RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor Global: Idols, Rocks and Rice-gate | S47 Ep 2 with Matthew Haywood

Episode Date: September 27, 2024

Survivor Global host Shannon Guss chats to Survivor UK's Matthew Haywood about episode 2 of Survivor 47, right before Matthew goes sky diving (!). They discuss the current state of Survivor UK, Matthew's future watch list, protecting rocks with idols, stealing rice, the decisions of the episode and a hot take Chissy point. 

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a Survivor Global recap. The winner, got to start with the winner, got to start with number one, the winner of the Chizzy and the season. It is a great Matthew Hayward. Matthew, thank you for being here. Yeah, thank you for having me. I'm really excited for this. I've got my Chizzy mug. Love it. Rob has a podcast,

so it's very on brand for me this morning. But yeah, I'm excited to just chat about about US Survivor and just really get into it. It's nice. It's nice watching other people

do it as well and being the guy on the podcast talking about it. Yeah. So you can criticize other people and you as well and being the guy on the podcast talking about it. Yeah. So you can criticize other people and you don't have to be like in the spotlight getting criticized. And for all the players who are upset that we're criticizing them the next season,

they can come criticize other people. It's a circle of criticism. And the best part about being just a podcaster who's never played is you were never in the heat of it. You just get to criticize. It's like the best place to be. But Matthew, how are are you last spoke to you at the beginning of the year you just won Survivor you spent the whole year having won Survivor what's life like for you now yeah it's it completely changed my life to be honest um not just the kind of whole experience and being on

just kind of the aftermath now I'm yeah I'm a changed person I think I'm so kind of out there now I'm like today I'm bungee jumping so in a few hours I'm on bungee jumping. You're doing bungee jumping today? Today in two and a half hours so I'm on bungee jumping. Wait so you're doing this podcast and then you're leaving and going bungee jumping? I should have done this podcast from the top of the cliff and just kind of finished by jumping. That would have been crazy from an audio perspective. That's crazy anyway. Like, you know what I did today? What have you done today?

Just this podcast. That's my day. Like I, it's pretty much the day. And you all got to combine with something. Get yourself off the cliff or something. No. So yeah, doing lots of like adventure stuff now and like lots of stuff on like social media.

So like TikTok, I'm really enjoying. I'm really pushing pushing myself on there i'm like spending the night on islands so my survivor instincts are still within me i'm still doing a lot of survivory type stuff so no i've had a great year since and yeah long may it continue that is crazy i'm so impressed i genuinely like my plan for today was like do some work clean up the apartment and do this because i didn't even get to cleaning up my apartment you are gonna go bungee jumping but to be fair in the uk it is morning at the minute so is it evening where you are yeah even more worse that i didn't get this that i was meant to you have you know what your day will bring a new day go to bed tomorrow's a new day, thank you for making the time for us, given that you were bungee jumping in mere hours from now.

Matthew, we were talking a little bit before we press record about your Survivor fandom. So for the people who didn't watch UK Firstly, how dare you? Go watch Math's amazing game. But also, so you weren't a fan, but you became a fan while playing, learnt the game very, very well, and have since been a fan. Can you tell the listeners, like, where is your Survivor fandom at the moment? Where do you sit with the Survivor of it all?

Yeah, so you're 100% right. Before I played the game, wasn't a Survivor fan, hadn't really seen any Survivor or anything like that. So I kind of went into the game, played it, which is a weird, it's weird to play it before you watch it. Played it, kind of adapted really well to it. And then when I finished, I it kind of adapted really well to it and then when I finished

I did kind of leave wanting more so that's kind of good so when I got home luckily Titans V Rebels aired in Australia so I got to watch that

which I loved and I thought that was such a great season like I don't have much to compare it to but it's a very good season

I feel like that's a top tier kind of entry level into watching Survivor. So I was really lucky with that. And they're all going to be that good. Like that's the top of the mountain. There are some at the bottom.

That's also a bit sad, like feeling like everything could be downhill. I mean, there's also other amazing seasons to be. There's a lot of incredible seasons, but Tidus v. Rebels is amongst the best. That's what we need. We need some people to send me the order that I seasons to be. There's a lot of incredible seasons, but Tidus v. Rebels is amongst the best.

That's what we need. We need some people to send me the order that I need to be watching Survivor. Perfect. We'll do this, Shannon. When will you do it? Between bungee jumping and when will you find... I'll send you...

Travelling on a train. I've got my phone out. Streams. We'll be good. This is great because I'm doing it for Ferris too. I should start a business. It's just for Survivor winners who haven't seen at least one of the franchises if not all the franchises and i tell them exactly what to watch after they win it's a niche market but i've got

two people in it already and they have capital to spend right so you can pay me for my services absolutely no but um i'm really enjoying kind of watching other like like the other countries like because my first experience was uk so it's nice to see australia and then the us version as well is just uh a mammoth of a of a franchise so i'm kind of starting now on season 47 which again is a bit different like starting at season 47 but I'm excited I think this is the first two episodes I've really enjoyed and yeah I'm hooked how do you feel like Jeff compares to Jonathan and Joel I think Jeff is very like to the point and you can tell he's the boss you know what I mean he leads like that he leads it and you can tell he's got power he's in control

yeah Joel was just making puns Joel was just one of the kids one of the things I really love the puns I was honestly when we were doing a challenge with Joel his humor's really the same as mine so I was really bad at puzzles so he would like be making jokes about the puzzles and because I just couldn't do the puzzle I was just like laughing with Joe like I kind of like the puns I love the puns yeah yeah it's good it's different as well it's different if you're so used to all the seriousness it sometimes can be nice to change it up but I know some people maybe maybe didn't like it but that's life you know no those people were wrong speaking of like the rumors at UK i mean there's no uk season on the horizon do you have any feelings around you know where uk is at you know there's big stuff happening

in global survivor but they haven't reported any uk people in australia versus the world what a bit of a lull for uk survivor after what i loved love the post-merchant love the whole season of uk survivor so how are you kind of feeling as like the now kind of only winner which is nice you know no one can come to take the title from you you will always hold that mantle but how are you feeling about that yeah well you could look at it like that i'm the i'm the only winner of survivor uk and you did so well that they couldn't they couldn't top it like they just couldn't beat it so now it's just yeah that's why that's maybe why that's yeah that's what i'm going to start telling people from now on because everyone's asking me

all my friends and that are saying when's the next season coming and I'm like oh well it's not coming yet I'm saying it's not coming yet I'm saying it will come eventually

I do think maybe they might have this year off I don't know maybe next year year after but it's a working concept and I feel like it will come back I feel like the team who've done it

absolutely amazing like we had a lot of the team as well come from Australian Survivor a few of the like producers and stuff like that so they know

Survivor like I have all faith in them but yeah I kind of like being the only UK winner it's a good title like no one can take it away from

me and yeah it's exciting but I want to see it come back because I feel like I don't know it's our franchise it's good I love watching the other ones but kind of like watching the UK ones like it's exciting, but I want to see it come back because I feel like, I don't know, it's our franchise. It's good. I love watching the other ones, but kind of like watching the UK ones,

like it's where it started for me. So I hope it comes back. But it's disappointing as well. We couldn't have got some people in the Australian versus the world. Yeah. You. Yeah, me. I would have been, honestly, I'd have been on that plane, ready to play.

But there's always more chances. I'm ready to go again whenever, to be honest. Like, I loved it. I'm ready to go again, but maybe... But I'm ready to, like, adapt my game a bit. I'm ready to go in from different angles. I've been thinking. Because I think you can't play the same every time.

You could. You need multiple routes to the end. No, no. Your game's exactly, you made friends, everyone liked you, and then you use that to make the right decisions, and then you won. You could do that every time. You'd have to shift it to the situation.

I wouldn't change your game. Maybe the whole concept. Yeah. Like the blueprint kind of thing could work, but then adapt certain things. I feel like playing a game would be crazy. I don't know. Fair play to anyone

that's played it twice. I feel like there is a lot of thought that has to go into it. Do I change my game? Do I keep it the same? Do people know me from this? Do people expect this?

It is a big juggling act really but it'd be interesting. I'm ready to go whenever. Yeah. What do you think is the most someone has played? Is it

Siri? Siri? Well, she's not the most someone has played is it siri siri well she's not she was out there for there's been someone who's been out who's been out there six times and one was as a mentor boston rob has been has played five times off the top of my head so yeah there's a lot in the four five then you get to australian survivor starts adding that to the record then we're very much siri i mean siri you've got to watch her seasons but yeah she's played multiple times us now australia and then she was on the traders and she was on yeah so if you start adding to that they should put you on the traders though would you play the traders honestly australian traders i've seen that they have a few um so i've watched all the trades the uk the american and the and the Australian so what I think is

with the Australian they do sometimes so Luke has been on the Australian one yeah so I found that really interesting because I think why not a British Survivor winner it fits with the whole fandom of Survivor Australia in Australia get me in British I think I'd do well on the traitors you know I think I just kind of quite similar to myaders you know I think I'd just kind of quite similar to my Survivor game in a way of just kind of getting with the people that I like be everyone's number one type thing

just kind of control the game it'd be good no I'd definitely do it that's what I love about your game in the deep dive you were like you know it's like yeah if you just play flawlessly socially then you can kind of do what you want and I think your deep dive showed that you could do that on the traders the u.s traders has like at least a survivor player every season yes i think yeah so like i watched siri i watched poverty and then sandra as well so that's why you know the legends from

the traders which is so funny yeah to be fair yeah that's quite embarrassing to me I know the legends more from the traitors but I think you'll learn them well I kind of love the whole do you know what that like the icon status they get from it really like everyone's like oh my god there's um poverty from survivor she's is she the black widow or something like that because I will be watching it but yeah i do like the fact that there's kind of this whole survivor icon i do like that i love it yeah well hopefully you get to play something i mean i'm gonna uk can borrow my south africa tagline when not if i love the the producers that i spoke to on the podcast last year and i felt like uk was in such good

hands so hopefully it comes back and if it doesn't hopefully you get to play some sort of global survivor season and if that doesn't happen at least the traders someone in production for UK traders listening because UK freaking loves their traders so you're going to be on the traders at least now we'll get that sorted we'll put it out there yeah 100% okay well let's talk about uh I was going to say Australian survivor but that's not right um survivor 47 US.s you know this is your first u.s survivor season so how do you feel about it it's different you know we started uk slow then you watched australian survivor which is a lot in kind of a different way that's 24 people two tribes big themes people sometimes come back from the dead a lot going on there and then u.s new era

kind of its own brand of like frenetic, modern, you know, gameplay. So how do you kind of feel about these first two episodes who's standing out to you? What are your gut feelings? Yeah, so I'm really enjoying it. Like you were saying, it's different. I'm watching like UK, Australia, America, but that's what I like.

I think it's good to kind of, it is a bit refreshing for me as kind of a newer Survivor fan to be seeing, like basically it's good to kind of, it is a bit refreshing for me as kind of a newer Survivor fan to be seeing, like, it's different to the Australian one. So they're all different. But I think, first of all, I love the cast. I think they've got a bit of everything. And do you want to know my initial people that I kind of, I like from day one?

