RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor Global: Survivor 49 Premiere with Laura Darras

Episode Date: September 26, 2025

Survivor Global host Shannon Guss speaks to Survivor AU's resident witch and Brain from Brains V Brawn II, Laura Darras, about episode 1 of Survivor 49. They discuss the lies and truths off the bat, the tribe decision and the tone of the season so far.

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Hello, everyone, and welcome to RCHAP's coverage of Survivor 49 for Survivor Global. I'm your host, Shannon Guth, changing pace from Australian Survivor versus the world, going squarely back to the world of U.S. New Era

Survivor to talk about the premiere of 49 and to talk about it. I do have someone back from the Australia part of the world. It is Minowa as a big part of the Witch's Coven from Brainsby Born to. It is Laura Daris. Laura, thank you for being here. Hi, thank you so much for having me.

I'm so honored. I'm ready. I've got some opinions. Yeah, I heard you. I know that you're not like a huge fan of the New Year and generally. I'm like, let's get you in early in case the season is bad and then you can just dip out. I think there's some things in this episode that are going to leak and are kind of giving spoilers as to what the whole season's going to be.

so I agree. I'm really glad that I got in quickly. Oh really? Like in a bad way? Yeah, just some moments where I'm like, oh, I hope that this momentum doesn't continue in the rest of the season. Like immediately they are, you know, I'm here to play big. Someone needs to leave and no one wants to go. And I'm like, oh, I hope that this mentality doesn't continue throughout the season of everyone said that they're going to do something, get the opportunity to and no one wants to. To be fair, how can you blame them when it's like, not that it's a journey, but like, I feel like the newer I have done that by being like, on journeys, you just lose your vote. Or you just, I know Carl went on the, not the journey, but whatever this is, like, competing for supplies last time. But largely, like, you go out early,

you lose time with your tribe mates. Like, actually, I think it's taught the right, maybe more conservative lessons. Maybe it's not better TV and production shouldn't have done it, but the lessons, and you hear it in the preseason interviews where people used to be like, I'll do it. Yeah. And now they're like, I don't want to because it's scary. And people, will punish me most of the time. I'm like, that's so fair. You know, like, it's not great TV, but it is logical. No, it makes perfect sense.

I wouldn't want to do it either. I'm not saying that I would be the first person to put my hand up to go. Absolutely not. But I just hope that that mentality doesn't continue on throughout the season of everyone, just like in a Mexican standoff of like, who's going to do it? Who's going to do it? I hope that that doesn't happen. There was a bit of a kumbaya vibe to the episode,

a unanimous vote of like a clear majority, which is again logical, which is again, like, of course they want to vote physically. Like, everything you can say is like, it's never the cast fault. Like, the cast is super fun, but it's like, of course they want to be super physical. They're in these tiny tribes, but we know disaster tribes get off to a terrifying start. They've just watched the beginning of 48. Who wants to be that? Of course, they should connect based on physicality and get into a real, like, good hierarchy

where they can be at the top and there's like a top two to three to four of people who are all comfortable. Like, why should they not? is that great TV, no, but like, who can blame them? And they've all seen it, you know, they've all seen this so much because they're all fans. So it's like the show, the formula is working as intended for some reason, but that formula is the terrible production wise. Yes, yeah. No, I really like the cast. I actually really do like the cast.

But if people, if they landed on Australian Survivor and started acting like that on the mat immediately, giving both like Kelly's craziness and Miles like super fandom immediately all of them are the first boot. They're like all I could think was thank God they're not playing Australian Survivor and don't have tall poppy syndrome like we do here because they're all just giving crazy superfan and I do actually really like the cast but immediately I was like oh my God they're each crazy in their own very weird way. Yeah but that is again I feel being like pushed from production where like everyone is a huge fan. so it's not like in a straight and survivor

it's like you've seen the show you got a head start that's not fair it's like we were all of it like we all could have watched the show but then people get like upset about it but yeah I feel like as well Jeff is pushing it and I feel like production is pushing like how much the survivor mean to you like tell the rest of the class and it's like a competition of who loves the show the most

which is actually kind of my life so I get it but there's no like threat level on you love the show because I know that's something like you were trying to hide right but like here there would be no point and production is like no tell us that it taught you English, you know, tell us why it's like the best thing that you've ever seen and like you compete with everyone on your fandom and like everyone does that.

Yeah, but what that's like led to now is these like sob stories. This is led to an outplaying of who not wants it the most, but like deserves to be there in a really weird way. I think if you land on the mat, you deserve to be there. And I think that these like weird sob stories that now that has brought into it, I don't love. I personally am not here to hear about, you know, all of the things that have happened to you in your life up into this point. I want to see how you play the game. But I mean, now it's everyone's a fan. You just have to assume that they know what they're doing. I think it'd be hilarious if

they sent someone in that had no idea what they were doing with all of these super fans. Yeah, they had it with like a Roxroy. Like sometimes they have like one per season who's just like, what? You know, but like, but even that person knows more, I think, then most Australians who I condescending. But it is really funny because, I mean, look, it is personal. I like a lot of the personal stuff when it doesn't feel contrived. I think that Joanne was like as the oldest of five. And I said to Peter, when was the last time we found out anyone's sibling dynamics on Australian Survivor? Like, we don't know if people are married, have kids. Let alone like their siblings. And they give us like that extent of like personalization, which in ways can be good.

It's good to get to know the players. And I think Australian Survivor doesn't do that enough. So there may be a middle ground. And I think what's also funny is as we said, like the personal story like as a bachelor viewer um you know before every one-on-one date there's usually a trigger warning i am not joking it is at a point self-parody because someone's going to have to talk through an insane trauma of their life to technically get to know the bachelor and to have like that story the producers are like tell them tell them your trauma and i watch it with my mom and i'm always like i would just say that you were a terrible mother yeah but like i need something my life is too charmed what is the trigger warning on this on this one-on-one date that I would have and I feel like

that has steeped in to survive and this is a big part of reality TV it's funny the we of survivor fans complain about it because like you know we used to like watching old school all like the talent competitions Australian Idol the voice all of that loves that um and that states far away from Australian survivor yes even when people have legitimate traumas it often like it's like you find out about that later it's like that's crazy yeah yeah I feel about this is going down that route of like Soon we are going to get a trigger warning soon. I mean, we watched a person vomit. I would have loved a trigger warning on that.

Yeah, a lot of people are saying that. And I'm like, you did not just come out of your first trimester. Like, a lot of people are like scarred by the vomit. I'm like, that's just the day in my life. Yeah. Not everywhere, though. I can control it a little better than that. Well, that's good.

That's, I just would have loved to have known. I don't know. Like, also porn a call, like that's awful. I think that that would have been a lot of things coming together. And that's the stuff that I don't think that we need to see. Yeah, the vomiting. Yeah. Which is like that that's so sad that they had to show that.

But yeah, I feel like Survivors heading down a weird road of like PCness, which I don't love. Well, yeah. I mean, again, some of that is good. Like the diversity initiative, I think is really good. And I think a lot of the stories are good. I think like that's hard because a lot of it is good. there's a line it's like what happened with joe and eva last season brought people some really important things people were like oh my child is on the

spectrum like i'm going to get them tested like there was some great real world stuff there but the issue is and jeff said jeff said his favorite contestants of all time with joe and eva it's like no see no just be normal about it just like appreciate it for what it is in the right doses yes don't need it to like don't need to manufacture those moments because it's clearly like what you're aiming for and i didn't expect us to be like 10 minutes of new era bashing. It's not what I intended. No, I'm not. I'm not bashing it because there's a line and I feel like we're right on the edge. I'm like, I love this. Don't go any further. Don't take one more step.

But they do. And I think the thing is like, look, this was a fun episode. I mean, this is kind of like what you're going to get. Like a good cast, which it always is telling the stories in this format, in this very, like, not broken format, but like limited format with the three tribes. Like we know what we're going to get. We've been here nine times. So like, and I we got it at kind of like not the best it's going to be but like a good version of that and like in some ways that's kind of sad and in some ways it's just like the reality of what it is but yeah like poor Nicole who had first boot written all over her in that she did throw up and then she spat and jeremiah's eye apparently upon request she said and she fell over i'm just like Nicole like they

you know what i mean like everything as i'm like are they pushing her over like yeah Oh, like that's, that's, that was sad for her. I mean, I get really seasick. So maybe if they've just come off the, like, the boats and she was just like vomiting because of that, I would also be vomiting. So I'm really glad that they didn't show me when I was out there, like, crying as much as I did and like not being able to go near a fire and being scared of everything. So I'm sad for her that they had to show that. Yeah, I mean, I have spent the last three, four months throwing up. I was also on a boat in Greece throwing.

