RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor San Juan Del Sur Ep 3 | 10 Year Anniversary

Episode Date: October 8, 2024

It's been 10 years since Survivor San Juan Del Sur premiered and Rob Cesternino (@RobCesternino) and Josh Wigler (@roundhoward) are back to talk about it! Rob and Josh will discuss episode 3 of San Juan Del Sur and compare it to the new era of Survivor.

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to speak to an advisor free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. It was ten years ago. I promised Josh Wigley we would do a countdown. I forgot. It was 10 years ago on a night just like this that there was a sound that sounded like... Well played.

And John Rocker got voted out of Survivor San Juan del Sur. And that happened 10 years ago today. October 8th, 2014. And we're back to talk about episode 3 of Survivor San Juan del Sur. With Josh Wiggler. Josh, how are you? Oh, I'm so good. Gosh, it was really great to watch that happen again.

Yep. Really, really fun. Ten years later, also, I'm sure it was like, okay. And I think we even talked about this the other week. Yeah. John Rocker. Braves. Yeah.

He was a pitcher. Famously. Yes. John Rocker for the Atlanta Braves. And I believe the atlanta braves uh have said john rocker is what we're all about is that what they've said i think so that's you know as a as a lifelong mets fan that's the that's the the the vibe that i get of uh john rocker he is us and we are him uh still to this day that is what I'm, I don't know if they've said that.

I just want to connect dots here. Okay. Yes. This is what I'm attempting to do. It's a dot connection. John Rocker, Braves. Mets, Braves rivalry, right? A thing.

Yeah. Rob Sestanito, avatar for the Mets. John Rocker, avatar for the Braves. The Mets win when John Rocker goes home 10 years ago. Yeah. Did the Mets win? You are the Mets. You are the Mets.

You're the Mets. You're Mr. Mets. 2014 was a particularly interesting year in Mets history, but 2015. You in this case are Mr. Mets. You win. Mr. Braves you win. Mr. Braves loses, put it in the books.

And then 10 years later, wasn't there very recently, like very contentious Mets, brave stuff to get the Mets into the playoffs. Yes. Yes. The Mets, the Mets and Braves actually split a double header last week on Monday to

both put the Mets and the Braves into. But but the more exciting game was definitely game one. And Francisco Lindor's home run to come back from behind after the Mets were behind. But that's another story. So all I'm trying to do here is connect 2014 to 2024, roughly a decade, you know, with a little bit under a decade, these two moments in time, Josh, I'm going to blow your mind. Uh, if you're trying to connect, uh, the, uh, sports, the Mets and the Braves, I think you can go back further than 10 years. Uh, that's really, there's a good, uh, 30 year history between, uh, the Mets and the Braves at this point.

Is there something like Survivory in the 30 years? No, I don't think Survivor is included, but there's quite a storied history between the Mets and the Braves, and most of it is bad for the Mets. Unless you want to do that podcast today.

But what we are doing... In fact, I'm good to never do that podcast of the history of the Mets and the Braves. I'm good to never do that podcast of, uh, Matt, the history of the Mets and the Braves. I want to just quickly say that 10 years later, uh, Josh Wiggler underrated for knowing like a little bit about what's going on in

the sports, sports in the sports sector. Yeah. 10 years later from October 8th, 2014, it is now October 8th, 2024. It is now October 8th, 2024. Here in the year 2024, in which the 47th season of Survivor is airing.

It's happening. It's real. Here we are, not in an off season. In playoff season, in fact, doing a rewatch of a 10 year old survivor season, we're three weeks into it. We're still doing it. Okay. Look, we asked people, do you want us to come back? And the people said, yes, we need this podcast week after week. Well, we're back. Where are you? We're back. We're back. We're back. You here? Where are you at? I'm excited for this one. I was talking to our beloved Chappelle earlier today about how the beautiful thing about doing this podcast has been just reaffirming that 10 years on, Survivor San Juan del Sur has now achieved like stone cold classic status.

Like it is not it is not just like a great season or an underrated season rob it's now i think a classic season we have so much survivor under our belts that the 29th season of survivor i think we can classify as a classic okay sure i think this episode helps to solidify that deal. Some hilarious gold in here, some offensive material in here as well. And a historic, historic boot for not Kenny Powers, but John Rocker himself. He's effing out. He's effing out, but we're still effing in it. Okay, we're still effing in this. Three weeks in, okay, people have said that they are enjoying this walk back in memory lane. Although I do have to say that I will require a constant notification

that you are still on board and doing this. You need affirmation? I don't need it necessarily from- Validation. I don't need it necessarily from, I don't need it from my, for my ego. I don't want to quite like, I don't want to like, uh,

you know, for people to be talking about me in the context of maybe on, uh, episode three of, or, or at least episode two of survivor 47, uh, to, uh, how, uh, you know, I don't, I don't want this to be said about me. I've met a variety of different kinds of men on dating apps and specifically for Andy, you can just tell it's giving toxic clinging boyfriend. Whoa. That's not what I want to be giving.

It's not right. Are you like saying that that your San Juan del Sur's toxic clingy boyfriend? Is that what you're talking about? No, no. I just want to say like, like I need a constant validation that Rob,

this is a productive use of your time. That's what I need. That's what I need the validation for. Can I validate you on the podcast? Yes. This is a productive use of your time. That's what I need. That's what I need the validation for. Can I validate you on the podcast? Yes. This is a productive use of your time. First and foremost, it's a guaranteed hour every single week with your best friend, Josh Wigler. Yes.

