RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor Global: Survivor 49 Episodes 6+7 with Eden Porter

Episode Date: November 10, 2025

Survivor Global host Shannon Guss speaks to Australian Survivor Titan Eden Porter about episodes 6 and 7 of Survivor 49, talking through the third swap and merge, idol plays and implicit immunity, hug politics and beyond

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One million pounds. Million of a million. Million of money. Hello everyone and welcome. I'm your host, Shannon Gus. Here from a week away, we're covering episode episode six and seven today, which is great, because it really was the arc of Sage and Joanne made it super convenient for us to talk about that in like one smooth motion. So we thank them for that convenience. But talk about it to recap it

all after a couple of weeks of podcasting. I have my great friend, an Australian survivor, Titan. It is Eden Porter. Eden, thank you for being here. Thank you very much for having me, Shan. Yes, great two episodes to chat about. They do seem like, yeah, kindred spirits, both these episodes running right into each other. almost a double episode you could have got away with doing this in saying that when we last left we were like two tribes ago like they have subsequently swathed and then merged so it feels like a long time ago but i think like even before i mean obviously even before i left it was already leading to sage is turning we knew what the new tribe dynamics would be in the swap

it looked really bad for shannon um and then honestly like a couple of minutes into this latest merge episode. I was like, God damn it, Nate is gone, which was so upsetting to me because I love Nate. But I was like, they're going to like shift it to Nate. Yeah, there was the safe vote, the safe vote of like, oh, he doesn't have anything. Yeah. We knew St. John Juan were out. So, I mean, I'm enjoying the, these last couple of episodes. I, I said this on the live RHAP show, glad to get the first non-unanimous vote of the season, glad to have someone actually left out of a vote, three people left out of the vote, which is great. Yeah. Yes. Yes. For the first time,

in the entire season, I would like if an episode like the most predictable person before the episode doesn't go home. It felt every vote has felt very much like this is the person that probably should go home

if everything is playing by the numbers and they do every time. Every single episode of the season, if you would have to like predict who is going home before the episode, like if you know the tribe designations. Yeah. And you're like it was pretty obvious.

bringing in who might lose a challenge. Like, I think the top person has gone home pretty much every time. If, like, at worst, like top three. It's never been like, oh,

but now I feel good because now I feel like you'd think Sophie Rizzo or Savannah, and I just don't think that's going to happen, right? So, I mean, this is not his game. It's not a hit his story.

It's the first time in this season that I'm feeling like, but I've said this a lot this season. I'm like, oh, the next episode's going to be good. Something's going to happen. It's going to be crazy. I've been thinking that I've been praying. to the Survivor Gods.

And then every time it's like, no, it's pretty straightforward. This is what's happening. But now, but this time will be different, Shannon. This time will actually be different. Well, I can tell you for a fact,

I've not been saying next week will be good. I've been very down on the season. But next week, I do believe. We'll be good. Yeah, thank you. We will get someone who doesn't seem like the obvious boot, either pre-episode or in the first couple of minutes.

Yeah. I was very upset to lose Nate. And so was why. Yeah. You know, he's a fan of Australian Survivor as well? I thought you were going to say, you know, he's a fan of Marvel, which is obviously... Well, obviously. No, but he's a fan of Australia and Survivor.

He was talking about your season. Then I was like, he might have, yeah, exactly. He might have, this might be happening. And then I thought, oh my God, we could talk movies together. This would be amazing. And then I thought, I wonder if he thought, saw me doing movie references. And he's like, that's the kind of guy I want to hang out with. And then, yeah, this is my dream.

Almost definitely. And the weird thing was that like, because those were the first interviews Mike put out. And it was Nate and Joanne. And they both talked about Australian Survivor and they both talked about Marvel. That's why it felt like it was so kismet that they would end up working together, which they obviously did not. Did not. Yeah. I think Nate loves you. He definitely watched his season and he loves movies. This is good. This is so good. This is, yeah, I'm going to have to try and get in contact with him. I can't get in contact with him. I can't find him anywhere. No, he's like really important. He's definitely got just like getting contact with him.

I don't know. I'll just fly over to America. I'll just see what he's doing. See what he's up to. you know. He also is like famously like he's not on social media. He doesn't know what like cinema mean. Ironically, he never says cinema. I know. He uses it in the correct terminology. Sorry, yes, because he is in in the cinematic business. But it's as we call. Yeah, a couple weeks off. I wanted to say thank you for everyone who came up to chat in San Francisco had a couple of nights of I was going to say a couple conversations. I had hundreds of conversations with the listeners and thank you for enjoying the coverage and people brought gifts for the baby. It was so sweet. Oh, that's so cute.

It was, you know, every time I go to one of these things, like, damn, this is the most special community. Loved every bit of that. I'd be remiss if I didn't say while I was away, they announced the cast of the next Australian Survivor season. Yes, yes. And obviously, a good friend of mine is on the cast, very excited to see one half of the invisible hand

back out on the island. I cannot wait to see how it all pans out. for my friend, Mark. And also, there's three other attorneys as well, which are all great people as well, but Mark is my boy. A lot in that. So rude.

So rude. I barely ever take vacation ever. Yeah. And this is early for a cast announcement, by the way. We're in November. I know. It's like,

should I be doing some podcasts on this? This is very early. This is very early. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what their game is, but they're getting people pumped. They're getting people excited.

for it. I don't know. Does this mean they're going to release it earlier? Who knows? God. I mean, if it comes out at the regular time, it's the worst possible time because I'm having a baby right in where that time would be. So it's kind of just like the first thing to be on. 50 is going to be on then as well. Yeah, having a baby like right around when 50 starts. That was on me. Like that one I knew, but I'm like kind of hoping that, um, that American, well, that Australian survivor could maybe shift around it even though it definitely won't. But I was like, oh, and then they did the class and now. So while I'm not even there in like you know with my head in the game and it's like that's the first inconvenient thing

about the season for my life and then it's like it's so annoying because they've made me invested because they have Brooke Harry Mark and Simon all the big names all the big names all the redemption they're all looking for redemption Shannon what do you think about this theme I mean it's it's such a stupid theme for newbies I know it's wild it's a great theme for returnies sure. Yeah, there's so many of us that need redemption and, like it goes on and on. But they've found, look, they've found people, they've found newbies that have things to overcome and to get redemption on and to get back at the world for.

So I don't know, I don't know. There's going to be some good sub stories, some good, I've lost my job and this, that and what else? What's the second thing? Other than I've lost my job. You trailed off there. Like you were going to say more. Like, yeah, someone.

Oh, I don't know, I'm going to be able to, so, I'm sorry. I look there's plenty of things to get rid of maybe you got divorced and now you're now you're your own person and you have to get back out there how much would it suck to be the ex-spouse in that redemption story it's not there but still bring them out for the loved ones visit well we've had we've kind of had couples on the rocks right I think yeah I mean I've never like I can't think of anyone in my life who like needs redemption it's not like a civilian thing the same way when they

cast like civilian villains. Civilians. That's what it should have. Civilians. Yeah, that was that was dumb as well. I was with some of those people a couple of weeks ago in Melbourne. That was, I don't know. What was that? What was, what was Frasier?

Wasn't he like real estate agent? That one actually speaks for herself. But like Mimi was saying, I was with her a couple weeks ago and she was like, her thing was like, I like fast cars. And it was like, there's not any. Such a villain. Yeah, I mean, they should have, like, they should have lent on it even, like, they could have had, like, murderers.

They should have, like, prison. This is like Hunger Game style now, Shamm, this is a different show completely. Yeah. And I like, I like it. People in Hunger Games are very much like the victims, but I do think that, um, yeah, this makes no sense. Such a Hunger Games defender, Shadden. They're actually, you know.

What about District 1 people? District 1 people are not victims. I'm sorry. They are of the capital still. I mean, there's a spectrum, but like, and they're kids, they're literally children. So, yes, they are. Okay, I will die on this hill. It also needs to be said that probably like a couple of weeks, maybe a few weeks before this cast went out.

We played an online game, me and you, called the Pallibrium, that Simon had organized, and we now know apparently to scope out the competition. He was hoping to get Mark to play, and Harry did play, Mark didn't play. Mark wasn't cut, Mark got really, Mark came on really late, though. Into the casting? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think, yeah, I think Brooke and Harry and those guys were, because Harry was meant to be on a couple of seasons.

Yeah. And he just missed out. So I think he was in the roller decks for a long time. But more importantly, we played this O-R-G and we were right or die allies. And then Eden was voted out. And that was over then. That's sort of my thing getting voted out, Chan. And I was heartbroken, but I had a right or die alliance with Eileen and with Harry.

And Eileen also, unfortunately, things went wrong. But Harry and I were the final two and then I won. And then Harry went on to Survivor with Simon. And I was like, ooh, I'm going to have so much opportunity to talk about this OIG the entire season until I have a baby. And I was like, this is my favorite thing because it's going to be relevant. Because Simon and Harry were playing. It was weeks before they went out, Matt. It's so weird that that happened.

and then they were both out there together. That is weird. No, Simon did it on purpose. That is sad. Well, that's diabolical then. It's not weird. Yes, it's very, very, very. The puppet master's Simon.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Much like the Hunger Games, children. Victim. You were, what's your favorite district, by the way, Shannon? 12. Who has it? No, what's the lumber? What about the lumber district or the fishing district?

I mean, District 12 isn't like how Gryffindore's actually. not the best house like just speak 12 like I don't know maybe I'm not a big enough Hunger Games fan but like I don't know I don't have like an I'm you know I just I'm a kind I'm a hungry games casual but I think it's a great series it's a great mate there's another one coming out oh there's another yeah oh I know about that yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so get get get ready man get ready get ready for should we talk about this season now this season yeah this season yeah this season of Survivor so we so what do you want to start what I mean yeah how you can I Can I ask one thing?

So, episode six, they do, what did, what did you think of doing the tribe swap again into three tribes of four? So bad. I didn't like that at all, Shaddon. I'm just going to say that. Voting, blocks of four people voting is not, no, it's not good. I mean, we want a four person vote, but not like this. We really monkey board that.

We really, like, they were like, oh, so it's a four person vote you want. It was like, pretty specific that we want the final four vote. they're like have all the final four votes in the world it's like we actually just want not we want big tribes early we want to get it down to small votes late just the standard way that votes work but no this was so claustrophobic in a way

that I don't like about the new era and even like Rob and Stephen were talking in that note or so that episode about like well why weren't they throwing challenges and we've spoken about that the whole season but you can't throw this challenge because there's nowhere to move if it's like they throw the challenge out to take out Nate what if he Rizzo passes in the Idol

what if he happens to have something what if he plays a shot in the dark because there's no splitable options they're not even a second person what if Christina tells Sophie that she's the deco vote and Sophie gets pissed off and gets Alisonate the vote off

but what if that happens it's well I mean I guess that's what production would say is that like it's so claustrophobic that that kind that that you know that's how those tensions

bear out we get a lot of that you know like I mean they could have done it with MC thrown it to take out MC and she would have had the idol so I mean I think it's just kind It limits options, but I guess it just builds that tension.

