RHAP: We Know Survivor - Talking with T-Bird: Sugar Kiper

Episode Date: August 14, 2024

In this episode of “Talking with T-Bird,” Rob and T-Bird welcome Survivor: Gabon and Heroes Villains castaway, Sugar Kiper!

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Cause we're talking with T-Bird now. And this T-Bird, you cannot change. Oh, this T-Bird you cannot change. And things might get pretty strange. Yeah, that's right. Talking with T-Bird back again as the summer of T-Bird rolls on here today. Another good one. An icon today.

We'll be catching up with Jessica Sugar Kuiper. And let's bring in the woman who is the reason for the season, who brings us all together. It's the great Teresa T. Bird Cooper. Hello, Rob. Yes, we do have a live on. Hey, Rob. How are you? Doing great.

How are you? I'm doing well. Thank you for asking. Yeah. Very excited about our guest today. Yeah. It's been a minute since we got together for talking with T-Bird, even though it's been a busy summer of talking with T-Bird. I'm going to catch up with Sugar. And this is very exciting. I believe this is going to be Sugar's RHAP debut here today. Oh, really? Yeah really yeah oh that makes it even better very exciting that she was up for coming on and uh getting uh her here today t-bird amazing yeah yeah i'm very excited about having her yeah this is a fun one let's talk about Big Brother for just a minute. Okay. For just a moment.

Very quickly. Yes. Because I'm watching it. I got pulled into it a couple years ago. And I'm saying I'm not going to watch it. And then there it is. I'm watching it. So my favorite, I've got to say my favorite character, if you will.

Do you know who it might be? I think Tucker is what you're going to say. Yes. Yes. How did you know this? Well, T-Bird, so we're recording this. Peek behind the curtain, okay? These are not live talking with T-Bird from when you're watching them.

We're recording this. It is 2.40 p.m. Eastern on Thursday. Right. Buckle up, T-Bird, okay? That's all I'm going to say for tonight. Wait, for tonight, for Thursday night? Yeah. I'll call Rob, and guess what guess what

i've got to do i will be buckled up tonight because i'm flying out and i'm leaving to go to the airport after you heard it here for a t-bird t-birds uh team tucker yeah i'm team tucker and you know why i think i like tucker so much and i liked him from the very start because i know i told you this on one of our previous talking with T-Birds. He is a cross to me between Jim Carrey and another guy that I have never met, but I love Shane Powers. The cross between Jim Carrey and Shane Powers. Okay. Yeah. So yeah. Do you see that at all? I think that's a good call. There you go. I have to tell you, Rob. So last night after it was over, I text Shane. Now, Shane is very mysterious. Let me just for anybody that doesn't know this.

I have him in my phone. I don't aggravate Shane because Shane's not the aggravating. No, you shouldn't. I never text him. And if I ever have in the past for something, he might text me back, but he's busy and he probably doesn't want to be dealing with T-Bird. But I texted him last night and I said, by chance, are you watching Big Brother? Because at this point, I got to get this out. He's got to know how I'm feeling. And he did text me back and he said, yes, I am. And then, of course, I told him that I loved Tucker because he reminds me of you, Shane and Jim Carrey. And Shane actually said he had heard that from quite a few people.

Oh, so it's not just me. Yeah. So I thought that was interesting. So, yeah. Yeah. So tonight. Yeah. So we'll see what happens. So thank you for letting me throw that in there. And Kenny, should I stay or should I go now? I don't know, Kenny. I don't know.

We'll find out. I mean, this podcast is going to be very outdated when people listen to it. But there you go. All right. I just did want to mention that our survivor family did have a loss since the last time we've gotten back together. I actually saw the news from you on social media that Kim Johnson, the runner-up from your season, Survivor Africa, passed away recently. Very sad to hear.

Mama Kim. Yeah, you know, we didn't stay in contact. I think I mentioned to you when we were on the season of these careers, you can reach out to them anytime. I feel like I can. And there are some, of course, in our circle, you stay more in touch with. I had not known that Mama Kim had been sick. Yeah. And so for me, Mama Kim was one of those vibrant, energetic women. And that's how I remembered her, of course, from our season. So Ethan is the one that let us know because he had stayed in contact. They were very close out there.

I tried my best to get Mama Kim to do a Girls Alliance. I always remember that. And she was too smart to know she was right where she needed to be. Yeah, I don't think I ever encountered her, even coming back through. But she was also somebody that had roots on Long Island. But she didn't really stay involved in the survivor circle. She had her adventure and, you know, she didn't really, you didn't see her come to a lot of those survivor events.

Right. I'm not sure that I saw her. I don't think I saw her at any of them, but, you know, she had applied for a launch for many, many times. Wait a minute. For many, many times. We were season three. She couldn't have applied that many times. But I think she had applied maybe twice and wanted to do it. And, you know, her and Ethan had such a really strong, very neat bond so that they would have been that they were the final two. And I don't think Kim, you know, like I said, I remember talking to Kim about, you know,

an all-girls alliance that there's no way she's going to bust through Lex and Ethan and Big Tom, which she wouldn't have. But the game changes. So there she was, the final two. So it was a beautiful story for her. And she was a special person. Yeah. And I remember one of my favorite moments was, uh,

she made quite an impression on big Tom at one point, uh, with, uh, that SOS challenge. Yes. She, she called big Tom, Tommy. Yeah. She always called big Tom, Tommy. Yes. Yes, she did. She was a very special lady with a family. She was a grandma and just lots of energy and a very, very cool, cool lady. Yeah. All right. Well, RIP Kim Johnson. All right. We've got a good one for you here today. And so let's go ahead. Let's bring in Sugar Kuiper. Of course, you watch these on our

YouTube channel as well. Rob's website dot com slash YouTube T-Bird. Let's have you take it away. Our guest today from Brooklyn, New York, appeared on the 17th season of Survivor Gabon at 29 years old and then would be asked back for season 20 Heroes vs. Villains. She was not a fan of the show and actually said, quote, I was never a fan of reality TV, end quote. and Ashley said, quote, I was never a fan of reality TV, end quote. The casting team recruited her after seeing her on a pinup calendar for a dog charity, Pinups for Pups. She was going through a challenging time in her life. Her hero, her dad, passed away seven months prior.

