RHAP: We Know Survivor - Talking with T-Bird: Zoe Zanidakis

Episode Date: September 10, 2024

Zoe Zanadakis shares her unique Survivor: Marquesas journey with hosts Rob Cesternino and T-Bird Cooper in this engaging Talkin' with T-Bird episode

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Oh This T-Bird you cannot change And things might get pretty strange Yes, we're back. Talking with T-Bird is ready to go here. And we're back here with the woman who rounds up all the survivors you want to hear from. She's got a good one on the hook for you today. Zoe Zanadakis.

Zanadakis. Yes, here she is, of course. Our queen, T-Bird Cooper. T-Bird, how are you? Hi, Rob. So many bells. I'm good. I'm great.

I'm excited about Zoe. I have worked on trying to get Zoe. You know, this is our fifth season. You're reeled in one for a long time. Yep. Yes. Oh, I like the t-shirt Rob, by the way. Yeah. Old school t-shirt. Uh, yep. For starting an old school gas. Yep. Work hard, play hard. That's me. So Rob, I've been working on Zoe for quite a few years now.

And last year I thought I had her, I thought I had snagged her in the fishing boat captain. And then I sent her Christine Shields. She wanted me to send her, you know, what'd she say? Nope. Pass. Cause Zoe doesn't watch survivor. She really, she didn't watch it before. She't really familiar so she doesn't do podcasts or interviews and so i sent her christine shields because rob i was trying to figure which one of these podcasts should i podcast should i send her where it doesn't scare her away yeah okay it doesn't do this so i sent her christine shields and then she got back with me and she was she was so sweet she goes you know what t-? Life is just really hectic right now.

And I'm like, oh, man. So this year we got her and I know that all of her fans are going to be so excited to hear from her. Okay. All right. Well, very exciting. Good job there, T-Bird. And congratulations are in order for you, T-Bird, because T-Bird was one of the 20 people and 10 women that there was a little thing.

Mike Bloom was super busy all summer. And Mike Bloom, every day, did a podcast. And he said, okay, who should come back from each season of Survivor? And then, after Mike Bloom got all done, there was a vote. And they got it down to 50 people. Who do you want to come back for Survivor 50? And then from the 50 people, they got it down to 20 people that were voted.

And Mike Bloom recently revealed the results of the 20 people voted by the fans who they want to see come back for Survivor 50. And of course, Teresa T. Bird Cooper. One of the 20. Congratulations. Thank you, Rob. And you were one of the 10. Well, people were here to talk about you, okay?

Okay, well, congrats to you. And Rob, I mean, I'm emotional just hearing you talk about that because when it came out, I actually was very emotional because that was a big deal. And it's very deserved. It's very deserved. And I think that, um,

now I didn't vote T-Bird, but I would have voted for you. Thank you, Rob. Yes. Uh, but I think that people feel like, okay,

T-Bird, they should have brought her back in the first place. Uh, they wanted to right or wrong from the second chances. Uh, they see how see how much, how active you are in the survivor community, bringing people,

talking with T-Bird, how you're so, such a hard worker, both in your professional life, but also tracking down all these survivors. So T-Bird, we would be blessed to see you play Survivor 50. Rob,

thank you. If it happens, I would be, I would love it more than anything if it doesn't happen that i've got to do all these amazing things in the last 23 years because of survivor and the and just doing this the talking with t-bird has been just such a blessing so thank you it's a win-win either way either i i i feel you uh 155,000%. It's totally, I get it, T-Bird.

But I'm so happy to see people recognize the greatness of T-Bird. Thank you, Rob. Oh, that's so kind. Thank you, Rob. T-Bird. Okay. All right. So we've got a good one here today.

Are you ready for Zoe? Yes. All right. Is Zoe ready for Zoe? Yes. All right. Zoe ready for us. Zoe ready for us. We'll find out. Okay. All right,

let's go ahead. Let's bring in Zoe Zanadakis. Our guest today played on the fourth season of Survivor, Survivor Marquesas. This then 35 year old said she applied because of a dare from a local Islander. She said she thought it would also broaden her horizons after growing up in such a remote area with only a one-room school, kerosene, and gas lights. A small fishing community

of only 60 people, 12 miles off the coast of Maine, Monhegan Island. She had never watched Survivor, but she figured she wouldn't have any problem surviving because she had spent most of her life outdoors. Nicknamed the Lobster Lady, she had been a commercial lobster fisherman for 17 years and a charter boat captain. Even though she did not work out in a gym, lifting lobster traps gave her an edge with her strength. To prepare, she read a few books that Mark Burnett had written, and one he suggested was about a young sailor who visits Nuka Hiba. As far as the videos, the only season she was able to find was the best of tapes from the first Survivor season, which she said, quote, didn't give me a real clear picture as to

what the Alliance did for you, end quote. She was placed on the Row 2 tribe, which would become the dominant tribe. They won the first three immunity challenges, but on day 10, she would find herself in a tribe switch. After this tribe switch, she would become part of the Road to Four. The remaining players formed a counter alliance, but she would then betray her alliance, which would begin the first ever breakdown of a dominant tribe. She said she tried to adapt. Quote, my only strategy was kind of going about my business the way I do it. I was just doing my thing out there and exploring and diving and looking for food, end quote. She tried to fit in even making shell jewelry for her tribe, but slowly she began letting her alliance know in little ways that

she no longer was part of an alliance and had no intention of sticking with them. Quote, they weren't people I trusted from the get-go and I'm kind of off on my own, end quote. She would make it to day 27 and become the second jury member. She said there was a lot of politics in the game and she played being true to herself, strength and honor. Quote, this alliance thing, boy, didn't it just get in the way? I didn't take it as seriously as they did. End quote. I introduced the woman, proud of the fact that she stood alone and wasn't really a part of an alliance, an independent, strong, outspoken woman with the work hard, play hard attitude whose mantra is, quote, love what you do, have a passion and live it, end quote. Who says she is always flying by the seat of her pants?

Zoe Zanadakis. Wow. Wow. Zoe, I'm almost emotional as crazy as this sounds, Rob. I'm almost emotional as crazy as this sounds, Rob. I have wanted this beautiful woman for so many years and I am thrilled that we have her today. Thank you. T-Bird is choked up today. I am. I'm choked up. This is crazy.

