RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor Global: Survivor 49 Ep 4 with Thoriso M-Afrika

Episode Date: October 17, 2025

 Survivor Global: Survivor 49 Ep 4 with Thoriso M-Afrika Survivor Global host Shannon Guss speaks to Survivor South Africa’s Thoriso M-Afrika about Survivor 49 episode 4. The pair discuss the idea of challenge throwing, the tribe swap, how the people on the top and bottom handled it and more. Never miss a minute of RHAP’s […]

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tribe's coverage of survival for the adventure of a lifetime the adventure of a lifetime it is a survivor 49 for survival global i'm your host shannon gus here to talk about episode four two tribes and a swap and we have someone to talk about this with all the way from survivor south africa it is to resource resource thank you for being here thanks for everyone shannon yeah i do you feel thankful, are you enjoying this season? It's been a slow burn, shall I say. I don't know if it's because there was so much hype around 50 and the anticipation

for that. And this almost feels like a need to get through to get to that. And then the pacing of it, I think, as well, has probably just been a bit slower. Yeah. I don't think it's 50 for me. like I knew I had AUV world coming up for like a year and I was still enjoying you know like I enjoyed brains be born too an Australian survivor I think that it's been a slow start we did get two tribes for the first time in many years we got a swap which is always fun I think though that this episode like we're still suffering from I think for me the sins of the new era production like it's not the swap's fault it's just for me the fact that like 12 out of 14 players coming into this episode hadn't started playing yet you know, like their dynamics haven't been set. If someone like Joanne has been on the wrong side of a vote, say like Sage goes home

and Uli had actually been to tribal council, maybe he wants to flip, like, there's actual dissension to like make a meal of, but like these tribes have been as communal and like ingenial as I think I was expecting them to be. So now it's more this like tribe on tribe violence and then it very much comes down to what the lines are of the swap, which is mostly luck based. So I think we're kind of still seeing that. But obviously the more that it builds and people actually, vote we'll start like getting that dissension and I think it should hopefully start heating up

but we're really just getting started for almost all of these players yeah that's the that's the feeling that I got as well and it's um I do find it quite interesting that it felt like the the two tribes that hadn't gone to travel were were both looking at it in exactly the same way I mean, had the other gone to travel, they would have targeted exactly the same people. And at the back of my mind, I was wondering, like, but why would you do that and endanger your own people on the other side? That's just when you've got a buffer within your tribe that you can go for with no blood on your hands, sort of. So it's a very, obviously, it is a sensible thing to do. or it makes me wonder down the line whether we're going to have a scenario where the option

of throwing tribals could come into play so to protect people because that's the reality of what targeting each other comes with and that you can only control that if you're the people going to tribal council yeah it's just a thought that I had at the back of my mind around that and I think it's quite strange that it's it sort of hasn't come up yeah it was the first thing I thought when I saw these tribes in the promo before the episode was I was like oh we could be looking at like a double throw which is something we got earlier this year in Brainsley Braun too and we didn't even hear it discussed I do think I mean there might be like I think Matt said in his ex-ed press you know there were some people on old Hina who you never want

to lose like someone like MC very competitive but for me I kind of do get not throwing because it's a very rigid way of playing. I mean, you've never even voted with these people. Now you're like really leaning into the rivalry, like not trying to make new connections. Like I think trying to connect with someone like a Shannon, Fahina, and winning the challenge and making it more dynamic. I mean, it's certainly more interesting like in terms of like the fluidity of that gameplay. And it gives you more options. Like if you're going to throw a challenge and then just feed the other tribe members for the wolves, it's certainly legitimate, but you are locking yourself into one option. It's tribe on.

tribe they might try to throw you might end up actually losing the throwing battle and then you really just have to go down to the while with a group you again have never even voted with and you've spent a week with but like maybe people don't want to like shoehorn themselves into like one kind of stagnant option yeah no no no i get that wholeheartedly particularly because they hadn't been to tribal so the lines were not clearly drawn but it's it's it's just one thing that struck me when you have such a very clear demarcation within the tribes and essentially then you give the power back to those two players that are sort of misplaced as to come in, you know, a merge scenario, they are the ones that are the swing

in between the two, assuming the other tribe doesn't go to travel before then. Yeah. Yeah. so it's it just struck me it really struck me that it wasn't even a point of discussion yeah um so much trust in this season i don't know what's yeah they might be too nice people are handing idols to senators it's like am i actually watching survivor what's going on here it is like it is a very congenial season i think people have complained about that like the fact that you have these groups that have so little dissension.

Like, yes, they haven't voted, but we've had other groups. What was it, Nami in 46, like the Orange Tribe? Like, they hated each other. You know, we've definitely seen, like, Tan Dang, you know, groups that don't vote and it just festeres. And that has not really been that way in these tribes, you know, like, Joanne's on the bottom. But, like, is he really, like, they're fine. So I do think maybe it's on the bottom. He's just unaware.

The fact that he's completely unaware of it is also quite startling. but he's not like on the, he's still part of like the group effort to find Rizzo's idol, you know, he's still in like the group idol hunt. Like they tell Sophie about the idol. Like it might just be a very like kind of open and congenial season that's not aggressive enough to do that. But I do, I do understand it. But I definitely think Hina are going to walk into this tribal council and they,

and they'd be expecting it. Like, I mean, the old Hina are going to come in and see Matt gone. They might have preferred like a Jason. It seemed like Matt was more on the power structure. And they'd definitely rather lose like a sage or someone. Maybe they're not connecting with. who was part of Uli. I mean, also I feel like

Uli would be fine to lose stage, but yeah, I feel like maybe they'll think, okay, well, do we want to do that again? Do we want to lose Jason? And I do wonder if it's a thing next for them to be like, do we want to get one back? Or do we just at this point, like we go all in and we try and make connections

and it's more dynamic season? And for New Heena, for O'I or New Heena, I do wonder now if it's the time to throw because they've tried to make connections with Matt and Jason. Matt's gone. Jason, they felt cagey with. He did vote with them, but they're not, like, really connecting. They might think that Sage is more of a buffer, you know,

compared to Shannon, who they're closer with on the other side. But I do wonder if next time, there's always shot on the dark wrist, but like they have an idol. There's a, they have a lot of space. I wonder if next time I really think their tribe, like the old Uli on the new Heena, they could afford to throw next time. And I do also wonder if the old Heena on New Kele, I do wonder if they're like, wait, why did we let Matt go?

