RHAP: We Know Survivor - Survivor San Juan Del Sur Eps 11+12 | 10 Year Anniversary

Episode Date: December 3, 2024

Josh Wigler invites special guest Brandon Donlon on to dissect episodes eleven and twelve of Survivor: San Juan del Sur, marking its 10-year anniversary.

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Excuse me? Did you just call her a brat? She's being a brat. That's right. It's Survivor San Juan del Sur. Ten years later, it is brat. I'm Josh Wiggler, not brat. But I am joined here by a man who I'm very excited to talk to. First time podcasting with this guy.

Rob Sestranino, not here, but don't worry. We've got another white guy with brown hair and glasses to step in to the booth. The great Brandon Donlan. Brandon, welcome to Nicaragua. Oh my God, I've never been. This is fantastic. This is your first time? This is my first time here. When Rob couldn't make it,

he had to contact any new era player who knew what happened this episode. Yeah. Um, Omer was not available and now your boy's here. So I'm excited to lock and load with, with these people that I miss so much. Like Alec, like Alec.

Yeah. We really brought you in for a doozy of an episode. The, the double whammy that is... They're both technically episode 11 and 12, even though it aired as a back-to-back two-hour block, Brandon. It's two episodes titled Kind of Like Cream Cheese and Still Holding On. Kind of Like Cream Cheese.

Is this one of the best or worst names for an episode of Survivor? I'd be interested. Survivor fact checker, if you're listening, and I know you are, I know you're here. How many episode titles have a food in them? How many episode titles have cream cheese in them? I guess just the one. Probably just this one.

Probably. I'm trying to think. I guess it depends on what you define as food. Sure. There is earlier this season getting to crunch time. So that's like a crunch bar. Sure. My favorite candy, famously. I love a bunch of crunch, and that's his cousin.

Bunch of crunch, yeah. Bunch of Crunch is the little brother. The very next season, Survivor Worlds Apart, which we were talking about a little bit pre-pod, has at least two that I'm seeing right away. Winner, winner, chicken, damn, dinner. Sure. And Bring the Popcorn.

Bring the Popcorn, I feel like, there's been a couple episode titles that have been used more than once. I think Bring the Popcorn has happened again. I feel like there's been a couple episode titles that have been used more than once. I think bring the popcorn has happened again. What's happened? I couldn't, I couldn't be sure, but there's been, I know there's been a couple bring the popcorn is also easily replicable.

Yeah. Straight up. Bring the popcorn appears to be just this episode, but survivor episode popcorn. Let's see if there's others that show up. I can't, I can't find it. Maybe again in the future when Jeff probes brings a popcorn machine to

tribal council and we're, we're, you know, did double digit season, single digit episodes away from that happening. That's happening soon. Oh, so any food named episodes episodes any food-borne

illnesses on survivor kagian uh in some cultures sure head of the snake some people might eat that not me i like a i like a i guess gummy worm is fundamentally different in every way but i like they're they're snake-like they're snake-like uh the uh straw that broke the camels back also in a certain world maybe i'm just looking now at animals and counting that as it so i don't i don't think that that's actually it but kind of like cream cheese is kind of like a food title kind of like how excited i am to finally podcast together brandon donlin how have you been how How are you doing? We talk a lot because you're doing a lot behind the scenes here at RHAP.

Sure. I mean, I'm having, I'm living the dream. You know, I love to talk about my favorite show. This one. I never get to rewatch. This isn't your favorite show. That's very kind of you, but I know what your actual favorite show is. Oh, well, it's my, you know,

it's my favorite show that I could legally participate in. Favorite show that you've been on. Favorite show that you've been on. Favorite show that I've been on, certainly. Not my favorite show where I'm watching celebrities dance, which is my favorite show. But I seldom get to just sit down and watch Survivor. I have like, sometimes when I work, there's like a, you know, on Paramount Plus, there's a 24-7 Survivor channel you can put on.

Yes, right, yeah. It's just looping old seasons. I have that on a lot in the background for like noise but just today was the first time that i've sat down and just watched an older episode of survivor i think since i participated in such a program i've never just sat down and i mean like i watched my own i watched 46 i watched 47 but like i haven't just gone back and revisited you know a relic of the past, which is what this was. And not because you were traumatized. Didn't Jeff Probst sing about you this past week?

What do you do when you're on Survivor with glasses? Oh, he did do that. You know what? To be honest, that's going to be some of the Survivor lost media for me. I didn't watch that. I only got about 15 seconds in. I'm like, this is interesting.

It's just, it's viral marketing for next week's wand off don't forget folks to submit your wand offs rob has a website.com slash wand off it was just jeff doing us a solid and putting one of those out when i interviewed with him my my first ever interview september of 2021 i have a i have a list of questions and i'm like jeff i don't know if we're gonna get the chance to do this again can i just ask you stuff i've always wanted to know and he was like i guess so sure yeah one of the questions was can you sing i've always wanted to know if jeff could sing and jeff was like i cannot sing he's like i've tried to sing i can't sing and that video granted i only watched 15 seconds he could sing he's not bad brooks got pipes i wouldn't say that's bad i I think that's a passable.

You're not going to win American Idol. You'll go to Hollywood, though. I think you'll go to Hollywood. You won't make it to the live rounds. I think you'll go to Hollywood specifically because it's like, Jeff? He's like, yeah, I mean, I'm just trying to shake it up. It would be weird if he walked into the audition room. If they let him get that far,'s going to hollywood you would think

you have to you worry about what happens if you don't let him but he can sing i didn't watch i get weird with like people who write their own songs it is like if there's high upside but there's low low low downside that like makes me itch like i don't like yeah um so you just not listen to music then i like a lot of that is people writing their own stuff you know i listen to music that i've been vetted by i'll never go listen to a new song oh you won't do that yourself i need somebody to tell me it's good i need to i need to you know if i and tiktok has been great for that because i'll scroll and then i'll hear a song and i'll see that it's gotten a lot of positive feedback so i'm like oh this must be good you know but like a and not to disrespect

all the singer songwriters out there you're doing great work yeah um i just i won't hear it yet first if you send it to me i'll i'll listen to it no you don't don't put that out there because now you're going to be getting all these skeets with people sending you their songs and you're just going to have to respond with like a neutral face uh you know like that's the one that's the one if you're watching it here on the youth for this i was listening in an auditory medium i didn't he did it i'm making a blue sky he did it uh brandon donlin longtime survivor fan uh longtime rhap listener uh were you listening to rhap during san juan del sur do you remember oh hondo p i mean i was i've been listening since

the first episode okay so you've been listening since the first episode. Okay, so you've been here from the jump. I didn't know what a podcast was until Johnny Fairplay showed up on that first episode of this podcast. Yeah. And then I've been in from the jump. I've been in since then.

So do you then carry the same nostalgia for this season that certainly I'm carrying? A lot of the people who've been keeping the San Juan del Sur podcast online have been harboring because one of the things that we've observed as every single week has gone down, there's just something incredibly quotable

and iconic to bring into the podcast that has already previously probably been brought into the podcast. This being the season where the sound board wasn't born but really started to to learn how to fly absolutely i mean it's funny like when you go and rank survivor seasons like when i i have a google doc that i've just i put in after i watch season i put it in there and someone else there's always been top 10 since it's been on wow really i haven't revisited i haven't ever i haven't watched an episode since i don't think 2014 i i would go back and watch like seasons one through ten i'd go revisit but

like i i in my like adult life like post-college i'd say i haven't gone back and watched anything that i've seen whilst in college i was a freshman i was a senior in high school when this season was on sure i haven't seen anything more than once. But then you watch the episodes that I watched, all two of them. And you realize, oh, this is like really fun. Like it's fun to root against. It's very quotable. People are fighting. I know people get on the new era that it's like a love fest.

And like, I don't stand by that. I think it's funny. I really like the intricate gameplay that goes on. But I do understand why this appeals to folks and i get like i love this i want i want more of just the reed yelling at missy and missy yelling back like i think that's a lot i think jacqueline and john bickering like a any dating couple would and then alec flirt like a weird challenge situation happening spends a lot of this episode yeah trying to get into that challenger's spot. He wants to be one of the rap boys on the rotation.

