RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor San Juan Del Sur Ep 7 | 10 Year Anniversary

Episode Date: November 5, 2024

Rob Cesternino and Josh Wigler are back to dissect episode seven of Survivor: San Juan del Sur, marking its 10-year anniversary.

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Please play responsibly. If you have any questions or concerns about your gambling or someone close to you, please contact Connex Ontario at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. It was 10 years ago on a night, just like probably not a night just like this, but it was 10 years ago when

we watched episode 7 of Survivor San Juan del Sur and it sounded just like this. Get in the backseat and let me drive. Yes! It was 10 years ago tonight that Julie McGee quit Survivor San Juan del Sur sir a million dollar decision or so the episode

title says as josh and jeremy's cold war simmers on the back burner as julie mcgee and her trail mix ends up leaving the game back with us to talk about it is of course my great friend my blood versus water part podcast partner josh wiggler rob very excited to be here to talk about an episode that once again the parallels between this episode uh that aired November 5th, 2014, and us talking about it on November 5th, 2024. Both the episode and today are all about trails that end. Yes. The episode of Survivor and today

both highlight the importance of voting. Well, the difference between today and 10 years ago today is that today people are voting. 10 years ago today, no voting. No. And then look what happens if you don't vote, you know, spoils all sorts of plans. So make sure you're getting out the vote today, folks. Better than Julie McGee did 10 years ago.

A big difference that 10 years ago tonight we saw somebody concede. Listen. Maybe unlikely today. A lot of this banter could become dated in record time.

We could just settle back into 2020. What's going on live show audience? Any comments? No, not yet. Is this on private, Sam? Is this unlisted? Where are the comments? Private browsing right now good

no i'm excited to go back if nobody's watching let me give out my social security number real quick okay for one hour only we're back in 2014 and you know what i'll take that today i'll take that today i think i'm happy with that today okay all right so we're going to talk about everything here today plus uh we go back in time each week and talk about what was happening on the podcast and then uh is this on your radar do you know you were on the voicemails 10 years ago today or 10 years ago this week yes uh i believe i was a part of popularizing quits mcgee okay i'm pretty sure that i was a participant in that she was called worse on the podcast according to some of the research that was done. Okay. Not by us.

Not my proudest moment. I mean, it was a Ron Burgundy reference, mostly. It was a funny moment. Yeah. But I don't know. I don't know how it plays 10 years greater. That being said, thrilled to talk about this one. One of the things that I thought was very interesting about this episode is it really highlighted that certain survivor seasons you could do a lot of like travel by map.

Like they're really landlocked on this one. So it's like, all right, we're merging. Go up the hill and have lunch. All right. You had lunch. Go down the hill and go to your new tribe. Yeah. And then Julie's like, I'm going to go back up the hill and quit.

And Jeff's like, I'll come with you. And Jeff talks to her. And then Jeff comes back down the hill and talks to the tribe. It's like, it was really like, everything was just like, no boats, no cars required. Yeah. Just foot travel. Lots of foot travel. Now, while we did get Jeff to show up at the end, and he'll just show up.

Also, Caleb is great with like your social. OK, let me I'll DM him and we'll just show up. Jeff just shows up at the end of the episode when Julie wants to walk away from the game. But I thought that was so interesting here. You know, 10 years ago to the date is not like the dates that Julie McGee made off with after the merge feast. A Jeff-less merge happens here. And I think that a Jeff-less merge is not entirely uncommon 10 years ago, but it would be unfathomable at the current state to have the merge without jeff yes uh because we live in a

suspended state of mergatory that jeff must preside over yeah i'm trying to have the last time like just let the snacks speak for themselves i think is sort of like uh well we're and we're also not terribly far removed from like that experimental era of Jeff being like, can I take a day off? Yeah. Do it yourself challenge. Do I get days off?

We, I'm not sure. I feel like they did it show up like rogue in one of the later seasons in the 20s. I know it was in One World and I'm not sure if it happened again after that, that they had the, a Jeff-less challenge. I think it was pretty maligned it was

fairly people did not like it but i'm sure i feel like that there was like one random time where it it also happened again a jeffless challenge could be wrong about that but yeah um it i i think that uh survivor sort of like oscillated between sometimes Jeff at the merge, sometimes no Jeff at the merge. I believe Jeff. I'm trying to remember if Jeff was at the merge or not in Survivor the Amazon. I really don't remember. My vague memory of it is like I feel like a mixer kind of happens and then you guys go and Heidi and Jenna get naked. And that's where that's not all

the same day uh i'm trying to remember like i remember us being on boats i remember like paddling in and i don't remember if i i think that we did like i want to say we got a word from jeff but he wasn't where we were eating the merge feast got it got it i have to go back and look at that huge merge feast in this big feast yeah big feast heroes feast we're maxing out our hp like people are eating here alec christie is eating here and we're even gonna have leftovers for wesley's birthday the next day but one person one individual a single participant in survivor san juan del sur gonna be pocketing some trail mix yep lying thieving stealing julie mcgee yeah i'm angry about this 10 years later than i was back why why Why? Why are you so upset about it? I've gotten really into trail mix since then. Yes, you do?

And so now I understand the value of what she took. What's in your trail mix? Totally depends on what's available. Gotta get like a decent spread of nuts. A few different kinds, Rob. We need a bunch of nuts in our trail mix. A lot of people are off nuts this month. Really?

Oh, is this no nuts November? We're not putting our nuts in our trail mix this month? Julie McGee was not participating. Yeah, she was fully in nuts November. All the way in. Yeah, we got to get some nuts in there. Chocolate chips.

Yeah. Chocolate chips would not be good on Survivor. That would be melted. How do you feel about the dried fruit? The raisins? We've got to get some dried fruit in there. I love a good raisin. Don't say that too loud because we'll get babe texted she hates raisins but i love a dried fruit you know it's an underrated dried fruit is a cherry love a dry oh dry cherry okay

you know uh get some dried mango in there yeah julie was working on like some dried apricot, a pineapple ring. She had a pineapple ring for sure would be delicious. Uh, I think he had some apricots in there for sure. Yeah. I hold on. Uh, do we have any sort of breaking news about, uh,

about Julie McGee? Hold on. Breaking news. Breaking news. Sam's a pineapple guy. Wow. Wow. Sam's a pineapple guy.