And maybe next time they're pushed into some sort of throwing debate. Or they're all too nice for it. But yeah, maybe then. But it's safer to do that. It's, yeah, you speak about, about Sage and Shannon. My goodness, Shannon is really good at this. Yeah. She's mesmerizing to watch how she has that ability to get people eating

out of her hands. And it's quite a, it's quite scary. I don't know if the others just can't see it or say just particularly sensitive to it because, you know, she knows that it's a toss-up between the two of them. But social game is on fleek. Yeah. I completely agree.

There's been a debate this week about her kind of using religion and spirituality to connect in a way that might be a little icky. Does it give you the ick or do you feel like that's legitimate? I'll tell you what, it's quite a, when you go on there, you're always looking for areas of commonality. I do get the sense that I knew this discussion was going to come up. I actually, I didn't listen to anything else before our discussion, but I didn't, for some reason, it almost didn't give me the eckiness, the type of eckiness, the type of, that we got with coach in his season

there's almost a a gentleness to it and and I think that probably comes more from a place where for her

I get more of a sense that it's targeted one on one and that she's able to adjust that depending on who she's talking to whether she must pour more of it out or not, then it is sort of a group think. So by its very nature, it's not exclusionary. You're not getting a sense of chopping people out from that,

but more coming down to people's levels and connecting with them on that. So I think that is probably why it didn't feel, you know, as bad as I imagine. people feel or can feel that it is. Because that's been the history of religious discussions on Survivor don't tend to end very well, but I see it working for her. Yeah. Because of the group she's got.

It could be just just be based on the fact that, like you're saying, this pool of people is just so positive on the whole. And so it's received in a. very different way to what it would have been in sort of earlier older seasons. Yeah. I think for me it's just that it's so genuine. Like at the end of the day, people can be manipulative with religion and they're entitled to. It's very hansy if you want to like actively use it for evil. But like I can't really be mad at it. I mean, it's certainly manipulative in the same way, you know, like if someone wants to swear on a loved one, I think they're entitled to it.

like it's up to I guess the person to be able to clock how genuine that is and not be taken for a fool but this isn't even that like Shannon genuinely believes this believes this stuff she's very spiritual she's very religious which is well yeah yeah and I mean yeah and I mean I think that for her like it obviously will leave out to say she's not that way and I get it I'm I'm not that way you know like I'm I'm not a spiritual person in any way and I would feel left out but it's up to you to find how you connect as you said find those commonalities. And like people do it.

And I think doing it on values is kind of much like friendships, probably the best way to do that. Like connecting on political beliefs that are values, on religious values, on like, you know, other like shared experiences. What if it was like the parents all connecting, which I'm sure they do?

Shannon said she has a friend who's a mom, which I did find pretty funny. But, you know, like there's, these are the ways that people connect truly and deeply. And for them, it's actually very well. She was laying it on quite thick, though, Shannon. It was working. Hey, like, all that's you were.

Like, don't need to play, you know. It was. It worked. Hook line and thinker. That's a thing that freaked me out about it is that overword. She's so good at this. Yeah. And she's varied. I think the thing with Shannon is she's surprising.

Like, I mean, I'm surprised it's gone so well. But even, like, in her introduction, she's like, I do the whole spiritual women's retreat. Like, if you don't like that, I like the party. You know, like, she has, like, these different elements of herself that she can connect with people. She's landed on a tribe that. that connects with people. She has that with Christina. Like, of course she should use it. Should they not be allowed to talk about this thing they have in common that's deeply personal to those of them? That would be insane.

So I think it's just, it's, she's landed in a good spot with it, even though the tribal lines have been bad. But I think she's used it really well. And I think she's like completely entitled to. I'm surprised it's even a thing for people. And I say that again, as someone who is an atheist. Like, but I think that if we would see this on anything else, like a valid way of connecting with people, I don't know that there's anything else we'd really talk about that with. Like, I think that it's, you know, I think it's super legitimate and it's, it's the way people should connect in real life, like on real shared values. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, she's done so well. So let's talk about the tribe that went to tribal council, this new Heena group. What did you feel

about this choice between Matt and Jason for the Uli majority? Like, did you lean one way or the other? Um, I don't, I don't know. It's a very difficult call to make when you didn't get a sense that they, at least, I suppose they tried to compare them. I mean, there's that, there's that confessional where we resources, well, at least Matt has given. me something. Jason is like so shut, shut down, but then they vote in exactly the opposite

way. Yeah. Which makes me wonder what the underlying justification was if it really didn't matter which of the two of them they had gotten rid of. I suppose that probably came down to Savannah because the minute she realized that Matt had a financial background, which by the way is a very good call. I would be freaked out as well. Really? No, no, no. You don't.

There's certain levels. And I think the same should be applicable to journalists, ironically, and their history on this game, saying a 2A journalist. Yeah, how so? Because I think we have nothing that's helping us. I mean, well, look, every confessional Savannah has is proving that wrong. Exactly my point. But the minute she was going on about that

and I was thinking about the other journalist that came to mind was Rick Devons. Yes. And how there's an ability to socially insulate. It's part of the job. People freak out about really like, about lawyers and I don't want to say really smart people. Like that is limited to lawyers.

But that's because that's a clearly definable thing. threat, but I don't think that certainly in the culture of survivor, people hone in as much on people who, for part of their job and everyday work, those innate soft skills are essentially what could help them through a game like this. And this is why I think journalists would fall into that bracket generally. You should have turned it around on her. she was sort of me being in finance he should have been like you're a journalist and she's not even any more a journalist

they keep having to be like former reporter but her whole storyline is around being a reporter because being in marketing apparently does not have the same cell ironically as being a reporter and it's so much and they've shoved it down our throats

like uncomfortably so I feel yeah so it's quite for me I've certainly like Yeah, I think the people of the soft skills or the people who tend to do better, and there are obviously occupations that naturally lean into that. So people who would have better practice at that. So it always strikes me when someone is that successful, whatever field they're in, there must be a measure of really good soft skills. So I think it was a justified thing, but I get the sense that it was more.

stemming from a reservation that she would have had anyway about it. And so you know what it's like. You pick someone and you're like, you don't like them. I'm going to give you guys a reason as to why

I think they should come off as dangerous and that's the story that you sell to the rest of the tribe. So, yeah, she was obviously adamant on this one because no one else, she really does come across as the person who was the driver specifically for Matt.