Sure. I think that's like, I mean, that's fun. It's really fun. I was enthralled in the time that I was watching. So I'm excited to talk through it, talk about it. Do you need any kind of recap of what's happened on San Juan del Sur thus far? Do you think you pretty much got it? I think I got it i think i got

it i was i was confused for those for those listening um i was confused at the intricacies of the prior tribal council so when we get when we get to this episode we're seeing the fallout from west being voted off yeah last last week's was stick to the plan uh and he blows it up yeah he blows it up but then since then i've been been on board and I've just been watching like, you know, it's like old Survivor. This is this is this the days of your this is, you know, I'm on my basement couch watching this. Does it feel bad at all that this is days of your. That this is like that this is now like this is like part of like the classic record. Do we consider saying Wanda sort part of the classic record?

I think I do. I think I do as well. I think anything post, I mean, pre. Did you see what I skied in earlier a couple days ago, Brandon? What did you ski?

I segmented Survivor out into eras. I think I figured out the eras of Survivor for me. Are you ready? Please. This is what I think. Survivor 1 through 10

is preschool. Survivor 11 through 20, we're in elementary school. We're now about to graduate to go to high school. Survivors 30s, that's high school. Sometimes a little shitty and kind of hard. Yeah, you get low points in high school. You get low points. Sometimes it's kind of difficult.

You're in the college years right now. The 40s are the college years. And then who knows what is in store for us in 50 and beyond. But you're in the college years where like, Probst is technically there, but like, daddy's gone. The rules are out the window. Here's a shot in the dark.

All of these, you know, massive twists that we wouldn't have gotten away with before you were sent off on your own. Those are the eras of Survivor for me, which means San Juan del Sur, firmly middle school. End of middle school, kissing high school. Yes. Yeah, yeah.

You can see graduation. Graduation's right there. It's there. A couple months, you get in trouble, you're not going to the graduation dance. You know what I mean? They're holding that over your head. You don't get to walk at graduation.

You don't get to walk. But it is like, this is like watching to me, I just saw, I think a TikTok or a skeet about is like watching to me i just saw i think a tiktok or or a skeet about like watching movies now from the 90s it's like oh movies were just better in the 90s and there are great movies from the 90s but i don't know everything now is like a remake or whatever like in movies i don't think survivors doing that but i watched this with the same reverence that i'd watch a shawshank or a forrest gump is like this was really good but you know back then and it makes you feel like it's back then also um as opposed to seeing like whatever

they're rebooting cinderella or i don't know what they're doing now but they're probably probably i'm not in it are you in it did you get a call i wouldn't tell you if i was everybody in the survival world right now is is figuring out who got called for the cinderella or cinderella that's that's the that's the gossip behind the scenes. All right, we've got an episode. It was two hours. It was two episodes back to back. It was 10 years ago.

10 years ago. The two hour back to back. This would be only a slightly longer episode of Survivor these days. And we are going to open up on the other side of the stick to the plan. And Reed is like, oh no, I've been blown up. They know that the girls are about to get angry.

Reed says nothing worse than a bunch of angry girls. And meanwhile, John and Jacqueline previewing what will come up later in the episode. This is sort of like the starting line of a little bit of the lover's quarrel that we're going to get into with Jon and Jaclyn. What you may not remember from the previous Tribal is when Keith says, stick to the plan, and everyone's kind of a little

frazzled of what's going on. Natalie's the one that tells Jon, play your idol. And then he does, and I guess Jaclyn's like, wow, good read, Nat. And Jon says, no, you can't do that. Don't give credit. and then he does and I guess Jacqueline's like wow good read Nat and John says no you can't do that don't give credit that's mine and Jacqueline's like well what if it's

me in the final three which it will be at some point but a little bit it's just like oh beginning stages beginning stages is some trouble in paradise what's interesting about that that argument that I found was like this is just any argument with it like between a couple like obviously the situation is different but like

you everybody has been there everybody's lived that or seen it happen you know and it's just interesting to see now through the course of this next two hours they're going to argue many more times really a lot more times when i think back on the samuandos or season i'm like oh like in john and jacklin were arguing but i didn't realize that i was going to be watching times when i think back on the samuelser season i'm like oh like in john and jacqueline were arguing but i didn't realize that i was gonna be watching this is i think the thick of it i think it's less you know um from this but i can't believe that survivor never did this again with like this is fun tv for me i enjoyed this immensely i think it adds a layer of personal conflict to a show and a format that i love so much more than i think a father and son or mother daughter or like you know you get dating especially a dating couple they're still

figuring each other out they're young it's fun i like i liked it do we are you are you advocating for like uh like a survivor love is blind sort of situation like some sort of like uh uh like so it's like blood versus water but specific specifically romance is what you're after i think i want if we were gonna do blood versus water again i again and i i love that we've got beautiful father and son mother daughter cousin relationships out of love versus water but like i think we we cap it to people in relation you know i think it's more fun with the relation and i think that like john and jacklyn gives a different insight as somebody like jeremy and val if jeremy and val are at this stage i don't think they're handling this same issue issue in quotes with as the same

way as and i think that's interesting um so i think yeah if you're ever going to do it again i think you get a couple you get a couple dating couples you have to vet them like i don't want anybody who's like mean but like you know you know, you want to, you want to, you know, you want to stress, you want to stress them a little bit. Right. I think this is super fun. The, if this had happened in the 30s, you know, this is called like Survivor Head vs. Heart or something. Head vs. Heart. Just unbelievable like that.

Yeah. I think there's a Head vs. Heart something. We're never doing blood versus water again though right because now we're just in the numericals no more themes ever no more themes ever i don't know if i i would bet we're not always numbers i bet maybe we're numbers but we're not 50 i think 50 resets i think fit i think we're all you're gonna see survivor 51 no doubt ski you're gonna see okay one but is there a is there a subtitle i think so i think 50 will have a subtitle and then we will go into subtitles i think that's driver 51 the new new

era the new new era and even if there's something like like that like like like out for blood or like you it doesn't need to meet like these didn't meet blood versus water is nothing it doesn't mean anything you know but i think that we're going to see more of more branding, right? We're doing some workshopping right now. Branding Donlin is what we're on. It's what my PR company is called. If you're interested at the moment, I'm very interested. I would love to get my cell number.

I think that I would like more of that for sure. And then you can, like, if you have a brand, if you, if you brand yourself, you know, I'm not, I'm not i'm not saying anything that you're not going to learn in marketing 101 but like go silent you can ghost theme it right like let's like if you have a fun name you can you can do more stuff you got a blood theme we got a phlebotomist to tribal council you've got that well we've tried that with leaf uh i don't know if we're if we're gonna do it again I would bring Leaf back. Why not? We get a lot of blood here in this reward challenge,

which I always remember fondly and then realize why I don't remember it that fondly ultimately. Is this the final appearance of the coconut chop? I think maybe the end of the coconut chop here. I would bet Hundo P. I think if it did happen again it was in worlds apart but i don't think that's i think this ended this kind of challenge which in my head mandela effect this was a touchy subjects but it was this is trivia about where was this for you your boy

would have loved this was essentially it's essentially fallen comrades with the coconut chop uh where it's like uh how well do you know the previous people in the game like who else other than natalie has a twin everyone gets this right it's jeremy except for keith who writes jacks and everyone's with an x yeah it's like who's jacks like why that's the main character from sons of anarchy my favorite show other than this one uh and he doesn't get that right uh and it's like who owns a main character from Sons of Anarchy my favorite show other than this one and he doesn't get that right and it's like who owns a tanning salon it's Julie and I feel like we don't get more

questions than that because this is going to be a challenge that ends prematurely it is for reward the reward is an overnight with a horseback ride brownies brownies and barbecue i did write down in my notes that i really liked seeing jeff like read this as if it's on a

teleprompter when it's an objectively like really really good reward versus now really having to like ham up and sell the reward that's like it's fine like i think that like his delivery here is like you're gonna go overnight you're gonna have a brownie you're gonna have a couple brownie you know if there's no change in the face but now it's like you're having fucking celery yeah and he's like yes you know yeah i like that a lot the celeriac puree you know like he's like gonna go nuts yeah like this this is maybe something I haven't had a chance to really talk about, but like Jeff back during this era and watching, watching this season specifically it feels like he's not online yet.

Like he feels like he feels so quiet. He feels so soft in relation to the Jeff of today, who I think he just did an interview with Dalton not terribly long ago, Dalton Ross, and said, like, I'm just having more fun now. Like, I like to be like a little mischievous Jeff. I like to twiddle my mustache at tribal council now. Is that really doing a ton of that?

I feel like this is like jeff probst film actor versus who he becomes which is like jeff probst stage performer like you have to play broad big broad emotions like you're trying to hit the back of the house no subtlety subtlety is here for jeff probst now it's not really here in the 40s anymore. No. And I'm a hot take. This is a hot take. I like it much more now.

