RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor San Juan Del Sur Ep 8 | 10 Year Anniversary

Episode Date: November 12, 2024

Rob Cesternino and Josh Wigler are back to dissect episode eight of Survivor: San Juan del Sur, marking its 10-year anniversary.

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And it sounded just like this. As long as you keep burping, I guess you're okay. Taco Overload, baby! That's right. We're back with Josh Wiggler. Josh, he's a good boy. He hasn't been arrested.

That you know about. That I know about. Yeah. He didn't tell me. I didn't make him submit to a background check. Whoever said I didn't kill anybody. I didn't make him submit to a background check. Whoever said I didn't kill anybody. Yeah. Yeah. I feel sick today, I got to be honest with you.

What's wrong? I ate a lot of lunch. Too much? Bunch of tacos. You know, I watched San Juan del Sur. I got in the mood. I got steak tacos down. Portabellas.

Some chicken tinga Yeah That's a big lunch I had some Ropa Viejo Is this a bit Or you really ate all this for lunch today I I'm

Stuffed Yeah In preparation of this This is your Method podcaster Well I wanted to get I wanted to get a little method with this episode yeah i wanted i wanted to i wanted to know what it felt like to experience taco overload yeah so famously

that was the hashtag uh 10 years ago tonight on uh november 12th uh 2014 hashtag is it still being used no well i didn't check the hashtag yet uh but that they they took the hashtag off of the episode on paramount plus oh it's not on there no i feel like i've seen some hashtags on on these episodes on paramount Plus, but this, that was not there. Did something happen in like, uh, with, uh, like, uh,

tacos that like, they don't feel proud of that anymore. I just wonder if they're, if it's like the projects are layered and they just didn't export it with that layer of like promos and hashtags and stuff like that. At the Nicaragua taco bar. I do feel like I've seen hashtags on some of the other episodes. Yeah.

I'm not so sure why we're getting rid of the taco overload. I think of all the hashtags back. All right. Remember when you used to end every podcast calling out a hashtag? Yeah. When did that stop? And why? Yeah.

I feel like that. Bring it back. I used to do it on like especially long podcasts and then i feel like maybe the podcast got not as long yeah i don't know we can get it back but i don't think that people really use the hashtags i think hashtags are pretty diminished in their popularity among the issues now is that we are scattered to the seven winds on social media these days. So where does the hashtag even apply? Are we on X? Are we threading?

Are we skeeting over at blue sky? Is this an Instagram hashtag? Is it just a hashtag in our hearts? We have to, you know, answer these questions before I think we implement the hashtag again. But it used to be one of my very favorite things that we did here on RHAP. Yeah. I love the hashtag. I think even just like a spiritual hashtag.

I think actually the Stan Wandelser podcast is probably a great place to be doing the hashtags since that's so 10 years ago. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, it truly is. So if you want to reincorporate any hashtags here into this podcast, we're welcome to.

But Josh, you know, we've been trying to track all season long similarities between survivor 47 and also survivor San Juan del Sur. Yes. I think there is one through line across both the timelines okay uh talk talk me through it the timelines intersect with hashtag margarita curse yeah i think like um rushing to crush a margarita on survivor or really any who has this worked for actually

i guess is a question like who has this worked out well for who does number two work for who does number two work for uh who does number two work for uh when it comes to drinking out there on the beach uh because i feel like number two doesn't work out so well when you drink that much on the beach. Yeah. You know, you don't want to overdo it. I want historical examples from the chat. Who on Survivor has gotten, let's call it, schlitzt?

Who's gotten schlitzt out there on the beach, and who has it worked out for? Inquiring Vines would like to know. Yeah. All right. So, good question. You a margarita man? I don't really know exactly.

You a margarita Pete's? Am I a margarita man? Yeah, I'm asking. I don't mind a margarita. I'm not a big frozen margarita guy. If anything, I'll get a margarita on the rocks. Yeah, yeah. You don't mind a margarita. I'm not a big frozen margarita guy. If anything, I'll get a margarita with rocks. Yeah, yeah. You don't like a margarita neat?

Hmm, no ice? Yeah, just kind of room temp. No, I don't want a room temp margarita. That was pretty gross. Yeah. Okay, we've got an answer on the who got drunk and it worked out for them front. Heidi says Mike White. Sure.

But that was more like day 38, day 39. Yeah. Yeah. But like there's also people who like get to day 39 and they're like, oh, man, I could let my hair down. I made it to the end. It's out of my hands now. Let me just drink this mimosa. And then, bam, you're slipping on rocks and slicing

your back open like ades bushkowskis typically also of a blood versus water season yeah you shouldn't uh really get too involved with alcohol on survivor i think that's a pretty good rule of thumb i think probably maybe this is just like a very like, whoa, so straight edge here to say. I don't think drink don't drink on Survivor. Like if you're going to go out to Survivor, don't drink. I mean, many survivors have had a beer, you know, had a glass of wine and not had any problems with it. It's a risk. Unnecessary risk.

Much like the tacos. Don't overdo it. You know what? If I ever find myself out there on Survivor, Rob, I'm not drinking. I'm not drinking on the beach. Okay. I won't do it. You didn't, when you were at Ghost Island, open up a brewski?

I may or may not have been past a couple, but. Mm-hmm. Okay. I mean, if you listen to first one out goes zero at the end you would be excused for thinking that i got schlitzt yes all right let's talk a little bit about uh what's going on here in episode number eight this is ultimately a episode that is going to culminate in uh the end of the josh versus jeremy standoff uh which uh almost came to pass last time out when Julie McGee quit. And Josh Canfield ends up getting voted out here in this episode.

And I kind of this is a little bit of a fuzzy part of the season for me. I don't really remember too much about this, but this was certainly interesting to go back and watch. Yeah. Can I tell you my review of this episode? Sure. Oh, you didn't like it i didn't love it why what was it that you did not like you know the things that i like are are all the stuff that i love about sam wandel sir but in my memory the uh the elimination of josh and subsequent elimination of jeremy is a lot more dramatic than it ends up being. No.