I was actually being a very vomit heavy year for me. And like, it is funny because I had Nick over a couple of weeks ago. And like, I can probably very well, I think. Anyway, now I was just talking about my vomit, but just pivoted from my new era. And before dinner, like, sometimes I'm like, I'll go have a strategic vomit before dinner, right? Because that's what you minds up.

Yeah. I think about it all the time. Or I'll, like, vomit right before I take my nausea pill. Come on. So I don't throw up the pill. So I'm like, I'm just going to go throw up. And then when I came back, Nick was like, I couldn't hear you. But it sounded like you were able to do that very quickly.

I was like, it kind of sounded like you did hear. And yes, I can throw up at any given time. At the moment, like, there was like six full weeks where I was like at any different time. So now this is what we're discussing. It's fine. But I'm just saying that like, everyone's like talking about how Nicole threw up. I'm like, kind of go throw up anymore. Yeah.

I didn't have a fear of throwing up. Like, I can't. Oh, I do. Fun fact about me, like I've never been able to burp. So when I am supposed to burp, I usually just throw up. Oh. Like, I don't know why I can't burp. So I don't have a fear of vomiting.

It's just like sad that they had to show that. But no, that's a new poor thing having to go shit. It's important to be strategic about how you throw up. And I think Nicole learned that and I've learned that over the last few months. And like I apply the same way I apply strategy to Survivor is the same way that I apply strategy to that. Like you just have to have control over the situation. Then you're good to go.

and I very rarely didn't. So that's a win for me. Unfortunately, not for Nicole. I don't even know where we're at, Laura. I mean, we've started not what was, in my notes, this wasn't written down for me, but I love it.

Yeah, so talk to me about the episode overall. Like, other than all the, how did you, could you suggest some favorites? Like, what were you enjoying about this episode? I thought it was a really funny episode. I thought that they started off really well introducing quite a lot of characters.

Wait, should I be telling the people that I'm pregnant? Sorry. if anyone hasn't seen or heard that from the restraints of us because I didn't even say that like it's just talking about having okay from context clues I think that people would have gathered that if they didn't I think it's you think it's on them if they didn't because we okay anyway but I can hear all the people going congratulations congratulations if they if they didn't know I was like wait wait a minute sorry what did you enjoy about the episode

pregnant um i enjoyed the characters i really did like a lot of people really quickly and people that i thought i wouldn't like i grew to like like like riz riz god like when i saw that that his nickname before the show had aired i was like oh here we go i'm not happy and then i was crying with him i was laughing at the tv and being like how on earth did he do that um i really liked i the first challenge. I'm not big into new era as new era as we know. And it's usually the marining challenge that I'm like sick off. But I really liked that because it got people an opportunity to show their strengths. I liked the types of characters that we had. I think in the first episode, I'm just looking at who am I going to root for and what plants, what seeds are you

planting for the future? And I think there are a lot of seeds planted for what could come, alliances that could form and skills and weaknesses that people have that I think we're going to see in the future. So I think overall it was a really strong first episode, personally. Yeah, it was strong. I mean, like some of the first things that we hear is she's pooped out the back of the boat. You want to be the first male tourist to win survivor.

Immediately we've got family stuff. immediately we have a bromance like there were some weird wacky funny things that were happening very quickly it was a strangely homoerotic bromant that no one asked and he was like no one no one no one at all

Jake Alice and I are not gay but like Jake and my wife's about to give birth but I'm about to fall in love with a man on television yeah it was it was unassed like that he that he went there

which is so fine but he's seems to be like, but just saying, and I was like, who asked this question of you? You don't protest too much, sir, too much. Exactly, exactly. I think, okay, I think the highlight of the episode was Rizzo and the challenge, which is so unfortunate, because that's going to send the wrong message to production. Then they're like, see, that challenge thing is good. I'm like, you have three challenges in the episode.

It's too many. And like, it's not a good twist. It, you know, but it's driven by the characters. Like, yes, you cast the show well, and Rizzo was great. like Rizzo was so compelling in that challenge and that's what made it great I thought what was so interesting was that Jeff's not there in a rape challenge was being narrated in confessionals but Rizzo was so entertaining during the challenge he's talking to the camera he's looking at the camera he's talking to himself he's making little jokes while he's getting absolutely destroyed in the challenge I'm like this is good showmanship you know like that's someone who knows how to engage with the camera yeah and obviously the comeback was amazing like that's the best moment of the episode for me but not because of my my favorite moment was him crying, being like, I want to hug myself, but that's weird. Yeah, it was good. I mean, as someone who called Rizzo Cringe only recently on a podcast, he was in the chat

of, I like it more and more when he's vulnerable. Like, I still feel like he came across in his pre-vis an interview as pretty, with a lot of bravado. And I don't like it with the provider because then it feels real. But like, if it's covering vulnerabilities, which we saw a bit of in the interview and we saw a lot of here, then it's a lot more endearing than it is. cringe, it's a little cringe. His name is still Rizgod, okay? I'm only human, but it's better. I just, how did he come up with Rizgod? And like, why? Yeah, I know that

that's his name. Yeah. But like, what in my mind to be like, I'm a god, I don't know. I mean, I'm a, I'm a witch, to be fair. So I, yeah, not be too harsh. But, um, we use Australian Survivor. Yeah, like, in Australian Survivor, everyone's a God or a King or whatever. So, like, we actually can't. We can't. But they earn it. through action. Do they? Well, no, but like, they don't come in the first episode calling them.

Don't they? Well, some of them do, yeah. Yeah, like, I don't know. Like, I'm trying to think of how true that is. Like, when did David become the Golden Garden? He certainly earned it since he's the host of the show. Yes. I think it was pretty early.

It was earlier than that. It was way earlier than, yeah. Like, and it's fine. David's like a once-in-a-lifetime character. I'm just saying it's funny that I'm like, but it feels so wrong in this environment because everyone else is like, my wife is giving birth and he's like, I am Risgaard.

It's like, you need to jump across the ocean where everyone's a god and no one cares if you're responsible. That's true. That's true. I think Rizzo would do really well on Australian Survivor from the one episode that I've seen. He's kind of miles poted in some ways. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. But again, if any of those people are on the mat with us, immediate first boot,

like all of them are so weird and so waxy and so loud, And they're all just giving the most extroverted and which I love. But if you act like that on the mat, like, we don't know you. Tall Poppy Syndrome kicks in. Good go. Yeah, I did see a tweet that was like, the new era is to survive with a theater kids. And we're both theatre kids. So, like, guilty is charged, but, like, also not untrue.

I like that. I really like that. It's turning into, like, for the nerds, for the gays. And I love it. yeah well and i connect with all these characters like yeah like obviously Nicole i loved and she was you know i would be doing yeah exactly and then like christina she's scared of everything but like is that good no but i love her i love christina i wrote down in my notes do you know how hard it is to be charming on camera it is really difficult to come into a game like

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Who is some favorites be before we, like, jump into the strategy? Okay, so let me... Let me have a look. Yeah, Christina, I just think it's so hard to have that much charm seep through and to be in an uncomfortable environment. So I really, really liked her. I love that Jason immediately broke the fourth wall. Like, immediately just said the background stuff.

And we love an alternate because I was an alternate. Yeah, which is a great survivor would never let you do or never air. No, they would never. And I wouldn't want to say it. Yeah. I wouldn't want to say it either. So I think that he is probably hoping that, and I do know from listening to other interviews, that there are some other alternates from past seasons.

MC is an alternate on the season. So he would know, I think that maybe I think he would know that they were both added. Right. Actually, I don't know if they know who the alternates are, but maybe they would know the two people were removed, maybe. I don't actually know those things. And then page was an alternate on 47. and I think so it was an S on the yellow tribe whose name escapes for Hina, I want to say, was an alternate of 48.

So. Yes. But why wouldn't you want to say you're an alternate? On Australian Survivor? For me, I just didn't want anyone to think that I was not worthy of being there. I told people after a little while, but I was really, I didn't want to give anyone an opportunity to think that I hadn't earned my place there. I think, yeah, I just didn't want to spoil it quickly.

But then people immediately started talking about, you know, the order in which we think we were placed. And I was very happy to be like, I'm at the back. I don't know. I just didn't want to announce that really quickly. I didn't want that to be the main sticking point as to why I was there. Yeah, so I like Jason. Who else do I like?

