RHAP: We Know Survivor - Taran Armstrong on Survivor B&B: S48 Premiere

Episode Date: March 3, 2025

With a new Survivor season upon us, it’s time for Mike Bloom and Liana Boraas to re-open the RHAP B&B! On the B&B, Mike and Liana are inspired by the lighter side of Survivor, featuring a series of segments and games based on what’s happening on Survivor that week. This week, Mike and Liana are joined by Taran Armstrong for the premiere of Survivor 48!

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Let up right to your mama that they're not super lame And if that all sounds cool I can tell you the name It's the R-H.A.C.E. You can say for free Hi everybody and welcome to the R.H.A.P. B&B for the premiere of Survivor 48 My name is Mike Bloom and I can only imagine that as I announced to you that you are currently listening to our survivor 48 coverage you were all freaking out much like the castaways were on zoom when they found out that they got to be on this season on this premier that we witnessed a lot to get into in this jam packed two hour period. We got to know all these castaways inside out, which means we got to see a lot of joy, some sadness, some anger, some disgust,

but overall a lot to get into to really kick off this season in style. But of course, as we get to know these people, I think it only natural that we get to know our guests in a certain way, Leanna, apparently the only way to get to know a person. Favorite movie, Car You Drive, and How You Like Your Steak Cooked.

Ha ha, Oh my gosh. We were actually talking about this yesterday, but like that's the most, I can't remember who said it was like the most masculine way to get to know somebody, something like that. So I love that perspective. Omar also said that like something about it being racist for the steak situation.

So there's a whole lot of thoughts going on in terms of the best way to get to know people. But look, I had an absolutely fantastic time watching this premiere. The first episode of Season of Survivor, it's always just this like the present that you get to open on Christmas. So for me, it's always a joy

and I'm so excited to go through everything from it. That is fantastic. I will note you did not answer my question. Oh my God. Okay, I actually like the holes answer. I think that, can I piggyback on that? I don't know Mike, but I do have my stakes for air actually. Okay, there we go.

And of course our guest, someone that we are welcoming and we realized offline for the first time in 10 seasons, Teran Armstrong, favorite movie, car you drive and how you like your steak done. OK, sympathy for Mr. Vengeance, Old Strong, part of the Vengeance trilogy. You've probably heard of Old Boy, which is part of the trilogy. Car is a weird one. I was looking up because I didn't remember the name.

I, I like electric cars. Um, you know, not certain ones, but, uh, I feel like I want a Rivian. I feel like that's what I want, but I don't know. I haven't driven one. Um, and then, uh, steak I think would be medium rare. Okay, perfect. And I will contribute as well, not to just completely throw on the two of you.

Movie will probably be like Wet Hot American Summer. Car right now is a Ford Focus. And then steak, I'd probably say medium rare. I don't know if you all saw this. David did post his guide to steaks on social media and what it says about you. Do you want to take a look? Please. Yes, and he that it totally tracks with what little I know about David that he would have this.

Well, we're going to find out more about him next week. It's like his four nipples, but we'll stop at the stakes for now. So this was posted on David's social media shortly after the episode. I'll read this out loud for those that are not watching the video version. Blue, ironically, you are probably a good cook, at least one blue collar parent. So that's if you take your steak blue, it came not really cooked at all. Rare, you are not squeamish, easygoing, hard physical worker. Medium rare, grew up middle class, predictable, typically well traveled, educated, medium, high maintenance, stubborn.

Think they're smarter than they are. Medium well delusional, but spelled like illusional, like the illusionist with a D in front of it. Psychotic. Maladroid. Like I listen, I have admittedly a large vocabulary that I do not know how to properly use. I don't think I've ever seen this word before. Maladroid sounds like the name of a fantasy novel villain. And then- Ineffective bungling clumsy.

So how do you know how to get this word and misspelled delusional? I don't know. I'm guaranteed they went to like thesaurus.com. Yeah, and copy and pasted wrong. I read predictable as Presbyterian, so I don't know what that says about me. And I was like, that's oddly specific. Yes, exactly.

Well, you grew up eating only those red meats, not on Fridays. And then finally, well done, which I guess we call charity style in the context of Survivor 48. Probably grew up poor, strong cultural slash family ties, cautious. Cautious. See, that's the thing is and we're going to get into obviously a lot of assigning, you know, your own personality to factors outside of your control when it comes to the astrology of it all, perhaps. But like the cautious to well done thing is the most salient connection I could see. Right. Which is like, I want to prevent any ounce of foodborne illness possible.

Cook the crap out of my steak. That makes the most sense to me. Well, we'll see. I'm intrigued to see if David's theory continues to bear out not only in the season, but humanity. But I am happy he provided some supplemental material. Well, I feel like Blue makes you probably a good cook because it's probably pretty difficult to successfully.

I've never even heard of Blue, but like looking at the image, it looks like it's hard to pull off without making people sick. So yeah, I guess you're probably a good cook. I get that. Hmm. So that's so interesting because for medium I have the same, like high maintenance for medium because I feel like getting it right at medium is challenging, right? Because it's kind of this small window of time.

I don't know. Okay, well, look, David's providing educational material, if you can call it that. I'll use air quotes. So good for him. Yeah, listen, next time somebody's like, what's your Enneagram or MBTI or whatever? I'm going to be like, sorry, I don't go by that bunk. I'm a medium rare. Exactly. What? Like MBTI.

Myers-Briggs never heard of her. All right. Well, we've got a veritable meat market of a cast to get into here. Taryn Leona gave a little bit of her thoughts on the premiere. What did you think about this opener? Especially because, you know, you talk about this, obviously, in the Draft Podcast. This is sort of your first exposure, generally, to these people by and large.

What did you think about the way things kicked off? I thought it was very fun. I think that it was, a very strong for me, like three fourths of a premiere. I feel like the vote itself was a little tame, but I don't think that's like the fault of the show as much as it is just like what happened out there. Like they just kind of went with a fairly predictable vote.

I think that they were trying to make it seem like, oh, say, is being so out there that the alliance could turn on her. But at the end of the day, it was just kind of a pretty straightforward thing. But that's fine. That happens. Other than that, I think it was very good to introduce us to all of the new players. I think there was a really strong emotional moments and so overall, pretty solid premiere. I would say. Yeah, I mean, I really can't think of like

Leona of a premiere recent, if like ever for a newbie season that was as emotional as this. Now, listen, maybe it was helped along due to the Eva and Joe of it all, which we can certainly get into. But look, these people came in with some very big stories and some very big communities that they wanted to represent. And they really let that adamantly be told in those first few days. And so it allowed for really the emotions to come out in full force again,

in kind of all directions by the end of the two hours. I think that premieres have the job of introducing you to the cast. And I think that this episode did that very well, but I think it also went above and beyond in the sense that to me, it was really world building. So not only did we use individual stories for, so for example, Ava telling her story, but also we saw her in the context of her relationships telling that story. So not only did we get to know her, but we also got to know her in the context of how she how she's going to navigate the game and that tight connection with Joe. So Tyler Thomas talk about like the types of relationships based on his background that he would normally form and then here he finds himself in this California girls alliance. So it was yes about getting to know the players, but then also building the world in which they are playing based on their backstory. And that was what I really appreciated about

this episode. Taryn, as a veteran of our Big Brother coverage, which is just a veritable bastion of Named Alliances, how do you feel about them on Survivor and how does California girls stack up to you? Named Alliances are smart. They're smart for TV and they're smart for a game. We talk a lot about the kinds of things you should name alliances, but Survivor is usually better about this.

Way less often do Survivor players name their alliances with numbers, which is a good thing to do. And quite frankly, the California girls feels like it could be very inclusive to any, it's not like, because if they name themselves the California guys, then they can never invite a woman into the Alliance, but calling themselves

the California girls, all of a sudden, anybody can join. And so I think that was pretty smart. Yeah, and also a bit of a get out of jail free card, in my opinion, because I think if there's a hilarious misunderstanding where like someone walks up behind Shaqeen and Thomas being like, we got to do what's good for the California girls are like, oh, shit, there's a girls alliance happening.

There's an all girl alliance. Well, and California is also very inclusive, right? So I think that you don't have to be from California to be a part of the California Girls Alliance. So I think that that's also quite smart from the naming convention. Yeah, it's very true. So I'm thrilled to see where that goes, because I think that was kind of like an unlikely alliance of three to the point that two thirds of them were like, I never thought I'd be in a men's alliance, but like, Joe is the one exception to the rule, I suppose.

And I mean, we got to get into that because I think it's one of the biggest things that people are talking about from this episode. And obviously, with the representation that comes with what Eva brings as the first openly autistic player. And you know, the gamble that you take, I very much respect her decision to like not be open about her autism initially, just because of the fact that it is inherently a very cut throw game where kind of like being arrested, anything you say can and will be used against you in the court of tribal counseling, getting to be so open about something that is so inherently structural to just who she is as a person. I can't imagine what it was like to put herself out there like that,

let alone on like, yes, she waited a little bit of time to kind of feel out the field a little bit, but still incredibly tough to do. And Joe's side of things was like, just really incredible. Something as simple as like, what can I do to help you in that moment? And again, it's a bit of a low bar. And again, we tend to not speak about too

much stuff outside of the survivor shenanigans that we usually do. But I will say, recent times, I've kind of showcased this idea of people behaving selfishly and feeling like I'm only going to help you if there's something in it for me. And this was one of those rare moments, in my opinion, Leanna, of altruism on survivors to the point where Joe has this incredibly visceral confessional where he says like, it does not matter if I have to go above her. I've got her now. She's mine. It was so sweet. It was so cute. It was like, Oh, my god, Joe's gonna kill somebody for her. That's how far it felt like it was gonna go. They had just met. I think it just

showcases the passion that he has. And like when he gets this information, he really just opens his heart and like takes it in. And like she was willing to share all of that information and pick this is my person, I'm gonna trust you. This is a duo that's gonna go so deep into the game. Like this is what I'm talking about when I talk about world building,

is that we're getting the storyline set for I think what will go throughout the season. Yeah and strategically that's incredibly powerful. To have formed a bond this strongly, this quickly, that can be really really difficult to navigate around as long as you keep it on the down low as much as you can. You know, Mike, you talked about like how she waited a little bit, but genuinely, that's what I often advise people to do. You know, whether it's Big Brother or Survivor, if you have like a secret, really, you can come in and have your own secret, whether it's that you're a secret mathematician or that you are secretly a hance. Like, you know, there's always some kind of thing

you can use as a secret. This is, you know, something that was genuine and meaningful, but, and I don't think that this was done with strategic intent, but I think we are seeing the potential implications strategically, which is that you can go to one person first and confide in them. They're your closest ally.

