RHAP: We Know Survivor - Teeny Chirichillo on Survivor B&B: Survivor 49 Episode 9

Episode Date: November 23, 2025

This week, Mike and Liana are joined by Teeny Chirichillo for Episode 9 of Survivor 49!

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and some people might have been yelling nine at the screen when they saw all the things that a lot of people were doing in this episode. A bit of a contentious vote out, an idol, not flushed. Yet again, the idle toilets clogged at this point. and there's no plunger in a site. There might be a plunger considering the fried chicken reward. I don't know what's going on.

There's so many red flags in this intro. Everybody. What, the German? For some reason. The German to start and the fried chicken toilet analogy. You know it's an episode of the B&B. And of course, the Mliplos stones you just heard, is my partner in crime here,

who I would always give a reward to no matter what, Leona Boris. Yeah, I also wouldn't be surprised if you were like, and I've also been having weird dreams about chickens. Surprise, surprise. Poor Canolos dose. Well, I am thrilled to be bringing this person and making his B&B debut as well. We're bringing a lot of newbies in to the B&B this season.

Now, of course, this weekend is the opening of the much anticipated sequel, Wicked for Good. One year ago, we saw him donning scarecrow pants on the islands of Fiji. It is Tini from Survivor 47. Hi, guys. I am so stoked to be here. And honestly, less about talking about the episode, which I'm super excited to do, but more to just hear these analogies and segues and Mike isms. Like, this is incredible. Do you want a kangaroo metaphor?

I was really hoping that you have one. Oh, I'm sorry to leave you hopping mad that there wasn't one. That was wild. That was wild. That had my jaw on the floor. like from the second the hands went up space or kangaroo to the denial of there being a kangaroo one at all like that was a crazy moment that was just insane I would love to have known what was going through Stephen's head where he was like okay obviously I have a space metaphor what's like the other category I'm going to go with of course it's a kangaroo of all things I think why would he think after a day of space right because they were talking about space for a long time out there that Jeff wouldn't throw the curve ball and

choose the other thing. So maybe having something prepared, I don't know, that was truly, that was wild. I mean, I don't know, part of me is like as maybe a connoisseur of stupid canned bits, as you've experienced in the first two minutes of this podcast, like, this does sound like something that Stephen has tried out a number of times of like, all right, I've got a blank metaphor and a kangaroo metaphor. Go with the camera one. Oh, it's too bad. I only have space metaphors. Like that sound, Stephen is essentially like a dad joke in waiting. Like he, the moment he becomes a father. And I'm saying when not it, because it just feels like that energy is naturally bred into him. He already has these types of things for days. And so it does feel like he was kind

trotting that up, but it came very out of nowhere. And, uh, you know, we are talking a bit about how maybe Survivor 49 is, is starting to have the, uh, the seam show a little bit, right? The Botox is wearing off. We're starting to see the wrinkles a little bit on the face of the new era and maybe that's not nowhere more apparent than the fact that someone is literally saying a tribal council like hey jiff i'm going to give you two choices of metaphor since i know that's essentially what tribal council is nowadays a venue for metaphors that is the metaphor for the new era honestly yeah it is nothing about metaphors yeah do we like ban metaphors moving forward after after 50 no more no more metaphors i don't know if you saw there's a clip from a tyson's podcast this

week where he, I think it was his co-host Riley proposition that that like, you should get a disadvantage at the next challenge if you make a metaphor a tribal council. I just don't understand where they come from. Honestly, like, I actually remember having some anxiety going out there being like, I cannot produce a survivor

related metaphor on the fly like that. Like, I just, my brain, even as like a writer, like I just can't, I can't do it. I don't know how there's like, there seems to just be no drying of the well when it comes to this one. Well, I think it comes with the preparation. You need to practice fire. You are right about that. You need to have at least

five to six metaphors banked up there in the noggin. You are right about that. Yeah. Well, whether it be using metaphors analogies or just plain old literal language, Tina, I want to hear your thoughts about 49 so far because believe it or not, there's only a month left of this season.

So how do you feel about the way things have been taking shape, especially these past couple of votes as sort of improbable on the surface as they have been? Okay. So I'm listening to quite a lot of podcasts, which already gives you good tell about how I feel about the season. Because like after, you know, the craziness of my season and then immediately 48 following it, I took a step back. Like I am quite invested in this season. I am really enjoying it, especially the last few episodes. Like I remember watching the murder. episode and like you know it's a good episode of nothing like crazy nothing like the banana etiquette but because it was a blindside on Nate it was like a division of tribes like it did in some ways feel like a return to classic survivor and so I feel like I've come away from the past three episodes being very excited to see what the reaction to the vote will be the next week being very like either frustrated by some of the decisions, confused about some of the decisions,

but like ultimately just feeling something, having like emotions evoked for me, being able to put myself into different people's positions and like what would I do? Like, wow, how is he doing that? That was something I couldn't do ever. Like how is Sophie not telling anyone about this? Like, is she going to use it this week?

Like there are quite a few different angles and pathways and relationships that have me, hooked. And I feel like a lot of people are sort of being hard on this season. And yes, there's some, like, quirkiness that doesn't like strike super well with me that I, if I were out there would have had a really hard time putting on a brave face being around. But there is also just like an unfolding of the dynamics that's like super intriguing to me that I'm excited to come back to week to week. And maybe that doesn't sound like a high bar. But like, you know, it's for me to still be able to watch the show

and be hooked by some of the things that are going on, I think that's like incredible. I think I'm in on the post merge of 49 for short. I'm in. I think you highlighted two key points that stand out for me about the season, which are dynamics and decisions. Like that's kind of the, that's the buckets I put it in because I think what we're seeing

is what I thought would have been of, that's my D&D, love it. Hopefully they can roll a 20, let's go. Okay, so I don't know, saving through whatever. So look, the point is, is that I think it's like, I'm so, I was going to say frustrated, but yes, frustrated and fascinated by the individual decisions that are being made, which is, of course, regulated by the dynamics. So, like, I'm looking at what I perceive to be, like, clear groups of people and then seemingly others acting not in their best interests, given the dynamics, which goes back to their decisions that they're making. So I think, like, the key example from this particular episode would be, say, Ginger Wan. Right.

What are we doing here? Right. Or maybe it's Christina trusting Sophie B with just telling her straight out the plan, which from our perspective, we see how close Sophie B is to Rizzo and Savannah. So I'm like, Christina, girl, what are you doing? So again, decisions and dynamics, I think that that's a perfect way to encapsulate, especially this post-merge, it's just been so wacky. Yeah, I agree with that. And I mean, there is, again, this improbable aspect of how the hell Rizzo is getting away with not playing a public idol for now three weeks in a row. I mean, I don't know.