And there's not, well, this drama shoot drops next week. Uh, but Josh is Josh's, uh, uh, elimination from the game feels like a very foregone conclusion. Uh,

there's really like no, like they don't even really let him, uh, do much in the way of like giving like sort of like a cap to his story. Yeah. Maybe this is also just like as a fellow Josh I'm just a little salt in the margarita wounds

over here. Yeah. The highlight of the episode is definitely the reward which we don't say. Not even close. Let's go through it and talk through thoughts on all of this. Can I just ask quickly? I know Josh got voted out of the show this week.

I'm not getting voted out of this podcast, am I? No. I mean, you're not going to replace me with John? Yeah. As long as you're not spitting and farting, burping. Not on podcast. Well, I guess I did. Well, I guess I did Well, I guess I did just blow a raspberry into the microphone.

Does that count? You're fine. Okay. You're fine. Anyway, so last time, we remember, Jeremy was probably going to go home. And Julie quit. And it was a million-dollar decision for somebody. It turned out to be for Natalie, I think.

And so John and Jacqueline are in the middle john and jacklyn and they're real once again they said at the tribal council i can't believe it john and jacklyn are always in the middle yeah didn't they make a sitcom about that john and jacklyn in the middle i I mean, the middle? No? Maybe? I don't think so. I don't know. Would John and Jacqueline be good anchors of a sitcom? Um... I think they kind of have the typical CBS relationship of the... I get...

Jacqueline is the sometimes disapproving wife, and John is the lovable dum-dum. Yes. So respectfully to John and Jacqueline, they would not be my first round pick for sitcom characters from San Juan Del Sur. Clearly, I'm going Missy, my beloved and Baylor for sure is the sitcom that I want to watch. is the sitcom that I want to watch. But I guess you're right in terms of like, if we're assigning these loved one pairs to sitcoms on different networks. Yeah.

I do think that John and Jacqueline are the CBS sitcom here, for sure. I think that Keith and Wes are on Paramount. Interesting. Is it in the Yellowstone universe? Yes. Yes. It's a Taylor Sheridan written

nail. Yellow nail. They got to get that looked at. Yellow nail. It's going to fall off. It looks gross. It's really bad. I think...

Who else is left in the game? Josh and Reed. I feel like they've got ABC energy to me. I think their sitcom has left in the game? Josh and Reed. I feel like they've got like ABC energy to me. I think their sitcom would have been ABC. I think Alec and Drew would be Fox. Yeah, I could see that. Even Netflix. Yeah. Yeah, I think like Missy and Baylor are like a Netflix show.

It's like, what is that show that's like? Missy and Baylor, like a Netflix show. It's like, what is that show that's like... Missy and Baylor, I feel like are like ABC family. That doesn't exist anymore, does it? Well, look, it did. And you can imagine it. Yeah, yeah. But isn't there like a show that's on Netflix that's like one of the top Netflix shows

that you always see in like the charts? Ginny in Georgia? That's it, that's see in like the charts. Ginny in Georgia? That's it. That's it. What is it? Ginny in Georgia? Is that it? Ginny in Georgia?

That's a show. Yeah. Have you ever met a single person who watches it? I think there's an SNL sketch about this. Is that really? I think so. I just don't think it exists. But anyway, I think like the Missy and Baylor show would be sort of like that.

Also, Gilmore Girls adjacent. So maybe CW. Maybe. Anyway, we could spend a lot of time here. All right. So, John, they were going to vote out Jeremy. John doesn't want to work with Jeremy. Jacqueline is more open to it.

He doesn't really think that they could beat Jeremy if they keep him around. So this is sort of in John's mind. And John and Jacqueline are not going to exactly be on the same page through a few of these votes during the post-merge. Put that on the back burner. It's

time for a reward challenge. What's John's major concern about jeremy here he's a firefighter with children he's a firefighter and he says he can a firefighter who's barely getting by i want you don't worry about jeremy's finances yeah jeremy's fine it's fine jeremy's fine uh he's doing great he doesn't think he could beat him in the challenges i think or in the final tribal council. Yeah. Yeah. So we're going to go for reward. We're going to play for a trip to the survivor taco bar.

Yeah, baby. Yeah. And my favorite thing that we hear is that apparently like Reed says that Josh has been talking about this for a long time. The whole time he's talking about Mexican. Yeah. He's been talking about the for a long time. The whole time he's been talking about Mexican. Yeah. He's been talking about the survivor taco bar and it's like, whoa, I didn't realize that like the survivor taco bar was such a prolific thing.

I didn't take it so much that he was talking about the survivor taco bar. I, that he was craving Mexican food the whole time. It was craving. Yeah. And I mean, dude lives in New York city where famously there's no good Mexican food. Yeah. I mean, craving. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Dude lives in New York City where famously

there's no good Mexican food. Yeah. I mean, now they're in Nicaragua. They're pretty close. Did the Hopskipper jump to Mexico? Almost. Not quite.

Almost not quite. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know what Nicaraguan food is like, but maybe. It's akin. Akin.

Listen, I would be thrilled to test uh test out the nicaraguan taco bar uh like send me there uh do we have company resources to try this out research nicaraguan food is a flavorful blend of indigenous Spanish and African influences. Okay, nice. Hearty meals. Is that hearty, like it goes to your heart or it comes from your heart? Yeah. I think it's more like a hearty dish with meat, green plantains, and yucca. Yeah, yucca.

Cucillo. Yucca's delicious. Yeah. Good stuff. Yeah, that sounds delicious, by the way. I would eat some of that if I hadn't already gorged at the Brooklyn taco bar. Okay. So, all right. So, the yellow team wins reward. That is Jeremy, Natalie, Wes, Keith, and Reed. And the challenge is what? Move heavy, like boulder, bricks, and then...

Use a pulley system. Use a pulley system. And there is a point where Jeff even calls it out that the yellow team is very organized the blue team is just like stacking their blocks and it looks like one is going to fall off jeff says like uh if one of those falls it's gonna take somebody's head off it's like yeah yeah that this is not a good idea is he so what do you think is he like narrating that or is he like yelling off camera to kierierhofer and crew?

Like, what are we doing? I think it's a little late for that. I think he's sort of just trying to plant the seed. Like, hey, blue team, be careful. Yeah. We don't want to get sued. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

But they get through it fine. And the yellow team wins. No one's head fell off in the making of this challenge. And yellow team has to pick somebody to send to Exile Island. And Keith Nail says, hey, I think John can handle it. Yeah. He nominates John quickly. And there's really no one is fighting hard against that.