They will feel like, wow, this person trusted me enough to come to me first to confide in me. I'm going to hold the secret for them. That's a really good bonding agent. Then you can come out to the rest of the tribe or the rest of the group and let them know what the secret is as well. If you really wanna get tricky with it,

you can have the person you told first act like that's the first time they're hearing it. And then that's another thing that you're already now doing covert operations together. And it's just a really great way to bond people together and all the better if it's a really genuine emotional connection. I think that that can,

so I was happy but not surprised by that connection. One thing I was surprised by was how chill Star was speaking is like, yeah, because like all the videos, Star was felt shot out of a cannon. Oh, yeah. To the point where when this like opening match at I posted an article about it where they actually ended up talking to all 18 people. And I posted like what everybody said, because obviously was cut for time. And when Jeff called on Star, it was like an atomic bomb had gone off within that very specific section of the beach. He was going, Jeff, no, no, Jeff, no, don't call on me.

No, Jeff, no. And it's like, I totally agree that feeling that and then experiencing sort of the confessionals, I don't know if it was just that, you know, the lack of metabolism already hit her, if it was just like, okay, this is my game face mode, it felt like a very different type of star. Well, she did say in her bio that she's actually an introvert, that people wouldn't know this,

but she's actually very introverted, which I thought was interesting. And I think that perhaps we're seeing some of that come through. And I think introverts, of course, can also be loud and boisterous. But then in the day to day, you don't necessarily have the stamina to keep up with that all the time. And so that might be what we're seeing with Star so far. And she is on my draft team, so I'm not pleased about this, but strategically it's not looking amazing for her because you have the California girls, you have Joe connected to Eva,

and then you have Bianca connected to Thomas. And that, you know, it doesn't seem like, like Star has the connection to Shaheen in the same way that she has somebody in the seemingly dominant alliance right now pulling for her. Yeah, I mean, Stephanie arguably got booted because she was looking at Stars and she might be looking at Star soon at Ponderosa. I think so, go her way.

But I think that the purple, what's their name again, Mike? Loggy. Loggy, oh yes, okay. But I think that the purple, what's their name again, Mike? Loggie. Loggie. Oh, yes. Okay. So the Loggie tribe, though, seems pretty dang strong. So you know, I mean, maybe I'm optimistic that they might not see tribal council.

So I think that that could be in Star's favor. The other thing is that if they don't go to tribal council for a little while, those dynamics can shift. And maybe the California girls, well, not Thomas, but Shaheen and Joe recognize the connection that Thomas has to Bianca. And maybe Bianca becomes that person who that now is in danger. So I guess the reason I brought this up about Star is because I'm really excited for her. And I was excited to see that her energy had metabolism, introversion, or otherwise had been tamped down a little bit because I'm hoping that then she doesn't seem,

because that was, I think, the barrier, I know for a lot of fans, like watching her video for the first time, so it was like, oh my gosh, this is just like too much, I can't handle this. And we've seen Mary Ann, who is way too much go on to win, so I'm not saying that that is inherently a bad thing, but maybe for connection on the tribe,

that this could be helpful for her and maybe gives her a little bit more longevity. So let's move to the other end of the sliding scale of, you know, challenge performance at least. Taryn, how screwed are our intrepid members of the Green Tribe here? You know, you had one of their physically strongest people dislocate his shoulder in the first challenge. He does get the supplies back. When it's like at at least portrayed to us, it's sort of by default, that quickly gets snatched away from them. You know, they're down one person.

Do you think this has all the makings of a disaster tribe here? It's entirely possible. It did seem like they, it was a little bit neck and neck there in the puzzle, but they were last to get there. So you know, it's it's usually the sort of thing where like, unless you're being blown out, like it's it's you're not like super likely to lose every single one. But but it's not a great sign, especially when you know, Lagi the purple tribe was so strong.

And then the orange Siva tribe. They've got, you know, David, who's like gonna potentially carry the whole tribe on his back in a physical challenge, you know, like as Jeff might say. So it is looking like there's some stiff competition here, especially the more physical things get. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean, David pulling the box, the puzzle pieces, it's like, oh my gosh,

he is literally gonna drag this tribe through the pre-tribal immunities. So I think that's definitely a possibility, but like that's the thing, because of the puzzle, it gives me hope because it wasn't that like complete, complete, complete blowout like you might expect. They OK, they were there. There was a moment I thought, oh, my God, is orange. I know.

Yeah. So they legitimately did pass them at a certain point. But even like, yeah. And it's interesting because at the challenge, like you said, Tara and Vula was the last to get up to the puzzle. And it took them a while because, like you said, you know, David was the only person pulling the rope for Siva for Lagi. I think it was like two people. Vula, whether somebody's idea or not, they put like four people up on the rope

and two people on the crate. And so it was just like impossible to get it up there. So I don't know if that's a difference in strategy or if that's just a pure acknowledgement of like, yeah, we're not going to be the pure strongest group here. But I also feel like after the first immunity challenge, I don't know how much of this stuff moving forward is going to be purely physical strength. So yeah, that might help them. I feel like this tribe, it's even less so about like, if they keep going back to tribal council, I don't think it's going to be about, oh, they're just so outmatched the challenges. I think it's just going to more

so be about unity. It's just the fact that like, there is a lot of discord happening. Now maybe the fact that Stephanie was voted off near unanimously has kind of, you know, coalesced and congealed this group a bit. I think it also might help that, much like Survivor 47, everyone has gotten fire at the end of this episode, as opposed to something that has happened to Yanu, to Lulu, is that they basically never got fire until they won an immunity challenge, if at all.

And so they were just dragging on for days with basically no food. Everyone has a way to acquire food now, which helps even the playing field. I have a question about the earn the tribe supplies broken jug situation. Who's fault is it that the jug broke? Like if it was fragile enough, I mean, I'm just saying, I don't think it's inherently Kyle's fault, okay, that the jug broke. Like, use better glass.

Are you willing to represent him in court if he sues Survivor? Yeah. I mean, he's the lawyer, so he'll do a better job representing himself because I'm just going to be up there on the stand being, I just feel like it's not fair. That's my argument against it. But Kyle then pivoting and helping Kevin, that was, I can't decide if I think that was altruistic or if it was just like the quicker we fill this jug,

the faster I can go back and bond with my tribe because they're bonding without me. And now I didn't get some lies. So I'm like extra on the hit list, but regardless regardless it was still very sweet to see. It's great instincts I think to immediately or at least it was portrayed immediately that to pivot and and start helping it's the most that you can make out of that situation and now you have at least something like you were in a competitive situation with this guy

have at least something like you were in a competitive situation with this guy, uh, where you'd feel like, Oh, we were just competing with something, uh, for something. But now it's like, Oh, you're actually a cool dude and you're helping me out. And that's a connection that you can potentially use moving forward. So it's just great instincts. Yeah. That's what Jeff sort of posited as well. When I talked with him right after he's like, listen, it was a very nice thing for him to do, but like, I can't help but wonder. And he also said this at the screening as well with Kyle in the

room, like, I know he's shaking his head right now. But I think there was a little part of him that was saying like, this is a way for me to make an initial bond with somebody who again, is hurting a little bit who just dislocated his shoulder. Like, let me try to earn a little bit of sympathy here. But I wasn't entirely sure. And I mean, I'm they play test a lot of this stuff. I don't know if the play test involved taking the metal pot and just using impact at increasing amounts of intensity to see if the glass would shatter clearly something they did not plan for.

I don't think they necessarily thought, you know what we loved. We adored when Jolinski smashed the hourglass on the beach. Let's festoon the island with even more shrapnel and smash this jug that it could happen at any time. It's just a matter of when, not if. Yeah, it's a ticking time bomb. But I mean, we've seen people break challenges before, like Jake, for example. He was warned. He said, don't do that. Don't do that.

And then it broke it. It was like, well, you're out of the challenge because you broke it. That felt more fair. Right. Like it felt like consequential. It was like you were warned about this. Don't do this. This was just like he just accidentally tippy tapped the jug way too hard. You know what I mean? I don't know. I felt bad for Kyle. But also he pivoted well.

I can't imagine this was an intended part of the challenge. I don't think that they'd ever anticipate or want broken glass to be part of, you know, the the challenge where they're running around on the beach. So you got to get money. You got to get bloody. You got it like you're coming. You're coming back like covered in war wounds, like what the hell happened to you? Well, I mean, maybe it was also that Kyle had in his mind, right? It was get the get the machete by any means necessary.

Get the pot by any means necessary. The thing was, he was the only one that is said, like explicitly what to do. I had the same thought. I was like, wait, he's disqualified. Doesn't that just mean he can get it faster? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. By any means necessary, if only that was actually included. Poor Kyle. But anyway, yeah, like we talked about, it was a great way to to pivot anyway.

