RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor Global: Survivor 49 Episode 12 with Jacques Burger

Episode Date: December 12, 2025

Survivor Global: Survivor 49 Episode 12 with Jacques Burger Survivor Global host Shannon Guss speaks to Survivor: South Africa’s Jacques Burger about the penultimate episode of Survivor 49. They discuss their thoughts on this week’s moves, including players’ outside explanations, and look ahead to their predictions for the finale next week. Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

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Hi, hyper space It's shit The adventure of a lifetime The adventure of a lifetime. Hello everyone and welcome to ICHAP's coverage of Survivor 49 for Survivor Global

I'm your host Shannon Gus here to talk about episode 12 the penultimate episode of the season and what can be said what can be said many things actually will be said I'm acting like we're not about the podcast for a couple hours about this

but train wreck would be kind I think I don't even know where to begin but I'll start by introducing my guest he is a regular here on Survivor Global

Survive of South Africa it is Jacques Chuck thank you for being here Hi Shannon thank you so much yeah like you say it's been an interesting

it's been an interesting episode and I feel like I think the last two times I podcast a few because of scheduling it's kind of been after the finale

or we did the finale but I feel like usually I don't know why but we always get these like massive episodes and there's like this big thing happening or this massive play. And I think this was a one of those striples where there was a lot of, you know, I don't believe what I'm seeing.

What just happened down at moments, which is interesting. So, yeah, excited to unpack it. Yeah, I mean, look, in the cold light of day, this is the best episode of the season. I think in the moment, I was so frustrated by what everyone was doing that I wasn't enjoying it to its full potential. And I just kind of had my head in my hands. but having watched it again today and having like, I would say settle those feelings

but I think you'll see through this podcast that is not true. But like coming away from it a bit or not like experiencing it in the moment, I was like this is the best episode of the season and it's a really funny episode. Like when I was watching it again, the disaster I actually found really comical

which I didn't the first time. One of my funniest things is that when Christina goes to vote. So the first time, I thought Sage and flipped, I never would have thought Christina was not voting for soap but was voting for Stephen. So she walks up, I actually have the exact wording. She says, that was epic, good job. Stephen and proceeds to write an S. I shouldn't know when she was writing the S, but I didn't even

clock it because I'm like, obviously I think she's with Stephen. Now that I'm looking at it, I'm like, why did she say it was epic? She knows it's about to be unanimously voted out. How does what she's saying match what she's writing as she goes to write the S of Stephen? Questions abound. We hope to answer some of them, but my God, my God, how did we get here? I'm going to say something that's a bit might be an orthodox Have you ever Have you ever gone and seen a movie

And then you come back I was really early today, that's good Yeah, that's not an analogy, it's more like a story But I mean, I don't know It's not a tribal analogy, that's for sure Sounds like an analogy, yeah Have you ever gone and watched a movie And then come back and like you really enjoyed the movie

And you think like, wow, this was really cool and then if you open your phone and you talk to people and then everybody's spanning the movie and you feel like wow I enjoy it but maybe I shouldn't have

because it wasn't bad the whole receipt I kind of feel about I feel like that about this season I feel like I don't do a lot of social media but I'm enjoying it and I'll tell you why in a second

but I feel like now like doing all the prep for this podcast I feel like a lot of people are super low on this yes we do rescheduling because some of your guests have stopped watching this season. So a lot of people are like super low on it. So it's just interesting for me, from my vantage point, how I actually enjoy it and now I see a lot of people don't.

So it will be interesting for me to kind of be the yin to your yang today to understand why you're slow on it. So not the best way to kick down the door of his podcast, but that's the one to three of the situation at the moment. I mean, it's been, like, it's been a much better post-merge. I think the pre-merge was mired in just a lot of stop-start. I don't think the cast is like super electric. I think there's obviously a spectrum. And like, if I look at it, I was thinking about it. You know, half of this cast went to three tribal councils max.

That's not enough space for me to get into the weeds of someone's gameplay. That's half the car. So I think a lot of the structure. And then, you know, the merge. which is better has been Hina just imploding to the point. And like when I say Hina I mean the side that beat Nate.

Since Nate went and they were the 7 to 3 and they've gone down to 3 to 2 and I think what would be 3 to 1 of the final 4 as like how do we get here? Like you can either enjoy the fact that like it was rolling downhill. It also felt like really predictable in the edit and like the context of the season that they were about to lose.

I think that takes away from it which is no one's fault other than the show. It's not the cast fault. But yeah like how much are you putting on, wow, this is so impressive of Rizzo and Savannah, which you definitely give to? But then how much is it, how did you guys screw up this much? Is that good TV or is that just really frustrating? Like, it was like a ball rolling downhill and you kind of think it can't get worse and it just never stops and I don't think has yet. So for me, it's been better, but that's certainly not amazing. And like a lot of the credit that I'm giving, which I want

to give and I do give to Rizzo and Savannah is also complicated by, you guys, it's really screwed this up, you know, to the other side. So it's not like, it's not, I mean, it is impressive. But you know what I mean? It doesn't like bring the scene up that much to me when it was already starting on such a bad spot. So I think it's, and it has to be said, like, it's the ninth season of some similar things. That in itself, it wasn't great. We want them to change it up to listen to us and they won't. So it's a lot of like general sentiment that I think that the, um, the season gets caught in. Um, none of that. Um, none of that. to me is spectacular but it's it's definitely gotten better like you know to get to a

penultimate episode and say I think it's the best it's been like that's that's not terrible like you know it's it's on the right path it's just I think that path to me is quite low yeah yeah no I think I do I mean that that I agree with you and I think I think that's the problem I mean like you said two things I really do first one the since 41 to 49 it's it's it's it's just been such a blur in my mind of which season is which season I mean if you tell me

who won you know millennials versus JNex like immediately in my mind I can have like this picture okay it was like the old people the new people are like Adam was there and Jay and David

I can like fully like get a three dimensional picture of a season if you ask me like who was the merge boot in 45 I like have to I like do a lot of mental gymnastics just to Taylor Playtot in the dark, but it's Mogadory.

And then it's the tribal, but yeah. Okay. I'm talking about somebody doesn't podcast about this every week. So that's the one thing. I know there's a reason why they got rid of themes and scarcely blah. I get that. But I feel like as a viewer, if you're not super, if you're like a super casual viewer, it's very difficult to understand it. And then the second thing that I really think has heard this new season is,

I know Jeff has this whole thing about you. There should be no place to hide, which is fine. But these small tribes of three, with not getting supplies, with not getting food, blah, blah, blah. How many seasons have we seen a tribe just get decimated when they lose, like, one episode? And the problem with that is not necessarily only that the one tribe loses and they get absolutely destroyed. It's also that as a viewer, you don't get to know the other people from the other two tribes, do if they don't get their screen time until like a third of a season in.

Which is also like something from like a viewing perspective makes it feel like sometimes you're like, hey, who's this person? I just saw them and you're like five episodes into the season. Which should be an Australian staple. I mean, that's the Australia way of doing it. You only realize there's a person in

after five seasons after five episodes. So I think I do agree with you those two points really make it make this season difficult. But I do think it has picked up kind of after like I think off when they went to two tribes from like that point on which points

coincidentally I think it's the first time a new era they were in two tribes I checked those fact check a checker tweeted that I think since then it's gotten better and then it's kind of now it's better on upward trajectory from there on even that for me yeah like the two

tribes were still just kind of like them picking off Hina and Hina not doing anything about it like I think you know from Shannon and it's built but like I think for me I need more. Yeah, coming from like the dregs of like the 40th disaster tribe. Yeah, I definitely need more. Like the 46 like to me, the post merge was electric. Like that was banger after banger and it was so heated. Like it's such a unicorn in the new era that they were so angry. You know, and that was great. There was so much emotion. It was ugly. I remember

saying like this was really fun, but it was so ugly that we can't do like such a toxic season like there's like we can do like one every four years like just for my own mental health but like it was entertaining and that came from like a lower post motion I wouldn't say that this post marches even nearly hit those highs but again I spend the first 10 minutes of every podcast complaining about the new era which is not my intention I do have other things to say about it but they can probably wait for more like miscellaneous stuff at the end of the podcast but to talk about this vote because there was fun stuff in this vote fun and maddening things happening here where to begin who who from the list of

questions um i'm going to talk about sage first because i think sage is shown to be making a lot of this decision like obviously if sage and christina vote differently this could go a very very different way you know it's a five person vote they have a lot of power i come in every week almost without hyperbole and say if you just vote for riso if he plays the idol your target the any way will go home this is the fourth out of fifth week five weeks i've said that it was was true of the decision makers in Joanne and Sage with MC in the MC vote. It was true in the Alex vote. It was true last week in the Sophie vote that I thought that Christina and Stephen and Sage could have voted for Rizzo and if he plays the idol, Sophie, anyway, goes on the bounceback.

And it is true today that if Christina and Sage just vote two votes on Trurizzo, then it is a two to one. And if he plays the idol, Stephen goes home anyway two to one. If he doesn't play the idol, it's a two to one revote and your two went out on the revote. and you can send Rizzo home. People ask why send Rizzo home? I think that's been the major discourse around this episode in the last day since it aired,

which is Rizzo's like a Xander, but they don't think they need to vote him out. Even Steven said in X interviews, like it wasn't playing for the jury as much. And to that I have two points. One, he's not Zander. I don't think.

Zanda was having a tough time kind of against anyone. I think he's a remote finalist. Whereas Rizzo, I don't think is last year. I think that Zavanna is a much bigger jury threat. I think Stephen is a bigger jury threat. But I think Sage thinks, and I agree with her, that Rizzo beats that three of her final three that she says of Sage, Sophie, and Christina. If that's the three she wants to get to, she has to get rid of Rizzo anyway. So while I don't think that his jury chances are

as high as maybe we used to think, I don't think they're as low as people now just like painting him with like the Xanderbrush. I also think it's not about the jury chances. It's about the idol. They're restricted here on the idol. They seem to fall for somehow the lie that the idol, which is always good till five, expires here. Now they're going to go till five. Firstly, they've given up a definite majority. They're relying on Sophie, who may flip at five and may not. She seems to be really between it. She's giving extreme mixed messaging. She tells them at the reward about knowledge as power. She's given so much information that she's going to turn on them. So A, just on a majority. And B, on I think the most concerning thing, if Savannah wins the immunity,

challenge, which is what you'd bet money on, now Rizzo is immune with the idol because you didn't flush it and then who will go home? It will have to be probably Sage. I think Sage is going home next because I think she's restricted herself by not flushing the idol here when if she kept Stephen in, taking out Rizzo, who I do think would beat her in a final in a final tribal council anyway, then yeah, I think that now she's restricted with Rizzo with his idol and Savannah, who will probably both be immune, whereas if Rizzo's idol is, gone or if Rizzo is gone with the idol, then someone would be available. The person who doesn't win immunity, whether it's Stephen or Savannah or Rizzo without the

idol, Savannah wins. To me, there's massive scope. And there's an inability to do it. They talk about it all the time. Like, I'm not going to be gasset on the fact that they clearly do want Rizzo and his idol out of the game. They talk about it, in confessional, and I'm going to take them at their word, and they seem incapable of achieving it, despite the fact that, again, four out of five weeks, they can just put votes on him. And it would happen. That's my main thing. I think that that's been the major talking point.

