RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor San Juan Del Sur Ep 4 | 10 Year Anniversary

Episode Date: October 15, 2024

It's been 10 years since Survivor San Juan Del Sur and Rob Cesternino (@RobCesternino) and Josh Wigler (@roundhoward) are back to talk about it! Rob and Josh will discuss episode 4 of San Juan Del Sur and compare it to the new era of Survivor.

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that sounded like So, um, basically I'm a badass. And it was ten years ago that it was episode four of Survivor San Juan del Sur. Josh, happy week four-y. I nobody loves week

four-y more than your boy, Josh Wiggler. Oh my God, the Drew Christie ballad. week four-y more than your boy, Josh Wiggler. Oh my God. The Drew Christie ballad. Hot four-y. Hot fire. Hot fire. Hot fire.

Yep. Wow. Week four-y. An episode that is hot fire. Across the decade, I would say. For the history books. Yeah. And I would say that maybe the first like classic episode from the San Juan del Sur rewatch.

I mean, there's been some incredible vibes to go back from 10 years ago. But this was, you know, an all-timer to watch Drew Christie and watch just 42 minutes of all about Drew. It's been called the ballad of Drew Christie this episode. It's an incredible song. I love this song. It's a ridiculous, ridiculous episode, just a monument to this man's willful exit, self-termination from the game

from a few different angles. We go in on Drew in several different ways in this episode. And it is just such an explosive flame out that is never like, I don't know, explosive might be the wrong word. It's a hilarious flame out. It's just very, very, very, very classically funny. And one of the funnier Survivor episodes. But Rob, when Survivor 47 was on this week,

I spent a good chunk of that episode thinking, whoa, are we getting the Ballad of Rome, the Fall of Rome? Are we getting two of these very kindred spirit episodes across this decade? And we didn't quite get that. But there was a moment where it really felt like uh like this is like uh like survivor horoscope stuff rob like you really gotta read

a star chart for this kind of thing yeah and we never got that rome was trying to throw the challenge from survivor 47 uh this week but there is an alternative reading of the episode where you certainly could assign that, but, uh, Rome himself has never said that. Well, you know, you, you could then, uh, Rob theoretically say that if, uh, you know, we're taking Rome at his word that he didn't throw the challenge and we're taking Drew at his word that he did throw the challenge. But if we're leaving open the possibility that these guys aren't telling us exactly the truth, then for Drew, that would mean he just really sucked that day. Yeah, he sucked that day. He sucked on that one. Yeah, he sucked on that one.

Yeah. All right. So, Josh, how are you doing? I'm doing great. Very excited. Of course, thrilled that we are not only on RHAP celebrating 10 years of San Juan del Sur, Rob. We are also celebrating 10 years of Survivor Cagayan and how. Yeah. Well, that's the sister project to what we're doing here was that. So we decided to go through Survivor San Juan del Sur episode by episode. But earlier this year, I also was sort of moved by this idea of it's been 10 years since Survivor Cagayan. And there was an idea that I had about like, could we do some kind of like oral history of Survivor Cagayan?

Because not only was the season so crazy, but the entire cast is they're all wild personalities top to bottom and you know could we reach out to all of them and so it started off like was it a podcast we didn't know what to do with it and so uh i had sort of been like you know something that i will do and i've had good results with this and also bad results with this sometimes i'll just like put it out there not necessarily that i'll manifest it but i'll just start talking about a thing and see you know who who might be interested in helping uh and really casting a line not unlike the great fish master drew christy would have right right and then you know, you could, some would say maybe setting a trap, but I'll say Casigal. And then we ended up working with, with some very talented producers in Dr. Amanda Rabinowitz and Lindsay Wilson and Matt Scott, who really collaborated to work to track down a bunch of the willing Survivor Cagayan participants and

podcasters and Survivor alumni. And we put together one documentary. It's called I Stand Cagayan. We're going to have the world premiere coming up in person in Philadelphia on October 28th. And then we will share it with the world on Tuesday night, October 29th. So that is the sister project of the 10-year anniversary of Survivor, Cagayan. It's a blast. I love RHAP adopting the real great streaming model of like, okay, well, here on San Juan del Absurd, we'll stick to the Coca-Cola Classic Weekly, but we're doing a binge drop on you when it comes to Cagayan.

And really, it's not a binge drop. This is like a literal feature length documentary with tons of talking heads from the cast of Kageyan, from surrounding the cast of Kageyan, other alum, people on RHAP. I've gotten a chance to check it out early and it's fun. It's really, really fun to go back in and relive that stuff. I think like in the very same way that what we're tapping into here with this podcast series is just like a great nostalgia for this thing that takes us back to a time when RHAP was just heating up and Survivor was actively changing. And now here we are a decade on with like some really tangible results of what, you know,

the seeds that were planted back then. Seeds, baby. You know, the seeds, baby. When the seeds, baby, were just seeds. Yeah. You know, and they've like top five seeds, baby. And like they have, they have borne fruit now.

And so I think that there is this real feeling of like you get a lot of value out of looking back at this. Tony's ladder. Tony's ladder. That's right. So I think that there is this real feeling of like you get a lot of value out of looking back at Tony's ladder. Tony's ladder. That's right. So I think like going back and checking this stuff out has been really, really fun and doing it in this very unique way on I stand Kagi on some really fun secret stories that I hadn't heard before. So, yeah, it's going to be out pretty soon and people can come check out the premiere. And let me just say, if you love this podcast, you're really going to love this. Uh, like for, you know, if you, if you love, uh, what we do, then you're really going to love what we do.