Ring the bell. Hit it. Number two. Most of our best stuff, Rob, has emerged from some sort of primordial ooze of an idea. And we had an idea to just like, let's get together and talk about some stuff. And then as we do it, we were bubbling and

boiling our witch's brew. Bubble, bubble. That's a couple seasons away. Like Abby and Sierra. Yeah, it is. And then from the little stew, the evolution of strategy pops out, or post-show recaps pops out or we know scripted tv pops out who knows what's gonna pop out from here and also who knows maybe this is the brew it's possible this is the brew i could tell you one thing it's productive use of

your time because you're at least making me very happy okay good well good. Well, I'm happy that we're doing that. And so episode three is all about John Rocker and how ultimately he has a bit of a downfall here. The players have soured on John Rocker. He, I think, put his best foot forward for a couple of episodes. But now I think the mask has been lifted. Mask off. On John Rocker.

Pitchers don't wear masks. Pitchers don't wear masks. Catchers do. Was that his mistake coming into this game masked? Should he just like stormed the mound? Okay, then that's what I thought you were going to say. He did not play for washington uh played uh in the same division ultimately although they were exposed the wrong boys

alliance uh not a different kind of boys alliance although i don't know actually yeah you know you could pick or choose uh but should he have just like come in here like uh rocker raged out and just be like yeah i'm with john rocker like i mean john rocker famously like like he would run in from the bullpen like uh you know like in the 70s they had like a cart that would bring the pitcher to the mound excuse me yeah in the 70s there was a cart that would take the pitcher to the mound yeah i don't know if it was like universally like a rule but i believe that john rocker was famous for john rocker was famous for uh you you didn't have to be wheeled i think that like people like it was

like an attraction of like a car that was like a pitcher's helmet or a pitcher's hat or a hat because it'd be anybody's hat uh and then the car was shaped like a hat and was like a pitcher's helmet or a pitcher's hat or a hat because we anybody's hat uh and then the car was shaped like a hat and it would drive the pitcher to the mound do we need to uh have like a like a buff car to transport the contestants to challenges on survivor in the future like it's just a giant vehicle uh shaped like a survivor buff um or down. I don't know how like, yeah, it would be like a head with a buff on it.

But John Rocker would then come into a giant Austin Rob head with a buff on it. I guess he kind of ended up doing it. Yeah. And John Rocker would run in onto the mounds

from the bullpen. He would charge it. Mm hmm. He would charge it. OK, well, he's going to run his way right out of the game this week uh and just in further like is this season how if it's echoing anything that's happening in survivor 47

maybe rob uh the the mets fan in you who who uh gets rid of your chief rival, sports rival here in the third episode of Survivor, San Juan del Sur, perhaps the monkey's paw, one finger curled, and 10 years later, your hometown hero would have to go home third as well. Yep. I'm not trying to say that Asia lost lost survivor because of your vendetta from 10 years ago but i also don't know that uh one way or the other for sure right okay well listen um

you take away for a lot of things you don't need to take we had a great excuse to talk about anything but that uh i'm not sure why you chose to uh go in that particular direction i'm just vibing yeah i'm just taking it wherever it's going well let's pick up where we left off here uh with survivor sam wandell sir in episode number three and you know we saw that uh john rocker did seem to have some good intentions of trying to save Val last time out, but then got frustrated when she didn't play the idol like he assumed that she would. That being said, that the funny business with Val

still was clocked by Josh Canfield's radar. Going back and watching this, this episode also specifically is I think a really great Josh episode. And I remember this like starting to emerge during San Juan del Sur, like in this early going. And like the preseason,

I really remember that everyone was like very hyped on Reed for whatever reason and thought that Josh- Well, he was Spider-Man. He was Spider-Man. Like that's a big deal. I mean, the MCU is like, you know, starting to like come along. But like, I don't think we've had Civil War.

No, I don't think so. Why yet? No. When was Civil War? 2015 or 2016? 2016. So, no, we're not quite there yet um but clearly yeah spider-man's a big deal but it's very clear in this episode the amazing spider-man was the most recent spider-man that we

had yeah andrew garfield uh and like uh while he i think uh uh plays well 10 years later i don't know that those movies necessarily re is bringing Spider-Man back. No, he's not. He's turning off the dark, which is the musical that he was in, which was terrible and got many people killed. I don't think actually, but maybe I don't remember injuries for sure. Broadway expert Sam Moore might know more details than I do. Josh is presenting himself to be like a like a cunning strategist or at least what amounts for a cunning strategist on san juan del sor like he's clocked he clocked that like rocker and val have never gone off together that's weird maybe i should do something about that uh

and somehow during all of this is also still able to completely captivate John Rocker's trust while he is supremely sus of John Rocker this entire time. Yeah. Okay, so that's going to be a storyline going on as Josh and Baylor, they sort of have been bubbling under the surface a little bit of this strategic partnership. It's going to come into a full swing like like spider-man episode meanwhile over at hunapu uh things are really starting to uh come into clearer focus in terms of everybody's

frustration with drew that they're people are working on the shelter and still i guess that that's uh something that is a, um, common bond between these, uh, two episodes of a survivor that we, you and I have watched over the last seven days of survivor players in the first week of the game. They are, they're working on their shelter and,