Well, I feel like, yeah, I mean, she was cagey with Jason. Like, I thought Nate was very much, like, against Matt. But I do think at the point where she's saying that stuff about Matt, he said in his ex-interview, it was very late, like, in the cycle that he was talking about his background. I think at that point, she's using it as, even if it's an internal justification, like, I think for me, she's, as you said, she's just, like, finding that reason. Like, it would be interesting because it's surprising. So it's like maybe like, okay, there's more to you than miss the eye.

But that's concerning, not necessarily what it is, but the fact that I wouldn't have expected that from you might be concerning. The fact that he was going to keep it a secret and maybe did from everyone for that week on Hina, or like the day that he was with them. Like on Survivor Quebec, there was someone who was a psychologist who lied and said he was a teacher and he revealed that he was a psychologist like a couple of weeks in. And everyone was like, well, you're such a good liar. like it's been three weeks and you have like why so i think that it's like now you have the

capacity to lie i think compared to jason i think it like the fact that he kept it close to the vest or might have or even was indicating that does compare to jason who would never do that like jason seems so sweet like jason seems like more than also comes across as a really bad liar yes yeah i think so takes on to no one but but you do get a see sense of that that he can't even fake the fact that they were going on about how he's going on about his old tribe

and you can see that his loyalties are still there I still want to be here just long so I can reconnect with my guys when you're in this kind of scenario and you can't even fake that that's a very tough self he was trying to be like well I can help you with Heena

but they're like but we're not we're not on the back foot against Hina like we don't need an in we're actually just still trying to beat Hina and we can so I don't think that that was a tactic works I think that all that the Hina Ouli rivalry is funny it's funny how much they hate Hina

they're like we're on the Hina Havoc it's like they've really built in like a real like sports rivalry with them I also think that Hina coming in with the chant on what was I know that they were trying to like get them with the with the Tremel on a secret scene was like indicating a challenge and it looked like a challenge

but like you'll going to swap soon or merge soon and chanting heena was like the dumbest thing of this whole episode for me like why are you like you might as often saying top five baby like i think underratedly terrible but yeah they're like at this point we want to beat heena so it's actually not about bringing in matt or um and maybe that's why they should have looked at actively throwing the challenge but it's not as much about bringing in matt or jason who they're not connecting with it's like how can we weaken hina the most ironically we know matt is more integral to hina even though jason is so sweetly loyal it's just, I mean, out of the dynamics we've seen,

which, again, don't really matter, the all Schroding is dynamics, but we've seen Matt be more core to like the Stevens of the world, maybe Christina, than Jason, who he didn't get a lot on, but that might just be because it's what we've seen. But I think at the point,

I think just Matt just felt more active. Like, he just feels like he's going to be like a more squeaky wheel. Like, who wants to be against that? I mean, look at the fact that Jason is either going to play shot in the dark or vote for Matt, which he does. At worst, he's going to play shot in the dark. And Matt has, like, a whole Nate plan he's trying to do.

Like, it's just, just more annoying. Like, I think at that point, Matt's better for all of the three Uli power players, Nate, Savannah and so and, like, especially Nate. Um,

it was a very strange call on that, but, oh. Yeah. So, yeah. What about for Joanne? Because I think for Joanne,

it's more interesting because he is at the bottom. And he actually seems to have like a real bond with, with Matt. to one part of it was very funny that match tried to pitch that idea to him and is like dude if i come with you we don't have the numbers so why pitching to me an idea when you don't have the numbers to execute what you're doing in the first place one so it's i mean i did say that it's it seems like he doesn't know he's at the bottom even though we get a clear sense that he is at the bottom of that tribe and I'd be more worried for him with regards to that

but I think even if he was aware of it I don't think there was anything they could actually do that is true and best it was what unless if they wrote Sophie in who

to be fair I mean you look at the draw of that tribe in the minute you have two women in the tribe and they connect the way that they did that was probably not going to happen. Let me look at the split

because it's possible they could have like Operation Italy Star come over the top of the split. I mean, this would have been crazy and I don't think he should have done it. So the two Jason votes were Savannah and Sophie. So it could have been exactly. Imagine that.

Imagine if Juan is like, I am on the bossy. This is, in a world where all. have gone to tribal council maybe they don't split but like if jason's like actually feeling like on the bottom they could have and they allow them to do a split vote and they vote for i suppose that's the one scenario where they could have done it yeah um and then targeted who they were three two two against nay but the thing is i mean and and they they were relying on sophie as well like matt was and sophie was gone so i mean i hadn't thought about coming over the trouble was a split, although it's hilarious. It would be so aggressive. Like, definitely don't do this.

You know, like, that would be an insanely did your first tribal council for Joanne. I think for Joanne, it's like, he is at the bottom. What does that mean? Like, who cares? You know, like, I think, like, Marianne was at the bottom of Taku for a while and maybe would have gone home depending on, like, how close they were to the merge and Lindsay and Jonathan. Erica was often at the bottom of Louvre. It's not even a terrible place to be. It's not even that it's like, who cares? I actually think they might be actively good. Like getting through with a group where you're technically on the bottom, no two flip closer to the end of the game,

can work through in a power group and then be like, let me pick up the people on the bottom at like a seven rather than like a, you know, pre-merged tribe. That's the scenario for me. Like to do this here now, I mean, if he did it over the top of this, but he'd also not come back to even a majority is that would be insane. But even if he somehow, like, if Sophie was open to it,

Then you'd be, like, completely switching to just be with Matt. You'd be, he'd be a only option. Matt has a lot of options. Like, who knows. And then you're stuck with them for the rest of the game. 100%. And you don't know any of the people Matt's working with. Like, hopefully you connect with them, you know, or like, and also you're even more on

the bottom of Hina, where you're like six out of six in Uli, are you, or maybe, you know, five and six with Sage. Are you, like, seven in Hina? Like, you're more aggressively going to the bottom. I don't know why Matt thought you on would so much do something so aggressive. Like, I admire the. he was going for it but like in what world is that like you know what I mean I just felt like that's so extreme and the target of Nate I suppose that's the other thing that that didn't make

sense to me I suppose then again who would you have targeted the likelihood is that he would who would have gotten a better deal targeting Joanne actually the person who needed on that but if you want to do it with Joanne I mean he hasn't really connected with Nate and he kind of sees Nate, you know, Matt saw Nate as like the kind of ringleader, which I think was pretty good for Savannah, because we kind of seen Savannah at the center and he's, you know, but I guess the way he's thinking is like, we know Nate is very close to Rizzo and Savannah. So like, it probably, it's probably all true. You know, they're both kind of leading things. No, they are, they are clearly very close. Yeah. Again, it's, those relationships haven't been

tested by tribal, so they are, they are still intact, you know. Yeah. I think for Joanne, the best thing would have been to get rid of Jason over Matt because he seemed to have something really good with Jason going back to the journey. Sorry, not with Jason with Matt. Joanne and Matt seemed to have a good connection going back to the journey. And Matt said in his exits they had spent a lot of time fishing together. I think if he could, taking out Jason so that he has Matt as an option, going to make a move when it's appropriate in weeks from now,

that would have been great. But he has no power yet. To me, the people making the decision are very much like Nate, Savannah and Rizzo. So you're either like completely upending that if you even can or you're going along to get along. So I think it was just unfortunate for him to lose Matt here. Yeah. Yeah, it was unfortunate for him, but it probably then makes it the correct decision that