I think that's right. I think that's right. Uh, what one for the base for sure. Uh, is I stand cocky on, this is for you guys okay all right uh you can check out that trailer on youtube go search for i stand kagian all right um josh here we are san juan del sur and uh it was october 15th 2014 the world uh was shocked to see drew christy i don't think there was a lot of hints that drew christy was going home in this episode in the real time. I think that this was a slow motion car crash for drew Christie. Sure. Uh, you don't think that it was, you think it was or was not evident? I don't think it was. I don't think that there was a ton of clues that he was going to be the person targeted by the group.

Uh, even by the end of it, you don't think i feel like you know coming into this episode coming into the episode sure i do think like they've done a decent enough job at this point establishing that drew gets on certain people's nerves um and what we don't know at the time but you can kind of appreciate after the fact is that uh it's the winner of the season who's the one who's kind of getting a good hate into Drew directly. So, like, there's, like, you know, there's stuff that's baked in there

to lay the track for it. But the thing is, is, like, we haven't really had this kind of conflict on Hunapu yet. So it's really, it's not just, like, the ballad of Drew Christie, but in a lot of ways, this is a coming out party

for certainly, like certainly three contestants from this season who are going to go on to repeat on Survivor and Jeremy and Keith and Wentworth. I feel like there's a lot that happens in this one. Well, Jeremy had really gotten his close up already in San Juan del Sur. I think we became very close

with who Jeremy was. And even that Natalie, she also had her two times on The Amazing Race. We kind of knew who Natalie was and even that Natalie, she also had, you know, her two times on the amazing race. Like we kind of knew who Natalie was and we met her maybe, uh, tangentially through her sister being voted out. But this is also the first time we really get to see Kelly Wentworth. Yes. Uh, another way in which this episode, uh, comes full circle with the episode that aired 10 years later right I mean you know from

from out of nowhere Genevieve pops up to take a stealth shot I think you could say something similar here for Wentworth and that makes this a really interesting moment in the Genevieve discourse where we don't know the future but we do know the at least you know a good chunk of

Wentworth's future, uh, story is perhaps yet to be finished. Uh, but you know, it's a really interesting, I think, um, you know, uh, frame to look at Genevieve through and Kelly through as a result. Well, with all due respect to Kelly, like, I feel like that this episode was not necessarily like her master stroke. I think that it was, uh, really you hear Missy, I think is the first person in the episode to say that, like, what about Drew? And then the women come together.

What was so interesting about this. And, and just in regards to Kelly, I feel like that the entire, like second chances season is more of her, like a coming out party in terms of like coming out of nowhere to have like her, her big moment,

which doesn't really even happen in this season which is uh so interesting about her story but for sure that what's interesting now and i don't even think we knew this to the degree at the time that we recorded the evolution of strategy drew christie's whole thing is the mastermind is kelly kelly where and everything what what are you talking about he's like yes she knows the show she's going to be the person who is the she's the best player we have to get rid of her and everybody's like you're crazy yeah what are you talking about and and that's the wild thing to go back and watch this is that true christy christy was right was a prophet he was a prophet yeah and we wondered about this this is one of

those moments where like i couldn't quote it verbatim but i know if you go back and you check the tapes and you listen uh not not brian cumbles our tapes. If you go back to chapter 28 of the evolution of strategy, we're wondering this very question because we don't yet know how Wentworth does on second chance. And we certainly don't know that like she'll come back for another pretty impressive run, like a little later on. We didn't know.

We just knew that she got voted back on and the possibility for Drew to be proven right or wrong was there. Whatever else you want to say about Drew Christie, at least in this one instance. He was right about that. Now, also in the same episode,

in the early going of the episode, he tells us at home without him, these people would be nothing. On a tribe with... These people would be nothing. On a tribe with... These people would be nothing. Nothing. Yeah, yeah.

And for us, we know he is lying. He's lying. Because he's on a tribe with three all-time greats in Natalie, Jeremy, and Kelly. But according to Drew, without him, these people would be nothing. They'd be nothing. They'd be nothing um i'd love to test that i would love to test that uh except for the fact that i think time goes on to test that

and drew christy was wrong yeah drew was wrong on this one yeah Yeah, it was wrong. Yeah. OK, but speaking of Drew being wrong, remember when the Hunapu tribe lost the Flint and then they traded their Flint for some of them? They tried to trade some of them farting beans to get a new Flint. And Jeff said, no fishing gear. No, I'm not touching your farting beans. Yeah, that Flint is alive, if not well uh just like in the fire pit uh and the hot fire pit uh and this leads to drew being like fire all right i'm going to uh you know make a move here i'm gonna ask uncle jeff if we can't trade the flint that we found that the or the flint that we haven't even used yet,

if we could trade that for, you know, some of the fishing gear again, and everyone's like, please don't do it. Please don't do it. He's going to hate all of us. He's going to hate what you said.

It's going to wash out. He's going to penalize us so hard. Don't do it. And Drew's like, I got the courage to do it. I got to do it. I got it. I got to do it.

