RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor Global: Survivor 49 Ep 3 with Kiran Naidoo and Dino Paulo

Episode Date: October 10, 2025

Survivor Global host Shannon Guss speaks to Survivor South Africa's Kiran Naidoo and Dino Paulo about episode 3 of Survivor 49. The trio discuss the vote, the medical episode, the state of the season and some big news at the end of the podcast.

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Hi, Sheportemate. Hi, Spoke. Hello, everyone, and welcome to IJP's coverage of Survivor 49 for Survivor Global. I'm your host, Shannon Gus, here to discuss episode three. It's been, let's be honest, let's just all, let's just have some group therapy right now. It's been a bit of a slug. And I thought, what do we need? We need something fun.

So I thought, let's be to Survivor South Africa. We have a three continental podcast today. Three people on this podcast means we have more people on this podcast. They're not on the Kelo tribe right now. That is how dire it has become. But let's take it to London first on the Survivors South Africa podcast. Firstly, it is a way, Kieran. Kieran, thank you for being here.

Shannon, what a pleasure. Is it? Yeah. Is it a pleasure? I mean, the episode was slow, but it's always a good time when it's you, me and Dina together. So that's the pleasure. I'm sure we'll make the most of what was a fairly dull episode. I feel bad because I'm like, I know you're on and off with the US and I'm like, watch it, we'll do a podcast, we'll bring you on early.

And it's just been so dire. And then I feel like personally responsible that you're, that you'll be subjected to that. I do feel this is a personal attack at an indictment on our friendship. That's so fair. It's so valid. It's gotten to that point. But I know someone can bring a lot of apologies on behalf of US. survivor and I'm sure a lot of joy into these bleak survivor times. He's the winner of

South Africa return of the outcast. It is Dino. Dino, thank you for being here. I'm so sorry for being here, Shannon. Thank you for having me. Yeah, it does still feel like I'm the least qualified of the three of us to be here, but I'm happy to just hang out and agree with your and Kieran's views. Well, Dino would be, you'd be watching it anyway, so I don't feel bad that you that you're here and you have to watch all of this. But Dina, Is the episode for this episode as a man who was close to disaster himself? Maybe not with secret, but with a fire crit. That is true.

Well, I don't know if falling in the fire is self-inflicted. Only you could be so harsh on yourself as to like blame yourself for that. There has been a lot of discussion this week. Like was this the worst medical emergency? A lot of people brought up Scoopin falling in the fire. No one loves Scoopin. Why don't we bring up Dino falling in the fire? You know, that's someone we can get.

behind who we were actually supporting you over the fire, maybe that was like the worst medical emergency. No, this guy could have actually potentially died. You could have died. No, I was fine. Like instantly, I was okay.

Anyway, so yeah, moving on, it's definitely far worse than mine. Fair enough. Well, this was, this was, this was so depressing. Like, I just want to get it out there. It's fine. But, like, it was so clear that Jeremiah

would go next from Keller and, like, not even a medivac could help him, and medivacs are so depressing to me. And it's just, like, the fact that, like, the other tribes couldn't even celebrate winning the challenge. And it's just so bleak. Was this fun for, like, Mike White test, like, was anyone, was there any fun here? Kieran, can you bring any of the joy back for me of how this, like, pre-swap slog has gone? I mean, as a survivor love, it was nice to look behind the curtain. and see what was going on.

So I would say that was probably the most interesting part. The fact that they brought out the dangerous animal slash, please do not touch these things book. As will be familiar with, that was fun. I mean, yeah, it's really bad and fairly morbid when, you know, the near-death experience is the most fun part of the episode. Yeah, no, I got it. I can't find any other redeeming qualities, to be fair, Shan.

Kieran brought death. Okay, Dino, do you have better than death for the fun in this episode? So I think what's sad for me isn't maybe just from a view of perspective, but I think for the players it's a bit rough because here we are. We're seeing like MC and Steve who are dying to get going and play and, you know, getting a bit frustrated with the kumbayanas. And then you've got, you know, Sage who's kind of reading a room and maybe not making you know, maybe overestimating her relationship with Shannon,

but also wanting to play. And these guys, you know, these tribes are dying to play, not enough to go throw a challenge because you don't want to put yourself in unnecessary danger. And then you've got this one tribe just whittling away, and you've already given this narrative of, oh, we've got to get up because it's going to be us versus them and, you know, who's going to snap up for two?

Like, but I'm like, man, that's not making for exciting play. So that's where it gets sad for me. And I'm like, the three-trib format, especially without a pre-swap, which we see is going to come up, I mean, kind of has to, is just not doing it. It's just not cutting the bust at this stage. So unfortunately, when you've got one tribe just whittling away, I mean, it's more sad than it is exciting, you know, like I feel for Jeremiah, like, how much more can you do? Like, well-done to Sophie, playing great move.

But, I mean, you're only allowing a handful of people to play, and the rest of them are just kind of doing challenges and getting back. Yeah, 100%. I think for all of us as fans, it always hurts when you're like, did Jeremiah do anything wrong or is it just like the hardest survivor has ever been? You know, like for him specifically, for the Kalia tribe, like it's so hard. And that's not to say that Alex and Sophie haven't done great and they're going to be running away with the chizzy points because no one else has played the game yet.

But I do think that it just, again, it feels like he's just being played by the game. And we've spoken so much about, you know, why do these disasters? the tribe, these tribes happen, like, is it three tribes? Is it lack of flint and supplies? Is it the mental fatigue? Is it the homogenous challenges? Like, it's been spoken across every podcast for years now because it's been happening so much. I think we should pivot from assigning the blame to just be like, they need to be more proactive about making game time decisions as production. Like we said last week, I was like, it's like a 90% chance to Jeremiah has gone next without even the medivac, knowing Alex had an idol, knowing the dynamics in the tribe.

If they can see that and it looks so bleak, swap them, swap them now. Like, I don't blame them for not swapping after the medivac because then you have to go to an immunity challenge and, like, tribal council that night in new tribes, that would be impossible. But I think they should have just swapped them. Like, I don't know the constraints of production. And I do respect that they're not trying to, you know, put their thumb on the scale and they do have things laid out before the season starts.

but I also think there needs to be like a fluidity and like a liveliness to this is bad TV. Things are looking bleak. Let's change it up. Let's do something exciting. And I think maybe they're just a little bit too constrained themselves. Like I saw that Jeff answered this with Mike and he asked about swaps and stuff. And he was like, no, we have it all set out. I respect it.

But I also think producing surely has to be live and like making decisions when things are going in such a like dismal direction. I disagree. Okay. I disagree. I think with Survivor, and again, it's like David Attenborough watching a cheetah chase a gazelle. You feel sorry for the gazelle, but you just got to let the disaster happen. No, no, he should be saving that gazelle. Strong disagree.

Save the gazelle. I shouldn't have brought this up with a vegetarian. This was a exact wrong example. agreement with Kieran, yeah. So, like, the production needs to have it rolled out. You don't have production experience. I think where it falls over is that we've had a number of seasons with the exact same structure where something should be predetermined at an earlier stage, you know, two, two travels, then a swap or a three travel than a swap, you know, like, although I suppose that technique is what they've kind of got already. It's just a medevac

that's rolled in with the disaster tribe. So, yeah, but I'm with Kieran. I think the production decisions, they should be blurred when disasters happen that are completely out of their control, like, well, not but like a mini-back, so they need to be flirt in that way, but not flirt in the format of like, oh, this isn't making interesting TV, so let's do something as a result

because then you take the authenticity or the integrity of the game, yeah. That being said, I do think, Shan, and I know we want to pivot away from it, but I think the format does require some change. There are multiple different things that should be changed to prevent this from happening.

So actually planning swaps earlier, not having three tribes, all the stuff that you've rightfully pointed out, those are the things that should change. So essentially, instead of watching, I'll go back to the Cheetah and Gazelle, instead of watching a cheetah and chasing a gazelle in the African, on the African plane, we're watching a cheetah chase a gazelle in a cage zoo, pretty much, right?