Who else do I like? Who else do I like? I do like a lot of them, as we said, Riz. I think that Sage is coming in swinging. Absolutely swing. Sage is a lot. Sage is a lot. Sage, like, from the pre-even interview,

I mean, I was very low on my namesake, you know, fast-talking talk too much Shannon. And I put her last in the draft, and I took Nicole. So, and Shannon not only... is doing much better than I thought, but it's like the complete center of that tribe. Like the entire,

we haven't really heard much from Rizzo in terms of the tribe. Savannah won Shannon the most, Sage the most, one Shannon. Nate, once Shannon, Joanne was Shannon. Every single person,

even more than, slightly more than Savannah, because we've heard from Sage talking about Shannon. Have we heard about how central Shannon is? She is doing incredible. And Sage is way weird as Shannon. So that was shocking to me.

This tribe really surprised me from the previous. Yeah, yeah. Sage is coming in swinging. you know the first thing that I wrote down in my notes, the very first thing. Did you see Shannon sprinting into the water in that first challenge? You see how fast she ran? She is a weapon.

She's a beast. I really am rooting for Shannon. I really, really like her. Because I'm woo-woo and I'm weird, but Sage is tipping over that edge a little bit for me. Yeah, what Shannon was. Yeah, Shannon's a perfect level for me. I charged a book by a clubber.

Her interview with Mike was just so. wild but it's possible she was just like really hyped up and now I think that she's great like people lean into like the kind of spiritual guidance that she's giving the tribe and really centering them and really like her they like her energy a lot she's I think she's the difference between the masculine and the feminine she's got the you know the woo-woo but then she's also clearly very strong which she knows is one of her strengths as well being from Boston and having that those opposing um sides I really like Shannon Yeah, it was just so hard to tell that because in her pre-season stuff, she was saying how she, like, consulted AI Jesus.

And I was like, you know, so am I too judgmental or is that worthy of judgment? Yes, no, she definitely lost me for a little bit. She lost me, she gained me. Same with Ritz. Lost me, gained me. I'm just, I'm here to take it. I was wrong about both of them. And then should we get to the tribe that went to tribal council, start talking about this vote, we'll go back to the winning tribes.

but Keller or Kelly or, anyway, they're the blue trod, they are, they lost. And so, and they voted on Nicole, what did you think about this move for the tribe? Well, I think it's a slippery, slippery slope to go down the path of team weakness, especially for Annie and Sophie. I think that that, and even Jeremiah, that's a really slippery slope that I am never in favor of because of my personal weaknesses. I just don't. But then again, they did lose so dramatically. I really think that this tribe is, has that, they're showing that strong connection. Jeremiah and Sophie have their connection. I don't know if I agree with Sophie going and telling

everyone that Annie has pulled out somebody else's name. I think that that could have been a weapon that she could have saved for a little bit later. With such a clear vote like, Nicole, if the next time it's not clearly Annie, then you can whip something like that out. I have a question, though, Shannon, is it, is there always going to be one tribe in New Era that's inherently weaker than the others? Does that always happen? Because this is so clearly a weaker tribe. And you can see, I think what my takeaway is, is two seemingly weaker people does not make up for the one, like the strongest person on this

entire cast being Jake, having two people being weaker does not equal having the strongest. Does that make sense? I would think it would. I was actually surprised by this. I mean, we do think that they, it's not everything that has a disaster tribe, we do think they maybe try and create that on purpose when, you know, to create disaster tribes, which have like inbuilt storylines and the pre-merge. I don't think I see that here.

I think they thought you have Jake, like, enjoy. you have literally thunder from down under right here and he does been in Australia a lot, but, so you would think, I think that that's what they think. I mean,

I've seen other tribes, like last season, they were screwed. What was that tribe name? I really remember it. The green tribe. Yes. And I was like,

what was the plan here? Like, your strongest guy was Justin. No offense to Justin. But like, what was, you know, and Kevin, like,

what were we doing? They were fine. But I think that here it actually looked pretty even to the point where preseason And I was like, who looks like the disaster tribe? I don't want to pick them in the disaster tribe. And it actually felt quite even.

So I actually don't think they've done that here. But it's just when you start losing and you don't have your flint and then you get worse sleep and you don't eat and then like it compounds. And like maybe that will happen on this tribe to the point where I don't really disagree with anything that this majority or this majority did. Really? No. I mean, I would disagree with some nuances that Jake was doing. What I tell about the bromance? Yeah.

But like in terms of like the actual vote. Yeah, should the weaker person be like cleaning to the strong people? Probably not. But in like a very disparate tribe strength wise. Like I cannot blame them. They don't want to be the disaster tribe. Like if I'm Jeremiah and Sophie, I don't want to say let us commit to voting out like an Alex so that we're in

the strengths or something. And then maybe then we vote out and Nicole and we go down and we're the final two. And we'll definitely make it. But we're going to go through this disaster tribe. Like who can be bothered? Who has the time or the patients who want to be the disaster tribe coming to emerge with And it's worked out, but like you're coming with fewer connections. I just wouldn't, and it's also not worked out, you know, like I just, I wouldn't want to do that if I had a choice.

And if their choices between strong people that they can connect to or wicked people that they were also connecting to and someone like Sophie who's also connecting with Nicole, I'm going with the strength and hoping we win some challenges. And I'm not at tribal council every night. You're exhausted going to tribal council every night. You know, I think it just takes energy from you where you're just playing on hard mode, extreme hard mode from the beginning when the other tribes aren't. and I'd rather just have that upper hand. So I'd prefer to, like, go all in on strength. And even for Sophie, like, yeah, she locks herself into this floor, maybe a three with the strong guys, even before Jemaya,

by coming back and telling what Annie said. She cuts off option, sure. I don't mind it. Like, for her to go all in on strength, I think it's prudent. I don't think it's great TV, but I think the show demands it of her. And it's what I would want to do if my choice was going to tribal council every night for the next few days.

Yes. I mean, everyone I've ever met versus actually having a bit of a vacation. vacation for a couple of days would be nice, like getting some flint? That's fair enough. I do think that she's put herself in a good position being the third to that bromance. The only worry is that in a game like this, two can be a majority really quickly. So it's, that's my only worry is that she, I think she's sitting pretty.

It's people like Jeremiah that I'm like careful because he's just that loose end. That if Annie, like people don't know that Annie and Alex are close, right? So like they've had that relationship. So for someone like Jeremiah, that's where I get worried of the Alex and Jake clearly aren't splitting. And we wouldn't want them to split yet. But very quickly, those two could be the ones deciding what's happening. For Nicole, as soon as you hear, it's definitely between two people. It is baffling to me that both Annie and Nicole didn't think to do something.

Yes. Both of them. Well, I mean, I think that they're so desperate because they knew that they knew that they were on the back foot. Like at least Annie is trying for next time. And I don't blame her for that either. And there's something that might make logical sense except it doesn't for Sophie

because she wants to connect to strength, which is fine. But in another world where she wants to have the power and maybe lose some more challenges would be at the top, there's an option there for her. And I get giving it to her and I think that it's an option that makes sense.

And I also get Sophie not going with it. But unfortunately, Annie just doesn't have that capital. And Nicole doesn't have that capital. And they don't connect as well, obviously, of the rest of the tribe. but they're on the back foot with kind of less to invest in with them because they're weaker and it's just so hard. So I can't really blame them for just being like, please make me fifth, please make me fifth,

can we win some challenges? I'll work it out later. I can't blame that, but I blame both of them and especially Nicole for not playing her Sean and Zah. It's bizarre to me. If you know Annie is running marathons, doing all these things, you're clearly the weakest and it's just because Annie is a powerhouse, like, and clearly she's so strong. She put herself up in the first challenge to go get the heavy thing.

She clearly backs herself when it comes to physicality. You hear there's two people that are definitely on the chopping block. Jeremiah didn't even pretend that they're going to, you know, go down a different route. As Nicole, I'm immediately like I'm playing my shot in the dark. Yeah. And like for me, even if she thinks she's fifth, like she said it was a 50-50 and in the ex-interview she said when Alex told her she was fine, she went down to 30. I want to say this now.

if you think there's a 30% chance that you were going home with the first tribal council and you don't need your vote which they all think it's a unanimous vote please play your shot in the dark if you think it's a 10% chance if it's between you but you're pretty sure it's the other person still that's like not actually great odds like between you and one other person I was like Nicole do you think that you're in a majority like who do you think he's talking about and she confirmed the ex-interview she thinks it's between her and Annie it's a very clear four to two so you can't trust him because you know you're not in the group. And you lose nothing by playing your shot in the dark other to maybe look

otherwise, no, what am I saying? Other than, that's the words, looking maybe a little bit less uncrustworthy you haven't voted with the group, but you're not voting for anyone, so that's not really bad. You lose your corner of the dark for the future. It's a tiny little investment for a one and six shot in case, that's like the bit, that and people very rarely use their show on the dark. That's pretty much the best chance. And I think you probably, you want it next time when it's like a four on one. Yeah. Yeah. But like they just cannot be choosing. You need. You need. You know that you've done everything to make sure that you've saved your own butt. And I think if Annie had stood up and played hers, then Nicole would have stood up and played hers.