I know he says that like, okay, we just need to get through this mode and then we'll use it next time. The way things are going, I think there's a wildly, a very fair chance that he will either use the idol at the final five or not use it at all just to like really drive the point home. But I agree that I think that they kept talking about. that it's fluid, it's fluid. And it really does seem like everyone is approaching each day from more of an individual standpoint, not even from like, okay, who do I want to work with? But like, who is a threat to my game? I, you know, that's where I guess the Sage and Juana of it all comes in is that they felt for whatever reason more threatened by Alex. They felt that was the opportunity to strike at Alex as opposed to keeping in Rizzo for that moment.

Sophie S. Sophie, just one word is apparently now really, this free agent and being motivated by that. What you say? She got LASIC. She got LASIC. I was like my favorite professional. That was so funny. Clearly now, the rain is gone. But I think all that on the surface is really intriguing.

And I do agree that I think the post merge has significantly stepped things up in terms of intrigue. I think one thing that's still a little missing for me, though, is the storytelling supporting those decisions. I talked about this last week, but I feel like this week, even more, we're getting a lot. of tell don't show, specifically when it comes to the Alex boot of it all. Now, look, there is a chance that Rizzo was able to tarnish this man's reputation over the course of a day and a half by just embellishing stuff or making stuff up. But I don't know, I personally think that Juan's supposition, his perception that like Alex is doing too much,

Alex is messy, had to come from something, right? Like, Alex had to have been doing something prior to this two-day period to make Joanne feel a little leery about him. And that was not necessarily presented to us until this episode. I mean, something like even getting Sophie's Soap's feelings about turning on Alex, I'm sure we'll get it next episode, not necessarily highlighted. And so I think that this was a really interesting vote because on paper you could just lambast, you know, half the cast and be like, oh my God, you all are making such dumb decisions. I think there is logic attuned to what these people are doing, but it's not helping

that we don't really have access to their logic at this point. And so instead, we're just getting all of a sudden presented to us like, well, Alex is playing the middle too much and now he's got to go. I felt like Rob, I had my hands perennially in the air doing the since when pose during a lot of this episode just because a lot of this kind of came very quickly. And again, this might be telling the reality that actually happened on the island. But my assumption is this had to have been baked in some days prior now i think maybe there was something baked in in the days prior but again i don't actually know how much of it had to do with alex but instead i feel like it had to do with that small group tribal where rizzo and savanna and joan and sage were together because obviously

the rounds prior to that juan and stage flipped the script on them they voted out nate they voted out Shannon. Then they kind of come together and through the dynamics of that small group tribal, Joanne and Sage made the choice. We're going to go with them on this one, whether it was out of, you know, fear of the idol and wanting to survive to the next round or, but like, I think what the personal dynamic of that choice was was sort of like, we're coming together again on this vote and we're going to like go after Hina. And like, establishing that ground, I think does make a difference. And it can impact the gameplay. Whereas you would think linearly that Sage and Jouan would just continue, like go right back, resume the tirade on to Uli.

When you kind of do something together with somebody, it changes the way you talk to each other at camp. It changes the way that you are thinking about the game. And so obviously there's a little bit more trust there built with Savannah and Rizzo and Sage and Jawan to where that gives, I think, Rizzo the wiggle room to like drive his point home a little bit further. And I think it makes it a little bit more scary for Savannah and, for Sage and Jawan to completely flip on them again. I think they, because they work with them last round, they see, all right, Rizzo and Savannah are forgiving here. They're wanting to work with us. It opens up a little bit more opportunity for them in a way that I think clouds this vision of what's really important here, which is we need to, we've already shown them that, you know, they can't trust us. So we need to take them out and the power that they have.

So again, and I think if anything, Alex certainly, you know, we saw a little clips of him playing the middle, but if anything, I feel like it's not what he was doing, but maybe the lack thereof, which is that like when Rizzo's going like super hard for him and you see Jawan kind of confront him about it, I didn't get the greatest sense of urgency for him to like save himself or to take that fear of maybe going home and put it into practice of like what needed to be done to the level. at which Rizzo was gunning for him. Okay, I can see that. I can see that as like a viable explanation. I can also see, like, I think what, we can sit here and we can speculate about all the reasons why people made decisions. I think the reason why I just would have loved

to have seen actually more of that on the show where then we don't have to speculate about like base decision making. Because then I'm like, oh, well, okay, because what I'm seeing then is I see, then is I see Sage being like, I want Rizzo gone consistently from last week and this week. So I'm like, okay, so Jawan and Sage are operating at a pair, but I guess Jawan is calling the shots in this situation? Like, is Jawan the reason why the Rizzo votes not happening? Like, and also

Sage and Jawan know potentially about what Rizzo and Savannah are doing. I mean, they do know. They end up voting for Alex anyway. So they know Alex would be the one on the chopping block if Rizzo does play the idol. So what's stopping them from going to Stephen, especially, Sage and Starrant. Steven seemingly have this very close relationship. Steven Trust Sage told her about the idol. So I'm like, okay, then why is like that group not coming together with then Christina and Alex, a group of five. They all just throw votes on Rizzo.

Don't tell Alex the votes are going to come his way if Rizzo plays the idol. I don't know. I just like I do feel like there's so much more missing and I really am not understanding why things are happening. And I think that's where I start to get a little bit. Well, it's intriguing for sure. I think I start to get a little bit frustrated just because I don't understand. Yeah. I have been thinking about the idea of that seems to grow more and more insurmountable by the day of why is nobody actively, despite all the plans being thrown out, the actual majority being piled on Rizzo idea never happens. It's three tribal councils in now. And again, they might be able to take, you know, Rizzo might get a good amount of the votes. But I feel like chances are they're still going to come over the top next time. And that I don't might be able to take it. You know, Rizzo might get a good amount of the votes. But I feel like chances are, they're still going to come over the top next time. And that I don't might.

might not even come into play. So I have four schools of thought. This is multiple choice. You can pick between four. Okay. Is going to be the most, again, we're doing a lot of sort of filling in the blanks here to Leanna's point. A would be Occam's razor,

that they are overheated and tired AF. Tini, you know this firsthand, how much that can be incorporated into your decision making. You know, they're a little brain drained right now. And so maybe it's leading them to take the less obvious. outcome. Two might be this idea that we've talked about this before of the defensive idol plays of, okay, we know that Rizzo has an idol. At least we know where the idol is. If we keep it with him, then that means that the idol won't be re-hidden and therefore we know at least where it is

at any point in time. Number three would be that, okay, Rizzo has an idol, but an idol, even if we flush the idolless Rizzo is still less powerful than the threats, the allure of people like MC, like Alex. If we let them go further, they'll get their hooks in people, they'll take me out in their pursuit of a million dollars. Number four, which is perhaps the, encourages, I think, the most imagination,

but has precedent for it, is that Rizzo is not an endgame threat. Right. And we have seen this before. Zander in season 41 was a very similar circumstance where everyone was saying Zander is such a good player. He has this public idol that almost got stolen from him at the merge

and nobody's taking him out. And it turns out that, yeah, because no one wanted to take Zander out in general. Everyone wanted to take him to the end because he was a goat. So those are my four theories. It's brain drain. It's want the idol. Don't want the idol back in play.

