RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor Global: Survivor 49 Ep 2 with Laura Noonan

Episode Date: October 3, 2025

Survivor Global host Shannon Guss speaks to Survivor AU Brawn Laura Noonan about episode 2 of Survivor 49. They talk about the journey mechanics and decisions, gaming a possible swap, the physical elements of the new era and beyond.

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Hi, Spoke. Hello, everyone, and welcome to RHAP's coverage of Survivor 49 for Survivor Global. I'm your host, Shannon Gass, here to talk about episode two of Survivor 49. Some interesting stuff happening, and the most exciting part of all of it is that I have a wonderful guest. We are keeping the Laura train running. We're keeping the brains be drawn to train running. We're just rolling on to another great guest. in Laura Nuna.

Nuna, thank you for being here. Whoa, I'm so excited. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I'm so excited to have you because I know you're a huge fan. Like, Brayley Bronteau really carried the fandom of Australian Survivor, I feel, in like having a lot of fans,

which is so unlikely on Australian Survivor. So it's good for my guest list, though. Yeah, I loved it. I think watching so many years, you want to see someone that loves it just as much as you do out there. And I think having like me, Miles, like you could tell that we absolutely

adored the show. I think fans really love that. So I love that. Yeah. How have you been feeling about Survivor 49? So far, I'm intrigued. Am I entertained the whole time? Probably not. But I'm intrigued at this like slow burn. I feel like it's a slow

burn. I just want it to burn hotter and quicker and faster. Yeah, kind of like Keller. Like we're looking for the flint, you know, to ignite the season. And that isn't happening as yet. I thought this was interesting. I thought the journey was interesting. I thought Hina coming first despite having the disadvantage was honestly super compelling. And I'm like now two episodes in a row, I'm feeling like the challenge moments are the most interesting part.

And maybe that's an endowment on the season. The vote itself wasn't that interesting. I didn't think, like, to me, this was such a clear Annie Boot from the first couple of minutes that even when Hina had the disadvantage, I was like, well, what is happening here? Because I can't imagine, like, they go to tribal, that Sophie goes. like it kind of took a little bit out of the thing out of them winning although it was so impressive because I just felt like beginning to end this was Annie's Swan song so like the voice was kind of met Jawan had some interesting decisions in terms of the journey like there's stuff there it's always a fun car so like there's stuff to unpack yeah waiting

there's definitely stuff to unpack I think the the narrative of this season is at a slower a pace, but I just think that'll build for some really interesting moves because it seems like they've all had a lot of time together, even though they've only had five days, especially for our stunning yellow inner tribe. I thought the, yeah, the disadvantage was interesting. Their worst enemy is coconuts, so they don't have like a lot to battle right now except for that disadvantage, which was crazy. And they still won. They still won. They weren't, it wasn't even like, Yeah, or the blue trap is like sadness from inside out. Yes, that's very fair.

I said to Peter, I'm like, look, I don't care about the challenges, but that was damn impressive that they did that. But then it does make you think. And there's always discussion about this. And the upsetting thing is we've talked about it for nine seasons and we'll continue to talk about it. Like one of the worst things about the monotony of the new era is that it like enforces the monotony of the commentary, I think.

I say that as a commentator and I don't want to like put it on us as commentators, but we have to keep having the same discussions because they keep putting the same structure in front of us. We've talked about it for so long, like the cascading effect, the domino effect of you, how you cannot dig yourself out of the hole of not having Flint, I'm not having supplies. They don't have a machete. They can't form sentences, the poor sad, sadness, Kellea tribe. And how can they do a puzzle in that situation? Like they said, they haven't eaten in days. Like we see Uli at least get like a massive crab. So I think that it made me wonder, if you can physically see more keys, nine more keys as a disadvantage

in a challenge and 10 kilos of coconuts on each tribe member's back. I don't want to say that's not a huge disadvantage and they also beat Uli. so it was very impressive. But what is the comparative coconut ratio on your back of not having had fire for five days? Like what is that physical disadvantage that we just can't physically see in comparison to like something that we saw Hina have in this challenge? And who's measuring that? Who's saying 10 kilos will have enough of effect?

on them to potentially lose. I think, yeah, I don't think there's a comparison in the disadvantages. Carrying 10 kilos of coconuts for maybe an hour, depending on how long the challenge goes for, is nothing compared to not having fire. Like not having food is crazy. You could, they could, she could, poor, Sophie couldn't even speak like at all. Like what, at what level of entertainment are you going to get out of a tribe that

can't formulate sentences. If they're not, they can't put a sentence together, they're not putting a blind side together. And you saw them sort of like, even the weight of secrecy, like even the weight of Alex finding the beware advantage, he couldn't bear himself. He had to tell four other people.

Yeah, I think that a disadvantage pales in comparison to carry 20 coconuts and having extra keys. I'm thinking about, yeah, I was thinking, about this a lot over the last, like since watching the episode last night. And I think, you know, because there are disaster tribes in three tribe seasons before the new era without these, you know, functions of like keeping the flint and not giving people supplies and also reward and immunity being combined so that if someone wins immunity, they also win reward.

You know, there's obviously, we see Matt Singh, we see lose on, the brains be born. Like, there is obviously, like a mental effect to also losing. all the time. It's the fact that Kelly keeps saying, like, was zero for five, like they're so in their heads about it. I think that matters as well. But for me, it's not just on looking on the stats. Like, the stats of now two-thirds of seasons in nine, we've had disaster

tribes. So, but it's not even just on that stats. It's looking at specific situations where it's not just like a weaker tribe that's in their head that can't get it done, like a lose-on and brains be brawn. I think it's like you look at specific situations like this. If Taylor have eaten, can they do that puzzle? I don't know their puzzle

abilities, but I have to think it matters. Like if they're against a tribe with a disadvantage and they have that much of a head start, I think that that is a material difference that is being changed here by the lack of resources that they have. I look at the swap tribe from last season that has Joe, Kyle, Camilla and Shaheen, yeah, very strong tribe. And even they lost because they came into a worse camp that hadn't had the supplies. They didn't have Flint. that was to me the greatest indictment on this twist because that made no sense and of course everyone can have a bad day but it would seem so driven by the circumstances that they were in

so it's not just like even looking at the staff and being like well there are you know this amount of three tribe disaster tribes pre and post new era I think it's looking at specific situations like this where the tribe is saying that they're going to die you know so I think things like and I think that shows in these specific situations that it's already hard for these tribes to dig themselves out of the whole of, like, being the losing tribe. But I think that it just makes that that much more impossible. Yeah. I don't know how in this new era of Survivor, this hasn't been addressed, like, within the show.

But it's detrimental to an audience member because it's so predictable that this tribe is going to continue to lose if something doesn't change, even with an advantage or a disadvantage. It just, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it could be, it could be such a tight race, which I think is more entertaining, but it's not, because not having food. Losing hurts so much. Um, I didn't lose a lot, but when we did lose, yeah, you get down in the dump. So they're in a downward spiral. They're in a ball of sadness and they need some joy to get out of it. And I'm scared that they won't find it. I love your inside out references. I'm very much on the journey with you.

How about that journey? Yeah. I think, I think, I think it's evident. Like, I've kind of, like, half been, like, talking to some people about, like, people responded on social media and stuff. And I'm like, I don't know, I think it speaks for itself. And, you know, I think that people on disaster tribes, I mean, they don't know what it's like to not be on a disaster tribe, but I think that these things have to be a factor. And I don't think it's compelling anymore because it feels so inevitable. Like, when it felt like it was a tribe's fault, and this is true of like all survival we talk about agency when it felt like oh mat's saying you just suck like how are you in your head lose on was a meth you know we even had other tribes through the new era

as well where it was like this is compelling because it speaks to you with people you cannot get it together but i think the more that it goes on and the more that it feels like a function of the structure like do we blame chile i don't know i just feel bad for them and it's been a while that i've just been feeling bad for these disaster right well even like even last season like sure wasn't going well but it also felt like now I'm like well why did you put that tribe together that was such like that

you can see that that was a disaster tribe so I think so much of that has been like the agency I feel is taken from the players and it's a difference between the we talk about it so many times but like the easiest possible route is like being like a winning new era tribe the hardest possible route is being a losing tribe

it's literally night and day difference and it's a function of not so much like these tribes being a mess as much and we do we do get it for sure like lulu like they felt like they were doing a lot to themselves but it kind of feels like casting's choices sometimes and then other times it just feels like they're part of the system and like I don't blame them I couldn't get out of that so I feel like they try and it's more meaningful when it feels like it's on them not the show yeah and I feel like they try and force a underdog upon us like they're like okay

this tribe sucks so the underdogs coming from this tribe instead of it happening or organically because there's yeah exactly an underdog can still be winning so now i'm like forced to feel bad for this this tribe yeah and then they're forced to play the game so much quicker than everybody else that yet now you're rooting for them and it doesn't feel organic like i want to root for someone that it's genuinely hard for them because of everything not because of circumstances yeah like jeremiah is screwed i'm like i feel bad like like what are the odds did jeremiah makes it through next week thoughts of kaley winning a low i have I hope for them this week, but it's low.

