RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor Global: Split Tribal Mechanics | Season 48 Ep 7 with Taran Armstrong

Episode Date: April 12, 2025

Survivor Global: Split Tribal Mechanics | Season 48 Ep 7 with Taran Armstrong Survivor Global host Shannon Guss speaks to RHAP podcaster and strategy expert Taran Armstrong about the split tribal councils in episode 7 of Survivor 48. They talk about the moves of the people on the bottom, the options for the people in […]

The Hello everyone and welcome to RHAP's coverage of Survivor 48 for Survivor Global. I'm your host Shannon Guss, remembering which franchise of Survivor 48 for Survivor Global. I'm your host Shannon Guss, remembering which franchise of Survivor I am covering. Here to talk about the double boot, the Split Tribal Council, episode seven of Survivor 48. And to do that, and we used to call it the global stock wash crossover. The stock wash isn't really happening,

but we continue the trend of that. We kind of, you know, we keep our traditions going much like the new era of Survivor and with me, I have the great Taryn Armstrong. T kind of, you know, we keep our traditions going, much like the new era of Survivor. And with me, I have the great Taryn Armstrong. Taryn, thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. Yeah, maybe we could just call it the Survivor Global,

I guess like Twitch streaming crossover. That's the majority of my Survivor coverage nowadays. Great marketing. I just watch the episodes live on Twitch and now also YouTube. Yeah, well, okay. Well, that's not good marketing. Zero points, but yeah, just Taryn as the guest

is kind of the vibe. And I was like, I'm gonna have Taryn on for the Split Tribal. I knew how to book it weeks in advance because I knew this would be the Split Tribal. Well, as soon as they announced Murgatory, I'm like, that's the Split Tribal. So I shouldn't have done that though, because my thought was there'll be two tribal councils, at least one will be interesting.

But actually I think if we look back at the trends, unlikely, unlikely, and then not achieved. Yeah. I mean, I think ultimately, uh, like the first vote or two two when they have all of the players able to properly vote at the merge, I think is usually the best tribal. There's usually one vibe setting vote that happens. And I feel like we still haven't really gotten it yet because there's been too much interference from all of the other stuff that's happening.

Yeah, maybe I was thinking about this. Maybe the show assumes that, you know, something will be set. And to be fair, Murgatroyd doesn't even set it in like hard lines. Like Murgatroyd sets like clear people on the bottom with like a mass alliance most of the time. But then maybe the show assumes whatever is set, whether it's something mass and boring or like a line will have to play out for a couple of votes. So they rush through that in a split tribal council to kind of like clear out the people on the bottom and make people flip sooner. I feel like maybe I'm giving them too much credit because I don't think that they realize like we spoke about this last week with Murgatory is like all of the ways that Murgatory is incentivizing people to be boring. And like, you know, we see here even David is using like,

Oh, you want to be able to make the jury like just sit tight. And like with Murgatory actually making it to the merge. And then I said, like, you want to be careful to have big numbers for a split tribal. And when you're at the split tribal, you have to play that out to a natural conclusion, not piss anyone off or you're not even at the same beach with like, it becomes this whole cyclical thing. So I don't know that they know that all of that is happening. So I think maybe I'm giving too much credit to be like,

they assume that like they've had a table setting voted regatory that'll run down. Let's just run it down quicker. I think that they think that like these types of twists will shake things up in a way that historically is just incredibly untrue. Yeah, I mean, and I think kind of the issue is that like, things were already shaken up when they brought them to the merge in the first place, right? Like, this is an entirely new group of people that need to now figure out how they're going to interact and what relationships are gonna form

and what alliances are gonna come together and what kind of power structure is gonna be built. And it's like, okay, let's shake up the snow globe and see where things land. But before things can land, it's murder story. Oh, is this different? Half of you are sometimes immune and whatever. And it's like, okay, okay. Now you're, you're gonna almost make the merge. Here we go. Oh, but no, no, we're shaking it again. because now it's a split tribal is two people. And it's like, we haven't actually,

you're not shaking anything. There's nothing to shake yet. It's still being shaken. Yeah, I agree. I mean, look, I think that we are somewhat to blame. There are a lot to blame, but I think that we are somewhat to blame because of how much we hate stagnancy.

Like the reaction to these last two episodes, which I understand, I feel like it's an upsetting food order for many, many different reasons. I mean, from a representation reason, from a character reason, from the fact that like, yes, these two last episodes were snoozy, all very bleak, none of it. Good. Very upset for me to lose. Say, and Cedric, I'm devastated about losing both of them.

No regrets on the many cheesy points that both of them got. But I think that the reaction is like, this is the worst season of all time. And it's like, we have to show production that we are okay with a little bit of stagnancy. Because I think their fear is that if they ever allow it to be slightly stagnant, that people will be mad, which they are, you know, and people will not watch, which I mean, maybe the casuals wouldn't. But like, we're still going to watch. But my point is that like, that's why they keep shaking up the

snow globe. And as we know, and things that we're shaking up, people like cling to the familiar, and people need big numbers to try and like, work against twists that might screw them up, as we've seen through these last episodes and the history of this type of format. So I think that if we show them that the stagnancy actually has to be okay, it has to be okay with people getting a run on. I think that the, obviously for me frustrating thing is that the twists actually are promoting stagnancy. It's like, if that just happens to happen, that's strategy sometimes.

Like that's Survivor. This is clearly an unscripted show where like even today alone, so many narratives just left just say, and Cedric never coming back together, say and marry, Cedric and Star, so many of like the best dynamics in the show just wiped without even a goodbye most of the time, truly terrible for the narrative. This is unscripted TV. Sometimes there might be things that are boring. We have to be okay with that.

But I think what the issue is, is like, yes, when the twists are frustrating enough and contributing to that in ways production might not be aware of. Yeah, and something that I've talked about is just like, in my memory at least, some of my favorite survivor episodes of all time, at least reliably, are the merge episodes. Because no matter what was happening in a season, the merge episode was the first time all of the players were interacting with each other. And that was happening in a season, the merge episode was the first time all of the players were interacting with each other.

And that was the time, again, where things were, there were all kinds of new possibilities for dynamics and relationships and alliances, and getting to see all of the different, the merge is kind of like the Avengers of survivor seasons, where it's like all of these main characters from like the different tribes that you're watching are now either teaming up or facing off. And that's like such a fun time. And that's the time that I want to spend the most amount of time

at camp, getting to see all of that stuff happen. And lately with the new era, I feel like the opposite has happened. Where now the merge, these merge episodes have reliably become some of my least favorite episodes. Because instead of getting to see all of the new dynamics play out, I'm spending even more of the episode than normal on the multiple challenges that they have

to run for the Mergetory thing. And now the multiple like tribal council segments where we're talking about various analogies for things in the dual boot episode. And that's all time that is not spent at camp with all of the people there together, figuring out how they want to play the game. And that's just frustrating for me as a viewer. I kind of feel like it's more like Captain America Civil War than the Avengers because they're facing off against each other.

I also think like this episode would be if like two really major characters who are in a franchise together were separated into different movies, died in those movies and never came back in Saiyan Cedric. Like I'm trying to think if it was like Wander in Vision, you go to different movies, died in those movies and never came back in Say and Cedric. Like I'm trying to think if it was like Wander and Vision, you go to like a completely different movie and they just never get to say goodbye. And that would never happen in scripted TV because that is terrible from a narrative perspective.

And that's what we got today, which was so incredibly depressing. But yeah, I mean, I do, I agree with you that this is like a low point of the season and I should have realized that when I was scheduling you. But I'm going away in a couple of weeks and part of me kind of wants it to stay boring. So I have less FOMO from podcasting. And another big part of me is like, I should be in Europe now.

Like that should be scheduling my holidays as transvibraside over these kind of snoozy weeks. But we'll still, well, there's a lot to talk about still. I'm sure which we will find, but yeah, I mean, I, it's not, it's not good. I mean, if you look back at the split tribles, even, you know, whether there's a double boot or not, it is often people on the bottom and it's something that we'll look at here for people who are technically in the middle, like a Chrissy and a star, as we know, we could talk about in the middle of like, they, they kind of like the top of the bottom of this like onion group and they know

parts of that which we can talk about. And they still kind of can't make this flip when there's should be an opportunity against someone like an Eva here who has an idol and it's not even the so so frustratingly that's not even the conversation it's say versus Mitch it's like you need each other so I think that that is like the really frustrating part of that conversation and if you look back at like the history of of these the tribals like even like Tiana or Rachel last time was you know like people are gonna pick off people on the bottom um I think like Soto went, but I feel like Nami were like itching to split on each other. That might be one of the biggest flips we've had recently. And then I think you have to go all the way back to like 43 where James went

and that was a power shift, but that was like, again, two Tribals after Murgatory. So at the point where like the dynamics have been set and people might know when they want to make a flip, maybe then they take like something of an opportunity. If it's there, maybe that's what star and Chrissy would do. If this was in like a couple of tribal council's time, but now it's like, there's no clear line from purgatory. Everything's so mass, everything's so communal that they're hoping probably for the best. And the scariest part of all is if you make the flip,

maybe you win the battle and lose the war. Like you're coming back to a sure minority, like any majority vote in the split tribal is going to be a minority in the whole tribe. Right. Because it's a majority of a plurality of the half. So if you're coming back, if they're coming back and they've won the vote, four of them say and fractures aside, Mitch, say, Stein, Chrissy, blindside Eva, huge vote coming Starr and Chrissy, blindside Eva.