So Rachel, I'm a big fan of Rachel. I think she's got a bit got a bit of everything really I just think she's in the know she's smart she's funny like we'll probably talk about

Ricegate later on like like little trickery I like that and I think she's quite well positioned and

and I think she'll do well in the game but I also like Andy Rome I just think the chaos is there and it's entertaining. As a viewer, it's entertaining. To be on the beach with them, I think it would be a bit like, you need a breather.

But no, I'm really enjoying it. And I think there is a bit of everything for now. A bit like crazy dynamics, like random decisions. I think it's all really exciting. What did you think about rice gate about how jeff handled that because that got a lot of attention on social media that she tried to steal the rice which was i thought genius um did you feel like she should have been allowed to do that like how do you feel about how they handled that right so i think you're marooned on a desert island

and you have to forage for food however you find that food it's it's you can do what you want like if you're on a desert island and you're seeing a plate full of rice in the corner you're not going to leave it are you're going to take it so i think it's good initiative she she went out of her way what's a handful of rice i think she should have should have been allowed to take it i think it takes the fun away like let people have fun you know like i feel like that can be little things like that are exciting but we had a similar type situation sometimes you go to like a reward challenge and they'd be like bulbs of garlic maybe hanging off the wall like if it's a big food challenge there'd be like extra little bits of like fruit and stuff and i think some people were wanting to take stuff but i think we had the same kind of um

we like the producers weren't happy with that as well so it must be across the board in survivor you're not allowed to take anything that's not that's not given to you well we we spoke about this recently in like the defining moments podcast that i did on the off season of global survivor we talked about a survivor south africa season where like the biggest thing was they kept stealing things like from the auction they took stuff back in their pockets or from reward and it's kind of I feel like taking stuff back from the reward is like almost like you're not allowed but it's like an unwritten rule that you kind of can you might take something in your pockets and like that's been like a feature through the show

and it's interesting because it's like oh you chose to bring me back nothing or like who do you share it with and like there's some intrigue there even though you're like not technically allowed to do that. Rachel did say she's a fan of Survivor South Africa, and that was a big hallmark of that season of Survivor South Africa. So I thought that clearly the synergy was there for her. I think this should have been a similar thing. It's like, you're not allowed to take anything from a ward, but people do.

You know, and then it's interesting how they go with it. Because I think that stifling it, you know, it cut off some interesting things. Rachel made an interesting choice. Jeff shutting it down was interesting but anything that he did wasn't going to be interesting because she made the interesting choice and then it's kind of like you know the show should be like improv yes and you know if a player makes an interesting fun you know inventive decision let's see where it goes Rachel might have taken it back maybe does she share with everyone does she share with just Annika does she leave Andy you know do people hear about it oh we had rice in the pre-merge and then now Rachel's a threat I mean he threw her under the bus just did that's exactly what I was

gonna say yeah but I mean I guess she kind of I guess deserved it if she did something against the rules and that I guess is fine um if she's gonna take that risk but I think more what would have been more interesting is like, let the players play. She did the sneaky thing, like wink, wink, not like nudge, nudge. Let's see what happened there. And then maybe she makes some interesting decisions around it. Maybe plays out in really, really fun, playful ways.

Like I wouldn't stop something from a production standpoint. I'd be like, yes. And what are you going to do with that? And I think we could have got some really interesting, fun, playful things. Even just them sitting around eating the rice would have been hilarious to watch so I don't think that they should have kind of cut off the creative possibilities when someone's making an interesting decision like that yeah I completely agree and I think yeah just see where it goes

who does she share it with also that's really exciting well like calling out publicly she hasn't tried to like majorly cheat or anything i don't know i just think it's maybe that calling out publicly has more maybe of a negative effect to her game than it will have positive yeah you know what i mean so i think it's a bit for what she's done she doesn't deserve to be called out publicly maybe when they're going back to camp they just say can we have the rice yeah 100 but the thing is that she made that decision so that was the risk that she took and they are i guess if she's breaking the rules they are within their right to call her out but yeah that's an extreme much worse than losing the rights it's an extreme thing to have to be

called out like that because that's all anyone knows about her so now the other tribes are all talking oh that girl who took the rice and that's like her reputation which is again a decision that she made against the rules but also very unfortunate and i just think like a worse production decision i'd so much rather it slips out that she stole it at a merge and now oh you had an unfair advantage like you know there's some risk to it it's a decision to make it clearly was like a big bold interesting thing to do let's just see how it plays out but i think jeff kind of like put his foot in the sand and the thing is they all had the opportunity to take the rides you know like she just thought to do it that's fun like let's see where it goes then leads to again she's thinking out the box she's the one like so

it could be an advantage but i think the matter um the challenge maps are bringing a lot of drama to this series already in in two episodes i think we've had breakdowns we've had like calling people out we've had rice gate I think it's all going on in there at the challenge match which I think is exciting and people are openly like they're not scared to like you look at like Andy and TK they're not people aren't scared to say stuff in front of all the tribes which for me why would you why would you want to tell other people kind of where you're at what's happening realistically like cutting your like cutting your losses but you know what i mean well yeah given how it's gone for andy and tk possibly they should have been scared um i think it's great because we

see really interesting mat stuff in australian survival often the mat is like a big feature jonathan will ask like very honest questions in the u.s i find that i've often said like they could be doing more with the mat but like andy and TK have really taken it into their own hands, you know, ask answer questions. No one was asking about where they sit or how they feel. And that's really put people off. And that's been very entertaining. And definitely like the post challenge mat has been not you, Matt, but the mat has been, yeah, not you. The other mat,

the one they stand on has been like, you know, the 19th man of the season by far, like, you know, two of the most interesting things to come out of each episode and yeah i love this episode i thought there was a lot going on a lot to talk about and i'd love to kind of start at tuku where this decision was made um tiana you know she's kind of a swing vote of sorts here um at least to take it from possibly a 3-3 in the UK was it rocks if you tied would you have gone to rocks or is that something yes we would have no that was that was known to us that it was so we got like said like all the all the rules you know what I mean so that was in that yeah that's good so what did you think about her decision like obviously she has chosen to go

with a three she doesn't know she's not she's like a clear fourth there if that you know she thinks there's a girl thing and i want to talk about that she goes away from a three that she's genuinely in but where she doesn't like one of the two allies she's made how did you kind of feel about her choice here yeah so at the start it showed tiana saying that she doesn't want to be kind of like the spare four to that three and now she's four yeah so it's kind of it's hard to watch and i do feel i feel for in a way because it was very hard for her to maybe win in that situation where she ended up just kind of being this despair but the fact rocks were mentioned on episode two is kind of crazy like the that Sue, for what we've seen in the edit,

Sue seemed really like, well, if it goes to rocks, we'll do it. And I'm like, God, but then maybe rocks can be sometimes good at the start of a game. I don't know, maybe it can be good, I think, if you're at the bottom,

you might accept rocks. But I don't think Sue really was. But yeah, you might accept rocks. But I don't think Sue really was. No. But yeah, with Kiana's decision, I think she didn't want to... Like, Gabe's quite erratic and kind of making all these decisions. Everyone's aware of that. But she doesn't know Gabe's relationship with Sue and Caroline. So she's maybe in the dark a little bit

with all that but I think ultimately she maybe made the right decision and coming back from that decision I think she needs to get talking to Caroline and Sue and try to and try to get involved with them a bit more well that's my concern is that she's not involved with them and they're not even trying to work with her because they want to like they're jumping on her dislike of tk for their own gauge they're not even like no i really like tiana we want to work with tiana like i think she's expendable to them so when i look at tiana's decision it's like i have to look at what she thinks is happening and then the reality of the situation and the fact that those are so divorced from each other is

incredibly concerning for me for Tiana's you know approach to the game or where she fits in the game or her position because in her mind like you could tell even when she was talking it through before tribal council in the confessional it's very much like a physical versus a social decision like socially okay I'll be with the girls I'm still top three with the girls we probably have Gabe that I can then bring over as a fourth like maybe we're going to three three with the girls which actually was the Gabe that I can then bring over as a fourth. Like maybe we're going to three, three with the girls, which actually was the opposite of what it was. But then maybe I can bring Gabe over.

So there's no threat of rocks or they're bringing Gabe over. They probably said like, Oh, if you can do it, you know, we'll bring over Gabe as a fourth. Cause he's kind of been between it. She could even use the information. You're not even really with the guy. She doesn't know she's, you know, it would be bringing Gabe into something he's already in well before her.

So she's thinking that's like the social thing, but then physically we're cutting off TK so in that world like it's unfortunate that she's like dooming Kyle who she connects with really well but she'd be thinking she's trading one ally for two at least you know in Caroline and Sue that's the choice that she's making so she can make like a really social decision over like the physicality of the tribe because they're quite a strong tribe anyway and in that way that makes sense but that's not the decision like she's so far out of understanding the dynamic so I'm critical kind of on the read and then I'm critical on where she's at socially where she's in a tribe of six people where she seems to have just connected with Kyle like she doesn't like TK she's not

working in tandem with Gabe he hasn't focused on her even the women that she thinks she's with and Sue and Caroline do not seem to be prioritizing her i think that a lot would have to change to get her to kind of leapfrog gabe or something to be with them like she's not so in the world of like the real world of the decision she's making as you said she wanted so badly not to be a fourth and we know she jumped over to a type three and doesn't even know that they're a type three um i do think you know well we can talk it through but yeah i do think that both options are bad. But I don't think that she's in a good spot.

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Air Transat. Travel moves us. Yeah, 100%. I feel like watching it, there is no good... There was no option where she comes out in a good position, really. Like, if she voted the other way, it would have been bad.

She went for TK, which, to be fair, I do think is the better decision, maybe. Because she said she doesn't like TK. She said she doesn't vibe with TK. She doesn't vibe with anyone. But she's willing to work with him. But she said she's willing to work with him, which I did like. I did like it when she said she doesn't like tk but she said she doesn't vibe with tk but she's willing to work with him but she said she's willing to work with him which i did like i did like it when she said that because i think that is important in survivor to kind of like

kick the kind of okay i don't i don't necessarily like this person i wouldn't connect with them on the outside but i can work with them which i think is good but she didn't work with him so like yeah i don't know she's not helping herself there, really. Well, I mean, look, he interrupted her nap. I get it. Why do you think I hate leaf blowers so much? They're always interrupting my naps. So I get it. And I was excited to see that after years of sleep shaming,

which Survivor does all the time, anyone who sleeps is bad. Anyone who hustles is good at nighttime, never sleep. Finally, it was like, TK, two unforgivable crimes. Interrupted the nap, unforgivable. Secondly, then was like, I wish I could sleep in all day. What do you mean? You're all on Survivor. I wish I could sleep in all day.