Julie McGee is a pineapple gal. Okay. So yeah, I'm mad about it because I love trail mix. Great source of nutrients. Okay. Well,

let's talk through everything from this episode, which I kind of feel like is a little bit, maybe the, we, I remember being very disappointed with this. It's like, okay, we got to the merge. Here we go, baby. Take off. And it's like, we're going to sit on the runway for a little bit here. We're not going to take off. Julian McGee is going to quit. I remember them being like, well, why don't we just go to, why don't we just have a tribal council? on the runway for a little bit here uh we're not gonna take off uh julian mcgee is gonna quit

uh i remember them being like well why don't we just go to why don't we just have a tribal council yeah flip side uh this episode in memory at least because we'll see in the in the couple of weeks ahead to my memory of of the experience of this this episode is like a very clutch setup for these next two yeah uh and therefore a very clutch setup for natalie's run towards the end of the game i do think like maybe it's worth breaking down like what shakes out differently if julie stays yada yada yada but. But certainly Julie leaving changes things. It seems at least as Josh tells it, that like Jeremy's going to go if we go to tribal tonight

and he doesn't because she leaves. And so then Josh goes in the next one. So like, I think that this episode is somewhat of a necessary evil for some of the greatness to come. But in the weekly, of course, like especially for the business that you're historically in the weekly, of course, like especially for the business that that that you are historically in, Rob, a little hard to do this job of like vote breakdown analysis of the season and the greatness of this season and and i really think that that works and just to revisit where we were at in the real time as like the

completed work of san juan del sur really stands the test of time but i think that one of the things that held it back is that in the real time through seven episodes you know you have a season where we've talked about like okay it seems like it's a season of dummies and even jeremy itself he's like he's like josh only half he's the only person on his side that's playing the game like uh he was like he was down on it and then we get a quit now on top of everything else that we've seen here. And Jeff talked about this is the worst group that they've needed so much help. And our winner. And then Jeff goes around and gives them like one of the best merch pieces I can remember seeing.

That spread is absurd. But also. San Juan Del Absurd. Absurd. Our winner, Natalie, has been very quiet through seven seven and she's almost invisible in this episode uh probably for like the third or fourth time so far this season and if you were in the real time going to like rank the characters that have had their story told like i don't even think that natalie is in the top five or six at this point. Give me the top five or six people that are in the game that have been featured more than Natalie.

Certainly, Jeremy. I think Missy and Baylor. Yeah. Josh has been a Keith, I think, has had has had more than than Natalie. And and this is no slight to Natalie. Who's going to go on to then be the star of the back half of the season. You know, even I would say that, that, you know,

John and Jacqueline have started to come into more of a focus than Natalie. Yeah. Well, so I think like an instructive thing that happens in this episode, I know we're all over the place, but I think an instructive thing that happens in this episode is when they finally get to the old Coyopa camp. and everyone is like with their loved ones and Jeremy and Natalie kind of become 20s. And then when Jeremy is going to go and Natalie once again has to weather the departure of a loved one, she activates.

So I think like there is utility to her story not firing off until her new loved one is really out of the game. And then it becomes a vengeance journey. Then it becomes kill Bill, except that like the, the, the, the black Mambo fives or whatever they're called. I forget the name of the, of the snakes. Bill's people are all like very bad at their jobs.

You know, the vengeance tour is like relatively easy though. Thinking of it, the bride's vengeance tour actually kind of works out pretty cleanly for her she gets buried alive at one point yeah that doesn't happen to natalie here but she's being buried alive in the edit i don't think i don't disagree i think like she's you know she's gonna have to punch her way out of the box she doesn't get a bad edit she just doesn't really get a lot of their time. She's there around to dunk on Drew Christie a little bit, and she goes to Exile Island with Baylor.

But other than that, she's really very invisible in this episode. Background character. Background character waiting to pop. Waiting to pop off. All right. So in this episode, we start things off at Old Coyopa. And Keith Nail is a little upset because they did a vote split against him. And he didn't really like that. Oh, sir. He didn't like getting votes on him.

They're like, well, Keith, we just want to make sure that Dale didn't have an idol. But similar to baby Andy, he's like, wait, so I was the backup plan. So that I was the person that, you know, if he would have played an idol, would have gone home. Why on God's green earth did you pick me? Here's what Keith Nail had to say. so that I was the person that, you know, if he would have played an idol, would have gone home? Why on God's green earth did you pick me? Here's what Keith Nail had to say. Are you kidding me? My name wasn't in the plan.

Did I miss the memo? I love that. Did I miss the memo? Did I miss the memo? Yes. Because Keith Nail, you know, famously was a firefighter, worked at the firehouse. Are there a lot of like inter-office memos that happen at the fire department?

Yes, there are. But you got to read them quick or those memos burn up. Did I miss the memo? The memo. In like today's modern survivor editing environment, what does the like montage of Keith putting together all of the strategy that must be happening behind his back look like rather than giving us a confessional? I'd be curious. I would love one of those like super cuts that we're getting for like Andy or

Genevieve or whoever. And I would have loved to have seen like Keith's inner workings would have been incredible. Memo like to Keith like hey you're gonna be the backup plan and he just goes like I didn't get to read

that. I know there's something important I'm supposed to remember about tomorrow. You just see like a birthday card up in flames. Yeah. Alright, so there's no, Keith, we love you. We want to work with you. It's like, because I think we got something good here. Yeah, but he's already thinking

like, no, no, I got to get with some people I can trust. That's him spinning. In case that wasn't clear in the audio. Alright, and then we get over back on Hunapu. it's all being set up about how that uh josh and reed they do not love jeremy we didn't hear that so much from them during their time together but now that we've reached the merge josh is like a little bit like

buyer's remorse of like i wish we would have got out jeremy yeah why didn't we get out jeremy when we had the chance would they have had the chance to do it would they have been able to do it would they have been able to pull off a jeremy vote here yeah i think so if they threw the challenge they have uh josh reed wes and alec it feels like that you know those four are pretty close uh and aligned following the merge. I'm not sure necessarily why they wouldn't have been able to put four votes on Jeremy against Jeremy. Now, Alec was the swing vote in this situation. Yes, Alec was the guy that Jeremy's trying to surround and drown.