Huge vote. Coming back to four of 10 though. So can they, do they know if Cedric will be there wanting to work with them? They don't know. Will Mary want to be there? They can't talk to her. So why, we can talk about whether they should have,

but why wage a battle that you might then put yourself in more danger. You might unify a group that was otherwise gonna crack in the Milk Shields Alliance that I'm describing, the Milkship Alliance that I, you know, titled last week. They might, they were maybe were going to crack in a couple of weeks and now they're more unified against you. Now they're like, oh, we better shore out, we need each other. So it becomes a very, very tricky thing for people to make a flip knowing that the numbers they are flipping with, they kind of shore a majority without talking to, clearing it with the other side. Yeah, I mean, you take out the wrong person and all you've

potentially really done is some of the dirty work for the majority by picking off Eva. In this instance, you're removing an idol from the board that they now don't have to worry about. You're taking out Joe's number one. So now he's freed up to like, you know, link up with somebody else and make them feel more comfortable in the majority. Like there are a lot of potential downsides to this. If you go back to a world where, uh, you know, on the other side, Shaheen doesn't get voted out and instead it is the, that majority line still there. In the same way that like, if Shaheen had been in that spot,

you take out Shaheen, similarly, now all of a sudden Kyle and Camilla scheming to betray the alliance to take out Shaheen, you don't even have to do it anymore. We don't have to do any of that. So yeah, that's exactly what we needed to have done for us. Thank you so much. Now we are free to vote you out.

So it does require like a knowledge of the dynamics for like what kind of move you are capable of making. And knowledge of the dynamics requires the dynamics existing and being set in place. And that's tough when it just happened and there hasn't really even been like a full, proper merge vote yet. And so, yeah, it's tough.

Yeah. I mean, I would love to talk about that for Starr and Chrissy because Starr and Chrissy are technically swing votes here and not swing votes between Mitch and say, oh my God, this was killing me. And by the way, the fact that they were like, we should go to Mitch because he on both sides, because he's strong. The Joe of it being like, he strongly has a good story. I'm like, he should have an invitation to your Alliance. What are we doing? What was the point of the honor and integrity alliance? Like it was kind of like the no homeless club, you know, like honor integrity for some, but not for Mitch. Mitch is a threat for all the things that are combining us

against each other. So it was frustrating in the way it was delivered because that's their whole premise. I don't even agree with the premise, but for the premise that they are doing, it's been also hypocritical. By the way, my many pet peeves, Taryn, only continue to grow. And then I also felt like for Chrissy and Star, who are the swing votes here, they're like, we should get rid of Mitch because

he's good at the challenges. He's the only one who will beat the people on the top. Please don't take out your one weapon, your one strong weapon against them so that they're going to just take up all the immunity. I can target other people when they have immunity, but they're going to block up all the power and that is bad. So to look at it from a Christian star's perspective. Now you may say this is all fan fiction because they don't know that there's a big alliance. They don't know how much trouble they're in. That's clearly true. They're like, if they're smart, they'll take out Shaheen. Talking about a group that is all of those people, like they're definitely not taking out Shaheen and that just shows how little they know.

However, they do both say things in this episode, which makes me realize you should know the general sentiment. Star is like, I wanna take out the strong people. I'm like, great, let's talk about that. Not Mitch, not Mitch. That's the one strong person you need. Everyone else, let's talk about it.

Chrissy is a tribal council and she's like, I can't just do the strong thing. I need to, you know, find another way because that's not me. Chrissy, yes, but don't, don't say the choir part loud in tribal council. Now they might target you. Don't tell them that. Tell me that in confessional and then do something about it behind the scenes. So the fact that Chrissy knows that this is a bad pathway for her on general sentiment and they both are like, maybe we should talk to the strong people. Like, yeah, I think maybe something we pathway for her on general sentiment and I mean, the thing about and this is part of why I don't usually like tribal council for the show a lot of the time, which is that like, is she even being truthful at tribal council? Right. Like usually what somebody's accurate for her. Right.

But like usually what somebody says at tribal council is like the opposite of what they mean, because like if Chrissy feels like she is in like an alliance or like some kind of, you know, if she's, if she's saying like, maybe we should target the strong people as a decoy for the fact that they're actually voting out, say and not Mitch the strong guy, like that kind of makes sense for why she might say

something like that in that moment, you know, versus like exposing her entire play style philosophy. And I think that you leave it in there because it fits in with the themes of the season that they're trying to present as well, which is like the strong versus weak thing that they've all been touching on a lot. Yeah, that's like every strength survivor's theme. I do think that she probably... Strong vs. Weak is the theme. Every season of Strength and Survivor is the theme is actually

Strong vs. Weak, literally every single season. Yeah, we're used to that here. But then the weak people and the Braids tribe, et cetera, also insanely strong. So that's Australian Survivor. Yeah. I mean, I think it is something that happens on a lot of seasons of Big Brother too,

where like, especially later seasons of Big Brother, more modern seasons, when the competitions have been very unequal in terms of like, the ability to win them. Usually at the same kinds of people or the same people in general, just winning a bunch of the competitions. And very naturally that separates people out into like,

the strong and the weak, the valuable and the useless. And the ways in which that clearly influences how you value people in the game, both for players and for viewers sometimes, and how that influences not only how they play the game, but also how they see their own morality in it, where they have this sort of manifest destiny for themselves of like, we are the conquerors,

we are the ones winning the stuff, we are the strong ones, therefore it is our right, our moral right to dominate over the weaker players and we deserve it more. And if they do anything to shake this up, if they lie to us and break the natural order of things, then that is terrible for them. We are we play with honor and integrity because playing with honor and integrity reinforces the structure that keeps us in power. And

we will make some small white lies here and there. But those aren't as bad as the ones that would cause a revolution in the power structure. Also, because you're lying to people who aren't important and they're not human. Exactly. So they're, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Well, I think people, and this is annoying people so much, which is super fair. People aren't in the trenches, okay? You cover Big Brother, you do that every year. I cover Australian Survivor, okay? So we've been in the trenches of the whole honor and integrity and value and who deserves what and who has meaning and it is painful. Yeah, of course it's definitely there in my list of 50 pet thieves and I think rapidly expanding. It's probably getting closer to 100. I really need to send you my list,

but I think that, yeah, I think that the, when Christie is talking about it, if it's a lie,, which as you said like tribal councils or theater, which is why a few years ago We finally uttered the words the tribal council can be boring and now it's like a cold take We don't use to say that even a few years ago. But now Yeah, it's Chrissy is Chrissy lying about that. Um, I Wouldn't the reason I thought it was is because like that actually isn't Mitch. I mean, maybe it's like, maybe it's the way that the honor integrity line sees Mitch. It's like, he's like, again, like he's such a problem. He's so strong.

He has a story. Joe, are you talking, are you looking in a mirror? Like what is wrong with you? But maybe that's how they see themselves. But I do think that like very openly David has been the one champion that and like Joe probably has openly champion that. I think like the people at the top have openly kind of made that clear, which they're allowed to do because they set the tone because that is, as you said, I think well said the natural

order of things. Um, and I think when Chrissy talks out against that, like it's the way she talks about it is about like coming out against a power structure, not just like poor lowly image. Although yes, as we know, such a problem, so strong, such a story. Um, but also, uh, yeah, I think that she is talking about something that's been kind of like an open mentality or approach or like value system given in tribal councils and probably beyond by the people who were genuinely on the top. So she, if she's lying about it, it's, it's really painful because it's

like, it could make you a target. Like you shouldn't tell the truth about it. And what would be the point of lying about it? You know, and if you're telling the truth, like none of that is good. But I think that it should get into her brain to be like, this is actually a problem. Like what she's saying makes total logical sense. Just don't tell them. And now that's why we can try and look at her decision because it should be based

on the logic and merit and knowledge of knowing. These people are at the top saying those things and that isn't you. You know, she's in with Siva. We've seen her be in with Carl, Camilla and David. Like that's what was her full personal lines that we know. Certainly not even Mitch. But if that's what she's seeing

and she's seeing these other bonds, then she should know enough to not say it but to do something about it. I mean, it's hard to say because I think Chrissy is one of the people we've seen the least of in terms of her actual thought process and what's happening with her game on the show. But, you know, I think other interpretations I could take from it are like, you know, maybe the way she sees it is less so like, Hey, I'm calling out Joe right here and Eva for like, hey, I don't think just cause you guys are strong players

doesn't mean that you should just, you know, I don't, it doesn't mean we shouldn't target you. And perhaps more so like, hey, just because you see other people as strong players, like maybe a David doesn't mean you have to go with them. You could come with us instead sort of thing, you know, but again, it's hard to really get into her head, quite frankly, because I really don't know much about Chrissy in general. Hey, she has more conventionals than some people got while getting to the end

of this entire Australian survivor season. OK, so again, things are different the way we're doing in an Australian survivor. But look, I do. I think that if that's what she's saying, it's like, come with us like, sure. Don't vote those people out. You know, like, then you have to make the coalition of the people in the bottom. Now, I'm not saying that they should necessarily do that. I honestly think it is very marginal for the reasons previously stated, which is like, you will never come back to a majority. What you will come back to is say who Chrissy, you know, has received a

vote from and has not liked at all. So you're keeping say in the game. Mitch, who she also still doesn't want to work with and was kind of put together with on the swap tribe and wasn't with at original C-phase, when she had the choice of who to work with on C-phase, she did not choose Mitch. She chose the people who are in the strong Alliance. She chose Kyle and Camilla and David. So Mitch, say Star, who she seems to be working pretty well with. We don't know much about that relationship herself.