Nate, Rizzo and Savannah took to get rid of that. That is true. Because then you are limiting Juan's options and his support. to flip over. Yeah. Because you've basically got Jason, who's an island, and then you've got Sophie, who at this point looks like she could really, at some point, become an integrated part of that core three.

Supply, Sean. If she hasn't done that already. Yeah. I agree. I can really see a scenario where if that particular group of people were in a position where they had to get rid of one of the two, that leaning towards Sophie would be the safer of the two of them. I completely agree.

I think that if next week they go and try to vote out Jason and he plays shot in the dark and it hits, I think they take out Joanne over Sophie. I think that already happened. Well, they'll split with Joanne, yeah. Yeah, well, they don't even, they go back to a re-vote and then they would have the choice. and I think that Chuan would go. So in that circumstance, it's like maybe, you know,

maybe if he could, maybe, but like he's going to be fine. He, you know, they're going to, they're going to merge soon. I just think that these are like, make these decisions way later on.

Like making these decisions to like flip the Hina when you haven't met almost all of Hina, that's insane to me. And he could have done it over a split, which would have been crazy. But I do think what your point is a really good one. I mean, even though Juan is kind of like laughing and math,

planning confessional. The fact that Matt feels close to Joanne, and Jason's not driving any of that, is a really good reason to take out Matt. Like, he's probably not going to do anything, but like, why even try him? Why even put up with it? You know, like, it doesn't really matter, but like, he's definitely a squeakier wheel here. Yeah, because for all we know, yeah, that that's, that's reason enough, because you, you want to limit people's options and want to give them no choice, but to come to you. and not be able to play the game outside of you. And, yeah, Nate Rezor and Savannah are sitting in free.

Yeah. What did you think about how? With an idol. Yeah, with an eye. See, they've got so much space. Like, they're not even like, well, what did you think about how Jason was playing this? Because he was trying to, like, threaten them almost with shot in the dark.

But I just feel like they have so much runway. The shot in the dark is actually, like, not a concern to them. But, like, what did you think about how Jason went about this? I don't know the extent to which it may have been effective, but I think that, listen, it's such a tight position when you know that you've got no runway almost, and it's one of two people. I mean, I think about it. I always replay my last final tribal when it was always going to be an option of me or the other person.

and you always think to yourself what could you have said or done differently to be the protected one over the other person and I think he did quite the opposite actually Jason did they kind of both did in different ways

they were like a race to the bottom for both of them right even for Matt I think I think for Matt even by virtue of targeting Nate

you don't go for the guy who's got all the protection out there. That's the person you're supposed to be going and trying to charm. Yeah. And seeing if it's worth them keeping you, you know. So it's a very, I think both of them played it. They didn't really play it well at all, you know? No.

But I think Jason was probably more aggressive in that to their faces, which was really strange. yeah i mean matt he went for it on no capital he was just like let me shoot for the moon online and he like jason was just trying to survive and that was like i'm trying to like dominate which is in some ways commendable but like he had no capital to pull that off and i get like with him i think that the thing for me with matt about like because neither them play their shot in the dark when both of them kind of should play their shot in the dark you know and i think that with matt um i kind of get it because he trying to do this big

Nate plan. He said in his exit interview that he would hate who have actually like gotten a three four to work and then he doesn't play and then it's a three three with a new revote rules it would go back to a three three he would completely screw himself and he's trying to get a plan to work I get it. He's dreaming big

but I understand why he doesn't want to throw the chance of that away. However the brakes completely come up then for me when what happens is Nate calls out the plan so he knows the plan So if you have a very slim four three of people you've never voted with kids

you've never voted before, two people you've never met one of them at least. And from what we understand, both Joanne and so if you obviously go back to Nate, but like one of them at least has gone back to Nate. So you don't have the numbers and at that point it's like, oh how is that not the tell for me? It's all on read for me. Like how is that not the tell that you have

to play you from the dark that 4-3 is not happening because Nate has heard his name. So how do you feel like it went back to Nate? Yeah. Yeah. What was your call on Nate actually calling him out on that he shouldn't have done it

because anyone else would be like oh I've been outed and I'm going to play my shot and the thing is like it doesn't really matter because they have so much runway play your shot on the dark if it hits states will go home like whatever but like I do think you like it should have

it doesn't really matter to Oooey like they've that much space but it really should have been to tell to it to matter you didn't get a sense of it probably came out more out of irritation. Yeah. The way Nate said it was like, well, yeah. Then it being an intentional sort of slip that my name's been thrown out there.

It just wasn't having it. No, he wasn't. It was very funny, though. I think for Matt, it's like Matt, if you're about to pull off like a crazy move, four to three pulling over people, like a move we, a pretty much knew we were a move we talk about for a while to come, the guy hasn't heard about it and isn't like talking about it openly out of irritation at tribal council. Like that's probably the tell on that. Like nothing. And the things like Juan is laughing about it in confessional. Sophie, he didn't even

know that, like he's trying to pitch Sophie as an option. He's also hearing Sophie's fully with them, which is something he wasn't even privy to. So it's not even like Sophie is saying like, hey, I'm making it seem like I'm really with them, but I'm really with you. We're going to take out Nate. Like, clearly you have no eyes on what Sophie is doing. You don't know the how are you not playing a shot in the dark like mad this couldn't have been going worse and he was like but i still i still think i will work out like i admire the optimism if anything but not the read it's the desire for it to go a certain way you know you should have actually picked up on sophie's cues if there was ever a time not to do anything yeah literally

nothing that would have been no time when you end up in a position where you're in the minority and you just keep your head down and hope people just don't notice you. Yeah, completely, especially because Jason was really putting them off. Like, it kind of feels like if either Jason or Matt had just done nothing, the other one would have, like, shot themselves in the foot. But they both were, like, competing to be more of a reason to go for Uli. Yeah, and I mean, like, and I think maybe with Matt, he's a more, maybe just a more active player, Jason's a huge puzzle threat

A huge puzzle threat So I don't know if they maybe Yes he's done But yeah it's threatening Yeah I'm interested I thought I thought It's also a good thing that they didn't bring up

Matt's performance In the challenge as well Because he was using the challenges to be like He's like other than today I'm the best of the challenges It's like well I've only done one and we don't care how good you've been for your other tribe.

