RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor Global: The Secret To The New Era Early Game | S47 Premiere with Caroline Courtis

Episode Date: September 20, 2024

Survivor Global host Shannon Guss talks to Australian Survivor Titan Caroline Courtis about the first week of Survivor 47.

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Survivor. New Zealand. 21 South African. 12. australian survivors one million pounds Hello everyone and welcome to IHAP's coverage of Survivor Global for Survivor 47. I'm your host Shannon Guss. I'm here to talk about a premiere on Rob has a podcast, the TV famous Rob has a podcast, can you believe that? And I have a guest here to talk about that premiere. It is the great runner up of the recent Australian Survivor Titans V Rebels. Caroline Cordes. Caroline, thank you for being here. Hey, so good to see you, Shannon.

So excited to recap this first episode, which was like, I think was one of the best first episodes in the new era history. So I think we're going to have so much fun today, so much to get through. But I'm so excited for us to discuss this today. Yeah, a lot to discuss. How have you been, Caroline, since we did the deep dive, having just come off the season? And I know you traveled and had some survivor events yourself. So how have the last few months been?

The last few months have been really, really good. I'm actually living up in Burley for a little while at the moment and sunny. I mean, not that I'm far away from home anyway. I might need less than an hour, but honestly, the weather is so good. It's like 26, 27 today. I just, I don't know. It's just such a different vibe than Melbourne. But I've been really good. Yes, we've done quite a bit of traveling. Um, I went to the States at the end of last year and saw the finale for season 46. And honestly, I had one of the best times. Oh yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. In May. It does feel like the end of last year. I agree. Yeah. You play Survivor this year. That was on TV this year. Oh my God. Sorry. And absolutely. That was honestly one of the, I had one of the best

times of my life and to be part of this Survivor family and to go over there and get to know people that you feel like, you know, anyway, and then you get there and they're like, oh my God, Caroline. anyway and then you get there and they're like oh my god Caroline and they know you it was anyway I had like I said one of the best times ever um something everyone interested in Survivor should do go and go to one of those finale parties and everything else that goes with it yeah I mean if you want to play it's probably a good place to meet people you might be playing with given how many super fans are on the season absolutely yeah and that's really playing out strategically which is awesome and we will talk about it I will say we are on YouTube now getting into video not a moment too soon it is 2024 I'm like maybe we should be doing the video

recap so we're doing that well done Shannon yes I know well done for getting into something years late finally getting pulled across the line to do video. Of course, then now I'm coming off the back of being sick for a couple of days. So sorry, I look and sound terrible, but thank you. No, I'm not fishing. I genuinely am just like, need to be at my best first video recap, but I'm excited. I'm energized by the episode. And what, so you thought it was one of the best premieres. What did you love about the premiere? I don't know. I just feel like, um, like sometimes during some of those episodes, like some of those episodes, you feel like you, things are getting a little bit lost or you feel like, why am I not seeing more of this? Or why am I not seeing more of that?

I feel like, yes, I didn't see enough of all of the cast, but overall I was captivated from start to finish. Did I want more? Of course, we always want more. But I felt really, really captivated. Those characters and those contestants that they really focused on were super interesting. I can't wait to get in to chat about each one of them. There were some people that were

definitely becoming my faves quite quickly so yeah yeah I mean it's hard for me and I said this to you a little earlier before we recorded I mean to compare it to like the Titan V Rebel premiere which I truly think is one of the best premieres ever is a hard thing to do and that premiere is so epic like you travel like journeys in that premiere not like the journeys they went on in this episode harder to do that with the six-person tribes you know as it's been talked about to death there are inbuilt issues with the format that limit i think some of how dynamic that is you know when andy talks about the potential for relationships you know that would be a more difficult math equation if they were bigger tribes you know exactly do the math right now of how many

relationships are available in the 12 people that you had exactly so that is extreme I think within the new era there are parts I really like I really like this cast but I've loved them from the pre-season part of me too part of me wonders do I do I like the cast so much and did I enjoy this episode so much because I know them from the excellent pre-season coverage that I listened to with Mike or is it in this episode and I do think that the episode didn't do justice to our great the cast is like if you didn't listen to the preseason stuff I can see how maybe you come away not having had that justice from the cast because so much of it was scavenger hunt based and I've seen enough boxes and keys probably to last me

four lifetimes I think that's yeah that's right and why didn't they just smash it open like seriously why didn't they do a Mark Warnock and just smash it open anyway you know what I love about Titans V Rebels that that was the box that we got that was not not open I mean it was comical to a degree but it was like way too much um and I you know everyone gets a confessional the new era is very good with that but I still felt that from a new era perspective, where again, it can be quite even, I thought this was pretty lopsided. There's still a lot of people to get to know. I think that it was quite limited in that way,

I think because so much of it was on the Trek. So those would be my major complaints because obviously those are the things I'm going to get out of the way first, but you know, there was a lot of compelling stuff here as well, but yeah, I just feel like, do we need that many boxes and keys? And so did Rome find a key that's going to lead him to a box it's going to lead him to three more boxes because I simply cannot next week that was Gabe no Gabe and Rome Rome found a key but it's multiple boxes and Gabe is already through the boxes and then someone on Gata god forbid will find another key into many more boxes. I know, that's next episode, baby.

I can't do it. I physically refuse, I think. Like, I just, it's too much for me. Like, on Nodals, they were saying that, you know, that's the structure of the show that, like, creates decision-making, which we will talk about. And it is true to a degree. But, like, it's too much time investment.

Like, it feels like that's how they've really chosen to use the extra time for the two hours here or what is 90 minutes and I feel like they're definitely diminishing returns where a lot of it isn't decision making and a lot of it is just running around often individually in some type of scavenger hunt um where there was a great secret scene that Rome posted which was like much more about the actual dynamics even around searching for things so I'd much rather get that and we'll talk about that secret scene than just like box after box oh my god like please no more boxes and imagine if Andy was in a 12 person tribe like imagine how that would have overwhelmed him. Like, so being in a six person tribe, he was overwhelmed enough.

Imagine being in a 12. That is, it's a lot. Well, it's hard because if he's in a 12 person tribe, maybe he feels like he finds more of his people, you know? So, and with John, I feel like he was really cursed

by the six person tribe because I feel, which we'll talk about, like, I feel like it was a very physical decision where there's a lot more room to hide as someone who's not even that weak. But like when you're kind of out socially from four people which is just an unfortunate way to start the game and when you're against like one other seemingly more physical person there's just

not a lot of room to move and that's that's how constricting that the the six tribes the six person tribes can be but I mean I want to I feel like this episode for me like the major theme and I tease this to you before we record but I feel like I've said this for a while, but it's never been more clear to me in like the binary and the theme from this episode. And I feel like I have the secret to new era, at least new era early game survivor, maybe just early game survivor. Tell us, Shannon.

This is my thesis point, and it is based on things I've said before, but before every decision you ever make, this is a secret. What is every decision you make within at least the first week of survivor and especially new era survivor you'd ask yourself one question and then just go based on what that is is this a social decision with hopefully a majority of the tribe if it's social do it if it's anti-social individual don't do it because i feel like every single person who made a very individual or advantage-based or aggressive decision in this episode was wrong across the board and every social decision is something that I think is good I mean how do you kind of look at

that obviously you start off really social making like the middle-aged mafia like making allies and then the game builds up but how do you kind of feel about that as someone who's played to start especially especially when you're in those first few days of the game you're still getting to know people and sometimes it's difficult to get to know other people obviously I had 11 11 other people I needed to get to know I'm sure in a six-person tribe it's a lot quicker because you can all sit down together and you're doing a lot of things together whereas we were down together and you're doing a lot of things together. Whereas we were off kind of in groups. Do you know what I mean? But that social

capital that you gain in those first few days is so, so important. And yes, I absolutely agree with you. You need to base a lot of what those big decisions or even little decisions on what that social, how much social capital is that going to give you for the next couple of games, at least until you get to be on the next tribal, your own next tribal council. So yes, it's huge. And I feel like not enough in this episode that not enough emphasis was kind of placed on that and I feel like yeah that it should have been social capital is like it's gold out there yeah I wrote an article in the off season that I'll plug for the confessional um which was about like social

capital um you know accruing social capital to spend it strategically which is a point I've talked about before and I really like wrote that out and i feel like more and more sure about that as a concept because it's like okay so you're going to go after getting some sort of tool in the game which is an idol going yeah you know and we've seen they've they've seen in the in the last two seasons that that the that's becoming very public very long like it's exhaustive you're going to be investing time obviously like largely individual time if that's the decision you make into getting a tool in the game every single relationship you make can be a tool in the game that's more beneficial so if that's the priority like there's a finite amount of time and energy that you have

if you're investing it in that very individual thing I think that is absolutely the wrong decision not to mention it's public and shady so for me I mean I'd be leaving beware advantages as my second option my first option and I've said this for a long time and I really think it's the way to go is bring people in like the real four didn't fully make the four on that on purpose but it happened and it worked so well like if I'm gay well the best thing you did on this was bringing in Sue bring in your four yeah cultivate the four on something like you found a clue now I'm bringing you in immediately and now we're building something with trust and like real capital that you've built to build social capital if Rome had done that rather than being individual and

everyone's looking at everyone's looking at me so on the outs I mean Rome could get Genevieve Tini and Kishan because it feels like that could have been possibly a group and that could be the group but to be so individual to give that time to have people find you I mean for Gabe it was not good TK clocked him he's unaware that TK did not buy the lie for Rome he's so out like just not so that's the question do you lie like do you do you go and tell him what what you're up to or do you or do you not my thing is he should have never been in that position because had he brought in the group from the beginning yeah he'd be fine you know he'd never be accidentally found he wouldn't even be at that risk and if he's found by one of the other two people it doesn't matter you're not in the

majority then you lie whatever they feel bad about you you're already out so and if you're found by one of the other two people it doesn't matter you're not in the majority then you lie whatever they feel bad about you you're already out so and if you've already gotten ahead of that then there's no risk of anyone finding you because you are in control of how that information is disseminated yeah yeah yeah it was um so different between that between both um Gabe and Rome the way that they went about it I feel like Rome, sorry, Gabe bringing in Sue was obviously a really, really good point, and I think that those two are going to become really, really great allies. I love the fact that he saw her as the older woman and thought that was part of his strategy.