Maybe Cedric, who she has worked with in the past, very likely to go home as they're saying correctly, maybe Mary, which I highly, highly doubt. And that's the six. Um, if they have, I mean, again, and they're probably not likely, if that's the five, five would be enough because Mitch has a blocker vote. But then that includes Mary, which they probably don't have. So I think actually I want to talk about how David has maintained Mary and how Mary's done a good job to really being like a proxy to the strong group

here, because I think she's actually really, really key. But they can't they can't guarantee anything. They can't solidify anything, but they can take a shot. I don't know. It's such a tweener for me in terms of like you will you will make them angry and they will have the power to get you someone like Chrissy who could maybe you know try and like get through the people on the bottom and they take out like a Mitch before her and they've taken out a Cedric and she's trying to like make sure shit to be the last one standing which can be an okay spot but it's super super passive

and you're relying on them splitting versus taking a shot. And then maybe they unite against you. Maybe you just upend everything into chaos, or maybe more likely when threatened people only as we've seen with, with the threat of randomness, people only kind of consolidate more. So the more I talk about it, I'm like, I think I got in my head that they could do it. At first I was like, definitely no on the rewatch. I was like, do it. You're talking about the issue.

But now I'm just like, they have nothing. Because I think this Onion Alliance of the Milkship Alliance has really done so well at having such a good core. They definitely have a Camilla. They have all the people on the outer. They have people clearly on the bottom. They just have so many numbers. And then the show has obviously helped them maintain. They've done a very good job themselves.

But obviously even the twists lend themselves to people wanting to like cling to this massive vote. So I just think it's, yeah, maybe there was nothing there. Do you see anything there for them or am I, it's just, there's nothing there. I just, I think it's tough. I mean, and I think part of what reinforces the, the social structure of, of how this typically goes, which is like the big majority of all the cool kids, strong people is that-

Is that anyone? Deserving ones. They chose each other and everyone else is just the people that weren't chosen as, Big Brother might call them the leftovers, which sometimes are able to come together in a power alliance. But the majority of the time,

it's just like, it's just the people that are left over. And that's, that can be a real ragtag group of people and trying to form any kind of coalition with them to win power. It could be very tricky when you have, say, say, uh, and say, Cedric, uh, trying to get them to work together on the same team as Mary and all of these other potential outsiders and say is casting rogue votes for Cedric to get her licking. It's like, is this a group that we can take control with or will this immediately fall apart? And those people who are clearly hapless to some degree in terms of like building power and a group of themselves

are not the people who are likely gonna take the fall for this, it's gonna be the organizers, the ones that tried to make this power move with their votes that are gonna be taken down first. And so, yeah, I just think it's really tough, especially when you know that Eva has an idol and that makes it even harder. And like, you know, like where do you even go from here?

You can't even talk to the other side to get a sense of like, if they'd be okay with it. Ideally, if you make this kind of a move, you do it with some of the people who are in power because they're willing to cut one of their own. And then that gives you some leverage in the future. Like there's just different ways this could go, but in the spot where they are with the information

they have and the ability to communicate to the people that they are able to communicate with, it's just, I think, a tough ask. And I certainly don't think I could fault them for playing it safe here. Yeah, I mean, as annoying as this Milkship Alliance is, it also is very good. Like, I think we really have to credit

how well they've done to maintain the structure, at least through two episodes and three votes, to the point where, to be fair, like we're saying that should they flip on everyone? Like, not only can they not do that, but even when trying to internally flip, like even when Kyle, in that alliance with Camilla, is looking to target Jaheem, even he trying to internally flip, like even when Kyle in that alliance with Camilla is looking to target Shaheen, even he needs to bring

in David. That's the level of kind of control here where it's like you can't even flip on the Alliance without the stay of the rest of the Alliance. So I think that they have done a really good job because as you're saying, it's such a good point that of these leftovers, what do they have in common? Well, they're not the people on top in an Alliance they don't know exists. And I've definitely spent a lot of this with straight and survivor season being like, you guys are on the bottom, just work together, do the thing, time over the top in structures they can't see because they don't know who's getting the most professionals in a way we

can see. Maybe they should be able to, but again, their, their read on that, it has not been clear. And what do they have in common? Like not a lot. They literally are just the people that have been left out for being probably, especially in this, as you're saying, in this cool kid's kind of left out for being probably, especially in this, as you're saying, in this quite cool kids kind of structure, for being kind of a mess, you know? Like definitely like with Se and like their relationships with each other are actively

negative compared to what are like the best relationships we see that everyone has. Now you said like Se had to get a licking with Cedric, okay that is Cedric's closest alliance, okay? So that actually is true, that was a complex bond but it was a true bond but was it. But was it simple? No. But that was his closest allies. But if you look at Chrissy, again, her allies are like these SIVA people who are largely probably also like a David and a Kyle and a Camilla. If you look at Star, I think Eva did a really good job having someone like Star, coming back with someone like Star because she could try and make a move like this and try and pull people over. And I feel like she's at least like she someone will make big moves. I mean, she'll give her idol away. Maybe that was kind of more of a personal thing to do. But Star,

I feel like you Star is not going to take this lying down. Like if she felt like she needed another pass. So I think they've done well to kind of consolidate Star with with Laggy. Mitch also was trying like who were the people in SEVA when they were trying to get across David and Kyle. Those are Mitch's relationship. So even Cedric, I mean, Cedric we've seen with Starz. Cedric, we can talk about Cedric. Cedric hasn't known anyone, but like they, but they don't have good relationships with necessarily each other. And if anything, it's all been chaos through people who have had to go to multiple tribal councils when it was like a 2-1-1 when, say, Cedric, Mitch and Chrissy, who

all could be in this group, put together, like, you know, chaos, not like unified, not compared to people who've never barely ever had to vote at all, let alone together and create these fractures. So, yeah, it's just not there, is it? I thought I watched the first one, I thought maybe, and then the second time I was like, do it, and then I was like, no. Even then I was like, I don't know, I think it kind of feels like the kind of thing where you might like throw a rock at the bully and then the bully is just like gonna like run after you and just like crush you. And that is probably how that would go. So they have to wait for a passive flip that is going to complete, you know, passive for them are completely on the terms of the the power people with each other, I'm sure. And then hope that and hope it just just pray, pray to not be on the bottom of that. Just pray, pray to not be on the bottom of that. Yeah, I mean, especially in, again, in the new era of Survivor, the meta of it is usually,

it usually gets quickly to, let's cut off the head of the strongest person. And so you do have options for people who are on the outs, but it does require survival to get to that point. And then the ability to take the opportunity that's given to you when presented. And as we've seen, there's also an archetype of player in the new era that is the person

who tries to capitalize on those opportunities and just consistently fails. So it's not exactly an easy road no matter what you do, but there is usually an opportunity there, although this season seems to be particularly interested in can strong players not do that to each other. And so we'll see if it happens. Not Mitch though. Mitch isn't included in that. Well, he's not a strong player.

He's just a strong player. Yeah, he's just a strong player. Not a strong player, right? Yeah, no, but that makes me a huge target because that's very threatening. Yeah, there's there's so many things here that was so unfortunate. Looking for the ultimate online casino experience, step into the BetMGM Casino app where every deal, spin and goal brings Las Vegas excitement into the palm of your hand.

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Um, he has described it as like, you know, quite a personal thing. Very kind. He's a very kind, clearly like a good human being better than me. See, I wouldn't do that. I would just, I would vote say out at that point once I've voted her for twice, but like good from being good human, not probably the right strategic move, but I saw a lot of what Cedric was doing and I'm really upset about how this went for Cedric because I actually feel like if anyone was kind of screwed by this, like

it's a very unfortunate group for Cedric. I think like definitely saves below him. I think Mitch is below him. So I think like not having either of them as an out really sucked. Like he's like trying to not upend anything. He's going to the people in power being like, I just want to like, you know, play the game and you know, being so, um, so congenial. So I feel really bad for him. And the group that he's with is, you know, the group that ends up dooming him at the point where he, you know, is in like a

five to one vote with no, nothing to play. Should have played a show in the dark. He didn't think about that. That was the one thing. But other than that, he was with someone who he did play her show in the dark, hit one and six was meant to be voted out when Cedric did have control. So that's obviously nothing, and you can't really blame him to the point where she was saved by a show in the dark. And then four people he's never, never met, never spent time with on Tribal,

and not even like Star, who we saw he connected with so effortlessly within a day in the last episode. Star's not even there to vouch for him. Like he has all the people on the top, Shaheen, Camilla, Kyle, and David. He hasn't known them for more than a few days. I just feel like for him, especially, I feel like he just ran out of runway after

playing more survivor in the first two weeks of this game than some people in the new era probably will ever play. Some people in the season will not play as much survivor getting very far in the game than Cedric had to play in these two weeks. I think the edit Cedric got was wild. Uh, like I, I think I edit Cedric got was wild. Like, I think I noticed early on that he seemed to be the central point of his tribe

making pretty much every decision. And yet he was so clearly not the focus of the tribe. And obviously Se was for many reasons, but like we never even really got like the, I felt like I needed to read between the lines to see that he was in control of everything and making those decisions. The show never seemed to explicitly tell me that. Um, and, uh, and that was just, that's just kind of a strange thing to do. Usually that the person in that position is a main character of the early

parts of the season, um, that gets built up and then eventually knocked down. But for whatever reason, Cedric was always just kind of downplayed, a bit low key, which is kind of his personality. So it does make a little bit of sense. He also kind of goes out unceremoniously here. If you know that there's an episode where you lose both, say, and Cedric,

maybe you don't want it to feel like, oh, we just lost two of our biggest and most fun characters or like, whatever. So maybe you downplay him for that reason. Maybe if I'm being hopeful for my draft team Shaheen, maybe you want to downplay Cedric because you don't want to be rooting for Shaheen to go home here. But, you know, I do feel like he probably should have had a bigger edit overall. I think that he, like in terms of him as an individual player, I think that his