Do you blame Sage as much as I do on this? Because I think it's indefensible, actually. So I almost want to say, let's park where is our idle conversation just for a second, because I've loved to show that. Let's just focus on Sage. So I'll say this on the idol and reserve, we can unpack it a bit later. I think, I don't say the time has come and gone, but getting rid of your idle,

they should have done that, like you said, four weeks ago, right? You shouldn't be in this position. So now that you're on this position, it is what it is, okay, but the window of opportunity was there. I think they've ran out of runway. There was an opportunity here.

Potentially, I don't disagree. But putting yourself in Sage's shoes, I think, like I pose the question to Haley. I said, if you're sage, like, what's your, with the six people that's left in the game, what's your best chance of winning? Like, who are the two people you have to sit next to to you to win? And I think it's probably Christina and Sophie at this point, based on what I've seen. I mean, I mean, so that means I have to take out Rizzo, who you can, or you take out Stephen. I, for Rizzo, has an idol, and it's a 50-50, Ramos don't play it, Wara, and you

Even if, I mean, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that an idle expires at six. If you think of our things to change, I know every single idol. It is beyond the realm. It is. I'm sorry. It's a regular idol. Oh, okay. Precedent.

It, it, anyway. I'm saying, I mean, you don't know if Jeff changed the rules. I don't, I'm just saying. I'm just saying it now in season 49 after decades. Ask him to see the note. That, that, that's a fishy asked to see the note. You agree with that, but, but anyway. So if you have to, like you say, I'm going to talk about Disney, I don't know.

If you have to put yourself in stage's position and you can assume that Rizzo is immune, then I think going for Stephen getting, because Stephen reminds me a lot about, he reminds me a lot of Tommy who won Island v. idols, where his guy, just, he's not particularly good in challenges. He's not particularly strategic. It's just like, it's just, well, one of those people you think, like, everybody likes him. So if he does get to the end, you can get the wins. That's kind of how I've seen his season.

So I think those type of players are extremely underratedly potent when they get to the end. So I think, and obviously, Stephen has a higher chance of winning out. He can't throw out of Savannah. And Stephen has a higher chance of winning a challenge against, as opposed to somewhere like Rosso. I mean, Sage came second in the previous. me the challenge. She's no sloth for these challenges. So I think, again, I just assume you can't vote for Rizzo. I think Sages wrote to the end, getting out of Steve, getting Stephen out, I don't hate it the way that's.

Yeah. My big thing on that is the assumption that you can't get out Rizzo. That to me is a concern. If it's Sophie versus Stephen and there is no other option, you can't vote out Sophie. I admire the Sage is looking at who she can beat. I think she really has a clear view of that. And I agree with her. I think she's correct. I don't think enough players say, who can I beat? Especially someone like Sage where it's very unfortunate. I don't, I think that this has just been a hard, maybe that and that's the perception of her that she plays into. You can see the way they kind of have to, like, coddle her after the challenge. I don't think there's a lot of people she can beat. I don't even think it was based on her voting out the wrong people. I don't know

that she's been phenomenal this season just as a TV character. She's been incredible. Yeah. And she knows that there's like probably the two people she can maybe beat and even that is a maybe now that sophia screwed this up it's a it's a better maybe but that's her best three and i admire that she's even thinking in that way and that she's thinking correctly about it if it's sophie or stephen even if she loses a majority at five even if she's taking on more restrictions at five she cannot vote out sophie it is a game losing move i completely agree my question is there is there is the third thing that my thing is rizzo tells you it's good at six and you go okay why would anyone lie on survivor why has anyone made up changes in

on Survivor, which people do all the time. You call the bluff. You ask about it. And the best thing is, the calling the bluff is just voting that way. Let him play it on the last time he can play it, quote, unquote. Stephen will go anyway. There is no risk to you. It's the fact that you can't think outside the box,

you take out Rizzo because he's highly restrictive. It's not, people keep making it like a Sophie versus Stephen question, and it's not. Rizzo is in the equation and Rizzo, I think, is damaging. I think that the one thing they might say is, Well, Rizzo is a lot worse at challenges. You maybe want to go to four with Rizzo, where you wouldn't want to go with Stephen and Savannah. So maybe you prioritize Stephen of Rizzo.

But I do think the issue is Rizzo will be immune next without a challenge. Like for me, it's having the idol there. Like in a perfect world, I do think Rizzo plays the idol. Stephen goes. And then Rizzo can be voted for next if Savannah wins or if she does and you get Rizzo through to the final four. Like that is better than Stephen or Savannah. But I'd certainly be taking out a sure immunity in Rizzo. Rizzo's immunity at five, rather than the fear and threats of the immunity threats in

Stephen or Savannah. Well, you can't do Savannah. She'd obviously be perfect. But like someone in Stephen, yeah, just to take out the idol, I think they're taking out any of those three is good because Savannah and Oceania is sit with Sophie and Christina. And I think taking out, yeah, Stephen or Rizzo, but with Rizzo's idol was paramount. And I think not trying for that or falling for an idle bluff, which is so outside the realm of possibility, not pushing it.

The fact that she comes in after and she's like, you can play it at five. Yes, every year, every season, Sage. So that's my, that's what I'm criticizing. I would never want her to take out Sophia. I agree with her on that. Yeah.

Can we talk about Grizzar for a second? Yeah. Let's do that. I think I think that's one of the reasons I really enjoy this season. I'm quite jealous because I think Rizzo is playing. the game that I wanted to play

when I went out to play Survivor where this guy who's like just kicking out, he like loves giving these over-top analogies and having fun with the game instead of not I think I was maybe a bit too serious but I think I think

what Rizzo had that I didn't have in my season is he's he's doing exactly what I wanted to do but with allies that he can trust and that makes it such such fun thing to watch if you're if you're on a position where everybody's against you and you're an idol you can maybe do one or two tricks

but at some point in time you know if there's a majority they're going to split votes in any way and then you have to play your idol to save yourself and you go out but if you have if you have like two or three people that you really trust you can get away with it it's just been insane I've seen a lot of people

comparing it to kind of how Tony played which is like all very high phrase Tony let me ask let me ask the other way around how many times we've seen a person

with an idol coming into a pre-merge that everybody knows about and then make it to final five with the idol and like you say everybody's saying we want to get this person out

I mean this isn't like game changes where end changes was it Troy Zand who had an idol like in the third episode and then kind of

nobody saw him as a threat and then he got to the end anyway it's not like that's not like that was the archetype of that yeah but it's not like that type of situation right this is a situation where the people like they want to get him out they do articulate that he's a threat with the idol and then somehow i mean even in that small tribe when they were when emce went home right he still managed to get out of that unscathed and keep the idol and to be fair we've seen what three people misplay i don't say misplay but he played the idols incorrectly this season you know emcee has played be correctly. Katrina has played it incorrectly. Stephen has played one incorrectly. So Stephen

was, I mean, no, oh, Stephen went home, yeah, and then Alex played one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was Alex, MC, Alex, yeah. It's been four. It's been four. Yeah. Yeah.

So four idols have been played. Well, no, it's been three idols and Stephen had the advantage. Didn't Stephen have? Okay. No. Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay, you're right. Right, Alex is the other one.

So I'm just saying, I'm just saying, so, I mean, Hayden Rosos, like, over-the-top hyperbole ways of speaking, calling himself risk card, but all these other people had similar ammunition. They could have done the same, and they didn't pull it off. So there's no, you can't hate the guy for getting to the end and his over-the-top way of playing. And with all these antics, you know, booking a ticket to do, season 50. I don't know. I like I say, I'm quite

jealous because I think he did something, he did something whether it's going to win the game or not, I don't know, but he did something that I wish I could have done and tried to do. He just pulled it off a lot better than I could have done. So that's why I enjoy kind of watching him run hoops around these people with the limited amount of ammunition. And like I said, I think the

advantage of having Alice you can trust, I think that's a key differentiator between just using the just using the idol and then kind of having people assist you in getting it all the way to final five. Yeah, well, see, I'm biased because the jury don't seem to love the showboating. He's like younger than them and like they don't, they probably seem's cocky. It would work on me because it works on me now. I love this stuff. You know, like I had my head in my hands.

And then when Rizzo didn't play the idol, I was like, are you going to back yourself that your implicit immunity would work and they wouldn't target you, which was what happened. And he does, you know? He knows that there's a chance that maybe it doesn't work, but it's ballsy, and he's sacrificing. So the funny thing about this is I think Uli thought they'd lost. Like whether they knew that there was going to meant to be unanimous vote, like at the point where their, like, idle block doesn't work. They might have thought the other side switched it up on them.

Like he goes through that vote thinking, it might be me and it's probably so. Savannah's vote is blocked. Like they think they've lost, even when they think they've lost, they cannot lose. It's just impossible. And that stuff works on me. I was like, wow, in a sea of just awful gameplay, something like that where he kept the idol, it had me out of my feet. Like, that to me was so exciting.

The stuff works with me. I love the implicit immunity stuff. I've loved it. You did it, you know, you and people on your season didn't necessarily love you doing it, but you extended it out. Ferris is a good example. Haley is a good example. I think it takes guts.