And then there's like a clear three. And like you should lock in. They've done the boring votes. They've tried to make themselves as physically best as they can be. I do not blame them for that. And they've locked themselves into a group. They've had like some moments of like, should we turn? Like should Alex turn?

All of that's crazy. Like stay together as much as you can in a three because we've also seen from disaster tribes that if that's the situation you're in, being like a Yanu sticking together as much. much as they did, you know, for a while, like having those connections, like Tika is the best way to play that. So like just locking in with a group of what becomes three is the best way for that to go. But like I, I feel like Jeremiah is absolutely screwed next week. You're screwed. This is what I struggle with a tribe of six. There's so little room

to make these grand moves that they want people to make. And now he's in a tribe where everyone knows Alex has an idol. Alex seems like he's made man. with um with everyone so i'm like jeremiah is screwed i don't know how he weasels his way out of this one when there's no wiggle room for him to do so yeah and i feel like i come to the podcast of like the first 15 minutes i like complain about the new year but to be fair it's because i think that this like these cars are intelligent and they play the game in front of them as i would suggest like i don't think much was done wrong here at all like through these first two votes like they're doing what they have to do.

It's just like it's quite a stagnant way to play as delivered to them by the system. So then I come in and have to like complain about the system. But I mean, yeah, voting out Annie for me was like a no-brainer. You know, like obviously Alex shouldn't turn on Sophie. I was like, what are you doing? And I believed it for like a small, I was like the first time. I was like, is Annie actually going to not go home? Because he told Annie.

So he said he's like, I really don't know what. And he clearly didn't actually know what he was going to do because why else would you tell Annie? She certainly does need any help not playing her shot in the dark or being blindsided. Like she was, you know, not really. following what was happening with the tribe. So that part to me actually got me for a while. But like Alex does the right thing. They all do the right thing in staying strong.

And it's honestly, they use the sinking ship metaphor a lot. Like I think you just like huddle up and hold on for dear life. And that's what they're doing to try and survive this right now. Yeah. And I think it's the right strategy. There's, again, there's very little room to move. I think the way they manipulate Annie is to prevent her from using any type of shot in the dark. because she seems like someone

that would just randomly try anything. So I think he calms her nerves really, really well. But it's the right decision and then moving forward it has to be clear where the lines of the sand are.

So I don't know what can come from that if they lose again. Like the next vote just seems so obvious. Yeah. But then you swap. So like I think it's about surviving

as a three. And I do have to give credit to Jake who I was kind of hard on last week because I didn't agree with like the specific choices he was making like really publicizing his relationships but to his credit it really hasn't seemed to have impeded him much

like he's very much at the center of this more than I expected Sophie calls him her number one I think he largely must be what keeps Alex somewhat in line to not vote out Sophie here because obviously it's like oh then I'll be closer to Alex then I'll be closer to Jake

have I been saying Jake or Alex Jake is the one I was hard on Jake is the one Jake is the one that I want to give credit to Alex we gave a lot of credit to last week I think Alice is doing well Jake I want to give credit to because he's so in the middle

he's so who's number one which I didn't expect and yeah I mean I thought that he his decisions would impede him more than they have and it's not that like look the physical asset that he brings definitely help him even Annie's like I want to get out of Jake him and it's like we can't we're going to die

so that's just shows like He has a lot of room to move, but he's used that room well. He's at the center of this tribe. He's keeping Alex in line. Like, I'm now giving credit to Jake. How do you think Jake is doing? I personally think he's doing extremely well, considering the muscle mass on that man. He is a clear first target pre-merge.

You want to get this guy out. But I think he's playing in a way that's subtle, where it seems like he's just having a conversation all the time. He's like, yeah, we can't do that. And everyone's like, yeah, you're right. We shouldn't do that. So it's not, it's not like he's even pitching ideas. He comes across as a very collected person. So I don't think they see that as threatening. I think he's just really chilled about all his decisions that he has to make, which then everyone around him is quite chill. Like it doesn't seem frantic. He doesn't seem like a frantic player where Alex bounces off chaos, I feel like.

He enjoys it a little bit. Yeah. I think we need to give the muscle men more credit because usually those people are so filled with ego that this is their opportunity to prove something. And Jake's like, I don't need to do that. I know I'm strong. Yeah.

So I feel like he's more well-rounded. He has at times, I think, like, I think been extreme. Like I thought telling everyone about his dad, telling everyone about his baby. Like, I'm like, okay, fine. Say your wife is pregnant. but don't say she's giving birth right now. You can, say you've tried to have a child.

Like, you can still connect with people, but I thought, like, there was no reason for them to know that he was missing the birth of his child. Like, that's so specific. So that was last week, though, and I already criticized that. Like, I felt this week, yeah, Alex telling Annie about the idol, which I guess she could use against him if she ever somehow read that's going in a very bad direction, which seems like a very big if.

So if he wanted to steal the idol for herself from her allies who have technically brought her in, I thought it was crazy. Like, yes, she and Alex are. talking each other but I was like that would be so aggressive whereas Jake Jake's like look I've got these two number ones tomato tomato tomato like they're both really close to me that will probably be the final three in this group that the center of everything he's just chugging along and he's like keeping it really stable and I can't think I don't think I can say the same of his allies and all their decisions this week I still think they're doing great but I feel like Jake was actually like

holding it down this week yeah which I find surprising because usually they want to be I'm in control and let everyone know they're in control. And he's happy to have two passages. Yeah. So I think Jake's doing pretty well here. What did you think of Alex here? Like Alex gets the idol. What did you think of Alex's decision to save Annie and,

well, maybe to not save Annie, but between saving Annie and taking out so if you're just like doing the thing that they should do? I mean, it's something that you obviously can, like he has to consider it. But I don't think he considers pulling the trigger. I think telling Annie about the idol calms her down. And he's like, to me, it's more of a read on Annie that she is so unaware that she is the vote, even though previously she was the decoy, that he's now just playing into this game of,

I can lie, I can make her feel secure, let me share her a little secret, let me tell her about the idol. I think it's really clever on his part to keep her in his back pocket because she's not going to blow up his game. And that's what it's all really about. He's like, I'm happy to lie to these people and vote them out, but I don't want them to throw the grenade on their way out type of feeling. So I think it was the right decision to tell her because everyone else already knew. If no one else knew, then it's done.

Don't tell any. but everyone already knew. And then he says that line at Tribal. He says, I didn't find it. I don't think anyone else finds it. And to me, that calms Annie down even more. She's like, oh, I know he's lying to everyone, but he's told me the truth. I think that's actually genius.

So it was the right move to tell Annie. But I just was annoyed that everyone was there when he found it. What happened to keeping secrets? Yeah, it's hard in a small tribe that are always together. I think that's the thing as well. And like, Jake is happy for Sophie to be there. but, like, they're all working together, so they're going to go off together. I don't think it's the worst thing for him that they know.

Like, at the end of the day, whoever makes it out of this group are going to have to lock it in. Like, it's his idol, but, like, playing it for the group and, like, working forward as your small, like, remaining Kelle group is probably how this will end up anyway. So I don't think it will hugely matter. At the point where, like, you've gone to the point where you really want it to be individual, like, that's already, like, a huge win. Like, I think they're going to have to, like, be on the battle lines together. So I don't think it matters that much.

I think it just needs to, like, stop side-eyeing so. as much and vice versa, and they just need to lock in on the fact that they're probably going to be a three that are going to have to be, like, you know, really loyal to each other for life as tied by Jake, but it doesn't matter. Like, take that to the end. Like, why, again, as Jake says, he has clarity on it. Like, it actually doesn't matter. Although I do kind of think Alex is his number one.