You were just chatting to Kyle. You could have been asleep. He sleep shamed them as well. Unforgivable. So for that, he suffered. And as someone who loves sleep, I like that part of it, even though TK seemed great. But yeah, I've lost my train of thought

because I got so mad about the sleep thing. What was it? but okay so back to tiana's decision she's not vibing with tk it's like almost a moot point my main thing about the reality of the situation which is a read she doesn't have so it's a hard decision to make but like bird's eye view of what she's doing there's one side where she's with tk who she said she'd work with and doesn't really like but like this is the bed you've made you're in with Kyle you don't have other allies like that's your three and on the other side she's slipping to being in a four so for me I'd never go to rocks you know episode two you might be shocked to hear Matt that one time they actually did um but I wouldn't go to rocks

in episode two um so in a world where they could pull caroline over you know even at a three three or like if they felt like they could pull her over like i would do that i just work with tk i have kyle i'd be in the three that would be the best thing to do but the worst case scenario would be to go to rocks not be able to pull over caroline you know vote for sue and then feel like it's a three three and you have to flip so now you're like fully on the out of the other group like I think that's the worst case scenario so between like the good thing of like maybe we could pull over Caroline and be in this three or the worst thing if we can't pull over Caroline now we're going to rocks when Gabe is the most likely to have an idol and you could have you know your side has a two to one chance of going in rocks let alone you could go

um that to me is the worst so like the safer option in the middle of just like going over to split basically a tie to be the fourth is better i think than a possible tie but that's still very bad you know like those two options are bad and then like the main thing i'm critical of is that who are her allies like she spent the last five days connecting with just just kyle it seems and that's why the options are bad because you have no capital to spend because you have one social option and that is my main concern yeah true and it's kind of the irony that she said at the start of the episode that um she didn't want to be the spare four to kind of the boys three and now she's kind of without tk and now she's the spare four yeah to

whatever we call the caroline sue gabe three so yeah but even worse than that because kyle who's your only alliance is now doomed to be fit or even worse they like kyle so much and even though she's athletic he's so much the provider that you're next and i do think that's a distinct possibility and you are technically now in a weaker tribe who might lose more energy challenges. So like she could be gone next. And Gabe, like you said, Gabe, Sue and Caroline will be speaking to Kyle now

and they'll be trying to maybe use his vote and stuff. So then, yeah, Tiana's maybe put herself on the bottom of the tribe. But like you said, three, if it was 3-3 and it did go to rocks, that would have been the worst, worst case scenario. So she's kind of found it's still bad

it's still bad but it's not as bad as rocks it can't be rocks but you said it's happened before rocks has happened oh rocks has happened a few times but it actually even happened in episode two

yeah yeah yeah the insanity is usually in Survivor South Africa where I can point you if you want the chaos of that just taking like taking complete luck into it.

It was crazy. Episode two is mental. Yeah, I think that's what it is. It's like she's put herself possibly on the bottom of the tribe, but that's better than going to rocks in episode two. And those are both like horrendous options. Like those are both terrible. So yeah.

So that's my, my criticism of, of Tiana. As I said, it's great to be the criticizer right next season tiana can criticize other people i don't feel like gabe as you said gabe's a bit of a wild card he's playing big he played the idol on himself he extended it to the three tribal councils and he used it on himself here what were your thoughts on how gabe is playing so i think we've seen a lot of um we've seen a lot of content of Gabe with the beware idol

beware advantage and he was should I use it get it for one tribal council three tribal council or should I get it for the full the full game

but he we went through we watched him go through all this stress to then use it in the first you know what I mean like

to use it himself in the first tribal council so it was quite ironic to be know what I mean? Like, to use it on himself in the first tribal council. So, it was quite ironic to be honest. But, I like Gabe. I like Gabe.

I think instantly I liked it when he, in episode one, when he was like, I want to work with Sue, maybe someone older in the tribe. I think he knows

that Sue might be well liked going into the game and kind of in a good position. But he'd done the right thing. That kind of, him getting in there early with game and kind of in a good position, but he done the right thing. That kind of, him getting in there early with Sue really kind of helped that both in a tribal council

and really kind of solidified him into that. And then him being, him having the idol, showing it to Caroline, and then gaining Caroline's trust kind of, and then getting himself in with Sue. I think he's done really well. But I like him, he's chaotic. Like he nearly got himself into a bit of a pickle with TK when he's done really well but I like him he's chaotic like he nearly got himself

into a bit of a pickle with TK when he was pulling the vine down people are like telling the worst lies ever like he was saying that he's just found a key before he found the advantage

and I was thinking no TK knew that he was lying to him and then I don't know I think it's all chaotic but I'm here for it How triggered are you

by keys and locks and like trap style boxes we're in we're in episode two and it has been heavily key and lock based which obviously for me

I even like when I was watching it last night two nights ago the episode I was thinking this is just me like making me really leave Lobstergate

all over again like the lobster trap I think it's episode two and well what Gabe done no not Gabe um Andy Andy basically had his lobster trap moment what he left the advantage in the tree I'll come back to it at night and then it got stole and taken by someone else so think, I know how Andy feels with that one, but yeah, I'm still a little bit PTSD with the keys. You did go on to win. I think if Andy recovers and goes on to win, I think he'd be okay. So I think you can be okay.

Honestly, if Andy goes on to win this entire game, I will take my hat off. I'm here for it. I think it would take some incredible like huge Andy act but but that would be amazing that would be fantastic tv yeah we're on the up with andy we'll talk about his decisions but yeah beware that wasn't great but he made an ally who didn't go home so better episode than

last week he didn't say anything on the mat that we saw so that was a positive um yeah i wanted so in terms of of gabe there's a few things i mean gabe i think gabe and sue and caroline have done very well firstly to have like this three now that's at the top and win the vote and i think that sue was amazing like sue sue really got tiana in gabe was gabe was also pushing like make sure she doesn't know our dynamic. And I think Sue did really well with that, brought Tiana in. I think they can both kind of speak very well to that. You know, Caroline was a bit too cagey with Gabe for me at first,

but I think Gabe responded really well and brought Caroline in. You know, we've seen in the past, like, you know, players like Penna or, you know, Emily from 45, you know, just a little bit too, say no in Penna's case, or, you know, are too blunt. And she was, she said pre-season she'd be blunt and she was. I don't think you should say to someone's face, like, we're not there yet. It's not clicking.

Like, never say that to anyone. It made me cringe, kind of. Like, when Caroline said that, I don't know, just even if you don't, like, even if you don't, like, someone tell them that you love them, you know what I mean? Like, give them that confidence. And I think, luckily, it kind of slightly got pulled around from

caroline she kind of come out of it okay but i think just to watch what she's saying to people's faces at least you know i mean yeah so watch what you say to people that's a good rule from a survivor winner you know people can take that like say anything to maybe behind the back to the faces it's a bit it can be risky yeah you can say what you want to them that you don't have to be honest i like i think it went well because gabe brought it back he used the idol very well to bring caroline back i was very impressed by that um he could have just been like i'm out you know i think that she didn't have control over that going well that was all gabe but i do credit her relationship with sue

like they seem even closer to each other than they are to Gabe because they both told each other about the idol information so like the three of them I think are all doing very well socially and I think Gabe used the idol very well to get that alliance which is the idol's now gone but he used it like for Sue and Caroline which I'm very high on I think the thing there's a couple of things that concern me with Gabe other than that but I do think that was very good the first like I'll talk about the first one first and then we can talk about the idol but yeah in the rewatch especially like yeah the way he's talking like you know they're his baby birds and like if he goes to the end with them like he'll definitely win I'm like why I don't like the way he's looking at that why would Sue not win Sue's done excellently I think Sue's

been up there as the best player of the season so far she's very impressive caroline could be very impressive like i just don't understand that approach and he said he wanted to play like russell hans which is you know a player i'm sure you'll come to learn in the chart that i'm going to give you and like yeah russell you know he had alliances of women he called like dumbass girls i'm not putting that on gabe i'm just saying that he underestimated people and much you know not to spoil but often that was a big mistake and so i wonder if gabe is you know if he wants to play like russell is doing that a little bit because you don't have allies where it's like i'll just drag them and then beat them

like you actually aren't dragging them like they're doing a lot he's doing so much yeah i feel like as well. You'll start to maybe get a bit more confidence as it goes on and then you'll start not watching the situation properly and you'll just be thinking, well, I'm carrying Sue and Caroline, where realistically, like you said, he isn't. And then when you're blind to that, it's dangerous for your game

because all of a sudden they'll say, see you later to Gabe. And they'll show that they're one step ahead of him yeah you don't underestimate your allies so I think that's that's a major one for me what did you think about Gabe playing the idol on himself now I didn't think he was going to play it on himself in the when he said yeah I'm going to play it and you're going to play for yourself yourself, I didn't actually think he was going to, but maybe he was just kind of, like, first tribal council he'd been to, feeling a bit worried with the whole talk about rocks

and just solidifying himself through. But yeah, maybe he was going to play it for Sue? Yeah, I thought he would. I mean, I would have played it on Sue, I felt. But I thought he would and then that kind of would have solidified that relationship. But also, it may be good

that he never, because I think that their three is kind of a bit under the radar at the minute. But they did just vote together, so they were under the radar, but now he's in for a penny at that point yeah maybe but then he also i feel like he's chatted with sue of being very like right me and you sue it's kind of maybe an unlikely partnership and it's a lot stronger

than maybe kyle and that no but like you said they voted together now so we'll have to see how that kind of that is that's a really good point because just because you vote together doesn't mean that they would know that they're like ride or die like i'll play an idol on you um because yeah exactly there's levels to that and you could probably like obfuscate how close you are and tk said in the exits he'd never even seen sue and gabe talk you know they'd like cemented something while he was out on the journey and then like clearly kept that from people which which I also think is very impressive. So there's something to be said about hiding that. But I think for where they were at, I still would have played it on Sue. Like, I think you've got a big brain, these things, but then you keep coming back to Occam's Rays

and like, just do the simple thing. Because in terms of like playing it on Sue or himself or not at all, I feel like, you know, getting the heat off himself when he's like the idol searcher and TK found him with the key isn't terrible. you're gonna do that I would play it on Sue like he's in a really good position of being the mole himself so he knows almost definitely that Sue is the target and if Tiana isn't with him then that's going to protect against a very important like three three like that will be completely crucial um you know if so if that sue isn't the the target then okay maybe i want to protect myself you know i think tk was really trying to get him to flush the idol and being like very antisocial that way and making me really paranoid but like you know your three are on tk so you know you at least have a three if they're all wrong

if they're all lying to you and they're on you then you probably have a three three you'd be protected from rocks like they'd have to pull over caroline in in the um the rock draw at that point you're probably okay you know i think that that overly paranoid. He knows that it's going to be Sue for almost definitely. He knows the kind of player that TK is. Who's so physical. Who's so clearly challenged base. Who's going to want someone like Sue to go home. I think like that's the clear thing to, to protect Sue over himself. And if he's protecting himself,

it's due to misplaced paranoia where TK got in his head and that was the wrong thing to do. I also think that there's been talk on Twitter about the idea of like protecting yourself or protecting your side in a rock draw so that he wouldn't have to pull a rock if he's protected. And I do think that that is a good thing to do if you don't know who the target is. So if it's like, we're going to be three three and they're going to vote for one of us,

then yeah, I would protect myself. I might be the target. So that solves that. And even if I'm who the target is so if it's like we're going to be three three and they're going to vote for one of us then yeah i would protect myself i might be the target so that solves that and even if i'm not the target i'm not picking a rock and my side is picking one fewer rock so we're you know a 33 only instead of a 50 chance of our side losing but knowing that it was so almost definitely sue then protecting her will protect you from the rock draw because you're going to win out right it's never going to go to a three three you'll get three zero and to protect yourself from the rock draw means that the target would have to be caroline again they're lying to you they're saying you vote sue we're also going to vote sue four to two but actually they're doing three on caroline

thinking it'll be like three on caroline here's one on sue and maybe like two on tk and like three two one it's all very big brain. So at the point where to protect yourself from a rock draw, they'd have to be, Tiana's firstly not with you. They have to be lying about their target to three, two, one you to vote actually Caroline. Then you have to pick

the bad one of three rock. None of this is going to happen. So you're protecting against... It seems like it would have taken a lot. it would have taken a lot. It would have taken a lot for him to have incorrectly played Idol for himself.

