RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor San Juan Del Sur Ep 5 | 10 Year Anniversary

Episode Date: October 23, 2024

It's been 10 years since Survivor San Juan Del Sur and Rob Cesternino (@RobCesternino) and Josh Wigler (@roundhoward) are back to talk about it! Rob and Josh will discuss episode 5 of San Juan Del Sur and compare it to the new era of Survivor.

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Alec, let's start with you. Your bro's gone. some emotion. Alec, let's start with you. Your bro's gone. Where's the bedside manner, Jeff? Wow. Was that what it was like when I dipped after Island of the Idols? Were you like, my bro's gone? Yeah. Rob, let's start with you. Your bro is gone. Your bro's gone mental. But he's back. Josh Wiggler. Wow.

Oh, my gosh. How to follow a ballad like. I just audibly laughed this morning. Alec, your bro's gone. Your bro's gone. Unbelievable. I love Jeff's San Juan del Sur energy. I had a thought about this today watching the episode as well. I really think from my experiences with Jeff, and I think that anyone who watches the show and knows Jeff's proclivities would attest to this.

proclivities would attest to this. Like, he loves it when you're, like, really psyched about hashing it out, that you're here for the hardship, that you're here to push yourself all the way along. Yeah. And these Hunapus, these stupid Hunapus, keep asking for the moon. Like, you know, if they had,

there's no world where these guys were getting 18 chicken eggs. That was never happening for these people. You know, I they had, there's no world where these guys were getting 18 chicken eggs. That was never happening for these people. You know, I think that really, if we were going to define Jeff Probst, I think that perhaps the best scale to assign Jeff to might be the scale of the tongue. And I feel like that there is a taste bud.

Yes. A taste bud matrix well i i it is now uh because i think that we've you know we get we get spicy jeff uh we get we get sweet jeff at times but i think here in san juan del sur i i feel like that we have salty Jeff. So I just Googled the scale of the tongue. You can get a tongue weight scale from Amazon, which I guess is tongue weight scale. Yeah. That's, there's like this, like, it's like this little like tongue looking thing.

Tongue weight scale. Put your tongue on to weigh it. Hmm. I don't think that there's a really good way to do that. But yeah. The scales be tipping. The scales be tipping. They be tipping.

The scales be tonguing. The scales of the tongue be tipping. But I think you can get bitter, Jeff. Yes. My favorite is Umami, Jeff. How has there not been a tribe name? Umami. It's common.

It's common. Missy is Umami. She's not a girl. She's Umami. And Baylor is her daughter. Yeah. All right. 10 years ago tonight, Kelly Wentworth ends up being voted out of Survivor here on, if you're just joining us, every week we've been celebrating 10 years of San Juan del Sur as

it is synced up in the same calendar week. We get episode five of Survivor 47 and episode 5 of san juan del sur and 10 years ago on this very day october 22nd 2014 was when episode 5 aired and we saw kelly wentworth voted out and we said all right well we'll probably never see her again and that's that that's that she seemed nice yeah that was cool. Man, she probably- Definitely not a survivor legend. God voted out tonight. Yeah, it was like, oh, well,

didn't we just last week go over that like she was the deadliest player in the game? And like, okay, she's fifth boot. Okay. Seemed great. Seemed like she would have played well without her dad around. Yep.

But yes, I don't think anyone is sparing much thought with respect to the incredible kelly wentworth uh when she goes but then she becomes like a fixture of the survivor internet and a great friend to rhap and i wonder if you have memories of like your exit interview with Kelly Wentworth like your initial your very first ever conversation with Kelly no you know what I honestly I don't recall too much from it and I do have some notes back from uh the uh San Juan del Surrogate the San Juan del Surrogates uh both from Daniel Mathis and also from Josh Green, who went back and did some incredible work listening to the old podcast. But no, I'm not I'm not seeing anything that's particularly notable from my conversation with Kelly.

She would go on to become Miss survivor right um uh well i wasn't ready for a quiz uh i believe that's correct uh what i i believe i i think natalie won it oh but she was like a real yes yes she campaigned hard and she like came on to rhap in like a major way and uh i don't know how much of this is what ends up like i don't know rob like i'm so glad that somebody sees something behind the curtain that we don't really get to see on screen because if it's going based purely off of TV, like, I don't think that like there's any really reasonable thought that Kelly is going to make it onto the second chance ballot to begin with,

let alone secure a spot, let alone become the fallen angel of survivors and go on to be one of the most cited survivors. I want to play like of the 30s, certainly. And I don't know what it looks like in the profiles of the new era, but I wouldn't be surprised to see she still comes up. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, Kelly has, I mean, you could do a whole podcast about everything that's going on kelly and her rise to power and how she you know uh she campaigned for uh miss survivor and i think that like i i would say probably more than anything

um she sort of like built an email list of people like it just so happened to be a uh you know a good scenario for there to be a vote coming right after that yes um she she definitely she definitely like coalesced a base uh you know something happens that has got very little to do with the show and a lot to do with i think i think that kelly i know we're starting at the end here but like i think like the show doesn't give you a ton of Kelly content even in her final episode. And I think that's part of this point that I feel like with with Kelly specifically, she kind of becomes a really good example since the podcast is really lit at this moment in time. We've got exit interviews. We've got like spots for, you know, we've got we've got spots to like have people come on for voicemails for recaps for all of this like Wentworth I think becomes like a great ambassador of like well why didn't they show me more of this person on the show and so I think

like becomes like a bit of like a survivor internet darling through that yeah also like I mean through her own social media not just only through the podcast, you know, she built a following coming off of this. And so I think that Kelly's to this day, she's all over TikTok and is like very, very good with interacting with the fans. So I think that she was just like cutting her teeth at this point. And this was like a good season for her to be able to have commentary on it. And it just was very fortuitous that the fan vote is coming up. Uh, in,

so this is November, I'm sorry, this is October of 2014. And they're going to start figuring out that fan vote in the spring of 2015. And so it's this, and all the Miss Survivor stuff was in, you know,

like February of 2015. Yeah. She, she ends up having like a really uh like significant tale uh on the other side of getting knocked out here uh so it's a it's a largely happy ending uh for not just kelly but uh all of us because of everything that she ends up bringing to the table um and i think like the trajectory of san juan del sur itself i think uh with again great respect to kelly basically like it's fine uh you know we lose kelly now we'll lose dale next week and that will be even more eventful uh but like we're we're just like

gonna take a couple final shots at like what does Dale call Missy in this episode? Do you have that? Oh, you know, I have it quoted. I didn't pull the quote. What does he say? What he says is. Dale's quote, not Rob. Yes.

