RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor Global: Survivor 49 Episode 9 with Myles Kuah

Episode Date: November 21, 2025

Survivor Global host Shannon Guss speaks to Australian Survivor winner Myles Kuah in person about Survivor 49, episode 9, including who is responsible for the decisions being made, the trajectory of the season, the perfect Knowledge is Power play and more.

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Euron. Suckelium. Aetium. Rumbium. Triva Spokey's coverage of Survivor Hello, everyone and welcome to Survivor 49 for Survivor Global. I'm your host, Shannon Gus, here in person. If the check is bad, it is my husband's Peter's fault.

If it's good, then it's also his fault. We've been testing our usual Gus and around set up to do our first ever in-person Survivor recap. First ever Survivor content in this format. If you're not watching the video, then hopefully it just sounds normal. And if you are, thank you for being here because it's been a lot of effort. And to usher in that era of, well, I guess there's one podcast that we're doing in person. I have, not the reigning champion.

It depends who you ask. If you ask, maybe Jeremy Collins, the reigning champion of Australian Survivor. The only person who's ever sold in an idol with knowledge is power, which is convenient. My great friend Miles, Miles, thank you for being here. thank you for having me um i'm only here because i was promised that i'd get to play grand archive with peter afterwards yes if there's time now with all the testing yeah yeah but i'm really excited there'll be time peter will make time yeah i i think whereas i was very down on this season earlier on i think we're actually at a really good place at the moment and i think there's a lot

to talk about and i'm actually really enjoyed the last couple episodes okay i'm glad you're bringing in that good energy because i showed you i have my notes printed in person old school so highlighted, probably I had to find a highlighter because I'm here on the couch, and I showed you the first two highlighted words, which are actually painful. Yeah, I didn't agree with that. This episode was weird. I think the editing was a bit weird, and definitely the boot was a little bit predictable, especially with the broader context of the editing of the season.

But I do still think that it was an interesting episode, and there was a lot going on, and there's a lot to talk about as far as the strategicness of it all. True. I think for me the reason it's painful is because it's like Rizzo, Savannah, Sof that like fully minority are crushing it and I think that

at a point you maybe go from just like impressed with them to just like tearing your hair out at like people making I think in defensible positions Taryn defended some of it last week will get into last week and this week the decisions that Staj and Juana making in to be fair a power position

that they found themselves in they have agency to make these choices which we can then come in and criticize. And at a point, I'm just screaming into the abyss because I'm like, what are you doing? In what universe is Alex a better target than honestly, yes, Rizzo and his idol will talk about whether that was possible. But like anyone from what has become an Uli for, like you know you're going into eight.

It's quite simple math. You know that Sophie's with this group because they're saying Sophie's voting for Alex. She's at the reward being, I think, too open. Like, tribal lines are gone. I'm so offended at how Heena have treated me. You know you're going into eight, four to them. four, they don't know about the extra vote, okay, they know there's an idol, they know Savannah had something that Sage said last week could be more, but they know they're going into a

4-4, like, where is that power and how is Alex more of a threat to it? So I'm just like, I'm screaming into the abyss. So you're right in that it's a very, very silly decision, but I don't think that necessarily makes it a bad episode. I think it's really entertaining watching Joanne and Sage, like, blah up their game. Yeah, yeah, but I think it's fun and I think like Rizzo and Savannah are playing really well. Also, I disagree with your thing that it's a 4-4, at least that we,

that Joanne and Sage are seeing it as a 4-4. They should see it. No, no, because I think it's totally reasonable for them to see Sof as more of a floating middle as well. And we know as well because in the last episode, Sage was the one who told Sof that she was potentially in trouble, that MC had flipped on her.

And so they're probably seeing Sof as someone that they can work with at least as like an open free agent, or maybe even someone to play the middle with them to help them flip back and forth. Even if that's the case, then they're relying on, firstly, we mean Sophie. Sophie, yeah, sorry.

I don't blame you. Yes, but then they're relying on Sophie to come back with them to be with Christina and Stephen who she's most offended by next time to take out this three, who again have trinkets that they know some of. It's dicey at absolute best. It's gone at worst.

And the thing is, I think we spend so much time being, like, well, they don't know that like the context of the fact that all we have the edit and they're the main characters and like they seem threatening. And now I actually, I don't think it's the edit. I think they know enough. They know most of what Rizzo knows. Like Rizzo and Savannah don't know that SOF has knowledge as power. They don't know that there's an extra vote. They know there could be something with an advantage that was given to

Savannah last episode. No one talked about how there weren't enough votes that you didn't vote, which is fine, I guess. I mean, it's something I think they should be counting but no they know they no they couldn't have counted the votes because no no no because only a certain amount like they're coming they're only reading a certain amount no they yeah no last week it was that they read they didn't read enough oh yeah so they but i mean yeah but i think juan and sage they're counting the votes but it's just to me it's the fact that they know they're going up against a battle-hardened group who continue to best them they probably don't see that because they see it as their agency that's what juan says we've had control this

whole time continue to hold on to their trinkets at the very least and have possibly pulled over Sophie there's just there's so much it's either like like I think a terribly wrong read or an incredibly optimistic read yeah and that's what it is like I think that at this point they're actively reading it badly and it's not based on what we know versus what they know I agree that it's like terrible gameplay but I also don't understand why that makes it bad survivor because I really enjoy watching like a very good I enjoy watching a very competent and good underdog group like navigate their way through the game and take advantage of mistakes from a majority alliance like sage and joan had the power and they're making mistakes and they're rightfully

probably going to get punished for it and rizzo and savanna are playing really well and are probably going to get rewarded for it and i think that's that's really good survivor especially with the game as fluid as it has been because the game's gone actually quite fluid at this stage yeah i mean you have a bias towards underdogs yes yes i definitely do um Yeah, I don't think it's bad survivor. I don't think it's bad survivor. I think it's certainly better than what we were getting in the pre-merge. I just think that, you know, I mean, firstly, it's always a little bit cringe.

I'm always like, I don't know, when Savannah's like, I'm a news anchor, and it's like, I'm sorry. It's just like, I'm rolling my eyes a little bit. I don't think we needed two, these are nitpicking, but like, I don't think we needed two immunities. We've got two idols, fine people, that's a lot. But I think, and I think that the, I think a lot of the confessions have been forced. I said this last week, the Sage, you said, were great narrators, like, her blackhead confessional was coached, like, things like that that I just think that there's like, it's just like a bit of a weird vibe of the overall

season. I think the edit of this episode was a little weird because it wasn't believable that Alex's messiness was more threatening than what Uli are currently doing and it came out of nowhere. But I don't think it's bad survivor compared to what we've had. I just think that the first half of the season was so not great that this half needs to be excellent. And I thought this was a little bit of a step back from what we've had, I think just because at a point, I can't be so, I mean, I am impressed with what Oolie are doing and what Rizzo particularly has done, but I also, I just, I can't defend what Saj and Jawan have done here. Yeah, I, I definitely think there's an element of that the first half of the season was so bad that I almost didn't watch the rest of the season.

I told you, like, if the merge episode is bad, I am out. I said to you, I'm like, watch it. We'll podcast. We'll podcast. We'll do it. Yeah. Yeah. But, um, and definitely there's a bit of the contrast there. But I, and I'm definitely trying to focus on the positives here. I think a lot of that stuff around it is weird. I agree with you. The edit for this episode was very strange. I don't know. The whole thing with Alex, um, it kind of came out of nowhere. Alex is this really messy player. And he's, like he was playing the middle, I do think. And definitely that, I think that makes a bit more, that explains a bit more Joanne and Sage wanting to. No, it doesn't. No, I,

Do not know. No, because Joanne and Sage think they're playing the middle, right? And so they see they're playing the middle. They actually are playing the middle. Yeah, and they see someone else also trying to play the middle. Yeah, but. And so they want to take out the other person trying to play the middle. Sure.

They don't recognize the fact that the numbers are swinging towards the Oolies, but in their mind, their mind, they're taking out the other person who's trying to do what they're trying to do, right? True. I don't think it's a good move, but it's a very understandable move. No, it's not understandable, and I'll tell you why. because Alex is trying to play the middle. Okay. There are six people in the game

that aren't Joanne and Sage making this decision and Alex himself. Four of them are voting for Alex. It's not going well. Him playing the middle is not going well. I don't care if he's having conversations. We see him tell Rose Owen Savannah that like they're,

that people are coming for them. It's kind of like, it all seemed really mild to me. And the other thing about it is that so he's not playing the middle the middle well because they're voting for him. and also he's not really playing the middle at all, I feel, because he's voted with Hina this whole time. He's in with Hina.

They're like, Juana Sage actually are playing the middle. They voted across the aisle. Both ways they've swung, I think badly now. They've destroyed Hina, poor Hina, who took them in, who have been their refuge. I don't think Alex is really doing that. Like, yeah, he has conversations. I mean, even in his ex-interviews,

I was waiting from him to be like, you don't know how messy I was being. It's like he was having conversations with people. It's such a minor threat. I mean, Juan says himself, In the episode, he's like, I've got bigger fish to fry than Alex. And I kind of think what happened was maybe with Savannah being immune and Rizzo feeling untouchable. Sof didn't feel like a big enough, juicy enough target compared to Alex.

And I disagree because I think that Uli four now are becoming very, very concerning. And then I also think now if we're going to talk about it, we can kind of connect this to what they did with MC last time. But if they want Alex out, why not just go to Hina and be. And I don't think they should want Alex out. I think they need to go to eight with one of these four gone. But if they want Alex out, why not go to Hina and say Rizzo, like, thinks he has the numbers. He's not going to play his idol. But also, we have to vote for Rizzo because we can't split the votes.

You don't have Sophie. We have all information. Here's the lay of the land. Put five votes on Rizzo. And if he plays the idol, then Alex goes home anyway. they're voting for Alex so again like I said with MC last I want to just put some votes on Rizzo three votes at that point would have been MC Saj and Jawan and if he plays the idol the idol's gone which is great we've actually flushed the idol and MC goes anyway like that

their target anyway again a target I don't agree with in MC or Alec that either case yeah why don't take a shot at that point you know like I don't why let Uli have everything every time is my question I suspect as well something that's being missed in the edit because I feel like I've gotten better at reading the edit than I used to be especially post my six season. Well, to be fair, this edit is like in giant font. No, but I think that's something that's, no, but I think that's something that's missing from the edit is, um, I feel like Sof has done a much better job than is being shown at

kind of integrating herself and distancing herself from the allies. I agree. We're shown quite a few times her having strats with people who in theory she shouldn't really be having strats with and being let in on plans that she shouldn't really be in on. And I think that I think that Joanne and Sage are seeing it as a fluid game and they're seeing it as Sof and Sophie are both not specifically on any given side are playing the middle. Terrible misread.

Like awful misread at that point then. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's what's happening here. Okay, well, that's like pain to misery. We're not disagreeing that the move is terrible. The move is horrific and is probably game losing for Joanne and Sage. But it's just you're saying where's it coming from? It's coming out of nowhere.

I think it's coming from stuff that isn't really being shown. And this is something that does frustrate me about the US Survivor Edit a little bit, is that while the Australian Survivor Edit can really like bang you over the head, it does a really good job at explaining why every vote goes of the way it does. You hear kind of everyone importance thoughts before the vote on why they're voting a certain way. You most of the time see the reasons why this person has blown up their game or why people think this person is sketchy. And I think this season, specifically the last episode or two, hasn't done a fantastic job at really explaining why certain people are voting certain ways and also how certain people perceive other people, right?