I think it's fun. I like it. He's a fun guy. This is where I always feel weird. I feel sort of like false when I'm like, I think it's really fun right now. I think it's really fun right now. I think it's really fun right now. Like, I think it's really fun right now. I think like it blends together. You know, it blends.

How many times have I asked you which season you were on again? Like, I need to like, I need to check. Which one was it? I was 44. You were 44. Got it, got it, got it, got it, got it. But I, yeah, I mean, it's like. It blends together, but he like, he is like this insane person that's binding it together.

And he is like fully in his ringmaster era. And it's fun. But I but I also do think subtly angry probes, as we will we will see here. We've seen a few times here throughout San Juan del Sur is going to continue. But I remember this challenge fondly because it's coconut chop and the thing is going to drop on a skull that's filled with blood like oozing with blood is this the first time they had done it like this or had they done this for the previous blood versus water i do not recall i think this is the first time with i could be wrong everything i say i'm i'm probably wrong but i think don't trust't trust us. Don't trust me.

Brandon Donlan, you can trust that. That's all science. But this, you can't trust. Don't trust Brandon, not Brandon. I think this is the first sign of blood. And I hate blood. I don't like looking at blood. I like that I have it.

I don't want to lose my own. I love having blood. I'm so happy that I've got that. I'm fucked if i don't have blood yeah um but i don't i don't like looking at it this i guess i know i know that guy's dead so i don't i don't have to i mean it's not a real guy those weren't real skulls i don't want to put that out there but well i don't like i don't know i don't know maybe they like got like actual skulls and just like pumped them pumped them full of pumped them full of the juice. But it's very visceral.

The coconuts fall on the heads and they get squashed. It's just a terrific combination of everything you love from Keir Hoffer's crazy machinations to

Zach Jensen and the art department and everything there that looks so good, blood oozing out of the skull, and these people end up just starting to throw the challenge because they're like, going to do the classic thing. Coconut Chop is a great classic challenge. This is the reason

why strategy exists in some way, shape, or form I would say with Marquesas. This turns that game. This is a big challenge that features in the wait-for-it evolution of strategy on Survivor. But it also, I guess, like, how many times can you do this

where it's going to have any outcome that's sort of different from, like, I'm just going to pick my friends? Yeah, I mean, if you have, like, we're looking at, if you have an alliance of five people and then a minority of three once the three people out who really i mean i guess jacklyn cares in this instance or maybe didn't have the foresight to care at that point because you know she maybe

didn't expect to not go on set reward but you have like an alliance of five at that point it doesn't really matter not really you know you just like who who cares which i understand that i'd still like your own survivor. I like and I'm not saying this to chastise the people who did this. Like, I want to I want to keep chopping. I want to keep answering questions. It's fine. I understand.

I understand the thinking here. And I remember Jeff being much more mad in my head. Jeff was so mad at this. And then here he was like, let's just like it almost like he felt like he was he he was mad, but he got it. As opposed to I thought he was maybe not irrationally mad, but I thought he was more expressively mad. So my my feeling is at this point, Jeff is like resigned and used to it, that this season has been a train wreck for him up to this point. He's had like he had like he had like the Drew Christie negotiations earlier in the season. They lose the Flint. They get a the season. They lose the Flint.

They get a new one. They find the old Flint. They want to trade it in. Then this tribe's eating all the rice, and he tells them, I've never had to help anyone the way I've had to help you. A player quits. Now they're just throwing the challenge, basically. He's just tired.

I think Jeff is tired. I don't think production loves this season while it's happening, because I think that for like the strategy heads and like the game heads, both in the fandom, then I think making the show aren't getting what they want here, even though like theoretically what they're doing here, it's, you know, we lose we lose Alec Reed and Keith right away. And then it's the rest of them just deciding what order they want to go in, who wants to go on the

reward and who wants to go to exile. And Jeff stops it. Like, it's not bad strategy, like strategically, like this alliance, other than the fact that like Natalie is looking to blow it up from the inside. It's like a, it's, it it's good strategy but maybe they think it's bad tv even though i think it actually is terrific tv uh it's fantastic television oh and i mean i think any people think that quitting is bad like i don't i i i wouldn't but i i think it's fantastic anything that is different different format that has been on for 25 years, I'm into it. Make it up.

I tweeted it years before I was ever on Survivor, which is like quitting Survivor is interesting. I watch Survivor for human stories and personal relationships. Leaving the thing that you work so hard to get to is fundamentally interesting and more interesting to me than a 7-1 vote against somebody that, like, there was no real strategy before. Like, I think let's just do different shit.

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Up until now, Reed has been biting his tongue, Brandon. He's been holding back. No more. He will hold back no longer. Reed has played nice long enough. Last week, he gives up his spot on the reward to give it to Missy to further entrench himself in that alliance so that he can take them out from the inside.

It didn't work. He got caught. And now he has no buffs left to give. And here he is getting into a fight with Baylor. Because I'm a people person, Baylor. You're a brat. Excuse me? Did you just call her a brat?

She's being a brat. She's being brat, Brandon. I mean, she's not being brat. This is a question that Rob and I had last week. Is Baylor brat? And I think we were quick to say, I don't think so. Baylor's not, Baylor's not. Baylor would hate everything that a brat has to say.

Like if you told Baylor right now, yeah, Baylor's not brat. Baylor has a song I think called Jesus Happened, which is not super brat. Is that true? I don't think that got the same play as Sticky Situation. No, no, it didn't. I know Sticky Situation's great. Jesus Happened, I think is a, maybe a great song.

I haven't listened. Again, nobody sent it to me. I don't know. What does it go? Do we have lyrics available for Jesus Happened I think is maybe a great song. I haven't listened. Again, nobody sent it to me. What does it go? Do we have lyrics available for Jesus Happened? I'm sure there's lyrics. You're my sweet sensation. Jesus H. Christ happened. Interesting. He's kind of just doing

the same thing. It doesn't stop there though. The fight continues. Here's more from this fight. That's my kid. Girl, I know it's your kid. Girl, she's a mom. She's a mom. I wrote that down. It's so

funny. She's not a girl. She's a mom. Yeah, she is. She sure is. How do you feel about Missy?'ve been out here every week uh with a with a big take about missy but i don't want to influence i just want to know what your what your feelings are on missy i think missy's missy's i think fun i think fun tv yeah i don't know if missy is as fun without baylor but i like them together. I think that they add something.

If they were to be on a second chance ballot, they'd have to come as a pair. You can't just vote Missy. You have to vote Missy and Baylor. The UK reality shows, Big Brother UK, a couple of the other ones, they do this. They send in a duo.

You play as one. Yeah, Big Brother Canada did it once. They are one and you play as one yeah big brother canada did it once um they have one vote they have one vote like you can only vote for them as a combined thing you can't get it like if you if you hate missy you can't just vote her out if you love baylor you have to vote them both you are one if the winner of survivor 58 baylor missy you're voting for one you're voting for one thing. I don't think we win. But I think that that's a, if I had to pick a return thing for them,

they got to come together. What's your- I've been saying that they screwed up and they should have put Missy on the second chance ballot. I want Missy for second chance. She's great TV. She's great TV. Again, I don't want to pivot off of Missy, who's great. I wrote down in my notes,

it is crazy that there's been no more Reed. There's no return of Reed. No Reed. You watch this and Reed, there are people like Josh, who is lovely, in the same season, who has such a, you can tell in the pre-merge, has such an aptitude for the game.

He gets sniped early because he has such an aptitude for the game. And then he is like, not lost to the history of survivor josh could easily come back but reed given three four more episodes than josh did reed gets to do stuff like like reed is not only has that same aptitude but he's he's he's really fun yeah um and more of like i can't believe you've had second chance granted there were three people from this season on that ballot so i understand reed maybe missed it you have game through reed on game changers yeah yeah you didn't need beast mode cowboy on that no no no you didn't need the other other fucking guy no no no it would have been it

would have been all right i would have i would i would have been i would have been thrilled to get reed back uh i feel like um specifically uh the the hunapu tribe has yielded some terrific survivor players in, of course, Natalie will win this season. Keith, long may he reign, an icon in second chance. Certainly, Jeremy's going to win it. Wentworth goes real deep. I think that Missy, as one of the other Hunapus who hasn't gotten another shot sure could go deep is this the right is this the right avenue for missy would we rather put her on something else like or we want her on survivor is missy a traitor i think the window has passed and even i must

admit this i think uh too much time has passed uh there's there's there's no chance but i liked your idea i think a missy baylor as a single person would have been interesting. So this argument happens, then Probst gets mad and he forces the challenge to stop and they just all decide like, okay, well, why don't we just stop it now? Who wins? Who's going to win? Who do you want to win? They say Missy.