Dale says, she's a self-centered, bossy bitch. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. So we clean that attitude right up after next episode. Get that right out of there. Dale Wentworth. Yeah.

Fun episode. Another way the synchronicity between the decades, these two seasons across the decades. We get a tribe swap in this one. Yep. We have like a brief tribe flirtation. A tribe flirtation? What's that?

It's like the Survivor Social, where they go to the sanctuary where good things happen. Wait, that's Survivor 47. I know. That's what I'm saying. It's like across these two episodes that they synced up decently well. Yes. Okay. So this is the first time we have the tribes interacting in a certain way. Yeah.

Yeah. And then we also are going to have in this week's episode of Survivor 47 the attempt the successful attempt of getting the eggs. Here we are going to have the to be determined attempt at getting more rice. And then I also think that Kelly and Anika's hair looks very similar as they both get voted out.

They both have like the like sort of like the buff around and they're just like the long hair coming down. I don't know. Yeah. Reaching maybe reaching a little bit on this one. Some of our other episodes have synced up a little bit better than this. Okay. Um,

we'll talk about the, uh, San Juan. So, uh, any other thoughts on survivor 47? Uh, not at this present time.

Okay. Uh, how was the thing though? How was the stuff? Yeah, it was great. It was great. We did Joe.

Yeah. I don't think we had any San Juan del Sur alumni, uh, in the building, unfortunately for us, but, uh, yeah, very yeah very uh lively crowd and uh very fun show if you didn't get a chance to watch it uh check it out we had a uh really i did i i think my our most ambitious uh video recording yet multiple cameras so uh big uh big shout out to Giovanni that did our video for the live show.

Let's talk a little bit about. Can I just also say quickly, like not your last live show of not just the year, Rob, but the month. Yeah. Got another little live show coming up. We got another big live show coming up in 2014 with such an important, pivotal year. And of course, we're talking about San Juan del Sur now, but also Survivor Cagayan.

And we could have just as easily, if we thought of this idea, done a podcast every single week to match up with the Survivor Cagayan episode. Instead, we did something- Can we do that next season instead of worlds apart which is might be funny to do worlds apart uh let's see it could be funny to be honest yes okay so uh what we have been working on all year long you know this idea started out as i was like oh

could we do like an oral history of survivor kagian and i started uh to get some reach outs from different people. And so I ended up working with the team of Dr. Amanda Rabinowitz, Matt Scott and Lindsay Wilson. And we have brought a series of interviews with Survivor Cagayan cast members, podcasters, Survivor alumni from other seasons. Worth playing for? I think worth playing for. For a feature-length Cagayan documentary

slash retrospective. Really, really, really super fun. If you were a Kageyan fan, which I imagine you were if you're listening to this podcast specifically, this is can't miss stuff. Really, really fun. Some great interviews

with a lot of people who we haven't heard from in a minute. Really loved this. And we're going to be showing it in Philadelphia next week at a live show. For you all out there in the world, you can watch this one week from tonight. We're going to be premiering this on YouTube October 29th. But we're going to have a very special screening, a little opportunity to get out there

and meet the community. And we're going to be in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, the night of October 28th. We've got a very special night planned. If you can be there with us in person, I'll be there. Josh will be there. I'm coming. Rob has a website.com slash Cagayan screening. We'll have some Q and a and it's going to be a very very fun night we'll screen the movie a movie theater movie snacks after party to follow and so it should be a very very fun night are available uh i think it's just like the classic movie snacks what would you get who probably gonna have to, I'm probably going to have to roll with some Sour Patch Watermelons in here, I think.

If they got them. I'll do anything sour. I'll get some sour. Anything sour? Just about. Yeah. I'll give it a shot. Okay.

All right. Sour is also on the tip of the scale of the tongues. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Okay. All right. According to Sam Moore, we're going to have a Survivor special popcorn and soda deal. Okay. According to Sam Moore, we're going to have a Survivor special popcorn and

soda deal. They have popcorn and soda on Survivor 46. That's true. They did have soda this week on Survivor 47. I can promise you this, folks. You come to the Survivor Cagayan screening or you watch it when we do its world premiere on YouTube on Tuesday night next week.

You will have a better time at this Survivor movie than Sophie Clark did with her Survivor movie experience in Survivor South Pacific. For sure. For sure. Promising that. Yeah, for sure.

No doubt. Okay. All right. So let's talk about this episode of Survivor San Juan del Sur. And of course, that we saw the Drew Christie boot was in the last episode. Keith Nail says it was a gnarly tribal council. Gnarly.

Yeah. Was it gnarly? You think? Well, the, the whole thing with Jeremy about the sub Alliance. Yeah. Yeah.

I would say gnarly, but like, like if it's sort of like gnarly bro, like I don't think it was that. Yeah. He uses gnarly as a negative. Yeah. As a bad gnarly. Yeah that Yeah he uses gnarly as a negative Yeah as a bad gnarly

Yeah naughty gnarly And then John Misch is like Uh oh I'm in drubs And he's trying to just like Oh Drew said Like he said you're either with me or against me And then he voted

And then he said that I had to vote with him Yeah he said count on it and like he like to be to be very fair to john mish he like completely replicates how that conversation went uh so like uh john mish in this moment being a very honest guy i think of like yeah i think he is a pretty honest guy like i don't think that he's like a dishonest uh player i you know what i love this season i really do uh like i adore this season and like for all the obvious and wandel sore reasons that when you haven't watched in a while you think about keith and natalie and jeremy and stuff but like all of the people who like either haven't gone on to come back or we haven't heard from in a long time, like everybody contributes to making this a really good vibes season of Survivor. I think put John Misch right on that list.

I love John Misch's energy. John Misch's energy is a great component here in San Juan del Sur. And I think his story seems to really activate in this episode. He's going to be with us for a bit, driving a lot of stuff. Yeah. Okay. Um,

tries to tell Jeremy's like, Hey, about that. Yeah. And Jerry's like, Oh my God. I don't need you. Yeah.

He's like, John, he's on an apology tour. I'm not falling for it. Yeah. He's exactly where he wants to be. Jeremy's like, John, he's on an apology tour. I'm not falling for it. He's exactly where he wants to be, Jeremy. Don't you love those confessionals when they show up and it's like they have to know like switch is coming tomorrow. Right. You know, like I just like do you ever think that the people who give like the real like confessionals like the hubris laden confessionals know that they're giving a hubris laden confessional yeah i kind of feel like that you don't do that because it's like you're only going to show this if it doesn't

work like i feel like it's like i'm sure like a lot of people have said things that are like that and then it works out and they just don't show it because it's like how does that work like what does the producer say to you? Like, all right, now can you give me a version of that? That's extremely egotistical just in case, like this isn't going to work out for you so we can ruin you on TV. Yeah.