uh, finding it hard to get a good night's sleep. Uh, Drew takes a break from working on the palm fronds to take a nap and natalie f's with him yeah she uh she palm fronds his face she palm fronds him yeah he doesn't like that andrew's like what the heck i believe that's his exact phrase he says what the heck keith nail is also disgusted by drew's behavior uh and he gives us this quote yeah if my son was acting like drew you probably don't want to know i probably can't say it on camera because i'd get in one of them little oh you know but proceeds to

say it on camera uh we still whoop whatever you want to call it in the south we still spank, we still whoop, whatever you want to call it in the South. We still spank, we still whoop. So do you think that was Wes Nail recently spanked or whooped? I don't want to speculate at all on whether or not. And you're talking about like recently now or recently then? I don't know. I hope he usually is. usually said they still do it wes is the one who does the spanking in this episode yeah they're gonna go head to head in the challenge it's a good setup i have not checked in on wes nail recently uh i i i hope that he and

the rest of the nail family are doing great uh in um the wake of losing keith uh with that being said the thing that i'd be really interested to know is where are you at on those nuggets that's that's coming up but like i'm here on this podcast at least until the nuggets yeah um great quote there by keith keith and nail or keith and wes uh they are going to go up against each other at the hero arena but not before that we get a new look or a look at the Coyopa tribe minus Val voted out of the tribal council

Jeremy pissed whatever isn't that what he says like it's whatever it's like whoa Jeremy is like seething San Juan del Sureremy is an awesome vibe uh he's just like he's he is just like uh like when he even said like back at the pro like i already know we're in this episode a little while when he's gonna just like spill the tea on john

rocker to the rest of the tribe but here he's mad and john rocker who didn't debrief any of his people at all about what had happened uh like if he had really tried you know hot take john rocker maybe kind of dumb uh because like if what he really authentically did want to do is say val there was another way to do it just like tell them like uh you know like we can't call val right now can we just like go after somebody else john John Rocker really gets the worst of both worlds, where he tries to protect Val and keep his word to

Jeremy, but then did not keep his word to his own tribe, so he's coming across as kind of shady to both Jeremy, who ended up seeing his wife go home. And then also to his tribe that he cut a deal with Jeremy and didn't tell

them what it was. Correct. Yeah. And so like, he's like sort of like, uh, you know, he's cutting off both feet really.

Uh, like he's not, he's not helping his case with Jeremy, certainly by not being able to protect Val. And then internally at Coyopa, these guys are like, what's Johnny Rocks doing? He didn't tell us any of that. That's

news to us. Yeah. There's a nice moment after Wes and Keith do battle in the challenge. Wes ends up winning and you know, Keith, for as much as he said that, you know, sure, he'll still spank, he'll still whoop, that he gets teary eyed. And Jeff calls this out, wants to know, like, is Keith often like that?

And Wes says no. Yeah, this is not a joke or a bit. This is like a moment of personal vulnerability is that. So so this is 10 years ago to the day that this airs, October 8th, 2014. 10 years greater from October 8th, 2014. Today, I had a totally unrelated to anything emotional call with my father earlier today. It was we had to talk to a lawyer about a thing. And he asked me to stick around after the call. And he and I had been at a wedding earlier in the weekend. And I talked to him about some of the things that are going on in my life and some of the things that I'm happy about and some of

the things I'm not so happy about. And my father is not really one to give that paternal advice. He's a very smart guy. He could be a very silly guy. He could be a very deep guy, but he's not a super emotional guy. He could be a very silly guy. He could be a very deep guy, but he's not like a super emotional guy. And he like held me back after this call to give me like some of those things that you just want to hear your dad say. Uh, and I cried so much on the call. Uh, so like, then I watched this episode afterwards. And I was like, what is this crazy time loop that we're on that this is also happening on the show today? And I told you a bunch of months ago that I had had a call with my dad or I'd had a conversation with my dad at the start of the year that was supremely inspired by what you've talked about of that final phone call that you had with your dad that was like really healing for you. And it ended up being a really healing thing for me and my dad to have that conversation earlier this year. And like our relationship has been really good. But I had to start that conversation. And then today was this moment where like he gave me

like this, I'm proud of you son speech. And I was, I was wrecked by it. And then to watch it happen here on San Juan del Sur and know that I was going to get on this podcast and get a chance to tell you all about that. Cause this is really a big, like this, all this happened for me watching San Juan del Sur talking about San Juan del Sur, having this great moment with my dad, all kinds of circles back to you and your podcast, Rob. So thank you. Thank you for your vulnerability that you've expressed over the years. And thank you for entrusting me with doing nonsense with you on podcasts so I could have an enriched life as a result. So first, Josh, thank you for sharing all of that and uh bringing us into your vulnerability uh i can now check off my list this

was a productive use of my time today we've uh really accomplished two things there yeah and thirdly i'd like to add my dad would have loved seeing John Rocker lose on Survivor. Yeah, I bet. He would have loved it. I'm sure. I'm sure. It's a great moment. It's a great moment.