Did you realize the effect that you have on people? I guess not. No, I don't i i uh that was really uh well put t-bird everything you said and and thank you for your kind words and um a kind honest words yeah zoe if you were listening to the podcast version of this zoe uh is it's just a beaming and and glowing. Zoe, you look, I said before we jumped on, you look great. You seem so happy. Well, I'm outdoors working. I like to work outdoors whenever possible. And Maine has four seasons.

So, you know, if I'm not working outdoors here, I'm in Fort Lauderdale working. Nice. What are you currently working on? What are you doing these days? Well, at the moment, I'm on Higgin Island and there's a tuna season that's going on now. So I've been doing a little bit of tuna fishing with my old apprentice captain. I'm running his mate and we caught a tuna fish early June and we were just out trying to catch one the other day. But when I'm not out there doing that, I'm painting and doing some stuff where I'm standing now on a porch out at Dead Man's Cove on Monhegan Island. I'm painting some house trim. I work for my brother and his business here, Monhegan Restorations.

And wow, always always rebuild and do out here. It's great to work outdoors. Do you have more than 60 people now on the island? Well, in the summertime, yes. But in the wintertime, actually, the population has dropped quite a bit because when I went to school here, there were 13 kids. Now there's only like two or three kids in school.

So it's probably more like down to, I don't know, 50? Tell me about this island. So this is a small island and this is where you live, Zoe? It's where I grew up, where I spent the first 40 years of my life. And my mom's family's lived here for a long, long time. It's a small fishing community. Yeah. In the, in the winter time.

And then in the summertime, the population grows to maybe 500 during the day when the, when the ferry boats come from the mainland out to the island and people come out and walk the island day trip. It's the, the island is very small. It's smaller than Central Park. It's only a mile long by a mile and a half. Do you know everybody's name that's on the island? All of the people that live here year round, but not all of the guests.

What if somebody moves? Does everybody have to have like sort of like a, hold on, we don't know. Like, could we vet these people a little bit? Well, you have to have a warm house, you know, so you don't move too much. But yeah, there are some people, you know, sell their home and they'll, other people move to the island and they become part of the community. And it's a great place to grow up. But after 40 years here, I needed to, or 35 years when I did Survivor a

while ago. Yeah, it was good to get off and see the world. I bet they love having you back for the summers. Yeah, my brother certainly loves it. And it is nice to see people that I've grown up with and have known or have known me since I was a very little girl. And Zoe, it seems like when you move since Survivor, you're always around water. I mean, you're in LA. Oh, yeah. You're in Fort Lauderdale, but didn't you go to spend a lot of time in Australia as well? I was older when I went there and I had to get a work visa, which was because I was older and I did. I was in the Coffs Harbor area, which is part of New South Wales, Australia. Very a really beautiful, beautiful spot.

And I worked a lot outdoors there, campfire cooking and and just doing all sorts of outdoor jobs with my work visa. I didn't do this. I didn't do any work in Australia without a work visa because they're very strict on their immigration laws. So Zoe, you have this super interesting background. How did you then get involved with Survivor at sort of the peak of its popularity? How did you end up crossing paths with them? Like the program? Yeah, getting involved with it. How did you go from minding your own business to then being out in the Marquesa?

Wow, that's a very good question because Survivor was not, you couldn't watch Survivor on Monhegan Island because the, you couldn't get CBS for some reason, if you didn't have a satellite dish and not many people had, nobody had a satellite dish. So one of my, um, captains who I did my apprenticeship with, he got a satellite dish and we were able to watch or he was able to watch the program and people would go over to his house. But back to your question, as I digress in conversation here. Sorry about that. You're good. My friend Barbara Hitchcock said, you know, I somebody told me about the show and I said, it sounds interesting. And she sort of dared me to do it.

And she ran one of the or runs one of the businesses out here, the Black Duck. And it's a little gift shop and coffee shop. And and I go to her for advice. She you know, I grew up with her. She's a little older than I was. And she said, you know, like, if you want to get out and see the world, well, do something different. So Survivor was certainly something different. Yeah.

And so, oh, paper, perfect, perfect. But when you went out there, I guess you didn't realize that the alliance or the camaraderie or no man is an island was an important way to go about it. I know. Well, you know, on living growing up on Monhegan, you want to be independent in your own self, but you work with a community. And I mean, I have alliances, we'll say on the island or relationships with people like my fishing community when I was fishing out here. But I guess, um, I, I don't know. It was sort of like, it was very different. Um, the Alliance, the way it all formed on, on Survivor. And I, I, I wasn't sure where to go at times. But also that you all had not even seen that much survivor i know you said you only watched the best of dvds but i'm pretty sure so you all went and filmed your season uh like shortly after 9-11 right yes we they almost didn't have the program right right because we

were in the city and you know it was flights and things like that. And the Marquesas is a stretch to get there. Yes. And you had not even seen T-Bird season, which I think started running maybe the first episode. No, I hadn't. I would have liked to have seen the whole season. And I still haven't yet. But I got I went on to a website internet is very spotty out here so sometimes you get things I'm lucky that we're having this conversation now yeah so you all didn't even have that much to work with in terms of like what you knew coming into

uh the fourth season of Survivor no I didn't um and I would. It did. I should have. I should have tried to be more, you know, to learn more about it. Yeah. So I just realized this. I have to tell you this. I was actually was going to be on the fourth season, your season. was going to be on the fourth season, your season. Oh, wow. Yes. When they, I sent in an application for the second one and then they called me for the third one, but then they called me during the third, the process and said,

we're going to hold you till the fourth one. I could have been out there with you and I can tell you right now, I would have driven you back crazy. Don't you think, Rob? It's possible. It's possible, Zoe. Zoe's been like, uh-uh. Too much.

Well, I like to work with a lot of people. You know, everybody has their strengths and weaknesses. T-Bird's a hard worker, for sure. I can tell. I'm not sure that she might be too much of a talker for you, Zoe.