But that being said, I feel like that Alec votes with Wes and Josh and Reed. Jeremy's not the Jeremy that he will become yet. But even this Jeremy, is this Jeremy a better, does he have more charm, more maneuverability, more than josh at this stage like jeremy is a terrific incredible survivor winner yes um could he not get him like if he knows that the votes are coming his way which is not how it goes down when he does go home i believe uh is he able to just like jedi mind trick alec in a way that's not jeremy's game i mean uh that jeremy i don't really think that he is a person who um is a i'm trying to think of the right word uh but he jeremy like um people love jeremy they want to work with jeremy jeremy's allies uh want to you know play

with jeremy and jeremy also supplements his game with having idols and you know uh you know being just so likable and people wanting to uh work with him he is not a person who is uh flips votes i don't think i'm trying to come up with the scenario where that happens in his survivor playing career and maybe somebody ends up um you know telling me that in the comments but i i just i don't see it here especially not in this game i mean jeremy really ends up just going to this one tribal council, uh, pre-merge where Drew Christie gets voted out. Uh, and then, uh, he'll go to one more before he gets voted out. So there's not really a lot here in this season that people want to work with Jeremy, but that Jeremy is not really a player that comes in and Jedi mind tricks people. Sure. That's fair. Uh, and I think, a history of when he is trying to work

with somebody who you could call, let's say, irascible. He can get snowed by, like, a Tony. And not to say Alec is a Tony. Or a Kimmy. Or a Kimmy. Or a Kimmy. That's right. That's right.

He puts a lot of faith and trust in his allies. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yeah, for sure. A hundred percent. And,

um, all right, well, they didn't do it. They could have gone to tribal. They could have gotten rid of Jeremy. Uh, and instead they didn't do that.

And so now Josh and Reed are like, all right, well, what's, what's the plan? What do we do? Okay. So we're going to the merge. Uh, that and so now josh and reed are like all right well what's what's the plan what do we do okay so we're going to the merge uh john and jacqueline are excited because they too are going to the

merge you know what that means nobody wants to date somebody that doesn't make it to the merge we can still date each other what uh uh do we still talk about that do we talk about that because we don't know when you even make the merge. Did Rome make the merge? I don't know. He made it to Mergetory. He didn't get a buff. I don't know.

Is he dateable? I don't think so. I'm going to go out on a limb and call Rome undateable. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a little bit unclear in the new era. All right. We got our merge feast.

And what a spread for everybody they have like a pot and they get like they get a ton of tools out of this too it's ridiculous actually when you think about like you're such a new era guy now am i yeah you're like don't give them anything i want these survivors to earn the earn this food, earn these tools. What did they even do? All they did was just not get voted out. Yeah. Did they even earn anything?

They didn't. Josh Wiggler, 2024. That's right. Yeah. Put that on the internet and print it. Let them know. Josh Wiggler doesn't think it's right that in the old days, they used to get stuff and they didn't even have to earn it

here's my big ish is we made a whole meal out of giving up the pots the this the that the tarp all of it for a bag of rice

to last for the rest of the game and then immediately they win charcuterie All of it for a bag of rice to last for the rest of the game. And then immediately they win charcuterie or no, they win the churrasco. I'm sorry. They win the Brazilian meat market. Alec collects new meats and they're very full. And then they merge. And not only do they get all this food, which is great.

I do think you should have a merge feast, and I think that that's something that I don't like about the new era. I think they should all be able to eat. Let them eat. I do think that. What I don't know that I feel so great about is they just gave up all this stuff, and now they get to pick up the pots, the pans. You're making Jeremy's point for him.

These guys are so dumb. I think it's just like... They made a bad deal. I feel like Jeff, who just told these people, I've never had to give anyone so much. I hate you, he says. He says to Hunapu. He said under his breath. I hate you, he says. He says to Hunapu. He said under his breath.

I hate you guys. And like some of those people are on Coyopa, so they aren't absolved either. You know, some of these little rice fiends, Missy, John, like a couple of these people who are also involved. And Jeff allows

the newly anointed C hoyopa to grab this picnic blanket bags filled with trail mix yeah how about this julie mcgee shouldn't have been put in a position to quit she shouldn't have been allowed to grab handfuls of dried apricots and nuts she shouldn't have been able to do thats of dried apricots and nuts she shouldn't have been able to do that they should have had to leave it all behind none of these tools should have been allowed to take tools okay that's my that's my take all right well everybody is getting together and we got to try to figure out uh what we are doing uh The couples have found each other. We got a lot of couples here in the game now,

here at the merge. Eight to four, right? That's the spread. It's eight people who are in couples and four people who are singles. Yeah, and I'm trying to remember back to the first Blood vs. Water, but by the time we got to the merge,

there weren't as many couples. I think there was, what, Aris and Vetusina and katie and laura and sierra and was that it well laura was also on laura was out but then she comes back she comes back right so yeah uh so i guess only three pairs uh then unless i'm forgetting somebody. Meanwhile, we have here of the players that are left in the game. We have, uh, Josh and Reed. We are Keith and Wes.

We have, uh, John and Jacqueline and Baylor and Missy. So what? Eight out of 12. Yeah. Our couples are in, are in and four out of 12.

And Julie is getting sad. She's upset. Uh, no one on earth has ever missed John Rocker more than Julie McGee in this episode. Yeah. It just hasn't happened for John Rocker. The story had been anecdotally that she did not like it, that John Rocker was about to go off on the pre-jury trip and then they were going to be separated.

She was not going to see him until the end of the game. She says, she says it in this episode, if I don't get some personal space, I'm a freak out. Like bad things are going to happen. I think she makes a reasonable, healthy life decision. And I and I do think now with the benefit of time, I think it's great for the season as well.

I think the thing that I, you know, all these years later, we were just anticipating it. We knew it was coming because of that super trailer. There was a super trailer at the very start of the season. It's just, you telling me you're going to quit? And so we knew that someone was going to leave. It was very clear that it was going to be Julie. Julie.

