RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor Know-It-Alls: Survivor 50 Cast

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

The Survivor 50 cast has been revealed and the Survivor Know-It-Alls, Rob Cesternino and Stephen Fishbach, are here to break down the cast!...

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Starting point is 00:00:35 are about to break it down like they've won the game a million times Well, actually they didn't really win the game at all Survival no way those Survival no way those Steven and Rock went out and down Yeah, that's right. We've got off season one off season survivor, knowing all time Rob Sestrino back here with Stephen Fishback. Stephen, how are you?
Starting point is 00:01:26 Oh my God, it's so weird to be thought out from my cryogenic deep freeze that I'm typically in between Survivor seasons. I know, well you haven't gone in yet. And so Stephen is here to talk with us about the just announced Survivor 50 cast that everybody's been talking about. We had such a great response to our show yesterday We just announced Survivor 50 cast that everybody's been talking about.
Starting point is 00:01:45 We had such a great response to our show yesterday and we are ready to hear Stephen's takes and talk about everything else that we've learned over the last 24 hours here with you live on Thursday on Survivor Know-It-Alls. And I'm very proud to say we have our first ever presenting sponsor for the Survivor Know-It-Alls and it is Jolene Coffee. And this is an incredible story. This is a coffee company founded by somebody who maybe some people feel like should be on the cast
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Starting point is 00:03:20 at JoleneCoffee.com. All right, Stephen, so much excitement and drama and really we've had, run the gamut of all of the emotions on Survivor. Everybody has come out and said people are upset. People are, some have people rejoice. How are you at this hour? Good. So Rob, I wanna say, want to come out against all the negative, not all the negativity, but like most of the negativity. You know, I saw the Survivor cast and I was like that's that's not my
Starting point is 00:03:55 my perfect cast. You know, I had people I would have liked in place of other people, yourself being one of them. You know, we can talk about that more in a second. For the record, I just want to say, and I know there's been so much hand ringing in the survivor community, like this is that me not being there is, has not been my complaint at all. Okay. But it's my complaint. It's not about you.
Starting point is 00:04:17 It's about me as a viewer and a friend and a fan, like a fan first of Rob Cesarino before I ever met you. I was a fan of Rob Cesarino. Um, and then met you. I was a fan of Rob Cessar Nino. Um And then I got to know you a little bit nice Yeah, but but you know, no, okay, let's start this I was gonna start with positivity But in fact now I've got to start with negativity because this subject has been raised. There is no player who has done More for the franchise. I believe then and at all than you I mean you could argue like Richard Hatch kind of like
Starting point is 00:04:45 defined the identity of the show. We're right there. Don't make this about me. You have never been indicted. Between the two of you. I appreciate it, I appreciate it. Don't make it event. Much appreciated, my friend.
Starting point is 00:04:56 And buy Stephen Fishback's book, Escape at StephenFishback.com. Don't try to redirect me. Don't try to like. You don't need to do this. Okay, but no, but it is sincere. And I did not intend to go down this rabbit hole immediately. Eventually, it was, you know, I gotta get props.
Starting point is 00:05:13 I know you've gotten a lot of props. A lot of people are saying that, but truly, it is kind of crazy. I've been touched, I really have. Yeah, it is kind of crazy that you, of all people, are not on the cast. I do think like, everyone wants to see you play again. It's been so long.
Starting point is 00:05:24 You did so, so, so badly your last time time out so humiliatingly badly. And we all wanted you're telling me yeah you're telling me to redeem yourself and like you know it would have been so fun to see you out there truly truly I'm bummed as a fan and as a friend. That was an oversight. That is that is an unforgivable oversight. However, I do feel like, so I did my like, you know, where did these come from? And I kind of, we'll talk about that. But I do feel like everybody is so mad at this season that it's like, how mostly there's a lot to love here. There's a lot to love. Everyone's got their favorites, you know, everyone's got their one that they're angry wasn't included. But like, I wanna push back on this whole idea of, well, what we're really mad about is Jeff told us
Starting point is 00:06:09 that this was going to be a celebration. And how can it be a celebration if there's nobody from the twenties? How can it be a celebration? First of all, we just had a survivor celebration. Season 40 was a celebration. That was a celebration. And it was kind of a middling to bad season, I believe.
Starting point is 00:06:26 So like, and I think part of the problem with that season was that it was too much of a celebration. There was too much of like champagne clinking on the beach and like, look at us, we're all so great. Like we got edge of extinction here so that nobody has to go home. We're all celebrating. Like I want no celebration.
Starting point is 00:06:41 I want like gritty, you know, face in the sand, mean fighting. I don't no celebration. I want like gritty, you know, face in the sand, mean fighting. I don't want celebration. I want like, you know, tough survivor. Do you feel like that we got a cast for mean, gritty, not a celebration, all fighting? You can't have it both ways. You can't say this is not enough of a celebration
Starting point is 00:07:00 and this is too much of a celebration. Well, I'm just saying that you're saying like, okay, well, like I'm glad with what we got because it's not a celebration. celebration. Well I'm just saying that you're saying like okay well like I'm glad with what we got because it's not a celebration. Yeah well I just think that this whole we just had a celebration fight how many celebrations do people need? Like what is a freaking celebration? It's a TV show about people backstabbing each other like what do we need?
Starting point is 00:07:16 What is the like you need cake? Like what's going on? So your issue is that you feel like I don't know where people got this idea it was going to be a celebration of all of Survivor. That's what you're pushing back against? Well, so I feel like that is kind of the, that has been sort of like the excuse almost. And you know, this is,
Starting point is 00:07:36 I'm not only like responding to Kelly Wentworth who didn't mention this, but she was like one of many. So it's not just about Kelly because, again, like everyone's got their opinion. This is just my opinion. I feel like, you know, a Kelly because, and then again, like everyone's got their opinion. This is just my opinion. I feel like, you know, a month ago, two months ago, people were complaining that there was not enough new era cast.
Starting point is 00:07:52 It was, oh my gosh, we're seeing these same people we've seen over and over again. Do we really need to see these four time players? Like, I'm so sick of it. Let's do something new for season 50. Now that we're getting a lot of the new era players people are Like oh my gosh, where are the four-time players? How come we don't have Malcolm out there, you know
Starting point is 00:08:10 Like it's like no matter what they do people are gonna be like we were promised the other thing You know and and likely I got complaints. I do have complaints. I don't want this to be like full, you know full Sucking kneecaps, but I do think that, you know, like it's a little overdone, you know, and this was, you know, it's a good season. It's gonna be good. I think like every single one of these people, I think is going to be exciting on like some
Starting point is 00:08:35 for their merits. And it's like a mix of like these like legends of the game, like Saree with these like scrappy new players, like Camilla and and Emily with like you know the the macho bros you know with you know you've got um Jonathan and Joe and then you've got like the super strategists like Charlie and it's just like it is a really interesting mix of different archetypes they do span most of the the you know the span of the scope of the show,
Starting point is 00:09:05 starting with, you know, season one, Jenna Lewis. I overall think it's kind of a good cast. Like there did seem to be sort of, yes, I'm like, there's people who I would have really liked to see out there. I would have loved to see Caroline. I don't know why Caroline wasn't cast. I would have loved to see Omar. And like the last, like, obviously like everyone was mad
Starting point is 00:09:20 about 48 and so like them coming in and saying, it kind of feels like an afterthought. These three people, you know, like, it's like, we don't have enough new era players, who should we cast? These three are right there. So it just did feel like a little bit, but I was, I'm overall kind of like positive on this group of people. Okay. And look, I think in a vacuum,
Starting point is 00:09:41 all the people I think are worthy of getting another chance to play. You bring up a good point. And I think that a vacuum all the people I think are worthy of getting another chance to play. You bring up a good point and I think that this is a question that maybe we might even get answered in the chat. Did Jeff ever say that this season was a celebration of all of Survivor history? Or I think he like he did say at some point like we want this season to feel like a celebration. I think that word was used. I don't know, all of Survivor history, it's an impossible bar.
Starting point is 00:10:10 People are saying it's neither a new era of All-Stars nor is it all the legends, but it's some. It's a little bit of both. To me, I just feel like it's giving Game Changers a little bit where, and especially in that like, and you got Suri and Ozzy and Aubrey, but you had like, it was a very top heavy season. And then there was also, and the rest of the cast
Starting point is 00:10:34 that we filled in with a bunch of random, here's Haley Ford, here's Beast Mode Cowboy that are back for this season. But I just, because I don't feel like you have the Haley Ford or the Beast Mode Cowboy or the Game Changers here, Don Thomas here. You know, like I think every one of these people was exciting on their seasons in a way that,
Starting point is 00:10:54 I mean, like, again, like anytime you make a judgment about anybody, you're gonna be like, how dare you say that thing about Haley? But, you know, those got, those players were all, in my mind, like less, they were not the ones who defined their seasons. I mean, I think if you look at this group of players, every single one of them played hard and aggressively in some capacity on their seasons. Okay.
Starting point is 00:11:16 To me, I feel like this season, we have not had a returning player season in six years at this point. And I think that probably a miscalculation to not have done one. So now we're sort of like trying to jam two different returning player seasons into one. But the one that people were really excited about was the one where we were going to get to for the last time, get to see so many of the people that defined the show.
Starting point is 00:11:49 And we got that in something, I haven't complained about the four timers that are in the cast, because I think it is cool that we will get to see Suri and Coach and, you know, even Ozzy, that's not the stuff that bothers me it's the stuff about not getting to see people that are maybe this was their last chance that we were ever going to get them back on the show whereas these new era all-stars they were not going anywhere you know if if survivor 54 was
Starting point is 00:12:22 going to be new era second chance that all these people Could have waited two years to be able to do it We're never going to at least unless there's like hey survivor 60 is going to be the legend season and now you know here comes all these people that are getting now Really long in the tooth. I don't know if that is even in the offing who knows where survivor is by survivor 60 or whatever magic number 65 we're gonna retire all these people so I Feel like that this was the this was the literal 50 golden opportunity To have done that with these you know the the real like the Hall of Famers and have them come back out one more time the new era people
Starting point is 00:13:07 They could have done it for 52. You could have done it for 54. Where were they going? Going anywhere Kyle. I would love to have had a year off and come back and play but who are you talking? I mean, so I agree with you Like I would have loved to see someone like Sean Rector come back, right? Like I'm that's the one that bumps me right? I would have loved to see someone like Sean Rector come back, right? That's the one that bums me out. Yes, I would have loved to see some of these big characters from the show's past that didn't get to play again.