And so I think Sof and Sophie are specifically there and their relationships with Joanne and Sage. And yeah, part of it is just. Yeah, part of it is just Joanne and Sage, especially when you're on the top for a while, especially if you're not that great of a player, which, I really don't think that they are. A lot of fun, but I don't think they're great players. When you're on the top for a while, you can kind of get a little bit light. Like, you get, you just get so focused,

you lose track of what everyone else is doing. It's, I'm in control, and everyone is kind of doing what I want. And you forget that everyone who's not on the top is doing their own thing as well on the side and kind of recognizes that you're there and is working to try and dethrone you. I mean, it happened to me. When I was on the top, I thought, like,

I'm playing the middle. perfectly. I'm right in the middle of everything. And I was, but then because I was there and because I got so blinkered at it all, I stopped maintaining the relationships as well. I stopped keeping track of the specific numbers as well because I just thought I kind of had it all. And I think that Joanne and Sage are in a similar position where they just think they have it all. They can have their cake and eat it essentially here. Yeah. I mean, look, I'm like actively rooting for for Joanne. I love you. And it's not even like how we got a lot of his story this episode. Like I really thought, even the beginning of the episode, I'm like, I'm really rooting for Juwan.

Yeah. Which may sound counterintuitive based on the criticisms I will lay out in this podcast and have even last week. But I think, yeah, I think in terms of what you're saying with them being bad players, I wouldn't say that they're bad players. I would say, I think they're good players. I would say the pendulum strategy is a very tough assignment. And we said this last week. They have a lot of power. And it's a huge credit to them that they have that power.

like I will say where I will give credit in this episode is they bounced back from taking out MC. They didn't even need to bounce back like it went a lot better than I thought which was impressive. I thought okay will Stephen be so mad that he might cut them will Jawan be caught out it like for playing both sides in way that Alex was not at all

Steven invested so much in them that he gave Sage that information about the idol he actively chose them over his heena allies even though they're just thinking out his number one in MC and actually that makes the MC move for me even worse because it feels like, well, if the issue was, like, what are you doing at the bottom of this Hina group? Like, they weren't at the bottom of Heter.

We see that, like, Alex said he and Stephen have had some issues. Alice was trying to, he said, split more on Sage. He said in the X interview than Sof, because we didn't see how that kind of Kellear storyline played out. But he couldn't, because Stephen wouldn't allow it. Like, they had a ton of leverage in Hina. They have a lot of leverage in Hina. And now, actually, in taking out Alex, they could have gone that five with Hina, you know,

where they actually had a majority of three of the five. So the credit to them is how well they were doing in Hina. Now I have to discredit how much work they individually have done to help Uli destroy Hina when they were in such a good position. And I think that, I don't say they're bad players, but I think the pendulum strategy is so hard, we can get done by the absolute greats. Are they the absolute greats?

Like, probably not. The balance is off, I think, where, yeah, Hina have been decimated. What were Hina doing to you? I think you're ascribing more deliberateness to their, like, to their strategy that got them to the top and there actually was, I think a lot of it is just when you're on the bottom for long enough,

eventually, especially when you have two distinct sides fracture like this, like it did emerge. When you're on the bottom for long enough, you just end up kind of on the top. Sage did a lot of good work. Yeah, yeah, definitely. He worked against Shannon.

And look, Shannon wasn't doing herself favors, but like Sage won that battle. There's something to be except for recognizing that you need to flip. Yeah. But what was Stephen going to do at the Shannon vote, right? Stephen wasn't going to not vote Shannon, right? Even given the opportunity to...

Well, he could have voted Joanne. Yeah, but that would have been a two-two anyway. Yeah, you're right. And Joanne, at the point where Sage has got Stephen, Juan's not going to make a two-two to try and save Shannon. Like, I think a lot of this is positioning that just kind of happens when you're on the bottom for long enough. And then you just end up flipped to the top.

And you're like a dog chasing a car and you get there. You don't really know what to do with it, essentially. and they got to the top and they're like, oh my God, we're here and then they're just still run around trying to do, they're almost like doing too much, really. They're doing, I mean, way too much. They should have just hung out with Hina for ages.

I've always thought that. But the thing is, to be fair to them, they got one over on Oolie. You know, they took out Nate. Yeah. And that was a surprise thing. That was a blindsided. And they have blindsided through these last votes.

But also, it's great, but it's the very obviously correct move for them to do there, right? Oh, for sure. but I'm just saying, like, in action. Like, they did that. They blindsided. Yeah, it's like, good job for that. But there's not, there's no, like, incredible gameplay that we witnessed at the

merge to, for the people who are on the bottom of the red tribe to flip to the yellow to give the yellow the numbers to take out a red tribe person. For sure. And then the fact that I think that these last two episodes, they played very badly, I think, um, does somewhat, uh, does somewhat suggest that it was less deliberate than I think you're giving, you're giving, you're giving it. Well, I mean, look, you're preaching to the choir that I think. that they are like face in hands decisions.

Taryn came in last week and I really appreciated his perspective in trying to give them more credit, maybe, because we know that the edit will tell the Oolie story. I actually agonized over it all week, I will say, because I kind of came out of that podcast and I was like, okay, based on kind of what I discussed with Taryn, the three reasons they might have taken out MC as an option over at least taking the shot at Rizzo or even over Sophie

because I really felt like MC was the worst choice but definitely like taking the shot at Rizzo I think speaks for itself and they again could have gone with M-C to at least take that shot and I even thought compared to Sophie like now Sophie again we've talked about but has completely flipped away from Hina

where I think they should be with Hina and I think going back with MC they had more power in that Hina group why not keep a Hina group together where it's actually a pretty good bet for you Tara and I were talking like okay well that will be a future problem in Hina and I don't even really think it was

like for Christina and MC like they did want to be with Hina but like having Steven it was they have good sub-alliances Like, it's a great spot for them. No, I disagree because the problem is, I disagree specifically with your argument of MC against Sophie. I do agree, obviously, that they should have like taking the shot at Rizzo. But I do think MC was a better target than Sophie. First of all, because you've got like a pretty easy excuse to take out MC in this situation.

And it did come back well. And I do think that it hurts the central power structure of Heena and actually gives them more power in theory. Now, they, we don't, we, we actually don't even know if Sophie, Sophie will end up going to be an Uli number or if she'll just end up staying like a middle floater. I think they potentially, they potentially think that they can pick up Sophie and there's reason to think that. Misread. No, no, because they, they were the one that told Sophie that MC had flipped on her in the first place. Sage literally told Sophie.

And so, Sage and Joana potentially, Sage especially is potentially looking at that and going, I warned Sophie that she was at risk. we're going to take out MC and now we're going to have this Hina majority, but we're going to have an even larger middle group here that we can use to bounce between because suddenly if they've got them, sorry, Sage, Joanne and Sophie in the middle, suddenly those numbers to bounce between look a lot better. Now, I still think that it's a, even if that is the case, it's a very bad move to take out Alex here. But I don't mind the logic on taking out MC because Stephen was really close with MC.

and we it's hard because they don't really show the logic here in the edit but there's the potential that Stephen is so close with them because his number one in MC is gone right like if they've taken out MC and then Stephen has gone to them as a number one yeah then that's an incredible like that's a very good move that again makes this move work but I really I don't hate the logic on there I do think they should have a target of grizzote there but as far as MC over Sophie I think it does actually make a lot of sense. I think, okay, I think with in terms of Sophie, they put,

that she doesn't want to be in the middle. Like, they pushed her so far that she doesn't want to swing with them to maybe help Hina. She hates Hina. So they've like pushed her fully away. And I think that they maybe I'm just reading that. I also think that even, even if like, okay, they gain stuff from MC going. And MC was a big threat and a big part of Hina. So you're always going to have some merit. But they did put themselves where they had like no margin for error. And now there has been extreme error. And now they've like, completely lost it, where I don't think Hina was that troubling for them. Like, if it was about Hina are really going to be this group where we're at the bottom,

we really have to do something, then maybe you take those risks when Uli are like coming for you and picking up numbers and picking up trinkets and keeping trinkets. And I don't think that Hina was like a dire spot for them to have to do that. So I think, again, that's a trickier decision for sure on the pendulum and the balance. I don't think Hina needed to be cut in that way. and I think that there were pros, of course, because MC is threatening and she's a big part of Hina, and there were cons in that, okay, like Hina are now kind of floundering because of you,

you're going to have to save it, oh, no, you haven't. And yes, then there was no margin for error and it couldn't have gone worse, I think, in this episode, and that was an active choice. But, you know, anything could happen. There are also trinkets and stuff. Like, they really made it, I think, dicey at best. But the way that I looked at it last week was, like, are they actively choosing to take out MC? And, like, they came back in this episode and, like, Joanna's like, we've been in control. Like, he clearly thinks that that's been, like, they're doing something in their best interest to take out MC. And I simply don't agree because even if you take Sophie out of it, why not take the shot at Rizzo?

So that's the first part. The second part I thought of even at MC and Sophie, possibly, even if Sophie is better for them to take out, they possibly felt they didn't have the numbers. We know about Savannah, but maybe they think like Sophie's vote, you know, with Savannah and Rizzo there. We know that Savannah didn't have a vote. But maybe they think, like, there's also nothing that we can do. And like those three votes become really, really paramount, if they're even thinking about taking out Sophie. And then the third thing, which I really lent on, was like, Rizzo just convinced them.

You know, and I felt so bad about that all week because I'm like, I'm just, I'm really not giving them enough credit. The edit is always going to affirm that with Rizzo, it's certainly what Rizzo thinks, and we see his point of view. And I felt bad about that all week. And now I look at it and I'm like, with this Alex vote, like, I really think. Rizzo just convinced them. I know.

We know that it's not Savannah convincing them, because we know that Joanne isn't a massive fan of Savannah and Sage hates Savannah. So it's not Savannah that's convincing them, which means the only person that's convincing them is Rizzo, especially because it's not like Sof was there on the previous vote. Which I, this again comes into the whole editing thing. I wish we saw more of what Rizzo was actually saying to,

not even, because we saw Rizzo spreading, we had that little clip of Rizzo spreading all the stuff about Alex, but I wish we saw more of what Rizzo is saying. to Jawan and Sage more generally to kind of build that trust and keep them in line. We've got a little bit of that the week before but we're still not

it's still not really clear how Joanne is perceiving Rizzo because he keeps saying oh we're going to take the job down the line but yeah again I think it all just comes back to like to the blinkers you get when you're on the top they're just at the top they're not

thinking all these things through they think they just have all the power and they're not they're clearly not number Z strategic players, right? Both of them, I think both them have all right social games. Yeah, but there's some people play... Like 5V4.

Can't get the 4V4. Yeah, and they're clearly not running those numbers. 4V4. It's literally on two hands. Sophie is not, they're not seeing Sophie as a number. Terrible mystery. No, because I still don't even think that like, because Sophie isn't necessarily

an Allie number. We'll see if there's evidence in the next episode that Sophie is just a hard number for Allie. there's, I think it's totally reasonable. It's not even being a number for Uli. It's how much she doesn't want to work with Tina and a lot of their pendulum strategy will at a point be not cutting into Tina.