Okay, Missy, and then who do you want to bring? Baylor, obviously, like like she's gonna bring my kid on my reward uh and then she's also gonna bring natalie uh but this is after they've sent john to exile he's already like he's packed he's ready to go it's very quick uh and then once he's gone she picks uh she picks baylor she picks nat and the guys immediately like well that's just uncool to jacklyn i can't believe you would leave jacklyn out like that and jacklyn's kind of like yeah i can't believe you'd leave me out of it uh and we've got like a little bit of a a sticky situation here brandon it's like i stepped in gum yeah honey my hair i do think any barbecue in your hair hbb um i think that this is not

um a bad like in hype in a hypothetical situation this could have worked for jacklyn you know if you get if you get john to swap which like obviously you know retrospective would have been fun yeah but it's not a bad ploy you know i don't it is a hard thing to jump like they had to leave somebody like that's that's why it's designed like is he got to bring you got to bring two people you know i don't it is a hard thing to just like they had to leave somebody like that's that's why it's designed like is you gotta bring you gotta bring two people you know the numbers they work out the numbers yeah um but it could have worked for the for the boys i was actually kind of surprised re-watching this episode i'd forgotten just like just how close it almost was uh just how close it almost was to uh to working for for those guys and it's Not like super close.

We got as far as a wink. I think that's about it. But closer than I thought. It was close. And you know, John didn't want to go for it. He didn't want to go for it. They're legitimate points. So John Misch, he goes to Exile Island.

He's going to have a very exhausted time on Exile Island, but he's going to find another idol. So good for John. Just when he needs it, he feels like he's going to have a very exhausted time on Exile Island but he's going to find another idol so good for Jon just when he needs it he feels like he's the biggest threat out here so he's got to protect himself so he's got another idol in his pocket meanwhile at this horseback reward

the girls are kind of trash talking Jacqueline a little bit it's like oh her little feelings we got to worry about those we got to worry about her feelings she's a little bit of a's like oh her little feelings we gotta worry about those uh we gotta worry about her feelings she's a little bit of a princess these guys might be able to sway her we'll have to watch out for it but good news we also have an idol and so natalie and baylor are gonna tell missy we've got an idol missy's really proud of baylor specifically. She's playing the game and I'm going to pat her on the butt the whole

way through it, is what she says. Yeah. I don't dig that, right? I think keep your hands to yourself definitely. Keep it to yourself. Yeah. Hands off the table, hands off the butt. I think like You've always said that. That's what I used to tell people.

Like, watch the merchandise folks. Back at tribal, back at camp, rather, Reed and the guys, they're like really laying it on thick. As in like a thick globule of rice in a coconut shell. This is like a huge serving. Jacqueline said, I can't eat this. I literally can't eat it. Yeah, you can. said i can't eat this i literally can't eat it

she said you can i literally can't eat that it's way too much was it like was it like morally i can't or like physically i cannot eat that much rice a great question you'd hope you'd hope morally because fit like it's a you know you're hungry and survivor you're hungry but has your stomach shrunk so much that like that i would be worried that looked like uh for those who did watch the episode it really looked like a big pile of glue yeah with like uncooked rice in it costco sells like personal instant rices that are like yay big and then you kind of plop them um it looked like that it was about that size which i know that's i think 380 calories um so you're getting you're getting a big granted i didn't do the measurement but you figure it's similar yeah so it's a good it's a good calorie boost and they're hoping that that's going to be enough to

kind of uh sway jack and her she says she knows that they're all just being nice um but my ears are open i'm i'm listening i'm listening um listening A great personal favorite moment of mine From this episode is The next morning The women come back from the ranch That they slept over at And Keith gets one look at them They're all wondering what they're going to be like

Did they shower? Did they do anything? Keith goes, well they look the same As the day before well they look the same uh that's that's the day before uh so they look fine they don't like they don't look well rested they don't look anything um and then alec starts a different strategy alec starts to get into a territory that maybe on Survivor Head vs. Heart you would see some of, which is like a little bit of a little partner swapping.

We get this montage of Alec and Jacqueline kind of flirting with each other, sort of. Alec says, oh yeah, come on to downtown Orlando. I gotta show you downtown Orlando. Me and Drew will show you a hell of a time.

You can come down. You won't have to pay for a hotel. Jackwood says, oh, yeah, we'll go out and then get food after. That's the plan. They're making plans, Brandon. These aren't plans for the vote. These are plans for

a couple weeks from now. is yeah one let's like downtown orlando is not fun let's dispel that immediately you gotta see it downtown orlando it's got everything that's crazy there's there's buildings yeah streets over there like somewhere it's nothing there's food there's 11 more cities in florida that i think are more fun there's downtown orlando there's there's seats you could sit in you get plenty of seats go to so many seats um but this is yeah it's an interesting strategy and not you know he's alex saying like you can come it's not you can come it's not a we'll have a granted it's not a double date if it's if it's two brothers but it's you know where it's not a that's a real very uncomfortable

challengers situation japan and the christies keep that one i don't need this i don't want it this is something that they're like hey you can you you know when this is done ditch that guy yeah you come down you come down you hang with me he describes his tactic kind of interestingly here let's let's listen to this sound clip kind of like cream cheese you know cream cheese you can't hurt many things while putting cream cheese on it he says flirting is like cream cheese sure you can't hurt many things by putting cream cheese on it can we fact check that yeah name any food and it's wrong i think name any food that's not like a bagel or bread product i guess cake icing is cream cheese

or you can do a cream cheese frosting is totally fine uh cream cheese on a taco yeah i don't want that at all i think that sounds horrible like a thick schmear of cream cheese on a taco yeah there's a guy on tiktok who goes to bodegas and he's like let me a thick schmear of cream cheese on a taco Yeah there's a guy on TikTok who goes to bodegas and he's like Let me get a half pound of cream cheese And then they're like what? And it doesn't go everywhere It's very funny

He eats it It feels like he's flirting with his followers A little bit by posting that Cream cheese Yeah yeah let me listen Maybe it's him I don't know He posting that cream cheese yeah yeah let me get listen alec christie wants a half pound maybe it's him i don't know alec christie alec loves some cream cheese christie kind of has a secret way with words i think uh you know drew christie is the one who gets all the press brandon he does and it's funny because he's on for such a limited amount of time but i

really think in his own right what a character alec christc Christie. Alec Christie is a very specific individual. It's the praise that I will heap upon Alec Christie. Well, and not a lot of people, you know, you can draw comparisons to folks from now and folks from the new era, certainly. Not a lot of Alec Christie's. Alec Christie's one in the, one in, I mean, I guess he's one of two.

But even him, like we saw him they found the only other guy like him there's only two people like Drew or Alec they're each other he was on the show we watched him everybody's watching this being like what the hell is going on

but it's not even like that she has a boyfriend back home. She has a boyfriend on Exile Island. He's coming back here today. There's eight of you left. He's one of them. You're not getting away from him. It's just cream cheese, bro. It's just cream cheese.

It's totally fine. Immunity Challenge. Get your balls on a paddle, not a disc. Keith is going to win this. Not a lot to say about this immunity challenge. He barely beats John. Keith has a very... I love

when Keith wins challenges just because I love all things Keith Nail. I like how he wins this challenge and how he celebrates. He goes, oh, golly! And he just goes down the line and just says all their names. He's like, Jacqueline, Alec, oh, golly. And he just goes down the line and just like says all their names like Jacqueline, Jacqueline, Alec, Nat, John. Like he's just like saying their names as he passes them.

Maybe he's just trying to remind that like remind himself who they are since he did so poorly on the coconut chop and he didn't remember things about these people. And even in second chance, spoiler alert, Keith is on second chance. He forgets names on second chance around this same time of the game. Yes. So maybe he's just having to do, it's like doing brain quests in the car on a road trip. You just got to do something so you don't go crazy. You got to do it.

Yeah, keep going. After the immunity challenge, this is when we get into the final. I owe you all this. Okay, I'm sorry. I won't tell anyone. I'm sorry. I won't tell anyone. I'm sorry. Hey. No. Hey. No. Jacqueline. Stop. Well, what the hell?

I'm trying to tell you what happened. No. Give me a second. I'm sorry. What the hell? I'm trying to tell you what happened. This is what Rob should be shouting at Stephen every time Stephen talks over him during a Know Itit-alls. What the hell?