Starting point is 00:13:32 I would love to see Sean Rector coming back. I'm very excited to see Coach play for a fourth time. Fourth time, you know, it's been 27 seasons since Coach played last time. I am excited to see what Coach brings to the table now. I am actually not that excited to see what Suri and Ozzie bring to the table. I mean, I am like number one Suri fan, obviously not.
Starting point is 00:13:57 People are gonna dispute that because I'm about to say she shouldn't have been on this season. Yeah. But like we've seen Suri work her magic so many times. Like, I want to see like new things happen. I would love to see some of those like classic players. I mean, Suri is going to be on, you know,
Starting point is 00:14:13 survivor Australia versus the world this summer, you know? And like same with Ozzy. We've seen him so many times. Is he bringing something new that we have not seen before from Ozzy? Like that is, I would be very happy with Sean Rector. I would love that. And again, like Coach, I think he's great. But I, and I just don't think like, and again, like I'm with you, like Kyle, Camilla and Joe, all from the
Starting point is 00:14:38 last season, but like literally every single All-Star season, they is heavily weighted towards the recent casts. Like that's just a reality, you know? Like they're all that way. Like, I mean, I tweeted this, you know, Cambodia was like nine people from the previous three seasons. Like, you know, heroes, villains, like also like heavily weighted for the previous seasons.
Starting point is 00:14:57 You know, you had freaking Randy and Sugar on that season cause they were recent. Like no one's ever casting Randy and Sugar again. You know, we had like, I mean like, you know. That is a fair point, that this is something that they have done in a best, but it's not like, hey, this is what we do on Survivor. This is a part of the show that we always bring back a ton of people from, just because they've done it
Starting point is 00:15:21 in the past doesn't mean that they had to do it for this particular season And I think that's just like the demand. Oh, sorry good well and also like And you bring up sari and you bring up Ozzy But I don't think anybody is saying that that's the problem with the cast like why is sari here? Why is Ozzy here? I think that the issue that so many people like myself have is just that there's so many of the new people and that we missed out on the Sean
Starting point is 00:15:48 Rectors of the world because that we got in all these people who have only played in the last year or two including people that have not even played yet they haven't even seen them well but of course they're going to do someone from 49 to lead into 50. Like that, like to think that they wouldn't cast two people from 49 leading into 50 is, I feel like that's just like, you know, the only time that they didn't do that was with Samoa and to hear his villains. And that was just because they only had like one that they like, you know, like it's, I guess like 25 into 26, you only had Malcolm from 25. Right?
Starting point is 00:16:21 Like, yeah. Bring back Tommy Sheehan for winners at war. Wait, well, okay. Okay. That's fair. That's fair. Um, but yeah, that's fair. Who did you had Nick? You had Nick Wilson? Um, yeah, that's, you know, well, I guess well, they did not that worked out great. No, I'm just saying there's like, go back to the well on that one. You know, it's like, I have people like come up to me and like, you know, I'm the biggest Survivor fan in the whole world. I loved it when Sarah won Pearl Islands. Like,
Starting point is 00:16:49 no, what? Like, no, like, you know, there's this crazy, like recency bias and like the, and like the vast, like the vast viewers, you've got to like, you know, tease them with the people they just saw. No doubt. No doubt. That, but do you think that like the average survivor viewer is like so excited like hey that's the big season 50 that they've been talking about they announced season 50 during survivor 46 everybody is so excited about this everybody just like a super pumped like the average survivor fan on the street that okay oh great who are they bringing? And I'm sure they're excited about some of the names that we're talking about.
Starting point is 00:17:28 But when we go through the list, and it's so many people from the new era, and not all of them necessarily were slam dunk people that you have to have them back, it feels like, oh, but where's this person? Where was this person? Yeah, no, look, and overall, like when I first saw the cast, I thought this, you know, but now everything,
Starting point is 00:17:50 the negativity has gotten so much that I felt like I needed to disagree with that. I can see what you're saying, the hate has gone too far, there are things to like. Yes, like, and like overall, this was not my ideal cast. Like when I think of the new era people who I would like to see back, like this is not them for the most part. You know, I mean, yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:07 I mean, truly like, you know, I was so, the fact that they didn't cast Omar is astounding to me. You know, he was such a great character. He gives great confessionals. He's like strategic and chaotic. Like to me, Omar is like a perfect character. Like why on earth would you not cast Omar? Same with Carolyn.
Starting point is 00:18:21 She cast him in some blood on the clock tower videos. Yeah, exactly. Go now to, so, but like, and Carolyn too. Like I literally thought that Carolyn was a hundred percent locked for this season. I mean, so did every single person in the world. Yes. The fact that she is not on the season is legitimately shocking to me.
Starting point is 00:18:40 And then, you know, to your point, you know, it is like, I mean, I don't know, but they- There's 12 people from the new era. Yeah. Carolyn did not make the cut. Jesse did not make the cut. Right. Um, I, I see Jesse more than Omar, to be honest with you. Like I loved Jesse as a character, but like in terms of like, you know, yeah, I mean, I, I, but like, whatever, like both of them, I would have loved to have on this cast. Um, and then you look at, you know, the old person from 41 to 44 is John. That seems like a crazy oversight. And you're like, but like this, I don't know,
Starting point is 00:19:09 there's no one from the 20s. How could they do that? Who from the 20s are we so sad? I mean, Malcolm, like again, like Malcolm's played a lot. Like, do we need to see Malcolm again? Happy Maria Steven, come on. Same thing, like do you need to see Abby do this? We needed it! We needed it! No, you're a pandering. She's coming. We need her on this podcast. This is not cutting to the bone. This is, Abby just being like,
Starting point is 00:19:31 oh, you messed with me, you're dead. Like, we don't need people coming back and like doing their like greatest hits. You know, I want to see something new. That's what we need. We need greatest hits. Oh my gosh. Bryce, actually someone in the chat is saying Bryce.
Starting point is 00:19:44 That is actually an oversight. I think Bryce would have been an amazing addition. Would have been very fun. Yes. Oh my gosh. Bryce, actually someone in the chat is saying Bryce. That is actually an oversight. I think Bryce would have been an amazing addition. Would have been very fun. Yes. That is a big miss. All right, let's go through everybody here and then we can get into a little bit more details
Starting point is 00:20:00 on everything. And so yesterday, Mike Bloom and I, if you missed it, we went through it, we played Jeff's introduction to everybody. What did you do? Did you get up early to watch the thing at 8.30 or just check it out now? Yeah, yeah, I watched it afterwards. Okay, all right.
Starting point is 00:20:13 Man, the chat is very anti-me. I knew coming on here and being like, coming out with positivity, it's just that negativity is too much. Yeah. It's not my perfect cast. We'll take questions from the chat later. Stay with me.
Starting point is 00:20:25 But I know, but you know, like I do feel, now I'm like, you know, it's like, I got a book to promote. I don't want to like piss people off. No, look, if you want to complain, you have to buy Steven's book. Go to stevenfishback.com. That's the rule, okay?
Starting point is 00:20:37 All right, here we go. Steven, let's talk about our group of players. We have two from Survivor 49. I mean, you addressed this, that it's basically, this is a Survivor staple to have done it that way. Yeah, I'm not surprised. I would be more shocked if they didn't have anyone from 49 leading into the new season.
Starting point is 00:21:01 And especially, I think we all know Rizgad is gonna be like the new defining face of the franchise. Yeah. Yeah. Don't you think? I mean, he's called Rizgod and he talks about himself as the Rizgod. Like what else is there?
Starting point is 00:21:14 I feel like if he just says that in every confessional I'm in. Yeah. All right. Well, that's hilarious to hear you even say the word. So I mean, what else do you- Can you believe that for the next two seasons, we're going to have to be talking about someone called the Riz God?
Starting point is 00:21:27 Like what the heck? I know, all right, let's go to then, all right, survivor 48 people, okay? Here he is, let's bring in Joseph. Yeah, there was no way Joe was not, well actually I said that they should not cast Joe. You, you called Joe being on 50. You, you, you brought that into, you manifested that.
Starting point is 00:21:49 Yeah, I feel like of the 48 people, I think that Joe is the person that I can see the most, where Joe, that he just like had this moment that really transcended the game. Everybody, he really, I think, was a figure that transcended Survivor. So I say, I think, was a figure that transcended Survivor. So I say I was not surprised by Joe. It is what it is. I just don't think that Joe,
Starting point is 00:22:11 Joe's the type of player that on a returning player season, like a Rupert, there's one gear to Joe. Like Joe's gonna come into the new season and be Joe again, especially with zero distance in between this and the last time he played. So I think that Survivor is fine with that of like, oh, like we love Joe just as he is. He doesn't need to have a different layer in the game, but to see Joe win this season would be wild. Joe is the person I think is honestly
Starting point is 00:22:38 one of the least likely people to win this season right now. I mean, I am slightly surprised that they brought him back. I really felt like we got like as much, and I hear you, like he's extremely popular right now. Probably a lot of casual fans are really excited to see him. But I watched his interviews with Mew and Mike. Joe is not, does not give the pithy sound bite. He is very, like, he is not a good confessional giver,
Starting point is 00:23:03 as you can just tell from his interviews and the fact that he was Like hugely under edited on the show and I don't think that he's going to bring another strategic layer based on what we've seen I feel like we saw like Joe in his pure form in 48 and I don't think like to me Joe is actually kind of a miss here because I get why they had to do it but like Why not any like it's such a competitive spot. Like there's so many other people I would like to see there.