It was a great moment for me in real life, but it was a great moment on the show. And like Wes's reaction. And then especially, of course, there's this now added layer of watching this scene 10 years later. And like in this scene, like Wes is talking about, I haven't seen my father like this

except for when his great grandfather died and when my grandfather died. Or I think it was like his grandfather and his father, I think is basically what he's saying. And like all that Keith can say in that moment is like, we're all right, we're good. And it's like, it's so sweet. And it's also, it's so bittersweet, right? You know, like he's not here anymore. Uh, and that's awful. Uh, but like to like have this moment of kindness between father and son, especially one who will go on to become like one of the most beloved survivor figures, certainly of the last 10 years, uh, who is no longer with us to have like that moment of vulnerability on screen, it's certainly a big part of why we love Keith, Rob.

Yeah. And yeah, all the added context makes us miss him even more. Yes, 100%. Yeah. 100%. Okay. All right, we can do funny stuff again now.

We can pivot. Back at camp. Jeremy is finally sharing with everybody what he knows about John Rocker. He's like, I know who John Rocker is. Yeah, you don't even know. Who is he? We don't know. We don't know.

He's like, you want to know who John Rocker is? He's a pitcher. He used to pitch for the Atlanta Braves. Really? Yeah. Let me tell you exactly what this dude is. He said a whole bunch of racist and homosexual stuff. A whole bunch.

Racist and homosexual stuff. Jamie! You know, I heard about this John Rocker, and if he's saying a bunch of homosexual stuff, then he's saying a bunch of homosexual stuff, then, uh, he's not. I think it was, uh, it was, uh, I don't even know what TBS means. Was it last week? I think someone had a comment of like, Oh, I can't believe you did talk about where Jeremy says he did a bunch of racist and homosexual stuff. I was like, just give it a week.

Give it a week. What a line. What a line. Unbelievable. Crazy. It's a crazy quote. John Rocker has pushed back hard against the allegation of saying a bunch of homosexual stuff.

Yes, he has. Certainly has. He certainly flat out categorically denies it. Denied thumbs down. No, did not happen. Do you know what's great in this scene is obviously Julie is upset. Natalie and Jeremy are pissed. Natalie's the one who's like, she still has her loved one.

We're the ones who should be mad now. And like, everyone is kind of like raging and Julia is off on her own. But I think like a really good bit of storytelling that happens here on screen is the camera just like very briefly is on Missy in a way that makes it read like Missy, like with like her history of like having these like failed relationships that went South for whatever reasons that like, she is not loving this moment of everyone like trash talking Julie's spouse behind her back that like despite who and what John Rocker is, that there is a side to it that is represented by julie in this moment that missy does and so like the camera's just like on missy and then we follow missy to like go to julie uh and i think for julie mcgee it's a tough spot i mean my friend john

this whole season is a tough spot for julie mcgee I think uh but I think like it's it's just really good storytelling with like that arc of Mother Missy uh that's like going across the season that's gonna have like a really dark ending to it from Reed obviously later on um but I think like a storybook a fairy tale would you say yeah I think that he I think that he's like he's reading the wrong storybook or at least there's another side to the storybook. If you flip it upside down, and I think you get a little bit of that with Missy in here. That was something that I clocked that I thought was really good. So it's a new year. You know what that means, setting big goals. Maybe you promised yourself you're going to hit the gym every day, or maybe you said you're going to learn to make fire with

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and it continues over on Exile Island that Wes had to pick somebody to go to Exile Island in his stead and to go with keith uh he picked wes uh i'm sorry he picked josh uh wes picked josh uh and he said look i get along with uh with josh so i'm sure my dad's gonna get along yeah yeah they'll click uh and josh is like we're clicking we're vibing we're spitting like we're hanging like we're just we're just two guys

yeah and then Keith what does Keith say like we don't have a whole lot of people like Josh where I'm from it's like was it was was Keith nailed like the final Rudy was he the final Rudy I know like Joe Del Campo and Rudy have their commonalities.

Was Keith like the final person in Survivor who could like get away with this? Who else? I have to think. There might have been other people who did get away with it and we just didn't see that footage. But I'm not sure necessarily in that same way. But you know what?

I think one of the things about Keith is like sort of like going through this season in a lot of ways feels like just like a way to honor Keith and to think about Keith. way to honor keith and to think about keith uh and i think like um the like the the moment earlier where he's talking about how uh like uh i probably should say this on camera about like whooping west or like even this moment a thing about keith these are like not great things uh but he he like in like especially like in 29 we're not that far removed and perhaps even within this season are still in like mactor world uh of just like hot hires for the show and like keith like puts the reality in reality star like he just does not have any speed other than whatever the heck he is. That's who he is. This is him.

He cannot be anybody else. And the way that he speaks to the camera just feels authentic in a way that, um, you know, the truly great survivor confessional givers, I think are able to master. Yeah. It's just him.