It's he's still less threatening or it's, he's a goat tini are you leaning in any direction when it comes to these four options i think that for different players out there different ration one of those rationales is driving each of those things like i think there are probably players who are telling themselves that he's not a threat at all and it doesn't matter um i think that there's probably some level of like and i don't know which one this would help me help me figure out which which school of thought this would fall under but like I think there's probably some just like push it off procrastination of it all of like well we can just get to this it's not the most important deal right now yeah I think there's like

a big thing there and I think that also falls into like the the brain drain because like that's not how it works actually like you said like it is so easy for him to just like win a challenge so it doesn't have to play at one time and then like all of a sudden like we're just at five like you you like that was like us with Rachel like by the time I really came around to realizing that Rachel was like somebody who I needed to take out with if I wanted any chance like it was too late because she won out and had idols like these the point of the game they're in right now feels like there's a lot of time left but there is really not like it gets down to it so quickly and so I think that people even as they're developing their their narrative of what they think about the idol they're wasting time by just not voting for him um but wait remind me what two and three were because i have brain drain and i have the the zander yeah so then two was uh was the one to keep the idol on somebody so it's not re-hitted and someone else can find it and three is the well even if we get rid of the idol he's not as big of a threat as Alex and MC well i think the idle thing has i would imagine you're out there

there's somebody who's saying that right there's somebody who's talking about the fact that like well yeah like it's not going to get re-hidden and we won't like have to worry about who has it but like that just makes no sense because I don't know I just I am really trying to when I watch it and I'm watching that these weeks pass by where he is now voted out with it I just can't understand how these people aren't only aware of like the fact that it's dangerous for them to have this guy have an idol in further and to survive the way he's surviving and I don't understand how they're not seeing that he's not only surviving he's like playing the offense too like he's like calling the shots. Like he is like so you really cannot say he's a goat because he gets to the end and

he doesn't just say I had an idol and I wasn't voted out. He says, and I made this happen and I made that happen. And again, we have the retrospect of being able to watch him narrate this and being told the story in a certain way. But yeah, I don't know. It's I cannot understand if I were there I feel like like Sage. But then again, like it's so confusing why didn't she vote for him? I would be doggedly concerned with the fact that he still has an idol and is lasting in the game. Because it's also like, all right, this is now becoming the theme of the season. Like, what do you think the story is here, guys? Like, because it's, it's, it's, the story is that he's surviving with this idol.

So, like, let's kill that story and let's start a new one. Let's, like, rewrite our, let's start writing our story. And so, yeah, I cannot understand. I also, I was, I was texting with a friend who, the Survivor 47 cast went to this restaurant called Alenia in Chicago a year ago. And we met the host of this or the captain of our table was like a big survivor fan who's somebody who I like really respect his opinion. And so I asked him his thoughts and I thought he had some good things.

This is so teeny though. I know your text story. I love this. You love having this encounters with people in the wild and they become, you know, bonded to you for life. Well, this is like, Elinia is like one of the nicest restaurants in the country. I had no business being there.

But we get there, and this guy, his name is Hart van der Bloop. So he's already just, he's, no, this is an J-N-A-I-generated man. He's an actual character. And he waited until probably we were there for 30 minutes to kind of like start showing his cards that not only less you watch the show, he's seen all the Australian seasons. He is like one of the most, like, he's one of the most brilliant thinkers I've ever met to talk about Survivor. And so I texted him because I was going on this.

and he had some things to say so if you don't mind I'm just going to read some of his thoughts. Let's go into the mind of heart vanderthewood. Yeah. Okay, so he goes, Sage and Joanne are very, very interesting to me because they flip the script when they vote out Shannon.

But after this, they hit Nate also a great move because I thought he is a winner contender. But here's the breaking bad analogy. There's a block where Mike talks about a half measure versus a full measure. And I keep thinking about that. Sage and Jawan do the half measure. They act Shannon.

They use that to hit name. and then they let up. They save face. The next move is you have to go for Rizzo. You have to do it. Have to. It is non-negotiable. This is why we discuss Micronesia and the meta so much, because when the Black Widow Brigade picks their path, they select the hardest path,

but is their path to win, so then they have no choice to execute it. Sage and Jawan set their course and then stop. That is fatal. They cannot work with Rizzo or Savannah after this. I think both of them play the midpiece of the season excellently, but since then a disaster. The grates, the mafiosos,

they bury their dissenters in this phase. they needed to do that. He goes, if you want to flush an idol, you're already identifying someone as your enemy. If someone is your enemy, they have to go. If they are your enemy, be about it. Play them. Play big. You know the easiest way to flush Rizzo's idol, vote him out with it.

So he's basically just saying that, like, the idol is Rizzo and Rizzo is the idol. They're the same, and you have to get them both. So, like, you can't just try and flush the idol. You have to, like, attack and, like, make that your target. And I think that that makes sense. And I was just like, yeah, I think that, and again, I can empathize with the fact that, like, you can think that way and it's a full measure. But then you're out there with Rizzo and you've been with him for this many days now and in the social part, like, impacts a little bit. But I wanted to share just like what he thought about that because I think it is true.

It's like you have to, at a certain point, stick to the plan that you've decided on, especially when it's working really effectively. Dare I say, Hart Vanderpludes for Survivor 51? Can we get the music on the island? He will be there. He will get on the show. He will get there. Yeah. Black Friday is here at IKEA and the clock is taking on savings you won't want to miss.

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So I think the other thing that's really interesting is that even when we're talking through these like different reasons why decisions are being made, it's about like we're talking about it with Rizzo. It's Rizzo. Rizzo has the idol. Rizzo's not a threat. Rizzo, Rizzo, Rizzo. It's about alliances, guys.

Like if you, and this is maybe a sense of where if they're not reading the relationships correctly, like how do you not see at least that group of three of Rizzo, Savannah, and Sophie as or so whatever, Sophie B as like a tight group? And then also imagine Sophie S. is not shy

with her feelings. Literally in an entire group, she goes, wow, so it sounds like you guys wanted me gone to the rest of everybody else. How do you as a human being think, oh yeah, that lady's still on my side? Absolutely not. In what universe? That gives them a solid group of four. You're not only playing against

the idol. You're playing against an alliance. I feel like this is something that's been so lost in the new era because we've been all about like it's so fluid. Jeff loves how so fluid it is. Even when you, they were like pulling the rock. He's so he loves liquid. He's like pulling I don't know. He's he's, he's, they're pulling

the rocks and he's like, oh, it's changing up the game again. The core fundamental of these games is that you create bonds and alliances and groups. You don't function individually. And I just feel like why is it like I don't know sometimes I feel like I'm taking crazy pills I'm like why is nobody like thinking about this which makes me just go back to it's A it's A it's Ackham's razor it's just that they're smushed out there in the sun and nobody's thinking properly yeah I mean I mean I am trying to also read yet to your point why is this trio not being seen as a trio I mean it feels like soap and savanna are like attached at the hip they're seen a lot together that's who sophie will make her appeal to for the soap squared alliance but like we haven't heard a lot of we've heard a Savannah and Rizzo, and we've maybe heard Savannah and Sof, but we haven't heard the three of them. And maybe that's because Sof is doing a good job at like really trying to put forward this front,

much like an Alex did a couple votes ago of like, listen, I'm up for grabs at this point. Maybe it's that, you know, you've seen a secret scene this week that they showed the school yard pick for the reward. And Christina picked Sophie specifically because she said, I want to rebuild trust with her. So maybe despite her initial indignation, Sophie has been able to do a good job of like keeping a stiff upper lip at least on the surface and saying we're going to keep Hina strong at this point. I also do think, and this is something that Tina, your friend of me, Sam Phelan,

brought up on social media this past week. I do think it's a little bit of us having more information than the players as well, specifically when it comes to the advantages. I think a lot of us are going into next week being like, it's game over. Rizzo has the idol, Savannah has the extra vote, SOF has knowledge as power.