I'm going straight in. I'm going straight to that older woman. I know that she's got life experience. I know that she's, you experience. I know that she's, you know, once you found out what she did, she's probably, you know, she's clearly a very smart woman that, um, and she's calmer to pressure. She seemed like she was calmer to pressure anyway. So I feel like. That was good. Do it with two more people. Now you have a majority. That's right. And in my notes, I've got like, all you need is that four person majority. Like

that's what you need to be from the second you, you know, you're going into a tribe of six. So, you know, you need to go out there and find your tribe of four. Like you need to get your four person alliance and get stuck with it and get stuck into it and start working hard because that is going to pay dividends down the line. Yeah. The math is simple. And it's literally written out on the screen by Andy. I mean, I wouldn't be going out and trying to find a beware advantage because that already is oh but if you stumble on a beware advantage now you have the cap now you have the capital to yeah you know to really make friends with it and especially because these beware advantages have been so as we've seen like now is the matter around like

they're long in public and like you need help and like get that help like do it as a group bring people in because if you're going to do it individually like you don't even know what you're gaining Gabe gains at first a one tribal idol then he's eventually earned a three tribal idol like that can barely offset the social capital you've lost like now you need it when you might have never even needed it um what is your vote like and as you lose your vote so you need allies to cover for the fact that you've lost your vote that's right i will take the risk on this i'll lose my vote and we'll do it together there's so much there to be done collaboratively especially with so much risk there's a way to make it really social and i just feel like rome and gabe made it really anti-social

what did you think about gabe tapping out at the three tribal idol rather than making it a full game final five idol? I probably would have done the same, to be honest. I feel like because he didn't know what was required to get to that next idol. And if he did, he still didn't have a vote at the next tribal. So I'm like, no, a vote at the next tribal so I'm like no get yourself through the next three tribal councils if you possibly can and then try from

there but no that's probably where I would have gone to be honest um and especially when you're out there like you know you're you feel under pressure like and it's that um you know it's that decision. Instead of thinking like right to the end of the game, you've just got to think about the next three tribal councils or the next two tribal councils or the next one tribal council. I wouldn't be looking ahead to the end of the game right now. I feel like I agree. Like, I mean, like my second option is don't take it at all. Once you've done,

like once you've already put so much heat on yourself, TK has found you and you have it through like the first like leg of this trek or scavenger hunt and then the second like you're in for a penny like you are too far in the hole to turn around like too far in the well that Rome was in upside down I feel oh my god I was just waiting for somebody to walk down the path or walk around the corner. I mean, you know, you've got to be so careful in the fact that, you know, Rome had it a little bit harder than Gaben that he had to get wet. So you can see. It was so funny. It was so funny. And imagine coming around the corner or walking down to the well and seeing someone's arm switchly hanging out of the well. You'd be like, you'd be so mad that they're dirtying up the well anyway.

Well, you know, I feel like Max Dawson was the one who was like washing his foot in the pot water. Like people have been watered up less than dirtying up some water. So if you were to see Rome, you might just be like classic Rome. You know, he's the kind of guy who would be upside down in the well. Like who knows? But it was comical, like the fact that he just was wet the fact that like gave the box that kept falling like I I know and it felt like the tribe could hear it like here yeah they probably couldn't but like I feel like

I know Australia like it was it was like the loudest I just need to be like very very quiet and then like the clanging was it was comical but yeah if I was Gabe I would I'd be just taking I'd be like now I'm in it now I'm taking the full idol which is so much further than three tribals like that could that could be everything but obviously again he shouldn't even be in that position he should have if that was the decision he was going to make never take beware or if he had brought in multiple people you could easily take the full um season idol because you have people looking out for you yeah but he wasn't yeah he only had two yeah yeah that's the decision he made though like that just shows how wrong that is because he could have a full season idol do you wonder whether he actually discussed with sue about okay i've got you who else should we bring in because you could see her getting quite close to Caroline as well and yeah so

should he have said to Sue hey let's you know who are you close to right now do you feel comfortable bringing her into an alliance with us who's Caroline close to you so who's our four let's build and exactly use the re before so well let's be the reaver four like look how well that went for them two making it to the final three one winning all getting to the ordinary yeah they all got this idol together let's be that group really intentionally yeah and then you'd never have to wonder should i take the full season idol because you'd have you'd be fine you're the majority of the tribe you've got your posse around you so you know you've got that support you know that you're going to be communicating

with these people you know that when you get to um when you're getting to um oh gosh um what's it called when you're getting to scramble that you've you know the right people that you just need to make a decision with really quickly and then scramble is done you know yeah there's not everyone's not stuffing stuffing up all over the place an interesting thing it was from the pre-season that a lot of the players seemed very anti-advantages and big moves coming off watching most of 46 where people were voted out with so many idols in their pockets where everyone turned on their number one it felt like a cast that was investing more socially that was kind of away from this meta of the advantages and I think that that has played out in the way that that's going badly for

people but I did appreciate that multiple boxes aside that the show was giving some decision making and like multiple options and that idols are less powerful by the fact that people have to keep earning it with difficulty um to get that little. I thought that was good, but yeah, few keys and boxes in the future. Yes. Yeah. Can we do something else, please? This was a lot. I mean, yeah, and so for Rome on that,

I thought it was funny with Rome, he criticizes Asia, which I'll do soon as well on her decision to put her hand up for the trek and to go try and over surprise. He's like, the social game is how I win my million dollars. Proceeds to do the opposite of that for the next the social game is how I win my million dollars proceeds to do the opposite of that for the next hour of the show.

I know. Yeah. What did you think of Rome? Oh, well, and then when he does get it and then he just walks off and there is like there, the rest of the tribe is right behind him and he's.

I think it makes sense. Do you? No, I'm good. It's like, well, if my cat also thinks that if he can't see me I can't see her like if her tail is sticking out of the blinds but she can't see me I can't

see her is that how things work right like that's my cat I have a cat as well and when he like sometimes he'll sit on the couch beside us and he's looking at us and he can see us but then some other times he's turned around the other way and he can't see us and it's like exactly what my cat thinks yeah talk to the bat Roman my cat and your yeah have a lot in common yeah is Roman cat because then I'm coming around on the gameplay but otherwise yes I think that if everyone's walking you can't just be like I'm not here you know like they they can see you but then he it seemed like that that secret scene that we didn't, that we saw on his ex, that that secret scene kind of showed that he maybe was trying to gain a little bit more social capital there

back from losing a little bit when he did do that walk-off after he had found it. So, yeah. I thought the secret scene was terrible for him. Just to clarify. So, yeah. I thought the secret scene was terrible for him. Just to clarify. Oh, yeah. The secret scene would have been, like,

one of my favorite scenes of the episode, if it had made the episode. I thought it was more compelling, certainly, than all of, like, the scavenging, but also just was a great scene, and it kind of was on for 46, which had some incredible secret scenes that didn't make the cut. And, like, I understand that, like, Nami, you know, don't make the end game or what it'd be like there was some stuff between

like Venus and Tevin like some great stuff even stuff between like Maria and Ben that like you would think would be essential and didn't make the edit um and this secret scene so to just clarify you can go find it um I retweeted it and it's on Rome's Twitter where um Sol was like you know I kind of like Rome so that's an interesting dynamic because we see him in the episode being like Rome doing too much but he's like yeah Rome is doing too much I'm gonna tell him and he's like Rome do less you know I think what I was saying on my TV just do less um and Rome isn't like thank you so much for the knowledge Sol does like he's like oh are people talking about me and Sol says no but just just do less

and like maybe Sol's gonna be like people are kind of blocking it a little bit so that's what I would say so that Rome really knows he's really doing it solid isn't just giving me his opinion but Rome is offended don't tell me how to play the game it's like Rome I think that maybe you should get a few lessons um and like is very anti that and talks about it to Genevieve so this was I thought really really fascinating and speaks to a few things we saw from Rome in the episode where he thinks it's going great despite the fact that he knows Asia Clarkson despite the fact that multiple people walked by asked him kind of while he was doing this and he thinks it's not reading the room is he no he's not he's really not yeah yeah I totally agree and um it'll be interesting to see where that story goes do you know what I

mean like in terms of are they going to start thinking him super shady all the time now because he has spent so much time away from camp and so much time on his own and he's really not integrating himself into the tribe to get to know those other people so that he is gaining some social capital. Yeah, which is what he says. He was the one who gave the confessional about how you should invest in the social relationships. And then he's doing the very

individual thing. He brings in no one, not even. I know. And, and, and maybe, you know, like some people are like that, like they can say all the, all the things that need to be said, but they can't actually self-reflect. They can't say that within themselves. And he's a prime example of that isn't he yeah he says in the scene to Genevieve I would definitely tell you and then he tells us he would not and he is not um yeah I don't think that's good is it a social move with the majority no think about that's the one question I will though say that I agreed with the advice he couldn't even follow when he said he disagreed with Asia I agreed I'm very critical of everyone who put their hand up to do what would have been sweat versus savvy and was now just like another

journey stage challenge yeah um yeah I mean Jeff Jeff says that it's basically it's to earn supplies I'm telling you the exact wording that he gets he said it's a task to earn supplies and he gives nothing else so you know there's going to be a lot on you um and you know you're going to be fully separated from the tribe in the first few hours of social yeah which is so important to be part of yeah old literally gold um tk tiana and carl who all do the scissors paper rock which jeff loves um critical of all three of them asia as well like putting up her hand i mean it seems at least that no one else wanted to do it and she kind of took one for the team, which is kind, but there's a reason maybe no one else wants to do it, you know, for what we're saying.