This would be a great season of dating couples. Five dating couples, five married couples. Easy. That's how we split it up. This is great. It's such good TV. The rest of this episode is just

a rom-com gone wrong. As John has returned from exile. He's so excited. He's so happy. Little puppy John is very excited to see Jacqueline. He's trying to get hugs and snuggles. And she wants to tell him what she's learned from the boys these past couple of days. And John's like, but I already knew all of that.

And she said, well, then fine. Play this game without me. You don't need me. Who needs me? If you don't want to listen to me at all. And he tries to like, oh, babe, babe, babe. He tries to put his hand on and he said, don't touch

me. Don't touch me. And I was tries to put his hand on and he says don't touch me don't touch me and i was convinced they were fighting this isn't you know they were fighting this this strategy if you're going on season 54 blood versus water three head versus heart with the couples yeah fake fight fake fight all the time just fucking fake but you have to make it to the to the cameras too right to the in the in uh when you go off for a walk sure well you got to tell them like hey we're gonna fake this or you come back and then you're like oh that was fake but then there have to have been a show they would already know because you've already established on camera yeah with your loved one hey let's fake a fight

but like then you go back it's a fake fight you know that's you know this season has happened because of the return of the dual confessional not a lot of two people in one confessional anymore we need that back we do but i nobody's suspecting this i mean if they did they didn't show up but nobody's suspecting this is fake this is real it's real it's not fake um i believe uh five hours is going to pass uh john and jacklin will have a sit down with Reed at one point. John's like, Reed, I'm not buying what you're selling. Reed's like, that's fine. I can go to Missy.

I just like you guys better. So can we work together? And then Natalie walks in while John is sitting with Reed and Jacqueline so that she can babysit this. And John says, I'm not thinking about it. I'm not thinking about it i'm not thinking about this i won't do it and he's like he's like kind of like i'm not thinking about it at all yeah there's nothing that i'm thinking and he's like just like pirate eyeing her uh pirate eyeing reed uh and then reed talks about how look if he's willing to do the wink

that's like you know he could he could have gotten caught winking at me. So if he's winking at me, if he's willing to wink at me, we might be okay. We might be all right. He could have gotten caught with the wink if it was like a good, it might not look like a wink. It might look like something stuck in his eye. I kind of wonder if that's literally what happened. Was it just like detritus in the eye and he's just trying to get that out?

Like if I just did that during the podcast, like in 10 minutes from now i just started doing this you wouldn't he's like oh he's got something well no for the context i would now think that you were doing it intentionally yeah like we just did two right now and that's definitely a third and that's definitely uh that's definitely deliberate uh but on like on a future podcast if like you're on with someone who's not me and I saw you wink, you know what? Honestly, I might think it's a shout out to me. So I don't actually think that you can ever blink to try to sat up your eye without me thinking that you're going to be winking. I am going. That's how I know that you listen to all of my work is that I'm going to blink at a random minute in the back half of the next podcast I'm on.

And I want it texted to me. I think that's where we're at now i can't believe you winked but i won't give you a time code that's too uh that's too hard i'm not gonna i'm not gonna do that um five hours pass five hours of this we get the uh five hours later and jacklyn is like taking a five hour nap every time John approaches, she doesn't want to talk to him. Eventually, she comes to John and it's John now who's mad.

John is the one who's like, oh, well, now you want to talk to me. Okay. And then she walks away from that. And so it's just a whole disaster and Reed's game is hanging in the balance. Reed's life is on the line and it's all getting threatened because of a fight.

A lover's quarrel. A lover's quarrel. That's what this season's gonna be called. Survivor lover's quarrel? That's really good. It's really good. Ooh. Yeah.

I don't get any money if you guys take that. The producers, I know you're listening. Sorry I outed the Cinderella reboot. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't worry about that. Lover's Quarrel is a really, it's a good name. Survivor Lover's Quarrel.

Reed was such a big character, you know, and we lose him in a really uneventful couple hours that's just, it's not tied to him. It's eventful for other folks, but he's hanging in the balance and then he goes. Tribal is boring tribal is just relitigating the fight basically uh any observations from tribal for you i don't really have much but i mean it's boring like again boring people people don't dig the new era like

is jeff pulling out twizzlers my favorite thing in the world no it's i like it more than it this is just nothing to me this is just like you know you go into the tribal council and you're like oh it's gonna be read and then you watch 10 minutes and it's like oh it's still read like it didn't we don't go anywhere right right uh we do get this vote from uh missy you have to go because you're a big rabble browser and by the way my kid is not a brat which she kind of is right yeah she's yeah yeah like it's one thing to be like don't call my child a brat don't go to say that he's not a brat i had i had this is federal information but i had a teacher yeah like it was my it was my fifth grade computer teacher okay and he wrote on my it was my fifth grade computer

teacher okay and he wrote on my thing like one of the things i don't know if it's like a report card or whatever but they wrote that i was lazy lazy and i remember because i was just like i'm in computer i'm not you know i don't i learned i know how to type i only type in a computer class like it's like isn't it supposed to like teach you how to be like efficiently lazy so like if you're being lazy aren't you doing the best right we're doing great i remember my mom now yeah i mean it worked out i didn't need that i remember my mom telling me like i know you're lazy but i don't like that she knows that you're like it was one of the like i she's right but i don't like that she's saying yeah right that's the missy angle is like i know she's a brat but only i get to call her yeah you don't get to say that you don't get to say that uh missy's i mean baylor is

bratty she's brat i i get it she's not brat but she's brat um reed votes for missy he says this will be the only time i'll write your name down but also i will bring up cinderella at tribal council in a non-flattering way uh for you at final tribal uh it's a slam dunk vote on reed all votes on reed ouch jeff is what he says as he gets his torch snuffed that's a good line bye bye reed ouch jeff is good i think ouch jeff is good uh should he have said ouch jeff can i have a hug stop asking for hugs. You know, one of the things that we do here on Stan Wandel, sir, is we like to mark the ways in which, uh, uh, history repeats itself, uh, between 10 years ago and 10 years later to the two episodes is the latest episode of survivor 47.

How is it being echoed in San Wandel, sir? Uh, and I think in this case, it's like a back-to-back episode. It's a supersized episode with two fairly obvious boots. And this week, it's a fairly obvious boot with Kyle. Who's doing it better?

The 90-minute Survivor episode where there's a very obvious boot or the back-to-back two-hour San Juan del Sur where both outcomes are pretty predestined. I think I like this better. I thought I thought the this past episode

of 47, I think all of 47 is super exciting and pre-merge super exciting. I think probably the most boring episode of 47 so far. That's maybe my take. It's the most boring episode of 47 so far. That's maybe my take. Boring episode. Yeah. It was just, it was like the,

the, like Rachel and the thing that was fun. Rachel and the thing. Super fun for me. I loved that, but just everything else. It just was, it was just a flat episode for me,

which doesn't happen often. And I don't think it's anybody's fault. I think it's like, yeah, Kyle didn't win immunity. Kyle should go. Let's vote on Kyle. Like, I get it.

But this was so much more exciting for me. And maybe that's also we're all we're factoring in nostalgia as well. I like seeing these guys I haven't seen in a long time. But like you get you get more personal conflict. People are me. Like, I understand that this is like, you know, if you're watching this movie against the movie that we watched on wednesday i like this movie better but that's not to say that the entire season 47 is a movie is is is any any i can't make a conclusion off of that and i won't yeah um but yes i prefer this much more um so we're gonna get to the out christy boot episode now uh uh alec uh says that

he's sick of people thinking he's flirting he He says, I'll flirt with whoever I want. If I wanted to flirt with someone, I would flirt with whoever. But didn't he just tell us that flirting was like cream cheese? So he's kind of already been flirting. The next day, he's talking to John, saying, so anything I can do? And John says, I got to be honest. This probably sounds arrogant.

No. There's nothing you can do. you're done you're toast nothing you could do john tells alec you won't find a crack and then alec winks at the camera says bet uh so if i want to find a crack i'll find a crack um so we're already setting up out for you know an alec boot episode it's going to be minimal alec as well uh we have this reward challenge uh stand on a small block holding a ball up against some wood would you be good at this yeah i think so did you do any training like any like training of like challenges like specific challenges before you went out to survivor did you try anything that seemed likely balance i had balance board i bought a balance board and i had a plate i don't have the plate here but i had a plate i have plates just not the one i used and then i you know where else they have plates downtown orlando

plenty of them lots of them actually cheesecake factory you'll get your mind um i would stand on the balance board and then i had a plate and i put balls on it and that was i was fine at that yeah i really you know i've said it but i was it was you know stuff happened you know no one's asking you to defend yourself you're fine you're fine this isn't about you ultimately like christy yeah you know i could have? Sure. Sign me up for balancing. What I would have given to balance? You got to balance this ball on the block of wood, and in exchange, you'll win a king-size bed,

chicken parm, spaghetti, and wine. A lot of very specific food items in the rewards this season. There was a big pastrami sandwich fiesta earlier. I did not remember that, but I dig that. Pastrami. Chicken parm. I love a chicken parm.

