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Episode Date: May 29, 2025The Survivor 50 cast has been revealed and the Survivor Know-It-Alls, Rob Cesternino and Stephen Fishbach, are here to break down the cast!...
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The smartest guys around
are about to break it down like they've won
the game a million times
Well, actually they didn't really win the game at all
Survival no way those
Survival no way those
Steven and Rock went out and down Yeah, that's right. We've got off season one off season survivor, knowing all time Rob Sestrino back here with
Stephen Fishback.
Stephen, how are you?
Oh my God, it's so weird to be thought out
from my cryogenic deep freeze
that I'm typically in between Survivor seasons.
I know, well you haven't gone in yet.
And so Stephen is here to talk with us
about the just announced Survivor 50 cast
that everybody's been talking about.
We had such a great response to our show yesterday We just announced Survivor 50 cast that everybody's been talking about.
We had such a great response to our show yesterday and we are ready to hear Stephen's takes and
talk about everything else that we've learned over the last 24 hours here with you live
on Thursday on Survivor Know-It-Alls.
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Yeah, that's not how we came up with the Survivor Know-It-Alls
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at JoleneCoffee.com. All right, Stephen, so much excitement and drama
and really we've had, run the gamut
of all of the emotions on Survivor.
Everybody has come out and said people are upset.
People are, some have people rejoice.
How are you at this hour?
Good. So Rob, I wanna say, want to come out against all the negative, not all the negativity, but like most of the
negativity. You know, I saw the Survivor cast and I was like that's that's not my
my perfect cast. You know, I had people I would have liked in place of other
people, yourself being one of them. You know, we can talk about that more in a
second. For the record, I just want to say, and I know there's been so much hand
ringing in the survivor community, like this is that me not being there is,
has not been my complaint at all.
Okay.
But it's my complaint.
It's not about you.
It's about me as a viewer and a friend and a fan, like a fan first of Rob
Cesarino before I ever met you.
I was a fan of Rob Cesarino. Um, and then met you. I was a fan of Rob Cessar Nino. Um
And then I got to know you a little bit nice
Yeah, but but you know, no, okay, let's start this I was gonna start with positivity
But in fact now I've got to start with negativity because this subject has been raised. There is no player who has done
More for the franchise. I believe then and at all than you
I mean you could argue like Richard Hatch kind of like
defined the identity of the show.
We're right there.
Don't make this about me.
You have never been indicted.
Between the two of you.
I appreciate it, I appreciate it.
Don't make it event.
Much appreciated, my friend.
And buy Stephen Fishback's book,
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Don't try to redirect me.
Don't try to like.
You don't need to do this.
Okay, but no, but it is sincere.
And I did not intend to go down this rabbit hole immediately.
Eventually, it was, you know, I gotta get props.
I know you've gotten a lot of props.
A lot of people are saying that,
but truly, it is kind of crazy.
I've been touched, I really have.
Yeah, it is kind of crazy that you, of all people,
are not on the cast.
I do think like, everyone wants to see you play again.
It's been so long.
You did so, so, so badly your last time time out so humiliatingly badly. And we all wanted
you're telling me yeah you're telling me to redeem yourself and like you know it would have been so
fun to see you out there truly truly I'm bummed as a fan and as a friend. That was an oversight.
That is that is an unforgivable oversight. However, I do feel like, so I did my like, you know, where did these come from? And I kind of, we'll talk about that. But I do
feel like everybody is so mad at this season that it's like, how mostly there's a lot to love here.
There's a lot to love. Everyone's got their favorites, you know, everyone's got their
one that they're angry wasn't included. But like, I wanna push back on this whole idea of,
well, what we're really mad about is Jeff told us
that this was going to be a celebration.
And how can it be a celebration
if there's nobody from the twenties?
How can it be a celebration?
First of all, we just had a survivor celebration.
Season 40 was a celebration.
That was a celebration.
And it was kind of a middling to bad season, I believe.
So like, and I think part of the problem with that season
was that it was too much of a celebration.
There was too much of like champagne clinking on the beach
and like, look at us, we're all so great.
Like we got edge of extinction here
so that nobody has to go home.
We're all celebrating.
Like I want no celebration.
I want like gritty, you know,
face in the sand, mean fighting. I don't no celebration. I want like gritty, you know, face in the sand, mean fighting.
I don't want celebration.
I want like, you know, tough survivor.
Do you feel like that we got a cast for mean, gritty,
not a celebration, all fighting?
You can't have it both ways.
You can't say this is not enough of a celebration
and this is too much of a celebration.
Well, I'm just saying that you're saying like,
okay, well, like I'm glad with what we got because it's not a celebration. celebration. Well I'm just saying that you're saying like okay well like I'm glad with what we got because
it's not a celebration.
Yeah well I just think that this whole we just had a celebration fight how many celebrations
do people need?
Like what is a freaking celebration?
It's a TV show about people backstabbing each other like what do we need?
What is the like you need cake?
Like what's going on?
So your issue is that you feel like I don't know where people got this idea it was going
to be a celebration of all of Survivor.
That's what you're pushing back against?
Well, so I feel like that is kind of the,
that has been sort of like the excuse almost.
And you know, this is,
I'm not only like responding to Kelly Wentworth
who didn't mention this, but she was like one of many.
So it's not just about Kelly because,
again, like everyone's got their opinion.
This is just my opinion. I feel like, you know, a Kelly because, and then again, like everyone's got their opinion. This is just my opinion.
I feel like, you know, a month ago, two months ago,
people were complaining
that there was not enough new era cast.
It was, oh my gosh, we're seeing these same people
we've seen over and over again.
Do we really need to see these four time players?
Like, I'm so sick of it.
Let's do something new for season 50.
Now that we're getting a lot of the new era players people are
Like oh my gosh, where are the four-time players?
How come we don't have Malcolm out there, you know
Like it's like no matter what they do people are gonna be like we were promised the other thing
You know and and likely I got complaints. I do have complaints. I don't want this to be like full, you know full
Sucking kneecaps, but I do think that, you know,
like it's a little overdone, you know,
and this was, you know, it's a good season.
It's gonna be good.
I think like every single one of these people,
I think is going to be exciting on like some
for their merits.
And it's like a mix of like these like legends of the game,
like Saree with these like scrappy new players,
like Camilla and and Emily with
like you know the the macho bros you know with you know you've got um Jonathan and Joe and
then you've got like the super strategists like Charlie and it's just like it is a really
interesting mix of different archetypes they do span most of the the you know the span
of the scope of the show,
starting with, you know, season one, Jenna Lewis.
I overall think it's kind of a good cast.
Like there did seem to be sort of, yes, I'm like,
there's people who I would have really liked to see out there.
I would have loved to see Caroline.
I don't know why Caroline wasn't cast.
I would have loved to see Omar.
And like the last, like, obviously like everyone was mad
about 48 and so like them coming in and saying,
it kind of feels like an afterthought.
These three people, you know, like, it's like,
we don't have enough new era players, who should we cast?
These three are right there.
So it just did feel like a little bit, but I was,
I'm overall kind of like positive on this group of people.
Okay. And look, I think in a vacuum,
all the people I think are worthy
of getting another chance to play. You bring up a good point. And I think that a vacuum all the people I think are worthy of getting another chance to play.
You bring up a good point and I think that this is a question that maybe we might even get answered
in the chat. Did Jeff ever say that this season was a celebration of all of Survivor history?
Or I think he like he did say at some point like we want this season to feel like a celebration.
I think that word was used.
I don't know, all of Survivor history,
it's an impossible bar.
People are saying it's neither a new era of All-Stars
nor is it all the legends, but it's some.
It's a little bit of both.
To me, I just feel like it's giving Game Changers
a little bit where, and especially in that like,
and you got Suri and Ozzy and Aubrey,
but you had like, it was a very top heavy season.
And then there was also, and the rest of the cast
that we filled in with a bunch of random,
here's Haley Ford, here's Beast Mode Cowboy
that are back for this season.
But I just, because I don't feel like you have
the Haley Ford or the Beast Mode Cowboy
or the Game Changers here, Don Thomas here.
You know, like I think every one of these people
was exciting on their seasons in a way that,
I mean, like, again, like anytime you make a judgment
about anybody, you're gonna be like,
how dare you say that thing about Haley?
But, you know, those got, those players were all,
in my mind, like less, they were not the ones who defined their seasons.
I mean, I think if you look at this group of players, every single one of them played
hard and aggressively in some capacity on their seasons.
Okay.
To me, I feel like this season, we have not had a returning player season in six years
at this point.
And I think that probably a miscalculation to not have done one.
So now we're sort of like trying to jam two different returning
player seasons into one.
But the one that people were really excited about was the one where we were
going to get to for the last time,
get to see so many of the people that defined the show.
And we got that in something,
I haven't complained about the four timers
that are in the cast, because I think it is cool
that we will get to see Suri and Coach and, you know,
even Ozzy, that's not the stuff that bothers
me it's the stuff about not getting to see people that are maybe this was their
last chance that we were ever going to get them back on the show whereas these
new era all-stars they were not going anywhere you know if if survivor 54 was
going to be new era second chance that all these people
Could have waited two years to be able to do it
We're never going to at least unless there's like hey survivor
60 is going to be the legend season and now you know here comes all these people that are getting now
Really long in the tooth. I don't know if that is even in the offing who knows where survivor is by survivor
60 or whatever magic number 65 we're gonna retire all these people so I
Feel like that this was the this was the literal 50 golden opportunity
To have done that with these you know the the real like the Hall of Famers and have them come back out one more time the new era people
They could have done it for 52. You could have done it for 54. Where were they going?
Going anywhere Kyle. I would love to have had a year off and come back and play but who are you talking?
I mean, so I agree with you
Like I would have loved to see someone like Sean Rector come back, right? Like I'm that's the one that bumps me right?