Sure. You know, but yeah, Jeremy's just, it's the middle of the night drunk with power. Drew Christie is gone and everybody can finally sleep. Yep. All right, let's go to Hero Arena.

And so they call it the walk of Shame, Coyopa. We haven't heard about the Walk of Shame, I think probably since a different blonde, Kelly, back in Survivor Africa, had the Walk of Shame, or the Shameless t-shirt after they talked about. Lex said she did the Walk of Shame, but she got voted out.

But the walk of shame here is that, okay, let's bring in the tribe that voted somebody out last night. Yeah. So Alec gives a confessional leading into this too, where this is another one where like, was this days

ago? Or the producers being like, so Alec, when you get there later today, you want to go up against Drew? Are they just like priming the pump, getting him ready for like a little bit of a... He's ready. He hasn't had the chance. And Drew's hit him upside the head a couple of times. And so he's ready.

He's ready to go. But then he doesn't see him. And he realized he's been voted out. And Alec, Jeff Probst has some words for you. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he's very upset to hear this. A lot of shocked faces, some emotion. Alec, let's start with you.

Your bro's gone. Your bro's gone. And he's like, whoa. And, you know, there's a lot of shocked faces from Coyopa. And they're like, yeah, we thought he was good. And Kelly Wentworth was like, pfft. Yeah, a little bit of hubris from Wentworth in this episode. But Alec's world is shattered here.

Because he's like, well, they must have voted him out. Because he must have been such a big threat. I mean, there's no other reason why they would vote him out, right? Right? Right? Right? Like, the guy that you have on the ultimate pedestal of being the ultimate competitor that you're going to knock off his, knock from his pedestal one day, like, actually was, like, kind of a, let's see.

Let me, can I, maybe in 2024, I'll pick my words carefully. Okay, sure. Kind of a knucklehead? Let's call'll pick my words carefully. Okay. Kind of a knucklehead. Let's call him a knucklehead. Yeah. Or even a chucklehead. He's a chucklehead too. Yeah. No chuckles for me.

That is like the pantheon of manliness that you could never knock. This is your king. This is who you lay with, you know. This is your king? This is who you lay with? You know? And to find out that... Wait, he wasn't a huge threat to you guys? You voted him off because...

Wait, he threw the challenge? Alec is like Queen Amidala and the entire Hunapu tribe is Anakin in that meme of like, you voted Drew out because he was the biggest threat on your tribe. Right.

And then we just like cut to, I don't know about that. I don't know. Sand is coarse. I don't like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So this is the first time that we're not going to do a heroes challenge because we're going to shake it up. Yeah. But they have one set up. But they have one set up. They do have one set up. Is that the same thing that ends up getting done in the next episode? I don't know. It's like a little sneak peek.

A little sneak peek. Okay. Does that only get set up? Like do like Kierhofer and the rest of the team, do they have to like, like come up with like a dummy challenge to like create the visual that's going to throw everybody off when jeff says drop your buffs sometimes i think they'll have like some like just random junk like set up for the tribe swap and then it doesn't end up

being relevant but well let's keep an eye on that in episode six yeah because so i i've since caught up obviously i've seen everything from the new era but i watch it so fast that like it all blurs together for me and i've lost details already weeks out from having watched it so you who's been in the trenches week in and week out for years now when was our last tribe survivor 45 okay and before that's the only real one of the new era in survivor 44 they sent like they sent like Carson and Josh Wilder, not Josh Wiggler, and Jamie. Oh, sure. We count that?

I really wouldn't count that as a tribe swap. Survivor 45 had a legit tribe swap. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I miss this. I love the tribe swap. Tribe swap's great. Yeah. I was like, you know, I love the tribe swap. Tribe swap's great. Yeah.

I was like, you know, I liked the survivor social. That was cute. Yeah. I believe, actually, Survivor 45 and Survivor 35, I believe, is the only two times that they ever did a tribe swap that was three tribes swapping to three different tribes. Got it. Like, mixed it up. They didn't go from three to two. Every 10 seasons said we're gonna do that okay keep an eye out for 55 keep an eye out for 55 all right so all right your bro's gone we got new tribes here we go and it's interesting this tribe swap because we end up with um a tribe of all couples of all pairs the new hunapu

all the loved ones babysitters i mean i don't know if anybody's a baby uh maybe missy i mean she's there with her kids so she doesn't need an au pair and she's kind of a pairing baylor yeah the parents are there with their kids yeah so Dale and Kelly are there Missy and Baylor there John and Jacqueline are there they actually need an au pair because uh 10 years later John and Jacqueline are parents hey congratulations they're now parents too amazing amazing when's the last we've heard from John and Jacqueline not often I just looked up Jacqueline's uh Instagram and I I saw that they have a baby. That's looks like about two years old.

Let's get John and Jacqueline on the pod. Can we get John and Jacqueline on the pod? Yes. Okay. To hear from them. Yeah. So great. I love that.

I know we're, we're several episodes away from like kind of illuminating like their, their struggles with all of that. But I I'm so happy for them. That's so great. didn't know that i said and then keith nail who's another parent on the season he is uh separated from west so it's the three the three pairs and then keith and then over on hunapu uh we have jeremy and natalie are together but they're in with along with uh josh and reed reunited yep and then also alec julie and wes so it's uh it's the singles plus one couple then the couples plus one single and this ends up being i think like you know it probably it likely would have like drifted towards some version of the merge that we get anyway, I would expect.

But I think that this is like a real accelerant. Like at this point, like it's an interesting episode because up to this point, you got the sense that like Kelly and Missy were, you know, they were on the same page with the last vote, all of this stuff. But like this swap, I do think like really seems to kill those original tribal dynamics. Old Hunapu is DOA once we end up with some of the issues that are going on at Coyopa. And it's a particularly bad swap for Kelly. We'll talk that through. that through um so uh we see first though at hunapu that there is uh this you know underlying story of we find out here in episode five that the hunapu tribe just went ham on the rice through the first like whatever 12 days of the game they They ate so much rice. They went crazy.

They just had huge portions. All you can eat is like the Olive Garden. It was never-ending rice bowls. Coyopa really tried to ration the rice. These idiots. These morons.

Who am I talking about? The ones that conserved the rice or the ones who ate all the rice? I think the morons are the ones that conserved it. I, you know, all the, this was such a hot topic at the time, I remember. And like sort of this idea of like, well, what do you do? Did Hunapa just prove like, just like go to rice town? Just like, like dump the rice Jatia style except into your mouth like is this the move is this what you should do uh now this isn't even really a question because we're not

getting like starting food well i think that the players all sort of like figured out they adopted the uh hunapu strategy of like hey smoke them if you got them you got rice eat it yeah yeah if you got chickens eat them too yeah yeah unless you're very concerned about the mechanics of butchering the chicken and like having blood all over your hands and all the stuff that anika got into with you uh so you know maybe in. I didn't even know you listened to those exit interviews. I watched the video. I had a good time watching it. Did you notice me in my brother's bedroom?