She said, quote, I wasn't thinking anything. I wasn't doing anything and had no reason to get out of bed. And I needed a crazy adventure I would never be able to go on or experience, end quote. She also said she did Survivor because she thought it might help her grow up a little bit, get thicker skin, and help her deal with her father's death. Casting sent her six seasons to binge watch, father's death. Casting sent her six seasons to binge watch, and although she said she didn't expect to go far, it became apparent that she understood the assignment. She ended up making it to day 39, spending 10 of those nights alone on Exile Island and still holding the record for most exile visits, which she called her, quote, spa days. She said she couldn't have asked for a better experience out there after all she was going through at the time. She was able to find an idol. There was fruit in the sugar shack and the hammock there,

she believed, was a sign from her dad since he had always had a hammock on his porch wherever he lived. She was in the final three, made it to day 39 with no votes cast against her. Although she did not win, she was a fan favorite leaving a big impression and she would be asked back for heroes versus villains. As a hero, of course, she was voted out day three. She said it was not a good experience and that the game was more emotionally and mentally taxing than physical. Playing the second time with friends made it difficult when she was betrayed by who she thought was not only a friend, but an ally, saying, quote, they used unnecessary roughness, end quote. She was told by the psychologist once she left the game, quote, you are now crazy. Don't change where you work, who you date and where you live for the next year, end quote.

And I did all those things, she said. She struggled, but was able to get through the dark days. Her life was full and her resume impressive before she played on Survivor. She started her acting career at age 19 in front of a live studio audience in Four Year Love, which was a mix between theater and acting. character Jane, Angel Weeds, and has had her face, voice, and body as a video game character, Candy Edwards in L.A. Noor. And her career still prospers. She is now in the miniseries Clipped, but it's her private life that she is most proud of. Married to the love of her life, Nicholas, since 2016, a photographer because, quote, was a photographer without their model, end quote. Oh, that's cute, but that's for me.

And she has her own mini-me, Punky Jean, aka PJ. Her life is full. I introduce the small but mighty, spunky, bubbly girl who is passionate and emotional about politics, who stands up to bullies, who is not afraid to speak her mind, and a hero who was not afraid to flip off a villain. The beautiful, sassy Jessica Sugar Kuiper. Oh, that was such a sweet intro. So many wrong things. Hey, Sugar, what'd I get wrong? Sugar, correct me.

Do you have a fact check for T-Bird? I should have taken notes because it was very hard. Well, I was living in Brooklyn, New York when Survivor found me on the calendar. All that part is true, but that's not where I'm from. Actually, I was born in Florida, raised in Louisiana, moved to San Francisco

at 17 when I graduated, and then moved down to L.A. at 19. Were you in Brooklyn ever? Yeah, I lived there. After my father passed, when they found me for survivor, I was and my ex-husband at the time, we were already ex-annulled. But his father actually died three days before, three days after my dad. And it was like he, check this out. My dad had three and a half years of cancer, but he, and didn't really take care of too much stuff that he should have because he just didn't want to die.

And then my ex-husband Nala, who's a tattoo artist in New York, his dad used to ride every single day on his bike to the opera house where he worked for 10 plus years, probably more. And one day somebody didn't look in the rearview mirror

of the car, opened up the car door, tripped his bike into the street. He was killed by a truck three days after my dad died. So I had moved up to New York to be with him. And that's when Survivor randomly found me. And he's actually why I did it because, well, the dog has a part of the story but my husband my ex-husband not he we watched the tapes they you know they send you like five tapes not that old but five but five or six seasons they sent me uh dvds and china was definitely one and uh um like he was like if you don't do this you're nuts and i was like already nuts. Like, what do you think I'm doing here? But also like we were both nuts at the time and we were young and had just had first season. And when I moved to LA,

I saw the billboards for it and I was like, Oh my God, this is crazy. Like I thought really people died because I came from Louisiana. My mother was like the mother from Carrie, Mrs. White. So, you know, like I, I actually thought people, I thought, Oh, this is the end of the world. And then like 10 years later, weirdly, they like found me on a thing for a different show. For some dog training, like people live together and like America's best dog or America's favorite dog is so random. But, you know, and my dad had just passed. And so he said, you don't do this. You're nuts.

And I was like, all right, I guess I'm going to do that. They seem like they want me. I don't understand how this happened to me. Right. And, uh, and it was such a growth experience. And like, usually I say careful what you wish for. I didn't wish for that, but to people who are applying, I say careful what you wish for. And, you know, probably most people are not ready for it. And they also think apparently that some of it's fake and it's not, and you know, you guys know, um, I never thought that, you know, you and I came from acting, I was already on Gilmore girls and other shows beforehand, you know? So, uh, I didn't actually think that I thought like, you know, this is just an experience I'd already given up. I was like done acting. I was like, maybe that. I thought, like, you know, this is just an experience. I had already given up.

I was, like, done acting. I was like, maybe that's not my thing, you know. And I actually had, you know, really good. I only got to make out with Milo for the whole, you know, episodes, all four episodes of Gilmore Girls in the third season, if you're wondering. But it was Shane. That was the name. I don't know what you called me.

Oh, for the video game? No, the Gilmore Girls. I don't know what you called me. I think I called you Jane. Was it Jane? Shane. Shane. Shane. I didn't even know Milo Ventimiglia was on Gilmore Girls. Gilmore Girls fans will be like, oh my god, how

does she not know that? Because they do know these. Yeah yes but the vibes were really good right even if t-bird got some facts wrong like oh my god the vibes were so good oh yeah i wanted to be like oh oh oh and i think i did a couple times but like um i really couldn't keep up you know just let her cook sugar well she looked it up on the Internet and that's not always accurate. Not always accurate. Sugar. So you mentioned this. So I kind of want to jump into this just first, only because you said, be careful what you wish for, because these reality shows can be debilitating once they're over with. And I think you are you know, you went through a lot after heroes versus

villains and I was thinking about you a lot the last few weeks as I was learn trying to learn accurately about you um an actress so you're used to rejection you were used to all that no no I know it actually is a really incredibly hard business. And you are used to it. But I actually had so much luck in the beginning hand so that I had never met someone. I had never met so many people, different people. Yes. And I remember the same, you know, when I was doing my season, the same thing, just being exposed to so many different people.

But what would you suggest for people jumping into the reality world? Because like I said, you had, you know, you had been out there, even though you were only 29 when you played, you had done so many other things. Baby. You were a baby, but you had done so many things in Hollywood. A lot of things, a lot of things happened for you. And I'm sure just as many things didn't come through because that's the business. So people are extremely lucky. So

right. So I think I had a luck mentality in my brain still at 29. And, um, and recently something happened to, well, we'll get into that later, but like, I think that at that time I, and I was still kind of a go-getter even there. And I was really sad. And I had said, I need a break from Hollywood and moved to New York for a little bit. Um, so I moved away from LA and, uh, and I was like, well, I can't do this in New York. This is a whole different scene anyways. And, and I was too sad to do anything. And then survivor came and it was like a weird, miraculous thing. I had no idea what I was. I had, you know, they sent the DVD.

