RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor Global: Survivor 49 Episode 11 with Zara Callianiotis

Episode Date: December 8, 2025

Survivor Global: Survivor 49 Episode 11 with Zara Callianiotis Survivor Global host Shannon Guss speaks to Australian Survivor Brain Zara Callianiotis about Survivor 49, episode 11. They discuss the winners and losers (or lack thereof) from this episode, as well as the strategic decisions around the journey, reward, the vote and what’s coming next. Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

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The adventure of a lifetime. The adventure of a lifetime. Every week. Every week, I'm like, welcome to the coverage of Survivor 49 for Survivor Global. I'm your host, Shannon Gus, here to talk about episode 11. I thought this was a truly bizarre episode of television, and we will get into it with an outcome. I will say I did not see coming. Every week, I'm like, this seemed kind of obvious, but not the last couple of weeks.

Well, Joania. not Alex and not this. So that's great and in some ways confusing. Let's talk about it. Thank God I will say the reins we've drawn to Australian Swivercast. We've been a wonderful addition to my guest list for this season. And to talk about it, I have our final four finisher, Zara right here. Zara, thank you for being here.

Thank you so much for having me, Shannon. I have really enjoyed this season and I'm excited to get into it. I thought that episode was actually fantastic right until the end. It was a bit of a letdown. but we can get into it. Yeah, I mean, I love to hear that you're loving the season. I never know who's watching because I kind of feel like everyone fell off. Even like a lot of the people who fell off, I'm like, like, with Miles,

I was like, you have to come back and watch the season. But then I asked you when you said you were watching it and enjoying it, and I feel like that's a very fresh takes, all right? What are you enjoying about the season? Well, I think I watched 48 and it was just a bit too close to myself, just having been gone. I felt like I couldn't watch it as just an audience member, whereas now I feel like I'm really back and just enjoying it as a viewer as opposed to watching it

and still being like a backseat driver and saying, oh, it wasn't like that. I don't know. It's so hard without food out there. I just can watch it and enjoy it. And I have to say when this started, I could really see the archetypes from our season that were out there. So that's been fascinating for me to watch because I feel like I'm almost watching parallel lives happening out there. what could have been for some of us. Yeah, well, back to be driving,

it's pretty much what we're doing on this podcast all the time. But, yeah, I mean, who do you see? What were the parallels that you see in this season? Well, I felt instantly that Rizzo and AJ are kindred spirits. They are the exact same person, the way they play who they are, their facial expressions, everything. I felt like it was just another AJ watching.

Miles, I felt like was Jason, the puzzle solver, the kind of like nerdy guy trying to get in and make things happen socially that always wasn't hitting the mark necessarily. Addy was myself. She was, you know, 49, loved triathlons, all that sort of stuff and felt a bit removed and like she couldn't get in with the cool kids. And then I felt like Karin was like MZ, like quite physically intimidating and she was very like mentally intimidating as well. And I couldn't find a Kaelin.

I thought at the start that he might have been Jake. And then as I watched it a little bit further. And I have to say this, like reminding everyone, we all have a brother-sister relationship. I thought Kailen might have been the snake, you know, just like living his best life out there. And the next dayers out. Yeah.

And he gets in favor. That is true. that I mean, that's, that's probably the best analogy. I mean, you said that you shared this with the graduates and they were kind of not with it. And I get why they feel that way. I feel like Miles would be like, I won. And Jason got through one tribal council.

Well, he was kind of swap screwed. But I feel like Miles, while he had social missteps, had way more inroads, obviously, that Jason ever had. I mean, you have to give yourself credit above Annie, who as well made it through one tribal council where you made it to the final four. AJ and Rizzo I mean the archetype

of like the cerebral guy sure but AJ I think like he's like 10 years older than Rizzo and I think like that maturity is evident over and above and then yeah MC and Karin I feel like I feel like and I say this with love for Karin like in the best way like Karin has like a lot more attitude

you know like MC seems like very sweet and not that Karin's not sweet but like that it would not be her identifying feature for me so yeah I mean I I don't know and I feel like AJ was more social than Rizzo as well because I was surprised this episode and I have to give Savannah her flowers

that Savannah seems like so much the jury threat. I've been looking like Rizzo, Rizzo, Rizzo because people do not like Savannah. They can say it's an act with Christina but she said it in confessional. Like she does not like Savannah, but she's so much the jury threat. And I feel like A.J. was always

kind of that jury threat. But I do think this jury is going to be voting kind of like your jury is going to be very much on game. It's not going to be relationships. It's not going to be social, it's going to be very much, like who I thought played the best game, even if I don't necessarily like them. So that kind of changes how I feel about how like some people are leading the way or not. Yeah, I mean, we'll definitely talk about as well. I think Rizzo and the fake idol play really threw me at the start of this. I think that was actually

a really big misstep. Okay. And yeah, but even when Rizzo was self-editing about at the, at the end of the episode, I thought I just could have seen AJ doing that as well. You know, He was like, oh, no, it's a bird and then a, oh, no, it's a, I just can see it going. Yeah, I mean, Rizzo has been my favorite character since day one, closely followed by Savannah. It's a toss up between the two of them for me. Yeah, and they're playing an amazing game. So we'll see who gets there, I guess. Yeah, well, let's talk about this episode because, yeah, I thought this was so, so weird.

What a bizarre, like, equilibrium they found where there's, there is a war. They sail on the next time one, like it's war. It has been war. The whole time has been this Uli-Hina war. I think the war will resume. And for this one week, everyone laid down their arms to get all of the same options. They kind of just prolonged the inevitable to get to something of a stalemate next week. And I think there are reasons for that.

Like there were roadblocks, like having to work around Sage, who was being very emotional. Sophie, you know, already diverting from Uli, even if they wanted to work with her. But I also think they didn't seem to want either side to take a shot. And I do think this was a misstep from both sides. But it's so interesting to me that both sides would allow it to get to this 3-3, where they both have some ammo, they both have some trinkets. Like they both have a reason they might win. Instead of just trying to take the shot here, like it's such a bizarre mirror image

where my criticism, well, the thing I would commend about both sides is like, oh, you all got through with all your trinkets. But the thing I would criticize is you let the other side get through with their trinkets. Like they did the exact same thing. So Sophie being a unanimous vote here when she was in the middle, I mean, it's an enjoyable kind of play, usually, for a swing vote to go home. But I, yeah, did not see this coming and still have questions about why it did, maybe. Yeah, I really thought the only people that that benefited were Rizzo and Savannah. That for all of the others, I think you can make an argument as to why that was not a good move.

But I also think everybody just got a little bit gun-shy, everybody got a little bit complacent. Sometimes people just think the easiest move is to make no move and just to go along with what everybody else is doing. And I can also individually see why all of them got to that point. You know, Sage, I think when she lost Joanne and her right or die, she would kind of, she started the episode a little bit, everybody, anybody but me. So I see why she didn't want to make a move. but yeah, I think it was a real misstep by most of the players out there.

I think it was a misstep, but it's like, again, it could be worse. It's like if there are three options, like the top option is like take out an opposing target for Uli, hopefully a Stephen. I even think weakening Stephen with like a Christina would be okay, just from a numerical perspective, certainly take out a trinket, and then like the middle option is this, and then the worst option would be one of you to go home or your trinket to get flush. And then for Hina, surely you want like Rizzle or Savannah out.

all the idol the very least but middle option was this but then at least like none of them went home and they kept the vote block like it was so exactly the same and I would argue it wasn't that great for Reso and Savannah they technically came in to what should have been this final seven was majority and they lost Sophie

and they like willingly lost Sophie even though she was working against them as well they come in here at a 3-3 that's technically worse so I don't know that I think that it was great for them but again it could be a lot worse for Sage, I mean, what to say about Sage? Like, this was like an out-and-out disaster for Sage, I think. From a TV perspective, I love it.

Like, I love Sage's character. I love that she's not just, like, good game. I love that we get that fire and ice with Joanne, like, as much as he's, like, you know, doing gestures on the jury now, like, he said, we made a mistake and he gave everyone a hug. But Sage, it's like, it's the fire and ice. You know, Sage is so upset about it. She's so emotional. This is wonderful survivor.

Like, this is 25 years of, like, you've broken my heart. And that's what keeps the show going. interesting. It's, it's so human. It's hypocritical. Like, she's been blindsiding people and she like doesn't want it to happen to her. But, and I love it from a TV perspective and from a human perspective, just, you know, very raw, very real. From a game perspective, so painful, obviously. Like, she's been going for Savannah this whole time and she has so much power in this vote. She is like the key to everything and she's being the most illogical. And that's why I asked, like, does Hina, are Hina trying to get to her to do something better and she's just unworkable?