Starting point is 00:23:27 Joe and Eva should have been on the Amazing Race. I think that they really missed the boat with that. I think that Joe without Eva, I think that Joe was like a protector. He's somebody like, I don't think that any of these people that are going to be on this season need protecting. They don't, they aren't like looking for a father figure, like an older brother to protect them in the game. I think that all of these people are going to be like fiercely like independent and not in need
Starting point is 00:23:54 of a Joe protector type. Do you think he's gonna be like really aggressively seeking out someone to protect? Do you think he is gonna like try to protect Emily Flippen? That's my dream partnership. Yeah, yep. But she'll play to that. I mean, as we saw with Caleb, she will play to that. Do you think he is gonna like try to protect Emily flippin? That's that's my dream partnership. Yeah. Yeah, I Played she'll play to that. I mean as we saw with Caleb, she will play to that. Mm-hmm. Oh my god, Joe I don't know what I'm doing like, yeah, I'm so distressed like
Starting point is 00:24:12 Emily trust me. I got you. I got you in this game Emily flippin Yeah, I see Joe as like looking to bro down just like he did in 48 You know, he's gonna be looking at Jonathan's, the coaches, obviously he's got Kyle there. I think that, I mean, I can imagine like a, obviously Colby, that is like, that's what production wants to happen, right? I remember JT in Here's Versus Villains was like,
Starting point is 00:24:40 when JT teamed up with Colby and Tom, they were like salivating, he said. So I think that's probably what they want to happen. Do you think it's gonna be old school versus new school? You think they're gonna do two tribes? You think they'll do three tribes of eight? I bet they have to mix it because the 40 was such like an old school apocalypse.
Starting point is 00:24:58 I think they've got to mix it up a little bit. I feel like that I could see them doing, like starting with two groups of 12 and then very quickly, like almost like in game changers, maybe after two votes go to three tribes of or maybe you know three tribes of Seven and send somebody to like Redemption Island or whatever But they love three tribes
Starting point is 00:25:19 I think they're gonna start with three and then you know two tribes going to try the rumor is right like to try I don't know where that rumor came from People Like two tribes going to travel council every week. I think that people are just saying like, what, there's 12 people from the old school and 12 people from the new school. I don't know if it's necessarily like a rumor. Oh no, but I mean that the structure will be both tribes going to travel council every week.
Starting point is 00:25:37 Like three tribes. I think that what's happening is that people are doing math. They're napping and counting. There are 24 people in 26 days. So how do you make the math work? I wouldn't say it's a rumor. Yeah, there's just a lot of,
Starting point is 00:25:48 that's gotta be a lot of content, I gotta say. Yeah. Yeah. But for some of these people, you know, you come back and it's like, you are like, you go out in like one of two tribal councils, like in an episode, like I feel like it could potentially be like, okay, you blink and you're gone off the show.
Starting point is 00:26:06 Yeah, that's it. And that's why when we get to Kyle, I'm gonna say this thing. Well, let's say it now. Hey, Kyle, I feel bad for Kyle. Kyle has just one survivor. What an accomplishment. He should be going to parties, being cock of the walk.
Starting point is 00:26:24 Do people say that, cock of the walk. Did people say that cock of the walk? You know, king of the mountain? Yeah. Yeah. And instead he's going to go back on survivor and like, let this not be true, touch wood. He's going to be like 12th place on survivor 50. You know?
Starting point is 00:26:38 If he's lucky. If he's lucky, yes. That's kind of like, that's doing better than half the field, you know, to go from being the winner and not even getting a chance to enjoy that. The likelihood that he wins again, very slim. And so then to suddenly come back and do middling
Starting point is 00:26:56 and just be filled with regret, that kind of sucks. Like he didn't get his moment. Why couldn't we have left two weeks ago? Yeah, exactly. Steven, this was the one that I complained about the most on Wednesday. I said this was my biggest problem in the whole cast was Kyle, who is a great guy. This is not an anti-Kyle the person take,
Starting point is 00:27:13 but I felt like to have three people from Survivor 48 and to bring back a winner, bring back somebody, to bring back his secret number one and his public number one, what are we even doing? What is the upside here for Kyle? It feels like a wasted spot to me. Yeah, I kind of agree.
Starting point is 00:27:33 I mean, maybe they're thinking that all of these old schoolers have so many connections to each other. You look at that chain with like Suri and Ozzy who have played together so many times, but the old schoolers are gonna need every advantage they've got. I mean, I do think Saree will probably do well because she always does well.
Starting point is 00:27:49 But I do think, I agree with you. This was like my biggest complaint too, was like these three just being like lifted up, basically from the seats at the final four and like placed. And it really felt, it did feel like an afterthought of, we need some new school players. There they are. So like, I, this, especially when there's so many
Starting point is 00:28:08 new school players who we do feel like deserving and we have wanted to see, I do think this was a miss. Okay. But I'm excited. I think he'll be fun. And Camilla. Yeah, and Camilla. Camilla actually, I'm like more excited for it than Kyle.
Starting point is 00:28:20 Like so much of what we've said over the past, over the whole past season was how much better Camilla would do in a different season that wasn't all about like the strong bros being, you know, honor and integrity. I think it will be really fun to watch Camilla play in this season. That said, like if I had to choose
Starting point is 00:28:39 between Camilla and Carolyn, you know, I probably would go Carolyn. Of the three of them, I think Camilla is the person that has the chance to potentially really play a very fun, exciting, chaotic game and bring a lot to the season. So, I just think that Camilla, based off of what we saw in Survivor 48,
Starting point is 00:29:02 where, I'm a huge Camilla fan. If we were gonna say, who were the biggest characters in Survivor 48? If you were looking at the poster for Survivor 48, and it was a movie, what billing on the poster would Camilla be? Yeah. No, I mean, she's like-
Starting point is 00:29:24 Would she be the fifth lead, the sixth lead? Right, so we've got like, you've got like- Starring Joe Hunter. Joe Hunter. Are you Joe? Kyle, Kyle, whatever. Like Eva, Eva, whatever. Right, and then, so Camilla's probably four.
Starting point is 00:29:41 Yeah, David, David and Camilla, also featuring David and Camilla. Yeah, but here's what I like about Camilla, and I, uh. Yeah. David, David and Camilla, also featuring David and Camilla. Yeah, but here's what I like about Camilla. And I, cause I agree with you, but I think what Camilla brings is like a different type of play style. And what I see in this cast is a lot of different play styles that they've cast.
Starting point is 00:29:55 Like if you cast Carolyn here, like, and who I, again, like things should have been cast. Like, you know, Camilla's kind of like the scrappy underdog schemer type. You know, there aren't actually a lot of those in this group. You know, I know that New Era Survivor is all scrappy underdog schemers,
Starting point is 00:30:10 but like there aren't too many of those looking at this, you know, you got maybe like Aubrey is that archetype, like Emily a little bit, but not, you know, even who else? Who else is that? Like maybe Charlie, I guess, even who else? Who else is that? Like maybe Charlie, I guess. Like, but who else? Yeah, I feel like as, if we're looking for to replace her
Starting point is 00:30:30 with another woman from the new era, like I think that you, I mean, I don't know if you want it like Rachel in that spot, but it's like, to me, it's just like, this is not, if we it's just like, this is not, if we're talking about like, the Survivor, this is Survivor 50, this is Survivor 50. Like Camilla, Camilla had a nice run in Survivor 48.
Starting point is 00:30:56 Yeah, yeah. It's definitely, okay, yes. It's definitely gonna be the one of the ones where you are like, you're looking back and are like, how did that happen? Or, you know, she's gonna win. Yeah. Look, this is not anything about,
Starting point is 00:31:10 like I think she could be, I actually, I think that there's a chance she ends up being a very early boot where they break up Kyle and Camilla and they choose to keep the challenge strength in Kyle. And I do think that that could be a very, I think Kyle should fall on his sword because he owes one to Camilla if that's gonna happen.
Starting point is 00:31:27 But that being said, I would love to see her do well in the game because I think she is a very fun player to watch, but I just think that this was Survivor 50. Yeah, I mean, yes, but again, like looking at the group of play styles, it's just like, I think it's gonna be really fun. I think it's gonna be a really fun season. I don't wanna be toxically optimistic here, but yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:50 All right, we have Jenna. You're gonna all regret chat. You're gonna regret, you know. All this is being recorded. So when they do well and these people become like, and the same people that are booing you are standing. Queen Camilla, greatest player of all time. Nobody's gonna care. They're gonna be like, oh, you people that are booing you are stanning Queen Camilla, greatest player of all time.
Starting point is 00:32:06 Nobody's going to care. They're going to be like, oh, you were wrong then for reasons, you know, you're wrong now for other reasons. People complain. That's what social media is for these days. I really felt like that Genevieve did seem like a lock for an all-star after she played. It'll be interesting to see what Genevieve is going to be able to do here. I look, I guess we're going to if we're going to have the new new era people, we could do worse than Genevieve, who I think will be very, very fun to watch play.
Starting point is 00:32:36 I think she might have a hard time finding her footing. Genevieve, I think, is agreed. Like this is one of the ones I think everyone sort of agrees is a great choice from the new era. She was a super fun contestant. She's got great energy, a lot of positivity. Like when you're bringing back people from this group, Genevieve's, and you know, she was strategic. She played well, you know, she was like a joy to watch. Like, nobody is complaining about,
Starting point is 00:33:01 about, oh, there probably are people, but like I'm not, nobody I know is complaining. I think people are complaining like, oh, there's so too many people from the new era that you need Genevieve right away. But Steven, I compared her yesterday to, I thought she might have a run like Kim Spradlin in Winners at War where everybody's kind of afraid
Starting point is 00:33:15 to get close to her. And then she like ends up going out around like eighth place, but never really finding her people. Yeah, I don't know though because she's so charming. You know, like she's just got, like, and she's very, very smart. She's played clock tower with her. She's like an absolute natural at clock tower.
Starting point is 00:33:33 And that's, that's, that's the bar. That's the standard, but I don't know, but I don't think she's passed. But I don't think she is, in some ways, those, those disadvantages could be advantages for her where she is well liked, but she doesn't feel like, oh gosh, we've got to get rid of her. She's not like Camilla who we just had saying
Starting point is 00:33:49 about how she loved to lie to people and throw them under the bus. Genevieve seems just like a nice Canadian lady. And she's not someone like, oh, we gotta get rid of those devious old schoolers because they're all connected or they gotta get rid of those 48ers. There's no reason out of the gate to target Genevieve.