And that's what they think. It's like, the game is a monster, the show is a horror movie, there's nowhere to hide. It's like sometimes we want places to people to hide, you know? In the shadows and hide and sneak through and plant seeds and stuff. You can't plant seeds and you can't do that in such a small group. It's got to be, hey, this is the person we're going for. Let's do it. And that's it.

That's what we saw playing out. Like, Nate was dead in the water. Nate was dead in the water in that tribe. I really do feel like they wouldn't have flipped or done anything like that. They got lucky. The show got lucky in that we saw like the Sage Shannon Dynamic play out. And that's been made very entertaining by Sage. You know, that's again, it's like it's so classic new era where it's like production gets in its own way.

But then the show is cast well. And then like a character will do something fun and that's what Sage has been doing. Yeah, it's like despite itself, it still can work. If you have people, like, if Sage and Shannon aren't on the same tribe there, like, just this totally fall flat. Like, it's really hard to build something out of that without Shannon there. Like, it just, it really helps that Sage has, this was her coming out episode, really. This was when she was really starting to.

Yeah, she's had a few now. But she's, yeah, she's great. And what is, how do you feel about Sage? I think Sage, you know, has been carrying a lot of the season. she's brought the heat in a season that hasn't had a lot of heat you know and like they talk about like sage and juan flipping

and I know that there's been debate over the last couple of weeks as we talk through this like multi-week flip and it's like well aren't you just going from the bottom of Ouli to the bottom of Hina and honestly maybe but like you're playing the win you know like now we're taking the game in hand

and not just playing not to lose which is great you know like that's an actual swing and I actually do think it's better because it's like and it's like okay well heena's now a seven you've gone from it's the bottom of possibly the bottom of a six to a bottom of a seven but you're like cemented on the bottom of Ouli like that we know you've had weeks to work it out

like you're definitely at the bottom of that whereas Hina the cracks will bear out we have seen the Sophie Christina stuff I actually think having a slightly bigger group of seven is better for this because there's more dynamics and fractures that can happen in the seven I think that there's just potential there in a way that there isn't for Ouli and I think that Sage does

so well to make that happen so well to bring in Jawan. You'd love to see flips in twos. That's the best way to do it. You don't want to do it alone. No, never. Really has to drag Juan across the line. Even at the point where Shannon is coming for Jawan, poor loyal Jawan, who never did anything to Uli and was the most loyal person ever, it's still like, but maybe not. And she just does so well with that. Like, I think, you know, I think she's done amazing. The holidays are officially here. And sometimes it's more difficult to find the right gift for the person you love than it is to complete a number of random tasks to get a hidden immunity idol on Survivor.

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look, Shannon's actually coming for you. Shannon's doing this. Juan suddenly, it's like a light went on in his head because apparently Shannon had, Shannon had like told them sort of, yeah, I'm going back with Savannah and Rizzo and stuff like that and Nate and you guys can still be with. Like, it was very obvious in the way that Shannon was talking to them, that they were the five and six of that group. And I think it just took Joanne this long to really see it and really realize. But thank God he did, because it would have been, yeah, this is at least something interesting. And now I feel like this vote in particular was one of those votes that sort of brought them

together and really solidified them. Sometimes, sometimes votes, I don't know, even it's, even though it's not great going to tribal council here, but I feel like this has set this, these three up, the bottoms up alliance in it's really set them in stone by the way I hate the bottoms up alliance isn't I think it's terrible yeah it's I really don't care for it it doesn't doesn't it's not conducive to any theming you can't do any sort of puns on voting people out with it it's not great it's not great yeah are you with me with this I mean the bottom puns on a strand survivor are usually a lot more explicit yeah well so it's like you don't even taking it too it's like full potential

Thank you, JLP. Thank you very much. But Stephen's done a great job here getting in with these guys. And I think Stephen put in a lot of work with Joanne in terms of sort of nerding out with him and those two going off together and try and bro down. And then he's, Stephen's the one that's really got the connections in terms of being with MC, having the cross tribal alliance there. I think he's put himself in a really strong position as well,

being that linchpin between lots of different groups. It's a really perfect position to be in. Stephen really impressed me in how committed Shannon was to him. because Shannon, like I know all weeks past it and we're just beating a dead horse at this point or killing multiple chickens but like it was so self-defeating to go to protect Stephen

and she likes Stephen so much and was prioritising this like backup alliance that she had with him that she goes for Joanne in a world where she's going for Stephen I think Joanne like I mean I think Sage probably does get Juan over the line and that kind of feels where the power balance

of that duo is but she has a lot less to work with Like at the point where Shannon's coming for Joanne, now Sage and Juan would have to actively do like a 2-1-1 to vote out to see. To stay with someone who's voting for Joanne. Like it was a no-brainer. At the point where they just plain swing votes where Shannon's voting for Stephen, Stephen's voting for Shannon,

maybe Joanne does have more of the emphasis of that power. And she was just so committed to having her cake and eating it too. Like she was really playing both sides. And in her mind, Uli probably still do have the numbers because she's keeping Sage. That's a bad read on that situation. But she's keeping sage and then they have Sophie. So that's what? That's six Uli's with Sophie, blue Sophie.

I can't. But the Sophie we know, I think that's how we've been designating it on this podcast. And she thinks she can have her backup. But it's like she really was playing both sides in a way that they didn't really have to lie that much to extremify the fact that she wasn't prioritizing Uli. Like Uli wanted Joanne as a number. Like Uli have been down in numbers now based on the fact that Shannon, you know,

pushed them away and also wanted to vote one of them out. And I think a lot of that is a credit to how much Shannon connected with Stephen, who didn't even want to work with her, who immediately voted her out. So he did really good work there in making himself this, like, you know, real option for Shannon in her mind, even though he really wasn't. I actually think Joanne was the worst target for her to pick in this situation. I think because of Stephen and Joanne started to have a relationship, I actually think there's a much better chance if she could have got it across the line

to get everyone onto Sage. She's already been doing that in the previous. She sticks to her guns. She says, guys, you guys have something going on. I've got this. Let's go, Sage. Let's put it all together. Or even the flip side of that is, yeah, let Stephen go.

Say, we're going to stay together. Sage and Joanne, let's stay together. Let's just pile on Stephen, rah, rah, rah. Let's keep it strong. Let's keep it strong. I think Joanne is probably the worst person because Stephen sort of likes Juan. He's like, well, why am I voting out someone I sort of like? And then Sage has obviously been working with Joanne, wanting to turn Joanne.

against Shannon. Shannon just didn't have a good read on that a lot of the time. Like her reads on people were not great. And she, like Shannon in herself, I found Shannon really interesting as a quote unquote villain, right? So they talk about this fakeness and her sort of like leaning into God. Yeah. Well, let's do we let's open this up now because I think the, I think, I think what was missing from this to start connecting with like the audience and stuff because people didn't like it. they didn't like how it came across.

They thought it was fake. What she needed to do was just show a bit more of awareness, a bit more of, I would have loved to have seen a confessional where she said, yeah, I'm leading into this to get these people on board. I mean, then Shannon's a different human being. Yeah, well, evidently.

But there's got to be a part of you that the way that she was, she almost convinced, like there were points when she was like, oh, yes, Sage, now we can work together. This is so great. Sort of pretending like she wasn't trying to annihilate Sage in the previous. iterations of the tribe. She was literally saying,

oh, yeah, we couldn't be too friendly because people would see us as a pair and like, no, no, no, you were actively trying to get her out that whole time. Whereas I would have loved, I would have loved a confessional where she was sort of saying,

oh, yeah, look, I tried to get Shane and I tried to get Sage out there, but now I can't, so now she's on Mount, and like, and just explain where she was coming from. That would have made her much more interesting sort of villain.

I think people would have been more, would have endeared that more and gone like, oh yeah, she's great. But because that wasn't there, I think that's why, yeah, ultimately, no one's really that upset that Shannon's gone home. Well, I mean, firstly, yes, Juan was the worst target because Yuan had to be actively convinced to vote her out, even when she was targeting him. So, like, Juan was super loyal.

Sage hates her. So she couldn't have got Sage out, I don't think, but, you know, at least it would have been the right read on that dynamic. And Stephen, as well, like, Stephen, she's going fully to bat for, and it's not reciprocated, and actually doesn't seem to have been reciprocated the whole time. like Stephen would have voted her out in the last tribe as well and she's like really going to bat for him so it really like it wasn't the option and the fact that she would go to sage and be like we should vote out joan it was just like nothing going on there with with that group um yeah and i feel like the whole thing's been like an uly hina war and then she's like wanting to sacrifice at uly it's like she wants to work with stephen that's the wrong read because he's not even doing that but even in a world where that was a nice idea and stephen does want to work with her like you've now been like unfortunately put in the situation of this really small tribe where pushes come to shove and you can't have that backup and you have to kind of choose aside she was trying to have her cake and eat

it too and she actually had no cake um so i think yeah obviously that was the wrong thing to do she just invested so much in a relationship that wasn't there and even if it had been there wouldn't have been the right thing to do um in terms of shannon as a villain i come in here like every week defending shannon um we have very little in common for yeah the other fast-hawking talks too much Shannon in the survival world other than those things like no

if I was on the island is Shannon my cup of tea no but I had to think a lot about how she was saying she could remember the womb and I was like oh my god what do you what do you think

can you imagine if my baby remembers yeah if my baby remembers watching Shannon saying that she remembers being in the womb and there's some sort of like wombception happening

no you Shannon and I don't have a lot in common. The God stuff wouldn't vibe with me. The chances of me taking that the way Sage does very, very low. I mean, very high. I'm the sage in the situation, 100%.

Like, I'm not viving. You're not the same. No. People don't like Shannon. Possibly politically. Possibly because she seems kind of annoying. The God stuff. I get it.

Objectively, Shannon, like, is not the villain in the situation, I think. Like, if you really lay it out, like, I think Shannon was kind of genuine. And it's like, okay, yes, she was trying to take Sage out of the game and then would come back with her. It's like, all those things can be true. She had a bond with Sage that never really played out. And the first tribe, like Sage wasn't her priority.