A chicken parm on the beach. Chicken parm in bed. Chicken parm in bed is crazy. It's kind of nuts. It's a good thing these aren't they're like permanent sheets because that bed spread is gonna be covered in red wine and red sauce by the end i don't think there's a worse collective meal to eat these things all at once yeah it seems crazy if you want to just bone your sheets yeah i guess

do it but it's just one night. It's just for one night. But maybe I would have like, all right, can we not eat in the bed? Can we like eat somewhere else? But you know, they're like, no, you have to eat this in bed. We got to get the shot.

Eat in the bed. I do like this reward as just like this, I think is something that I, you know, in Caramon, they do the reward, the family reward where the people that didn't go could see it. Like, I like this a lot. I understand maybe now like the just giving people a bed.

I understand maybe we want to avoid that. But I think that this is like, it's a super fun, anything that can generate conflict just because of the eyesight, I think is, is a lot of fun. And I'm surprised they haven't done this. Yes. And let's, let's, let's, let's iterate on it. Let's, let's come up with like a different version um couch and a tv couch and a tv is exactly what i just thought couch tv movie yeah you can kind of hear the movie you have to stand back for a certain point

you can kind of hear it um but that i think is i think that's a great reward we put out a rug we make it look like it's your it's your friend's basement you know like i think that's a great reward. We put out a rug. We make it look like it's your, it's your friend's basement. You know, like I think that's a lot of fun. Yeah. Um, you get couch, you get movie snacks.

Um, and, but it has to be within eyesight. You have to be able to kind of see what the movie is. Yeah. That's like, you ever drive behind somebody and their children are watching like a, a movie on the headsets.

And you're like, I wonder what that is. Yeah. And then you get close. Cause you're like, is it that is yeah and then you get close because you're like is it spy kids and it is sometimes and usually it's spy kids oftentimes it's not but sometimes it is um that's what this would be like uh sometimes it's shark boy and lava girl that happened right one time and it was very odd very odd when that happened yeah i think like tv dinner and a tv and a couch uh do like um put a fountain there do like

the friends thing uh like they they got creative with like the the the montage and the playing with the boys last season they could do like uh they could recreate a friends thing are you are you is your reward you're suggesting they recreate the theme song yeah like with the fountain that just seems like it's more work reward challenge if you win you get to be the stars of a parody video

of the friends opening and we can't use the Rembrandt song so nobody will know what this is we can't afford that song we're gonna edit So nobody will know what this is. We did that song. We can't afford that song. We're going to edit it. Note. Perfect.

The choreography is going to be exactly right. No music underneath. Silence. Only silence. It's the friends intro, but it's dry. It's the dry friends intro. Can I,

I'm going to make the quickest aside. Everybody listening. This is going to be 30 seconds. Just skip through this, this past, you know, friends intro can i i'm gonna make i'm gonna make the quickest aside everybody listening this is gonna be 30 seconds just skip through um this this past you know week on dance with the stars two of the folks that were there danced to the theme song of friends okay all right i'll be there for you and they dance to the first verse and it looks like they're gonna wrap it up and then they do the second verse you never get to hear the second verse i don't think i even knew there was one oh yeah how long does kong go in its natural native form it's a three minute it's a standard song really standard song but they i think that would happen someone vet the friends theme song

for you before you could listen to it i i would have the second verse you hear the lyrics of the second verse you're like oh god that's why they only use the first one yeah yeah it's so funny it's like you're seeing you know your teacher at the mall you're like oh it's the friends second verse you never get to hear that yeah uh natalie's gonna make some friends natalie's gonna make some friends she wins this challenge she's gonna uh immediately exile alec who we basically won't see for the rest of the episode until post immunity, even though he goes home. She's going to pick Jacqueline and John. Missy and Bay are not thrilled about it because the difference this time is they're going to be in full view of the bed and the chicken parm and the

spaghetti and red wine. And Keith says, I'm used to it. So he's fine. Keith is the first person to go to the bed when they go back to camp. He goes to the bed. He's just, like, testing the bed. He's like, yeah, it's a good bed. You guys have fun.

Part of me was like, are they, like, allowing Keith to, like, are they going to let him lie down on the bed? Like, should he even be allowed? Should he have been allowed to touch the bed? Yeah, so in our reward that we're pitching can you touch you can't touch the couch i don't get the couch is like you're benefiting from the couch by touching the couch you know what i mean you're getting a lot you know it's a taste of home even if you're just like even if you're just like

fingertipping the couch you know like i think like even doing that it's like the tactile feeling of like mom's basement you know like i feel like velvet yeah like i feel like what kind of couch are we doing by the way you don't like velvet i like i think velvet's fun velvet on sand is gonna suck but you don't want to do like uh like uh like old italian family like plastic on the on the furniture oh i do plastic that is what if they won that they'd be like plastic on the, on the furniture. Oh, I do. Plastic. That is fun. What if they won that? They'd be like,

can we, can we take the, like, no, no, can't do it. And you fly out my, my grandmother who still has the plastic on her head.

And she'll be like, we can't, we can't part with this just yet. Uh, Keith and Missy and Baylor, they're going to go off. They're going to get water. Uh, John and Jacqueline and baylor they're gonna go off they're gonna get water uh john and jacklyn and natalie feel kind of bad about it they think like there's always a chance

for something weird to happen we never cut to a conversation between missy baylor and keith because presumably it never happened uh they probably just like went the whole way without speaking a word uh they just don't have a lot in common um john is uh a wine connoisseur he knows his way around yes he knows how to swirl it doing the swirling he does the swirl he could do like the sniff he could tell you the notes like notes of oak and chicken parm he wants to be a sommelier it's a thing that uh bonds him closer to his father who we will learn in this episode uh has brain cancer uh and john will get very emotional about that at tribal in this episode natalie meanwhile it's just like i don't want to hear him talking about

wine anymore what an idiot thinks he knows everything it's like was natalie you privy to the backstory? He must have talked about the backstory. And Natalie's like, I don't care. She's like Sue versus Kyle. She doesn't want to hear your sob story. I do. There is a world where Natalie knows. You're a sick dad who likes wine?

How dare you? Bring your phone here. I do. It was interesting how Natalie goes back to this mailer mailer and busy this you got it no you got it the first time they were in busy um busy and says like oh he's already talking about how he's gonna spend the money like he it's a lot of the money i didn't get that for maybe obviously the conversation had to have been longer or Natalie is just disgruntled and then relaying a different thing. But I thought he was just talking about his hopes and dreams.

I thought he was just talking about his hopes and dreams as well. But I didn't watch it close enough to tell you that for certain. And also, even if he didn't say that, a great thing for Natalie to be telling Missing Dayward right now. Oh, Hondo peak. And I do think we, even that in a bubble, John does give the air of somebody who does think he already won the program. So like,

like it does, it makes sense. It's not an, it's an allegation that is maybe false, but it does track with every other behavior that we've witnessed. Yes. Um, Natalie is going to find out that John has the idol.

This is good information for her. She is going to find out that John has the idol. This is good information for her. She is continuing to try and get her revenge against John. The next day, she will tell Baylor that it was the worst experience of my life, sharing a bed with Natalie. Cushy life. Pretty good. It's a pretty good life. That's the worst thing that's ever happened?y life. Pretty good. It's a pretty good life. That's the worst thing that's ever happened?

Not bad. Pretty good. On the final seven, you won the reward. You're eaten, you know, on a TV program. It's good. Everyone is sick

of John and Jacqueline. John and Jacqueline are sleeping through the day. The bed is gone, but now they're sleeping through the shelter and everyone's doing chores except for John and Jacqueline.

And so everyone's mad at John and Jacqueline. Keith's mad. Nat's mad. They're all kind of mad. And John says to Jacqueline, I kind's mad at John and Jacqueline. Keith's mad. Nat's mad. They're all kind of mad. And John says to Jacqueline, I kind of got a weird vibe today. You think?