impact on the season was, was greater than I think that was shown. Yeah. I mean, well, he's a, as you said, like, I think say is an outlier because she had like historic confessional counts and say, you're so entertaining. She made me laugh out loud. So I mean, you know, ex interview and also just in the episode, which she was like, that was a little dramatic. I love to say as well, and I understand why she got so many confessionals, but I do agree. I think

it's the fact that it's like he won Vula, but Vula is, is gone. You know, like Vula is pretty much extinct. Mary is like the last and she's, and she's never been Vula. You know what I mean? She was technically voted out of Vula. So the Vula stronghold is not something that's going to matter to the second half of the season, but he did win that. He was in control and he had all the power in that group. It just, it doesn't really matter to the end game of the season. So if he's not like hugely popping from a TV perspective, even though I really enjoyed him and he's against like this huge character and

say, I do think it kind of makes sense that way that the structure doesn't need to be told to us in a way that is so important. Like the way we need to know that like Carl and David are at the center receiver. Like we know that and that's going to play out actually more importantly for a tribe that never went to tribal council than Vula, which couldn't stop going to tribal council. So I do think that's a part of it. I do think, you know, it was sad enough to lose both of them. If he has more of an editor, probably makes it a little bit worse. But yeah, I think for him, this was just such an unfortunate spot because I really felt like the Shaheen plan like never had legs.

Like this is why I'm like really playing a show in the dark because even watching it on TV, it's like, yeah, that's what they're going to do. They're going to blow up this alliance that they made an episode ago that's doing really well. That's been really impressive. He went through Kyle's bag. You knew that when you were lying with him and you've bonded with him since. Like it's fine.

It's a really like it's very much future Carl and Camilla's problem. And you're really going to do this without Joe and Eva, which gives you the opportunity, but also all of the anger. Let's start the war now. Let's do it. So like no one is doing that. Like never. And not really, are they not doing it?

They definitely should. The reason that we're saying should other people maybe explode their game to try and take a shot is because this alliance is so powerful and so good for you. So you certainly shouldn't implode your own power structure. So I was just like never at any point that I feel like the Shaheen plan had like a like a leg, not not only legs, but like it didn't even have one leg at all. I mean, I believed that Kyle wanted it to happen. And I believe that because he went out on a limb

and threw out the lie, which I think is a mistake. I think that like, when you make a move like that, he just like left dangling evidence of his malfeasance out in the world without following through on the shot that Shaheen may find out. And that's just like an unforced error. It's just like, you know, I think that you don't do that unless you're serious

about making the move and the fact that it doesn't go through means that like you, you made a mistake. Like you've, you've really, you've introduced some opportunity for, for bad things to happen to you. But I agree. I think that it wasn't really the move in the first place.

Taking out Shaheen, do I think Shaheen is a threat? Yeah, especially given the content we got in the beginning of the episode, where a lot of people seem to want to come to him who are on the, he does seem like the kind of person who could have, or maybe still can, pull together some of the outsiders to make some kind of move.

And not only is he capable of it, but I think he's willing to do something like that. I think Kyle has the right read on him in that sense. But I think that taking a sort of like half effort attempt at creating a lie, and I don't even think you needed to create a lie. I think that you can just tell David, yeah, he looked through my bag when I was at that camp.

Yeah, the bagging is, yeah, that is suspicious. That feels sketchy and not really, I think, in line with how David would wanna play the game. And, oh, they lied to us a bunch when we were in that camp. And we took out Thomas, but we got by by the skin of our teeth. And I think that he's still like super locked in with Joe and Eva.

And that means that we need to be careful and we need to be thinking about when we might wanna take a shot at some point, should we do it now? I just don't think coming up with a lie about him having an idol makes a ton of sense, especially because now the fingerprints are like lead right back to you. We might not be seeing all of this, all of the details of this.

But it just felt a little sloppy. It felt a little bit like we've done really well so far. We can do anything. And I was like, well, can you? Yeah, they're as bored as the viewers, maybe I think. And it's been one episode to be fair. But I do think it is funny. It's like, let's make up a lie. It's like they went

through your bag and they voted you out of the game. Like you had an idol. That could be it. But the thing is you've since bonded, right? And that's what was so amazing is like they overcame that like massive gap. They bridged all of that, um, to be there's a lie. So it's kind of hard to be like, but they did do that. It's like, well, you knew that when you got into bed with them to begin with. And like, I do wonder how kind of public the bag, I can think, I think Cedric, someone in the X interview I think mentioned about Carl, I mean, she and going through Carl's bag. So it might, that might be already kind of something that's been discussed and kind of like,

you know, that's fine. It's fine when, when people do things that we decide to find in the deserving Alliance. So David's probably been like, I've cleared it, it's gone to the council and I've cleared the big bag thing was okay, but what else do they have? Um, I do wonder if it's like Was this so much about like I agree it was a mistake But I think it's a mistake maybe in a different way like less of a loose end and maybe more just like of a bad read I think if Carl's looking at Shaheen like one of the things that makes Shaheen a threat to Carl Is that what I find fun about this in life is like their mirror images of each other

like David and Joe are like the laghi Siva mirror images of each other where they like actually are like, I actually will do the honor and integrity thing of four hour alliance till the bitter end and like I think Joe would genuinely go home for it. Maybe, maybe David, I think David maybe, I don't know, maybe like maybe he seems like really committed to the cause, but like Carl and Shaheen as the other kind of like two guys in this alliance are like, until when? Like they're like the little like devil on the shoulder of each like the Siva Lagu side. So I think that they should be wary of each other because it's like they are each other. So I think that's fun. Um, but yeah, I think that we have to remember as well that like there was a close Siva four that was probably mostly David, Kyle, Camilla, and then like a Chrissy.

And I do wonder if it's like, is it putting it out now and then not doing it, so leaving a loose end or is it putting it out for the future, assuming he will choose Siva and just being like, let's think about this, let's be in talks about this for a time. Now, the issue I would have with that is I don't think that David will choose Siva. Everything at least we seem to know from him is like very set on this like milkship alliance. But I do wonder if that's more what it is. It's not that they left a loose end. It's that they don't see David as a loose end.

They think David will be with them. And that bad read is my criticism more than like, you try to do it, didn't do it. Because for them it's like, okay, but it's still in motion. Let's think about it for the future. We'll circle back tomorrow. Well, that's kind of, I think what I mean though, where it's like, I think that if you go to David

and you're like, hey, we're obviously super on board with all the strong guys and how we're doing this. How sure are we about Shaheen? Because I'm just worried that he's not gonna wanna come with us. You know, like I feel like, you know, when I was at his camp, he went through my bag and I just feel like he's a little bit shadier

than the rest of us when it comes to the game. And he might be the one that's willing to cut us strong guys because maybe, and you can get all, as insulting as you want, maybe he doesn't see himself as as strong as us. You know what I mean? Like we're out here performing better in competitions than he is maybe, I don't remember how they're performing.

But like- Yeah, literally that did happen. He was on the bench seeing the theme song while everyone else was competing. The other four, five person strong alliance were all competing out there. Yeah, so like continue to feed into the ego of the strong guy players and like.

That should be enough. He folded before all of us in the challenge. Like, isn't that how we're deciding things? Just like we'll do it on who, you know, we'll literally do it in just a challenge order. Yeah. And I think that like, if you, and maybe he is doing that as well.

And maybe he's just like not getting any response from that. And that's why he's going over the top and coming up with a line as well. But like the lie about the idol worries me because it's the kind of thing that David might inadvertently reveal. This isn't something that like needs to be hidden, but like, hey, we're worried about Shaheen because he might have an idol. To me, that's something that David in the hopes of clearing things up might just go to Shaheen and be like, hey, we've been hearing that you might have an idol. To me, that's something that David, in the hopes of clearing things up, might just go to Shaheen and be like,

hey, we've been hearing that you might have an idol. I just wanna keep everything on the up and up. Like, what are you thinking? Do you have an idol? Like that sort of thing. And she's gonna be like, no, where did this come from? And like, things can get messy in that way. I think you, with a player like David,

you just wanna make sure that you are being clear about like how you're communicating to him and the ways that he might then relay that information to other people. And so maybe it's not what I said, maybe it's something different depending on how you think he's going to handle that information. But I think the lie in particular is dangerous because it's a lie. And because David, if he talks to Shaheen, can clear it up with Shaheen and make David trust Shaheen even more and start to be wary of you. Whereas if you tell him the truth

or things that could be perceived as the truth, there's not a lot that Shaheen can do to dispute that. And now all of a sudden, even if they do talk, it's not like, oh, well, it's a lie, it's cleared up, don't worry about it anymore, it's still something. So that's part of why it worries me. Well, they did say like, he hung back so he could have an idol.