Yeah, I thought that that was Danny's room. My brother's childhood bedroom. He had a good room. I was going to blur the background. I said, you know what, let's... No, it looked good. Yeah. It looked podcast ready.

Nothing like too embarrassing or humiliating on the wall? Well, we'll certainly go back and look now and double check that. What was your childhood bedroom like? Has that appeared on podcasts before? Well, my childhood... You protect that room. Well, my childhood bedroom, I do not have access to because that my parents moved when I was in. So that my parents moved when I was going to be in, I was what, like 13, 14 years old.

And so and then I had a couple of different rooms at my parents' house. Got it. Got it. Got it. So you were nomadic. Nomadic. You were like, you were getting tribe swapped. You were getting room swapped. I got tribe swapped, yeah. You had no room loyalty. You were a free agent

coming from room merge. Yep. So, unfortunately, we no longer own the house of my childhood bedroom. That's all right. It's okay. This is the same story

many of us have. But let's talk about the rice okay so they were eating rice turned out to be rice they were eating all the rice and now we find out that coyote was uh really rationing it so when jeremy uh i'm sorry when when like uh the rest of the people from uh jeremy was there at hunapu but when the likes of like j from Germany was there at Hunapu, but when the likes of Josh and Alec and Wes shoved like, hey, where's all the rice? Where's the rice? Where's all the rice?

Like, yeah, we ate it all. We ate the whole thing. Every last grain. They have like two coconut shells left of rice. So it's a little bit of a disappointment there uh meanwhile we get over on coyopa uh john is like we have rice he's like jumping up and down he's excited this is the best day of john's life yeah because he just gets to keep having a baby yes do you think that this helps um with you know john john's gonna make it he ends

up having like he benefits quite well of course from this swap he's gonna be with jacklyn again yeah he's gonna he's gonna last real deep into the game he was on the bottom he went from like the he went to the tribe he's the great girlfriend with all Yes, yes. This is a game changer for John Misch. My question is like because he was just plowing rice back at Hunahapu. And now here he is at Coyopa just being able to like fiend on this stuff. Just like, how is it?

Is he just like the most fueled survivor player there's ever been at this stage of the game could be yeah he's shot out of a cannon to some degree i don't know how you measure this but who on survivor through the fifth vote ate better without like major rewards than john mish that's my question That'd be a tough question to answer. You have to go back through the annals, but I don't really even blame John Misch though. I feel like that Missy is kind of just as a step out of a Totino's pizza rolls commercial.

Like who are my hungry guys? Whoa. Who are my hungry guys? Who wants more rice? Rice in the evening. Yeah wants more rice? Rice in the evening. Yeah. It's not delivery. It's the rice.

She's making it. Yeah, she makes healthy servings. I feel like I would be psyched to, like, if you went over to, like, now this is another question of, like, the Survivor San Wando surcast members. Certainly like whose house would you want to go over for a meal? And Missy might be really high on that list because the portions are going to get a big portion. You're going to get a big portion. I miss you.

So we'll we'll get there. We talk a little bit more about the rice later. Dale is pissed off. Yeah, that Missy and Dale is going gonna heat up like the rice in a little bit but all right so that john and jacqueline they're back together and baylor is watching on about uh this couple she says hey look there's uh look why can't i find my john i'm single my mom is single yeah uh just to call it back uh we're live, of course, on YouTube. A Star Wars dude in the chat says,

the Moto tribe on Fiji was pretty well fed. I would qualify that, though, as a reward beneficiary, right? Like, I think that that's like... They had the French press. Yeah, you know, like, they benefited from a major, like, the central twist of that season.

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we see Jeremy and Natalie talking. They're talking a little bit about Alec. Alec is a little high on the hog now. He's really starting to contextualize. Yeah, his bro is gone, but he's like, hey, I beat my bro. I guess I'm the best. I guess I outlasted Drew, and he was the best,

so what does that make me? Yeah. I do feel like sort of like the survivor soul of Drew Christie just like escaped like a gasp from his mouth as his, his torch was snuffed and it like soared through the night and hovered over to Coyopa camp. And as Alec Christie was sleeping. With his mouth open. He just like inhaled like.

Yeah. It just got like taken over. Like what happens to you when you commune with Casey Kasem. And yes, the hot fire consumes Alec. And so Alec now gets to keep, he gets to be the ambassador of the Drew Christie energy. And so now Alec Christie's awake. Natalie is like. That's a great ambassador of the Drew Christie energy. And so now Alec Christie's awake.

Natalie is like, you know, Alec, he's not that different from his brother. He's exactly the same. And Jeremy and Natalie are like commiserating about this, but they're like, we need him. We need him because the singles, we are going to need to band together. And this was certainly a big deal in the original Survivor Blood vs. Water. And so Jeremy and Natalie are feeling like, okay, we need to pull Alec over to our side because if he goes with Reed and Josh, that's going to be bad news for us.

And Jeremy has an iconic plan of how they're going to do this. As a firefighter, we have this thing called surround and drown. Surround and drown is if you're fighting fire on a building and it gets out of control and you can't even go inside anymore, everybody stay outside with their hoses, surround it and drown it. That's what we need to do.

We need to just drown him with the water of the singles, you know? It's interesting. Like, all right, we need that guy on our side. Let's drown him. Yes. Now, this sounds great. This sounds like a great plan. Surround and drown.

I don't know if they really have the firepower to surround him. I feel like it's Jeremy and Natalie and EB, Julie McGee here. So it's not really going to be so much as surrounding him. The water of the singles. Look at the, you know,

in the earliest going of their time together as the ghostbusters, Peter Ray and Egon rolled as a triumvirate. They were able to surround and drown Slimer at the a triumvirate. They were able to surround and drown Slimer at the hotel ballroom. They were able to surround and drown. That was a pretty good surround and drown. They did a good surround and drown on the Scolari brothers as well, who would be interesting

on a blood versus water season. Yeah. That was a good surround and drown. I don't know if they ever accomplished surrounding and drowning, Alec Christie. No, they don drown. I don't know if they ever accomplished surrounding and drowning. Alec Christie. Uh, no, they don't.

I don't think, um, what I was trying to figure out was like, is this scene in here for a reason that I don't remember? Or is this like, just like, sort of like, it sounds good.