Starting point is 00:34:05 Okay. We got Charlie. Oh, like the, should we talk about like the people who are not here? Like are we surprised that Andy is not here from 47? Yeah, I was very surprised to not have Andy here. I feel like that Andy coming out of his season, I feel like the Operation Italy, he played so hard, he had such a story arc. I mean, I feel like that there's not a lot of people on the show where that they love that they have an arc of like where they started to where they went,
Starting point is 00:34:40 but then also to have the mind to make a big move. And in Andy, I felt like that you really had a perfect person in that. So I do feel like that it was an oversight not to have Andy. Yeah, I honestly like even just doing a one-to-one, I actually think Andy would be a better cast here than Charlie, Charlie whom I loved and do want to see back
Starting point is 00:35:01 and think should come back in a new era season. But well, first of all, there's just something a little on the nose. Like if I had to choose like one, you know, spiky haired white guy to be on the new, this season, it's you, Rob, it's you. If there's- We're not even the same archetype.
Starting point is 00:35:19 You're both spiky haired and you've been working on your grip strength. That's true. Yeah. I get that, yeah. So, you know, you both have sort of floral shirts. Yeah, I am worried about Charlie. I think that he is seen as probably a big threat.
Starting point is 00:35:33 And so I think that Charlie is a super nice guy. I hope he does well. I would have rather seen him on a new era All-Stars than a Survivor 50 spot, but can't complain too much about Charlie. Yeah, yeah. I mean, a good player, a good player, yes. But again, like this is where it gets,
Starting point is 00:35:51 and this is like the big trio of 46ers. You know, you start to wonder why did we not have Shan? You know, like, or more why did we not have Omar? So, okay, so Tiffany is next. Okay, here's Tiffany. I'll ask you the same question. Okay, Survivor 46 poster. of Omer. So Tiffany is next up. Here's Tiffany. I'll ask you the same question. Survivor 46 poster.
Starting point is 00:36:08 The movie of Survivor 46. In what order is Tiffany Nicole Ervin billed on the Survivor 46 poster? Yeah. I mean, fifth, we got, who's up there? It's like Kenzie Q Q, Q, starring Q. So Q is the top billing, okay? Then you've got like Kenzie, Charlie and Maria.
Starting point is 00:36:32 Yeah, people get mad when I say Maria. You can't even say Maria's name. You can't even say Maria? You start to frown. I don't know, I said Maria, you started frowning. I don't care. I thought Maria did great. Yeah, the, yeah, no, I agree with you,
Starting point is 00:36:44 but I also think this is someone who would come back in a new era of All-Stars and would be a very fun cast for that. I think my winner pick in a new era of All-Stars, I just don't know why we had to rush to, you know, and I really like Tiffany, I had a great podcast with her, but she wasn't going anywhere. Like you could, if you waited two years and brought her back for a new era All-Stars,
Starting point is 00:37:06 I would be championing it. But when- I think some of it with some of these groups is like they want groups to bounce off each other, right? Like you want people out there who have history. So you get Tiffany and Q on it together. Like are they on a tribe together? Are they opposing each other?
Starting point is 00:37:25 Are people worried about what happens when they come back to the merge? It's the same thing with that three from 48. Like having people grouped together who have history adds a whole nother layer of tension. So you know you're bringing Q back, right? So who are we bringing back with Q? And then it's like, is it,
Starting point is 00:37:41 Tiffany is like a really good choice for that. This is a fair point. And I actually made this same point to a friend of mine who said, are we worried Q won't have people to fight with on the show? But I think, oh my gosh, you got me last time, Q. You're not gonna do it again, but you're the only person I know out here.
Starting point is 00:38:01 That's a fun dynamic. I mean, in Cambodia, it was Spencer and Cass, you know, like you want to see those pairs. And I think just like that adds a lot to the fun of these returning player seasons. If it's just like random guy, you know, I guess Jonathan, it's like, and Jonathan like his shtick isn't even like his alliances. His shtick is just being like big and strong.
Starting point is 00:38:21 Like Jonathan's gonna do his thing. But like, it's almost like casting, you don't wanna cast Omar almost without Mary Anne. They gotta bring those two back together. And I think that's probably part of this. They're bringing Q back, so they gotta bring back someone for him to bounce off of. Okay, all right.
Starting point is 00:38:38 Then there's Q. No complaints here. Universally 100% approval rating for Q. Anything else you wanna say about Q? No, he was the number one person from New Era that I thought would be brought back. Him and Carolyn were top two, so I was wrong, 50%. But Q felt like the biggest lot.
Starting point is 00:38:56 I mean, Gabe asked the question, Gabe said in the opening of Survivor 47 or in the tease for Survivor 47, I'm gonna be on the New Era of Mount Rushmore. And so we in the tease for survivor 47, I'm going to be on the new era of Mount Rushmore. And so we said, ask the question at the time, well, who is on the new era of Mount Rushmore? And I think for me, I said, okay, well we have Q Carolyn, Jesse, and then I think the fourth spot is maybe up for debate. But now I think that the entire Mount Rushmore now needs to be.
Starting point is 00:39:29 Yeah. Yeah. Open it up. Who is it now? Kyle and Joe and Camilla. Do you think they cast Aubrey because Q is going to be there? I don't think so. I mean, we'll get to Aubrey when we get there, but I think that that is just like a, you know, a little like coincidence. I don't think that it was like Q is like ranting about Aubrey when he's like meeting with the producers. Yeah, but you know they've got that clip ready.
Starting point is 00:40:02 They're like playing a clip, playing a clip, you know, they're ready with the- That'll be, it will be in an episode for sure, but we'll see know, they've got that clip ready. They're like playing a clip, playing a clip, you know, they're ready with the- That'll be, it will be in an episode for sure. Yeah. But we'll see. Okay. All right. And then Emily Flippin is here. Amazing. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:12 The only person from 45, oh, sorry, that's not true at all, these here. One of the few people from 45. Emily is great. I'm really, really, really excited to see Emily play. Emily does this thing in Clock Tower that I think, and that we saw her doing it. I didn't realize it at the time,
Starting point is 00:40:31 but she did it in 45, where she's like, I don't know what's happening. I'm just a dodo. I don't know anything. What's going on? I'm so confused. I don't know anything. I think people will buy it.
Starting point is 00:40:41 Like she is so effing smart. I'm so nervous. Oh my God, why am I here? And yet she plays it down so well I think people will buy it. Like she is so effing smart. She's so strategic. I'm so nervous. Oh my God, why am I here? And yet she plays it down so well that even like literally, watch our latest Clocktower episode, plug watch our latest Clocktower episode.
Starting point is 00:40:53 Like you buy it, like even knowing she's doing it. I don't buy it. You still get misted by it. She is so good at that act that, you can see the tokens, Rob. You've got an unfair advantage. And then she's so strategic. I did a panel with her at Clock Tower Con
Starting point is 00:41:11 and we were talking about like, is there any morality when you go out and play these shows? And of course, I being a sad artist, like a soft, you know, it's not sad, but a soft, you know. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. That actually is a sort of classic for you it's like you know a soft-hearted like middle-aged dad i was like of course you've got like take people's feelings into account and while
Starting point is 00:41:32 you do have to make tough decisions like you have to i do think you need to personally reckon with it and she's like no you cut throats screw them all you know you know death to those around me i think emily is going to go in with like severely underestimated and I think she's going to like wreak a trail of destruction. Oh you think severely underestimated? Yeah because like people people don't remember Emily necessarily as like she she voted out Bruce you know nobody thinks of Emily as you know some like huge player and I think people don't you know they remember her like being somewhat like obstreperous in the opening and they remember her like you know
Starting point is 00:42:04 eventually finding her way and then having like a growth moment deciding she wanted to get married. But like nobody thinks of her like, oh, that, you know, that's the cutthroat person. Yeah, well, I think that she is going to be very closely connected to the next person in the slideshow here. Another person that I feel like great winner, but when you brought in two winners,
Starting point is 00:42:31 I really just feel like you completely just lost the plot where it was no winners, it was no winners. Why did we bring in winners at the last second? But this is what I'm talking about. And if so, then where are some of these other winners? I feel like there would have been a lot of other winners we would have had, right? Yeah, I mean, I hear you that that,
Starting point is 00:42:56 it makes it feel kind of random. Like, why do you not have some of like, why do you not have Tony, or Sandra? Yeah, you'd be Sandra. I mean, who would be the winners? Why don't you have Earl? Rizkod will be there. Where's Earl? Yeah, Earl actually would be a good one.
Starting point is 00:43:11 Earl actually would be a really good one. But, you know, maybe we do have three winners. Like maybe it's one winner per tribe. Perhaps, yeah, maybe. I just like- Jam Jam, someone has come, you know, Cryoza. Jam Jam is one of like my big oversights too. I think Jam Jam is like not having Jam Jam is a big miss.
Starting point is 00:43:31 I feel like Jam Jam was such a fun, big character, a great player. He was like just like a joy to watch, joy to watch him play. I feel like he would be like perfect for this like whole idea of it being a celebration, you know, for like for them looking for like players who were like positive and enthusiastic.
Starting point is 00:43:49 I feel like Jam Jam, like not being here is a miss. That of course has nothing to do with D. D who's like arguably one of the best players of the new era. And then most people say like, if there's a best player in the new era, like D is up there, right? People are saying D is probably one of the,
Starting point is 00:44:03 the one or two of the best. So why wouldn't you bring back one or two, that person? Yeah, so I don't know. I don't know what else I could say about this. Is D gonna do good? Is she gonna do well? I think it really comes down to what the tribe breakdown is because I could see there being some sort of
Starting point is 00:44:24 anti-winner sentiment. But I think that if it ends up being all new versus old, then I kind of feel like the D and Kyle are going to need to work together and have each other's back. And I wonder maybe if this could be more bad news for Camilla where where that, okay, so we gotta break up Kyle and Camilla somehow. And also then it's like, well, Dee's like, well, I don't want Kyle to go, because I wanna keep him.
Starting point is 00:44:53 And then Camilla ends up sort of like being scapegoated in that Kyle ends up being saved, and Camilla ends up being the person who, well, she's not really helping us in the challenges, and that they end up looking at her as a potential first boot. Yeah, I mean, the anti-winter thing, that's something, I mean, obviously Jenna Lewis
Starting point is 00:45:10 is going to be there. Yes. Who really created that, but I don't feel like the players, that's your all-stars talking, Rob. I don't feel like the players feel that way anymore, do they? Has there ever been, like, you know, I mean, nobody really cared in, I don't know, some other season.