A, half the people in the game don't know about Savannah's extra vote. You know, even though on the surface, you'd be like, wait a minute, why did they stop counting the MC votes at three? Shouldn't there be six votes? But again, maybe brain drain. But also, nobody in the game knows about the knowledge is power. So it might be a thing where yes, is kicking the can down the road,

but they think like, okay, we still might have the numbers next week where even if, you know, Rizzo uses his idol, we have enough votes to get one of the other ones, not being aware that we could see a mini advantage get in happening next week. We're just one side piles everything together. makes the megazord of advantages to take power in the game and they just don't know about it. Yeah, I think the answer

is, you know, partially what we aren't seeing at all, which is, I imagine Sophie Bellardi is doing an incredible job of playing the middle and doing an incredible job of talking to each individual and making them feel comfortable.

Like, I am more inclined to give the credit here to Sophie Bellardi than I am. to take away the like the perception of people like Christina or even like Sage in the situation

to make this decision like we have already we have seen brief snippets of Sophie being able to sit down with Sage and talk some shit on Savannah and empathize with her and like

I think she has a really good skill to just like connect with people and we'll do it and we'll do it you know at the expense of the people she's actively working with to like put these other people like convince these other people

that she's with them. And so I think that's more to her credit there of playing the middle really well. And I don't think we're being shown that. Right. We don't know the relationship with her and Christina at all. But I am more inclined to believe that there really is one. And I think that also that plays into the point about the fact that we're, uh, we have so much more information than these people. Like you're out there and you're Christina. Like you're playing your, you're playing your own game. Like you have your web of relationships. Like we're not being shown that but like just because she doesn't know about this or that doesn't mean that like from where she's standing uh that she's like not actively making choices or like making alliances or like

has people and yeah so i think that um i don't know i think that there's just a lot that there's a lot that becomes obvious to us when we're watching this added of these advantages that that if you are not in on this three um it makes you look like what the hell are you doing what the hell are you thinking but like like i said this is a period of time in the game where it's like dicey too like you don't want to be rocking the boat so much because it's like a scary point like you want to make you're right at the cusp of the end game and so I don't know I think that's why some of these players uh we look at it we criticize right now but I think it's like there's a couple moving factors of the things that they don't

know that we do um and the things that they're being told by the players who are like actively doing a good job at continuing to hoodwink them are kind of the explanations for that if that makes sense. But I think like that that's okay so here's the difference for me is like I'm not criticizing the players even though I don't understand the decision. I'm criticizing why I don't understand the decision. Like I'm criticizing production for not telling me that. Like I actually Tina I love that point that you brought up the fact because we did see Sage and Sophie B have that kind of like distract conversation. We saw baby bits of it maybe with Christina. I don't know Sophie B's relationship with Christina. I don't know what Sophie S did to repair her relationship with

Christina and Steven like like show. me that. Like, show me what is going on. I'm just so sorry. I'm, like, actually really, I've been so frustrated with the season because I feel like, and again, nothing to do with the players, nothing to do with that. It all comes from the editing and, like, how the story is being told.

And I just feel like there are so many little things and you, like, oh, anyway. Okay, sorry. Rantz over. It's all about editing. I know, I think you're completely right. I think that there's two things to enjoy, obviously. And I think that I think Tini brings up a great point that, I mean, we even saw this last season. We're like,

you know, Mitch had a reason why he was doing or maybe not doing what he was doing. Hell, let's go back to Redemption Island. Like, the people who were part of Boston Rob's Alliance were doing something because they had an idea of what they were doing. Despite what people might suppose out there on the island, everyone is playing the game.

It's just a matter of whether those play styles will be showcased to us. And it does make you feel like, okay, you know, is it going to be? And that's maybe why I feel like, even despite the advantages, like this, underdog alliance that is slowly becoming the overdog, like, might be

the ones that are set up for the end game, is because, like, we are getting so much of them. The story's really focusing on, like, how they overcame this number to take over. And it comes at the cost of finding out from the other side, why are they doing what they're doing? You know, it's a little bit foa, foa, foa, glue,

which also makes sense, because that was the other, you know, newbie season before a big returning player season, as we saw in season 20. But it feels like even more so we are kind of obfuscating the philosophies that are clearly going through these people's heads and so now we're sort of left scratching our heads being like

I don't know what's going on with these people I mean Sophie S is a great indicator of this because I'm so happy that she has had a sort of like coming out party it sucks that it's at the cost of her feeling like her standing in the game has completely tumbled but like she is fiery she is blunt yes we talked a little last week about like she can't really be a challenge be she only competed in one challenge

but like she is showcasing herself to be quite good at these challenges just maybe a little less good than Savannah in particular but like she is a personality and I am very happy that she has been put more on the spotlight but there is a part of me that selfishly is thinking like it would have been nice to have seen more of this

early in the game especially when she talks about like I have been targeted since the beginning we got a smidge of that back at Hina but we were just so void of Hina in the very beginning and that's a tough thing as well that I think I do think the editor's hands were tied a little bit with the Kella of it all as we

talk about the Kellan narrative sort of being ended here because they went to travel so much so much of the narrative was being focused on them and unfortunately they knew that it was going to end kind of unceremoniously right this was not going to be a Malcolm and Denise situation there might have been an argument of like so if it's so angry she turns on Alex for what happened with Nate but that didn't necessarily happen and so because there was so much happening with them in the beginning though it comes at the cost of giving short trip to these other tribes We experienced this last season as well. The Vula stuff was an absolute shit show had nothing to do with the end game.

And that just comes with sometimes, as we've talked about very much at the beginning of this season and many seasons, like having a disaster tried in the new era. They monopolize the airtime just out of necessity. And those narratives don't pay off. And it comes at the cost of developing some people that might become important later on. Let me tell you what I learned about Stephen in this episode. one he likes stage didn't impact the vote two he knows fun facts about space and three he's having weird dreams about chickens okay so yes and that is so funny um but like all right and yes the edit is ridiculous and i will always put blame on the edit but i think

they hit it right a couple times this episode i think they hit it right a couple times this episode i think they And I think Survivor is in complete flow state. And this is, you know, obviously also. It's fluid. Very fluid. We love fluid. You know, I love that. It is, it is in flow state.