There was a better way of doing it without putting so much of a target on her back. Yeah, I mean, if no one wants to do it, then you should all be drawing suits. Like you should not have to put yourself up for that. It's not a good thing. And I think that, you know, to be isolated socially, having to come back and tell a story with so much on your back. I mean, it seems she rebounded well from that, having not

got the supplies, but why she like, why even put yourself in that position, poking your head up? I really, really disagree. And it's not what I would have done. And it's obviously not what you would have done. But I feel like, you know, a lot of these players out there, they are fans of Survivor. And so they just want to give it the biggest red hot go that they want to be involved in everything and, you know, obviously she was hoping that she was going to win. But even if you win, even if you win, like you come back and it goes well for TK, then you've still lost those hours.

Yes, yeah. It's not something that I would have wanted to give up and I'm a huge survivor fan so it's not something that I would have given up easily to do it to do it absolutely not you want that opportunity yeah I want to be able to sit with my tribe on with my tribe I want to be able to talk and get to know people as you're building shelter, as you're, you know, getting everything ready for hopefully getting your supply kit. Yeah. I mean, putting yourself out there, having to wrestle with TK, who felt so good about her, you know, in the preseason and maybe still does, but like the wrestling and then he comes back and he's like, oh, she tried to wrestle it from me. Like, why are we even talking about you? You know,

like you shouldn't even be there because you shouldn't put your hand up because you shouldn't be poking your head up. And I thought that it could have gone really badly they were trying to form a four-person majority before she'd even really gotten the chance to introduce herself but luckily I think she got lucky in the fact that Teenie knows her from the podcast yes from the podcast yes absolutely she fed it to Asia as well she does very well with that she comes back she socially integrates it seems like they've made a new four without Rome and even Genevieve connected to Rome. She's doing her work, which they're all kind of doing and throwing Rome under the bus. Like she rallies well and Rome buries himself in a well. So that works out very well, very well. But that's Asia's superpower,

isn't it? That's her superpower. Like she knows that she's, she's coming to this game, knowing she's very good at forging connections with people that's part that's what she does in the outside world she knew that was going to be her superpower coming into it so it was actually quite beautiful to see it all play out like that but I like it like you and I agree you know I wouldn't have put myself out there to go on that journey and I I feel like also that, you know, the fact that they even tussled over the getting to here. Yeah, exactly. You know, like. I don't want to be tussling.

No. And, I mean, it would have been like, okay, you're there first. You've got the key. Off you go kind of thing. I don't think there needed to be any kind of tussle. But anyway. You should be in a position where you're even tussling like I think that she should be hustling not tussling I was just about to say the same thing I would have been saying right okay if we get to a point

where there's a tribe swap you know I'm Asia this is you know this is a little bit about me you know I'd love to you know love to you know make some kind of alliance right now and let's see what happens when when tribe swap swap happens and so yeah hustling instead of tussling it was hard because it was such a competitive task that they were given but that's why you don't know what it's going to be you know it's for supplies it might be individual like sweat and savvy have been but it might also be against each other like again just being in that environment where again possibility for connection but at the expense of the socializing with your tribe a possibly anti-social connection which it was is so damaging I think that she does

well after I think that she compounds on the luck and does well with it the teeny knows and I think that even if teeny didn't know she still could have come back and been really social and been fine but she gave us the deficit that she didn't have to work back and like for why like don't do don't do the deficit to begin and she obviously thought that she could but i think that um teeny was kind of the icing on the cake for her and that was super super helpful yeah yeah yeah definitely and you know tk does well as well coming back with a possible deficit but does get the supplies and is so naturally charismatic that he's kind of winning allies there as well. But again, like, just do that. Just go in being charismatic from the get go. There's so many things I want to do and see, like redoing the basement without having to do it all myself or doing absolutely nothing with a spectacular waterfall view of course so i'm

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Gata. Gata. Andy. Gata. Let's talk about Andy. How are you feeling about Andy? Look, I felt for him so much when we saw him, like, completely unraveling in that challenge when

you saw him lying on the ground and the cameras went whoo it was like okay we know that it is like I could as a as a midwife and a nurse I know his color's still good he's obviously still got his eyes open he's still breathing he's fine um so to me it it felt like he was having a panic attack I said turned around to my husband and I said I feel like he was having a panic attack. I turned around to my husband and I said, I feel like he's having a panic attack. And I think that's what it was. I felt really sorry for him, but I just wanted to say to him, shut up, shut up, shut up, stop talking, stop talking. I really feel like you're throwing yourself under the bus and taking John along with you. It was, yeah, it was really sad to see.

I mean, obviously on our season we had a couple of episodes where we had Scotty leave due to he had had enough of the game and he wanted to leave. And it kind of brought those memories back of him and how it can make you spiral. You've got to be a really, really, you've got to be really strong mentally out there because like you're on your own and you're the only person that you're fully relying on is yourself at all times. And you really have to try and remain calm and stop that paranoia. It just felt like that paranoia was just overwhelming him in the most humongous way.

Yeah. I felt for him. I know he's a huge, huge fan of the game and I think a little bit of insight. He was, wasn't he, he got through casting and season to the finals in season 45, I heard. He was close. Pardon? He was really close with a recent season. With season 45, I heard. He was close. Pardon?

He was really close with a recent season. With season 45. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, and so he's obviously had a long time to think about what this opportunity, if he gets this opportunity again, what it's going to mean to him and how he's going to feel out there, but nothing can quite prepare you for being out there and obviously it it overwhelmed him what did you think what do you think I cried but

I cry a lot I was pretty sick but no I really did I cry a lot but I'm so productive I um no I felt for Andy so so much um it's a curse to care too much about anything like it's a curse on survivor and like it's a good thing but also a curse in life like I've how many times in my life have I thought I wish I cared less about anything like yeah Andy cares so much about the game it's a well-worn path for super fans you had a little bit with Eden out there yeah like some other people are going on and they're having fun and it's obviously the opportunity of a lifetime but like yeah the passion to play the paranoia he got in his own head he was his

enemy and we've seen it so many times with super fans where it's just it's too much you care too much it's overwhelming yeah it was for him that you care too much and I really really felt for him because I felt like he was just all in his head and had he not done that I think he would have been okay given that he's literally still in the game even with doing as much as he did so that's how much like leeway he had that's how little he had to spiral because you have the leeway that they think they need to keep you physically even with all that he's gonna stay so had he not to begin like had he not like if the desperation hadn't reaped from the beginning and i know that he was

kind of out with john but this this is some, you know, initial stuff that can change at any point, you know, had that not happened and he hadn't gone to Rachel, Rachel was like, he's so, so sweet, you know, maybe like not a huge strategist, but he's really, really sweet. So he has some potential. And she could manipulate him. Like I felt like she could have done and she still obviously can but

she can do more with him I mean I feel like he trusts her so I feel like it's going to benefit her game to keep him there but what I am unsure about is his stability like his is he going to be okay for the next couple of days till they um you know, they do or do not get to another tribal council and how is he going to control those demons that he's kind of got swirling around his head at the moment. And that is, yeah, it's really sad. I didn't cry but I felt so much empathy for him because being out there is overwhelming.

And I remember at times when I did, I would just take myself off for a walk and go to the water, do something, get myself away and just calm myself down. I did not want anyone to see me in that kind of state whatsoever. And I tried not to ever let it be shown, but you can't help but feel that at some point out there it does get overwhelming yeah I mean I think it's actually relatable to life in dealing with anxiety which is like sure you have anxiety like really trying to like have these really practical ways to kind of quell that anxiety I know I've done that I've been like the worst case and I've tweeted like don't be tweeting you know like but then the same thing like he's trying to get something to like really cover that and that's not right like unfortunately when you're anxious and you're

trying to like solve it it's like you're the worst person to be making decisions like the anxious version of you should not be doing these things obviously in the extremely depleted way that he was on the mat and I know that Lindsay from 43 um as a nurse has been talking about you know physically if he should have even been on the mat to kind of have that breakdown I mean I don't know if we can put it fully on physically because I think he was making a lot of like erratic decisions throughout and it was based on that anxiety but yeah he's trying with Rachel to really like give me the balm for this you know like if I say it all maybe it'll make it better and it actually it seems to largely make it worse like you're trying and trying and trying and I think usually you kind of like you're digging deeper um into like the

wrong direction when you're making those decisions with oh yeah he was he was digging deep yeah yeah yeah not the digging deeper that Jeff wants you to do Jake it was like digging deeper into the well that row moved in on the other tribe and yeah I think that like I empathize so much with I like I love Andy you know um Andy reached out to me a few months ago when I was going through it with such a kind message and it really pains me that I'm sure he's going through it or I hope not but could be going through it a lot worse right now um you know like I could see how he got in his head and I think there are parts there like we did see conversations where he's on the outs like the coconut thing I don't really think it's anything because I think more that they're applauding John

as like a self-deprecating survivalist. You know, oh, you got the coconut. And it's novel that you got the coconut open. But I also think while that actual interaction probably doesn't mean as much, it is a symbol for him of actual dynamics that are worrying. But again, considering that he does all of that and still staves, he had more runway.