But they would have done it in the voting booth. You're right. But it's just such a shame. Like it's just, it's disappointing because it could have really kicked off something really cool. And I like just it was the, the edit was doing from the beginning. I felt really bad for Nicole. Yeah. I think as well, yeah, I mean,

just you just lose nothing by playing your shot in the dark there. Like, I think that that's, that's what it gets me. I mean, in terms of, like, if it were, like, as an example, like, and he could throw a vote, right? Because if Nicole does play a shot in the dark and it hits, and you're going home on a re-vote. But that's quite aggressive. Like, now you're really, like, fracturing relationship to choose a name,

have to vote for name. Like, I wouldn't do that on, like, low odds. But on the odds of 30%, if you had a one and six chance where you don't even piss anyone off because you don't have to vote. I don't feel like it's a massive no-brainer. Like, I feel like this was a really big miss. And it's at the point where, like, if Annie had played her shot on the dark,

even though she didn't go home, I would have not criticized that at all. I would have been like, that's a fine move too. Because we're one of the two. Like, we should both be doing it. I'm very curious to see. I wish we had seen the relationships that Nicole thought she had and the work that the others put in to make Nicole feel so safe because she didn't play because she felt safe.

and when all the odds were stacked against her, I'm very, very intrigued to, I wish we had seen what she thought she had. Yeah. She said that Alex was a big part. I mean, he'd see Alex, you know, saying she's fine. So, I mean, it's a really good job by this whole majority because they're in the position where they don't need to split a vote.

You know, Nicole's not even playing a shot on the dark. They've sided that well. If she does, Annie is not splitting a vote. Like, their odds, like they don't need it to upset Annie at all. Even if Nicole has something she seemingly. playing it to vote for Annie. So they have protected themselves so well where there's no risk. They can be super cohesive with Annie moving forward.

They don't need to split anything on her. And yeah, can just move forward as a group on knowing that they've kept in the strongest, like for themselves. I think they did a very, very good job. Like the fact that Nicole, I mean,

she made mistakes, but like the fact that she could be so blindsided here so that they can cover themselves and not have to worry about splitting themselves or any of that. Like on both Nicole and Annie, like they both felt fully fine. Yes, the next time. And you can already see in like the preview for the next episode, Sophie is planting seeds on, not liking Annie immediately, just putting somebody else in front

of her, which I think is great. But yeah, I'm very curious to see how this majority is going to move forward. It looks like Alec is sitting very well, to not have been there, to gone, I've done the challenge, to not get the initial bonds, then to lose the challenge, you know, he left for no reason now, and now to come back and be. in a real driver's seat, close to Annie, close to, you know, Sophie and Jake. I think that Alex is, like, for me, the one leading this. I agree. I think he's done very, very well.

Apparently, he was getting, he was also close to Nicole. And Sophie as well, like we see Sophie is losing Nicole who she's close to, but she also has a relationship with Annie that's strong enough, where Annie will come here and be like, maybe we should do something. So I think when you're people like Sophie and Alex, like, you're going to lose someone you're close to when you're close to everyone, and that's, you know, the kind of good and bad of a great social game. which they both seem to have

and they're both very, very central. So I agree. I think that they're both in a good place here. And I think that Alex as well, he could be a little concerned that Annie is coming to Sophie and not throwing out his name explicitly becoming for the guy that maybe he wants to pivot.

But he's had his own relationship with her. Maybe that still goes well when she's not as desperate. Annie knows it's not a threat because Sophie has come to him. So I actually really don't think this decision mattered that much at all. I think this four is locked in.

They've proven it extremely. And Sophie has proven that here. You know, Nicole and Annie probably neither of them are like long for this game famous last words but i kind of feel like if it's on challenge trend and they think annie's that bit better like that's fine for me and i think that sophie still has a relation with annie clearly um yeah alex still has a relation with annie but not to the point that it's more threatening than therefore and they're good to go so in a pretty low stakes decision i thought everyone did well and i thought the blind side was pretty immaculately done

incredibly done i'm fascinated to see how to know how that they did that to Nicole like especially when she had an opportunity to shift something. Like, I can definitely see a world when Nicole, Sophie, and Jeremiah and Annie went against this very obvious two. So that could have been an obvious route. So I think that this four has done very, very well. Yeah, I mean, it was stable.

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and I'd love to get your take, was all of the lying and truth-telling that we always get in Survivor. And I kind of agreed with little of it. Like, you've got Nate, playing down his insane success as, you know, a massive producer for Marvel, which is crazy. The fact that Joanne was so excited being like, wait, you were like a production assistant on Spider-Man, Spider-Man 2, Wonderful movie, by the way.

It's like, you don't even know Joanne. This guy has a keys to your whole career, Joanna. You're not even working with it. Yeah, pretty much. I was thinking that. If I were Nate, I'd be using that as much as possible. Well, let's talk through these things. So Nate plays that down.

Yeah. Zana doesn't say she's a newscaster. You know what about that. But then Jake is like, my father is going blind. This is the last season he'll see. My wife is currently in labor. I'm like, that's a lot. Like, I'm someone who's like, don't ever lie.

You know, just be yourself, connect with people. And even I was like, I think some of it, maybe you do keep some of that in the vault. But what did you think of these truth telling and lying decisions from the players? To the extreme, to the absolute extreme. I mean, now that both Nate and Savannah are both lying about their jobs, if you've got one, If you have the ability to do it, somebody else has the ability to do it. And I think they're probably going to be trying to sniff out other rats. So I just don't think it's necessary.

I mean, I get why Nate did it. I really do. I don't quite understand why Savannah would lie. I just think that this game, there's so much that you don't see. And there's so many times when you are not talking about the game and you just have to be your true self. And I'm sure there's going to be moments where Savannah wants to tell a story about when she was reporting. And I think that it's just going to shoot you in the foot more than it's going to to hinder you if you were to tell the truth.

So I don't quite understand why Savannah did it. But from the reaction that Joanne had when Nate said what he, you know, did, I understand why Nate did it. I think with nearly everybody else on this cast, he wouldn't need to. But for someone like Joanne that would be like reporting to someone like Nate in if they were to be working on the same thing, I do understand why Nate did it. I really like Nate. I think that he's trying to navigate this like one.

of the younger tribe, like, you know, tribes of the three, it's an older cast than it usually is, but he's navigating it pretty well. I really like the way that he's handling things. And I do actually think that his job is going to help him in forming these Avengers. You know what I mean? I hope he forms his own Avenger team because I think that he has the ability to. Yeah, you can, I do think that the productions like say it, he's like, no, they're like, compare it to the Avengers. He's like, I don't want to. They're like, talk about Iron Man. He's like, I really, and I think that they were like,

this is why we cast you on the show. Like, you will mention Captain America. So, yes. No, I love it. Yeah, I mean, look, I love Marvel. I'm like, I, and that's why they get him to do it because it gets me. I'm like, ooh, Marvel. Yeah.

I think Nate is very fun. I totally understand him actually playing his career down. Like, there's one of those on Know Italls, and Stephen was like, well, it really helped Mike White. People wanted to work with Mike White because he could give them opportunities. yeah, Mike White couldn't win the game. He played a great game, and they weren't going to give in the money. He didn't even ask for it, and maybe there'll be different in 50.

But obviously in 50, you can't hide who you are in Mike White. And Mike White is also someone that I kind of think people might have known. So I would have been like, are you next to me? So I think a lot of the millennials would have got it. Yes. Rock's my favorite movie ever. So I would have known who Mike White was, you know, before we landed on beach. Exactly.

And even more now with like the white loaders and everything. But they don't need to know it. And it's like, okay, fine, it's helping him build connections, but then he could not win because you don't want to give a million dollars to someone that's successful. And it has found other ways to connect and hopefully will be, you know, you can also assess it to be like, am I, like, is this desperate? Like, am I throwing up and spitting in people's faces?