It push-rump to show, but I don't think it actually matters. I think telling Annie is interesting because it's just going out of your way to blindside someone who's saying she's the puppet master. Like, sure. Again, conventionally, sure. He didn't. He's done it both weeks. he's one telling Nicole, she's good.

Like, he's really, like, a lot of the power has been in Alex's hands of, like, pulling off these great blind sides, and they have both been blind sides. But, like, did Annie need it? No. Like, was Annie going to play a shot in the dark? She was not. Should she have, of course? But Annie didn't know what was going on, right?

Like, even as you said, she's a decoy. She's saying it in her, in her, in her ex-interviews now. She's like, actually what was really happening is, like, they were telling, they, we were all of five, and they told me to go off so that I could be the decoy. It's like, that's what they told you. How can you? think that's true. Did you not watch the show? Like that was not the vibe. So yeah. Yeah. Somehow she still thinks that today. That's what's crazy to me. That's wild.

I think I cringe when people call themselves the puppet master because we're all puppets. Jeff is the like the survivor is the puppet master. Right. Especially now in the new era. Yeah. So calling yourself that just sets you up to not be the puppet master. So I think I my biggest thing with Annie was how did she keep her glitter eye shadow on the whole time? They asked her. Mike asked her in the in the ex-interview. Did she say how?

Did she glue it? She didn't really give instructions but like I guess that could be like a good how-to. She said the mud didn't do well for it. I mean she was there for five days like I think I could have mascara that just like stays. She put her eye shadow on the whole time. really it's a good ad for that glitter eye shadow but I think with Annie as well

even like they weren't even even even when she said to Alex like should we do Jake Alex was like should we and she was like yes like Sophie really wants that Alex was like does she trust me on this yes and then like Sophie's like making faces to the camera like to be fair like in front of her but like

Annie maybe it was a glitter eye shadow like can you see what is happening in front of you like they're not even like giving you a resounding affirmation on this. And I think Annie just saw what I wanted to see. So that's why I think I wouldn't go out of my way to tell her about the idol because I think Annie was like, I don't get to play my foot on the dark. I'm the puppet master.

But I mean, you do you. Like, Alex has done well on it. But I just felt like he went 150% of what he needed to do to blindside someone who thought she was in control. And to this day, doesn't understand what the semantics were on the tribe. Yeah. I think she didn't know that like the saying, if they're not talking with you, they're talking about you.

and it's like she didn't identify how alone she was. Like those four just always seemed to fall into each other's laps. Conversations. Her conversations are only ever one-on-one. So to me, I'd be thinking, why aren't I in the group chat? Like, who kicked me out of the group chat? That's what I'd be thinking. But she had no concept of that she wasn't in the group.

She just thought, I'm controlling by having these individual group chats. And that's not how it works. and she realized that. I wish for Annie's level of security. Like me, I'm a very insecure person. I'm like, I think my husband

who I've been with the 13 years, I'm like, you still love me every day. You love me, right? How much out of 10? Annie is like, my whole thing is I don't talk to Alex, but I'm his number one.

And everyone will do my plan. I'm like, maybe some level of insecurity is good. Maybe we should all be double checking things all the time. Annie is like not picking up, you know, what people are putting down in terms of yeah.

Alex literally said, does, don't go? She was like, yeah, she does. Yeah, she doesn't even question the fact that he's questioning it. I, like, why does Alex have this doubt? Why? And she's like, no, no. Yeah. Does Sophie want to vote out the strongest person in the tribe and we're already getting

absolutely, like, completely destroyed in these challenges? Like, yeah, I think she does. Even I'm not going to want to do in a couple of days. but she does yeah yeah and he did go from as well from being in like oh I want to go to tribal council

I'm happy to you know be suffering here and then they lost the other the next challenge she was like I think maybe we tried not to lose I've switched to maybe maybe we try to win one of the challenges I just think it's it's she was the decoy vote

and she wants to go back to tribal like that's that's wild to me that's a crazy thing to want yeah she should have said i want cookies that would have been a better answer but like she wants to another losing tribe yeah i that's that's the kind of person you don't need to show the idols blindside but sure he did he did well with it i think as well turning it on to sophie was somehow crazier like trying to turn it onto Jake when they were losing felt like the most insane thing but then being like actually I think we go on tribe's friends it's like Annie that's how people view you yeah at least the Jake thing is very different like at least you're trying to gather the people who might see themselves as

on the bottom like as you would hope at Jeremiah who we saw like maybe the least of the interactions but like at least that's like a different way to view it versus Sophie it's like at the point where they're going to do challenge friends like I understand she lost the puzzle but like they might just look at you like especially from a demographic perspective that has been famously what people tend to do. Yeah, I think this just comes back to Annie's confidence. She's just so confident in herself. She knows she's contributing to challenges, even though the tribe is saying that you're not. Hence why you were the vote between you and Nicole. It was for the exact reason. We want to win challenges. We think you guys are letting us down. So she just

must have this amazing confidence that I wish we could bottle up and I could use it sometimes in real life, but not in cyber. Yeah. I did think that the best thing we and like we said this was good last week and it really paid off well and it was debate around like whether sophie coming back and telling them about annie was a good thing to do and like i think it's been proven how great that was because yeah in a world where annie comes and tells alex that so if he's into it and she hasn't told the group like he could use that against her we know he's kind of looking to do that but so if you're getting ahead of it and really locking herself into that group i think was very smart and then there was nothing she didn't

have any skeletons in the closet. So I think that she's done well on that. Yeah, I think she's actually in a really good position if they get, if they get past this little hump of losing. Yeah, it seems like they will. I think you'll have to sacrifice Jeremiah, but it seems like it won't matter much to her as much as I thought it did because she's most tied to Jake. So. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. She's made her choices. Do we want to talk about the journey? Yes, the journey. So the journey, I thought, was in. interesting. With Amex Platinum, access to exclusive Amex pre-sale tickets can score you a spot trackside. So being a fan for life turns into the trip of a lifetime.

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and every step forward feels like progress. not another wrong turn. Visit camh.ca to help us forge a better path for mental health care. Firstly, what did you think about the people who chose to go on the journey? We had, because there wasn't a lot of people, you know, and obviously they'd just seen

the 48 preseason where everyone who went on the journey lost votes and it was this like nightmare, so people had to be pre-braved to put their hand up. We saw MC and Matt do this paper off and then just Joanne, who was on the bottom and they all let him go. And Jake, they let Jake go. So what did you think about the decisions

from these people and their tribes to let those people go on the journey? I think the Jake decision was purely to win. Like I think as a tribe, they were like, we want to come back with some sort of win. I think Jake's our best bet. The Matt thing is pure by chance, but the Dewan thing,

I don't know if he was able to read the fact that he's on the bottom because we haven't seen a moment where he's admitted it, where he says, I feel like I'm on the bottom. So I think either he's got a really good read on his position and we don't know it yet, or he just took this opportunity to, like, dip his feet in survival. He's like, I want this, I want this reward, I want this advantage, or whatever it may be.

And I think everyone going, yeah, you can go, should be telling to him. But I don't know if it is. I would think that everyone letting him go would seem that he's more included. My old thing has always been people are too polite on the journeys. Why are you letting the person on the bottom go? And I do think, like, okay, whatever. but that new four, I guess, could split on stage in Jaun. Maybe they don't want to risk themselves because it has been so dicey,

and they don't want to, like, really put Joanne off and tell him no. Someone else could at least put their, you know, scissors paper rock in the ring so that at least they'd have a chance if you want to be polite. But maybe they just think, okay, I don't want to risk myself and we could split if we need to. I still don't love for them, Joanne going, who knows what he could get. Of course, like he's most likely to apparently lose a vote, but you just, I don't think you want I don't think that you you want to risk

him having something you don't know about and him being worth your target so I actually thought it was really good for Joanne to go we have seen like oh I think Shannon said like when you're kind of on the bottom

and it becomes it becomes as like four to two like you start picking up on it he'd had the whole bag incident with Savannah I don't know if that happened before but maybe he's picking up on that I think it was very good for him to go

because at that point like risk it for the biscuit I thought that it was good for Jake to go obviously he can afford to lose his vote they're so locked in. He's got so much runway. He's so strong. Um, and then I thought Matt and MC, we'll talk about MC. MC's playing very hard. I don't really think she needs. So I think she's playing harder than she needs to. Matt, I feel like I liked it. Like, he's in this, like, hopeful group. And Matt is like in a difficult demographic. Like, start, like, yeah,

like start hitting for the fences. Like, unfortunately, that is the way on Survivor. Like, if you get a move under your belt, I think that, you know, getting some ammo actually is a good thing. So I kind of liked it for all three of the people who ended up going. I just, my, my, my, my biggest thing was like, okay, it's kind of crazy to let Joanne go. But again, I see that as well. It means the newer cars know how to play the system by now, I think. Yeah. Yeah.