Yeah. I do like, you know, a little serenity sometimes, but talk, that's what it's all about. I mean, I learned that with Survivor and I, you know, you got to express yourself in an honest way. And then I don't know, but sometimes I, I guess I didn't like some of the undercurrent that was sort of part of it all. Yeah. Well, what do you mean the undercurrent, the, the social politics, the game, the game, what, what was it? The, the, you didn't like, uh, how, how it was part of the show. Uh, let me see here. Let me try to explain this better. No, I guess I was overthinking it. Maybe, you know, like there's, you know, thinking about I should have just maybe I wasn't present enough. sense where you're, you know, they haul you off to do a little interview and then, and then you go back and then everything changes, you know, like after you've had this interview with, um, the camera people and you're like, Oh, and then you get this feel that, uh, something's going on

and nobody wants to talk to you or everybody wants to talk to you. And, um, it was just, it was just, it was hard to sort of navigate that for me. I'm pretty straightforward if I don't, you know, so I'll just say something and maybe, you know, I should be a little bit. Yeah. Zoe, did you go into it thinking you could win and did you want to win? Are you just, did you just want the experience? Did you go into it thinking you could win and did you want to win or you just did you just want the experience did you go into it thinking that way I guess I didn't even know initially that it was all about um you know you'd win a prize or you know a monetary prize and then figure that out. And I did, I did want to win,

but I guess for me, it was initially more about the experience. And when, then when I got it figured out a little bit more, I was already out the door, you know, and on the jury. So, um, yeah, the, you know, you got to go in there and want to win. But you also, for me, I had to be, I don't know, true to myself and not stepping on people's toes, I guess. Zoe, from everything that I understand about Survivor of Marquesas, it was one of the hardest seasons physically. But you're somebody who's used to maybe being in some like unforgiving environments. Did you find Marquesas to be, uh, a absolutely, uh, incredibly difficult place to, uh, experience 27 days? No, not really. It was kind of nice. Cause I hear about the bugs, the, the no-nos and we had no food yeah yeah you

really there was some control like you really had to control and the beach had uh too much coral oh yeah there was that too and you know trying to and i was always wanting to be in the water looking for the troka shells looking for the foodka shells, looking for the food in the trees, looking for things with Nalia and we're climbing and, you know, I don't know, it was, uh, or looking for firewood, you know, we had to have enough, we had to boil water all the time. We had to, the taro root, we had to boil that because it wasn't a cultivated taro root. So it was very fibrous, um, to eat it. And that was like our only starch you know we were told that you know we're not giving you any food on this and i was like okay well we'll figure it out they you know they let us know that there were things available to eat

out there in the woods or in the ocean and you know we just had to go look for them yeah and i was i was like trying to motivate people to go look for things. Yeah. And I was, I was like trying to motivate people to go look for things. And sometimes people wanted to do that. And sometimes people didn't. So you just kind of, I just like to eat. Yeah, I do too. So bad. Yeah. The bugs were bad. And you just, um, the lady on the other team, I've unfortunately forgotten her name, but she was scratching a lot. And it really, um, yeah, you can't Sarah. Oh my God, Sarah. Yes. Yes. Beautiful Sarah. Yeah. She was eaten up. Oh, she was eaten up. I mean, we all were, but if you, if you could, can somehow,

I don't know, not scratch. So when you, when you got back, when you got back and you watched it, and I think I read that you had a couple of people, three or four people ended up getting satellites to watch you on the show. When you watched it or did you watch it, did you have a different feeling for Tammy and the general? Did you trust them more once you watched it back or not yeah you know I think maybe I didn't give Tammy enough chance and maybe she was just totally on her game you know like she was just so serious and um I wasn't I don't know

I wasn't that serious so I was maybe at that point where I wasn't, you know, saying, Hey, this is if, you know, this could be something and you could win here. And I was a more on, you know, on safari. So, um, and the general, I don't know, I always got along with him. Um, you know, Boston Rob, sometimes I could have felt like, you know boston rob sometimes i could have felt like you know giving him a few bops you know knuckle sandwiches but um when i look back at it yeah i mean tammy was a hot ticket she knew what she wanted and she was going for it so that was yeah. Yeah. Zoe, so in the show, it's really presented like, OK, the row two four is this group that they are sort of like rock solid. That's they're going to the end. Was that how it was in the real life or did that get sort of played up by the show?

No, it was crazy. We won like the first seven. Like, I don't know, kept winning um the uh challenges yeah like we were like just inherently forming um that alliance that was so important and you know i like when we all came together to um, we were great, I thought. I don't think it was played up. It's hard to say with the editing. But yeah, I felt that, that we were very strong.

You knew something was going to happen. They were going to break that up. So, I mean, you know, behind the scenes. So, Rob, you know, Rob, we know the three others that were with her, John and Tammy and the general. And for me thinking now, the four of y'all, I think would have been true to each other all the way. Don't you think, Rob, knowing these three other players?

I can't imagine anybody straying off. So I'm wondering. Yeah, well, I guess the push-pull was, you know, how much did certain people have like allegiances to Pascal and Aaliyah and to Kathy? And how much did the individual row two, four members want to bring those other people along? Do you think anybody would have been tempted

to go outside the row two four if it got down to it? I think Lee and Pascal were pretty tight. But would anybody from the four want to bring them in? Like, come on, we got to keep Pascal. I mean, Pascal was great. I do remember, though, him

collapsing in my arms. He was very dehydrated. At the jury? At Ponderosa or in the game? This was like, we were waiting to do something and we were in line, lined up and he just he he collapsed

and he had to be taken away for a while and you know get fixed up right yeah he was very i can't exactly or maybe it was a jury i don't know it's there's a part where he he gets uh he draws the rock and he goes and he's out of the game. And then the next night he's not at the tribal council because, and they, and John like gives the update on Pascal, you know, he needed to get some fluids and then he comes back for the final tribal council. Yes. Yes.

I'm sorry. I think I got away from your previous question. No, that's no problem this is a long time ago Zoe yes I'm getting older and my memory's getting a little less next time I'm going to be like

Vesepia and bring the journal that would be the smart thing to do yeah I mean she was able to go back and then look things up. Uh, you know, that was like proved to be like, uh, you know, a great tool that she was able to have. Yeah. And it's kind of nice to be able, I mean, even now every day, like when I would lobster fishing, you write down things, different fishing grounds and you know your catch I mean

I write down little old school I do it in a you know like a notebook or a calendar so it's always good to have write stuff down Zoe so did you watch it when it came on I did when I had time because when I got back at the end of December, I started lobster fishing, though my season had started in the beginning of December. And because it's a very tight season fishery, only six months, really only two of those months are very productive when you first start out. And sometimes it's only one, one month, like you get the month of December and you get good fishing. And then the water temperature gets colder as the season goes on. And so the fishing just drops off to like nothing. So when I got

back, I had my crew and everybody waiting and, and we went out, but the fishing wasn't that good. So it was kind of, it was kind of tough, but, you know, we survived. Zoe, are you telling me when your season aired, sometimes you'd watch it and sometimes you wouldn't? Yeah, well, because I didn't have a satellite dish, so I would have to get up and go visit Don Cundy or whoever else had a satellite dish because i i didn't get you know i got the local yeah i just didn't but they could tape it for you right excuse me they could tape it right

on the vcr uh i mean i haven't seen the entire show i guess on on tape but not not like when it's just after it came out like at some point yeah friends and they'd be like oh let's have a survivor party and and i'd watch an episode with them and yeah you know of so do you think it's weird that people watch it now that people are like you know you couldn't watch you were on it you think it's weird that people watch it now? That people are like, you know, you couldn't watch it. You were on it. You missed it. You couldn't watch it. Now there are people, it's what, 22 years later?