So I think like for me, like, okay, firstly, just on like the MC Sophie thing as well. MC was like also investing in them. So it's not even just that she was a problem for them. Whereas like I think Sophie now, again, I think they're misreading how much she's not with them and has turned to Uli. Whereas MC I think was investing in them.

So I think that that's a bad read. I also think that they have had agency. They have had actual agency. both of these votes. Because even if they don't have agency, they think, on the MC Sophie 3-3 of it all, they certainly had agency to take the shot at Rizzo last week. So that's real agency that's being wasted. This week, the swing votes. So they have, and they have all the information. So it's true agency. So you have to look at like, is Rizzo convincing them away? And I think the thing that for me that I've always come back to is like, if you're being convinced against

your best, if you're being convinced against your best interest, then you're being led. Like we've seen it before like I think Survivor UK is a great example where Chris came to Matt or they had a conversation at the final night were like we should turn on to Nookay and a lot of people were like well he led Matt astray it's like it wasn't astray Matt knew it was in his best interest and he could vocalize why it was good for his game and they were like yeah let's do that you know so that's not leading someone to something that's just like yes wonderful like mutual benefit whereas like I think the thing with Rizzo and why it's beyond the edit to to credit Rizzo here is that I don't think

that this is in their best interest and I don't think last week was in their best interest on multiple fronts but at least we can agree on take the shot at Rizzo and here to not take the shot and let Alex even be the bathtub

which again I don't even agree with but at the very least and to go for Alex as a priority over Ooli I just think it's just like it's not in the, if it's not in the best interest then like Rizzo is surely

the one controlling that. Yeah and there's something that I can compare here to my season with Rizzo and AJ which is how Rizzo is using narratives I think really well because I think it's really easy in situations like this

for even a narrative that isn't even true side this is Alex a messy player I don't think Alex is a particularly messy player but this narrative that he's messy Rizzo spawns that he says it to this person he says it to this person and once that starts that doesn't stop

I like I I definitely had a chaotic streak, but I... You were chaos. No, no, no, no. I voted the way that I said I was going to vote in all but like two tribal councils or something like that. Like I had a very consistent voting record as far as what I told most people that I was going to do. But I had this reputation of Miles. Miles is crazy. Miles could do anything. Can't trust Miles. To the extent that even people in the minority when I was the person who was on the bottom weren't coming to me. And a lot of that was just about narrative, right? Like various people, AJ was one of them, car.

and did it a bit as well. Various people build these narratives that, hey, so-and-so is crazy, so-and-so can't be trusted. And once that narrative starts, it's very hard to break past that. It's very hard to do anything to stop it. Like I, the narrative that was going on about me was Miles can't give his mouth shut. He can't keep a secret when I kept on getting in trouble because everyone else was telling everyone else everything that I would say. And so what was Miles can't keep a secret was that nobody could keep a secret that I was trying to tell them, right? And I think just the same thing

here has happened with Alex, where is he chaotic? Is he crazy? No, was he even playing the middle that much? A little bit? A little bit. Enough. He was giving, was he even playing it properly. No, but he was giving enough playing the middle that once this narrative kind of takes hold, it just snowballs or snowballs and everyone starts noticing. Here's what will happen. Once that narrative takes hold, everyone notices every time you do it. So it's something that you do only occasionally and everyone is doing it.

Everyone's having strat chats with everyone. Everyone's speeding everyone like bits of information that aren't true necessarily and everyone's having all these different strats. But what will happen is that someone points out, Alex is playing the middle, look at he's strats chatting to everyone. And now everyone notices every time Alex is doing it with every single other person, even though he's doing it. the same as everyone. It's the lying thing, right? So-and-so is a lie. Everyone's lying in the game.

No one's, maybe there's one or two people on a season who are trying to be the actually loyal person, but everyone's lying. But this person gets a reputation as being the liar because the narrative takes hold and then everyone notices every time they lie. Every lie that they do gets pointed out and made public to everyone versus everyone else is doing the lies that are okay and aren't part of the narrative, right? And what we saw was just Alex saying to Rizzo and Savannah they're coming for you, which is nothing. Like, again, like, it's A not true, but I think, like, even in the world, the important thing is, like, even in the world where it is true,

and Alex is talking to everyone and he's loose-lipped and he's super chaotic, it's just, it's not important for the reasons of you've given yourself too fine a margin, because look at the numbers. Like, at the end of the day, they know that Sophie is voting for Alex, right? And maybe they think that's what their... To what extent, though, is Sophie voting for Alex? Yeah, with the... versus because what I reckon probably happen is and at least what I would probably be doing

in this situation is Sophie, Jawan and Sage together, coming together and being, hey, where the middle, where do we want to swing? Because they're not going to swing like in a different way to what, if they know that all three of them are in the middle, they're going to vote together. Yeah, and that makes a big difference because that puts them at age with three, three, two, rather than what we know is a four. I still don't even know that we know that it's a. a 4-22. Like, I get, I agree that Sophie is against the heinous, but I don't think, I don't know why

you would ascribe Sophie to the Uli and not, well, the Savannah and Mizzo Uli and not to Sage and Juana. Because I don't think, because, say, it's because, even though I think she's fully jumped to Uli and they've done a better job of cultivating that. And we see those conversations where it's like, Sof, Savannah and Sophie. Like, they don't see, I think that Uli have beaten them to the punch of securing Sophie. We know that. But even without that. We don't, like, we've seen, we've seen a couple of conversations with her and Savannah.

We've seen much more conversations of her with, um, with Sage and with Joanne. And we've seen conversation with her and Sage going back to please what? Her and Sage have a pre-established relationship here. They voted together for, uh, they've been working together for a while. Yes. Okay. Even if you, I don't believe that. I think that Uli have, I'll tell you why I feel like I think you're reading into the edit here.

No, I don't. I will. I'll tell you why. Because Uli are against Hina and Sophie's against Hina. And Saj and Jawan are trying to flip. She will not be with a group that behooves Hina, that goes with Hina over Uli who have offered her a refuge. The reason that she is more with Uli,

I think they've done well socially. I think we've seen it, and a lot of that is the editor. However, I think I can fully say she's with Uli, and I think that they should fully read, she's with Uli, not even because they're Uli, it's because the enemy of my enemy is my friend. And she will not go back to Hina.

If Staj and Juana are like, work with us who work with Christina, she's mad at Christina and they by the way handled that terribly but yeah I don't think that she I think that if they say we're going to have this whole plan against Stephen and Christina that's what she wants to do I don't think she wants to flip back and forth

with Sage and Juana who have a good relationship with everyone so that they can flip flop I think well I mean Sage hates Savannah so that's actually even more interesting it's like in terms of being like led away from their best interest like they don't even want to work with Rizzo and Zavana Juan has been targeting Rizzo and Sage hates Savannah yeah

but I do think that they are obviously more fluid to be able to work across the aisle and I don't think so if he wants to be fluid I think she's like screw you heena she said it blatantly I think she's been too open with it it's amazing that her her that she's been able to like be such a great like that she's been able to bluff so well when she's openly like I hate those guys yeah so I think that that is readable like I think they're obviously as you're saying reading it wrong and I think it's a bad misread because I think it's plain on her face that she is like I don't want to go back with you to heena next time I want to be with Uli and that makes us a four and that makes us a four of eight

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where there's this meta of an idol that we know about is better than an idol that we don't know about because it happened with Ava obviously from 48 where her whole alliance was just hey, we're happy with Ava having the idol because she's never going to be fair, to be fair, she wasn't their alliance. Yeah.

But Rizzo is your enemy. Jouan clearly, Juan clearly thinks he's got a relationship with Rizzo. He also was targeting Rizzo a lot. He's the main person. At the big vote, he was the main one targeting Rizzo. Yeah, but Rizzo also was had,

like, it's the one bit that we've seen is Jowan and Rizzo having conversations where Rizzo clearly, to some extent, wants to work with Jawan. And Jouan potentially thinks he's got Rizzo kind of in his, now we know that he does it. But I think that Jowan is a bit high and mighty

and thinks he's got Rizzo in his pocket. potentially even above people like someone like so. I think that unfortunately what this comes down to is that the structure of this group is incredibly apparent to us. Yes. I think. I think it's the three Uli's and they have Sophie. Yeah.

I think you have Sajun Jawan who actually have Stephen. And now it's just Christina. They've cut into a group that was pretty much just Christina and Alex to leave what is a ever-growing Ouli for, I think, with trinkets. Now then it becomes how much can we blame them for not seeing the of that land. And I think definitely on Sophie, there's a lot. I think obviously Sophie's doing great work on that. I think Sof must be doing great work on that. And I think that they're seeing it wrong. But I, but I criticize that because I think that if they really looked at it,

they would know that group, like even if Sof doesn't seem like a juicy enough target, I think Sophie would have been a good target. I mean, look, at the end of the day, the split plan that Heena had was terrible. We can talk through it. They would have lost on the split just with the fact that Sophie wasn't with them and they were relying on that anyway. So that was so bad, but I really think that, yeah, it's about not seeing those numbers clearly when it feels like it should be really obvious to us and misjudging it all based on that. And I really think that, I think that all five of these people, because the margins had been cut, needed to make sure they did not let those four go to eight. And I honestly think there's a lot to be said about

you have perfect information with your wanted stage. Go to them and say either, we all need to shoot it's Sophie who's a good target. She's flipped and she's a great physical competitor. Or, and also, by the way, that Uli group are so likely to win immunity if you include Sophie with them. So they're super threatening. Or we take the shot at Rizzo. He thinks he has the numbers.

He's not been playing his idol. Let's take that shot. If he plays his idol, they're voting for Alex. Christina can play her idol on Alex and they can re-vote Sophie or Sofout. Like they have, they had a lot of information here, especially led by Seijan Jawan, to win the day, come out of eight with five with an idol gone. Yeah. And they didn't, Sage and Juans didn't think it necessary to do that.

And yet they had all, like, especially Sage of all information, like all the tools at her disposal to keep Alex around, who was like a critical number for them. Yeah. I think. For all of them, including Sage and Juan. Yeah. I think we're really seeing here the fact that everyone kind of outside of our core Alley 3 are just not great survivor players.

I love how it's the Oolie 4 and like Sof and Sophie were both not on Ooli but it like the spirit of Ooli is that? I'm still not counting Sophie in the Ooli four. That's not a thing. It is a thing. It might become a thing but it's not a thing. It is a thing. She says it plain and clear. She hates Heena. Yeah, but that doesn't mean who hates Tina? Ooli. Now she's Oolie.