I feel like Yeah. The danger wasn't really great. The situation was never going to happen, really. But obviously he didn't know that, but like, he didn't need to play Idol for himself.

He should have known that. It feels like a waste, but then, but then he's a waste because he, he maybe wanted to protect himself but yeah not playing that idol

for himself especially because he had to do so much to get the idol it did feel like a little bit of a waste of an idol playing it on himself that's what when he said he was

he was playing it on himself I was a bit like you know what I mean just for the game well I think for me as an overthinker I'm like like this could happen

like Tiana's not with you and then they could vote for Caroline then you're picking Riley even for me as like an anxious overthinker I'm like all of this could happen. Like Tiana's not with you and then they could vote for Caroline. Then you're picking her up. Like even for me as like an anxious overthinker, I'm like, all of that stuff is very unlikely. Like if Gabe went home because he played the idol on Sue and then they actually had changed their vote to Caroline

and now he's picking a rock and he picked the rock instead of protecting himself. Like no one would begrudge Gabe. That would be a crazy way to go home on the second travel council on a rock draw because you played that on Sue assuming that she was the target when she almost definitely would be the target you know like i think that that stuff is not going to happen and even like they're more voting for you

it's very unlikely whereas the simple thing is they're voting for sue and then the only thing that's going to go wrong at that point is tiana's not with you and now you could genuinely be in a three three where um yeah like now car Caroline's picking a rock or they pull over Caroline so like you are 100% safe but your side is wrong you played the idol on yourself Sue now actually gets three votes you have negated and now you have one of your members going up against two in a rock draw they pull her over she seemed risk averse so like that's a genuine concern so I think for me I like given that it's good to like you know get the heat off I think first case I would do best case scenario play the idol on sue because I think it was like

a genuine risk second even if like again it didn't pan out they got the four votes I still think it's the right move second I would keep the idol and third I would have played it on myself um I think as well you know the threat level I think is a concern and I think you made a great point but i also think this looks self-interested there's another way to look at it whereas like playing on sue it shows it's threatening but it's threatening because you've really connected like that could be a a real relationship that goes through the game in a very significant way and if you want to look like you're dragging her like this is where we start where you're already protecting her so i think there's a lot to gain playing it on sue or at least or being like oh we're probably fine with tiana i'll

do nothing then third like he so so unlikely needed it for himself so at that point i think it was kind of a waste but that would have been i do feel like it was a waste i love the fact that you're saying about kind of if he wants to feel like he's dragging sue play the idol for sue that instantly gets you a little box like a tick box in that yeah it to feel like he's dragging Sue play the idol for Sue that instantly gets you a little box like a tick box in that yeah it does feel like a waste

of an idol ultimately I think kind of my general concept is waste of an idol for himself yeah I don't know if it made any sense

with my 3-2-1 on Caroline and all I put it in a tweet and I don't know if the tweet made any sense it's hard in just a short amount of characters

but I hope it made sense basically the odds of them turning on Gabe low the odds of them turning on Gabe low, the odds of them turning on Caroline to the point where he'd need to protect himself in a rock draw low, the odds of them voting for Sue, almost definite, you know?

So you know the target, you're lucky enough to be the mole. It's actually a perfect position for you to just use it on the target you're aware of as their presumptive force. So those are my kind of concerns with Gabe, but I do think that he did well. Someone who didn't do so well as TK, who really played himself out of the game in the space of one episode you know you've mentioned the word irony a lot in this and I think it's true Tuca were a very ironic

tribe there's a lot going on about people saying something and then it kind of coming up against him in a different way I mean yeah for TK he spent the entire episode talking about like connections and how Gabe wasn't making the right connections and it's just like everyone was so done with him and then he went home where did you see the major mistakes for TK here so yeah I didn't mention irony a lot I think he wants to be the the boss the leader I think he got a lot of confidence TK is the the wrong person that you want to win that individual challenge at the start to win that individual challenge at the start to win the

so he went away and won the challenge episode one I think that has got his ego right up there he thinks he's kind of

leader of the tribe because of that and he's got that character anyway of kind of sports player does it like he's strong

he's fit so yeah I think maybe he got quite comfortable after winning that challenge maybe he thought sports player, does it like, he's strong, he's fit. So yeah, I think maybe he got quite comfortable after winning that challenge. Maybe he thought that position gave him a bit higher in the tribe. But yeah, I think he thinks he can read people pretty well

and he had a full look on the situation. So I think he thought, he didn't know about Gabe and Sue and the Caroline Lions. So the lack of knowledge there kind of led him into his own vote. Well, I think that that's actually, that's kind of what it is. It's like he was trying to do a lot with very little. He didn't have a lot of the information

and he didn't have the social relationships. So he's trying to do everything. I thought his exit interviews actually made it worse because he had all these like grand plans about like he was also trying to like flush Gabe's idol in this like very anti-social way like really and maybe that worked actually but like to the point where he criticized him playing it on himself but like you know really trying to like put the heat on Gabe and have him play it and then he wanted Caroline to vote against Gabe and that was going to drive a wedge between them I'm like you

were trying to do a lot with not a lot and you don't have the relationships with these people like to tell Caroline what to do you know you're kind of disrespecting her agency and the fact that she has other relationships that you aren't involved in and it's not that everyone's just going to do what you say because you say it especially when you don't have those connections as a basis so I felt like it was a lot of like telling people what to do he kept saying my tribe he definitely wanted to be a leader um i don't think his rant on the mat was personal to tiana i think he was talking about smiling as a concept not like the fact that she was smiling but i also think that at that point it was so far gone like it was at that point like confirmation bias for her of all the other things he'd done wrong he had disturbed yeah her nap you don't get that nap back awful

that's a lost nap forever it is and and that ultimately ended his game in survivor which is which is which is mental but no i think yeah yeah good no no no sleep to be fair i was even on like my season you are actively thinking about the little things like when our fire was going out at night one night i got up to try and sort it and it was taking me ages to sort the fire and i was thinking it's night three if people see me not being able to get this fire going again how does that affect my social like will people think god get him out because of this so like sleep and how good you are at building fire all that does kind of play into the whole thing so it is refreshing to see to see them want and sleep but i like how they all slept together there was like oh pretty much everyone in the tribe lying there so nobody can

go off chatting everyone's there in the beach sleeping together which I like you talked a lot in your deep dive I think about the very active social work you were doing early on to make it to the point where everyone liked you like and then they would eventually vote for you to win and they also were very workable options for you and i think you spoke about this like in terms of like what you ate and all of that stuff right you were you were considering socially when you play yeah absolutely and i thought just before i even went to um to the beach i knew that this would be a huge factor especially in the uk we're very like we're very polite very kind of people like we we queue for everything though

just kind of as a general thing so me knowing that i thought right go in there i don't want to take seconds thirds like there were some people in canberra were very greedy with the food like in a way of always trying to take the extra the extra spoonful i thought i'm here for 35 days yes it's a long time but i'll just go with that little less food for 35 days and socially that'll help. And I think like I spent a few nights of, I spent a few nights hanging off the bed. I didn't have a place in the bed when I moved to La Nena.

I had one foot on the tree. I was hanging off. I wasn't fully on the bed, but I thought, let's not complain. Soon we'll be going to tribal council. We'll get rid of someone and I'll get a place in the bed. And I think them little decisions, you maybe don't see them as much on on the tv but then little active choices that you make can be huge i think going into just kind of upping your social

status because people yeah people don't like like greedy and and selfless but i didn't do it in a way where it's like oh look at me me, I'm not having any food. Who wants seconds? I'll give away my food. It was just very discreet, very to myself. That meant a lot. And kind of going off to the well and having my own private thoughts to myself. If you sometimes, you want, some people let it out and they snap at people.

I thought if I go to the well, sit here for 10, 15 minutes by myself and just breathe, I can go back into camp a new person if you ever feel a little bit aggy. So yeah, them little decisions were huge. What's that word? Aggie. I love that. Aggie. So that must be like a UK word. I think like where you're a little bit like sharp

and you know what I mean? Where someone's getting in there. I love that. I'm always aggy. Might be a bit aggy. Yeah. So like, especially when you're tired and hungry and like- People aren't letting you nap.

Yes. Yeah. not letting you nap can be one so no so i think taking the moment to yourself that's what i say to future like survivor players and little decisions were huge for me so i would love to hear some knowledge like some other people who've been on survivor and see if they made any of the same little micro decisions that end up but we're looking like we're looking back at them now thinking, what the hell am I getting? No, that's so important. And I think that that is so important. And you look at it like, you know,

you can see why TK goes in episode two, conversely to you winning, because it's like an opposite thing with your game. That's why I feel like everyone should watch it and listen to your deep dive about those really intentional decisions you were making. But it's like you build up that social capital, you make the relationship and then you get through and then you have the you had an embarrassment of social riches and you

could make the right moves to get to the end and get the votes you know it sounds and I know I go on about it too much probably it sounds simple but it's so hard to do um and that's I think essential to being able to play the game that you want where you have amassed tools in the game social tools at that point relationships and people who want to work with you um whereas with the tk i think it's the opposite he came in guns blazing trying to like really control everything you know be juggling even more than we saw which he talked about in the exit interview he's gonna flash that and get well i mean getting sue out wasn't a huge move but you know like lead everything he wanted get everything he wanted he's gonna turn people against each other while he's getting out the target he wants it's a lot and he had none of that social capital he had one person on the tribe much

like tiana who he really was working with in a positive way which was kyle like you can't make decisions and moves on one social relationship like that like it's just you you don't have enough social capital yeah true and i think like tk was very like just be patient sometimes I feel like saying to him be patient in a situation like that yeah it doesn't all have to be all guns blazing just like take a moment to yourself and think is this the right thing to be doing now why am I trying to control

everything and trying to be this like leader and huge figure in camp sometimes sitting back can be just as not sitting back but kind of being in the shadows a bit more and especially episode Sometimes sitting back can be just as, not sitting back, but kind of being in the shadows a bit more and letting,

especially episode one and two can be, can be huge for your game. Just like, just be patient. That's my kind of thing because it certainly wasn't.

Yeah. Like, bite your tongue as well. I feel like sometimes some things are best left not said. Like, don't say things, don't blow up your game.