And obviously this is like 85% on the contestants. But like when the editing can show it, it's great. It's when somebody is in a confessional talking about what they're doing and we're getting cutaways to them doing that exact thing. That like thrills me. And we got that twice, I think, this episode. And one was with Sophie Sogretti. like I just got LASIC.

I woke the fuck up and then they're showing us her running around camp. She has like a new lease on life. She is like making choices. She knows what she wants to do. She's doing it. She's telling us what's happening. And so we're learning about her. We're seeing her gameplay. That's incredible. And then same with Rizzo.

Rizzo is telling us like I want to get Alex out. So I'm going to, you know, make up this and I'm going to do that. And then we're getting cutaways to the scenes of him doing that. And like I said, that is on the players to be able to communicate and they're confessional. And then it's on the editors to put it all together into one package for us.

But I do wonder, I'm like, yes, we only learned Stephen about facts and this and space facts and all the other stuff. And I'm like, there is something to where, you know, you got to talk about something other than that too, for them to be able to give us a little bit more.

That's a good point. Yeah. Where it shines when the players are, you know, talking about their game and they're putting it in, it also shines when the players are, you know, overly analogizing the things that they're saying because it makes it hard to get a really clear picture

of what they're actually doing because it's sort of gimmicky. And so that, that, I don't, I don't know how much more, there definitely is a lot, I'm sure, on the cutting room floor to like give us insight on Steven's position, but like it also feels like he might be a little bit like sort of complacent in this stage of the game, but like what he thinks the rational thing to do is,

which is vote out Rizzo, like we all agree on, but clearly there's so many other things happening there that he's missing. And so then we're just talking about like NASA and it's like, all right, maybe you need some LASIC too, so we can wake it up and like really figure out what's happening here.

No, it's a good point that like, again, going back to Alchem's Razor, sometimes it might come down to the fact that like, yes, Stephen just wanted to talk about space for these past two days. And so that's what it's going to come down to. I will say one story that I did love is the fact that looking back at that first episode and that day one head-to-head showdown

when it was Alex in the lead in control, has all the pieces. Rizzo comes from behind and wins and beats them out and what happens here. I love that. Down and out comes from behind, targets Alex specifically and takes him out once again.

I love that. That is such a fun little arc for these two guys. I forgot that. Fun arcs for one of these guys. Fun, fun is an ideal, very subjective term. Okay, wait, hold on. Just one more thing about Stephen. I share, this made me laugh so hard.

Look, this is when Rizzo drops in the immunity challenge. Can we, like, look at Steven's little face? Enhance, and hands. Look how happy he is. He, like, looks over at Rizzo. He just gives him this little smile. It was such a cute little moment of obsessed. I loved it.

All right. Well, let's continue on the Alex train. here, the campaign trail, as we talk about our thoughts on Alex in the preseason. And Alex was, you know, a happy go lucky guy, pretty much from day one through 17, even through his lovable loser phase. It seemed like the smile never loves his face. Even when he was voted out, he was like, ah, they got me, girls. Probably should have done all the middle, you know, the centrist policies that I should have. But I guess the question

is, Leana, what did you think the views of Alex would be when it came to the season proper. Yes. So I had Alex, in my run-through of the season, I still had like a mergatory situation going on. So Alex, I specifically said goes in the mergatory. Oh, pre-jury. Yes.

So pre-yes, he's pre-jury. I said, in the pre-merge, Alex forms multiple alliances in an attempt to position himself as the glue guy. Jha, the Jeremiah, Alex Annie, and also the sibling alliance with Jake and Sophie. So if you beat. These alliances do him no good, however, when the mergatory twist puts him in a tough spot alone and only with the remaining Heenas.

Alex does his best to whip the votes in his favor, but the Heena lobbyists have outdone themselves in, I wrote campaign donations and then scratched it out and then wrote just totally free chill dinners, leaving Alex as the black sheep on the hill. Alex has voted out unanimously, leaving the game pre-jury and without a girlfriend. his ally was Jake

and then friend of see other alliances and then his enemy was the Hina tribe. I love that you went full Warner from legally blonde of like Alex graduated from Survivor

with no girlfriend no billion dollars and no internship. All right. Well, I had a bit of loftier prospects for Alex. Not I guess a setting to the big chair

in the Survivor Oval Office but certainly in the cabinet I had him making the jury So I wrote Alex's warm and relatable personality makes him one of the social hubs of the Keller tribe, particularly he makes an immediate connection with Jake as the two get

into a bromance to launch a thousand Yowie edits. Did I really write Yowie? Did I put Yowie in my predictions? This is... What? Oh, it's even racy for me. Feeling safely nestled in the tribe, Alex decides any beware advantage won't have much

beware in his case. So he decided to embark on some early morning idol hunting. And while he ultimately won't be successful, a tailing Sophie B will wind up finding something, adding a key constituent to her district. When the merge hits, the Kella Cool Kids, parentheses do not abbreviate this alliance name, Mike.

Thank you, Pass Mike, gets humbled quickly as Jake is taken out. We'll get a scene about Alex putting his political experience to work as we're treated to a montage of him campaigning to a variety of players. a weird mix of patriotic music and Survivor SoundScape plays. Survivor Twitter will call it cringe. As Alex gets more comfortable in his position,

the office gossip in him comes out, and he commits a headline-making faux-pa even worse than the Howard Dean yell when he spills the info that Sophie B has an idol. Ward gets back to Sophie B., who is seeing red at her fellow blue tribe member. She shocks everyone when she plays the idol, and she, Rizzo, and Savannah

throw their votes onto Alex to send him out of the game. The guy who came into the season with the attitude of why not me will firmly leave it with only one question. Why me? Alex will then reveal at the after show that he works in politics

and he will rise to high prominence when 10 years later he becomes the communications director under President Rizzo Velovic hashtag Presgod 2026. The man of it the legend

I am rendered speechless. Pre-R-E-Z G-O-D Prince God, baby. Yes. I hope that hell do you even come up with this. It's like I am I am continuously

surprised by both their ridiculousness of the like creative choices that you make when you write these but also the fact that, like, there's always, like, deep truth in your guys' predictions. Like, you guys are really good in it, honestly. Wait, I have to pick which one. Do you have to pick which one?

Yes, you have to put the truth. Pokemon go to the polls. Perfect. My favorite thing. God, I feel like both of you had good nuggets of things that happen. Like, Mike, you hit on the Jake's Romance, which was, you know, really, really prominent in the edit. I'm like, hmm, when'd you write this? Did you see that happening?

I didn't. I mean, I saw like the two of them talking on the beach one time, but I don't know. Leanna wins. Leanna wins. Wow. Leanna wins. No, I feel like Leanna's broad strokes were. I feel like your specifics, both of your specifics kind of got all over the place.