I think Savannah, I think Savannah, like, says, like, I don't feel comfortable having Joanne go because he's on the bottom. And if he, the likelihood of him coming back with something is 50-50. But I also think they're assuming they know everything because they've, of what they've seen. So they know he's either going to come back with a advantage, whatever it is. or no vote. So to Savannah, that's still a win because she knows. She knows he doesn't either have a vote

or she knows he has advantage, whatever the advantage may be. And at least they have that opportunity where they can split it between the two. And I think it's incredibly good that Joanne goes because he needs it. I was shocked that he won the challenge. Yeah, that was a great moment too.

I think, like, with Savannah, if you're uncomfortable with him going, like, he shouldn't be going like that has too much power that four should like when they're having discussions about their group and we don't know when these happen like you know chronologically as well but when they're having discussions as a four it should be like what do we do on a journey it's like we all put our hands up to go and we all take one for the team and like all do scissors paper wrong at least or like full sticks or whatever to try and make sure that it's kept between us and then at least like we have majority either way like yes we would lose our split potential but if you know they have like

maybe less likely to get something. Obviously, if they're not there, they could find beware. But I just kind of think that you should work that out as a group, but it felt very individual to be like, I don't want to go. But if Savannah is uncomfortable with it, like change it. You are in a powerful spot. Like you shouldn't be uncomfortable. Yeah, I agree.

I think, yeah, you've got to be having these conversations with your core four and whether we're not seeing them or they're not having them is a different discussion. But I would have, out of the four of them, I would have had someone step up to do the same thing that Matt MC did. Like, let's just rock paper, scissors. because then if Joanne goes, it's less suspicious. It's like, oh, you're going because of fate, or you're going because you're better at that,

or you pick the stick. There's something for you to build on as to why, even if you're Savannah, if you go, you're like, oh, I went because I got stick, guys. And you can play off that as not being a strategic move. But right now they're just handing advantage to someone who they don't want to have an advantage, which I find very odd.

Yeah, at least he can probably feel more comfortable because it's like, oh, maybe they don't all hate me. if they, you know, if they're letting me go. And I think it's like, it's very, very hard to look into the dynamics of either of these tribes who are so unlikely to go to tribal council. Like both of the dynamics that we see are making a four. And the four is probably irrelevant. They're not going to go to tribal council.

And these tribes get on. We've seen that Hina, like they all are like the Kumbaya tribe. We've seen that Uli, like there's a secret scene where they're like talking about how they're all grateful for each other and Joanne's like they're like my family you know i think that these like what happens in the edit is it's five minutes of all the focus being on like this is a four two or like savannah and juan having that whole bag issue but like i think for the most part both of these tribes are likely to be good you know what i mean like they'll probably go through to never voting in these iterations and they'll probably have good relationships throughout so

in that way it's not so much like oh my god we have to stop juan it's like maybe we'll work with Juwan. Like maybe we never have to vote our Juana. We're with him at a swap or merge. And he is like an older brother to me. So I think that it is hard because the edit focuses on that because we need to know the dynamics of the tribe. But at the end of the day, they're dynamics of tribes that likely won't vote as tribes. Yeah, they're not going to be tested. I don't think. Yeah, exactly. Is it that big of a deal? Probably not. Yeah. I thought the concept of Joanne going was very interesting. That they were all

like, yeah, go bye. Have a great time. Yeah. Yeah. And I like And I really liked you on. So it was a bit unfortunate to see, like, the whole bag incident happened. Oh. And that he's, like, put himself a bit on the outs. Like, it's all quite unfortunate. Like, I think he's actually really trying to help and just, like, some social missteps.

So I was glad for him that, like, he got a win here. And then I think, like, played it all very well. Yeah, yeah. I agree. I was sad that he had the bag incident. He's just trying his poor. He's just trying his best to help everyone. And it's backfiring so much.

And even like now there's, everyone thinks he's got, does he have an idol? Does he not have an idol? And then you send him on this journey where he could come back with an idol. It's just all very joan, juan, juan, juan. I personally really like him. I think he could be really, really dynamic as the season progresses. I liked him in the challenge. I thought he made the right decision.

Yeah, I felt like, why do you tell Savannah about her bad? Like, she's going to realize it. Like, you can't just put that off. Yeah. She will see it. Yeah. It wasn't great. But with the decision, so in terms of, like, the actual journey, it was a challenge.

Like, let's be clear. They did another individual challenge. And it could have been more strategic. Like, they could have, like, ganged up on one strong person, which didn't really seem to happen and would be very socially aggressive. But people like that you wouldn't necessarily lose your vote. and I guess like the bar is in hell, so sure. I used to like it more when they were like quasi-prisoned dilemmas.

You know, like actual dilemmas, like for me, that was more of a thing. But my favorite thing about this journey was that Jawan bin does get a decision. Like the decisions to me are what's interesting. We can look at what Chuan does. And I think that giving him the decision between not even just taking an individual reward, it's an extro vote, like kind of whatever, ex-revotes do nothing. But it was more about like not the individual reward versus the tribe reward. it was more about, like, do I want to piss off one person specifically?

Yeah. Or like a whole tribe. And I thought that was kind of an interesting debate for me. Yeah, I think that would be the main point of that decision. Who, how many people do I want to piss off? And from the very small interaction he has with Matt and Jake, they don't gang up on, they play it very fair. So I think that comes into play.

He's like, do I want to piss off these two people that are physically, he makes a point that Jake is muscle on muscle and that's also a big guy. So does he want to piss off the two big guys in the game? Probably not. Or does he want to piss off six people? And I'm glad he's faced with this tough decision. I'm glad it's not just like handed to him because he has to really think about it. And this is what makes me think he might have a read on his tribe because he chooses,

in my opinion, the right decision to help his tribe. but I'm still bitter on the losing the no vote because I think that forces other players that makes it more interesting back at camp not with a tribe of six not having a vote so you would prefer that they just lost their vote for losing the challenge I would prefer that they all face the decision

so do you want to participate the challenge if you do and you lose you lose your vote if you don't you can go on your merry way and not compete and yeah i think that that is interesting if what if i mean this is kind of this is gaming it completely differently but if it was like you will all compete for a tribe advantage if you lose you lose your vote do you want to partake like someone could just win the challenge by themselves like someone could be the only person who competes yeah do you want to risk your vote for a tribal

advantage or do you want to go back and give to other people the chance to fight for a tribal advantage in a challenge. Yeah. This is a different twist, but this is actually pretty good. It goes back to losing votes, but it gives people agency and makes them choose between their voter and the tribe. That's actually really good, I think. Yeah.

I think that would have, yeah, that choice, just forcing players to make decisions is always more interesting than getting out of jail. Like they just were like, oh, we didn't win. So we can just, you know, I think Matt said, you know, nothing won, nothing lost. And I was like, oh, like, that's boring. I want you to lose. Yeah, I think it was a bit lost in the end because he lost the challenge and then his whole team was just didn't know that at the point.

So it was kind of like foreshadowing for, but then he were going to win. But I do think, I think this was different and interesting, but I do think the thing that we always say about lost votes, and I kind of can't be bothered with the vote economy. So I'm never going to, like, complain that they didn't lose their votes. But I think that we're like, we don't like when they go on the journey, even if they put their hands up through the journey, especially when they've been chosen to do the journey, and there's no choice.