Starting point is 00:45:27 I kind of feel like they care. I feel like the people are still a little salty about, you know, they'll get they they've won already. And if not even just for like, hey, I'm jealous of their money. It's like they're dangerous player. Yeah. But if you're thinking like if other people are going to be mad at that, isn't that the kind of person you want to bring with you to the end and I'll tell you what that Joe's hot take on Survivor 48 they asked like and I don't know if we have a photo of this that he said that you know D's win was not that good. I feel like that there could be some Feuding between D and Joe. It's funny that then like the exact same like basically he got deed in the finale of Yeah, all right, and then also we have like the exact same, like basically he got deed in the finale of the meet.
Starting point is 00:46:05 All right, and then also we have Jonathan. Yeah. All right, I'm gonna say something that this is, okay, maybe you could push back on me, and this is gonna be a controversial take. I think that if, you know, I feel like to your point that you've been saying about how like, hey, all these people watch the show,
Starting point is 00:46:24 the people on the street don't really know who's going on. I think that while the fans that are probably in the chat maybe like whatever, were very whatever on Jonathan, I think he made a big impression on the TV audience. And I think that there will be a lot of viewers of the show that will be excited to see Jonathan back. Hey, listen, I'm one of them. You know me, I love a giant dude.
Starting point is 00:46:45 Like I am actually excited about Jonathan. I thought, I mean, he just like, you know, some of the appeal of Survivor is just the pure, you know, physicality of it. It's like stepping into the wild and doing these crazy things. And I think it's fun to have players who embody that aspect of the game.
Starting point is 00:47:06 And Jonathan is obviously one of them. You have Ozzy here, who's one of them. Colby, who at one point was one of them. And Coach, who deludes himself into thinking he's one of them. So I feel like there is a lot of like fun and intrigue here for a character like Jonathan to, I'm excited to have different play styles,
Starting point is 00:47:26 basically. Yeah, and that's not a Rob Sisternino pick in that I need Jonathan on this season, but it is a Rob Sisternino call from, go back to a year ago when we did the, draft the cast of Survivor 50, and I drafted Jonathan because I said, they love this guy, he will be back.
Starting point is 00:47:47 Yeah, I mean and like he's too like kind of what I was saying about you want people who can bounce off of each other with Jonathan you don't really need that it's not like Jonathan needs Mike around to be Jonathan you know he doesn't need Omar around to be Jonathan like his Jonathanness is entirely self-contained. The Hot Honey McCrispy is so back at McDonald's. With juicy 100% Canadian-raised seasoned chicken, shredded lettuce, crispy jalapenos, and that completely craveable hot honey sauce, it's a sweet heat repeat you don't want to miss.
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Starting point is 00:49:19 I am stoked for Rick Devens. And this is one of the ones, you know, this is to me like the no brainer, right? Like this is the got, like one of these got, you're narrowing your eyes. Really? Wait, let me, well, okay. First of all, like Rick was one of the biggest characters
Starting point is 00:49:34 of the thirties, right? And in that era, in that, like now what is characterized is old school era that like never got a chance to come back. To me, Rick has always been, you know, a big, big survivor character. Like, and when we're talking about bringing out those people from the first 40 seasons who never got their shot at an all star game, to me, Rick is a no brainer. He was super, super, super funny. I thought he remained super funny and he played a great game. He like had, you know, he played like a really good,
Starting point is 00:50:05 fun, strategic game. It had like big moments. Like what do you, what is not to like, there was a lot of hostility to Rick as a player because I think people just assumed he was going to win. And I think people were like getting tired of all the Rick in their face. But ultimately he didn't win.
Starting point is 00:50:22 And I'm just like really, really psyched for him. And also he's like a great human being, and I'm happy for him. Yeah, I'm happy for him. I think it's fine to have Rick Devens. I feel like that if you didn't have Rick Devens, I don't think that there would be people out with pitchforks like, what, where is Rick Devens?
Starting point is 00:50:39 Why isn't he on this cast? I think that probably if there was an all-star season before this, I think he should have been on it. But I feel like that, I think it would have been fine either way. So I'm kind of like indifferent on the Rick Devins pick. It doesn't bother me, but I also think that it wasn't a must have.
Starting point is 00:50:58 See, but to me, it's like, if you're gonna bring back people from that late 30s era, like it's like Rick, you know, and then Christian Angelina, like that's it. Like who else needs to come back from that late thirties era. Like it's like Rick, you know, and then Christian Angelina, like that's it. Like who else, who else like needs to come back from that era? And obviously I'm super excited about Mike, but- Dom Bate?
Starting point is 00:51:12 Yeah, Dom. Dom would also be a really good one to have. Dom is an oversight, that's true. Yeah, okay. All right, then Mike White. Yeah, obviously this is gonna be really fun. You know, I think that, you know, it's been said But mike is probably the favorite to win this season right now
Starting point is 00:51:30 Um, you know because obviously everyone like we've made everyone has made the joke about like well, you know You are all going to want to align with mike because you want to you know for that for that white lotus cameo And that's true But even more than like aligning with him I feel like is that jury vote at the end where like every, when you're on the jury, you're like, I hate all these people. I don't wanna vote for any of them.
Starting point is 00:51:49 Like, why would I choose any of these three people? Now you have, if Mike is there, now you actually have an incentive to vote for one of them. You're like, if I vote for Camilla, she's not gonna cast me on her series, but like I'm incentivized to vote for Mike to win here. And so I think like, if Mike is at the end, like again, and who's cutting him, right?
Starting point is 00:52:08 Then people are going to choose him to win. I just wonder if like, that's how we think it's all gonna go. And I feel like we're always so wrong on how it's all going to go. Like we did not, if we would have done this right before, like when they left for winners of war, it was all right, Tony, no chance
Starting point is 00:52:24 that nobody's letting him get close to the end. So we just don't know, sure, on paper, that's going to be the case, but like at some point, the players might say like, okay, well we gotta stop Mike White while we can, and so maybe they end up doing that. So that, what you're saying makes a lot of sense, who knows how it will actually play out.
Starting point is 00:52:44 Who is the person though? Like I think like, you know, probably the correct strategy is to blindside him early before he can get his hooks into other people. I can see that from like Emily just being as, you know. Yes, push back on that. I can see that. Emily.
Starting point is 00:52:58 Jenna Lewis, I think also could be unimpressed. I think Suri is an interesting one to watch with Mike White. Like does Suri covet being on the White Lotus? Suri who hates television. We know she hates to be on TV. Yeah. I think that's also an interesting one. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:20 That is an interesting one. I agree with you, but she might see the downside to Mike being there at the end. So I don't know, I'm excited for Mike. Mike was very fun as a character in addition to obviously the White Lotus stuff. Like he was hilarious. He had great confessionals.
Starting point is 00:53:34 Look, if Mike White wants to come back for Survivor 50, you let Mike White come back for Survivor 50. You know, it is what it is and I'm excited to see him. Okay, all right. Angelina again, slam dunk. No brainer. This is number one. They nailed it. Angelina at the top, like mid thirties,
Starting point is 00:53:52 like this is number one. Okay, I mean, I don't know if there's anything else to say. Here's my question, Angelina. Do you, if you, so I saw her post on Instagram, like a montage of all of the jackets that she is planning to bring with her. Surely as like a wardrobe consultant, your job is to make sure Angelina does not have a jacket.
Starting point is 00:54:10 You think so? I think they give them a lot of jackets now. Yeah. I don't know. Angelina was great because she was not self-aware, right? Like that's what was really fun about Angelina. It was like she would say these extremely unself-aware things.
Starting point is 00:54:23 So I think the upside to Angelina is that she is just innately that way and will bring that. I think the downside might be like coach in his like later incarnations where like he was performing coach more than he was being himself. Like in my mind, a lot of people, I mean, I loved, here's Roosevelt's coach. There's a lot of great moments there,
Starting point is 00:54:41 but it's obvious like he's doing the shtick whereas Tocantins era coach, you know, he was being was being coach and that was what was that was just like sublime You know it whereas it became kind of like second tier of that It'll be interesting to see if it still works as a character where I feel like that they were I was talking about this recently in terms of coach and his original run in token sheens that they could in terms of Coach and his original run in Token Sheens, that they could edit somebody to be a little bit of a caricature at that point in time, whereas that is really not the editing style
Starting point is 00:55:13 of the show in the new era. So it will be interesting to see how Angelina is portrayed. Yeah, yeah, that's absolutely correct. So I'm trying to think, have they gone goofy on anybody in the last couple of- Roll, I think might've been the one person. Yeah, but they're doing more fun editorial stuff, but you're right, they're not clowning people
Starting point is 00:55:34 like they usually do. Yeah, although I do think that- Which I support, by the way. Yeah, I do think that Mike is also gonna be there to wind her up at times, so we'll see. I think that he will help get the best out of Angelina. Yeah, that will be really fun. So do you cast Mike and Angelina on the same tribe?
Starting point is 00:55:49 Or yes, right? Because you wanna see them. Yeah, I think so too. Okay, all right. And then we have also our friend Christian Hubecky, a no brainer. Yeah, a no brainer. A big brainer.
Starting point is 00:56:01 Big brainer. Christian, obviously someone who I'm sure was just like instant call, you know, top list for this season. Someone who was such a huge character on his show. I really liked the perfect character to be on David versus Goliath. He just like felt like the quintessential, you know,
Starting point is 00:56:15 embodiment of the theme of that. Like Christian versus John Hennigan was David versus Goliath. But yeah, like a great guy, like very astute survivor, um, you know, survivor instincts and, and, and, um, strategic reads, you know, also like a very sincere guy in a way, like he's like a really, really very sweet guy kind guy. Like in this way, like I'm worried about my clock tower Alliance with like Christian and Emily, because like, I think Christian will get the short end of
Starting point is 00:56:41 that straw. Like Christian will like believe that he has a real friendship with Emily and Emily will Emily will cut him. How do you think he's gonna do? Steven. I think people, especially new era people, will want to work with Christian because they like him. He's like a prototype of the new era nerd, right? We're all nerds now, but back then,
Starting point is 00:56:58 Christian was like a super nerd. I think he will, and I don't think he will have the same huge threat level that he did in David versus Goliath where like he was like super David you know like David get to the end of David versus Goliath. Yeah I'm worried for him. Yeah I'm worried I don't know if like I don't know if that he's Jenna Lewis's cup of tea I don't know if he's Colby's cup of tea I don't know if he's Suri's cup of tea. I don't know if he's Colby's cup of tea. I don't know if he's Saree's cup of tea. Coach that he has so much baggage with Cochran. Coach is gonna be a fan. I will talk about this. I think Coach is gonna put on a
Starting point is 00:57:34 show and I think like Christian is gonna be like Christian is an archetype and I think Coach is gonna want like Coach is gonna be like next level coach theater. You know Ozzy's cup of tea, I don't know. So I just feel like I'm more worried about him from some of these old school players who might be looking at him as sort of like the math guy. He's got it all figured out. And I think that just because he knows math
Starting point is 00:57:56 doesn't necessarily mean he's sneaky. And I think that he could be maybe somebody who ends up getting some targets thrown his way, maybe Mike and Angelina will go to bat for him. Yeah, I mean, he is not sneaky. That is, which people probably don't realize. I think you're right. Like he has the downside of seeming strategic without,
Starting point is 00:58:18 and he's very thoughtful and strategic, but he's not like, I don't think he's devious or sneaky. He's like too earnest maybe. And too quick- Yeah, sincere, right. Yeah. So not a great, yeah. You need to be a sociopath for survival.