Don't like, don't blow up your game. Don't like... Yeah, don't blow up your game. So it's frustrating to watch sometimes because I can really sit back and kind of not say stuff, even if I'm thinking it. I'm happy to think it, but it doesn't always need to be said.

Yeah. Do you put anything on Kyle? Because Kyle, who might be at the bottom of the tribe now, you know, he was trying to manage it socially. He was kind of like the opposite of TK, where he was making these relationships and he did seem very well liked and i don't know that i blame him for anything other than just like he got into bed an unsleepable

loud no napping bed with the wrong person in tk and that was just too hard to do like i don't think it was anything personal against kyle if anything like that was probably tiana's biggest sticking point of turning against tk but you put anything on Kyle now for the fact that he was left out of the vote he was blindsided like he's at the bottom or would he was did he just you know get him with the wrong person at the wrong time I think he just found an ally in TK and it was the wrong decision for him I think it's not the person that's going to really be great to go through the game with. I think for anyone, and sadly it was Kyle,

which will, who knows, probably lead to Kyle struggling now. Hopefully he can pull it back. He seems like a nice guy. I feel like he, he seems like the voice of reason.

He was, like you said, trying to reason in the situation and connect a few pieces of the puzzle. But no, I think he just got in with with tk which was not great for his game yeah kyle if anything like he might have the first part down in a different world where he's not working with the wrong person but he might get to have the

right part about you know just being a good provider and like having good social game but not have i don't know if he could turn that into kind of like the lethal strategic game when he needs to and i feel like the social part was good, actually. It just was with the, yeah, wrong person. And I like for now, I'll be interested if Kyle can like build it back and seem like useful maybe to the rest of the tribe and kind of leapfrog someone like Tiana

and then make it to Emerge. There's definitely an option there for that. Yeah. I think definitely if Kyle can go to sue and caroline now and and maybe pitch this whole like tiana and how we can work with them i think i think there's an option for that i don't think it's all over for kyle but it'll be interesting to see see what happens it actually is so exciting i think there's a lot to kind of there's so many options that it could go down even compared to gabe you know like if he stays and they win

some challenges or tiana goes before him and then they kind of work out that gabe is calling them like injured birds and like he's erratic like carl could leapfrog so because carl's like you know he's a sweet guy who probably won't stab you in the back he's a good ally to have he'd be kind of a waste of a of a vote early on especially because he is a provider and he is physical so i don't know maybe he has some some runway but speaking of you know you talked about kind of this like leadership approach and we can go to gotta and talk about um Sam especially and kind of what they're doing um because Sam has come in wanting to be you know more he came in wanting to be like more of a middle type of player like

he's obviously like a big leadership type presence like usually like the alpha male like physical presence especially on the tribe that he's on but he hasn't wanted to be that and I feel like I kind He's obviously like a big leadership type presence, like usually like the alpha male, like physical presence, especially on the tribe that he's on, but he hasn't wanted to be that. And I feel like I kind of already see that shifting. So we had everything with the idol in this episode and, you know, finding it with everyone. What do you, how do you feel about how Sam is doing? So instantly right away, episode one, I really like Sam.

I kind of see in a lot of what he was seeing at the start especially he reminded me of myself in a way of he was saying how you don't want to be like dispensable you want to be good enough good but not the best and i think that's kind of how i went in there as well you don't want to be the best at anything, but you want to be good enough to be needed around. And that's what I really like about his game. As well, we're like similar ages, 24, I'm 22. And yeah, I see a lot of that. But then obviously in episode two, we got a lot of,

he started to make his own decisions. I like what he was saying about the whole Andy situation. He was left to babysit Andy and he failed he left Andy when he went to the toilet which I think the first rule of babysitting is like don't leave the baby alone probably never leave the baby alone because the baby might find a beware advantage yeah that's a real one yeah very important I don't know I read a lot of the babysitter's club and that was a big big deal don't leave the baby alone because the baby might find a beware advantage they talked about it in the charter that they had it was a big thing chrissy tried to really push it to them but

he must have missed that book but i really like um how i like sam's thinking because when he ended up finding the advantage himself he was saying to Sierra that he wants, he maybe will be playing the idol on Andy, like that would be a decision, I kind of like that thinking, I kind of like this whole, like he knows that Andy's there to be used

in a way of, like he's a he, well he almost blew up his full game in episode one, maybe some people might underestimate that in a way of oh it's only andy andy's dispensable whatever but to use andy like to play his advantage on andy to use him i think would be very smart to use it to use him to keep him on side andy now trusts sam sam Sam trusts Andy. I think that could work. Yeah, I mean, I've got pros and cons on Sam as well.

Mostly pros. You know, I think that, like, picking up Andy is good. You know, being kind of like a Caleb-Emily dynamic that I was hoping, like, Rachel would do last week. It seems like he's done that. Obviously, Andy gives Sam the information about the beware advantage. So Sam has done done that well and I think that that is important so I think that's really good and I think that thinking about keeping Andy like he doesn't want to go to at worst like the

girls versus him or even at best the two pairs you know isn't amazing so thinking ahead to like using and keeping Andy for that has to be a good thing um he does he did very well with collaborating in terms of finding the idol i know he was kind of forced into it because he started with anika and then like kind of had to follow that through on like telling all the allies but he said maybe it would have been different we'll never know the way that it was forced you know was the way that i wanted people to use the beware advantages do it as like a team kind of game use it to kind of affirm and align so i thought that that was good my biggest complaint and i'd love to hear your opinion on this but

i wouldn't have taken the one tribal idol um i don't think it makes sense other than possibly just getting the heat off him which is interesting um and does speak to the kind of more middle approach that he wanted but isn't how he verbalized it he's like i'll save andy but he's saying that to sierra like if he and sierra and andy want to save andy like they won't need to play an idol they'll just vote like that's three of five you know so that's the majority so he won't need the idol um even if somehow andy wanted to work against him or sierra which he wouldn't because you know he scooped up andy but i guess if andy's a wild card, even so, there's going to be two votes on Andy.

You're going to do, say, two votes on Anika. And then Andy even votes for Sam. Like, on the re-vote between Andy and Anika, like, your two will win two to one. Like, they have the numbers. He's saying it to Sierra. Like, and he has Andy. Like, that's most of the tribe.

So he doesn't need the idol. Like, the thing that concerned me the most is how he's like you have to make big moves i'm like oh see i don't like that because the whole time he's been like i'm gonna be like michelle fitzgerald i'm gonna be what i'm gonna subvert your expectations like i'm the big leadership type guy you expect me to be like a tk or a gabe and really come in guns blaming blazing or a romeo and like be too much but actually what i want to do is like be collaborative and be social and not be the guy out in front. And I've really liked all of that. I didn't like how it was like, no,

actually I'm going to take the idol and then use it on the first tribal council where I don't even need it to make big moves. Cause in this game you have to make big moves. And I was like, I feel like that is kind of like the opposite. It's contradicting what you're saying. Yeah, exactly. I didn't love that. That was my biggest concern. What do you think? Have even taken the one or so i think he had enough because he found it with onika as well i think there is a chance to kind of it's not as if he's rushing around by himself yeah trying to kind of sort it i think he could have used onika and maybe got a like

three tribal councils maybe even a full the whole the whole idol like which I think would have been smart but I had it in my notes as well I had it was good that Sam says

about using the idol on Andy but bad that he said it to Donika or no Sierra it's bad that he said it like yeah

keep that to yourself you've got like you said you've already got that would be that would have been the three there if you were going to do that would have been the three there.

If you were going to do that, do that in a way where it's just you knowing about it. So, you know what I mean? If you were going to use that on Andy, use it, use it well

and use it powerful towards Andy. You don't need to try and create some sort of plan with Sierra when you've already got the numbers. Well,

I think that like, I was listening to the Know It Alls a little bit before this and Marianne was saying like, you know, you take the one some sort of plan with tiara when you've already got the numbers well i think that like i was listening to the know-it-alls a little bit before this and marianne was saying like you know you take the one the one tribal idol because he found with everyone and now that will reduce the threat level and that is the one reason you might do that but i do think that you know he's as you're saying like he he's working with everyone like last week i said like tell people use it to make allies he's been forced into that situation and now he can run around the beach because the majority of the tribe know that he's doing it he wouldn't even have to say like i've made this choice he could

just say i have even more things i need to do it's the most difficult idol to gain in like survivor history it has been really hard so i'm still just doing that he can do that with so much runway because he's been open about it because he's in that situation and get like a full idol that their group if they don't you know if they if they don't win if they don't lose as many challenges maybe they lose one right towards the end maybe they cut andy think we're going to go in you know as a four because i think what it matters like how many they win like he's having this conversation seemingly before another challenge if they think if they lose again then it is important to think okay we'll keep andy because we're going to keep losing challenges if we're the tribe that's going to lose

a lot of challenges then we'll keep andy because then we have you know like i think it matters like like how you're going forward of whether you're winning so as an example if you're the tribe that's going to be winning a lot of challenges then you can think to maybe cut andy at a point and go in with a really strong four possibly united by an idol into a merge and that's really really powerful if you're the tribe that looks like you're going to lose a lot of challenges then more important than having a strong four for the merge you have to know you're going to be safe if you lose a lot of challenges so at that point you might pivot if you've lost like say the second challenge and you might like cut um annika and then you know you can cut rachel and then you know you can cut rachel and

then you know you can cut andy and you know that you and sierra are fine even if you lose multiple challenges so i think about it matters when you go back to tribal council um so i do think that you know just having the idol for a long term for his group could end up being good if you're going to win challenges you could go on that yeah um i also think that um if you're going to um like i think that one of his concerns might have been if this was before the challenge which is when we saw it and i know it could be out of order but he could be concerned okay what if i try to take another you know the three tribe idol and try extend it and then i don't get the idol in time and we're going to tribal council tonight and we've lost a challenge and then I don't have my vote,

but then you still, to be fair, can cut Andy because at that point you don't have the numbers and Andy is dispensable. Even though that would be unfortunate, you can still cut Andy and then move forward with your four. And if you go back to tribal council, you're in a two, two, at that point, hopefully you found the idol. So you have that extra leverage, extra protection. And if you don't go back to tribal council hopefully your four can work through with this idol so i feel like he had the runway to extend the idol further and if he

lost his vote he could have parted with andy and if he gets his vote back then he can work you know with andy going forward and he can see when they're going to tribal council and he'd have like a ton of options either in the group or with andy or not and like in the hierarchy that he wants to create for himself based on how much how dire the tribal situation seems to be if any of that made sense so basically my point is i didn't get the point of doing it on the one tribal idol i saw a lot of benefit to extending it and i feel like the only benefit to keeping the one tribal one is that you look less threatening which maybe is good yeah the less certainly and yeah there was definitely time and they had the resources and time to get the full idol potentially which i think would have maybe worked out better

but like you said less of a threat he doesn't want to he said at the start of the game he doesn't want to kind of bring a lot of people yeah so so to be fair like he didn't know this was going to be a one tribal idol like he thought he was going to have a whole idol for the whole game you know and he'd made that decision and was okay with it um i mean he took beware in front of anika i think he would be a full idol anyway so he'd already made that decision i think you might as well follow that to its natural conclusion at that point no true yeah so he might yeah so he already thought that um that he was gonna have a full idol this is the first time they've ever been like choose if you want one or three or the whole thing see it brings interesting conversation i do like that side of things i think it's it leads to it can lead to someone

getting themselves in a massive mess like i like it i like the kind of options of of what it is but i think maybe the best kind of situation of it all would have been you know when andy found it initially imagine he got it and was like right sam andy needs to make these connections he doesn't really have anyone at the minute. Sam, I found this. Here you go. Do you want this? And if he maybe gave it to Sam, that would have maybe forged some sort of connection.