And that's how that happened. In the second tribe, they have to turn on each other. Like, they're both on the bottom. There's nothing she can do. And in the third tribe, I think when she's like, I want to work with you, I think she means it. You know, and I think all those things can be true. And even if it is a bit fake, it's all.

in-game faith. It's all, there's nothing that Shannon ever did to Sage or to anyone that I think was malicious. Even the stuff that's like Sage was like she'd lean into the Jesus stuff and more like different spiritual stuff with everyone else. All that stuff can be true. Like spirituality, again, not for me, but for others might be complex, might be nuanced, might be varied. I don't think that to her it was fake. And then when I look at this dynamic, I think Sage is great TV. I don't think she's a bad person at all. But I'm like, you know, I see Shannon trying to work with her at times. Even when she's not trying to work with her, she's not pulling faces about her.

Sage is the one, right? Like, pulling faces. Sage is being edited as the hero in this situation. Of course, she's being edited as the hero. And she's great TV. And it's not that she's a bad person. But just like, if you actually look at this dynamic, there's one person who's like, I love you.

And even if it's fake, it's like, okay, I love you, but I'm not. working with you in the game. And there's another person who was like, I hate you personally, like, as your being. Do you know what I mean? And like, and it's very possible that Sage, I think incorrectly read malice or like a personal thing from Shannon because it came across as so fake. But I actually don't think that was there. I think if I see malice or personal, a personal approach, it's from Sage. And I don't see it from Shannon. And I never did, to be honest. Now, I think it still comes down on the fact that Shannon was targeting Sage hard in the last drive and then she never, yeah, I know she had to, but then to turn around and be like,

I love you, you're actually my spirit animal. This is like, that is a bridge too far. You need to look at that more logically. Yeah, you do. You need to look at it more logically and say, yeah, we're both on the bottom. We're fighting for our lives, but now we can build something different. Who's going to say that? Like a logical, like strategic survivor person is going to look at it.

that way. They're not going to suddenly turn around and be like, oh, I'm going to do kissy faces with you and you, you and me, it was, we were destined to be on this and it's all fine because you're not owning up to the fact that you targeted her. You're not owning up to it because you're trying to get, you're trying to get that by her. Okay. But even if that's true, what's the worst she did, try to target her in the game? Didn't prioritize her in the game. You know, that's all in game. I've always found all this stuff with Shannon. It's like, she's so fake. She'll find where people care about it, talk to them about it. I'm like, well, that is, to be there, you know, to human connection.

I'm not saying the Shannon played well. Again, I'm not saying, again, if I'm in the speech, I think that I feel this way, this way Sage does. And I don't have a good poker phase either. And people annoy me all the time. Like, I would be that person. But we say, we say that like, yeah, look, she finds something that people care about and she connects with it. But like, the facts are she didn't connect with Stephen. She didn't connect with Joanne. She didn't find that thing with Sage. These are all people that she was talking to about stuff. Look, could it have been different?

Her and Christina seem to have connected a bit more with that. I think there was an element of it. I think she was just unlucky to fall into a position with Sage twice, which is very unlucky. And not to be able to get back with Savannah, Riz and Nate. Although, I'm not actually too sure how strong, whether that was just an alliance of convenience, because you just made it on the first couple of days,

and then they stayed together or whether she was really tight. No, I think she was. She was really tight with Savannah. Yeah, with those, yeah, those guys. Yeah, and it's just, look, it's a shame at the end of the day that she didn't get back to them at any point.

I think for me, and this is going to be my hottest take. And I'm going to say it now. How? How? It's going to be hot. It's going to be hot. And it's also like two weeks delayed, right? People who have had this conversation.

I had this conversation many, many times in San Francisco, and people disagreed with me all over San Francisco. Just Golden Gate Bridge in the background. Alcat trousers there were just disagreeing. about this. I can picture it. Like the non-hug heard around the world, literally. Here we go.

Okay, ladies and gentlemen, we're on the hug. This is a dicey one. Okay, hit me. It was great TV. It was like the best moment of that season so far. And probably still, right? If you were to say what one moment defines the season so far, that is that, that is that, I think.

Okay, this is it the hottest takes so far, Shant. So, you know, say, it does make her a bad person not to hug Shannon but I think because it doesn't make her I'm just saying it doesn't make she's still a good person but I think that because we saw Shannon

so much as a villain it was like you you go girl and I was like this isn't a virtue like she should have hugged her I thought this was disrespectful like if anyone's disrespecting someone else here it is the person rejecting the hug now I know this is Dicey because it's like no one's entitled to a physical space

And I understand, but I think that it's, it's kind of part of, like for me, I don't see a hug is a huge physical investment. I guess that's different for everyone. In saying that, I feel like, you know, it's for me this whole culture and like Sage is a therapist, but there's like over-therapizing around like, I don't have the capacity to be there. And it's like, I understand that and I am a people pleaser, so maybe my boundaries are like two lax. But it's also like, we live in a society. You know what I mean? And like, hopefully like a society of like kindness and respect.

and that's why we have to sometimes have capacity for people sometimes beyond what we can or beyond what we want to. Like we do have physical gestures in the world the same way you might go up and shake someone's hand after winning a football game. Now, when people like get blindsided, you're hurt in that moment, you're shocked, you leave.

When people are upset, we think it's great TV and we totally understand it. Sage knew she would win, so she wasn't surprised, and she won. I didn't think it was gracious in victory. and it also came across as what has Shannon done to deserve this in the game she didn't prioritize you

and I think she was kind of humiliated on a national platform was she humiliated or was this just sage this is just sage going I actually just think this is sage she got so caught up in being held to sort of double standards and stuff like that and being disingenuous

because that's what she felt Shannon was like that was her main crux with Shannon that Shannon was disingenuous, that she was fake. And I think this is Sage trying to be like, no, I'm not like Shannon. I'm not fake. I'm not disingenuous. I'm not going to turn around and be like, oh my God, hey, bud, I love you so much. When she's just voted her out and she basically got her voted out in the game,

I think that's her thought process going, I don't want to be seen as fake and disingenuous by then turning around and being like, oh, yeah, I actually love you and have her leaving thinking that everything's okay when really. realistically, it was Sage that got rid of her. I think that's a lot of was. A couple of counterpoints. Firstly, she doesn't want to be fake. She's been doing the kissy face and then the eye rolls.

That has been fake. I think that's been faker than anything Shannon has done. Anything, any fakeness that Shannon has done, she's not aware of. That's my take. She's not been calculated enough or to be malicious. Like, it's not intentional. I think Shannon kind of is all of these things. And maybe my read on Shannon's bad.

Again, she's not someone that I would, usually kind of vibe with. But, like, to me, it's all a little bit more instinctive, even if it's contradictory. I think that's who Shannon is, and it might be frustrating. But I don't see her as being as intentional in a way that I actually think I do understand Sage a lot more, who is pulling those looks to the camera.

I also think accepting a hug from someone who's been voted out is completely innocuous. No one's like, I can't believe she hugged her. Like, accepting a hug from someone who is offering it to you is like no one would ever talk about that again. That's a completely innocuous thing because Sage said this in her interview with Dr. Ross. She was like, well, then that would be more embarrassing for Shannon to see how I spoke about her. And then I hugged her. It's like, no one would think about the hug. They would think about

the eye rolls to the camera. Like, we're way past that. But that's been the issue. I was like, yeah, to do the eye rolls and then hug her. The issue was, which is great TV. And again, I would be annoyed in that situation. It doesn't make stage a bad person. But I just, you do it. And I'm like, I think that deserved that level of rejection and of disrespect, of I think embarrassment, it's minor. But I think it's not like, for me, it's not a virtue. Like, if I went being more fake than she is,

you're putting that intentionality onto her that you might have because you don't understand maybe that she's not as malicious. because she's, I think, so instinctive in ways that maybe, you know, you kind of put how you would act on to her because you can't understand it. That's how I would feel. Because I don't understand that level of like, I don't understand Shannon, really. She's so different to me. But I really do believe for her. It's like, yeah, but I think for her really, it's all kind of true that she does love Sage. I do believe that. And she also wasn't working with, I think that all of that is true for her in a way that is not very malicious. And like, if Shannon's done terrible things to

Sage, reject the hug. It's like, are you joking right now? but I just didn't think I saw enough there. She was kind of an almost enemy, right? Like, we're talking about the reeds and stuff like that. And then for it to kind of end in that way, great TV, understandable from Sage. But to me, it's not a virtue. I think it just comes back to that, yeah,

that whole idea of like that overly therapy. Like, we found very too hard, too far, too close to the sun. Of just, like, what we're willing to give to people over, like, this is, you know, such a modern concept of, like, over, like, our own needs and that stuff's important. but I kind of think sometimes we push that too far and that's what this was to me. Is there now a hot take?

Is it, is it, is it now to talk about it two weeks later? It's, yeah, yeah. The seasons move so fast, you know? It's just like, I feel like that's been building up inside you for a while. I've been thinking because I argued about it in San Francisco and so many different times. And no one agreed with me except Peter. He was like, yeah, you should be gracious in victory.

I think that's what it was. He has to. He has to agree. No, no. You listen to agree. gussing around. Peter rarely agrees with me. They ran around the entire event in San Francisco getting people to say that they agree with him on our gussing around arguments. But in this, I think it's because she won. You know what I mean? Shannon tried to come for you in the game

and you beat her. Like you, it's done. Like you beat her. It was a resounding success. So you're saying the other, you flip the script and you and you go home and you go and you go to hug them and they go, no, I'm not hugging you. You just blindsided me. That's fine. Yeah, sure. I love. Of sure, of course. Of course, in that moment, you're hurt, you're shocked. Yeah, you can say, you know what? I don't need this. I don't need these hugs.

Yeah, being gracious and loss is obviously a virtue, but it's like, it is great TV when people feel that we've always spoken about that. But like, I don't judge people who are like, you know, I hope you get eaten by a freaking crocodile. Like, I, you know, that's the painful. But like, I think it's just like, you won, sage, you know what I mean? It's like, accept the hug and like, move on. Like, I don't, like, and if you've blindsided someone who's been awful to you and it's been personal, because rejecting the hug outside of the game

and I always come back to it's like the moment where you go to get your torch is actually you exist on two different planes one person's in the game one person's out of the game and that's why I'm like I hate what people give information and I think they should be trapped.

That's what I was going to say you can still be in the game you can still talk to everyone you can still do something in that moment but you're actually like in completely different worlds and for me if it's like at that point rejecting the hug

there's no game she's not on the jury that it's all outside of the game it's completely personal If Shannon has been so personal as to merit that personal rejection, I would see it. And maybe Sage thinks that. And maybe she's seeing that falseness and that's what she thinks. Like I could understand that because she has been fake to her. You know, she has been saying one thing to her and doing a different thing.