Because I'm kind of willing to give them the benefit of the doubt because she did seem very illogical. Or are they not even trying that? And to be fair, we did see them say, well, I can keep my block vote. I mean, we saw Christina want to take out Savannah, but Stephen seemed on board was just doing this kind of middle option. So I don't know. Like, do you have a sense of, do you think like, yeah, do you think that they would have taken a shot at Savannah if like, say, she had been wanting to? Or like, where do you see kind of sage in all of this? Yeah, well, again, I was kind of disappointed with Sage's reaction

because it was exactly what we expected. I thought she's been, like, I love Sage as a character. I think she has been amazing. But I think we've seen that she is an incredibly emotional player. And this was her chance to come back to camp and say, you know, wow, well played guys. Of course I'm upset. That's my bestie. But it's just to show a different side and to understand.

understand that it was gameplay and to not go down that emotional path, but she did exactly as we expected that she was going to do and got really upset about it. So I thought that as well was a bit of a missed opportunity from her. She could have really gone in a different direction and made herself more workable, but instead I think that she gave them exactly what they've seen and she proved that she is being quite unworkable. I think that as well, if she'd been able to use those emotions, like you think I'm this person and I'll pretend to be upset, but actually, I'm working behind the scenes to beat you. I mean, that's a very different player,

but that's obviously what you want to do. Like, it's painful to me because the Heena three, who come in here, having just lost a vote, come in technically at a four versus three, gain so much power because Sophie and Uli are turning on each other. And Stephen does a lot of that. He protects himself. He takes himself out of the way as a target that people want.

People seem to really not want to vote for Sage and Christina, probably seeing them maybe as votes for the end. So it gave them so much space, because the Uli 4 that I like, I think, too generously credited them. But Sophie, Sof, Rizzo and Savannah are voting for each other. That plurality of three of Christina, Stephen, and Sage, if they were to stay together, have so much power. It's painful to me.

Like, was Stephen trying to get Sage on side for something cool? Because he's invested so much in Sage. He told her about Christina's idol. He has solely invested in Sage and never betrayed her as much as I can see. She's betrayed him. Apparently he knew about the Alex vote, but like, you know, They took out MC and possibly they were in a tricky situation there, but he's invested so much in Sage.

What I would have loved, and this to me is the move of the episode, Sage, if Stephen goes to Sage and says, look, here's what we have, Sophie is voting for Savannah. Savannah, Rizzo and Sof are voting for Sophie. Our three can vote for Rizzo. Then what will happen is if Rizzo doesn't play the idol, it's a 3-3-1 re-vote, we'll win on a three, two, we decide who goes home. We'll vote out Rizzo. We'll come back. You will not have taken out Sophie your enemy, but you'll have humiliated her. She'll have voted alone for Savannah and they'll have voted for her. So we'll come back to a three, two, one, I keep my

block of vote, tell her what you have. We'll have so much power and we'll have taken out Rizzo out of the game with his idol. Or what will happen is Rizzo will play his idol. We'll flush the idol out of the game. Sophie will go anyway. We'll come back to where we go, where we're going to be next week. You'll get Sophie out of the game, which is what you want regardless, but will have flushed out the idol. So that, to me, there's like, that's such a good plan. Um, to win on a plurality. It's fun. It's flashy for the jury, which we know this jury is going to love. Um, it's even trying to do that. Would Sage allow it? I don't know. But it's even even trying to do something like that. I also don't know.

So I would have loved to see this three do something very powerful on the fact that the other four had cracked because it gave them so much potential. And then they, used it to take out Sophie, who was trying to work with them, you know? So not a lot was achieved, I don't think. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I think somebody really need to sit down with Sage as well and say the revenge that you think that you want and that you're going to get and playing up to the jury and having that satisfaction of, you know, being able to say to Joanne, I got them for you and all of that. It was beautiful in the moment, but that's great for that vote. And I just don't think that she thought that much further ahead.

Because I think Sophie, purple Sophie actually is what we've been calling her in our house because she was so bad when we're doing Sophie. Yeah, exactly, purple Sophie. She, I mean, she was trying to work with Sage. She would have been great to have after this vote. And I just think, to me, in my head, I likened it in my own situation where they took Karen from me. And I was so focused about that.

and enraged that she had gone, because it genuinely does feel like your heart is being ripped out of your body when your bestie gets taken. And, you know, we fired back and took out Logan. And I was so on board with that plan. And in hindsight, potentially Logan is someone who would have been good for me to work with further down the track. And I think that's what she's missing here is that out of all of those options,

I think Sophie and Sage would have worked together well as opposed to, I think Sage should have been looking at Rizzo and Savannah and thinking they're the less, they are the least likely people to play with me. She has said that they don't respect my game. They don't respect me. They don't respect what I'm doing out there. And they're such a powerful duo that I just think it was a real misstep to let her, I get taken off the ball.

She has been so focused on Savannah and this was the one vote where I think she could have made it happen and made it happen very well and had a really great resume move for herself too. and she just let herself get a bit sidetracked, I think, without much thought of what's going to happen next. Yeah, I mean, obviously if she's going for Savannah and Sophie is, and Christina wants to, then I do think that, like, that's just like a pure four three. And no one has wanted Savannah out more than Sage.

But I do think that this other Rizzo plan, I feel like I come in every week and I'm like, why not just put an equal amount of votes on Rizzo, flush the idol, and if he plays the idol, your target goes home anyway. I said this about MC, I said this about Alex, and I'm saying it now. And I think that there's something that you can pitch there to Sophie, if she really wants revenge. It's like, Sophie may still go.

If Rizzo plays the idol, Sophie may go. No in Sage, Sage would probably tip Rizzo off, honestly. But if he doesn't play the idol and he goes, then Sophie, while the revenge is not that she's out of the game, there's still a humiliation of the fact that she's voted alone. She got votes from apparent allies in, or past allies in Savannah and Sof. She failed in her plan to take out Savannah, and now she's on an island and completely relying on us. And we can take her out next time if we want or Savannah. I think there are ways that you can pitch that where it's like, we will still get revenge.

And isn't revenge meant to be a dish, best serve cold? Is that not the whole point? So it's like, you know, the best players, like the Natalie Annesons, they wait for their revenge and it's like, it will come. I think just like taking her out next and actually like cutting off your own leverage, it's self-defeating. But like that, I mean, for Saseja speaks for itself. I just, for me, it's more how much do I blame really Stephen?

Because Stephen, I think, has a good episode, you know? like obviously he pushes to go on the journey he gets the advantage he wins immunity he keeps the advantage all of this is good but with all that power i would have liked to see a little more done but then i also because it's this middle option i have to also credit he's going to come in next week at a three three he could also get so far on side and technically even just at the three three with a vote block he should be able to have a 66% chance of of voting correctly and not being blocked by the idol. So he's in, like, it's in a better spot, but it's still tenuous, you know, like neither group comes out here with a win. And maybe, and should, and should I blame Stephen, or was it

just never going to be there? Like, the way that I look at it is that Stephen and Heena should really lock in with Sage. They probably couldn't have, but even if they could have, I don't know if that's what he was trying to do based on his confessionals. Uli, I think actually should have locked in with Sophie. They probably couldn't have. But even if they could have, it doesn't seem like they were trying to do. It's a bizarre mirror image with, you know, some things to commend and some things to criticize. But, yeah, for Sage, it's just truly terrible.

But for everyone else, I'm like, tricky spot, but I also don't know if they were managing that spot the best. Yeah. I mean, Stephen was the star of the show this episode. He did amazingly well. I loved the journey that he did. That was such a great challenge to watch. I know you don't love challenges too much,

but I thought it was great. I mean, it seemed unsafe. I can't believe they made him do that. to be honest. Yeah, well. It's like on the rocks. That was crazy to me. Definitely at the start as well, at the start of that challenge, I thought, this is amazing.

I said the whole time I was out there, when is there going to be a running challenge? I wanted to do that. This is my jam. I thought it was going to be a flat out run around the island, but it was more like a rock climb around the island. And when the numbers started coming up too, I literally thought the numbers were going to be one, two, three, four, five, six and they were just making him run around for the sake of making him around.

but it was quite a distance and it looks like it was maybe four, five Ks and that would have gassed you in the state that he would have been in. I know Stephen's not on my wavelength because he was counting the numbers whereas Jake said in Survivor 45

he does Survivor Winners, that's always how I try remember numbers. Even to this day I can tell you what Stephen's numbers were and I have not watched that challenge again since watching it a few days ago. If I'm not mistaken, it was 184, 325 JT, Gabler, Denise. Really easy to remember number that way, but that is not what Stephen was doing. So, yeah, but, you know, it was impressive that he

got it done and even more impressive for me that he went out to do it because everyone was mad that they'd allowed him to do that. And I think they were like right to be mad because they gave him a big opportunity and then he took it. Yeah, I think as soon as the word strenuous was mentioned, you just saw everybody not want to do it. And I can blame them, to be honest. I feel the same way. I totally felt for them in that situation because you are so hungry. tired, your brain is scrambled, the thought of going and doing something strenuous. And they're also being strategic by thinking, I don't need to do that right now to myself. I'm going to save my energy. I'm going to try and win immunity. But all of them equally said that they were annoyed that