Come on. It's like, it's like that kid who's like hand is like that kid whose like hand is like uh like on like uh like the stove and like has like their hand hovering over a pot and they're like don't touch it yeah don't touch it and the kid goes hot fire so it has to touch it i saw this a little bit differently as opposed to like a kid i feel like that this was more like a kid is with their parents and uh and and the parent is like you know i'm gonna feel like this was more like a kid is with their parents. And the parent is like, you know, I'm going to say something.

And the kid is like, oh, my God, Dad, do not do that. Oh, my God, you're going to embarrass me so much. Do not do that. You're like, I'm doing it. So I think I'm going to balls up and be like, work with me, Jeff. He's going to balls up. He's going to balls up. Got to balls up. He's going to up. Gotta balls up. He's gonna

balls up. Are you calling in that metaphor is Drew Christie father? Dale adjacent, maybe Daddy Christie. Wow. Yeah. All right. We hear about Daddy Christie in this episode. We do. It's very hard on Alec.

Don't half-ass it. Yeah. A lot of expectations of Alec, but not a lot of expectations of Drew. Yeah. You know, I guess since we're talking about it, you know,

it sounds like the Christie household, like might not have been, I don't know. I, I'm of two minds because I feel like that, um, that tell me josh yes tell me this okay yes okay um i was talking with somebody recently um and i was talking about how like uh for most people that achieved greatness in some field had a parent that was unrelenting.

And Alec Christie is saying like, dad knew Drew wouldn't amount to anything. And that's why he was hard on me. And he would tell me, hey, don't half-ass anything. And that's how I'm going to be on you, Baylor. I'm your dad now. And that's how I'm going to be on you, Baylor. I'm your dad now.

But that for Alec Christie to achieve all that he has in his life, that maybe dad Christie needed to be hard on Alec Christie. Without throwing shade, has Alec Christie achieved greatness? Nobody knows. He washed all the cars while Drew was sleeping in bed, not amounting to anything. Yeah. He's a meat collector. He is a meat collector. You know, in another universe

I feel like Drew and Alec could be the subjects of like a Ryan Murphy American series. Like I feel like they've got Ryan Murphy, American series. Like, I feel like they've got that energy,

that dynamic. Yeah. I would watch that monsters, the drew and Alec Christie story. I would check that out for sure. Yeah. And would Ryan Murphy talk to drew and Alec ahead of time? I'm not sure.

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. All right. So let's go to Hero Arena. Sarah Paulson plays Missy. Hero Arena. And at Hero Arena,

we see that John Rocker is gone. And the edit, I feel like really gives like, shines the light on Natalie here. They like close up on her. Everybody's like, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. She's pumped. And then Julie has like a very subdued reaction. She's like, it's fine. I won't know him in a couple of years. john yeah my boyfriend oh yeah she always my boyfriend john is there a super cut of my boyfriend john somewhere out there i'm sure not yet i don't believe not yet someone put it together uh but no she doesn't seem to be all that upset

but are the wheels starting to turn in julie's? No, because I feel like that famously she quits to go be on the pre-jury trip with him. Right. That's what I mean. Oh, the wheels are turning into an exit? Is there like, you know, she seems like really stoic on the outside, but internally is there like, I'm not going to make it. I can't do this. Is that starting? I don't know.

I mean, she's kind of down in the dumps like she's pretty down overall like i feel there's like a lightness around her for the first couple episodes but i feel like she's not fitting in she really kind of like fades into the background of this episode i think pretty quickly yeah and i think that jeremy and natalie i think that um i don't know what their relationship was like so much uh. I think that's probably not bad. But I also feel like that they really were the most vocal people of anti John Rocker. Yes, correct. Absolutely.

One hundred percent. Right. OK, which is hard because I believe that Julie is like aligned with them. Yeah. Yes. Allegedly. Allegedly. Seems like most of the people there are aligned somehow.

I don't really. Yeah, whatever. We can get to that later for sure. Yeah. I think think it's like okay uh that there's a lot of sub alliances in this a lot of sub alliances it's like jeremy is working with all the women and then they're sort of like okay um you know reed is around also we don't really see where he is too much pre-swap and then uh you know it's pretty much kind of like drew and John there. They're a little bit in the, uh, Ryan Aiken and Dan Lou role of like,

sort of like, okay, what are these two knuckleheads up to? Do you see Ryan Aiken when you look at Drew Christie? I think that that's probably a similar, uh, I mean, they're both models.

Is he pretty cheap in the Ryan Aiken sense? Drew Christie. Could be, could be. I could see it. Yeah. So Josh, we,

um, get another attempted exchange. Okay. Uh, we talked about that. Kelly didn't want him to do it, but he's doing it. He's going to do it.

The old Flint, they found it in a pile of ash. jeff could we trade the flint barely use and get the fishing gear or some of the fishing gear what does he what does he say exactly it's something to the effect of well i'm gonna bring nobody else on my tribe had the courage to bring this up the courage the heart of the lion within drew christie to have the courage to bring this up. The courage, the heart of the lion within Drew Christie to have the courage to bring this up to Jeff, Rob. Really incredible. I do think that there is something to like,

how are the negotiations in Survivor being altered right now? Like, this is sort of like, this is the basement, right? Like, do we go lower than this attempt at any point? Or is this still the basement, right? Like, do we go lower than this attempt at any point? Or is this still the basement? We ever see somebody make a low ball offer to Jeff like this. Yeah, this is, I mean, like Angelina's offer is, is like almost, it's like the, like, it's like too thought out. Like hers is like way too calculated.