Like they left that plausible deniability. However, any ally who heard that would be like, why would, I mean, Camilla did it. So Camilla, to be fair, isn't aligned with't, you know, aligned with Shaheen. However, that could make her a target of the group. So she's actually technically in a more vulnerable position if they are misreading David's priorities, which I think they are. And I also think it's like, okay, fine, you didn't lie about him. But if you were to hear that, it's like, oh, Camilla thinks you could have an idol because you hung back at the well. It's like, well, okay, yeah, actually, she is

separately aligned with Shaheen in the kind of new group that they made, not the stronger group. So that could break that connection. That could make them more vulnerable to being outside of the power group, even if she has individual other alliances with the people all in the power group. I'm not just with Kyle, but yeah, I think that you as an ally of Shaheen or someone who, you know, has the power to try and take out someone like Camilla might be like, why would you assume the worst me? Like, why are you starting rumors about me? Like, it's not a lie,

but it's a weird assumption to make where I don't have an idol. So why would you even start that rumor? Why wouldn't you come to me as an ally to be like, hey, I noticed you hung back. Like, let's talk about it. Let's do something with this. But like, no, you just took it to someone else on like something incredibly vague and minor, which even might be a lie, to be fair. We don't know if you hung back at the wealth. And it's very, very thin. So yeah, I don't like it. I think the issue is like, if you can't do it without David, I mean, you better be reading David right. If you're reading David completely right and he's a vault, then I think it's better. But I think that you're not reading him right. As you're saying, there could be issues to just the way that he plays in that really

kind of truthful way that are other issues. Like, I think you just need to find another way around it. And I don't, I think Shaheen is a threat, but like, Karl and Camilla have a lot of power as well. Like, I don't think he's threatening enough right now to put as much kind of on the line for Shaheen. I think we kind of see where that goes and probably like create a coalition at a future point with or without David, depending on how you can read what he'll do. But like

I don't think it's kind of necessary to start like dipping your toe into that right now. Yeah, I agree. I think it's just too early. And like I said, with the meta of Survivor and the new era often being cut down the tallest head, if you start that now at the final 12, that's a lot of heads that will be cut down and you are a tall head yourself. So like, I think if you're a player like Kyle or Camilla, you wanna delay that for a little while. You wanna delay it for a bit

so that you take down a lot of the smaller targets until you get to a place. As long as you're, as long as you're maintaining your ability to take the strike when you need to, it's much better to take it later than sooner, I think, in this particular position. Yeah, which is literally the whole point of the Alliance. So yeah, and it's working really well and we're commending it as annoying as it is in various ways. For the people on the bottom, I think this is so interesting because of the way that

the bottom can just kind of shuffle and how being at the top and the bottom of the bottom can be a, you know, you're out next versus a game winning move. Now, Mary Anne was like on the side of the power group in 42, but we know that Taku were really deciding a lot and they were protecting her. But I think she did a lot of good work there. I remember when she like set up for Ryze and they're like, well, we can't target her now. Like she made things easy on herself and made those like small positioning moves,

which I really enjoyed through 42 and had the covert protection of Taku as well. And if you're someone like maybe like a star, you might be looking at that being a position. If you're someone like a Chrissy, like maybe that is your shot and maybe it's why you don't up end things. Because if you can try and it's not even passive, if you can defensively up your position to be like the closest to the power group when they eventually do crack, you'll definitely still be there and you can maximize on it even though you're waiting for them to do it, which might seem passive again, you're contributing defensively to that. And that's how Marianne won the game. And that's the difference between being like a Chanel and a Mary Anne. And so that's very, very important here. And I think that some people are doing that really well. And I really want to commend Mary on this

because I feel like Mary, like David is Mary's lifeline. I think that that's like a key connection and David's very important. And I think what's so interesting is like, we're going to tell Cedric that the name is Shaheen. And like David backs Mary on that. He's like, well, to be fair, if he plays a show in the dark, he won't have a vote. Okay. But then like, who would go home? She should

be like, but just because it's my name, it's not me. He can't say that because it's like, but Mary would go home, right? Like Mary should be the decoy. Mary for me makes sense in like a, the way that just, you know, deciding between Say and Mitch is going to be Cedric or Mary would be the thought. So the fact that firstly, they're not even having that conversation because she's so not an option. And secondly, she doesn't even become what should be like a clear decoy to Cedric, I think is hugely in her favor. The fact that she puts out Shaheen's name, you're the last laggy, it's like, hey, those on the dynamic even remotely, but sure, we'll give them that. It doesn't make sense. It's never

going to happen, as we're saying. It kind of leads to like, maybe we'll talk about Shaheen, which is terrible. Like don't put someone's name out there, especially for the people on the bottom. So the fact that Cedric doesn't vote for Mary, I think is really, really positive for her and how she's like really just attached herself to this group, which again can be the difference between a game winning and your next boot type of move. Yeah, in a way that I think is really good. And we even see that if Cedric can wear anything from the group that he barely knew and Mary voting him out, maybe it's a little bit, I mean, there was, it was never going to happen. There was nothing for him.

But the worst thing that happened to him in this episode was that like, say did. Put a petty vote on him. And it did kind of start a conversation around Cedric. Like you see the way that the people on the bottom, just like Mitch is close with charity, so he's left out. Now he's on the bottom. Now he's like mostly on the bottom. I have to say like all of that.

I think contribute to the way that the bottom is ordered. And I think like Mary is winning that race, which honestly can be a race to winning the game depending on what the majority decides to come. Yeah, I agree. I mean in terms of the like the vote thing, it actually can be like a pretty big like bomb onto someone's game where like, if they don't handle it properly, like if Cedric comes back and he's like,

who voted for me? I wanna find out who this is. It's not just scary for the person who did vote for him. It's scary for anybody because who knows who he might suspect? And so now I'm, I didn't vote for Cedric, but now I have to talk to him and make sure he doesn't think it's me. And I feel less secure in my relationship with Cedric all of a

sudden. So, you know, I think that if you do, if you are in a situation like that, it is very important that you like shore up your relationships and you're like, I'm 100% sure that you did not do that. You know, even if you aren't sure, it's still, I think, a good thing to say that out loud. And so, but yes, when it comes to Mary, I think that she's playing a very scrappy game and she's really managed to claw her way to survival at every opportunity. And I think that speaks a lot to her game sense. I think edit wise, I feel like she's disappeared into the fold a little bit over the last couple of episodes after some really, really visible episodes in the pre-merge. So I'm not sure what that means for her long-term in the

edit. I don't think she's out of it, but I could definitely see her being a winner candidate. I think that she is definitely primed to be in a position to potentially be the person that benefits from the big group cannibalizing. Because she is the only person left who she I mean, she has no nobody from from her tribe is left. So like even people like Star or Chrissy, they have connections to other power players, which makes them dangerous to the other power players. If I wanna weaken David and Kyle, I might take Chrissy out being like, hey, she's not on our alliance, right?

So it's fine to take Chrissy out in the hopes that we're now taking a number away from one of them. And that doesn't hurt, theoretically, Mary as much because she doesn't have as much of a visible connection to anyone else. It also makes her the easiest to take out if they don't wanna offend anyone.

But I think, as you mentioned, she's done a good job of like ingratiating herself enough that it's like, well, I don't want this to happen. Uh, and so it makes it less easy, which is very important for a position like that. Yeah. I mean, look at the way the day was projecting her again, more covertly, they have a very mutually beneficial relationship, but I don't think it's as obvious because it's not on those tribal lines.

Like the fact that David doesn't have Mary get up after that conversation and say to Shaheen, like, we'll tell Cedric it's Mary. It's not going to be your name. Don't worry about it. I know that it's not about like, you know, we don't need your name out there at all. Of course, like if you play this on the dark, it's whatever. But like he probably doesn't have an idol. But like, even if it's no risk to you, we don't need your name out there. We don't need you to be the one that people target. We're not even starting that conversation. I'll tell Cedric that it's Mary. He doesn't do that.

He's like, yeah, no. Um, if she, if he plays a shot in the dark, then you, then he'd be there on no votes. It's like, okay, but just tell me then that the target would be Mary and not me. And I don't know, maybe it would be Shaheen and he's, he's the other name now spoken about. That's the conversation we're having, which we're saying is like incredibly bad for the people on top, like, yeah, if Cedric hits his shot in the dark, vote out Mary.

Would they? I don't know. Um, so that's, that's very good for Mary and kind of concerning for the whole majority, cause I don't think that's the right decision. Maybe, maybe not for David. Like that is a good ally for David, but yeah, no, I think David should probably keep the Alliance intact that he's like the architect of, and that is like mostly benefiting from it, but even then I see maybe maybe Mary is getting more from this because that is like some pretty hardcore defense more than she's giving to David as a number,

even though that is helpful to him. She's really being protected. And I think that is to her credit. She's done very, very well with that. Yeah, because I getting your name out there is is not a good thing. And that's what say does to Cedric here. And I feel like it was funny to blame it on charity because charity votes for say, say saying she votes for charity. So that completely changes, you know, like it should be like she should have put it on someone who technically voted for her.

Am I right about this? Yes. Because she's saying it's yes. No, she, if she voted for charity, she thinks she voted for charity. So she's okay. Can you help me with this? What you're saying is that that by her saying she voted for charity, like that's, she's like not accounting, like the votes aren't there.

Somebody, theoretically somebody that voted for charity is lying because those numbers aren't matching up. Exactly. Charity obviously couldn't have voted for charity. Therefore charity is not lying or you know, you can't misrepresent charity's vote because she couldn't have voted for herself. And you know that one of the charity votes is the one that's lying. But that does require an amount of cognizance of like where all the votes were

that I'm not sure all the players have. OK, thank you. Is it she needs to put the blame on somebody voted for charity because she thinks you voted for charity. So those should be the soft votes. OK, thank you so much. My brain malfunctioned, but she's putting it on charity. Charity convert for charity. We got there in the end, mostly thank you to Taran, 100% to Taran. Thanks, Taran. But yeah, so that, I mean, for 13 votes, you can't, and that's one of the mass vote issues here. Yeah, I mean, and say in general, say probably has a little bit more to wear than Cedric. Like, say made a lot of enemies even on the other tribes in a way that Cedric,

I feel, didn't. Say also had the best possible out in having Mitch. Like, if anyone else was going to go, it probably could be Mitch. So that was kind of an interesting thing for me, although I do think that, like, it made so much sense to vote out Say because also they're probably going to play their show in the dark. And the fact that Mitch can, like, shore up blocking her votes, if she does a play show in the dark, that makes it like just a sure thing. Although to be fair, if she plays a show in the dark, they just vote out the other one. Does it really matter?