So I had an idea of what it was like and I knew it was real or I was like prepared for it to be real. I had no hopes that it wasn't. I wanted that experience. And that's what I got but also like the people experience that was crazy what was your casting week like did you notice some of the people that you were out there playing with did you have any connection or any eye contact with anybody uh I was not um like a reality person in fact i said no to them originally because i had been an actor and was still feeling like i'm gonna go back to it but i'm

so i don't want to be seen as a reality person so i that's my originally why i said no most people would just say yes to an adventure but i said no because of that and then they convinced me with the DVDs and uh that was Lynn um Spillman thanks Lynn you know like I love you hate you just kidding I mostly love I don't hate her at all you know she laughed one time because I said that that to everybody love you hate you all but but I don't I don't have hate for anybody not even the people I could have hate for anybody, not even the people I could have. And I sugar, I hope I got this right in casting. They had asked you who you thought you would like out there. And you actually said.

Right. Well, in the beginning, CBS, this is so crazy. In the very early CBS interview, we were there africa and they did it there before we were allowed to talk to each other so we had had a glimpse of each other like at eating situations we're just supposed to eat like scared each other and trying to size each other up and uh and it's so crazy because it's all documented um and i have it on my like uh tag my main um instagram one of my little tag things um this is i said suzy and i didn't know her name and bob i didn't know his name i said the man with the gentleman with the bow tie and he likes to draw in his little book and the spanish woman who has kids and wearing t-shirt with the kids on it.

I like her. I get a good vibe from both of those people. Now, I don't know if I'm psychic or if I'd already done it and got to do it again some weird metaphysical way. But for some reason, I named the other two people before we were all able to talk to each other. That ended up in the finale with me. I don't know. It's pretty good.

I don't know. I don't know. It's crazy. Am I okay? Yeah. Perfect. Keep it rolling sugar. Keep it rolling. Are we good? So sugar. So you were in Africa and you you know it was only after africa season three the only other time i guess they went back to africa was your season so i remember for my did i mess that up rob no you're right i that wasn't a no that was like i didn't even put that together yeah so i always put it together because then i'm like, I want to make sure, you know, I'm not in the first Africa.

So was it was that the wildlife and everything, the atmosphere and the environment just unbelievably amazing? It was cool. And I wish I had. I wish I had guilted Bob into that gorilla expedition, but I actually, at that time was, I wanted, uh, Crystal and Kenny to go on that thing because they had not done anything yet. And,

and then eventually we all ended up at that weird tribal, this, I would love to talk about the, there was, um, I'm not sure. It was like towards the end it was like um maddie and we're all in a group to get maddie and um what's that on me and guy okay corinne and

uh randy and then um oh my god who was it it's like there's five of us and bob kenny and charlie yeah so we went to on a thing which was the coolest thing the entire time that we were out there because it was the only time we actually got to you know connect with nature really uh the people that were there not nature we were in the nature um and they they they washed washed us and beat us with things this was a pre and they gave us clothes to wear which you know i love i was like yes because um it was before their their spiritual like i don't know how many times a year they did it but i think it was like once or twice maybe a year that they did this thing you don't you guys don't get to see a lot of this this was the most intense crazy you get to see us

watching the natives dance eating with the natives but I definitely know that they cut out the part where they you know they had us drink you know rice wine if we wanted of course we're money yeah cheers um but but they also gave us this powder that was like a drug that they would take you just yeah they're like lick it he doesn't like that this is a powder that we take you know they didn't say this but before their rituals where where they, the men, the men and the sons, the fathers and the sons go up to a hill. The women stay and pray the whole time. They take naps in between praying. They sing and dance and pray all night. And they have a setup in this like nice little cabana looking thing with like, you know, you know you like pretty little curtains and like beds and you know i don't

think any of them slept i was like i gotta go to sleep and right before i went to sleep i was like maddie because they were up all night singing and dancing and i and you see some of them talking just like this much i have no idea how much they worked on Maddie before that. But like, they're all covered in red paint. And they looked like the devils, devils, all covered in rediki and I see that, yeah, this was you, Corinne, Charlie, Randy and Maddie went to go to go to the village. Yes, but it was like it was like a special night. It wasn't like something they did for us. Like we were allowed to go then. like something they did for us like we were allowed to go then and i don't know how we were allowed to do that because that seems crazy they must have paid them a lot of money you know and uh and i wish i had stayed up and prayed and not slept with the and like taking little

naps with the women i wish i had done that actually but. But instead, I got high, drank the rice wine. I was scared of everybody and their red faces, and I just prayed a lot before I went to sleep. And, you know, I guess I could have done that with them. I did it in the little bed under the thing. I was worried. Like, I was really

worried they were going to, like, seduce Maddie in the middle of the night. I don't get to see any of that. So. Sugar, your recollection is so good. Did you ever go back? I know with the bone, did you ever go back and rewatch that whole season? I did, but it took years before I watched that season or the next token teens or, or even my other season. Like like i and then i watched them all

like i my husband was probably worried about me all right you watched all the survivor seasons or you watched all yeah no i went back and i watched everything wow you see everybody at places and i don't really completely like oh my god i have no idea who you are, but like, I try and keep up Rob. It's, you know, I only do this because happenstance in this, our life now, it's not, it's not something I would normally have kept up with. What made you go back and watch the first time? Uh, healing, I think. Your seasons. You're watching, you're watching yeah watching your season even other people's seasons are healing and then i was like okay i'm sure you know and i and i get messages from people who are you know

our people that come out and stuff and or they've read an article or whatever and they'll call me or or get a message you know i get messages a lot nice messages from fans like sweet messages like people just discovering and going through it and everything so i am not without love at all but like some of our plan um uh will sometimes contact me and be like hey this shit happened to me let me tell you and so it's not just me yeah is it weird for you because you know you went through this experience and it happened in the real time and then and then it was over but then at some point it started where then lots of new people started watching it for the first time. And so for so many people there, they just experienced your season like recently. Um, yeah, it, yeah. From the pandemic on, it's been like a really beautiful thing for me. It's really nice because I'm like getting, and I, and, um,

and I always really do want to help people. And one day, hopefully I get to do that. Maybe I already did. Maybe that's it, but I would like to help people more, but I think that, um, that was an accidental kind of beautiful. Have you watched since sugar? Are you still watching this? I have to, because I go to the parties. What do you think of the new stuff? I have to. You do? I have to because I go to the parties. Yes. What do you think of the new stuff? Um,

I mean, our, I feel like, uh, blessed, I guess, to be old school. Mm-hmm.