I would have loved to see someone like Sean Rector come back, right?
That's the one that bums me out.
Yes, I would have loved to see some of these big characters
from the show's past that didn't get to play again.
I would love to see Sean Rector coming back.
I'm very excited to see Coach play for a fourth time.
Fourth time, you know, it's been 27 seasons
since Coach played last time.
I am excited to see what Coach brings to the table now.
I am actually not that excited to see
what Suri and Ozzie bring to the table.
I mean, I am like number one Suri fan, obviously not.
People are gonna dispute that
because I'm about to say she shouldn't have been
on this season.
Yeah.
But like we've seen Suri work her magic so many times.
Like, I want to see like new things happen.
I would love to see some of those like classic players.
I mean, Suri is going to be on, you know,
survivor Australia versus the world this summer, you know?
And like same with Ozzy.
We've seen him so many times.
Is he bringing something new that we have not seen before
from Ozzy?
Like that is, I would be very
happy with Sean Rector. I would love that. And again, like Coach, I think he's great. But I,
and I just don't think like, and again, like I'm with you, like Kyle, Camilla and Joe, all from the
last season, but like literally every single All-Star season, they is heavily weighted towards the
recent casts. Like that's just a reality, you know?
Like they're all that way.
Like, I mean, I tweeted this, you know,
Cambodia was like nine people
from the previous three seasons.
Like, you know, heroes, villains,
like also like heavily weighted for the previous seasons.
You know, you had freaking Randy and Sugar on that season
cause they were recent.
Like no one's ever casting Randy and Sugar again.
You know, we had like, I mean like, you know. That is a fair point, that this is something
that they have done in a best, but it's not like,
hey, this is what we do on Survivor.
This is a part of the show that we always bring back
a ton of people from, just because they've done it
in the past doesn't mean that they had to do it
for this particular season
And I think that's just like the demand. Oh, sorry good well and also like
And you bring up sari and you bring up Ozzy
But I don't think anybody is saying that that's the problem with the cast like why is sari here?
Why is Ozzy here?
I think that the issue that so many people like myself have is just that there's so many of the new people and
that we missed out on the Sean
Rectors of the world because that we got in all these people who have only played in the last year
or two including people that have not even played yet they haven't even seen them well but of course
they're going to do someone from 49 to lead into 50. Like that, like to think that they wouldn't cast two people from 49 leading into 50 is,
I feel like that's just like, you know, the only time that they didn't do that was with
Samoa and to hear his villains.
And that was just because they only had like one that they like, you know, like it's, I
guess like 25 into 26, you only had Malcolm from 25.
Right?
Like, yeah.
Bring back Tommy Sheehan for winners at war.
Wait, well, okay. Okay. That's fair. That's fair. Um, but yeah,
that's fair. Who did you had Nick? You had Nick Wilson? Um,
yeah, that's, you know, well, I guess well, they did not that
worked out great. No, I'm just saying there's like, go back to
the well on that one. You know, it's like, I have people like
come up to me and like, you know, I'm the biggest Survivor fan in the whole world. I loved it when Sarah won Pearl Islands. Like,
no, what? Like, no, like, you know, there's this crazy, like recency bias and like the,
and like the vast, like the vast viewers, you've got to like, you know, tease them with the people
they just saw. No doubt. No doubt. That, but do you think that like the average survivor viewer is like so
excited like hey that's the big season 50 that they've been talking about they
announced season 50 during survivor 46 everybody is so excited about this
everybody just like a super pumped like the average survivor fan on the street
that okay oh great who are they bringing? And I'm sure they're excited about some of the names
that we're talking about.
But when we go through the list,
and it's so many people from the new era,
and not all of them necessarily were slam dunk people
that you have to have them back,
it feels like, oh, but where's this person?
Where was this person?
Yeah, no, look, and overall, like when I first saw the cast,
I thought this, you know, but now everything,
the negativity has gotten so much that I felt like
I needed to disagree with that.
I can see what you're saying, the hate has gone too far,
there are things to like.
Yes, like, and like overall, this was not my ideal cast.
Like when I think of the new era people who I would like
to see back, like this is not them for the most part.
You know, I mean, yeah.
I mean, truly like, you know, I was so,
the fact that they didn't cast Omar is astounding to me.
You know, he was such a great character.
He gives great confessionals.
He's like strategic and chaotic.
Like to me, Omar is like a perfect character.
Like why on earth would you not cast Omar?
Same with Carolyn.
She cast him in some blood on the clock tower videos.
Yeah, exactly. Go now to, so, but like, and Carolyn too.
Like I literally thought that Carolyn was a hundred percent
locked for this season.
I mean, so did every single person in the world.
Yes.
The fact that she is not on the season
is legitimately shocking to me.
And then, you know, to your point, you know, it is like,
I mean, I don't know, but they-
There's 12 people from the new era. Yeah. Carolyn did not make the cut. Jesse
did not make the cut. Right. Um, I, I see Jesse more than Omar, to be honest with you.
Like I loved Jesse as a character, but like in terms of like, you know, yeah, I mean,
I, I, but like, whatever, like both of them, I would have loved to have on this cast. Um,
and then you look at, you know, the old person from 41 to 44 is John.
That seems like a crazy oversight. And you're like, but like this, I don't know,
there's no one from the 20s. How could they do that? Who from the 20s are we so
sad? I mean, Malcolm, like again, like Malcolm's played a lot. Like, do we need
to see Malcolm again? Happy Maria Steven, come on. Same thing, like do you need to see Abby do this?
We needed it! We needed it! No, you're a pandering.
She's coming.
We need her on this podcast.
This is not cutting to the bone.
This is, Abby just being like,
oh, you messed with me, you're dead.
Like, we don't need people coming back
and like doing their like greatest hits.
You know, I want to see something new.
That's what we need.
We need greatest hits.
Oh my gosh.
Bryce, actually someone in the chat is saying Bryce.
That is actually an oversight. I think Bryce would have been an amazing addition. Would have been very fun. Yes. Oh my gosh. Bryce, actually someone in the chat is saying Bryce.
That is actually an oversight.
I think Bryce would have been an amazing addition.
Would have been very fun.
Yes.
That is a big miss.
All right, let's go through everybody here
and then we can get into a little bit more details
on everything.
And so yesterday, Mike Bloom and I, if you missed it,
we went through it, we played Jeff's introduction to everybody.
What did you do?
Did you get up early to watch the thing at 8.30
or just check it out now?
Yeah, yeah, I watched it afterwards.
Okay, all right.
Man, the chat is very anti-me.
I knew coming on here and being like,
coming out with positivity,
it's just that negativity is too much.
Yeah.
It's not my perfect cast.
We'll take questions from the chat later.
Stay with me.
But I know, but you know, like I do feel,
now I'm like, you know, it's like,
I got a book to promote.
I don't want to like piss people off.
No, look, if you want to complain,
you have to buy Steven's book.
Go to stevenfishback.com.
That's the rule, okay?
All right, here we go.
Steven, let's talk about our group of players.
We have two from Survivor 49.
I mean, you addressed this, that it's basically,
this is a Survivor staple to have done it that way.
Yeah, I'm not surprised.
I would be more shocked if they didn't have anyone from 49
leading into the new season.
And especially, I think we all know Rizgad is gonna be
like the new defining face of the franchise.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Don't you think?
I mean, he's called Rizgod
and he talks about himself as the Rizgod.
Like what else is there?
I feel like if he just says that in every confessional I'm in.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, that's hilarious to hear you even say the word.
So I mean, what else do you-
Can you believe that for the next two seasons,
we're going to have to be talking about
someone called the Riz God?
Like what the heck?
I know, all right, let's go to then, all right,
survivor 48 people, okay?
Here he is, let's bring in Joseph.
Yeah, there was no way Joe was not,
well actually I said that they should not cast Joe.
You, you called Joe being on 50.
You, you, you brought that into, you manifested that.
Yeah, I feel like of the 48 people,
I think that Joe is the person that I can see the most,
where Joe, that he just like had this moment
that really transcended the game.
Everybody, he really, I think,
was a figure that transcended Survivor.
So I say, I think, was a figure that transcended Survivor. So I
say I was not surprised by Joe. It is what it is. I just don't think that Joe,
Joe's the type of player that on a returning player season, like a Rupert,
there's one gear to Joe. Like Joe's gonna come into the new season and be Joe
again, especially with zero distance in between this and the last time he played.
So I think that Survivor is fine with that of like,
oh, like we love Joe just as he is.
He doesn't need to have a different layer in the game,
but to see Joe win this season would be wild.
Joe is the person I think is honestly
one of the least likely people to win this season right now.
I mean, I am slightly surprised that they brought him back.
I really felt like we got like as much, and I hear you,
like he's extremely popular right now.
Probably a lot of casual fans are really excited to see him.
But I watched his interviews with Mew and Mike.
Joe is not, does not give the pithy sound bite.
He is very, like, he is not a good confessional giver,
as you can just tell from his interviews
and the fact that he was
Like hugely under edited on the show and I don't think that he's going to bring another strategic layer based on what we've seen
I feel like we saw like Joe in his pure form in
48 and I don't think like to me Joe is actually kind of a miss here because I get why they had to do it
but like
Why not any like it's such a competitive spot.
Like there's so many other people I would like to see there.
Joe and Eva should have been on the Amazing Race.
I think that they really missed the boat with that.
I think that Joe without Eva, I think that Joe was like a protector.
He's somebody like, I don't think that any of these people that are going to be on this season need protecting.
They don't, they aren't like looking for a father figure,
like an older brother to protect them in the game.
I think that all of these people are going to be like
fiercely like independent and not in need
of a Joe protector type.
Do you think he's gonna be like really aggressively
seeking out someone to protect?
Do you think he is gonna like try to protect Emily Flippen?
That's my dream partnership.