Sam, kind of at the end of the episode, was saying he trusts Andy a bit more now. And I just think, I think Sam maybe, Sam's there to be worked for. I feel like Sam can be swayed in a way of, he plays on vibes in a way. Like Andy was talking to him. He said he trusts him and then he doesn't.

There's a lot of, Sam can be worked with. And I think Andy could have given maybe the advantage and that would have, like Sam would have liked that. Well, I think, yeah, firstly, I really liked that they're doing the decision. Like it's very hard to get the idol. This has been a very difficult, they change it up usually in the season of what to do. And this has been hard.

Like, and I appreciate that because I think it's really lessening the power of the idol. Which again, Sam had the power to really go for, even within those difficulties. And that's why I think he should have done it. But I do appreciate them giving the decision because they've all been interesting decisions and decision making is fun on Survivor. And it's lessening the power of the idol. Jeff apparently said on the On Fire podcast that he doesn't like that they're taking the one episode one and that he wouldn't do it again i'm like no this is fun and great like this is making it more about like the decisions around it rather than

like the actual powerful trinket and i'm really enjoying that um but yeah i feel like for andy like andy has to take the beware advantage. Last week I said like always do the social thing with the majority, but the caveat, which it was for, I thought John last week, I thought should have played a shot in the dark is unless like you're too far gone. And Andy, I feel like, I feel like he should have taken it, found it, kept it. And maybe I like told Sam, brought Sam in socially, but I think he needed it for himself. Like Andy is so far on the bottom. They're talking about him. Sam's maybe bringing him in,

but Sierra is not loving that. everyone wants him to be expendable like his game is like in tatters he's building it back but like yeah you need that protection and honestly exactly like he has there's nothing to lose in leaving his vote is unimportant in terms of risking his vote the perception of him is already ruined. So it couldn't be much worse. If anything, he went out and Sam saw that he was gone and he contributed to a negative perception without gaining from it because he didn't actually take the advantage. So I thought that this was not great for Andy. He went back, but he obviously immediately realized,

like, nah, I should take it. But then it was gone. So that was interesting. Yeah, well, I think when I kind of left the lobster trap open, my game and Andy's was obviously very different. My kind of social situation was, I don't want to be seen near that box because I was quite highly regarded in camp.

But then Andy, when you've got nothing to lose, take it. Yeah, exactly. Andy should have just worked and worked. It doesn't matter if everyone's watching him fight these boxes. Exactly. Just Andy, go you've got nothing to lose, take it. Yeah, exactly. Andy should have just worked and worked. It doesn't matter if everyone's watching him find these boxes. Exactly. Just Andy, go and get that box. Get the idol. Save yourself.

It buys you time. Andy needed that idol. Yeah. As well, if he finds an idol, they are a four. So they don't have anyone to split on. So even like we'll talk about like Rome, like with Rome, it feels like they could split on Genevieve, like the four, the core four that they have could remain intact and still kind of split on so even like we'll talk about like Rome like with Rome it feels like they could split on Genevieve like the four the core four that they have could remain intact um and still kind of split on Rome and Genevieve and they get Rome next time once his idols expired or if they

crushed an idol if it wasn't a one tribal idol whereas if Andy has an idol that four has to crack like they have to choose another target if Andy is um you know if he's secure even if he bluffs um that he's going to play it and then doesn't like they can't split on him so yeah he would form like a major fracture and would be very people and people would then start going to Andy saying who should we get out exactly where's your vote going then Andy all of a sudden becomes really valuable to the tribe and then maybe that changes it the next week else, so someone else goes and then Andy maybe

has a better social status. That's Andy's, that's Andy's new arc. That's his new, that would have been his kind of overcoming that first episode madness.

Yeah. And is it great long-term to like, you know, have a meltdown on the mat and then be the guy like really publicly finding your beware advantage?

No. But you can't think about the long long term when you're just grateful to see today and tomorrow and so he really needed the beware advantage but i did appreciate that like he gave that information to sam and it worked and that they're making like possibly quite a crucial connection i think that that's really good for both of them and i also wanted to credit Gata Gata? Gata? I'm hard I don't know if that's hard for me It would be my accent as well I'd say Gata Gata, yeah, Gata I don't know, I'm not my accent I think it's Gata G-A-T-A, whatever

the tangent, but basically Gata I feel like I criticised them last week because I felt like they made a physical decision to take out John over Andy and I didn't agree with it but and I'm not saying I agree with it now but I want to credit Andy for like not being such a disaster to the point where they do win the challenge and to the rest of the tribe for like you know coddling Andy and making him feel better you know even the fact that they made him comfortable enough that he did leave the beware advantage for a few hours if he felt the way he had the day before where he was

like panicking and saying no one liked him like he definitely would have taken it and that would have been right he went actually too far the other way but like they made him feel a little bit more secure um they did win the challenge he did well on that they did well like making good on that kind of physical decision I thought the coconut stuff of them cheering for him opening the coconut like was so funny it was so funny like even in the challenge where he's um stabbing the bag they yelled out like stab it like you stabbed the coconut whatever it was like it was it was so funny it is but it was quite scary watching him with that knife his hand was literally like stabbing his hand like i'm surprised didn't lose a finger doing that but he was he was

mean in business with that with that bag of rice he was he was not stopping and they were cheering for it and i loved it i wanted to say as well that there's been discourse and i'm interested in your take where like people are criticizing it's a delicate topic it's an interesting topic because it's like real world but like the idea that like Andy needs to be coddled and like the emotional labor I think that often gets put on women Rachel last week um Annika this week talks about how he's like a toxic clingy boyfriend um and you know that's not really fair but it's also Survivor how do you feel kind of about the idea of like how much energy they're putting into coddling Andy just to get him to like a kind of normal emotional response at this point yeah I think it's a really tough one because obviously Andy as a person he's kind of you need he thrives on

like attention and feeling wanted and that's obviously that's that's how he is and then you could look at that with though obviously they go through a lot of side tests to get on Survivor and stuff like that and on the beach but nothing can prepare you for being on that beach I think

being in that situation I think he's a huge super fan as well of the show and he'll be there he wants to do this he wants to do that he's stressed about this

he wants it to be the perfect game for himself I think it's all I do feel for him and I think he just wants this is his dream it to be the perfect game for himself. I think it's all, I do feel for him and I think he just wants, this is his dream and I get it, even though I'm not a super fan, like I wasn't

a super fan myself, I get how much it means to a super fan to be there and maybe it's really overwhelming for him. But I think like, if you look at how Annika reacts to Andy, you can tell she doesn't, she doesn't, she doesn't like him that much. She's a bit done with it. She's everything. She says it with a stern face. She's like,

he's like a clingy boyfriend. She's not buying it, but they know they have to, they have to give this to Andy in the moment to keep him, to keep him going, to keep him positive and to stop him from going up,

like off the rails in the game. Yeah. I mean, that's, I feel like that's survivor and like honestly like for me like kind of the discourse around like the emotional labor that you have to do to like coddle people or like emotionally support people i think i'm on the side of coddling like as someone who needs to be coddled and also is a coddler like i'm pro emotional support i don't think i love the idea of and I know that

it's gendered so it's not super black and white and women often give a lot to like maybe helping men or like in general like women are kind of put in that role of like caretakers or caregivers to give us emotional support and often that can be one-sided or unfair or too much and it's the emotional labor component and I'm not dismissing that but I think for me like I love giving emotional support and I love receiving emotional support. She was talking about Andy's words of affirmation. I freaking love words of affirmation. So, you know, I get that. And I can see myself in the Andy role

and I can also see myself in the role of the rest of the tribe. And I think both have merit. Like in life, the kind of therapy speak around, like I don't have the bandwidth. I have to put up the boundary that I can't right now. I don't vibe with that anyway in life. Like I think that we should emotionally support people radically and we should seek emotional support radically like I think

that's so important um you know where I get like I know that it's gendered I know that it's difficult but I think yeah where you can we should radically emotionally support each other and I think that that's true in life and I think that it's also very essential on Survivor like yeah that's an important thing to do on Survivor like so especially when you're taking it to the game being like very emotionally supportive supportive which is a choice you can make because someone like Rachel is having the decision again around how public it is about how threatening it is about how that looks to other people and I think that's essential too but I think like yeah it's good socially to emotionally support people and we should do it in life and like yeah it can have like merit to the game and

it's like a good social decision in a social game so i'm like i'm pro the coddling and maybe that's a hot take in in this day and age but you know coddle it for life for me yeah i think i don't know i'm kind of on the fence with it all i just think it's refreshing to see and it's real life, isn't it? And it's nice to see the real life side of the game. But I think what Andy wants is, it's a lot for Survivor.

Like Rachel is kind of speaking well on it and how maybe it is a bit public and he didn't want to drag some people into it. But I think Rachel had a great confessional

where she was like, we still want Andy to be the easy boot, we still want him to and I thought that was brilliant like she sees everyone cheering for Andy and stuff like that now and she's like yeah but we still want him to be the easy boot and they're managing the situation well

in that sense, they're giving him his affirmation, they're making it and I think even when I watch Titans v Rebels we see Scotty making it and I think like even when I watched Titans v Rebels we see Scotty he left and I think so kind of

my two experiences I've seen I've seen this this first hand and yeah I think they're looking after him

and if that means he stays in the game and if that keeps him keeps him okay and his head above the water i love to see it because it'll be people will be first to criticize if he quit and if he and if he left so the fact he's kind of vocalizing his feelings is refreshing to see especially from like a man in a in in this in this day and age i think it's brilliant

it's refreshing yeah i think that's that's important as well when we talk about like men being vulnerable and then but then again like if it gets put on women that can be unfair but it's like yes men should be vulnerable like we should support all people um in their vulnerabilities and while that might be again emotionally taxing I think it's very important in life so I tend towards that anyway and I think it's really important in the game and if you look at like Sam now you know by supporting Andy like it's very important in life so i i tend towards that anyway and i think it's really important in the game and if you look at like sam now you know by supporting andy like it's self-serving like he's gonna gain from that he has gained options he can move forward with andy and sierra he can move forward with the girls it depends where they go um it's good for the tribe um

yeah so like it's you know i think it's good to support people but i get that it's hard and i get that like i understand why there was discourse around it especially around rachel because it again became and it's been kind of like you know a theme in you know even like last season with like banu and like putting it a lot on kenzie and stuff and like you're just trying to play your game too you're tired you're trying to make friends and now you're in like the coddler role and that is hard and it's public and you're thinking about like the ramifications because everything in survivor can be taken two different types of ways um and now you're kind of been put in that position and it is taxing let alone like the exhaustion that you feel yourself but then like it also can be an opportunity and like important

from a real world perspective and like you know i think like good from a game perspective like i'm sure that you had that with you know players like leilani who was you know, I think like good from a game perspective, like I'm sure that you had that with, you know, players like Leilani, who was, you know, really connected, I think on that frequency kind of thing. And then, you know, your relationship with her became very important towards the end. Did you feel like there was like an element of that in the way that your social relationship was with her, even if like the gender is reversed from kind of this discourse?