I think it takes read. And I think he's, you know, he's reading his own, the threat that he's posed. He's reading the players around him. him and he's reading like extreme precedent that they will not take a shot and I think that I love that you know I'd vote just for that because that to me is just so so impressive so yeah I mean I'm I really enjoy like that would I would vote that way as a juror because I really enjoy all of that so much no I hear you then I'm glad you're I'm glad you are entertained one thing I will mention I just want to tap into some things that happen in our season

after like the first tribe swap we know what the blue tribe there was an idol there but wasn't played and it was always like when we got to the moz it was always rumors like does the shrub have it does Nicole have it if they give it to Steffi

you know who's kind of doing what with it so everybody knew who was in the game but because there was this NCPA as well she was part of that mixed to an extent so there's three or four potential people who have it somewhere with between them if you don't have a majority, it's very difficult to kind of, and that, I agree with

I'm saying, like, if you go out at 9, go out at 9, but play to win, that's always been my approach. And I kind of critical of the people in my season as well. A lot of times didn't want to make the move because I didn't know where it was. And I think that kind of, just that unknown element between those four people, made a lot of people in our season afraid to target at least. one of them because what if one of them plays it and then that'll often go to the safe route until they get painted into a corner. So it's difficult if you don't have a full majority

and there is an idle in the mix. Now this one is difficult because everybody knew Rizzo had it, but I'm just kind of giving the other, the player's perspective of the other side of the coin. If you're in a scenario like that where there isn't idle floating and you don't have a full majority where you can say, I'm going to put four votes on one and three on another one and then you only have two to come back to us or three, then it's very difficult to play from a minority position against an unknown idol or an idol, which you don't know if they're going to play or not unless you have people who's willing to say, guys, let's do it. I mean, if we go home, we go home. I mean, like, I think that's one of the things Tyson was quite good at saying, if we draw rocks, we do rocks, I don't care, but we're going to make this move. Otherwise, we're going to lose the game anyway. And you need that kind of. And you need that kind of. of mentality and that type of people to break through a strong core alliance with an idol. And we've seen it happen in the past, like I said, just mentioned Tyson. But in this case, I don't know if they were scared and didn't want to do it or didn't have the intel, but that's why sometimes you see it.

The opposite happened where, like you say, it'll take the easy vote every time until they go and they're like, well, you know, where's my people left and then you go home at five or six. Yeah. This season is so unique because it's been Rizzo or a consensus target. MC, Alex, not Joanne, Sophie and Stephen now, that's why you can put votes on Rizzo and still have your target go home on the bounceback. I think the only person actively left out of any of those votes other than the unanimous votes that they were was Christina and then Stephen didn't vote for Alex but was in on the vote. That's how unanimous it's been. There's been so much scope, not to split, but just to put the, you know, equal or more votes

on Rizzo said that the bounce back is there. I think that Rizzo's approach is so refreshing in this season, especially. It's something I've been very frustrated on in how conservative it's been and why people aren't wanting to throw and why people aren't wanting to kind of like take the shot. And I think that's very true of like,

Sage here being like, well, you know, we can't take, we can't take the shot when they actually can. The funny thing is that Sage and Christina I think are really viewed as goats. and that gives them extreme freedom. They're not going to be the targets. They don't have heat on them.

Their names aren't coming up and they actually don't have a lot to lose. They should be taking the most shots and they're playing scared. And I think I saw a clip today of Ethan Zon on Tyson's podcast on The Ringar and I thought, what an amazing point. And he was talking about how, you know,

in the new era, there are so many super fans that just making it on the show feels like the achievement. And then it's like, whatever I do, you know, and it's so journey-based when we've spoken about this. It's journey based on the show. and it's journey based in, like, their actual life journey.

And I see it all the time. Like, I see it now on Twitter. Like, you know, Final Five, Christina's tweeting. And I'm like, for me, it's like, what's the point of getting to Final Five with zero win equity? I'd rather go out of Blazor glory at 8, at 7, you know? So for Rizzo to be like, I don't care. If he's playing to win and not playing four, but I made it today, X, I respect that a lot because I think the other viewpoint is really frustrating me.

When did this become a thing that, you know, you can just, Lus and Goosey tweet about your season throughout. I agree. I don't remember it. I mean, like I say, it might be one of those things where it's kind of like a very slowly shifting baseline. Now, somebody who's not on Twitter that much, I go on Twitter twice a year, and that's the retweet that I'm podcasting with you. But when did this become a thing that, I mean, when we were on the show, like, if you

just open your Twitter account, like the people at Emmett were like, yo, bro, put your phone down. you know um so and i remember earlier seasons like there was a lot there was level quite strict about what you could or couldn't say uh i i i just want to know when did it become this unmonitored from i don't know if it's cbs or the production company or whatever but and i don't want that's why i don't read too much that's why i don't do it because a lot of times you can get a lot of subtext by what people are saying like oh this person really did x y z and you're like, but you haven't played with them.

And then you realize, okay, they're only going to spend some time on the jury, whatever. So I just want to know when this happened because I can't remember people being this active on Twitter about a season. No, no, it's every season. I don't think that CBS wants it. But to be fair, they also, like, put people on 50 and, like, that was the most you could read into anything. So it would be highly hypocritical, I think, at this point for them to be like, but the season

is sacred. And we should talk about this because Sophie tweeted to defend. her move. Let's talk about Sophie's move a little bit. Yeah, let's talk about it. To steal the vote block. I mean, I just, I'm in physical pain. I'm in physical pain. Like, at a point you have to blame the margaritas that she told them about the knowledge is power. It hurt my heart. It just, it was so, it was as painful as advertised when we kind of spoke about last week, about whether she'd do that because Miles came in a few weeks ago and was like,

if Sophie can just get to the point where she steals those idols, like, Oh, that's a really fun move. And that's probably a game-winning move. Like, that is the thing that she needs to be really flashy. Actually, the fact that, like, Sage is so ready to sit X-Sophie above, like, a Stephen or Arrizzo shows how much she needs this move. So when she told them that she had knowledge as power, yeah, I mean, I think that I just was, like, watching myself watch it, being like, why are you, why?

And then, and then she stills the Vodblock. And it's not about the fact that the steal of the vote block didn't work. Like, I don't need her to know the order of operations. I need them all to know that an idol is good to five. But I don't need them to know the order of operations and everything. I just, it's the fact that she didn't know that her game, A, relied on the flashiness of taking Rizzo's big idol. You know, like there's been conversation around it.

I don't care about it. It's been a big deal. You know what I mean? Like, I think especially if they're down on Rizzo, they probably enjoy that. And also it gives her safety through five because now they're voting out Stephen. I mean, even if they were going for her and Rizzo, which they weren't, and she knew that it was a Hina, like it was a unanimous vote with Hina on Stephen.

But even if they're going for her at that point, they changed to Rizzo. We know the precedent. The precedent is they don't vote with the person with idols. They're terrified to do it. So at that point, Rizzo would go home. But we know that Stephen would go home anyway, which is fine. now Rizzo doesn't have an idol you freed up yourself for Rizzo to go next

Stephen goes anyway you have this big move it looks good and you're safe next time where is the downside like how do you have any why did Sophie do this I mean she explained it

we'll talk about the tweets I don't read the tweet but you can you can talk about it yeah no problem I mean I think it's one of those things where and this is something again from our season

I think I mean this has been said like a million times on podcast but you only get an edited version of the show right a lot of people on our season I want to talk about my season show a lot of

a lot of people on our season were saying like afterwards people were like bro like how did you even consider about the funny call like she was such like blah blah blah but

for the four of the four of the ten people voted for or four of the ten voted for it right so from the vantage point in the game it wasn't as it wasn't clear how dominant the game rob was playing and people had better relationship with Nicole

so that's why it happened now similarly from this is very difficult to gauge from the vantage points of the players and I think this is one of the things that Stephen always says like every person is the euro of their own season right so it's very difficult to

objectively while you're playing how you are being perceived by the other players, how you're being perceived by the jury, how you're being perceived by the viewers. So saying on the couch, it's saying, well, it's obviously this person is not doing anything, blah, blah, blah. But when you're in it, you kind of feel like you're doing a lot of things and you're moving behind the forwards and you're still there with five people left. Maybe you've been the brain behind law operations and people haven't noticed it. So I give players more slack about saying,

oh, you cannot beat person X, Y, and Z. I mean, if it's like a super physical threat and like they win everything, it's very clear, I mean, you're the person who takes them out, then it's, I mean, I think that's kind of how Adam won East season just took out the biggest threat, like a

five, four in game and Z, I took out the biggest threat, so by proxy, I'm the last by the biggest threat left in three, the three people in the game. So I am slightly less inclined to judge players harshly if they don't fully understand or fully comprehend the threat level

and the winning, winner equity they have at any point in the game. So that's the only defense I will say again, speaking. Counterpoints to that. Firstly, all of that is a misread and misread should be criticized. There are players like Adam who had extreme skill, even Sage, and that's a skill. That's a skill that I credit. you know if people don't know where they sit with the jury it's a damning damning misstep and it's one of the things to criticize the most most of survivors read that's a bad read if you don't have good

self-perception you don't have good game awareness you can't judge and it's hard to judge a jury they're not there but if you can't judge that correctly you should you should lose for that you know like that that's a core part of the game and it seeps into other parts of the game and if you can't see it i will that's what i'm criticizing that's exactly what i'm criticizing the second part is that um sophie knows sophie said it of all the people actually she at the beginning of this episode said i don't want to sit with savannah and rosso she says both and i need a flashy move to beat them agreed that's that's why it was so painful is because she's not in confessional saying i think i can take him and we'd say well that's not how everyone else feels seemingly that's a

misread and i would criticize that she actually gets that part right and then seemingly is brought back by the emotion of being brought on this one million dollar Mexican feast at the sanctuary. It's not even that good a reward. And it seemed to be in the emotion. What's wrong with tacos as reward? It's not worth a million dollars. That's what, I mean, I love Mexican food. It wasn't a million dollars. Like, I think I'm critical of it because again, we've seen the best players make new when they need to. I will go back to Marianne. She cut Oma. They're very, very close, very close in real life. And that, and she had to make a big move.

and did she sit around? Like, I don't even remember. Did she sit around? I kind of imagine that she was like, should I? I love him. She just did it, you know? And I credit that more and more because I think it's underrated

because so many people really struggle with it. But to talk about what Sophie actually said on Twitter. She said it was a planned unanimous vote that they knew they were all voting for Stephen. Stephen was the next biggest threat after Savannah. If Savannah had not one immunity, she would have stolen the idol. I have a few things on this. Firstly, a lot of this is actually a little difficult to believe. It's not how Rizzo acts in the voting booth.

Obviously, he and Savannah seem to really think they've lost, but I guess they might have thought they'd lost because they might have thought they were being played once the block of a vote doesn't work. So that may be. But also she told Savannah and Rizzo before the immunity challenge. So even that, even if it was like, well, if she lost immunity, I would have stolen the idols.