That doesn't. But yeah, I do really think that you've got basically the three best players on the season. Or at least I'm still not exactly sure how competent of a player Savannah is because I think we've definitely seen more strategically and socially from

Rizzo and Sof. But she seems like a decent enough player. But Rizzo and Sof really do look like they are just a class above the rest of this cast. With the exception of maybe Stephen, who I think has gotten repeatedly fucked over by his teammates being really bad. Like I feel

the worst for Stephen because I think repeatedly Stephen's allies have let him down every single stage. Let's talk about that. Like, how much should Stephen, because they all are doing it? Let's talk about Heena. He's split vote plan, which includes Sophie. Maybe talk about

Juana Sage, maybe misreading Sophie. At least, again, parts of that are fair enough that they might think Sophie's with them. The split vote plan that Heena had. Firstly, originally they said four votes including SOF, I guess, on Savannah. Yeah. Which was insane. And also not

a split. Like if you're putting a majority on Savannah, you have not split. Rizzo can keep the idol. You want killing my soul. But also, then this plan becomes like a really, last week, Taryn was like, it would be crazy if they split the vote six or three and then they use the extra vote. And I was like, well, they're not going to split the vote because it would include Sophie and Sajun who have just voted against Hina. And no, it was their plan. Yeah. Like again, even if like Sajan Jawan are fully with them, but like again, like they could tell them the plan. They should go and tell them. You can't split the vote. We should be voting either just like the safest thing with

Sheena love on Sophie or Sof or we should be voting for Rizzo and then if he plays his idol we have an idol on the bounce back we'll have the majority which I think is what they should do but yeah they were going for this three three split which isn't going to work anyway it's so bad like no wonder if they think he can keep the idol like he knows he has four votes and there is in most like three votes he knows that they're not going to take a shot on him because heena will not like just a straight shot and they can't split yeah so what were they thinking yeah like what like Is that not Stephen's fault? Is that not everyone's fault?

No, that is Stephen's fault. But I think the fact that Stephen is in this situation in the first place is as a result of very bad gameplay from basically all of his allies. MC shouldn't have played the idol. Then MC and Sof should like really. Yeah, they biffed it. Really biffed it on that thing. And then Christina really biffs it with when when Sophie comes back to Cannes. And then Alex is apparently playing.

messy enough that he gets himself a target with sage and juan oh no it is also his other allies of sage and juan who are making these and then he's other allies and so stephen is there and sure can we criticize stephen for being part of this split plan that is clearly ridiculous yes but everything that has had to come together here for them to lose this like unloosable majority that they had after the nate vote is none of that is on stephen that is all just stephen's and this is this is something that's really interesting. I am a big fan of have smart allies. They talk about this on the episode.

Yes, yes. I, um, and I'll relay this back to my season again because that's, that's all the experience that I have had. But Laura created this alliance and Laura decided I'm going to have like a bunch of dumb people in my alliance who I can manipulate and I can, and in theory that's really smart. Big personalities who are going to always be shields in front of you and who are going to be able to manipulate.

Yeah. Now the problem is having dumb people in your alliance means that they do dumb things and they lose you your majority, whether it be they infight amongst each other or they flip the stupid reasons or they just blow up their own game. I really think you want, especially if you are someone who is a smart strategic player, who I think Stephen is, Stephen seems like a very switched on smart guy, both socially and strategically. If you are someone who is a competent strategic player, you want players who are predict. on the board around you so that you can make moves that you can pitch moves that make sense for their game and your game and you can work off shared incentive as opposed to just relying on people not going and blowing everything up

like all of his allies have in the last two episodes. Yeah, I mean look, no defense even for Stephen, Sophie didn't love that either and I know they'd just been asleep but yeah, the way that they treated Sophie when she came home like, wait, you're not the heena we wanted.

What? Like, where's MC? I miss MC. It's like, it's fine. You'll see her on the jury. She came for me. They're like, yeah, because you're at the bottom of Hina. She's like, I'm out.

That was bad all around. But yeah, the main people that Stephen has to contend with is the fact that Fajun have destroyed everything he created. Like, they got themselves into this great Hina spot for one vote. Yeah. And then we're like, but now we destroy it. And they're supposed to be his two closest to allies as well. Yeah, they're too closest to allies as well.

Exactly. In fact, Stephen, literally, literally. told, it was Stephen that told Sage about the idol this episode, right? And then Sage and Jawan in the same episode, flip on Stephen. Oh my God, I'm going to bug this mic out.

Probably. You know, in the other room is like, mine, you're too loud. I can tell. I can read his mind. I do feel I feel so bad for Stephen because I do think, while yes, there's a lot, there is mistakes that he's made. There is a lot of just purely ridiculously bad gameplay from everyone around

him that's allowed this. There's also something to be said, interestingly, for when you come back from a vote, the nighttime etiquette, essentially, when people who you're not with come back from a vote, or even when you are in the vote and then you come back and what happens. Because I think there's a lot, and it's a shame that I feel like Survivor, both Oz and US, don't show it more. I think there's a lot more that goes on in the reading the dynamics directly after the vote when you come back. I think you can pick up on a lot, And I think it's where a lot of people slip up. On my season, I've seen it, you see it on other seasons.

You see it all the time. It's when everyone's tired and like something's not. Well, they were like outright as late. That initial surprise before someone has the time to formulate response gives so much away. And I really love that we really got to see it firsthand now, even like from disastrably bad gameplay from Christina. Yeah, it was, it was sad to watch. What did you think about Christina?

giving up the reward to Joanne. I think it's nice. Yeah, it was fine. And I think it's nice both from like, from a human moment and also from a game. Yeah. Because it does like, first of all, Joanne seems like a lovely guy. And and people, people talk a lot of smack about New Era, US Survivor, being short and being. And I don't like the fact that it's shorter from the pure gameplay and dynamics and social dynamics side of things.

But from the physical side, this season especially has seemed. brutal. It's been really brutal. There's quite a few players who have not eaten for lots of stretch. They don't get any food. I do genuinely think that it's probably harder on a pure physically level, not including the mental side because I think obviously it's easier 20 whatever days. But on a pure physical level, I think that the 20, however many days it is without. It's 26 days. But the fact that you can be so cavalier about it really just shows your, you've played 47 days, right? So you're like, yeah, 20, it's all the same to me. me. Once we get sub 30, I don't even know what I mean. I do think that it's probably harder physically

than the 47 days where you have consistent rice and beans, right? I do think that the mental side of things obviously makes things a bit more difficult on the long game. And I think there's more interesting social dynamics. They have to survive so much. Yeah, when you look at these guys and it has seemed hot as well. Like Jeff commented that it seemed that it's been consistently hot all the way through. That's awful. And for Joanne to just not eat through all of that. I think it's a really lovely human moment that Christina, who's been on like the winning tribes consistently, gives up a food.

And it should, in theory, be also a great social move as well. Well, yeah, I mean, I think the thing that people always say about that is like, firstly, like, would you want to feed your competitor? But Christina's not like. Christina's not winning the challenges. So it's not really an issue. And then I think that what other people would say is that, oh, it creates, like it makes you more of a threat.

It creates this debt that people don't like, but Christina's not been a big threat. So, like, all the things that you. you would take issue with. I don't with Christina. It seems like a really genuine moment. And if it buys some goodwill, if it's the reason that it's pushed over into a jury vote,

I think do it. I think it was nice. Also specifically, if it's someone that is well liked by the rest of the tribe. Oh, and is also been visibly having a rougher time than everyone else.

Like, Joanne is tangibly not eating, right? That makes it more understandable. They were all on the same page. It's clearly not a game thing. There's an emotional side of it where hey we all like this guy he's having a rough time i've had a good time yeah i don't think there's i think it's just yeah there was a secret scene where they were like picking the groups

and they were all so supportive of joan like everyone was on the same page with it it is funny i'm supportive of joan yeah i love joan like it was a good social move and then you see the way that they treated sophie like even in that yeah she's like she picked sophie first actually and she's like i feel like we need a bond again and sophie's like i'm also a great challenge competitor yeah um the craziest thing about what they did with sophy was that they weren't like it wasn't just that they clearly were like why are you here you're not the heena we want they were like but also will you be a crucial flipbara like if that's the case fine okay sophy's not with you anymore you've made it clear as day the five of you are on sophy

do you know what i mean like she's they're not going to play the idol on her if that's the concern yeah um she's not with you we can maintain our five if they're not looking to again, I think that they should take the shot at Rizzo and they have an idol in the bounce bag, but at least Sophie is the safest choice. At that point, it's like what Boss and Rob might do are you like, you know, take out that or like what, I mean, look, Rob says,

and you know, you took out the swing vote, but I think, yeah, taking out someone who's not going to be protected, you would think that that, that they'd go that way. But to treat her that way and then be like, we crucially need you on a three. Well, it's just complacency, right? Like, they are looking at the numbers

and they think they've got all the numbers. They think they've got Joanne and Sage. They think they've got, they've got Sophie, and so they think they can be... They think they have her so much that it's not even like, okay, we don't know, like, you're the mat, our odd vote. Like, we're just going to... Just in case we don't have you, we're going to take you out.

They're like, we rely on you. You're a crucial split vote for us. But this happens all the time when you get... Especially when you get these... It's hard to say with Stephen, but especially with Christina, and I think to an extent with Stephen, when you get these more passive players

who aren't really active strategic players end up on the top, I think a lot of the time they can... Stephen is as well. Sorry, he wasn't throwing challenges. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Stephen is.

But when you get these more passive strategic players end up on the top, I think a lot of the time they don't do the required maintenance that you need. When you've got someone like Tony does this really well, Tony is just always doing the little adjustments, right? If this person is potentially a threat to his game, he takes them out even if they're in his alliance. But also he's making sure that he's always got the numbers on it. side. To run the game from the top, you need to be micromanaging. I think it's actually a bit

easier to run the game from the middle. When you're in the middle, I don't think you have to do as much micromanaging. Now, you eventually will have to when you end up in like a top or bottom position. But in the middle, you can kind of just cruise for a bit. But these guys like the Stephen and Christina have just been on the top for the, especially in this late game, like basically, no, even including the side. They've been on the top the whole game. And so they haven't really had to do these little micromanaging tweaks and they've just gone complacent that's all it is yeah the one thing i will say about christina and the she said she wanted to bond with sophie and then gave up her reward to joan so that took out the bonding that's very unfortunate but i will say that like

but one thing that again is fine about it i think it was still worth it because also juan's not gonna go it wasn't like he was with like sophy savannah and rizzo like he had alex there it wasn't a group that could talk so yeah and again i think you it's very hard to plan around juan and sage flipping there like that one's not on them yeah the other stuff with regards to how the flip work was structured and losing sophia and whatnot yeah sure that's really bad gameplay from them but i don't think there is a world here where they should be predicting joan and sage to flip there other than they just also took out mc no but i i think that it's totally reasonable if you're on the yellow side there to be yeah this is unforeseeable it's

baffling totally get it you've got savannah there with her necklace you got rizzo there with the idol, it's kind of a, is really messed up situation, understandable. Yeah, I would love to talk about Alex because there's a couple of things with Alex. Something I didn't enjoy about this episode was we hear nothing from the fact that Alex while voting for Rizzo is in on a plan that could take so far out and so folks out Alex. Like, Kelaire are the whole beginning of the narrative and it's so irrelevant. And I think that it's actually not even a fault of the edit. It's just the structure of the season where these disaster tribes segment the narrative.

Like, Kayla's not important anymore. They've both moved on. They don't have like compatible interests. Yeah. Like it's actually not important. But the fact that that's what Kayla comes down to, like this tribe is everything at the beginning. And then one of them makes the final eight.

Like stop me if you've heard this before. This happens like in the new era so often. Yeah. And it's, but you don't even get that like Caleb, Emily kind of storyline throughout. But it's still a little bit working together. Yeah. It was just like completely dropped. Yeah.

