i would have said this week like sol might as well play show in the dark because because at a 5-4 then he and the target both won't re-vote as i thought and then his side on the 5-4 went on a 4-3 but no his target the other target would vote because he doesn't have a vote so it would be a 4-4 it changes everything and I'm so so vindicated in that yeah look all I know is they definitely didn't give me a rundown of what are the possibilities that could happen if xyz happened so that's all I know an Australian survivor I didn't even know what bloody rocks were until it happened. And you still won, right?

So how much does any of this stuff matter? It doesn't matter. It really doesn't. The fact that I'm like, why are they all going to rocks? And everyone was like, the what now? The rocks. What rocks? Yeah.

Oh, God. So good. It's concerning, though. But this has been really fun, Ferris. Thank you for catching up for us and being a fairly good student. And next time, by the time we see you next time, you'll have seen every US Survivor season. I'm excited about it.

I promise you I will. Thank you so much. This is a Ferris promise. But that's not right either because you were very loyal. I'm telling you, I'm going to go live in about, I'm making this announcement.

When I have the time, I will go live and I will watch one episode every night. I will hold myself accountable. Everyone, please hold Ferris accountable. Please. How many episodes is it? Like 13, 14, similar to this.

Oh, what was that? I'm thinking it's like 24. Okay. Nothing. And it's 40 minutes, not even 60. Oh, I'll do it tonight. I know. And you literally could. And this is what I'm saying even 60. Oh, I'll do it tonight. I know. And you literally could.

And this is what I'm saying. No. Okay, Ferris, holding you to it. So much accountability. Truly, you will never hear the end of it from me if you don't. But this was so much fun. Thank you so much, Ferris. Thank you to everyone behind the scenes.

Thank you to our listeners. And oh, next week, I forgot to say. Next week, B&B collab with Mike and Liana. And that's what will be happening on Survivor Global. But thank you all for listening. And I will see you next week. Bye. Australia. One million pounds. Million.

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