Stephen went. So I found that confusing when they were sitting in their confessional saying, oh, that was very annoying that Stephen got to go and do that. It's like, but you let him do that. You had the opposite to go as well. I think they were hoping it would be like a sage or Christine. or maybe even that wouldn't have been great or maybe that like it wouldn't be them but like an ally would do it but I do think and I kind of get it because you don't want to lose a vote right

I mean now they're going to have a vote blocked it would kind of be the same outcome to go out there and fail like you know it's going to be a challenge based on the way that it's been worded I do kind of think like the more physical members of the technical majority at that point Sophie and Savannah kind of need to back themselves and go

like I don't think you can let I mean and by go no one's going to be anti-social enough to be like we vote you out of this we've always said that with the journeys, but at least to do a scissors paper rock or something to try and go, like to let Stephen go. And then they were like, well, he'll gas himself for the challenge and he did it. It was just a, it was a little bit too scared. I think it was ironic because it was kind of a flip from what we have seen this season

where Uli will kind of take their chances and Hina won't. And for the first time, like, last week I said, Hina, stand up, do something. And Stephen was like, I will. And I really respected that. I really respected. He's like, I'm going to go. I'm going to win the advantage. I liked his lie about it, scaring people off.

not saying what it is because the vote block is, you know, usually quite small. It could be very important next week. But like making people scared about it, he couldn't, you know, say he'd lost his vote and try and draw votes because he had nothing to protect himself, winning the challenge. I'm like, well, at least he's doing something, you know. So I have to credit that. Like, I can't commend that they just let him go do that, even if I understand the risks and like why they were reticent to do it.

Yeah, I thought that was interesting when he came back because he was saying that he was trying to think what he was going to say. And I, in the moment, was thinking, what would I say? what would I say? And yeah, he used that perfectly. He actually used it to even more of an advantage for himself because Rizzo, who is obviously a diehard survivor fan, made it seem like it's something even more than what it actually is.

So again, it all played out really well for him. I also, when he came back, I noticed that the pot was so far in the air still. So you had to think that whoever was going on that journey, they really wanted to win that advantage just to see it all play out because he had so much time. He probably could have walked around that island and he still would have got back in time before that pop smashed. Yeah, I feel like you really have to back yourself, but I did like it. I think it kind of shows when he comes back and he doesn't try and draw votes,

which would be obviously saying he doesn't have a vote. That kind of shows it's not an idol, but I don't think they would have thought it was an idol. And he's right that it is best case scenario for Rizzo to think it's something more dangerous than it is. And I think we kind of see the domino start falling then because Rizzo's like, well, now I might try and like make a deal across the aisle, which again, isn't necessarily the best case for Stephen. It's nice to have it as an option, but it wasn't also, I think, the best case for Rizzo and Savannah and that like Uli contingent. So I think Stephen's doing a lot there. And to be fair, a lot of that is on the misread of what the advantage is. So he's doing a lot really well.

I think even with like the reward choices, you know, it worked really well for this plan of the middle option to take Rizzo. in a perfect world to be like take Christina and Sage and sell Sage on a cool plan because she's so powerful but it's just a small little reward and that's like so transparent and the other group have an idol that it's almost not worth the transparency so I don't think there's a lot he can do there like I think Stephen was quite limited here I don't know if he pushed beyond those limits or if he could have or if he tried but he can't use the vote block here and he get it to more than a tie without Sage he doesn't have Sage it feels like sage sage is pretty unworkable He protected himself.

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But again, I understand, you know, he was kind of trying to be a gentleman about it. But that surprised. Yeah, I think we're not taking Rizzo. Like, once you're taking, like, then, you know, like you are like going all in on this, like, middle plan. Like, Christina, I guess might as well eat. You know, if you want to, like, really do something against Oli, you could do Christina and Sage because that's your group. but that's so transparent. At the point where they're all going to be voting against Sophie,

and that's the plan that you're emboldening by your choices, like as long as Sophie is not there at all my nose, it doesn't matter who eats, so I guess, you know, it's fine. Yeah. It's not like it's a spa award as well that's like overnight or, you know, they were there seemingly for like 45 minutes, just like right near camp anyway. So it's kind of fine.

Yeah. Yeah, I was going to ask you what your thoughts were because I actually finished last episode confused with Rizzo's Idol play. So I wanted to take you back to that and ask what your thoughts were about that. Because when I watched it, I genuinely thought, oh, was his idol fake the whole time? I had to go back in my head and think, oh no, hang on a minute. There actually has to be a real one because he's been talking about it in confessionals. So I was so confused by what the point of that was. well that was my hope for the plan like your confusion about whether it was real i was hoping everyone

would be like wait was the idol never real and that to me i think i aimed too high and then i was like wait but they all found it together that's unbelievable someone from oolie would have to have it and the options are pretty slim so i kind of in the moment was working back on how impressed i'd been by that i think last we came to the fact that we thought it would be theater first or cinema should i say um and then i didn't think it was to gauge the tribal to try and read them because I thought that it was really clear, like the read that Sophie had given them so much information was already so clear. And then this episode, we find out that he was going to play it to try flush Christina's

idol. But Christina, in prime heena fashion, was really to just play the idol, which was so crazy to me because I said this last week, like, why? Even in this episode, they're like, we really thought of Stephen because everyone was saying Stephen's name. It's like, that should mean it's not Stephen. Like, again, if they're all going to betray you and vote for someone, then why would they give you the real name.

So the only way that I thought that it made sense to play an idol on Stephen would be to try and flush Rizzo's idol, have actual a majority of people who are saying, they're saying it's going to be Stephen, but it's not a majority on Stephen. Then you play the idol. They get scared because that's their target. It's not going to be a winning target, but it is their target.

Rizzo plays the idol, and you can win either with the one Rizzo vote or you could have won on a re-vote. That doesn't seem to be what they were doing. They really thought that Stephen was the target because they'd heard that, but like people lie on survivor um and if you were going to be doing that then i thought that the you should be doing it to flush the idol from christina and stephen's standpoint and it

didn't even work so i don't know i don't know like their play made less sense to me but rizzo's play it felt like he was trying to have fun with it at this point like it really it really was purely cinema i guess at the end of the day so for christina i mean all i can say is i like the fact that she played it for somebody else she tried to take a swing and do something and and it just didn't work. So I'll give her some credit for trying something, trying to do something with the idol, admittedly not the right thing. Rizzo, I just felt like it was too much. And I love, I adore Rizzo. It felt unnecessary to me. It felt performative for the jury. Oh, it was performative. It was literally wholly performative. Yeah, but kind of for no reason. And I think,

I think that he has really shot himself in the foot. And I will take this back, Rizzo turns out to be the winner. But I think that it was too much. And I think he's now put a massive target on his back and nobody's going to want to take him to the end because of that. I just, I think he overplayed his hand. It was unnecessary. Yeah, to me it was pointless. And he was just doing it for fun. And if I was sitting there, I wouldn't, yeah, on either side, if I was sitting on the jury or if I was sitting there still in the game, it wouldn't have impressed me very much. I just would have thought, ugh, yeah, overkill, I think. There's definite eye roll potential. I'll say for Christina, like she played it on someone else.

I feel like she should have almost ruled Stephen out as a candidate for the votes. Because again, if they're not, unless you think you have the majority and you know that the, unless what you're, what you're trying to do is get the minority who are apparently voting for Stephen in the world that you've heard. You have a majority that are not voting for Stephen who were voting for whoever they voted for last week. And then Savannah probably. But so you have a majority and they think it's going to be Stephen. So you're going to flush an idol.

By playing it on Stephen, you scare a minority who think they're a majority. They play an idol, you flush the idol, which did not work. If they were going to be in the minority, I think it should have been like, okay, well, it's definitely not Stephen. He has implicit immunity. I'm being told by people who are saying they're with me that Stephen's the vote. If I'm in the minority, they're not with me, so they're lying, which means Stephen's not the vote.

Like I think that they should have been like deduction of like, that means it's not Stephen. Maybe it's me. Maybe I should protect myself. Possibly they could have split. She should have protected herself or maybe even at that point. Probably she's only going to protect her or Stephen. But I thought I thought it should have actively ruled out Stephen as an option. I think that's why I'm critical of it.

Like while Stephen really seemed to appreciate it and like she did take a shot, it was a swing and a miss, I think on information that if there, yeah, if anyone was against her, if any of her five, Sophie, Joan or Sage were against her, then them telling her Stephen. is a lie because they're lying to her about even being with her. So it should rule Stephen out. That's on Christina and weeks in, but I still I don't get it. And then from a Rizzo perspective, like Rizzo's such a target, you know? He's already a target.

Rizzo's like playing with like house threat money. Like you already know who Rizzo is. It's not like, wow, who are you? You know, like, I kind of think like if you didn't want to go to the end with him, you weren't going to do it anyway and it might get some flashpoints. I think the worst thing you can say about it was like it didn't achieve as much as I'd hoped when I saw it.