Great moments with Keith and Josh and how Keith ends up getting the clue for the idol back at camp. Josh gets the blank paper, which he describes as toilet paper. Yeah. You know, the only thing that this blank idol clue is good for is, you know, toilet paper. Yeah. I would hang on to that in the new era that gets held on to and someone like tries to do their best calligraphy and turn that into a thing sure in the old you need a pencil if you ever back in my day we saw a blank piece of paper

we wiped our tushies with it right yeah all right so back at coyote strategy truly has evolved it has evolved um back at coyote they uh show a little bit of john rocker catching fish and similar uh john rocker and rome are both uh providing for their tribe in different ways did uh did rocker do some night fishing it seemed like that he was coming back i think that maybe the camera technology um it might have been like a twilight more so than night i doubt he was fishing at nighttime because it looks like it he comes back with a little fishy and he's like yeah and it's like dark yeah we're just swimming out there under the moonlight catching fish yeah i think he was probably cutting it pretty close to uh you know uh when the sun was going down and came back and so uh you know the lighting uh camera's not as good as they are uh in 2024 and so uh how many of those

fish do you think he ate to himself i didn't get the sense that he did i think that they would have done anything to bury john rocker in this episode and i think that had he been misbehaving in any way i think that uh so he gets a kinder fish at it than rome got yeah um so meanwhile we're seeing baylor trying to work on maybe a fishy for baylor uh this week, trying to pull in Alec and Wes to vote with her and Jacqueline. She's hustling out there. Yeah, while Josh is at Exile Island. Do we know yet when we, the people, become aware of Sticky's situation?

Right around when. Yeah, so this is a great point, because I think that really would be a great companion piece to this is that it would be great if we had a person, maybe a couple of people, that could be like doing a re-listen to some of the podcasts from this era. I've been trying to keep up with,

I listened to the Know It Alls the first two weeks, but I did not get the chance to do any additional podcasting. I mean, the Jets. 10 years ago. with uh i listened to the know-it-alls the first two weeks but i did not get the chance to uh do any additional podcasting i mean the jet 10 years ago jets firing their coach today uh didn't help the situation was that a good choice uh i think that it was i i i will give the fishy to woody johnson today great great so 10 years ago you had antonio on the podcast to do voicemails on his birthday. Yes. Happy birthday.

Happy birthday, Antonio. His birthday. Yeah. Yes. OK, so it would be great if you're interested in helping us out. Listen to the know-it-alls, listen to the podcast, any other nuggets that we could take in like a West Nail. That would be wonderful. in like a West Nail,

that would be wonderful. We, much like John Rocker's preferred fishing time, would love to knight you. We would love to knight you and dub you one of, if not our soul, San Juan del Sur. Our San Juan

del Sur-igate? Yeah. We would like you to be our San Juan del Sur, our knight in shining armor who can go back and plumb the trenches of war. You go back as like a page. You know where we are in the book? Here, this is helpful.

You ready? I actually pulled this up earlier today. Go to weknowsurvivor.com and go to page 176. And you will now find yourself very handily. I will say, I think there's an easier way. I think that in the sidebar of Ravah has a website.com.

When you look at the post that there's a drop down and you could go to any month in the history of uh rhap and you can go back to october of 2014 and see all the podcasts we were doing at that particular time yeah the way i'm doing it is more akin to like trying to spearfish at night yeah don't do it yeah go in the day okay all right well we would love to night you so let us know hit us up all right let me see if i could um find out who got who got the fishy award uh that's a that's a people that's a that's a that's a people search you're looking for yes okay i don't know if um there was a there used to be a chart that we used to have of like who got the fishy on

what day. But I, I wonder if Steven gave it to Joe. I suspect he gave it to Josh. I think he did. I think more than he gave it to Baylor. Okay. I think he probably did. All right. So how about our immunity challenge? This is where things get testy. Yeah. So first and foremost awesome challenge great challenge do you agree or disagree um i thought the challenge was just fine not a challenge that you would see on modern day survivor maybe that's part of this uh maybe that's part of this

for me is that it just like feels very distinct from anything you see anymore uh there's no like huge feat of athleticism followed by an equalizing puzzle uh i think a thing that maybe they've gotten away from and maybe this is just way too difficult to do while we're committed i the royal we while they are committed to the three tribe format these head to heads are really working for me and it's good in like certainly like a blood versus water season where it's like you're trying to like uh like uh get like you know engineer family drama and stuff like that um but i think like these like match-ups like these like mad scrambles where there's like sort of like a timer element almost right like i think like there's something like so like competitive about that yeah that like

the the great equalizer is like the match-ups So we don't just have to rely on like physical, physical, physical, physical puzzle. And then like everyone just gets to the puzzle at whatever stage and whoa, a roaring comeback from behind. You could just like have like the matchups be the wild card. More like this. I really liked this challenge. And then it gets hella dramatic. Yes. Okay.

So that the people were tethered together a la joel and chet and so you had to go through i don't know if they call it a tough nut uh but it's basically like a kind of like some kind of like a jungle gym type situation where there's a bunch of sticks and you had to go through get a basketball and shoot the problem was that if you missed they need to go go through the maze uh constantly on the rebound also there was a little bit of an attack zone element to this challenge i don't really know the advantage of doing so but josh if uh you know we are tied together if we pass another duo crawling through the maze we can just hit them as hard as we want yeah i don't know what that buys us but we too

are getting slowed down by hitting them but we can check people if we feel like it forget hitting rob i'm going i'm biting i'm gonna be a little biter down there you get your little feet scrambling past me i'm gonna take a bite and then you're like ah what the hell you're not supposed to bite me you're an adult and i'd be like yeah but i'm also now on the other side with a basketball and you're too confused because you got bit on the foot. Yeah, that's my move. You don't want to put me in the attack zone. Yeah, I'm not taking Josh to the attack zone. Feats of strength.