What happened? Oh, see Bert. Yeah. What happened? She agrees with youBird. Yeah. What happened? She agrees with you. I really agree. Are you the bell?

Were you the bell before you were T-Bird on the podcast? No, this bell came from Rob, but go ahead. I don't want to take you off. All right. I don't know who the bell is. We both have one. It's confusing. Yeah, it is confusing.

I feel like I should go running at my phone. Can I? If you want to. Okay. Think of really good questions. Okay. You're right. What should we ask Sugar next?

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Okay. Yes. What does your bell look like? Yours is a cute bell. Little smiley. Okay, where were we going? I wanted here what she had well we wanted to hear what uh sugar has to say about the new era new school i mean the new era new era okay well i like many of the people sure and making friends with many of them i just think um i don't know what uh do they get clean

water they don't have to boil i think they get clean water? They don't have to boil their water? I think they get clean water, yeah. It's just pissing me off a little bit. Yeah. Because I had parasites, because I came back with intestinal parasites. I guess I got rid of them, I don't know. Yeah. I think I took some medications.

Yeah. And the number of days, 26 days compared to 39 yeah where you have missed you were like hit the you practically did 26 days at exile island sugar was was survivor helpful to you because i know when you came off of heroes versus villains you had a challenging time was were they good i, I remember my experience. They were wonderful checking in. And I kept thinking, I don't know why you're checking in with me. I'm fine.

And not realize until I got six months, nine months out. Oh, yeah, I really wasn't as fine as I thought I was. Were they good with you with everything you went through, especially after Heroes versus Villains? Which one were you? Africa. The first one? The Which one were you? Africa. The third one. The third one. And what season number was that?

Three. So I was in Africa. I was the other one in Africa. And then you were in Africa. You were in season three? And Ethan won. Oh my God. You, I feel like you haven't even reached

and you fly around all the time and like how can you be getting enough sleep and still look like this you're so sweet you're so sweet you're also nuts though so much energy this is about you

she doesn't like it if you turn it around back on TV. She's amazing, right, Rob? She is amazing. I don't know what she makes, but not enough. Well, let's not get carried away, Sugar. Okay. We do want to talk some more about this. Hold on.

Sugar. So we talked with Janet Carbon a few weeks ago and she said she had a lot of PTSD for over up to a year so again I was just wondering with what you went through how Survivor was with you and and did you have a good experience with them helping you through it um here's the answer um i think i was a little bit i don't know how i passed the psych test that's why i always say i think they want us if you pass a psych test you're not in the show i think they don't want because i was very honest with my answers and i don't know how they let me on it because I was not in a good place to begin with then after the the aftermath of the first the I was very very

popular I was like super famous for like 10 minutes and then and then back to the old grind of auditioning and everything and it definitely didn't help at all. I was actually surprised when I did book stuff afterwards, like, you know, I did a few cool things afterwards and, but it was still, it just, it, I wasn't, I had already stopped. So I guess that second run was a, you know, a blessing from God anyways, but yeah, I already probably had PTSD from earlier trauma than I did you know and then half this and so I mean I've come a long way baby I'm I'm feeling so great now and I'm doing like well not doing but I'm getting very into the metaphysical stuff you know um like not not you know hugging trees but i should because i heard it

helps but like um all you know well i you know i've done a lot of stuff and i and i don't want my life to be over just because i did all the bullshit that i thought i was gonna do and i did it and then i realized i've already been doing this metaphysical physical stuff without realizing it. And now I am learning about it and understanding that this is like a real thing that other people do. And it's not just a bunch of hippies, although it is a bunch of Can you talk about what you're doing? I'm saying it's aliens, but it's aliens. Can you talk a little bit more about what you're doing? Oh, I'm not even, I mean like, well, like poverty is doing like yoga and that's basically a very

big part of that, you know, it's, uh, but I'm just learning about it and realizing that this is a thing that I already did and, and everything I've ever wanted has come true. And now I'm understanding that maybe that was just me wanting it and living a good life and getting it. You're manifesting. I've been manifesting. It's wild. It's crazy. And now I'm understanding that there's a cool club that I can be part of. That's you.

Sure. Do you think, this is what I'm understanding that there's a cool club that I can be part of. That's that too. Do you think this is what I'm curious about? Do you think when you went back the second time on heroes versus villains, do you think what was so difficult was you were still grieving your father, your daddy, or you played way too soon coming off one season, throwing back in another one, or because you played with friends, not strangers. None of them were my friends. I didn't know anybody but JT. JT is the person who said they would take care of me and didn't.

He was literally the person that said, oh, and I know why. And everybody else does too. That's Terry Bono. Who gives a shit? Let's not talk about JT. I hate him. All right. Let me ask you this too. That's Terry Bono. Who gives a shit? Let's not talk about JT. I hate him. Let me ask you this then. I don't hate him.

I forgive him too. Sugar, I thought I read that had you have stayed in the game longer on Heroes vs. Villains. You had some alliances, some pre-aligned alliances. You did? I mean, no.

Not a pre-game alliance. I just know that if I had made it. T-Bird knows all about pre-game alliances too. Oh no, I don't do that. I've never done that. I didn't do that. I didn't even realize that it was a thing until I saw it in front of my own eyes

from the first movie. So you just really, you only knew JT. I don't exactly know what I'm talking about. Like, don't you? You know who exactly I'm talking about? Whatever. Who? Um, nope. There were pregame alliances in Heroes vs.

Villains. Yes. Hmm. T-Bird, does that come across your research? No. I'm probably not on the internet. No, I just remember... Search the internet, T-Bird. I just remember thinking or reading that Sugar, because she knew JT ahead of time, and again, blessing in a curse.