John said before the meltdown, he was hoping like annika rachel um and and andy and john could be a four not sure it would have panned out but he wouldn't have gone he didn't go um and there would have been options and he just everything he did just made that stock plummet further and further and i definitely feel for him that that went so badly yeah yeah so why do you think that they didn't vote him out yeah I mean what do you I mean Stephen and Rob were saying it was a good decision do you think what do you think about the decision not to vote him out look I think it's a I'm I'm quite divided because I really wanted to see John go further because I think he's quite a charismatic personality out there and I think that he was also a huge fan of the game.

Knowing that Andy was a huge fan of the game, it is going to be interesting to see whether he can actually calm himself down and really start thinking smartly and start thinking strategically and start talking with Rachel in a more, in a more non, like with more sense, do you know what I mean? Um, more, more smartly, but I, I mean, it's probably not what I would have done. I probably would have kept John. Yeah. It's really hard to think that, um, okay, how are we going to trust him? How is he going to be going forward? Is he going to be able to perform in challenges?

Is this going to overwhelm him again? I know that they talked a lot about strength. We need to maintain strength. We need to maintain strength. And I feel like John could have bought so much more not just in terms of his strength but you know if they get to more puzzles I feel like John was going to be a better puzzle maker than um than Andy probably will because I think John's got his head he's got his head well together but I was really sad to see John go it's always sad to see somebody go isn't it it's it's awful it wasn't good options

no it wasn't it's a great cast I think yeah the pain of the great cars where you're like I don't want any of these people to go but I mean they have Rachel and Annika on the puzzle so maybe they think that they're okay from a public standpoint very very well in the first challenge and then their boat capsized and they were kind of behind in the second challenge. How bad was that? My God, all those boats kept the two of them cat-sizing. That was just insane. You would be beside yourselves out there because those boxes looked heavy. More boxes. I know.

Yeah, and so much bigger than their boats. So the fact that the Red Tribe got to the beach as well as they did honestly that was fantastic that was absolutely fantastic yeah i really beat that challenge i love it but that's what this is why i'm thinking okay i'm like very against the decision to keep andy in the game yeah um like two two majories like last i know they were talking about this on odors like last season it was like jelinski is like a wild card but good to challenges which you can put in the Andy spot yes should we keep him and I thought yes you know I thought Jelinski was good enough for challenges that was essential but Jelinski was up against other wild cards and Jess and Banu that is not

the case here like Andy might be slightly stronger in challenges but if anything he's a wild card and John brings a good energy he's even killed he's a little bit out but he's going to be like a good asset to the tribe if you never lose again i think that john could be like a good option and he is like again as we're saying like we're trying to manage this wild card i think it's really really tough um and i actually think that it will make them worse at challenges like you've gained a little bit of physicality at the expense of having to manage this person a wild card who's thrown your whole tribe under the bus I'd rather go in cohesive especially in a fairly even challenge field as we're saying where for the I think the first time in the new

era they all got flint there was you know kind of winds across the board their boat capsized it's unfortunate but otherwise it feels fairly even I actually think that had they kept John it might have been the rare season where there is no disaster tribe in the new era and it was pretty even but now keeping someone actually ironically for challenge strength keeping Andy I think that he might implode them and even if they get rid of Andy next now they're down to four now they might be the disaster tribe so I think it was actually the wrong physical decision and the wrong game decision and they kept it for physical reasons that I actually think will backfire and thinking about it I do agree with you um I also think that going back into the next challenge those other tribes are going to look at that tribe and go what you didn't get rid of the easy yeah like what is so wrong with you that he can throw you

all under the bus yeah still're still doing that. Yeah. Like you don't feel confident. Yeah, what you love is an easy vote and it doesn't come along very often and you do like because at the end of the day it's going to be hard to vote anybody out. But if you can get any excuse to vote somebody out, you know, Andy definitely had the tar gone on his back. So, yeah, I really feel for John that he was the one that had to go home. And, oh, my gosh.

And what could have been. Yeah, I mean, I'm really upset to lose John. I do think it was a physical decision. I know there's been debate. Oh, yeah. You know, John's obviously a bigger threat than Andy. Yes, than Andy, who's now the least threatening person in the game. He's a great speaker.

He's literally been a presidential speaker. Yeah, exactly. But I don't think that that was what they were thinking of now um i think sam kind of talks about john playing hard but also andy has said he's a strategist who will throw even his number one under the bus and andy and john are putting out annika's name together if anything we saw andy say to john and in confessional he's the one who put out annika's name first and wanted her out so he's as much to blame if not and we know actually more um I don't think it was that Sam mentions the physicality the conversations we see are on physicality Rachel mentions the physicality I think it was a very very physical that's right um physical vote for me and I do think that you know for each person like Anika again they're both throwing her name

out we know Andy wants her out as much or more so it's kind of either way I think she campaigned really well why Andy should go and talking about how the physicality isn't enough of a differentiator I think he did you know that was a good argument but it didn't work um for Rachel which we'll talk about you you mentioned and I want to talk more about it um I would have cultivated Andy as you're saying and we'll talk about it but at the point where she hasn't cultivated Andy like definitely cut him so for her especially and for Sam um who it seemed like was you know somewhat the swing vote and we didn't see him as much from Sierra's point of view but I think for Sam no he does like his approach he doesn't want to be the strong guy probably doesn't want to be left with someone seen as like the older guy in John he's 42 it's depressing let's not talk about it

um but yeah like doesn't want to just be like the girls him and John but unfortunately like Andy is so much of a liability that you can't like have and eat that cake like yeah like I see his approach but unfortunately it does not work in this permutation of people so yeah I see like what you know possibly what they're thinking but it just for me was like a like woefully misjudged decision. Yeah, yeah, it does. And you've got to wonder whether Sam's thinking is Andy more of a shield for me than John is, you know, is the way that John was playing the game because he was what, there's 11 years difference between him and the next youngest player. Like is that enough of an age gap that John didn't really feel part of the whole entire group?

So, yeah. Was it an age thing? Was it a physical thing? Yes, it's probably a physical thing. And you and I both agree. I think they've made the wrong decision. Let's see how it plays out. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, you mentioned Rachel. So this was kind of a big thing. So Andy, so what did you feel about Andy kind of going to Rachel and then kind of like building on what you've said about Rachel here? What she, how she kind of, you know, responded to that? Well, it's a good question, isn't it? You know, was she right in kind of not locking in like a really strong alliance with him because she I mean we can see that she's smarter and more strategic than he is at this point of the game I don't think

his head is I'm sure this guy is a really smart guy but he's obviously his head's all over the place and she wants somebody that she can lock and load and they're going to be a number one or a number two do you know what I mean? And when you can't do that with somebody that you can, like when he asked her to separate herself from everybody in camp at nighttime because he was having probably a panic attack and she felt like, oh my God, you're putting a target on my back. Why are you doing this to me? I can see it from both sides.

Can't you? I kind of can actually. and I'll tell you why I first and I am still critical of how Rachel handled this but then part of me was like is it social with a majority to help Andy and I was like it's actually not you know like if I have to ask myself the golden question that I've just put out there as like the secret yeah and going off alone with Andy is not social for the majority and so I do see parts of that we do see Sierra putting it on John and Andy for going off alone she's doing part of that you hate to be the name um and I think that she's a big super fan who also has like she was alternate

um and she's like had such a journey to get here and she doesn't want to put herself out there and ironically parts of her own like strategy focus and paranoia and like care for the game might be playing out in a way where she's like, and really? Yeah. Do I have to be this person? Yeah. But it kind of showed a little bit of lack of empathy. But yeah.

And is that because she's so focused on getting her mark on the game or is it that she and therefore she doesn't have that capacity to show that empathy but what if she had actually said to the tribe look he's spinning out over here he's asking for me look I feel like I really should go over I'll let you guys know what's happening when I get back but um he's look he's obviously not going through it he's really having a hard time right now I'm going to go and help him I feel like if she just communicated stuff like that, then probably the rest of the tribe would have been like, you know what? Good, good on you, girl. That's a really nice thing to do. Go and help him out. He obviously feels like he can lean on you. Let's, you know, let's see where that goes.

So yeah, it's interesting, interesting dynamic. I look, I can see that goes. So, yeah, it's an interesting dynamic. Look, I can see that she's really, really, really focused on this game and she doesn't want to jeopardise her position. And, you know, you can see that side of it as well, can't you? You know, it takes a lot to get out there, so you do not want to put yourself in a position where you might jeopardize jeopardize your role so I I feel like if there'd been maybe a bit more communication then maybe she would have been able to kind of do both show some empathy for Andy and really be there for him but then

really come back to the rest of the tribe and go you know what he's having a meltdown I've sorted him out let's go to sleep i think that's a brilliant point and it's kind of what i was thinking in terms of she actually could have her cake and eat it too here that's right because i mean like you want to cultivate the spiraller um yeah tenzi with her social superpower did it really well with ben exactly does it with emily and a way that yes it's essential but because it's because it's so good for your game yes it could be threatening if anyone plots like is she trying to em like, is she trying to Emily him? Is she trying to Caleb and Emily this?

Like they can see that that is threatening. And I see why that's good. And also maybe possibly a red flag. But as you're saying, this did not need to be mutually exclusive. There was a way really genuinely to bring the tribe into this for the reasons of he was genuinely

like personally spiraling beyond the game. And that's bad for him as a human being. Yeah. That's right. Like if you're waking up somebody because you're having a meltdown in the middle of the night, like you're obviously in a really bad place. And so he's being very vulnerable to the rest of the tribe

and to her by displaying those emotions as he did. So, yeah, could there have been a little bit more? Yeah. Yeah, I think that in terms of the fact that it's bad for him as a human to be spiralling and it's good to connect as humans in a way that may help you in the game by just helping that person and B, it's really bad for the tribe if he's spiralling. Look how badly that went the next day.