Like, did you notice they just like dropped a huge pile of wood next to my ear? Did you see that? Wake up. I mean, John famously got the call, I think, for second chance and then just didn't, he didn't know the number

or like went to his voicemail or something. This guy isn't he's charming but he's not he's not a thinker you know prince charming he could be on survivor 50s cinderella yes in the cinderella reboot famous yeah um yeah he could if he answers his phone but yeah i don't think that you know he's not putting he's not putting a lot of two and two together yeah uh does survivor call you from a blocked number or do you get an actual number that calls you you get an actual number i for for the years you know i'm 11 thinking about getting on survivor i always i always thought it was one a blocked number and i always thought they would call before they emailed yeah so i thought you'd randomly get the call like it's like the like it's like you're you know the call

but they email you they email you know that you're gonna think the call. Like it's like you're, you know, the call. But they email you. They email you. You know that you're going to get the call. Do you think that this is because of John? Do you think John changed protocol? He might have changed the protocol, yeah. It's like you have to now confirm that we're going to call you. Yeah, for years I thought that you just like one day you just get the call.

But you get an email that says, hey, we're going to call you in 10 minutes. And then they call you. And it's, you know, it's still exciting but it's it's less so it's not as random as you want it to be uh okay immunity challenge this is actually kind of the immunity challenge that we got this week on survivor 47 it's a different version but it's also like line the blocks up hold the rope go back grab a block come back uh a little uh less punishing uh it's more forgiving than uh the challenge uh that we saw on survivor 47 because like if you knock the blocks over they stay on the platform you just got to like straighten them back up so they were allowed to

do that a bunch which probably saved some time and i'm actually kind of surprised that that's not still how they do it if If I'm Jeff Probst, I want to get out of there, you know, quick, quick. He said, let's just let Missy win it.

Yeah. You guys want Missy to win? I do. I want to retract what I said earlier about being good at that. I would not be good at this. There's no world in which I'm good at this. I think I'd be quite bad at this. This version,

maybe I could do, but the, when you have to stack it on top of stuff, no chance. I don't have a steady chance i don't have a steady i don't have a steady hand yeah i guess that that disqualifies me from all balancing also but at least you're kind of you're kind of compact as opposed to like let me know do i have a steady hand uh i wouldn't say i wouldn't give it an a plus no i think it's a b i think i've got a b uh uh in the

steadiness of my hand so i i don't know i i don't think i would be first out uh but it's not a placement thing so whatever we'll never know we'll literally never never know we'll never literally no chance we'll ever find out um missy is gonna cry before the challenge she's sleep deprived baylor previously has said oh i see Missy cry, I cry. So she's crying too. She wishes that she could give her own energy and strength to her mom. She could just like take it out of her,

give it to mom. She can't do it. You can't do that. It's not possible to do that. But the thoughts, you can say a lot of stuff that's not possible. You know? Great sci-fi concept.

Great premise. Great premise. Sure. Maybe Philip K. Dick did something with that. I don't know. It's a pretty straightforward challenge. John's going to win. Alec is going to go early.

Or he's not going to do well. And Probst is going to comment one time. Alec dumps again. And I just thought that was funny because I'm a child. So back at camp, John with immunity, who was maybe sort of cuspy in the crosshairs because Natalie is still looking to take her shot. She no longer can. So now she has to look one move ahead. Now she has to look one move ahead.

The plan is we're going to split votes on Keith and Alec, just in case one of them has an idol. And the plan is to get Keith out because he's better at challenges than Alec. Alec sensing impending doom is going to try the cream cheese tactics with Baylor. He's going to say, you know, I'm not an emotional guy, but I just want to tell you about a couple of them. Also, what do you think of downtown Orlando? Would you like to know more about that?

There aren't so many recording studios in downtown Orlando. Natalie is hatching this secret plan where she is going to she's supposed to vote for Keith here. She's supposed to vote for Keith here. She's supposed to be the fourth vote on Keith,

but she says, what if I flip it on to Alec? And then Keith's going to owe me one. And I don't remember what Rob and I said about this back in the evolution of strategy. And again, hindsight being 2020. And ultimately, this works out great for Natalie. But a lot to put on the guy who did stick to the plan uh two tribals ago that like keith's gonna owe me one and then like when i'm gonna need keith

to pull off stealth tactics he's gonna be my guy it's like it's a big bet big bet right now from natalie anderson yeah it's a bet ultimately hell yeah for the you struck the jackpot on this bet but yeah it's a it's a toughie i think i mean who's to i can't you know posture on natalie's thinking but like maybe alec like feels more like he couldn't make like alec's gonna be trying to make a plan whether like keith is gonna stick to the plan yeah i'll plan? The plan? Stick to a plan would be fine. So that's her. She's thinking about this going into tribal. There's a little bit of drama at tribal.

You know, John's going to talk about his father and his regrets about not being closer. And then also there's... Oh, my God. It's a rat rat It's not brat It's rat We've got rats in the house Is this Is this like

Is this just like I don't know I don't even know I don't know what I was going to say I lost it It's say. I lost it. It is like that. It's like that. I lost it.

I lost it. Alex says I'd eat it. Alex says I'd eat that. I'm hungry. And everyone's like, okay, we got to vote you out. Like, you need a burger. Bad. Yeah.

But he's a meat collector, we should know. So, of course. Did he say meat? That's him or his brother. That's him. He's the meat collector. Alex is a meat collector. Whether or not drew is a meat collector is unconfirmed,

but Alec has confirmed that he himself is a meat collector. Uh, and that rat could have blown up his skirt as he might've said, um, Alec votes for Keith. It's you or me. Keith votes for Alec votes come in. It's Alec. for Keith. It's you or me. Keith votes for Alec. Votes come in. It's Alec.

Natalie acts chill. She just did the plan perfectly according to the wider group. The rest of the group's like, no. What happened? And they're surprised. Alec has some fun final words. This is what he says. I gave it my all I didn't win

but at least I beat Drew so that counts as a win for me that's it unfortunately Brandon you did not beat Drew I didn't beat Drew I was just gonna say there were only about five people in my program that did beat Drew

I am not chief among them. He did not beat Drew. The only person that I beat did not want to participate in the program any longer. He wanted to leave. Speaking of the quits, yes. Listen, it's great. Julie McGee paved the way. She did. But we love Alec.

Right? We love Alec. Great TV in this very specific context. In the very specific context of San Juan del Sur, Alec Christie, riveting TV. Very, very fun. He's added a lot to the rewatch as far as I'm concerned. Sure.

But yeah, it's kind of like dump episodes here, yeah? Like, let's just get them out of the way. Pretty straightforward votes. The votes are straightforward. Fun enough. Fun enough. Fun enough. Uh,

we like to go back in the time machine, uh, even further than just the episodes, Brandon, we like to see what was happening on the pods, uh, 10 years ago. Uh,

and so, uh, our great San Juan del surrogates, Danielle and Josh provide the notes here. Um, both of them provided notes on the know it alls. So our great San Juan del Sur against Danielle and Josh provide the notes here. Both of them provided notes on the know-it-alls. Apparently, for this two-hour episode, who do you think Stephen Fishback gave the fishy to?

This is the collective two hours. Yeah, for the two-hour episode. I mean, is it... And Natalie makes sense to me? John makes sense to me, kind of. Not really. Natalie, right? Nobody. Fishback gave Fishby to no one over the course of these two hours.

He does not believe anyone deserved it. I mean, I guess without... With Rob and Fish, we're very out natalie's move to vote out alec right without knowing how it works i understand why you would be um yeah steven said that she had an hour and 45 minutes of perfect play and he was ready to give her 15 fishies oh no fishies. No fishies. Fresh out of fishies. So there's that. In the exits, Reed told Rob that he did not regret calling a brat. He stuck by it. He said, I stick by it.

But maybe it wasn't a good move. So maybe it wasn't a good move to call her brat. Yeah, but that's that's fine. I liked it. Read. Yeah. Alec in his exit interview told Rob he also held true to one of the things that he said in this episode. He said that cream cheese is great on everything.