What do you mean? I predicted a presidential candidate the next 10 years. Yeah, yeah, exactly. He has my vote. He has my vote. But yeah, I think you had the broad strokes down there of like, you know, what happened. Thank you, Taney. I appreciate that. Sorry, Mike. I mean, you get the points for the fan fiction of it all. Yeah, exactly.

You're right, like an alternative ending to Survivor 47 for me. Oh, listen. I'll make it happen. I would love that. I love that. I would say, like, then you have your own presidential campaign where it's like, I don't know, teeny has big thoughts or something. some sort of campaign slogan. My high school class presidential campaign slogan

was don't be a weenie vote for teeny and I handed out, gummy little hot dogs. And it worked. I love that. Honestly, would not be a bad campaign tactic to win the hearts and minds of people. You won at least one heart

and he was the captain of your table in Chicago. But, yeah, saying goodbye to Alexa, but maybe not for long if he's going to be in the cabinet of Rizzo in just 10 years. Set your alarms, people. Remember to go to the polls on election day 2026. Right in Rizzo.

Wait, is Rizzo? At all this, Rizzo. He's 25, which is why I was a decade later. He's actually 26 today. I just saw his girlfriend post for his birthday. And that's how I learned he's a little bit older than me. So, yeah. Talk to me a bit about that, actually. Because I think that that was a little bit of,

I feel like there's a little bit of discussion back during your season was the fact that you were one of the younger members of your cast, especially with that endgame group. Do you feel like that age has an effect in either the way you approach the game or the way people perceive you comparatively? That's a good question. I actually just, yeah, I don't know.

I think that for me, it was both an advantage and disadvantage. I think that it was an advantage in the sense that people did sort of treat me, perceive me, think of me as like, sort of like this disarming little sibling, which is something that I also wanted to project and I think is just kind of in my nature as well. But then I also think that like I've always been somebody who gets along with older people and likes being around people who are older than me. And so I think that I have that ability to connect with them the same. And I think a lot of young people sort of maybe that's like their misstep. And I think, but I personally can already, you know, see in myself the changes since I was 23 to 25 to where I'm like,

and I think that's also partially because of the experiences I've gone through from playing the game than being on television. I'm like, well, damn, I have a lot more wisdom, maturity, composure. And I could probably, you know, dial some of that into a game if I played a little bit older now. And I'm always erring on the side of you should probably play Survivor in your late 20s to 30s. I think that's just generally like, I think, you know, it's the frontal lobe development. and all that stuff. But I also think... Reserville 26.

Well, I think clearly it's like, it's not actually... It's not actually... There's no universal general statement you can make about this because you have people like, you know, Jolensky, who I think people wanted to put on some, like, this is why 22-year-olds are, you know, not good at this game, and you should wait. But then you have people like Sam, who was literally my age out there on Survivor,

and, you know, he did incredible strategically, and he was able to, like, find that focus. Whereas I think I was still, you know, there were parts of me that I think it really helped me out. And I think it really, it was a crucial component to my social game, which is the reason why I, I think, made it as far as I did without really receiving any votes. But I also think it's a crucial part of the perception of me that was, you know, there's some naivete here and there is, you know, some ability to sort of like emotionally manipulate this person or whatever. but I think everyone is different. Everyone's life experience is different. I just think the only generalization you can make

is that there's really no harm in going on the show when you're like in your 30s. Like I think that's kind of like the sweet spot. And I kind of knew that when I was applying to, I was like, you know, I think I probably have a better chance to win this if I wait longer and I get more life experience in me. But I want to do it now, so I'm going to try and do it now.

Hell yeah. No, I think it's actually interesting. because Mike when you brought that up I mean teeny you didn't the fact that you were 20 I completely forgot like to me you didn't read as 23 but I think that goes into what you're saying about being able to connect like I look at I don't know there's some players that immediately I'm like oh you just come across as young so it's maybe not necessarily about an age thing but I do think the internal mentality is probably true for like a lot of people I mean I think myself like when I was in my my early 20s versus now oh my God like I definitely feel like sometimes a completely different person. And so, yeah, I completely understand that perspective. I think it also depends, as always, on the people you're there with. Yeah. Like, you see Rizzo and Jawan especially seem to really connect over, like, the youth vernacular. Like, I remember a few times, like, Joanne towards Rizzo, like, dude, cinema, right?

Like, it seems that as much as Rizzo might sort of be the mascot for the generation gap, that name was espousing early on, he has a lot of company. I mean, you know, Sophie B is talking about muckbangs. like Rizzo is kind of surrounded by more of his peers than you might think despite the fact that he is the youngest person of the cats. I mean, I looked this up. I didn't even think about this. Alex was only one year older than him. Alex was 26 when he got voted out. So it's not like he was, he's this baby of the cast surrounded by complete adults. You know,

yes, Christina and Stephen are a decade older than him. But I think especially with the people he was able to surround himself with are more closely related in age and perhaps more in like behaviors and just philosophies that it does not stick out as much. But again, if we look at, like, why is nobody targeting this guy? Maybe there's a chance that to me much like you were talking about. There could be a similar attitude here. Like, well, he's just the little brother.

Like, he's not necessarily as much of a big threat. Yeah, he has an idol, but it's sort of like, you know, if your brother got something cool for Christmas, like, good for you, buddy. Yeah, you hang on to that RC car. You're going to have a great time with that. I'm going to go drive my BMW. Yeah. It's interesting. It is. I think it's definitely independent. And like in my experience, it was the same thing. It's like, yeah, Gabe was like 26. I was 23. Like Sierra was like 27. Like we were all more or less peers. And then of course we have Saul who is like perpetually like a 19 year old in a 44 year old man's body. So yeah, it all depends on the people you're with. And I think there's ways to to leverage your youth in connecting to,

like anybody of any age and it just depends on, you know, doing that. All right, well, let's get into our game this week. And look, this is going to be admittedly the biggest stretch, much like the people were stretching their legs

in this week's immunity challenge because generally our games have some sort of connection to Survivor and the episode and Survivor history. This one admittedly does not. And so apologies in advance that people wanted a game specifically about this episode or this season. But Stephen Ram served me up a veritable fried chicken meal of content this week.

When he divulged many, many hashtag space facts over the course of this immunity challenge. And before we get into that, Tini, as someone who has participated in a number of these endurance challenges, would you rather have someone quote unquote distracting you taking your mind off of things by listing occupational fun facts off like Stephen did or are you someone that's like I need to tune out any miscellaneous noise and focus on the matter at hand. No. So like my own brain and my own thoughts are like more distracting than like any person's monologue about this or that or like any of Jeff's narration could ever be like I was my own worst enemy in those situations. So like that doesn't matter and because that doesn't matter it just comes down to like a matter of preference for me of like what I'm listening to and I don't think that my preference will ever be listening to like someone talk about space facts and so yeah no like it would it would be distracting for sure because it would also be competing with like whatever I was thinking but it it would also just be like dude please please we get it we get it we get it we get it and so yeah that's kind of how I would feel

there. Like if you're going to do it, if you're going to do the thing, you know, if you're going to like use the time up in the endurance challenge to like talk about something, like Christian ubiquit and ask Jeff some questions, you know, get like get us something. I don't know. And maybe this is just like I'm not a, I'm not a STEM person. So this isn't like my particular area of interest. But yeah, I don't know. I would have been like shut the flow. Sorry. I don't know. Let's go to our local. Stem person here in Liana, what would your thoughts have been? Would this be too close to home for you, even though it's very far away from home and outer space?