It's a fairly quick consensus pick, send John. Yeah. And he's like fairly quick consensus picks and John. Yeah. And it's like, well, I think John can handle it. And he's like, Oh,

okay. Thanks a lot guys. Okay. Uh, I guess the compliment, John is, John is absolutely the right person to send by the way. Sure. But like,

just, just like in terms of like who, not, not even like who can handle it in terms of like the hardship, but who's not going gonna be hurt or offended uh in being selected to go to um to exile island and that's for sure john mish

john mish is like oh an adventure can't wait you know like oh something new shiny object take me there because an alec also yeah hasn't been to exile island yet no does he go i don't remember i Alec also. Yeah. Alec hasn't been to Exile Island yet. No.

Does he go? I don't remember if he goes. I don't believe so, but we'll see. All right. Missed opportunity. All right, so Survivor Taco Bar. Here we go. Not a lot of game talk at Survivor Taco Bar because you have people that are in opposite alliances.

You have Jeremy and Natalie who were trying to send Josh home. You have Wes and Keith and Reed who were trying to send Josh home. You have Wes and Keith and Reed who were trying to send Jeremy home. Yeah. So they're not really talking at all so much as burping and farting. Yeah. Okay. So Wes tries to say, boy, good thing Julie quit because, or too bad she quit. That was going to be my pick.

And then we had to go to tribal. Yeah. Keith is really on that too. He's like, oh man, it's a shame that julie quit that's where my vote was going now i don't know what to do jeremy's like come on come on all right meanwhile i'm not looking forward to jeremy being off this season by the way yeah but that's also the start of Natalie's story, which again, Natalie, pretty still not super visible, even in this episode.

We're not doing much with her. I would be interested, actually. Do the Ponderosa videos for this season still exist? I have no idea. Someone find... Can we get our San Juan del Surrogates on this, please? Josh.

Josh Green and Danielle. Source the Ponderosa videos for us, please, because I remember the bromance between Josh and Jeremy being very fun. I would like to see that again. Okay. Yeah, I don't know if they were doing them, but we'll see. If they came up, they would have been mentioned in the real time. Yeah.

Yes. Yes. Let's talk about the taco overload situation. Wes, he is hungry. Now, Wes was on the tribe that did not eat a lot of rice and then he ended up

flipping over to the tribe that did get rice and kebabs, but he's still hungry. Yeah. I want three or four hard tacos, double cheese, double meat. Take it easy. Slow and steady. Wins the race. Yeah. Yeah, I've heard that

one, Dad. Double cheese, double meat. Double cheese, double meat. He's a Double cheese, double meat. Double cheese, double meat. He's a double cheese, double meat collector, this West male. And I love like three or four hard shell tacos. Is he saying this is what he's eaten already? No, this is his order. He's ordering more. He's like grabbing the waiter.

And this is what he's telling them. He's putting the onus on the waiter to decide between... Oh, three or four hard tacos, double cheese, double meat. Take it easy. Slow and steady. Wins the race. Wins the race. And he's still pounding beers and margaritas. Wes is going off. wes is going nuts he's he is going to

he's going to flavor town uh and he may not come back um now he says he tells the waiter three or four tacos so the waiter has to decide that yeah it's like a buffet probably bring them four um do you did he did i miss did i hear that right three or four did he say 304 did he ask for 304 i don't think he said 304 hard shell yeah tacos double cheese double meat yeah and he is instantly regretting it is instantly regretting it. Keith said, Wesley, now slow down. He's like, yeah, right. And

he's gonna start now trying to make himself feel better. As long as you keep burping, I guess you're okay. A lot of burping. This might be the episode in Survivor history. Most burping, farting, spitting.

I was surprised that uh that west didn't continue his trend of calling out that his father's words were in reference to like old tales like folklore like slow and steady wins the race as long as you keep burping you'll be all right yeah like grandpa joe and char Charlie when they were drinking fizzy lifting drinks and nearly got blended up in the fan. Keith Nail has a little bit of a Grandpa Joe vibe. There's a bit of a Grandpa Joe. And I think actually there's a little bit more of a Charlie Bucket to Wes. I think it's more of an Augustus Gloop.

Yeah, save some for later. But I think that Wes Nail and charlie bucket kind of have the same hair hmm you see that i could see it yeah you know also um the trip to the chocolate factory was a bit of a san juan full of hard shell tacos but right it was a little bit of a blood versus water there you had to go with your loved one yeah the, the parents cleaned house. The parents netted out quite well. The children tribe got eviscerated. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, swiftly. Yep. All right. So, yeah, Wes is not feeling good. He's getting sick. Keith is a little embarrassed. He tries to explain about... I'm sorry for my son. About his son. Wes is a good kid. He ain to explain about... I'm sorry for my son. About his son.

Wes is a good kid. He ain't been in jail yet, you know. But he does make some mistakes. He hasn't been to jail yet. That was 10 years ago. Can we... Do we have the San Juan del Sur? Have they looked at the correctional records?

The smoking gun? Yeah, since 10 years. Has Wes been in or out of uh jail at this point this is an interesting episode for keith for sure because he has everything going on with wesley and that he is like trying to like he's like oh uh you know i don't know who raised him i don't know i think it was his mother but then also he gets into it with missy quite a bit about baylor in this episode yeah later on later on it's like he hadn't had enough at the taco bar himself he had to eat a whole foot too yeah that that's no good that's no good later on but the west nail stuff at the taco bar uh still

very fun put west nail on second on Second Chances 2. Yeah? Yeah. I think so. I think this is Wes's best moment. I mean, Wes's two iconic moments. No, Wes's best moment is still to come, I think. Either he ate 50 nuggets once. I'm laughing even thinking about it.

I mean, could we just get, like, Wes Nail? I think that's next week or two weeks from now. I don't know if he needs to play Survivor again, but could we get him on something like Man vs. Food or some kind of week or two weeks from now. I don't know if he needs to play Survivor again, but can we get him on something like Man vs. Food or some kind of like... I don't know. Are they still... So I know that Adam Richman was the original host of Man vs. Food and then

the very sweet also, much like the men of San Juan del Sur, kind of has dog energy. Casey Webb has been the host of Man vs. Food for the last several years. But if he's no longer in that role, I do think Wes could be quite good for it. I would be down for a Wes Nail. I don't know what you call...