Like, yeah, that didn't go well either. Yeah, because that comparison and that looked really bad. Like, as someone who isn't bothered about their challenges, I was like, I can just, I'm feeling so awful for him as it's just not going your way over and over again. Yeah, it pained me, the thing that pained me was that this was like, the first time they didn't have a puzzle. And I was like, you know who could have won this? Like, maybe the original Kaila tribe.

Like, I kind of feel like Sophie could have got on like Jake's shoulders or like Alex's shoulders for the tall part. And I know she's like smaller, but I was like they could have actually won this challenge. Yeah, the top part was quite a challenge, hey? Yeah. But what about Jason? Like, what about the shot in the dark gambit? Like, how do you feel like he, because he doesn't end up playing it?

so I thought it was interesting that he was using it to kind of and to kind of try and make himself you know he kind of felt like oh well if I might be safe and Matt's not due to shot in the dark then they won't vote for me because I'm more protected and then he doesn't do it so what did you think about that? Yeah I think it was probably because he wanted to postpone it so that he could still have it for another round

next week and and I think this is where he can now go and have a conversation with someone else in that tribe and say, listen, it was very easy to split a vote if there were two of us here. If it's just me,

who are you guys actually going to split on? Yeah. If I play my shot in the dark, that is when you get the cogs working for the other people who are supposedly

in the bottom but the problem is then they're already down four to two you know so so it could have only been effective in this round well i guess maybe it is that he had a read that it was mad over him you know here it's like a 50 50 maybe next week if they go to tribal it's 100 so maybe at that point it's just better to have the shot in the dark he is reading it well i didn't think that the bluff worked because they could split a vote so it wasn't threatening. And then even like the idea of him, it's like, well, maybe we'll keep Jason case he'll play a shot in the dark and then he won't have it next week compared to Matt. But even that, they could just take up probably, as we're saying, as you want. They just have so much runway. Like, it's very,

very hard to threaten them. Um, so I do think, I don't think the bluff really works. And clearly what they wanted from him was like more loyalty. So I know I said a couple of weeks ago, like, if it's a 50, 50, if it's even like a 90, 10 play a shot in the dark, it's not that useful. an advantage. Maybe it is better for him next week, but like, it might not even hit, try and change things up next week and play it now. But I do think for him there was actually some benefit to voting for Matt. They were asking for loyalty. I don't, does it change Jason in the pecking order? Like, no. But if they don't lose the challenge, maybe it just creates more foundational trust moving forward. I think that that is fine. I think his read is good. I think that if they split it

the other way and they want him to go home and it's the three to one him rather than a three to one. He takes it to a three one. Maybe he makes the last minute pitch there. Look how I voted for Matt and Matt didn't vote, you know, so and that shows, you know, Matt voted for Nate. Um, so look at that. Um, I think there was like some small benefit to him voting for Matt and his read must have been good to do it. So I think that part was fine. I don't think the bluff really worked and wasn't what they were like requiring of him. They wanted him to like stake his claim a little bit more. You know what?

The funny thing is, Shannon, you know what would have helped them in this position if they had an extra vote? Who? Would it have? Matt. If Matt had an extra vote, it's certainly a more persuasive element in a scenario where there's a split vote and you are in the minority. Yeah, but even then, right?

Assuming they could swing join in which they couldn't. They couldn't. There's nothing. Yeah. If you want had the extra vote. Yeah, well, Juana had the opportunity to get the extra vote. Ironically, from Matt, it would be funny if he would have taken Matt's vote and then they would have just been right back to square one.

It's possible at that point, like, Juan's trying to do something interesting, you know, and then he's, but even here, again, he can come over the top of the split and he's not thinking to do that because it would have been insane. Stop leaving savings behind at the pump. Get up to 7 cents per liter in value every time you fill up at Petro Canada. That's 3 cents per liter in instant savings plus 20% more points when you link an eligible RBC card to your Petro points. Find out more at RBC.com slash Petro-dash Canada. Conditions apply.

I think the thing with the season as well is like it's not only ingenial. Like other than like Jason and Matt, like they weren't being like so smart about it here. But like most people are kind of just like doing what they should. Like no real notes. But like, no people aren't like imploding. You know, it's a very like. Yes, that's what I said. It's a just a quiet episode.

It's predictable. It followed the script, you know? Yeah. And what did you think about Sophie? Sophie. Yeah, Sophie. So Sophie we know. So Sophie we like actually have a relationship with them.

There's two sophies, but yeah. I was wondering with Sophie. I was like, is this one of those seasons? where she she could be the Stephanie LaGrosse of the season, right? Because you're seeing that, pardon? It would be ironic because we're getting Stephanie Lagrosa next year, you know? Right, but you are getting those vibes of certainly between her and the others. She was always the narrator at the other tribe as well.

So it seems like she's got a bit more mileage in the season. So I get the sense because of that. that she might be going deeper than the others, but it will be very interesting how deep it is, because it's quite clear now that she's already insulated. She found herself to basically conquer a tribe and found a new home, and she's insulated within that new home with minimal effort. With that said, though, I do get the sense that it was probably more the energy,

between her and Savannah, they were feeding off a similar type of energy and that it wasn't just a sense of, you know, one person is playing way better than the other. So they're picking up each other's positive vibes. And I think, what is the term that they use, these youngsters in these tribes? Is it vibes? No, some of the words that they were using and I was like, jeepers, I'm old. same honestly at this point

cinema yeah yeah it was really unfortunate to identify with that confessional that Nate had but it was like wow