I think I would have been into it. I think about like when I've done very obviously, I've never been on Survivor, so I can't speak for sure. But like when I think about those moments, like when I ran my half marathons, I wanted anything to get me out of my brain. Like anything to distract me from the physical pain that I was in. So I think I would have appreciated genuinely learning about anything. Like just please distract me.

please. I think my favorite part was when somebody dropped out and Jeff's like, and that's the end of space facts. It was Sage. Sage dropped and Jeff was like, I'm done with this. That's enough.

Thanks for the distraction, that we're all here. It was like, you could have kept going, you know, Jeff. You didn't have to cut them off. No more face. That was so funny.

No more space. Like, all right, we'll play your little game while we're all at this stage. But now let me do my job. It's like, two can exist at the same time, you know? Like, the sun and the moon shouldn't be seen in the sky at the same time.

But, like, these two celestial bodies can be in the same plane. No, he couldn't do his job. He couldn't do his typical commentary. Maybe that's how he felt. He was like, Stevens getting me out of a job here, man. I feel like if you're Jeff, though, you tie in, right? I do think, though, like, it is, it's tough because it's like, Jeff hosting the challenge and narrating what's going on or whatever is, like, a part of it.

but like it actually like could impact somebody's ability to focus if someone starts talking about something else like is a strategic decision on Stephen's behalf like because for me as somebody who's like really not interested in this realm I would feel like I'm in like a science class which would be like painful for me mentally which adds onto the physical thing yeah and so like I would actually be like is this even fair like I'm being sabotaged right now I like that perspective yeah I don't know it's interesting it's like it's I don't know I guess like it's a good choice and Stephen ended up winning so I guess it's like kind of for me that would have sabotaged me I know that for sure like that would have really made up hard for me and so for

that I give him points well that's interesting okay so let's say you're in Steven's position from the 47 cast what would what facts could you have given out that you think could have gotten in the minds of your opposition to make them drop out yeah so I was hanging out

with Stephanie Berger from 48 recently. And I started talking about YouTube. And it dawned on me that not everyone was like a child who grew up watching YouTube and YouTubers. And so she was asking me all these questions. So that is definitely an area I could talk about like the culture of YouTubers and British YouTube and Tyler Oakley and Zuella and Alfi and the Dan and Phil drama. Like there's so many, there's so many offshoots there that I could have gone on and on and on about. Yeah, there's a lot of little niche interests that I have that are in.

some way always tied back to like the internet and YouTube and all this stuff. But there's also, yeah, I don't know, there's, there's, I'm trying to think of like what each person out my season would talk about. I will say that like Gabe at one point went into, uh, on season 47, we were at camp and he started talking about like the, the infrastructure politics and things about Baltimore. Um, and I have never been more engrossed in a topic before my life. And again, like I, politics is kind of much like science for me where I'm like unless it's being packaged up to me in a really interesting way.

Unless I'm in a Zoron commercial. I don't want to hear about it. Yeah. Well, like, literally. But Gabe got me so, like, invested in the politics of Baltimore that when we got out of the game, like the very first question I asked

was like, who won the mayoral Baltimore campaign? And was it Sheila Dixon? Because he worked with like this woman, Sheila Dixon. And like, I literally have like, I give him, so much credit for getting for being able to get me that engross so if gave had talked about Sheila dixon's mayoral campaign for the city of baltimore maybe i would have won the challenge

maybe i would have won more challenges um but yeah yeah i think that's the key it actually can't be too interesting right it can't be fun facts it's got to be unfun facts because yeah if if like i was if you tini if you were telling me about the history of youtube i'd be like tell me more wait i actually need to stay in this challenge so I can stay closer so I can hear you as you explain as I'm keeping my feet up against the thing so yeah as opposed to like you went through like if you just went through the periodic table of elements like I feel like that's a key example right no we're going to go through binary okay oh zero zero one one one zero two no or whatever like right like that and I draw very funny yeah say don't talk to

teeny about binaries no I was going to say I can talk about a different binary It broke the code. Yeah, I would probably, honestly, and Jeff would be so pissed because none of this would make air, I would just start singing the entire score of rent from the very beginning. But I would love that. But you have to do every character. Like you're doing Light My Candle and you're both. Yeah.

And both, exactly. Talking about as the Bionaries. All right. Well, I've got some facts here. I've got some space facts because I was so inspired by this. I love Steven's enthusiasm and passion for outer space. I talked about this from the very beginning. I still think he has a career regardless of what happens this season as like a science

YouTuber or like I keep seeing these commercials about TikTok people. You know, like the one who like teaches kids math and is like, I just started teaching math on TikTok and now millions of kids know how to add one plus one because of me. Like I could see Stephen being that for the youths out there. And so now we are going to educate or see. how educated you might be because I found some space facts on my own.

And so, TDI, I am so sorry. We're going back to school. He's just going to quit. I've got a handful of questions here. You know what? I'll have you each answer. We'll have you both answer each question here. We'll make this

be truly educational. So I will read a question. You will both separately come up with your answers. We'll go with the honor system and then we'll reveal and we shall see a how fun these facts are about space and who will have the most fun and take away the victory and who will burn up in orbit in the process all right let's get into it and thank you to the various sources out there in the internet I did double check my sources wanted to make sure everything was verifiable this wasn't just thrown out there onto the internet because I could imagine there's a lot of disinformation out

there about outer space. It's an endless void of misinformation in general. But these are some verifiable factually from my perspective that I was able to figure out about space. Question one. This is multiple choice. How many miles above

sea level does outer space begin? A, 62, B, 768, C, 5,205, D, 226,123.

So, either 62. I'm so glad it's multiple choice. 768, 5,205, or 226, 123. Okay, I have my answer. I have my answer as well. All right. Tini, what do you think? I think it's D.

You think it's D, the 200 plus thousand miles. Leanna, what about you? I went the complete opposite of the spectrum. I said A. I think it's, wait, wait, wait, pause. I think it's either D or C. Okay.

Tini is having his options right now. Not to belabor the suspense. You would be wrong on both counts because Liana is right. Outer space begins only 62 miles above sea level. Let me give you my logic. Airplanes fly at 30,000 feet. That's like six miles approximately. And you're like pretty high up there.

Yeah. Right? In like an airplane? Does that make sense? No, it does actually. I think that sometimes people mistake feet when they're like, oh yeah, like we're 40,000 feet. Like clearly that's a long distance until from the ground to up above to outer space.