Is it just Taco Overload with Wes Nail and it's him versus various tacos? I don't know. Now, famously, you were a Nail male. I was. Yes. And am. Are you adopting Wes? Yeah, he's part of the Nail clan.

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in this episode. We see first that Josh is working on Jacququeline and baylor but i feel like that even in josh's swan song on the season not josh's finest hour no no he basically goes up to baylor and says baylor baylor come on yeah you know like that's the pitch i believe the term is quid pro quo yeah no quid pro quo no quid pro quo yeah quid pro quo might come back though i do think uh qpq is gonna make a comeback here he's like you owe me one yeah don't you think you owe me one Baylor Baylor she said oh my god yeah she doesn't love it um yet this this is sort of like the full disintegration of Josh and Baylor and I do think that like the merge handling of Baylor on Josh's behalf look blood versus water seasons I

think are tricky and I think are uh like not the norm so I think maybe some of like the regular ways you grade survivor or like the the conventional ways that you play the game there's there's x factors right there's loved ones all of that um so like i don't want to grade them too harshly that being said josh's handling of baylor in the merge in these two episodes was not great it's really it's really bad and sort of i do think in hindsight perhaps sully's the reputation josh accrued in the first portion of the game that Josh is really good at this. Like maybe he's not. It's a possibility. I think that Baylor was just like his ultimate Achilles heel where it was like his game, his social game with a lot of the other players was actually very good. He's working with the likes of, you know, the Alec and John Rocker and even like uh friendly enough with Dale and you know it seemed like that he actually got along pretty well with almost all of the guys yeah and

uh I honestly like it feels like that the uh the women players uh were where he had problems yeah and I think interestingly when when it comes to Baylor, I think he kind of just treated her like a kid who was just going to go along for the ride, who was going to be totally fine with getting a stray vote at that first tribal council, who was totally going to be in his back pocket for the rest of the thing,

get in the back seat, let me drive. But you're not her dad. Yes. You know, like you can't treat her like that you gotta treat her like an animal like the babysitter while missy was on the other tribe and then mama bear is home okay yeah you told mom you told your mom like but we had like that whole thing like you said you wouldn't tell like we like i gave you pizza after dark which we're not supposed to do and light and water and all of that after midnight uh and look at you you've gone full gremlin on me uh so yeah i think like there's

there's something there i i just think that like the way that josh handled baylor is quite bad not great uh is it's not very good and like so the point, though, that he knows that, too, probably at this point, where he's like, ah, screw it. Yeah. And as has been well-documented across all of the podcasts for many, many years, Survivor and Big Brother, the, okay, you owe me one never, ever works. Kind of worked with Weasel Wu.

But that was different. That wasn't that you owe me one. That was like, you need to prove with this next decision that you're an honorable person. It's not like I got you to the end. Has I owe you one ever worked? I'm trying to think of when it did work. Who has like cashed in on the IOU?

You owe me. You owe me one. Don't forget. Yeah. IOU is a bad form of currency. If Dumb and Dumber didn't already prove it, then San Juan del Sur certainly is driving the point home. Mm-hmm. Okay.

So on XL Island, John is able to find the hidden immunity idol. Yes. Yeah. And again, like it is like sort of like, like, all right, doggy, here's a treat, you know? And he's like, oh, go sniff it out. And he's like, he's like a drug sniffing dog. He's going out there. He goes to like the rock.

He finds the thing behind the rock. The thing that really uh struck me during this was that you know we're really in nicaragua and i feel like that this like is an iconic landmark in the nicaragua seasons that i'm trying to think of if this was what if this was redemption island during the titular redemption island i feel like or if this was just like part of like the beach matt orod matt orod used to hang out here yeah matt orod out here yeah this was his spot yeah did an ayanka hang out in these parts like just like the the through line of the nicaraguan survivor players i do i do think that there's um obviously at this point with like fiji like

fiji is like okay well like uh we moved around the country your entire life but we finally bought a house and it's like oh stability but also like yeah you know i know that that's the well it's that long path to the well uh there's the rock formation with like the hole in it. And like, it's like overly familiar. These seasons where they went back a couple of times. So like when we went back to like Samoa a couple of times, we go back to Nicaragua a couple of times. There is some nostalgia for me because it's not like overdone in the face of Fiji that I feel like seeing this rock,

which we're not going to see like all the time forever on Survivor, but there are these four seasons where this is a landmark. It's a cool thing to be like, John Misch got the idol at the same place where Matt Elrod suffered for 30-some-odd days. The ghost of Matt is still here. That stuff, I think, is really fun Survivor lore that you could still say that now about Fiji, that all of these various things happened here.

It's just not as special, right? It's not special in that same way. Okay. So John Mish, he ends up finding the idol on exile. Meanwhile, back at camp, things are really turning against the guys. And this ends up probably being an oversimplification of this story, but it seems like Jeremy was on the hot seat. Then Jacqueline spent time with Wes and Alec. Well, Wes was on the hot seat all night.

He was on the hot seat all night. And they're talking about burping and farting and missy is appalled jeremy talks about how he goes to the firehouse and look there's you know there's a lot of guy talk but when there's a when there's these guys have no manners yeah have some manners yeah and jeremy's girl dad yeah have some manners um Even Keith, though, is kind of rude about Baylor. He says that, hey, if she was my kid, I probably would have

whooped her six or seven times. Only Keith. I really do think, I think we said this towards the very beginning of this, that Keith may have been the last person to go on Survivor who could really get away with talking like this. This shouldn't really be allowed.

But Keith was able to pull it off. He pulled it off. He was a fan favorite. People love him. She's talking about whooping kids. What are we doing, Keith? If she was his daughter he would have okay that makes it a lot better uh and then alec is like clean this for me baylor

this ain't no charity now this ain't no charity now. Yeah. Yeah. This ain't no charity now. Blew up my skirt revisiting that. That was amazing. That was incredible. And they need their votes. Nobody ever accused the majority of the San

Juan del Sur cast of being particularly clever yeah or candidates for the brains trap you know josh i'm sorry um yeah josh ends up to me tell me if you get this he's a little bit like scar in the lion king oh and that he has been prepared yes he should have been prepared and then he has like... He should have been prepared. Yes, he should have been prepared. And then he has like his hyenas that work for him. Yeah. That are kind of like dumb and like not following the direction so great.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think that's right. Wait, there's no bailer? Yeah, we're going to kill him. Whoa, I don't understand. Like, you know, like just like the whole like laughing their way to their grave. These hyenas.