Yeah, yep.
But she'll play to that. I mean, as we saw with Caleb, she will play to that. Do you think he is gonna like try to protect Emily flippin? That's that's my dream partnership. Yeah. Yeah, I
Played she'll play to that. I mean as we saw with Caleb, she will play to that. Mm-hmm. Oh my god, Joe I don't know what I'm doing like, yeah, I'm so distressed like
Emily trust me. I got you. I got you in this game Emily flippin
Yeah, I see Joe as like looking to bro down just like he did in 48
You know, he's gonna be looking at Jonathan's, the coaches,
obviously he's got Kyle there.
I think that, I mean, I can imagine like a,
obviously Colby, that is like,
that's what production wants to happen, right?
I remember JT in Here's Versus Villains was like,
when JT teamed up with Colby and Tom,
they were like salivating, he said.
So I think that's probably what they want to happen.
Do you think it's gonna be old school versus new school?
You think they're gonna do two tribes?
You think they'll do three tribes of eight?
I bet they have to mix it
because the 40 was such like an old school apocalypse.
I think they've got to mix it up a little bit.
I feel like that I could see them doing,
like starting with two groups of 12
and then very quickly, like almost like in game
changers, maybe after two votes go to three tribes of
or maybe you know three tribes of
Seven and send somebody to like Redemption Island or whatever
But they love three tribes
I think they're gonna start with three and then you know two tribes going to try the rumor is right like to try
I don't know where that rumor came from People Like two tribes going to travel council every week.
I think that people are just saying like,
what, there's 12 people from the old school
and 12 people from the new school.
I don't know if it's necessarily like a rumor.
Oh no, but I mean that the structure will be
both tribes going to travel council every week.
Like three tribes.
I think that what's happening is that people
are doing math.
They're napping and counting.
There are 24 people in 26 days.
So how do you make the math work?
I wouldn't say it's a rumor.
Yeah, there's just a lot of,
that's gotta be a lot of content, I gotta say.
Yeah. Yeah.
But for some of these people, you know,
you come back and it's like, you are like,
you go out in like one of two tribal councils,
like in an episode, like I feel like
it could potentially be like, okay,
you blink and you're gone off the show.
Yeah, that's it.
And that's why when we get to Kyle,
I'm gonna say this thing.
Well, let's say it now.
Hey, Kyle, I feel bad for Kyle.
Kyle has just one survivor.
What an accomplishment.
He should be going to parties, being cock of the walk.
Do people say that, cock of the walk. Did people say that cock of the walk?
You know, king of the mountain?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And instead he's going to go back on survivor
and like, let this not be true, touch wood.
He's going to be like 12th place on survivor 50.
You know?
If he's lucky.
If he's lucky, yes.
That's kind of like, that's doing better
than half the field, you know,
to go from being the winner
and not even getting a chance to enjoy that.
The likelihood that he wins again, very slim.
And so then to suddenly come back and do middling
and just be filled with regret, that kind of sucks.
Like he didn't get his moment.
Why couldn't we have left two weeks ago?
Yeah, exactly.
Steven, this was the one that I complained about the most on Wednesday.
I said this was my biggest problem in the whole cast
was Kyle, who is a great guy.
This is not an anti-Kyle the person take,
but I felt like to have three people from Survivor 48
and to bring back a winner, bring back somebody,
to bring back his secret number one
and his public number one,
what are we even doing?
What is the upside here for Kyle?
It feels like a wasted spot to me.
Yeah, I kind of agree.
I mean, maybe they're thinking that all of these old schoolers
have so many connections to each other.
You look at that chain with like Suri and Ozzy
who have played together so many times,
but the old schoolers are gonna need
every advantage they've got.
I mean, I do think Saree will probably do well
because she always does well.
But I do think, I agree with you.
This was like my biggest complaint too,
was like these three just being like lifted up,
basically from the seats at the final four and like placed.
And it really felt, it did feel like an afterthought of,
we need some new school players.
There they are.
So like, I, this, especially when there's so many
new school players who we do feel like deserving
and we have wanted to see, I do think this was a miss.
Okay.
But I'm excited.
I think he'll be fun.
And Camilla.
Yeah, and Camilla.
Camilla actually, I'm like more excited for it than Kyle.
Like so much of what we've said over the past,
over the whole past season
was how much better Camilla would do in a different season
that wasn't all about like the strong bros being,
you know, honor and integrity.
I think it will be really fun to watch Camilla play
in this season.
That said, like if I had to choose
between Camilla and Carolyn, you know,
I probably would go Carolyn.
Of the three of them, I think Camilla is the person
that has the chance to potentially really play
a very fun, exciting, chaotic game
and bring a lot to the season.
So, I just think that Camilla,
based off of what we saw in Survivor 48,
where,
I'm a huge Camilla fan. If we were gonna say,
who were the biggest characters in Survivor 48?
If you were looking at the poster for Survivor 48,
and it was a movie,
what billing on the poster would Camilla be?
Yeah.
No, I mean, she's like-
Would she be the fifth lead, the sixth lead?
Right, so we've got like, you've got like-
Starring Joe Hunter.
Joe Hunter.
Are you Joe?
Kyle, Kyle, whatever.
Like Eva, Eva, whatever.
Right, and then, so Camilla's probably four.
Yeah, David, David and Camilla,
also featuring David and Camilla. Yeah, but here's what I like about Camilla, and I, uh. Yeah. David, David and Camilla, also featuring David and Camilla.
Yeah, but here's what I like about Camilla.
And I, cause I agree with you,
but I think what Camilla brings
is like a different type of play style.
And what I see in this cast
is a lot of different play styles that they've cast.
Like if you cast Carolyn here, like, and who I, again,
like things should have been cast.
Like, you know, Camilla's kind of like
the scrappy underdog schemer type.
You know, there aren't actually a lot of those
in this group.
You know, I know that New Era Survivor
is all scrappy underdog schemers,
but like there aren't too many of those
looking at this, you know, you got maybe like Aubrey
is that archetype, like Emily a little bit,
but not, you know, even who else?
Who else is that?
Like maybe Charlie, I guess, even who else? Who else is that? Like maybe Charlie, I guess. Like, but who else?
Yeah, I feel like as,
if we're looking for to replace her
with another woman from the new era,
like I think that you, I mean,
I don't know if you want it like Rachel in that spot,
but it's like, to me, it's just like,
this is not, if we it's just like, this is not,
if we're talking about like,
the Survivor, this is Survivor 50, this is Survivor 50.
Like Camilla, Camilla had a nice run in Survivor 48.
Yeah, yeah.
It's definitely, okay, yes.
It's definitely gonna be the one of the ones
where you are like, you're looking back and are like,
how did that happen?
Or, you know, she's gonna win.
Yeah.
Look, this is not anything about,
like I think she could be,
I actually, I think that there's a chance
she ends up being a very early boot
where they break up Kyle and Camilla
and they choose to keep the challenge strength in Kyle.
And I do think that that could be a very,
I think Kyle should fall on his sword
because he owes one to Camilla if that's gonna happen.
But that being said, I would love to see her do well
in the game because I think she is a very fun player
to watch, but I just think that this was Survivor 50.
Yeah, I mean, yes, but again,
like looking at the group of play styles,
it's just like, I think it's gonna be really fun.
I think it's gonna be a really fun season.
I don't wanna be toxically optimistic here, but yeah.
All right, we have Jenna.
You're gonna all regret chat.
You're gonna regret, you know.
All this is being recorded.
So when they do well and these people become like,
and the same people that are booing you are standing.
Queen Camilla, greatest player of all time. Nobody's gonna care. They're gonna be like, oh, you people that are booing you are stanning Queen Camilla, greatest player
of all time.
Nobody's going to care.
They're going to be like, oh, you were wrong then for reasons, you know, you're wrong now
for other reasons.
People complain.
That's what social media is for these days.
I really felt like that Genevieve did seem like a lock for an all-star after she played.
It'll be interesting to see what Genevieve is going to be able to do here.
I look, I guess we're going to if we're going to have the new new era people, we could do worse than Genevieve, who I think will be very, very fun to watch play.
I think she might have a hard time finding her footing. Genevieve, I think, is agreed.
Like this is one of the ones I think everyone sort of agrees is a great choice from the new era.
She was a super fun contestant.
She's got great energy, a lot of positivity.
Like when you're bringing back people from this group,
Genevieve's, and you know, she was strategic.
She played well, you know, she was like a joy to watch.
Like, nobody is complaining about,
about, oh, there probably are people,
but like I'm not, nobody I know is complaining.
I think people are complaining like,
oh, there's so too many people from the new era
that you need Genevieve right away.
But Steven, I compared her yesterday to,
I thought she might have a run like Kim Spradlin
in Winners at War where everybody's kind of afraid
to get close to her.
And then she like ends up going out around like eighth place,
but never really finding her people.
Yeah, I don't know though because she's so charming.
You know, like she's just got, like,
and she's very, very smart.
She's played clock tower with her.
She's like an absolute natural at clock tower.
And that's, that's, that's the bar.
That's the standard, but I don't know,
but I don't think she's passed.
But I don't think she is, in some ways,
those, those disadvantages could be advantages for her
where she is well liked, but she doesn't feel like,
oh gosh, we've got to get rid of her.
She's not like Camilla who we just had saying
about how she loved to lie to people
and throw them under the bus.
Genevieve seems just like a nice Canadian lady.
And she's not someone like,
oh, we gotta get rid of those devious old schoolers
because they're all connected
or they gotta get rid of those 48ers.
There's no reason out of the gate to target Genevieve.
Okay. We got Charlie.
Oh, like the, should we talk about like the people who are not here? Like are we surprised
that Andy is not here from 47? Yeah, I was very surprised to not have Andy here. I feel like that
Andy coming out of his season, I feel like the Operation Italy, he played so hard,
he had such a story arc.