Yeah. I think it sounds good. Like the surround, it's funny because the surround and drown quote is really good for Jeremy's winner edit, but not for this season. You know what I mean? Did he surround and drown in Second Chances?

Kind of, right? I feel like his strategy was more of like meat shields. So I don't really know if he was a a surrounded drowned. He's the one. No. He surrounded himself. And drowned himself. And then rose to the top. So I actually think that he did in many ways. It was like a reverse surrounded drowned. Reverse surrounded drowned. Yeah. Okay.

Pretty good. Surrounded me. Yeah. Mm-hmm. All right. Drowned me out. Let's then switch back over to Coyopa. All right. Time to make the rice rice missy's making the rice and dale is like giving her the death stare she's putting it in and and bail is like mom mom it's not enough and dale's like what the hell is she doing what is this putting so much rice in the pot. Lil? Like, Dale does a lot of muttering.

Yeah. But he has this sort of like... He's muttering about a mother. Yeah, he's got like some... What is she doing? Yeah. She's a self-centered boss bitch. You know, that's sort of like Dale, right? It's like, she come to my tribe,

eat my rice. She's a self-centered bossy bitch. It's like Farm Guy 69 says. You're giving her, you're like giving him Lil when he's like, he's like giving a little Hans

almost. There's like definitely some like well i think he has two gears like i think he has like sort of like what like he's like in quiet disbelief and then loud disbelief yeah yeah yeah uh but he he hates us in and kelly like what you do get from kelly in this episode i feel like is just, man, I like even today. I'm glad like it works out the way that it ends up working out like and it works out mostly quite well for Kelly Wentworth, I would say, in the long haul. But like I do like even watching this episode, I just kept wanting her to like go to the rest of the tribe. Like, can we just vote my freaking dad out?

Can we just do that? Yeah, because it's kind of like there was an out that they could have just voted out Dale. And it's really kind of surprising that they don't do that. She could have just paired up with Keith. She could have been like... That would be next time they play. Parental relationship with Dale is over keith is

my new father now yeah but i just feel like that like there's a pre-existing relationship with missy from the other tribe uh like you know she's with another young woman in jacklyn uh like it feels like that you could easily see the path that dale is the outlier uh that okay he's the squeaky wheel they could have easily just voted out dale on this vote and kept kelly and they don't really tell us why other than that she's a bigger long-term threat but she's also like an ally so i i don't really know that if you were going to take the shot here and break up Dale and Kelly, like from the perspective of like Missy, and maybe there was like some sort of like lasting,

did Drew Christie incept the folks over at Hunapu that you had to get rid of Kelly and John was insisting. But I don't think it's really in the episode of why they don't keep kelly who seems like that she could work with like where else is she going she's not like was she gonna flip to go work with like with who where is she going with well with jeremy and natalie potentially and so i guess so but is that like i i feel like missy was aligned with Jeremy and Natalie on the other tribe. But this is what I'm saying, is that I think that this tribe swap lays bare the true dynamics of this game, which is it's the Cups versus the Sings.

Who's got a loved one still in this game? But you're breaking them up anyway. Right. Well, so if you're breaking them up anyway you are now um uh you are you are uh adding a number to the single side which is not yours if you're missy and baylor and john and jacklyn so if you're not going to go to tribal council again and just be able to like clip dale or keith if you needed to uh then at least like the one you've left in the game should y'all get to the merge together where's dale going like what's dale gonna do like right they've had the time to see

kelly i just would have loved to have seen that like i feel like that we don't really get to hear that kind of strategy talk from uh missy or john throughout the whole season so i would like whether or not it existed on the cutting room floor or not, who can say, cause we might just be wish casting it on them. Totally for sure. Uh, well,

this is sort of like, um, like, you know, some sort of like, uh, like a glitch in the matrix type stuff is happening here with this vote. Uh,

we can, we can get to it in a bit, but like, you know, um, the likes of John Mish jacklin missy and baylor and keith are able to snow future survivor winner not winner legend maybe winner someday kelly went would you say they snowed her i mean i just feel like that they didn't go with them

she's she's totally taken off guard it seems yeah like you know like i think that maybe she's off guard maybe she thought that like they're gonna vote her dad out like maybe she thought that and maybe that's why she doesn't really um you know go absolutely like um you know balls to the wall in terms of like uh trying to defend herself maybe she just assumes like okay they're gonna vote my dad out and then you know i'll be able to recover from this to to uh to apply this as we're like uh we're going back watching this 10 years later in the real time a new season is airing right now so just to like map it on to the episode 5 from this past week of 47 i think like uh like annika struck me as somebody who could have been like really, really good

at this game. And like, if they're gonna, if they're gonna keep baby Andy and they're gonna vote someone out from, from the breadwinners, I think Anika is a good person to, to shoot out of the sky because she has, she seems like a very savvy person, a very sociable person, a clever person. But what she doesn't have going into this tribal council that Wentworth also doesn't have is ever having been there before with their back against the wall. And I think this is a thing that certainly we talked about a ton on Evolution of Strategy. And you've talked about a ton over the years for returning player seasons. It's that thing of you get voted out.

Now you know what that feels like. Now you know what those days feel like. Wentworth just doesn't have that experience right now. She's so young in this. This is like a very like goofball screwball kind of like knucklehead chucklehead type of a season anyway. She's probably not overly concerned but uh that ends up of course being um that bites bites are bites are in the there's a little bit of acrimony over the fact of that uh dale said or miss i'm sorry baylor basically uh tattles that

dale's been trying to get me out the whole time. Like, what? You're trying to, you're being mean to my kid? Say what? Yeah. And then Kelly appropriately points out like, well, I think that Baylor tried to vote

out Dale first. Yeah. Like, well, I don't, who cares what order it happened? Like, He's being mean to my kid. I'm the mama bear now. You should have just voted him out. It's real. It's real. It's happening. Mama bear.

Wow. A papa bear mama bear alliance could have... I mean, no. It wouldn't really work out the way that I was imagining in my head. Yeah. Anyway, we go to the um little little quick scene before like a two episode arc is coming at hunapu reed is like oh let's go kill the vultures and eat them alex like no they stink. Trust me, you don't want them. Don't eat the vulture. The juice isn't worth the squeeze. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.

If you were a meat collector, would you collect vulture? No, Drew says, Alex says they stink. Yeah, yeah. Yep. All right, we go to the immunity challenge. Would you eat it on Survivor? Would I eat it?

I mean, is it edible? It is a bird. would i eat it i mean is it edible is a bird i would eat it like i would not be above eating um the vulture on survivor if it could be eaten i think you can eat a vulture i just don't think it's gonna taste great and sounds like you'll have very bad breath yeah yeah not too worried about that i think that's sort of par for the course And sounds like you'll have very bad breath. Yeah. Yeah. Not too worried about that. I think that's sort of par for the course. Yeah. But like vulture breath on top of already preexisting survivor breath.