For me, that was in game and rejecting it was outside of the game. Not in a terrible way. It's not a horrible thing to do. I just wanted to talk about it because I think it's not like, again, like, you know, I said, like, if like Peter would have to go out there and like, would I be proud of him for like that and I thought no you know like I wouldn't be like yes you know that's anyway that's what I was thinking through two weeks of I love it I love when you get passionate about stuff shan oh and it very rarely happens it's made it's mainly about hugs

when else was it when else was it was about hugs all the time shad it's all the tugate all over again see the feedback to this because it is so sensitive to be like Shannon is entitled to like touch sage like I understand like because it's physical and like no one should be entitled to that but I kind of think like you know like sage was hugging her in the game she said this in the Dalton Ross interview she's like I need to I knew I needed to hug her even because I couldn't let on to her that my relationship with her deteriorated yeah yeah and it's like okay there was a purpose for that and there was a purpose for this like not humiliating her anyway it's been spoken about to death but that was just something I wanted to talk about

We're moving on from the hug. No, and another thing I'm going. Finn, Finn, Finn. Well, you think I went too far? I think I'm done. I think I'm done with Shannon. I think I'm willing to go to the next stuff. Let's go.

Let's go merge. Let's talk merge, Shan. Well, I mean, like, so what do you think about, like at this point, like, obviously they have to vote out Shannon and Sage and Juwan. And did you like them following it through to the big flip at the merge? Yes, yes, correct. So this is, so I just got to stay. start by saying, no more mergatory.

This is great. This is fantastic. We love that this is dead. We love this. This is dead. I like the mechanic of still doing the challenge and then half of them getting food and then doing an individual immunity challenge. I thought that was great.

I thought this is good. This is all good. No. This is all good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's like being like, you know, when you, like, you do they have like a shitty boyfriend

and he does something that's like just a regular thing to do? It's like, oh, they just normally emerge. It's like, that's just regular. they shouldn't be like complimented for just doing it. It's like, wow, my boyfriend texted me back. Like, yes. Shannon, they need to know when they've done something right. Break up with him if that's the case.

You know what I mean? If you have to celebrate. Shannon, you can change him. You can change him. Look at us. Look at this toxic relationship. All you've got to do is get married and have a kid. That will change him.

And also like, like then that's like you're finding the keys. into the group challenge, into the individual challenge. I'm like, it's kind of been like three challenges in a row. Did you like the key? Did you like the run around? I mean, it's all luck-based, and it's also so key dependent. And just, I mean, is running around trying to find keys good television? Has it ever been good television?

They love that. They love finding the auction money. They love, yeah, they love running around finding auction money. They love running around finding keys. When you think about it logically, though, any key on the path is not going to be the right key. going to be the keys further up because production want some faith, some keys that don't work there. So you've actually got to go further and find the keys that are a bit more hidden. Don't even bother with this piece of the track. Yeah. Yeah. So you got to leave them.

In the moment, it's hard to think like that because you see a key and you go, I just grab it. But it's never going to be that key right in front. It's never going to be that key. But then the advantage wasn't even that. Like they, are you getting the food. Yeah. She got the food. It's like winning reward. Yeah. That's like an individual reward challenge pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. But then finally, finally, finally. Finally, we've got everyone on the same playing field. But I just felt similar to you, almost instantly, we knew that Nate was probably going to go home at this point.

It was so early on when you knew, because we already knew that Sage and Joanne had flipped. And at that point, there's nothing that those three could have done. And the edit-wise, because of what we know, he did feel like the odd man out in that situation. I was like, and I was like, the way in my mind, I was like, oh, Nate's gone. in like the first section

and then they start saying it they haven't said his name yet and they start saying his name you're like oh no I think I mean a lot of this comes down to like the idols and bluffing with the idol and I love to talk about that

because Rizzo implemented implicit immunity in a way that I thought was very strong what I love about this I was actually thinking about this before is that like at the point where Rizzo was like I have an idol and I'm going to play it on someone you're like well he's definitely not going to play it on himself right

because like no one he's going to play the item himself is doing that like he's doing that to scare you so you don't vote for him so he's not going to play the idol on himself because he knows he's pushing votes away if he wanted to play the item himself he would draw votes to him he'd be like i'm never going to play it kind of what he was saying in cab in the hope that you take the shot and now he's negated all of the votes he's definitely like this agreement when there's like a non-sputable implicit immunity which is like you can't vote for me it's just you're just not going to do that and they're like you're definitely not going to play it on yourself but we're not going to going to vote for you. And it's just like, you have to shake hands and just like move forward, you know, because it's like, Rizzo actually at that point is the most open target. He's just definitely not going to play it on himself. But you're never going to think that he nor at that point are going to be like, that guy with the idol, we can't split the votes and we're just going to vote for him. Like, they're never going to do it, but he's definitely never to play it on himself. When you, when you say, I'm, I just think it's just too telegraphed. Like, when you say, I've got an idol and I'm going to play it on someone tonight, I just feel like

that is, that is the play of saying, I'm just trying to try and get through this without using it. Like, I'm just going to try and get through this tribal camp. Like, it's, it's so, otherwise you would just play it. You would just keep it to yourself and you would play it. You would, and it's a public, you can't keep it to yourself because it was a very public idol, but you could definitely be like, I'm not going to play it in the hope

to like have a bounce back to like actually in a game works. Yes, exactly, exactly. And so, but then why, was Rizzo and Nate just not as close? Because he didn't, it didn't, it never really seemed to come across that it could possibly go on that. Like, everyone everyone there was really, was

really convinced that Rizzo could play it on Savannah so and not and no one really thought that he could possibly play it on Nate so maybe it was just way more obvious that him and Savannah a bit closer and Nate really was sort of the odd man out most of the time out there well I think firstly in terms of like Rizzo saying he's going to play the idol he's definitely not going to play to himself but you also can't vote for him implicit immunity agreement but he's saying one of two things he's either trying to get votes off himself and then not played at all which is what happened. Yeah.

Or he's trying to narrow the options to win on the idle play. Because you're not going to vote for him. So now he's out. So now it's kind of between, yeah, pretty much a 50, 50, if you're not taking out the Sophie that we know. So you're trying to decide, okay, one of those other options, you know, like a safe bet. And like Nate is a safer bet to them because they're reading that relationship

because he probably could play it on Savannah. He's definitely not playing it on himself. he might not play it at all, but he might play it on Savannah. And I was thinking this, and I thought, you know, they seem pretty well fooled by Sage and Joanne. I think they thought they would win. But if you're Rizzo, do you play it on Nate? Do you play it on anyone else?

Because at the end of the day, you're either going to win six to five, in which case you don't need the idol, or you're about to lose seven to four. You need the backup. You need it for the next one. Exactly. So even if you save Nate, firstly, it could trigger an opposing idol play. You know that MCS is something. get it rived and you lose someone anyway.

But even if you win, all you've taken it to is a five, six. Like you're still losing, you've still incentivized this war further. Like I think better to take it down to lower numbers. Popina starts splitting and you have an idol. Even if it was Savannah, I mean, I always say ally over idle. But the caveat is like sometimes, you know, you're in a sinking ship. You know, your ally is not that helpful. So, yeah, I don't know that I would do that anyway.

So now he's now his idol becomes wow. more valuable because all one of them has to do now is win immunity and then you're in a position that yeah, then you can play that idol on the other one and then they have to really think about what they're doing moving forward. Yeah. Well, that's when it's more more valuable. Yeah. I mean, so there's the hope for Hina would be like, again, we can't vote out Rizzo. Like he's done a good job of making sure he's not the vote. So now he can't protect his idol and win or lose go forward with an idol. Hina would be thinking, okay, you know what? we'll get you next time because we can split a vote.

However, if someone would win immunity, then there would be no splitable options. But also, it's the final 10, right? So I guess that's the potential and the fear, because that could only go badly because I think I saw it like, and I think the three of them are all split up. So either the three of them all together, in which case, that's a terrible situation because that's three, two, or five, so one of you has to go terrible, or you'll split up two and one, in which case you can't split on the two, it's three to two.

Yeah, well, you can't, you can't, there's no one's to split with on the four to one. But if you're Rizzo, if you're Rizzo and you're the only one on that, on that split, then that's fun. Yeah, because you've got, you've got the idol. So then, then you see, you just plant seeds of like, well, I'm using the, So what are we doing? Inclusive immunity? Because who's going to go home?

Who's going to go home then? And then you don't play it. And they're like, you're probably not going to play it, but we can't vote for you. Yeah, because one of you guys is going home. That's the agreement.

Yeah, exactly. In a perfect world at 10, 7 to 3, they should be like very able to split. And I don't think it's going to be a double tribal next week, but it's going to be, I think, split. It might just be split for a ward. I did see group somewhere. But, I mean,

that's a lot worse for Hina. You've got to feel bad for Hina. Like they have comprehensively won and that's not going to be a good situation. No, but see, this is, this comes down, this comes down to the fact that it's never good to win, just win everything and just win, win, win, and have your whole tribe, like, still there.

It's, it's, it's, no, no, no. But at this point in the game, at the merge, it's never going to you, it's never going to pan out for you. You're always going to get everyone turning against you. The one thing that those guys didn't do, they didn't, they didn't maintain their align. first of all. They didn't, they didn't check in on, they didn't make Joanne. Like, Savannah made Joanne feel, I still can't believe Joanne hung around as long as he did, but they made,

like, she made Joanne feel like he was annoying her and he was always doing this stuff. And she didn't really play it off that well. She didn't really play it off as like, ha ha ha, oh, Joanne, this is really funny. She was like, no, this is really pissing me off, man. And then the other one, like, Sage, everyone, no one really connected with her. No one brought her in board. They just didn't, they only started doing that when they needed. to do it and when it was too late and it didn't feel genuine, you've got to have these people feeling like they're not five and six. They're actually, oh, it's you and me, one and two.

Savannah and Sage, you and me are actually the two here. Everyone else doesn't really matter. They didn't do that. And then in all these iterations of the merges and the swaps and everything like that, they never really connected outside of Sof, they never didn't really like seed any other strong connections there. And look, part of that was because three of them were on the same drive again. so they didn't have to make those connections

but then Nate by himself he didn't manage to bring anyone in he's probably the worst one to be on a group like that because he had trouble connecting with people so they never had that opportunity to build anything else with anyone else and ultimately that's where their game sort of fell apart

yeah I mean I totally agree I will say like to defend the juan of it all like he desperately didn't want to flip until Shannon was actively coming for him so I think like a lot of that is on Shannon Sage we've seen Savannah put off Sage early and if anything she went to Shannon and then Shannon went back to Savannah

it was so evident to them that they were on the bottom of a tribe where push never came to shove like I don't understand why it was so necessary for that to be evident yeah and I think as well something that I thought was interesting from both of the tribes with these swing votes

is how little they cared about the swing votes opinions it was like they were all in terms Bonally deciding. Nate's like conservative, but safe, go for Rizzo. And like, Sage is like, one still over for Savannah. They're like, shut up, Sage. They would do it.