That's what it feels like now. there's nothing Keller can do, they're just going to lose time and time again. And it's because they're low in energy, they have the brain fog. They don't have Flint, you know, like a lot of these elements are just being exacerbated by productions, free game decisions. Like, continuing to take away their Flint, fine, it's great from the, it's great from the perspective if you want to go more towards being a survivalist show, but then show that content because otherwise there's no there's absolutely no payoff to anyone i'm not seeing we saw

them eat earthworms but beyond that there's no you're not sensing the struggle beyond when you get to a challenge so the the production decision versus what they're putting on screen for us to view they're not jelling together if you want the best gameplay then give everyone the best chance of coming to the game yeah i mean look as someone who produced both of your seasons, as we know, I'm very fluid because I was rigging the game for Dino. So that's where I come and that's how that happened. But I do think it is funny because I'm like, they need to change it up earlier because the production decisions are so bad. Can we get away from it? Number one would be maybe you don't make

those decisions so that you have to immediately pivot because it's going in such a pretty terrible direction. So of course that. But the thing is that they do pull the lever because we know the swaps happen only when tribes get down to what's usually three players in the new era and now with the medievac, it's two. I don't think there's a swap next episode if we've had a fairly even challenge win record, which you've had in, you know, a couple of the seasons. So I do think that they are making some game time decisions, but they just aren't making it early enough. And at the point where there is a line, I think shift the line because it's going to be that bad. Like at the end of the day, this is meant to be an entertainment product. Like, were we entertained?

I just found it really bleat. Like at a point, again, when they can't even celebrate winning a challenge, it feels bleak. But most of the blame goes to the original production and the confines. By the way, three episodes in a row where we just complain about the new year for the first 50 minutes of the podcast. But yeah, at that point, if it's really dire, yeah, like start making changes. Not to save Kele, like not to help them, but to save the TV product. Like it's less about Jeremiah for me than it is for like my personal enjoyment.

Sophie's like, it might be fun to watch it home. I'm like, Sophie, it is not. I'm suffering more than you are. I assure you of that. So that's what, but I do appreciate that like it is meant to be, you know, documentary style. It's not a good documentary though. And I don't really.

I will say what was entertaining as a bar product was the Hino tribe montage that they put together of all the Reddit comments of how they're going to be the disaster tribe. And it's just them dunking one after win after win with the Reddit comments. So I found that pretty entertaining. as a byproduct, so well done to the Hina tribe for making the most of the situation and giving them the themselves in airtime.

Hina seemed fun and I truly can't wait to meet them. Oh, I do, absolutely. I think overall the cast is going to be quite fun and I think it's going to be constrained. Sorry, Dina, I was talking over you. No, all good. Continue. I was going to say, surely what this means

is just Kelle, I mean, we have Sophia and Alex surely they're just going to absolutely dominate for as long as they last because they're so battle-hardened and everyone else's, they're literally just going to go for each other. So I'm very long on the two of them for their prospects and just the outsized impact

they're going to have on the game going forward. I think it gets difficult for them around six or five when people start going ooh, resume, resume, been to every single tribal council that how do you beat that? You know, how do you, how do you top that? So I think that's where it gets challenging. But I think early merge, they're the, yeah.

Can I tell you why? Yeah. I think they're going to go be very, like, we've seen it go either way. Like we've seen like Kenzie and Jam Jam win. We've seen like, you know, Ricard and Chan go to like five and eight. We went very, very badly last season. But I think it depends on the cast. And this cast seem very kind.

Like, again, this cast are like, like, I don't know how to help them. Like, as Taylor has said, it's so sad. And I think that they are not cruel enough to just say, like, you've been through enough, you take a couple of votes off. And I do think they'll be fighting for those numbers because it is now like a war between two six-person tribes. And I think they're both really good players who played this very tricky situation as well as they could.

So I do, I've got, yeah, my hopes high. I think that's the important thing to know Chaz that I think they're both two exceptional players. I think they've both got, they understand their toolkits, they understand what they have as strength, and they really lean into it to make the most of it. Like, I mean, Alex is just such a likable guy. He's got this, like, goofy smile, but he is analyzing you and everything about you and absolutely playing you. So if you know, he's a Libra. And he's a Libra. Sophie, Sophie, so if you know she's manipulative and she's not shy in, in, in, very directly applying pressure.

She doesn't let let up, you know, she's far more direct with it than what I think most people would be, but she reminds me of Marion in a way where she's like, I've got this, the skill set. I'm just going to apply pressure, pressure, pressure. So I think they're both very skillful players, and I can't wait for them to integrate and start working with other new, new players that they haven't been exposed to.

Yeah, I thought, I mean, how did you think they did in this episode? because we don't get a lot of three-person votes. I think Josh Kettle said on Blue Sky that it's our fourth ever in US Survivor. And because usually obviously in a final three, one person is voting. I thought Alex kind of was that person in a way. Like he kind of had immunity,

but it wasn't assured because it was an idol. Kieran, what did you think about how Alex and Sophie did on this vote? I think Sophie did really well. I think she was, the edit might have tried to create a bit of tension, but I always felt that she had a better relationship with Alex than Jeremiah did. So I think she really did well. And, you know, again, you can see how good she'll be at a post-merge level because she kept Jeremiah happy, even though I would assume she knew that things were going to go her way,

which is really good once you start thinking about who you're placing on the jury and how they feel about you. I think Alex can't help but wonder whether he was a winner or loser because he played his idol. And that's the big thing. He probably could have gotten away with not playing it. It would have been a nervy night. I do think he made the right decision. having had an idol before it does play with your mind and it's very hard to figure out what's best

and you can't help but think four five steps ahead in terms of how you could play it and it becomes very risky. So I think just going for that safety, knowing you're going to be assured and just having a clear head, especially when these guys are eating earthworms, I think it was just the best thing for him to do.

so yeah no no complaints it did it didn't help the episode ratings by by any means but i think for his game and just knowing what he needs to do i think he did the right thing by getting rid of that idea what did you think dino so i'm glad kieran said it like um does he feel like we know loser uh versus did he make the right move and i'd be 100 percent um i think so I mean, we talk about, you mentioned, Shan, that Alex had, like, implied immunity, but actually the safest person in that vote was Sophie. She's the only one that can

pick up a vote. You know, it's just slowly dying. I think what's, well, while Dino dies, I'll just... I'm back, sorry. You made it. Sorry about that. It's a very dangerous game, this podcasting about...

Miss Simecock. You have to medivac me from this podcast at some point. So Sophie ended up being the safest person there, you know, Jeremiah votes for Alex, Alex votes for Jeremiah, and no votes on Sophie. So even though Alex had this implied immunity, she still had the, she was still the safest person at that tribal, and well done to her for nurturing both his relationships and making the correct decision. And I agree with Kieran, Alex did the absolute right thing.

Yes, retrospectively, you can look back and go like, oh, he could have saved his idol, but going into that tribal with the odds, that low and just taking one swing vote and not knowing who's playing who, reading that. You know, Sophie had considered making a move on Alex and flashing the idol and getting rid of Alex and continuing with Jeremiah. She had considered it. So how close she was to actually trying to execute that, he would never know. And we, even us as viewers with insight into a game might not have fully known which way

she was going to go. So Alex made the right call by playing it. It just wasn't the best outcome, but it was better than the other outcome of not playing. and then going home, like, yeah, exponentially better. At the same time, he goes to the next phase with an ally anyway. So Sophie is not just going to suddenly turn on him, even though she might have wanted to flush his idol and maybe saw a better, longer-term future with Jeremiah,

she still sees him as a really good ally and quite frankly, her only ally in the closest relationship. So he goes to the next phase of the game unscathed with a good relationship. And Sophie's big move there is that she wants. walks away with, you know, having flashed an idol, which was her intention, and solidifying immense trust with him because she's like, well, I said, I was going to vote Jeremiah. I did. Now, you know, I can trust me. So, yeah, I think, I think the two of them did the best they could in a dire, dire situation. So well done to both of them. And I think that the

idol would, would become a hindrance for him, like, in a tribe swap configuration. It's, it's going to save you for one vote, but everywhere, like, wherever they go, Sophie will tell other people. You can't trust that she's going to keep that for herself, and that immediately puts a target on Alex's back. So the fact that it's gone, you know, reduces some of that pressure. If anything, he can turn the heat on Sophie because she's maneuvered well. And in that scenario, she dictated the votes, even though Alex had the idol. So he's actually put himself behind her going into going to take place, which is actually the best place to be. So, yeah, he's managed to significantly lower his threat level going into whatever swap is coming

out where. Yeah, I do think that's true because we're saying we think they can coast for a bit and be used as numbers and that might be a less attractive option if he's more threatening with an idol. So I do think that is true. I think Sophie could kind of look at it like did she fully win because she wanted Alex out and that was an impossibility. But I think that she made the right choice.