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and then you have Jeremy and Natalie and Baylor and Missy and Julie. That's seven. Seven into 12 is in. It's a good block. We love that block. Seven out of 12, not block. We love that block. 7 out of 12.

Not bad. Yeah. That would be good. And so, Missy and John, they have a good relationship still, and Jeremy is still with Missy. So, this is feeling good. Jeremy's like, okay, finally, I'm going to get one over on Josh and Reed, finally.

Yeah. However, someone is feeling some measure of conflict about all of this. Is that now? Is that, is this, uh, is this,

uh, not yet, not yet. Um, so, all right. Uh, it's also West nails. Sorry,

I shouldn't be driving. Let me get in the backseat. I'll let you get in the backseat. Let me drive. Okay. Get in the backseat and let me drive. All right. Yeah. Yeah. It and let me drive. All right. It's Wes Nail's birthday.

Wes Nail's birthday is June 19th. It's June 19th, 2014. In real time. Yeah. Yes. Long live the exceptional Keith Nail the late great who 10 years ago

forgot his son's birthday he did forget his son's birthday by the way as I'm looking at the birthdays of survivor San Juan del Sur Jeremy Collins birthday you won't forget it he's born April 20th hey and he professionally deals with smoke

yeah yeah jeremy collins also uh same age as me is that right yeah am i supposed to have some kind of reaction to that i don't know i think you guys are great yeah okay um so you guys are both 25 yeah uh jeremy collins is uh six months older than me okay all right yeah okay um so contemporary Okay. A contemporary appear of Rob Sestranino. Yes. Jeremy Collins. Yes. Okay. So, West Nail was his birthday. Josh remembers West's birthday.

It was a happy birthday. And Keith's like, I forgot. Did I miss the memo? He missed the memo. He missed the memo. That wasn't part of the montage. That being said, Keith,

Keith goes and gets a crab and he gives his son crab for his birthday. Yeah. A cooked crab too. He like stabbed it and then, uh, like gave it to Wes. To Wesley. Did he make a secret fire somewhere?

How did he cook that without West? Yeah, like he pulled the Jane Bright. The plan? Yeah. Did you see Jane? I did see Jane Bright. I didn't ask her about Mr. Farty. Because you were at this thing,

right? You hosted a survivor event in North Carolina. Yeah yeah i was at unc over the weekend and we screened the upcoming survivor episode i actually haven't gotten the download from you about it at all how was it it was good yeah it was very fun uh so uh jane bright started a north carolina alliance was there crystal cox sabrina thompson yeah um johnny fairplay jfp Cox, Sabrina Thompson, Johnny Fairplay, JFP, and Sandra

Diaz-Twine. Yes. And me. How was Jane? Jane was lovely. Yeah. She was super nice. She didn't give you any nicknames? No. She didn't give me any nicknames. She loves Survivor still.

She says she watches it like every episode four or five times. She looks great. She's super nice. You're a podcaster. I'm going to call you Mr. Potty. She did not call me that. Mr.

Potty. She was very nice. Rob, or as I like to call him, Mr. Potty. Which was very nice. Yeah. Yeah. Rob, or as I like to call him, Mr. Potty. I didn't ask her about Marty Piombo or that Stephen Fishback was constantly talking about Marty Piombo

10 years ago. That's a shame. I feel like there's no other way we were going to get a Marty Piombo update at all. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Although I cannot imagine

she has an update, right? I don't think so. I don't think so. No chance. Yes. Okay. All right. So,

roasted crab for wes's birthday no crab overload for wes decent birthday gift as far as survivor goes right i think like if you have a if you're if you are a survivor player who celebrates your birthday out there on the beach what do you want the most probably the answer for like uh like you know uh like uh uh family feud style like on the board number one is food right uh so he gives him a roasted crab all to himself yeah that's not bad that's a pretty good gift. Not bad. All right. So Josh and Reed, Josh, remember of birthdays that they are focused on Jeremy. And Josh says, Baylor owes me. I need to go and find Baylor because she is my friend from before the game.

And I saved her butt and she owes me one. Rob, are we still good? I think so. Right? As far as you know? As far as I know. That's a bad answer probably, right? Are we still good? As far as

I know. It is an evasive... It's kind of an aggressive question, though. It is an aggressive question, but I think it's a really evasive answer. Wait, actually, you know what? Is it an aggressive question? Literally, the question is, we're good, right? Like, doesn't that mean it's like.

Yeah, but what's giving you the implication that we're not? Like, why would we not be? We've been separated for days. And we've only known each other for days so a lot could have changed yeah and she's shady though he doesn't like he's like oops i don't think we're good yeah job but josh remember when you voted for baylor for no reason and didn't tell her like, this is not like the firmest relationship in survivor history. It's not, but oddly that does not really appear to be a part of the calculus for Baylor at all.

Like it's not brought up. And in fact, like she's being shady here because she's already like, you know, pledged fealty to her mother and her mother's obligations. But like, she never once like says anything about like, oh man. And I'm going to like, you know, pledged fealty to her mother and her mother's obligations. But like, she never once like says anything about like, oh man. And I'm going to like, you know, I'm finally going to get justice for when justice brother,

I'm finally going to get a vengeance on Josh for voting for me that one time. Like that's not it. She's not looking for vengeance. So Josh is like, Hey, like, okay. So we have me and Joshosh uh has reed has keith and wes has alec that's five all right we're gonna bring baylor into this baylor owes me from back in the day uh and so we're gonna bring her in meanwhile missy has already promised the Missy and Baylor vote to Jeremy. And Baylor is like, Mom, I don't want to do that.

And Missy is like, Young lady, you just have to be fake, okay? You have to suck it up. She gives a confessional in this episode. She's like, Baylor, she's 20, but sometimes she could be 30 or she could be 10. And she needs to suck it up and be fake and lie to Josh and she can go ahead. Get in the backseat and let me drive. Get in the backseat and let me drive.