So you can easily go back to the tribe and just be like, Andy was having a moment, I've helped it. Like it actually it like it actually is right and if that pays off for you personally that's a really good thing like I don't think it really needed a painter as a threat I see the concerns but I think she could have done both um and I think that that would have been the way to go and that's what I would have done yeah I would have I would have tried to have a light like being there for him but communicated to the tribe this is what I'm doing and this is why I'm doing it 100% like I think that you want to cultivate that and if like it's still too threatening like you can still cut him like cultivate that make sure he's okay for him

for the tribe for yourself like all wins across the board and if it's still a little too threatening then you can still just cut him but like when you don't want him he's a vote for her like if she whichever way she wants to go like he's one vote for her and well i don't even know anymore or you're saying that she didn't make him feel better and he was going for annika who's like her pair ally so if anything i think she lost him i think that you know best case scenario you keep him you you cultivate it and are able to keep him second best you cultivate it but still have to keep him. Second best, you cultivate it, but still have to lose him. Third best, you lose the relationship, but then at least you cut him. And fourth best, which is what happened, you lose a relationship,

but you keep him in the game. So I feel like that was like the worst case scenario of how those kind of decisions could have been played out, unfortunately. But I don't think that's the way she was thinking. I 100% agree with you, but I feel like that's not the way that she was thinking. Cause I think that the way that she should have done it, she should have cultivated that relationship just a little bit further,

like just get him to trust her and, you know, see what happens going forward because that is one vote for with her. Yeah. The, the, I think for like the kind of specter of disaster tribes, like looms large over the matter of the season, they want it so badly to not be the disaster tribe that they're like, we'll try and keep a little bit more physicality. And ironically that might make them.

There's now to keep Andy, I think is actually possibly going to make them the disaster tribe, which is very, very unfortunate. Yeah. Really painful. There's a couple of things I want to talk about just from a vote perspective um I find really interesting the first one being they choose to keep Andy we disagree with it but what they choose to do in keeping Andy is they bring him into the vote he votes for John he doesn't vote for Annika um they don't throw a vote at least a vote if not two of their four on Andy to protect against one vote would be against like a shot in the dark if John plays it exactly one of them yeah if they both find an idol then they need two votes on um Andy

in case you know to take it to um the tie-in and the re-vote where they would win so they would yeah they would win yeah so what do you think what do you think well I think it was I don't think they were thinking outside the box at all. Like they weren't. No boxes, Caroline, please. But they weren't like, why weren't they thinking like that? Why weren't they thinking that? Okay. What happened? Why aren't we splitting at least one vote?

Because what happens if John has got something, then one of us are going home or Annika's going home. Why didn't Annika think of it? Yeah. Yeah. Pardon? A lot of risk for her specifically. A lot of risk for her specifically because she knows through,

well, she knows through Andy that John's going to be throwing a vote her way. So, yeah. She doesn't know that's concerning. She should know she's the name. So she's really taking the risk. I think she would have known like yeah through Sam that she's through either Sam or Andy yeah yeah through

them both like because they've both like they've both communicated with John that that's where he wants to go so yeah it's um it's it it look it's it's not smart gameplay to me and why they didn't think about it it's going to be oh god I don't want another disaster yellow tribe but I think this is the way we're going isn't it I actually really like the decision to do this it was risky especially for Annika but I do think that it was social with a majority you know like yeah I think that sometimes I see what you're saying I think I think with splitting the vote it's very situational um and sometimes it is really necessary um and there was yeah yeah but do you want to take that risk if it's you like why would Anika want to take that risk I think the risk the reason you take the risk is

like what if you never go back to tribal council and you're going to have to work with andy through the game like now they're really trying to like again like cultivate that relationship and manage it where they could throw a vote on him and have him spiral worse like if you're keeping him in to help with challenges if you're trying to manage that which again i think is more work than it is and they shouldn't have done to begin with but if they are and even if they've done it the opposite way i think they would have brought john in i think they're like let's try and be a cohesive five and they've brought Andy in he could go back to John he doesn't um they're reading possibly that well that he won't want to yeah and even more than he has so I think they're reading that well they're investing in the fact that they don't

need to well they just based on Andy they're not going to throw a vote they're going to bring Andy in and you know maybe quell some of that anxiety and really have him trust them. And that, to be fair, is what they do. Andy doesn't go back to John. John doesn't play a shot in the dark. So in reading Andy, I think that they were correct. There's also the risk that John could just play a shot in the dark, even if Andy isn't turning. But if Andy's not turning, then it's five to zero anyway.

So they're really having to read Andy because if Andy hasn't turning then then it's five to zero anyway so if Andy so they're really having to read Andy because if Andy hasn't turned and he's going to vote with them and isn't going to tell John then the only risk is that John plays a shot in the dark five zero you vote out Andy on the re-vote when it's zero zero if the shot in the dark in the small chance that the shot in the dark hits so they're needing to read will Andy really come to us really vote with us um and I think you know it's the best way to go um yeah you've nailed it I think that they're just right I think that I think that it's it's social which I'm like yeah you know yeah I I like what I'm hearing from you it's a different like there's

two sides to it isn't there so you've just you've got to decide which way how you're going to play it um are you going to play it socially or are you going to play it strategically? Yeah. I mean, Andy as well could throw a vote because again, if John does play a shot in the dark, which he was thinking about, and we'll talk about if he should have, but if John does play a shot in the dark, then 5-0 Andy goes home. If he throws a vote, then his one vote. But I think as well for Andy, after you, again, expended so much social capital,

unfortunately to be in that position to begin with, but then at least, you know, now you're trying to protect against if John even plays it and then the shot in the dark hits, or you try and make up some goodwill, but actually doing what they told you to do and actually make relationships. And again, like some of these things feel like if everything goes wrong, like if John plays shot in the dark and it hits, or, I mean, I think you need to read Andy correctly,

but if Andy turns on you against your read and John does have an idol, he tells him to play the Shaun of the Dark and it hits and Andy's voted, all of that would have to go wrong to kind of upend this. Or you do the social thing and hope for the best. And I think sometimes like playing those odds is the best thing.

And I think that's true of this group. And I think it's true of Andy to be social, even with the, you know, percentage chance that Shaun of the Dark hits or there's something that could be played against you, I would rather, I think, be more social here on a tribe that desperately needs to come together based on everything that's happened. And clearly Andy didn't, he didn't have that thought process that maybe I should be thinking about what happens if John does do his

Shot in the dark. What's that going to mean for me? He obviously, he wasn't in a state where he could think like that and he could think through that strategy. Sorry, just turn this off. Think through that strategy so that it meant that he wasn't going home. So he obviously, he's not there yet, but hopefully he wasn't going home. So he, he obviously he's not there yet, but hopefully he's coming.

Yeah. Like the thing is like, if, if John plays a shot in the dark and it hits it's really unfortunate way to go home for Andy or if Andy throws a vote and that's how Annika goes or, you know, if Andy turns on you and they have an idol, you know, like it would just be a really unfortunate way to go home. Sometimes you have to just like hope for the best and not be super paranoid. Sometimes like, as we're seeing, I think that like excessive paranoia and doing everything you can to kind of,

you know, quell that paranoia, thinking of every contingency, is not the right thing to do. And being, is it social with the majority? You know, that's the way to be more broadly social. And so why didn't John play his shot in the dark? Let's talk about that. We talk about this in the exit interviews and I want to disagree with it. Yeah. Right. I haven't listened to his exit interviews. I haven't had time. This is what he said. He said basically like he felt not great about actually if Sam would go with

them. And he felt like, you know, in the chance that Sam does go with them, maybe it's like a 20% chance, which is better than the one in six of the show in the dark. So he was going to go with that with Sam and take the odds on that of what he thought were bad odds either way. But just to clarify,

so if just Sam goes with him, it's a 3-3 and I'm sorry, but like Andy and Sam are out the door immediately. They're not going to Roxview and he's out anyway. If Sam brings Sierra in, which was the plan it's a four two and whether you vote or not it's a three two so i would take the extra protection of my shot in the dark either way the only thing you will lose ironically is the social capital which i know i've been you know banging the drum about but i think at this point the risk was too great that you now you just need

to survive like now it's not about building social relationships exactly you just need to survive for me like I would be playing my shot in the dark as extra protection for him 100% like either you're definitely out like it was and you need the protection or it's a 3-3 and you're out so your vote doesn't matter or it's a 4-2 and now it's a 3-2 and you have extra protection like I don't see where it could go wrong to play the shot in the dark for him yeah I agree and I. And I also feel like my point that I'm trying to make is that if he doesn't play his shot in the dark, like he knows that he's obviously going to be going home. I've just lost my train of thought.