So it'll probably work out for him, I hope. So I mentioned this beforehand, obviously, this has been something that has been a little widely advertised since the episode I put out an article about it right after the premiered aired that again, I and Leon Asciasi actually asked me this question before we came on that, you know, I got the chance to go out there for the first three days of the season. Now I was asked, you know, how did the premier line up with my experiences out there? And I would say by and large they did with one big exception.

And that is the fact that in the episode, not to say downplayed it, but just a few scattered soundbites of Kevin saying, my shoulder, how, how my shoulder. And, you know, was that just more so kind of a necessary thing to put in as a reason that he ends up getting sent on the journey? And actuality, a lot more intense because Kevin had actually dislocated his shoulder, much like Stephanie LaGrosse and Daniel Strunk before him,

he dislocated his shoulder in an opening challenge. They stopped the challenge right afterwards because as soon as Loggy won, Kevin's just going like, oh God, and Jeff's like, medical. So in comes Dr. Well, not to be confused with a man that Tara knows all too well. He came in there, gave Kevin some of the good stuff,

a nice painkiller that instantly relaxed him. And then he popped it back into place. But it certainly was for me, not only a very graphic experience, but one that had my heart sinking. Because it was like, there's a non-zero chance that I am watching like a day one minute one medevac happen. And so again from like a physical standpoint obviously Kevin

was a contributor to the challenge obviously that had no bearing on the final outcome in fact he was the king the one-armed king of Vula as it were so maybe that's why it was chosen not to make the edit but I would say that was like the biggest piece that was missing from what happened on the island versus what we got on the show. Well, at least if it had been a day one medevac, he definitely would have returned probably with Katura and it would have been great. Yeah, exactly. Like you put him forth on 50,

but specifically on a tribe with him and Katura together. Yes. Well, did did they provide, like, did you get any other information about why he was the one that was sent to achieve the tribe supplies? Because I would imagine if I was out there, one of my teammates just dislocated his shoulder. Why would he be the one that you would want to pick to then go do another assuming, presumably physical challenge? Yeah, it was really interesting. And, you know, I talk a lot about all my experiences from the first three days with Josh Wigler in a special patron pod, but I'll crack a little bit of that wall down for this particular one

so you can peep through it. And so, yeah, I did make a glory hole to the patron wall, one of it. So then, so it seemed like from what I was hearing, from my perspective, I felt more so like Kevin had stepped up, that he was the one that was like, I feel bad. You know, if I was in that second portion, maybe Cedric wouldn't have such a tough time getting up the wall.

Like, let me go and do this. That's actually why Kyle ended up stepping up is that Kyle blamed himself partially for that entire snag that happened at this ramp. I don't think it was either one of their faults, because let's be honest, once Joe yeets Eva up that wall like a freaking catapult, like there was no looking back for Loggy. But that's why Kyle decided to step up. And it seems like it seemed like in the moment from my perspective,

that's why Kevin did as well. I did not get a sense as what we got on the episode, which was Justin being like, Kevin, you get a chance to play, want to play in this one. And if that is the case, I am intrigued as to, you know, how Kevin authentically would have thought about in the moment of like, are you guys just setting me up for failure again? Am I going to have a broken heart in addition to like a separated shoulder by the end of this? I mean, that would like honestly, if I'm in their spot, Kevin's volunteering

after he hurt his shoulder, I'm going to let him if he comes back and he has supplies. Great. If he comes back and he doesn't have supplies. Great. He's a great first target because it's clear that he can't do challenges now. That was my theory as well, Taryn. That was oh, my gosh, they're like they're going to be fine with this because then they can all just talk about him behind his back. They'd be like, look, he's injured. Let's be realistic. You know, he's going to, you know, come back without supplies.

But the law, we just put him out first. So that's what I thought was going to happen. Why it was the opposite, right? Because say does indeed hit the ground running with Kevin in obstetrics. But then she's like, and I feel really good about Kevin, like unprompted ends up bringing him in. Bet MGM is an official sports betting partner of the National Hockey League and has your back all season long from puck drop to the final shot, you're always taken care of with the sportsbook Born

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CONNECT ONTARIO at 1-866-531-2600 to speak to an advisor free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iG gaming Ontario. And that brings us to the say topic who is the biggest character in this episode, you know, breaks the record for most confessionals in a survivor episode with 21 and she was wheeling and dealing much like a card game out there considering that she immediately starts making alliances

while excluding others, goes on this entire idle find, and then idle code cracking, leads the charge against Stephanie, gets into this pretty back and forth dramatic, you know, bickering at tribal council. Taron, I need to hear all your thoughts about what Say was doing in this episode.

It was interesting because the thing I noticed immediately was when they hit the beach, Jeff gives this whole speech about how the game of Survivor is about taking chances and not leaving anything behind and not regretting not taking the shot when you had it. And that made me think about all of these other shows with like broken game mechanics, like the Traders or Deal or No Deal Island,

where like, players are often doing things just because it seems like you're supposed to, but actually you should just be doing other things. And how producers can really set the tone and set sort of the parameters for how players should act regardless of their actual interests or the actual incentives in the game. And so here's Jeff saying like, play super hard,

go out and make the moves and take chances. And generally I think that's okay, but we're seeing say here in the opening episode, the premiere, in a spot where normally you do take a player like this and you go, ah, too hard, too fast, classic mistake. And it felt like that was the way she was being edited. But the interesting thing to me was,

but this is exactly what Jeff said that they should do. So maybe it doesn't go bust, at least immediately. And it does feel like that was kind of where the episode, the episode wanted us to think she's flirting with this line of disaster and it could be her. But the reality is it is the person who sat back and didn't make moves strategically that ends up paying the price. And so that kind of felt like the moral of the whole episode.

And so Se becomes this really interesting figure there where I'm curious to see where she goes moving forward, but she's clearly such a gung-ho player of like, I'm gonna grab my people. It's like, all right, so my alliance is doing this. And I'm like, your alliance, like you've been there for 30 minutes. Uh, but that is a really interesting player to play around. Yeah.

Similarly, if I was on a tribe with Say and she was like, you are in an alliance with me and these other people, I'd be like, amazing, I love you. You're my best friend. You know, until you're not. But for now, this is fantastic. And you really can take the reins early just by choosing to. It puts you in a dangerous position, but it also means you can shape things in the way that you want. And this is the way that she wanted. I think so. I agree with your assessment for episode one. Then I think what the episode did is it also gave us some foreshadowing of what's to come specifically with Kevin and Mary's relationship, because you have the success of say early in terms of dictating the situation

where, you know, Stephanie talks about like, Oh, well, we want to be making connections, you want to be building bonds, you want to be doing that kind of thing. That's the more powerful thing on survivor. But what we learned from Episode One, that was not true early, right? It was the person who took charge, built the relationships artificially as they were, and move forward that way succeeded. But now we're going to start to see this Kevin, Mary relationship. So if they go back, what happens? Right. And that's where then I start to be nervous for say, because while that aggressive strategy worked early, I think we also now potentially

could learn the lesson of but relationships are also important. So you have to almost like do both to be able to be a successful player on Survivor. But what also makes it interesting is that she is armed to a certain extent that like if they do choose to take a shot at her, she has an idol that while she is very open about it with her alliance to the point that they helped solve her, you know, Achilles heel of cryptograms, which is I want to know the story about like how safe figured out that was her one weakness, you know, like did she just tune into the Da Vinci code and get into this 30 minutes and

be like, I can't do this. No, no, no. This strikes me as a thing where like any roadblock you run into, you're like, ah, damn my one weakness. Yeah, she'll have five or six of those throughout the season. Yeah. But I think that what helps say is the fact that you really have to get around her now because the first whiff that like if it was I mean now I guess and well this you know ends up corresponding with Stephanie like even if she didn't have an idol she would have a shot in the dark to play that even if she got the writing on the wall. Oh shit, Justin and Kevin and maybe Cedric have flipped. I'll just play my shot in the dark. This is a much more guaranteed thing of like, shit, I'm just gonna use it whenever I feel leery about it. And so that's what makes it fun as well.

To your point, Karen, about having to work around her is that she is kind of cementing herself as even more of a constant in that this is not a situation where it's like, all right, well, now we can just kind of flip and get rid of her if we need to. There is an extra layer of protection there that you really have to be sure to treat her

in the right time time in the right place And make her comfortable enough if that is even a possibility to make sure that she feels safe enough not playing it Yeah, and that's why I did feel like it was the move for Kevin to to flip on say here And and also the move for the pizza guy for the pizza guy. Justin! Who is such a nonentity in this episode. I was gonna say, listen, it's rather surface level, but also he did wear a t-shirt on his first days

on the island that just said pizza on it, which I am obsessed with. Listen, I said it on the draft, and it held true in the episode. I would want him gone, because even if he takes the shirt off, now just looking at him makes me think of pizza. And I don't want to think of pizza if I'm starving on an island. However, based on what we saw, it didn't seem like either Kevin or Justin

had the best relationship with Say. Justin is hiding the fact that he was proposed an alternative plan and Say is like, what do you mean? That doesn't sound right to me. She's clearly sketched out by that. That is not indicative of a very good, trusting relationship. If you don't have the good, trusting relationship with say, then you kind of don't want to say this to continue in considering

that she does have that idol. And then Kevin, from his perspective, given that he's connected to Mary, given that if Stephanie leaves, Mary's the next on the chopping block, that puts him in an immediate do or die situation where you need to flip the vote or you lose a very valuable ally. And that's not a situation you want to be in. So I thought they both had incentive to flip over.