I feel like this is a great Missy episode. Yeah. A great, like for Missyy content this is a terrific episode it goes without saying that what you've just played is iconic um we still say this yeah you know get in the back seat and let me drive i don't really say that often but maybe it'll come back i i still say i still say it when anytime uh i can i will i will i will bring it up. But she has a couple of other really quietly great moments. I feel like we could have just gotten the audio from the entire exchange with Keith early in the episode.

That's my kid. Just the way she does all of that. And then you didn't happen to pull her and Julie's conversation later, did you? Because she has this one one you're feeling you're feeling blah you're feeling you're feeling bad you're feeling toast uh like the way that she talks to julie later like just incredible incredible muffin content yeah so muffin is trying to hold it all together here um So Josh. I think she's a great character who maybe should have been able to come back to Survivor. Is that a hot take?

Yeah, I think it's a little hot take. She doesn't make it through the 39 days. I think that there was probably a little bit more of like a desire for Baylor to come back than Missy. I think if it was one or the other, I think a Missy repeat would have been great. I feel like Missy on Second Chances could have been very fun.

Hmm. That's my take. All these years later. I think re-watching San Juan del Sur, I'm not saying that Missy is the person that I'd want to go out and have trail mix with necessarily, but I do think she's somebody

who I would like to continue to have on my television screen okay so josh and reed are making their play to john and jacklyn uh and they're saying like hey go to the end with us we're broadway stars nobody's gonna vote for us uh-huh yeah what does a broadway star make can you think it depends there's a lot of variants the average salary especially like how much money does reed make for being spider-man like do you get a spider-man salary bump i think you'd probably depends on the show but i yeah i don't really get that like nobody's gonna vote for them i'm not sure is it like because we're already famous because there's like we're like new york elites is there some sort of like um i think they're like trying to lean on the stigma of like uh actors have money even though like we're rich

even though the real truth is like actors starving actor is like a thing and they're literally starving actors yeah that's for the trail mix to try it is at the bottom of a bag like they are not filthy rich yeah but like i guess like uh these people don't know any better so maybe it's not the worst pitch for now i guess but john is very impressionable he's like oh yeah yeah oh my that jacqueline they're they're actors she's like i don't know i'm telling you all of the people all of the men of san juan telser are dogs until proven otherwise. Like, it's such dog behavior. Like, oh! But what about them? They could be fun to play

with. Sam Moore says, no, no, no, no, no, no. Stop running away. Don't bark at those. Minimum weekly salary is $2,600. Every person in the show gets $2,600? That feels unlikely. There's a lot of people in some of these shows. Yeah. Yeah. That's a one-man show is really

uh cost affordable yeah all right so oh can i just add all right so we we do have live chatter here uh and so this is from gy 64 uh missy wasn't getting voted on to second chance Do you think your mouth? Homie G. Why? Sixty four. Do we think Missy had a shot? Would Missy have been voted back on second chance? I would say. Get the spot. My answer would be not. I don't think so. I don't think i would have put missy on my ballot

i think i would have voted for missy mama c didn't get on and she was like i think in the same sort of demo hot take you ready what i'd sooner put missy on the mama c mama? Mama C had a catchphrase. Yeah, baby. I'm playing idols, baby. She's got a hundred catchphrases. Love you, bae. Get the back seat. Let me drive. You're toast. You know, Missy is a catchphrase machine over here. Now, Reed

made an impression of her in the public. Anyone who gets read or read it for filth the way that she did, I feel like was doing something right for television. Our friend, uh, tag with did an iconic, uh,

reenactment of the read final tribal council speech on Instagram this week. Ooh. Wow. As like a Halloween thing. I don't think it was for Halloween. Just for fun. She just did it for fun. Yeah.

Cool. Yes. Yeah. Uh, she did the whole thing nice verbatim so maybe people were just like it was we could replay that on the uh finale episode we can get the rights can we secure the rights when we yeah here we'll do is reach out here i'll show you have it now i mean i could could bring stuff up on the screen uh from instagram real quick okay here we go a little bit of this okay she did say halloween um yeah she says uh your halloween gift uh from me to you okay you cast yourself as a motherly figure however fans of classic literary fiction will see you through very quickly to who your true character was which is the wicked stepmother really of the tribe it's the eccentric woman who comes in and makes demands of everyone

for the things to which she feels so entitled you know i mean yeah i mean wow are fans of classic literary fiction gonna vote the wicked stepmother in they didn't vote t-burden they didn't vote t-burden they didn't vote t-burden but you know what uh i do feel like i think there's a lot of reasons to think that like game changers was the wrong idea and came too quickly i think like in the 30s if we had cooled our jets uh and not gone directly that route for 34 and let some of these other things play out millennials gen x these are the three tribe thingies uh and like deeper into the 30s you do another second chance and there were so many people to bring in now i don't know that like there's it's too wide a net for a second chance like missy doesn't have a shot of even being in consideration i i love you

love you bae um i could not disagree with you more this was that missy was she was in as good of a spot as she could have asked for to have come back and was not even considered let alone voted for i you know what there was no clamor at the time no no i didn't get one message where is missy on that you bring you put 36 people up for vote i have like a chance not one person said where's muffin i have i have no influence at all anymore back then i had cachet i had clout i had where were you where were you on this and i would have said do another second chance get missy in here bring her back find me the tweet that you put over the parade.com article you wrote about the injustice of missy not being brought back get me the time machine warg me back into the 10-year machine way back ago i'll change a few things a couple of things will go differently

uh than uh than they did in the 30s one of them will be a second chance to that missy is a part okay we're good luckily we have you recorded in the real time uh from the voicemails of this episode and let's see if you are saying like you know who's an all-star that needs to play no chance absolutely no chance of saying anything like that zero possibility okay all right uh let's uh then catch back up with where we are. Okay. Trail mix gate. Where is all the trail mix? We had a bunch of trail mix. And where is it? Where is all the trail mix gone?

Where is it? It's all gone. And Julie, she's off on her own. And she is a little trail mix in her bag. I believe in her exit interview with me, she described it as uh dirty underwear nuts uh-huh that sounds familiar that sounds very familiar um yeah but you know what these people would have eaten it anyway they wouldn't have cared it's food it's a consumable. Right now, that's all they care about.