Uh, yeah. I don't know what show they think they're on. Yeah. They, the show where they think they have the numbers. They think John's coming back and that, you know,

the, the women need to be working more around the camp. Baylor's spoiled. She's getting a free ride. Yeah. Yeah. The backseat, other people are driving like take

now it's like your turn to drive it is so notable to me um like again the x factors of a of a blood versus water season that like you are you know on any other season of survivor you're going to talk to the players the way you're just going to talk to them because you don't have to be afraid that like their parent is around the corner but like they're saying all this stuff in front of her mom uh i just feel like the way that they're like treating baylor it also does sound like that just like to be like fully transparent about this it does sound like that baylor was not a contributor at all around the camp life and was sort of just like skating by that missy was her mom even like when we uh got the exit press from julie julie mcgee even hated baylor and said she was annoying

and that she didn't do anything around the camp keith is saying like uh hey baylor come on help me get some wood and then missy's like i'll get'll get it, I'll get it. You know, Baylor's like, I need to go take a nap. I'm not out here defending Baylor, certainly, in terms of her work ethic around the camp. But, like, maybe in this particular circumstance, just as a thought, perhaps the move is, like, you set Missy aside and say, hey, can I talk to you quickly about Baylor?

Love Baylor. Enjoying playing the game with Baylor. Would love to continue playing the game with Baylor. Could you talk to her about working around the camp a little bit more? She's not really contributing much. Like, is there something we can do? Hey, nobody better talk about my baby like that. You want to be toast?

You do a great messy I never tried it before well that something came out of you she's got that mama bear energy you know you she doesn't want any sort of feedback about don't tell me how to raise my kid mm-hmm yeah. Yeah. That's my daughter. Yeah. You can't be coming after my kid. Yeah. So she's like, like, you know,

not loving that all of this is happening right in front of her. But, yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

Immunity challenge. The Missy within, the Missy within Rob Sestranino is a fascinating thing to have discovered here on Stan Wandelser. Yeahster yeah and sometimes that misimpression just shows up sometimes i'll tell my wife uh like hey i think that the kids should be like hey don't be telling me how to raise my kid that's my kid like i just thought i'd live here too i'm the dad yeah something like uh does nicole do most of the driving um when i drive

when i'm in the car okay i was asking more like when the kids are in the car i mean i think she put 20 000 miles on the car last year um she is driving a lot that's a lot of driving because the school's not that close and then my kids will routinely on any given day forget something my wife will drive you know 20 minutes to the school come back and then have to go and go again i'm not one to try and tell you how you guys got to raise your kids rob but maybe we need to talk to the boys about remember your belongings there's because you're there's signs gas ain't cheap yeah hey and time is money i'll talk to them if you need me yeah if you could if you could appreciate that okay immunity challenge i did not have any

recollection of this if you would have asked me, did Jeremy win individual immunity in San Juan del Sur? I would have said, no, I would have, I would have told you the answer to the trivia question. What, what immunity challenges has Jeremy Collins won? I remember that he won the final four immunity challenge in survivor second chances. I did not have any recollection of his immunity challenge win here in the memory comp yeah i missed the memory comp is this the last time we see the memory comp i know certainly not we we keep doing this gotta come back yeah i really liked it when there would be like uh like uh i like the outbacks version of this i thought was a fun one um where like you like you see the thing on the board and then you got to go and pick it

out in the field uh but like the here's like uh here's like a a six-sided die you know is it cinematic no is it different yeah so i think like in the context of all these like big brawler challenges i kind of like having it here but i do think maybe this challenge lends itself a bit to like the dud the duddiness of this episode for me a little bit yeah um thrilled for jeremy though i had also forgotten this. I absolutely thought going into this tribal coming into this week, watching the episode that like, that was part of the tension.

We just don't know. But the moment that Jeremy wins, it's like, yeah. And it also comes down to Josh and Jeremy are the last two people in the challenge. So kudos to Jeremy for winning the challenge. And then it's sort of like,

they don't even really sell like a, another outcome here after the challenge. So they're talking about like voting out Baylor now instead of Jeremy. Yeah, I believe Reid's pitch to John and Jacqueline. He goes up to them and says, we're thinking Baylor. She's just annoying. Mm hmm. I think is really the pitch.

It's like she's annoying. It's time to get rid of her. That's it. So I don't know. I think maybe we could have, I don't know, if you were on Josh and Reed's side of this war, what's your pitch?

What do you do? Is there any maneuverability? Is there any wiggle room in this vote? Yeah, I feel like that for Reed and Josh. And again, I know we don't see a lot. Could they sit down with John and Jacqueline and say, like, hey, like, let's let's be the final four. The four of us. Let's go, let's go to the end. You are our number one pair. Let's do this.

Let's vote with, uh, Keith and like, uh, like Jacqueline, if there's any, again, I don't know how much visibility they have into do Josh and read,

know that Jacqueline is getting annoyed with how the guys are treating her. Could that, you know, issue come to light perhaps and it's like okay we're gonna talk to uh Wes and Alec and that they are going to be on their best behavior they're gonna apologize to Jacqueline and you know is there a world where but does because it doesn't even seem like I would have said that oh Missy has a hold on john but john i think seemingly wants to work with i don't know who necessarily has the hold on jacklyn i do think that natalie does a

really good job at this episode it's very subtle but she's really like stirring the pot like like the oh can you believe these guys like she's really like trying to make, you know, Jacqueline like feel like that. OK, that they are she's being treated poorly here. Yeah. I mean, I think one thing I was thinking about is like and, you know, we don't get to see everything. So who knows? Like, did Josh go to Jacqueline? Did he have like a private conversation? I guess, you know, the show doesn't really focus on them having much of a relationship at all. And she was on the outside for much of those, you know, early Coyopa votes. But is there any kind of like attempt there? conclusion that she's the one to go for here uh like josh has put a lot of work even if he's done a fairly poor job of managing baylor but he has put a lot of work into baylor here who's like another target that you toss out at this moment couldn't everyone agree that they would be better

off without alec you know like i feel like can you sacrifice one of your own in this moment i feel like could the move be like i saw the way that alec and wes treated you and i don't know that like we can split keith and wes up and not have some kind of a dust up but alex alone out i just don't know if josh and uh reed know about the issues that are going on that jacklyn is feeling some type of way about Wes. There's so little action on the beach. Like nothing happens. They'd have to be pretty daft to not pick up on the fact that like Alec and Wes.