It would have been a great opportunity to do so. The only issue is if the other guy, Cedric, on the tribe, if he maybe turned it down, maybe he wasn't into it, maybe they thought he would be upset. But quite honestly, I'd rather flip the vote, have a four with him on the outs, than be in a spot where, especially if he turns it down

because he's locked in with Say, now all of a sudden it's Say and him with an idol and you need to somehow overturn that to protect Mary. It just puts you in a tricky spot and I think the opportunity was lost here if that was really the case. That's exactly what that I thought should have happened in terms of like the best strategic move for those players. I was talking about it with a friend of mine who similarly had come up with nicknames for everybody. So pizza, but doctor shoulder blonde. And she thought Mary had a tooth gem, which I don't actually know if she has a tooth gem. So that was her name. She's got that sparkling right. Oh yeah. Were you like a little jewel on your tooth? Yeah. That's okay. I don't think she has one, But anyway, so yeah, so we were talking it through.

And so that's yeah, we I enjoy shoulder, but Dr. Pizza and blonde is the names. But I do feel bad for Stephanie that Stephanie has been sort of like just basically assigned her hair color. But also might be the fact that like, again, she was such a presence in the preseason, I think just due to many circumstances, it was not necessarily the most colorful edit for her. It was largely personified to earlier point, Terrin, about the meta of it is like,

she's going to sit back and wear fun hats. And that's it. Yeah, look like she's in the White Lotus and that's about it. I got good audition. I am very curious. So to me, right, the obvious move is to flip on say in the next vote. But then she's got the cryptex idol. So you have to make her feel so, so, so comfortable to ensure that that doesn't happen.

But the say and save. Mm hmm. Yeah. They're an interesting tribe. And again, like, yeah, the issue is like, okay, you can wait one more round and then do it next time. But she's got the idol and you don't know what's gonna happen with vote losses and all kinds of other stuff.

Like all of a sudden somebody got sent to a thing, they lost their vote, there's nothing they can do. Now it's a tie and she has the idol. Like it's just not a position you wanna be in. And you know, the reality is like more often than not, it just means Mary goes at best. And that's not a good place. If you're Kevin, if you're Justin, it's not that bad necessarily. But if you're Kevin, it's really, it's really bad. What did we feel about the cryptex idol? Right. So we've seen so many different variations of this,

you know, day one idol find or like last season where it was the tiered idol, where you got it either one travel council, three travel councils, the full fledged idol. How did we feel about this? The thing that I have been obsessed with ever since I first saw this episode was say, believing that these symbols were part of the landscape of survivor in seasons past when she said, Oh, I thought these were corresponding to street names.

How is it that the guy who has probably never seen an episode in his life was instantly able to clock like, oh, clues, let's hunt the clues guys. And a tribe full of fans was like, yeah, I guess these are just there all the time. Who knew? Yeah, that's why I can't believe we never saw those before. Going down on Turtle Lane or whatever it was. Because I don't even like I guess, you know, I got to visit their camp and I did see the the symbols being painted like they were assigned to specific landmarks, but they don't correspond to the streets.

It wasn't like, OK, make a turn onto Dolphin Avenue and then make a left onto Monkey Court. Like they were all within meters of each other. They would feel like a fairly small town if you decided. Like, I don't know, did she assume that this is how production loosely gave themselves guide points referred to like, all right, go up by the turtle. That's where they are. They're talking.

Well, it does create emergent strategy, right? Because when they hit the merge and they're given painting supplies for the flag, all of a sudden you can start painting your own symbols to mess with the cryptology. I love that. You'd have to have an incredible artist, though, because imagine just like a stick figure on the tree. Yeah, because I mean, they were very clearly like stencil spray painted.

They were very crisp. That would be like that would be the f***ing stick of idle clues of like, no, guys, look, it's Jeff. He's painted over there on that rock. He's telling me where the idol is. I could. I don't hear. You guys on arrow.

I couldn't tell how hard I thought this was right, because we especially going back to last season where we saw sort of like the three three tiered approach where we saw everybody give up before the full and two people say, look, I just need this one time idol. Yeah, because they got caught doing it. Well, yeah, I mean, there were reasons for that. But part of me wonders because if they, do you think that they scaled the hardness

as a consequence of people not going for the full idol in 47? Oh, I do not think it's in response to that. I think it is response to Survivor 46 where people found idols and they did not play them. So it might be, hey, let's make it a little easier for people to find out. So I don't know. It didn't. The thing about these particular idols is that, I mean, we saw that like had Cedric not provided that final clue, Say might still be out there trying out all the various anagrams that she can. And maybe that's why she be a trying to get maybe Cedric should be on the BNB. He's so good at unscrambling.

But this because it's something where the more people are sort of in on it, the more they're able to not only help you with any clues, but also cover for you as well. We saw that a little bit with like Tiffany, who also found an idol in episode one, was able to get like Kenzie to watch her back as she solves her own riddle. And so I think not only does this is this representative of like, say, is gung ho nature in general when it comes to this game, but also I think burgeoned by the fact that she felt, okay, even if I'm gone for a long time and I'm coming off as suspicious, I don't care. I have the majority right now. So like other people we'll see in future episodes

might want to slow roll things a little bit more. I mean, look at someone like Jim, right? Who found the idol in episode three, had them dig in a poop hole for a couple of episodes. And it was like, I'm going to tribal council. Maybe I should finally solve this clue. It just showcases the differences in the way people try to approach these things. Yeah. OK, well, I'm curious to see what the other ones are, because clearly they're not all the same. So we saw like the symbols that actually just straight up gave you the letters and then whatever purple has in store, because I don't think we saw anything from them. But I'm excited by it.

I enjoy a good crypt text. And I'm intrigued by that as well, because 47 had pretty much similar tasks, right? To your point, Leanna, which was like, find this box. Okay, go do this other task and unlock the next box. But 46 and 45 had vastly different tasks. Like if you remember 45, for instance, it was, okay, hold the message up to the bottom of the tribe flag

to reveal the secret message and then go down the beach and do this thing, dig up the machete at the well to find the candle and light it up and throw it into the fire at tribal council and get voted out with it in your pocket. Forty-six was, solve the riddle or dig under the stairs or measure the length of tree mail using a machete and use it to solve a combination lock. They really like to run the gamut with these. So to your point, I am really intrigued to see

what the sliding scale of difficulty is gonna be on these clues. I think they should be harder. I think that, like, when's the last time somebody failed to find an idol? You know what I mean? I know. I think that's the problem is that production

wants them to have the idol, right? But I would love to see it be much more challenging as well. I mean, there was there was one that was not found one of the starting idols in 45. So maybe it was either was really hard or everyone was just so enthralled by Bruce's robot dance that they decided not to look for it. I mostly mean like once they found the the the beware advantage that they then are pretty much always gonna Solve whatever it is to get to the idol or whatever next step of the idol it is. Yeah. Yeah All right. Well, let's get into some of our tried-and-true fair here on the BNB and we got to talk about Stephanie our first boot

Another burger in the new era who goes out in the premiere, playing their shot in the dark. If I had a nickel, I'd have two, which isn't a lot, but it's still weird that it happened twice. Stephanie, obviously a huge character in the preseason. I'm glad we got like a snort on air because I was hoping for a lot more personally, not only her longevity, but also just from a sound editing perspective But Leanna, what were you snorting when you wrote these predictions? How did you think Stephanie?

Don't cold sober, but uh, anyway, are you sure there's been one or two seasons where you admitted that was not the fact? Yeah this season though. We did not drink a bottle of wine before writing our predictions. So I had I did have Stephanie pre jury. And I said, Look, it's not Stephanie's fault that Vula is such a hot mess. It is her fault, however, for failing to connect with her tribe mates after the marooning. As Jeff alluded to in preseason, Stephanie does create a partnership with Mary, but that isn't enough to save her when Vula loses their first immunity challenge. Oh, unlike at her workplace, when Stephanie receives bad feedback from her tribe mates, there is no room for improvement because it comes in the form of being voted out first.

I did say that Stephanie does not play her shot in the dark, believing she is in the majority. Her ally was Mary and her enemy was performance reviews. I was really taken with the fact that she admitted in her preseason interview to you that she was like, yeah, I've gotten bad feedback from employees. I was really taken with the fact that she admitted to that first of all. But I mean, it was like an opportunity for growth. She was like, but I learned from those experiences.

So that was very fun. So then I just channeled that energy here. Yeah. So let's, let's talk about, you know, obviously I couldn't come up with anything because I was there, but here on out, I'm flying blind. Uh, I, you know, made a lot of suppositions based on what I saw out there. So we'll see how much they, they fly or fall. I want to talk about this, this tribal council because listen, it was certainly dramatic in the moment. I think they largely got to like the heart of a lot of the bickering back and

forth. There was at one point where Jeff does ask Cedric, like, is it always tense like this? And Cedric applies like, Oh, there is an undercurrent certainly. But Taron, what was your sense of this tribal council? Like you said, it was a bit of a foregone vote, but did you make anything of like the back and forth that these two had right front and center at Tribal Council? I mean, the biggest thing for me was that, and I'm on the record, like generally hating Tribal Council. I think it's the most boring part of the show by far.

But I mean, especially, and I don't even love the traders, but like they're just way better at this sort of thing. But, and I know it's different for many reasons, but it got interesting when Say and Stephanie started to get into it. But I felt like sort of right as they were getting to the meat of like getting at each other's throats, Jeff is like, Kevin, how do you feel about them arguing? And Kevin's like, well, you know, I just think that we

should all chill. And it's just like, what do we do? Why are we redirecting here? Like, like, let them let them do this, please. Oh, my God. So the host of the 90 day fiance tell all is so bad at that, like, well, they'll be bickering and fighting going on. And then we'll just in the middle ask a totally like question to somebody else. You just like stop doing that. Let them fight like that's the fun part.