If people are going to play, you know, idols that have also been next to nuts, like I think that people are going to eat the nuts that are next to underwear. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm looking at I just did a search for Julie McGee, dirty underwear nuts. Okay. Safe for work. Do you want to bring anything up on the screen? It's safe for work. Uh, yeah. So that, um. Did she talk to me about that? Let's see. Yeah. Well, I think you, that we have, um, from Danielle's notes, she's, uh uh she cites what's going on um so she says she tells uh our friend uh matt carter uh two days later i was looking to have some crumbled up nuts in my bag that had been carted around with my dirty underwear yeah she said to me this was stuff that was sitting in

my disgusting pockets and the bottom of my bag with my underwear. So yeah, Julie McGee, uh, 10 years ago was out here on the exit press. Just talking about her underwear. For some even more valuable. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. So yeah. So yeah. Danielle Mathis, uh, who along with Josh Green. Danielle Mathis, who, along with Josh Green, has been going back that she did a very deep dive into everything from this this episode, maybe like her most extensive research on this, talking to Julie McGee. And, you know, she that it seemed like there was like some controversy that Julie McGee says that she didn't know John Rocker was going to be there, even though other people speculated that that was the case. She didn't know that John Rocker was going to be where? Yes.

So. Let me see. And if she left that, she didn't know if John was going to be there. So she's like, am I going to the jury? Am I going to the who knows what? Is that what she's saying? Mm hmm. Okay.

Yeah. Um, that according to my interview with, uh, with, so this is, uh, Dalton Ross and Jeff did talk about the timing of the quit. And, uh, did she do it to go on the trip with John Rocker? But Julie told Rob that wasn't the case. Um, Julie also told me that Jeff,

uh, said he couldn't even guarantee that Jeff would, that John would still be there. Yeah. Hashtag trail mix scandal. It was the in episode hashtag. And Julie couldn't believe she wasag trail mix scandal. It was the in-episode hashtag. And Julie couldn't believe she was attached to a scandal. Oh, I thought that the in-episode hashtag was hashtag Hoyopa

when we named the merge tribe and painted the flag. They painted the flag, but they said, should we put a hashtag on it? And this would be a great harbinger of what's to come uh in one season later when like okay uh you're hashtagging your merge tribe name hold my beer america america that's coming that's that yeah that's a different episode that would be very interesting years later yeah that's right that's right also that uh Julie McGee did not get to the America Merge episode when we do the world's apart 10-year anniversary series we can then see

if America still exists so that'll be uh very interesting yeah compared also Julie McGee did also julie mcgee did not like uh baylor she was driving julie nuts uh no pun intended uh is that why she quit underrated reason i don't know like she didn't tolerate julie mcgee told me she irritated the ever-living shit out of me so she was i can't spell so i don't know what you just said. And I can confirm that when Danielle listened to your interview with me when we talked about it. Was it an interview? We were talking. It was a conversation.

Yeah, that you also reported that Julie McGee did not like Baylor. Yeah. All right, well, what did she tell me about Baylor? Let's do a little search here. Yeah. All right. Well, what does she tell me about Baylor? Let's do a little search here. Yeah. OK. She says, did you notice I didn't share any of my nuts with her? She's talking about Missy. She says she and I confided in each other quite a bit. And what comes down to the game and playing the game, she wanted to make sure her ass was taken care of and her daughter. And I didn't like her daughter so much. And I said, you didn't like

Baylor? And she says, oh, give me a break again. I guess earlier she had already said, give me a break. And then she says, wait for this. She was just a little know-it-all. Oh! Yeah.

She said, I knew from my hours and hours of discussions with missy about her life and her children i just knew that girl was spoiled rotten oh don't call her a brat yeah she says just the way she acted it just made my skin crawl wow she walked around like she owned the julie was with baylor for like 48 hours she said i said girl you have so much to learn wow julie mcgee roasting baylor drag her queen dragging Baylor. Woo. Yeah. My God. Wow.

Well, I'll tell you what, like Julie, he would not have, Julie McGee would not have been an upvote for Missy or Baylor on second chances. No, I don't think so. Yeah.

All right. Um, so everybody finds Julie McGee had the trail mix. Can you believe this? What she was holding out on us? Uh, they go to the challenge. Uh,

the first of many ball challenges that Keith nail nail is gonna win yes yeah keith nail wins the first individual immunity i had remembered this oddly that josh won immunity but i guess that wouldn't have made the tension at the end of this episode exist so he doesn't but he does well yeah uh and then it comes down to keith versus wes If this is still Wes's birthday, is Keith not doing his son a good deed by, like, should he have let his son win on his birthday? I suspect this is not his birthday. According to the Survivor Wiki,

this is day 16, 17, and 18 of Survivor San Juan del Sur. Okay. So I suspect that the birthday was probably day 17 and the challenge happens day 18. Should she have done it anyway as like a belated birthday present? Like he was already

late to the birthday party. I will give you that crap was a good enough to win. It's not a reward. It's just individual immunity. Individual immunity, more important. Yeah, they say that Wes's birthday was day 17.

Okay. We come back from the challenge. Keith has won individual immunity. And Alec Christie is such a crapster. you know uh he was mad at baylor about that she wasn't working hard enough around camp he what does he say he doesn't feel like uh hey how about the trail mix yeah he's mad i'm a trail mix collector uh yeah where is it and then we see julie she like runs off and missy tries to talk

her back up but the damage is done she's like i'm a smart gal i know that she's just trying missy just wants to keep me to save her numbers and i don't care about that i just i i i love this you're feeling if i forget exactly what you... You're feeling burnt out. You're feeling bad. You're feeling toast. Feeling toast is just like a great button on that. I can feel some toast sometimes. She's trying. Do you feel like toast?

Not right now, but I will... Give it an hour. Yeah. Are we in a sleepy hour right now? No, I'm doing okay. I'm doing all right. I mean, if this podcast goes, you know, for, you know, quite some time longer, it could be. How much more time do we got before your toast?

I'll be all right for a little bit more. You know, I usually work in like a cup of coffee around like three o'clock. I think like, look, I would say we've got 12 minutes of podcasting left, Max. I think we have more than that. I'll take the over on that. All right, let's see. All right, speed it up. I want to win the bet.