My God, they had it locked up. I mean, what did you think between Say and Mitch's options? I mean, the thing is, if I am Joe and Eva, and I'm like, you know, in a position of power. I would probably lean toward voting out, say, depending on how I saw like relationships. Like Mitch is a more dangerous player because he's better in challenges and he's, you know, got better social connections, theoretically. The tricky part is, does he have good enough social connections where

he becomes threatening? Are other people going to pick him up as a number? If so, then maybe I do want to take out Mitch Oversey. If I feel like the people who would pick Mitch up as a number would be me or something, then keeping Mitch in is better because why bother ever voting out Say, like Say's the kind of player that you might leave around and take a bigger shot. Whereas you can't leave Mitch around quite as much because he's too likable and if he makes to the end, he might win. And he's too good at challenges so that you can't like, if it's near the end game, you can't like leave him around because he might win too many immunities.

And so that provides a viable deterrent to betraying you. The trick to that is that again, you need to make sure that if Mitch does go to somebody or if somebody tries to pick Mitch up, you're that person and not say Shaheen, who he did seem to have a decent connection with earlier in the episode. So I think it really just depends on how you see each player in the game, but I do think there's reasons to go in either direction. I mean, I think that like,

he's such a social threat. It's like the man has no allies. Like you voted out as close as allies. He was on the other side of it. Otherwise unanimous vote. I think that that makes him kind of an open target, but he's more workable. If someone wants him in a sense about who picks him up, I do understand that. But I do think that they do a good job of just like presenting the next spread. And both say and Mitch do work for that about like, that's not that's not all break on each other. We have people on the bottom that we need to take out who are like legitimate targets, because if we take out Mitch, then say is say, she's always so extreme and we need to get rid of her. I mean, she could float

through the end just to be a goat, but it's very, very unlikely. So she's just like such a nuisance to us that we have to take her out. And then like, if we take her out, then Mitch is always going to have all these other threatening things that we can paint, that we can take him out. And like, if he floats to the end, he might win, but he's probably even less likely to float to the end. Neither of them are. So they're both kind of good fodder to keep your alliance intact. So I think kind of like either one is probably fine. I think say has been more on the bottom, say has openly said Eva's name. So for sure, like Eva being there will want to do that, say is much more likely to find an idol. Like say gets things done. So I think I'd always

take out say, I totally get it. But I mean, like, yeah like yeah two EV options I think for the people on the top I do think that Mitch did well here to use the blocker vote um just because if you're worried about that like that could tip the scales like that Mitch has a blocker vote like god only knows what Mitch could do with the blocker vote with again no allies but that's like now threatening we've seen people burn extra votes just to not maybe so like what Maria burned an extra vote just to not be a target at the most I think it was good to burn it as he said it was to build trust. He is gone. If you're showing the dark, dark is hit. So I mean, she can't play on the dark, which she clearly would have done.

So he gives him that like out on the one and six, and he's just never going to be able to do anything else with the block of votes. I think it was a good use of the block of vote. And I think that that tips of scales, because if it's so marginal and there's arguments for both him having the block of vote might be the reason you target him over over saying if he's giving that away and saving the shot in the dark, I think he actually gained a little bit from this actually.

Yeah. I mean, I think there are a couple other options you have. Um, and I'm not sure if they were viable here. It really depends on the person you're talking to, but like he could have, instead of saying, I'll burn this, he could have said, hey, if you keep me, I'll use this to your benefit. I'll work with you. You will have essentially me and my block of vote.

Or you could take it even a step further and say, hey, I will give you my block of vote right now. And then you will have it and nobody will even know that you have it. They'll still think I have it. Or we can publicly say that you have it. Whatever, you know, whatever you want. This is a show of good faith. I'm no longer as much of a threat because I no longer have this block of vote. And now you have the ability to use

it to your advantage at some point in the future. And that's another option. I think the danger with those is that you now present as a threat even more. The fact that you even thought to do that, the fact that you're willing to do something like that, if I'm in Joe's position, I'm gonna start to worry. This is like, Dr. Will is a very famous big brother player, classic tenant of his strategy. He was on Dondi, yeah.

Classic tenant of his strategy, which he did use on Dondi slightly, though it wasn't very effective there, is he is such a known quantity, but he will often just make any deal he can with somebody. The second you say yes to him, he's the devil on your shoulder, he now has leverage on the fact that you've said yes to him.

The fact that you agreed to a deal with somebody outside of your alliance, somebody that you're not supposed to make a deal with, the fact that you now hold his block of vote or have even made any kind of deal with him has is now leverage that, you know, a player like that can use against you. Hey, you know, he made a deal with right. Like, you know, he took my block of vote or whatever the case be. And so, you know, there's always a lot of danger involved in all of that kind of

stuff. But it is an option to think about, again, depending on like who you're talking to. Ultimately, I think this was the right call here because it works, but just to call that out, because it's something that I thought about. Well, I mean, there's a few things. The first thing is like, yeah, as you're saying, that's like a strategic thing to do.

I'm giving you my block of votes, it's like, we're not strategic here. Okay, Mitch did the thing that the moral people should do. He burned his advantages, no advantages ever, except for the people in power. They can have advantages when we know about them and they can win challenges and they can be strong. So Mitch did the moral thing as seen by the moralizers. So I think that that's good.

The second thing is he made say very vulnerable. Now, again, if she does have her shot in the dark and it hits, it doesn't, it already really matters to Mitch who at that point will go home. But we've seen before when you don't have a void, it actually makes you a very vulnerable target. So it's more just like, we have a clear runway. We're never even going to have to re-vote this person is going home. Especially you say who has had trinkets in the past. Like we're really just like, we have the free shot at her.

I think making her really, really vulnerable, um, was good as well. And I think for himself, um, to, yeah, to like have her not play the shot in the dark helps him the most. And I think that if he gives it away, there is the possibility that the moral people are like, but because Mitch is such a threat and we don't like that, they will block his shot in the dark in the future. Like I think that having the list out there like could actually really hurt him. So the fact that he gains a shot in the dark, not being played against him going

home on the re-vote and then I wouldn't want to have, say, have the opportunity to play a shot in the dark. If I'm Mitch there, like I'm throwing a vote. So just being able to have like not have to do that. It would be super, super communal. Um, and then, and they might've count us, I kind of have thought of the number they can do that. They could do like a three, one in case he throws a one, but I would definitely be throwing a vote if she could play her show in the

dark and um, she doesn't have to. So I think that on that alone, like he gains the most, but yeah, I mean not good either way. Like it's a tough spot for Mitch probably. The bottom line is that this block of vote is unlikely ever going to be more useful to him than this moment. Like, especially given his position in the game and the timing of the game, like the block of vote is most valuable on the smallest possible tribe. And even in this spot, it's still not enough for him to make any kind of dent in the numbers.

So being able to use it to guarantee that you don't have to face a one in six shot of a blah of a shot in the dark and also maybe get some social credit and make sure that those go in that direction in the first place is a lot more use out of this than he was likely ever going to get anyway. Definitely. Yeah. He needs like block 10 votes, which is something actually Australian survivors done many times.

So, um, that would be good. That twist would be great. Um, if he could have that to win a challenge to be the only voter. Horrible twist. Wonderful for Mitch. That's pretty much all we have from this episode. We did well with two sleepier votes. I wanted to know what your thoughts have been.

Did you have any like kind of other major thoughts given that you have mostly been like screaming for like any podcast thoughts that you can give here on like some of the other stuff because the pre-merge was finicky like we came in every week just like I actually like monkey board this because I'm like every week I have to come on and talk about the rules at length and talk about these finicky and I did multiple prisoners dilemmas not even just one plural prisoners dilemmas and um and now we're here and I'm like, sleepy, sleepy vote. So there's maybe Goldilocks us a little bit, but did you have any major thoughts on this pre-emerge of two, mostly two Vula members who were taken out of this episode?

I mean, I did say on stream after the Justin vote that I needed to talk to you about it. Yeah, and the fight that was that, that was an episode where I actually wasn't meant to podcast that week because I had my own stuff going on. And then I like we roped in Pooja to just come on because I was podcasting with him about Australian survival because I was like, I was like, I saw the bat signal. I was like, I should really need to talk about this episode. That was true of every pre merge episode. Yeah, not as much true here, but definitely like those, we had so much to figure out then

and we got nowhere. I don't think we got anywhere, but we talked about it. Definitely. Yeah. I mean, I had opinions, but I honestly, I don't remember. I'm pretty sure my thought process was like, it was, it was, it's a silly, it's silly how they did it because of how redundant it was it was it's a silly it's silly how they did it because of how redundant it was like why bother doing uh revotes if it only ever matters how cedric voted in the first yes that

is true yeah we did get there um yeah i i mean it changed my whole thinking of like the revo like i was i had been like the revo because brother, my brother has not started this season. And I'm like, I really have needed you this season. And he's like, I have too much survivor on at the moment. So I'm like, you, you do have too much survivor on anyway. We, we talked about it, but I'm like, we agreed that the 47 revert rules were correct. And now I've like changed my science in it.

Cause I'm like, I think it's making it too tricky. And like, there's so, like, there's so many issues otherwise, but I'm like kind of wary to change my stance. I'm like, will he agree with this when he watches the season? That I've like, I feel like I've like changed like a religious belief. I've like, I've been converted back to the old Revote rules. Like, is that okay? And I feel like I need his permission on that.