So I mean, I will say in the moment, it did kind of feel like it petered out at a certain point, like I think, especially once we got to say admittedly speaking up in the middle of 70s, I just be like, can we drop the stars for a second? Then the conversation kind of dropped. And so Jeff's like, all right, let's get everyone else's reaction to that. Something that was interesting that did not make the edit. But I did ask Stephanie about is in the middle of tribal council, she ends up

kind of spinning say up again by and it's I don't even know if it's like throwing up a Hail Mary or just like trying to gather data as to whether or not the player shot in the dark. She said, I heard most people's name today. Pay attention to those names. You did not hear and say, it was like looking all around, like who said who what's going on? I only heard Stephanie's name. What's going on with my name? And so that kind of helped wind her up again. But yeah, I agree. at least in the moment. And listen, again, I don't think it's comparable to like, Philip and Francesca. Like that's certainly the Goliath to their David here to put one of Kevin's favorite seasons. But like, I don't know,

it still was really interesting to me because this is day three. Like by and large, the First Tribal Council is the one where everyone kind of hides their cards close to their chest, especially in a newbie season, right? Where like, they're still kind of figuring out the lay of the land, not only in the procedural effects of it, but like how to actually go about playing survivor. And the vote itself did kind of feel like holding your cards close to your chest and like, well, Stephanie wasn't vibing with us and she wasn't great in the challenge. So we have to vote her off. But again, it speaks to say that like she is just very brazenly calling out Stephanie's style of play and being like, I know we usually tell people that we don't like to go touch grass, but like don't touch grass here. You should be touching grass back at home.

Don't get in the way of my experience. I mean, it's interesting though, because it felt like those are the only two really participating. So if say it doesn't have an opponent, we'll say create an opponent, right? Is Mary going to be the one who's going to start clapping back if they go back to tribal council? Maybe for what we've seen on social media, the answer could be yes. But yeah, I mean, look, it was a pretty entertaining first tribal council. But, you know, it did, I don't know. It felt a little bit foregone conclusion. But, you know, we'll see where things go from here.

Yeah. I mean, to the point that Stephanie was even like, all right, Sean, the dark. Here we go. Yeah, exactly. Right. Like she had already decided, OK, clearly I'm on the outs. Like I'm going to play this. And then even say clock was happening by saying, I just feel like she played her shot in the dark. So here we go.

Like they were both able to kind of predict the last five minutes of the episode. Yeah. Call them Nostradamus. OK, so I have prepared a game for us to play today. And this episode was big on couples partnerships, duos, right? And this is what Jeff had alluded to in some of the preseason interviews. This season will be dominated by partnerships. So let's see how well the two of you remember classic partnerships on Survivor.

So I think it's only fair that the two of you play together as this is a duo game. You'll be playing as a duo, but I have set a par, but you're trying to get over par, okay? Because it's not like golf, low score does not win. You're trying to get over par. That's the way that we play golf. It's like, no, you're supposed to go over par, OK? This is not like golf. Lowest score does not win. You're trying to get that we play golf. It's like, no, you're supposed to go over, right?

Totally fine. Yeah, that's what I that's what I always say. So I am always winning anyway. So the structure of the game is essentially I have a pair of people, a duo that you were trying to guess, and I will give you clues that have increasing clarity into who that pair might be. So for example, if Charlie and Maria from season 46 were the pair, the clues might be something like this. Both members of this duo have only played survivor once.

Both duo, or this duo's starting tribe has green as its primary color. One member of this duo eliminated the other at final five. Oh, okay. And finally, this duo's relationship was strained after one unexpectedly voted for another contestant to win a final. Okay, so you kind of get an idea.

Here's the answer. Here's the answer. But there's seven, okay, so for each one. So the way the points will work is if you guess it after the first one, you get seven points. If you guess after the next one you get six five four three two one And you can give a guess I will not deduct points you can give a guess after every clue But you can only give one guess so if you give a guess it's incorrect. We're moving on to the next one

Okay, are they now define? What? Bonds these pairs are these alliances are these rival? Are these alliances? Are these rivalries? Are they both alliances? OK, so these are should be ride or dies. Now, you mentioned Charlie and Maria, which is sort of a big asterisk behind it. But yeah, I would say that in the survivor fandom, they are seen as a duo because I chose this list with confirmation from posts on Reddit talking about famous

survivor duos. Okay. So this is not just Liana's random who she's paired together. Okay. The internet is behind me on this one. Okay. Let's start with your first duo and you for you're welcome to talk it out with one another and then officially lock in your guests. So you can throw out names. I won't count that as your guess. This is your first clue for your first duo. This duo won a total of five individual immunity wins. Oh, OK, Taryn, this is interesting because it could theoretically be Colby Donaldson and Tina Wesson

because Colby won five and Tina won zero. Yeah, I feel like it's I feel like there. It's going to be hard to to get it on this, but but yeah, if you if you if we have like a solid, this definitely is five. That's that's that's my me trying to get in. Leon said, like, aha, this is a trick question. It was five and zero. I mean, that might be the case. OK.

What do you think you want? Should I should I put in the guess? Let's put in the unless unless you can think of another one that's exactly five for sure. Yeah, I'm trying to like JT and Steven JT one three, Steven one one. So like, that's not particularly maybe like it could be trying to think like Denise and Malcolm. I think she won two he won two in Philippines I'm assuming I'm assuming like those stats apply to the single season. They were on together, right Leona Or this one. Yes, okay. Okay

Yeah, so I'm trying to think like and then like Richard Rudy was like one in one It's like that's the first thing I can think of is five and oh, let's go for it. All right. Colby Donaldson and Tina Weston. Yeah. OK, your next clue is this duo is on the cover of their DVD box set for the season that they played together. You have to be increasing in difficulty. OK, and also I have no idea how hard this game is. All right. Like, OK, whatever. We're going for it. Anyway, that was your second difficulty. Okay. And also I have no idea how hard this game is. All right, like

Okay, whatever we're going for it. Anyway, that was your second clue. Okay This is so normally like if I was playing big brother, I'd be running through each season but survivor has so many Take forever. I know There's so there's also like Boston Robin Amber I think he won no cuz I think he won. No, because I think he won three in All Stars and she won one. I want to say. But they all stars is tough because I believe everyone was on the DVD cover. Also, like like we had to get into Liana's head, right?

Like, is she just pulling any random one as the first one? Or is it relevant that like, hey, these people were kind of like known for their challenge wins. You know what I mean? So what I would say is that, uh, no, I'm trying to think. So I was thinking Tom and Ian, but I believe Tom also won five on his own. Uh, let's think through some other. Yeah, he was because he's he tied the record.

I think Ian won like two and he won the other five. I'm trying to think of like, no, Todd and Amanda. I think Todd didn't win any. Amanda won. Could it be it could be Parvati and Amanda? So I'm trying to think. I think Amanda won two. I don't think Parvati won three. I think Parvati might have won two as well. Oh, man, this you could also you don't have to guess,

like if you just want to move on and get the next clue, you can. Is that you saying you want to move on and get that? Yeah, I like I think we're making we're making it for the sake of the podcast. Yeah, because I'm just here for the idea of Mike running through every single duo he could think of. Listen, don't don't tend me with a good time. I've got a couple of times here. I know, I know. All right, this duo played together on their original season.

Okay, so original season indicates to me returnees. Right, that they did come back, that both of them came back eventually. Could be. Oh, no, I was going to say, no, Colby and Jerry would not be counted as an alliance, in my opinion, because I think that they big their big storyline was that they could not work with each other in that first season. Played in their original season. Maybe it's like.

They played together in their original season. Okay, so now does this imply that like this is referring to two people in an all-star season? So that takes out Robin Amber. That's the main thing that I'm taking away from this. Okay, I'm going to give you another minute and you have to make a guess. Otherwise I'm reading the next clue. I'm putting you on a shot clock. Let's let's start going backwards from recent.

Yeah, that's a good idea. OK, so Charlie Murray, I'm assuming are going to be out here. We're like a D. So D and Austin could be. But but the DVD covers are not really used in the new era. Like they have that's actually true. But it's like it. But it's just pictures of Jeff in various positions. So I don't think we can use anything in the new era. Like they have- That's actually true. But it's like, but it's just pictures of Jeff in various positions. So I don't think we can use anything from the new era.

Yeah, we have to go back. Now I'm just using like the backwards logic of who has DVD covers going on. Not David versus Goliath, I would say. Ghost Island could be Dom and Wendell. Ooh. That's not a bad guess. Uh, Ghost Island could be Dom and Wendell. Oh. Because I think that's not a bad guess. All right, so we get Dom and Wendell.

That is correct. What? Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, so you get five points for that. Well, very that's very well done. So the other clues that I had was only one member of this duo was a returning player. This duo played together in the 30s seasons of Survivor. One at least one member of this duo has played on tribes with red, blue, purple, green and black buffs. So the black was like the giveaway.

And then this duo became the first final two to tie votes at the final tribal council, which is like the let me just tell you exactly who it is. So congratulations. It was very well done. You get a which we take a brief tangent here because I obviously the first set of things to vote on from Survivor 50 came up. And I think that obviously I'm not going to put too many words in people's mouths, but I think there are certain things that, you know, all of us are going to vote on. But can we talk about colors for a second here?