When I saw it, I thought, wow, if you can convince even some people that there's any doubt that he has an idol, this is so brilliant. Even like a little bit of doubt, even like 1% of doubt, I thought that would be so interesting to just get them kind of off kilter. But the fact that that didn't happen, I'm like, I'm less impressed by it. Like, it was kind of just pointless to me. That was just fine. Yeah, but I'm not, but I'm not like so down on it.

Like, yeah, some people hate it and some people will like it. and that's kind of how Rizzo plays, I think, just generally. Yeah. Just Rizzo. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I have loved Rizzo. When he said as well, when he's like, I didn't come here to get eighth.

So I'm just going to do whatever I feel like. And, you know, like, if I go out at eight, that's fine. I'm, whatever. I'm trying to win. And that's the path that I'm trying to get to. But, yeah, I just didn't feel like this added anything to his game. I don't think. Yeah, it probably didn't add.

But did it subtract? Was it a normal? annoying enough to the jury that it took away from the game, I think is the question. I think it might be annoying to the players that were out there. Yeah, I would have had Rizzo fatigue. Page hated it. Yeah. Yeah.

Juan, I think Juan, I think he said, like, in his ex-interviews, like, he was like, hey, but I think Jowan could come to respect it. I think Nate would enjoy it, you know, I think the thing is, like, Rizzo might sit next to Savannah, and Savannah seems to be leading from a jury perspective. So it's about having fun with it. I also think he had a plan to try and flush Christina's idol somehow, you know, get up to play it, have her play it, and then have it be ruled fake after she's already played her idol.

It would have been a tricky maneuver. They were talking about this on No-It-alls about how he'd have to be like fumbling for his keys, which was great. And then I think when it didn't work out, he's like, well, I've already made this fake idol. Like, when am I going to have it, like, go to waste? Like, you know what I mean? Like, it made sense to try and flush the idol.

and then at the point where the idol had already been flush which is hilarious like it's actually songpoint for this season but like Christina just plays it she had made so little sense to me to play it on Stephen but she already does it. It's like great but now I already made this thing like you know is it a sunk cost or like can I do something with it

I think he was just like too far in the hole at that point he couldn't like pivot away from the plan he'd had to like have this moment yeah I mean I completely understand it if he was using it to push Christina to use her but at the point where it wasn't necessary anymore, I probably would have depended. But, like, yeah.

But yeah, he's like, you know, he's just been waiting. He, like, made it. He went out of his way. I think it was just that. It was just, he was just like, it was just like, I'm making these little damn beads on this string. I'm using it. Yeah, it was a moment.

I think for me, like, the main thing from last week was like, I was so disappointed in Rizzo when he got up to play what I thought was a real idol. I was like, why would you do that? You know you haven't voted for Stephen. What do we do? doing. And then even though just didn't make a lot of sense, it made a lot more sense than like playing the real idol. So I was like, hey, great. We're all on the same page now. Kind of. It is funny that we spent the whole week speculating. And then he's like, I just

kind of had it. See, that's kind of fun. You know, like, I don't know if it would get me as a juror. It got me as a viewer. So I enjoy it. So. And it's also, and I think the other part of it is that they are playing for 50. And it's not even something that's like, this hidden thing because Jeff said it on the show and it made the air. So like, yeah, if it's something that's memorable and that we're talking about, if it gets screen time, like, he doesn't know he already has a big edit, then, I mean, that alone might be something you're thinking about with 50, you know, filming in a few weeks from then. Yeah, that's a good point. I think as a viewer, it momentarily confused me and as a player, it irritated me. But yeah, I mean, as a pitch for 50,

sure, why not go big or go home? That's definitely the best thing it did out of everything. I'd love to talk about both Sophie's. Where does this go wrong for purple, yellow Sophie? Not purple anymore. She got a good second half. But yeah, like, do you blame her or is everyone else being weird? Like, what does she do wrong to go home here unanimously?

I don't think she did much wrong. I think that she was trying to work all the angles. Maybe she was too much in the middle. but to me that would have made her an ideal player because I really don't think that she had to me she was a number to scoop up instead of being someone that should have been unanimously voted out so I yeah I don't blame her too much for what happened here yeah I'm not a lot not a lot I mean she misread sage but sage is being so illogical it's very hard I also think that she was doomed by how

protected Stephen was and how much Uli, like they did turn on her, but I don't think they would have if Stephen was an option. Like she was kind of doomed by the fact that they don't seem to want to waste a vote on Sage or Christina, which is unfortunate. So maybe the thing that we can criticize is that she didn't go out of her way to

it's not even the block vote. It's not even going on the journey. She should have gone on the journey, but like if she's a challenge beast, she has to win that immunity challenge. Maybe it's like it comes down to just that. I think yeah, Uli turning on her kind of feels like she just ran out of a bit of room. I will say by, you know, flip-flopping and trying to do so much on pretty flimsy social capital, the worst thing you can say is that, like, you know, no one cared to prioritize her.

Like, no one was vouching for it's a unanimous vote. And obviously being blindsided unanimously is very unfortunate. But like, there's no one, you know what I mean? Like at that point, she's in such a flimsy position, she's trying to do a lot and no one's going to protect her. So that might be something you could criticize, maybe, that just no one. one will like stick their neck out for her and protect her or even give her information at that point when it's unanimous. I do think sometimes there is a lot of talk about players being socially

insulated and no one's going to go for them. But on the flip side, it is actually that everybody knows that when it's time to go for them, it's just going to be unanimous. So they don't get talked about so much because you know that you can very quickly get everybody on board. So I think that's sort of what happened with her. She was kind of just floating around, but everyone knew that when the time came to get rid of her, it would be no struggle. Because as you said, she didn't have anyone who she was particularly close to. There was, the only conversation that I thought she really missed was when she was talking to Sage and say, she was, she said, oh, who are the numbers? And Sage kind of went, oh, yeah, okay. Well, it's like you and me and like Stephen and

Christina, oh yeah, like that's four. Like she was very obviously trying to think in her head, oh, who can I tell her that we'll be voting with us for Savannah? Because it was, to me, it was pretty evident that she was thinking through and trying to pluck the names of who she could tell her. It was. It seemed very not genuine to me. But obviously when you're out there, there's a lot that gets said to you and you're constantly sifting through information. So I don't think that she can be blamed too much for missing that. I think, yeah, I just think she was one of those people that it was never going to be too tough to get everyone on board to get rid of because she was kind of just skating around in the middle the whole time.

And, I mean, people talk a lot about challenges and challenge beasts out there. I don't think that as much emphasis needs to be put on that because it only takes losing one challenge and then it's your time to go. So, yeah. And what we've had is a huge threat. Yeah, but I mean, there's three different people that are one, two challenges. So Stephen, Savannah and her. Yeah, so I mean, she's obviously very fit.

And even Savannah running around after the chickens, you can see that she's very, she's very fit. She's a physically fit girl. Steven, I am more surprised at everyone said that he's come from nowhere physically. But I do think a lot gets put on these physical challenges where to me it's a lot more about the social capital that you have and who's going to protect you. And that's where yellow purple Sophie fell short. Yeah, I mean, I agree.

They were saying that she's a huge jury threat. and this shocked me like the biggest one of the biggest surprises of this episode for me was how much I have to recalibrate my idea of the jury I thought savannah would have issues because like she has had social issues I thought that you know she has a great story that's obvious but like it seems like the story completely wins out and I thought that Sophie as well has robbed people the wrong way and they've said that and she's been really kind of adrift socially pretty much the entire game since literally OG Heena and in many tribe iterations that never even went to tribal council she was on the bottom but

they say she's been, you know, in on the vote and she's won challenges. And they, I think, are hyping it up from Rizzo and Savannah standpoint, but they also mean it. I think Sage is a confessional. Rizzo says it in confessional, like they do see her as a threat, certainly more of a threat than they see Christina and Sage, who I think obviously has this demeanor that in some ways is very accurate, actually, and in some ways is being played up. That mean people dismiss her, kind of like they did with, like, Carolyn, you know, it kind of seems like it's in that vibe. So she does become a threat. And then, yeah, she has no one to protect. protect her and she doesn't have the right read on what's going on. It's a pretty good argument for why