Starting point is 00:58:30 All right. And that's why Emily Flippen is gonna take it. All right, we've got Chrissy Hofbeck. Yeah, excited to see Chrissy back. Very, you know, she was, had a great run on her first season and, you know, did amazingly in the immunity challenges, really kind of like put the lie to the sort of older woman.
Starting point is 00:58:50 Sort of like, I think there's been a lot, there had been and remain to have been like a lot of recent seasons where sort of that the older woman archetype had kind of like been dismissed in the finals and the fact that she was right there and like getting votes and highly competitive to win and many believe should have won, you know, really speaks to her being a great, a great cast. To me, the Chrissy pick is like in the same category as like Rick where I'm not mad at it, and I'm happy for Chrissy,
Starting point is 00:59:17 but if Chrissy Hoffbeck was not on the Survivor 50 cast, I do not think that there would be a lot of protest of what, Survivor 50, no Chrissy, what the hell? But then who are these people? You're like, what about these people who this was their last chance? Like Chrissy is that person. Like who are these people other than Sean Rector
Starting point is 00:59:37 who you're referring to who they didn't cast? I think I would have rather seen Jerry. Really, Jerry for the fourth time? Who like brought like very little to the table in Heroes vs Villains? Like Chrissy is gonna like bring him. She almost won the game. She got almost, she got like a one day short
Starting point is 00:59:54 of what Chrissy did. She, but she wasn't like driving that season in the way that Chrissy was. Like Chrissy was like one of the- Chrissy was driving the season? Yes, with her alliance with Ryan was one of like the biggest, you know, strategic duos of that whole season. I mean, Ben also like hugely influential there. People, you
Starting point is 01:00:10 know, underestimate Ben's game in that season. But like, yeah, Chrissy and Ryan were like kind of running that season. Chrissy had like a dominant immunity. They didn't like her. That's why she didn't win. Yeah. But like that's, you know, likeability. That's, that's, that's a real, that's a third rail. I think like, and then Jerry is so likable. You're like, replace her with Jerry, who we've seen three times. Where's Amanda? And who like was like, yeah. Also who we saw three times.
Starting point is 01:00:34 Like I'm much more excited to see Chrissy play a second time. I'm worried about Chrissy. I'm bummed to not see Amanda, but like I do need to see Jerry X for, like, you know, we... I feel like she didn't bring that much to the table the last time we saw her. Who didn't? Jerry. Jerry. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:53 I just feel... I'm sort of worried about Chrissy. I feel like that she doesn't have a ton of social connections to this group, and I feel like that she is going to be an early boot on this season. So I'm happy for Chrissy that she got back and she has a great story. And so like, again, happy for Chrissy personally. I just feel like that we get, we got six women from the pre Survivor 40 to see one more time.
Starting point is 01:01:20 Like Chrissy was not like, like in my top 20 of people. Then who are they? You're giving me Jerry and Amanda. I can't buy, it's like, give me someone, you know, give me someone like fresh, Like Chrissy was not like in my top 20 of people. But then who are they? You're giving me Jerry and Amanda. I can't buy guys. So like, give me someone, you know, give me someone like fresh, you know, like, I can't, I can't, I mean, look, it sounds like
Starting point is 01:01:32 that's a fundamental issue difference, right? Like you want these boring five time players to like trot out the same garbage we've seen again and again. I want fresh. This is like one of like, this is in the hands of the fans. Do you want to see the same shtick you've seen again and again or new fresh players who have something to prove and are willing to fight for it all? Yeah. What's Chrissy's best TV moment? One of those challenge
Starting point is 01:01:57 wins, you know? Something with the idol. Wasn't there like digging for an idol or something? She's wrestled, I think. Yeah, wrestling for an idol. Yeah, that was the big moment. She's gonna wrestle for it. And she's charming. She's lovely. She's lovely. People didn't like her. That's on them. That's on those people. All right. Then Aubrey Bracco. Yeah. I am of two minds about Aubrey. I think that it's great that they are bringing a range of archetypes back, but I, you know, and it's fun. I think it shall be fun, but like, she's kind of my like, do I need to see Aubrey times four?
Starting point is 01:02:32 Like again, like, that's sort of like my benchmark. Like I would rather see Sean Rector over Aubrey. I know that they're not competing with the same spot. Yeah, I do feel like that Aubrey, I do think we've seen it. And the difference between like Aubrey and say like Amanda, it's like Aubrey played three times in a very short period of time,
Starting point is 01:02:49 but that was only like six years ago. It wasn't like that that was 15 years ago since we've seen Aubrey. So I feel like we've barely had a chance to seriously miss Aubrey since the last time she went back. And so here she is. And so I know some people are really big Aubrey heads and Aubrey fans.
Starting point is 01:03:11 So I'm happy for them. But I mean, this was supposed to be Amanda, right? Yeah. I think, you know, we kind of like missed the people they didn't cast. I mean, we've sort of been talking about them along the way. Them not casting Shan, I think is crazy. I know that Shan like post show,
Starting point is 01:03:29 there was like some drama around Shan, but in 41, we were talking about how Shan was one of the biggest character strategists they'd ever had. And such a big defining player of this whole new era. Like if I want like for that kind of strategist role, I kind of would rather see Shan here. Then you can like take one of the other old school spots that we don't like, you know, give it, you know,
Starting point is 01:03:53 give someone else's spot from the old school to Sean. Like you can do a whole mix up here, but I feel like I would rather have Shan than Aubrey. Well, I think that it's probably Shan over Tiffany if we're gonna like be trying to like sub somebody out. Well, okay, then Shan over Tiffany. I mean, I think Shan was such a big character and she didn't even have like the Shantham.
Starting point is 01:04:13 They gave her like a custom theme song. The fact that she was not, she's not here, I feel like is a miss. But again, who knows what Shan is like now. Obviously I've heard, I mean, I just like third, you know, third degree rumors, you know, that like maybe people didn't like her as much post show. Okay. All right. Yeah. Coach is here. Steven, your great friend. Coach is back and I'm excited for Coach 4.0. Yeah, I am actually like in terms of like the three time players, I'm probably most excited for coach.
Starting point is 01:04:47 I think coach is really gonna put on a show. I think that, you know, coach has not played for 27 seasons. You know, he played three times back to back. He played 18, 20 and 23. That's a span of like what, like three years. And now, so he has had a lot of time, a lot of time to come up with new quotes, you know, new styles, new crazy things to say. And I'm sure every night before he goes to sleep,
Starting point is 01:05:06 he's been like, if I were on Survivor now, here's what I would do with my jacket. Oh, give it to, give it, oh my God, a jacket. Then someone, he's got a jacket, someone needs a jacket. This is an opportunity. I do think that coach is going to be very fun. I think coach will be theatrical in a really fun way. Coach is also a dad now.
Starting point is 01:05:22 And so coach has maybe like, you know, maybe a little more authenticity to him. And I think that that's why I think Coach will vibe well with a player like Christian. I think he's going to be really like going full full coach in a way that will be enjoyable to watch. Okay you said he's gonna put on a show. Any other like thoughts on how he'll play the game? I do think he will probably, so I think he's gonna play up some of the Dragon Slayer stuff. I think he's gonna go hard into that.
Starting point is 01:05:51 I do think that he will probably look to bond with some of those dudes. But Coach is also fundamentally kind of a nerd. And so I think he will vibe with Christian and Rick. Coach and Rick, I could actually see bouncing off each other extremely well. Rick is a super easy guy to get along with. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:14 So I am kind of excited for older coach coming in. Really fun to see the coach Aussie rivalry, right? Last time coach won, I think you gotta put them in some relationship again. And that will be really- And coach does not love Ozzy. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure Ozzy doesn't love coach. I'm sure there's some fun antagonism there
Starting point is 01:06:35 that we'll watch play out. And again, this is why having relationships is fun. I'm excited to see coach Ozzy. That's gonna be great. All right, we've got now Ozzy. You know, that's going to be great. All right. We've got now Ozzy. Speaking of, yes. Who do you think goes further, Coach or Ozzy? If you had to call it in the air.
Starting point is 01:06:55 I think Coach. Do you think Ozzy? I think that Coach is maybe a little bit more that people look at him as. He's harmless harmless what is he like I think if he's not going to take the reins like he did in South Pacific like I think that this probably could be a little bit more like coach in heroes versus villains I don't know if who the Boston Rob is on like if it is a tribe of the returning fairs I don't know who coach follows around
Starting point is 01:07:26 like a Boston Rob, but I think that that was interesting to see him sort of like, I have feeling like he was sort of like second in command to Boston Rob's leadership. It won't be Ozzy. He won't be following Ozzy around, but I wonder who that person is who sort of like the person who's taking charge among the old school players, if it is divided that way. Yeah, I mean, I could see him connecting with, you know, a Jonathan or a Joe, you know, he obviously loves that. I mean, honestly, even like a Q and coach, like, can you imagine the lunacy of a Q coach alliance?
Starting point is 01:07:57 Like that would be very funny. I could see him following Q. Yeah, I could see, yeah, that would be a very fun duo, is Q and coach. Yeah, okay, so, yeah, that would be a very fun duo, is Q and Coach. Yeah, okay, so here's Ozzy, and how do you think Ozzy for 5.0 is gonna be? Yeah, I mean, where was Ozzy in Game Changers? He kind of like, what happened with him?