And that people are watching it today, Zoe. It's amazing. It truly is. I was so, just I couldn't believe that it's like held on for so long. I mean, I do because it's very popular and, you know, it's a great idea to, you know, you go to this wild place somewhere out in the middle of nowhere. And and, you know, you throw these people on a rock and tell them to to, you know, live or in Africa or in Bor Africa or in Borneo or all of the different places that they go. It's such a cool program. So it's a new year.

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slash Rob Pod. So Rob, we can tell Zoe stuff she has no idea about. She doesn't even know. So Zoe, you were voted out on day 27, right? Guess how long the show is now. Do you know? No, I don't. It's not 39 days anymore. Oh, no? I'll break it to her.

Zoe, you're not going to believe this. It's 26 days, the whole show. Oh, really? They have the winner on day 26. Oh, you would have won the season. Oh! Or you've been in the end. You'd make it to the final tribal council.

Oh, that was... The final tribal council in Madison Square Garden was... Oh, my gosh. That was crazy. Yes. That was amazing. Yeah. Hold on.

Well, T-Bird, I think you might have, do you have more fun facts for Zoe? Well, I was going to say, did you know that little kid you were out there with that had the mouthy mouth, Boston Rob? Do you know how many times boston robb has played how many times has boston robb well didn't he like get married on the show and and his wife like i just hear he's out there and actually i went to a pizza place somewhere in massachusetts and i met his brother oh yeah this was like not too far. Like this was maybe, I don't know, eight months after being on survivor, I was traveling somewhere to do something done and like, and he recognized me and he comes over and I said, Oh my God, you look,

I mean, you didn't look exactly like his. Yeah. So again, Zoe, how many times for Boston Rob? Four, maybe. He's played five. Oh, my gosh. Played five times. And he was on and on. And there was another season that he didn't play, but they just built a statue of him and he gave people he coached people. Oh, OK. I think I saw some of those and I really know what was going on there. Yeah. He married a young lady that he competed with. Yeah. And then one.

And then they had kids. I hope they're still married. I think the order is that he was on the show. She won. They were on the show. He proposed. She won. Then they got married.

Yeah. Oh, that is so cool. They have four kids and one of them can drive now. That's, I mean, that doesn't even seem possible. My son's 38 now and I'm like, oh my gosh. Yeah. I'm actually a grandmother. Yeah, she is a grandma.

She's got a little baby girl. Congratulations, Zoe. Thank you. It's so cool to know all these things. So Zoe, maybe you should have taken some lessons from Boston Rob since he was later on to know all these things. Maybe you should have taken some lessons from Boston Rob since he was later on given all kinds of feedback. And well, maybe,

but maybe Zoe taught Boston Rob everything he knows. Yeah. Lessons from T-Bird. Yeah. I mean, he might be good on the ship, Zoe. He's very handy.

Yeah. You could use him on the island. He fixes up celebrities' homes sometimes. Does he? That would be cool. Yeah. My brother needs help. I mean, he...

I think he'd get along well with my brother, too. Yeah. Are you still recognized when you're in L.A. or when you're in Fort Lauderdale? Are you still... I mean, you look exactly the same you have to be recognized sometimes I'll you know especially people coming out here because like I'm on Monhegan that's where I grew up spent you know the first 40 years of my life and I mean you put Monhegan Island on the map Zoe let's be real oh no come on before I ever got here

hey Zoe did you know and I'm sure you did that your season was supposed to be in Jordan really I did not you didn't wow that would have been very different because the Marquesas was no water there, right? No water. You would have been out of your element, Zoe. I do like the woods, though. I mean, and like, but Jordan? Wow. And Zoe, they were going to have y'all riding in with camels.

Camels? No way. Way. What do you think about that? Well, I love horses um you know camels just a little different you know a little look there but i um i certainly enjoyed the marquesas it was a very special spot and i'd love to go back there just on a you know some travel yeah so zoe you mentioned your uh big finale for survivor marquesas uh big outdoor finale uh with rosie o'donnell and what what was uh that night like um the thing with rosie was i thought that was on a set.

Hmm. I thought you guys were at the skating rink at Central Park. No, I think we were at the woman rink. No, I thought we were at Madison Square Garden. I don't know. Wherever you were, it was a great night. It was. Oh, my God. Rosie gave you a car.

Rosie gave us a car that was outstanding. And my son was getting, you know, he needed it was getting the time where he needed a ride. So and, you know, he'd saved up his money to purchase a car. So this way you could put that money towards college. So you gave him the Saturn view. I ended up trading it in, I think, for something else because it's in Maine. It was in a really good car for Maine because it was heavy enough. Yeah.

OK. I don't know whatever happened to it. But and then there was uh david letterman you got to be downstairs in the deli that was so cool and then i visited new york i don't know uh like a year later and they had a zoe sandwich or something you know beans in it or something i don't know it's really cool yeah any fun stories that you can remember from that finale night? Oh, behind the scenes. at this place. And, you know, we're all like, we're all looking so glamorous and walking on the carpet. And it was like to think that we were all on this island and, you know, our hair was dirty and we had hair under our arms and hair and, you know, wherever.

Wherever. Right. We don't need to know. Right. No, we don't need to know. That's too much information. Zoe, have you stayed in touch with anybody from your season well i did um initially like nalia i brought a bunch of lobsters down there and it was a bunch of people and we all got together um i think some other survivor people came gina maybe or i um i can't really remember all all the people that were there um and john john i've been in touch with him a few times um it really was a love tribe yeah yeah i would have loved to have um seen g farm in Vermont or something, wherever he was.