Sophie shouldn't break from her group too, because like, again, Sophie didn't even have really have a group to break from. She was at the bottom of Hina, flipped on them, but then went back to Hina for the plan, so it has nothing. But I will say in her defense, like, both of the plans that she's pitching as like a quote-unquote swing vote, I think makes sense. Like, if she's going to them and saying, we should take out an Oolie, we should take out Savannah Sage, which you've always wanted to do, I think that is way better than taking her out. You know, like, I think they should take that shot. I think she's trying to read logic where there wasn't as much logic there, especially from someone like a sage who was such a crucial vote. And then

even the other side, she said, would say that it was going to be Christina and it was kind of like a vague decoy and she didn't, she should have read more into that decoy for them. But even that I think is the better move. Like, I think if she can read the fact that Hina are not with her because they've never been with her and can try and lock in again with Uli. Again, I don't that they do it, but I think that's the best play for her. If she knew, if she had the full lay of the land, I would love to see her go to Sof, Rizzo, and Savannah, and say, let's take our Christina. Stephen has something. Do you want to come back to a three, three? Like, we need to take a shot just to even weaken Stephen. And that was a decoy, and that would have been the

shot for me. So I don't know how much I can discredit her when both of the plans that she's selling to either side, to me make more sense than what actually happened in her going home. Yeah. I think now that you've said that as well, to me, um, for her thinking that Sage would come back on side with her directly after the last vote, that was a mistake. I mean, she should come on side with her. Like, she should vote out Savannah. Yep. She, and it's a shame that she got like, as I said, she, you know, she has had this one target and she unfortunately ended up going the other way. But yeah, I just, I think that Sage is so emotional and she was just,

deeply hurt by Joanne going. So she, it just wasn't the right time to try and just turn around and be like, okay, well, I think we can work together this time. She, you know, yellow purple Sophie was saying, oh, Sage is a real gamer and I think she'll be able to see it from this perspective. And no, she, she's not that type of player. So. And she wasn't even trying to hide it. Like, she was crying. But I, I think it's like, and I think this has always been said. I remember listening to a podcast. I remember where I was. Like, it was, I must have been 10 years go, I listened to Richard Hatch speaking with Rob and talking about how sometimes cerebral players,

which I think Sophie was, is, you know, will read logic. And I think I would be like this if I was on the show because I would be like, okay, this is what you should do. So that's what I'm going to read. And I know like your Kwan has talked about like having a penner around. Like if you're self-interested, you might do the logical thing, which is then easier to read.

I think what can be so tough as it's like, Sage, you're going to vote with me for Savannah because you should. And she definitely should, but she's not reading. Sage is a person. Like, no, Sage is not doing the logical thing, but she's missing the emotion, like the really clear emotion. And the thing is, it's not even missing it on kind of losing the lay of the land of this vote. She also chose to keep Sage due to their relationship last week over Jaun because she felt like Sage would come back to her and misread how Sage would react to that and react to her and like be so betrayed by her. So I think

it's really hard to read Sage. I don't think I could have done it well, but she also like did not do it well. It's not a huge criticism, honestly, of Sophie, because I think in a different world where Stephen's not protected, I don't think she goes here. I think she kind of just ran out of runway a little bit, but I'm not like so harsh on how it happened for her. Yeah. And that actually is something that I have to say Rizzo is excellent at. He is finding people that, you know, and he says if someone's saying that they want someone to go, he's not necessarily going to do that because that's who they want to go. He is thinking about who he wants to go. But when you're out there, you have to come up with a person and a reason that that other player wants them out. And he is

so good at doing that. You know, no one's going to be out there going, oh, you know, you want Savannah gone. Oh, I'm just going to help you do that. Like, that's not the way that it works. And he's very good at selling people on why it's going to work for them. Again, AJ 2.0, very good at finding what's why somebody else should do. do that and not talking about it from your own point of view. So, yeah, I've found his way like that really interesting. At Fandual Casino, you get even more ways to play. Dive into new and exciting games and all of your favorite casino classics, like slots, table games and arcade games. Get more on Fandual Casino. Download the app today. Please play responsibly 19 plus and physically

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outcome for them because to be fair sophy was working with them last week like they did lose sophy willingly seemingly but like she was a crucial part of what should have been a majority and she goes home here they technically go from a four three to what you know a three but like what did you like about this episode for them? I think mainly the fact that Rizzo and Savannah are such a tight duo and nobody has tried to split. No one's trying to split. No one tried to split them up and no one is doing anything about it. And even Sof has said, I can see that I'm number three. I am not. I'm not one or two here. I'm three. And she spoke about how she should be trying to do something and again we can talk about her point of view and why I knew that she wasn't going to

when the way she was talking but to me I just think everybody should have been trying to split them up so the fact that they got through this vote together I think is the most important part for both of their games yeah I will I'm on pure defense I mean you have to credit like every time Savannah's vulnerable or protects herself but is vulnerable and doesn't go home every time reserve skates by with the idol like you know instant chizzy consideration just on that you know, and that is true. They didn't get as much done, but then maybe again,

you're harsher on Steven. Steven's immune, and he gains that protection for himself, but like they can't take a shot at Stephen. So they get out another threat and another option. I would have preferred if they could have to go with Christina. I think they were way too quick to turn on Sophie,

even if she was turning on them. But it felt like they were doing that, like, pretty simultaneously. But to be fair, neither of them win immunity, and they still survive. So I think, I mean, that was clearly what Rizzo was very based on. He was like, because he literally said, as long as the three of us get through this,

and if he can keep his idle, he saw that as a win. But he knows that Stephen has something. So I don't know why, like, what's the plan next week? If Stephen has a vote steal, like, they're screwed. And we, they don't even know that Tof could be out the door. Like, I actually don't, like, I think that they're in a worse position than they think. Or I don't know what, like, if Stephen has a vote steal, isn't that in, like, a terrible situation for them? Like, they could split the vote at that point.

Yeah, but so do you think Sof's out the door? I don't. But even if Sof's not out the door, then if Stephen has a vote to which is what they think, then their 3-3 becomes a 4-2 and then they split the vote. If Sof is out the door, they don't know that. We can talk about it from Sof's perspective, but I don't know that I think she's out the door, no. But like, but even without that, I think going to a 3-3 where Stephen just came back from something with something is, I don't know, it's tenuous. I think they're so set on the jury threats. I think they just didn't want to waive to vote on Christina even I think that numerically they needed to if they could have which they

wouldn't try I think all of the other players you could argue that Christina and Stephen are a duo but I don't think they're very strong I think that all of the others are kind of singular and they're a duo and sort of a trio and I think that's incredibly powerful out there and I really can't see anyone knocking the three like I feel like those three are going to be sitting at the end unless something magical happens so yeah that to me is more what is powerful is how close and tight they are yeah it is funny because it's very like in line with your season with taking out the buddies that looking at what was a technical seven person majority at the merge so if he had no one but i think it was kind of like

christina alex and she lost her buddy i think it was stephen mc and he lost his buddy and clearly cation juan and she lost her buddy and now they're like this kind of like group of three and like obviously stephen and and sage are close um yeah like but it was yeah Sajun Jawan, Christina and Alex, and Stephen and MC. So, no, like, the fact that, like, Rizow and Savannah have been, like, the pair of the, um, of the season,

and they're still there and not getting, not taking shots. I mean, you have to, you have to commend that. Um, I just don't think it was a win. I think everyone tied. Have you ever been to a football game where there's a tie and they don't know what to do? And they just like play a call play. This is what this.

this is what this episode was for me. They can't play either theme song. So they just play call play. That's how this episode felt to me. It was like, they shook hands and were like, see you next week when the war will continue. But for this episode, it was an anti-climax.

And if the vote is unanimous, then that shows that it didn't really serve anyone. Because everyone agreed that that was what had to happen. So a unanimous vote at that stage of the game as well. I thought, wow. It's so funny because usually in a unanimous vote, it's like, oh, well, like, you don't even realize, like, half of you have really lost and half of you have really won. But it was just, like, such equilibrium in this vote where it's, like,

you all, you all, like, did the middle option. So, yeah, I don't know, I don't know if it's better for Hina or Uli. I think that's, I think, I think it's probably quite similar. I've really struggled. Yeah, like, they can't, if they can't get out, Stephen, maybe it is a good option, but I still think, I still think Christina's the, you know, the other option. And I think, I think for mehina do slightly win and for the reason of they came in losing so now if i think they're either tied or even in a slightly better position with the vote block i think they come out winning slightly in this over uli because just from where they were they were losing to slightly winning and uli technically came in winning to i think slightly losing so it's minimal but i do think

yeah, I do think that that Uli did kind of slightly lose but I want to give Savannah her flowers like truly like through the exit interviews because I listened to Joanne and Sophie since the last podcast and even yeah just the way they're talking about her

I'm like oh she's like the number one threat the way that they both Sophie Joanne talked about her pure presence at the MC vote I said I didn't know if I felt like Savannah was the reason MC went home and Joanne said like you know heena cracking kind of made it Sophie but her pure presence he's like I'm scared of her

you know like that that really like her vote I think in what like you know the what should have been a three three but she saved her vote but like I think just the presence and how intimidating she is people will vote for that in I think a very like heady jury and I want to give credit to that because I think I've dismissed it at other times I thought it was more like Rizzo's

Riz that took MC out there and it feels like a lot of it was Savannah so I want to like put my hand up that I was giving enough credit and I've seen so much of the credit in the last week for her. So that to me I was like most impressed by for her in this episode. Yeah. I mean, I don't think it was it was definitely not Savannah's strongest episode, this episode. But overall, I think she has been amazing. She is physically powerful and intimidating. She has a presence, as you said. She's going to be incredibly articulate at a final jury. And she has played from all angles. She's been at the

bottom. She's been at the top. She's formed amazing social bonds. She's also shared a lot about her struggles, how she's struggled out there, which I think is really interesting. But I basically think she's unbeatable, even by Rizzo, who I think, you know, I think Rizzo is having the time of his life out there and he's playing an amazing game. But I still think if he sat next to her that, you know, maybe it's the age and the maturity and the life experience. I think she's going to be able to talk over him. Yeah, I agree with you. And I did not think that coming into this episode. So that is a big shift for me. And the way that Sof talks about it is so interesting. Sof is in a very interesting spot. I felt like she gave both Sophie, who she's going to

voting against. Like if Sophie finds out, she could have blown up Sophie, Sof spot. But I think so she gave Sophie and Sage way too much information. She gave them so much information. Like if they feel under pressure, now Sophie's gone, if she had felt under pressure, if Sage ever feels under pressure. Couldn't they, like, completely blow up her spot? And then she doesn't do it. And I don't know if she's looking to do it any time soon. So that was a strange one for me. Like, what is slope's path here? Like, when should she be splitting, if ever? Yeah. I think she should have split now. And I don't think she is. And the way that she explained it, and I think it's evident when you play, yes, people can say, oh, you know, what is she doing? She should be aiming for Rizzo and

Savannah and all this sort of stuff, but you have to get to the end to be able to sit there. And those two, she's, as soon as she started saying these, you know, I trust them implicitly. She said, I'm closer to them than people that I'm, that are my friends at home. Like, they are now more important. He's been to me about our friends. Imagine being her friend and being like me. Yeah. Imagine being the one of the loved one visit.