Mm hmm. Woof. Woof. But yeah, they're hungry. A lot of whispering on survivor. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Like you got like in the new era of like people standing up at tribal

council and huddling together and stuff can you imagine like uh like uh reed gets into that and then everyone's like i just think that you're like i don't remember ever smelling anybody's breath on survivor yeah maybe because it was so traumatic that you erased it from your memory even like bo i don't like, I think I only remember, like somebody had that like very bad BO. You want to name names? Mateo. Ah, yeah.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. What did it smell like? Like very pungent. Like pungent, like I tend to think that a BO kind of smells like almost universally like a Campbell's chicken noodle soup. I can see it. There's like a sharpness to it. And oddly, even though that is like my fervent lifelong position on B.O.,

I've thought this for my entire life that I can recall that it smells like Campbell's chicken noodle soup. Still love that stuff. Delicious. Break up some saltine crackers, put it in. Well, look, you're making everybody at Hunapu hungry because they really want food. And so Hunapu, they win the immunity challenge.

Kind of a nothing too exciting challenge, right? Go through some mud. They're birthed into the mud shake a thing shake that thing take that thing then throw some sandbags

onto another thing it's a blowout yes and maybe this is a hot take I don't like survivors doing challenges covered in mud. I can't,

it's hard to know who's who. My biggest problem is when they do that, like in the first episode. Yeah. Yeah. Which I know is like, Jeff loves that right now. He loves it.

I don't know. They get birthed into the mud. I know who they are. Uh, yeah, I don't particularly, well, I feel like,

um, I can like, I feel like when I see them covered in mud, Rob, I feel like I can feel it hardening on my skin. The mud. Yeah. The dirt that you're caked in. And then I get like, sort of like those, like the, the, the goose flesh, right? Like those like little like unsettling shivers, uh, not the vulture flesh.

Yeah. All right. I don little like unsettling shivers uh not vulture flesh yeah all right i don't like it either i would love i think that they should be allowed to shower every night okay you might be alone with that i don't actually really think yeah all right after the challenge we go back to hunapu oh i'm sorry i'm sorry we don't go back i'm sorry sorry we don't go back to Hunapu I'm sorry We don't go back to the Hunapu Hunapu sticks around and then Yara Yaring through the good part Reed says Jeff when you get a sec We got one more thing to talk to you about

And Jeff's like You sons of bitches Alright let's go Let's go And they have no more rice alex says it's drew who ate all the rice and they said they want to trade in one of their rewards for the rice for more rice is it fair to blame all of this on drew i don't know i don't know definitely not and like i don't know that you want to play that game with the production that has the tapes much like brian gumbel the tape yeah you can get dan foley

that hasn't happened yet yes but like i i do think what is happening is uh probst getting sick of this attitude of this level of chicanery that's not just happening on san juan del sur uh but yeah we will see like these like i was edited poorly uh moments that are going to be coming in the future you know uh so i think like he's already like he seems like he's starting to lose some chill yeah in this salty umami okay so jeff says okay well oh so you want more you ate all the rice you want more you're gonna trade the rewards that you won from eating all the rice and he said that there will be like he's like you know know what, I need to think about it. I need to talk to your mother about this.

That there will, I will come to your camp tomorrow, okay? And there will be a penalty and it will be steep. There is an invoice to pay, he says to them. Yeah.

Upapi has to talk to Umami and then we'll see what we can pull together. Loved, I don't always remember to watch the previews for the next episodes here but I did today and I I'm just so excited for next week's podcast when Jeff is like

no one has ever needed more help than you guys yep that's coming next week is embarrassing okay meanwhile back at Coyopa Kelly is trying to bring in John and Jacqueline. Basically, John and Jacqueline, they are the swing votes that they are trying to decide which way to go. Missy and Baylor, they don't want to work with Dale and Kelly.

And Baylor and, I'm sorry, that John and Jacqueline need to figure out what to do. There's not a real great working history for Kelly and John together. I'm sorry, that John and Jacqueline need to figure out what to do. There's not a real great working history for Kelly and John together. Baylor and Jacqueline have never really worked together. But they were also both just like so on the bottom at this tribe that maybe like there were, you know,

they thought that it would be either one of them next, right? Interesting. Kelly goes off and Missy is like, she's looking for an idol. I'm like, well, I mean, Missy, have you seen the future? Mm-hmm. Like one of the best idol finders there is. Yeah.

Yeah. So, yeah. Look, their radar is up. The Drew Christie prophecy. You know, he incepted this idea into the culture, into the zeitgeist. Drew Christie birthed a legend.

Yep. It was a self-fulfilling prophecy. Yeah. So everyone's like, oh, she's dangerous. Was it self-fulfilling prophecy or is Drew Christine Oracle? We wondered to this very question 10 years ago. I am on the other side of 10 years greater

with two additional Kelly Wentworth survivor appearances under our belt. I'm ready to declare Drew Christie is an oracle. An oracle. He could see the future yeah he's like desmond uh except like instead of seeing like what's happening to charlie he's seeing what's happening to wentworth yeah no it's it's hard because i think that you don't want to assign uh agency to him of kelly becoming great i think. So you have to, in a way, assign him agency that, no, he could see that Kelly was going to be great. He could see it. He knew.

He's not responsible for it, but he did see it. Yes, correct. I think that's right. I think that's right. So she's allegedly going to find an idol. And like Dale has been like a little bit uh sus with this stuff right uh like he's a little bit of a tricky guy or has he not been tricky yet i don't think he's been that tricky he did take the thing off the uh top of the well but i think he's gonna do that next week

yeah so uh let's go to tribal council uh keith nail it's like hey you could be six one against me tonight is there is no one entertaining Keith as an option I don't think so I think he's well loved by everybody so there's no no really incentive on that and there's just like some really bad blood brewing between Dale and Missy

and so he says that she's a stuck up bossy bitch is what he says. But here, they're really trying to sweet-talk John and Jacqueline. Dale says about John and Jacqueline, he says, Hey, they're the hottest couple at camp. Easy, Tiger.

And Baylor's like, they're the hottest couple anywhere. Yeah, anywhere. Everybody's trying to one-up how hot John and Jacqueline are. They are stunning. They're glowing. You know? And they're giving each other little smooches on the beach. Yeah.