He adds it to all breakfast foods, including muffins. Oh, Jesus. Yeah, it to all breakfast foods including muffins oh jesus yeah that's all breakfast foods yeah muffin is somehow like one of the least offensive is who is mom we just saw muffin you like i feel like if you're gonna put cream cheese on anything of a breakfast food i guess i'd reach for muffin yeah um but it's better than someone that's better than cereal uh so we learned in this exit interview with alec that drew drew had been drew christy was hanging out with cat uh of survivor one world and blood versus water fame yeah okay they were both both living in the florida area i don't know uh they must have visited downtown orlando uh and uh and alex said maybe i wasn't supposed to say anything about that but now i now you know they're not a couple i just said they're hanging out is what alex christie said

sure i wish them luck if you guys are together still hit me up. I'll send a wedding gift. This week in survivor history, we're not taking Kalish's job away. This weekend, Rob has a podcast history. Brandon was the Tyson was a Tyson cast. I don't believe the longest that he's done, but it was four hours,

a four hour Tyson cast where of course Tyson was talking about his blood versus water experiences he said if somebody had been flirting with Rachel he would have flirted with the other person's partner so that's how he would have done that

we hashtagged Drat instead of Brat in honor of Drew and Kat. And Tyson said he wishes that he could listen in on what they were talking about. I do as well. This was around the time that he was on Marriage Boot Camp. Do you remember that Tyson was on Marriage Boot Camp. Um, do you remember what the Tyson was on marriage bootcamp? Yes. With Spencer,

Spencer, uh, Spencer Pratt. Yeah. And there were a couple other people in there. Um, Pratt, it's,

it's, it's all right. That has been Pratt summer for a couple of years, but, uh, he'll make a return. This is, uh,

this must've happened either the same week or, uh, shortly afterward. Uh, the, um, the pod on pod reviews. Do you remember pod on pod? Do you know what pod on pod is? If I if I bring it to you that way, I don't remember that at all.

I mean, tell me. But I know maybe I'll drop my memory. It's going to you're going to get it. Pod on pod was a podcast that reviewed other podcasts and they would rate every podcast from a scale of zero to two earbuds this was when pod on pod gave rhap zero earbuds uh was this week on rhap so in the middle of the tyson cast we got a hashtag zero earbuds okay um and that podcast is defunct, I bet. Let's do a check. How's Pod on Pod?

Pod on Pod 2024. Let's see. That gets me nothing. Pod on Pod podcast. Pod on Pod podcast. Let's see. Are we going to get Pod on Pod? There's a Reddit from nine years ago

that says uh okay they have a youtube that looks like it hasn't been updated in nine years okay uh won the war well Well, I think we did. I know we did. I think we did. Yes. So with respect to Josh and Joel, the hosts of Pod on Pod, I tried to listen to a new episode of your podcast today, but I couldn't. So by default, zero earbuds. That's it.

You get none. Nothing for you. And then i like to check it on how was my headline writing this was the first season i was doing exit interviews on parade back in the day uh i had reed kelly turns off the dark on his survivor experience was a spider-man turn off the dark reference because he was one of them okay not my best this one I still laugh at survivor player

Alec Christie meets his maker but it's M E A T S because he's oh yeah okay that's funny it's not that good that's funny I like it I just I'm i'm like i can't spell it meets semi-ats that's it that's the pod uh that's it you went back 10 years to san juan del sur you joined me in nicaragua and we're making it out of here firmly intact one step closer to natalie anderson's historic win just two more weeks of

san juan del surf you could believe it brandon i was gonna ask you i wonder if who's gonna win this but i guess i guess we know it's not i have a thought i have a sneaking suspicion we do spoilers it's fine you It's 10 years. It's a celebration. It's not a first watch. Yeah, oh my God. And not for anything. Again, like I said, I was a senior in high school when I'm watching this. And now, 10 years later, I'm here. We're all here.

Not all of us, but many of us are still here. Pot on pot isn't still here, but... They were in here for... you know you know nine years yeah if we did this podcast next year that should be the idea for the spring is we let pot on pot know what they missed we we recap pot on pod um we you know we can see like a negative two earbud idea i think uh it's because workshop it will work It will work. We'll talk it through offline. Brandon Donlan,

what a treat. My favorite, my favorite account on the Blue Sky Skeets. Just out there posting face, just making face, giving face, giving face,

serving face, serving face, serving face on Blue Sky. Sometimes coded messages. You got to find them. There's seven coded messages in each one. People just haven't found them yet. You're like the Waldo of social media.

Yeah. I'm there. And you got to find me. You got to find me. You got to find me. Yeah. I mean, I pigeonhole myself into a bit on blue sky that I can't and won't get out of. So if you want to see my face, just pictures of me anywhere it's a donlin at b sky dot social is that what we're doing

i think you just say what you are they'll find you i'm ryan and donald at blue sky dot social it's a mouthful um i'm just round howard uh you'll find me one way or the other what a delight to do a survivor podcast together. It's the best. People say that we sound the same. So I hope that people can tell who's talking. Were people able to differentiate between the two, the two white dudes with brown hair and I formerly had glasses.

You formerly, the artist formerly known as Josh Wiggler with glasses. Yes. I hope so. I had a great time otherwise people might be like that was a fairly impressive monologue it really really went went hard trained for years to do that on stage and you just did it and born with it born with it i don't have many gifts that's one of them um or i what do you

got going on anything you know plugs nothing to plug just like hey i'm here it's me no plugs i i don't think i'll be around for podcasts for the next couple weeks just because i i kind of was already everywhere so um i'm rooting for i'm rooting for everybody but i think my my winner pick still holding strong so who's your winner for 47 caroline we are all in on the caroline whoa yeah i don't know that i made a winner pick i don't think i made a winner pick i think i think that uh i may have retroactively said uh baby andy is my winner pick just uh to support the remaining hometown hero sure um and we love him we love them all we love them but'm I'm around. If you need me for anything, just ask.

Just ask. Ask Brandon Donlan anything. If you need branding, ask branding, Donlan, anything for a fee. Yeah, I do want money. He's going to try and win. I didn't win the show when we do this. We recall five in 10 years. Yeah, I didn't win.

Yeah. Heads versus hearts. will you go on um my beloved girlfriend would not and i will say that that's the reason that why we won't go okay okay yeah would she do good would she be good on the show would she do well she's very she'd do great but she's very afraid of bugs yeah so i think that's the the detractor is there are there's never been a bugless location no there's never really been a bugless location full stop where are you gonna not find the library there's bugs there there's bugs library and but survivor in a library is an interesting one uh like uh like a great library oh yeah the one in the what's the one in new york

with all the the cool lamps it's over there the the great library of new york uh oh is that what that is yeah i believe that's what it's called this is a very big great library in the middle of new york uh you could do a survivor you could do a survivor there okay would she be would she've been okay with the rat rats fine yeah yeah rats rats are chilling rats fine you know i don't like new yorkers okay there's you know you get snakes you get rats that's what makes survivor what it is you know that's that's it all right brandon well thank you for filling in for robbie o uh who will be back next week on the other side of houston uh where he is for the live rhAP event in Houston. This podcast coming out Tuesday around 3 p.m.

one day before that event. If you're in the Houston area, I actually literally have no idea if tickets are still available, but I suspect you could find out. So do a little search if you are in the greater Houston area and you want to go see Rob and some other RHAP-friendly faces and survivors.

You can certainly do that. You'll be able to listen to all of that and more in the days ahead as we process this next episode of Survivor 47. Before Stan Wandolf comes back for another round, the Wandolf will return. The Wandolf for Survivor 47 is airing next monday night on club condo it's a club condo wand off that we're going to be doing next monday night get your wand offs in send them in rob has a website.com slash wand off if you can't sing or you

don't want to find a friend who can or just do it anyway some of the best wand offs were not that good uh so you could be one of those i i love the bad wand offs uh so just send them did you ever wand off did you ever send in a wand off brandon i never sent in but i i listened every week is my my favorite part of the week do you have a musical are you inclined musically do you have a musical aptitude i can play the guitar okay um i can't do i i played a lot of instruments i didn't see any through um but i can i can hang guitar um i wish i could sing so bad it's my least favorite thing about myself is that i can't sing super well i'm like on a one to ten i think i'm a four but but it's not a four is where

you don't want to be because if you're a one it's like funny to hear you sing yeah and ten you're good four is like you're you're really trying to sound good and you're not quite there who's better you or jeff and where's jeff on the one to ten jeff's jeff's like he's kissing six i think he's he's he's above i think middle um i don't know if he's great, but I think with, with classical training, I don't know if it has to be classical. It could be contemporary, modern, whatever. But if he had training, I think he could get to a place where he could sing on a stage. I would not get there for a while. I don't think. Okay. Okay.

Well, great to have goals. Great to have goals this late in life, Brandon. I got a couple of them. I really like, uh, there was a, she's so high. It was a, them I really like there was a she's so high was a it was I think she's so high and mighty was Natalie Cole for the diverse Goliath I really liked that one I listen to that one on YouTube a lot yep yep so lots of future classics coming to the

wand off next week Stan Wandel soar resumes with the penultimate episode next week here until then everybody take care. Bye-bye.