I started watching this show when I was 10 years old like really the passing of time I also think it was amazing in this episode like she must be exhausted and she's just like she's never off you know what I mean

she's like it's such like active social work and I really liked how she told Savannah the truth of what happened at Kellea because the idol thing of Alex playing the idol I kind of feel like that might be coming out anyway it's not like a big secret it happened publicly I guess with two people but

that it's not even about you you're giving away like valuable information to be an asset but it's not like you had an idol and then I also think her saying I would have voted with Jeremiah but Alex had the idol which is true which is true and but it could never but like it wouldn't necessarily come back to her

you know like if Savannah would ever go Alex would be like that's what she told me and Alex comes back to Sophie she could be like yeah that was a lie like I didn't want us to seem close to each other but I definitely was but you know no one that was no one can can clock her intention like only she knows what was in her heart so yeah that's completely unverified I thought there was a such an interesting way to leverage information that that can never be verified I mean if if for whatever reason yeah Savannah would go back and say well actually if you had no intention of being on your side you can say why would you say that that's that's not true there's no way to verify that

exactly but but equally it also opens her up it was very smart in the sense that her vulnerability is like these are my cards this is where I'm at in this game and I just need a new family yeah i don't have a new person you know i lost my person so i was already flying solo year yeah yeah and it's not untrue but i and i think she does that so well it's like no one especially this incredibly kind cast was voting sophia

like the fact that matt was even pushing that was such a terrible read on the situation she comes into this group she's lost four people in seven days she has one shoe she's wearing other people's shoes like she's not going I'm like, who would do that? It would be like killing a puppy.

Like, how did he possibly think this was like a genuine option? That's exactly how I felt. And I'm quite surprised if they didn't call him out on it. Like, cheevers, that's a really mean thing. We're not mean. She's probably had the roughest time, aren't you? Yeah. Like genuinely, like a comically terrible time.

None of them have been to tribal council. She's had to vote out her close. ally who she was left because our other closest ally got bitten by a snake like no one was taking her out of like i genuinely don't understand how anyone thought like she could be there like throwing riots in the fire and they'd be like you've earned it you know like you're you're losing it a bit but if i were heard i would say the last time someone was that every single tribal council they ended up winning the season so there's always something to hold auntie yeah yeah i mean like she has a great story if she makes it to the end.

I think she's playing so well. I think she's been amazing. I think it was just the fact that she went out of her way to make like such great communal connections. You know, like as she said, like she's with the Ooli majority. So obviously you're going with Ooli. Like obviously you're not going to go with Mats. Not that you even can, but like go with Hina, who you mostly don't even know yet.

You're with this Oli majority. But it's not just that she like ingratiated so on to the group. I'm sure she leaped Joanne. And we see that she's really close with Nate with Savannah. Rizzo tells her about this. the idol, like such individual connections, I thought it was, I thought it was so good. Like, I know that, you know, she, maybe she lands in a good spot because they will feel a bit sorry for her and, like, they're not thinking about her because there's this like

tribe-on-tri rivalry that she doesn't have. But, like, it was just the fact that she was willing to, like, go to work after just the most exhausting week ever. And she's just being so, like, actively social that I thought was so good. Oh, you're muted. No, I agree with you 100%. Like I said, it's one of those stories where you can see that she's obviously so likable. Add to that the fact that she's so likable.

How pittiful the story is as well. Yeah. And I think it is one of those things that will probably come up at the toe end. The deeper she goes into the game because she's just got a full. a better story than the people she's with at the moment. She'll have just played so much more survival. I mean, we saw like this

with like Kenzie, you know, I mean, I guess like Jam Jam was more like against Tika, but it always felt like you know, she was always going to have that credit to her name of having had it so much harder. I do also think, I think she's having her cake and eating it too because while she's getting closer with

Uli, I think she and Alex have bonded through that. I think the fact that she voted with Alex last round, which I thought was great. gave a chisely points for. Like I thought that was really smart and I think that they said it will bond them and I think it genuinely will even though it wasn't really

either of their first choices. I think that like, yeah, they will actually reconnect and that might be important. And the entire time she wasn't a target. That for me is like mind-blowing. Yeah. And it speaks to the quality of a game.

Yeah. I think the thing that annoyed me was you know, we complain about the disaster tribes. There's too many disaster tribes. We know what the show is trying to do. They manufacture these disaster tribes. tribes do a myriad of different ways and the thing is like then we're saying we're like they do have a good story I'm like I feel in my heart like I just want the best for Alex and

Sophie I'm like damn it's working on me you like I was like this particular tribes off was like the house and the haves and then and then the haves have nots you know that is true that is true but yeah it was it was close that and that was shocking because they hadn't had a Flint and stuff. We've seen Swap Tribes battle. But I think, like, for me, it was just like the one good thing you can say about, I mean, disaster tribes, the two good things you can say is, it's an interesting story that's a self-contained story arc. And then you're very invested in, like, the Malcolm and Denise characters. Yes. But, like, but I've been complaining about how often the disaster tribes happen. It's not interesting anymore. It's so manufactured,

like, make it end, pull me out of my misery. But then, like, I am invested in them. So, and I know, and I know that I'm aware of all the story beats that make me invested, and it's still working, which irritates me so bad. Yeah, I think the tougher part of it was that they still had to go to tribal council after losing Jake. That, that for me was so beautiful. I really, like I was waiting for Jeff to say, you're a tribal, we've already lost someone so you can go back to camp.

Honestly, part of me was like. I mean, I said last week that I thought they should have swapped them before Jake even went home. And I, like, Oma message me and my brother message me is like, you can't just pull a swap. There's like, that's terrible. I'm like, and Kieran and Dino also hated it. But to be fair, I'm like, they said they were always going to swap at 14. I don't know. I don't think so.

They swap when there's a disaster tribe. You're telling me they were definitely going to swap to two tribes of seven if everyone was losing. That's not in the newer way. My point was just that they do swap them when they get too disastery. I just wanted them to pull the pin earlier because I'm hate. these disaster tribes and that it is working on me. So I genuinely like when they were standing up there against Tina and Uli last week,

part of we thought Jeff should just be like, you don't have to compete. You get immunity. Jake already went home. And I'm like, that's not how this game works. That's not fair. But that's how I genuinely felt. Like you're really making them compete right now. I don't think they should have told them that Jake was made Vax at the challenge so

that they have to like deal with that emotional weight and then immediately do a challenge. Like, God damn it, it is working on me. Like, I wish the best for them. I really do. Like, it breaks them out. Yeah, no, no, it was, yeah, I really thought CBS might just pull us an Australian survivor where it's like, it's okay. Nobody needs to go home. Or you voted for someone and they've gone somewhere else.