They're glowing. They're pretty schmoopy that they are back reunited. They will famously have a point when they get into a fight oh right oh but right now oh man love this season it's pretty schmoopy okay schmoopy they're schmoopy they've just been reunited uh i will just just an observation i did make i do want to like i don't want to dwell on this uh but like they are so schmoopy once they've been reunited then over at hunapu reed and josh are reunited and when they're when they have to like sit in the bleachers with their new tribe permutations at hero arena they're like not even sitting next to each other they're like

they're like and they could they could have if they wanted to yeah there's like they're like diagonally they're famously not schmoopy. They're waiting until marriage. Yeah. No schmooping. No schmoops. Yeah. So, uh, we,

uh, get a little bit of the retelling of was Dale going after Baylor? Was Baylor going after Dale? Missy says, uh, she's going to protect her kid. Okay. She's that,

you know, Kelly talked about like, okay, well this like uh animosity between uh baylor and dale this is like a 50 pound backpack and missy's like add another 50 pound backpack because i'm coming too because i'm mama bear is gonna protect her cup it's not kelly's like i think kelly should have just been like dad bye i just wonder if she thought like okay they're gonna vote my dad out like i don't have to like pull a sierra i don't have to vote out my dad and like i'll get through this i don't remember i have to go back to the exit interview

and think about if they if she had been thinking that they're just gonna let her dad and then she'll recover what lessons if any are learned from this tribal council for a potential future blood versus water that still hasn't come to pass like uh is do you like should the should blood versus water three whenever it happens here at least stateside uh should the loved ones come into that like a lot more primed to just like knock each other out i don't think you should be primed to knock each other out but ironically kelly and sierra will get on the same page in survivor second chances famously as a part of the witches coven and that i think that sierra was a little bit more of a pragmatist i think than kelly wentworth is of like okay uh i don't want to

do this but it's a means to an end and i'll do it and i think that kelly's like a little bit more principled i'm like no i'm not gonna vote out my dad because you tell me to like, uh, you either vote, vote him out or don't, but you don't need my vote to vote out my dad. Sierra though. Ice water in the veins. Yeah. Bye mom. I,

yep. It's a weird, it ends up being, uh, two votes, two votes, Kelly, two votes, Dale being two votes. Two votes, Kelly. Two votes, Dale.

Two votes, Missy. Two votes, is it Missy or Baylor that they voted for? Missy, right? Baylor. Two votes, Baylor. And then a final vote is Kelly. And Kelly, the tribe has spoken. Ah. Ah. Yeah. But the best is yet to come. The best is yet to come, and is yet to come and now we know that that is a

major change from our previous analysis of san juan del sur of this episode we were not yet san juan del shore what would happen with kelly wentworth in the future hindsight being what it is knowing that kelly is going to have a historic run on second chance. She's going to go fairly deep in Edge of Extinction as well. Yeah. If she wants to come back someday, I think she'll get the chance. She feels like one of those people who could play a fourth time.

Yeah. With all of that said, she gets knocked out by Missy, Baylor, John Misch, Jacqueline. These are not necessarily like the Mount Rushmore of strategists, even on San Juan del Sur. Sure, sure. So what does that say? Does it say anything? Is Survivor just a little bit, there's just like,

sometimes it's just that. Sometimes you get a bad swap, that's it. It's just an intangible and you can't really do much about it. Yeah. Could there be a Kelly Wentworth on Survivor 50? Yeah, absolutely, I think. I think it totally depends on, like, what the format ends up being,

but she would be on my short list to see her again. Yeah, for sure. I'm not talking about literal Kelly Wentworth. Like, could there be somebody who is... Somebody who is, like, kind of like... Wait. Who? Oh, I see what you mean uh so like someone who didn't make uh make it terribly far in their season but get tapped to be brought back in to survivor 50 and then goes on to have like a meteoric rise from honestly like i feel like annika could be like a somebody who

you know like didn't maybe light the world on fire in like her time but like i think that like somebody who like the production believes in we're putting this energy out into the world let's get asia back out there yeah wow you know. You know? Incredible. Give Asia Welsh Kelly Wentworth upside. Yeah. Bring her back. I mean, to get back into the second show after not doing, you know, going super far in the first show,

that's the sweet spot. I think that that might, like, yeah, it is, but it's not the sweet spot to get cast. You know, that's the challenge. That's the challenge. So like you have to ideally you want to be the last person that they cast. Also, this no longer really applies. You don't think so?

No, I don't think so. Because like now we are in an era where the first returning player season is going to occur. Like the first returning player season since Winners at War is going to occur 10 seasons later. So my my who knows what the 50s looks like for this show. But my feeling like my my recommendation to any new era and beyond survivor player is savor the flavor. Enjoy it. Have a great time. Eat well.

Eat all the rice early on because you're not getting another bag, most likely. So like I don't think that this works as a strategy anymore to like try and like play for the second game. Christian Hubicki hasn't played twice. Yeah, I try and like play for the second game christian hubicki hasn't played twice yeah i'm not saying play for the second game i'm just saying it's it's best to be like one of the last people that they add to the all-star cast and then uh sure he's that worried about you yeah that tends to work out yeah okay i want to talk about some of the things that happened on the podcast uh this past uh week uh 10 years prior and so yeah i got some good some good notes from uh what went down uh from josh green and from danielle uh who sent in some things about this uh this round of podcasts that's happened on the 20, uh, the 22nd and the 23rd.

Uh, to spoil it, uh, coach, coach, coach was on the podcast. Yeah. Coach Wade.

Yeah. Coach Wade was on, on the pod. And, uh, if I'm remembering correctly, this isn't the treadmill, but I think he was in a vehicle.

Was he in a car he was driving yeah yeah okay all right ten years later we allowed to call that bullshit don't do that i think that honestly like if somebody did that podcast from while you're if somebody called into the podcast and was driving, I think we would celebrate it now a little bit more. You think so? I think so. At the time, I felt very disrespectful. Yeah. What are you going to do? Look at you.

Okay. All right. Let me talk about some things from the know-it-alls. Okay. Stephen Fishbeck ordered Chinese food. Oh. Yes. And he had to go and answer the door at one point. Wasn't he? He was like, OK, just so everyone knows

I have sesame chicken on the way. Steven, according to Josh, Josh Green was very high on Josh Canfield in his winter edit. Yes, this I also recall. He's very high on Josh Canfield and also thought that that Reed was going to be the

quitter oh right because we know what quit is coming uh that's right i forgot that there was like the super trailer that showed that yeah look at this at this point like uh at this moment that we were watching survivor without future knowledge of anything uh like i think like really even here five episodes and it feels like two people can win and it's like josh and jeremy is what it kind of feels like right shaping up a real prof x versus magneto situation prof x cool yes okay um according to danielle she says that steven is all in on josh and his winner edit thinks he's the best. Rob is not all in, but mostly because he can't get over him and read waiting until marriage.