Like at first she is trying to do that and I think she's doing quite. well in the way she's, you know, trying to get Alex out even with his idol by not being like, no, don't play it. She's like, if you feel you need to, you do it. Like, that soft touch might actually make him not play it, whereas if you're like, definitely don't, like, then you definitely do. So I thought she was doing well, but then she pivoted well. And it was kind of shown to us, it was like, oh, I would be the target if Alex plays

his idol. But I think it's more just the threat that Alex will play his idol. And I thought Alex played it well because Alex was like, I'm probably going to play it. You know, and I think that you don't want like a sneak attack idol win. Like you're looking to go in with allies. I think he gave him a lot of leverage and bargaining power because he was in control. And if you're Sophie and Walt should have really been Jeremiah and if Jeremiah went wrong anywhere, which is so unfair because he shouldn't even even been in this situation.

But the thing that I think they both had to realize and Sophie did was the potential for Alex's power was just too great. Like if Alex was playing that idol, he decides the vote no matter what happens. You both vote for him, bounce back he decides. if you 1-1-1 vote, then it's a 1-1. He's played the idol, he decides, or he could not need the idol as we saw and attached to a vote, and then he, with you or with the other person, will decide.

So if that's going to be the case, then someone like Sophie or Jeremiah, what they should be trying to get out of it is firstly a good relationship with someone who is likely to survive, which he gets, and also appealing to him. And we see Sophie does this before the vote. She's like, Jeremiah is going to vote for you,

and I am not. And what would have happened if he had voted for Sophie and we'd had the same votes except that he'd voted for Sophie instead of voting for Jeremiah what would have happened is it would have been a 1-1-1 but Alice would have decided

and even though he'd voted for Sophie she didn't vote for him and Jeremiah would have and that could be the difference between saying and going I do think as much as you might want to keep Jeremiah you need to keep yourself

and in a three-person vote before a definite swap survival instinct has to play out I think Sophie's a very aware player like that and I think she's She did that where Jeremiah didn't. Like Jeremiah should have been doing the same thing campaigning to Alex with full truth,

that he was all the way with Alex. And maybe then Alex makes a different decision. Because it really, I think you needed to recognize Alex's power and just play into that. And I think Sophie did that very well. Yeah. And then he played his idol as well, which worked out perfectly for her. So no notes on that for either of them. It was a very constrained situation.

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See your local Nissan dealer today. The one bit of solace is, not solace, but I mean, I think Jeremiah was fighting and losing battle. So even if Jake does it. get medevacked they don't win that challenge Jake's not getting them there four days in advance to have extra type of the puzzle they're not so they're not winning the challenge anyway

so Jeremiah was doomed from the start he's not wriggling his way out of this so I mean it sucks that there was no options for him really and I don't know if he can take solace in that or be bleak about it but I mean yeah I think the one bit for me as a view is like the medivac didn't really change the outcome of who ended up going home except for the additional medivac. Not the medivac, just the fact that they were put on a disaster try without Flint, without any room to move and just playing Survivor at level 1,000,

while everyone else has not, you know, lit their torch yet, sure, but it's not the medivac's fault. Nothing could stop. This was Jeremiah's time. Nothing could stop this from happening. Let's talk about the medivac because I think, you know, as we say Alex and Sophie, we think are in um a great spot and jake you know jake's always going to become a threat like look at jake but i do think jake was in a good spot as well um there might have been a little bit less sympathy for calia when it was just a little less sad without a me medivac but like jeremiah would have gone probably jeremiah seems to think that like sophie could get jake to turn on i think jake is making that decision and i think jeremiah goes regardless um this

but this was just so sad to me because all medivacs are so sad kieran what did you think Did you think, you know, in your vast medical experience as a, someone who has no medical experience? I'm getting questions about this and they're like, this wasn't handled well. I'm like, I don't know. I'm not a talk. But what did you think? Did you kind of feel like Jake could come back? I kind of felt like maybe he could he come back?

I thought he was going to come back. Because, I mean, I learned a lot of different things in this episode. I've never heard of the term dry bite, which as a South African, I probably should have. but when I was like, oh, it's a dry bite, fine. Surely he's coming back. And then when I sat and thought about it more, I guess the risk was just too high. Maybe he's presenting whilst he's getting fluids and then you take him back and he faints. And then, you know, there's a trace amount of venom or I don't know how dry bites work. And then it's a whole thing. So the safest decision was taken. It was the sad decision. I really like Jake as as a character. And I found, I find, I find, I find, him fun and interesting. I think he was, him and Alex were too bro-y and that's always a risk because everyone can see it from a mile away. But a good character. I would have, I would have loved to have had an interview with The Secret, though, and get their view as to what happened because all we saw was Jake was sitting on the beach. Was he swimming? Did he see the snake and let

the snake come up to him, being like, hey, mate, and then the snake got him? Or what actually happened. Yeah. I read an interview with Jake. Okay. Well, do shit. And he said he would, he would kind of like sit with his feet in the water and like close his eyes and like speak to his family. And he got bit. And he got, then he just got bit. And I feel bad because I did spend this whole week of gussing around talking about how much I love snakes and about my snake ring. And then I was like, this is giving snakes a really bad name. Do you think that was, I want to know which family member was he was he talking to at that I think it was his wife trying to get him back home for the birth of the baby

100%. The life sent that snake. Yes. I think he at least got back for the birth of his child. I didn't remember this at all. I kind of like when we were on our honeymoon from hell and there was a cyclone in Fiji, Peter says we were snorkeling after the cyclone like a whatever the next day or something and then there were secrets. He's like, those were the snakes we saw. Don't you remember?

I'm like, I remember you screaming and yelling and. running and then never going in the ocean again for the rest of the entire trip so that's what i remember but he said that they told us like that they can only really pierce through like the webbed part of your feet and hands like i think it's he said it's hard for them to get get the venom into your body but again peter's not like he has no medical knowledge either he's just like a jewish man um which is from from another man when it comes to snakes when it comes to first aid what I should say is Peter's like a Jewish mom

and that like people have said this to my mom before they're like are you a doctor she's like no I'm just a Jewish mother but yeah I kind of thought Jake maybe I'm like can he come back like it was a dry bite which you all just learned is fine you're like yes it's a dry bite do you know what did you think did you feel like this should have taken Jake back to his unborn

baby or did you kind of feel like get over and get back in the game as as season 8's medieval vac when I was medically evacuated for a shattered heart when my best mate wrote my name down. No, no, no, no. Season 8. No, man, I feel for the guy and that feeling of being, you know, having something

happened to you and it's going like, okay, cool, you know that this could end your game, but then being in a mode of like, I'm not leaving, you know, I don't want to leave, I don't want to get out of here like this is this is my dream i want to be here i'm going to be fine i didn't necessarily see that in the content we're presented with with jake to go like you know stuff you guys you're not you're not taking me out of here i think i think jake very much seemed at peace with it and the right call is made i'm not going to argue with doctors the risks are incredibly high um i don't think i mean it's like a 45 minute boat ride from their island to where medical was to base camp and how do you how do you mitigate those risks if you send him back to camp

under those conditions where, you know, symptoms can develop over the following couple of days. Logistically, I just don't see it as viable when something potentially life-threatening is happening. So, yeah, absolutely the right cause made. And I think what makes me feel okay with it is that I see, like, a lot of peace in Jake is that he knows the right calls being made. And there's no, like, fight with him going, like, there's no ways I'm leaving. Like, you guys aren't taking me. Like, if they try to pull me when I was like, when I fell into the fire, I was going kicking and screaming. And he's just like, right call.

And I think the idea of having a wife at home who's about to give birth and not knowing where she's at with that and having this confrontation with the near death experience, which, I mean, you know, a snake fight like that is apparently really, really serious. So, yeah, the fact that he leaves with peace in his heart, I'm like, cool, the right thing happened. And it's sad to lose Jake because, as, as Karen said, what a cool character. I think had the capacity to keep the season super, super interesting. Yeah, I mean, he's absolutely nailed it with his wife, right? Other than winning a million dollars, he's gone to play Survivor. He got Medivac. So, you know, he didn't get voted out.

Chances are he'll get called back again at some point because of just the way he went out. And he's gotten back in time for the birth of his child. So his wife can't even be mad at him. He smashed it. Maybe he did provoke the snake. You're right. This is a little too convenient. I mean, we need to look at, we didn't zoom in on that bite close enough.