But even if they put their hand up, we don't like that they just lose their vote. If you get there and can decide to opt in for an advantage, that's different. And if the advantage is a tribal advantage versus risking your personal vote, like now we've got some mistakes. Like I think that is,

that's like probably the best way to do that with agency for the players. In what we actually got, with Joanne, I mean, I thought that, firstly, like in terms of like what he could actually win, the individual component of an extra vote versus hopefully winning a chance, hopefully having more supplies, not going to tribal council, like being the tribe to not

lose definitely, like all the things we've said about how important winning is and like assuring that more for your tribe you would think. Like to me, that's like actually a better personal advantage, let alone you're helping the tribe. So that to me is a no brain up. In terms of like pissing off one person versus six, um, it's very personal to to do it to one person. It's almost worth even though like even though that's kind of counterintuitive, I think. Um, I think yeah, just so like because it feels more targeted whereas with with the like you know the tribe firstly hopefully they would understand that like kind of anyone would do that like you're out there to win like you're going to take any advantage he won that basically he won the first part of a challenge

yeah and that's what he won like i think hopefully anyone would respect that i think he also uses it to try and like cozy up to kelly a bit being like i'd never push you through that and even though I feel like he has to tell his tribe that he had a choice between the individual and the group component. Like maybe it never gets out there or it doesn't matter that that was even true. Like they may think he only had a tribe disadvantage and he has to just choose between the tribes and then Hina kind of speaks for itself. But I do think that the best

case scenario for Juan happened. Like they didn't lose the challenge but also Hina didn't lose. I would like to pray Hina doesn't lose because if they lose and they have to go to tribal council and it sets them down a really bad path and they have to vote someone out. Like now maybe they're out for blood. But Hina will forget about this. Like if anything, it's like, thank you for giving us the opportunity to prove ourselves. That was an iconic moment. And I think now Joan is fine because they didn't lose. I feel like this actually worked out for the best, whereas they might have, they would have been, I think,

more upset if it had actually like doomed them to a loss. Yeah. I think the fact that he shoots six people is better because they kind of all just, even Sophie says it, it's a hit on Heena. So she doesn't take it personally. Well, she does actually. But yeah, I think the tribe absorbs that. They're like, oh okay they think us as a tribe is threatening where is if he if he'd taken matt's vote that's already like now i've got a personal vendetta against juan which my tribe now latch onto like the people working with me will latch on to i think it was the right decision i'm glad he didn't choose the saddest tribe that would have made me more sad and i think jake really appreciates it he's like thank you thank you for not choosing us so now you've got you've got a

connection with Jake, which I feel like he's a guy that loves connections. So 100% it was the right, it was the right move. And the steal of vote is so risky because you could steal it and you could still not use it correctly. Yeah, exactly. And it was an extra vote for him. So it's not even like you're stealing it in that tribal council. Like you could just have an extra vote and then someone loses a vote on a tribe you're not even part of. So it's like you're stealing a vote, but to use it as an extra vote. you're upsetting someone in this really personal way, whereas again, like a hit on Heena, that has a time limit.

When they aren't a tribe, then that's not going to feel personal anymore because now we aren't the big threatening Heena tribe versus, okay, like someone might be, you know, not have that vote at a merge. You might be voting with them at a swap or emerge where they really remember that they didn't have a vote. Like I think it actually creates more of a vendetta.

So I thought this was good. By the seven-time world's best leisure airline champions, Air Transat. But I did, we got like questions around, around the idea of like gaming this meta-new era structure where the assumption is if there's no medivacs, there will be a swap if a tribe loses three times in a row. Yeah. So we got a lot of questions from both sides of this. Well, there's been discussion about it.

Like, should he push it on to Kelle, which is very socially aggressive, like them getting a disadvantage after everything they've been through, I think they might just sit there and weep. But if you do that and you, like, ensure the disaster tribe 1,000% even more than it is, if Juan knows he's on the bottom, you are guaranteeing no tribal ever and a swap out of that situation. Is there anything there or is that the cruelest and gamiest thing ever? ever arted for the show to try and add to production creating manufacturing these disasters yeah i think if he picks i keep calling it the sadness tribe i think if oh yeah because they're if you think in a swap situation they're already on the bottom and the last thing you want to do

is piss off people on the bottom because they will do crazy things to get out from the bottom and i think he can now recognize that if he's on the bottom and they're on the bottom in a tribe swap they're There's movement there to work, work with them, where Hina's more like, they seem like a solid, a solid, happy, joyful group. They'll be joy, sadness and joy, which makes the Red Team anger. Anger, which doesn't really work. That doesn't work. Anxiety, one of them.

Yeah, I think, I mean, yeah, I think that's way too much. Also, like, if you give it to Hina, like, maybe Kelaa still lose, which they do, in which case, it's not your fault and you tried your best. Or Hina lose, and you're, like, the one tribe that isn't losing, like, I think that's fine. We got, like, we got all these questions on, like, triggering a swap or not triggering a swap. We got, I'm from Logan Ledger. He says, would it be to the advantage of red and or yellow to throw the next challenge

to avoid blue losing again and risking a swap? So, like, for example, if you're in the majority four on Uli or Hina and you feel like you're in a good spot and you don't want to risk a swap and being just on the bad side of the numbers, should you throw a challenge to sacrifice like a Joanne or a Sophie S or whoever's on the bottom of those tribes to stave off a swap because if Kelae lose another challenge they'll likely swap and lose their comfortable run to the merge.

Is there anything here? Or is this also completely insane? Now throwing... I mean, look, the newer makes it easy because the structures are so built in. So you can look at that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's hard. I'm a victim of a thrown challenge,

so maybe I'm a bit biased. I would not throw a challenge that early. I think that... I think... I think the new era seems to be really personal and people would take it like me. Like they'd be pissed about it. But I also think if you're going to try and induce something, you're going to try induce labour here, you're going to try and induce the tribe swap or prevent it.

I think production would just be like, no. I'm the puppet master. You are my puppets. It's like when people used to predict mergers and then Jeff was like, we're not merging. We've just put you together on the same page. Like I just think although the structure is so predictable now, nothing is guaranteed. Like they all thought they were going to lose a vote. They weren't losing a vote.

So, oh, that's a hard one to toss up. I'm biased because I say don't throw challenges. But it could be really interesting if that's talked about. because I don't know if that's something they've talked about in a while. Yeah, it would be the most new-year thing to ever happen. Like, the game is so stagnant and the cast are so keyed in. Can you imagine players on Australian Survivor being like, well, if we do this, we'll trigger a swap at this time.

Like, most of the people are like, what's the swap? Like, we've literally heard people say, what's to merge? In the olden days, we had that more. But, like, in the olden days of 2016. But, yeah, I think that would, I mean, it would be so meta. Can I say to players, future players, if you're still playing in a new era structure, firstly, my condolences to all of us. But secondly, please don't do this.

Please don't game the game so hard that you're throwing challenges to prevent swaps or even trick of swaps or like any or trying to do any of this. Like also, you shouldn't be that scared of a swap. Like, look at Carl last season. Like, if you're a good enough player and hopefully we'll have like a number's advantage. I mean, for sure, it went a little tricky

and he had some, you know, tricks up his sleeve for that vote. And getting through it was a great move with his idol. And then he'd made this connection with Joe and Shaheen that swam through the whole game. Like the hope is that you can carry yourself through a difficult swap and I know that's tricky and I know that people get swap screwed. But like the hope is you make more connections

and do well and like use that in the future. You want the swap to happen. It's the next phase of the game. You don't want to stay in this this easy narrative of oh, we've got my four. We can just play this along until we have to. You want the swap is a pre-merge.

It's so when you get to merge, you're not going in completely blind of what other people are capable of. So I think tribe swap ups the ante tremendously. And yeah, you can get tribe, you can get screwed by a tribe swap, but it's all about what you do. It's all about your connections that you make that eventually are going to help you or hinder you and merge.