He was such a neat character. And like helped me climbing the coconut trees because he could like shimmy up that thing like crazy, like a friggin badger, a honey badger. It was so fun. Yeah. Talking about a character, John. Let me see, let me see if Rob's got something for us. I thought you were going to say Nalia T-Bird. John always had, like, he had this big secret that he told me in the beginning.

And he said, don't ever tell anybody. And I never, I never did did i can tell you now i think though okay if it's okay if it's okay zoe it's okay to tell us whatever you think like his social security number or anything right no no no no it was only about his tattoo which i believe was a real tattoo because he went swimming with it and it had um outlive outlast uh out you know do it would had all of the uh without playing last yeah yeah yeah okay and it was all in latin and he said don't tell anybody but you know because he had been so i guess he had tried to get on the show a few times before and it was just really i don't know it was really

cool like you know this that was one of the things when we made fire together like that's sort of like i felt like i would had a good relationship with john and you know like he'd be honest and you know sort of tell me if things were going south and then things went south for him and then went south. Nobody was there to tell you. Yeah. All right. Let's hear from your your buddy. OK. All right. Here we go. I got some goat butt here. Sorry. I should probably flip my hat around because the sun is awful bright and I got goats everywhere around me. It's beautiful lighting, though. Hey, Zoe. Hey, Rob. Hey, Teresa.

So I hear you're doing the podcast and I'm just here with my goat friends and you are there with my goat friends. And so I've been asked to share a Zoe story. And so I've been asked to share a Zoe story. So the one I always share, I will, let me say, I rarely share, but I have shared it a handful of times was while you're on the island, all of your bodily functions don't work. We all talk about, you know, you don't go to the bathroom and then you go too much, this, that, and the other. Well, if you're a guy after about 10 days of being on the island certain parts of your anatomy no longer work either um or not as they should and after

we got voted out uh little zoe happened to walk by the tent and said hey i got something for you and all of a sudden an object um flew through the tent window and it was a bottle of personal lubricant and she said hey see if this will work i'm not gonna say whether it did or not but i might be asking for a sponsorship if i ever play again thanks zoe wow zoe whoa i don't remember that but uh you sure that was you? Well, I don't know. Must be. I mean, I... Sure it wasn't the Kathy or something that did that? I don't know.

I do not remember doing that. John might have been hallucinating, you know? So, Zoe, you mentioned about John's tattoo. Do you have any tattoos, or did you get any to represent Survivor once you got off the show? I believe I had my little seahorse tattoo on the back of my shoulder there. Before Survivor? Before Survivor, yeah. Yeah.

Quite sure. So you didn't get outwit, outlive, outlast in Latin? No. I usually give blood every two months. The Red Cross says you can give blood. And if you do get a tattoo, they sort of take you off the give blood list for a while. So it's sort of important for me to do that because I had a friend that needed to have her own blood for her operation. So I went with her the first time to do it. Now I just, you know, I figure it's a good thing to do.

And yeah, that's great. Yeah, that's really incredible. So, Zoe, what did you think about the story John told. I'm going to have to call him up and ask him. Correct the record on that. Allegedly, we're going to say on that. He remembered it pretty clearly because he actually had sent me a message and said, can I tell this one story? So he seemed to really be sure it was you, but hey, I don't know. He could have gotten it wrong.

So when you got out to the Marquesa and met Probst, probably Jeff Probst to you wasn't any big deal because you probably didn't know who he was at all, right? I mean, I knew he was like the lead guy of Survivor. You know, like he was the one, the announcer. Yeah. Gentleman. What was your opinion of Jeff or give me one word to describe Jeff? One word to describe Jeff. I don't think you can describe Jeff in one word because he's, he's out.

I mean, he's pretty outstanding guy to, to do all he's done and continue to do it and still look so good, you know? He's got the best job. He really does. I think he was honest, straightforward, and didn't, you know, he just played the game as everyone else did. Or he didn't play the game but he led the game and was very um just straightforward and and it's a great guy like you never like i would have liked to have gone and asked him all sorts of questions but what kind of questions you want to ask him uh you know like about how how to get involved in the editing and or not the editing, but like how to be more part of the production of Survivor and instead of a contestant. Is that something you would have wanted to do?

Zoe, work, work on a show like Survivor. I mean, that is pretty outdoorsy. There is a lot of like construction and actually use a million boats now. Right I mean, that is pretty outdoorsy. There is a lot of construction and actually they use a million boats now. Right. Oh, no doubt. Yeah. Somebody said they were sort of working out of Fiji. Yeah.

Their whole setup is Fiji now. They only go to Fiji. Oh, really? Every season is in Fiji. Wow. Yeah. Survivor permanently lives in Fiji. Wow. Yeah. They just, Survivor permanently lives in Fiji. That's not a bad, bad spot. That's what they said.

Yeah. These are worse. We like it. We're moving in. Yeah, right, right. I think Jeff bought a house there, didn't he, Rob? I'm sure he has like a permanent living space there. That would be handy. I mean, yeah.

You'd want one. You would be great on the crew out there, wouldn't you? That would be a great thing. I would imagine if you got to the right person, that could easily be arranged. Yeah? Yeah. I would imagine. Would got to the right person, that could easily be arranged. Yeah. Yeah. I would imagine. Would you still be interested in it?

Possibly, yeah. Let's put it out there. People are listening. Call Zoe for the Dream Team or for the Marine Department. I mean, they've got like hundreds of people that work on Survivor now. It's not this fly-by-night operation that we were used to. What program were you on?