Does it match the incisors on Alex's mouth? Because that could have been Alex, actually. It was getting fairly erotic. Maybe that's the point that it got to. That's why we need those guys who zoomed in on Trump's ear to do the same analysis to Jake's foot. And now it's getting political. I don't think it was. was fake. I think he got bitten by the snake. I just like, I, I, I, I, I, I,

way to talk about Alex Shannon. I love snakes. I've been saying all week how much I love snakes. Team snake forever, but not in this case, obviously the snake did the wrong thing. I don't think we could say it's a bad snake. I think that the snake, obviously, anyway, it was a scared snake. People were saying, we talk about the lion and the gazelle, the cheater and the gazelle. We didn't see the actual snake by, but people were like, they just film him getting, getting bitten But his eyes are closed and they're like, do we intervene? They're like, no, no, this is a documentary. We let the cheetah eat the gazelle.

Always save the gazelle. I think if someone is going to get bit by the snake, you say, hey, there's a snake. I think that they can intervene at that point. That's my. It made me wonder about like how clearly the indemnity forms and the waivers that the players were signing aren't as strong as I thought they were. I thought Jeff were just throwing back into the ocean. say come on swim back you're fine to go you're good to go um yeah no i was going to i was going to disagree with jeff right not that the doctor's fine they made the right call they ended up taking

him to a um hospital in australia i was like ooh australia and he kept mentioning jake kept mentioning australia so maybe he just wanted he really got everything he wanted out of this experience but um jeff said three reasons he got medibacked right the first one they needed to take him to australia to monitor him i'm like that's fair i can't really argue with that the second one, you can't put him back into that environment after, like, such a traumatic incident. I was like, that's fair. But, like, if you can put, if, like, if he needs something, like, more nutrition or something to put him back in that environment, like, I think give him everything he needs.

But if he really can't go back, like, fair enough, Jeff. But the third thing he said was it's an unfair advantage that he's had fluids and stuff. And I'm like, no, don't even be thinking like that. Would any person in the game think it's unfair? Like, clearly you just said he went through a traumatic incident where he can't even be out there, like he's not come back up to par on getting medical attention. See, this is, and this is what I've always said, like, in terms of, like, how we have medical immunity, people can spend an entire night in hospital and come back. I think that's great.

Anything that prevents more medivax, I think is great. And I don't think it's unfair. I think that it sucks to get bitten by a snake. So at that point, now it kind of just evens out in the wash. But I don't know. When do you sit on that, Kieran, do you think that is that? I think Jeff is the custodian of the game should have given every other member of the Kele tribe drive bite to just even out the odds and then we could everyone could have been

Why Kele? Why not the whole car? Well they are the they are the facts of the the joke last of the season Kele you're all going to get a bit now I think the first point makes sense the second about trauma

I mean ask the guy and also like if he goes back and he's getting flashbacks of the snake then pull him out then like you don't know how if that's the trauma right Like, you don't know what's going to upset you until you're back in that moment. And then the third point, no, not really. Because, I mean, to your point, Shan, I think we all not knew who was going home.

I don't think, I think irrespective of how many fluids and meals he might have had in hospital, they were still going to lose that puzzle. So there wouldn't have really been a significant advantage. and from when we were on the island, like we'd eat a single meal, yes, you'd get a bit of energy, but then the next day you're back to feeling depleted. So I don't necessarily think it would have made a significant difference

to him nor given him any sort of competitive advantage. Yeah. Yeah. I think that that's kind of one of those outdated things where, like, in Australian Survivor, they just were like, no, you can have medical attention, even like overnight medical attention and come back in the game.

Yeah. In Australia and Survivor, they've got a staple of rice and beans so Disha getting food, you know? Like, again, I'll say people have to dunk on New Era going like, oh, it's after 26 days. I go like, hey, guys, look, I know everybody says Australia is so hardcore, but

it's 47 days. Credit, no, but still credits you to the new era players, they get absolutely nothing by way of sustenance. And that is, that is, the brainfire. I'm so glad they had those shots of like people just losing their minds at tribal because that happens so many times throughout the day

that you're just having these like conversations or thoughts and then your mind just spaces out and you have zero recollection of where you're at. It's like a day in the life of me anyway. So but like it's, yeah, I mean it's, yeah, there's no ways without some sort of sustenance he could have gone back out there. And I agree with Karen again, like just give him something, refuel him if you needed to. But I don't think that's the primary reason. the long-standing effects of the bite

and potentially the later showing symptoms and the risk of that is the main reason. I don't think the psychological and the disparity and a perceived advantage is really factored in as much as Jeff might have said it did. Yeah, but the thing is that he does factor it in in other times and I just don't think it should matter at all. Like I think that all of this is about how much you

interview with the gazelle. I'm clearly like, give that gazelle an apple and let it keep running, you know? like I but that's that's like the analogy I'm always going to use now here and I love it. I was laughing about and it was wrong to laugh but like the way that Alex was like I'll go check the book and then he comes back and he's like they do say to avoid it. He's like he's just in the background like he like really got the information and like no one else knew and he was like I don't know how to say this.

It did make me laugh. That was funny. That was very funny. He was a good friend in that moment and just keeping that. Dude, do you think I'm going to be fine? Yeah, everything's good. Yeah. Then he goes on the boat and he's like, he's going to die.

He's not coming back. That was funny. Yeah, probably not for them. Probably not for Kelle, but it was, yeah, truly painful. Do we have stuff? Who from the other tribes are standing out to you? Do we have more on Kela? Poor Kelle.

Well, no, because there's not enough people to have more on anymore. Yeah, exactly. But question, we did see the next time on Survivor that Sophie is wearing a Hina bath. Do we see where Alex's place? No, I think we saw, I think it was five people. We don't know if it's a two tribe or three tribe swap. I pray for two tribes. Have a nice stuff in enough.

What would be interesting is, let's say Alex and Sophie, let's say it was a two tribe swap or even a three tribe swap. And Alex and Sophie swapped together to a new tribe. Then it's not as plain sailing as we've been saying. That does actually mix it up a bit and make them work for one or two votes. But in terms of your question, yeah, there's a lot of potential on the other trials. I mean, MC is definitely a standout for me on Hina. Somebody who's rearing to go seems like the full package, super smart, charming, really funny, athletic and wanting to play the game. you know so I see I see somebody who's willing to push the boundary so I'm really excited to

emcee Steve seems like a really cool guy I like Jason's pretty he's got this like really loveable nerdy puzzle guy thing to him um Nate from early Nate earlier on in the season being like you know I feel like the old man here I'm a bit out of out of touch here but and I really want to play but he's just trying to fit in and you can see he's like visibly frustrated but like playing cool. I'm excited to see when he gets a bit of opportunity to actually play and maneuver what he comes up with. I think he's super astute. And then of course you've got the big characters in Luxavanna and of course Rizzo, who

Rizzo in confessionals is absolutely confessional gold. So a lot of potential in depth in this cast and I'm excited to see them actually like come to the fore. Strategize. Have relationships that will bear out with meaning. Yeah. I'm a big fan of there is God. All right. G-O-D. God, baby.

No, you guys don't do that. See, now you're making a bad again. I was turning and now that you guys are doing that, I'm hating it again. It's just funny. For some of the confessions just remind me of like older school survivor, even though all the words you're saying are very... Word invented. Gen Z, Gen Alpha, like beyond my depth.

But I really, I enjoy him. I think everyone is just rearing to go. And I think I just sense things are just going to get exceptionally messy. because people just want to play the game, they're just going to do stupid things, which will be really fun. And thank you for inviting us to talk about that episode, Shannon. Yes, hey, it's not my fault.

Okay, I think they should have swapped last time, okay? So I, and you said no. So this is, you chose for the Gazelle to die and here we are. Yes, but I, okay, well, there was something. I mean, the thing that's really hard is, as we've said, like all of the fractures we've seen in these tribes are not going to play out into votes. So are they meaningless or is anything there?

Like, in your opinion, Dino, the fact that like Sage is kind of worried about Savannah and then Shannon's kind of getting in the middle of that, like does that play out or is that like a conversation that someone has and then you swap and they're fine? Like, how much do you think that this actually plays out into dynamics in another phase of the game? Depends on.

how the swap goes and who's left with who. But the editors have chosen to show us that dynamic for a reason. Well, that's sure of something. Yeah, true. It's either to build a bit of tension and, you know, maybe a speculative future vote where there is a decision to be made. But I think there is a bit of a forewarning that things aren't all sunshine and roses on that tribe. and there is going to be a bit of a sage versus Savannah war brewing.