Well, I knew him, but I didn't really know him. But when you grow out there to such a difficult, challenging game like that, you probably gravitate to who you know or who you recognize, which obviously messed up your game. Wouldn't you say? I was told by him that he would take care of me. Right. Okay. Be bored with things. by him that he would take care of me. Okay. But, um, I really should have like gotten to know everybody closer and really just picked who I liked. Like I did the first time because

that worked out. And in the second, he was in villains. I was literally, I just felt like shark Tom. And I knew I was going to be an early out anyway, because once we saw who was on the other team, I was like, Oh, cool. Most people I like are on the villains team. And I have no, I don't know much about these people. And I guess I didn't like, um, I guess I didn't kiss Rupert's ass enough. And like, maybe if I had done that and like, you know, I don't know. Well, okay. So sugar, what I could have done, but I felt like I was physically stronger than a couple of people. And that, uh, I just wasn't on my game. And I, and I thought I felt a little

bit protected blindly by someone who said they were going to protect me and I'll die. That'll be my dying breath. Just kidding. That's not the last thing I'm going to think about. I'll be like, I love you. I love you. You know, the actress in sugar at my funeral. So correct me if I'm wrong. You were there the day that Jeff Probst announced that Survivor 50 was going to be returning players, right? I was not there when he was there.

Oh, you were there that day. Okay. We were playing silly games with fans, and it was super fun. I was terrible at all the games. I was super hot and sweaty and dehydrated, and I was like, I should have passed for this. Okay. I didn't realize they were going to be here. But you did hear the news that Jeff

announced that night. Yes. I heard it on Instagram, probably on Lauren's thing the next day. Okay. So I guess first part of that, I'm sure T-Bird is curious to know, would you consider

going back to Survivor? To be definitely Shark Tom? No, thank you. Okay. All right. I just wanted to get that out of the way. People were probably curious. We do.

We do. But, Sugar, that I would love to know, you went and you played right before in season 17. Then you come back very soon after that to play in Heroes vs. Villains. Do you have advice for people who may have played in these last couple seasons that might not know what they're getting into for Survivor 50? They're going gonna bring all the old school shit back don't you rob i don't think that they're gonna bring that many people back from the old school jeff is from that question why that um i i my question was geared more towards people that have played recently and are gonna come back well that's what i'm saying like

are you saying that you think 50 they're to bring back all the old school stuff and make the little babies play? Oh, I don't think they're going to do that. No, I think it's going to be the same as what they've been doing. That's what they should do because everybody in the first old school are, you know, older. Yeah. More mature.

This is what they should do. Veterans. You have their number, Rob. Contact them. Yes. Okay. Sugar, can you say old school Survivor and see how they fare? Sugar, what do you think the theme

should be for Survivor 50? I'm sorry um i have not prepared i didn't even think of that possible question um well if we're doing uh well something to do with maybe what I just said. All right, sugar. I want to show you sugar. When you were on Gabon, you spent a lot of time at the sugar shack. So I was curious. I know fruit was fruit was plentiful. How much weight did you lose on Gabon for 39 days? Do you know?

In our camps? How much weight did you lose? Oh, 13 and a half pounds, which was the 13 and a half pounds I'd already gained from drinking too much after being super sad that my dad passed. So when I came off, I looked exactly like I had normally. When I came off, I looked exactly like I had normally. So me, it was never, you know, I was just like, oh. And then exactly as soon as I got off, I would go eat as much lobster and desserts and everything. And I was eating everybody else's leftovers.

My friends were concerned. They were like, are you on drugs? And I was like, no, I've been starving. I just want the rest of the dessert. I just ate so much. I gained it all back like that, like within a week and a half or two weeks. I don't think that's, I think that's pretty common. I don't think that's I think that's pretty common. So, Sugar, a really beautiful, beautiful part of the show was when they showed you and I believe it's your sister, Nadia.

It's your sister, Nadia, that came out to visit you. Rena, I'm going to I'm going to take some notes later after this so so when you had when you spread your dad's some of your dad's ashes in africa that was a beautiful beautiful moment and i would imagine it was for you as well yes and then i had not thought about how we put it right there where we gather our water because everybody's too lazy to go to the stream and uh you know i think we all drank my dad oh okay well i wasn't really going in that direction and that's what happened i don't hit the bell accident what happened that's kind of beautiful also where we gather our water nobody's walking a mile to the stream to get the fresher water and And, you know, I don't think...

So, Sugar, was it your sister that was with you? Yeah, my sister, Reena. Reena? Who's Nadia? I have no idea. She was on Survivor San Juan del Sur. That's Natalie's sister. Okay. So, Reena came out. Are you still close

with Reena? With your sister? Oh, my God. Yeah, I'm going to one of her daughter's weddings in September. We fly back. Louisiana. Louisiana. She's in Louisiana. Okay.

All right. And who do you still stay in touch with? Or if anybody on your season? A lot of people from many seasons. anybody on your season? Um, a lot of people from many students, but, uh, Bob,

Susie, Maddie. Um, I have talked with, um, many other people from our season. Oh, oh,

and Jackie and Ace. Oh, I, I try and stay in touch with them on the other people online, but these are people I've had conversations. Yeah. What about beyond Gabon? Who are the survivor people online, but these are people I've had conversations. Yeah. What about beyond Gabon? Who are the survivor people that,

uh, you talk to most regularly? Most regularly? Yeah. The most I talk to is probably Jackie and Bob. Okay. You know, but I,

I talk to them each every few months at least, you know, Maddie came over last year. Yeah, how is Maddie doing? I feel like Maddie is pretty off the grid. Oh, he hates Survivor. He has nothing to do with it. He got found in a Whole Foods by Lynn.

So he's never, you know, and he didn't grow into it like I did, like wanting to be a part of it or enjoying other people. He's missing out a lot, I think. But he's good. He's still he's still working out and being a he does he does yoga classes. You can find him online. Wow. Yeah.

Yeah. If you're in Malibu, you can go take his workout classes. OK. And sugar, were you really drawn toward, of course, Maddie? Because he felt like a brother to you. And then Bob, because he felt like a dad to you. So you

were kind of torn with your relationship with both of them during the game, weren't you? Yeah, completely. And I love them both immensely. And I mean, Maddie never, I was never physically attracted to Maddie. Like I always thought of him as like your brother, cause he seemed younger than me, even though we might've been the same age, but maybe he was younger. He just felt younger.

And, uh, and he was very California. So like, you know, we did connect and that way because like we have a lot of similar things that we like but um and and Bob you know I lost my dad so I and he was the old the thing is from the get-go Bob was like building things and teaching us how to do stuff so of course he was the dad figure and yeah it was it was really hard because I really saw myself during the game at the end of the game I decided I wanted to be Bob and Maddie and that's why I'm saying maybe I'm psychic because I never wanted and I love Susie but I didn't want her to be the top three with us even though I knew I'd lose either of the guys. But, but I don't know.

Like I said, that was the only option because she won that challenge. So like I couldn't choose. And so we did the fire thing. And, and I think that was, that was good. Boom's choice or the fire's choice or God's choice or whatever.