Can I ask you that question? Me? Yeah. Zoe, I went to go play Survivor one year after you. Oh. Sorry. That. Sorry. That's okay. And this is

going to play out. And then I was on a season with Boston Rob and Kathy. Oh, wow. Kathy went back too? You didn't know Kathy went back? Oh. You know, Zoe, i have some bad news it didn't it it was a whole thing with boston rob and uh those two it was it i mean it got a little you thought it is the it got tense in the marquesas

oh i don't see them getting along but i mean they did for a while and then uh and then it got a little it was a whole thing um it's so interesting it's so interesting this never came up ever no no i i you know unfortunately you know somebody's got to pay the bill so i'm working just like i get home and, you know, I crash and don't, or I don't have a place to watch TV or I'm, you know, on the road or I'm on a boat out to sea for, you know, for a month. And, um, and I guess I don't utilize my phone enough to watch. It's kind of old updated. I love it yeah she she works hard she's not all brought you know all into this reality i love it it's well yeah and the good news and the bad news is we don't

have anything else to catch you up on because they never brought anybody else back from survivor marquesas okay well that's good to know that it. I feel I feel a little bit enlightened now. Yeah. So were there any things that you wish they would have shown that you remember happening from being out there in the Marquesas? Yes. There there is this one scene that I remember. scene that I remember, um, we were all like little sardines sleeping, like to keep warm. Cause believe it or not, it, you know, we were all wet coming home from tribal council and, and we didn't have blankets or anything. So we, you know, like all sort of next to each other. And there was, um, and by that time we had had, we had a knife and we had some tools that we had won, but it was at night. And the camera crew was like trying to we were, you know, like whispering, I guess, and they were trying to figure out, you know, what what was going on. Like, were we doing something, you know,

covert that they wanted to know about? And they had this, I had never seen a mic like that before that was all fuzzy, you know, like half long and yeah. Yeah. And it was at our feet. And I was asleep. I always like to like I'm an aisle person on the plane, T-Bird. So I have to sleep in. And I was by the table where I always like to know where the tools were. And at our feet and I grabbed the knife and it was dark and I like I was about ready to like chop the mic in half and all of a sudden they lit up something and like they were all like wait did you think it was like a creature i did well there were no raccoons there but i'm like what the heck is that it's this floating furry thing that's over us we didn't like we i because it must have been on a long boom they didn't we didn't know that they were around the camera crew yeah it was very funny i'm like

i remember my i think i think i had it in my right hand because i'm right-handed and i was literally about ready to chop this thing wow pretty zoe you ended up voting for nalia to win correct instead of a sepia so it seems like so rob get ready i'm ready i'm ready you're ready oh should i get ready get ready i'm ready um go ahead rob This will be a good time. Okay. All right. Let's check in with, we heard from John. Let's hear from Sweet Pea. Zoe, where have you been? I have been searching for you. I don't even know how to get a hold of you.

So, Rob and Teresa, good job getting her on this podcast because I miss your face and you need to call me and we need to talk. I haven't seen you in the longest time. I wanted to share a couple of fun memories that I have of you on the show, Zoe. And first of all, you guys need to know Zoe was the hardest worker out there. She never sat down. She never stopped. I mean, there's nothing that Zoe can't do. And she was such a good provider, always took care of people, you know, made us bracelets, made a shell necklaces, just always just like so, so thoughtful. And it was so nice having someone like that out there on our tribe during that time. You just were so loving and caring, never had anything bad to say about anybody.

You just work so hard. And anyways, I just love you to pieces. A couple of fun stories I wanted to share. Do you remember when we first landed on row two and we were all laying together that night side by side? Obviously we didn't have a shelter. We had no blankets and pillows. I think we're sleeping on life jackets and we had heard that there were pigs around. And so we were all laying there one night and we heard this rustling in the bushes and we're like, oh my gosh, you guys, the pigs have arrived at our camp. We all got our machetes. Well, we had two machetes so we got our two machetes and started like walking through the bushes trying to find these

pigs to see if we could kill them so that we could have food to eat and we went over to this bush and was like chopping around a little bit and then we found the boom pole from the camera guy's microphone and it was even fuzzy and we just laughed and laughed about that. I still love that memory. I love that we thought as soon as we got out to Survivor that we were just going to, you know, have pigs come walking into our camp that easily that we're going to, like, just be able to kill them and eat. That was, we were so naive, weren't we? But you know what? We put it out there in the universe.

And guess what? It never happened. So it's fine okay the other thing i wanted to talk about so after the tribe swapped and kathy and pascal and i got sent over to marahamu we had a challenge so it was the first challenge that we were ever able to like be back together again um with each other and you and i were put at a station at the relay and we were waiting for our turn in the relay. And I looked over to you and I was like, Zoe, are we, are you guys going to throw a challenge so that we can get them out and get row two back together? And you never said

anything to me. Oh my gosh. I heard it. I knew then I was like, honestly, everybody says it was a coconut challenge that like solidified everything. But have to say, you were the first person that put doubt into my mind. And I'm glad you didn't lie to me. Imagine if you would have lied to me. Or imagine if you guys were thrilled in the challenge. Maybe how different the game would have turned out. But anyway, that was kind of a cool moment that never was on camera that always stuck with me. I love you.

I miss your face. I cannot wait to listen to this podcast and catch up with you. I hope you're doing so great, and I will talk to you soon. Thank you, Nalia. Zoe, you had a big reaction. You did not hear Nalia say that? I don't. Yeah, I don't.

Like, I don't recall that. Now, would you have thrown the challenge for Nalia and Pascal so that they would not have gone to tribal council? Looking back? Yeah. I really like their company. I mean, they have the numbers.

I don't think that they were in danger over there. No. Wow. Yeah. But Nalia said I don't think that they were in danger over there No Wow But Nalia said then she knew Then that was it Yeah Honestly I don't remember I don't recall that

Yeah Because that would have been Like a really like for her to say Because Nalia was amazing Like she was going through like this grass it would cut your legs and she wouldn't she never complained she would climb trees like I I couldn't for some reason I couldn't get up the tree and she said well I'll get up there give me a boost and and we were looking for breadfruit and, you know, she was just so amazing and so willing to like just be out there and do stuff. And I like I was probably doing I don't know, I should have just stayed at camp more and hung out. Chatted more. Yeah.

added more yeah um zoe so one of the things uh from the jury when you all uh showed up at the final tribal council everybody was wearing black for the final tribal council was there a meeting about uh hey what do you think about this look that will go to the final tribal council wearing even jeff noticed oh the fine the jurors are wearing black tonight. Whoa. There was this sort of, I remember something being said that, you know, we've got to be serious here. No more, you know, this, like, we're the judges now. We're going to, I remember. No, Pascal was the judge.

Oh, okay. Yeah. Pascal was a judge. You were the jury. A jury. That's right. That's right. We were just I remember we were getting, you know, because now we're the jury and we're able to have like clothes on that aren't, you know, the same clothes that we've been wearing for 39 days or 27 days or however many days. There was just we were just supposed to be very serious about it. And I can't I just I don't know. I sort of lost track of what that was all about. But, you know. So sorry. Yeah.