It's like, but you gave them that leverage that they may have read. so even that is concerning and then she also does say in confessional um she doesn't want to sit next day either of them um so she also says in confessional that but then then she changes in confessional at the reward to be like this solidifies us as a three so i think she was between a lot of different things um some of that's quite hard to believe but i will say as well it's even assuming that's correct that explanation to me makes no sense like now you're stealing an unnecessary vote law in what you know will be unanimous vote it won't even look good well it was it was a four one it would have been a five zero like what does that do if that's what it is and stephen again was

going to go and it wasn't like well the other side are maybe then going to like vote for me and if i take the out of way they'll vote for rizzo if stephen's going to go that actually seems even better based on the threat level we know that stephen has so at that point you're kind of shoring up with your best three which is saging christina you are stealing the idol you are voting out stephen you going to a five where one of Rizzo or definitely Rizzo and maybe also Zavada will be vulnerable, that's the pathway. And then, and then you go, you know, to the three with them and you're safe at five. And you've, and that's looked way better for a jury. So I actually kind of feel like I understand this less if you thought it was going to be unanimous vote. Like,

definitely shore up with Staging Christina. Definitely take out a threat like Stephen and like get the idol for yourself and weaken Rizzo and make him an option next time. Like, what am I missing here? Because you explained it and I'm still what am I missing? Yeah, I'm also slightly confused. I mean,

I Yeah, it's very easy to Yeah. I'm going to say that. But I do agree with you on the point that I always say this. I said it early about Rosa saying I'd rather go out at nine

and lose than not win. So I always say play to win, baby. That's what you go. how to do. So if she's in a position, I mean, didn't Jesse be the same thing, like Snakey's ally with like five people left in the game? Yeah, loved it. So, so I think this was the point. I mean, I know that we want to get our three to the end, but I, like you say, but I think this is like, again, rather make, rather make the move and lose than don't make it get a lose anyway. So I think that was a good opportunity to do it. And like you say, if you take

the idol, you're still safe. You can get to five and get to four. And then you can sit again and say, guys, everybody was lying around Redis Idol. I'm one who took it. I took it out of the game, blah, blah, blah. So I do think there was that. I think the counterpoint is I think Sophie's been in a position where very early on like the tribe got decimated they've got I mean they lost Jake and then she lost another ally in Jeremiah

who I think she wanted to play with but they had to go to a tribal with only the three of them so I think she's been very kind of looking for allies all the time and now like she finally found the safe haven and people who wanted to play with her and I think that kind of that's sometimes difficult to

to bridge that emotional versus logical. Like, you know, these people who threw me a lifeline for so long. I mean, that's what I'm saying. Like, if you take a logic out of your question, you think about it from a human perspective. She might just say, guys, these people save me so many times. I wouldn't have been here without them.

I don't want to, you know, take the idol now. It's just not going to be good to my allies. That might be her argument. And she might say, well, then my way to end is to saying, I played a loyal game with the people I had, my back into the wall at all times. That's my pitch. she wouldn't work on it, I don't know.

But I think she might think that whilst doing that and then stealing an allies idle at this last point in time makes me look like a cutthroat player, which wasn't really my brand of Survivor. Do I really want to do it? Do I want to taint? I never did anything bad, but I got here kind of angle. So that might be a rationale.

I'm hypothesizing now, but I think that might be why she was in that mindset of not wanting to steal a resistor out at this point in time. I mean, I think it's very emotional, which is obviously, again, like a criticism. I think if she's reading, wanting to be a loyal player, I don't think that plays for this jury, which I do think is kind of a weird jury, because they seem very, like, gamey. I think there's a lot on, like, challenge, but they don't seem to be loving what Rizzo's

doing, which is, like, hypergamy. I think there'll be a hard jury to predict, but I don't think that loyalty is a good argument. I just think it's hard because, you know, she kept knowledge of power. secret for so long. Like, that was a whole. Like, she had such a weapon. Like, she had, and Rizzo

would have never expected knowledge of power. And it was there for the taking. I think, I think it would have gone off with the jury. Like, whether they're impressed by, if they're impressed by Rizzo's idols, like, wow, you did that.

And if they're not loving Rizzo's idol, it's like, thank you. You know, like, there's no way that that can kind of go poorly. And like, I have to, again, I have to look at, you know, like a winner like Marianne, who was saved by Omer

through the whole merge. Like, you know, like she relied on that in her positioning. Oma was her guardian angel. He definitely was. And she didn't care, you know, like at the point where it came to the fact that he was going to beat her, she cut it. She cut him and the jury respected it. And I think things like this do feel really cut and dry.

There are complicated decisions on Survivor. And this is just not one of them to me, even with the explanation. If Stephen was a bigger threat, then Rizzo, great. Send him home. It looks like that was happening anyway. and then have an idol and have Rizzo be able to go next time because now what will happen next time is if Savannah wins immunity, Rizzo will be safe, you know, and Sage will probably...

She probably thought if she steals the idol, she has to use it because it's only valid until six. That would be very heenocoded, you know? Like, no, I think she said she knew it was till five. If she believed it was till six, then she's getting outplayed. Either way, then you're, I guess, at least safe here, you know? But, like, I think that you should know, you can have that implicit immunity here that Rizzo has used.

used. And you also know you have the votes. Like she actually actively knew that Stephen was getting voted out. She really didn't need it. Yeah, they have those three votes. Savannah's vote would be blocked. And yeah, they're three. Even if Rizzo was like trying to go for her there, she has a three that are voting out Stephen. And it means that she just can take out Rizzo if Savannah wins immunity, which now she can't.

And I think she really needs Sage in the game. And I think Sage is in a really, really tricky spot at five. So, you know, it's that difference where like, you know, for Rizzo, to go out of his way to keep the idol. He has Savannah as a shield. Like, he's keeping that idol in case Savannah wins immunity. And I agree with that. Like, I think that, and obviously, like, you know, Sophie as well might be with them.

They could have a majority. But he's letting Sophie go to keep the idols to get to fire. Sophie might turn on them at five. I think she would. So he's relying on an idol over his ally in Sophie, who's kind of in between it, to get through the final four. And I agree with that. And it's really, again, without having Savannah as a shield.

She needs to win. and he's still investing on taking that bet of holding the idol now and putting himself at risk. And I think that that's brave and correct. You know, so I think that they all kind of have to be operating under the assumption of what if Savannah wins, what are we going to do?

What are we going to do? If Rizzle has the idol and Savannah wins, that's my, and you know, for Sage as well, she's also relying, Sophie may go back. Sophie's, again, been quite emotional. Even if Savannah doesn't win, and she's allowed that now with Stephen going. but like even if Savannah doesn't win Sophie Savannah and

Rizzo could vote her out so there's a lot of concerns compared to like if Rizzo's gone she has Stephen and then yeah whoever doesn't win of Stephen and Savannah they're basically she and Christina are like swing votes between because Savannah and Stephen would be on opposite sides

of that so yeah there are just I just don't yeah I don't know that a lot of this is defensible like I don't I think that I understand and for them that it probably is. Rizzo isn't as much of a jury threat as we think. Rizzo is not an immunity threat as much as, like, a Stephen.

And I still think the idol makes that way too tricky here. Yeah. A question about Savannah, we haven't spoken about too much. I thought, like up until let's have two episodes to go, I thought like it was going to be Sophie's going to win. I also did, to be honest. I think it was going to be, I was wrapping up for a Sophie win. but now with kind of the misplay of a knowledge is power

I feel like you know you've lost a lot of social capital and it doesn't look good and now I'm thinking maybe Savannah just wins out you know at five and at four just at the end and being like guys I absolutely dominated you guys and yeah I mean she was kind of spearing

like in the beginning the Oolihina War they got out on top and then she was the personal one person I mean again I'm hypophisising but I think

it's very difficult for anybody left in the game to out maneuver Savannah at this point in time so

it'll be interesting to see I don't know if you're having thoughts on her you know towards the end you think

let's say let's say she wins she wins at 5 and she wins at 4 and she says at the end do you think just winning out the challenges

is enough if she sit next to whoever and you think there's somebody who can beat her? No. Definitely with Stephen gone. I think she was ahead anyway. I think that she does need to win out and I think she's highly likely to given that

Stephen and Sophie, the first Sophie, were such big immunity threats. I think people will be impressed by that. Again, I think this jury seems to like that. I think it's been a big thing that makes people a threat. Like it's obviously was a big thing for Sophie and Stephen to go.

Yeah, I think that Savannah has done very well. I thought this was a good episode for her. Obviously, winning both challenges. I think the reward choices were great. You know, keeping Sophie with her, who she might have been reading as a bit of a flight risk or whatever instinctively made her keep Sophie on this long reward and overnight reward, a lot of time with just her and her ally,

and really locking in with that on this, like, emotional reward seemed to really be the right move. And yeah, I think that you can't divorce her physical prowess from how it has been important strategically. Like Rizzo has had the idol and he's not been an option through that. And Savannah, who has been a bigger target and a bigger threat has protected herself and thus her group many times because they've made the mistake of saying, well, Savannah's off the table, I have bigger fish to fry, which they did.

I think she voted for a couple time, right? She has gotten a lot of votes throughout the season. She's not going to say it's been going for a long time. Christina's been trying to get her out a long time, so she has a lot of votes. I mean, there's been a lot of unanimous votes. So even if he's been getting votes, they've been, you know, from people on the way out, there's never been these huge contingents going for her. And then the thing that for me, it's not even about the votes she's getting, I'd have to look at it. But for me, it's about when she wins the challenge and can't be voted for, they go for another

option that benefits her. And I mean, a lot of that might be unforced. errors. But that's very important. You know, even this, I have to give the credit because last week I said, well, you know, Stephen with the vote block should have a 66% chance if it's going to be group be group, but not if Savannah wins immunity, which is, again, always a really good bet. You have to be looking at the final five, looking if she wins immunity. And then she's going to have, you know, I don't know her fire abilities, but then she's going to have the final four. So I do think that she can go with anyone. I think she could comfortably take Rizzo to the end. And even that might look bad for Rizzo. And that would be fine. I think that

everyone needs to turn on her when available, including Rizzo. I don't know if he'll be able to because I think she'll probably be immune. I kind of feel like also Sophie might do it. So the decision might be made for him. But if he was in a swing foot position where Sophie goes back to Savannah and who knows what Sophie will do, yeah, I think Rizzo really needs to turn on Savannah at this final five if he can because he's through, he's immune. He's through to final four. Again, Savannah winning and taking him isn't even that good for him. Like, I think he needs to sit with the fact that he's making fire regardless. So he might as well be making fires to get into a final three that doesn't include Savannah.