Yeah, absolutely. And I knew going into the game, there'd be people who I always kind of had my little mantra I want to be the comfort blanket for people in there because when you're really uncomfortable on a beach

you're never going to get rid of the comfort blanket and I just think like people like even like Rachel Audrey in Calaton Rachel I connected really well

on like that kind of it was like the motherly son relationship and with Leilani we connected like that but like I was I was actively knowing that these relationships

would help me later on in the game so obviously we have to get we got rid of Rachel but like Leilani we took that to the end and because Leilani

voted a lot on kind of loyalty and wasn't really playing as hard like she would never have put my name down on that bit of paper and I kind of knew that actively

whilst making this good connection I knew that it was good for my game which it could be used for an advantage I think like Sam's using this as an opportunity with Andy I think Sam's doing it well, discreetly enough to not be,

I understand why Rachel isn't happy about this, wasn't happy about the situation because she wasn't actively getting involved. She was kind of being dragged into it in a way, whereas Sam's kind of actively looking at it, thinking I could use this to my advantage. Yeah. With Andy.

Yeah, I think that's fair. Like, I think it's fair to look at it like your game's kind of being like sucked into someone else's like drama and that's not what you envision for your game and like I'm not saying it's not difficult and that there weren't things to consider for Rachel like I said last week that you know Sierra had said like oh Andy and John have gone off so like you're going off with Andy is something people will clock I just think that if you can look at it like an opportunity um and knowing that it's good to support people from a real real world perspective even acknowledging that it's difficult and like

somewhat tax very taxing on you yourself like I think it can be like wins across the board where it's like Andy feels better and you can use Andy and the tribe gets a better Andy and now we're all you know that's everyone can get a piece of the cake that way like you know it's like Sam's happy Andy's happy like everyone's alright but we'll see we'll see how that goes

I think it'll be that dynamic's really interesting really really interesting I'm excited to see where that one goes I think Andy's long for the game

I'm rude Sam wants to work with him they're not even like there's no real disaster tribe this season often there's like one tribe that like loses with him they're not even like there's no real disaster tribe this season often there's like one tribe that like loses and loses it doesn't seem like that's the vibe at all this season so yeah andy pencil them in for you know possibly a losing you

know final travel council violence like if i'm honest but like still that'll be great go andy take that no definitely i'm rooting for him but i think it is really disappointing that he kind of destructed his game in the first episode because he's clearly such a massive fan he loves the game he wants to be involved

he's chaotic I think if he just didn't blow up on the mat in that first challenge he could have a chance because he's getting involved he's in it you know

yeah well that's the story at the final travel council I hate to get ahead of myself but like that's what he needs to come with but I'm'm here for this are we starting where you started stand club are the standees yes standees is that who we are that's who we are 100 100 well you also mentioned that you um really like rome i'd like to talk about lava lava yeah i don't know how to

pronounce these prime names they're not that hard i don't know why I'm really finding it so difficult. But yeah, Larvo. So much Rome stuff going on. I saw a tweet that I really enjoyed that was like, my worst fear is going on Survivor and then making a montage of like my most oblivious moments. Because this was like two minutes of the Rome montage. That was so brutal.

Exceptional television. But like just clocking everything he did in that two minutes like he he said he was like the best rapper and then he rapped but then he failed at rapping the moon walking why was he mimicking dial-up internet Matt do you know what dial-up internet is or are you too young for the dial-up internet I don't actually know what it is but I got the vibe of what he was doing like the um impression I of i've got the vibe but i don't know what dial-up is that is were you born into life it's so tragic for not for you for me i think so i was born in 2002 i know don't say it don't say it out loud um it's fine

you know i'm so proud of you matt you're like're like my son. Thank you. Thank you. I, um... I, um... No, but also more. So, okay. So, I don't know if you know this, but at the final four of New Era or Modern US Viva, they don't vote.

They make fire. Yes. So, I seen that on... Did I see it on Reddit? I see it somewhere. I see it. So, I knew that. Yeah.

So, the fact that rome was like oh i made fire every day and i can do fire in 16 seconds you're like oh that's terrible they'll never let you near the final four but then he failed so hard at making fire that i was like maybe this will work out terrible for the montage though what are you so yeah how are you feeling about rope you said you love her again i'm kind of i'm here yeah yeah exceptional tv character love watching him would i like to be on a tribe with him probably not but i love Again, I'm here. Yeah. Exceptional TV character. Love watching him. Would I like to be on a tribe with him?

Probably not. But I love watching him from my bedroom. I think it's great. But I think I love the fact that he thinks he's playing this perfect social game. Yeah. He's kind of like TK in that way. Yeah, probably. But like a less intense version.

Just more fun like Rome said that he like he thinks he's playing this perfect social game and he's there but everyone's

kind of clocky but I love how he found the idol and he was like that's it I'm safe I'm not going to be the first person

to leave out of this tribe bucket list pick and I'm like I'm here for that but again it'll be good to see where it goes I love the dancing

the singing the dial-up internet. They didn't seem to love it. It's going to be entertaining for sure. No, they were. Again, I wouldn't. Being on the beach with him, it would be a lot. But from home, it's good.

They were polite. Like, Teenie in the confessional was like, it's just really hard when you're out here 24-7. And then it would cut to Rome doing the most, like, inexplicably annoying thing. It's like, you just really feel it when you're out here 24 7 and he's just like yelling in their faces like incredible incredible montage um so interesting that so he goes to teeny with the idol information so firstly off the bat i was like wow you know i

credited teeny social game last week and the fact that rome is teeny's number five of five options. I was going to say six, but she's six. Five of five options. And Teenie to him is number one. He doesn't even go to Genevieve. Credit to Teenie. 100%. Credit to Teenie, that. Yeah.

Like in the secret scene from last week, you know, Genevieve is asking Rome and Rome's like, no. But then he goes to Teenie. So I thought that was incredible. And then it kind of falls a bit off the cliff, which you're about to do in like an hour, right? and Rome's like, no. But then he goes to Tini. So I thought that was incredible. And then it kind of falls a bit off the cliff, which you're about to do in like an hour, right? So, but yeah, what did you think about this moment where he goes to Tini and then Tini and Kishan are caught

with their hand in like the literal cookie jar. This whole thing was, it was crazy. Yeah. I feel like it would have been perfect. Like you said, the fact that Teeny's Rome's number one, credit to Teeny's Game. It's just horrendous that they got caught out in the act,

kind of, for Teeny's Game. But I really liked TD. I think, incredible character. But that wasn't the best moment. No. It was just very sloppy.

Like, it wasn't, you know, it was just, it was kind of like the lobster trap, not to bring it back, but it was just, it was just like a little sloppy. Like like it wasn't you know it's not it was just it was kind of like the the lobster trap not to bring it back but it was just it was just like a little sloppy like it wasn't like I think that they just got excited and wanted to see it with Kishan which is was unnecessary because they could have gone back with Rome and just been like can we see it in the daylight you know and like clearly like not having a good lookout having Rome be accessible like my soul left my body as Rome walked up on them.

It could not have been a worse situation. So that was just sloppy, but like socially, you know, Teenie clearly had it going on. And this was an unfortunate way to lose that. I will say that I thought it was a really good job by Rome in the way that he handled it. Like he immediately takes the one tribal idol, which now he's clearly going to need.

He's smart enough to know that this is a bad situation with Teen teeny yeah he doesn't have as much trust that he needs the protection he has it he knows that no one can even talk about voting him out like he's safe for one tribal council it lessens his threat level like even if he had known that teeny had given that information and he wasn't even standing there with teeny and kishan like i think you should take the one tribal idol at that point because the information's been disseminated he needs the protection and to lessen the threat level but especially standing there with them he had to take it and i thought that was really good and i even liked the way that he um you know the like the like even being like bucket list ticked you know like trying to take the pressure off neck i'm not necessarily like a scary sketchy idol searcher i'm just like trying to take the bucket

list i thought all of that was good i even thought like the instinct to go to to use it socially to go to teeny was right i love that too but my like the issue was that he's made such poor social relationships to this point that teeny's not vibing with rome so it's like the issue started earlier and like couldn't be covered but it was still good to try to use socially and then i thought he covered well but he's just so out based on the way that people are perceiving him just in general yeah he's so out with that and he's really that amazing but he's good that he read that team that he knows now that he can't trust teeny as much as he thought he could so he's not completely like he knows like he like he knows he made maybe a wrong decision doing that but like you said he's

got it for one tribal council he's safe he knows that and and again just like the kind of it it could be yeah by the time yeah and the fact so who knows yeah but same way it's like the andy situation in a way of if andy had got that um advantage then andy and rome are both in similar situations both use it on themselves keeps them safe someone else goes home and then all of a sudden it's a merge and then the dynamics change completely so yeah they often merge at 13 so there's two other tribes that could go to tribal council especially like they haven't gone to tribal council they might keep winning if you go to one tribal council you're safe now you've merged they just need to go yeah just one yeah that one can be quite essential so yeah it's not done genevieve's game is done

like she's the one who will suffer because he is immune um so she's out but he he has you know he has some time that yeah he just he'll get through that one tribal council and then he could be home through to the merge and you're gonna see at the moment there's all of these hijinks that happen there there's murgatory and there's a double tribal council and then double travel and then we're the final nine yeah isn't it good that i'm getting to witness all this for the first time i feel like yes i feel like some people might say you haven't watched enough survivor but i think there's some TV shows and things that I love that I'd love to experience for the first time again so I'm happy that I've experienced it for the first like I'm learning with it it's good we have a lot to watch I'm gonna give you the chart

yeah I'm never gonna run out of TV to watch how many so 47 seasons I've got to watch yeah well 40 but then you've got Australia you've got eight Australian seasons you haven't watched some of them you could skip you don't have to don't watch all 47 Jeff even said this week you shouldn't watch all of the seasons I've seen something about that on Twitter some people like some and that's there's that we actually once did a whole podcast on that but a lot of people would disagree they'd say go from the beginning watch them all I say watch the good ones and I have a color-coded chart that I can give you but you where I will tell you which I think are good and then you can watch those ones

so that would probably be yeah funny yeah well you tell me which one to watch and we can do little check-ins and I'll watch I'll watch a season and I'll come back to you at the end and I'll start my own

little chat and then new players who haven't seen them I can start giving them the charts out you'll use my chart you'll make a new chart what about my chart

I can rank mine and then we'll bring the charts together and talk talk chat but I've already got the perfect chart man you to be fair shannon you no one's ever criticized your chart is perfect actually no every single time that chart goes on twitter someone criticizes it's what you don't want to recommend seasons everyone's got to take it all it takes a different to the point where now if someone tweets to me asking for the chart i will dm them i will not put it on twitter because it's painful for me that people will then be like what

about this is what i'm like yeah i might take the different to yours all opinions are different it's quite actually subjective in saying that my chart is perfect i will give you the chart and then you'll have the perfect watch list so no i'm excited but i think i'm here for this right think about it it gets the merge what about about the Gabe, Rome, and Andy alliance? That will be ruthless, chaotic, and exciting. That's what I'm here for. The universe will implode, I think. I think it would.