If you have to turn up to that, be like, these guys. They are saying me in the friend bore. Yeah, I just thought as soon as she said that, I thought she's sticking with them and she's just going to stay with them and see how far she can get. I'm skeptical as to whether or not she's even going to use this advantage that she has. We can get into who has advantages and how they're going to use them. But yeah, I just, I don't think she's going to do it. I think that she feels so much trust and faith with them, which happens when you're out there. And I think she's just going to stay with them to the end, ride that train.

Well, that would be bad. I don't think she should flip now I think this is a little early and I do usually say go early rather than late but my thing for me is like she has a real ace in the hole now we need never talking about this or no at all's when does knowledge of power expire I googled it and I couldn't find anything other than AI answer

she needs to use knowledge is power on Rizzo's Idol it is a game winning move whether that it expires at six then it's happening at six if she can do it to five it could possibly do it at five I think there's such a good pathway there no one knows she has knowledge of power. The fact that she's kept that a secret, but everything has been pretty open

and has had all these leaks is so impressive. There's so much potential there. Whether it is taking out Rizzo and Savannah at six in five and they're like two double shields and getting to fire, whether it's coming for Rizzo if she can and taking it at five if it hasn't expired. And I think even if you steal it, use it at five.

Take out Savannah now, I think, because Savannah's a big threat. And then Rizzo is less of the challenge threat at four. It's leaving it very late. but there's potential there. I mean, it's like the best end game ever. There's just so much ammo. But she needs, she really needs to use it for the jury and like make, and it's tricky. It's not going to be easy.

But like that at its full potential could do so much damage. Like she can't even be thinking of taking Stevens advantage. We know she literally can't take Stevens advantage because he uses it before tribal council. But also, you cannot use knowledge as power for the group. She has to use it to individualize in her group and make. the flip against Rizzo and or Savannah her own and then I think she could beat probably near anyone but will she be able to is a question yeah I too am very confused about when and where everything can be used and I googled it as well and I could only sort of come up with six we

think um I think there's another argument here they have let Rizzo hold on to that idol for so long and he is in her core alliance and I'm almost thinking that she might let this knowledge's power lapse or try and take Stevens because I'm just I'm looking at all the paths here. She doesn't know that she can't use Stevens. So that to her I think must still be an option. And I think as well with the idol, she could be looking at it and thinking, is there any point in me taking this off someone who is in my core alliance? Like she would only be thinking of using that to get someone in her core alliance out. And is she going to be willing to do that?

I mean, she was giving everyone information about flipping on her core alliance in this episode. Like, she must have been really thinking about it because she was talking about it with people she's not technically working with. She gave so much, so much information to them. So she must be genuinely thinking about it. I think she could still be coming for them,

even if she doesn't do it now. Seven is early. You know, if you do it at seven, we just saw what happened to Sophie. You get rid of the people who are loyal to you, and then they can easily, you know, the other side of like, thank you so much, and then they easily cut you. And they would bring her into a five, which was actually good for a split,

but, like, is a pretty loose group. It's certainly not the end game. It's not a final four. I think six and five makes a, six or five, makes a lot more sense to me, depending on when the knowledge of power expires. I think it's something she clearly is at least thinking about. I didn't think she was going to do it here,

even though I get, you know, with Sophie on Savannah, she definitely could have been in that powerful sage spot of trying to get Hina across to do it. But yeah, I mean, I'd love to see her try. I think there's a winning game there. Like, I think there's a real winning part. That's why I'm like, you don't have to do it now because I think that even at six or five,

you can leave it that late. But she has to pull it off. So you don't think that she's going to try and take Stevens advantage? I think she definitely could. She said it in this episode. And I was cringing because I was like, Like, that would be awful.

If she was going to use, like, take, use her knowledge as power for the group. She could have told them about it already. She could have taken Christina Zida. She could have taken MC's Idol to take it to use it on Stevens and advantages we know wouldn't even work. But that's the least of the issues. It's just not the path. She has one way to win the game.

Still Rizzo's Idol in a really impressive way. Take out maybe Rizzo or Savannah or both in that capacity and be sitting there with a really cool Kellear story that unfortunately like no one other than Alex saw, but like we know was impressive. And then she went through and she was part of this underdog narrative. And then she individualizes with the knowledge of power that no one knew about. Like that's a winning game. And it's like a really good winning game.

I'd be like great, you know, like Marianne, wait a till six. And she pulled off a great move. And it was a great win. You know, she positioned herself well and she knew exactly the time to strike. I think that time could still be coming for SOF. Whether she's going to do it, that I don't know. But yeah, I definitely think there's a lot there. Yeah.

And I don't think you have to do it now. I'm just not sure that I'm, I just think there's another path where she doesn't do anything and says, hey, I had this, but I didn't use it because you guys are my allies and I have enough. I don't think that's

a winning game, but I think that that is another consideration that she could go down that path. And I do agree she needs something here because I think people in Survivor have we don't really remember the start. Like, you can do whatever you want at the start of the game. That's what I think. Nobody cares.

no one's watching about what happens there. What everybody's remembering is what happens at the end. So she needs something here because, I mean, she had a hell of a start to the game. So many tribal councils, so starving. It was traumatic to watch. But I think everyone's moved on from that now. It's a very even playing field.

And she's, again, she's made amazing move. She's gotten herself in with Savannah and Rizzo. But there has to be something else, I think, to get her across the line at the end. but I do think that there is another path where she doesn't feel like she needs to use it which is going to be a real shame and I don't think that's a winning game but yeah

if she doesn't use it or tries to use it on Steven's Advantage it would be very unfortunate I mean even even if Stevens Advantage would work like and the thing as well is like if Steven's advantage even if taking it would work but the Stevens Advantage could be of real risk not only to a group but to her but yeah with Steven's Advantage it puts them on the back foot next week

and like they could target Sof as the least likely to have the idol played on her. I think it's worth risking going home by not taking the advantage or taking it as she thinks she can to take Rizzo's idol because she cannot win the game without taking Rizzo's idol. She has an ace in the hole that she has not told anyone about. That is so good. I hope that she doesn't try and use it on Stephen. I hope that.

And like, to be fair, like if she used it on Steven and it worked and they won the vote that way, she would individualize a lot that way. but I still think it was unfortunate hearing that she's kind of behind the eight ball from a jury perspective worse than I thought I think yeah I kind of was like well she did you know she survived Kela like I would think and people really like her but that's just not what the jury is thinking about hearing how high they are in Savannah that's not a good bet where I thought it was at least a possible bet before because again people don't like Savannah and they really like her and without her having any of that I think she needs to individualize more than just winning or thinking to win a vote again. against the um against stephen's advantage which wouldn't even work i really think she just needs to steal the idol letting it lapse would be tragic that would be that would be that would be painful to watch so i think she knows you know she's three of three but it doesn't matter it's a final three well it's a you know final four which is final two i think savanna might take her if she wins a challenge over riso i don't think really it's about getting to the end i think it's about winning at the end

and I think she's three of three of that three. So I would love to see her do something very flashy and cool with this trinket that she found and has been able to hold on to and told no one about. And that can only be against Rizzo, even at risk to herself, against what she thinks Stephen has. Yeah.

I mean, the best part of it is that she's told no one. I think that's amazing that's the way to play it. Yeah. Yeah. I do feel like she might try and take Stevens advantage just because she doesn't know that it's not going to work. So, yeah, but obviously taking Rizzo's idol is going to be the best option.