I mean, I feel like that there's not a lot of people
on the show where that they love that they have an arc
of like where they started to where they went,
but then also to have the mind to make a big move.
And in Andy, I felt like that you really had
a perfect person in that.
So I do feel like that it was an oversight
not to have Andy.
Yeah, I honestly like even just doing a one-to-one,
I actually think Andy would be a better cast here
than Charlie, Charlie whom I loved and do want to see back
and think should come back in a new era season.
But well, first of all,
there's just something a little on the nose.
Like if I had to choose like one, you know,
spiky haired white guy to be on the new, this season,
it's you, Rob, it's you.
If there's-
We're not even the same archetype.
You're both spiky haired
and you've been working on your grip strength.
That's true.
Yeah.
I get that, yeah.
So, you know, you both have sort of floral shirts.
Yeah, I am worried about Charlie.
I think that he is seen as probably a big threat.
And so I think that Charlie is a super nice guy.
I hope he does well.
I would have rather seen him on a new era All-Stars
than a Survivor 50 spot,
but can't complain too much about Charlie.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, a good player, a good player, yes.
But again, like this is where it gets,
and this is like the big trio of 46ers.
You know, you start to wonder why did we not have Shan?
You know, like, or more why did we not have Omar?
So, okay, so Tiffany is next.
Okay, here's Tiffany.
I'll ask you the same question.
Okay, Survivor 46 poster. of Omer. So Tiffany is next up. Here's Tiffany. I'll ask you the same question.
Survivor 46 poster.
The movie of Survivor 46.
In what order is Tiffany Nicole Ervin billed
on the Survivor 46 poster?
Yeah.
I mean, fifth, we got, who's up there?
It's like Kenzie Q Q, Q, starring Q.
So Q is the top billing, okay?
Then you've got like Kenzie, Charlie and Maria.
Yeah, people get mad when I say Maria.
You can't even say Maria's name.
You can't even say Maria?
You start to frown.
I don't know, I said Maria, you started frowning.
I don't care.
I thought Maria did great.
Yeah, the, yeah, no, I agree with you,
but I also think this is someone
who would come back in a new era of All-Stars
and would be a very fun cast for that.
I think my winner pick in a new era of All-Stars,
I just don't know why we had to rush to, you know,
and I really like Tiffany, I had a great podcast with her,
but she wasn't going anywhere.
Like you could, if you waited two years and brought her back for a new era All-Stars,
I would be championing it.
But when-
I think some of it with some of these groups
is like they want groups to bounce off each other, right?
Like you want people out there who have history.
So you get Tiffany and Q on it together.
Like are they on a tribe together?
Are they opposing each other?
Are people worried about what happens
when they come back to the merge?
It's the same thing with that three from 48.
Like having people grouped together who have history
adds a whole nother layer of tension.
So you know you're bringing Q back, right?
So who are we bringing back with Q?
And then it's like, is it,
Tiffany is like a really good choice for that.
This is a fair point.
And I actually made this same point to a friend of mine
who said, are we worried Q won't have people
to fight with on the show?
But I think, oh my gosh, you got me last time, Q.
You're not gonna do it again,
but you're the only person I know out here.
That's a fun dynamic.
I mean, in Cambodia, it was Spencer and Cass, you know, like you want to see those pairs.
And I think just like that adds a lot to the fun
of these returning player seasons.
If it's just like random guy, you know,
I guess Jonathan, it's like,
and Jonathan like his shtick isn't even like his alliances.
His shtick is just being like big and strong.
Like Jonathan's gonna do his thing.
But like, it's almost like casting,
you don't wanna cast Omar almost without Mary Anne.
They gotta bring those two back together.
And I think that's probably part of this.
They're bringing Q back,
so they gotta bring back someone for him to bounce off of.
Okay, all right.
Then there's Q.
No complaints here.
Universally 100% approval rating for Q.
Anything else you wanna say about Q?
No, he was the number one person from New Era
that I thought would be brought back.
Him and Carolyn were top two, so I was wrong, 50%.
But Q felt like the biggest lot.
I mean, Gabe asked the question,
Gabe said in the opening of Survivor 47
or in the tease for Survivor 47,
I'm gonna be on the New Era of Mount Rushmore. And so we in the tease for survivor 47, I'm going to be on the new era
of Mount Rushmore. And so we said, ask the question at the time, well, who is on the
new era of Mount Rushmore? And I think for me, I said, okay, well we have Q Carolyn,
Jesse, and then I think the fourth spot is maybe up for debate. But now I think that
the entire Mount Rushmore now needs to be.
Yeah. Yeah. Open it up. Who is it now? Kyle and Joe and Camilla.
Do you think they cast Aubrey because Q is going to be there?
I don't think so. I mean, we'll get to Aubrey when we get there,
but I think that that is just like a, you know,
a little like coincidence.
I don't think that it was like Q is like ranting
about Aubrey when he's like meeting with the producers.
Yeah, but you know they've got that clip ready.
They're like playing a clip, playing a clip, you know,
they're ready with the- That'll be, it will be in an episode for sure, but we'll see know, they've got that clip ready. They're like playing a clip, playing a clip, you know, they're ready with the-
That'll be, it will be in an episode for sure.
Yeah.
But we'll see.
Okay. All right.
And then Emily Flippin is here.
Amazing. Yeah.
The only person from 45, oh, sorry,
that's not true at all, these here.
One of the few people from 45.
Emily is great.
I'm really, really, really excited to see Emily play.
Emily does this thing in Clock Tower that I think,
and that we saw her doing it.
I didn't realize it at the time,
but she did it in 45, where she's like,
I don't know what's happening.
I'm just a dodo.
I don't know anything.
What's going on?
I'm so confused.
I don't know anything.
I think people will buy it.
Like she is so effing smart.
I'm so nervous.
Oh my God, why am I here? And yet she plays it down so well I think people will buy it. Like she is so effing smart. She's so strategic. I'm so nervous.
Oh my God, why am I here?
And yet she plays it down so well
that even like literally,
watch our latest Clocktower episode,
plug watch our latest Clocktower episode.
Like you buy it, like even knowing she's doing it.
I don't buy it.
You still get misted by it.
She is so good at that act that,
you can see the tokens, Rob.
You've got an unfair advantage.
And then she's so strategic.
I did a panel with her at Clock Tower Con
and we were talking about like,
is there any morality when you go out and play these shows?
And of course, I being a sad artist, like a soft,
you know, it's not sad, but a soft, you know.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, exactly. That actually is a sort of
classic for you it's like you know a soft-hearted like middle-aged dad i was
like of course you've got like take people's feelings into account and while
you do have to make tough decisions like you have to i do think you need to
personally reckon with it and she's like no
you cut throats screw them all you know you know death to those around me
i think emily is going to go in with like severely underestimated and I think she's
going to like wreak a trail of destruction. Oh you think severely underestimated? Yeah because like
people people don't remember Emily necessarily as like she she voted out Bruce you know nobody
thinks of Emily as you know some like huge player and I think people don't you know they remember
her like being somewhat like obstreperous in the opening and they remember her like you know
eventually finding her way and then having like
a growth moment deciding she wanted to get married.
But like nobody thinks of her like, oh, that, you know,
that's the cutthroat person.
Yeah, well, I think that she is going to be very closely
connected to the next person in the slideshow here.
Another person that I feel like
great winner, but when you brought in two winners,
I really just feel like you completely just lost the plot
where it was no winners, it was no winners.
Why did we bring in winners at the last second?
But this is what I'm talking about.
And if so, then where are some of these other winners?
I feel like there would have been
a lot of other winners we would have had, right?
Yeah, I mean, I hear you that that,
it makes it feel kind of random.
Like, why do you not have some of like,
why do you not have Tony, or Sandra?
Yeah, you'd be Sandra.
I mean, who would be the winners?
Why don't you have Earl? Rizkod will be there.
Where's Earl?
Yeah, Earl actually would be a good one.
Earl actually would be a really good one.
But, you know, maybe we do have three winners.
Like maybe it's one winner per tribe.
Perhaps, yeah, maybe.
I just like-
Jam Jam, someone has come, you know, Cryoza.
Jam Jam is one of like my big oversights too.
I think Jam Jam is like not having Jam Jam is a big miss.
I feel like Jam Jam was such a fun, big character,
a great player.
He was like just like a joy to watch,
joy to watch him play.
I feel like he would be like perfect for this like whole idea
of it being a celebration, you know,
for like for them looking for like players who were like positive
and enthusiastic.
I feel like Jam Jam, like not being here is a miss.
That of course has nothing to do with D.
D who's like arguably one of the best players
of the new era.
And then most people say like,
if there's a best player in the new era,
like D is up there, right?
People are saying D is probably one of the,
the one or two of the best.
So why wouldn't you bring back one or two, that person?
Yeah, so I don't know.
I don't know what else I could say about this.
Is D gonna do good?
Is she gonna do well?
I think it really comes down to what the tribe breakdown is
because I could see there being some sort of
anti-winner
sentiment. But I think that if it ends up being all new versus old, then I kind of feel like the D
and Kyle are going to need to work together and have each other's back. And I wonder maybe if this
could be more bad news for Camilla where where that, okay, so we gotta break up
Kyle and Camilla somehow.
And also then it's like, well, Dee's like,
well, I don't want Kyle to go,
because I wanna keep him.
And then Camilla ends up sort of like being scapegoated
in that Kyle ends up being saved,
and Camilla ends up being the person who,
well, she's not really helping us in the challenges,
and that they end up looking at her
as a potential first boot.
Yeah, I mean, the anti-winter thing,
that's something, I mean, obviously Jenna Lewis
is going to be there.
Yes.
Who really created that,
but I don't feel like the players,
that's your all-stars talking, Rob.
I don't feel like the players feel that way anymore, do they?