And, yeah, if they end up on the same tribe in the next episode, I don't know if we got a glimpse of where they land up in the next time of the survivor. But I think there will be a bit of underlying tension, particularly if you're in a 3-2 or a 42 situation with a potential swing and, you know, the paranoia, not having gone to travel and established where people actually sit, this little bit of information that sits at the back of your mind that somebody's actually willing to throw your name out, you're supposed to be an ally,

can absolutely fester. So I suspect it will have more of an impact than not. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think Savannah took it in a way that that could be true. But I felt like Sage was kind of like, and Sage was right, to be fair. Sage was like, yeah, I think Savannah could have these other relationships. And that's what we have seen.

I thought it was a big credit to Shannon that Shannon's doing the same thing. And Sage not only doesn't see that, but feels so comfortable with Shannon that she will come to her and be like, Savannah has these other relationships that Shannon also has, like their number ones who have made this kind of four and this decision.

So I thought that was really good from Shannon. I thought that Shannon takes it back quite softly to Savannah. She's like, it wasn't really a big deal, but I'm just like, I just want you to have all the information. But Savannah's the one who's like, we can vote you out right now, all right? It's like, actually you can't because you'll never go to tribal council. So that's an empty threat.

But I felt like Savannah made that choice, you know? Do you think that there's potential that Savannah blows it up for Shannon, like has a heated moment where all of a sudden something happens and Savannah turns and goes, well, Sage, you're coming for me anyway. And then that, like, blows up Shannon sparked. And then all of a sudden it's not a great move from Shannon. And maybe Shannon should have just sat on that knowing that she's in the middle.

I don't know because I haven't seen Savannah play the game. You know, like I don't know what I'm playing as she is. These people are playing with absolutely no pressure on them at all. I think maybe there's so little going on I don't know if it's Savannah's fault I don't know if she's so much of a hothead I just think like when nothing is happening

and you hear your name you're like what but like maybe when they start playing the game it won't feel as a cute so I don't I think Shannon's most Savannah better than I do and she trusts it like I kind of trust her like she's the Shannon who has way more information in this situation so

but she did take it very harshly but I also think maybe out of boredom Kieran, what do you think? Are these fractures anything on Ouli? Are they just going to be like 6-6 against Hina and it's all fine? Yeah, it's a really interesting one. And you can't help but one, exactly the same as Dino said. Are the producers trying to tell us something?

Are they foreshadowing by putting this in? Or, Shan, to your point, is there absolutely nothing going on? And they're just trying to drip feed us something exciting from the tribe itself. I don't know. It could be something it can't. So it's the worst answer. It's the most consulting answer I can give you. It depends.

What I will say is I think Shannon will be fine. I've been surprised and really impressed by her. When I first, when we were first introduced to her, she was quite kooky and they were praying about the chicken and I was like, oh my God, what is all of this? I find it exasperated. All right. But then I'm like, oh, she's actually.

just in a Nessu region. She's like exactly the same type of character. And if she is anything like Anessa, she'll be absolutely fine, like anything thrown her way. Like she'll have the words and she'll have the connections to absolutely like own that moment and everyone, have everyone like eating out of the palm of her hands. But yeah, in terms of long term, what's, what's going to happen? It's hard to tell. Like if you remember, I think it was the first episode where was it Joanne couldn't make the fire and then he stormed off and They use that to say he's on the outs. But in my mind, like, is that going to be bigger down the line?

Is he going to lose his temper again? I don't know. So I can't tell whether it's a long-term storytelling mechanism or jeepers. Things are so good over at Yuli that this was the only moment where there was some excitement over the course of one or two days. Yeah, I mean, first I don't think it was a chicken. It was a crab, wasn't it? Oh, yeah.

Even worse. It was a crab. You just hate all animals. That's fine. A crustacean. It's the insect of the sea. I disagree. I think the big winners here out of a potential tribe swap would be Jawan and Sage and obviously Kele.

I think Hina tribe don't really benefit from a short-term safety point of view. Never mind like you need something on the resume. You need to go to tribal council and play the game. But I think Uli were most likely to lose a challenge and have to go to try to. tribal and joan and sage are the most likely boots there so i think they're probably the biggest winners from this potential tribe swap and the biggest losers are are you know in this actual configuration yeah i don't think either of these tribes fractures are important soon i think that they have focused and i think the thing as well as like they focus on joan being on the house and

they focus on sage being on the house but then there's a secret scene last week where jean's like we really love each other like we're a family and then you know but that's content's not going to make the episode because that's not good. In fact, in this episode, even Jason, who's not in the four, was like, we love each other. You know, like, especially for Hina, those fractures seem non-existent. And for Uli, they might be like raring to play, but I don't know that those fractures are, like, so meaningful right now. So, yeah, I just feel like they have to show dynamics on a try, but those dynamics are happening in the case that there may be a vote, but there's not going to be a vote.

So I think that's kind of just like, they like, you know, drift off into nothing for me. I thought this was a good episode for MC, not just because she found the idol, but because Stephen said MC was his number one. And Stephen is like the bell of the ball. We've seen the pretty much the only thing we've seen from Hina is how much everyone loves Stephen. We've heard that from, I think, almost every single person on the tribe, except maybe Sophie. Yeah. So, and we've heard like pretty much nothing from Christina.

but we know that she loves Stephen like we don't know a lot about these players other than how they feel about Stephen and for him to say that MC was his number one and for them to cement that with the idol like I thought that was really good and obviously that is legitimate like that closeness will play out

I just think that close relationships will like obviously evolve over time but fractures may not you know come to pass as quickly as we think I think that's where I sit with it yeah I'm not going to hold with you well you should because what do I know I mean I don't think that crabs are insects of the sea

would I touch your crab no would I eat it though no it's it's delicious do I think praying to it was I do I think thanking the crab for sacrifice was nice yes I was like I came in judging Shannon so hot and then I was like she I get it she's been great see the crowds aren't mad you know i bet a snake wouldn't bite Shannon because she'd be all like connected or would Shannon let the snake bite her because she felt sorry for the snake you need a release you look stressed dry bite my hand i really just feel like the snakes like the snakes could have looked to production and being like um kelly you've had it tough enough i'm going to heena i'm going to take out their best

puzzle maker jason where's that foot also it has been said and it's not funny but it was crazy that the shoe band had got bit on the foot by the snake. After everything, it felt somewhat karmic. Like, no, it's, he didn't deserve it. Surely that is exactly why they showed that

because there was no other bail other than a fact. They're not nothing else to show. They're like, this is really, you don't even know what's coming. There's going to be a punchline or a bite, a dry bite line coming up soon. Like, yeah, maybe. Was it the left foot?

do we know wasn't he hiding it looked like his effort the fact that this has been a storyline it's just it's just so unfortunate the fact that this is this is where we're at

we're trying to dissect an episode and this is what we're busy discussing is reflective of the episode was the snake's sense of irony I think these are good questions very good questions we got

yeah we got actual questions if we want to go to that. A lot of them was about the idol. Matt Benjamin says, what are your thoughts on idols only being able to be found after your tribe loses immunity? Put the tribes in a spot now

where everybody knows no one in yellow red actually has an idol at the side of the swap. And then Leo also said, well, with the tribe swap next week, likely, we know this trap swap. Rizzo and MC both have beware idols that require dealing you the well

after a tribe lost and a clue if they end up on the same tribe but productions will bury their clues together because they bind both idols. So yeah, I do think this is a little messy. Do you guys, what do you, what do you like or think about here and about the mechanism that you can only actually get the idol once you lose immunity, which no one does ever.

Maybe it's just a phase you're going through. You'll get over it. I can't help you with that. The next appointment is in six months. You're not alone. Finding mental health support shouldn't leave you feeling more lost. At CAMH, we know how frustrating it can be trying to access care. We're working to build a future where the path to support is clear, and every step forward feels like progress, not another wrong turn. Visit camh.ca to help us forge a better path for mental health care. Yeah, it's interesting, right, because you have this trade-off, whether you want to be a part of the conversation going into tribal, or if you want to be scrambling off on your own to try and find your protection and also get your vote back.