And I think that that would be a good bet for him compared to, again, the way people talk about Christina, the move that Sophie just had. And also the way people just seem to not be seeing what Sophie's been doing and seeing her as a bit of a number. And, yeah, the way that people seem to react to Sage as well and not really take her seriously. Like as much as you can discredit how the jury might look at Rizzo and the showboating and not love it, I think it's still above the way that Sophie, Christina and Sage seem to be perceived. So I think he needs to take out Savannah. Whether he can, I doubt it. Whether he again needs to and then it's not happening anyway, probably not.

This is probably pretty hypothetical. But yeah, I mean, I think Savannah's kind of got that on lock. What do you think? No, I agree. I think one of Savannah's saving graces has been that water for closest allies, has this idol because it created like if she doesn't win she wins out like every every second episode and then all times where she doesn't win it's this mirage off the idol and wasn't happening and then some other vote dance on somebody else um where they can't

take a shot so I do agree with you I think I mean they can take the shot they don't yeah yeah they could but they don't yeah I think Rizzo will probably I think he's going to losing firemaking. That's my project, my, by my, ironically going there, it really does. My prophetic insight. I think because they're shown a couple of times like when he was chasing the chicken, it's like,

oh, I have no idea, I'm out of my depth. I've never been outdoorsy, whatever. So I think there's maybe just a little bit of of the foreshadowing that is not as adapted there. And there was this thing where he was going to go fishing. Remember it was an early episode we put on

the thing, like a little like a little like the water fell in down and said yeah this isn't for me you know i'm i'm a nazi um so i think it's just enough for showering so like guys i'm out of my element in this firemaking but i'll see i'm just like so i'm i'm i'm hypothesizing um being prophetic but yeah it's um it will be an interesting finale obviously i think the one person we haven't spoken about is christie I think you just mentioned it briefly and it kind of feels like at this point in time nobody's, we haven't got any confession

or saying Christina's a threat. You know, she had an idol, but they didn't really do any damage with it. She was essentially part of the losing Hina squad who couldn't get the upper hand. So it's unfortunate if you're in this position and you don't have that high winner equity

left, but is there a way for, if she like wins a challenge and makes fire and knocks people out, Do you think there's a way for it to get the wind and tell a compelling story? I don't. I really don't. Obviously, the edit's not there for Christina as well. But yeah, I mean, I think it's tough.

I think that I look, I mean, if you look at like Sage, and like Sage has been again in a tricky jury spot where she could maybe win in the final three now with what Sophie did, what she did, and Christina. And that's really tough. And it's probably been that way since the merge. And like that means that that's just a final. final three, like, she's definitely going to fire with someone that could beat her. And that's Sage, who maybe has a chance against Sophie and Christina. And Christina is, like, a run below that.

I don't see how she even wins a dislike what they always call the all hell breaks lose final three. Like, if it is Sophie, Christina, and Sage, and let's talk it out. I don't think it will be from a narrative standpoint. I don't think it will be from the fact that I think that they'll be the only three vulnerable people at five, likely. So it's not looking good from a game perspective. if it's not looking good, I don't think, from an edit perspective. But in a world where this is, like, the 43 final three,

what do I see? I probably put it in the order maybe of, like, Sophie, Sage, Christina. I think Sophie, you know, there's, you know, has some connections. And I don't think it's a connection-based jury, but, like, obviously, Nate Rizzo and Savannah on the jury. Christina, maybe Alex, maybe Stephen, but he was closer to Sage. Maybe MC. but I feel like all those players care a lot about gameplay

and just the way that they talk about Christina in this episode like her allies are saying she's so sloppy so I don't think that's great I think stage obviously definitely has Juan I think probably Stephen um so that's a large confession saying she's in spaghetti or spaghetti on her face I mean that was

that's brutal that was brutal yeah yeah and that's from an ally and like and Sophie didn't like her so Sophie's I think I mean whether she can get past like Sage's revenge or she sees it as a compliment or she might be for the other Sophie so I think that a lot of that

would really depend on how the end game goes like in a world where Christina just like dominates and is the person who can be credited with Savannah if she wins a challenge to take out Savannah and then wins a challenge and puts herself into fire to take out like you know what I mean like maybe because that's a really difficult final three some fun characters you know like Sophie have you know

and Sage has been amazing but yeah if one of those three wins it would be some of the worst gameplay we've seen from a winner but yeah if that's like very even the way that like gabler in that final three configuration really needed like an end game that they could credit maybe that's Christina I think it would take a lot with skills we have not yet seen um especially because a lot of it would be very physical I think to like really beat Savannah physically um no I would I mean I would always say I'll never give someone zero percent chance winning the game but like

I yeah for sure I mean I'm barely giving Sophie and Sage that and we can talk about percentages but like I don't know how much anyone but Savannah has on percentages to win the game at the moment yeah it's interesting I do agree about I was just asking the question to kind of get

your take it's interesting about I'll tell you this it's been very difficult but I've managed to avoid seeing who was on season 50 from this cast maybe we shouldn't talk about it I know we kind of half mentioned it

but we try not to I know. I avoid it until like three episodes ago. So I like purposefully avoided it. But, but I will say this. And I came back and checked just for this. There's a lot of people saying, I saw some tweets when I was like trawling through the, when it has one of that is Twitter.

A lot of people saying, well, there's two players in this season. There's plot armor that kind of falls for season because you never get the green, blah, blah, blah. But the last time I did, well, the last time. in game changes there were two people from the season who was on the previous season that was Zieg

and Michaela Zeke went out at 9 and Michaela didn't even make the merch so so game changes was a very disparate cost well we know that now

after watching the season but at that point in time with all the information you had you would have thought these two people must have before it was announced, I thought these two people were going to be insane. You know, they were going to absolutely be number one or two, and they were number nine and fourteen. So I'm just saying, I'm just saying, but now, so my point is, the point we're trying

to make, it's in the beginning of the season, like, I purposely avoided it, so I didn't have, I don't know who had brought armor and who didn't, even if you did, it wasn't guarantee that we're going to get this close to be in, but now, seeing, and even just just by the confessional count and the stories you've gotten about them. I really kind of think, like you say, it's probably I've actually seen a lot about Sage, to be honest. We've heard a lot of random things about her life mentioned throughout. So, yeah, and I think of the top five of the top six we have,

and probably Christina's release fleshed out of the others, of the other six, but the other five, yeah, maybe Stephen also. But I mean, for five left in the game, I think we've seen a lot about Sage, both Rosa Sophie and Savannah. Yeah, definitely. I mean, but Hina always felt like the opposition. Like, this was not in the story. It never was. You know, like, Stephen, we got, you know, we got more of. Christina, we haven't had that much of. Sophie came out of nowhere to be so controlling. I think, you know, as many of the issues have been in the edit and possibly in, like, some of the different casting, because Hina are just such a different tribe to Uli.

like all your fireworks and I feel like Heena are just really yeah not not fireworks necessarily so I feel like you know they're more conservative so that's kind of where the edit had to go um so yeah I mean I can talk about like the 50 stuff next week 50 is not as disparate a cast as game changes game changes had Caleb you know he was like a third episode food um many facts yeah so yeah game and I mean I guess I'll talk about it next week but I wasn't as locked in I guess to this kind of stuff

like I was thinking about it like yeah people knew that Malcolm was backed back on Karamo and it would spoil that he didn't win on fans versus favorites but like I wasn't tapped in at the time but we can talk about it next week but yeah what percentages would you give

what are your percentages for next week on like editing gameplay for everyone it's difficult you have to kind of yeah about I mean 80 200 that's difficult part um

I would say, I would say, I would say, I don't know, 60% Savannah, 25% Rizzo, what's it, 60 plus 25, 85, 10% Sophie, no, sorry, we say, Jaze as well, this is difficult, this is difficult. like you say you can't give somebody 0% it's always a 1% chance can you not

you're not is Christina winning the game I mean mathematically mathematically let's say yeah mathematically it's possible

so okay let's let's say I'm going to write this down so I'll do one I'll do the map I'll say 1% Christina

and I'll say uh 9% sage, that gives us 10 on this side of the equation. Okay, now we have 90%, which gives us Savannah, 60, Rosso, 20 and Sophie 10. So that's 60, 70, 80, 900, yeah, that's fine.

Well, what was it? 60 Savannah. 60 Savannah, 20, Rosso, 10, Sophie. Nine, Sage, one, Christina. Yeah. See, my thing was I'm going to split like a percentage between Sage and Sophie mostly. And I guess a little bit, Christina. Like, I don't know how I can give them more than a percent. I may actually give them five.

Five between the three of them, like a three to Sage, honestly. I honestly think Sage is looking better than Sophie now. Three to Sage, one and a half to Sophie. like half to Christina because my thing is like they do need to get the in that three and that seems so unlikely

like Rizzo is definitely immune next how much Rockby do you watch how much of Australia rugby do you watch? None none zero do you want no watch any rugby no

do you know the basics of rugby no do you not know the basics of rugby do you know that's tackling You know that Australia is like at the moment not very good and South Africa is like unstoppable. No. Do you know that?

No. Okay. There was a test match four, two months ago, six weeks ago, eight, eight weeks ago. So Africa played Australia and so Africa was ahead 20 to zero against Australia, which is a lot in rugby. And then Australia won the game. Yeah. At that point in time, if you ask somebody, what's the chances of Australia, a mid-tier rugby team at the moment, beatings from Africa, who's won the World Cup back to back with an insane team,

nobody would have given them more than 0.1% at that point in time. If you, like, polled the whole world who knows anything about rugby, and it should really want. So, yeah, I had that. It is possible. Like, yeah, I gave him a 0% chance to winning the game. He won the game. There we go. It can happen.

It can happen. This isn't, this is, like, this is, this is, and I've seen it in Australian. football you know like you i've seen it i think sydney were 19 points down with like two minutes to go my dad's friend went home and then he had to like be like we won um for sure but we are in like the last few minutes of the game like we've watched the game play out and we've also to be fair the difference is we have the edit it's hard to remove the edit from it let alone anything about survivor 50 but um it's hard because even with gables like jessey wasn't a great challenge competitor you know, like Savannah can get it done.

We don't know about fire, and that's the big question mark. We know that Rizzo will be immune. We have all of these, like, known quantities where it would take Savannah losing the challenge and being voted out. Yeah. And then Rizzo not being able to do the challenge of fire, which may be possible. And then one of the three. Okay, so fine.

So they can split 10% on that happening. And I would give it like five Sage. Because I actually think like at least Sage kind of seems to know. what her pathway should be and I think it's self-aware enough to articulate it well whereas Sophie's story is now so messy in that moment in front of the jury was so bad that I think I'd give like maybe maybe yeah stage five Sophie four Christina one who knows um it's probably a bit overstated but sure and then and then I think maybe I'll give Savannah 75 or yeah 70 and Rizzo, give Rizzo the 20 then.