I had this point that he either needed to play his shot in the dark or rely on Sam and relying on Sam. You didn't, you obviously couldn't, you could, he, he didn't know. He hadn't, didn't have enough social capital in that relationship to know whether he could rely on him or not in the, in the first place. So yeah, it was a really, really hard spot. Like you could rely on Sam and if Sam has voted with you and your social your strong the dark doesn't matter because you've won in a 3-2 vote where

Andy Sam and Sierra voted with you yeah great and you come back to campus like hey why did you vote with us it's like I heard my name a lot there were two votes against me like yeah I'm sorry that that makes me seem like a you know a shaky ally and I will definitely try and build that back but like can you blame me and he would have a lot of points on that so I think that it's the fact that he actually could have had you know he can try the Sam thing and try the shot in the dark thing and they're not mutually exclusive and they're both different types of protection to try and yeah probably neither works out he probably still goes home but he tried you know going with Sam and I think that

he also had no lost him could have played the shot in the dark because again if he's relying on his own vote for a 3-3 then he's lost because Andy has literally just said he'd throw his him under the bus and Sam's not going to rock to him so he's out anyway so I don't see why his vote mattered um he he needed it needed to be a shot in the dark yeah yeah and even then even if even with that logic I still think it's good for Andy to be like well it's logical for him to play Sean the Duck and I'm still gonna hope 83% chance that it doesn't hit and I'll make friends and I still think that is right yes yeah yeah that was his best chance yeah so really unfortunate to lose John Lovett who I loved I love it at him um he was so funny

and his type of humor speaks to me directly. Oh, I know. I love it too. I'm going to start listening to his podcast. Yeah, ditto. Everything he said made me laugh. Yeah. My husband listens to his podcast and he's like,

I don't know why you're not listening to it at the moment. I mean, I have never been more fascinated in American politics as I am right now and I'm listening to every other podcast on it. So I can't believe I'm not listening to it. But said it's absolutely fantastic yeah he's absolutely great yeah I think that like other than just being maybe like a bit of the older guy who didn't fit in as much and just being seen as less physical like and then not playing the shot in the dark those are my main criticisms I don't think that throwing out Annika affected anything because I think it was purely physical I think Andy's doing it alongside him. I think he knew when they were saying to him,

it's Andy that it actually was him. He says in the ex interview that he doesn't think throwing out Annika actually changed things. It was always him. And I agree. So I don't think he really did much wrong. I think he mostly just was like the, the de facto vote here in a six person tribe that's focusing on physicality. Right. And I think he should have played a shot in the dark. Those are my only real questions.

So does he talk about why he didn't play a shot in the dark? Yeah, because he thinks that he was trying to go with the Sam thing, but I'm just like, but then you didn't need your vote with the Sam thing. So I still am like, I hate to disagree. John love it. I think he's going to think about that for a long time. I know I will. And I wasn't even meaning to.

No, but I think that that's but I'm just really upset about it anything else in the dynamics of this tribe um he kind of gave it a different view of the dynamics I think we we see it as pairs and he agrees that we saw it as kind of Andy and John put into a pair together we see it as like Annika and um Rachel to a degree and then Sierra with Sam and we kind of saw Sierra Sam in the middle he actually said he felt better about Annika and Rachel as much as the votes kind of fell on Anika at the end. He felt better about them. So I don't think the centrality that I thought Sam specifically had was as

locked in as I thought, but I think, yeah, I think we're going to go down to that four regardless, but it'd be interesting that then I think that there's probably like two kind of pans there. Yeah. But I also feel like we're not getting to any kind of depth with those relations like seeing seeing those relationships form are we like why are they pairs that's what I want yeah exactly we're not seeing it so like yes we can see that they're

a pair but we're not seeing the how and the why and um I can't wait to see more. I want more of that. We need more depth with that character presentation kind of thing. Yeah, I completely agree. Anything else from the other tribes who really stood out to you? Let's talk about Larvo, the red tribe. Anyone there that you're, like, really Larvo-ing yourself? Well, obviously we're talking about Asia. I mean, she was, you know, she's obviously going to, she knows this game super, super well.

So it's going to be really interesting to see whether she's going to be able to hold herself back and not try and do too much too early to really show how much she knows about this game. And knowing that Tini's going to kind of protect her a little bit that's i mean that's that's just gold right there i um well i mean we didn't really see much from genevieve um kishan looks absolutely fantastic like i love the fact that he's an er doctor out there you know so this is a guy that's going to be super super calm under pressure um I mean he's seen everything so what being out there in an environment like this he'd just be

like calm down guys it's going to be fine no one's dying here so you know calm your farm which I love clearly an important skill for the game it's such an important yes yeah I think they were two of my two of my greatest skills out there was being because you know being a midwife you're thrown like an ER doctor you're thrown into all sorts of shitty situations and you know it is remaining calm under pressure all the time so um I I I look forward to seeing how that goes. Rome, my gosh. My gosh. Apparently he wants to replace Jeff when Jeff decides he wants

to step down from his throne. But I just thought he was acting too shady, too suspicious. You know, he broke that number one rule about when you go out there and separating yourself from everybody else in the game by going out and looking for the beware advantage and idols. You just got to be so careful the way that you do that and try not to put a target on your back. And I feel like he's really put a target on his back. Soul was, like he's really put a target on his back. Soul was, I mean, we only saw a little bit of soul and seeing that excerpt from that one that didn't make it to the show on Rome's X this morning.

That was absolutely fantastic. And then Teenie, Teenie, she was awesome. I loved her social game out there. She is going to be so gorgeous to watch. I can see that she's a fan, but also I think she's got, like, strategy and she's got social, and I can't wait to see how that unfolds and whether she can kind of bring that four together. I feel like she's going to be the one that's going to bring that four together in that tribe.

Teenie, you really stood out to me. I felt like even if it's not that four, they are connected to every one. It doesn't matter what four. She knows that she's got to get a four. And whatever that four looks like, it doesn't matter because I feel like she's going to be the one that's in control of that. I think Asia thinks that she might be the one that should be in control of that. And she'd like to be in control of that, but yeah, Teenie's going to be her, her, um, her ticket into a fall. Teenie wants to have like, you know, she says, I want to be everyone's number one,

which is a hard, you know, that's a hard goal, but it's seemingly, to be everyone's number one which is a hard you know that's a hard goal but it's seemingly if not everyone's number one it's seemingly working that they have relationships with every person oh I want her to be my number one she's well there you go yeah she's fantastic she was definitely my standout for that tribe and I know I know that they focus quite a bit on her but I felt like what what she brought to the game and and her interviews and everything she she just seemed like she's got it all together and I really loved listening to her she was funny she was yeah she was she's going to be one that I'm going to be following and rooting for I think yeah they made me have one laugh from the very beginning yeah then individually connecting with each person like I feel like she has with with Kishan who I also think is doing really well kind of there with Teenie I feel like

the two of them could go and they won't but they could go with Rome and Genevieve and they probably will go with like Sol and Asia even the way that like Teenie connected with um Genevieve it's like maybe you can like get Rome out but still kind of keep Genevieve close to you yeah especially because Rome is doing so well to bury himself individually that you couldn't even really get mad at it so not much going on I mean like all I know is like this tribe could go to every tribal council and she would be last voted out and that is a great space to be and everything could change but right now that's that's how it seems yeah I am I couldn't agree more I and because nobody's going to want to vote her out she's not putting any kind of social pressure on anyone she's being everyone's

um she's being everything to everyone and that's a really really hard thing to do because and it's it just shows that her personality she's very good at adapting to whoever she's around, and that's far out. That's an amazing life skill to have. And she's what? She's 24. So my son is 24 today. Happy birthday.

Happy birthday, Jack. And he, you know, like, yeah, he doesn't have the social capital that she's. He couldn't do that well. Just a drive-by, just a birthday drive-by on your own son that he couldn't do as well on Survivor. I love him more than life itself. But, you know, he knows that he couldn't do Survivor. He's like, no, no. Well, he's like, no, I'd hate being mean to anyone he's like I couldn't betray

anybody so he couldn't do that whereas I feel like Teenie's yeah she's she's she's gonna be awesome to watch I'm so excited to see her game play out I think there's more strategy in her to come as well and I feel like you know it'll be interesting to see how her relationship with Asia goes as well yeah because it's a very dynamic alliance that she's building it's not paired it's not like it's Seoul and Asia that we've seen we haven't seen enough but um you know Tini has something with Genevieve and with Rome so she's connected to that pair then she's got Kishan then she's Asia's number one yeah and she seems to possibly have a group with soul so it's not even like they could vote out maybe roman even genevieve and even then she'd

be in a three then they could take out soul like this is obviously a lot will change but if you just like forward plan how that could go yeah teeny's good to go so i think one thing i will say yeah one thing i will say about survivor is that the game changes from one day to the next. Like you think you're screwed one day and then in 24 hours your game completely, completely changes. Yeah, Andy. Exactly. Well, let's see what happens with Andy. He needs to really, really turn around.

What about Tuku? We've talked obviously about Gabe. Who stood out for you on this tribe? really turn around what about um tuku we've talked obviously about gabe you know who who stood out for you on this tribe um gosh probably gabe was the one that stood out i mean i was doing a lot of box centered activity he was and they were centered quite a lot on him um i mean bringing in sue as quickly as he did, you know, actually saying to her verbally, you know, I, my strategy coming in was to go and seek out the older woman because I know you're going to be wise. I know you've lived, you know, a long life, you know, you've got a lot of. You're like older who?

Why and how? Only on two. And I mean, it would have been music to her ears as well because as the older woman are you you just you just don't want to be the first one voted up like and so I hope that there has been a little bit more conversations going on and that they are really trying to form a four out there as quickly as possible and that Sue and Gabe are part of it and, yeah, that they can bring in probably Caroline and let's see who else they can bring in. Yeah, I don't know.