Imagine if you don't, if you're going to merge with no tribe swap these days, I think it's detrimental to everyone's game. Yeah, I think, look, is going to emerge with your like, it's private six intact with a four in it that can be like a new rebe of four and then you sacrifice a couple of the like fifu and j mayr equivalents and then like run it down like is that a good situation yes you know well at that point you've already sacrificed one of them because you've

thrown it like i'm not saying that's not good i'm just thinking you can't be so scared of a swap that you're going to throw a challenge to try game it at that point as well like if you're a tribe that hasn't gone to tribal council like sure like things confessor or like some of these tribes have good relationships. Like, you know, if you're at the point where it swaps and you go in with six people who have never had to turn on each other and who've never even had to be at a tribal council and write to other's name down, like, that can be good too. Like, you have a good kind of social fabric with which to then swap with rather than getting

to emerge where you, like, have been in a vote. You've maybe pissed off the other person who wasn't in your floor. Maybe also they had an eye, like you can split, but like people lose votes or whatever. You know, like you've risked yourself technically. you've put in now like negative social dynamics that you don't have to do even though yes things confesser and you've done it all to save off a swap

that could actually be of a benefit to you like I kind of think if you're that much of a control freak and I say this from love as someone who's a control freak like you're thinking about it too much and I say that as someone who thinks about it too much that's just not the way like that's just not your game like roll with the flow and like hopefully you're a good enough player that you can see

even a tricky swap and make relationships and like better your game rather than holding onto like one blueprint which is a good blueprint i'm not saying that like that's not but if you're holding on so much to just being uh you know a fore that can make it through to emerge and like that's it's quite one dimensional i think you need a little more than that to try i agree i think people like survivor isn't some survivors social it's this experiment that we that that everyone like participates in but it's not there's not like a ringmaster there's not someone that draws the deck like handing out the cards.

There's not someone that, like, that's not a thing. So for them to want to, like, not have the tribe swap happen, it's like, don't hold on to that because you can't control it anyways. Like, so you just have to go with the flow. And I think trying to take the blueprint of the game into your own hands will always backfire because it's just proves that you can't. let things go. Like you can't move on. So when the vote changes, are you going to be this crazy person that can't let go of your plan? I think let the game go as it's meant to go and a good

survivor player will adjust. Yeah, I completely agree. Like there are blueprints in the new era that do work. But I think that if you go in and you are so relying on that blueprint, it's ultimately worse for your game. You have to be able to see yourself through a swap if it happens. Yeah. And not be trying to game production, although this is the point we're in, nine freaking seasons in that we're aware of how to do this and wondering whether we should. So it's pushed us all to the brink of insanity, I think. Well, I would stop calling it the new era. It needs to be called something else like the predictable era or the stuff, something, because it's not new anymore. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's definitely true. But anyway,

That, I love the question, though, Logan. Sorry for dunking on it for 10 minutes. No, please don't. We're not through the challenges to prevent a swap. I would love to talk about Hina because there was some stuff happening here. Again, like a floor being built. That's what you do, right? Prevent a swap?

No. But MCC made this interesting because MSA, like, immediately went back to Sophie S, who we've known so little about it. It's so weird with Sophie S because she has more confessions than like Christina and Jason, but I feel like I know Christina and Jason more. Like I feel like POSS, maybe we just like, we haven't gotten to know anything about her personally.

Whereas like Christina, like the things we've gotten have been very personal. You know, like she's scared of all, you know, and her personality really shines through. So that's why I really felt like Sophie S wasn't going. And I was like,

I can't imagine he nor are going to tribal council. But yeah, what did you think about this? Like MC, Matt brings an MC in like the worst possible way. He's like, there are three of us. and you. And I'm like, well, why?

He's like, you're in. She's like, thank you so much. And it was so unfortunate because Matt loves MC. What after what happened was, they were like, they made the three. As he said, we spoke for like 30 seconds. It did seem quick. And then he immediately was like,

let's bring an MC. And Christina was like, I was thinking the exact same thing. Like, it was actually really positive for her. He couldn't have painted it in a worse light. And then she felt put off by him. He loves her. And then he felt put away.

And then she goes back to Sophia. When you have a four, you need to prove that there's, that you have a number one in the four. So he should have just said, you and I, like you and I, it's you and me, MC. Like, I think I want to work with you. You're going to be my go-to gal. I think we can do a lot here. And who do you want to, like, what are you thinking? Put the decision on her, make her feel like she has some sort of voice in this.

And then say, well, why don't we talk to Christina and say, well, why don't we talk to Christina and Stephen, I think they're a good pair and we can, you know, we'll have each other's back within the four. But he doesn't do that. He's just like, oh, Australia have talked and we like you. So, and she's like, how long have you been talking? Yeah. Why they'll ask to know?

But I think her aggression to go and tell Sophie this soon, I don't think is the right move because what is she doing? She's just got to force a three, three split. And if they get word that it's her forcing it, they're just going to turn on, she's going to be the target. it's not going to be Sophie S. So I just think it was the right move, but too soon. Yeah, I thought this was way too much as well.

Like, even though I agree that Matt couldn't have sold that worse, and it wasn't even reflective of what it actually even happened. It was so bad. I can understand why that put her off, but also being the fourth in this four actually doesn't really matter. Again, this four along for the game, like this whole tribe is fine. I think you have to play based on the situation you have like you're hina you can win the game with 10 kilos of coconut strap you can win the challenges so like you're not going to tribal council anytime soon I don't think so like you can cultivate Sophie if you like her separately without being like they threw out your name we have this four giving her so much specific ammo and maybe she can read that Sophie wouldn't use that against her in a moment of desperation but I just kind of feel like well you're putting off three allies for one as you said

you're at best putting it to a three three and even maybe not then always seen as a jason really likes stephen always even this whole tribe is that everyone really likes even at emc is like but i still really like stephen like so where's where's the group you're putting together it felt negative it felt anti-social i feel like there are ways that you can do that more subtly where you're like Sophie we have something and like which isn't coming to shove anytime soon but like I have a lot of loyalty to you and then you can do that in a more positive way without throwing people under the bus and like putting people off and then giving people ammo to use against you Yeah, I think there's more power in MC knowing that she's the fourth person.

I think if she knows, hey, I'm number four in this four, that's great. I know that. That means I have less loyalty to them. I have more flexibility with these other people, but I don't want them to know I'm four. Like, I don't want to push these three people away, which is what I think this does. Because what's stopping Sophie going to them and going, hey, MC just told me you guys wanted me out. To me, if I'm Stephen or Matt, I'm like, no, Sophie, we want you. Like, we now want you over NC. So it just, it just, and then you've got Jason. So it just, it just creates

tension, which is unnecessary because I don't think they're going to lose. So if I was MC, I would have had that in the back of my mind. I said, we're not going to go to tribal council anytime soon. So I'm not going to have to test these four. We're not going to have to see if I'm the last one to know this, like, information. Yeah. But. She does it. She hits the ground running, running straight to Sophie, who I think, yeah, I think won't take it well. Well, yeah, it won't end well.

It would just be a three. And then Jason's just going to, what, have to, is Jason going to become the swing vote now? Is Jason taking it to a tie? Like, what's happening? Yeah. What's Jason's relationship with Sophie? What's Jason's relationship with MC?

Like, we know they were both the alternates and also Sophie has been an alternate. So that's the alternate alliance, maybe. but I think yeah Sophie was yeah Sophie was alternative 48 I just think overall there are better ways to do that and I think MC just came across

as a little bored and a little spooked where at the end of the she is being brought into something it's not that dire and like you have days to figure this out like when are we dealing with the Sophie issue of like Christina said they could take out of Sophie when is that going to be a thing is it at the merge boot

you know like it's a murgatory when is that for when is that for or when is her being at the technical bottom of that four, even coming home to Roos, is it the final six of this scene? Like, Hina or are fine. You are not in this position right now or you have to be dealing with this situation.

When is this four ever going to be tested? Like, I don't think it's going to be tested for a while. And MC should have just gone, this is my, me being the four, I know I'm number four. I'm going to take this opportunity to build relationship with Sophie and Jason. So if the time does come and with tribe swapped

and I'm not with any of these people on my three, or I'm only with Matt and Sophie, I've got some wiggle room to put myself in a better position. Kind of like what Jake's, like kind of like what Jake's doing. Jake's like I'm with, like Sophie's my ally,

Alex is my ally. Like this is great. I haven't pissed either of them off. So I think that would have been a better route for MC to take. But maybe everyone's infatuation with MC is too high anyways. So maybe they'll be like, I feel like yeah

and Christina's the one who puts out Sophie's name from memory and MC doesn't actually like directly talk like say Christina's name it's like it's such a shame because Christina really was like

I was just thinking that we need MC like they loved MC so it's just a lot of that is on Matt Matt really Jervis did the same way Jervis was like here's our four

and then caused Sierra to go to rock he did do that he literally was like us three and you and there were better ways Matt but I said I still think M.C. responded to it badly, even with that being true. But, shame, like, I wonder if M.C. watches it back and is like, oh, they love me. They really love me, like, the whole time.