You know, did we really need to lose two people in last week's episode? It just got a little too sad. And then, and then they, they weigh. like the boat was getting to, I was like... That is, the opening of this episode. Yeah. It had me thinking, you know, I was wondering, I was looking at that and I was thinking, I'm really surprised something like that never happened to any of my disaster

tribes on my seasons. And then I realized that, no, it's because we were sensible enough to set up camp far enough away so that when the tide rises you're not a risk of stuff like that but it's it's the type of stuff that people have no

idea how something as simple as her using her shoe was just like the weight that would break the camel's back when you have just had the losses and you're stuck with the person who you'd rather not He's stuck with, it's just a whole, the fact that she could pick herself up from that

and still be able to carry on and not like lift her spirits up. It's just like, wow. I am curious, though, as to who would have left their shoes behind. It must have been Jets. Yeah, I mean, I guess you wouldn't put a shoe on the snake bite. Yes, it must have been Jays' shoes. that she was wearing because I had a moment where I was like, no man,

who would be voted off and leave off their stuff there? Yeah, I feel like this whole segment that we just had is just reinforcing the disaster tribes of the new era forever. Like, that's the opposite of what I'm trying to do. But it was working. Also when they came to the Kaila camp and Alex was like, it's so, it's just a mess. It was so relatable.

You know, like when people like pop in and like the house isn't clean and you're like oh we've got stuff you know like he's like he's like underwear hanging up it's just like i'm really sorry i wish i could tell you my house was normally in a better state but it's not true yeah but like you're here now and the least i can do is offer you coffee if you're brave enough and i'm afraid to get an infection or something when i saw the food out because that was the other thing for me i was like at this half-eaten coconut that was like lying on bark I'm like oh my word don't they have like a designated place to throw stuff away because the ants and the critters are on you like so quickly if you don't figure out how to dispose of food

and yeah I just looked at that and I thought oh no yeah I mean I agree but they said on nodules I don't think they should have gone back to Kelleer because it just felt That's why it feels like the haves and the haves not Yeah I completely agree And I like it's so like even they're like weird You know Hina got the hammocks for one time

Like one tribal which never like Makes sense for one night But it was just so disparate And like I'm actually kind of glad that it's been bridged By Kelleer getting a close win Winning fire Because like you would hate for them to lose Just because they happen to go to that camp

I mean, like, the swap, you know, you can get swaps fruit and that's haphazant enough and it's luck-based enough. And, like, we accept that as part of the game, but why make that even more extreme? So I'm glad they bridge that gap. And then again, I was like, well, Sophie got, you know, fire for a bit and the nice camp and Alex won immunity and he got fruit and he got flint. And I was like, damn it, I care so much. I'm like thinking about if they're okay. Damn it, disaster tribe. I looked at that and I thought, I mean, after fire, the top is the most valuable thing.

to have out there. Who is the top of Peter? He has everything. Pardon? Yeah. I actually

distinctly recall my seasons probably the first night I was actually able to sleep was the night you at the top

because it was a barrier between the elements so it's it's so invaluable comparatively. Yeah. What did you think

about Sophie than Sophie we don't know calling out how she didn't want fruit as a rule right diet food I'm not going to lie like I've had I've said the exact same thing before when people bring out fruit as dessert I'm like this isn't dessert where's the chocolate but now I like my sweet tooth and my pregnancy cravings like the sweet tooth is gone and and I crave fruit

so genuinely when that reward came out I just went to the fridge and ate a bunch of fruit fruit and fruit juice are like my go-toe now but like before that I completely agree with her like that is not food it's nice but it's not but my favorite thing about that was the fact that Jeff was like he didn't say like what do you think of this reward and she was like don't love it he was like really amped he was like isn't this wonderful and she was like no like he was such a leading question that's all that was missing was for her to say was apple bees okay yeah literally and then you have to bring it in. Yeah, because the stuff that you miss is the stuff that you're not going to be able to get on the island.

And, I mean, they have coconut. But, yeah, fruit is probably the last thing on your mind. Yeah. But that was hilarious. I think that was her, she probably regretted saying that straight after it came out of her mouth because it was like an oopsie daisy my brain i had a brain fart and it's just out there now so you can't backtrack on it um but yes i mean the food rewards are always something worth looking forward to and there's actual sustenance yeah i mean not in deprivation survivor new era but

i think the production saw her answer and we're like you're going to be the sophy we don't know like we only have room for one sophy in the edit and it's not going to be you I just love how Jeff was like That was not the answer Like the fact of the end it was crazy Like the fact Jeff was just like that was That's not the approved script Like tell me that you're happy to be here

You know what I mean It was really refreshing I was like I respect that Sophie I don't know Like I want to actually get to know you Because I respect it Although to be fair We say that But those food rewards can also be the most dangerous thing

to have when it is proper food and you have been starved for as long as they have people are made back from it no one gets many back back from exactly which chances of that happening with fruit are

limited yeah should we get to the Chizzy sure all right take it away Jacob's like a wine theme and emphy colour

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Actually, this is quite wild because I think I came into this discussion, having not allocated. But I think off the top of my head, I'm going to trust my gut. I'm going to go with Savannah. I'm going to give Savannah three. I'm going to give Sophie two and my one is the one that I'm really debating. I think I'm going to give it to Shannon, an Honourable Mention

the work that she did on the other trial. Well, that would be, like, that's a whole one point. Is it an Honourable Mention or is it a one point? It's a one point. I'm going to give it to Shannon because I couldn't decide between the two guys. They played that very well. Yeah, I'm going to give it to Shannon. I think she really landed herself in a good spot there.

And even though they didn't go to trouble, it's enjoyable watching her play. What about Savannah gives her the three for you over the guys? Like, what did you, because you think she's really leading it? Yeah, that was the sense that I got, and I felt that out of the guys as the person who connected directly more she was able to bring her person in yeah um who's not necessarily um everybody's person

even though she's presented it as that as that and um the push for matt i think was the one i see that push for matt being voted out and her as her getting the victory on that even though it was as much of victory, I suppose, for someone like Nate, it should have been an easiest sell. Yeah, I'm really between it. That's really interesting because I'm going to give three points to Sophie I've spoken about.

I think she was amazing. I'm going to give two points to Nate because I feel like for Nate, no notes that Matt is like clearly the right target. He's going for Matt the whole time, as he should. So I feel like there's no complexity there. And then I'm kind of between Savannah and Shannon, and you're kind of convincing me to Savannah.