Has there ever been, like, you know, I mean,
nobody really cared in, I don't know, some other season.
I kind of feel like they care. I feel like the people are still a little salty about, you know,
they'll get they they've won already. And if not even just for like, hey, I'm jealous of their
money. It's like they're dangerous player. Yeah. But if you're thinking like if other people are
going to be mad at that, isn't that the kind of person you want to bring with you to the end and I'll tell you what that Joe's hot take on
Survivor 48 they asked like and I don't know if we have a photo of this that he said that you know
D's win was not that good. I feel like that there could be some
Feuding between D and Joe. It's funny that then like the exact same like basically he got deed in the finale of
Yeah, all right, and then also we have like the exact same, like basically he got deed in the finale of the meet.
All right, and then also we have Jonathan.
Yeah.
All right, I'm gonna say something that this is,
okay, maybe you could push back on me,
and this is gonna be a controversial take.
I think that if, you know, I feel like to your point
that you've been saying about how like,
hey, all these people watch the show,
the people on the street don't really know who's going on.
I think that while the fans that are probably in the chat
maybe like whatever, were very whatever on Jonathan,
I think he made a big impression on the TV audience.
And I think that there will be a lot of viewers of the show
that will be excited to see Jonathan back.
Hey, listen, I'm one of them.
You know me, I love a giant dude.
Like I am actually excited about Jonathan.
I thought, I mean, he just like, you know,
some of the appeal of Survivor is just the pure,
you know, physicality of it.
It's like stepping into the wild
and doing these crazy things.
And I think it's fun to have players
who embody that aspect of the game.
And Jonathan is obviously one of them.
You have Ozzy here, who's one of them.
Colby, who at one point was one of them.
And Coach, who deludes himself into thinking
he's one of them.
So I feel like there is a lot of like fun and intrigue here
for a character like Jonathan to,
I'm excited to have different play styles,
basically.
Yeah, and that's not a Rob Sisternino pick
in that I need Jonathan on this season,
but it is a Rob Sisternino call from,
go back to a year ago when we did the,
draft the cast of Survivor 50,
and I drafted Jonathan because I said,
they love this guy, he will be back.
Yeah, I mean and like he's too like kind of what I was saying about you want people who can bounce
off of each other with Jonathan you don't really need that it's not like Jonathan needs Mike around
to be Jonathan you know he doesn't need Omar around to be Jonathan like his Jonathanness
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Let's go to the old era, okay?
And yes, okay.
I know you are stoked for Rick Devens.
I am stoked for Rick Devens.
And this is one of the ones, you know,
this is to me like the no brainer, right?
Like this is the got, like one of these got,
you're narrowing your eyes.
Really?
Wait, let me, well, okay.
First of all, like Rick was one of the biggest characters
of the thirties, right?
And in that era, in that, like now what is characterized
is old school era that like never got a chance to come back.
To me, Rick has always been, you know, a big,
big survivor character. Like, and when we're talking about bringing out those people from
the first 40 seasons who never got their shot at an all star game, to me, Rick is a no brainer.
He was super, super, super funny. I thought he remained super funny and he played a great game.
He like had, you know, he played like a really good,
fun, strategic game.
It had like big moments.
Like what do you, what is not to like,
there was a lot of hostility to Rick as a player
because I think people just assumed he was going to win.
And I think people were like getting tired
of all the Rick in their face.
But ultimately he didn't win.
And I'm just like really, really psyched for him.
And also he's like a great human being,
and I'm happy for him.
Yeah, I'm happy for him.
I think it's fine to have Rick Devens.
I feel like that if you didn't have Rick Devens,
I don't think that there would be people out
with pitchforks like, what, where is Rick Devens?
Why isn't he on this cast?
I think that probably if there was an all-star season
before this, I think he should have been on it.
But I feel like that,
I think it would have been fine either way.
So I'm kind of like indifferent on the Rick Devins pick.
It doesn't bother me,
but I also think that it wasn't a must have.
See, but to me, it's like,
if you're gonna bring back people from that late 30s era,
like it's like Rick, you know,
and then Christian Angelina, like that's it.
Like who else needs to come back from that late thirties era. Like it's like Rick, you know, and then Christian Angelina, like that's it. Like who else, who else like needs to come back
from that era?
And obviously I'm super excited about Mike, but-
Dom Bate?
Yeah, Dom.
Dom would also be a really good one to have.
Dom is an oversight, that's true.
Yeah, okay.
All right, then Mike White.
Yeah, obviously this is gonna be really fun.
You know, I think that, you know, it's been said
But mike is probably the favorite to win this season right now
Um, you know because obviously everyone like we've made everyone has made the joke about like well, you know
You are all going to want to align with mike because you want to you know for that for that white lotus cameo
And that's true
But even more than like aligning with him
I feel like is that jury vote at the end
where like every, when you're on the jury,
you're like, I hate all these people.
I don't wanna vote for any of them.
Like, why would I choose any of these three people?
Now you have, if Mike is there,
now you actually have an incentive to vote for one of them.
You're like, if I vote for Camilla,
she's not gonna cast me on her series,
but like I'm incentivized to vote for Mike to win here.
And so I think like, if Mike is at the end,
like again, and who's cutting him, right?
Then people are going to choose him to win.
I just wonder if like,
that's how we think it's all gonna go.
And I feel like we're always so wrong
on how it's all going to go.
Like we did not, if we would have done this right before,
like when they left for winners of war,
it was all right, Tony, no chance
that nobody's letting him get close to the end.
So we just don't know, sure, on paper,
that's going to be the case, but like at some point,
the players might say like, okay,
well we gotta stop Mike White while we can,
and so maybe they end up doing that.
So that, what you're saying makes a lot of sense,
who knows how it will actually play out.
Who is the person though?
Like I think like, you know,
probably the correct strategy is to blindside him early
before he can get his hooks into other people.
I can see that from like Emily just being as, you know.
Yes, push back on that.
I can see that.
Emily.
Jenna Lewis, I think also could be unimpressed.
I think Suri is an interesting one to watch with Mike White.
Like does Suri covet being on the White Lotus?
Suri who hates television.
We know she hates to be on TV.
Yeah.
I think that's also an interesting one.
Yeah.
That is an interesting one.
I agree with you, but she might see the downside
to Mike being there at the end.
So I don't know, I'm excited for Mike.
Mike was very fun as a character in addition
to obviously the White Lotus stuff.
Like he was hilarious.
He had great confessionals.
Look, if Mike White wants to come back for Survivor 50,
you let Mike White come back for Survivor 50.
You know, it is what it is and I'm excited to see him.
Okay, all right. Angelina again, slam dunk.
No brainer.
This is number one.
They nailed it.
Angelina at the top, like mid thirties,
like this is number one.
Okay, I mean, I don't know if there's anything else to say.
Here's my question, Angelina.
Do you, if you, so I saw her post on Instagram,
like a montage of all of the jackets
that she is planning to bring with her.
Surely as like a wardrobe consultant,
your job is to make sure Angelina does not have a jacket.
You think so?
I think they give them a lot of jackets now.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Angelina was great because she was not self-aware, right?
Like that's what was really fun about Angelina.
It was like she would say these
extremely unself-aware things.
So I think the upside to Angelina is that she is just
innately that way and will bring that.
I think the downside might be like coach
in his like later incarnations where like he was
performing coach more than he was being himself.
Like in my mind, a lot of people, I mean, I loved,
here's Roosevelt's coach.
There's a lot of great moments there,
but it's obvious like he's doing the shtick
whereas Tocantins era coach, you know, he was being was being coach and that was what was that was just like sublime
You know it whereas it became kind of like second tier of that
It'll be interesting to see if it still works as a character where I feel like that they were
I was talking about this recently in terms of coach and his original run in token sheens that they could
in terms of Coach and his original run in Token Sheens, that they could edit somebody to be a little bit
of a caricature at that point in time,
whereas that is really not the editing style
of the show in the new era.
So it will be interesting to see how Angelina is portrayed.
Yeah, yeah, that's absolutely correct.
So I'm trying to think, have they gone goofy on anybody
in the last couple of-
Roll, I think might've been the one person.
Yeah, but they're doing more fun editorial stuff,
but you're right, they're not clowning people
like they usually do.
Yeah, although I do think that-
Which I support, by the way.
Yeah, I do think that Mike is also gonna be there
to wind her up at times, so we'll see.
I think that he will help get the best out of Angelina.
Yeah, that will be really fun.
So do you cast Mike and Angelina on the same tribe?
Or yes, right?
Because you wanna see them.
Yeah, I think so too.
Okay, all right.
And then we have also our friend Christian Hubecky,
a no brainer.
Yeah, a no brainer.
A big brainer.
Big brainer.
Christian, obviously someone who I'm sure
was just like instant call, you know,
top list for this season.
Someone who was such a huge character on his show.
I really liked the perfect character
to be on David versus Goliath.
He just like felt like the quintessential, you know,
embodiment of the theme of that.
Like Christian versus John Hennigan
was David versus Goliath.
But yeah, like a great guy, like very astute survivor, um, you know,
survivor instincts and, and, and, um, strategic reads, you know, also like a very
sincere guy in a way, like he's like a really, really very sweet guy kind guy.
Like in this way, like I'm worried about my clock tower Alliance with like
Christian and Emily, because like, I think Christian will get the short end of
that straw. Like Christian will like believe that he has a real friendship with
Emily and Emily will Emily will cut him.
How do you think he's gonna do?
Steven.
I think people, especially new era people,
will want to work with Christian because they like him.
He's like a prototype of the new era nerd, right?
We're all nerds now, but back then,
Christian was like a super nerd.