Or maybe 15 to 20, 75, 15. I don't know, because Rizzo is immune next, which is good. And then he has the double chance, but he's not great at challenges at four. And he needs to get rid of Savannah. It's like he needs to get through there without Savannah. Like, it's a tricky path. Yeah. Yeah.

And it's kind of like, what was when 47? Like Rachel was in the pound seat. She was going to beat anyone. And she, and I think we'd already seen the final. five votes. So that was like one step from, you know, forward, obviously. And she was like just really like good at challenges and stuff. So we just felt like the odds of her losing both rounds of four felt very low. And then I felt like she'd beat anyone. And Savannah has that. But one more challenge to do. But she's been so good at challenges that she's taken out her

biggest challenge competitors. Yeah. Just just the last thing to kind of cement just saying. I think I saw this and Rob Spackwick, but Christina's now holds her. She's the second most under-edited person in the final five, September of 41, just by professional count. So that's quite damning. I think what's going to happen is Savannah's going to win the challenge. Sage will go because Sophie will, there'll be nothing they can do. Rizzo will be immune with the idol.

And then I think Savannah will win the challenge and maybe take, like, Sophie. I actually don't think she'll take Rizzo, but she could. And then I think maybe like Rizzo Christina or like, I think I see Christina kind of getting zero vote. So maybe Christina goes in fire. I could see either way. And then Savannah will win. That's kind of how I see it.

You said we've spoken about everyone, but we didn't actually speak about Stephen. I'd love to talk about Stephen. Did Stephen do anything wrong here? Or was he a victim of his allies, as Miles said many weeks ago. He called it, Stephen's allies, what are you doing? And Stephen suffers for it. Like, is there something Stephen could have done here? Or did Stephen actually do the right thing here?

No, I think, I mean, it's interesting because, like I say Stephen is a very no no no disrespect it's like a bit of a Joe everybody I mean it's rocket scientist so that doesn't make a Joe anybody at all at least he's like should be highly intelligent to be rocket scientist

but in terms of kind of like he wasn't like a super beefy guy he wasn't like super sociable it wasn't like super strategic from what we saw so I think like with that type of person to get to the end you need like really good allies who can draw like these lightning roads beside you that you can just march through and they

catch all the lightning and I think he didn't have that. I think he's a casualty of the the war going south of them. I think yeah I think obviously with this photo block

it's just bizarre that it kind of like you have that with final fire and some of you still lose but I think everybody targeted him because I said he had very high win equity at that point in time there would be Jerry Fred so obviously I think he was maybe just

too well liked ironically but no I think I think he was maybe just I mean how many times people said this and Survivor there's just as much luck

as there is you know skilled to it it's at some point in time it's just the you know things don't fall in your way or your allies get,

you don't get split into a wrong group. Yeah, I think losing, I think, I think losing MC for them early on in the merge

kind of hurt them because I think she could have potentially won one or two challenges and she had the idol which was misplayed, but I think it's gone the other way.

She stayed in, she didn't play her idol, they started winning challenges. Then MC's like a big physical threat and they were her out. Then I think things going different for him. So I think he needed

that one type of, big massive that's a shield but a person just scores chaos in the mix which he didn't have which is unfortunate yeah I mean he was definitely

stifled here by Rizzo not being able to be a target and again they all have to wear that they didn't like flush the idol that they restricted themselves when it was so doable I mean he wasn't there with MC

he wasn't leading it on Alex last week was really the thing but again I kind of put that on sage so it has been really tough um I do think maybe he seemed to fall for the fact that the idol could any be used till now and I'm really harsh on everyone that wasn't questioning that um you'd be aware after this discussion half yeah so maybe if he'd been again more discerning of that and I think he said in his ex-interviews he was like you know I didn't recognize how much people didn't want to sit next to me. He gave

them a target in Sophie, which honestly is a bad target for them, right? Like that he, maybe he should read like, they wouldn't want to do that from a jury perspective. I think it's logical if you're reading logic into that. Maybe he should be going to them and offering Rizzo. You know, again, I'm the one going on the bounce

back. Let's take the shot at Rizzo and see how it goes and maybe he can lead the horse to water, but then again they could have split without him even doing that and they didn't. So I don't know. I don't know. But I think it is, maybe he should have seen, like, if I'm the biggest vulnerable threat left with, I mean, Rizzo seems like a lesser threat, and Savannah is immune, what can I do? Can I offer them a juicier target than Sophie, even in the fear of Rizzo?

But he thought Rizzo was immune. So he was being played a little bit. But I still think that this is all pretty minor. I really don't think he, I can't be nearly as angry at the person who went home as half of the rest of it. them who did not. So we can probably talk about that in the chizzy. I wanted to talk about one other thing before we got to the chizzy. I don't know if you saw this, but I saw it an interview that Mike put up, Mike Bloom on Parade, that Jeff was talking about the loved ones letters. I love your take as a player because Jeff said, he's like, you know, some players have said that the letters

are even more powerful than a loved one's visit. I like listen I saw I saw I saw like a tweet somebody saying yeah love letters love letters love letters love ones letters blah blah blah do you think I mean okay let's let's how many seasons of Survivor have been I mean like what 49 like Australia or US Survivor seasons alone if you have that point in time and they and Jeff talks about love one letters and then people started crying and all that and they get like super emotional do you think like all those people are being paid? to be emotional. So I think I'm quite down on people who haven't been there. I don't understand what it's like to live in such shitty conditions.

I mean, it was raining all that stuff for such a long time. And then you have it. I mean, it's very easy now. You can just go on WhatsApp and talk to somebody to the other side of the world. But if you're there,

that's really insane. And if you remember our season, like I think there was a chance you could choose between, it was one challenge you could choose like a loved one's letter or food or go to the island of secrets. And I think like the majority of people chose a letter

like even more than food. All these things like all these players aren't wrong. But he's not saying that. He's saying that it's more powerful then loved ones coming there. No, no. That I think the loved ones coming there is obviously more powerful. Yeah, well that's what I'm saying.

Yeah. So I'm sorry. It's two things. The first time I'm going on a rant on people who say, Oh, it doesn't add a lot. Why do you want your life on visit, blah, blah, blah. I mean, go and do it. You know, go walk out in the park and get a phone on your foot. And then you're like, oh, shit, I need to pay my mom. Come and help me.

So that's the first bit. That is more powerful than seeing your people. I would not, I would obviously say that having a person that is obviously a lot bigger deal. They haven't done it once in the new era. I don't know why. It's good COVID originally. and then yeah I think it's just the expense right

well that's very upsetting to be honest like the fact that it's the expense is so upsetting because it's like it's a couple I mean I'm not like the accountant but like it's a few flights to Fiji if we can't like you know invest in that that's upsetting and the most upsetting thing about it is that the international versions always very committed to the loved ones version yeah and to the loved ones visit um you they and we're waiting lower budget internationally. Like for me, it's like also, I think the letters are great. Like for me, I know, like I, you know, I would cry after a couple of days for a letter.

Like I, I know words of affirmation person. So like, I would love letters. I just think, firstly, you can do both. Like, do loved ones at like the split tribal, do the letters and then have loved ones at six. But for Jeff to say that it's more powerful, it's definitely a budget thing that he's saying. He's not fooling anyone. Of course, loved ones actually coming.

Like, I mean, it's nice. to see the letters, but off the top of my head, I have no memorable letter moment, whereas I have, you know, a dozen memorable loved ones moments. Like, that's an institution. That was like, you know, the dead grandma was the loved one's visit. So I think that's crazy. But the most, you know, the other one visit that's, like, the most prominent in my mind, in my mind? Do you remember Nora? Like, her sister came, she just, like, ran out of, like, she just, like, slammed, like, she ran full speed and, like, knocked her sister, like, almost not gone to. That was so bizarre. She was like, like, a,

Boom. Boom. I was really, I mean, like, well, actually, the letter that probably stands out to me is Josh in brains in Blood versus Ward in Australia being told that his wife was pregnant after a lot of infertility. That's actually memorable. But, like, other than that, I mean, I remember, like, Jeremy, like, finding out the gender of his baby in Cambodia. That's, like, I remember watching that as, like, a preview at work and crying.

like the loved ones is like an institution of the show like I wish that Jeff was as you know as romantic about the history of the show as I am I'm like that when I watch old school seasons I look forward to that episode every season I remember when Adam Adam had this still of a still of a still advantage and then Adam told

of course and then he told Jay like he's not going to use it and then Jay was like crying he's like Adam that could use it but he didn't use it so he's taking him you know that was like so intense yeah I mean there's so, but the thing that worries me the most about what Jeff said is he was like, players say that it's as

powerful. I'm like, firstly, no, they don't. Secondly, they don't even know what they would be comparing that to you. Even if a player did say that, they didn't have a loved one's visit. They're a new era player. If you didn't have both, you have to call the people who've had both and be like, okay, shoot, get the sample size of people who've experienced both experiences. That's the only way you can you can get real solacons.