Like, even he know who win it. And Oolie as well, like, we know that Joanne and Stephen. And the best we got that was that Nate said to Juwan, like, would you be okay voting for Stephen? They never were like, Joanne. What do you think? King and queen, like literal king makers? No.

No, they were just like, let's like have this little, you know, let's talk about this as a group here. and then we'll just tell Sajun Juan and both groups were like that. Yeah, it is funny that, like, ultimately, they read that they were ready to flip so well that they realized, yet these guys are out on this group. And so they then knew that whatever we tell them to do,

they're just going to jump on board because there's no other connection there. They didn't feel like they had to win them over. They were already done. They were already done. They were already out. So they picked up on that, which was really, and Stephen did a lot of hard work on Juan, I think.

I think Stephen gets a lot of credit. for really building that and bringing it across. Now, one thing I wanted to just check in with is the Alex and Sof of it all. This is Sof, we know, because they didn't end up voting together. And there was that one scene where Sof and Alex got back together and they had a talk and so felt that she knew what was going on and shared the numbers. And she said, look, I'm in this really good position. I've got this.

I'm going to try and get the votes away from you, Alex. And then we can work together. She was sort of like, I don't know, she was sort of dictating to him like, hey, this is what's happening. I'm in this really good spot. I think she was being genuine about it. She did still want to work with him. And then Alex just seemed to be totally checked out on Sof. He was like, yep, I actually know what's going on. I'm actually in this group and I'm not going to bring her in and I'm not going to tell her. What do you think about him just totally leaving her out to dry? I mean, he has a new Sophie now. Yeah, he's got the new Sophie. Yeah. The fact that the name

issue is like the biggest drama of the season. I thought that was so funny when they started on that. Should we just get rid on the Sophie's to make it easier? I'm like, imagine that. Imagine that's why you went home. Why were they struggling with this so hard? It's been 49 seasons.

We've had multiple people have the same names and they're like, what are we going to do? What are we going to do about this? It's like, I'm sure we can find some sort of solution to this problem, but it was such a big deal. I did love how Rizzo was like, it would make it just more convenient. That was like, it actively, like, worked

into why they would target, like, the Sophie we don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But what about Alex and Sophie? Get you and your crew to the big shows with GoTransit. Go connects to all the main concert venues like TD Coliseum in Hamilton and Scotia Bank Arena in Toronto, and Go makes it affordable with special e-ticket fares.

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I agree with you. I agree with you. I think like, you know, even in the last episode, in episode six, Christina's like, I have an amazing relationship with Alex. Like, well, what, you know, paraphrasing. But she was like, I'm really bonded so well with Alex. And then he, and like, Alex,

Sophie comes to Alex and it's like, should we take out Christina? like they have their own Hina beef that they're going to Alex about he's like a point person on that like we see so much about how Sof is integrated into Ooli but actually Alex is integrated really well into Hina

I think both even says it's like I had a good bond with Alice and to be fair it was like a bond of convenience like they weren't each other's last choice like Jake got medevacked Jeremiah had to go for reasons like they weren't the two they would have ended up with Hunger game style you know

like it just kind of ended up that way but they had trauma wandered through that. However, then they went off and just made like better connections that they actually actively would have chosen. And I think what was funny is that like they're both like,

I'm going to bring you across to the numbers. So if it's like, you're welcome. And Alex is like, you're welcome. I see their relationship as like they have better connections, more seamless connections, but I think they would protect each other individually. I think that if he'd actually come to a swing,

possible, or if they come to Alex and are like, Savannah or so, he's like Savannah, you know, and vice versa, if it gets to that. But I don't think that it's about choosing that one, again, you know, kind of unchosen connection over whole groups that you formed and are both so intillated so well in and have seemingly, like, seemingly connected so well with. It'll be interesting to see whether Sof holds anything against Alex for not saying, like, hey, you and me meant to be in this together. If you knew what was going to be. going on, you should have let me know, or whether she's going to be like, yep, you know what, I can see why you didn't want to do that and I wasn't the target. So thank you for that.

Let's keep working together or whether there's going to be that emotion there in the background going, yeah, look, he didn't actually, he didn't actually tell me. We don't actually have a strong connection. If we had a strong connection, he would have given me the heads up that something was happening. Well, beggars can't be chooses. Like she needs him. She can't be mad at him. Yeah, he needs to hope that her best bet is that you would think would be. that when Heena come together next time and say, who are we splitting on that he says not her? You know,

it has to be this kind of like behind the scenes connection, this kind of like individual defensive relationship. They were just like completely, they would just, you know, they spent all the time with the opposite tribes in this war. Like they were separated.

It's kind of beautiful if you think about it. It's kind of beautiful. It is. It's kind of beautiful. Yeah. Sofe has the knowledge is power as well. Yes. Which I think is really interesting.

Yeah, no, we haven't talked about this yet. But I think it's very interesting. No one knows about it, which is the ultimate position for the knowledge is power person to be in. No one is, no one is handing off idols to other people to hold them or anything like that at the moment. It's not on anyone's radar that anyone has this sort of thing. As soon as this gets out, it sort of becomes useless because everyone's just going to be moving idols around and stuff like that. But there is a position now where if they wanted to do, if they wanted to just get someone out and not worry about someone. and playing the idol and she can just try and steal an idol from MC and just use it straight away.

Yeah, no, no, but this is before, before she used it. They could have, you know, last, you know, the tribal before? You know, when they were in, um, when MC was the only one man, she was things to the idol, she could have just gone. That would have been a, that would have been so annoying. You know what? We're voting for you now. We're going to take your idol and then vote for it and she would have been done.

It would have been three advantages on a try before and it would have been. Not with how the game was designed. I don't think, but the, the, well, this game, this game was designed this way. I really thought that Sof should have taken the idol of the tribal council. Because you knew exactly where it was. It's golden opportunity. Great scene by the way. We happened to like Savannah launching at the Keys was, um, like a coiled Viper ready to strike.

She was, that was wild, absolutely wild. I love it because like as MC says, it's like she doesn't know what the keys are for. Like she doesn't have the box. It would just literally be to take it away from MC. I don't even know if that's legal. Like, me and my brother had a chat about this as well. Is that legal? Because then Savannah has the key, which is the only way that emcee,

the emcee doesn't have a vote still, so she just can't vote. But you can't steal someone's property. You can't steal someone's idol. But it's not someone's property. That's the thing. It's not an idol. It doesn't have any innate power in itself.

The key until she has it. Yeah. It's the equivalent of stealing someone's. Yeah. Well, it's the equivalent of someone's shoes. shoes. It's a shoe banded all over again. You shouldn't be able to do that. You shouldn't be able to do that. Slightly move it into the chuckle. Yeah, you're allowed to slightly move it, but you can't like throw the shoes in the ocean, even if this is that kind of happened before. You shouldn't

be allowed to do that. I guess it's fine because the key isn't hers yet. At that point, she could just be like, I have the key. I think M.C. would just straight up tackle her. Like, MC's very strong to be the key. And now I have the key. Although no, at the point where Savannah has her hands on it, it's like, it's Savannah's property. I think. And then I don't think MC can take it. This isn't like, you know, survive South Africa champions where they were, they could steal idols and they would wrestle over the idols. So I think at that point, like MC has a chest and Savannah has keys and neither of them allowed to take either of those things. And like now we've got

ourselves a situation. And now we're very entertaining. Yeah. And then it's just, yeah, it would be really interesting to see production what, how they, how they play that or they just let it go. They just say, yeah, well. Yeah, it would just, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's really, this is what happens when you start adding too many little things. Because I don't think that is there in terms of why they brought it in. I don't think that is their ultimate scenario that, oh, someone stops them from getting the idol by taking the key from them. I think it might be more a case of I'm on your side.

I've got the key. You've got that. Let's come together and use an idol. I don't know. Or maybe it's just a way for people to know who has the idol. So it makes using the knowledge with power easier. Yeah. I mean, I think they just like having these like dumb little tasks that take up the 90 minutes

of screen time. But you know what we would do on, when I saw more keys, I was like, what, do they have money in keys? Like, what is happening? It's like, someone was coming up with this episode while they like couldn't find their keys and they like had keys on the brain. It was an absurd amount of dedication to keys in one episode. I was like, I never see another again. This is exactly how the show keeps going. Some big key, some big key manufacturers put a lot of money in the back end of Survivor to try and keep them afloat.

Yeah, exactly. It's working. Have you ever spoken as much about keys? we have in the past week. Not since the TV show Amazing. Do you remember that? No. Oh, you don't when you were kids?

And they had to run in the maze. You need to find a key. And if you got the key behind the cactus, you won the Game Boys? Oh, Shannon, come on. Was it Australian and what year? It was filmed up in Sydney. This is like when I was in front.

Yeah, but you went to school here. You went to primary school here, didn't you? Yeah, from, yeah, what year was this? This is 19906 and 995. I don't live here then. I'm barely born at that. It also does a H-name you, but... Everyone else in the...

Oh, please don't. Don't. Yeah, that is making me feel old. Those in the chat of a certain age, you remember amazing and finding the keys and getting their game boys. I was two, and I was in South Africa. But I...

That is a pretty good reason. You were two inside Africa. I was going to say, like, the keys in Harry Potter. You know, that's what you think about that with like the, you know, in the philosophy story. But I was going to... In the room with all the keys flying around. Yeah.

The angry keys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the key podcast with Shannon and Ed. Sponsored by Keys. See, that's how they get you. That's truly what's happening. Like, Jeff owes money to Keys. That's what it has to be.

So Alicia Keys, maybe. Maybe there's like an Alicia Keys thing happening. Alicia Keys is differently. Something is happening because it's absurdly key base. But in, you know, an Australian Survivor, what we do, what MC does, if Savannah actually gets her hand on the Keys, sponsored by Keyes, keys, just smash the box, right? You just smashed the box.

I was just going to say, we've seen it before. We've seen Australia versus the world. We've seen Mark smashing boxes. This is what we do in Australia and survive. You just smash the box. It's easy. And you get it inside. We don't worry about the stuff.

Forgiveness, not permission. That's what we live by over here. I remember where we were at before we went to key sponsors. Oh, we were doing my knowledge is power. Yes, knowledge is power. So should Sofe have just stolen it now and used it on MC? Yes. M-key.