Like I knew that I couldn't vote for Maddie just cause I knew he'd already had a million dollars before and wasn't going to do much good with another million dollars. Do you not know that Maddie's from a very rich, like, no, I didn't know that. Yeah.

Yeah. Um, rich, like. No, I didn't know that. I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah, his great-grandfather is like a super huge, gigantic guy. He comes from money. And Bob had like three kids. So I, and I didn't want, and like, and I was close. Bob was on the other team. He wasn't like, you know, supposed to be. And at that time, Mattie was the closest to me. He wasn't supposed to be.

And at that time, Maddie was the closest to me. That's why I was a betrayal. But I knew that Maddie probably would have just done something bad with that. And Bob did great stuff with that. And made a yurturt business and you can go do survivor challenges at his place. Sometimes like, you know, he did a lot of fun and good thing. You know, he had three kids to take care of. Maddie had no responsibilities and that would have given him even less. And so that's why I was like, I can't make this. Oh God.

Hey Rob, this might be a good time for that clip. Okay. Hey, you know this guy? He looks familiar. Hey, Sugar. We miss you. How's Bunky doing? They asked me to

shoot you a little video. We haven't actually, I don't think we've seen you for four or five years. Next time we're out visiting David in L.A., we'll, Redondo Beach, we'll give you a call, take you out to supper. Bernie, stop scratching. Say hello to Sugar. Oh, surprise. Hey, Sugar.

I'm right behind Bob. Yeah, surprise Peggy. Listening to what he's doing. But both Bob and I have a soft spot in our heart for you, and we think of you often. And hopefully, next time we get out to California, we'll see you. All my best. Hey, love you, girl.

Bye bye now. All right. There you go. Well, you got it to happen. Sugar, you should have rung your bell on that one. Hit your bell. It doesn't work. Oh, sugar. your bell on that one. Hit your bell. It doesn't work. Oh.

Oh, sugar. What special people they are. I love them. Oh. What special people they are. Bob and Peggy are the best. I really do miss them. Like, he is

like a father, more kind of grandfather. Like, they're the grandparents i really never had yeah they're super sweet yeah and it when you see one you see the other what'd you say sugar sugar what'd you say It made her cry. Made her cry. Yeah. You know, Sugar, a lot of times people love Gabon. People talk about it. People rewatch it. Are you aware that people just really connect with that season? I do, actually.

I get a lot of, of messages. So I do know anybody who's lost someone in one to that season usually. Well, not everybody. I hope, I hope more than that, but like, you know, I get my, I get nice messages where, where they identified and it helped them and maybe even at the time that they needed help. But, um, which I really, thank God for that's really nice. Sorry. Super choked up right now. Um, yeah, I mean, it got a really bad rep for a long time. Yeah. Well, that's been like a nice thing. Somebody came off of it being a real nasty person and kept being nasty for

so long. And it kind of like, it like put a little shadow on our little season there, but in the end, good wins. And it did come out and people who watch that season actually do really appreciate it. Plus it's such a weird season.

Well, yeah, it's a very unusual season for sure. And it goes all over the place. It's very unpredictable in terms of how it turned out. A lot of people were saying that this most recent season of Survivor was similar to Gabon. Did you hear that at all? I mean, yeah, I won this last season. Didn't you see? Yeah.

I was like, finally, I won. Thank you. Somebody else that I think wants to say a little something to you. Rob. Hey, sugar. It's your say a little something to you, Rob. Hey, sugar. It's your girl. Probably your worst friend of me. Crystal, hopefully all is well. I hope all is well with you and your family. I see that your little girl is getting so big. You are still out here doing the thing. I am following you and tracking you on social media. You keep

doing big things. You take care and we'll be in touch soon. Take care. Bye-bye. Alright, there you go. You know what? I thought Crystal hated me. No, she said frenemy. I never thought of her as an enemy.

Sugar, I reached out to her and she immediately got back to me and said, yes, I absolutely out to her and she immediately Got back to me said yes I absolutely Want to say something to Sugar Well Crystal I love you She said some Things on podcast Before that I was like Here she like I thought

She would have my back I mean I probably do need A booger check right now Crystal I'm sorry Everything looks okay from this vantage I probably do need a booger check right now, Crystal. I'm sorry. Everything looks okay from this vantage point. All right. Sure. So now I want to ask, I know you have,

cause you keep putting your arms up. Super. My heart. So your tattoos. So I think you had several tattoos before Survivor. Okay. Right. So this is a Tina Wesson question.

She wants us to ask, how many tattoos did you get? Or if you got any after Survivor representing Survivor? I have a big one on my back, but I'm wearing a one-piece big bathing suit. Were you going swimming today or were you like in survivor apparel? Well, me, I'm having two of my friends and their daughters, who are my daughter's best friends,

come over. So, yes. And the reason that you don't hear Punky Jean is because she is bowling right now with one of my mom friends who offered. I said, well, you guys want to come swimming later? And she's like, yeah, we're going to go bowling. You have that podcast. And I was like, that's right. How did you remember that? Because I am I have like a wall calendar. I don't put things in my phone. And like, so glad to you were like messaged me. But I did. I don't put things in my phone. I'm like so glad T-Bird like messaged me.

But I did. I was going to remember. Yeah. So they're gone bowling. Because we were in a little bowling club thing. We like signed up for the bowl. All right. So Sugar, come back to me.

Come back to me. Your tattoo on your back. Is it from a survivor? Oh, okay. All right. Hold up. Hold up. Okay. There you go. is it from us is it a survivor oh okay all right hold up hold up okay there you go is it from survivor well it is oh my god i don't know if i could do like maybe we can take a break and i'd do it later it's like it's it's um well originally i had before i was sugar from survivor i was sugar theifties diner waitress and my first husband,

the one that convinced me to do the show. He did put sugar on my lower back before we realized it was called a tramp stamp. And then when that movie came out and I was like, no, why? Cause it says sugar. And it just looks like I'm a stripper named sugar, but I've never been a stripper. I played one in a movie, but I've never been like, this is not the thing I want. So instead now I have like a sailor Jerry. It's a, it's a, uh, pirate, um, pirate ship and a sailor Jerry blonde girl who topless.

So tits on my back. Yeah. Whatever. He's not flipping off the bird. Okay. I should have had that. That would have been iconic. Yeah.

Yeah. But you know what? I'm thinking about putting coconuts on it. Oh, I'm thinking about it. My husband says no. Then you'll regret that. You'll be like, why did I ever put those coconuts on?