From a narrative perspective, it was just like, sex. Yeah, but I think it's of the way that the game is structured in actuality. And then, yeah, I mean, I think in terms of like the whole edit for Alex, it just, I think because a lot of it was possibly truly on Rizzo amping that up. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, it was a strange kind of end for Alex who was a really big character early. And she has more confessions in Rizzo. Yeah, he has more confessions in Rizzo because he got like 21 in the first job.

Yeah. Australian Survivor style. He becomes less relevant. We don't even see how much. important he is Tahina and then he's just kind of taken out here in a storyline introduced like halfway through the episode that's mostly based on like what Rizzo's doing is hard to understand hard to believe because it's not really real and not that important just a strange way for Alex to go when he's such a huge part of the beginning of the season yeah it was very strange and

they haven't really done a good job at showing the deterioration of the relationship between Alex and Sof because clearly there's some I know they're on different sides maybe that wasn't there because they talked about this in the ex-interviews where it was like she really didn't come back from the Nate thing but you really need them to like show that, yeah, I mean it might not exist like there needs to be a conversation between them

where it's like, how dare you? It's like maybe they're just not having that question. No, no, no, no, not even conversation, even just confessional, yeah, confessionals, like show, I feel like that's a really important relationship and they just kind of ignored it. And I don't know why because I think it would,

because I also don't think this. You need to ask a question. First of all, this episode had, I feel like a bit of filler content in it that you really could have spent more time on explaining yeah just everything with Alex I I feel like it really I get what you mean with the guys I'm not liking this episode in that I while I really enjoyed it from a strategic perspective I do think everything about how Alex was edited in this episode was very strange and didn't really make a lot of sense yeah and maybe that's because Rizzo's doing that good a job but then yeah maybe it's just because

Sage and Joanna just like Yeah, being led by Rizzo Yeah But again, is that so ungracious That's exactly what the edit would show us Is the edit actually showing us the truth? I think I think yes And that's so easy

Like as Taryn said last week Like that's the easiest way to analyze the show But like I really have tried to be like what Where How does it how else does it make sense I mean I'd love to talk about it from Uli Yeah From their perspective

Um Because I think Uli are interesting Like Uli They're doing great Great tribe. There's four, I mean. I'm talking about the Ooli four. I have it right here in my notes.

You can see. You mean the Oli 3 plus Sophie? Uli 4 slash Chizzy is actually what the note segment says. I can't get up to do the Chizzy music. I could, but I don't want to. I'm far away from my computer at this point because of the formatting. So you will have to sing the Chizzy theme song as a Chizzy winner. That's what we're going to need.

I can do my best. I don't remember. Three, two, one. I mean, we're not doing it now. Chizzy. Oh, okay. Oh, no, do it. It's getting kind of.

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I really need to stress to the people listening here that holding an idol through not one but two tribes like, tribals like that where you are a very obvious named target. You know your name is out there. You know you are the target of the other side. They in theory should have numbers. So getting votes. That is crazy. I, I had one, technically two, if you count me stealing the idol, but I had one vote where I had a public idol immediately played it because it is hell. Even having a private idol is like, is awful? Oh my God. It's so hard to have an idol. It's so, like, listen to you.

It's so hard to win, and then what I do with my money. My point being, it's, Rizzo is clearly just ice cold. And Rizzo is doing something that I really like. The way he talked about the game being you don't, coming second and coming seventh is the exact same. And I think that's the main. Well, actually, it's not in the US survival. Sure, but you know what I mean?

For the purpose of winning, there's no different. Okay, let's say fourth. There's no difference between coming forth and. There is. They get money the whole time more. Do they? Yeah. Okay. No, it's fine, though, but you want to play the game to win, I guess. Yeah, yeah.

You should definitely play the game to win. And I think that's something that separates a lot of the best players. They get paid the whole, like, no matter what they can. That's wild. Yeah. Jealous. But, um... Well, you won.

What are you jealous of them? Yeah, yeah, true, true. Yeah. But, um, I think it's something, it's something that AJ and I definitely had in our season. It's something that you look at your people like George, your people like, um, like Luke, you know, your best players. they have the ability to stomach short-term risk in the understanding that it's a move for long-term gain.

And that is, it seems very simple from the outset, but when you're in the moment is incredibly difficult because it's just purely, you look like an idiot if you do it wrong, right? If you're that guy and there's not... Yeah, he still look like an idiot. He still go home with the idol on his pocket. No, that's what I mean.

If you're the guy that is holding onto the idol, your name gets, is thrown out and you know that you're a target, Geordie style, right? When you're that person, Simon's style, although he didn't know

his name was out there, but Jordy is a really good example. You look like an absolute dumb ass, but it's also the, in some cases, it is the correct move to do. And it's really something that separates the best players.

And I really think Rizzo is a phenomenal player. I think he's shown to be the best player this season so far. And I think he's playing an excellent game. And he has, has that winning mindset, which is stomach the short-term risk to get the long-term winning potential. And there's a time to do it and there's a time to not. Some people have way too much risk appetite where they're just, oh, I'm going to take this silly risk here,

this silly risk here. There is a time to play the idol. Yeah. But clearly he's got the social connections that he is confident here. And then with that information, because he's probably thinking I'm 80% good here, I'm 20% bad based on my social read, then having that social read and then having that social read and then making the correct play based on it. It's

something that is very easy to look at at home and kind of just be like, oh yeah, it's good play. I think that it is standout play. I think that it's something that I think the last two votes he has played genuinely been playing at an elite level that I don't think anyone else. I don't even know that there's many

people from the last couple of seasons that I'd put. I think he's playing it like the best game in the last couple of seasons. So far. So far. Obviously, we'll see how it goes. but well he makes it look easy and that's why yeah and that's it but the thing is as well is that actually something really subtle is I think that his motivations have slightly changed which is good you know like last episode it was a lot of like I'm not playing it Nate just got voted out I'm down in the dumps and like I'm I'm actually like I feel like I'm at the spot where

I need a really shoot for the fences yeah this time he's like maybe I'll play my idol like he's actually thinking about it and it's worn the read of his positioning which I think is more important because he's like, actually, if I just survive through this round with my idol, I will have more leverage than I thought I had last week and I did have last week and I've built that. So I think as well, he has a very good constant read on like,

you know what? I might take the shot at a 50-50 last week where I weren't this week. But this week I've read that my position And also, I think that's also the correct play. Because when you're on the bottom, that's the time to take the bigger risk, right? And when you're in a more comfortable position, that's the time. He has more to lose. Yeah, you've got more to lose.

there. And so I think that both of them he's done correctly. And that clearly there was less risk this week versus I think the last week there was probably. Yeah. I mean again, he knows that they're not going to take like the shot at him. Yeah. They could have with the idle bounce back, but it's fine. They could have protected. And he knows they can't split. Yeah. They don't know that. So yeah, I mean, I think he's reading that very well. And even like, even last week, it was probably constantly changing. When he gets on that original beach, he has kind of nothing. And then throughout that day he's gained a lot more. So I think like it's a mentality of I just, I'm going to take risks versus the read of

I think it's less risky. And I think he, I think that as he gains more, it becomes more on reading his position well. His social capital is clearly pretty good as well because we see and it's not even in what we see. It's also what we're not seeing. We're not seeing a lot of conversations with him and Sage, but Sage is working with him. And especially considering that Sage does not like Savannah, which means that Rizzo is clearly putting in work to at least get something with Sage.

Clearly, Joanne's got some sort of decent relationship with him. He's got great relationships with Sof and Savannah. And even we saw Alex. And he did well with Sophie. Yeah, he did great with Sophie. And even we see Alex having like strategic conversations with him when they're in theory on opposite sides. And he's done well with Joanne in a weird spot. Yeah, I don't, I, I also feels he can always work with him.

Yeah, I don't understand the relationship between them. I wish that they'd focus, I wish that they'd give more time for Rizzo and Jawan, because I think that's one of the most interesting relationships at the moment. That's dynamics on the beach. But like, whereas someone like Savannah, she is a target because she has rubbed people the wrong way. Rizzo is only a target because he's got the idol and is in that kind of group and is a huge threat. But his social game is clearly really good. Yeah, I'd love to talk about it in comparison to Savannah.

Because again, Christina says that Savannah has like mean girl energy. There was a secret thing last week that I hadn't seen yet when I podcasted with Taran. I do try to find them that tricky in Australia. Yeah. And it's such an interesting secret scene. Yeah, I think I know the one you're talking about. Yeah, I'd love to talk about it. So basically it's a secret scene where Sage and Savannah are at the split tribe beach and they're like, we need to like clear the air.

And they're kind of clear the air. Yeah, Savannah's good about taking it on. board at first. I will say what Sage talks about is how she feels like Savannah was really kind of mean about the chickens. Yeah. And I thought, I'm like, is that the mean girl thing? Because I kind of feel like Savannah has been kind of mean to Jawan.

Like the thing, like how annoyed she was by Juan, it felt like Jawan was just pure as day. I feel like there were little bits with regards to her and Sarah. I remember when I was watching the early episodes, I was like, okay, the vibe between how Savannah is like her attitude towards Sage was a little bit off as well. definitely could be true as well. But there's really, I think Sage, this happens to people where especially if you're on the bottom for a little bit, you kind of will sometimes just feel like you're perpetually on the bottom or at risk and not realize how the power dynamic shifts.

And I feel like at this point, Sage realizes that she's on the top. But for a while, Sage felt like she was more on the bottom. She was on the bottom. She was and then she wasn't. And it's also not recognizing that Savannah is now on the bottom. I'm going to push back on that. Yeah. Well, okay, well, okay, firstly, the thing that Sage brings up is the chickens.

Yeah. Which I think as a vegetarian felt overblown. That wasn't personal from Savannah. Yeah, but it's part of like a broader, if it's part of a broader thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially if that's what's being shown in the edit, they potentially, potentially Sage goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then that's what's showing. I feel like the way that Sage feels is possibly very valid.

The chicken example feels like not a great way to express that because, again, as a vegetarian thing, I feel like there's probably, because I did feel like Sage was getting weird. Like, there was a weird attitude towards Sage. Well, that, well, then that's why I'm going to push back on the what Savannah says next, which is like, I'm really like, I'm struggling because I'm on the bottom. Yeah. And you, I don't know what it feels like. She says, in the middle of her apology.