Literally. That's how where Josh gets his strength from your feet. It's my feet. Yeah. All right. So it comes down to grapple checks that go down. And like, was this I missed this. Was this something that Pope said? He's like, yeah, you that go down uh and like was this i i missed this was this something that probe said he's like yeah you guys can rough it up i don't know in the first

challenge also that there's like a little bit of a scramble that they could have like had like checked each other i don't know why they were going for that so hard this season um but they are going back and forth uh john rocker uh he checks reed uh pretty hard in this challenge yeah he starts it he starts it he's done and then and then like uh coyopa starts to feel the bloodlust really like it starts to like permeate through the entire tribe that like alec and wes cannot wait to just like punch natalie in the leg on the way like this, this is what they want now. And like Dale, once again, from the rafters, is just like, yes! We need that!

Now, Wes, he's from the South. They still hit. They still whoop. He checks Natalie pretty hard in this challenge. Yes, he does. Yeah. And so she's fired up by the end of it when they win. Yeah.

Okay. And so everybody is like really just like frothing at the mouth over John Rocker. First off, what he did to Natalie and to Val and then also his reputation and maybe those two things

are also sort of like feeding off of each other and so they've had it with John Rocker. Just vote him out. Get together, and vote him out. If you were a man, I would knock your teeth out. Oh, my God. Knock me out, bro. Knock me out.

I'm not scared of you, bro. I'm not scared of you. What an asshole. Ten years later, what an almighty a-hole. Yeah. You were a man. Knock your teeth out. What a,

what an awful, awful man. Mm-hmm. What a terrible guy. Yeah. And then by, and every, they're going back and forth.

And then, he's like, oh, but you don't know him. Like I do. And then he's like, you look like a dude and i knock your face off like what are you talking about man john rocker says uh hey let's

let's go take all the stuff down let's fight take all the stuff down john rocker if you were a real man you'd walk through the stuff yeah why why can't we do it why can't you over there? Why do we have to take the stuff down? You don't have to take down my stuff. We got to do a whole other, like, I don't know if we're going to use this challenge again in worlds apart, but we'd like to keep our options open.

Why do we have to take the stuff down? Circumnavigate the stuff. Yeah. You don't need to remove the stuff to have a fight, but also don't have a fight yeah but it would be iconic if jeff's like all right guys come on we don't say that anymore but like he could say that at this time guys come on in take down the stuff yeah yeah they're gonna fight they're gonna fight yeah i mean if there was like a rule that the attack zone was always open yeah

at any time and that fighting was just allowed on Survivor. We would, there would be a, the potential cast for the medivac season would be robust. Yeah. Even more so than it currently is. Okay. So,

10 years later, we're not doing Fight Club. Not a great look for Johnny Rocks. He goes back to camp. And so there's a couple of ideas going on. Baylor's feeling like she's in trouble. John Rocker is in the bullseye. The names are coming for John Rocker.

They are. It's starting to happen. Josh and Rocker have a moment where Rocker, who's trying to defend his reputation and confession, is like, well, Josh is my closest ally. It's, what is it? Actions versus accusations. The title

of the episode? Not an ideal title. No, probably not. And so he's like, but I got to beat these accusations. And so what I'm going to do is vote out another girl. You know, that's that's what I'm going to do. And he engineers this whole plan to tell Jackie and and Baylor to Jacqueline and Baylor's Jacqueline, not Jackie and Baylor to put their votes on Dale. And like the unbelievable irony that Dale is going to be like the only one blindsided other than Rocker by the Rocker vote.

And Rocker had Dale as his decoy. But they don't want to do that. They want to do what Josh wants to do, which is let's chop down Rocker. Take him out. Yeah. So John Rocker does tell us in confessional that he regrets the comments that he said. Mm hmm. Yeah.

And look, you can quibble. Was 2014 better or 2024? Which which is better? But in 2014, John Rocker said he regretted the comments that he said. Yeah. What do you think now? Is he still online?

Yes. Does he still tweet? John Rocker in 2024 says, I stand by my statement. Are you right? Oh, his original statement. We're still back. Is that an unverified

John Rocker? It's real John Rocker. I'm pretty sure this is the real guy. John Rocker, Twitter, Checky. I mean, I guess it's possible. Okay, well, how about this? He's kind of active active if that's the real john underscore rocker rob without looking how many followers does he have oh i already saw

470 maybe maybe okay maybe it's not the maybe it's not the realer. With that being said, I'm pretty sure that his Instagram with 4,903 followers, that appears to be him. Yes. This appears to be him, the real John Rocker. How's it going? When did he last post? 295 weeks ago.

Okay. He was with a woman who does not appear to be Julie McGee. Okay. Well, he's not with Julie McGee. Julie McGee is with somebody else. Yes. I also went to Julie McGee's Instagram earlier today.

Yes. And was wondering if, because I didn't know this, if she and John Rocker were still together or not. No. And in scrolling through it at first, I kind of thought maybe she is because the person she's with kind of looked Rocker adjacent.

And so this was a picture of them at Halloween. It was a picture of Julian. I believe she's uh she's married i think she has a family so uh i thought this guy might have been john rocker for a second and then she totally has gone in a different direction yeah she's like ah those guys were right ultimately those guys are right yeah yeah all right so so he stands by it he stands by it yeah he stands by it and i stand by calling him an awful person. Here's the wrinkle.