I think he will, and I don't think he will have
the same huge threat level that he did in
David versus Goliath where like he was like super David you know like David
get to the end of David versus Goliath. Yeah I'm worried for him. Yeah I'm
worried I don't know if like I don't know if that he's Jenna Lewis's cup of
tea I don't know if he's Colby's cup of tea I don't know if he's Suri's cup of tea. I don't know if he's Colby's cup of tea. I don't know if he's Saree's cup of tea. Coach that he has so much baggage with Cochran.
Coach is gonna be a fan. I will talk about this. I think Coach is gonna put on a
show and I think like Christian is gonna be like Christian is an archetype and I
think Coach is gonna want like Coach is gonna be like next level coach
theater. You know Ozzy's cup of tea, I don't know.
So I just feel like I'm more worried about him
from some of these old school players
who might be looking at him as sort of like the math guy.
He's got it all figured out.
And I think that just because he knows math
doesn't necessarily mean he's sneaky.
And I think that he could be maybe somebody
who ends up getting some targets thrown his way, maybe Mike and Angelina
will go to bat for him.
Yeah, I mean, he is not sneaky.
That is, which people probably don't realize.
I think you're right.
Like he has the downside of seeming strategic without,
and he's very thoughtful and strategic,
but he's not like, I don't think he's devious or sneaky.
He's like too earnest maybe.
And too quick-
Yeah, sincere, right.
Yeah.
So not a great, yeah.
You need to be a sociopath for survival.
All right.
And that's why Emily Flippen is gonna take it.
All right, we've got Chrissy Hofbeck.
Yeah, excited to see Chrissy back.
Very, you know, she was, had a great run
on her first season and, you know,
did amazingly in the immunity challenges, really
kind of like put the lie to the sort of older woman.
Sort of like, I think there's been a lot, there had been and remain to have been like
a lot of recent seasons where sort of that the older woman archetype had kind of like
been dismissed in the finals and the fact that she was right there and like getting
votes and highly competitive to win and many believe should have won, you know,
really speaks to her being a great, a great cast.
To me, the Chrissy pick is like in the same category
as like Rick where I'm not mad at it,
and I'm happy for Chrissy,
but if Chrissy Hoffbeck was not on the Survivor 50 cast,
I do not think that there would be a lot of protest
of what, Survivor 50, no Chrissy, what the hell?
But then who are these people?
You're like, what about these people
who this was their last chance?
Like Chrissy is that person.
Like who are these people other than Sean Rector
who you're referring to who they didn't cast?
I think I would have rather seen Jerry.
Really, Jerry for the fourth time?
Who like brought like very little to the table
in Heroes vs Villains?
Like Chrissy is gonna like bring him.
She almost won the game.
She got almost, she got like a one day short
of what Chrissy did.
She, but she wasn't like driving that season
in the way that Chrissy was.
Like Chrissy was like one of the-
Chrissy was driving the season?
Yes, with her alliance with Ryan
was one of like the biggest, you know,
strategic duos of that whole season. I mean, Ben also like hugely influential there. People, you
know, underestimate Ben's game in that season. But like, yeah, Chrissy and Ryan were like kind of
running that season. Chrissy had like a dominant immunity. They didn't like her. That's why she
didn't win. Yeah. But like that's, you know, likeability. That's, that's, that's a real,
that's a third rail. I think like, and then Jerry is so likable.
You're like, replace her with Jerry, who we've seen three times.
Where's Amanda?
And who like was like, yeah.
Also who we saw three times.
Like I'm much more excited to see Chrissy play a second time.
I'm worried about Chrissy.
I'm bummed to not see Amanda, but like I do need to see Jerry X for, like, you know, we...
I feel like she didn't bring that much to the table the last time we saw her.
Who didn't?
Jerry.
Jerry.
Yeah.
I just feel...
I'm sort of worried about Chrissy.
I feel like that she doesn't have a ton of social connections to this group, and I feel
like that she is going to be an early boot on this season.
So I'm happy for Chrissy that she got back and she has a great story.
And so like, again, happy for Chrissy personally.
I just feel like that we get, we got six women from the pre
Survivor 40 to see one more time.
Like Chrissy was not like, like in my top 20 of people.
Then who are they?
You're giving me Jerry and Amanda. I can't buy, it's like, give me someone, you know, give me someone like fresh, Like Chrissy was not like in my top 20 of people. But then who are they?
You're giving me Jerry and Amanda.
I can't buy guys.
So like, give me someone, you know,
give me someone like fresh, you know, like, I can't,
I can't, I mean, look, it sounds like
that's a fundamental issue difference, right?
Like you want these boring five time players
to like trot out the same garbage we've seen again and again.
I want fresh.
This is like one of like,
this is in the hands of the fans.
Do you want to see the same shtick you've seen again and again or new fresh players who have something to prove
and are willing to fight for it all? Yeah. What's Chrissy's best TV moment? One of those challenge
wins, you know? Something with the idol. Wasn't there like digging for an idol or something?
She's wrestled, I think. Yeah, wrestling for an idol. Yeah, that was the big moment.
She's gonna wrestle for it. And she's charming. She's lovely. She's lovely. People didn't like her.
That's on them. That's on those people. All right. Then Aubrey Bracco. Yeah. I am of two minds about Aubrey.
I think that it's great that they are bringing a range of archetypes back,
but I, you know, and it's fun.
I think it shall be fun, but like,
she's kind of my like, do I need to see Aubrey times four?
Like again, like, that's sort of like my benchmark.
Like I would rather see Sean Rector over Aubrey.
I know that they're not competing with the same spot.
Yeah, I do feel like that Aubrey,
I do think we've seen it.
And the difference between like Aubrey and say like Amanda,
it's like Aubrey played three times
in a very short period of time,
but that was only like six years ago.
It wasn't like that that was 15 years ago
since we've seen Aubrey.
So I feel like we've barely had a chance
to seriously miss Aubrey since the last time she went back.
And so here she is.
And so I know some people are really big Aubrey heads
and Aubrey fans.
So I'm happy for them.
But I mean, this was supposed to be Amanda, right?
Yeah.
I think, you know, we kind of like missed
the people they didn't cast.
I mean, we've sort of been talking about them along the way.
Them not casting Shan, I think is crazy.
I know that Shan like post show,
there was like some drama around Shan,
but in 41, we were talking about how Shan
was one of the biggest character strategists they'd ever had.
And such a big defining player of this whole new era.
Like if I want like for that kind of strategist role,
I kind of would rather see Shan here.
Then you can like take one of the other old school spots
that we don't like, you know, give it, you know,
give someone else's spot from the old school to Sean.
Like you can do a whole mix up here,
but I feel like I would rather have Shan than Aubrey.
Well, I think that it's probably Shan over Tiffany
if we're gonna like be trying to like sub somebody out.
Well, okay, then Shan over Tiffany.
I mean, I think Shan was such a big character
and she didn't even have like the Shantham.
They gave her like a custom theme song.
The fact that she was not, she's not here,
I feel like is a miss.
But again, who knows what Shan is like now.
Obviously I've heard, I mean, I just like third, you know, third degree rumors, you know, that like maybe people
didn't like her as much post show. Okay. All right. Yeah. Coach is here. Steven, your great friend.
Coach is back and I'm excited for Coach 4.0. Yeah, I am actually like in terms of like the three time
players, I'm probably most excited for coach.
I think coach is really gonna put on a show. I think that, you know, coach has not played for 27 seasons.
You know, he played three times back to back.
He played 18, 20 and 23.
That's a span of like what, like three years.
And now, so he has had a lot of time,
a lot of time to come up with new quotes, you know,
new styles, new crazy things to say.
And I'm sure every night before he goes to sleep,
he's been like, if I were on Survivor now,
here's what I would do with my jacket.
Oh, give it to, give it, oh my God, a jacket.
Then someone, he's got a jacket, someone needs a jacket.
This is an opportunity.
I do think that coach is going to be very fun.
I think coach will be theatrical in a really fun way.
Coach is also a dad now.
And so coach has maybe like, you know,
maybe a little more authenticity to him. And I think that that's why I think Coach will vibe well with a player
like Christian. I think he's going to be really like going full full coach in a way that will be
enjoyable to watch. Okay you said he's gonna put on a show. Any other like thoughts on how he'll
play the game? I do think he will probably,
so I think he's gonna play up
some of the Dragon Slayer stuff.
I think he's gonna go hard into that.
I do think that he will probably look to bond with
some of those dudes.
But Coach is also fundamentally kind of a nerd.
And so I think he will vibe with Christian and Rick.
Coach and Rick, I could actually see
bouncing off each other extremely well.
Rick is a super easy guy to get along with.
Yeah.
So I am kind of excited for older coach coming in.
Really fun to see the coach Aussie rivalry, right?
Last time coach won,
I think you gotta put them in some relationship again.
And that will be really-
And coach does not love Ozzy.
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure Ozzy doesn't love coach.
I'm sure there's some fun antagonism there
that we'll watch play out.
And again, this is why having relationships is fun.
I'm excited to see coach Ozzy.
That's gonna be great.
All right, we've got now Ozzy. You know, that's going to be great. All right. We've got now Ozzy.
Speaking of, yes.
Who do you think goes further, Coach or Ozzy?
If you had to call it in the air.
I think Coach.
Do you think Ozzy?
I think that Coach is maybe a little bit more that people look at him as.
He's harmless harmless what is he
like I think if he's not going to take the reins like he did in South Pacific
like I think that this probably could be a little bit more like coach in heroes
versus villains I don't know if who the Boston Rob is on like if it is a tribe
of the returning fairs I don't know who coach follows around
like a Boston Rob, but I think that that was interesting to see him sort of like, I have
feeling like he was sort of like second in command to Boston Rob's leadership. It won't
be Ozzy. He won't be following Ozzy around, but I wonder who that person is who sort of
like the person who's taking charge among the old school players, if it is divided that way.
Yeah, I mean, I could see him connecting with, you know,
a Jonathan or a Joe, you know, he obviously loves that.