And my brain is broken. I don't, I don't, I'm going to disagree with you there, Shan. Disa-key. It's technically four in the morning for me. Oh my gosh. Shannon, Shannon's losing it. No, I think Sophie, I actually think Sophie, I know that she was just left out of this vote and she's on the wrong side of the numbers. I actually still think Sophie's in a really good position.

I think she is not going to be the target. She's not going to be the next couple of targets. They're not going to suddenly flip over to her. and start to, if anything, she's going to try and work with Alex and get in over there and then use that connection. Then Alex is going to feel a bit more powerful with another vote. Then they're going to start turning on MC and Stephen getting rid of these threats in that regard. But if she uses her knowledge is power now, I think it just raises her threat level so high

to be like, oh, wow, Sophie's doing all this stuff. She knows what's going on. She's got an idol now and everything like that. Suddenly she gets put on everyone's radar. I think she just needs to use the knowledge of the power at this perfect time just before just coming into the end game use it steal it have it for one use it for the next and then maybe win a challenge and then suddenly she's in the final like i just think there is a road for her now and i think if she uses it too early especially the fact that nobody knows about it

and this is going to look great in her final tribal council speech where she can wait into the perfect moment and she said like no one knew about this and i use my social connections to figure out where the idols were and then used it at the perfect time and all that sort of stuff i think yeah i i did yeah i think she should have held on to it i think it would have raised her to level way too high if she did it now. Other than Miles, like, no one's ever used knowledge of power correctly, right? Like, the odds of using it are quite high. The only thing that they have going for them is that I guess no one, like, it's not

at that era of like the old new era where knowledge of power was such a big thing and people always changing idols around. Yeah, yeah, it was pretty useless then, yeah. Eva had the opportunity to get knowledge as power and I don't think this cast had seen that. So it's like really not on the brain. in saying that I don't know if it raises a threat level so much I think her story is already amazing

like she played so much survivor before anyone had ever seen a tribal council I think just defensively like it's aggressive of course it's aggressive to steal someone's title but it's meant to be a war damas like and we have a war but it's a pretty chill war

I think just even defensively like you can play that tribal council even just so that MC can't play it because it would have been so annoying if they actually had the numbers they can't split in the group they think they have and it's like 6-5, well, she thinks she has Alex,

but they can't split 7-4-6-5. So, and they are worried that MC might play it on Stephen. We know MC and Stephen are very close. So I kind of thought that, I mean, like now, annoyingly, the idol is gone. So she doesn't even have an opportunity in the future. And she also risks in place directly. She's not going to still Rizzo.

That would be, that would be crazy. I mean, Rizzo's idols, right? That would be crazy. I mean, taking it from like from an ally So now she actually doesn't know like where the other like what stealable idol is and it was just such a golden opportunity to have it

just defensively I think I think that's kind of like to me that's like probably the best way you'll use it Well I don't think anyone's actually No one's actually used it that way have they No one's used it to go Okay we're going to vote this person out They might have an idol let's take their idol away from them

And then instantly vote them out I don't think anyone's done that yet Well we've always said that that's the best way that's the best way to use it, yeah. Well, I mean, it's a very powerful. That obviously is like dampening the skills of like an idol stealer, but like something like the idol nullifier, which is less powerful. We always said, just played on the person you're voting for.

You're either nullifying something or you're not, but they're definitely going home. Like, they're definitely vulnerable. So you could play it like that. This is what they did to Janet, didn't they? She had an idol. They nullified it and then they voted out. But my point is like, it doesn't matter if she had an idol.

Like the point is that you just like the nullifier is used just by being like, we as a majority are targeting this person. if you have an idol now you don't if you don't you don't either way you're going home um and i think we talk about the nullifier like that more the knowledge of power but i do think there was something there and also just because um it's just so hard to know where the idol is i thought that that you know like and it can be like a tribe idol you know if it's a war then let it be this war i don't think she has to take on so much of that person like grizzell has an idol she has knowledge of power like we're all about trinkets and we're trying it's more actually now that they have lost that war

actually better, like now she has a trinket and can maybe do something, but it's more like if they were going to win, she actually risked that they might lose, that they, that she might, like, MC might play the idol on Stephen. Yeah. Well, yeah, exactly. The, the other thing is, like, they thought they were coming, they, they thought they were going to win that last vote. Exactly. So it's for the assumption of the win. Yeah, exactly. It was probably less like, well, I don't need to play this now because we're going to get out, Stephen. This is all good. Everything's playing fine, then we can regroup and see what's happening in the future. No, because even more so it should be, we're going to win, let's ensure that win.

Now it's, if it's like we're going to lose, it's like, well, I could really use this in the future. Like, now I'm desperate. I think. I mean, they risk the fact that MC could have played it on Stephen. Well, yeah, but then, yeah, because they didn't, they all went, they all voted. They all voted Stephen, didn't they? Yeah, they can't split. Yeah, but I think they put enough fear in MC.

and it obviously worked that MC felt vulnerable. Even though MC had the votes, they worked hard enough to make her feel bad. And so I think that was their plan. And as far as I concerned, that worked. Because, yeah, she played on herself and Steven was, it was just that Sage and Joanne didn't come with them.

That is true. That is true. I mean, it is kind of like, you know, but I think as well as like if she doesn't have Alex and maybe she thinks she does, but if she doesn't have Alex, it's a 6-5. And if they lose that on a correct idol play, like now it's five five like those numbers actually are a bit tricky like they in their numbers like they actually needed to win and they they lost anyway but I think like yeah it's for the

assumption of the win that you think like this really puts this one through when I know where an idol is and I can just get rid of immediately like I don't and I don't have to put it you know I'll get rid of it next time you know what I mean like I just think there's something there but what did you think about emcee playing the idol because I thought like wow this is conservative hina are like a very conservative tribe yeah yeah yeah they they really are, aren't they at the end of the day? They're just doing, okay, what is the path of lease resistance? I actually think it was, I think it was fine for MC. Like the merge, you just want to get through the merge vote and just see the lay of the land because you don't know

until people vote whether they really with you. And if you can just get through it, I think it's better for her as well to not be like probably one of the strongest people out there and also have an idol at this point in the game because you're, again, your threat level is going to be massive. And it's going to be way more likely that people like your, your Sages and your Joans and your Alexes are going to end up turning on you. We've got a blindside MC because she's got an idol and she won't see it coming. And let's do that now rather than later. So I think that's there, I think it was good to just burn it and they just get everything back to normal, get through that vote. Now she knows that Sage and Joanne are with them at this point and that they

at least voted with them there. And so that solidifies everything. And you can still play up the whole Savannah's a big threat and Rizzo's got this and like you can still play that up in terms of their the enemy to target yeah I mean I get it like this is her first vote she's never met Jawan who's a key swing vote for her yeah and she's never voted at all let alone with Sage it's very conservative you know I mean it was Sophie Christina and MC that has not gone to tribal council yet yeah at the merge that is insane that they haven't really played the game yet. It's not insane. I think if you've seen MC.

Like, I think that that track, she really earned that. I think she probably was a common denominator. And, you know, Sophie also seems pretty strong. But I think to be, like, they were trying to get her to flush it. Like, she did play into their hands. You know what I mean? Like, it's never nice when there's a conversation, like, we'll make her paranoid to play the idol wrong.

And then she plays it. And it's like, it's safe. It's not, it's like, it is wrong. but it's like better saves and sorry but it's like when the opponent like wants it it doesn't feel great it's just like I get it it's not it's not like a terrible move better saves and sorry you can't claim it yeah you can't claim it as a move because it's like well no we did that to you yeah exactly yeah yeah and I mean like to be fair like so much has to go wrong like your side has to be wrong which they were like you have to not have

the numbers and you're being targeted it seems unlikely you'll go but I do think like he knows the type of tribe where they just watch their allies go on the swap tribe. I'm like, bye. Bye, Jason. I still can't believe that no one thought about throwing anything. No, I know. Just like, bye. And then they, even like, they voted out, Nate. And again, I like, I get it because they're not going to

vote for Rizzo. So they're probably not flushing the idol. Like, his chances of keeping the idol and just doing nothing are very high. And Nate, like, is also a good player. You know what I mean? Like, I think that the, the biggest missed opportunity for voting out Nate is that you're letting Rizzo keep his idol. You could do Savannah,

but it's more risky and Rizzo can still keep his idol. So it's kind of like, like, you go, like, Savannah's like a middle choice for me. Like, do you go like, Nate, in which case it's like a really safe bet, but like the idol likely be kept? Or do you go like, you just go for Rizzo, which again, no one's going to do and like really take the shot and maybe you like really go for goal, take out someone with an idol, which seems audacious. So I totally get why they did it.

I get it a lot more than not throwing challenges. But I'm just like, well, Hina are like, we will do. You know, like, and it kind of speaks to all their personality. of what I understand, like Sophie and Stephen, they're just like very practical, like, responsible people, I think. Very responsible. Because, and this flies in the face, and I just want to bring this up as well, this flies in the face of Jeff's little pep talk on 50, right?

So Jeff stops the game and he says, hey, by the way, guys, spots on 50 are open for business and you've got to do something now to try and get those spots. I, like, why not just win the season you're on? and play well there and do something there and not go, oh, yeah, I should do something to get on the next season. I don't know. I didn't like that thinking of let's almost throw this game away. Like, what are you guys doing to get on another season?

What's the big thing you're doing? This was very, I think this was evident that production felt that these safe bets were going on for a big part of the season. And this was done on purpose to try and get people to play a bit more interestingly and to do something and to take a shot at Savannah. or Rizzo or just something. But again, they didn't heed that warning. I guess Sage and Joanne had been like,

well, flipping is something interesting, so let's do that. But ultimately, yeah, it was really interesting. Yeah, yeah, guys, I'm doing my bit. I'm doing my part. I'm doing my part. Yeah. It's that concept of, I think, production were feeling that

and they've tried to get Jeff to sort of move people in the right direction. But I didn't like the fact that Jeff is breaking the wall at this point and telling people, yeah, do something now and get on 50, do something interesting. and you can get on 50 at this point. I didn't like it. It's the fact that they aired it.

They're like, we know the season's going badly. Like, we're going to show you that we have, how do you think the conversation is between the cast, like after that? Do you think they go back to camp and they're like, the season isn't going well? They're not only the season. Yeah, I think you do. Like, we, there was a point, I'll just, I'll just say this.

There's a point after a vote that was pretty straightforward in my season. Impossible. There was no straightforward vote in your entire season. I genuinely struggled to think about what. A lot of it. Nathan? There was one. Well, good.

Fairly. It's fine. It was pretty straightforward. There was not a lot of there. But it was, there was definitely some like, hey guys, like that was really boring.