John Rocker, he has an idol. So that's going to be a little tricky. He mentions it so casually. It's almost like he forgot. It's like, and I have an idol. So like, it's fine. And Josh is out here saying, well, Josh is out here saying he wants to play with honest people.

I want to play with honest people. And like Rockerer's done a couple things that are sketching me out this is the first i'm hearing of the idol but josh he is telling you about the idol is that not like sort of a valuable thing also like everybody seemingly uniformly hates John Rocker. So like, I guess my question for you, Rob, is especially, you know, hindsight is 2020 and like you can't go back. Yeah, I think it's 2014. But we know. Yeah. But we know that Josh will be the first juror. He will he will go home early in this battle of the wits with Jeremy.

Does it break a different way if John Rocker with an idol who appears to be fairly loyal to Josh and also appears to have enemies up and down the beaches of Nicaragua? Was this the right move? Was it? Did they got John Rocker?

Yeah, I'm wondering. I think that they just feel like that it's gotten so toxic that I feel like that there's no other way to go. I mean, and I guess ultimately that like Wes and Alec are on board with it, but initially at least Alec doesn't seem like he wants to do this because he's a meat collector and John Rocker is a whole lot of meat. Not so sure he wants to give that right up.

Valuable. I thought I found a different real John Rocker Twitter account, but this one has less followers and has for many years been posting exactly one thing about how he keeps going to Burger King and how he keeps getting diarrhea. Well... It is a gimmick that went on for years. Yeah.

How far back? Can you screen share this this you really probably shouldn't um okay but from uh the period of like 2013 to 2017 yeah um this john rocker twitter account annual no no like multiple times like times through the years. Talking about went to Burger King and then soon thereafter a post about horrible diarrhea. So wait, these would be like two separate posts? Yes. That like first post would be about Burger King and then what, like hours, days later? I don't know. I don't know what's like. I don't know if these are deep fake John Rockers. I don't know. I don't know what's like. I don't know if these are deep fake John Rockers.

I don't know. I don't know anything. That all the John Rockers on Twitter are all crazy, are all bad. All the John Rockers on Twitter are off their rockers. I have to be honest. I cannot tell you with full certainty that any of them are real. Wow. Wow.

The greatest trick John Rocker ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't johnny rocks so twitters i don't know i don't know what's real and what's not but that's that's that's the case in 2014 you knew what was real and what was in 2014 you had a fairly solid sense of what was real and what was not 2024 i don't even know who the real John Rocker is anymore. I don't know what's going on. I have nothing. I have nothing. I have nothing.

The Twitter is lying. It is lying. It's not even Twitter anymore. It's a mess. Yeah. Much like John Rocker after Night of the Burger King. Whopper, Whopper, Whopper, Whopper. You know, if that is the real John Rocker, it's good.

Hunapu, Hunapu, Hunapu, Hunapu. Yeah, he's having Hunapu. You know, if that is the real John Rocker, it's nice to know that he's occasionally right right about things you go to birching you get diarrhea that's right that's still true in straight up you told me to vote dale right on camp wow wow is right because you did own it own it own it own it yeah own it okay so one other moment that i want to highlight uh from the tribal council you know it's interesting on an episode we talked about uh that the circle of life and wes and keith um jeff asks wes about the vote tonight what are we going to do at tribal council john rocker's been talking about the leader

and what should what should we do jeff asks west this question she's saying it may not be our best plan to get rid of jack london or baylor tonight does that concern you not really really i feel like my alliance we got a game plan and that's probably what we're gonna stick to okay stick to the game plan oh look at that, I bet we clocked that during the evolution of strategy. I don't know. Somebody needs to go back and listen to that. Yeah, we need to get our San Juan del Surrogate on it. Yeah.

Yeah. But we didn't play the sound clip. Yeah. No, no sound clips. We had a product to sell. That didn't feel legal. Yeah, but now who knows? Now who knows?

There are no more rules we're done with them we're done we're done uh that's great west coins it uh also an observation that i had about west nail in this episode was that he's like quietly jacked uh like he's cut he's a big boy yeah he's cut he's like like ripped. Like there's definition. Yeah. All right. Guess 2024 Wiggler is still objectifying the survivors. That's okay. Like a lot of them like it. I don't know.

I probably shouldn't do it. You know, if some of these guys that you're saying are, you know, are very defined. Yep. If they are objecting to that, you know, are very defined. Yep. If they are objecting to that, then we can stop saying it.

All right. I won't say it. I won't say it anymore. Okay. And then John Rocker goes home. Yep. What is what is Baylor saying in her confessional? She has something like really quick to say about John where she's just like,

stop it already. What does Bay say i forget exactly what her what her like finish him line is to john rocker but it's like very tight and like she's very clearly annoyed this is an interesting tribal council rob because like uh you've the show has given you zero reason they've given us nothing nothing to believe that there is that there's any alternative to one of two paths either john rocker plays the idol and doesn't go home or john rocker doesn't play the idol and he goes home so everything just like hinges on the moment of whether or not rocker is going to play an idol and then like they still try to do like the dramatic tribal council like music they're like and it's like whoa maybe something's happening baylor's names come up twice but like there's no drama in this moment at this point um baylor says you are

negative yeah that's it you are negative i feel like that could have gotten some play today you are negative uh like it's just like a good thing to throw up at people like don't come at me you are negative I'm cutting you from my life you are negative I just took a bunch of photos and brought them to the dark room

you are negative you are negative not anymore now that you're film. Now the photos are made. Yeah. Yeah, they've got a bunch of great quotes over in the Survivor wiki also for actions versus accusations.