Uh-huh. 2014 Rob. That was out of pocket. Yeah. That's a, that sounds like 20. Look, look,

love is love. Like, uh, let them, let them live. Rob. Okay. Let them live.

Let them live. Let them do what they want. Yes, we are live on YouTube. Russ W. says, oh dear. Also, Danielle mentions, Josh has this too, that speaking of marriage, Stephen and Rob won a love story between Missy and Farm Guy 69

and developed a whole movie. It's called Exile Island for them. It ends with Baylor and Kelly sharing whole movie. It's called Exile Island for them. It ends with Baylor and Kelly sharing a room. Sounds like a horrible movie. Mm-hmm. All the movies we could make. I do not stand this Exile Island movie.

We will not be showing this in Philadelphia. Okay. Yep. Also, then,ven referred to jeremy's everything going great for me as pulling a marty piambo in how does how does he figure because steven will talk about marty piambo a lot from time to time still more so in 2014 does he still bring up marty piambo yeah, I think he did recently. In what content? I think saying that he should be on Survivor 50, maybe.

Really? I think so. Okay. Listen, as somebody who has fan-cast Marty Piombo to be on Returning Player Seasons in the past, I do feel like we are... Mr. Farty might not be Mr. 50.

Yeah. Yeah. What's his name again? Mr. What? Fart. Oh, yeah. Mr. Fart. Yeah.

So Josh went through and listened to the interview with Coach that he was very Coach. He was driving in his car the whole call. And that Rob asked Coach what he thought about the season in the beginning. And he immediately goes, boring. Yes. But he compares it to uh taking a coaching job right after somebody won the national championship because where would you go from there and he said that blood versus water and kagian was a real high point so just like tough act to follow is sort of his tough act to follow

yes yes okay well look i can understand that in the real time. Uh, you know, like this season is weird. This season does not, uh, does not feel like those two seasons. Yes. And I think that last week was the, uh, what does,

what does muffin think on the, uh, no adults. Yeah. So, uh, there's a lot of muffin talk. Who's muffin.

Mm. Hmm. Yes. From Stephen had some kind of a slip up called. What does muffin think, though? Who's muffin? Who's muffin? Yeah.

Why do you think her name was? Do we ever find out why he thought her name was muffin? I think it's nebulous. Nebulous. Even a decade later. Yep. Wow. Some mysteries, right? decade later. Yep. Wow. Some mysteries, right?

Some mysteries. Let the mystery be. All right. Josh, what else? Gosh, we're getting pretty close. Oh, sorry. And then Mike Bloom made his first voicemails appearance, I believe. Yes.

This is Mike's voicemails debut? Mike's voicemails debut. This is Mike's voicemail's debut Mike's voicemail's debut Although Josh says that Mike sounded a lot Less energetic than he sounds these days But we had great chemistry Okay he was probably nervous

He was you know like A freshly anointed Survivor historian At this point in time Mike Bloom is at the beginning Of an ongoing meteoric rise himself. Yes. So for Mike to he was the Kelly Wentworth of the moment. Exactly. For him to show up on the Kelly Wentworth podcast on the Kelly Wentworth boot episode when Kelly Wentworth

was a nothing and little Mike Bloom is like, I don't know. i don't know what to say i'm nervous and now look at him freaking star my star love that guy yeah all right love that man yes all right also uh coach was kind of pro john rocker according to uh josh green so there you go shocked shocked john shocker yeah all right so next week we'll talk about the final pre-merge episode of survivor san juan nil sir in which Dale Wentworth is going to say, I have a hidden immunity idol. He's going to try to play that. And everyone's like, uh, it's true.

I've got one. I have an idol. Yeah. You and I, in the meantime, will head to Philadelphia for a screening of our RGP first documentary talking about Survivor Cagayan.

Come hang out with us. I was too overwhelmed to go out to a crowd of a thousand plus people in New York, but Philadelphia promises to be a bit more of an intimate affair to gather together to watch the Survivor Cagayan documentary. So this will be my first RHAP event appearance since 2019.

So I'm very excited. So if you want to come hang out with me, with Rob, with all of the people who are going to be in Philly watching the Survivor Cagayan documentary, go check it out. I think that the ticket link still works. Rob has a website.com slash Cagayan screening. go check it out. I think that the ticket link still works.

Rob has a website.com slash Kageyan screening. So go to Rob has a website.com slash Kageyan screening. If you want to come to the thing. And if you can't, because this is a short notice, potentially for people who are like across the world and stuff, you'll be able to watch the movie in a week's time yeah but next week on the podcast when rob and i get back together we'll have i'm sure uh lots of uh fun anecdotes from uh getting to to spend some time together yeah

can i uh bring up something that uh involves another survivor second chances kelly of course absolutely yes yeah so um i i saw this you know wigglesworth uh yeah look what they did to kelly wigglesworth okay so um ew talks about um i saw this headline today on the TV that has our family calendar on it, and it also shares some headlines from EW, which I was like, I had to do a double take when I saw this one. It says, original Survivor contestant Kelly Wigglesworth speaks out on claims she cheated in exclusive clip. Whoa. Yeah. kelly wigglesworth speaks out on claims she cheated an exclusive clip whoa yeah this is from entertainment weekly yes that they have a clip uh that i've not seen the clip an exclusive clip

from the upcoming episode of vice's dark side of reality tv uh that uh kelly wigglesworth uh explained something that happened she said that somebody threw a power bar on the ground right at my feet she said and richard saw it now i've heard urban legend of this uh and then um richard hatch uh says it's all a bs game says hatch yeah walked away with a million dollars they interviewed joel klug joel klug says i think it was a power bar but if you're a BS game, says Hatch. Yeah. Who walked away with a million dollars. They interviewed Joel Klug for this? Joel Klug says, I think it was a power bar,

but if you're, like, where was he during all this? He was, like, deep at Ponderosa. Yeah, like,

is that a figure of speech? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Joel was deep at Ponderosa. Sure was. Mm-hmm. Still is. Yeah,

but, so, yeah, the dark side of reality TV is going to be on Vice. Okay. Kelly Wigglesworth is pushing back. Do we have coverage plans of this? I don't know how to watch something on Vice.

I'm sure we can figure that out. Yeah. All right. Well, we'll see. Certainly any headlines we will be sure to check out. Yeah. All right. Well, we'll see. Certainly, any headlines, we will be sure to check out. Okay? All right. There you go.

What a great time, folks. Are we having fun yet? Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, bro's gone, but we have a lot. We have a lot. Right now, I am in a tight situation because I don't have an idol.

I don't have anything. I am just lying. I am just lying. All right. Thank you so much for joining us. We'll be back next week to talk more Sam Wendell. Sir, take care of a good one. Bye. Bye.