So I still don't know where I stand on things, but certainly enough situations came up that my thinking has changed in a row through a, you know, pre-emerge that had barely one majority vote. So, yeah. I think the main thing for me is that it just should be laid out clearly ahead of time. That the players should know exactly how things work so that they can plan accordingly. Like this is another side tangent,

but I watch a lot of competition climbing and there's a lot of different climbing and they, you know, there's a lot of different rule changes that happen. There's been a recent rule change with how bouldering is scored. That if you applied the new way of scoring, it had, it would change results of like previous competitions that like this person that got gold might've gotten bronze instead. And like, but like the thing is that if you know ahead of time that that's how it's scored,

even if it even if there's nothing you can do about it, at the very least, you know, that's what you've got coming in as opposed to like playing a competition thinking it's scored one way and then they change the rules right before the finish. And it's like, no, actually, we scored it a different way is just like they should know exactly how this works before the season even starts. Uh, this is how tiebreak rules will work in every given scenario. Um, and, and quite frankly, we should know too. Um, but, uh, you know, what are you gonna do?

Yeah. Like those, those newer players will also study it at length. We have Australian fiber players who have never heard of what Rox is, but the newer players will know every permutation, but I completely agree with you. It's like, if you were to draft the grenade and then also draft the winner, but then the final two people are the other finalists, Ty, what is it? Is it average draft? These are the questions I had, Tara. This is literally my point. I'm so vindicated. Thank you so much, finicky New Era survivor, for vindicating me at every single turn. Now, Tara, you aren't one of my recap pitches on Australian

survivor, which is what I call the guys in a loving way. Um, every week I came onto the Australian fiber recap with both Huya and Chappelle at separate times. And I was like, at the very end of the podcast, we would do a segment every week where I was like, do you want to gloat about the draft? Because what happened was first, obviously I had the grenade. So at the end, I'd be like, I think at the moment, I'm even made up a little jingle. Um, you can, you can gloat that I had the grenade, so at the end I'd be like, I think at one point I even made up a little jingle. You can gloat that I had the grenade, and then you can gloat that when Justin was voted out, I was like mathematically taken out of winning,

not faster than Puyo in 41, but pretty damn fast. And then when Thomas was taken out, I did get the historically worst draft team in draft history. Would you like now to gloat at this time in the podcast? Uh, I don't, I don't really think like, I, I feel like gloating over someone's failure doesn't make a lot of sense if I haven't succeeded yet. Um, I feel like if I'm going to gloat, it should be if Shaheen wins, you know what I mean? Uh, which I feel okay about right now. I feel like, uh, I'm star and share. I feel like you're a charity. Star and Sharon loves Star. Yeah, I feel like Star might make final three. I'm not sure she has like a winner at it right now,

but I would love it if she did. Even though she's the best and they won't they won't vote. They'll be wrong, but they don't get it. They've never got I get star, you know, when she was like, I I'm going to make final three. I was like, yeah, let's do that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, the fact that you won't gloat, yours were very different from Puyo and Chappelle. And I think does decide the argument we've been having of who the heroes and villains, much like the Avengers are in the draft. And people have like kind of decided, people were between you and Puyo for hero and villain. I said that you, Asia, Liana were heroes

and me, Puyo, Chappelle were the villains. And I think you just proved that like you were included, even though I had a terrible team like it doesn't. You haven't won sure, but you did a lot better than me. Everyone did better than me. It was historically terrible, which is so upsetting, Taryn, because clearly there is a strong man alliance that is just I literally I literally messaged out our draft chat and I was like,

Oh, this is the season with the strong man. Like, finally it happened. I've been waiting for eight seasons. Eight and I don't have any of the strong men. Yeah. In any other draft, I have Dave. I did want Carl to be fair. I didn't get Carl, but I wanted David.

In another, I wanted Carl. I didn't want David. In another season, I have David, Carl and Joe. Right? Like that's how I dropped. This is a season. It's so unfair. Listen, you got bullied out of it. And literally made fun of you enough that you stopped your strategy

right before it was effective. Mean about it. And I was like, firstly, I was like, people can win out. And then Rachel did and won me the draft on that. And then I was like, well, now I can have a little bit of fun. So I didn't go with my usual thing. I went on Pure Vibes which was stupid. I didn't consider physicality even though in hindsight I didn't look at the photos in hindsight Vula were entirely unmatched for this game. I picked too many Vulas um two two of three were my Vula regret and then yeah in another draft I have at least two of David, Carl, Joe.

Yeah, those, yeah, the whole alliance that is currently running the game. I mean, if it helps, if I win with Shaheen, it's because he was once on a podcast where he was a judge for hire and said that one of the people in the podcast should have to eat a pencil. So what? Yeah, I never understood that. When you made that reference. I think I Googled it because I was like, what can you explain it to me now? What was the reference and what was it? I don't

remember what anything happened here. So I listened to a podcast, formerly known as the F face podcast, you know, fill in the blank, rebranded to the regulation podcast after the sale of or the dismantling of roosterteeth, which has Gavin free of the slow mo guys, Jeff Ramsey, formerly of roosterteeth and Chief Hunter and a friend of mine, Andrew Panton, who's a big fan of Survivor. Andrew is full of what they call burger confidence, meaning he thinks that he can make bets about how many burgers he can eat, and he vastly overestimates the amount of burgers he can eat and or the amounts of things that he can do in bets.

He made a bet that if something didn't happen or if he didn't do a thing, it might have been the burgers, he would eat a pencil. And he of course lost the bet and said, I don't want to eat the pencil. And they took him to court. They were going to do a whole mock trial for like, why he should have to eat pencil. And he had defenses planned. And the other guys went on to hire a judge.com or something along those lines to get some like adjudicators and like lawyers to make cases. Shaheen was one of those people.

And he was also, I think, a fan of the podcast at the time. And so they had some audio from him that they played on the podcast recently. And Andrew had reached out to me to say, hey, you'll never guess, but there's a judge in the pencil case that's on Survivor this season. I was like, I have to have him on my team.

Oh my God, does Puyo know that's why? I don't know if I've talked to Puyo specifically about it, but I mean, I was, so then, so here's what happened on the draft is that I didn't really think I would get Shaheen. I thought that like somebody else would pick Shaheen. He seemed like a good, like big top consensus pick anyway. And I was like, I'm just going to jump in with some snippets about like, man, I trust his judgment. I was just going to make some quips. But then all

of a sudden I was first pick and I was like, oh, I guess I'm picking Shaheen then. And then the dreaded question comes from Rob. Why are you picking Shaheen, Taryn? And I have no idea. I barely looked at these people's things. And so now all of a sudden, I'm trying to make my vague jokes, but that's not going to play for a reason to pick the very first person off the draft board.

And so I start to flounder and I crack and I mentioned a pencil reference and that then nobody responds to it. I Googled it after I didn't know what you meant. It's Google did not take me here, by the way. I don't know why people do this. This is great because Andrew then messaged me after he was he was like, I watched your draft and that was the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life.

Can I please play a clip of this on the next podcast? And I did. You played it for Jeff and Gavin, and they were cracking up about how I effaced myself by making jokes that nobody laughed at. I Googled it. For the rest of their podcast. I didn't know what you meant. I swear to God, I Googled it.

I was like pencil eating. I swear I remember Googling it. Okay, so much here. Firstly, the whole story you described is kind of like a parody of someone describing podcast culture. Like how in the weeds, an episode that was like, I don't know what's going on, but then if you would also then play the 15 minute draft conversation we had before this same thing, you could do that on their podcast.

And I'm sure they, when they played the podcast, the draft probably had the same like what is happening here Because the lore is so great. That is incredible. Um, see, this might give you first pick because you're a hero, because then something like this happens, it's root of Apuya, that's just was like a fun little bonus. I wonder if Pooja understands why this happened, he may never talk to me again. Cause obviously it's my fault as the villain, but like, that is absolutely

incredible, but in a different world, I have Shaheen because that's how I draft. I draft Shaheen, Joe, Kyle, David. Literally, that's it. If it helps, I think if you are evil, you're like lawful evil. Yeah, I don't I don't know enough about all of that. Yeah, I think I said antihero. Well, like lawful evil is like like evil, but like bureaucratic more about the rules,

more about like, uh, like figuring out like the details of things. And then probably Chappelle is probably chaotic evil. Yes. And then Puyo is probably more neutral evil. He's not going to like that because he's been complaining recently that every time we try and like fit everyone into a group, we just end up just like shoving Pooja into the last slot. Even though I agree with you that he is neutral evil, it is very, very, very funny that you would say this now because it's been an ongoing issue through

the Australian survivor podcast. I do agree. I think the funny thing about that was that when we talked about it with Pooja, firstly, I was like, how can I be the villain? Because I'm against the villains. Like, you know, how are we, we're infighting. That's our civil war. They're always mean to me.

And then I came out of that podcast and I asked Peter, my loving husband, 12 years together tomorrow, a life spent together, a life built together, the person who loves and knows me more than anyone in the world. And I asked him and he was like, you're a villain. What do you like? You think you can come in there talking about how you're the best all the time and not be a villain? And then he agreed you and Agent Leanna were the heroes. And I was like, I want a divorce. And then he agreed you and Asianly on it with the heroes. And I was like, I want a divorce. And that was that conversation. So yeah, I mean, incredible.

The D the draft law. And if I hadn't given you first pick, that wouldn't have happened. So it all happened as it was meant to, including me drafting the worst draft team in draft history with no strong guys. Justin seems strong. I thought he might be fueled by the power of pizza. It wasn't really Justin's fault. I don't blame Justin at all.