Okay, well, we see Jeremy is also kind of bummed out also that we need Julie. Don't track this out to get us past 12 minutes. I'm not trying to. We went on for like 20 minutes about missy's second chances like uh we can't just like yada yada and end the recap i mean you know yada yada she quits uh but she overhears like the trail mix thing she's so pissed uh and then she she marches off she's off yeah it's like no and so jeremy he wants to to shoot at Josh. Josh is trying to get everybody going at Jeremy.

We have this like super interesting developing situation going on where like there's a plan where Jeremy, Jeremy and Josh are in the standoff. Who's going to win out? Hot quiz, pop quiz, hot shot. Wow. out hot quiz pop uh pop quiz hot shot wow they they julie mcgee uh she ends up uh shooting herself yeah shoot the hostage yeah she takes herself out and here comes jeff and and jeff is is a little patronizing here he's like but you know kids go to summer camp or they've gone longer than this. What's. I love that.

He's like talking to her like a homesick summer camp kid. Like you can't go home yet. All right. You know, like we're not halfway through the summer. And I think that Jeff does a pretty good job here of letting Julie McGee, like bury herself. And she's like,

and she's like, and everybody is like judging. Barry is a different Julie. Yeah. And Jeff says, how do they judge you? And then he says nothing. And she proceeds to monologue for like two or three

minutes and ultimately gets, she's all over the place with this, the way that the other players are judging her. I think Julia should just be, look man, can I just go? Like I'm leaving. Can I just go? Like I'm leaving. Can I just go?

I don't know. I want to talk about all this with you. I'm off the show. I'm done. Yeah. But then she's like, yeah, I think people judge me because I take care of myself and they make fun of my boobs. She says.

I didn't hear that at all during the show. She says it. I heard that she said it, but I didn't hear that at all during the show she says it i heard that she said it by the i didn't hear anybody discuss her uh if it's on the editing room floor if it happened i don't think that it happens in universe didn't make it not so i don't think that happens on the show yeah okay so she leaves and jeff comes back all right i got some good news and bad news. You know, the bad news is if you were in an alliance with Julie, she's out of the game. Yeah, it's a great start. More bad news.

If you were hungry for trail mix, you took that too. That's also gone. Yeah. Good news is no tribal council tonight yeah he finds a nice little stump to sit on because you know jeffrey needs a seat and he tells him no tribal and uh both jeremy and josh are upset because both of them thought they had this yep and we see that uh josh i, has a better read on this. No pun intended.

He says that I think that there was a 20% chance that I could have gone home. But I think there was an 80% chance that Jeremy was going home. And I think he's right. Yes. Despite what happens in the next episode. This is what happens when you don't vote. A lot of things can change. Your vote matters. Julie McGee, of things can change. Your vote matters.

Julie McGee, don't just quit. Your vote matters. Jeremy could have gone home. The course of history could have been rewritten. Jeremy goes home here. Josh goes home at some point, but gets put on the second chance ballot with Misty. Josh comes back. Josh wins

second chance. A lot could change here if Judy McGee just votes. Okay. Let me give you some notes from the Survivor Know It Alls. The little frame and frame. Let me just tell you a little bit.

Some hot takes were dropped on the night of November 5th, 2014. Okay. Let's hear them. All right. Steven said of Julie's quit. I'm not in shock, but I'm in outrage.

I'm outraged. Out with Robin. Steven say outrage. This is the worst quit ever. Worse than Nayanka. Is this the worst quit ever. Worse than Nayanka. Is this the worst quit ever? We were in our feelings. Okay.

I think it was just like the most disappointing quit ever because it was like, all right, this is going to be an exciting vote. And then it was a little bit of the, you know, yeah yeah trail mix yeah uh sure yes that being said she didn't she didn't quit because she was on the precipice of like physical violence against a fellow cast mate like uh another season we stand uh so you know like it could have been worse yeah okay uh rob is mad we knew it was coming so how bad could it have really been uh rob is mad that jeff treated julie with kid gloves he wants spicy jeff back i remember that i remember you feeling that way that feels real yeah that feels like it happened okay um. Steven, you'll never guess who gets the fishy, Josh. Is it Missy?

No. Fishy for Reed. Steven says that since nothing really went down, let's raise a glass for Reed. He's a vital part of the duo and he's getting overlooked. Rob said he would have given it to Josh. I don't know what Reed did in this episode to merit a fishy nothing I don't think not really

at least nothing like visible yeah okay I think if anything give Alec Christie the fishy because I feel like his commentary is what pushes Julie over the edge he gets Julie out of the game all right then is what pushes Julie over the edge. She gets Julie out of the game. Mm-hmm.

All right. Then, let's see. Let's go to, okay, I did an interview with Parvati about this episode. Oh. Parvati did pre-game interviews before this season, and she was at Ponderosa.

It was according to Danielle Mathis, who went back and listened to my interview with Parvati. And Rocker and Julie were the last ones. Julie was late because she was finishing her makeup and her friends were concerned how she would do without her blow dryer. Oh, OK. Yeah. She said that when Parvati interviewed Drew Christie, Drew answered, despite her trying to give questions to Alec.

And then after the interview, Drew Christie allegedly told Parvati, after I win, you have to give me your number. Whoa, Drew! And also, according to Parvati, she claimed that Drew Christie made production hate him so the edit makes even more sense. Yeah, I totally believe that, actually. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense to me.

Mm-hmm. Wow. Man, a Blood vs. Water preseason would be very fun. Would have loved to have done one of those. Yeah. Just to sit across from the pears, I think is very funny. Makes sense that Drew wouldn't have let Alex speak.

So much sense. Okay. Let's see. What did we get into? What did we do? What did we talk about? All right. Then Josh Wiggler stated that as of uh this

episode his favorite exit interview has been with drew he likes how drew talks and sounds yes i i feel this way still okay josh also said that danielle quotes you here okay this is not my favorite season of survivor yep okay but i like these people a lot from what i've gotten out of the people i've talked to and looking at those still on the show i like a lot of those people a lot of these people i don't necessarily think that they're great survivor players but i like them i think that was uh josh wiggler at at uh 29 old. Wise beyond his years. Okay. Then Josh Wiggler also said, no way this season finishes in the top half of seasons. Too many quiet characters.