Like, do I need to pull this out? And like, if he doesn't, he's connecting in other ways, then I think use that and actually do play it down because I think it makes things very hard for you to final tribal council. You know, that's successful. And I think Mike White saw that. And he played an amazing game and, like, yes. he won. I always say, like, Mike White pretty much won that season as much as he could, considering people, you know, going to struggle to award Mike White on David versus Goliath,

especially. Savannah being, like, Liaba being in newscast is just funny. Like, it's just new era parody. Like, in 45, when everyone who voted out was like, I am also a lawyer. Yeah. Yeah. I just think it's like examples of like when you should do it and when you really don't need to. I don't think we're going to see it bite Savannah in the foot. I think she's smarter than that. Yeah. But I really just think that it's like, you're doing it because you're on Survivor. And in some ways, being in marketing could be more of a hindrance.

Do you know what I mean? Like, marketing has its own skills. And the reason that she's lying about being a reporter is because she doesn't want them to know that she's eloquent. It's like that's going to come out whether you like it or like that. Being eloquent is not something that you can hide. So if that's the only reason why you're hiding, why that you're a reporter, then that's bizarre to me.

Yes, I completely agree. I'm in journalism, like, it's fine. I think pretty much people should never lie. And yet, here I am saying, like, Nate, I get playing it down. And Jake, I want to talk with Jake. There was no reason for you to tell everyone on the mat that your father is going blind. That's great at a final tribal council. And Jake's already, like, such a, like, visual threat.

So he does that. And then he tells, he tells Alex and Sophia that his wife is giving birth next week. And it did bond them. but I feel like that was happening anyway. Again, right for a final tribal council, but that's going to come out. How can you trust these people you just met? And at any point, they could use that against you.

And like, who is letting that get to a final tribal council? But it would be great for a final tribal council. So I actually, as much as that will connect with people, and I can't imagine how hard it would be to not be talking about that when it's all you're thinking about. He's clearly hiding it from some people. So he's not even talking about it in general conversation. Yeah.

And I think you kind of need to. Yeah. I, if someone said to me, I'm missing the birth of my child for living at my dream right now, like right here, I'd be like, what are you doing here? Yeah, I would go to show me off. I wouldn't, to be honest, I wouldn't take that as like, oh my God, they're telling me what's happening in their private life. I think it's going to come out anyway. Other people are going to find out when Jake, you know, gets really emotional for no reason. They'll tell the other people what's happening. And if someone said that to me on the very

first day, I would be really guarded of them. I would be really aware that they're going to be cutthroat. They're going to do whatever it's going to take to pull me down if they're missing the birth of their child. I personally would be really taken aback and like awesome that he's doing it. So cool that he gets to live out his dream. But that's as an ally, I'd be terrified because he's clearly going to do anything. Also, though, he needs to play now, even though he's missing the birth his child because it's the last season, his father will ever watch because he's going blind, which honestly does sound like chat GBTing the new era. Yes.

But there's too much there, Jake. Like, that's too much to tell the people. And then on top of that, not only I'm this big father figure, I'm the bromance, I'm your best friend, I'm going to be the dad. I'm also going to mildly inconvenience you by misplacing your shoe. Do you know, you're missing the birth of your child to be a meme? to throw someone's shoe into the jungle, which they'll find 10 minutes later.

Like, that is fascinating to me, and one of the flaws I think of New Era is that no one wants to be a villain. So the closest we're going to get to a villain is someone who is going to chuck a shoe, not burn a hat, but throw a shoe a meter away. I'm going to mildly inconvenience to you

for 10 to 15 minutes, and that's a new era villain. Well, we can ask Nate if he thinks this is a super villain worthy, if there's like, mildly incanded, and that's a great movie. I'm mildly inconvenience, people. That's these superpowers. I'm going to mildly inconvenience you for 10 to 15 minutes. Like, what?

That is the honest thing. I mean, if you're going to get rid of a shoe, get rid of the shoe. If you're going to get rid of the shoe, you'll get to the ocean. Why are you throwing it a stone's throw away? Like, that is fascinating to me that that's what he thinks. is going to make him, you know, remember, like, memorable on this cast. But then also in my mind, you cannot be the father figure and the shrew thrower. You have to be, you cannot be both.

Yeah. I think the saddest thing about it was that it made the air. That's where we're at. I only think it made the air because it was Nicole's shoe. I actually don't think it would have made the air if it was anybody else's shoe. My shoe went missing out there, and it was around the time of the hat burning. And so I was like, I think someone's stolen my shoes. But I think the only reason that I made the air is because it was Nicole.

And they needed to add some more, something in there of, you know, people don't like Nicole as much as they like each other. Yeah. That's the only reason. I think they showed it. But we see in the preview for the next episode, he removed somebody else's shoe. It's like, soon we're going to find out that you're just mildly inconveniencing people. And people are going to be like, what are you doing? I thought you were the lovable guy.

So you can't be both. you know yeah well have you ever like lost something that's like you know where it is and then like those 10 minutes are annoying like they're really annoying when you can't like find your keys and you know where the keys were and they're not there and you like that is annoying yes i really are they're not attached i am like clumsy and i lose things all the time but for jake i just think it was an odd choice it's very odd but he's a shoe bandit in what was it not extremely odd what are we talking about here it's just mildly inconveniencing someone for a meme like that's it's it's it's weird to me this is what the new era does this is

i blame production i don't know why they make it weird they they've limited the tribes and now they're bored like i don't yeah yeah i just think for jake as if if i were to go back or for anyone wanting to play you cannot be both you cannot tell people you're about to be a father and that you're here for your dad and then also be the villain but this is what I don't like about if this is the biggest villain that we're going to get yeah no but like he's trying to be he's trying to be Russell was trying to be cheeky and he's trying to do a thing and it's frustrating the funny thing about it is like that's not villainous but like other things that Jake is doing will put people off like Jake do you want to align he's like me and my bromance Alex we've never

spoken I love him he's like something tells me I like Alex I can't put my finger on it it's a I don't know what it is. Just, I haven't spoken to him yet, but there's something about the strong, other strong guy that I like. Like, that part, which we saw last season, that mentality is what people, that will be villainous and people won't like that.

Yeah. But the shoe thing, that's not anything. I mean, I think Jake, I didn't agree with, like, a lot of what he was doing personally. I think what the group did that he's very important to is very good. But I think that it's interesting that Jake can be like, I have a bromance with Alex to like anyone that he can say, you know, like, you know, all these things about Alex to make this like really clear too,

but he's not going to suffer for it because he's so physically necessary. Yeah, that's, but you have a really hard time getting to the end, especially now that he sold everyone for the reasons he shouldn't get to the end. Yes, yeah, it's super frustrating. I really hope that Alex can potentially maneuver his way into a different alliance that he, because he was kind of pulled into it, right? Like he didn't, Jake's the one that started this bromance while Alex wasn't even there. So I really hope that Alex has a foresight to know that if anyone's going to come for Jake and Alex,

he, Jake has given himself, no, Alex is now got an anti-shield, right? Like, everyone's going to go for the Alex out of the Jake and Alex crew because Jake is so much stronger. So he's got an anti-shield with him whether he knows that or not. So I really hope he can maneuver his way out and find a another alliance where, he is the strongest because he didn't win the challenge but he's doing so well he's like so so so well so I really hope he has the foresight to maneuver his way out of the bromance yeah I mean I think maybe he thinks it'll be good for like emerge definitely it's good for like challenge friends so again I get it I think that what Jake did pushed Sophia to make the connection

of Jeremiah where they're like we're number ones In another world, he's like, yes, me and you. And then he has him and Alex, and he's like really at the center of everything. And that's really good. But he's like, yeah, me and Alex and you, romance and you. And she was like, I think I need another number one. Something's telling me. I don't put my finger on it, but I think I need.

And then she makes a connection with Jeremiah. I think he pushes that to happen because he's so uninclusive. Like there's another world in which he's her number one and he's Alex is number one. And Jeremy is more left out. And I think that that was a miss when like, honestly, everything's being handed him on a silver platter like he's so important to this tribe he basically can do what he wants and even then i think like this could have been a lot better based on the way that he was acting so totally yeah um yeah um yeah yeah i'll say i forget who else from from this cast who else because we can do

the chizzy because there's more people to speak about in the chizzy but who did anyone stand out to you negatively um wait but someone more that i liked it was matt yeah he really it was fun and it's really easy for a matte archetype to come in. You know, I know how to make the fire. I'm clearly the strongest here. I know what I'm going to do. And I really love the way that he waited for the tribe to ask him for help. And he seems really cool. And he has a really nice connection with everybody it looks like so far. So I really, in my heart in the yellow tribe, what's it called? It's the that tribe of the name. Nina? Yeah. He and Christina are my two favorites. on that tribe. I like that he, I mean, having an older guy being potentially one of the strongest

on the tribe is pretty cool and that could very easily go to his head. So that is one of my favorites on that tribe. And they won both challenges, right? So they're like a well-rounded tribe. Because I think that this, what this, I mean, there were so many challenges, but like I think that what this episode did well within the challenges was that there was a lot of decision-making about who to put where in various hero roles of like diverse skill sets. So unfortunately that does emphasize the physicality in these tiny tribes even further and it makes it hard for the nickels of the world. But it's like you have to step up in either a puzzle or some physical capacity.