I feel like Savannah was kind of pushing Jason a little bit, even though I do think Matt's a better, Matt's a better target for her and they do go with Matt in the end. And I don't think it really matters as much as like she does really make a good connection with Sophie. I mean, they all do, but I think that it's very pivotal. And then I feel like Shannon was really good. But she is getting like clocked by Stephen a little bit. That is a thing. Yeah, she has been, that that is a point to make. That's the fact that she is clapped by Sage. And yet, say, she is getting. And she had a really good thing going with Sage

and now like maybe because they're like in this really dire situation but now that feels like it's really falling. She's getting clocked by Sage but she's not getting clocked by the people that count should they have to go to trouble. Yeah. And it was so effortless with Christina and I felt like MC was also

responding really well to her. I'm very between it. Like the three and the two are really clear for me. and then, I don't know. I mean, with Shannon, I feel like it could almost backfire, even though I think that, I mean, it shouldn't be so obvious. You know what I mean? That's how I feel about it as well.

Yeah. And with Savannah, I think the thing that is really good is that we see her doing a lot, but when Matt has a name to throw out there, he throws out name. And that it isn't, it isn't obvious. to the people she's playing. That's the other thing. I actually came in here with Shannon as my Chitty Point, but I think I will change to Savannah because of those things.

Because, yeah, she's not the target. Matt is a good target for her. Although she kind of just ends up in a really good swap and then makes the most of it, whereas Shannon ends up in a really bad swap and does what she can. I'm really between it. I don't know.

That's so interesting. Well, you clearly, think Savannah because you gave her three points. I clearly think Savannah between the two, but... Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was good. It was good from both of them.

Maybe I shouldn't, like, give it to someone who had two negative confessions about her in Shannon? Yeah, okay. I'll change to Savannah for me. That's kind of crazy. I'll give an honorable mention to Shannon. Because you know what it is? Like, it's purely that conversation was so,

for me. I think they both like handle that very well. No. Yeah. For me, Sophie handles it the best.

But like I was going to say, for me, it did feel like that they were pretty much, it was a given take for both of them. It was. And they like help Rosa

find the idol. And at the end of the day, we've seen Joanne and Savannah have possible issues. shoes, but clearly not to the point where Joanne feels that out. You know, it's good, it's really going to do something. So there's nothing really that negative there. So you can't really fight it.

All right. Live cheesy points here on the podcast. Yes. Is there anything else from this? On both sides. Yeah. Is anything else from the season you want to, do you? Yeah, I want to see when it's going to pick up and people will be going for each other.

Yeah, it'll inevitably be when I'm overseas. No, last week, last season that did not happen, actually. It just was, it never picked up ever. You're assuming you will pick up, which is generous. Like, maybe, you know. Please don't, don't jinx us and mention last season that it might just run exactly the same way. I think what will be interesting is we actually do get this like two tribe,

like actual war. That could be interesting. like that could make something like murgatory interesting like usually kind of people will come together on a communal vote and it doesn't really matter but people might be more precious about it so I think you know

this swap kind of seems like the dynamics are quite set it's going to be between the people on the bottom but like maybe getting to murgatory and then emerge of like an actual war like that seems like it will be probably pretty good I think so and the interesting dialogue that I look forward to between Sophie and Alex

when that does come into play Yeah, I do see that. As to what's going to happen, which side are we siding with? Are we siding with someone? Are we keeping, are we staying in the middle and trying to navigate our way from there? But yeah, based on what we've seen so far, and it certainly feels like Sophie is the better social player and the one who's more likely to be able to get things done her way,

between the two of them so yeah i am very curious though about the prospect of of throwing challenges i want to see and i want to see if even if that is a discussion would the edit be honest with us about that because we know that it's it's not something that production likes but i could make a very clear case for throwing a challenge being part of playing the game actively Yeah, I mean, I completely agree. People hate that, but I always find it interesting. Because you're in control of what happens in the game, whereas if you leave your fate in another tribe, like what's happened now,

then you've got no protection for your people on the other side. Yeah, I mean, I love that it makes challenges more strategic. I love that it is not, it's not like a fail-safe thing. you know it's kind of like splitting a vote it's not just like a get out of jail free card like you are putting yourself at some risk you're going to tribal council you know anything can technically happen and you're like taking on that calculated risk like there's real strategy involved in doing that even though people really hate it because it's like for them not in the spirit of the game but I think it's completely in the spirit of the game because it is in the spirit of the game

yeah that is the whole game it's like finding creative ways to strategically work through the game And I think that next week is interesting because next week, it's even more clear to me. Like, I kind of got it this week. I'm not saying they should throw it next week, but I really think it should be even more of a discussion. Because especially for this new Hina group of the original Uli's, like Jason didn't play an idol here.

They clearly don't have an idol. You know you have the idol on that beach. I guess you don't know what the original Hina idol situation was if one of them had it, even though you can split a vote. But like it seems really clear that Jason didn't play it, didn't have anything. The shot in the dark is like such a minor threat. Like they really could afford to.

I think the one thing they might think like hopefully, like maybe they'll indicate to Shannon like do need this or is Sage going home? And I think they'd be fine to let Sage go. But if Shannon would say to them like, I really need help here, I think they should really look at it because Shannon's super important to that group. Yeah. Maybe that'll be it. I'd love to see it.

always love a challenge throw. So maybe that'll be that'll be that. Part of the discussion. Yeah. I think that it would be, yeah, a very, very interesting thing. And we'll see as well how Hina react to Matt going. Because they might want an eye for an eye as well. That's true.

But also how Sage and Shannon certainly feel you get the sense that they are fracturing while on the other side. I don't know if it's purely from Sage's side but you can certainly see that they are moving in different directions with the previews for next episode as well so it will be interesting to see how that is red on the other side yeah I think as well

if you're going to be the kind of tribe that comes in chanting heina he not he not like at that point go all in Throw a challenge. Vote out who leaves? You've laid your claim to what is happening here. I don't necessarily agree with it, but that is the way you're playing the game. So we'll see. We'll see. Teresa, thank you

so much. It was fun to catch up and talk about the season with you. I made it. Yeah, we did it. This is super fun. Next week I'll be with Caroline from a Strains of the Titans v. Rebels talking about episode 5 of Survivor 49.

then I have a week off because I'm going away and then I'll be back week seven. So that's what's happening. Gus and Around, the podcast that I do with my husband Peter, Gus and Around podcast on YouTube or you can find it Gus and Around G-U-S-S-S-I-N around Apple and Spotify

where we talk about various things from our life and our pregnancy journey and like mental health and podcasting and our interest. We rank the K-pop Demon Hunter songs. So that's what we are doing over there. please check it out. Follow me at Shannon Gates for all of that. But Teresa, always fun to catch up with you.

Thank you so much for making the time. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you, everyone. Thank you to our team behind the scenes, and I will see you next time. Bye. One million pounds. Million euros. One million rubles. Tribe Spote.

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