I don't feel you voted for me. Yes. So B is what orange like turquoise and like some people are saying this is pink. Some are saying it's purple. It's purple. It looks more purple to me. Yes. But I saw a lot of people say it was pink. It's purple. I think it's I think it's because it's purple. I've seen people, especially after the announcement was made,

that tribe colors will be something to vote on. They have been waiting to have another pink bump since by on in Cambodia. And so they're like, this looks pink. It's got to be pink, right? Please let it be pink. Yeah, that's what I voted for. I didn't like the stoplight. The I see. I see. I like the traffic light.'t like the stoplight. The I see I see I like the traffic light. I like the traffic light.

What's that opening monologue is like, you got it. Go, go, go once the light turns. But like imagine being on the Red Tribe. You're just like, stop. Don't do anything. Don't know. Actually, that would be a very interesting way to cast would be like, you know, survivor, stop, look and listen of like, all right, you are the red tribe. You are known for not making big moves when you should have. You're the yellow tribe. You waited a little too long and great tribe. You overplay the hell out

of your game. Let's see if you can work together here. I mean, I could see it, especially if this is during like the heroes, healers, hustlers era of, you know, trying to come up with themes, then I could totally see that one work. Yeah, I've seen the most support for B personally. Yeah, so have I. I'm fine with AA was the color scheme for I think Survivor 42. But like we've seen green and orange paired together so much that I think we're we're looking to mix it up a little bit.

I just love the teal. I'm obsessed with the teal buff. I want that one. I do like that one. Okay, let's move on to your next duo. This duo was one of the defining elements of their season. Ooh. So Colby and. Yes, Colby and Tina.

Colby and Tina, Colby and Tina. Yeah, I mean, it's not a bad first guess. I mean, there's so many. Yeah, because one of the defining ones, I mean, I guess it is. It's something that's on the level of like a Dom and Wendell. The other one I would think would be like a Steven and JT in terms of just how much it defined like it was the two of them really against the world seemingly.

Yeah, that's probably the like if you were thinking of who is the most defining duo, Steven and JT probably up there Yeah, so we'll say it will say Steven and JT for this first one. Okay, that is incorrect Okay, the next clue when on the same tribe this duo only voted differently once When on the same tribe this duo voted differently only once. Okay. That implies that they were not on the same tribe at some point. Right, that they either got split apart or they were starting on different tribes and

eventually voted together. You'd assume, what if it's like Malcolm and Denise? It could be Malcolm. Yeah, I don't think they ever, I think the only time they voted separately was when they voted for each other. You'd assume. What if it's like Malcolm and Denise? It could be. Yeah, I don't think they ever. I think the only time they voted separately was when they voted for each other. Hmm. I think that's a good guess. Let's go, Malcolm and Denise. That is incorrect.

This duo contains one winner. Oh, I'll come in the news. OK. So just trying to breeze through the winners right now, I mean, could be like Jenna and Heidi, maybe from the Amazon. I'm trying to think of when they would have voted separately. They've defined the season, though. Yeah, I guess that's a good point. Or maybe like this is guess it's a very subjective

or like Sandra, Sandra and Rupert. I don't think their relationship really defined this season. Plus, they they only they spent time on the same tribe together. And to your point, I'm just going off of like the when they were on the same tribe. Mm hmm. Could be Parvati and Amanda, because I think the only time that they voted separately was during the Ozzy vote. Would you would you say that to find the season though? I feel like.

Yeah, that's tough because it's like it was like poverty Amanda and siree. Exactly. Let's see could be I mean, and that's tough because like, you should be like, is it Todd and Courtney or Todd and Amanda? You know, and they stayed on the same tribe the entire time. Trying to think of duos that spent time apart from each other. Yeah, at a certain point. Did Robin Amber Robin Amber?

They I don't think they ever voted separately. I don't think they did get split apart. I'm trying to think if there was like a time where Rob throughout because that was on the idol era. So it's not like they even split boats or anything like that. OK, you have 20 seconds to give me a guess. I'm reading you the next clue. I think you just read the next clue at this point.

Yeah. Each. OK, each member of this duo has played twice. Okay, you have 20 seconds to give me a guess. I'm reading you the next clue. I think you just read the next clue at this point. Yeah, each. Okay. Each member of this duo has played twice. Each member twice and only twice. Twice and only twice. Okay, this is good. Okay, so this eliminates a lot of people.

Okay, so that we have obviously made a guess not coming days before, but that eliminates them trying to think of like, all right, let's try to think through all the winners right now and how many times that they played. This actually, okay, could it be, and it wouldn't be Ben, because you could say like Ben and Chrissy, but like they very much voted separate from each other towards the end. I'm just thinking out loud here. Could be. Michelle and somebody know my call away.

No, could be Natalie and no, because Jeremy was in a pair with Natalie. Tony. We like Tony and no, Tony and who I think voted together the entire time. Maybe like Tyson and Jervis, maybe? But that didn't define the season. How dare you? Yeah, sorry to the coconut bandit fans out there. And Tyson played more than twice. Now I'm trying to think about who has come back.

Each person has played twice. Each person has played twice. Each person has played twice. I'm now going to read your next clue. This duo played together on two different seasons of Survivor. They played together or in that they were on a season together, then they went on to be on a season together. OK, so it's not we've maybe been thinking about it wrong. Given that they played twice together, they might have been on one tribe

one entire time. Yes. But then different tribes a second time. But they've only played twice. So both times they played on the same season as each other. Yes. Could it be like. Be like Lex and Ethan or something. Hmm. You know, like, I'm just trying to think about those early pairs.

Yeah, I don't I still know if they. Oh, could it be like Rudy, Rudy and Richard Hatch, maybe? So I don't know if they ever voted separately from each other. Um. Oh, you know what? May know what they did, they did, because in the very first. So in the very first vote. Yes, yes, yes. Because Rich voted for Stacey. Let's go for it. Richard and Rudy.

Ding, ding, ding. There we go. Yes, yes, yes. That is correct. Yes. So the other clues were one member of this duo was on House of Villains and this duo contains the first winner of Survivor. I love that the last one is like, oh, here you go. Come on. Yeah. We just tell you what it is. OK. I'll tell you, you're still like on track for par, okay?

So you're still doing quite well. This is your next duo. One member of this duo attended the wedding of the other member of the duo. Okay, so this is a swinging bachelor, a bachelorette who got married afterwards and had their person in their, in attendance, I should say. In attendance, I don't know whether or not they were actually

a part of the wedding party. I don't think so. I think Justin. OK, so they didn't get married. Yeah, he did not. They were in the show. About that, Amber was at Austin Robb's wedding because she was the bride. Like, that's very much like Tuesday has three sisters. What's the name of the mother? Yeah.

I mean, is Stephen Stephen and JT. So I think the the thing is that Liana said they weren't in the party. I'm pretty sure Stephen like ordained JT ceremony. So I'm not sure if that would count for Liana or not. Mm hmm. If she's shaking her head, no. So I think that would so that would not that would count as part of the wedding party. You mean like that would count as part of the wedding party. OK. Yeah. So yeah, I think the fact that she was like, I'm not sure if they were part

of the wedding party. Right. Yeah. OK. So I'm trying to think about like what famous survivor people had gotten married since being on the show. Could be something like Tyson could be another Tyson and Jervis situation where like, I don't know if Jervis went to Tyson and Rachel's wedding. I'm assuming so. Did they get married before or after? Yeah, actually maybe.

No, yeah. After. Because she was still on the show. She was Tyson girlfriend because after that was the whole marriage boot camp. We proposed her. Oh, right. Yes, of course. Your next clue. Yeah, thank you. This duo formed a larger alliance of four on their original season. They formed a larger line, so they were a pair within a larger alliance of four on their original season. They formed a larger line, so they were a pair within a larger alliance of four.

Correct. And it implies again that they returned at least one of them returned. OK, so trying to think of like. Now famous foursomes, one of whom got married, slowly narrowing the gap here. some one of whom got married slowly narrowing the gap here. This duo played together in the first 20 seasons of Survivor, inclusive. Including Heroes versus Villains, OK, correct.

But it was their original season that they were together and formed a group before. It couldn't be like. Aris and Surrey. I guess it was Surrey at Aris's wedding, maybe. And I went through the Instagrams, but I don't know. I don't know if people would count that as a duo, you know, like, I think that was really like a stronger part. Maybe it was something like, see, I would say like Amanda and James,

but like, I don't know. People don't know what James Clement is doing in his day to day life, let alone if he went to Amanda's wedding. I mean, it could be it'd be time. I mean, Ian and Tom again. Ian and Tom could be a good one, though. I don't know. I guess they did form an alliance of four, kind of, could be like Courtney and Todd.

I imagine that Todd went to Courtney's wedding. All right, can you give us another one, Liana? Should we just guess Courtney and Todd? Yeah, Courtney and Todd. That is incorrect. This duo contains one winner who returned to play on winners at war. OK, perfect. So let's just go through.

OK, so could be Nick, could be Nick Wilson. And who? I'm trying to think of like, could be him and him and him and Davey, maybe they formed an alliance of four. I'm assuming that Davey attended Nick's wedding. Oh. All right. Well, they might be honest sarcasm. I would imagine that is not the case. Try to think so. OK, so Ben, no, no. Sarah Lucina was already married and Tony was already married.

I will remind you this duo played together in the first 20 seasons of Survivor. You are right. Okay. So now we're going old school here. It's not Danny. Not it wouldn't be Danny. It wouldn't be, it could be Ethan. If, if somebody went, if one of the original people went to Ethan's wedding, you know, and if they formed an alliance of four, that could have been the four Baran people that.

Would you say, would you say it's wedding, you know, and if they formed an alliance of four, that could have been the four Baran people that. Who's his duo, though? Would you say? Would you say it's like I would probably say Lex at that point? But you look like a stretch. Could be a. No, not Sandra. So maybe Sandra went to somebody's way. Could be Parvati. Could be poverty could have went to somebody's wedding. Parvati. Could be Parvati.