And if it's not going to be physical, then it has to be the puzzle, which is such a tricky end spot that people always, you know, you get a lot of blame for that. But I do think that it put a lot of pressure on people very quickly. This is an Australian survivor, like, you know, being in jewels and like hero roles, it's a you know there's a lot of spotlight on you and I think that this um this included pretty well I'm in Nicole's shoes like I I was the Nicole one of her shoes the other one got thrown one of the other one that's not 10 meters away yeah yeah I was in

Nicole singular shoot because when we landed the first thing the miles said to me is like we're the weakest and you're the weakest I'm like yeah yeah I knew that I was totally in Nicole spot so I got very lucky that there was a puzzle at the end that I could you know put myself up for. I wasn't climbing that thing. I couldn't. But that's what I did like about these challenges is that you could choose where you went, especially in the first one. You could choose if you were going to lift the heavy thing or if you were going to swim or if you were going to do the puzzle. On the puzzle, I'm very, very shocked in that first challenge that like they didn't immediately know how to do a cube. It's one of the first things that I searched on how to do

put together a cube because that's always going to happen in Survivor with a bunch of fans. I'm curious that no one immediately had solved it. Like I know when we had a cube challenge on our season, Miles solved it before the challenge started, and maybe that's just Miles. But I did like the challenges were split up. And that's what my problem is with this one tribe that's inherently going to be weaker is like Jake being one strong man doesn't make up for, they're split off in tears. Annie and Nicole are going to slow the team down whether they know it or not because Jake

is also with somebody else. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. I think it is probably a mechanism of the game that there's going to be a weaker tribe just for storyline with one really strong guy that's going to lead, you know, strength. But it's a shame that none of the challenges really played to Nicole's strengths. Yeah. And I think I personally got very lucky that there was the first challenge played to mine.

Well, I mean, she had a puzzle. Like I think as well, it's hard in six people compared to 12. But I think it depends on the challenge. Like we've seen the Jake types. We've seen like Jonathan drag whole tribes through a challenge, which Jake could do in it. So I don't think this tribe is doomed. I really don't think like I, you know,

I don't think that there, I think it seems like a pretty consistent, you know, yeah, a pretty consistent group like across the board here. And I think that it depends. I think when they're separating them out into sections, it's like,

well, Jake does his part and it's quite an individual role and then other people need to do their individual role so it comes down to like the weakest link, rather than just, like, one person being able to, like, fill those gaps. So I actually don't think here, but we see as what we thought last season where a strong tribe got swapped onto the losing beach. And just for how little they had won, they lost a challenge. Like, just for not having Flint and having, you know, and all of that

and having a bad shelter. So I think, yeah, when you don't have a machete at the beginning, like all of that compounds, like that Alex didn't get that. And then it just compounds on itself. Even so I do think that this tribe could get out of it. I'm not as worried about them as I've been before, but, like, it's always, you know, a sinkhole that they're speaking into currently. Yeah, at the beginning of that.

Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, I'm not thinking it's a jizzy, but do you have any more thought? The people that I immediately didn't like, I mean, as I said, I think Sage came out swinging, but that doesn't mean that I don't like her. I just think that maybe she needs to be a bit more aware of the people that she has around her, in some very grounded people like Nate and Savannah like really grounded

you just have to be aware and I tried to at least with my woo-woo like tried to be aware of who wanted to hear it who didn't and I always waited for people to come talk to me about it and you know coming out swinging I did as well I was like I'm a witch so as soon as that happened I was like step back and wait for people to talk to me about it

and some people really wanted to talk to me about it and other people really didn't and that didn't make me want to work or not work with people. But I think that she needs to be aware that she's with some super grounded people. I hope that these three girls can come together because it looks like Shannon, Savannah and Sage had a really cool chat there. So I kind of am hoping for a little girl thing there. There's actually no one that I immediately dislike. I actually, for all the things that I said, I actually think Jake is still a pretty cool character. And I actually like that he's playing into the bromance a little bit because someone like him like an archetype like

that could come out and be like, you know, all macho. And I really like that he's not and he's like swinging, holding hands with Alex. So I kind of, I immediately like them. There are people that I want to learn more about because I think there was some like heroes of the episode, but I'm sure we'll get to that. Like I really would love to learn more about MC. Like yeah, that seems like, I I'm excited to learn more about the other tribes because this was such a dominant episode for this tribe because they just kept losing. Yeah, yeah, I agree.

And there's some fun people there. Stephen did very well. Yeah. I had a couple of people told him, like Matt and Jason have confessional stories for him and how much they liked Stephen, so he's in a good spot. Yeah.

I am curious as to how much time Stephen got as to his, you know, bullying story. That's like, you know, so cool that he can talk about that. But the fact that they showed him saying that he hasn't quite worked through that or healed is I'm fascinated by. I did take note that they showed that he immediately was getting paranoid and that he, even if that wasn't really on the first or second day, it's interesting that they're already sowing that seed of Stephen feels like he has imposter syndrome, which is such a shame

because, you know, this is such a cool. He works for Nassah. So, like, no, he's so cool. And he works for Nassar. So, like, no, he's so cool. and you get to see him be so excited to be there, you know, with the clip of him and his wife. So I'm interested to see the storyline that Stephen gets

because they are sowing a pretty big seed of him being paranoid. That was a good five minutes of people saying that they like Stephen and Stephen saying, I don't know whether people like me or not, you know? Yeah, but also classic new era. So, okay. I didn't really clock it as anything because I was like, new era. Like, he needs a story. He can't just be well-liked.

Where's the adversity? Where is the trigger warning? Yes, right. Well, with like the first episode specifically, I'm always looking for what seeds are they planting for the future? What, I mean, first episode of last season, we got, it was the Joe and Eva show. And that made sense for what ended up happening. So I'm always looking for what seeds are getting planted for storylines that could come through down the end, you know? Yeah, definitely.

Well, let's start the chizzy, take it away Jacob's Saga Weinstein and MC Color. One, two, three. One, one, three, one, two, one, three, one, two, one, let's get, it's getting, it's getting, it's getting kind of cheesy. Three, two, one. Oh, hi, buddy, who's the best? You are? I wish I could spend all day with you instead. Uh, Dave, you're off mute. Hey, happens to the best of us.

Enjoy some goldfish cheddar crackers. Goldfish have short memories. like goldfish? I mean, there was a lot of good stuff here. I kind of struggled because there's so many honorable mentions because people did well, but what were you thinking with your chizzy points? I got to tell you, Shannon, this is the most full circle pinch me moment of my life. I have, I know that this is like me fan girling and I know we'll get into the chizzy points.

We will, we will. But first day on the island, Miles and I were talking about how cool would it be if we got a chizzy point. Like immediately we were talking about you and like chizzy points have been something that I've followed for so long as a fan. So this is really. It's very new. I get to. I know. This is so near me for me. Send me out there. 51. I'm there. I love that because Miles, Peter wanted Miles to come over today. I was like, I can't. I'm podcasting. Another of my parents, like, are you doing with Shannon. Yeah. There are my parents. I was right now because he couldn't come here because I'm doing this with you.

That's so funny. No, this is really full circle for me, and I actually didn't know that I was going to get to give out cheesy points. Yeah. Oh my gosh. You go first. You go first.

Okay. I'll get three points to Allie. It's kind of been said. As you said, he didn't suffer from losing time or losing the challenge against Rizzo. He's in the middle of everything. I think that he is the one who helped the blindside Nicole a lot, which is how they're going to have this great cohesive vote.

I think Annie could come back to him. I don't think that. that that's, like, really dire. I think he did very well. I'll also do two points for Sophie. Even though the storyline we got was that she liked Nicole, when she, like, technically lost out, but then Annie's coming to her too.