I did hate that. She said, she said, you don't know what it feels like because you weren't actually on the bottom. I was like, let me stop you right there. At this point, you've been on the bottom for 12 hours. Yeah. You've been at the top the whole thing. time, Sage was on the bottom. She wasn't in the floor of Ouli and at the very least, like, had to struggle through that swap. Yeah. And it's also about understanding as well that even

if she's not, even if it were true, even if it were true, a lot of people feel like they're on on my season, Kate and I had a very funny conversation at around like final nine where Kate explained to me how she was feeling like she'd just been on the bottom for the whole like basically post merge. And of course, I'm, I'm sitting there and I have tangibly been on the bottom all game and I'm like what what are you talking about but I the thing is is that that was what I was saying in my brain in my brain it was what the hell are you talking about your name has not come out of the own once but in reality I'm like yeah you know I was empathizing I'm like yeah I understand I understand better than anyone and is yeah way better than you

but but my my point that I they call me the jungle rat are you aware of anyway my my point being that the um in that kind of situation right that every perception is everyone's reality right and if they perceive that they're on the bottom then you just play into that she was she was on the bottom I'm saying even if she wasn't even in a world where I agree with you in the middle of your apology certainly to be like but I'm on the bottom now when it's like even more when that could have been a potential bonding point yeah like I I'm so sorry I made you feel like this it sucks yeah I understand or hey you were on the bottom you felt like you were on the bottom now you know how I'm feeling right now and so that's I just need I didn't mean for you to feel that way I'm so sorry that you did um actually because she doesn't want to say you were on the bottom because that's not good either but it's like we made you feel that way like I'm so sorry and I mean she is apologetic which is good but it's like but it's like it pains me to think that you felt that way especially now have you felt it this morning because this morning really sucks to me that kind of thing is why I'm not quite as high in Savannah as I think a lot of people are

because I think Savannah is getting lumped in with like Rizzo and Sof as part of this underdog crew of like oh playing this really strong game whereas I think I don't know that Savannah first of all I'm sure we'll talk about her jury equity because I'm not sure where she's kind of standing there and we're getting all these mean girl comments pop up and it's even in exit interviews

yeah yeah exactly and so there's clearly tangible things that Savannah's doing And I think we're seeing a little bit of it even, like, she definitely does have a little bit of that snarky energy in confessionals. And we see even moments of at best kind of cockiness on the beach. And then we see moments like that. Like there are clearly tangible issues with Savannah's social game. And I know that's coming from me, who is the master of the social game, statistically, probably statistically the worst social game as far as total votes gone over over a season if you're measuring it that way. but um but yeah

you play for 47 days there's so much but there's definitely really big laws I think in Savannah's game that we're not seeing in some of the other people on the seat that she's been compared with as far as playing this really strong game and how would she rebuild it in a final tribal council

the way that it's trying to be it's being rebuilt in the edit which is like again she talks about how it connects to her personally but and then you think okay well that actually might be great she can be like I was on top I was cocky I rub people the wrong way and I've really learned my life. That would be great. However, we saw her with Sage.

Yeah. Again, take her foot in it. Yeah. You don't want her to be to find a tribal council like, and then I really learned and no one else really understood it for me. Yeah. That was very concerning to me. That is not how she should have spoken to Sage.

Totally. Wasn't empathizing with her. I think what Savannah's done well is obviously like she's like physically protecting. Yes. By winning the immunities. I do think that a big part here of why Joanne and Samp stage might wrongly go with Alex is because

it's, I think, and they said this on No-It-All, so it's like, well, if we're going for Savannah or Rizzo, again, I mean, they can't split the vote. But if it's like, we'll just shoot on Savannah, that's better to me than a possibility of Sof or Sovi who they might think is with them. And that's like, again, a huge credit to Sof and Sovi for not being juicy enough targets or seeming as workable targets.

And it's the credit to Savannah for protecting herself. But I do really worry because if we look at this Oli group, we got a question from Matt Benjamin and kind of like, when should they turn? And I think it's really different compared, like, depending on who you are. If you're Savannah earlier, I wouldn't want to say next to Sof, they love Sof. They're pain to be taking out Sof. Christina hate that.

She's been cultivating something with Sophie C. Sage really likes Sof. Yeah. They like Sof so much and she's doing a great job because, again, they're originally bringing her in on a plan against Savannah and Rizzo, which is so bad from Hina, but so good from her. Yeah. That social game is great. I think she has the Kelear story, which is impressive.

she will talk about it, she has knowledge of power, so she could be doing something flashy as well, which Rizzo has been doing, I think Sof's in a great spot. I think that you'd be happy to sit next to Savannah. So I think Savannah needs to work quicker to sit next to maybe like a Christina or maybe a Sophie who also seems like she isn't as liked.

And I think like Alex talked about that, that she'd been rubbing people the wrong way as well. So I think that she has a much more narrow path. If you're Rizzo and Soth, I mean, definitely, they obviously have to win next week. And then maybe from there, Savannah has to be thinking about it. They can think about it later

at a six or a five just to kind of take out each other. Yeah. And then so was Savannah, whoever's left. Savannah and Sophie, wonderful opportunity there. And both look really impressive and both look, I don't know who's better at fire. But yeah, both be, I think, well liked. So I think there's a different way to look at it if you're Savannah because she's made it a harder jury position for herself.

Whereas I think Rizzo and Sof look great from a jury perspective and have much less to worry about. And now I'll just either like kind of win this battle and then like think about that later down the line. I think I'm a bit higher on Savannah's chances than you in that I think that there's a narrative building for Savannah where I think once you hit a point where you're just a constant target I mean we saw this with obviously Rachel we saw it a little bit with me I think once you hit a point where you're a constant target you build up a bit of respect even if the jury doesn't like you very much you build up a bit of respect and the jury just for surviving those votes and I think that Savannah being a more obvious target than Sophie. I think against Rizzo, that's rough. I don't think Savannah really has much against Rizzo, but against someone like Sof, um, Sof is someone who's slid under the radar a little bit more. And sure, she may have some big move with regards to the knowledge of power, which would catapult her up. But, um, as far as actual jury equity as it stands right now,

first of all, no one cares about premarge. No one cares at all about preemones. As much as I think it's unfair. I think it'd help Kenzie. Maybe, maybe. I think, I mean, like disaster tribe is just so extremely different to anything else. Like Sof had lived lives before Savannah had seen tribal council. Maybe, but as a general rule, pre-merge doesn't count for a lot. That's a narrative there. I think there's a real narrative there. Well, when you're talking about narrative, though,

I think that Savannah has an awesome narrative in which she's been in a spot where two kind of tribals in a row, she's been at significant risk and she's won immunities. And especially if she and Rizzo, because the thing is people aren't seeing, I don't think people are really seeing Sophie as... Sorry, Sof, as the core of that. Which is so impressive. She's doing so much good work by not being seen as the core of that. Yeah, here's the thing.

We're analysing this from the outside. We're not analysing this from the inside. When you're from the inside, and again, we saw this on my season with Kalin and I, right, the person who is playing the understated game is probably playing a better game, but you won't get the credit for it. I don't know that Sophie's going to be able to get the credit for it in the same way that Savannah will. And to be fair, Sophie definitely has the social side down more. But I think if you're talking narrative,

especially if she makes it to final three in a spot where her name's been constantly thrown out and she's been, and especially at the point where Rizzo's gone, and Savannah basically has claim for the whole Ouli post-merge, I think that like Savannah has a very killer narrative there. And I think it's probably close between her and Sof, but I wouldn't be writing her out.

Yeah, I think that obviously she did have Rizzo, vouching for her. She'd have Nate vouching for her. She'd have some people who never want to vote for her. Does Sage want to? Does Christina apparently want to ever? It's hard to come into a jury and there are like some people who will never vote for you. Yeah. But then there's also a few people who are really solid block votes for her as well. As long as she doesn't sit next to. It's funny because there's been a lot of

comparisons to poverty. And poverty, something I said about her before Australian Survivor versus the world was that when she was younger, she had kind of a social game that's more akin to Savannah where it's like you have your people and you take on the world and the people you're against don't like you.

Yeah, totally. But your group wins. And when they win, like the, you know, and to be fair, poverty did win and lose a jury vote. And they were close jury votes when she won and lost. You know, like, yeah. So I think that that would be Savannah story. And again, it could go either way,

the way it did for poverty. But I think it's about having, like what we used to say, like was poverty's clicks? I don't think that's true of Poverty now. I think that her social game in Australia v. The World chose that it was super comprehensive. Yeah.

Other than with Rob Bentalade and felt like a lot of that was on him. But I feel like part of that is just like maturity. Yeah, I completely agree. I completely agree. I mean, look, and Savannah I think is a bit older than Poverty was when she played her first few times. Well, yeah, poverty was like 23 or something. 23 to 26 crazy. But yeah, I think that that was like she was the Queen Bee.

And I think that's why people see that with Savannah. And that had shortcomings. It won and it lost. And, you know, in ways it's, people who the people didn't understand her but in ways of like deservedly lost I would have voted for poverty

I've always said but she was no friend of the heroes they would have quarter the mean girls yeah a mean girl and and um even in even in Micronesia when she won yeah that people were I mean she had outplayed like an Aussian obviously he's going to vote for Amanda

but he was mad but like yeah I think that people were like actively negative towards her in a way that you don't often find with some survivor winners that people just really love so that would be her story there's certainly a winner there and there was poverty and there's what can also be a loss but i do think it would be underrated

i think so it's been doing so well yeah um again yeah and so much of it is like subterfuge so like they aren't seeing it she'd have to speak to it yeah um she also does have knowledge is power yeah i'd love to talk about it as the only person who's ever actually stolen an idol um that could go a long way because for me with soph if she can use it and really cement herself as like no i was always with this allie three i'm also doing impressive things i had my own she hasn't even told anyone about knowledge of power. Well, she has a very obvious play available to her, which is ride to five with Rizzo. And then Rizzo will probably be the biggest threat in the game then. And then you steal his idol at five and then you win fire at full. Like, so, so. That's the

winning game. That's, yeah. If she does that, yeah, she beats anyone who she sits against. Like, that is the, and that is a perfect game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a hundred percent. If she's able to do that now it's a question. And she's never told them, which I do love. Yeah. Now, it's a question of whether she can keep. Her number one thing at the moment should be keep Rizzo's idol in the game. Keep Rizzo safe. So she keeps Rizzo safe to a final five. Rizzo does the thing that everyone does at final five, which is go to play the idol for himself. Savannah, it's not Savannah. Sof goes, yoy, I'm going to take this, votes out Rizzo and then literally doesn't, as long as she wins fire, it doesn't matter she beats everyone. Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of people think

that Sauf will need it next week, but you can just vote out like. like a sage or juan next week you know it doesn't need to be Christina who's also been like a lesser threat than a Stephen well she doesn't know

Christina yeah exactly so firstly she doesn't know it it would have to go through channels of like Sage who hasn't even told Joanne I don't know how I get how they

I think next week is the extra vote to be to be fair with Stephen now gone Sage has more ability to tell more people about it right because I think a big thing for Sage not telling anyone

was Stephen in the game well Stephen's still in the game what am I talking about I'm like what happened no Stephen told her sorry, I've gone my lines totally crossed. But yeah, yeah, I don't see any way in which the information gets from Sage and Steve.

And even if it did, don't vote for Christina. You want Christina around. Yeah, it seems like someone they could beat. Yeah, and in challenges as well. Yeah, 100%. I think that it would actually be better to go after like a Sage. Yeah, Joanna Sage.

Who has had a relationship with like a Sophie. So then you're cutting. I mean, you'd have to be able to do that. And Sophie would have to feel comfortable with it. Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, the reason it's hard is because it's a better choice. Yeah.

Certainly Sophie would want a Christina out. And, you know, hopefully you can get her to the point where she's taking out a bigger threat to you. And I definitely agree with you. If Sophie's going to use her knowledge as power in a game-winning way, it's not about using it for the group. You're doing well enough for the group. They don't want to target you.

They've been coming to you with plans. Like, that's been your part in the Ooli three. And Rizzo has his idol and he's convincing people and Savannah's unwell physically protecting. But you need to win with an individual. Especially if she's able to get to that spot and be like, you all were trying to flush Rizzo's idol and none of you can do it.