Do you lose Wes though? Do you lose Keith peeling off though? If you're trying to throw away Alec. But you know what, you know what you do? You survive one more day. Yeah. And I think that,

you know, for Josh and Reed, they've sort of had like the cold war with jeremy so much so i think it's hard to like triangulate where they're voting on the same side where this thing is coming to a head yeah yeah so i don't know i i think like part of the the energy just sort of being like zapped from this chunk of the episode i think there's a lot of really fun stuff obviously yeah. The taco bar is incredible. Josh, I think that there's also a hangover from the Julie episode where basically we had like three days of play that we're

leading up to. It's either going to be Josh or it's going to be Jeremy. And it was going to be Jeremy and then Jeremy won immunity. So then it sort of like doubled back to like, okay, well, it was going to be Josh or Jeremy and then Jeremy's safe, so. Right. No, that makes sense. That makes sense. So it's a little bit like, like ah we already did this

there's not that much new things to strategize about sure like the world has not changed that much other than jacqueline getting really uh getting the ick yeah brendan was gonna go home then joe dowdle's leg fell off and then brendan just anyway. Right. Like it's like that. Yep. All right. And Keith nail, uh, does tell Missy to her face. But Missy, she doesn't do anything around the camp.

She doesn't get wood. And they're like, okay, well, what do we do? And Keith's like, I'm voting Baylor. It's like,

yo, that's her mom. Don't say that. Do you say my daughter's name to me? That's my kid. That's my kid. Keep my kid's name out of your effing mouth. All right.

So we go to tribal council and we see, there's a good moment where the farting and spitting comes up and Missy is like, I've never heard so much farting and spitting talk and oh, alright Missy, now come on we're not at the Hilton

yeah we're burping and farting and spitting is outlawed famously you walk through the doors at the Hilton, you go to your room Where we're burping and farting and spitting is outlawed. Famously, you walk through the doors at the Hilton. You go to your room. You're not allowed to burp or fart. Yeah.

Yeah. I love Keith out here trying to defend it. Come on. He's trying. And then also. Come on, Missy. Everybody does it. Yeah. Reed takes a moment to take the stage and tries to give his stump speech of why it should be

john yeah what'd you think of reed's speech i don't remember it he basically is like uh john jacklin are you really gonna go with the singles don't you just think they're gonna get rid of you yeah yeah trying doing stuff yeah you know i what i really like is when uh uh like jeff was like john jack would you guys are the power seat isn't that great and john's like yeah but it's also kind of scary it's a lot of pressure yeah jeremy's like you know push his bag like come You're like, you're not going to vote out John next. Come on. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Jeremy, Jeremy's Jeremy's in good, in good shape right now. He's got that idol. Doesn't seem like he was aware that he was in trouble before. I'll tell you one thing. Jeremy got that there mirror idol. That's right. Okay.

And then Josh goes home. Josh gets voted out. Uh, it was a close vote, but John and Jacqueline send them, send them back and send them to the house as they call it. Send them to the house as Keith Nail would say. All right. So let's talk a little bit about what it was like in real time. Yeah. Just while we're on the subject of, uh, perhaps on burping and farting, but certainly in an episode that features taco overload. I think that Josh's final word to the group is I'm going to eat a cheeseburger for all of you. OK. And then he leaves.

And I guess my question is, was that like I'm going to eat like one cheeseburger in honor of all of you? Or did he mean that he's going to eat one cheeseburger per person? Maybe a day. Yeah. Every day I'll have a burger and I'll assign it to a different one of you. Yeah. In tribute.

Okay. Even the pre-mergers. All right, let's talk about... How many burgers could you eat in a day? In a day? Yeah. Probably like... How big are the burgers?

Are they like the Survivor burger from this week? Are they like McDonald's, the Core Pounder? Let's do a couple of different permutations. So let's do a survivor big beefy burger like that. How many of those could you take down in a day? I don't know. Maybe like two or three. Yeah.

Okay. So like if it was like a breakfast, lunch, dinner. Am I trying to set a record or is it just like I'm eating what I'm hungry? Yeah. Always. So like you're being competitive right now. Yeah. So you take three.

Three of those. Probably two of those um i mean those were big those were like i feel like a pound burger yeah yeah those are bricks yeah i think i could eat five quarter pounders in a day yeah are you a white castle guy uh not typically but i i've how many how many how many sacks of white castle burgers how many are in a sack i think it's like a lot you'll be burping and farting uh if you go to white castle definitely and it will not be great yeah yeah but there used to be when i grew up i grew up in the town of east meadow before my parents moved to Wontaw and there was a white castle that was there. I'm sure it must not still be there.

Was that on 110? Not sure. Near the Walt Whitman Mall? No, no, no. I don't think so. There was a white castle there that we frequented. Yeah. And my friends would all get it.

I'd be like, what are you guys doing? It was very cheap. Like you could get like a bunch of stuff. Like I'll take the onion rings. That'll be 39 cents. You could load up. Bargain bin. Yeah.

A burger is like 40 cents. And like, this wasn't like 1952. It's tempting, but you know, it's very cheap. It was like the late 80s. At what cost? Yeah. All right. So let's talk about what happened on the podcast.

Stephen Fishback, he loved Josh Canfield. He was devastated that Josh got voted out. Big Josh guy. He was a big Josh guy. Future member of the Wine and Cheese. Yes, yes. So they had that together. Yeah, I mean, I was upset, i like it was the first survivor josh there's only been one other since then i think okay

um according to danielle rob is turned off by alec keith and west but it's still a big jeremy fan okay well that tracks i think that uh you know 10 years greater rob and 10 years ago rob i don't think um i don't know i don't think perspective on this one's gonna shift all that much i guess i was very hard on keith nail in this episode. I was not finding him funny in 2014. You were not finding him funny. No, did not find him funny. I do think that your journey, if I'm recalling this right, that your journey with Keith is not totally dissimilar to my journey with Wanda,

where I started out not being super into Wanda. And then through subsequent Wanda exposure of recurring jokes with Wanda, she became very near and dear to my heart. I think like the more Keith exposure we get as we go, I think the more you end up enjoying him. I think this is his worst episode. So far or the whole thing?