And Drew's is, I mean, I guess in like with drew math it's calculated but you know what i would say that in the other negotiations seem initiated by jeff like jeff will say like all right here's what i need from you i have this i need this and let's go and somebody'll be like what about like uh you know what we'll give you uh like a some fart and beans uh and you're like no no i need something better come on yeah yeah come on uh but this was the first time i think that a deal was pitched by one of the players and jeff's like oh okay all right yeah and then he's like messing with them he's loving it he's loving it or or he's like really hating it but like and like he's getting like his real mustache twirly villain on right now but uh it's not gonna fly certainly

uh there's no world in which this is going to fly with uh with papa probst uh and i love that how how i love how authentic this scene feels because it it of it for me, it really helps like cement the iconic status of this part of the ballad of Drew Christie. Is that like like everyone starts groaning when he starts like bringing up the negotiation and he like looks at them. He's like, hey, let me finish. Like there's like there's like like a part of this that was rehearsed. But like the like the well rehearsed plan is starting to get laughed at. Let me cook. Yeah, exactly. And so it feels very lived in.

He feels a little flush on the other side of getting rejected. The whole thing doesn't feel like a sketch. It's one of those incredible things that only reality TV can do, which was a quote from Saul in Survivor 47 this week. Is this real life? Yeah. Yeah, I have that, but I don't have it ready to go for you. Fair enough. Fair enough.

Yes. I liked your David at the dentist. Yeah, it's Saul after Rome. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Is this real life? Is this real life? And so, unfortunately for Saul, it was. It was, unfortunately. More unfortunately for someone else.

Yeah. Okay. How about this? Is this real life, bro? This is Survivor, bro. Okay. This is Survivor, bro. All right. What a wonderful cadence to that. This is Survivor, bro.

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Okay. Yeah, I think that's right. I think that's right. I think it's fair to observe right now for sure. Okay. Yeah, I think that's right. I think that's right. I think it's fair to observe right now for sure. Yeah. Yeah. He's just like in these challenges, just like hooting and hollering.

He's yelling at John. You throw like a girl. That's a girl's throw. He's like the guy in Happy Gilmore who keeps showing up. Ew, jackass. He's been the guy in happy Gilmore who keeps showing up. You jackass. He's been hanging out with John Rocker too much. And he's like somebody that would be like in a dunk tank.

And he's like, can you throw like a girl? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, like he feels like someone who like you would be dunking on for sure. And like,

uh, like epic justice served once he goes in. He's also like his celebrations are wild when he's wild in the challenge when they all the when drew christie is throwing the challenge and he's like landing the life preservers he's just like he has his like physicality is insane he's so animated he's very animated uh uh just like unbelievably like like a wind up toy that just like moving all over the place Dale Wentworth yeah yeah for sure

John beats Jacqueline Jacqueline's going to exile island who should go to exile island with Jacqueline gotta be Drew Christie we gotta keep singing the song this song isn't singing itself we got to okay alright so Drew Christie the ladies man

Is gonna go That's what Jacqueline's heard Alec has informed Jacqueline My brother's a ladies man He's a ladies collector And so she has that Like going through her mind As she's there with Drew

Who John has selected Because he knows that like Drew Christie is a true bro. And so his true bro is going to is going to be like a good friend to Jacqueline. She's talking to him like us of Drew. Alex says you're a ladies man. And he's like, yeah, you know, it's it's it's a curse. It's a curse.

He tells us about being a ladies' man. The fact that I'm a ladies' man seems to work in my advantage, but I haven't been trying to work that angle too much. Okay. Jacqueline's definitely very attractive looking, but... There's a point where he's like... What happened at the end of that clip? She turns around and bends over, they catch him like looking at her.

Like allegedly like in her direction. But the editors. Attractive looking, but I'm not here looking for love. Definitely not one of my buddy's girls. I'm really out here just trying to strategize and manipulate minds. Yeah, I'm just here to strategize and manipulate minds. That sound, Rob. That's like the sound you hear in hell.

Oh, no. You don't like that? Oh, no, not in that context. I don't like what happened there at all. Yeah. I feel like it's a sound that we hear probably more often on Big Brother. That feels like a Big Brother sound to me. Just the limited exposure that I continue to have with this thing.

Yeah, we don't get too many boner noises on Survivor. Oh, man. I'm kind of surprised that there isn't a Survivor boner yet. I'm kind of shocked that there isn't a Survivor contestant who's like call me boner it's like oh no call me boner i feel like it's coming yeah um i this gotta be uh the sound from one of these one of these survivor seasons but we will just leave we'll leave that alone someone can let us know yeah okay actually here i could do uh let me see if i do a search um no i don't i don't see it nothing okay all right you got nothing nothing i have nothing uh all right so at xl island drew christy tells jacklyn don't, I'm going to throw the challenge.