Brain crap. That's okay. Zoe, what did you send in for your audition video? Uh, let's see here. That was, I was working on a calendar with a friend of mine who actually lived in New York, um, about lobster fishing and like all of my mantras. And she was amazing lady to work with. And she helped me do the video when it was, um, I don't think I ever saw the last final cut cause I was working and she took all of this footage and made it and, and was able to send it in, but it was all about just working outdoors and, and lobster fishing. And yeah, I honestly, I never saw the final cut. Zoe, this is a great way to wind down our interview.

I'm glad you mentioned your calendar. So if I'm not mistaken, wasn't there a nude shot of you in this calendar? Well. And you brought one to CBS to the early show and you gave them one. And I don't know if you looked at your own calendar, but there was a nude shot in there of you. Do you have any of these calendars left, Zoe? I think I have one left. It was a very, I mean, it was myful yes it was tasteful and sometimes out here on

monhegan you can go out on the rock somewhere on a beautiful day when it's sunny and and you know get some extra vitamins d in places where you might not get vitamin D, you know, like through your epidermis, you know, so sometimes I would do that. And I was, I guess, you know, it was just part of my, um, part of my, my life, you know, like I'm sure all of us would have gone, you know, skinny dipping in the Marquesas if the sharks weren't so prevalent. any dipping in the Marquesas if the sharks weren't so prevalent. I'm not judging at all, but you've got one calendar left. You auction that off. You might can take a summer off. Oh, I don't know. It's not that. I mean,

I'm not saying it wasn't a, uh, an amazing, um, uh, production and like it was, I was so happy to be able to, I mean, I had 10,000 of them printed up and I sold them and, and, you know, did fundraising things with them and stuff like that. It was, it was near and dear to my heart because I don't really lobster fish. I go out with my old captain or whatever. I'm not fishing by myself now with my own boat. So it's nice to have those memories because I did that for 20 years. And I said, I got to do something else. So now I do more work.

Other than us getting you back out on the island. Well, hold on. Zoe, okay, that do you know that we're do you know what number survivor we're at 49 and it starts on the 18th no you're very close it's 47 but it does start on the 18th oh oh 47 we're only at 47 but survivor 50 is around the corner and jeff has said they're going to bring back returning players for Survivor 50. So my question for you is that Zoe, should Boston Rob play for a sixth time? No, I'm just kidding. I want to know, will you play again, Zoe, if they ask you?

I'd definitely give it a shot. Okay. Why not? Would you get involved with that little alliance thing? Well, yeah, you got to. You got to. Oh, God, Rob, tell her really fast how the game is changing. I'm a quick learner.

She doesn't know this about all the idols and all the different. Zoe, there's a thing called the hidden immunity idol. Okay. They have a thing now that they go and they hide in the woods and then you can find it. And then when you go to the tribal council, you can play it and say, hey, I'm playing my thing. Any votes for Zoe aren't going to count tonight. What do you think of that? That's pretty cool.

You just got to find it, right? You got to have some extra. You just got to find it, okay? But there's also a thing called the idle nullifier, okay? So then you have your thing, okay? You go, you play your idle, but then I go and I have the idle nullifier. And then I put my thing in the voting booth in the urn. So you stand up and you say, Hey, I got my thing. And they say, okay,

any votes for Zoe aren't going to count. But then Jeff opens up the urn and if I play the idol nullifier and then it says Zoe, then it's like, ah, but I'm sorry, you got idol nullified. So now the votes for Zoe do count tonight. Unless Rob, she's played her shot in the dark yeah then everybody has a shot in the dark okay so there's a you all everybody gets this six-sided die okay and so you start the game and you have your shot in the dark okay and so if you play the shot in the dark you have a a one in six chance of the votes not counting for you.

So you go to tribal council and you have your little shot in the dark dice. And do you know what you do with it, Zoe? Do tell. You put it in. There's a little like a volcano and you put the dice into the volcano. Yeah. And then you pick out of the bag of scrolls and you pick one of the bag, one of the papers out of the scroll and it says safe or not safe.

And then you don't get to cast a vote. And then you come back to your seat and then you open and then Jeff, he said, Jeff, I played the shot in the dark tonight. And then Jeff will open it and we'll say safe or not safe. Wow. This is complicated. Well, it's the shot in the dark tonight. And then Jeff will open it and we'll say safe or not safe. Wow, this is complicated. Well, it's the new era, Zoe. After season 40, we said, okay, now this is the new era of Survivor. We're changing everything.

Sometimes they have a thing called knowledge is power, Zoe. Yes, yes. You know about knowledge is power? Yes, I do. How do you know about knowledge is power? Yes, I do. How do you know about knowledge is power? You didn't know that Kathy went back for Survivor All-Stars, but you know about knowledge is power? Just different knowledge that, you know, I'm sorry.

Wow. Lacking in my survivor knowledge. Yeah. So I do need to brush up on my survivor knowledge. Yeah, knowledge is power. Knowledge is power is when somebody, you can ask somebody if they have a thing at tribal council, like,

hey, Zoe, do you have a hidden immunity idol? Because I have knowledge is power. And then if the answer is yes, you have to give it to me. You have to give it to me because I asked you, I had the thing. And if you don't, then you're... Then nothing.

What do you think of this, Zoe? You know, remember when Pascal got out at the final four because he had to draw a rock? So now at the every season at the final four, they don't even have a vote. They have to have the two people make a fire at the final four. They don't even have a vote. They have to have the two people make a fire at the final four. Oh, wow. I thought you would

like that. Yeah, as long as I had a magnifying glass. No, you have to do with a flint and a machete. Oh, a flint and a machete. Okay. You could do that. You could do that. Yeah. Yeah. That's really cool. Yeah. They time it. I think I saw

one and they timed it. They're like having a race. The first person to burn their string ends up going to the final three. It's the final three now also, Zoe. Oh, wow. This is, I don't know. I might have to think this over. You know how you went to the reunion show either at Madison Square Garden or the skating rink?

They don't even do that anymore. They just all do it all. They do it all. They count all the votes on the island. There's no reunion show. Well, it's a pizza party. And they give them pizza. With champagne.

Yeah. Pizza and champagne. That's it. That's better. That's way better. All like on location. I wish we had done that on Survivor. Yeah.