So far, of the whole thing. uh so far or the whole so far of the whole thing uh that just the uh the the constant like uh commenting to missy about baylor no that's not that's not great but uh all of the stuff at the taco overload stuff is really funny yeah it's very good all right who do you think Stephen gives the fishy to? Jeremy. No, he's really on one. John Misch. Stephen gives the fishy to casting for finding this many people who lack social awareness. How about that? I mean, thank God. At least like 10 years later, Stephen doesn't just give out these like arbitrary and reductive fishies.

Well, also worth keeping in mind at this moment in time that Fishback is probably already like in like a little bit of like the second chance mix. No, it's not even a glimmer in the eye of the show. Right. We're close. We're very close to it. Like I'm trying to think. I guess it's possible. They have to be thinking about it already.

But so so the fish man, I guess it's possible. They have to be thinking about it already. But, uh, so, so the fish man, I think like at, well, how about this?

Whether or not he's in the mix for second chance, fish back still wants to play one more time. Sure. Fish back no longer wants to play one more time. So he doesn't have to pull any punches, uh, you know, but like that's a punch pulled, I think is to give the fishy to casting.

Interesting. Okay. It's possible. it's possible it's possible it is november so pulled punch also would make sense of like why he'd be oh josh is so great because he's a lock to come back and i want to get that alliance yeah that sounds like something he would do that's like even that sounds like steven okay all right let's uh see what anything interesting from... Okay, how about this? Rob asked Steven if Josh is a Survivor All-Star. Steven says there is no All-Star season he has heard about in one to two years. It will be too late to cast a lot of the recent players. Steven's plea to casting is to give a full All-Star season

with the recent players uh rob says it seems like survivor is off the true all-star seasons uh steven wants some of the players to come back in true all-stars not themed says uh since heroes versus villains uh and hold on yeah says since heroes versus villains and then a random old person like suhawk steven says there's no uh three timers two timers only two timers only yeah so steven might have been might have been tapped in especially when he says uh that there is no all-star season he has heard about in the next one to two years come on yeah steven okay fish all right fishy so i talked to josh Come on, Steven. Okay. Fish. All right.

Fishy. So I talked to Josh. Yeah. I did as well. In my interview with him, he addresses one of the things we just talked about that. Like, yeah, it wasn't shown a lot, but he used to talk a lot of strategy with Jacqueline.

So he felt like decently good. But he felt that going into tribal he was 95 sure he was going home yes he said john's demeanor changed uh after xl says uh he wasn't secretive about talking to jeremy yeah and then i asked him uh like uh what did you say to wes and alec like what did you do yeah uh and he said that uh like these people are going to be on the jury. If you vote them out, you want them to vote for you. And, like, they tried to say that to Alec and Wes, but I guess, like, sense didn't go through.

Oh. On the recap, Aris joined us. You guys randomly cast Charlie and the Chocolate Factory with the San Juan del Sur cast. Are you interested to know who's who? Yeah. Wait, did that happen? Shut up. I'm just reading this in the notes.

Shut up. No way. No way. No. Come on. You know, it's very sad when I feel like, oh, I've grown so much in 10 years, and I'm like, no, and I still have exactly the same. Oh, man. Okay. How many of the same jokes have we made already?

I mean, God only knows what we did in the evolution strategy. This might just, we've already had this exact conversation. It's totally possible. Yeah. Please let us know how many times that Josh and I are having a new conversation now and it's a conversation we already had. I think we're having a few. I do think we're having a few for sure.

And how many times are we arguing opposite points than we were 10 years ago? That I would be very interested in. What if I go completely 1000% reversed course? Thank you Josh Green for detailing What am I, what if I go like completely 1000% reversed course? All right.

This is okay. This is thank you, Josh Green for, uh, detailing who RS and I cast for Charlie and chocolate factory. Just to be clear. Is it only the San Juan del Sur cast members? Okay. Uh, Charlie bucket is not Wes. Uh, it is Josh.

That makes sense. Uh, can I just get the one that I got to be able to just like, out of the sky? Baylor is Veruca. That is correct. Mike TV is Reed. I don't really see that. I mean, they're both actors.

Augustus Gloop is Wes. Okay. Yeah. Violet is one of the 20s. Okay. And Grandpa Joe is Keith That we had That we had

Yeah Okay Okay But then So Aris was on He came to my house For the recap And the voicemails

Was he hawking those hats? The tundra hats? I don't know if he was doing that yet Where were we at with tundra hats? I think we were already past that Yeah Do you think you could still buy one? From Aris?

I don't think so. Do you think he still has any? He might. I mean, we'll see. I feel like we could take those off his hands pretty cleanly and put them up in the RHAP store and turn a profit. Like these are the last of the fabled Tundra hats. Apparently we talked about Aris farting in exile Island and then

linked to a video of Aris farting. Like on the show. Yeah. So here's the link. I guess we talked about this with Aris on the episode uh did did aris fart okay yeah yeah okay that was amazing that's why i don't like you come on come back here no it's toxic it's toxic. If you didn't watch the YouTube version of this podcast, so you missed the video of Aris farting, the best part,

and this could just be like the brilliance of the editing, but he does the fart convulsion, right? Like you move a little bit, and then the fart comes out. That's great. Brilliant comic timing. Unbelievable. right like like you move a little bit and then the fart comes out that's great brilliant comic time yeah unbelievable um also danielle highlights artist and rob highlighted the vegetarian option when jeff went through the talk options he's like we've got beef yeah chicken vegetarian

i'm uh unfortunately for kyle that option was not at the Survivor auction. No. Buffalo cauliflower would have been a nice thing to do for Kyle. Mm-hmm. Instead, he was stuck just taking shots of blue cheese. Yes. Aris also said that he would call the Wambulance for Baylor. Yeah, that tracks. She would be in the back seat. Who's driving?