And that does make it somewhat interesting because a lot of the vote is decided and solidified between a challenge and going to tribal council. And sometimes you have the benefit of a day and a half. Sometimes you have half a day. I think in this format you're probably only having half. a day so you have to go back and immediately you have to i'd imagine you either want to have the conversations make sure you're comfortable and then sprint off to go and find this idle um or if you do the the the other way around and you go straight for your idol your name's probably coming up

so so there are many different permutations and it is a bit of a catch 22 so i think it's interesting um I think the only way to negate it is to bring other people on the journey with you, which a lot of the times you don't want to do with an advantage. So I'm actually quite high up on this change because I think it's a dynamic that having played you're well aware of. It doesn't necessarily translate on the TV. I guess that's the only part that we haven't necessarily seen. what do you think dina so just a question for clarity this do you have advantage if they don't get that idle before travel is it lost or do they still have an opportunity post travel they've just

lost their vote and they've lost the vote until they find said idle so they could find it the next day that changes it don't know I think it might be that that it's like a shot clock and you either don't vote and then it's done. But then you go back. Yes, that's kind of the sense I got in episode one or the first one was found. But that was the idea I got. And I think production is trying to up the ante of the risk reward ratio because have we ever seen somebody go like, oh, I'm taking this Bowair advantage.

I'm just going to leave it here for the next door. I can't remember. Has anyone passed up a Buiar yet? Andy did. Many moons ago. not too many minutes but yeah i guess but there's an overwhelming sense of people saying yes and you know not not very many people considering the the other side of it so i think they're trying to up the the risk reward uh ratio here and to curran's point yeah the social aspect

of the game remains the most important so you've got to sacrifice that in order to get this in a very very small window so um yeah am i am i a big fan of beware's as mechanisms uh do I think they've left themselves, as you've exposed a bit of a gap here, like, well, what happens now if their tribe swap? How do they deal with that in a key manner that's fair to the players? I don't know. Do they both just go hauling ass? Does that make for interesting content potentially?

Yeah, so I don't feel overwhelmingly positive about it, but I think they're on to the right track. And I actually don't mind production trying new things. I think that's how the game does evolve to Jet's credit. It's trying new and interesting things. finding what eventually works. I don't think it's exactly there in this mechanism. It would be an interesting scramble

if they both are on that tribe. They're both trying to get it. And that's the day before tribal guys. I'm for that. I'm quite sure. I don't know. We want to watch them strategize, right? So, I mean, I've, I took a hiatus from like season 43 till now.

and it feels like in the new era when it first came about there was a lot of randomness introduced in a lot of the the risk and rewards and the advantages it feels like a lot of that randomness has been taken out which is a positive like this tradeoff

does to what I said earlier and what Dino said it does have a social element right it's not just pure random chaos I don't need it's shot in the dock still a thing I don't ever hear about it but like no

okay Jeremiah firstly they don't change anything Kieran if you want to ask is it still a thing yes okay

that's the first first part of that Jeremiah was saying they couldn't use shot in the dark because then if it was a one one tie

one zero and then it's then you get auto rocked out and I was like goddamn this is so stupid this is the whole

new era is so stupid so yeah sorry you were saying yes so no it's

it feels like they've removed a lot of the random elements where there was nothing left up to player's skill. And like, here, there is a tradeoff and you do need a bit of skill to potentially make it work in a particular time frame. And you have to consider whether it's actually worth bringing people in. I think that's good. I am overall, I agree with Dina. I've never been a big fan of these aware advantages.

And the, and what Jeff is trying to introduce. I feel like most advantages have a downside anyway. You don't have to slap it on the label for that to be apparent. Yeah, that is true. I think my thing is that the stakes are very low. As you said, it doesn't really translate on TV about losing that time and possible social capital to make that happen. I think the one thing that translates is that it does need to be a bit of a group effort.

That might be interesting in a swap if you have like new relationships. ships, like if MC's not there with Stephen, like, who else are you relying on? That could be interesting. But I think most of the time, it's like, okay, well, you just don't have the ammo. Like, we've seen people pass idols across at a swap. When you have allies on the other side, like if MC wants to save Stephen, she can't. You know, that kind of takes that out of her arsenal. What might have been interesting, might have been if it was like, because now it's just going to push through to a swap or what would have been emerged. Like, those are the rules. However, what if it was like, you get it before tribal council, but if you just,

tribe, if this group never goes to tribal council, like, it's dead. You get your vote back, but like this isn't going to be anything. Now are people throwing challenges? Now is he, like, maybe we don't solve every puzzle quickly, Jason. Like maybe, not that you could really stop that because Jason's going to do that. But maybe now it's like a decision, you know, like, but I mean, I don't know if that's better, but I just kind of feel like for us, like if you get beware, you're going to get your vote back, you're going to get the idol. It's more just like, now I'm watching two scrambles. So I think it just doesn't really translate from TV, or we've been doing this in some iteration for nine seasons, and no one should do anything

for nine seasons, even things that are good. And we don't, we can't say that this necessarily has been. So I don't know that it's adding much, but it might be interesting in a swap. Usually we see, like, they have to scramble right before a swap. But like now having to do it at the swap, that might be a new take on it. Yeah. I think you're spot on. And the, the post-challenged scramble and like setting of the vote it never translates well on TV

especially with how American survivors potentially cut and edited and shown you know I think that was the one thing that surprised me when we played it's like everything's chilled and calm and then like it's the last two hours before you go to vote that everything is set it's only in those last two hours

So from that perspective, knowing that, the advantage adds a lot of chaos in terms of, hey, do I need to be in the room, I should be in the room, but I need to find this idol. Even in Survivors South Africa, you couldn't tell the time frame and just how quickly things developed right at the last moment. Yeah, I just think a lot of these things don't translate. Like I can see how they maybe feel like they do. like even for us like the deprivation culture like I think for you guys as players as Dino said it's like well the fatigue you're not eating I'm like it all seems hard to me you know who am I to judge so it doesn't really translate as much but these are things we've spoken about should we get to the chizzy do we do it yes all right take it away jacob sake of wine theme and mc color

one two three one one one three one two three let's get it's getting kind of cheesy Three, two, one. Why was no one else dancing? Why was they the only? We should have danced. How often do you have two Chizzy Winners on the pod? Very rarely. Together?

Almost never. Or maybe like, George shouldn't win the Chizzy. Oh, he did. Maybe Haley and George at times if I had them together. They're talking tribal with them. Before George was a Chizzy winner.

It's very rare. Did you guys get mugs? Was I doing that then? Yeah, yeah. If I said no, can I get another one? damn it Dino this one Dino one did she see how smart

is I even asked I even asked my maybe feel like he had one I even asked if my mic my mug would be 1, 2, 3, 4 5

because we had a different structure I was crazy and you guys said no so I've just got a standard chizzy one to three and it is my prize

possession and probably the greatest thing I got out of survivor I'm biggest I um yeah like during that season we were giving what

because we were doing like four hour podcast after four episodes and we're doing one, two, three, four, five. That was a crazy six weeks. Probably for you as well, but definitely for me. But I feel like the mugs have gotten a lot better now. Like you guys want at a time when the mugs have improved now. So you need to go back out there when another chizzy.

Or you could just, you know, like we're good friends. Just send us another mug. We'll be quite as you control. I don't even have the updated one. I mean, I'm not in charge of the merch. Who is? Point us in the right direction. Have you ever been charmed by Dina?

You have. Of course. It'll get us two months each. It's so true. It's so true. Luckily, I don't, I actually, again, I'm not the keeper of those keys. All right. Well, it's actually a 2-1-1 because of the three of us.

Does anyone want to go first or I'm happy to go first? Take us away, Shan. I'll give three-flash-two points to Sophie. I mean, it's all been said. And I think another thing about Sophie is Jake said in his ex-interview that Sophie was his true number one. now I know I said a lot it doesn't really matter and it especially didn't matter because he got bitten by a snake

and taken out of the game but she was really like at the center of a lot and I really thought Alex was his true number one even though I didn't think it actually mattered so I think Sophie was doing very well I think she did the best she could hear up against an idol that's not her fault

made the right decision played it really well didn't get any votes in a very very contained situation I understood what she was trying to do by keeping Jeremiah and I think she pivoted it the right time I haven't had to completely the right read on that situation. So I will give her the top points, which is two. My top one, which is two, but actually one,

I will give to Alex, who also played it as he needed to. Godspeed to these two, who I can actually get the charts up. I was just going to be really smashing the cheesy chart. So you can read it out after the points, but it's all blue or killer because no one else has done anything yet. but yeah two points like 1.2. Alex and then I'm going to give one to MC for the Idol being

Steven's number one where I think that's like a lucrative position. That's me. Karen, what are your points? It's two, one and another one. But there's got to be a top one. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to give two to to Sophie.