You know, because like then it'll be iconic. If I make it to like 85 and grandma, great grandma sits on her back still. Sweet. I like it. T-Bird? I'm going to say, I'm going to jump off the tattoo and go over to Jeff Probst.

Sugar, give me one word to describe Jeff Probst. Go-getter. Oh. Okay, go-getter. You guys saw his audition reel, right? His what? I mean, I kind of

like him more after seeing that. What reel was it, Sugar? It was like his audition reel of his stuff he had hosted before to give to Mark. What's happening here? Sugar, do you think anybody

could replace Jeff Probst? Um, no. There are a few people I'd put in, like, you know, if they wanted us to give a name. No, no. When he dies, the show dies. Oh. Oh. So another 50

years it is. Yeah. Well, it'd be like 45 we could do it so who are some of the names you throw out there if probes didn't die but just decided he was gonna take some time off in cg i didn't mean to be dark you weren't dark sorry jeff i didn't mean that like that you're not watching them. Well, Lauren seems to be Lauren Ashley Buck seems to be

fabulous. She's kicking out. Right. OK. I love watching her. We all do.

She's like I like her. I'm like, these people sleep like, wow, so much energy.

Yeah. Guys are giving us a lot you know and we're not even paying for it I love it thank you yeah I met her down here in Atlanta she is a sweetheart I was on TV recently and very talented

what were you doing do you know that show clipped with Oda O'Neill and What were you doing? Do you know that show Clipped? With Oda O'Neill and Jackie Weaver And oh my god he played the main Well not the main dude Oh the LA Clippers show Oh Lauren Fishburne

Yeah Clipped I get to play Marilyn Monroe impersonator Weird It was like the strangest thing Because after I came back After years of not acting Then we had COVID And then we had

The Strike But right before The Strike At the very tail end of COVID Somehow I managed to book work So They showed me a few times but but i real close up real close up two close up sugar um so i see a lot of your stuff on this well i see all your stuff on instagram but i thought it was ironic that we're having you on um maryland and rose passing was what, August 5th?

Just a day or two, a couple of days ago. And I was so curious. I know you do a lot of parties and different things. Do you do more work impersonating Marilyn Monroe? Because that's what I think of you. I mean, you've got the look down completely. It's fabulous. So do you do more with that and then i'm curious what is the strangest weirdest oddest request you have done had done for somebody that wasn't a

marilyn monroe impersonator to come in um well i mean i've been doing it since i was 17 professionally my first uh impersonation was at 15 in like a school talent show. And then I've been doing it on and off in between TV work. And like, I thought I didn't never want to go back to Maryland, but like, it's really good money, believe it or not. Like everybody makes the same amount of money. I, I, I don't, I'm not saying i overcharge because i charge my worth so um i make three to five hundred dollars an hour to do that and it's not uh i don't do it

maybe what i do it like once a month usually if i get lucky i get to but i also am sugar and don't pay my bills or anything so So daddy lets me keep that money. Sugar. Did they ask you? He's seven months younger than me, people. And he's really gorgeous. Sugar. Did they ask you to do the Marilyn Monroe singing happy birthday to the president?

Have you gotten that request? Yeah. Okay. Can you give us, please? I mean, Rob, can you pay her three to $500 for this? A T-Bird. Oh, he's not paying. He can give it to you. I mean, Rob, can you pay her $300 to $500 for this? T-Bird. Oh, he's not paying. He can give it to you. You get it. Okay.

Wait, hold on. It's going to be big stuff. What? Rob, are you ready for this? I haven't said anything to any of this. Then we can get it. Okay. Here we go. All right. We're ready. Go. ready go happy birthday you're gonna do it

you're gonna sing whose birthday is that the president's you're doing the person okay yeah well actually my friend said i have a gig at the roosevelt saturday night my friend said you should you know do a video for a happy birthday Mrs. President. And I was like, oh my God, I should. Kamala Harris has the same birthday as me. What? Yeah. October 20th.

Okay. Hold on. That's very cool. Yeah, that is pretty cool. Hey, sure. Guess who I have? Wait, don't you have to say birthday of Snoop Dogg? You are? Don't you, Rob? Eddie's got to say birthday of Snoop Dogg.

A little competition there. Those are all famous October 20th birthdays. Do not distract Sugar right now. I want to see her Marilyn Monroe impersonation. It's Dustin Hoffman's birthday today. Dustin Hoffman?

Dustin Hoffman has the same birthday as you? No, Dustin Hoffman's birthday is today. Oh. Well, today is also like 8-8 2024, which is also 8-8. It's supposed to be some special thing for everybody. But also today, since you mentioned Maryland's Memorial the other day,

because they do it every year, this band called Maryland Remembered, in case you guys are Maryland fans, go join it. So we do a memorial every year. And today is the actual day. August 8th is when she was buried okay okay days after her whatever i think it's kind of interesting that we're doing this interview on the 8th how things come around hey so do you you know a lot about maryland monroe right i mean not as much as a lot of people that I do know.

All right, I just want to ask a couple of little trivia questions. Oh, okay. And then I'm going to hopefully see if she'll do the impersonation of the birthday song. Okay, so the first thing is the subway dress.

Okay, Sugar? Yeah. I'll just ask you, who purchased the subway dress the first person to purchase a subway dress let's see about nine years after marilyn monroe's death in 1971 i am going to guess um oh i'm blanking on her name even though she's doing more good Princess Leia's mother I can't remember that's right

Debbie Reynolds that's right yes they're famous enough so I don't have to say the name I can just be like that sugar how much did she purchase it for oh that's tough. T-Burn.

No, it's not. Sugar's got this. Remember, how much? It was back in 1971. Debbie Reynolds purchased it. I'm going to say, oh, I have a few numbers in my head. Thirty two thousand. I want to say sixty five thousand.

You're going to believe this. Two hundred dollars. Oh, two hundred dollars. 65 000 you're gonna believe this 200 shut the fuck up 200 now after she sold it after that for i don't even know how much but 200 isn't that crazy i know yeah i actually do i have some i have elizabeth taylor and um oh god i have a few up there. I have like six or seven famous people's clothing, but they're not like special ones from certain, like from things. It's just like, I do love Julian's auctions.