The age old question of whether or not you should throw a challenge gets tested here by one Drew Christie, the ladies man himself. Yep. He's going to do it. He says, yeah, we're going to do it. We have we've got some stuff to resolve on our it. We have, uh, we've got some stuff to resolve on our side. And he's like, I've got numbers. You don't seem like you're in a good spot. I'm in a great spot. You know, this tribe would be nothing without me. So he feels pretty confident in doing this. Yeah. Overconfident. Maybe, maybe, uh, there's less snakes in his

tribe. Uh, so he needs to ultimately get rid of them why did it have to be snakes why all right so meanwhile back at hunapu keith is finally going to look for the idol speaking of snakes it's like a snake jumps out at him It's unbelievable This is another way in which this episode connects quite well with this past week's Survivor 47 That both episodes feature a really harebrained idol search Like kind of a spooky idol search In the case of Sue, it was a murder scene In the case of Keithith it's like a

little ghost story this thing like a little popped up and haunted him from the grave yep and so well um for keith yeah he he goes and looks for the idol first and he's like not here all right everybody bring it in jeremy's got it jeremy's got the idol yeah what do you think in his mind he was trying to do here is he is he trying to just like turn it on jeremy even though he and jeremy seem to have had like made some kind of pact i think that that's a misunderstanding of keith nail as a player i don't think that there's any forethought in how Keith is playing. I think that Keith is, okay, I got the clue.

I'm going to go look for the idol. Can't find it. Hey, everybody, Jeremy must have the idol. I looked for it. I couldn't find it. So just so we're all on the same page, Jeremy has the idol. And he's like, well, let me retrace my steps.

Let me double check. Like, I don't think that it was so much like, I think it was like that he was processing, well, accidental bell, processing that. Okay, well, if I don't have the idol and I can't find it, then Jeremy must have the idol. Sure. Yeah.

So yeah, he goes ahead and he does all that. And then the idol jumped up and scared me a bit. Yeah. So literally just like, it just kind of like pops up. Meanwhile, Reed relays this information back to Jeremy. What the hell? What the hell, bro?

Yeah. You know, you're in my alliance. That frustrated Jeremy is so fun. It's so good. It's so good. It's really great. Like I'm, I love when Jeremy is able to be like cool,

calm, collective Jeremy, uh, and like be like an incredible strategist and player in the game. And I think like he learns a lot of really important lessons in this season that then translate to that second chance win. But man, I kind of love suboptimal Jeremy,

suboptimal Jeremy, who's just like being like frustrated and calling people out. It's a great, great, great. It's a great vibe. And boy, Jeremy is such a fun.

He's such a great character because he's great. Exasperated, but he's also great. Like joyful. He's great. Like emotional. Like he'll cry, you know, that he just like is all of the feels. Yeah. Yeah.

All of them. Every last one. He's a very like emotive player and like, uh, like all of the different sides of Jeremy are all good TV. Yeah. That's the thing is like, he's like a Swiss army knife. Like, all of the different sides of Jeremy are all good TV. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's the thing, is, like, he's like a Swiss Army knife. Like, there's, like, a tool for every moment. Like, he can, like, he can, like, he's just, he is really expressive.

He's, like, he has a lot of gravitas. Yeah. And, like, when he's talking about Val, certainly in Second Chance, he's got, like, the strategic acumen, he's got like the strategic acumen. So he's a really good narrator for a lot of those big plays. He's very real. He's great.

He's very authentic. He is very, very real. He's very raw. He is like one of those true greats of this time period, certainly. Really one of like the iconic players for sure. Okay. So meanwhile, we have this very odd scene at Coyopa.

We touched on it where Alec Christie is going to, he's going to teach Baylor a lesson because that's, hey, my dad was hard on me, so I got to be hard on you. Well, you're not my dad and we're also playing Survivor. What are you doing? Yeah. This is so weird. She doesn't like it at all uh the i'd

forgotten that there's like we get into like sort of this like really weird missy and alec dynamic yeah people are gonna start thinking they're a couple like sam and what's her head on that other i don't know i'm not paying that close attention. Yeah. All right. So we go back to the challenge. Drew Christie is going to throw the challenge and we get confessionals from drew like before the challenge. I think that maybe you could count on one hand, the number of times that survivor has done this device, maybe in Kagean,

they did it when we see the brains trying to throw a try uh i um i feel like that that's the only time they do it when somebody's trying to throw the challenge that we might get a confessional uh in the midst of it yeah they need to set up what the stakes are and like what we should be watching for and what we're watching for is like is this going to be a throw or is this not? This is where we either now or right before this, we get the iconic Drew Christie quote, I imagine. I believe that that happens when he gets back after the challenge. So they threw the. So Jeff is like apoplectic during the challenge when Drew christie is like taking shot after shots like no no not that like drew christie's like letting the life preserver roll between his legs like uh it is

and he's like oh usually i'm good at this stuff i don't know what happened to me today yeah uh just like full benny hill music in the, like just like really hamming it up. Yep. Which, you know, leaves the other tribe feeling so good about themselves. They were feeling very good. I hope I finally gets one. A win's a win,

Rob, even if I, you know, if they're going to play themselves to our benefit, let them do it. Why not? Yeah. Drew Christie tells us after the challenge.