Josh and Jeremy are nice strategically, but there's too many purple characters. However, the season does have Keith nail and Josh is very much pulling for Keith rooting for the person that makes him laugh the most. Yeah. All of that still tracks, except that I think just with the sheer volume of Survivor seasons,

I do think maybe San Juan del Sur ekes out top half now. Could go a little higher. I have thought about, because I've still never done a Survivor season ranking, that if I were ever to write another thing about Survivor, it might be that. What? So it might be a ranking of

the seasons oh okay yeah so okay interesting josh asked if missy and rebecca black were in the same car who would sit where uh yeah i think rebecca drives and no missy drives rebecca black is shotgun baylor's in the back okay Okay. Final answer. And yeah, let's see. For Survivor birthdays, we were blessed with a Wiggler Krista impression and a Rob Wanda impression. I guess this is also Wanda's birthday? Maybe this week.

Maybe this week. Let's do a quick little Google search. Wanda Shirk. Wanda was born in August. maybe it was just impressions yeah yeah okay the stan wanda sir wand off would have been crazy sure well you know we had to figure out the survivor 47 wand off we've been saying we're gonna do one a season and and uh josh i think that the timing wise i think that if people are in the mood um i i feel like that the week of like leading into uh like november

18th like i think two weeks from now like the week before thanksgiving i think it's the time to do it because the next week is thanksgiving the week after that is we're doing the live show so i think it should either be uh we should either fit it in the uh week before thanksgiving or the week after the live show so that uh do you think it would be better to do it like week 12 and then the week after the live show there's probably one episode left there's gonna be an episode on december 11th and december 18th so should we do it like uh like a month from now or should we try to do it yeah i think so right like i think like let's do it uh like going straight into the finale okay yeah that's a good spot for it at that point yeah okay so uh let's plan for the survivor 47 wand off uh around around the week of December 8th.

Wow. Okay. Hot scoop. The week of December 8th is going to be the Survivor 47 Wandoff. And you heard it here first in Stan Juan del Sur. Rob, don't mention this on any of the podcasts for this coming week, and let's see if the news still spreads. Mm-hmm. Like, that's one way to test the waters,

the blood versus waters. That's what's out in there. Well, we'll see. We'll see. You know, the people showed up eventually. Eventually, they just showed up. And then also, my last thing about what Survivor 47 has in common with Survivor San Juan del Sur. Rachel got swapped this week and she was in a tough spot.

I'm going to vote for whoever that's not me to get me out of this very sticky situation. Oh! Feels like you're stepping gum. Yeah. whoever that's not me, to get me out of this very sticky situation. Oh! Feels like you stepped in gum. Yeah, how about that, Rachel? Feels like I stepped in gum. Got honey in my hair. My Dairy Queen is melting. And getting everywhere.

Like a moving theater floor. You hear every step. You're my sweet temptation. I don't know whether I love or loathe that those lyrics are still in my bones. I feel like I stepped in gum. Yeah. Little spoiled brat. That's what Sheila McGee was saying. yeah little spoiled brat all right well we've made it past 12 minutes but we're still I didn't try to like you know I didn't want to give

people the pie the listeners the short shrift but I wasn't trying to drag my feet ever absolutely never we would never do such a thing yeah okay all right okay Absolutely never. We would never do such a thing. Yeah. Okay. All right. Whoa. Barack Obama just texted me. Yes? What did he say? He's

reminding me that it's election day and to make a plan to vote at IWillVote.com. What is this? Amateur hour? Come on. I hope that he sent this to Julie McGee. Wait. Today's election day did i miss the memo oh oh keith okay all right yep we will be back uh to talk about finally uh shots fired in josh versus jeremy yeah i'm excited i'm excited i mean I've had such a good I think the San Juan Del Sur pre-merge

is very fun and very funny but this is when the game comes online because these two need to go and then Natalie's going to start her stuff and I actually remember this not as well as I remember the pre-merge I don't really remember this part so well either I remember like from

Natalie on but I feel like that there's going to be you know two back to back episodes where Josh is but I feel like that there's going to be, you know, two back-to-back episodes where Josh is going to go and then Jeremy's going to go. Yeah. So I think like an opportunity for like a lot of like

DiCaprio pointing at the screen of like, oh yeah! Like I think a lot of that's about to happen. Next episode coming up, this is going to be Wrinkle in the Plan, they call it.

November 12th, 2014. Okay. Well, okay. Looking. It would be one year to the day before my son, Anthony was born. Wow. Cool. That's awesome.

Yeah. Yeah. And then he's born during second chances. He's born during second chances. And then he's born during Second Chances. He's born during Second Chances. And then one year to the day. I filled in for you on a bunch of stuff. Yeah. One year to the day after that is when Wentworth Does Not Count happened.

Oh, yeah. That will be the day before he's born. Yeah. I talked to Andrew Savage that day. And then I talked to Marty Piombo because I had my pick of the litter of who are we going to get. Mr. Farty. He did the recap and I was like it should be Mr. Farty.

Let's get Mr. Farty on the line and it's a little dry. Like the Nicaragua climate. Josh, what's coming up for you? Oh, my gosh. Lots going on on We Know Scripted TV.

We've got the return of a couple of shows or the return of one show that we are going to be doing full court coverage on. Full court coverage on Mike Bloom and the second season premieres next week. And maybe not the only Apple TV Plus show that starts with an S that we will be talking about on RHAP in the near future. So keep an ear out

for some of that. Speaking of things that my memory is severed from. So lots going on. memory is severed from. Uh, so lots going on. We know scripted tv.com. All right. Thank you so much for joining us. We'll be back,

uh, next week, uh, to talk about the episode eight of survivor San Juan del Sur. This episode is eight as well though. Yes. Julie McGee eight. She did.

All right. Thank you so much everybody. Take care of a good one. We've said episode several at some point. I got it in just at the end. Thank you.

Take care everybody. Have a good one. Bye.