I just will see if she goes down that path. Just the way that she was speaking this time about how much she likes those two. And you've seen how close she is to Savannah as well. And like I just, I think the emotions for her are coming into play as well. Yeah, I think I just like I have a high bar like, you know, watching like Marianne and Oma who are coming to Australia in just a couple of weeks. Like, I'm going to be hanging out with them. You know, like they,

over was in Marianne's wedding. And he is as close to her as people in her life. He was in her wedding and she did what she needed to do. You know, she used a trinket at six to take out the person running the game. Didn't mean she loved him any less. He respected it. He voted for her to win. Like, that's where you play the game, right? And I think Savannah would respect it. Rizzo would respect it. Anyone would respect it. It'd be a great move.

It would be so cool. So I think that's the bar that I judge it on is like, you have to find people you love that much and be willing to hurt them, unfortunately. And we'll still all go to Australia together, hopefully. So, yeah, we'll see, we'll see how that goes. But, yeah, is there anything else from the episode you want to talk about or should we get to the Chizzy? I think that it was very interesting Sophie's wording again, sorry, the wording about

Sophie being comfortable and arrogant, I think, too, that probably came into play. You know how so Sage kept, she said it twice that she was comfortable and arrogant. So I thought that it was just interesting wording that she was obviously, that's how far off put she was. And I also think it's worth noting as well, Christina's comments about Savannah at tribal council saying that she had, I think the wording was a strong dislike for her. Yeah. So, yeah, if Savannah's in the end and Christina votes for her, I think that's really interesting. Again, that's what makes Survivors

that's an interesting game. If you can strongly dislike someone and then, you know, vote for them to win. It's amazing. So we'll see. Your cast was so strategy-based on the jury and I think that this cast will be the same. It's like it's already, you can see it in the culture of the season.

I thought it was funny. I saw a video from Savannah where she was saying like, we set that all up. Christina and I, you know, like we knew that they thought we were against each other. So that was all an act. It's like, but Christina isn't confessional saying she does. like you though so it's not like fully enact i think strongly dislike might have taken it a bit far but but she there is definitely yeah yeah she was drawing on something very real for that

performance like yeah and even when they were saying savanna was saying oh maybe in another survivor situation where we'd been on the same tribe we could have been besties and jeff was like eh i don't think so so yeah i think it's very evident did they just, even with when Savannah went up and said, well, who are you voting for? And Christina just took such mortal offense to being asked that question right in her face. Like she's just not used to dealing with people that blunt in real life. So, yeah, it was interesting the way that that all played out too. Yeah.

My favorite woman of the episode pretty much came in the last few seconds when Sophie said, oh my God, I'm going to be the other Sophie. It was so meta because she has been the other Sophie. the entire season and the fact that she was like you know that I guess wasn't cemented like it's like an interesting way that like the show has to be like so she's before us in time but we've seen how it plays out because we've seen the edit it's like yeah you are you are the other sophie like it just was having her realize that was so madder and wonderful like it it was almost worth all the annoying sophie stuff to get that moment from her realizing it in the moment on

on TV make as her edit I think the I mean I I think it was, it was a bad at it because she was like one of the most interesting members of Hina, I felt. And she ended up being really important to this, you know, the most interesting parts of the game at these last few votes. I think they didn't know what to do with her because Hina wasn't going to tribal council. She didn't go to tribal council until the merch, right? So, and neither did MC and Christina. And there was only something they could show of people whose dynamics just weren't going to play out. or we're going to play out in like one way, which was basically that heena, she was on the bottom

of Hina. And I just couldn't tell that story, I think, because it wasn't playing out. It's, you know, it's more format than edit. The edit could not cope with it, but it's more the format of, like, I don't want to see people go to tribal council for the first time at the merge. I want to see them play. I want to see what motivates them, but there's only so much story you can tell when they spend two weeks of the game, not a tribal council. So I think it's just that made it tricky. Yeah, I think she should have been allowed to comment on something. It was, it was odd, popping up halfway through the season and all of us being like, who? Like, there's another Sophie.

Like, it, and she's been an interesting character. She must have had some things to say at the start. So it's a shame when characters just get that left out of the story. And I was reading through some of her exit interviews too, where she was just saying that she felt gaslit and felt like she was there too. And it's definitely, there's 24 hours in a day. They can only cover so much. There's all of that as well.

and I guess at the end she did get an interesting and great edit too but yeah it was it was strange yeah I think it was like he was the least interesting tribe they never went to tribal council none of her tribe iterations went to tribal council she's one of two sophies the other one went like almost exclusively to tribal council there's so many S name women like and I know the stuff sounds like trivial but like I think it was hard to differentiate her and she's also like a very matter-effect person I thought it was great like I loved like I thought it was really interesting. But she's not going to like from the get-go have this like sob story that they love to kind of edit that way. So I just think that they, I don't think they knew what to do with her

from an edit perspective. They were like, this is going to be important, but we just don't know how to introduce it. And I think so much of that is the format of the new era. Hina in general, probably again were the least interesting TV tribe, but were underserved. And they've always felt like the extras in the season. And they also, like we never saw them go to tribal council. So they've only been important as it relates to their war with Uli. You know, they've only been important as it started to then work into the larger dynamics because they didn't get to play for so long. It's really, I think it's more formatting than anything. Like I pity the editors actually. Like it's a tough one. They probably could have done

a little better. So I don't pity them that much. But it's tricky. Yeah. I mean, at the end here too, I think she's spoken a lot about the money. You know, oh, you just handed Savannah a million dollars. And she's talked about this million dollars and I'm kind of like, well, what's her motivation here? Why do you want the million dollars? She obviously wants the money for something. So can we hear a bit more about that? Or yeah, I just thought that was a bit missed because I like knowing the people's motivations. Like I've always said when I watch Survivor, I'm not really interested in looking them up outside of the show. Like I just watched the show. So you need to give me the information about why they're there and what's motivating them whilst I'm watching this

you know, hour and a half or however long it is. I agree. She's so matter of fact, like someone like Christina, again, who didn't go to tribal council at the same time as her, but Christina's story has been very emotional, very personal about her mom. Like, she has that. And maybe Sophie does, but we wouldn't know. And maybe it's just more that that's, again, they struggled with that character. They didn't have a lot of time to give to her because of the way the game was structured for her. And then they didn't have like a clear, like personal hook, like they've had for other characters and then kind of struggled. But I agree. We never really knew anything about Sophie.

You know, like, we know a lot about some, a lot of these other people. We know that Stephen works for space. We know that Soph hates her friends. Like, we're learning things all the time. But like, I think with Sophie, like she's, she's almost like she's such a matter of fact, player. They didn't know what to do with her. I had fun with her, though. I think he was a good character. Yeah. I feel like Christina, her motivation is personal growth with the story with her mom and everything. And I feel like she's already gotten, she's won in her own way. She's gotten everything that she wanted to get out of being out there. So for her, like, the prize money and the end potentially isn't as important as it is

for some other characters. So, yeah, I do think that's a misstep when you don't understand why they're there. Like, what are they doing there is what I like to know. Yeah, I agree. But that moment was wonderful, though. The moment was wonderful about her finally. Yeah, the Sophie Sof thing has not been something I've been interested in, but that moment was, it was perfectly meta.

But let's get to the chili. Jacob's Saker Wine scene and M.C. Color. All right. I found this really tough. Do you want to go first or should I go first? I'll see if we match. Yeah. So again, incredibly difficult because everyone did such a similar thing. I really struggled between honestly, mostly Stephen and Savannah of like who should be getting the three points here because it's hard. You know, like Ouli came in with a majority and lost it, but Hina should have gained that majority and technically lost it, but there's so much of that on stage. And they should have even been able to win with a plurality and lost that,

but a lot of that's on stage. And because of that, I will give the benefit of the doubt to give the three points to Stephen. I feel like for Stephen again, you know, he comes in an in the worst spot. He is the target and he protects to a better spot next week. Like he protects himself through this week at the very least. And I think he should have like a winning spot next week. You know, he keeps the gains and keeps an advantage, wins immunity. Very unfortunate not to be flushing those trinkets, but the same can be said for the other side. So it's not perfect. None of this is a big win. But especially with the difficulties of trying to work around Sage, I will give Stephen three points. And then I'll give Savannah two points.

Again, she has the difficulties of trying to work around Sophie, who's split from them. But yeah, they don't get enough done. I think they're coming in in a worse spot. I don't think this was a win for Oolie, which is rare, actually, at the moment. But, you know, Savannah, she's just surviving, just being like the vulnerable target and surviving. And then hearing how much the jury is obsessed with that or could be obsessed with that or will be as potential jurors, she went up in my estimations just from that alone. So I'm going to give two points to Savannah.

I don't give a point to Rizzo, honestly, just for keeping the idol. Like, every week that he can do that, even though, again, I think he was a little bit too forthright on, like, well, I'll work with Stephen, and a lot of that was on the misread of the vote steal. He got his objective. I think it was too low an objective, but he wanted to get his three through to next week, keep his idol, and he did do that. And there's some merit to it.