So basically I'm a badass and a manipulator of this game. Yep. One more time if you don't mind. Basically, I'm a badass and a manipulator of this game. I feel like if that

was my alarm clock to wake me up every day, I feel like I would I could I like if that was like my um my alarm clock to wake me up every day I feel like I would enter every day so hyped yeah yeah like this game of life I'm manipulating it to my advantage I'm basically a badass like we should wake up with Drew Christie energy yeah incredible abundance of self-confidence I get those on my tiktok sometimes that so it's always like uh acdc like uh back in black and maybe this could be a like a alternate universe wand off it's like yeah it's like uh basically you're a badass you're a manipulator of this game. You're hot fire. The dad likes you the best. Yeah. Uh,

that, I mean, that is also heavily featured in the Ryan Murphy adaptation of, uh, Christie brothers. You're a ladies man. It's easy for you. It's a curse because you're such a ladies man,

but that's not what you're out here to do. You're here to be a manipulator of minds. You're the strategist. You're basically a bad-ass. So go out there and win this game. You're carrying Jeremy and Natalie and Kelly Wentworth on your back. They're nothing without you. A bad-ass basically. Is this like, who is this? Who's saying this? Is this like, who is this who's saying this? Is this like Drew's Jiminy Cricket? Jiminy Christie is like on his shoulder whispering this stuff to him? Yeah. Hyping him up.

Oh my God. How do you think he becomes such a good ladies man? You got to have like a little like hype cricket in your ear. Yeah, that's right. This is like his mystery. Getting out there and giving him all the vibes. Mystery and Jimiminy cricket both wore a similar top hat they had similar hats i do think that uh uh mystery is sort of the jiminy

cricket of reality television so a lot of this is tracking yeah i mean they both sort of had like a scarf and like a top hat like a similar look i think that he borrowed kermit's Kinos to build out his avatar. Yeah. So maybe there's some like wishing upon a star going on. Well, we're wishing upon a star in the making here in not just Drew Christie, but yes, now he is like, we got to get rid of Kelly Wentworth. She's the best one at Survivor. Trust me. I've seen the future.

I've been there. He's been to the future. get her out now yeah we don't if we don't get her out now we're jeremy you'll be in for a run for your money you gotta you gotta take her out now yeah you gotta take her out now okay so desmond he's like been shocked into the future and like he could like see some of this stuff now the other thing that's interesting here is that there's a little bit of talk and we saw in the original blood versus water and Jeff is still at tribal council talking about like, uh,

okay. Fourth person voted out of blood versus water. Like they don't even call it San Juan del Sur. They're just calling it blood versus water here. Uh, that did not, it did not stay. It was hollow.

And so that John is like, Hey, like the vote is going to be we are going to take out julie julie doesn't have a partner that all of the pairs need to stick together this is what we should do all the people that have a pair should stick together andrew chris is like no that's not we're not doing that uh no way uh yeah you're like well who do you want to get rid of like kelly the person that's running everything the mastermind wait what it's her he knows yeah and he's like saying this like in earshot of kelly yeah she's like uh like two

paces away uh she's like right at the shelter. They're like, maybe like actually five feet away from the shelter. And Drew Christie does not seem to have an inside voice other than Jiminy Christie. Yeah. And. Everybody's like,

what, what are you talking about? Like, did he even think that they had the votes to do this? I think he thinks that he's able to whip them together, Rob. I think he's whipping the votes. Yeah. He's got a very emphatic, impassioned sales pitch to Jeremy.

Yeah. As to him. He ends up being the only person to vote for Kelly Wentworth here at this vote. It's a wild vote. We'll get to tribal council. There are five votes for Drew, the four women and Jeremy, but Reed and Keith vote for Julie.

John Mish votes for Keith and Drew votes for Kelly Wentworth. So four different people in this tribe of nine get votes. Four out of nine equals out for Drew Christie. Wow. Did the episode live up to the hype for you? certainly did for me oh for sure for sure i mean i think there's still more more to go yeah yeah so we see the women talking and it's um missy and natalie are the ones that

talk about like should we just get rid of Drew? Like, yeah, definitely. Definitely. Thrilled to do it. Thrilled to do it. Yeah. This is also a wild tribal council in this episode. We get the title for the episode of we're a hot mess that Natalie ends up saying it. Jeff is asking about the tribe

and there's discussion about Drew's discussion. I feel like this episode with respect, with a lot of respect, I have so much respect for Natalie Anderson. I feel like this episode, with respect, with a lot of respect, I have so much respect for Natalie Anderson, I feel like this episode could have had a better title, and it should have come from Drew Christie. It should have been one of his many. Whether this episode is called Basically a Badass.

Yeah, I think that if this happened now, I think that maybe we would maybe get that. Hot Fire, call it Hot Fire, you know? Mm-hmm. You know, The ladies' man. The ladies' man. That's what we could do. This episode deserves...

With all due respect to Meadows. Yeah, like, I am the ladies' man, Drew Christie. Get a glass of Kvasie. I'm basically a badass and a manipulator of this game. Mm-hmm. Like, I feel like the manipulator of this game. Like anything. Like there's so many great...

Anything. There's so many great Drewisms that I feel like I wish we could go back and rename it. Yeah. That's my only critique. All right. Well, there is a great conversation also

between Jeremy and Keith about the idol. And Jeremy brings up the... why are you telling people that I have the idol then Keith tries to defend himself germs up but we were working together why are you doing this and we get the germ he says like but we could have kept to the secret you and I we could have had a sub alliance but it's more than two people Jeremy could have kept it a secret. You and I, we could have had a sub-alliance. But it's more than two people, Jeremy. We could have two people in line and have a sub-alliance with everybody

else. We could have done that. We could have done that, Keith. That's a new one on me. That's a new one on me. Why like the gong and the sudden shift to like the dark music there? Yeah. Who are they giving that to?