I did find it interesting that she kind of half told Sophie everything. Like, she didn't say Christina said your name. Or, like, she didn't, yeah, she didn't really, like, put any blame onto any of them. So then who does Sophie go for? Is Sophie just like, it's us two against the, world like who's our who's our victim out of the three and what is mc going to say she's going to be like matt because he's a terrible salesman but yeah i just think it was like she went into it aggressive and then pulled it's like it's like she pulled out halfway through the conversation

she was like oh i don't want to say too much and i'm like it's too late which could also spook sophie it's like who said your name you know like i'll take me back like if you won't give me all the information now i have the ammo so again she's probably real if you won't do that but and so if he has no need to now. Like these people are so far from tribal council, but yeah, I didn't think there was, there wasn't a lot of finesse here. There's nothing stopping, yeah, Sophie going to the three and saying, I've heard my name and the three of them going, what, who's turned on us? Yeah, 100%. Well, should we talk about some of this in the chizzy? Yes. All right, take it away Jacob's Saga wine scene and

MC color. One, two, three. One, one, one, three, one, one, two, one, three. Let's get, it's I'm getting kind of jizzy. Three, two, one. All right. Do you have jiffy points you want to give? Or should I go first? You go first. All right.

I'm going to give three points to Jake. I was hard on Jake last week. I was, I really thought as he had pushed Sophie to bond more with Jeremiah. And then I saw that Sophie was so committed to him. I watched Sophie and Alex fight for an hour about how to be closest to Jake. I was like, have some self-respect. So, yeah. He has physical room to move.

He was given a lot of runway. Even Annie can't turn on him in her mind. But he has used it well. I think that he has like a pretty clear head about his two allies. And I think that they just need to get it together. So I think he's at the center. And if all kind of goes as it should, he should be left with the three on this group

that is the perfect three for him specifically. And like, you know, Alex might have wanted maybe Annie. And like Sophie might want Jeremiah, but I really think it's his three. So I have to give him huge credit there. So I'm going to give him. Three points for that. And any part of, like, Alex not turning on Sophie because it would upset Jake.

Maybe also he didn't do it because it would have been a crazy thing to do. Probably that. He, like, got his, like, logic there. But I do think as well, like, then Jake, when you come to me, like, Jake would be so angry at you. I always kind of feel like that never really works unless you're, like, a Ferris and Kirby type to, you know, vote out someone's ally to make them closer to you sometimes. But is that, like, how good, long-term, like, foundational alliances are built? yeah no um so i think that that relationship protected sophie and i think that he's doing very very well i will give two points to alex who is doing very well on the shivvy charts i think got six

last week he's getting two for me here he did come back and do the right thing he found the idol he was completely right to go for beware obviously he knows that like they're on the disaster tribe go for whatever he's in you know a good spot in the numbers of the tribe so i thought that made sense and then he like achieves getting the idol which was good um also we said last week like oh you know annie turned against quote unquote the guys but it was never Alex she was closer to Alex and it was even portrayed last week yeah even in ex-interviews like Alex is doing so much work in keeping like Nicole and Annie comfortable to be blindsided so you have to give the credit there and she was never coming for him which we kind of thought she would never come in but it

was even better than we thought like she wasn't even remotely she didn't even had to be brought back Like she was with him the whole time. So I think that, yeah, he did the right things. And then I'm going to give a point to Stephen. I just feel like at this point, he has had the whole thing with Christina, both episodes, they're really tight. We've seen Jason say positive things about him. We've seen him MC does.

We've seen Matt say positive things. Like, again, even MC is like, I don't like that for, but I like Stephen. So I feel like he's getting a lot of positive content. Like the same way I gave a point to Shannon last week. It's just when almost everyone on your tribe is so positive about you. Like everything I hear is just positive from so many people. I have to at that point start like giving points to people even if they're not on the losing tribe. I did want to give a point to you want.

I really did. I felt like he did the journey. Like he made the right decisions. He got himself onto the journey. He won the challenge. Like even Savannah says like the choices he made may have helped him. I think he did it all well. Like even the way that he communicated it to.

Kelleer, like I would never do that to you. Like, I thought that was all good, but he's just, he's quite on the outs. And the bag thing was bad. Like, I watched a bag thing again. I was like, I can't give him a point. You know, like, in the bag episode, even though I think he did well in the journey. I wanted to do it. Their names are on the bag.

How do you pick up someone else's bag? Well, well, this is, so they're not on the same try, but I know that you had a sticking point about having another Noonan. You had another Laura and another Noonan. Yeah. This season, firstly, there's two Sofis. Everyone's name starts with an S. It's very confusing.

And there are two people with the last name more. Nate and Alex are both more. So maybe they need it as swap. And it's a whole thing like you had with Jessie that you were both newness. Yeah. Yeah. Moore doesn't have that good of a ring to it. So I understand why they're going by their first name.

But why so many S's Savannah, Sophie, Sophie? Like there's just so many. Sissis. Say, yeah. Sage. Shannon. Oh, there's too many. It is, it is crazy.

I will quote what my dad said when I changed my last name. I didn't officially change it because I'm lazy. But when I changed my name, when I took on my married name of Gus, and my dad was like, there are two S's in Gus. I'm like, yeah, he's like, and your name starts with death. And I was like, yeah, and he was like too many S's. I'll quote my dad. I'm like, my name is at this point, like mostly just.

S as an ends like it is it doesn't really work but yeah I mean I in the preseason when I would listen to Mike's interviews and they would only be able to refer to people by initials they'd be like a woman it's S something like I'm out I don't know what's woman is most of the women are yes so yeah actually and now with Annie and Nicole out it's just like all women are S and MC um and Christina and Jason and jason and jeremiah like the jays the this yeah there's a lot going on yeah we had that in blood versus water in australia where we called them the jays jordy jesse josh it was a lot there's too many um how did we get into names oh yeah the names are on the back oh yeah how did he pick up how did juan pick up the wrong back yeah joan and savannah quite

different names that one's on him yeah oh he felt so bad about it for juan Poor's your wine. Unfortunately, yes, I did take him out of chizzy contention, but I just felt bad for him. I did. Yeah. Yeah. What are your chizzy points? Oh, yes, yes. Okay, so I'm similar. I'm going to give three to Jake. I think he, for the archetype that he's playing, which is the muscle man with an ego, I think he's doing incredibly well to keep that in check. I think he's super subtle with his connections. It doesn't seem like he's done, he has. hasn't had to force anything. It's not hard for him. He's very close with Sophie, very close with Alex, and they both think they're as close with him. So I think you've got to give him credit there. And he hasn't ruffled the feathers of that either. They're giving each other side

eye, but he's not adding fuel to the fire, which I think some people do. They're like, yeah, they want to fuel this fire. He's, he's calming the waters. And I think that's, hard to do in a tribe, in a small tribe, in a fast game. So three, go to him. I'm going to give two to Sophie from our sadness tribe. Because I think she also does something about. Yeah. Yeah. I think she also does the right thing with putting all her cards out on the table so she doesn't have any skeletons in her closet. So they can't turn things against her later. She's very up front with them about this is what Annie's been saying. I did think she was a little aggressive with the,

I'm going to steal the idol, but at least she's playing that in the back of her mind. She's like, he's at an individual advantage. Are we just all going to pretend this is an idol for everyone? It's not. It's going to be an idol for Alex. And I think if it was Jake, it would be different. She'd be like, Jake has an idol.

I have an idol. But it's Alex. and she's already getting vibes off him. So I still understand that method. And I like that Sophie because she, you can see that she's trying really hard and she rolled her eyes and I relate to that. So I'm giving her two points.

And I'm going to give my last point to Nate. We didn't see a lot of Nate this week. But I, again, previous to how I felt last week, he's really good at identifying where he is in the tribe. and like Rizzo was like, you know, not to age you, but my dad. You know, you gave me a hug like my dad. And he just falls into that for him, for Riz. So he doesn't push it.

He's not like, I'm the dad out here. He just, I think he plays into his role for each person in his alliance. Like, and even people out of his alliance, the way Jawan reacts with him, I think he's in a similar position to Stephen where I think everybody loves Nate. so he's just playing that up and I want to give him a little bit of credit because I think he's being strategic about it. I think he's actively making decision how I'm going to be around certain people. So I'm going to give on to next. I think that's fair. I think that the father connection that he clearly has with Roseau was really nice. I love his confessional about all the young people

talking like these people are my age and I don't think I talk like that. I was I identified with him and then every time anyone said vibes for the rest of the whole episode, I laugh. So, yeah, it was like, it was good comedy. And then Rizzo did it like so much. Like, it was perfect. Like, he really got it.