I think there'd be chaos. It'd be exciting. There'd be breakdowns. But I'd be here for it. I think it'd be fun to watch. Good TV. I'd break down yeah should we give chizzy points before you have to jump off a mountain yeah absolutely when do you have to jump off the mountain so like an hour setting off in 45 minutes we're setting off we're setting off so what i'm doing is i'm crazy first you'll see

on tiktok eventually i'm going to be walking on Europe's longest wire bridge and it's between two mountains. It's crazy. Oh, my God. So it's a big slate mine. And then these two guys who own the slate mine, they built a bungee off the slate mine on a cliff. So I'm doing that.

So hopefully I'll be still alive to come in another podcast one day. That's crazy. After this afternoon's exploits. The thing that's wild to me is that Dino, who's from Survival South Africa, who is often my guest, he also, because he does skydiving as like a sport, like he's an instructor. Yeah.

So often he does the podcast and then he goes and skydives. And I just think of my day, you know, like it just wasn't the same day as you so I went skydiving in at the end of January so since we last bought I've been skydiving for the first time and Dino actually reached out to me on Instagram yeah so we've chatted about it a few times and he's like got his license so he can skydive alone yeah so he was telling me that that's the next step for me to learn that but I think skydiving alone is just a different animal i think that would be a lot of the plane alone but i'll do it yeah we need me you and dino we need to get on a podcast and we can chat all

things survivor all things adrenaline yeah that's me i will i i could jump out of the plane i think with someone else but alone that's too much no i feel you have to be something else to do that by no i'm never gonna ever jump out of a plane with anyone but no one it's the best thing it's the best feeling ever you feel you feel free no I feel free now on the ground with my cats I don't know I feel a bit trapped I want to I don't know we'll see I'll be scared later on I don't know why I'm acting like I'm like this I'll be terrified I'll be screaming jumping off that cliff there just text me and tell me you're okay

I will after yeah yeah in a few hours I'll message saying I'm back on the ground hopefully if you don't hear anything though

send help from Australia no like if god forbid something happened god forbid it would make this podcast really depressing it actually would

to look back on it I don't even think I could release it no it's I'll give you can I give you full permission to please release podcast if anything does happen don't even say that don't even sorry it's gonna be so good people bunch you up all the time yeah just text me that you're okay okay let's do the chizzy let's do this yeah two three three one one one one one one one one one one one one one one one

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one one one one one I'm kind of still in two minds with my cheesy points. You don't have time because you have to jump off a mountain. Do you want to give yours first or should I go first? No, you go first. Okay, well, I'm definitely giving three to Sue. Because I feel like she got two really important allies. She got to run across. She flipped the whole thing on its head.

Like she could have been the first boot just from like a physical standpoint. And she's like, if anything, like running the tribe. Like far like far and away sue but then I'm like I don't know like I'm still torn like I want to give two points and one point in some order to Gabe and Sam like for Gabe like I feel like I should give him two points and that's what I came in to do because I feel like he's sort of pushed Tiana he brought in Caroline well I disagree with the idol play but I feel like it is fine and it still worked out like he he did the important thing of having the numbers so it doesn't really matter but like it's just the way that he's like looking at sue and caroline that might make me like docker

point and then for sam like sam didn't go to tribal council i really like what sam is doing like the andy connection all the idol stuff like the collaboration but i didn't like the way he was talking about it in terms of taking it for one tribal council and like the big move discourse i guess i'll give i'll give the two to gabe and because he went to tribal council and like he they won the day and then i'll give one to sam and i'll give an honorable mention to caroline who's in power i thought the gabe interaction wasn't great it was too blunt but um yeah she's in power but yeah i think i'll do that but like gabe like there's so many pros and cons that i feel like it could have gone either way but i will give two now and like

possibly regret it in the future yeah no i think yeah you could look at it both ways with gabe couldn't you you could think the decisions he could have made or what he did make and what he's thinking but yeah i think that's pretty good. What are you going to give? So can I give my three points to Sam? Okay. Well, then I'm glad I gave Sam one because that seems like a lot of points to Sam.

But yeah, no, it's good. You do it. Yeah, I'm going to give my three points to Sam. I think he's aware of what's happening. He's not writing anything off. He knows he can use Andy as as like a like to his advantage

in the game which I think is really smart I like how he's going about things even when he found the advantage he went around telling everyone

he knew he would have to tell people before they found out of someone else so yeah I just think he's in a good place and he's got options

he's well liked but I didn't see the preview to the next episode um him getting called out about dating sierra was that i think then too yeah i'm pretty sure that sam is like engaged yeah so who knows about that we'll be entertained next week but yeah i'm gonna give three points to sam two points I'm gonna go to to Sue I think Sue really has she's impressed me even in episode one I love like I really like Sue I think she can go a long way in the game and I like the fact that Gabe kind of looked after her took her like at the start noticed that she'd be good to work with because I think sometimes people can be written off

and I think Sue is going to she's got a good there's a good story for Sue in the game and the fact she survived like you said she could have easily been

first boot out of that tribe she's not which is good so hopefully that'll lead now on to a good good cause and she's aware she's in the knowledge she's in the majority

yeah two points for Sue and then I'm going to go is this a hot take one point Andy okay Yeah, two points for Sue. And then I'm going to go, is this a hot take? One point Andy. Okay. It might be a hot take.

I know this might be a hot take. Oh, Andy. Andy, yes. One point Andy, obviously for all the standees out there. But I think as well, the fact that he blew up his game kind of so much in episode one, I didn't see any way out of it.

He's now come to this episode two he's Sam is like considering to work with him maybe this is just credit and Sam

and not Andy but they've got this thing where they kind of trust each other although he didn't get the advantage it's a bit disappointing he didn't get his

advantage but I'm going to give one point to Andy because because I believe that he could be in a lot worse position well done to andy for not being as bad as we thought he was going to be in this episode that's great that's damning with same praise to a degree but yeah okay so interesting so now sue is leading the charts on nine points

teeny's on six oh sam's on five and then gabe is on two and andy's on one and asia's on one interesting who's teeny would have got teeny teeny would have got the points if um if there wasn't this whole situation about spilling the beans like a hundred percent yeah i mean teeny like we credited teeny last week for the like social relationships and like that played out With Rome here Telling Teenie about the idol And then like Again like

Off a cliff Which is relevant Yeah who's your winner pick? Who do you think's gonna win? At the minute I'm liking Rachel I think Rachel for me Is good

And I think I don't know too much about Like how the edits go And that But I think Solid so far solid I can see

I can see a route where she wins nice I like it yeah Rachel maybe teeny but then is teeny I think I feel like

there might be a little fall to teeny's rise I feel like people might see through but Rachel I think she's got everything yeah

kind of I could I can picture her being what a winner would be what about you who have you said that your winner well my winner pick was Asia so I'm just gonna stick with Asia okay Asia who's someone I know from life so do you know yeah so I've seen that she was on the so she's obviously with Rob as a podcast so you know her yeah yes and Andy I met Andy in Boston did you yeah yeah oh because he was just there as a fan or does he host like a fan event yeah and was he saying that he wants to like get he's been playing and stuff like that I honestly don't remember I don't think so I think we just it was very loud but we did we talked a lot we talked about the episode I don't know like

we didn't talk about him going on the show I met a lot of people who ended up playing that night. Charlie played last season. Apparently I met him. Bruce, who had played once and would go on to play again, but I didn't, I hadn't seen him play either time. I met him. You know, it's a very small community. I want to get to, I want to get to like an event.

I need to come to the U.S. for an event. Because in two weeks today two weeks today I'm going to Miami and Boston on like just like a holiday so any Survivor fans

or players that want to meet up I'm out there you should definitely do that are you in Boston on a Wednesday night potentially probably yeah

because we finished the holiday will there yeah but I'll have to get myself yeah i'll have to get myself down that'll be great that'd be so fun you'll probably meet andy that'd be brilliant oh yeah he's from boston i've seen that yeah because we found out that we had some long lost family or something in boston so we ended up connecting with them and we're going to visit them as a family it's quite it's quite mad so incredible it's good if i get to a survivor event i'll

i'll um i'll let you know okay well people who are in those places reach out to matt about the viewing parties yeah they're really oh yeah so i can do it i'm there right i'll be there assuming you make it through once you jump in oh yeah now i'm actually scared now it's that night no no no 30 minutes and you're leaving so i should wrap this up i'm gonna go do nothing and you're gonna go bungee jumping i am but to be fair what time is it in australia right now it's eight o'clock at night oh so it's the evening no you're all right you can chill in the evening the day has just begun in the uk i have to be doing something bad you can you can relax all night it's evening

yeah i guess if it was early i'd bungee jump but the day escaped me you would yeah you'd be bungee jumping if it was earlier that's what you would yeah i would i would be right um tell the people where they can find you to tell you about the viewing parties and and find out that you're okay and your TikToks. What do you tell people what you're doing? Yeah, absolutely. So my name is Matthew Haywood, X on TikTok, Instagram, and X. Same socials across all platforms.

I'm quite active on TikTok at the minute, posting a lot, like a lot of my life's there and getting up to all the different challenges, Instagram as well i'm not as active on x but definitely now i'm watching survivor 47 i'll be on there keeping up with the episode so on wednesday night i'll be tweeting and yeah definitely keep up with me keep in touch i'm interested and yeah i'm loving the survivor community so excited to just see more of it i'm my eyes eyes are open to the Survivor world. I love it. Well, I'll send you the chart.

You'll go to a viewing party. So good. Is it bad to watch two Survivors at once? So if I start watching 47, and then maybe you just say, you say that Survivor 42 is really good. Start watching them both alongside each other. Or do you think I finish one?

No, you can do it. You can do it. But maybe, but the thing is, I could watch Survivor 42, for instance. You could binge that fast. Like,

you don't have to wait for the episodes. Yeah. Okay, you're going to do the chart, but it's going to be like a shock to the system because some are really old school. Some are before you were born. No, before I was born.

But you probably don't have to watch those. Yes. Yes. Okay. Survivor's older than you are. That's crazy. Survivor's older than me. People watching Survivor before I was even, I know.

It's crazy. That's insane. Here we are. Anyway, good luck with your bungee jumping, Matt. Thank you for coming on to the podcast. This was so fun.

Honestly, I've loved it. I've loved it. Love chatting. Anytime. Get me on whenever you, whenever you need. I'm here. This was great. Well, I've loved it. I've loved it. Love chatting. Anytime, get me on whenever you need. I'm here.

This was great. Well, I wish you were instead in Samoa playing Australia versus the world, but this is like the second best. Second best option for me. The time will come. The time will come and then we'll play again. Yeah. Well, everyone, next week I have another great guest.

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