To Jeremy? Let's hear that again. It's with everybody else. We could have done that. Sub Alliance. Okay. We could have done that, Keith. That's a new one on me.

Wow. Yeah. It feels like the Grim Reaper got a hold of the organ for a second there. That has like this like really like spooky like dong, dong, dong. Sub Alliance. Yeah. has like this like really like spooky like dong dong dong sub alliance yeah and I feel like he says that we could have had a sub alliance with the rest of the alliance like I feel like

we should be like strike that reverse it right like Keith and Jeremy are the sub alliance is what he's pitching yeah but probably not ideal to say that at the tribal council with everybody no Jeremy no is what he's pitching. Yeah, but probably not ideal to say that at the Tribal Council with everybody. No!

No! Jeremy, no! Yeah. Don't do it like that. Not perfect. His life is totally fine. So, you know, let him stumble here so he can run.

Yeah, that's right. Okay. So, then people are coming to Jeremy's defense a little bit of like, no, Keith was telling everybody that Jeremy had the idol and Natalie breaks out a Keith Nail impression. It wasn't like, I think Jeremy has an idol. He's like, I'll tell you one thing. Jeremy got that idol. Jeremy got that idol. I'll tell you one thing. Jeremy got that idol. Jeremy got that idol.

I'll tell you one thing. I love it. A lot of their voices are so melodic. Jeremy got that idol. Wow, we really could have won. You're stuck in wand off mode. I can't get it out of my mind. We owe the people one soon enough, I think.

I'm fit to burst uh i'm ready to go yeah and so more episodes drew christy ultimately in a wild vote uh gets that we end up with uh we have one vote drew one vote julie one vote keith one vote kelly right and then it's five Drew. Hot fiver. Hot fiver. Yeah. Drew says that in his final words, he said, I knew all along the girls wanted me out of there because I'm obviously a physical and social threat to them. Congrats to them. They did a great job getting me out because in the long run, I definitely would have beat them. I just wish I had been a little bit more chill and kind of roll with the girls rather than kind of gone against them right away because it turned out to bite me in the butt.

Hindsight's 20-20. It is. That's what they say. They keep saying it. Yeah. And so there you have it. Yep. Drew Christie gone. Alright, so then we had

asked last week to get some folks, our San Juan del Sur's, our San Juan del Sur gets, a couple different people reached out and offered to help with that project. I heard from

Danielle Mathis, who said that she would be up to help uh we also got uh a word from uh we don't want to make sure i'm giving all the credit to andrew larson said that he would also help out but since we're recording early, the person that I got notes from, it was Josh Green. Josh Green, okay. But maybe not the Josh Green that you're thinking, maybe not the first Josh Green that comes to mind. Okay.

We have two Josh Greens. Double Josh Green. Double Josh Greens, okay. Twin twist. Josh Green or the Natalie and Nadia. Got it, okay, okay. Okay, all right. Is there a difference in how the Natalie and Nadia. Got it. Okay. Okay. Okay.

All right. Is there a difference in how they spell green or is it exact same? It's exactly the same. That's going to be really hard on me. But I appreciate your efforts. Yes. From one Josh to another. Yes.

Okay. To another. All right. So Josh Green writes in. Both are from Philly also. It's also very confusing. Okay. It's a lot.

All right. Bryson. Both are from Philly also. It's also very confusing. Okay. All right. So, um, Josh Green listened to the know it alls and the podcast and had some, some interesting takeaways. Okay. All right. Uh, said in 2014, I, I called Drew Christie, um, way, uh, a horrible player. a horrible player. Uh-huh.

Yeah. I said that there were two Dodo tribes. Two Dodo tribes. Yes. This also attracts. Yeah. Stephen Fishback gave the fishy to Natalie Anderson. To Natalie.

Pretty good. I can't disagree. I might say Missy, as she says at first, but... See, this is why I can't be... She was good with the guys and the girls, according to Josh, reporting on what Steven had to say in 2014. I could never hand out fishies,

because I would have handed it out to Drew Christie for this episode, for sure. Josh also noted that we commented on how Natalie and Nadia had the same strategy of getting all the girls plus one guy together, except Natalie's strategy worked. And I said that it was basically like survivor was doing an science experiment. Can we put identical twins in a season where one is the first person voted

out and the other one wins the game? Look at you. Look at you. Look at you. That's a 31 minutes in the know-it-alls, Josh says. That's like Drew Christie's powers exiting his body and entering yours. And you now can see the future of Sam. Josh says, I said, Drew Christie is one of the top 10 worst players ever. Do you still hold to that?