All right. T-Bird, do you have any other questions for Zoe? Zoe, thank you so... I could talk to Zoe for hours and hours. I'm so impressed with her. I'm impressed with Zoe that your arm must be so tired, Zoe, holding up the phone. This is like an endurance challenge.

T-Bird, I think she could outlast you in holding the arm up in the air. Remember, I was, where was I? I was in Canada. No, yeah, I don't know. And it was like, and you had to hold out pitchers of beer, two pitchers of beer. And like, it was however, and it was silly. Okay, well, incredible job. Zoe, will there be a 2025 calendar coming out?

Uh, you know, probably not. Okay. Yeah, back in 2002, I think I did that calendar, but I would do another calendar down the road. No, no better folds. All right. Well, all right. 2027, it'll be the 25th anniversary edition. Oh, that's right. Yes. Every, maybe I could remake the old one, you know, but I have to take all the tides out because that'd be different.

Okay. Talk to you. Yeah. Okay. That that's that's amazing so that the calendar had like the the dates for the tide going in and out i mean that's important to know well yeah because i tried to make it a calendar well it was my idea that it would be you know it's very important for me as a fisherman to know what the tide's doing because it's like a 10 foot tide here in Maine. And yeah, like every time I, you know, you want to, if you have a freight or anything, you want to do it on the high tide. So you're not like walking up 10 flights of stairs with all sorts of

supply traps and bait. So, um, some reason, uh, if you need to haul out your boat up on the beach, you need to do that on the low tide or at the high tide and then know what the low tide is. So, yeah, very important to know what the tides are. Yeah. Well, Zoe, thank you for making some time to talk with us. Please don't be insulted that T-Bird dropped off. I don't think that she hung up on you. I think we just lost her connection here at the end. But I'm sure let me send her regards in case she doesn't get back on here.

And Zoe, this was such a thrill for me to get the chance to talk to you. Likewise, Rob. This has been, I was a little apprehensive because I'm kind of shocked. I know you don't do a lot of stuff like this. That's why it's so special for both T-Bird and myself that you were up for doing this. And maybe you say like oh boy if if uh john carroll is going to tell stories like that then i regret it but hopefully uh you you thought it was a good experience it was all good it was all good yeah all right zoe take care all

the best okay yeah all right i like what it was well yeah all right. All right, hold on. Here's T-Bird. Here's T-Bird. Okay. Oh, gosh. You guys, we're so lucky that until just at the very end, that happened. I mean, we've been so lucky. Yeah. Yeah. What are you on, Monhegan Island, T-Bird? I called you and said, where the heck did you go? I just, yeah, well.

Yeah. Well, I was just telling Zoe how much we appreciated her making some time to talk to us. Yeah. And T-Pain, we're so excited. Really excited. It's been a pleasure. And it's nice to, I don't know, I do need to get in contact with some of those people because we had a great experience, I think. You know, when it's said and done, it was quite an event.

John actually shot me two videos. I'll send the one to you you did not see. But he referenced something about a reunion or something coming up for the Marquesa group. So I'll send you that. And I've got his number and Aaliyah's. I know they would love to hear from you. That would be awesome. I would appreciate that.

Thank you. All right, Zoe. Thank you so much. Okay. Okay. Have a great day. Zoe, thank you. Zoe, when this hits, I'll send it Thank you. All right, Zoe. Thank you so much. Okay. Okay. All right. Zoe, thank you. Zoe, when this hits, I'll send it to you. Although I don't know, you can watch it on your,

you can watch it on your phone. Okay. Perfect. Bye. All right. Take care, Zoe. Thank you. Bye. All right, T-Bird. There you have it. Zoe Zanadakis. Zanadakis. Oh my goodness, Rob. That was so fun. Yes, that was great fun. Isn't it fun to talk to somebody who is, I call it innocent, so innocent about Survivor. We're telling her all this stuff and it's really neat. And that's the way she, when she was cast, the same way. She didn't do like a lot of people, I guess, do the research and all that about going. She just went out there

and, you know, gave it her best shot. She's been on the boat. We had a lot to tell her. She's been on the boat. So anyway, what a delight. I know the fans are going to love catching up with her. Yeah, I hope so.

That was very fun. Okay. What a way to end this series. Oh, it doesn't end this series. Well, no, no, no. People think it's canceled the season the season yeah i mean what a uh survivor off season it's been t-bird from when we got started what in the beginning back in the the first week of uh june oh yeah let me see. Let me go back from when...

No, we talked with Tina Wesson back on June 4th. And it was this summer. We talked with Tina, Krista, Nick Brown, Aubrey, Penner, Janet, Will Wall, and now Zoe. Pretty good. Excuse. You left someone out. Oh, well, hold on. I didn't leave somebody out.

The people that make the website left somebody out. Oh, well, hold on. I didn't leave somebody out. The people that make the website left somebody out. Sugar. Well, guess what, T-Bird? The crack team at Rob is a podcast didn't put that in the talking with T-Bird category. How about that? What? No, sugar?

Well, get sugar back in. Where's Sam? I don't know. You want to yell at him, T-Bird? We got to talk. What? You want to yell at Sam? No, I'm never going to yell at Sam.

He does a great job. Okay. But Ron. Fix that immediately. What a great, great season five we've had. And actually have a couple more lined up. Yeah. For what?

For December? January? Possibly. Okay. If the boss approves it all right well we will bring you them as soon as we record them anyway t-bird uh congratulations again thank you for all your hard work bringing talking with t-bird to the masses and uh t-bird again congratulations on getting voted into the Survivor 50 wish list. Rob, thank you. Congratulations to you as well. Oh, thank you.

Thank you. I mean, it was the Rob's podcast. I mentioned this to you before. I want to say this because I really mean this. Getting voted into that is enough. Yes. If that's as far as it goes, to have that from the fans is enough. And it's like second chances being voted in that group was,

was really big for me, even though I didn't make the final group, it was still a lot to make the small group. So this was, it was wonderful. Thank you very much. All right. Well,

thank you for all your hard work. Of course, you can listen to all of our old talking with T-Bird episodes, go to robinswebs.com slash T-Bird feed. T-Bird, where can people keep up with you? At T-Bird Cooper. All right. Thank you so much for joining us. Take care, everybody. Have a good one. Bye. Bye. Your life won't ever be the same Cause we're talking with T-Bird now This T-Bird you cannot change

Oh, and things might get pretty strange Thank you.