I don't know. Backseat? Who's driving? I don't know. Also, this is the video where Vetus, you should totally come to yoga, comes from. Uh-huh. Yeah, right. And that was like, what did he do that for? Was it for his yoga video? Like he was trying to like hype up his yoga classes?

Mm-hmm. Vetus? I'm not sure. We don't remember the context of Vetus. Let me see if Danielle has that. You should totally come to yoga. Fetus, you should totally come to yoga. Fetus, you should totally come to yoga. Fetus had a yoga video on Vimeo where it made Rob emotional but

Aris used it away to make a sticky situation pun after Vetus brought up heroin I love that it didn't make Aris emotional that he was fine but Rob you were emotional yeah alright there we go

I think that's everything that's it one other thing from Survivor 47 about the auction. Do you have any thoughts on that, Josh? Oh, I loved it. I thought the auction was very fun. I think... You like the new era auctions.

Yeah, I really like the new era auction. I guess I am a little concerned after there was a clue stuffed in the French fries that is that going to re-break the auction in some capacity gonna do like oh i'm gonna bid on that it looks like exactly like i don't think so i think like now jeff could just say there might be something in here but everything you're bidding on is either food or fish eyeballs yeah next thing they gotta do is put the idol clue in the fish eyeball yes yes yes yes yes like yes it should say like on the plate like don't react but yes the idol clue is in the center of the fish eyeball yes yes this is a hidden immunity fish eyeball yeah did you see Saul ended up uh really cleaning up at the auction saul ended up

getting this that's how you eat a pie on survival right there did you wish that saul asked everybody if they were stoked on some pie you guys stoked on pie saul was stoked on pie for sure he was stoked beyond belief yeah uh saul saul made out like a bandit yeah did you like saw the whipped cream and let him uh whipped cream his own i appreciated that they did that rather than have it be pre-creamed because like you should be able to gauge how much of this is going to agree or disagree with your system out here uh also the act of even if you don't like whipped cream everybody loves the act of spraying that's half the fun yep like whipped cream is fine it's fine but that yes that part should saul have done his tag on the pie instead of 47? Like, what should he have done? SSA.

Wow. Wow. Yeah. Would you, like, tag RHAP on the pie? Hashtag. Yeah. What is that? Is that tic-tac-toe? What is that? That would require, I do think, like, now we're talking, like,

like, four letters there. Like, that requires, like, some depth still. Yeah. Big pie. Like, you need a bigger pie. You're talking like, uh, like four letters there. Like that requires like some depth. Yeah. Big pie. You need a bigger pie, like a crumb cake or something. That's a little like a more rectangular. You like a crumb cake?

I've had some good ones. I don't know. A crumb cake with whipped cream. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. Why not? Yeah.

Whipped cream goes with most things. All right. Bodies. Um, yeah. All right. Anything else, Josh? No. By the way, Josh wiggler and i talked about the movie she's all that the other day oh we certainly did we rachel lee cooked with chappelle on nothing but

netflix uh trying to get to the bottom of the very important question speaking of rachel lee cooked uh did you uh catch this from this week? Here's Genevieve. Rachel's my ultimate preference to go home, but there are many different cooks in the kitchen. Too many cooks. Too many cooks. Too many Rachel Lee Cooks. podcasts in which you, me, and Chappelle try to map the plot of She's All That onto the ongoing

saga known as Survivor 47. It was a very fun podcast that we strongly recommend you all listen to. Idea for a new sequel. It's called Missy's All That. Missy's All That. Do you want to rewatch She's All That and see if it maps onto Missy's story?

When she goes back on Second Chance. A makeover. Yeah. Yeah. If they second chance all that do you want to rewatch she's all that and see if it maps on to missy's story when she goes back on second chance a makeover yeah yeah if they second if they second chance to missy miss she's all that we're doing it miss miss she's all that yeah like she's got like uh she's like has the sash and she's miss she. He was also in Nicaragua. There you go. All right. Josh, what's coming up for you? Lots going on here on RHAP,

specifically in the We Know Scripted TV sector. The Penguin on HBO just wrapped up with a pretty crazy finale. I saw people saying that Penguin is the best season of television ever. I think that that's a pretty wild thing to say. I saw that headline today. Could you tell me who wrote it so that I may have words? It was good.

The people who loved it really did love it. And that includes Mike and Grace, who had really great coverage of Penguin all season long in our We Know Comics feed. The HBO Sunday Night Party, though, it continues as we're going to be getting into Dune Prophecy, a prequel to the Dune movies.

Did you Dune? No, I've never Duned. You haven't Duned? I haven't Duned movies. I haven't Duned. I would love for you to Dune. I've never Duned. You haven't Duned? I haven't Duned movies. I haven't Duned. I would love for you to Dune. Where should I start? I don't even know.

Do I have to watch the 1984 Dune? You certainly do not have to. David Lynch would, in fact, prefer you not to watch. What Dune do I do? You Dune part one and Dune part two, both on Max, I believe. Yeah. And that's all you need to Dune. Dune Prophecy, you don't even need to have done that to watch Dune Prophecy, is my understanding.

It is a prequel set a thousand or so years before Dune. Is Dune in the future or the past? Is it Earth? No, it's not earth i do think it's the same uh it is like in our universe i think and i think it's like radically in the future but i'm not a hundred percent sure on that i'm not a massive dune expert i've read the book the first book i've read some of the second book i have a pin in it i haven't finished it do i seem like a duney no but i would love for you to try it um i'd love for you to try it but you don't seem like a duney No, but I would love for you to try it.

I'd love for you to try it, but you don't seem like a Dooney to me at all. No, not at all. Annie, you Dooney! Anyway, we're going to have Dune Prophecy coverage on We Know Scripted. Taryn, Grace, myself, we're going to be talking about it. Early scouting report says it's very Game of Thrones adjacent. Okay.

So if you're a Thronesian, you might want to become a Doonie. Okay. All right. In the meantime, I'll be back on Wednesday night to talk about episode nine of Survivor 47 with Kelly Nalbandian, one of Josh's favorites. I love Kelly. I think she's great.

She did the auction in Survivor 45. What the hell, guys? Also a victim of the margarita curse. Mm-hmm. Yep, indeed. Yep.

Indeed. Okay, so I will talk with her after the episode coming up on 9.45 p.m. Eastern on Wednesday. Hope to see you there. Make sure you're subscribed

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