Starting point is 01:08:16 I don't even remember. He really had nothing in Game Changers, and it wasn't necessarily like that he just came out and flopped, like he kind of came out and was largely unmemorable. Yeah. That was sort of it. And I think like Ozzy, you know, does he have that drive anymore to kill it out there?
Starting point is 01:08:37 And that's what I, you know, that's what I think is like fun about a lot. I heard the drive is still strong with Ozzy. Yeah, but do you want to sleep next to him? Do you? No, I mean, I don't know. He's probably a nice, nice gentleman. Um, yeah, yeah, that worse. Yeah. Um, I don't know. I think it's always fun to see Ozzy. And I, it's a little bit fun to see like Ozzy and like competing with Jonathan. Yeah. I mean, I feel like that there's sort of like different beasts of Ozzy versus Jonathan.
Starting point is 01:09:07 Yeah, but that's sort of like the old school, that's sort of the old school challenge beast versus like the new school challenge beast. And again, like that's what like, that's what excites me about these casts is like all of the different like little connections, like the neurons, the dendrites, you know, spanning the different senses. Okay. All right. There's Ozzy and we've got Saree. Yeah. Saree, obviously. So Saree is one of the ones where I was like when I first heard Saree. And again, like this was back in the day when we thought it was all going to be new school. And we were excited about that. Now we're not allowed to even pretend that existed online. But I was like, oh gosh, we really need to see Saree again. Now I'm actually pretty excited
Starting point is 01:09:44 for Saree, to be honest. Now I'm actually pretty excited for Suri, to be honest, like I've come around. I think- In during this podcast? Yeah, no, no, just over the last week. Now that I feel like I do need to defend everything about this, no, no, now, no, truly, I do think it'll be fun when it felt like,
Starting point is 01:09:58 oh my gosh, this season of new era legends is kind of getting replaced with these old school players. I felt sad about that. You were sad that there wasn't enough new era legends is kind of getting replaced with these old school players. I felt sad about that. You were sad that there wasn't enough new era at one point. Well, there was a point when a lot of people felt that way. We were happy. No, people were complaining about it. Who was complaining? There was a lot of complaining at the time, Rob. You maybe missed the complaining, but when they first announced that they were going to be bringing back, you know, people like Suri and maybe it was like, I think there was like some interview with poverty people were like, oh my gosh, like me, me people. And like a lot of people like were responding to that.
Starting point is 01:10:31 Like, yes, like, do we really need to see four timers? Like let's bring out Carolyn, let's bring out Jesse, you know, why do we have to see four timers? But now that it's such a hodgepodge, you know, we don't have Carolyn or Jesse. I'm excited for Suri, you know, I think it will be fun to see her work her magic. But Sarit didn't take Carolyn's spot. No, but I mean just the idea of there was a moment in time when it seemed like, you know, because of all some things that Jeff had said. Yes. You know, I feel like there was a...
Starting point is 01:10:58 Y'all have erased this from your memories. There was a moment in time where people were like, hey, it's sounding like it might only be three or four people from the new era in season 50. No, but before that it was like, first there was a time when everyone thought it was going to be all new era people. And then we were like, Oh, wait a second. I'm hearing Jeff said it will be people prior to some of the past. And we thought it was going to be like mostly new era, but with like Rick and Angelina. And then we were suddenly hearing about Suri and people reacted badly to that.
Starting point is 01:11:25 You guys don't remember this, but it happened. I swear it happened. This is not a Kazam moment. Or what is it called where you like believe something was like Berenstein Bears? The Mandela Effect? Mandela Effect. This is not a Mandela Effect. This really happened where people were disappointed about these four or five times players instead of like hoping that the season was just four or five time players. Yeah. Okay. Well, Saree is back. First, we will see Saree on Australia versus the world between now and then. Yeah, I mean, it's a lot of Saree. But again, like this will be fun.
Starting point is 01:11:57 I think, you know, Saree is great. She's always great TV. She always has a lot to bring to the season. And I do think it will be fun to watch her play. Okay. Alright. Stephanie Ogrosikendrik, where are you on Stephanie? I am pro Stephanie. Okay. I think it'll, like she's someone too, like who we have not seen for a very long time.
Starting point is 01:12:19 Right. A four-timer. Big, big legend in the game, but I did not feel like Necessarily we saw like the full I felt like there's more I mean, but that's like my argument with a lot of these people. It's like, okay Well, like let's bring her back out for one one last ride like it's like the last fast and the furious movie It's like alright, but coming coming back. We got for one more job That's kind of like how I looked at survivor 50 of like okay Let's bring back all of these like iconic figures for one last job And so Stephanie we haven't seen her in 15 years on the show
Starting point is 01:12:54 I know people say oh well she just did the traders, but that I'm fine. She was Hugely popular at one point in time, there was the most popular survivor contestant. They built a whole season around her at the center of it. So as somebody who could come back and still be physical, I didn't have a problem with Stephanie. Yeah. What about Rupert? I don't know what kind of shape Rupert's in. Where do you draw the line though? You're like, I want Jerry, but not Rupert. Rupert's a bigger character. Well, Jerry and Rupert are both okay but I'm telling you like I don't
Starting point is 01:13:27 know like what what what kind of physical condition Rupert is in like I'm like I don't know if maybe they can is is he in Survivor playing shape these days I don't know but like but like I mean you like, it's not that hard. Yeah. So, okay. You're upset, you didn't know Rupert? No, I'm just saying, like, you're like, I need to see Amanda, I need to see Stephanie. Like, you just need to, or I need to see Jerry. Is it just the cast of Heroes vs. Villains running it back for you?
Starting point is 01:13:57 I guess, maybe you ran into too many Heroes vs. Villains. That could be the case. Yeah. Okay. Listen, if they did the full cast of Heroes vs. Villains again, I would actually, that would be hard to. Yeah. Okay. Listen, if they did the full cast of Heroes versus Villains again, I would actually, that would be hard to object to. Okay. Except for Randy and Sugar that you already said.
Starting point is 01:14:10 No, I would love to see. Yeah. All right. Colby Donaldson. Yeah. Colby, again, like if you've got these icons, Colby is one of the show's icons and I am, he posted a picture where he looked very strong. He looked very buff. Okay, I haven't seen any recent Colby is one of the show's icons, and I am, he posted a picture where he looked very strong.
Starting point is 01:14:25 He looked very buff. Okay, I haven't seen any recent Colby photos, but yeah, if Colby's in, I mean, again, as somebody who's like, was a titan of the game at one point in time, it was just the fact that the last glimpse we got of Colby, which was 15 years ago, was not necessarily like, awe-inspiring of like, like yes more of that please.
Starting point is 01:14:47 How are you feeling that way about Amanda and Jerry when you don't feel that way about Colby? Colby like was checked out. I don't know. I don't know how he gets more checked in. He had Top Shot back then, you know Top Shot seemed like it was going to take off. Now he hasn't worked on you know Top shot for a while. OK. And then finally, all the way back to the beginning, Jenna Lewis. I don't know if I've ever heard you talk about Jenna Lewis. I don't really know Jenna Lewis that well. I feel like she, you know, like I obviously watched the first season
Starting point is 01:15:18 and then I like dipped out for a while and then I came back and, you know, caught up. But I never rewatched season one. And so I don't have like a strong like I don't know Jenna Lewis in the way that I came back and caught up, but I never rewatched season one. And so I don't have like a strong, like I don't know Jenna Lewis in the way that a lot of the fan fan base knows Jenna Lewis. It feels like a deep connection with her. What do you, you tell me about Jenna Lewis.
Starting point is 01:15:34 Jenna Lewis is she, I mean her story on Survivor Borneo. And I think that she was sort of portrayed on Borneo to be that she's this young single mom with two girls, two young daughters and she's there and she's there to provide for her daughters and that is a part of her. But then on Survivor All-Stars, I think you saw probably a little bit more of the one who is like a little bit more of like a she does she did the eco challenge she is a extremely like tough like New England person that I would not get into like a fist fight with Jenna Lewis she is like a tough customer and I think that people might not be ready for her
Starting point is 01:16:26 if they think of her as sort of like that Borneo mom who didn't get her videos, who was crying. Like she is somebody who is ready to, you know, win this game by any means necessary. Yeah, but like, but she doesn't just have like the hands-on experience to the game as it is now. I mean, Survivor back then. I have no idea if she's watched Survivor in 20 years.
Starting point is 01:16:49 I mean, it goes so fast. Old Survivor was so slow. It was just a totally different beast. Yeah, and so maybe she's not gonna know the right way to split the vote or what it means to have the shot in the dark, but I think that she is going to be like playing hard. Like I don't think that it's anything that she, you know, can't necessarily keep up with.
Starting point is 01:17:12 Yeah, I really though, because I do feel like, I mean with Survivor, we always say that like, or anything really, right? The best experience for doing anything is just doing that thing. And I really think that these people who have played new era Survivor are going to be better suited for the people, for new era Survivor. If it is a 26 day season, which it is, right?
Starting point is 01:17:29 I'm sure she studied to like watch. Yeah, but you can't, like the speed of it, I think is where the new era people are going to really excel. Yeah, we'll see. Like just having to like make those decisions fast. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we'll see. We got our Borneo representation. I would have preferred if it was Greg, if we could have gotten him. But there's Jenna Lewis. Okay. All right, Steven. There you go. There's 24 people. 24 people in 26 days. Crazy. Yeah. Crazy like a fox. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Well, here he is. Sunshine Stephen. Lots of great takes. I saw a lot of people agreeing with you today. Only after I said how hurt I was that nobody was agreeing with me.
Starting point is 01:18:12 And they were like, you know what? Let's give him let's give him this. Let's give him a little bit of positivity. But also, like, truly, like I truly like when I saw this cast, I was like, those aren't exactly the people I would choose. You especially, you know, Carolyn and Sean. I was very disappointed. I was so excited for Sean. Like Sean has just felt like such an oversight for so long.
Starting point is 01:18:28 Well, it just seemed like a tease because a lot of these people, like you heard their names for so long. Yeah. And like Sean, you know, probably heard his own name. Like, can you imagine this poor guy? He's been doing this for 25 years now. He's been like being, you know, led along here.