Uh-huh. We love that. We love that. Hugely into that. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Yep. And John Rocker said in his final words that this is going to be a souvenir on the mantle now they didn't send john rocker's idol to ghost island josh should they have you go to do you want to like uh do you want to do that, Rob? Do we want to Erica the Hourglass and like put John Rocker's shit on Ghost Island? You just got John Rocker's immunity idol

that he didn't play. When is the last time Probst or Survivor has even acknowledged John Rocker was on Survivor? I mean, I don't think that they talk about it. I don't think that this is a thing you know what i i really feel like um like you i get the energy from jeff during rocker's time on the show that like he doesn't love him being here if i had to guess knowing the little bit that we know about like uh you know how jeff sees the show. I'm going to guess that this was maybe like a, uh, maybe a Lynn Spillman pick more than a little bit of a, above his pay grade,

like a, you know, foul mouth villain from pop culture. Like, okay. Right. Right. And obviously like trying to fill out the Culpepper role,

right. Uh, from, uh, the OG BB Dubs. So like they go for that, but I don't think Jeff particularly likes this guy. Yeah.

Maybe one of the reasons why Jeff has like historically not been super high on this season. Well, I think that probably like, you know, there was probably a lot of like looking at the season as it was filming and a bunch of people in a producer's tent saying you are season as it was filming and a bunch of people in a producer's tent saying you are negative uh to like the actions and the behaviors of some of these people um but damn if it doesn't translate to compelling tv all right bye johnny now next week we've got

an all-time classic yes yes yes whether or not the san juan del sor 10-year anniversary makes it the distance is up for debate but i have two things that will happen we will make it to the westdale nugget eating competition for sure and we will then obviously certainly make it to next week, which is basically the most badass episode of San Juan del Sur. Yep. The Drew Christie elimination. Okay. Just a little peek behind the production curtain.

Josh and I are going to be recording that one a little bit early next week. So if you want to be our San juan del sur our san juan del surrogate uh we're gonna need to hear from you before saturday yeah yeah yes yeah because you're traveling you got things we got the live show coming up in new york so that's right one we haven't told you on the live show already last week one week in the future you'll be hearing all about the night that Drew Christie went home from Survivor, but I will be making new memories with

our patrons at our special patron meetup. Cool. Do you want to anticipate any of these memories? Do you want to predict any of your new memories that you're going to make? Impossible to say, but I'm hoping that people carry me around the room in a chair like it was my bar mitzvah.

That's not real. There's no way this was a thing that really happened. In the 70s, they put people in a chair. In the 70s? And wheeled them up to the baseball mound. I thought I was predicting my memory for next Tuesday. I thought that you were calling back to what you told me at the start of this podcast, that they put people, they put pitchers and chairs and wheeled them up to the mound.

Oh, in the seventies that they did put people in the bullpen car. That's not real. That's not real. I don't believe that at all. Let's see. I don't believe that for a second. And also like, if you're about to show me an image, there's no way I'm just automatically going to believe it because of ai again can't trust anything so you may not you shouldn't even bother history of bullpen carts youtube is it like a tuk-tuk would keith drive honestly it is like a tuk-tuk like uh here check this check this out history History of bullpen cards. Okay. History of bullpen parts. Oh, cards.

It's a long video. It's a long video. And then so like a tuk-tuk, you know, here's the Mets one. It looks like the Yankees would drive people out to the field in a Datsun. Datsun. Here's a pitcher getting out of a car. This is ridiculous. Use your legs. Like, just walk

there. Yeah, it looks like the Mariners had a boat because they were Mariners. Is it because these pitchers were so focused on arm strength that they always skipped leg day and they couldn't make the walk to the mound? All of your leg strength will be walk to the mound. Hmm. All of your leg strength will be dedicated to standing upright.

This is what they give the pitcher. And the fans would love it, I think. I don't understand this at all. And then John Rocker's like, I'm running. Yeah. I'm running. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Well, there you have it, folks. of san juan del sur yeah 10 years later has it right carts should be for hot dogs not that's right grace is right as usual uh as usual oh we had another comment here from uh ryan who said i bet you all aren't doing this podcast 10 years later if they don't take rocker out here. Do you think that's true? If Rocker continues on does he win? Maybe good for Josh's game, but is it bad for podcasting because then

we are the ones looking at the season and saying you are negative. I think he could make it a couple more weeks and I think Survivor would have been fine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's I think it's fine. Yeah. Yeah. We lose a lot if we lose I think it's fine. Yeah. Yeah. We, we lose a lot if we lose, uh,

uh, Baylor here though. So I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, my life is fine in this reality that we live in,

at least as far as survivors and Wanda is, or is, uh, concerned. Okay. All right. Okay. Josh,

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original joaquin phoenix i never watched it joker i never walked joaquin did he never walked he never walked the joaquin dead uh so uh there's another Joker movie out. And apparently it's about as good at being a movie as John Rocker was at being a survivor player. So hear Grace and Taryn talk all about that over at WeKnowScriptedTV.com. Plus the weekend program. Plus TV for real. Down the hatch. The Penguin is being recapped. And plenty more in the future would love to see

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