You know, she's where she wants to be. And again, I don't think this decision really matters. I think what matters is that she has a great relationship with Jeremiah. She has a great relationship with Jake. And she has, you know, some stuff with Annie. I feel like they all have good relationships kind of with each other in this majority. Like, there are these dynamics. And then they had, like, two people on the outside that both Alex and Sophie had

relationships with both of them and they have to choose between one of the like physically weaker people going and I think it was fine and it was a good blind side. I also wanted to give an honorable mention on this to Jeremiah. Even though I'm like Jeremiah at the bottom of that, I think what's interesting with Jeremiah is he comes out and he's like, I don't usually, you know, I'm not like an outdoorsy person. It's the kind of person that Jake could be like he's out. But instead, he's in with the group and I actually think it's like not a group that seemingly really actually catered to him and he's still got it done. So even though he's at the bottom, I'll give an honorable mention there. I'm going to point to Shannon. I was wrong about her. She's, she's so well connected. The fact that we hear four people

in the tribe saying they want to work with her is I think the most we heard of anyone. You know, Savannah will get an honorable mention as well. Like she, we hear from Nate, Chowan and Shannon that they, I think we don't know if we hear it from Shannon. We hear a lot from Savannah, but I feel like that like those people all want to work with her. But like we also have Sage being like, I just love Shannon. Like I feel like Shannon's so connected. We hear some good stuff from Stephen. I'll give an honorable mention to him, but just so much for Shannon that I really feel like I have to give that. And I will give an honorable mention to Rizzo for the challenge win, although I don't know where he sits in the tribe. So it's just going to be

that. But a lot of people doing a lot of good things, honestly. So yeah, right, Matt. Amazing. I am also going to give, I mean, I don't want to do the same as you, but I am going to give the three points to Alex. I think to go away, do the challenge, lose the challenge so dramatically, and then come back and somehow be at the epicenter of everything and have a private relationship with Jake, a private relationship with Annie and a relationship with, like, Sophie. I think that that's really cool. He just walked straight back into camp and immediately was in the majority.

And not only that, but basically got to choose who went home. I think that that is incredible on his behalf because I think it'd be really hard to come back from a challenge and having lost. and he knows how dramatic that was. That's incredible that he could do that. I think that speaks to his social game even prior to the game starting, the fact that Jake felt like he had a connection. And then, you know, his relationships within that.

So I'm going to give three points to him. I really, I want to give it to Nate. I think it's really hard to, he's not necessarily, On the outer, although he feels like that, I think that he's the perfect example of working with who's around you. I don't think he actually strikes me as the guy that would be doing the meditations with Sage and Shannon, but he's there and he's doing it. And I think he's adapting really, really, really well to the people that he's with.

And then Rizzo, how can you not give points to someone who, like, cheated in the puzzle? Just blatantly cheated. and Alex didn't even like flinch at it. It was like, surely not to kind of fool someone as smart as Alex seems to be by cheating from him and then getting the wheel so quickly. That is absolutely incredible. And for me, Rizzo was the hero of this episode. Yeah.

People are so angry about the quote unquote cheating, but you've always been allowed to look at other people's puzzles. Absolutely. I think that he did what he had to do. I was thinking should he just run and start. digging, like just in any random place. I don't think you can do that. I think it would be like on the amazing race where they're like,

you didn't finish this task and now you have a penalty. Yes, that's true. But then to like not have a puzzle piece to, you know, the elliptical didn't help Alex as much as he thought it would. I think that for me, Rizzo was really the hero of this and I'm very excited to see how he maneuvers through this tribe that now have relationships that he is not in. He is not. For me, he seemingly is on the bottom of this tribe.

because he wasn't there and didn't have that pivotal time of relationship building, which I think a personality like that might need. So he was the hero for this episode. Honourable mention to Stephen for two people having confessionals on how much they wanted to work with him.

I think that's really cool. And I hope his paranoia, the seeming paranoia, doesn't bite him in the butt because he, I think, has potential to do really, really well. Yeah, and then Rizzo comes back and tells them his life story.

And Nate does include Rizzo when he's talking to Savannah. So there's good stuff there. That's true. I do think, I do think so. I mean, even the challenge,

he's like dedicating it. He's like, this was for you, mom. Like, he's not even like done. It was the fact that like, Alex was like collapsed on his table.

And Rizzo's like, could you just move? I can't cheat off you. And he's like, I don't want you to cheat off me. Like, I'm doing it on purpose. Like,

I'm very excited to see. If that's the goal that we get for first episode when everyone's at their most nervous, I'm very excited to see what happens when Rizzo gets a little bit comfortable. Like, and like ready to, to rip a band-aid. I do actually have faith that he's going to make some cool

crazy moves. And that's a big call for New Era because people say that they will and they won't, but I actually have faith that he will. Ritha just comes across so young to me. Like he's not. Yeah. He's 25. And I was 25 when I played. Yeah, but the thing is like Nicole's 26, Tophie's 27. Like, Rizzo doesn't seem 25 to me. Like, I know he lived a lot of life. But when I told Peter that Rizzo was 25, like he was shocked. I think he comes across like 21. Yes, because only a 21-year-old would call themselves Rizgod. Exactly.

Exactly. I agree with you. So you would think, and yet, that is a fully-fledged adult man, but he has a chilly point. So well done to the Riz God. Is it the Riz God or just Riz God? You're asking the wrong person. Every time he said it, I rolled my eyes.

So I wasn't really. But I think that we're getting a slight little peek as to why he calls himself the Riz God, because he can pull off moves like that. not everyone could do that in a challenge shenan i certainly couldn't be losing by so dramatically like and by someone who's so physically strong like alec so good at puzzles and he did that so well it's like all right this is only helping his mentality of why he's the risgod i think it's just i think it's just i mean like it was very impressive i just think that there's a high bar to calling yourself for his god i also thought like in terms like risgarde i can't rizzo and alix both

put their hand up to do this task that we're saying is unenviable. Yeah. And they're both getting a lot of chizzy points. Well, Alex was a lot. And Rizzo, you know, he got a chizzy point. And I think it might feel ill advised, but people are like, I don't want to go. Like, you want to them. I was like, no.

And I think that because people were so reticent, they really did take one from the team. Like, it would be very upsetting to be mad at them when they did what no one wanted to do. And I think that went a long way for why Jake was like, Jake was. gassed and he didn't want to do it and Alex like put himself in that spot so Alex was like not Alex Jake was very um grateful that Alex had done that and I think also with Rizzo like he he said he's like I don't know that I'll be good at it but I'll do it and I think you just kind of have to be thankful because no one else there's not like they were like doing scissors paper rock to do it like they were all like thank you for taking off of the team so I actually think that they worked out well

I am glad that like no one held it against Rizzo and Alex for going um so that I hope that in the future people feel like they can put up their hand a little bit more. I'm really glad that no one used that the fact that they're away to their advantage in a negative way and more sore it is a positive hero moment. I hope that leads to more people wanting to do the exciting things. Yeah, and like Alex doesn't win, but he took one for the team and Jake is grateful for that. And Rizzo does win. And Rizzo goes in being like, hey, no one will do it, I'll do it, but I don't feel good about it.

And then comes back and has won. Like, that's a good moment. That's so... This is a great example of why to go and do it and actually being away is not a hindrance. Alex has shown that, like that being away has worked kind of to his benefit. So Alex is a great example of what to do.

Yeah, I don't think you should be fighting to do it. No. I think that you can lose more than you gain, but I think when to show you're a team player when no one else wants to do it, like you do gain some goodwill. And I think they both did. Yes, I'm saying all this.

I'm not ever. If I ever put in that opportunity, I'm not the person that would be putting up my hand. Know that I'm, do as I say, not as I do. I was never going to be that person, absolutely not. Even though I'm annoyed about it. Not honest. So, yeah, do as I say, not as I do. I mean, it needs to feel like an imposition.