None of you guys like... That's so good. You let Rizzo have his idol. See, you're the knowledge of power whisperer because this is so good. I can see the moment. That's just been the best moment in the scene by far. That would genuinely be an old, like a top five survival.

That would be wonderful. No offense to Rizzo who we love. But yeah, if you get to the final five, it's like, well, why flush an idol when you can steal it? Yeah, 100%. Well, she's just in the... And no one knew she had it on the... And she found it with that group

and no one knew and they were all looking for it and she didn't tell anyone the whole time. Yeah, it's genuinely, she is in the... Initially, I was like, oh, how's she going to steal Christina's idol to try and get that? I love this. No, I don't think that's the best play here.

They've got a really clear path forward to get the numbers. And then if she can just get that... Literally, if she can be sitting at Final Five with Savannah, Rizzo, and just literally any two people. Ideally, like Christina and Joanne, maybe, or Christina and Sage, who knows, and just yoink and then beat win and fire.

That's a quote. She should literally, she should be spending all of her time practicing fire right now. That should be her. Because also, even if she isn't able to do that, she's not going to get voted out before, she's not going to get targeted before Rizzo and before Savannah, realistically. Yeah. Unless, to be fair, that would be a very smart move, I think, from Rizzo specifically, potentially, even not knowing that she has a higher.

Because I think that she's more of a jury threat. Yeah, yeah. But she just gets there with any combination of people in Rizzo, as long as there's like some people she can beat in fire. She's practiced as fire. Well, the challenge. She's been pretty good in challenges. Yeah, that's true.

That's true. It's not usually an endurance challenge. Well, I guess in that case, you can go, yeah, if you've got Christina there, you can go Savannah there because Savannah's being good at the endurance challenges. But yeah, you're right. final five on no final four

it's often like yeah final four it's often like yeah it's final four yeah it's an obstacle why can I think no it's uh no usually it's um sumotion it's emotion thereabouts no it's it's been obstacle courses a couple times

I remember 48 was like a like do this oh yeah yeah um but yeah you get to you get to that spot with Savannah's a great one there because she's not going to be as physical as you I don't think Christina's a great one to have there potentially Joanne and then I think you're in really pretty in that spot.

And she's been practicing fire for seven days straight. Man, that's like a Chris Underwood play, but you actually played the whole game. So, you played a lot of it. Why are you spending so much time practicing fire? No reason. I've got planned. I've gone. I also, everyone, everyone, one thing I do, hey, he's a little like sidetrack ramp.

Everyone being like, oh, they bring out and survival for so long. Why don't they don't know how to play, how to make fire? You've got so much other stuff to do out there that you're busy with. And especially, our season was specifically unique because I, literally was drying coconut husks every single day, but it kept raining. And so we literally couldn't practice fire on our season. So everyone on our season was like,

why does I don't know how to make fire? Because we couldn't practice because it was just raining constantly. I think they want people to practice like beforehand, like in their kitchen. Yeah, yeah, potentially. But it's not the same. It's not the same. You have way big a knife.

You have totally different stuff you're dealing with. It's not the same. And it's even more on these short seasons, right? Like when they're going to travel every single night, when do you have the time to practice making fire? You've got, and the thing is you've got your, fire making people, one or two people, and they are fast and the speed matters. So, yeah, I find that argument really frustrating. Now, it's a bit different for maybe someone like Surrey, who's

played, like, five times. Hey, there's three slander in my apartment, in my actual house. I will throw you out. You're not playing, but it's kind of ridiculous that after playing. She made that fire. Especially considering she has lost that fire before. She made that fire. Okay. It burned through the rope. So don't start with me. You will get kicked out of the apartment that you are alert to. too anyway with the cats but you're so welcome in our home but yeah sof is in i think a yeah especially because you didn't tell them about knowledge and power i think people keep getting concerned that like knowledge of power you should not and i don't know i'm biased like i i'm a hypocrite because i told a jay about the knowledge of power but you should not be talking to people about

well you shouldn't tell your number one ally with an idol it's like just in case that might be the idol i need this deal that might be the only one available to me yeah um yeah i love You should only be telling someone if you're then literally planning to use it in a move that needs them. Yeah, yeah. Right? Like, otherwise. I love that she's kept her options open because the fact that she hasn't told them shows that she's not necessarily just looking to like take out a hyena with it for the group. Yeah, and it makes, because also people don't always respect sitting behind a shield, right?

They sometimes you get to the end and you've sat behind the big player and the jury will vote for the person who is the underdog in over you, even though you've probably played a better game and that you've been safer. you've been more in control but because you've used the shield they don't respect your game as much if she does that it makes it much more deliberate as opposed to passive like no I kept him in the game

because he was essentially a free idol for me yeah 100% like all the things people say like well at least we know where the idol is it's like yes with your enemy who you can't take out of the game I really want this to happen yeah but so if is the one person who's like actually you know how you like

I actually did need to keep the idol in the game it was my idol genuinely if that if that happened I think this would go up to a good season That would be all-time, yeah. I mean, yeah, that thing that we've just created in our eyes. That would be a genuinely all-time of mood. Yeah, that's a hypothetical, fantasy plurality vote land.

And then maybe there's like a tie at final tribal council, like we're making things up. I'm sure. Should we do the chizzy? Yes, yes, I would love to. Take it away, Miles. Three, two. Oh, shit. Chizzy, chizzy, it's getting time chizzy.

Kind of chizzy. Is it that? Return your mug. I don't know the lyrics specifically. very upsetting um okay i'll give my points you said you hadn't thought about it and again return your mug um because it's our first recap which is crazy to think about um because we podcasted a lot yeah yeah we have um we did like the deep dive for six hours we did the loop podcast before australia versus world which also could have been in person we just didn't think about it yeah um

um we did so i feel this is your first chizzy point that you're giving out i'm gonna do three points to Mr. Rizzo, it speaks for herself. Yeah. Even on just keeping the idol alone, let alone like what he did with Joanne, which I actually think is legitimate. I'm going to give two points to Sophie. Yellow Sophie. This is important because there's going to be a lot of Sophie and my shifty points.

I like that she has, I think, really flip to the minority. I think that she has like leapfrog, Stajun Jawan in their estimation. There's something to be said about that recognition as well. I think, again, it's really easy from the outside to see it, but we see it all the time. a lot of players don't recognize when they're on the bottom of an alliance

and they just kind of coast through and there's something to be said for being able to recognize like, oh shit, they don't care about me. Yeah, and I think as well, the other thing is like,

in such a conservative season, like she's flipping to an apparent minority. Yeah. Right? I don't think the post merge has been conservative. Hina are conservative. Hina are conservative. Okay, fine.

So he's a Hina. So like, I think that any time that someone will like flip, like they talked about this with St. Jawan for the one vote that they actually flipped to Heena. It's like, well, what if they're on the bottom? It's like, well, they're definitely on the bottom of the other group.

Like, the best that they can do is go to another group and hope it's better. And, like, that's true with Sophie. Like, firstly, I mean, flipping to a four is good. Yeah. But also, yes, they're in a paraminority. Like, they should lose. She could be, fine. It's a four.

But, like, I think that she, I mean, she's certainly not with Hina. She's voted against Hina. So at least in this vote, that's what she's done. I think she's with Uli. I think it could be a great four. And even if they were meant to look at, like, the minority now, again, I'd rather risk that than be on the bottom of this Hina group that's doing nothing

for her. And the other part of that as well is that what am I saying? Oh yeah, well, so yeah, I think it's a better group for her. What am I saying? Well, the one bad thing was that she was too open about her spot, but it still works. Oh, that's what I was

going to say now the allergies are playing up. It's all going downhill. No, I was going to say that what am I saying? She's a better, it's a better group for her. Yeah, there's more shields. Oh, but the issue is, that's what I was going to say. My brain had started working again. Thank you. I blame the baby.

Sure. Yeah. Um, no, the, actually the toughest thing about it is, like, she could just get straight shot here. Yeah. But she doesn't. Like, the fact that she's doing well enough that Hina somehow are including her as a crucial vote on the split vote when actually what it should be is like, I actually want to play with Uli. It is a minority

for me, but I'll take that risk, but the risk is what if, like, Hina just come for me. And they, not only do they not, but they like protection for her as well. There's another physical threat in Savannah. You've got Rizzo who's got this big threat. But the thing is, even with Savannah immune, Rizzo apparently untouchable, when Hina

should come for her, and that should be the biggest risk of playing with the group she actually wants to play with. That should be her biggest risk in going to this group, that they, A, lose which they don't, and B, that they lose because she's the target. Yeah. And that doesn't even happen. The fact that they're relying on her as a crucial

split vote is, I think, super impressive and absurd. Okay, fine, my brain is back, which is wonderful. I'm just like not used to my notes being like actually highlighted and in person also I'm like now your allergy is coming out I also realize I'm pretty sure I changed when we had a break we now like the screen is smaller but I think we're doing well hopefully this is all recording I will give one vote to sof because I think that both she and Savannah protected here yeah and made it incorrectly I think for Sage and Joanne a less appealing vote.

Savannah protected physically, so if protected because they don't want to vote for her. That to me is more impressive than an immunity win. And then I also have my concerns about the fact that Savannah was again called a mean girl. I want to give Savannah points when she's not being called a mean girl. And I did give her points last week and I'm pretty sure she was still called a mean girl. And I think some of this is like concerningly valid from a social game perspective because even though the secret theme of Sage was last week, I watched it this week.

I'm a little bit concerned about it. So I'm giving that point to Sof. But yeah, I mean, this group of four that I think they will be, they only really need to worry about each other in ways that are impressive. They have so many trinkets, they're so likely to win immunity. You've got it on lock. So those are my points. All right.

I'm going to give three points to someone who pulled off a big move to that this week and also got, just had a really good episode. Got a good feed, Joanne, three points. What you want? He's my reading interest. No, I'm not. I'm not giving him three points to Juan. Yes, I got that from the entire podcast.

I'd give one negative points. No, we don't do negative points. Jo-Wan and Sage get negative points for an absolutely bizarre. Yes, it was bizarre. I'm going to look at the charts, actually. Three points to Rizzo. Like, three points to Rizzo, he just is playing incredibly. Genuinely, if he goes on to win this, I think it'll be,

have a very strong argument for the best new era game. Do you all be better, though? What? When so takes his eye on this. To be fair, I think if in that scenario, I think Sof has a very strong game. Oh, that'd be incredible. I think she's probably up there. She'd have, she'd have, she'd have, she'd have Marianne's, like, late game incredible move.

She'd have Kenzie's early game issues. Like, we cobble together all of the best parts of my premier year or winner. I'll go, um, the two points, I'll go Sophie. And the only reason why I'm not going Sophie is because I don't see, like, I don't really see it. winning end game for Sophie. Like, I think short term she's made the correct move, but I think she's just in a rough spot in that I don't think she's got a huge amount of win equity.

She's kind of joined the team of the people who all have big threat levels and have really strong games, right? That is a good point. But I also, like, I'm giving, I'll give one point to Sophie because I don't think there's any other option. I think that's the correct move.