Thirdly, you can do both. And the most important thing, fourthly, is that Jeff said, the player say it's more powerful. And I said, who cares what the players say? Like, it's not a show being made for 18 people. And I think Jeff has said, we're making it for the players. It is not an amusement park they've won tickets to like Willy Wonka. It is a show for viewers. And I'm a viewer. And I think most viewers would say the loved ones visit is a lot more memorable than the letters. Why do you care what the players are saying, Jeff? Why are you even citing that as a reason the production would

make a decision. It's clearly economic, which is again sad, because it's like a family trip to Fiji. But also, it's, yeah, why is it? Why is it about what the players think? It's, it's, I agree with you so much. Yeah. I don't want to hash it. I don't want to unhash this now and probably not the right person to say this, but there were decisions made if they put the ball in the players' hands and said, do you think we should still be doing X, Y, and Z at this point in time. And they've given that choice to a small number of people on the island. I think that was so bad from production. That should either have said in the current climate of the world, we think these things are no wrong or appropriate, we're going to be more, you know, whatever

inclusive. So we're doing X, Y, Z. We're telling you now. Or we should have said, we are going to pull all 500 people who've played Survivor to get the inputs. We're going to phone them up. We'll send them a Google form to give us their feedback. on how I experienced it, but asking a small handful of people to make changes to staples that have been in the game for a long time without consulting anybody else, that

was just so bizarre for me. I can even imagine they did it. That is just that was like one of my big lows of the new areas as well. Because the thing is that the stuff shouldn't be on the players. The Australian Survivor will do the opposite. Like Australian Survivor will be like

two. Lack of caring about it. the players experience to the point where like again like to the point of like emotional negligence like we don't care if you're not entertaining your experience matter is so little that you're not getting confessional and then people like really mentally struggle with that and probably isn't as good for the show I mean I guess if they're not entertaining like it's basically like own being on the show like you are here as cast members we're not here for you to like have your experience told on the show and I think that in some ways that makes the show worse because it like you know blows out edits and like you can read into things but in some ways obviously it makes it

better because if people aren't delivering then they don't get shown we don't get as much boring content and people know to be entertaining um i don't think that it should come at the expense of players like again Australian survival will be like crazy twist in the first episode you spend a day and a half here fill in brains be brawn and you're out like that's a terrible experience for anyone and again it is like I think pretty emotionally taxing imagine waiting a year through COVID to play and then you have a massive twist it wasn't even good TV but you know what I mean but they were like

we don't care about you we're not here to please you we are here to make a TV show and while I think they probably go too far on it with things like that it is to be fair the right mentality over will the players say this it's like you've lost sight of why people are getting letters Jeff

like they're not getting letters so that their experience is better like we're not giving letters to people so that they have such a nice time we're letters to people so that they tell a good story so that we emotionally connect with them as viewers on the TV show that we are making. This is a filmed product. Like for me, and I know I'm like going on too much about this, it's like one thing he said on the On Fire podcast, but it's such a concerning line of thought that he gives any credence to what the players think when he's making

production decisions. It's a television show. Just I don't. On that note, on that note, you know that this is the first season of a new era where there hasn't been a shot in the dark played. You must be ecstatic about that. No, because I was like, you guys should be playing shots in the dark. They're all unanimous decisions. How on earth? Anyway, a lot of wasted votes in this

season in like these massive votes where people could probably afford to play shot on the dark and could definitely afford to throw some votes at Rizzo. So from a gameplay perspective, I was not super into that. But yeah, I mean, again, what is shot in the dark? Is it because then people won't blindside and that's good,

okay? I mean, people will definitely have to blindside, or is it about we just want you to have another chance we just want you to have a good time but pretty much just a resort here and we're just trying to have you make you sure you give us five stars on the way out like why are they are they worried about their reviews from the players like they're on vacation like what are we doing what is what is happening but the other thing I want to ask you um but you just want a block about mechanics that you have to add into producer for it didn't play it's stupid like it's yeah like obviously that was weird but like it's also like the least like I didn't even think about it like it's

really the least of I mean I feel like most most advantages you have to I have interact with Jeff or interact with a thing like an island of the idle head or a sanctuary place you have to be or a journey you have to you have to interact with something and and pull a lever or like put your coin into a specific you there's always like this way you have to at least make this weird decision thing yeah I just felt and you know I just felt it was such a strange thing

like I'm now declaring officiant it's like it wasn't really like that's my decision final answer I was like if this was an Australian survivor this would assure you were confessional and that's not always a given you know like so you've won yourself a confessional what is happening I'm following

on my chair yeah it was weird I mean I don't really an issue like people are like well how silly that sophie has to know i'm like there's always an order of operations i mean what happens what happens what happens let's say let's say it's a stealer vote you have to play at tribal and then chef says it's time to vote yeah and then rizzo's like wait jeff i want to say something and the other one says i want to say something who who has presidents to go first is it is the idle play because you put your hand up first or is it remember there was that

when it's at war with Jeremy and somebody's like wait you go no no you go it was Sarah Jeremy I think yeah and I know you go so I'm just curious It was safe without power and I think maybe a vote still

Yeah like who goes first If you have the knowledge of power And the idol is like the person Who jumps up first Well the idol no Do you run into tribal Do you run into tribal A minute to race

Who ever gets to get together The idol will always be stolen because the idols after the votes of cast. See, that type, that's clean to me. You can play before the votes of cast. I've done it. It's totally legit. Yeah, you're not meant to do that. And

you can. I will always, I will always like say that you shouldn't, that shouldn't have been allowed. But yeah, I mean, I think it should be, obviously the idols always after the votes of cast as as it's written. And then knowledge of powers before the votes. The interesting one for me is the first deal. But that's at the same time as knowledge is power. Wait.

if you know the other guy has an idol as a knowledge is power and you have an idol and you have nobody else to give it to you have to play it and you want to play it like the moment you walk in but the other guy wants to feel like the moment he walks in no who goes should you be able to play before the vote the idol is played after the votes are cast but if you know the other guys okay shannon you're on the island it doesn't matter it shouldn't be allowed it shouldn't be allowed it's played after the votes of cars that is the time that the idol is played. If you're on the island and Mike Blue and Rob and Puyah

and me are coming for you, final five, you have an idol, you walk in. Yes, you are. We are very, we're broving out so much. And Jonathan is there. Well, he's not there, but let's say he's there. And you know, your only way to stay in the game is if you get to John, if you get your idol, Jonathan before Puyah raised up,

his hand and says, Jonathan, yo, I have something I want to do. Should you be able to run the Jonathan, give me your idol? No, no. The idol is played after the votes are cast. So you all say, Jonathan, I'm going to follow my sword because the rules say I'm, Puyah's going to steal my idol, there's nothing I can do. You can say, I'd like to play this. And the host should say, you cannot.

It can only be played after the votes are cast. This is why there's an order of operation. That's why that's important. It's tricky for things that are played in the same zone, things like an idol, two idols at the same time we saw this with like we could poverty and a UV world things with the vote steal and knowledge is power which are all in the same thing otherwise yes that's why you can you can't you can't you can't say hey it's the beginning of the day jeff wherever you are i'm playing my idol like no you play it at dribble after the votes a cost otherwise you like it's a free-for-all

that's why it's important to have an order of operations and that makes it clean okay you have this thing its power might be that it goes before an idol and thus it can be solid that makes knowledge of power more powerful. So, yes, that's in the game to time. I'm not as a great. I'm just asking the question. I want to get your thoughts. I think that you should only be able to play things when it says to play things on the parchment because words have meaning.

Okay. I don't know what happens if it's like, I want to steal the vote. Well, I want to steal the vote. At that point, it's annoying because it really is just like who buzzed in first, which is, yeah. Yeah. You should, you should, season 50, 51, you should be practicing sprints. Not endurance.

Oh, that's silly. Whoever gets to Jeff slam it down on that. Well, yeah, I think that's really dumb. Like, yeah, I think that when the, I didn't have an issue in this because it was, I mean, the producer thing kind of looked dumb, but whatever. Like, the order of operations were set. And if that's what they want to make a vote block more powerful, like, you know, that was the choice that they made. It's not a very powerful advantage anyway. So honestly, let them have it.

I mean, it splits a deadlock on even. So it should be meth. Yeah. Things are very rarely so deadlocked as we saw today. And the one time that actually should have been true, it wasn't. Like it splits a deadlock and that's a very specific situation. So once again, these like extra vote, vote block, minor things are tough to be the numerical difference. And here it, obviously, you went home.

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Learn more at canadaswunderland.com. What do you have? What are your chisie points? Am I going first? Yeah, sure. Okay. I'll give them third second first. So third place, I will give one chisie point to Sage.

I think I know. we've discussed it in the length, but I think if you see her way to the end, to sit next to Christina and Sophie, she did get out of thread for herding out Stephen. And also, she was the only one who matched Savannah in her challenge, right? She actually did quite well. So, for, I mean, those endurance challenges are really tough. To stand there until she almost collapsed. I think that's, that's, that's good. So I'll give her one. I will give two to Savannah for winning out the challenge again. I think she did a good job. She's been on unstoppable. And then I will give three to Rizzo. I mean, just kind of almost retrospectively, coming

10 people in the game or whatever, everybody knowing about the idol, selling this live and it can be better at six. I mean, still having it with five people left the game now forget about the showmanship and how it's perceived that is that is a very impressive feat regardless of anything else um so i will give three to rizzo so that's my uh my 31 yeah i'm gonna give three to savannah and two to rizzo i think they both did really good things in this episode i love rizzo's lie i love how he retained the idol i found that so exciting i also think like we also see him initially coming to sage and being like should we do stephen and while again stage will have her reasons that I disagree with.

We talk about this. It's like, is he leading her? It's like, well, if it's not in her best interest, is she just leading herself badly? Like, quite probably. But, like, Rizu is having that conversation and, like, anything he's doing to convince her is a credit because she should not be convinced. So I love that from Rizzo, but I have to give

the three points to Savannah because I think she also do great stuff here. She won two challenges. She made the right reward picks. And she is a jury favorite. Like, to have her so much as the favorite to win, to get out a major physical competitor when that's been her domain, but we're in the best physical spot to win. And yeah, the way that the jury seemed to look at Rizzo, I mean, to be fair, when you look

at jury reactions, they can show anything. Australian Survivor does that a lot. But that's clearly the impression we're meant to get. And I think it's accurate. You know, it's Stephen saying in exits more than anything that the jury isn't loving that as much. So Rizzo has to be penalized for that in a way that Savannah is not. Savannah has really got a real pathway that I think she can capitalize on with skills that we have seen to extremes. And then one point, we got a lot of questions from the listeners, how are you going to give chizzy points

who will get the third chizzy point? Yeah, it's going to Stephen. Memorial chizzy point to Stephen, he just didn't do much wrong. Like the worst you can say is that he maybe should have realized his allies didn't want to sit with him and offered Rizzo as a shot

and he should have been more wary of Rizzo's lie and even then probably not. Stephen doesn't have that much to wear and how poorly this has gone. it's gone so badly but like is it on him no you know i can't give it to say because i think there's a way better pathway there i think she's put herself in an extremely bad spot for five i like that she knows her three but i don't think she's given herself the best pathway to get to that three and i think she clearly really fell for rizzo's lie um she was annoyed about it how on earth

did you think anyway um so yeah so there was just a way better pathway christina I think is not in a good spot at all. I don't know how this happens for her either. She's the one who's meant to be keeping Sage on side. What happened? And Sophie, I mean, disaster after disaster. It's just, it's just a, you know, she had a winning move and she completely destroyed it. She had it in the palm of her hand.