Like, I'll do it for you guys. I'm like, thank you so much. Thank you for this favor. So, which it was, which it is. So fair enough. Like, you should get out of that. We had a question from Logan Ledger, who asked who, from the season would be the best coven member

there's a lot of people I think there's one name that's very obvious that's my name yeah it has to be Shannon doesn't it it has to be Shannon I think that she immediately would have come into the coven I think that she would have absolutely loved that the thing is the coven is

full of very very strong opinionated women and so is Shannon so she would have fit right in I don't think that the fate of the Coven would have been any different if Shannon was the best. I think she actually would have it would have been the same chaos that it was. But immediately Shannon, I think that she would have been perfect. And I also would love someone like Christina in the Coven. I think that she's hilarious. And we would be having a Kiki, would be having a little laugh. So both of them I would

love to have in the Coff. Yeah, there's a lot of good options. But Laura, thank you for being my first guess. Tell the people what they can find of what you're doing. Um, you can find me on Instagram. Logan Karen and I are still doing the witching hour. We're going to be releasing little videos very quickly and those are all going to be on TikTok, all of our witching hour videos. We did some spoilers on Instagram, but soon more will be coming out on TikTok. Amazing. I'm not on TikTok. I'm not like, you know, Rizgard level. I don't, it's too. It's a slippery slope, Shannon. It is the bane of my existence and also my life partner at this point. Like, yeah, I wouldn't know if I were you because it is the best

the worst thing that's ever happened to me. Yeah, it's below me age-wise, I mean. It's like above me capabilities-wise because I can't use TikTok. People send me TikToks and I'm like trying to do it. It's like, you must create an account. I'm like, I refuse. It's so annoying. Yeah, no. I mean, it's so great. I love it because I learned so much and you can see the witching hour and you can see, you know, the TikToks that I post. But it also just has me hooked. I just am thinking about when I can go back. I really am in my brain rock kind of era. But I actually do this there's witch talk i don't know if you know this so there's ticot and then there's a side of ticot called witch talk where witches from around the world share their you know

opinions on things views on things the lessons the spells all these things so i'm definitely heavy on the witch talk and i love it that's crazy yeah it's really cool it's really really love witch talk yeah i've learned something i've learned many things but that i didn't and would never have known well i'm not on ticot or wish talk. I'm on I'm on Instagram, Twitter, Blue Sky at Shannon Gates.

A lot of content at the moment. I had an interview with JLP, which was fun. We went over an hour and a half. It was so good. It was so much fun. I asked him about being thirst over. I asked him about the ball puns.

I asked him about that time that his Twitter got hacked and he never got it back. We also spoke about like his actual posting and his survivor takes and like losing your role and all of that.

But like also being thirst over. I need to listen to it. All I have gathered is, like, his very strong American accent. Yes, people are getting to people around him as any actor does. But when he was around us, he was super Aussie. So hearing his American accent, I'm like, oh, my God. I think this must be more natural and he must lean into the Australianisms for Australian Survivor because that's what they would want.

Yeah. Because it's an Australian show. It was shocking. It was shocking to Australian. So when repeating words, like, he'd probably just be saying it in an Aussie accent, because we are. But if he's around Americans, he's seemingly got a very thick accent.

This is a thing. I'm sorry, when my mom goes back to South Africa, she becomes so much more. Like, she has a South African accent. But even more than when she's in South Africa, I'm like, why are you talking like that?

Like, she reverts back. You know what I mean? Like, I think that is really a thing. Yeah, you mimic people. Of course. You absolutely mimic people. It's like an animal instinct thing to, like, not be seen as different.

So you mimic the people around me. That always happens. Yeah. Cassidy, two wines, I become British. Just like two wines taken up, all of a sudden British. I think that's different. When I was Harry Potter, I become British. I love Harry Potter.

My British accent is awful. He does like, please stop. I'm like, no. Never. Never. Or worth. That's why I get into it. It's terrible.

It's very, very bad. But my mom does do that. And people don't think, I don't think they understand it. And people haven't lived in multiple places, I don't think they get it. I'll be like, mom, we've been here for days. Why are you, so like, just a few days. Why are you doing that? And I think people don't get, but they, with JLP, they're confused.

It's like, someone's allowed to have a confused accent. I do. My accent is all over the place. Like, damn, let us, let someone live. Let someone vomit on TV all the time. Like people vomit. Let them speak weirdly. Okay?

She's allowed to vomit. I'm saying from an edit point of view, I feel really bad for her that they showed her vomiting. Like, she would have been so mortified to watch this episode. And then seeing, the vomit. I'm like, oh my god. Okay, yeah. It's just okay. We've had worse.

We've had worse. It's harsh. We piled on. They did, but yeah. Anyway, JLP was and then we had, we're still doing like, you know, postseason AUV world. We had poverty. We might get more. We've done like Luke. We, you know, had all the ex-interviews as well. And next week, I'm doing the double Laura for 49.

Because I have Laura Noonan. Yeah. And then maybe after that I should do Jessie Noonan. and maybe then I should get a different Jesse and then I just keep, it's like a chain but I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to get Jesse. I was just going to stop.

I was going to say there's another Noonanan which is Charles Nudan. I could get Charles. Yeah. Yeah. And then I would be so fascinated to see Jesse. I FaceTime Jesse the other day. He wouldn't have watched 49. So maybe just getting his rogue opinions

would just be hilarious. That would be a great episode. It'd be an interesting thing to do for the bit of just the names. He's hilarious. He's hilarious. I'll have, um, Noon next week. And then I launched my own podcast. It's called Gus and Around. Yeah, this is on YouTube if you look at Gus and Around podcast. So it's G-U-S-S-I-N-A-Round podcast. It's also on Apple.

It's also on Spotify. If you search Gus and Around. I've posted about it on social media. Peter and I do that. My husband, Peter and I, and we're going to record our second episode. We put out the first episode. We cried. We laughed. We talked about our journey to having kids and all of that. We talked about some behind-the-scenes stuff in terms of, you know, covering AU-V world. and just like our lives. So the next episode we're going to talk about revealing the gender of our baby, a baby girl and kind of how we reacted to that in different ways. And we're going to talk probably about the JLP interview.

We're going to talk about the reaction to the first episode. And we might ask us some questions that we got. So we have too much to talk about already. Like we're going to have to really spread the stuff out. But it's been really fun. Oh, gosh. It's so exciting. Yeah. And you have a member as well that I'm having.

Oh my gosh. That's so exciting. I can't wait for this new baby girl to be part of the coven. Yeah, I know. It's great. Great. A little Swifty for Nate to hate. Nate hate Swifties.

One thing I don't like about Nate. Really? He wasn't pet peeve. He said Swiftie's just kidding. And I'm like, Nate, just reached out. Tell us how much you were kidding. That's a red flag for me. That's a real red flag.

Because you can't engage how much Taylor Swift has changed the music world. And the effect that she's had on feminism. and music and you I understand if you don't like pop music but people it's not cool to dislike someone as big as Taylor Swift it doesn't make you different so that's a red flag for me to be fair he didn't say Taylor Swift who is very much the marvel of the pop world yeah but um he said swifties different the fans can be annoying some of that is very valid the fans can definitely the intense, I will give him that. And I was in the AAA reserve when she came to Melbourne.

Like, I was front- How did that? How? I touched her hand twice when I was 17, 16. I'll show you videos of how close that was. I touched her hand twice. That's so cool. I was in the stage.

I got chosen to come down in the stage on the fearless tour. It's the best note day of my life. Yeah, it was incredible. And we were like literally like, as if this death was the stage, I was like leaning on the stage and I touched her hand. Why, as people have become more and more fans of Taylor, they've become harder and harder. Last time I had to get them,

not through official channels is how I got my tickets, but I made it there. I had tickets on the side. It was fine. I just, I don't know how you would get, do your triple A for the ERAs tour? Yeah. How did you do that?

It's nepotism. What, did you go through the ticket master or ticket tech or whatever it was? No, my dad, someone that was working for the MCJ. And now I know you. And it's never worked for me before. I'm an actor and I wish nepotism worked for me before then. But this is the one and only time that nepotism has worked for me.

That's incredible. See, this is the thing is like maybe Nate loves Taylor Swift and he's like, his pet peeve is Swifty is when he's trying to get tickets. Me too, you know, because I was here first. Like, I get it. That is annoying. You're a good person. Do you know that?

You're a really, really good person. Because you're right. They're thinking about this from the opposite point of view. We have to assume everyone's a Taylor Swift fan. I think so. I think he's a Taylor Swift fan who's like, he doesn't like the Swifties who have bad takes. Or take away of tickets because he can't get tickets.

But yeah, nepotism is the way I got my tickets. But he's successful. I think he could get tickets pretty easily. That's true. I mean, actually, I would love to be on a Marvel set. That'd be very fun. And Nate, I give you cheesy points. yeah well there you go you're an actress you were thinking that's very smart

I didn't put that to me yeah yeah all the points I have are going to Nate Nate here's my headshot so thank you so much Nate yeah well Laura this was so fun thank you so much for being my guest for the premiere thank you all for listening and thank you to our team behind the scenes I'll see you next time bye Survivor. Survive. Survival. Twenty-one South African-12 ordinary Australia.

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