And the merit is that they survived with the trinket. So very, very tough. Like, I couldn't give it to say, obviously, I thought that was terrible. So if he goes home, Sof, I don't really know where Sof sits with it and I'm low on her jury chances. Christina, also I'd like hate for Christina that she's not even a potential target because I think people are looking at her so lowly from a jury perspective. So it kind of had to be those three. And then I just kind of struggled with like where to fit them in this like bizarre mirror image episode. But what are your points? I had exactly the same. I had three for Stephen and I'm going to

say we have exactly the same because that's just what the episode gave us. I just think, Stephen was the absolute star of the show for this episode. He went out there. He did that amazing run. He felt personally fulfilled. You see that beautiful moment where he lies back in the sand and he says, I feel like I've already won. He was in such a tough position as well going into this episode. And he took all the chances. He heard the words strenuous and still went on that journey. You know, he came back successful. I think he had the right conversations. He used, you know, he won immunity. He used his reward well to speak to Rizzo. I don't think he could have done anything more. He did a really great job. It was just a really good episode,

getting to know him better and hearing from his confessionals and seeing him in all his glory, having a great run there. Second, I gave two points to Savannah. I think if it wasn't going to be Sophie, it was going to be her, which we've seen again, because it just seems like her name keeps coming up again and again and she's doing all the right to get out of the line of fire and having all the right conversations and I think she's a massive jury threat and if somebody doesn't take her up soon she is my winner pick and has been my winner pick since the start and again Rizzo I think did a really good job at the reward challenge of thinking that Sophie would be a good idea as I said I think what he does really well is

convincing people that the person that he wants out is the right person for them as well. So, yeah. I had no different points to what you did, but I think that that was what the episode served us. Yeah, clearly Rizzo and Savannah had spoken about it because they both were like, she's voted correctly every time. She's the only one. Like they had their arguments ready to go. I will say for Savannah, the credit is like, if you can commend everyone defensively for making it through,

but criticize them offensively for letting the others make it through, then for Savannah, it's best because she's the active other target. So if it's on survival that we're crediting, she was the one who's like always most in the line of fire and just getting through trinketless as she's been is impressive. So that is definitely like a credit to her as well. If she can just, if they can just keep surviving. They don't know how it goes next week.

Like I think it's a tricky spot. The Resilent Savannah next week. I thought that was a really strange argument as well. She's been on the right side of the vote. said it several times. I mean, you look at our season. When was Miles on the right side of the phone? Yeah, that Miles is a unicorn. I mean, that's the kind of thing that would appeal to me as a juror, so I do get it. But it's like, yeah, but then you could also say, but she's been like very left out socially. Sophie had had a lot of power. Like Sophie had had, you know, that's why

Sage was upset. Like, Joanne and Sage gave her everything and she completely knifed them. And it was because they'd invested so much in her. So I do get that, and it would be a good thing to speak to. But I think you could also probably poke holes in the game of like she's always, she's never had a home, you know? But maybe that's an impressive thing.

It kind of is how you pitch it, you know? Then she found a home and she made it to the end, that would be impressive. So I kind of get it, but I just thought because people didn't really seem to like Sophie that that would be enough. But I don't think, yeah, this whole jury is not, I need to think differently.

The funny thing is like last season, Joe was the person's like we have to get them out and if we don't get them out they're going to win and he didn't win and Savannah's that person this season and I think it would come true I think she would and I thought Joe would win but I just shows how different every jury is like

that's not what appealed to 48 and I think 49 yeah I mean if you look at the jury I think like yeah I mean MC I think she would you know she doesn't seem to like Savannah but I think she would be impressed like obviously Nate is you know their ally but Juan

I think even if he doesn't like Savannah or, I mean, he seemed sweet, but like she didn't like him or they had bad relationship issues. I think that he would vote, you know, I think that it'll be the least, a very unsocial jury. So I've got to like get that in my head because it's quite different to what I'd been thinking. Look, I was very shocked when Joe didn't win last season and I think he just got annihilated on that last night. And I really wanted him to win too. I thought it would have been an amazing representation of that season.

Yeah, I found that argument about her being on the right side of the votes like, Yeah, who cares? I understand that out there it might mean something, but sometimes it just means you're just going with the wind. If you're leading a vote and it goes wrong, I think that's more impressive than just being like, I just went with everybody, what everyone else was doing.

But I was on the right side of the vote. It's like, okay, that doesn't really do much for me. But, yeah, it's just, as you said, it's having the foresight to come up with these logical reasons to give people so that they think that's the person that they want out. That's the clever play here. Yeah, I think so. I mean, it shows awareness for sure, but I definitely think Rizzo and Savannah. Rizzo says she's a threat, so there must be somewhat true. And I think

probably physically as well, but it was mostly, I think, an argument for argument's sake. It was funny because I met Joe when I was in San Francisco and I was like, Joe, I really thought you were going to win. He was like, me too. I was like, I understand how shocked you were because I was that shocked so I think we've kind of had a similar reaction to it like we had a really good conversation about it because I was like fully in Joe's mindset and I feel like I watched 48 from like Joe's vantage point

and was like him completely wrong on the jury which Carl doesn't let me forget either and Carl is such a fun winner as well but yeah after hearing this with Savannah every week got to get out Savannah who's such a jury threat she better win at that point because otherwise I'm confused about why people say things at all. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I thought the whole 48 was about Joe and Eva. And if Joe had won, then that would have been. And he was just, you know, the exact opposite of toxic masculinity.

He was a beautiful person. It was a beautiful story. It was amazing watching it come to life on screens. So it would have been a good ending if he had to taken it out. And I, yeah, I mean, I was genuinely shocked that he didn't.

But yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's funny from a TV perspective because Joe's going to come back, you know, and like, so was Kyle. So it's like, like, the fact that they're immediately coming back, like, must also work into the edit that that makes it a little bit more difficult. And I also think, um, Jeff has said, like, they asked when a red carpet recently, they're like, who are your favorite players of all time? And he said Joe and Eva. So that probably skews things. But I do that.

I still think to this day, they said Joe was going to win. I just believe people when they tell me things. it's why I wouldn't be good at Survivor. But yeah, it was a unique jury, and I think this jury will be unique in its own way as well, differently, the opposite. But, yeah, Zara, this was so much fun. I'm so glad you've been watching

and that you could come on to talk about it, and we managed to work it out. I know I said last week it was going to be Karin, but we had to flip things around so that everyone, but we will hear from Karin during the season as well. But thank you so much for coming on to talk about the season with me. And hopefully, I know that your pregnancy is happening,

but hopefully I can have some discussions with you about the next Australian Survivor, which I'm calling the Brisbane edition, seeing as we have both Mark and Simon, because I cannot wait. I'm so excited about that. I'm going to be the number one fan girl. No, I'm so sad. I'm so upset about it because they've announced that I'm a celebrity getting out of here starting on 18th of Jan, which means I kind of think Australian Survivor will start

the 16th of February, which was in line with your season. Because it's been earlier before, and now they've shifted it later for this year and obviously next year, and I'm like, oh, that's so inconvenient for my child being born. Like, I don't know how much I'm going to be talking about that season. And then it's so annoying that they brought back the returnees because I'm so invested in, obviously, Mark, Simon, Brooke and Harry. Yeah. And literally, literally, I'm like trying to work out.

I'm like, when is the last time I can podcast before I have a baby? Like, how many weeks can I cram in? Can I get slightly earlier screeners? I literally, I want a podcast a day before I give birth. That's kind of how I look at it. um truly but i'm just so sad that i'm going to it's going to be a very i don't know weird season for me not to be talking about it every episode but anyway that's a me thing but yeah a lot of good survivor coming up it's also 50 will be on at that time so that's going to be a very hectic time

of year for a lot of people but zara tell everyone where they can find you and everything that you have going on um at the moment i'm just instagramming on um my instagram handle is stylish Sheba and I think my, I tweet sometimes, which is Zed Kalianotis, and that's about it. Hope to catch up with some fans. It was fun seeing you tweet about it and getting some questions and things in. So that was, yeah, it was good. I can't wait to discuss the end season with everyone too. Yeah. Yeah. We'll see how it goes. Only two weeks left. Next week, I will have Jacques from Survivor South Africa and then Karin on the finale. So that is what the agenda looks like for the rest of the season. But thank you so much, Zara. You can follow me,

everyone at Shannon Gates. Gus and Around is a little late. It should be out now. We've had no time, Peter and I, to do that. But Gus and Around podcast on YouTube, Apple and Spotify, then this. What else? I did a Wicked podcast. That was a couple of weeks ago.

But if anyone is really late to the Wicked Train on the Tastmakers, Grace and I spoke about Wicked for Good, I think that's it. I think that's all I have. But thank you so much, Zara. Thank you to our team behind the scenes. Thank you to all of you for listening. And I will see you next time. Bye.

Australian Survivor is saved. Survive in New Zealand. Salviour. Survivor. Survivor. Survivor. 21 South African. 12.

Ordinary Australians. Sveteen New Zealand. Swam. One million pounds. Million. Euron. Million. Shkali.

Aideon. Roveley. Tribe Spote. Spote. Shire. Svote. The adventure of a lifetime. The adventure of a lifetime.