And I do have a Betty White. That's the one I paid the most for, a Betty White jacket. Oh, wow. Yeah. I'll wear it one day on like a carpet or something. So this is my last Marilynaryland road question i think because i was fascinated with her just because of all the stuff you've done

with her and as her um how many hours did it take to film the subway scene and how many takes did they have well they they filmed it in la they actually filmed it on the soundstage in la but they did go to new york to do that in front of like a live crowd which also very much upset joe dimaggio and was part of the downfall of their relationship but um i'm sure there are many factors involved but uh i um well they didn't have to film the scene in new york so well i mean i think it took about six or seven hours but i don't think that they were actually you know filming the whole time it was right i was at the corner of lexington avenue and 52nd Street in Manhattan. And if this is accurate, who knows?

Three hours with 14 takes. Three hours with 14 takes, which doesn't really seem like very many. Oh. Actually. But anyway. Maybe they didn't include like the crowd gathering and then participating. Exactly. Very true. Yeah. That wasn't even a scene that they needed to film

yeah it's just like for fun they could have they could have they had already done it they re they redid it and then it was mostly for publicity sugar do you feel like you should have been born in a different era like the 50 50s? I used to think that. But now I'm just very happy that I am where I am, even though technology scares the crap out of me. And like it's I am one of those old people that have seen. I mean, no offense to everybody because we're not really old, but like seen. And then they said the same thing. The older people, when I was growing up before we even had cell seen and then they said the same thing the older people when i was growing up before we even had cell phones they were saying the same thing tv and

you know everything that came up during their time period but wow we're moving fast it's a little scary like especially how kids are on the internet and instagram and and stuff all the time. And like, they feel like that's a, they need that, um, the likes, or they need that love from people they don't even know. And then fame and these people, internet people, they're all fickle. It's like really not important to do that. Please focus your lives on the people that you love, what you want to do, who you are and do that stuff. Don't focus on like likes or or trying to, you know, I'm I've never done anything. And when I was dating David Faustino, he asked me if I wanted him to buy me likes. Wow. And I said, no, that's right.

You've worked with no oh yes of course but dated so many people i watched on tv growing up but uh it was weird when i worked with ed o'neill that was an accident because my hand was right um and yeah when i worked with ed o'neill that was like hey i was like i dated dave and like and in the one day that we really talked the first time we really talked um it was while uh christina applegate was doing her uh star yeah on hollywood boulevard and you know she's sick and everything and so we talked about that but he wasn't able to go cause he was filming and I was like, nah, they would have shot her out to you, whatever. So he was on set instead of there, but he would have liked to be there.

Sugar. I think this is a great place for us to, to stop. I love that you, I mean, your social media is so positive, so energetic. And like you said, I think there's a lot of negativity that comes out, but yours is certainly just the opposite. So, you know, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for all that. Thank you so much for being with us. I've been wanting to talk to you for so long.

I know you want to get to your pool party. Oh, they're not in the back yet. I'm good. But I will let you sign me out. I was so happy that you wanted to come on and talk with us that a T-Bird was saying like, we should get sugar. I'm like, I don't know. I don't know if sugar is going to want to talk and do, uh, an interview. And I'm so happy that you did. You guys didn't even ask me about the things I didn't want to talk about. And so thank you. You guys didn't even ask me about the things I didn't want to talk about And so thank you Well

You know what I mean Yeah But no I'm really happy that you had a good experience And that's really you know what we hope that you know these episodes are Right I was very scared I did say to her I don't like doing podcasts

I don't I mean because I'm very truthful And sometimes I'm too truthful and it's weird to people. And I really don't want to be called weird lately. I'm out of that group. I loved it before. Now I don't like it. No more weird. Okay.

This is the word. Sugar, this is the word. I'm definitely in the other group. Sugar, the word or the phrase that i have for you is you're you're beautifully eccentric thank you oh i do like it you are you're beautifully eccentric and you're you're positive and and do you want to tell us where i know you're on social media and i know you do cameos do you want to tell all your fans tell us where they can find you

I'm Kiper wait don't that's my email never mind don't give that out I'm at sugar Kiper okay and you do cameos

and you do cameos right cameos hey sugar okay so now give us a little And you do cameos. And you do cameos, right? You do cameos. People can find you doing that. Hey, Sugar. Okay, so now, give us a little close out. Happy birthday to the president, Marilyn Monroe. Go. Happy birthday to you.

Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday Mrs. President. Happy birthday to you. Fantastic! Beautiful! Happy birthday to you. Fantastic. Beautiful.

Thank you. Thank you, Sugar. Thank you so much, Sugar. All right. There you have it. Sugar Kuiper. T-Bird. That was a very fun one.

Like I said, beautifully eccentric. She really is i think i what i really uh enjoy about sugar is that um she's gonna she's gonna say what she's feeling and you don't always get that in the reality tv world some people are gonna be you know you know fake and phony and that's not sugar no sugar is not fake and phony at all. And for anybody not following Sugar on Instagram, her post and all of her things are so uplifting and just she's a really fun person. So I've been wanting to have her on for quite some time.

So I hope all of her fans, which I know she's got a lot, would enjoy. And we appreciate her being here and taking the chance to come on with us i think it turned out great all right t-bird people can keep up with the all of the talking with t-birds when you go to rob's website at com slash t-bird feed what else is coming up for you besides big brother tonight yeah but i won't be able to watch big brother nobody spoiled t-bird on big brother yeah don't spoil me on Big Brother tonight.

I don't know what's going to happen, but I think it's got something to do with Tucker. Not sure. But wish me luck. I'm telling you, this has been the summer of crazy summer travel, the IT glitch, Hurricane Little Debbie. Hurricane Little Debbie. Yep. It's making landfall, so get out of the summer

and then Survivor next month. I know. Coming up, T-Bird, we a little uh less than a month away from survivor 47 if you can believe it so when will the cast be introduced uh tbd okay tbd okay so are you more busy so you're then that's when you really pick up with being busy right well it'll be busy because we'll have a little overlap with Survivor and Big Brother, for sure. Yeah, okay. Almost like a month, yeah. Oh, you're going to be super busy. Super busy, but look, this is the great, you know,

pleasure of my career is to get to do this. So I'm not going to complain. Not just the day and job security. Yes, appreciate that too. And then one more thing I want to know know how does taryn round the clock is he like watching live feeds around the clock and how does he do all this look t-bird he's a robot that's what they say he's a robot all right well t-bird anything else no all right thank you so much for joining us. Take care, everybody. We got some more good talking with Teeper.

It's coming up this summer. So make sure you stay tuned. Hit that subscribe button. Take care of a good one. Bye. Bye. If you stay here and listen, your life won't ever be the same. Cause we're talking with T-Bird now. This T-Bird you cannot change.

Oh, and things might get pretty strange Thank you.