They've all got really, really interesting stories. Tiana, she's also one that I really liked watching and especially pre-game, like in the pre-season. She was really, really interesting, the first Hawaiian to be on Survivor and she yeah she you can see that she's got the smarts about her and she really really wants to be strategic and really smart about how she plays the game and then TK um well you know he's also such an interesting guy he's come along cut in sparkly personK. You could just tell the way the charisma like shone from him when he came back to the beach. Yeah, exactly. And yeah, it reminds me a little

bit of Tevin in a way because it just got that, you know, beautiful sparkle about him. And, you know, wouldn't it be a great four with Sue, Gabe, Caroline and TK? That'd be unreal. But then I love Tiana as well. And and yeah we'll have to see what happens with Kyle yeah Tiana went a little missing considering she was like a really high winner pick um from the pre-season you know what's interesting as well is that like Gabe didn't put his hand up to do the journey given everything else we subsequently learned about Gabe I know yeah which is kind of a strange one um it's this tribe is yeah no you go you go oh no this tribe is just really interesting because I feel like there's um a few different um ways that it could go like

we're hearing that it could be okay like Caroline Gabe and Sue when we hear the Sue's really central but then we hear that there might be a bit of a boys club but then we know that Gabe and TK have the issue so I don't know where this tribe is going to go I don't think that this has been certified or you know no it's not being completely worked out like you can and that's where i guess we wish that we were seeing more don't we so that we could see where these alliances are going we just want to see where the alliances are and who's going to shit all over who yeah exactly but yeah yeah i mean there's yeah tiana she she's gone missing a lot I don't know where she's the one who doesn't fit into any of the groups that I just pointed out that's right

I'm not sure where she's at yeah did you know that she was an alternate for 45 as well yeah so she was alternate for 45 the only person in the world who could actually be angry that Hannah quit and then um wow yeah she was she must have been really mad and then Rachel the 46th alternate we're really getting through the alternates I hope so I hope every alternate who ever goes out there gets a chance to play like going out there being an alternate and never getting to realize that dream is would be more frustrating than I could even possibly imagine good on you survivor we're really happy that you've done that like the alternate yeah work through the alternates because obviously they've been chosen for a reason like it's so hard to get out there I can't imagine sitting out there

for that and for that time and running around and going home yeah never being on tv and then not even getting to be like to tell people about it because you're hoping to still be cast so you just have the thing exactly exactly part of you and so private and so yeah so yeah good good for Tiana and Rachel being on the show yes that it works but very very well for them that it was right for them to be on this season of all the season who's your fave on this tribe um let me think I really do like TK yeah um I like Sue I think Sue's I think Sue did the best we'll talk about it was we're about to talk about the chizzyley but i think sue did very well so i think you know gabe's playing too hard for me i like all of them like from a character standpoint but yeah gabe's playing too hard for me and um

caroline's fun too um i like kind of the whole analytical smart woman thing of course so yeah he's fun too it's good cast the show didn't show enough about what a good cast this is because from the pre-game I was in love across the board and I still am but I'm like give me more you know yeah give us more come on yeah I mean I felt like I've been complaining a lot about Sweat versus Savvy because I complain because it's been annoying for a few seasons and they're like we're gonna replace it Jeff actually was like before it gets stale I'm like oh yeah you're really not a moment too soon Jeff yeah we're gonna replace it. Jeff actually was like, before it gets stale, I'm like, oh yeah, you're really, not a moment too soon, Jeff. Yeah, we're going to replace it. I'm like, oh, she really made it. And then we're going to replace it with just like something that

was also like, what does this is, this is, this is just sweat. This is just a different sweat. And like, go back to like making the decisions. Like it was a decision to go and that was what was interesting, but give me the decision making about you know like i don't just want people to i've talked it to death but yeah no more yeah no more boxes i think it's i think it's been yeah it's done um i'm gonna do the chizzy theme song on video we're gonna see if it works okay okay and we're gonna do the chizzy all right okay take it away jacob take a wine scene in MC Color, maybe. Two, three. One, one, one, three. One, one, two, one, one, two, three. It's getting, it's getting, it's getting kind of cheesy.

Three, two, one. One, two. Oh, it was going again. You heard that, right? Yes. Okay, it worked. Okay. We're going to work it out on video.

We're still getting the kinks out, but it worked. Okay, we're going to do the cheesy. Do you want to go first or should I go first? You go first. All right. I think this one's's pretty simple i'm giving three votes to teeny it's been spoken about yeah very social exactly how you should start great takes across the board no notes brilliant two i'm giving to sue who i feel like is a central member of that tribe caroline's like everyone wants to work with sue which i believe from the pregame where they all wanted to work with sue she's brought in by Gabe on the

Beware Advantage. She seems to have two really key allies. She's described as central. I mean, even if she's not the most central person, that's a narrative we're getting, which is very important. And I also believe that she probably is doing very well there. And then I'm going to give a point to Sam, who I dropped down from two points after listening to John's exit interview um I almost could give no points to Godda because I feel like I really didn't like the decision to keep Andy from a strategic perspective um and I also feel like the dynamics are less secure or less clear than they were on the show where it felt like Sam was a real he was a real swing vote but it felt like he was really central because he was a swing vote um John kind of said two things

that made me bring this down from a two to a one, which is again, that he felt actually better about Rachel and Annika and maybe Sam isn't as central as I thought. And the other part was, I thought that he did really good work to blindside John for John not to play a shot in the dark, but then John is only like 20% sure about Sam.

Anyway, it feels like it was more of a miscalculation from John not to play the show in the dark than on Sam in saying that I will give a point because I do like his approach to try and blend in as much as he can and be more kind of that middle figure as a kind of big guy. It did go to him as a swing vote. So that has to speak to something. And he is doing some work to bring John in so that John doesn't play the

show in the dark. Like if John feels like he has no chance of Sam, then it feels like he was playing the shot in the dark. So at least to make him think that he has that chance to protect against that when they, again, are taking the risk of not covering for a possible shot in the dark and Andy throwing a vote or, you know, when they're just not taking that risk so that they can socially cover.

I feel like he is doing some work there. So those are the points that I'm giving. And then I'll give an honorable mention to Keyshawn, who I feel is doing well with there. So those are the points that I'm giving. And then I'll give an honorable mention to Kishan, who I feel is doing well with Tini. What are your points? Okay, well, I think we're both the same with my three points of going to Tini. I felt like right from the get-go,

from her first interview with Jeff on the mat, she just really spoke to me. She's obviously going to gain, she's already gained that great social capital in her game. She's, and she's smart about it. Like she's not bitching about people. She's being really strategic and very adapting to everybody that's around her. And I, I don't know, she's somebody that just really spoke to me. I feel like she's, I know she's a huge fan of the show. And yeah, she was my absolute favourite this episode for sure. So I'm going to give her three.

Two I've thought about and I don't want to, I'm not copying you, but I just don't know where else it can go because I feel like Sue has. Pardon? It felt pretty clear to me yeah it is super clear and and I mean also as the older woman she's really trying to blend in she's really trying to get to know people she also looks incredibly physically strong so I feel like she's going to bring a lot of strength to the tribe which is awesome. But I loved her relationship that she, I love Gabe coming to her. I love the way that she just, you know, she immediately warmed to that. She immediately brought him in. And then I also loved her relationship with Caroline. I felt like

her and Caroline really connected on a very beautiful emotional level. And it's really nice to find your people out there. It's such a strange environment to be in and to try and find people that you trust. But there's some people that you certainly click with straight from the get go. And I know that happened with certainly Kitty and then Eden. So I know what that feels like to just kind of really feel like you found a person that you can connect with so I'm going to give my two to Sue and my three oh so you give three to teeny or one to teeny no I'm giving three to teeny two to soon yeah and then one point yep and I've got my one pointer to go and I think I'm going to give my one pointer to Asia um because yeah because I feel like she's she put herself up for that first for that first challenge and I know she's a huge fan

of the show but I I know that it would have been an extremely big decision for her to go and put herself out there to do that not knowing whether she was going to bring home the goods for the tribe or not. I think coming back and really getting, integrating herself back into the tribe, that's like I talked about before, that's her superpower, getting herself back into the tribe, knowing that she, you know, that discussion with Teenie and Teenie saying, I know who you are, and I love you. And I know that this is probably something that you don't that discussion with Teenie and Teenie saying, I know who you are and I love you. And I know that this is probably something that you don't want shared with the rest of the tribe. I think the way that she handled all that, she was quite calm. And I really,

I feel like she did very, very well integrating herself back into the game. So I'm going to give her a one and special mention I think I'm going to do TK I just think he's a personality that we're going to all really really love and I can't wait to see how the rest of this unfolds it's been I think like I said earlier it's one of the first best first episodes I've seen in that in the new era and it really grabbed me and knowing that you know getting to know these people pre-season has just been incredible I can't wait to see how it all unfolds and yeah see where all this where this crazy game takes them all yeah well I mean like I agree I think that there's you know yeah TK really charismatic Asia social work but I

feel like on my thesis point being be social you can't win the game in the first day but you can lose it you can't win the game the first few days but you can lose it I felt like I had to go to those kind of like social players and I definitely docked points for anyone who did anything individual strategy too much and then I had to bring it down from there. Yeah, that's right. It was, look, I think you and I both saw that both Tini and Sue were standouts and Tini especially. So it was really, really, really good to watch. We were definitely on the same page there. Yeah, it's going to be, it's going to be wonderful to see how well this plays out I um yeah I'm really really really excited I um it's you know Survivor 47 you can't believe that this has been going for 24 years and um I know that the new seat the new era has has had its

challenges for sure but I love watching any season of Survivor and this is right up there. Yeah, well, I'm excited about it. Is there anything we missed? Is there anything else you wanted to say about any of these people? Let's just wanted to have, we had some questions on Twitter. I just wanted to make sure that we. Yeah, I think we got to a lot of the Twitter. A lot of them were about Sue. A lot of people just wanted to tell you that they love you,

remind you that they love you. Thank you to those people. I love you too. Eden asked about Gabe and Sue's alliance and seeking out an older woman and what their future look like. Look, it's an interesting dynamic there. He's a comms director. She's a pilot.