Would you say one of the top 10 worst players ever? I think that when we get into like worst players ever do you still hold to that would you say one of the top 10 worst players ever i think that when we get into like worst players ever like uh that i think there's certain criteria and i think that it like drew fits all of them of like you get voted out in the first the first time you go to tribal council you get voted out it happened to me one time okay so it's not necessarily many great people happens look okay but also you're a big strong guy yep in a tribe that you know uh like make could you know there's still some sort of like um uh you know advantage to having strong people around so you have to be especially bad yeah so he also threw the challenge to go home yes thought he was a mastermind like uh i i think that he is one of the worst survivor players we've

ever seen uh but an incredible survivor character yeah would you would you be up for drew point oh would we do a a sequel to drew christy so put him back out there yeah um i don't know i don't think it would necessarily hold i don't know what we would necessarily get different i don't think he's in the mix for survivor 50 that feels like lisa simpson's nightmare and uh one of the one of the the digits going down we're wishing on the paw here yeah i feel like we put drew back out there and this episode doesn't i don't know if it goes great so then the recap i did a episode that was it was a recap slash voicemail episode yeah you had uh uh eliza and bryce eliza and bryce all in one pocket a loaded

podcast uh over two hours long and so first off off that, uh, Steven, when I plugged that Bryce was going to be on the podcast, Steven said he was really great in the exit interview last season. I'm glad you can get him on a regular episode. Uh, and this is for Bryce's debut as a podcast guest. I believe also we're going to get into the first freakiest freak and the origin story of Farm Guy 69. Yeah, Dale is the whatever else you want to say about Dale Wentworth and his history with Survivor. He is the first.

The grandfather of the freakiest freaks. Also, all other freaky freaks stem from the godhead that is Farm Guy 69. Josh also alludes to that. I mentioned that there was a brand new app called CBS all access that you

could, we'll get it for five 99 a month to get all of the old seasons. So happy 10 year anniversary to paramount plus still. Wow. Do we consider paramount plus to be 10 years old um probably not i think i gotta rebrand right yeah yeah how far did cbs all access make it i'd say maybe like 2018 2019 it's not a bad run you know as far as these things go yep okay you know as far as these things go yep okay so eliza had some hot takes shocked yes eliza had some hot takes uh eliza eliza did predict that julie would quit because apparently there's a

preview yeah okay eliza also said eliza was pretty heated about people throwing challenges And she still is to this day Eliza also said Even in 2014 She was making comments about how Survivor Has gotten too easy Too easy Even in 2014 Yeah well savor the flavor here This is the hardest

Eliza has been rather consistent On a lot of her viewpoints Yes yeah She stays the course okay and overall it was a banner week um we did a we did a walking dead survivor uh you and i played survivor the walking dead because i think uh the Walking Dead must have been coming back. Yes. And so this was before we did all of our survivor simulations through Brant Steel. This one was just basically us dumping out a bunch of Walking Dead action figures and

making them play Survivor at our whim. No spoilers. Fun podcast. Okay. And how did we do that? did we determine it we just like like we talked it through we tried to be logical yeah we tried to like logically like like figure out like okay well rick and the governor are never gonna work together you know and like face it out that way yeah eliza also had another hot take um and eliza said natalie has way too big of a mouth to be strategic

whoa and said from the edgic perspective she's not cp she's ott whoa i don't know what cp means a complex personality is that what it is it's a i think but i'm not a hundred percent sure i'm not a huge edgy guy yeah uh the complex personality look at you so so eliza the edit read was off said not that this is not uh cp she's ott yeah are we all i guess but not maybe not ott n yeah and so that might be it. O-T-T-P? She was down with O-T-T. Yeah. We know Natalie. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Okay. All right. Also, I asked Eliza, do you think that Drew might be right and Kelly could actually be a good player? And Eliza exclaimed, no! Wow. Wow. Wow.

Shady. Yeah. So, okay. But that's what's fun. You know, we don't know. Did Eliza vote for Wentworth for second chance, do you think? Probably. We shouldn't, we shouldn't ask.

I don't think it's right to speculate. Yeah. But I guarantee you, you know, go back 10 years from now and listen to the Survivor 47 episode 4 recap. There's probably a million hilarious things that we got wrong. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Probably wait 10 weeks and listen to it. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. Okay. That's how it goes, you know. This is Uh-huh. Yeah. Okay. That's how it goes.

You know, this is a fun segment. Rob, this is an exercise in putting yourself out there, right? Sure. Podcasting and when you've been doing it as long as you have, there's bound to be receipts. Yes. So we like to comb through them.

We should be so lucky to do something that 10 years later people want to listen to. That's how I feel. I very much feel that. Yeah. All right. Next week, we get the swap. Yeah.

A tale of two swaps. It seems like we're getting some kind of twisty swap coming this week on 47. So we'll see how these two things line up. Yeah. So and then we say goodbye to Kellylly wentworth 1.0 i know such a bummer bummer yeah yes okay all right josh we'll be back together uh in one week's time of course make sure to uh subscribe to everything we're doing here on weknowsurvivor.com.

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Can I play it for my kids? Is it inappropriate? I think you get an unnamed shout-out, but I guess I'm revealing that you were the guy who I wouldn't dox and said that your kids really liked The Simpsons. Yeah. But I think that they could listen to it for sure.

I'll start with Dominic and see if it'll hold his attention. You can vet it first. I don't think that we do any F-bombs. Maybe we'll listen to it in the car. Sure. Yeah, that'll be great. We had such a fun time talking about it, though. So that's all over at the weekend program. Also this week on Down the Hatch,

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now spotify thinks i like music and that's it plays for me last riz miss i gave you my yacht and the very next day you sigma oh what the hell i hate that i hate? I hate that. I hate that. I hate that so much. You screwed up my algorithm. Last Rizbiz. I gave you my Giat. You gotta stop saying that. It broke my algorithm.

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