He did apologize. I was like, it's not your fault. It's production's fault. They made ruler untenable. What was the point? Anyway, should we get to the cheesy? Let's do it. Let's do that. Take it away.

Jacob Seger Weinstein and MC color. One, two, three. One, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, two, three. Now this week, I did remember to put, make a slideshow, um, at the very last minute when Taryn was already in the stream and I was already late, my apologies. Um, here's the cheesy charts. Now Cedric and Sey gone too soon,. Leading the Chizzi at different times. Cedric left on 11 points, Sey on nine. Our fallen soldiers. Very upsetting. Taryn, who are you getting points to this week?

Oof, it's a good question. It's a very difficult one because there were two different tribals. And I don't feel like anybody really like stood out strategically because they were both pretty straightforward votes. Yeah. I'm tempted to give David at least a point just for the dominant challenge performance

that I was very impressed by. Although strategically, I'm not sure how like good that is long-term for his game. And this group is fine, right? He's allowed to be good at challenges unlike Mitch, so. Yes, exactly. I definitely am looking at somebody like Mary, who I think did well in a not great position.

And I'd also maybe look at Mitch for the use of the block of vote and surviving this position. Mitch for the use of the block of vote and surviving this position. I think I like that like, you know, we got content from Shaheen that was like, I'm trusting in the relationships that I have. He's ultimately proven right. But the fact that he's in danger at all and doesn't seem to know it, I don't think is a good thing if I'm not looking at the edit. So I think maybe I just go in this direction. I go something like, something like Mitch, Mary, David.

Okay. I see that. I definitely think that the individual moves we've spoken about from this episode, we like that Mary is at the top of the people in the bottom and how well she's done that defensively. We like that Mitch played the vote block. I don't know if you can get three points to someone who was like the other option.

Like if he's in Cedric's spot, he's gone, you know, like he's he's second. He just like he gets lucky by having this shield of of say who just was like that much more of a target for reasons that are very valid in terms of say like what say is doing, not even compared to what like Mitch is doing. Well, yeah, I mean, I think the way I'm thinking about it is that like he was left on the outside of the vote previously. He's a heavy contender to be voted out this week and I think does a good enough job to keep himself off the chopping block by like actively playing his block of vote in the way that he does. I also like what Mary did I feel like I just saw less of it. So it's harder to know how much of it was like, you know,

her choice and what exactly she was doing that was good. But I assume that she was doing good things because of the results. And yeah, just in general, like there's just not a lot, I think, to credit otherwise, but I'm interested to hear what you think. I mean, the fact that you're open to even hearing my suggestions is why you are a hero here compared to what like someone like Puyo will do.

Um, I feel like are you lawful good and what I'm, and then I feel like Asia may be neutral good and then Liana I think is chaotic good. Hmm. Um, I think that's possible. I think I also like, I think I, I think I am lawful good, but I think I might sometimes present as chaotic, but if, especially in the draft when I'm picking on pet peeves and I'm. That is true.

Yeah. I mean, it definitely breaks my brain. So maybe we aren't connected on that one, but look, okay. I see your points. I think it's fine. I think for me, I'm only going to go with the people in the milk ship Alliance, even though I like what Mary's doing on the side. And that should be kind of be the one thing that's getting a cheesy point just for like

good, like small move. I mean, it's the most she can do. I'm not criticizing it in any way. I'm just saying that like, even then it's still like, hold, like holding on defensively to the big group. I'd like to see how that plays out further and give a point for that kind of like in the future when it like pans out. At the moment, I kind of feel like I can only like in the future when it like pans out at the moment.

I kind of feel like I can only give to the milk chip Alliance because it's so dominant and I feel like they need to be racking up points here. Like the fact that like David, Joe Shaheen are like so low on points, like they're completely dominating. So I feel like I'm, I need to up those points. So I'm giving three to David. David needs to get points for the fact that this Alliance fully helps him in a different world.

Like if we are looking at like very old school type merge boots, like it always is a David, he looks like Gaston. So I think that the fact that he's protected here and actually in a powerful position, the fact that Carl won't do anything, Carl and Camilla without going to him, he has so much power. The fact that Mary's power that we're talking about crediting is through David. He has an enormous amount of power. It might be annoying people, but it's certainly true. So I'm giving him three points. Then I'm looking at the other points. I feel like it's kind of unfortunate that Jaheen,

who's also a part of this, has two points. And I think that while he was left out of, well, not left out of, he was outvoted in the one pre-image tribal he went to. He was in a good spot on the original Laghi. He's in a good spot here, but I can't give him points when he's like the one really being looked at out of the group. So I can't give it to Shaheen. Carl's certainly gotten enough from this alliance and we don't love the way that he went about this vote either, as well as much as he made the right decision. We thought it was messy that he got there. The destination was good. The journey was bad. It's not Carl. I'm going to end up then probably giving my voice to the rest of this, um,

strong person Alliance. We have two votes to Eva who does have a public idol. And again, like in a different world, maybe she is, is targeted. Um, and isn't, um, so I mean, obviously David and Joe are immune here and can't be targeted, but the intention is never going to be there. There's so much power. So Eva's vulnerable technically has an idol we're like talking about. Should they ever come for her?

And it's like, no, they shouldn't because she's amassed that level of power and control, and I have to give two points to that. So I'm giving two points to Eva. And then I'm going to give a point, I think, to Joe. Yeah, he's at the center of everything. He as well could be a target. He's immune, true. No one's looking at Joe.

No one's looking at them at all. We're talking about Say or Mitch. And we're probably right too, because they're so depowered. And I have to just credit the people at the top of that for as long as they maintain that power. I'll probably keep giving them points. At the point where they're cracking and someone like Mary is benefiting to her complete credit because she's earned that, Mary will get points. But those are my points for now. And I think, yeah, I think that's all I can kind of give. So it does kind of put, yeah, David up to what, like a seven, Joe up to four, Eva up to eight, Mary up, did you give Mary two points, Mary up to five, and then actually had no points. So he's on three points. And I think, will Mitch like that? I think Mitch only knows about the fishing, he complains about the fishing. Well, he got three points. That also is first three points when we don't tell Mitch about the chivvy. And that is where we're currently at with the chivvy. Karen, thank you so much. We got, we got as much as physically possible, I think, out of this episode. I think we did well. Yeah. Yeah. I think we got a lot out of it. So happy to be here. To learn about the

draft lore and what you were doing after. It settles my OCD because I did Google it and I had to just let it go, but I'm really, really glad I got to. If you want, I can send you the clip from their podcast so you can laugh at me. Oh, I'd love that, please. And give me, yes, I would, yes, very, very interested. Taryn, thank you so much.

Where can people find you in your stream as Survivor and everything that you've got going on? Yes, Twitch and YouTube, Taryn Armstrong. I'm watching the episodes live. So basically I'm just streaming've got going on. Yes, Twitch and YouTube, Taron Armstrong. I'm watching the episodes live. So basically I'm just streaming all the episodes on. I can't show the episode. I will occasionally show you where I am in the episode. But if you're watching it live

and you wanna watch it with other people, sometimes you don't even have to listen to me. You can just be in the chat and just hang out there. It's like a pretty cool place to be. So we also run predictions about like, like who's gonna win immunity, when is the commercial gonna come, stuff like that. It's a good time so you can come and hang out over there. You can also watch after the fact if you want.

The streams are saved on YouTube now. And I do other stuff on there and I talk about scripted shows and I do all kinds of fun stuff elsewhere. So you can find all of that. Were you guys enjoying the challenge segment? Did that work for you? The very new era meta?

I mean, they packed in like an overload. I do love meta things, believe me. I grew up on community and scrubs, but was that working for you? All of the little challenge gimmicks they were doing? Like, choo, ta ta ta ta ta. Yeah, all of that with Shaheen and then like the, you know, apply now.

Like there was so much of it. I really liked the music stuff from Shaheen and then like the, you know, apply now. Like there was so much of it. I, I really liked the music stuff from Shaheen. When Jeff did the apply now, I was like, okay, they're really getting meta with this. Um, but I didn't go too far. I, I still enjoyed it. I still have a good, had a good time. It's nice when it feels like Jeff is having fun. I think you're probably maybe annoyed some people cause it was so much around the

challenge strengths of the strong challenge people, which it feels like is really kind of blocking up the game in a moralistic way that people hate. But this was the most fun we could have with that challenge strength kind of aspect of it. So I enjoyed it. It's maybe the most enjoyable part of the episode, which is not the best from a challenge perspective,

which I usually care less about. But anyway, follow me at Shannon Gates, we know global survivor.com for all of this. Next week, I will have to restore talking about the episode eight. And then I'm going away for three weeks. So no one's allowed to do any strategy while I'm gone. The Milkship Alliance, you better block it up. Take it down to the end. I don't want anyone flipping because I don't want to have FOMO missing it while I'm in Europe and the UK. So just saying that, but yeah, I'll be covering Australian Survivor. Finale week is happening episode 23 with Pooja.

And then I can say this now as well. The finale recap with Mike usually will have special guests. The aforementioned villains of Chappelle and Pooja will be coming back to talk about the whole finale. We're going to do that live Monday night ET, probably around nine 30 ET and then Australia time. That's 1130 AM on a Tuesday. So try and like take a sneaky early lunch break maybe so you can hang out in the chat with us to talk about the finale. Finale feedback show. I will have Mark and Eden to talk about that.

We'll have X interviews already talking about the deep dive. So yeah, a lot of content coming your way for all of that. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you, Taryn, for joining me in our seasonal tradition. Thank you to our team behind the scenes and I will see you next time. Bye. The adventure of a lifetime.