And I think he's, he's going about it the right way where in his confessionals, he's like, I don't know what they're talking about. I don't know what these words mean. But when he's with them, he's not looking down on them for it, which I think being his age,

some people do. Like when we were out there and we would make just, Like sometimes Nash wouldn't get him. He's like, I don't get him. And he lets you know he doesn't get him. And you're like, oh, just try and come along, mate. So I think he's doing a good job of going along with his tribe.

And then personally, he's like, I got no idea what they're saying. Why do they use the word cooking in so many different variables, all this stuff? Yeah. Like, stop it, Nate. Like, you are like a high up Marvel producer. You are making films for this demographic. Yeah. Like I'm like, you know, you know the dialogue, surely even from just an academic standpoint.

But yeah, I do feel like with, um, with Sophie, she's not wrong on the idol because the person finding it, it's someone who's like, should I idol out Sophie immediately? So like, I get it. But he shouldn't be doing that. And she should also not be contributing to that. Like I just think like, what is the natural conclusion of stealing the idol? Then no one ever finds the idol. There's like so much mistrust in that group now.

Like I really think what she's done so well. and what the best thing she's done, a lot last week, but like the best thing is just locking in with this group again and just like huddling together for dear life. Like any part of like breaking into that, taking the idol, like you've barely been brought into this group project. Like I don't think you should steal the idol from someone who was technically

your ally, someone who technically brought you in. And while yes, there is blame on the fact that Alex does possibly want to take her out at a point, he doesn't do that. And I just think both of them need. to lock it, like, stop it, you know? And I think that was very aggressive to try it.

She has the power of knowing that he has it. So she's still going to think of that. She's like, I know who has it. He knows I know. So that like kind of decreases the element of surprise. Yeah. And also, I feel like it wasn't subtle either. She was like, can I just take the ball and chain?

Like, if you haven't found it days later, they would be looking at her. And they both trust, like, Alex trusts Jake so much that at a point where, like, they do vote out, say, a Jeremiah and no one found the beware advantage, he would really not trust her. Like, he would really think, I think you would be severing a lot of relationships creating a lot of mistrust. I think it's a right decision. Like, obviously, Alex finds it. So it was, she was kind of forced into not stealing it. But I don't blame her for having those selfish thoughts. I do blame her. What are you doing? And I blame Alex. I blame Alex for thinking maybe I should but I don't know that.

So I'd be like, both of you just get it together. Like, that's what Jake is probably saying. Like, you've made Jake the voice of reason. That makes me upset. Now I have to say that. And now I have to give Jake. Yeah, Jake, it's six chizzy points. And like, it's fine.

Like, Jake's doing well. I'm just saying that, like, he's the shoe bandit. And he has six jiffy points now. Look what's the greatest. The greatest line was like, what did he say? What happens when you piss off the shoe bandit? And I thought he was, I thought he was going to be really funny and say, you know what happens when you piss off the shoe bandit?

And I was going to be like, shoes go missing. But then he said something like, it gets real. I was like, oh, no, you should have said that shoes go missing. That would have been way funnier. Yeah. Again, we can ask Nate, at some point after the season, if the shoe band it with the cash raise, it gets real, is a good superhero or villain. Someone said, like, I saw online they were like talking about Nate. And I wanted to say that I want Nate to go to tribal council so bad because he's such a fan of the Goonies and that obnoxiously large ship at Tribal Council would be like his dream come true. Oh, he'd be like, the ship is ridiculous.

It's amazing. I'm like, God. It should be the coolest thing ever. It's the coolest thing I've seen. I was like, this is sick. Do we have a better catchphrase for the shoe bandit? Oh, why the left shoe? That's what I want to know.

do we have like a there must be something like don't shoot but it's like shoe shoeing all your enemies away oh what is it don't run but you can't hide actually you can't run because I stole your shoe yeah or if you mess with the shoe bandit you get the laces I don't know something yeah that's just funnier yeah I'll tie you up yeah that's not great now it's getting creepy This is my sole purpose. There is more there.

Things can be done. That's better. Soul, yeah. How are you going to win Soul Survivor without your shoes? You'll be tongue tied. We've got the tongue part and the laces. Yeah. He could really milk this.

I don't think he will. But it's still in the narrative. Send in your best shoe bandit cash phrases. Because we get six chisie points to the shoe bandit. So that's all we're at. Survivor 4. Yeah, that's what's happening. Noon, thanks so much.

Do you have anything else to say about this episode in this season? I, no, I'm excited. I still think it's a really good season. I do love the cast. Something about the new era that I do love is, although there's only a tribe of six, I feel like you get to know more people quickly.

It's like when they decided to do RuPaul's Drag Race and have two opening episodes, so you get to know the queens. It feels a bit like that. Like now I feel like I get to know a lot of people quicker. And that's what I love. I love the characters in Survivor just as much as the gameplay. So I think this has a nice slow burn.

And I am looking forward to seeing things get shaken up. But now I've loved it. I've loved that we finally got to chat. Yeah. I'm so happy we got to chat about it. Tell the people where they can find what you're doing. What am I doing? Just anything, social media, live.

Oh, where you can find me. I'm on Instagram. My name is misspelled because I was drunk when I made it. Oh, no. How's it misspelled? It's spelled Laura Nguyen because I missed an end. And now I'm scared to change it in case things disappear. It's no, it's not.

Yeah, look at it. Oh, it's, oh, dear. Oh, wow. That might have been Jesse, the official noon of your season. I don't know how to tell me this, but it is. And I'm scared to change it because what if I change it and then it like gets rid of everything? I don't think that will happen. but it's so tragic i'm pretty sure you can just change it okay i'll try but i don't know

but if i change it to all my like tagged photos disappear oh this is the worst thing ever when did you realize why didn't you said you were drunk but then didn't you sober up and then immediately change it no because i just i just left it i didn't think i'd get on the show it didn't when did you realize that it was different like maybe a couple months later? When did I make my Instagram when I was like 16? It's been over 10 years. It's so unfortunate. I didn't notice until now and I've been chatting with you and I call you. Yeah, that's fine. Because they say that's what humans do, right? As long as the beginning and the end is right, like that's why that's how typos happen is that you don't

notice the things in the middle. Yeah. Yeah. It's still got the new, the new there. And that's all people are really recognized. Yeah. Yeah. It's gone most of it other than the end that it needs to make the name. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So unfortunate that that's also how you go by. Like there was so much attachment to the Noonan name. Yeah. It's so upsetting. It's so annoying. I'm too scared to change it. Okay. Well, follow Noon at Laura Newn. Noan. Laura Nguyen. That's why I like Joanne because he's got a cool name. Yeah. That's one of the reasons. Okay, well follow Noonan. Follow me at Shannon Gates, which is to be fair. I'm making fun of your thing. Like, that's not even my name anymore. So, yeah, because I don't

want to change it because I was like, what happened to my tag photos? Yes. Thank you. It's a legitimate fear. Also, that's my ad. I didn't want to change it. But yeah, Blue Sky, Twitter, Instagram. Next week, I will have Kieran and Dino, which going to South Africa, so that's going to be our recap, so that'll be fun. Second episode of Gus and Around is out. Thank you to all the people who have checked it out. Peter and I are talking about a lot of things. Some of them serious, some of them fun. This week we talked about our gender reveal and how we feel about having a girl and Peter wants our child to collect

like rocks and stamps and I was like over my dead body and we he was like, I just want a child who has, you know, my interest and I was like, why are those your interests? And we went back and forth. I want a little swiftly. So, yeah, hopefully. And these are, this is what we're putting onto our unborn child. but that's a Gus and Around.

So Gus and Around podcast is on YouTube. You can search for Gus and Around on Spotify, on Apple. I've linked that everywhere if you want to check that out. And I think that's basically it. Noonan, thank you so much. This was such a fun time. I loved it. Thanks so much.

Thank you. Thank you to everyone for listening. Thank you to our team behind the scenes. And I will see you next time. Bye. Australian Survivor is safe. Survivor is a New Zealand. Survivor.

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