They're both go-getters they both want to make a name for themselves I think they're going to be strong power players if they don't get overconfident um with and keep their tight bonds with the rest of the tribe I think that's really important that they yes they can have their really tight bond but it's going to be about not getting overconfident in in having that number one and really bringing the another two in but bringing the rest of the tribe in so that they're nice and cohesive um did right matt said did rachel have the right idea that it was too risky risky to openly work one-on-one with andy and i think we've already discussed through that yeah we

tried to get to everything yeah yeah yeah yeah absolutely was John's optimal move to accept being the secondary vote I don't feel he was ever the secondary vote I don't think that whether he accepted or not and then he would have gone home either way yeah there was nothing he could do there at that point other than play Sean the Dark I think at that point he was kind of yeah she warned into being that and yeah I don't think they were being honest that. And yeah, I don't think they were being honest that it was Andy. And I don't think the Annika move that Andy was doing with him

pushed it any which way for him. I just think that they were like, really scared about being the disaster tribe and thought that Andy was a little bit stronger as much as we disagree with that. He said, who's game benefits the most from Andy staying? I don't think that anyone benefits from Andy. Andy does. I do. I'm excited. I'm as sad as I was to lose John. I'm really think that anyone benefits from Andy's Andy does I do

I'm excited as sad as it was to lose John I'm really happy that Andy gets a second shot at this but yeah I mean I don't see who on the tribe specifically benefits from this um no I just where John said he wasn't close with Sam but probably not I mean I don't think it'll benefit them physically obviously Annika was being thrown out by both of them. Rachel, I feel like, hasn't done well with that and she'd have to really bring it back. It'd have to be like a complete 180. So I think it's particularly bad for her.

I don't see anyone even getting like any individual benefit, let alone a collective benefit. No, it's going to be interesting to see how that plays out. I mean, in my notes possibly a shield for Sam um but is it Rachel is even now especially be a shield for anyone well no um but Rachel um if she can reign in his trust again um and that's it that's all I got yeah like if any part of this was like John's more threatening and John can speak and all of that like that would be even worse like that would

be an even worse decision to try and like implode your own cry by keeping the wrong person because you're worried that John will speak better than you in 23 days that are like we should not be thinking about that so if any part of that was on the threatening nature of John Lovett against Andy that would be another negative for me really not into them I didn't get it it wasn't right for me well and I feel and obviously they felt that they can they can kind of maneuver Andy a little bit more than they could have possibly with John. Well, that would be crazy too, given what we've witnessed over the last two days. Like Andy will be tough to manage. I know. And let's see, he is, I don't think they realize how tough he is going to be to manage and what a, what a, um, a curve ball he could really, really throw

into the game if he, if he decides, if he goes off the rails again. And look, I really, really feel for Andy. I hope it doesn't. I hope he can really just get his head together and really kind of sort himself out and sort his place in that tribe. But we'll have to wait and see. Yeah, a cohesive, chilling tribe. Yes.

I can sleep at night. That John Lovett is making you laugh that don't have to be watching Andy searching for idols like let alone the fact that like Andy is a wild card and is definitely if the other tribes have anything to say about it going on the next journey you know is possibly spilling more secrets like he just needs to freak out one more time to say things on the mat to say things at a journey is he searching for idols like I don't think that John was nearly as cagey for all of the risks to your majority that Andy would bring given the two days of proof that we have of the kind of play he's been due to the paranoia and that anxiety so I would rather show up with a slightly physically weaker tribe that's

in a good head oh yeah I'd rather show up with a John than I would yeah I'd rather show up with a John than an Andy there's no question about that he works out as well so cut it John says that he works out what did you yeah exactly yeah yeah I don't I don't know I mean he wasn't he's obviously he must have been a strong guy like he did you see him bloody pushing those the boxes back into the to the boat he fell out of the boat he got back in the boat like that would have been killer mate it would have been so hard yeah well I think we're pretty yeah we're pretty low on that decision. I think that's been spoken about, but thank you so much. There's just one more point I wanted to make. I, um, there was, um, I just felt so sorry for everyone that went out in that first challenge when they had mud all over them, because one of the things when you're out there is you just like, as much as you know

it's not going to happen you just want to try and keep a little bit clean and so to go out for your first challenge and get muddy was because that just wrecks your clothes for the for the rest of the game like your clothes are absolutely screwed I remember trying to scrub mud out of mud when we did the twisty through the mud um getting the mud out of your clothes was was just a bloody nightmare you just were just yeah radical acceptance you just had to accept that that's the way you were going to look for the rest of the game and the other thing i wanted to point out was did you see the size of their bags that they had a lot of people commenting on this I haven't looked at I haven't even looked at that I just I just put that in my notes last night it was like oh my god like if we'd only had bags like that because our bags were literally I reckon not even a quarter of the

size of the bags that they had out there they looked amazing so lucky you guys well literally do you know that those bags are probably just filled with more boxes so who even knows and keys and just which box and they'll just spend the next 26 days trying to work it out oh sweetheart so bad isn't it yeah well this has been really fun caroline thank you so much for coming on and being my first video guest, my first recap guest of Survivor 47. Thank you for having me. Of course. Tell the people where they can find you and what you're doing.

So I'm on Instagram at mummalicious and I'm on TikTok. You can find me under Caroline Cordes and also mummalicious1. So, yeah, I'd love to see more of you guys out there. I have so enjoyed this, Shannon. I really like, and preparing for something like this, just getting to know all the characters and all the contestants, I've really, really loved. Hope I can come back on again. And this has been a lot of fun. I always love doing stuff with you. You always bring out the best in everyone. And I'm really grateful to have the opportunity.

Thank you so much. Well, it's been great to have you on the podcast. We have a great guest next week as well. We have the great Matthew Haywood from Survivor UK. Oh, wow. We are really excited about that. I watch Survivor UK. Yep.

Yep. So excited to have matt on the podcast we have yeah we've had a big news this week caroline and i i said it's very disappointing that you are here with me because it means that you're not in samoa and that's upsetting i'm not in samoa yeah unless you're doing this from samoa in which case i'm impressed but yeah australia versus the world was announced and I don't know if anyone missed this but they announced it is Tony poverty Shani Kirby and George so Rob and I did an emergency podcast about that if you missed it but yeah huge week huge no I listened I listened yeah yeah

and I was really excited that you did something because, you know, I was trying to get as much information as I could. I mean, it's probably the most exciting news that we've had in Survivor in a very, very, very long time and to get two seasons of potentially an Australian Survivor. So we're going to get next year we're going to have two seasons of US Survivor and then two seasons of Australian Survivor. So it's going to be a busy year next year and i've done well we had yeah well and well we know that uk is not going to be on

yeah unfortunately south africa at the moment maybe they'd be south africa you know i've done yeah it was like the new zealand i wasn't covering australia but i was watching and guesting in 2018 we had australia new Zealand, South Africa, and two USs. In 2019, we had – Yes. Yeah. I think that was probably the busiest year. But it's going to be great.

I'm excited about it. So, yeah, check out any of that content as well. But that's all I have. This has been great. Ready to break down the premiere. I know. But to get Parvati, Tony, and Serena – I know. I know, but to get Parvati, Tony and Serena. I know, I know.

It's crazy. I can't wait to grill Kirby when she gets home. And the funny thing is Kirby, like she didn't know a lot about Survivor before she went out to play. Kirby doesn't even realize what's going on. Yeah. She doesn't. Kirby does not understand.

She doesn't. No. I'm sorry. She'll be very chill about that. I know. And I'm really happy for her like this is going to be you know she's out there with the big boys this time it's going to be absolutely amazing for her and I think it'll really test those skills that she showed in our season And like Kirby is one of those people though, that she thinks outside the box. And she also, she can, she's sitting there watching everybody she's watching and listening. And she was just such a pleasure to watch in, in my season. Yeah. I can't wait to see how that

all unfolds. Um, I can't wait to see what happens between Shani and George. And is Shani going to get retribution on revenge on George for her last season? I mean, I love watching George. I love watching Shani. This is going to be Shani's fourth season. Gosh, how many days? Hopefully, you know, she's been out there well over 100 days. So it's massive for her, isn't it?

She's leaving a baby. Yeah. I know, she's leaving a little baby. Yeah. Do we know how long it's going to be, like how many days it is? Not on the record, but there's been rumours that I'm not confirming or denying that it might be a bit of a shorter season. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The exhibition match of Australian Surviv season. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The exhibition match of Australian Survivor. Yeah, yeah. And how many contestants? Like, yeah, I'm listening to all the rumours and watching all the rumours and stuff as well. So, yeah, and I can't believe that we're going to have to wait another year to see it. Yeah, well, we don't even know when it's airing.

I know, and we've already been given six cast members yeah it's the longest pre-season in survivor history which is it's technically maybe a whole year so yeah i bet you it's going to be a whole year yeah and have you got any guesses about who who else is like what other countries are going to be in it uh not on the record the the press release said that South Africa and Norway Finland yeah they just said Norway New Zealand and South Africa yeah those are the three that they gave yeah so one of those one of those countries is going to have either one or two players because aren't we going out with seven?

Yeah. Not on the record. I don't know. I'm not sure. We don't know. But you can find out, yeah, you can find out who's not on it every week here on Survivor Global as I chat to the people from Global Survivor. So that's a way to find out.

Yeah, yeah. Thanks, Shannon. the people from global drivers so that's a way to find out yeah yeah yeah well thanks follow and subscribe to make sure that you make sure you'll know some information around that based on my guess but yeah follow subscribe to the international survivor a half of speed follow me at shannon gates for all of this caroline such a good time thank you so much again thanks for having me see you soon thanks everyone all right hope you enjoyed this on youtube or in podcast form and i will see you next time bye thanks everyone bye australian 21 South Africans 12 ordinary Australians 16 New Zealanders

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