Could be. Parvati could have gone to Amanda's wedding. I'm not sure, again, how any of us would know that. But maybe Leon. In their original season. Oh, yeah, they played together in their original season where they formed an alliance of four. Could be Yule.

Yule and Becky. Becky. Could be Yule and Becky. If Yule and Becky Becky could be you'll and Becky. Let's go for it. You'll and Becky. That is correct. Yeah. That was great. Around like the sweet spot is like four to five clues in. Yeah, that's where I set par.

So like, I'm actually very curious to see what ends up happening here. OK, so yeah, the other clues were one member of this duo participated in a fire making challenge at Final Four. One member of this duo took forever to make fire at Final Four. Like that's just parenthetical to the last clue. And one member of this duo is said to have possessed the God Idol.

So yeah, you're doing all right. You're halfway done. Okay, you're excelling at this. You've got three left. Here is your next clue. This duo's combined age at the time of filming their season was 66 years. Okay, so this is like someone in their 40s and their 20s. This could be 30s.

Yeah, we're definitely in the range of 20 to 40, which is most. Could be a 56 year old and a 10 year old. Yeah, exactly. Like my kid told Tina Colby gets could be a one year old and a 55 year old. That iconic duo. All right. I'm trying to. OK. You mean it.

OK, I will read that. It's blue. Yeah. This duo has only played together once. OK. Only played together once. OK, only played together once. Now, this could be a trick question of they only played once in general, or this could be what they play more than once or like at least one of them is going on to play again. If we if we don't come up with anything else like Tom and Ian might work here.

Tom and Ian could possibly work as Ian I think was in his kids 20s and Tom might have been in like his 30s or 40s So I think that's as good of a guess as any so we'll say we'll say Tom and Ian Okay, that is incorrect your next clue this duo has played a combined total of five Times a combined total of five times. A combined total of five times. They only played together once. Boston Rob and someone who has not been on the show yet, that iconic duo. Yeah. Okay, so we could get, we could do like a...

I was testing Puy on these and he was like, Boston Rob and Boston Rob's daughter. That iconic duo. Yeah. Okay, so yeah, this is gonna limit limit like, obviously we're gonna take out, it can't be like Sandra and one, you know, the one time player, you know, I think it's in order for it to be iconic duo. So combined five times, that would be Denise and Malcolm, because Malcolm played three times and he's played two times. Denise was 40 something Malcolm was I don't know if he was super young. Denise was the oldest winner. And I think she was like in her mid 40s. Malcolm was, I don't know if he was super young.

Denise was the oldest winner, and I think she was like in her mid 40s. So like unless Malcolm. He needed to be like 20 at the time. I think he was like 23. So like there's a chance actually that it could be Malcolm and Denise. Let's go for it.

Malcolm and Denise. That is correct. Yeah baby. All right. Yes. Yeah, so the other clues were both members of this duo made it to final four in their original season. One member of this duo came in fourth place in one season and was also voted out fourth in another season. So that was the Malcolm clue. This duo sparked the idea of a now infamous strategy based on a tribe name, Matt St. Intentional, Matt Singh. And then the one member of this duo is the oldest

female winner in survivor history. So. Was it so I like forty three and twenty three for Malcolm and Denise, something like that? Mm hmm. Yeah. Like forty two and twenty four or something. Yeah, I don't have the numbers right here, but when I did the math yesterday, that's what it was. So we're going to hope that's correct. Well, they are one day older now. I know, right.

But it was at the time of filming. So technically those ages are static. All right. Here's your next duo. This duo has won a total of 19 reward challenges. Jesus Christ. Are we talking like tribal and individual together or as individuals as both tribal and individual across their survivor career. Like, like, were they, were they together when they won or just, yeah, across their career, across their career.

Okay. I mean, okay. Great. So at least one of them has played a bunch of times. Yeah. Or it's like, uh, these could be Corro could be Corors, you know, they won a bunch. I mean, Coror won like I mean, Coror did not win 19 rewards or something. In order to win 19, I think you'd have to play like at least three times. Yeah. So I think that's something to keep like for one for one player, at least. And you'd have to win a ton. So it could be Colby and someone else because Colby did play, you know, three seasons. Colby and Tina.

It could honestly be Colby and Tina. Imagine the night team reward challenges with our clue to Colby and Tina. Sure. All right. Colby and Tina. That is incorrect. Both members of this duo are returning players. Okay, well.

So Boston Robb and Amber, I think is also possible. That's definitely a good one. He might've won too many, to be honest, but 19 does still feel like a lot. Well, remember his first season, he didn't win basically any. And the second season won a lot, third season didn't win many,

fourth season won a lot, and then fifth season was there for like five episodes. So like there's a there's a fair chance that. He could he's like he's taking up the vast majority of the 19, but that 19 would be like a fair number for it. So we'll we'll drop the hammer on Boston Robin Amber. That is incorrect. One member of this duo has played the Traders.

Oh, OK. Austin, Rob and Amber. Yeah, I hate it when my answer works for the next clue. You're going to love the next one, too. Then this could be like a Tony and Sarah where I'm trying to think it could be Jeremy, could be Jeremy and Natalie, because you could also that would also apply, you know, to winners at war and second chances for the 19 reward challenges.

Otherwise, it would be like making the list here. Surrey in blank. Stephanie LaGrosse in blank. Harvardian blank. Sandra in blank. And then Jeremy Boston Robbs already counted out. Boston Robb, Jeremy, Carolyn, which I don't think Carolyn, someone else have won 19 awards. It's gotta be Tony or Jeremy or Parvati, right? Yeah, I would say those are the three.

I guess the question is, Jeremy made a deep cut in all three seasons. And I guess Parv is, you know, Jeremy, Jeremy made a deep cut in all three seasons and I guess poverty would would as well that would put it out there like Tony has made it to the end and one twice, but he also flamed out and didn't win a challenge at all in his second season. I don't think it's Tony. I, or maybe like, yeah, I, so Jeremy or poverty, I think are the two that I'm between right now. Yeah. It would be Jeremy and Natalie or poverty and Amanda, probably. Yeah, probably poverty and Amanda, because I think that's the one

that they most closely associate with her. And that would also. Yeah. Maybe you try poverty, Amanda. I mean, Amanda, that is incorrect. OK, your next clue. This duo has played Survivor a combined total of seven times. Several. OK, played Survivor total of seven times. Several, okay. Played survivor a combined seven times.

So it can't be Tony and Sarah. No, because that would be six. It can't be Jeremy and Natalie. Because that would be five. I mean, Parvati and Amanda would have been seven. Right. Uh, okay. So 19 reward challenges,

both returning players, one member of this duo has played the Traders. I mean, let's go back to Suri here. So Suri, four time player, someone else a three time player. I don't even know who Suri's duo other than Ares, maybe, but even that's like. Could it be like, no, not Michaela because Michaela only played survivor twice.

Yeah, I don't know who her, her duo would be. Are we missing a survivor player? All right. So let me think again. It is Suri. It is Stephanie. It could be Sandra again though. Sandra would be five times

versus two times and also like who's Sandra's oh no Sandra Sandra's four times Sandra's four times but yeah and Sandra it'd be Sandra and Rupert and Rupert's only play and Rupert's also played four times and then Tony Jeremy Carolyn Boston Rob Tony, Jeremy, Carolyn, Boston Robb. Could it be no? Oh, man. All right. Another one. Another one.

Another one. I went okay in terms of the number of times played survivor in general. Survivor the game of I so that's Sandra because Australian Survivor counts for Sandra. That's five. Okay. Yeah. B is it Sandra and Courtney? Yes. That's okay. There we go. Thank you. Thank you. I realized I was like, oh, because I counted her time and I also counted that for the reward challenges, but that's neither here nor there. Yeah. Both members of this duo are known for their amazing confessionals.

One member of this duo first played between seasons five to 10, and one member of this duo was the first two time winner of Survivor. All right, so let's see, let me do the points. Yeah, how are we doing right now? We got one left, right? Okay, so you have one, okay.

So you have one left. Your current score is 21, PAR is set at 23. Okay, so you need to get three points. The opposite. So yeah, because you get seven for the first one that you guess on. Okay, so I think that this is highly likely for you, but this one's, yeah, I'm interested to see how this one's gonna go. Oh boy.

This duo has won a combined total of two individual immunities. Of two individual immunities. OK, there's a chance this might be new era, if that's the case. You know, unless this is just like a god awful pair of challenges and of multi-time players. I mean, like Jesse and Cody? How many they went to mind? Cody won, I think Cody may have won two. So that could certainly be a possibility.

I mean, you could include Suri in there because she never won an individual immunity. Mm-hmm. But yeah, and then again, it's like, who are you pairing her with? All right, well, let's see. Maybe we'll get a cue, like returning players or not. But can we just say Jess and Cody, Jesse and Cody?

That is incorrect. One member of this duo used an extra vote advantage. Oh, pointing to new era. Yes. And that would not be so Stephen. Yes. Extra vote, not vote steal. Can we clarify, Leona? Let me check. But I think it's just an extra vote, not vote steal. Can we clarify, Leona? Let me check. But I think it's just an extra vote.

Just because I would say, well, Stephen A used a vote steal and B also we talked about with him and JT, JT had one three individual immunities. So that wouldn't count. It is just an extra vote. It is not career immunities, right? Correct. So it could be Ricard, if I'm remembering correctly, I believe Ricard won two individual immunities. And Shan.

And Shan, yeah, those are the two that I would, that I could think of in the moment. Go for it. Ricard and Shan. Okay, that is incorrect. Okay. One member of this duo received the SIA prize slash award slash money. Oh, okay. So let's think through this back when that existed. Ty could be Ty.