Yeah. For all the reasons mentioned. I don't think I need to say much more. My top one is going to be to Jake what yes for making sure

the snake only gave him a dry bite but also like as I said he definitely deserves a point for managing to go home to see the birth of his child he wasn't voted out he will likely be invited back

at some point I think he's well done I think going back you're definitely not putting another mug after that as someone who is with child I mean going back for the birth of his son like I think Jake's wife is doing a lot of the effort there

like I don't know if Jake getting back for that I mean and also he left in the first place does he get points for going back? Well one point apparently and the better one point that's the best you can do well everyone else was I want to see how it plays up

I want to see how it plays up you've given I don't you've given MC a point she was a consideration so I'm giving Jake the one point. Big up to Jake. And then my other one point goes to Alex, who I think inadvertently has done well by getting rid of his idol.

So that's more a speculative player, much like your one point to MC. I'm speculating, and I think that he's in a long term might be in a slightly better position than if he had kept the idol. Okay. Well, you just gave a point. and what would have been two points of Jake for not dying.

And that... I have realized that the one thing I do enjoy when I listen to your podcast with Mike Blue is how non-series he is about the chisie airtime. And... Yeah. I do. I mean, look, if Jake had any control over the fact that it was a dry bite,

like, I'd see it. You know, that's life and death and that should be worth at least a chizzy point. But like, I just think that at that point give the point to the snake. Although the snake did back. badly. From most of the snake,

the snake should wait. I mean that's the opposite. I had written down the snake, Shan, but I do remember the one time when someone gave a sent to near a point for Survivor Australia and

you are with child. I didn't want to stress you out to that level. So I thought, let me give it to someone who's actually in the game. Justice for Snake. No, the snake did really badly. The snake couldn't even kill Jake. Terrible episode for the snake.

Like, embarrassing, really. Well, for what the snake was trying to achieve. if the snake did terribly. If Jake, God forbid, if something worth it happened to Jake, then the snake, you'd have to get it to like the snake. And the snake did single-handedly take Jake out of the game, but the snake's not playing the game. So, I mean, this is so dumb, new era.

Look what you've done. Dino, do you have points? Yes. Yes, I do. So this might surprise you, but my two points are going to Sophie for all the bench. I mean, that's the only logical explanation and well done, phenomenal play.

Didn't put a foot wrong, I don't think, and like Jake. Jake did, yeah. Giving Alex a point to night, I'm like, I'm back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, because I'm like, he made the right decision to play the idol, but he's now had his idol flashed, which was Sophie's game plan, that means he's been played, blah, blah, blah, whatever, he's safe. So I'm actually going to overlook Alex and do my top. one for MC definitely

100% MC and then my other one point is you know I was looking around and going like it could be a Shannon just for showing like she's in a really really good position but forgive me Shannon

but my other point is going to R-I-Z-G-O-D R-R-Guard Baby for bringing entertainers and great confessionals to what is otherwise quite a linear episode so I appreciate that this guy is I don't think he takes himself seriously and that's why I love the way he goes on about Risgaud I think he's got a good sense of view about himself

and about life but I think he's got the potential to be a great player and I'll just find him thoroughly thoroughly thoroughly entertaining and for that you should have the higher one point yeah no that's again not a reason to give points It's better than got bitten by a snake, but it could have been worse.

It's certainly better than that, but it's not, we don't give points for being entertaining. That's not why either of you won the chizzy. No offense. You were entertaining. That's how I know we have definitely got to understand. Well, okay. But he is, okay, fine. But he's also in a good position.

He's also in a very strong position. He got the idol. He got the idol. 100%. So the game is being played while being entertaining, and I appreciate that. And I think, but I do think the cast as a whole has this potential. I'm looking for one or two stray votes and for all chaos to ensue, and I think these guys are going to absolutely go the roof off the rest of the season. I think this is probably the lowest episode because it's quite like emotional.

It's quite rough. It's a bit deep. And like you say, people can't celebrate. So it's like, it's tough, you know. but I think the rest of the season is going to be an absolute, absolute banger. Once the swap happens,

I think it's going to be chaos and these guys are going to play hard and I'm really looking forward to it. Yeah, I saw Rizzo when he got the idol. He looked around and he could see everyone was there and he was like, guys, I found it for all of us. I think he played into it as best he could. If he finds it alone, I think it's a different story

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details. Terms apply. But in terms of Sophie flushing Alex's idol, I mean, I think that Alex is going to play it. I think he's not going to take that risk. But at the point where like, okay, Alex is going to stay, does any part of Sophie want him to keep it for the two of them? Or is that trust not enough between because it's strange to come out and like by a set of circumstances like neither of them are with like their closest person but they do have a closeness that must be forged in fire so it would make him more of a threat than you you could use it together is any part of her like actually really don't play it like I am with you or do you think like she she wanted it out of the game and it's gone and he was going to do that anyway she said a number of times

she wanted it out so she could find it herself but I think that's true she could do that but but with the Medivac and then it being and then another person going and knowing that you're going to go to a tribe swap and now it's only two of you and then your potential allies and you want perhaps that kind of dynamic might have changed the thinking and I'm going like well actually now my odds

my odds are better of staying with Alex and letting him have the idol than trying to find one myself under the auspices of it or under the within a new tribe but what she had verbalized a number of times is that she wanted to flush it and re-earned her But do I think that's necessarily the best way to go about it or in her best interest now that they're two and there's a tribe swap?

Not necessarily. It's better to know where it is and have some influence over it to not be the direct target then for it to go back into circulation and potentially be on the wrong side of it. Yeah, that is true. I mean, I think that it's different if it's Jake or Jeremiah. Like, she doesn't really trust Alex enough. And I don't think he would use it for her. So I don't think that's even wrong. I just think it's interesting because that's like, you're trying, you know, they're still.

kind of add each other as they come out of this tribe with only each other voting together because I think that she does everything again as she needs to to either get him to well I guess if she really wants him to play it at the point where she's not voting for him like I think she did well to get him hopefully not to play it in the hope that they would vote for him then she pivots and is like we're going to vote for jeremiah and at that point if she wants to flush it she should be like maybe pushing harder like oh yeah definitely don't play it to maybe push him to play it harder. Because you know what I mean? She's like completely changed strategy where at first she didn't want him to play it so she could vote him out with it. Now she wants him to play it because

he's going to be left in the game with it. I don't know. We didn't really see if she changed that up much. But maybe she also just read that she didn't have to do a lot. Like he just definitely was going to play it. So I don't know how much I can really put on her. Like I think that it was right for him to play it. I think he was going to play it. I think she did well at first to get him not to play it and I'll be voting him out. But it was never going to happen. And then I don't know that she's super pivoted from there, if any of this makes sense. But what I'm saying is I gave her what would have been three points. I don't know how much I'm giving her for the flush because I think he was going to do that

and he was right to do it. I think that's Alex's choice. I think it's good for her that it happened. But I'm mostly impressed that he didn't vote for her and that they voted together and they came out of this well. That's mostly what I'm wanting to credit here more than him playing his idol. Like I don't think he was manipulated by her to do that. And I think that it made sense for him to do it and like better safe than.

sorry. Is that fair? Does that make sense? That does make sense. It's more sound reasoning than Jake's one point, so you're safe. Yeah, anything would be. Hey, he survived a snake. When was the last time any of us survived a snake bite?

That's strategic. Yeah, it is, I mean, I guess. Shannon, I'm giving points based off the episode. Blame the episode, do not blame me. Believe me, I do. It's as speculative as Dino giving reserves. a point. I mean, Jake's out of the game.

So, yeah. No, I've got a side with Dino here. And Rizzo's in the game with an idol. With an idol. With an idol and like in a majority. And both shoes in a majority. And he didn't get bitten by a snake. But Jake's got bitten by snake and survived.

There's what you guys think in the comments. Yeah, let us know. I think that that's worth of. Well, the point. So Alex is leading on 11. Now Sophie's up to 10. Jake left on seven and so that's where Kelly is and then other people are in the game Nate on three, Rizzo on two, MC is now on two, Shannon on one and Stephen on one and throughout

the next 10 or so weeks, more people will get points when they start playing Survivor. It's not their fault that they haven't, but that's just that's just the new era. That's just where we are at. Anything else? Thank you guys so much. Miles said, he's like, this will be a lot more fun than the episode and I was like, well, it's a very low bar, but I hope that that's how people felt about. the podcast. Always great to catch up with you. Kieran, you can duck out now. Are you,

are you inspired to continue watching the season? Or are you just going to, you know, wipe your hands of it, maybe ask for updates, possibly? I'm going to try and keep going. I've become really bad and very Gen Z in my inability to watch long form videos. But I have enjoyed it. And to Dina's point, a lot of it is actually because of Rizzo. He just reminds me so much of like when I was a kid, the people I would enjoy watching on Survivor, just the way he does his confessional's and his accent. I can't place it, but hearing him talk about the game and his confessional confessions takes me back to when I was a kid watching Survivor.