But I'll give two points to Sof because I just think Sophie's in a great spot here. like I think no one's really looking at her but she has a great game she's got a great story she's got the knowledge is power like the three points has to go to riso but i think sov had a three point worthy episode as well um yeah and just sophy i am going sophy over savannah for the same reason where there are just concerns for me about savannah's social game and where she's at but she had a she had a pretty good episode otherwise she wanted to challenge she was safe yeah you got to Credit Sov that like every time someone gives her information,

she just does not tell them about knowledge as power. Yeah. Like I have an extra vote. Uh-huh. That's great. I was a news anchor. Okay. And everyone's giving her so much information.

Yeah, I have this. And she's just like, that alliance has been really good about being like, we're a group and we share everything and she's like, but not me. Yeah. I do think that's really good. I think for Sophie, you make a good point.

She is going to a group of people. Again, she's flipped to a technical minority, but they've solved that issue. but if they make it there's a lot of really tough people to beat but as you said there's no real other option it's also kind of that's more like of an issue in the past like this episode is good like in the past like she also wasn't going to beat Hina

like people didn't like her Hina on the jury aren't going to like her regardless of she flips and it's good because it gives her more of actual gameplay to kind of attest to like yeah what is her that is true and also like I mean I don't think that they might see it in themselves

but if she stands up there and they're like why did you flip she'd be like all that stuff you did yeah so yeah I mean what's her path I think her path is who can she bait at the end her path is winning and then like I think she bates christina at the end as in like her path is like winning this battle with really and then going with yeah and then like taking out the allergies I'm so sorry this is this is amazing what you've done here coming to my apartment and in an like an allergic environment and we took so long to that up um yeah her path I think you know if people hate Savannah that much

if she can really like make some moves happen if she can be the one to get credit for eventually taking out the Rizzo's on the sofs maybe with fire maybe whatever you know what I mean like I'd be really interested to know what people's a tough it's a tough path on Juan and Sage I think my instinct is

that Sage is seen as more strategic but Juan actually Alex said Jawan was seen as more strategic in his ex-interview he said he would always go to Jawan and it felt like Sage was just kind of chilling okay well potentially sage would be someone that she could be especially because we know Savannah doesn't really like

Sage and yeah yeah Jawan seems like a hard one just because he's so likable as well I think that maybe again like I think that if she can get credit for being like eventually Rizzo is going to become that guy where like anyone who takes him out Jesse style is going to be

get a lot in especially in the right final three is going to get a lot of credit so I think that's kind of it it's about winning this war with Uli and then having seven six five and fire to take out a big threat like at least Rizzo maybe more

that's the path. Yeah, yeah, I say that. And being a good final three. The problem is with like the Jesse situation, Gabler then sat next to essentially to public got because he's... Yeah, exactly. You have to be in a good final three.

But like I don't know... Sage and maybe Savannah, maybe Christina. Yeah, but a lot of people there have still played pretty active games in a way that I feel like the... If Stephen is destroyed, but he didn't just... No, but I assume one of Stephen or Christina

will probably go home next is my assumption. And so at best you've got one of them, you've got one, like, yeah, but we know Sophie likes Stephen more than he likes, she likes Christina. I mean, she's not a fan of either at the moment. And Stephen has a relationship with Joanne and Sage as well that potentially will keep him safe if they, like, because there's a potential here that the Oli's try and get Joanne and Sage to stay with them for the next vote just to keep some semblance of like the more working together and in that case

Stephen probably is safe and Christina is the target there and so it's probably one of them and then she's got to find someone else that she can beat and I feel like all of the Oolies have played pretty active pitchable games. Yeah, if they hate Savannah enough

or if Seijanj and Joanne and she has the credit from a riso perspective I think there's something that I won't say a lot I will say it has to be a credit to Sophie that they don't that the split is even conceived of and that they do this at all. As we're saying,

we have made the case for Sophie's Chiffy points through this podcast. How much Saj and Jawan think they might be relying on Sophie when I don't think they're reading that well? I mean, I don't know if it's a credit to her because she openly is like, I hate those guys. However, like the Hina people, however, there's a lot of like load bearing strategy then

on how much they need her and we'll be relying on her going forward. Yeah. How much they did in the split for Hina and how much they, how much St. and Juan are going forward, I think she's lacking, though, a little bit as narrative.

Like, I think someone... Oh, for sure. I think Savannah, for example, while she's not as well liked, has a way more pitchable narrative than Sophie. But Sophie's game is just beginning. I mean, she's turned on her group now and let's see how it goes.

Yeah, definitely. Definitely. We'll have to see where that goes. But yeah, so she'll get a lot. It's a hard road. But yeah, I think she's doing a lot in this episode. She was doing a lot for the fact

that they would split in this episode and she was doing a lot for the fact that St. Sheean Juan would do this at all going forward with the thought of a majority, which has to be her. Yeah. Savannah's playing a very fun game and it's like an exciting character and whatnot, but I don't know that it's quite as good of a game as some of the others that we're talking

about here, like especially the others in the bully four. Yeah, well, I mean, I'm looking at the cheesy charts now that I have from the Survivor fact checker. I suspect, I feel like Joanne still has some, even though he really messed up here, there's still some pretty good paths for Joanne Ford because I feel. like Sage will get targeted before him is my instinct. Well, not based on what Alex said. Well, because the targets don't necessarily happen on threat level, right? Like if Savannah is, because I feel like Savannah is one of the most vocal in that

awly side of things. And if she's driving the vote, she's going to drive it on Sage before she drives on Joanne, I feel like, especially if Rizzo has a good relationship with Joanne, I feel like Sage is the one who's- Although we have seen, we have seen Sage is closer to like that Steven. So it kind of depends, I mean, I guess that would be coming from Uli. Yeah. Yeah.

We're seeing, we're seeing Jawan clearly has something with Rizzo, right? And potentially goes the other way where Rizzo, when he's deciding out of Sage versus Juana, he goes, okay, we're going to take out Sage. And then once that duo is broken up, there's a path for him for it. Because I don't know that Sage has that, to be honest. I think Juan's probably got a little bit, I mean, they're both not super socially subtle. But I think Juan's probably got a bit more going on with him with his social game than Sage does to kind of scoot through.

I think the issues for me, like Sage seemed like she was more a pioneer in Joanne and Sage flipping to Hina. Obviously, she was on who was actually there in that swap and doing that again, Shannon. And I think that Jawan, now my cat is here to just close your whole throat up.

But I think that Joanne has felt like he is leading he is leading more of the Hina dissolution. So that makes him feel more active and it's certainly something Heena won't love at a final tribal council. And I also think I'm putting probably more deliberateness on Juana. There actually is there.

Like I think Joanne's played an all right game so far, but I don't know how deliberate it all is. I think like I'm putting on him actively navigating his way through. And especially I don't see Joanne being able to pitch his game well at final three. He doesn't strike me as someone who's got. Also, these like indefensible decisions. Well, he just doesn't strike me as someone that has, I think one of the biggest things for like a jury pitch at the end

is self-awareness, right? Awareness of how you're perceived. And he doesn't strike me as someone that really has a lot of that, to be honest. I mean, yeah. I mean, I do think he did have to be like dragged across the line when he was like so clearly on the bottom of all.

Yeah. That's not a great indication. Yeah, I think with Jo-Wan, he will be the one seen as the person who enabled Rizzo and that's just not going to look good. Yeah, that too. That is not going to look good

when it feels like, he's had that open communication with Rizzo in a way that Sage hasn't. And I think that if anyone's blaming anyone, so even Rizzo just getting through these two votes and who knows what else in the future, that'll look like Jawan and that will look really bad. And I think that that will fall at his feet

even though I would say like there are more people to blame, but like really is a lot of Juan. It feels. So I'm doing it. So like I think they would do the same. Just looking at the charts. Yeah, Sophie now is on 20 points. So she's leading, phase on 12

Rizzo's now gone up to 14 Alex left on 11 actually Steven's on 11 Savannah on 9 are not getting any from us so that's an interesting thing I think that's all pretty fair and Sophie now goes up to about 5 so yeah I mean sof

Blue Sof is in the lead by far Stephen is on 11 I think all of that is pretty fair I think Savannah's lower than you think but the thing is I don't again I don't think Savannah's played that great of the game so far Like what, like, I don't know what you'd be really giving.

Obviously, she controlled the swap tribe, right? And she had a lot of control in that early tribe. But, like, she hasn't really done that much, especially because the chizzy points, we had this on our season where I was getting 30, 30, 30, 30, 30. Like, the chizzy points, they benefit people who have really good standout moments. And she's had periods that have been decent. And then she's had a really bad vote with being the swap. the merge vote and then again

like two more votes that have been decent. Well waiting for her big like yeah the Rizzo type episode. Rizzo is having those big attention grabbing moments that Savannah's not and then so he's just beating her on content you've got other guys who played a lot more in the in the

pre-verch who like did a lot more actively like Sage as much as she's obviously blown up a game in the last two episodes. She was getting a lot of points for the Shannon paddle. She rightfully was getting a lot of votes all throughout the pre like in that smearge, yeah, yeah, and even, even through the second swap, yeah, yeah, yeah,

100%. Yeah, and like Stephen was controlling the yellow, so he's going to get all of the, all of them. Yeah, and he got a lot for also in the merge and taking, in getting over station jauna, like when he actually had that win, he got a lot of that. Yeah, so I think all of that makes sense, because really Savannah's game was, like,

was decent in a cruisy way that's not really going to get a huge amount of cheesy points, and then got bad, and then is now recovering, but still, isn't quite there yet. I agree. Well, should we end the podcast before your throat closes completely? Or should we?

Do you have anything you want to plug? Not really. I'm not doing a huge... Like, I'm on Instagram and on Twitter if you want to find me. I'm on Instagram at Miles Bois, and I'm on Twitter at Miles M-Quar. If you want Survivor thoughts,

Twitter is a place to go. I think you're on Blue Sky too, which is very rare for a Survivor player. Yeah, but I don't use it. Like I literally, Actually, let me tell you why I'm on blue sky because there's one guy on blue sky who does Survivor stats and he does really

amazing survivors. Yes, yes. Dan Oh, Hem is. And I love his Survivor stats. They look good. Yeah, amazing. And he's the only reason why I'm on Blue Sky. But if you follow me on Twitter, if you want by Survivor thoughts, I do tweet a lot of Survivor thoughts on there. So that's what you find me. Great. Well, you can follow me at Shannon Gates next week. I think I'm doing the B&B. I think that's what's happening. Gussing around, if you want people in this format with less allergy,

and a lot less survivor talk. Still a little bit of survivor talk. Some brand archive talk. Yeah, sometimes. Miles gets mentioned. Miles gets mentioned about how he knew the gender of our child before most people because Peter just told him by accident. Because I'm too good.

Pulling that information out. Actually, cut to that scene and Miles was just like, oh, okay, did you just say she? Peter was like, damn it, so good. So yeah, and what do we talk about this week? we talked about some of the, oh, we talked a lot about the media

we want our child to love and we'll force her to love. Um, Peter's a lot more lax. Like she can like what she likes. And I'm like, no, she'll like what I like because my taste is perfect.

So we talked about just, you know, following the journey that is gust and around. But yeah, at Shannon Gates for all of that, so I would global every week. I'll be talking about Wicked on the Tastmakers podcast as well,

which I'm seeing this weekend. And that's it. All right. The podcast is going to end now magically. It's going to magically end thank you all so much for being here and I will see you next time. Bye. The adventure of a lifetime in