I think that Ty did win. No, he won too many immunities, right? I think he won two across his two seasons, but then that would imply like if it's Aubrey, like I don't, I think Aubrey has won at least one. Uh, though I think I'm trying to remember, did Ty have an extra vote? I don't think he did. Uh, so Ty, we have Keith Nail, but I think Keith has won more than two individual immunities.

We have, let's see, Donathan, which I don't think I don't think she'd do to go style in pairs. Someone like Davey or trying to think of season 38. Like Rick Devons could be in there, but Rick Devons one more than two individual immunities, I think. Let's see. 39, 40. Let's go into the 40s here.

So, Dre, I would not consider her really part of a duo. Yeah, because and she didn't win two individual immunities. We already guessed. You can receive two more clues to still beat par if you'd like to. Get your next clue. Should we just throw out a duo? Sure, Ty and Aubrey. Ty and Aubrey is incorrect. One member of the duo

played two individual immunity idols in one tribal council. Oh, so it's tie. Is it like tying Caleb? Maybe like tying beastman cowboy. Um, like that is by far the one with the least amount of tenure to it, but I'm sure one of the clues is going to be like one voted the other out at their second season, which is what happened on Game Changers.

Maybe I tied tying Caleb. OK, that is incorrect. Oh, come on. So mad at me. One member of this duo never cast a vote at tribal. Number of the duo never cast a vote at tribal. Number of the duo never cast a vote at tribal, like ever in their survival career ever. Is it a player?

Is it time fucking mark the chicken? Yeah. The top duo on every fucking Reddit post was like, tie and mark the chicken, tie and mark the chicken, tie and mark the chicken. I was like, the survivor fans have spoken. We must include tie and mark the chicken. So the other clues are the ones that like,

very obviously give it away. One member of this duo named the other one and much to Omar's delight, one member of this duo has a cloaca. Oh, I love that. I like the idea of one of them named the other one as an early clue, because we would have thought like parent child. Yeah. Oh, that's a great. Yes. Oh, OK. This is your nickname now. I'm giving you this nickname on the island.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Very astute, Taryn. Yes, it was Mark the chicken. But congratulations to both of you. What a successful duo. I'm very surprised you did much better than when we were play testing this. So I'm very, very proud of both of you. I mean, credit to Mike, the encyclopedic knowledge there.

This is why I'll create a game that I think is going to be so hard and then Mike gets it right away. So it's just so difficult to make. This is the only realm where I am allowed to be impressive in my life. Like the other 99 percent of my days are spent just being incredibly underwhelming and out of my element. This is the one time I get to step in and be like dress up like Batman and be like, this is my city. This is the one time I get to step in and be like dressed up like Batman and be like this is my Gotham City. This is my environment.

I love it. Well, congrats. Well, congrats to you, Leanna. That was a that was an awesome game. Those are some very very good clues. Okay, good. I'm glad you had fun. Well before we go off into the sunset as night takes over Batman's true, uh fancy paradise, uh, Taran, I will turn to the other member of my duo here at the end of every podcast here on the B&B. We ask our guests to highlight a charity or cause that is important to them to look at outside of all of these island-based silliness that we're usually talking about.

What would you like to highlight this week? I mean, listen, there's a lot going on. Really pick a pick, yeah, there's a lot going on. Really pick a pick. Yeah. I'm going to pick from. Yeah. I obviously have a lot of friends in the trans community and they are particularly under attack. They have been for a long time. Things are getting worse and worse, especially under this current administration. So I don't have a specific charity, but the cause, if you can find one that that works for you, maybe a local one or just in general,

you know, educate yourself if you're kind of if you don't know a lot about the subject and, you know, support anybody that you know, be open to learning new things. Yeah, very, very well said. Well, Taryn, thank you for coming on again for the first time again in 10 seasons when it was a very different game of Survivor, it felt like to refresh things definitely will not be waiting until Survivor 58 to have you back on.

But I know that despite the fact that there is no Big Brother on the air, you are keeping these streets full of Big Brother chatter. For those that are not aware, why don't you highlight the project that you've been doing for the first half of 2025? Yes, well we've been running through all of the past seasons of Big Brother much easier to do than Survivor because there's half of them. And so we've been doing one every week leading into Big Brother 27. Most recently, I talked with Mike Bloom here, as well as Jenny, about season nine, which is, I believe we described it as the Gabon of Big Brother. And there was a lot Gaboning going on in the feed as well. And it turned into quite quite the epic podcast.

You can check that one out next week. We are going to be talking about Big Brother 10, widely considered to be the best season of the show. So very excited for that one as well. So check, check that out. And what else do you have going on? Because you're always putting your face and your voice out there, even again,

when there's no house to be looking at at the moment. Yes, well, I stream live during Survivor episodes. So if you've ever wanted to go to a watch party, but maybe you don't have one around you, or maybe you don't like being places physically with large groups of people. You can do it virtually and hang out with me. I'm reacting to the episode live.

There's a chat, you can hang out. I do that on Twitch and now also on YouTube. So you can go to either one depending on your preference. It's a lot of fun. We try to predict like what's gonna happen in the episode and all kinds of good stuff like that. And then I've also got some other podcasts going on, like the pacemakers. We talk about scripted television.

And yeah. Awesome. Liana, what's going on with you this week? Drag race. Roll rolling along down the runway. Yes. Yes. A drag race is going strong. We just recorded our episode nine content. So that's out there. It's been our third design challenge of the season, which is kind of wild.

But we have a lot of really good queens for design challenges. So it's been OK. Do you think if Justin designed a queen to walk out with a t-shirt that just said drag on it, do you think it would put her in the top or give her the win overall? Well, we did have a queen lucky stars who did like a full pizza get up. So I think they could there could be some connection there in terms of the pizza, The pizza connection. Um but

anyway, yeah. Oh, actually love that. So, to Terrence's point about the charities, if you're looking for a trans charity, Trans Lifeline was actually highlighted by the show as well. That's what I think got my competed for. Um or I don't remember who can do it. Anyway, whatever. So, that's a good one. I've donated to them before but yeah, Drag Race is going strong and then we and I are doing the Puy and Leona Lounge. So, if you want a little break from reality TV content and just want to hang out with the two of us talk about

random nonsense, you can check that out on YouTube or audio version. Everything you need is at PuyandLeona.com. And of course, got a lot of stuff going on for you with Survivor, all the fixings, as I mentioned before, I put out a few pieces around everything that didn't necessarily make the edit from the opening, of course, had the great chance of day to talk with Stephanie, who put out a few pieces around everything that didn't necessarily make the edit from the opening, of course, had the great chance of day to talk with Stephanie, who is such a delight, as always, such fun spirits. I would have even on the island, Leona, I was like, this is a B&B guest in the making.

I don't know even know when she finishes. I'm going to watch her walk out the door three days later, but she has that caliber. Okay, but was she the one who gave you the idea for the Jeff Probst on fire game? Because when I was listening to her interview, she brought that up. And I was like, we played that game. But Mike had Mike did the interview.

But then timelines are all mismatched because I was like, but Mike just did the interview. But no, Mike did not just do the interview. Mike did the interview way back in spring of last year. Yeah, it was so very belated. Thank you to Stephanie Berger for giving me that idea of taking Jeff Probst's cast assessment and trying to figure out who he was talking about, which will hopefully become a staple moving forward. So a lot of great stuff from Stephanie, including her insights as to the fate that befell her. So absolutely check that out. And again,

reality TV has really been revving up like it started hitting us hard at the beginning of January and we're kind of saying goodbye to that. But in its place, another show will be premiering right And again, reality TV has really been revving up. Like it started hitting us hard at the beginning of January and we're kind of saying goodbye to that. But in its place, another show will be premiering right after Survivor on Wednesday night, The Amazing Race. And you know, myself, Jessica Leis and my Closet of Costumes will be back to talk to the 14 new teams on this season of surprises.

Taryn, I don't know if it's the most twist-filled season of Amazing Race, but they're promising a surprise every single episode. Oh boy, is the surprise, listen, I haven't loved the 90 minutes, is the surprise that we're back to 60? So they are now structuring the episodes as if they were 90 minute episodes, unlike last time, where they were very much trying to fit a 60 pound,

you know, 60 minutes of content into a 90 pound bag and definitely doing some stuff. They are plotting for that and they're throwing in a bunch of throwbacks to old parts of the Amazing Race, including some new ones as well. So, Justin, I'll be there to walk you through every single thing that comes that way.

And of course I'll be doing exit press as well. But that for Parade.com. And I'm sure plenty more reality TV stuff on the horizon. As we've been talking about, it's all happening, including with Survivor. We just got started here. There's already so much to dig into. These people are proving themselves already

to be people that are willing to play from the beginning, either to their betterment or their detriment. And no matter what, we're gonna be having fun each and every week, breaking it all down here on the BNB. And if you have any ideas of what we should do, if you want to be that proverbial Stephanie Berger feeding me ideas out in the jungle of Fiji, you already need to go out to Fiji.

If you don't want to just send us an email. R.H.A.P. BNB at gmail.com save yourself the airfare. Or you can always on social media to use the hashtag R.H.A.P. BNB as well. No idea is too small or too ludicrous. Special thanks to the entire team behind the scenes here at RHAP for packaging this podcast for your eyes and your ears. Oh, and one more thing, Australian Survivor

has been wackadoo. We've got another week of wackadooness, so Shannon and I will be talking about that as well. If you are missing your Survivor fix now in between Wednesday nights, very much recommend you check out Australian Survivor fix now in between Wednesday nights, very much recommend you check out Australian Survivor. There will be a new gaggle of episodes that are coming out in the next few days. One is already out at this moment and that is a very very wild season

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