I mean, honestly, even like a Q and coach,
like, can you imagine the lunacy of a Q coach alliance?
Like that would be very funny.
I could see him following Q.
Yeah, I could see, yeah, that would be a very fun duo,
is Q and coach. Yeah, okay, so, yeah, that would be a very fun duo, is Q and Coach.
Yeah, okay, so here's Ozzy,
and how do you think Ozzy for 5.0 is gonna be?
Yeah, I mean, where was Ozzy in Game Changers?
He kind of like, what happened with him?
I don't even remember.
He really had nothing in Game Changers,
and it wasn't necessarily like that he just came out
and flopped, like he kind of came out and was largely unmemorable.
Yeah.
That was sort of it.
And I think like Ozzy, you know,
does he have that drive anymore to kill it out there?
And that's what I, you know,
that's what I think is like fun about a lot.
I heard the drive is still strong with Ozzy.
Yeah, but do you want to sleep next to him?
Do you? No, I mean, I don't know. He's probably a nice, nice gentleman. Um,
yeah, yeah, that worse. Yeah. Um, I don't know. I think it's always fun to see Ozzy.
And I, it's a little bit fun to see like Ozzy and like competing with Jonathan.
Yeah. I mean, I feel like that there's sort of like different beasts of Ozzy versus Jonathan.
Yeah, but that's sort of like the old school, that's sort of the old school challenge beast
versus like the new school challenge beast. And again, like that's what like, that's what excites me about these casts
is like all of the different like little connections, like the neurons, the dendrites, you know, spanning the different senses.
Okay. All right. There's Ozzy and we've got Saree.
Yeah. Saree, obviously. So Saree is one of the ones where I was like when I first heard Saree.
And again, like this was back in the day when we thought it was all going to be new school.
And we were excited about that. Now we're not allowed to even pretend that existed online.
But I was like, oh gosh, we really need to see Saree again. Now I'm actually pretty excited
for Saree, to be honest. Now I'm actually pretty excited for Suri,
to be honest, like I've come around.
I think-
In during this podcast?
Yeah, no, no, just over the last week.
Now that I feel like I do need to defend everything
about this, no, no, now, no, truly,
I do think it'll be fun when it felt like,
oh my gosh, this season of new era legends
is kind of getting replaced with these old school players. I felt sad about that. You were sad that there wasn't enough new era legends is kind of getting replaced with these old school players. I felt sad about
that. You were sad that there wasn't enough new era at one point. Well, there was a point when a
lot of people felt that way. We were happy. No, people were complaining about it. Who was complaining?
There was a lot of complaining at the time, Rob. You maybe missed the complaining, but when they
first announced that they were going to be bringing back, you know, people like Suri and maybe it was like, I think there was like some interview with
poverty people were like, oh my gosh, like me, me people.
And like a lot of people like were responding to that.
Like, yes, like, do we really need to see four timers?
Like let's bring out Carolyn, let's bring out Jesse, you know, why do we have to
see four timers?
But now that it's such a hodgepodge, you know, we don't have Carolyn or Jesse.
I'm excited for Suri, you know, I think it will be fun to see her work her magic.
But Sarit didn't take Carolyn's spot.
No, but I mean just the idea of there was a moment in time when it seemed like, you know, because of all some things that Jeff had said.
Yes. You know, I feel like there was a...
Y'all have erased this from your memories.
There was a moment in time where people were like, hey, it's sounding like it might only be three or four people from the new era in season 50.
No, but before that it was like, first there was a time when everyone thought it was going
to be all new era people.
And then we were like, Oh, wait a second.
I'm hearing Jeff said it will be people prior to some of the past.
And we thought it was going to be like mostly new era, but with like Rick and Angelina.
And then we were suddenly hearing about Suri and people reacted badly to that.
You guys don't remember this, but it happened. I swear it happened. This is not a Kazam moment.
Or what is it called where you like believe something was like Berenstein Bears?
The Mandela Effect?
Mandela Effect. This is not a Mandela Effect. This really happened where people were disappointed
about these four or five times players instead of like hoping that the season was just four or five time players.
Yeah. Okay. Well, Saree is back.
First, we will see Saree on Australia versus the world between now and then.
Yeah, I mean, it's a lot of Saree. But again, like this will be fun.
I think, you know, Saree is great. She's always great TV.
She always has a lot to bring to the season.
And I do think it will be fun to watch her play.
Okay. Alright.
Stephanie Ogrosikendrik, where are you on Stephanie?
I am pro Stephanie.
Okay.
I think it'll, like she's someone too, like who we have not seen for a very long time.
Right. A four-timer.
Big, big legend in the game, but I did not feel like Necessarily we saw like the full I felt like there's more
I mean, but that's like my argument with a lot of these people. It's like, okay
Well, like let's bring her back out for one one last ride like it's like the last fast and the furious movie
It's like alright, but coming coming back. We got for one more job
That's kind of like how I looked at survivor 50 of like okay
Let's bring back all of these like iconic figures for one last job
And so Stephanie we haven't seen her in 15 years on the show
I know people say oh well she just did the traders, but that I'm fine. She was
Hugely popular at one point in time, there was the most popular survivor contestant.
They built a whole season around her at the center of it. So as somebody who could come
back and still be physical, I didn't have a problem with Stephanie.
Yeah. What about Rupert?
I don't know what kind of shape Rupert's in.
Where do you draw the line though? You're like, I want Jerry, but not Rupert. Rupert's
a bigger character. Well, Jerry and Rupert are both okay but I'm telling you like I don't
know like what what what kind of physical condition Rupert is in like I'm
like I don't know if maybe they can is is he in Survivor playing shape these
days I don't know but like but like I mean you like, it's not that hard. Yeah. So, okay. You're upset, you didn't know Rupert?
No, I'm just saying, like, you're like,
I need to see Amanda, I need to see Stephanie.
Like, you just need to, or I need to see Jerry.
Is it just the cast of Heroes vs. Villains
running it back for you?
I guess, maybe you ran into too many Heroes vs. Villains.
That could be the case.
Yeah.
Okay.
Listen, if they did the full cast of Heroes vs. Villains
again, I would actually, that would be hard to. Yeah. Okay. Listen, if they did the full cast of Heroes versus Villains again, I would actually, that would be hard to object to.
Okay.
Except for Randy and Sugar that you already said.
No, I would love to see.
Yeah.
All right.
Colby Donaldson.
Yeah.
Colby, again, like if you've got these icons,
Colby is one of the show's icons and I am,
he posted a picture where he looked very strong. He looked very buff. Okay, I haven't seen any recent Colby is one of the show's icons, and I am, he posted a picture where he looked very strong.
He looked very buff.
Okay, I haven't seen any recent Colby photos,
but yeah, if Colby's in, I mean, again,
as somebody who's like, was a titan of the game
at one point in time, it was just the fact
that the last glimpse we got of Colby,
which was 15 years ago, was not necessarily like,
awe-inspiring of like, like yes more of that please.
How are you feeling that way about Amanda and Jerry when you don't feel that way about Colby?
Colby like was checked out. I don't know. I don't know how he gets more checked in.
He had Top Shot back then, you know Top Shot seemed like it was going to take off. Now he hasn't
worked on you know Top shot for a while.
OK. And then finally, all the way back to the beginning, Jenna Lewis.
I don't know if I've ever heard you talk about Jenna Lewis.
I don't really know Jenna Lewis that well.
I feel like she, you know, like I obviously watched the first season
and then I like dipped out for a while and then I came back and, you know, caught up.
But I never rewatched season one.
And so I don't have like a strong like I don't know Jenna Lewis in the way that I came back and caught up, but I never rewatched season one.
And so I don't have like a strong,
like I don't know Jenna Lewis in the way that a lot
of the fan fan base knows Jenna Lewis.
It feels like a deep connection with her.
What do you, you tell me about Jenna Lewis.
Jenna Lewis is she, I mean her story on Survivor Borneo.
And I think that she was sort of portrayed on Borneo
to be that she's this young single mom with two girls, two young
daughters and she's there and she's there to provide for her daughters and that is a
part of her.
But then on Survivor All-Stars, I think you saw probably a little bit more of the one who is like a little bit more of like a she does she did the eco challenge
she is a extremely like tough like New England person that I would not get into like a fist fight
with Jenna Lewis she is like a tough customer and I think that people might not be ready for her
if they think of her as sort of like that Borneo mom
who didn't get her videos, who was crying.
Like she is somebody who is ready to, you know,
win this game by any means necessary.
Yeah, but like, but she doesn't just have like
the hands-on experience to the game as it is now.
I mean, Survivor back then.
I have no idea if she's watched Survivor in 20 years.
I mean, it goes so fast.
Old Survivor was so slow.
It was just a totally different beast.
Yeah, and so maybe she's not gonna know the right way
to split the vote or what it means to have the shot
in the dark, but I think that she is going to be like playing hard.
Like I don't think that it's anything that she,
you know, can't necessarily keep up with.
Yeah, I really though, because I do feel like,
I mean with Survivor, we always say that like,
or anything really, right?
The best experience for doing anything
is just doing that thing.
And I really think that these people
who have played new era Survivor
are going to be better suited for the people, for new era Survivor. If it is a 26 day season, which it is, right?
I'm sure she studied to like watch.
Yeah, but you can't, like the speed of it, I think is where the new era people are going to really excel.
Yeah, we'll see.
Like just having to like make those decisions fast. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, we'll see. We got our Borneo representation. I would have preferred if it was Greg, if we could have gotten him. But there's Jenna Lewis. Okay. All right, Steven. There you go. There's 24 people. 24 people in 26 days.
Crazy. Yeah. Crazy like a fox. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Well, here he is. Sunshine Stephen. Lots of great takes.
I saw a lot of people agreeing with you today.
Only after I said how hurt I was that nobody was agreeing with me.