Starting point is 01:18:43 Yeah, and then just maybe like had we heard heard like this is how it was going to be but it did feel like to get this As the final cast as a little bit of a rug pull where there was so many People that we had heard in the mix that people were getting excited for and then to suddenly get actually We got these people who hadn't necessarily been really rumored to be in the mix and then people that you weren't as excited to see it feels like that we got something that was like looked one way online when we ordered it and then when we got the thing and we opened it, it was not like the picture that we saw on the website.
Starting point is 01:19:29 I do think some of the, like that was the problem, was the hype building around some of these people based on rumors and then that kind of like the rug pull of that. I agree with you that that was the issue, but like where were those rumors from? You know, I mean, that wasn't, you know, why, why, you know, whose fault is that?
Starting point is 01:19:46 It's not, you know, it's not Matt Van Wagonen wasn't out there tweeting about who he was looking at. I guess so. It's like, we never told you it was gonna be something you would like. Yeah. Yeah. But truly like looking at this cast, and again,
Starting point is 01:20:01 like I do think, you know, the five people, obviously you have to cast Riz God. He's the face of the show, but for anybody else, you know, I think that you, you know, for some of these other, for the, like some of the other people from this late, this cast, like, yes, like I think, you know, 48 was a very unpopular season and then to just like be these guys, you know, all of them, it feels like,
Starting point is 01:20:20 felt like a little bit much. But I do think they probably cast it in groups. And so I'm, I don't know, I'm cautiously optimistic. I think it'll be a fun season. Don't curse it with things like game changers. That's mean. Hey, Steven, you know what the secret to happiness is? Low expectations.
Starting point is 01:20:34 That's right, that's right. Oh my God, it's gonna be the greatest season of all time. You know, like, look, I know everybody is gonna go out and play hard. It is not, I don't think I have complained too much about the caliber of the players in terms of like their game play ability. And I hope that everybody is gonna go out there
Starting point is 01:20:52 and play hard and really go for it. And hopefully we get a great season to watch. You're just gutted that Jerry and Amanda aren't there. I think it would have been fun. As somebody who's like such a student of all of this like I think that there's so many Storylines that we just don't get because we don't get to see I I love the idea of So many people having like their last this is the final They had that that was 20 that was 20 for them like that was you know
Starting point is 01:21:21 They got that like how many times do you get the last hurrah like how many? Celebrations do there have to be that was the last hurrah? Like how many celebrations do there have to be? That was the last hurrah. Do we really need to like have, Jerry, oh, call me. Like how many times do we need that same like bit? Like you think it's gonna be any different this time? They'll be more tired. Well, instead, you know, we'll get to see
Starting point is 01:21:42 all of our favorites from the last two years come back. All right, Steven, great job today though. This was very fun. So yeah, thank you for having me. This was funny. Truly, I think if we had done this podcast yesterday, I would have been a very different Steven. What happened?
Starting point is 01:22:00 What was the difference? You had a Jolene coffee? Yeah, well sort of. I was like, there was just so much, so much, at first I was like, yeah, what the difference? I just, I got like- Jolene coffee? Yeah, yeah. Well, sort of, like, I, you know, I was like, there was just so much, I was like, so much, at first I was like, yeah, what the heck? Kyle and Camilla and Joe from 48, what the heck is up with that?
Starting point is 01:22:12 But then I was like, oh my gosh, everybody's saying the exact same thing. I've got to say something different. Yeah, okay, well, that you did, and look, we'll all be coming around, by February of 2026, we'll be so stoked for this whole thing to start. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:22:27 Truly, truly, truly. And I think 49 will be fun too, because there's like no expectations for 49. Everyone's, we're all excited to see the race God, and then that's really it. And then anything else will be the cherry on top. Okay. All right, so let me tell you about what's coming up.
Starting point is 01:22:41 But first, we've got, oh, it's Shane. Where's Shane Powers on this cast? Yeah, that would where is Shane power? I wonder if he was caught is Shane They're not bringing back Shane is like up there with them not bringing back Sean. Okay. Here's Shane powers holding up is Jolene coffee get 15% off your first order of Jolene coffee with the promo code Woodberry, that's Jolenecoffee.com. Let me tell you this, if this coffee is good enough for Shane Powers, it's good enough for you.
Starting point is 01:23:15 That's right, and Anthony Keatus, my God, if Anthony Keatus is drinking it, I want it. Shane takes coffee very seriously. Yeah, I'm excited about this. I really like, it seems like they put a lot of work and a lot of care into it And it seems like I mean you've had it. Mm-hmm. All right Survivor 25 greatest moments. I'm working on it with Mike Bloom We will kick off the first episode part one of five 25 to 21 the 25 greatest moments in Survivor history
Starting point is 01:23:43 25 to 21, the 25 greatest moments in Survivor history announcement that kicks off one week from yesterday, on Wednesday the 4th, so be on the lookout for that. And then Sunday night, Steven, over on our patron feed, we are going to have the Survivor 50 draft. We're not even waiting for the season to start. Wow. We're drafting.
Starting point is 01:24:03 That's amazing. That's gonna be live. You're not even gonna know Savannah or the Riz guy. You're not even gonna know how they play. You gotta do Riz got first though. All right. Well, let's see what the drafters do live on Sunday night at 7 p.m. Do we have a winner pick? Should we talk about who we think is? Yeah, sure. You want to do a... Sam told me I needed to do a fishy and I think this is actually quite easy I've got to give the preseason fishy to Mike, you know his strategy of bringing back cast Like he's been doing like next level pre-gaming for this like bringing back people from his cast who are his allies to appear on HBO like that's unbelievable levels of strategic thinking and so easy pregame fishy for my quiet
Starting point is 01:24:43 Okay, wasn't prepared to do a winner pick today, but I'll go with Suri. Suri is actually a good choice. I can see it finally happening in 50. Who else? I kind of feel like it'll be someone from that like mid 30s group. I'm not out on Rick Devin's winning.
Starting point is 01:25:09 But I think Serene, Mike White, Devin's. Yeah. I mean, Christian, I don't think Christian is really a likely winner. I think he is like too kind to, I mean, Rick is also very kind, but like Christian is so sweet and earnest. Yeah, all right.
Starting point is 01:25:28 Let's see what happens. And our survivor draft will be live for the Patron Feed at 7 p.m. on Sunday night. We'll put it in the main feed in February of- Serena's a good choice. Serena's a very good choice. She really almost won the game changers except for that advantage get in. Mm-hmm
Starting point is 01:25:46 She would have gotten away with it. It wasn't for that Advantage get in. Yeah, okay. All right Then we've got Coming up after that Oh patron Q&A tomorrow. I'll be live taking your questions I'm sure we will have many many questions about survivor 50 and beyond I will be live with the patrons Rob has a website comm slash patron 3 p.m. Eastern on Friday. And this is it. We're getting down to crunch time here.
Starting point is 01:26:12 We are retiring the $5 patron feed. We are grandfathering and locking in all of the patron pricing for existing patrons at the end of May 31st. So if you want to still get in as a $5 patron, you've got about 48 hours to do so. Otherwise we are retiring the bottom tier and the new bottom tier for new patrons will be the $10 tier. And of course, stay up to date with everything
Starting point is 01:26:39 we have going on, wenosurvivor.com. Steven, blood on the clock tower. We just dropped in brand new episode four. It's a great one. It is very fun. Like the comments have suggested people are very enthusiastic about this. So strongly recommend it.
Starting point is 01:26:53 You can see some Survivor 50 players. That's right. There's a real Emily versus Christian vibe to this. So if you want to see those two face off head to head, like this is your opportunity to do it if you don't want to have to wait a year for that. Yeah, okay. And then we've also got Stephen Fishback's amazing book,
Starting point is 01:27:11 Escape. Yeah, thank you, Rob, for mentioning that. Please, if you'd like to pre-order it, it's like, please, please do that. This is a great way to support me and also to read a book that I'm really proud of. I feel like I keep on being like, oh, please support me. Like, you know, this is, this means so much to me, but also I really like this book. Like I worked really hard on it.
Starting point is 01:27:30 So I hope you like it. Yeah. If people screenshot their preorder to you and tell and then tell you their favorite survivor 50 people, are you willing to then talk up their Survivor 50 pick? Yeah, I'll give, I'll hype up. If I get enough of one person, yeah, I'll, for sure, I'll hype that person up. You know, my opinions are fungible. Like, you know, like I said, like yesterday, I was more negative on the cast.
Starting point is 01:27:58 Today I'm more positive. Yeah, okay. All right, check out Stephen Fishback's book, Escape. Yeah, Gary asked, are we trying to escape Stephen Fishback? That you know, actually you can go to escapefishback.com. That's if you don't want to go to Stephenfishback.com. Escape Fishback, where you will be inundated with more fishback. How ironic is that? Okay. Wow. You can't escape fishback. You cannot escape-
Starting point is 01:28:17 Even in the off season. Yeah. Can I say something here about- Yes. So people are saying book tour. So I have been trying to plan some sort of like thing, some sort of like series of going around the country in the fall before the book comes out to sort of help, you know, to viewing parties. And I reached out to Wendell Holland,
Starting point is 01:28:36 who I've met like twice in my life. And I was like, hey, like, I'd love just like some of your like insight into how you got, you know, plan the price of one events. I'm not imagining anything of that caliber, but like, you know, I'd love to do something to help, you know, plan the price, win events. I'm not imagining anything of that caliber, but like, you know, I'd love to I'd love to do something to help, you know, promote the book and drive some sales and, you know, also like it to like, you know, mingle with the folks. And when
Starting point is 01:28:52 it was so extremely, extremely helpful, you know, truly like who I've like, you know, met twice, like, corresponded with occasionally, you know, yeah, texting every so often, like he was like, Yes, let me connect you with my contacts. Let me like put you in touch with these like venues. You know, such like a nice over the top, like not over the top, like appropriate, like kind, helpful person.
Starting point is 01:29:13 It really like, you know, it really touches you. Like there's some people, you know, who just like step up and we're there for you. Even if like, you know, he doesn't, you know, I'm like a one of 700 subscribers. Yeah, he's a great guy. What great guy went to Holland. Okay.
Starting point is 01:29:24 Steven, great job by you here today. And thank you so much everybody for joining us. And we've got plenty more Survivor 50 wall to wall coverage here on our AHP. Check it all out in our We Know Survivor feed. Take care everybody, have a good one. Bye. Bye.

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