I can't explain it. So I am enjoying it. Maybe you should give him a cheesy point for that. No, Dino, I'm happy Dino gave him a chizzy point. I know you'll see Jake as my chizzy point, but in parentheses it says secret. That's my thinking And watch out, Shannon

I don't appreciate you being unappreciative of my point because I think the secret will play a big part in the season, just wait. That's terrifying. What do you mean? That's a horrible thought. God forbid.

If the season is terrorized by the secret, then that is like, that would be... That's primetime television. Watch Survivor 49, the Emmy win. It's coming. Jesus. Jeff would love that.

Jeff would be like, so secret. Tell me what it's like to bite people, you know. Did we talk about... Bight, to be a survivor. Oh, my God. Can I take away my point for Jake and give it to Jeff for his... Because that's actually... That was actually my highlight of the episode.

What part? When Jeff was doing his mid-roll casting call. Yeah, that... I don't... I don't know he does it every episode but does he?

You can tell I don't watch a lot to survive it I think was it but I did see tweets that were like

this one was like this is not the time like this is not the advertising yeah I think maybe you give it a rest on this one episode right I think

I think if maybe because Jake survived it's like we can still do a call out for casting right like people or still, yeah. It's funny because it obviously shows just how deeply passionate Jeff is.

And, hey, let's not get it twisted. Maybe that was someone doing the editor who didn't really think about it, right? Let's not say it was Jeff's call. But I imagine a world where Jeff is so passionate that he just wants to get it out there. And like, you know, him having to be talked down by one of the executive, another executive producer because he's got Jake whilst he's on the medical table to give a shout-out, hey guys, please if you want to join

or please put in your entries for the next season of Survivor and they're like, Jeff, this is really in poor taste. The poor guys, we don't know whether he's going to live or die and you're getting him to do shout-outs for the show. Yeah, at least he wasn't with Jake. That would have been funny.

Yeah, that would have been. Since apparently the time, I'm not worthy of a chizzy point. Yeah, yes. do you know what about you how what's what's happening with you I don't you know how are you how are you I saw you won that award by the way the one I voted for oh thank you very much the KFM best oh that's this one yeah actually best adventure of the cave you thank you much and then last week we won best marketing and digital invasion at the VNA waterfront awards and we won

the people's choice award for the VNA VNA award so we're very very chavis I would have voted for. No, you would have voted for the KFM best of adventure, I think. Oh, well, I mean, it's not really fair because I've never been to your business and I haven't been to the waterfront since I was a kid, but I assume yours is the best. It's a popularity contest, it's fine. We take those you can. Yeah, so that's cool, and we're busy getting up to expand, and we're going to bring in new

experiences and new offerings, so that's cool. we're hosting nationals in Cape Town next year so I'm busy organizing that so nationals is happening at the same time as the expansion of the business at the same time that Kirsten's expecting a child so yeah just things going What? What?

You don't tell me that? I didn't tell anyone that. You're doing that on the podcast? That's been done. No, I'm joke. What? Yeah, I don't know if I was going to actually let you guys know at this point or not, but yeah.

Congratulations. What are you due? Oh, yes, congrats. end of April. Oh my God, our babies will be so close in age. Very close. I can't wait for Survivor 85 where both the kids are on. Wait, I wanted to pay him getting a girlfriend or a boyfriend.

We don't know. We don't know yet. We don't know yet. We don't know. We don't know. He just doesn't want to tell us. Tell us. No, genuinely, genuinely, genuinely don't know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You weren't going to be on Survivor Season 9. We know, we know. This is a crazy way you announced that to the world. Should I edit this out? know this is being recorded? Oh, we've part, yeah, perhaps, yeah, actually. Really?

We haven't, we haven't made it, okay, you don't have to. We haven't made a public knowledge yet, but by the time this goes out, it will be public knowledge. I was busy doing that back in my head, so. It's going out in a few hours. Oh, that's fine. Yeah, we're going to put a post up this weekend, so that's okay. What are you do?

Up to you, Shane. I don't mind. We were really chilled about it. So, yeah, I'm keeping it in the podcast. I was actually going to, I was going to slide it in there at some point where I was going to be like, yeah, so, you know, Jake being pulled from the game, as an expectant father myself, you know, I totally understand. My views have changed. Then I was like, nah, the crazy thing is like if I had a nickel for every time someone announced their baby at the end of a Survivor Global podcast this year, I'd have two nickels,

which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice. Well, guys, I have some. I have some. used to share also since we're sharing. I don't know whether to believe it or not. Also, that happened when I announced it. Puyah did the same thing, but now and I don't even know anymore. I don't even know because

it was, Edino did it for real. You know, muscle talk. Thank you. Yeah, we're very excited. That's going to be such a lucky baby. I'm going to tell you that. I'm telling you that. I'm so angry. Well, I don't understand why you're angry.

I'm telling you now before I told the rest of the world. That's true. That's true. All right. You didn't even tell us when it was the Ruth's birthday. You never tell us English. Wow. Okay.

For all we know, the child is already born, Shannon, he's telling you. I don't trust you. You and I have both the stuff that chances of getting upgraded mugs. 100% in different ways.

Kieran's back in my good books. That's the way to do that, is that I'm now more bad to you. Do we know that Dino didn't put it in the group chat and we forgot much like Leroux's birthday though? No, no, no, no. I would remember that. I would remember, I think, unlike Leroux's birthday.

Sorry, Leroux. For what happened to everyone is that Dino said Leru's birthday is the same day of Harry Potter. He said it's July 31st and I said, oh, the same day as Harry Potter, that's all remember. August 1st, I was like, we miss Leru's birthday and Harry Potter's. That's what happened.

Do you see how that doesn't sound like my fault? Do you see how when you set it out loud, it doesn't sound like my fault? You need a reminder when it's weeks earlier. Like, I'm not going to put it in the calendar, you know? How exciting. You know, it's about compassion for your friend. It's like, oh, wow, people aren't wishing him happy birthday. Maybe I should, you know, just remind people.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my job, man. This is so exciting. This is so exciting. Oh, my God. Okay, congrats to Dino. I don't know where to go from here. I'm giving all my chizzy points to Dino.

All four. 2-1-1. Crazy. It would make as much sense as the points you gave. Does anyone who have anything to plug? No. No, we haven't that interesting. Shann, you always ask, where can people find you?

They can't. yeah in London all right do you know what about you you're about to announce your baby where can people find that I mean I'm still on socials kind of at that ad deen on Instagram

but nobody ever reaches out so it's okay aside from that I'll just be in a whole organizing nationals and building cool experiences and new experiences which I'm excited for and and waiting for a child

so yeah very very exciting times for me but yeah we will chat more about dead things we have lots to discuss yes that's insane um amazing well you can follow me at shana gates blue sky twitter instagram i'm doing gussing around um that's a podcast peter and i are doing we've done three episodes this week we talked about snakes a lot we talked about taylor swift talked about musical theater we talked about some things i experienced in covering australian survivor last year on Titans v Rebels that Snakes and Taylor Swift specifically really help me with

Sean Brian calls it trauma dump the podcast and Kieran you've listened to every week would you agree? Is that where we're thank you for that do you think less trauma or you think we keep it with the we keep trauma dumping? I think keep doing you man I'm enjoying it. I don't know what's

it's good to it's good to listen I mean the whole point of the podcast is for you and and Peter to talk about things I'm entertained maybe I don't know what that says about me or the nature of our friendship that your your trauma dumping is keeping me in 10 but it's good it's I think keep it keep it where it's at thank you well again I'm going to run out of trauma and I hope not to create more but we hope to have fun every week and at points maybe discuss trauma but yeah we're having a lot of fun with that

that's Gus and around podcast on YouTube or you can find it on Apple Podcast or Spotify and that's pretty much it for me. And next week, I'll be back, talk about this show. Episode four, there'll be a swap. We'll be saved from our misery. Thank you, guys. This was fun. Dino announces baby.

Is that crazy? Dina. Dina. Oh, my God. Incredible. Our babies will have to be cross-continental friends. Well, not international. Is that, anyway, you'll never visit with the baby.

So we'll never see you. But anyway, thank you all for listening. Thank you, Routting Behind the scene. thank you both, and I will see you guys next time. Bye. Thank you for having us. The adventure of a lifetime in