And they were like, you know what? Let's give him let's give him this.
Let's give him a little bit of positivity.
But also, like, truly, like I truly like when I saw this cast, I was like,
those aren't exactly the people I would choose.
You especially, you know, Carolyn and Sean.
I was very disappointed.
I was so excited for Sean.
Like Sean has just felt like such an oversight for so long.
Well, it just seemed like a tease
because a lot of these people,
like you heard their names for so long.
Yeah.
And like Sean, you know, probably heard his own name.
Like, can you imagine this poor guy?
He's been doing this for 25 years now.
He's been like being, you know, led along here.
Yeah, and then just maybe like had we heard heard like this is how it was going to be but it did feel like to get this
As the final cast as a little bit of a rug pull where there was so many
People that we had heard in the mix that people were getting excited for and then to suddenly get actually
We got these people who hadn't necessarily
been really rumored to be in the mix and then people that you weren't as excited
to see it feels like that we got something that was like looked one way
online when we ordered it and then when we got the thing and we opened it,
it was not like the picture that we saw on the website.
I do think some of the, like that was the problem,
was the hype building around some of these people
based on rumors and then that kind of like
the rug pull of that.
I agree with you that that was the issue,
but like where were those rumors from?
You know, I mean, that wasn't, you know, why, why,
you know, whose fault is that?
It's not, you know, it's not Matt Van Wagonen
wasn't out there tweeting about who he was looking at.
I guess so.
It's like, we never told you it was gonna be something
you would like.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But truly like looking at this cast, and again,
like I do think, you know, the five people,
obviously you have to cast Riz God.
He's the face of the show, but for anybody else, you know,
I think that you, you know, for some of these other,
for the, like some of the other people from this late,
this cast, like, yes, like I think, you know,
48 was a very unpopular season and then to just like be
these guys, you know, all of them, it feels like,
felt like a little bit much.
But I do think they probably cast it in groups.
And so I'm, I don't know, I'm cautiously optimistic.
I think it'll be a fun season.
Don't curse it with things like game changers.
That's mean.
Hey, Steven, you know what the secret to happiness is?
Low expectations.
That's right, that's right.
Oh my God, it's gonna be the greatest season of all time.
You know, like, look, I know everybody is gonna go out
and play hard.
It is not, I don't think I have complained too much
about the caliber of the players
in terms of like their game play ability.
And I hope that everybody is gonna go out there
and play hard and really go for it.
And hopefully we get a great season to watch.
You're just gutted that Jerry and Amanda aren't there.
I think it would have been fun.
As somebody who's like such a student of all of this like I think that there's so many
Storylines that we just don't get because we don't get to see I I love the idea of
So many people having like their last this is the final
They had that that was 20 that was 20 for them like that was you know
They got that like how many times do you get the last hurrah like how many?
Celebrations do there have to be that was the last hurrah? Like how many celebrations do there have to be?
That was the last hurrah.
Do we really need to like have, Jerry, oh, call me.
Like how many times do we need that same like bit?
Like you think it's gonna be any different this time?
They'll be more tired.
Well, instead, you know, we'll get to see
all of our favorites from the last two years come back.
All right, Steven, great job today though.
This was very fun.
So yeah, thank you for having me.
This was funny.
Truly, I think if we had done this podcast yesterday,
I would have been a very different Steven.
What happened?
What was the difference?
You had a Jolene coffee?
Yeah, well sort of. I was like, there was just so much, so much, at first I was like, yeah, what the difference? I just, I got like- Jolene coffee? Yeah, yeah. Well, sort of, like, I, you know,
I was like, there was just so much,
I was like, so much,
at first I was like, yeah, what the heck?
Kyle and Camilla and Joe from 48,
what the heck is up with that?
But then I was like, oh my gosh,
everybody's saying the exact same thing.
I've got to say something different.
Yeah, okay, well, that you did,
and look, we'll all be coming around,
by February of 2026,
we'll be so stoked for this whole thing to start.
Yeah.
Truly, truly, truly.
And I think 49 will be fun too,
because there's like no expectations for 49.
Everyone's, we're all excited to see the race God,
and then that's really it.
And then anything else will be the cherry on top.
Okay.
All right, so let me tell you about what's coming up.
But first, we've got, oh, it's Shane.
Where's Shane Powers on this cast?
Yeah, that would where is Shane power? I wonder if he was caught is Shane
They're not bringing back Shane is like up there with them not bringing back Sean. Okay. Here's Shane powers holding up is
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That's right, and Anthony Keatus, my God,
if Anthony Keatus is drinking it, I want it.
Shane takes coffee very seriously.
Yeah, I'm excited about this.
I really like, it seems like they put a lot of work and a lot of care into it
And it seems like I mean you've had it. Mm-hmm. All right
Survivor 25 greatest moments. I'm working on it with Mike Bloom
We will kick off the first episode part one of five 25 to 21 the 25 greatest moments in Survivor history
25 to 21, the 25 greatest moments in Survivor history announcement
that kicks off one week from yesterday,
on Wednesday the 4th, so be on the lookout for that.
And then Sunday night, Steven, over on our patron feed,
we are going to have the Survivor 50 draft.
We're not even waiting for the season to start.
Wow.
We're drafting.
That's amazing.
That's gonna be live. You're not even gonna know
Savannah or the Riz guy. You're not even gonna know how they play. You gotta do Riz got first though.
All right. Well, let's see what the drafters do live on Sunday night at 7 p.m. Do we have a
winner pick? Should we talk about who we think is? Yeah, sure. You want to do a... Sam told me I
needed to do a fishy and I think this is actually quite easy I've got to give the preseason fishy to Mike, you know his strategy of bringing back cast
Like he's been doing like next level pre-gaming for this like bringing back people from his cast who are his allies to appear on
HBO like that's unbelievable levels of strategic thinking and so easy pregame fishy for my quiet
Okay, wasn't prepared to do a winner pick today,
but I'll go with Suri.
Suri is actually a good choice.
I can see it finally happening in 50.
Who else?
I kind of feel like it'll be someone
from that like mid 30s group.
I'm not out on Rick Devin's winning.
But I think Serene, Mike White, Devin's.
Yeah.
I mean, Christian, I don't think Christian
is really a likely winner.
I think he is like too kind to,
I mean, Rick is also very kind,
but like Christian is so sweet and earnest.
Yeah, all right.
Let's see what happens.
And our survivor draft will be live
for the Patron Feed at 7 p.m. on Sunday night.
We'll put it in the main feed in February of-
Serena's a good choice.
Serena's a very good choice.
She really almost won the game changers
except for that advantage get in. Mm-hmm
She would have gotten away with it. It wasn't for that
Advantage get in. Yeah, okay. All right
Then we've got
Coming up after that Oh patron Q&A tomorrow. I'll be live taking your questions
I'm sure we will have many many questions about survivor 50 and beyond I will be live with the patrons
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Steven, blood on the clock tower.
We just dropped in brand new episode four.
It's a great one.
It is very fun.
Like the comments have suggested
people are very enthusiastic about this.
So strongly recommend it.
You can see some Survivor 50 players.
That's right.
There's a real Emily versus Christian vibe to this.
So if you want to see those two face off head to head,
like this is your opportunity to do it
if you don't want to have to wait a year for that.
Yeah, okay.
And then we've also got Stephen Fishback's amazing book,
Escape.
Yeah, thank you, Rob, for mentioning that.
Please, if you'd like to pre-order it,
it's like, please, please do that.
This is a great way to support me
and also to read a book that I'm really proud of.
I feel like I keep on being like, oh, please support me. Like, you know, this is, this
means so much to me, but also I really like this book. Like I worked really hard on it.
So I hope you like it. Yeah. If people screenshot their preorder to you and tell and then tell
you their favorite survivor 50 people, are you willing to then talk up their Survivor 50 pick?
Yeah, I'll give, I'll hype up.
If I get enough of one person, yeah, I'll,
for sure, I'll hype that person up.
You know, my opinions are fungible.
Like, you know, like I said, like yesterday,
I was more negative on the cast.
Today I'm more positive.
Yeah, okay.
All right, check out Stephen Fishback's book, Escape.
Yeah, Gary asked, are we trying to escape Stephen Fishback? That you know, actually you can go to
escapefishback.com. That's if you don't want to go to Stephenfishback.com. Escape Fishback,
where you will be inundated with more fishback. How ironic is that?
Okay. Wow. You can't escape fishback.
You cannot escape-
Even in the off season.
Yeah. Can I say something here about-
Yes.
So people are saying book tour. So I have been trying to plan some sort of like thing,
some sort of like series of going around the country
in the fall before the book comes out
to sort of help, you know, to viewing parties.
And I reached out to Wendell Holland,
who I've met like twice in my life.
And I was like, hey, like, I'd love just like some of your
like insight into how you got, you know,
plan the price of one events.
I'm not imagining anything of that caliber,
but like, you know, I'd love to do something to help, you know, plan the price, win events. I'm not imagining anything of that caliber, but like, you know, I'd love to I'd love to do something to help,
you know, promote the book and drive some sales and, you know,
also like it to like, you know, mingle with the folks. And when
it was so extremely, extremely helpful, you know, truly like
who I've like, you know, met twice, like, corresponded with
occasionally, you know, yeah, texting every so often, like he
was like, Yes, let me connect you with my contacts. Let me
like put you in touch with these like venues.
You know, such like a nice over the top,
like not over the top, like appropriate,
like kind, helpful person.
It really like, you know, it really touches you.
Like there's some people, you know,
who just like step up and we're there for you.
Even if like, you know, he doesn't, you know,
I'm like a one of 700 subscribers.
Yeah, he's a great guy.
What great guy went to Holland.
Okay.
Steven, great job by you here today.
And thank you so much everybody for joining us.
And we've got plenty more Survivor 50
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Take care everybody, have a good one.
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