That, like, one boring vote of 24. That was really boring. And we were like, oh, okay. And you sort of feel bad. You're like,

oh, God. But realistically, you're just playing the game to the best of your ability to go like, yet this is the optimal move here. But it does get in your head

of like, maybe I need to do something crazy. Maybe I need some big moveitis. And maybe I need to blow things up a little bit. And you start talking to other people and you go, yeah, let's do something. But it didn't work. In this situation, it didn't work. Jeff's little speech did not course correct everything.

Like, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Interesting. In are like, we hear you, Jeff, and we respectfully decline. Yeah, and I mean, it's sensible. Like, to be fair, that speech that Jeff gave is, you don't even have to tell me the behind the scenes. Like that is Australian Survivor.

We bring back attorneys all the time. Yeah. And we only give confessionals to people giving good entertainment. So people have to earn their spot in future seasons and also their airtime. And it definitely, and maybe the way they cast it as well, but like it definitely makes people play big. Yeah. Well, yeah.

I think people, people think about that. People think about like, oh, is this, well, you look, you look at people that, oh, yeah, this is what I want to do. I want to get on shows. And I want to have repeat opportunities less than I'm probably not going to win this season. But if I can do something crazy enough, I could get us back for future seasons. But then when are you actually winning? When are you actually going to win something?

Or you're just going to keep doing the crazy thing? In Australian Survivor, I think it's a lot less about winning. You have a 1 in 24 chance. The hope is you come back, you know, three times and five years. And, you know, and that you're a personality. I'm like, I'm not joking, you know, like, I think that is a big thing for Australian Survivor because there's so much returning opportunity versus in U.S. Survivor, like, they haven't had a returning season in a very long time. We're not in an era of returning. Yeah. Yeah, and like, and you have like, you know, one and 18 shot and now you're here at like, you know, some of you haven't even voted and it's the final 11. I'd be like, I'm probably going to push to the win. Thank you, though. I'm not going to vote for the person, like waving an idol around, you know, like just in case, even though he's never going to play on himself. So I think that, yeah, but I get Jeff saying it. the way they said it to you,

but a hundred times more. It's so weird. It's so weird that it was aired, though. But they're airing it is what are they're like, we agree with you. That's what's weird. Yeah. That's weird that they show Jeff talking it up

and being like, yeah. And yeah, that's very strange, very strange choice. I don't know. It's the fact that they were like, just reminder we're creating a TV show. These cameras are not for effect. Like this isn't an LRG we've just staged for you. And it's like, you can get on,

you can get on the next season if you do something crazy. Like, that's literally what he's saying. Do something crazy and get voted out and then we'll get you back because it was that crazy. Yeah. I don't know. Honestly, if you're like circling the drain and like things are looking dire, it's a good option. Yeah. It's a good option to do something bizarre, you know.

So who should, okay, love to gaspin or ask for a jacket? Who should do it? Who should do it? Well, no one's out of it yet. No, yeah, but who is? Who is the person that should do something? Absolutely crazy to guarantee a spot. Christina probably needs to do something.

You know, like Owen was saying this week, that Christina's looking at, like, getting a bit of go-tensual. The way they talk about her, like, she's such an easy option is never great. Yeah, do something crazy. What about others? Do you have a theory on why other Sophie has been purple?

Oh, other Sophie? Yeah, there's another Sophie. Sophie in a secret scene was saying how, like, the new Uli, last week, the new beach she was on. I think it was Uli Beach has really good fruit. And she was like, I love fruit. I'm like, the only thing I know about you is that that's not true.

So you can't be. So that's, yeah, I mean, Sophie should definitely do it. We were calling her the Sophie I don't know. If she's like, well, I'm being designated as other Sophie, though she claimed that name. She was like, that's Sophie. I'm Sophie. Yeah, yeah. I think, yeah, I think if I was the second Sophie on my season, I would be like,

I'd do something crazy. I don't know. I'll be the Sophie on 50, that's right. Then you'll be the only Sophie, exactly, the one true Sophie. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know what else was weird? And I wanted to bring this up because I saw that MC tweeted about this.

So last week, I know what you're going to say. I know what you're going to ask you it as well. It's really crazy because it's so evident. Yeah. Did you go back to watch it? I was, I mean, I covered like I watched both of these episodes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I'm like, you know when I'm on vacation and they announce the Australian Survivor cast?

It's like, I'm only half watching. And I don't have to go on stage and I'm like, what happened? No, but I watched both these episodes again in the last, you know, 24-showers. And yeah, so MC says to Rizzo, Sage told us that you have an idol, which is true. That is what happened. But there's no reason why MC would throw Sage under the bus. We see the story that Sage says Shannon was the one who told about the idol. And MC says it was completely frank and bitten, which is so like Australian Survivor coded.

and if you watch the scene that's really that's not Australian's five are obvious but like yeah that is clear like they don't show her talking at the point where she says the name it is a frank you can hear it it just logically is a frank and buy what a bizarre thing it doesn't make sense

for the story do you think they wanted to give do you think they wanted to give Sage the credit because I gassed in this episode when she said Shannon told about the idol I was like hoo-hoo she's really burying Shannon when she did that that was like quite an act of lie

but like obviously what happened was Hina all decided that that would be the story. And MC already kind of like did it last week. And they just thought that would be too much of a soft launch of that lie. Possibly. But it makes no sense. And it didn't happen. Oh, yeah, the soft launch of it.

It's like the first time that they want to do this as a lie, it needs to be when the bottoms up come together and go, this is what we're doing. And it makes more sense coming from stage as a TV moment. And like, rather than MC throwing Shannon under the bus when Shannon's about to go on a tribe that MC Rizel aren't even on right now. I think, yeah, I think it's honestly just it just makes sense from a story element. But that was so weird. I trust you as a survivor more than that.

It's true. It's such a little thing. It's such a weird little thing, isn't it? Yeah. Like, yeah. Compared to Australian survival where I don't trust anyone, any, anything anyone says, unless I watch their lips moving. I'll see people at the well and I'll hear things and it will have like, have the camera to their back and I'll be like, I don't know. Does this happen?

I'll give people too much grace. I'll be like they probably didn't say this. It's like, but then they did, you know, but like, I don't trust anything anyone says on Australian Survivor because they will do that, you know, 15 times a day. But you have Survivor, I expected more from you. That was crazy. It was crazy.

And then MC just going out there straight up saying like, yeah, this is actually what happened. Yeah, I'd be pissed off too. Imagine if I were to take this podcast with you now and start like editing things, you know, like different names. I'll just start covering my, and you can make me say whatever you want right now, Shannon, whatever you want. There you go.

Shannon is the best. That's like, yeah, that was wild. I don't know if I have more. Do you have more from the episodes before we get to doing two weeks of the Chizzy? No, I think that pretty much covers everything we wanted to talk about. Yeah, Jeff mentioning 50.

Yeah, yeah, it's pretty much everything there. We can get to the Christmas point. Fifth key. That's right. Once in my Cues. Here we go. Survivor 50, sponsored by keys. When I was on stage, I was in the old school panel in the,

you guys can watch it. I'm the RGP live show and I asked Jenna Lewis if she thought when she was filming Bwarnio that like so much of the evolution would be so key base. Did you think that's where the show was going?

Did you think we'd be relying on big key? Key to get us through? Yeah, exactly. Oh, that's so good. We make fun of the keys, but they are keeping the show in business. Okay, they're keeping the lights on. They're keeping the lights on.

And we appreciate them for that. All right. Let's do two jizzies. Okay. Take away, Jaguar, Seigo, Weinstein, an MC color. One, two, three. One, one, one, three, one, one, three, one, two, one, two, three. It's getting, it's getting, it's getting, it's getting, kind of chisie.

Three, two, one. All right. I've got, that is a great. That pumps you up for giving points. Um, see, episode six. Yeah. Um, my chisies are going to be, like, very similar. I've got, like, three names.

I've got, yeah, I've got some names. I've got, I've got, I've got, I've got. You give me what you want. I've got episode six names. Episode six names. I have three people. I have Sage. I have Stephen and I have Blue Sophie.

Okay. Talk me through it. Okay. So Sage, I think Sage did a lot to write the ship in terms of Joanne. I think that was pretty obvious. I think she basically gave Joanne the lay of the land and she set everything up there. I think Stephen did a really good job as well of getting Joanne on side, creating a relationship there, and getting through what seemed like a red versus yellow whitewash.

And then so in that, I think that's when she got her knowledge as power. That's when she found that one, I think. And I just feel like she solidified herself with Savannah and Rizzo. She locked in there. She found a knowledge's power, kept it to herself. I think that that gives her one point in my book. Why not Joanne? Because

Juan is being led to water. That's true. It had to be pushed to water. If Joanne had pushed or if Geron had been the one that sort of said, you know what? I think Shannon's not being completely on board. I think if he was more active in it,

because again, we see the confessional of Stephen saying, I'm trying to get in with Joanne. I'm trying to connect with Joanne and build something there. And Joanne sort of feeding into that. I just felt he was very passive in that situation. I feel like Sage used him, Stephen, got him on board,

and I think he didn't pick up the Shannon was after him until someone literally set him down and told him. I don't think that deserves one point. I'm sorry. Such a good point. Like I wanted to give three to Sage that so well brought in Juwan, was the right decision, then two to Stephen, especially for how much,

like Shannon's unforced error of protecting him really helped him um and also connecting with joan then the one i was going to give to juan you know he does the right thing and i think that like you know even like in listening to the know at alls that week like they were kind of concerned like what if juan's like a communal boot or you know now like you have no one but actually they were both like sage and juan were both really like immediately empowered his swings just by not caring about their opinion but they were in a powerful position um man he really had to be led to it and i don't even led like push to it yeah But I don't know that, like, who else?

Who else would I really? How can I give, you know what? I'm going to take away the point for Joanne because you've convinced me so well on that episode. I'm sorry, Joanne. I'm going to give a point to, but you're so right. You're so right. Because for me, it's not, like,

for me it's the fact that, like, Sage came to Joana was like, Shannon's coming for you. And he was like, but even so. He's too nice for his own way. Yeah, but it is so. Who hasn't come for someone before? Who can blame her? he was so

Uli strong they were so done with him and he was the most loyal person ever he had to be dragged by the hand you're right I can't give it a point I will give a point to Alex I want to commend

where Alex has been in Hina that has been so underedited or like kind of just unnoticed it's the fact that Christina would like talk about him so positively and Sophie will be like maybe we go for Christina and he's like the like linchpin there

he's the swing yeah Yeah, yeah. And I think he has these really good Hina relationships. I think he's, now that Hina is one, and he has so far as an option, I think Alex has set up very well in what we see. So I'll give Alex the point there. Yeah, very good point. And then, so what, literally, and then episode seven,

what were you thinking for episode? Yeah, episode seven was a bit harder. I think, I still think, I think Stephen gets my three here. I think he, again, he's sort of the connective tissue with the bottoms up alliance. He's getting back with MC. He's pulling these guys together. He could go sort of either way. So I think he's in a really good position.