It's more frustrating that she had the capacity and then went in a different direction. For something that she's claiming is like, oh, but then I knew that I was going to steal an unnecessary like vote block because we knew. was unanimous. Like knowing that they had the votes on Steven makes it even worse somehow. Like it's somehow, it's even worse. It shouldn't

even have to be worried. It's not even like, well, I was worried. I'd have to play the idol. What if they voted for me instead of Rizzo? Like, even then, obviously, don't play it. But also, you knew that Stephen had the votes. It was like a, it was a better move. Stealing Rizzo's idle and taking

out Stephen is like is actually the perfect move. man that would have been great that would have been so good anyway so none of them can get points obviously so Stephen's getting a point painful

what's the score now I don't know it's such a good question I've used to have the the charts but I'll look at it I'll try to find it I'll try to do the math because okay I what is it

Spider fact checker um is this no I didn't share it actually don't have the charts my bad I think Rizzo was winning What's not we got five Reson and Savannah both got five

So if he was able to win Savannah Savannah I think will be second now I think that's where we're at Sorry I didn't say I actually don't have the cheesy charts From last week But I will share this week on

social media on all my social media so that we see where we're at but yeah Rizzo would be I don't know how far ahead Rizzo is from this is terrible podcasting from Savannah but Rizzo would be winning yeah I just I just love what Rousseau does so I don't have to give a point

it just it's really works for me like and I'm aware that the jury are not loving it and it's like that's exactly what I really enjoy I think we had I love things of community stuff remember some of 46 where it was like this whole string of like three or four people voted out in a row with idols in their pockets.

It was just, I mean, the idols had like no impact in the game. This isn't the opposite. It's like, well, you know, I have it. Try and get it. It's like, like I say, similar to Tony, where it's like, well, you guys can come. So good luck. So that's interesting. It's not even the opposite because Hina and Alex were clearly very led by 46.

like they had just seen 46 and they played the idols very quickly but Rizzo's the one who's like I'm actually okay and I respect it I really do and I don't think it's enough to just say he's not a jury threat because I think it's so much bigger than that and I don't think he's Xander I think that he's not what I thought he was

from a jury perspective but that doesn't make him drawing dead like I yeah I think that Sage will wish that idol was gone this time next week at final five that's my prediction. But Jack, thank you so much. I have a couple of last question. Yeah. I mean, obviously you,

just two questions. One is, your preseason draft didn't know so well for you. Yeah. It's not your best to work. No. Well, it's not my work. I only just lost my second player.

Last nine. Yeah. And you gave Christina, what, half a percent? Well, it doesn't matter. because I got grenaded, so I'm out now. Yeah, I'm finally out. Yeah, it's fine. It's fine.

I, you know, I don't draft well while pregnant. When I'm pregnant, I drop as a grenade twice. Who's been the best in the draft? I don't particularly know. Who's kind of? I think Puyo's won twice and has the best average draft placement. So I think he's the one you would statistically give a two now. Right.

Okay. And the second question is you mentioned our pregnancy. So you said, I think you mentioned you're not going to cover 50 right so yeah probably not how long a time until you and i are doing this again probably a long time i'd like to check in on 50 but i just don't know how it'll go i'd love to like drop in on 50 um here and there i hope they are they really going to do this format save some of these like old schoolers but um i would like to drop in on 50 but yeah and i'm definitely not like weekly covering 50 um even though having a baby

pretty much. There's going to be 13 episodes again. I think so. Do we know? Yeah, maybe, yeah. That's so many players. It's going to be hectic. Yeah, I mean, we're like in the Australian realm of, of, like, endurance survivor.

It should be. Yeah, but I don't know how you can dance into 13 episodes. Yeah, I think they're thinking like maybe double boots or I don't know. I mean, for me, yeah, I think I'll be able to, I mean, I'll watch it. Everyone has always said to me that you never watch more TV than when you have a newborn. heard that from so many people, but I think podcasting will be tough. It's about getting that, like, it's about getting the time away, and it's also about my brain being functional. Is it functional now? Like, your mileage may vary. People will debate it. But I don't want to, like,

come on a podcast and just be, and, you know, have nothing to give. Yeah. And my biggest concern is Australian survivor, because also the baby will be born during that. Like, 50 is like, you know, I appreciate all the people that are here very much, but there's so many U.S. Survivor podcast, but I really do appreciate the people that made time for us and see something in global, but Australian Survivor, that's my beat, you know, so the baby was very inconveniently timed, but that's not how babies work. You can't time it. So, yeah, it's sad.

Next episode is the last year Survivor episode I'll cover for, I don't know how long. It better be really good. Tune at 51, they're going to be like going out in a new, new era or something. I think that they're going to change it up. Oh, my God. If they don't, then I guess I'd have less foam-a-with-the-baby. So, yeah, I mean, they have to. It's just, it's been too long.

It's not been good. I can't do it. I can't, and I can't complain about it anymore. I don't want to hear myself complain about it anymore. That's the biggest thing. This can't be what Survivor is forever because it's so random. Like, it's such a random thing that they've done for nine. seasons. So what's like the biggest thing you want to change? If you can matter

one change, what do you want to change for? A big four list. Um, two tribes would be nice. Do you start on tribes? Yeah, that would change everything. I really don't like the three tribes. Yeah. Um, I think that makes it so finicky, so early. And they don't go to tribal council. That's my thing is that I can't get invested when they're not voting. So that's a big one. I mean, to say that I'd want. I mean, to say that I'd want, that over fire, like losing fire, like that, obviously, but that's just like, that's, it does

change the whole end game, you know, but I still think I'd rather open it up early and just see where we go. What would you change? What would be your number one? I'd bring back themes. Yeah. I know, I know, I know, I know, I know why they did it because they say, I mean, I truly understand the point where they say like, they've got like 15 or 16 really good people to make like brains bronze beauty and then they need like one beautiful person and one brawny person then I go to like recasting

or casting like suboptimal players to fill in the shoe on in specific tribe yeah I think so but I just felt like themes like sometimes we've traded a very good like us versus them concept which was great which I like

and sometimes I think like it just made you better understand who these players were. And sometimes the themes are even bullshit. I mean, like an Australian survivor brains versus bronze.

Like the brainy team were like just as big as the bronze. I'm like these guys are still huge. Yeah. Well, that's Australia. Yeah.

And like white color, blue collar, white collar, blue collar. What the hell is an oak color? Like sometimes I think it's even so arbitrary but it's still fun that you have these different type of people

because sometimes I feel like there's this psychological twist to how they will play the game or all the people play different than the younger people. How will they vibe? I think it's just like it just like, added another cool quirk to the game which made the gameplay

different and made you kind of view the season different. I mean imagine today the brilliant like conservatives versus liberals. I mean, just imagine. That'd go well. That'd go really well. Imagine the game. You don't be a good final season of the show.

Just imagine the chaos of doing something like that. I mean, it'll be so insane. Or like urban people versus country people. I mean, it's just, it's, it's not even difficult. You can figure out anything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just so many cool things you can do. Um, like I, I understand from a casting perspective and then you have to like design the little theme about it and maybe challenges, but I miss it. I really miss it. Um, the monotony of just numbers has been

difficult for me. Yeah. For me, I just want to like pull myself out of, if you don't have three tribes, like you're less likely to get the disaster tribes, especially the way that they do it and you don't get to get. There's so many things that come off that. Like, you don't get to know the players quickly enough. And it's such a broken system that they're currently doing. And the whole season can be off-kilter early. Like, yeah. I think that, like, a lot of the novelty of the early seasons of three tribes, like, even some of the fun stuff we had in like 42 or 45 like that's worn off and that's the best of it yeah and then the disaster tribes are like so far past it yeah yeah even like the best seasons like 46 suffer

for that you know so yeah it's just like an own and I also think like there's a lot of people who you would lose in a three person tribe early on because like you have to like keep the tribe strong or whatever. I mean, like, some Africa, like, something like something to need. Like, if you, if she wasn't a tribe of six, somebody lose out, she'd be the next boot. But in a tribe of like 10 people, you can just make enough allies. I mean, you have these insane, like, characters, which would have been lost earlier. I mean, how many, how many big strong guys who want to see in the merge anyway?

I mean, we've seen that so many times, but we don't see these quirky people get to the merge because they get voted out first, because especially with six-person tribe, you really have to have to keep the strong. like we lose some of those like non-optimal physical players which make for good TV as well. Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, I'm going to be annoyed if I'm still complaining about this in a year from now. So that's what it is. So let's see what they come up with next. Hopefully something that has loved ones. Even though the letters are so compelling.

This could have been a letter. We could have just written our letter, Jacques. Yeah. Why do we have to meet in person? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, if people would prefer that. was it was it entertaining shudden that's question um this

yeah yeah i mean yeah exactly that wasn't that like a thing like like like mike white asked j famously like is it is it fun is it fun yeah yeah yeah was this fun that's the question i've really lost side of that question but anyway shock thank you for coming on to the podcast do you have anything you want to tell the people about you're going to do it twice a year to be now to be limited by my baby yeah it's going to be it's going to be less now. I spoke about Strava last. You can find me. A couple of people that actually follow me on Strava from the podcast, which is insane. Now I see people running in, you know, Boston and Vancouver and all kinds of workplaces, which is cool. I ran a marathon three weeks ago. I nearly died.

Cool. Congrats. That's awesome. I run is, I ran 35 kilometers and then I walked seven. it's so impressive I wouldn't call it a running marathon no that's so impressive a combination of running and walking it felt like a lot of rings at the end walking and strolling and roaming and

that's still impressive yeah but no other than that not a ton of things happening maybe something's happening but working on things but when the opportunity is right I will let you know all right well you can follow me at

Shannon Gates Karen will be my guest for the finale next week from a trans-fivered brains be brawn Gus and Around podcast on YouTube, Spotify, Apple where Peter and I talk about stuff we did talk about marathons actually

Oh really? What's the furthest you've run? The furthest I've run, I don't know, like well I told a story actually on the podcast where I accidentally got put into the 800 meters like state

qualifiers in high school and it was like the worst moment of my life I don't think I ran it though I don't think I could um we did we talk about 8100 meters is like somebody has done a lot of athletics in my life it's the toughest race like I agree with you it's the only one I've done and it was an accident

but it's horrible I definitely didn't run I was like crawling by the end it's the worst race it's like you're at your tiredest and you cannot think or function or move your legs and in this bell rings you have to go to one lap it's supposed to all. Yeah, sure. I mean, yeah. We were saying because I didn't realize that pregnant women can run marathons. And I was like, it made me feel really bad about myself. So we were talking about

that. But that's Gus and around. Karen, I think that's it. Hopefully, it's a great finale because it's the finale of me covering U.S. Survivor consistently for, I don't know, my life changes forever. So let's see. Let's do it 49. Let's end with a bad. But thank you so much, Jock. Thank you to everyone for listening. Thank you to all team behind the scenes. And I will see you next week. Bye.

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