I think he did enough this episode. Then I've got, I'm not sure which way to go here because I've got MC in there because I didn't think she got her idol. I think she played it as best she could. He got her idol and she lost, right? Like, it was like immediately like Grandpa Simpson mean that idol. But sure, yeah. And then yellow Sophie, I thought she has become the new Sophie and Alex's world.

She won immunity. But I'm just not sure whether we're giving Sophie 2 and MC1 or MC2 and Sophie 1. Hmm. Where are you at? Anyone else pop up for you? Yeah, I was going to give Stephen 3. I think that, like, he no won. And Stephen did that.

Yeah, yes. Talk about it. And, like, you know, push games and stuff like, from the beginning, from the fact that Sage was coming to him early, Shannon was coming into him early. I think he, we said this at the time. Like he made the right decision about who to go with between Sage and Shannon. Even though Shannon was committed to him, she was still playing both sides. Whereas, you know, I think even Shannon said this in the exit of you. She was like, you know, I had my options open. Sage could fully commit. And I'm like, yeah, that's what we said.

So, you know, he chose the person who could fully commit, bonded with you want on that. And all of these things were playing out to get to this big win. I think he did a lot of heavy lifting here for he and I. So I'm definitely giving three points to Stephen. I was going to give two points to Jawan here and I actually won't take them away because while it had to be pushed into Shannon vote then he was all in you know and I think he's doing a lot of the heavy lifting like like you know Nate says well we were kind of concerned about sage and Jawan like they had also just voted out Shannon like their cover story was very good but in saying that you still have to be like yeah this is weird um and I

Again, like, even if all they can do is trust those relationships. Like, again, even if Rizzo thinks they're going to lose, it's probably not best film to even play the idol. He's got in the votes off himself. I don't know if it changes, but I do think that they seemed, there were enough confessionals where they seemed to buy at least more than 50%. And you have to give, not Alex,

but you have to give Stasian Juana's swings that credit. And especially the one who spent more time with them. You know, like, Juwan, I think is having to do a lot of that heavy lifting. And now he's like all in. He goes from having to be. convinced to take out Shannon to like fully being all in on the spot on the upper lines.

I'm sorry, I know you know the name. I think there's enough there and I'm going to give the credit for him flipping to what is better for him in this episode with two points. And then I was going to give a point to say because Stasia's been worth him so high.

You know, Sajia is doing that. Yeah, I thought about those two as well but then like we sort of mentioned it in the episode where I feel like they didn't have any say on who went home. I feel like they,

that's why I'm giving more points to Hina in that regard because I feel like those guys were the ones that were deciding on the target. And I don't think... But they're choosing which side wins. Like at the end of the day, the way the pieces are rearranged on the board is one part. But which active side wins is all them.

That's much bigger than which person goes home from the side that they choose. Yeah, but if you want someone to go home and they don't go home, like that's a black market against something. I mean, I guess. It's like, you know, Sage one Savannah. Nate's also a big threat. And the idol can still be kept for both of them. By risk.

So I don't, I just, I don't, I don't think to me it matters as much of the fact that they made a flip. That was good for them that I agree with. And they did the work for it. It's definitely good for them. It's definitely great for them. I mean, yeah, I mean, I think that obviously, yeah, Uli have to trust them. But I think they also did trust them. I think that's impressive.

But so, okay, but you want to do Sophie and MC. I'm going, I'm doing Sophie. Yeah, I'm doing Sophie to an MC one. Yeah, MC, I mean, I feel like, you know, like she, she played that. And I think playing the idol is fine, but I'm not like commending it. It's fine. I mean, like, you're giving a point to MC when they, when they said like, they said they wanted her to play it and she did, right?

Like, yeah, that's true. That's true. But it's also kind of doesn't really matter. And I'm going to take, take a point away from MC or what? I don't know, I don't want MC. Yeah, let me do this. Good, we can do this. You did this for me if you want.

MC, like, it was, again, like, it's not a game losing move. It's very conservative. And it wasn't really necessary. Someone from Hina just, like, I just, it's just so conservative. I think it, I think it gets a target off her back. I think she, I think it lowers, because everyone, everyone knew that she had an idol. Now I'm going to keep it. I'm going to keep it.

I'm going to keep it. Whose fault is that? Why was she standing there like that? Have some decorum emce. Okay, okay, correct me if I'm wrong. does she not have the clue in her mouth? She's like putting her hair up. She's like doing something with her hair.

And then you turn around and someone's like, oh, there's a bit of paper in your mouth. Follow it. You've got to eat it. You've got to go, you go, you know, when you turn around and you go, hmm. MC has confessions where she's like, what are you meant to do? It's like, I could think of something. That paper's going to go one of two ways.

She should have just gone like that, just straight in. And then just gone, hmm. But they're just paper in your mouth, like, mm-mm, mm-mm, yeah. Look, in Survive South Africa, they ate a clue. I'm sorry, if you're not prepared to eat the clue, why are you on the show? That will get you on 50. She ate the clue, ladies and gentlemen. If she eats the clue, maybe she gets away with it, and she's on 50.

It's a great move, and she's getting a chizzy point from me. And she's looking, yeah, eat the clue and then do the down the barrel, the camera, like, nod. Like, you've just, yeah, you get on 50 if you do that. Werner, when he ate the clue, was dunking it in water to soften it. I don't think you can just straight up. I don't think that you can just, from what I understand, you can't just like, just water on. I've got a clue. I've got a clue for my idle hunt.

Right now, I get on 50. You've brought up to another podcast. I'll do a separate podcast if we get enough views and I'll eat the clothes. You heard it here first. You heard it here first. now this is content chef you don't have to eat like a piece of survivor memorabilia like you can just eat regular piece of paper

I would take that you've got a real the real laminated waxy like disgusting clothes you can force it down if you want to get on 50 that's the thing yeah that's what like this is what they've got me screaming at the TV I'm like throw a damn challenge eat the clue

yeah do something I'm just like have these unfair expectations There's got to be something huge coming. There has to be something. That's the only reason why they show Jeff having that conversation because he said do something crazy and they're telling the audience something crazy is going to happen. That's what they're, that's the foreshadowing. Right, like two people are going to get on 50.

We know that. They announced it already. We know that. Crazy order to put that in. Crazy order to put that in. I was like, if you do something big, you could still get on 50. And in the order of operations of us seeing it,

we know two people. And you already know two people. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, yes, something's going to happen. Something's going to happen, people. If it's not clue eating, I don't want it. Eden, this is always, it's so fun with you all the time.

It's always fun. It's always fun. I've had such a great time, which is, it's just so much fun to talk to you. Thank you for the catch up. Thank you for the ketchup episodes. It's always fun, Shan. I love, I love the Rhab community. I love sharing my Survivor fun times.

I apologize. I talked about the non-haping. hug that happened two weeks ago for one full hour. Yeah, exactly. Don't wait, we still got about 31 minutes of good content. That was good content. That was good content. Okay, I don't know if anyone else was talking about this last week. I wasn't listening because I was away.

It will be like, hug. What is she talking about? I don't remember that. No, that was the biggest moment of the season. I do believe that. Yeah, it was. If MC ate the clue, that would have been the biggest moment. But yeah, the hug's still up there.

Yeah, you're right. It's been a low bar. It wasn't a hug. It was a non-hug. The hug that didn't happen 10 days ago. The hug not heard around the world. Yeah. I agree.

I stand by. Were you just going to say I agree with myself? No, yeah, I do. I stand by it. It was worth talking about. I also, I'm sorry that so much of this was key base, but that's how I get my paycheck. It's seamless. It's seamless on the show and it's seamless in the photograph.

Look, we're locked in now. close the doors. It's all happened. There we go. Keedon. Keaton. Keaton. Tell the people where they can...

You podcast about the show every week. You talk about hugs that don't happen at the time. At the time. Come on. If you love this, if you love this people, give us a follow. Give us a shout out on Survivor debrief. Me and Joshua Porta on my real-life brother, break down every episode.

It's been fun times doing... American Survivor. Josh, Josh was a big fan as well, but then he fell off, and so he's come back to the fold now to our podcast with us, just in time for some big boys. But yeah, it's really fun. So Survivor debrief, give us a follow. Yeah, if you could. And I've also got Council Movie Report. We just finished the last season where we take unmade Hollywood scripts and we do basically audio dramas based on them and we talk through why they didn't get made. Check is out on Canceled Movie Report. But yeah, that's, you just hit me up on Eden Porter 1 on the old Instagram.

Do you want to have a chat as well? You're a busy man and yet you're here, which I appreciate. Yeah, I have stuff. What do I have? Well, next week we're going to have global survival. It's actually now just in a few days. I'm looking, I need to lock it in, but I think we're going to do a stockwash crossover with Taryn, which is so lovely.

It was just with him in San Francisco, spending time with him. So we're going to do probably, I think that'll be that. And then Gus and Around took a week hiatus. Usually we record on a Monday night, but instead I'm doing this. Sorry, Peter. It's fine. He's asleep. He's so jet-leg.

He could not have done it. So it was great. Also, this comes first. But we do have Gus and Around. We're going to record that tomorrow, but we'll talk about our trip. Thank you to all the people who came up and said they were watching and listening to Gussing Around. It really means a lot.

So, yeah, Gus and Around podcast on YouTube, Spotify. Apple at Shannon Gates for everything on Instagram, Twitter, Blue Sky. I think that is it. I think we did it. It's pretty good. Zippy two episodes. Boom,

ladies and gentlemen. Oh yeah, and you can check out the San Francisco live show. My panel was at the end. Fast forward to the end, people. That's the way the good shit happens. No, no, watch the whole thing, but I'm just saying stay to the end.

It's like, definitely, you know, doing like, it's not fair. I was like, what am I going to say after all of these people have spoken? Everything's been said. And yet we still did this whole podcast on it. So, but a lot of hug talk. But anyway, Eden, lovely as always.

Thank you. Until next time, Shannon, I will count down the days. Yeah, when will the next time be, though? Mate, it's your show. You could be next week if you wanted it to. Let's do it. Roll it back. Yeah.

Roll it back, ladies and gentlemen. Always so fun. Always a wonderful time. Thank you all so much. Thank you, Eden. Thank you to our team behind the scenes. And I will see you in a few days. days. Bye.

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