But like again, if you put it in miles, which is 5,280 feet, like it does not amount too much. So it's pretty wild though. Like, if you drove 60 miles an hour, theoretically if your car defied gravity like Alpha, you could get to outer space in a little over an hour. Now, to be fair,

Tini's answers were also correct. You are in outer space. That is true. Oh, I guess it was start. Where does outer space start? Well, I'm just like, Mike, did you come up with that like specific 200,000 number? Yeah. Pulled it right out of the old Noggin. he's a number

I'm my own orange here when they get cloned for that like forever and ever and never and never well again this is overall we're all learning fun facts about space that just bends the mind I never claim to be good at numbers so there you go exactly

well luckily this one isn't a number there might be one more number question but that's about it I know you were told there would be no math but I may apply okay so here's the here's the next question this is a true or false so again One between one or two choices, true or false, Australia is wider than the moon.

True or false, the country continent Australia, of which Hart, Tini's dear friend, has watched many seasons of Survivor in, is wider than the moon in the sky. What do you think, Leanna? Brough, I don't know. I said true. Pini, what do you think? It is true. Australia is wider than the moon. Australia is 600 kilometers

wider than the moon. The moon is about like 3,400 kilometers. Australia is 4,000 kilometers. Obviously, it is not bigger than the moon because the moon is a big ass circle, a sphere, but at least if you're measuring the girth of if you're measuring the girth of the moon, Australia is more of a choke.

compared to the moon. I love it. All right. Question three. We're going back to multiple choice here. And let's go into some fun, let's go into some fun body horror perspectives here. Stephen may be having dreams about chickens,

but you all may be having nightmares with this next question. Which of the following would not happen to you if you were left in space without a space suit for 15 seconds? So if you were stuck in space, did not have a suit. The good news is for 15 seconds, you're okay. You're a little copacetic. Then things start to beer off a little bit.

So again, three of these things will start happening. One of these things will not happen. A, your body will swell in miscellaneous places. B, all the fluid in your body would boil off. Talk about fluid. C, you'll go unconscious D, you'll start to get a sunburn So either your body swells in miscellaneous places

All the fluid in your body boils off You go unconscious Or you start to get a sunburn Can I answer? Please I think I'm wrong, but I'm going to say I really do think I'm wrong but like whatever.

I think it's the sunburn one. Okay, sunburn, Leanna. Okay, there's something weird about miscellaneous places. Like, what does that even mean? So I'm going to say A. Okay. So, indeed, you would start to get a sunburn

if you were stranded in the middle of space without a space suit because there is so much UV radiation happening with nothing to block it. And you're, there, the blood in your body would start to, I think, bubbles of nitrogen would start to develop and float to the surface of your skin, which would indeed produce

random patches of swelling across your body, but all the fluid in your body would not boil off because of the temperatures that are being reached. So luckily it would stay in a fluid state, much like is the case of this season, but a lot of other horrors

would happen to you as well, where you look like a bulbousy sunburnt, probably deceased mess by the end of it all. Yeah, that's horrifying. Thank you for that visual, Mike. Anytime. Well, let's go with something a little more fun. Something more in the sage variety here.

True or false? If you fart in space, it pushes you forward. True. I'm going to say true also. God, I wish it was, but no, it is. I know because there was a thing. Why? Who's to say that in last journal hasn't, you know?

Who's to say that it hasn't happened? I was glad that you said that because I took this from an actual Q&A with an astronaut Paul Sutter who said that as much as they tried, quote, it was too muffled, not the right type of propulsive nozzle smiley face emoji. Okay, if you put a cone up your bottle. Is that an AMA? Why is there an emoji? Listen, this guy has a lot of interesting things to talk about. if you put a cone up your butthole

and you direct the force out in a particular direction would that be the right so I feel like it wouldn't be the opposite though like would you need would it be convex or should it be more concave you know? Yeah, okay you do have to narrow it down

and make it teeny like a teeny tiny hole because then it's going to speed up the speed of gas Okay. Look, I just think they didn't have the right tools, but I agree with Tini. I think that who's to say? I think that this is definitely... Yeah, I guess the answer should be like false as of now, right? Like false without the proper equipment. Let's dare to dream, guys. Okay? All right. Next up. What contains the strongest magnetic fields in the known universe?

We're talking about to put Jesse from Biggie Bad. Is this open-ended? No, no, no. This is not just to talk about anything. This is multiple choice. But, uh, all, Jesse Pink, and we're talking about magnets, bitch. What contains the strongest magnetic fields in the known universe?

Is it A, the North Pole? B, the center of Jupiter. C, a type of neutron star, or D, a black hole. I think it's E and MRI machine. Yes, exactly. recently watched the new Final Destination for a second time where he gets into the MRI machine because he has a King Henry piercing and yeah which then let me to like go down the rabbit hole

like does that really happen to people and it does you guys probably already know that but like it does and like that's crazy um okay but as as we know all the best uh all the best astronomers were consulted for that MRI scene and final destination So we've got the North Pole, the center of Jupiter, a type of neutron star, or a black hole. Leanna, what are your thoughts? I said C, a neutron star. Okay, Tini? I said C, a neutron star.

I love what she goes first. I believe you at face value. And in this case, you both are correct. It is a type of neutron star called a magnetar. Now I brought this up Because here's some more fun gruesome shit To keep you up at night So a magnetar

As a neutron star It's the core of a dead star Made of a ball of specifically neutrons And the magnetic field Is so strong That if you got within a thousand kilometers Of this magnetar The magnetic field around it

Would strip All of the electrons Out of your body you would turn into a ball of atomic gas instantaneously because the atomic structure of your body would change just within getting a thousand kilometers of this thing

wow all right note to self go close to what sounds like Reptar or like a Godzilla knockoff Magnetar sounds like a final evolution of a Pokemon yes I love Magnetar. It's my favorite.

All right. That's horrifying. Yeah, isn't it? It's just fun. That should be another final destination movie. It's all the weird ways you can die in space. Oh. You know, they think that they could escape the Grim Reaper, the hot Grim Reaper by going to the reaches of our known universe, but

death comes for everyone. All I'm learning is that in Fast and the Furious when they went to space, that that was fake. That's all I'm hearing from all of this, that that was not actually real. Yeah, there were no weird bulbous patches on the rock's body or anything. No. No.

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which as a reminder is the big belt that sort of vivisex our known universe or galaxy from Mars and Jupiter the asteroids and the asteroid belt the distance between two asteroids there is one eighth the distance between the earth and the moon

so as we know if you sack all the planets up against each other they would not reach the earth to the moon this was a fact that Stephen gave out on the broadcast was something that when I was looking at facts was mentioned many many times as a fun fact about space so I think it was on the minds of a lot of people

but if you look at that distance the average distance between two asteroids and the asteroid belt is one eighth that distance okay teeny I know that requires a lot of math but what do you think true or false oh I thought you were just telling us

that it's true or false if you think it's true true yeah true yeah true sure it is false actually I literally don't even know what the question was I love it

I don't know It is literally twice the distance So if you watch all these like Space movies that you see like oh I got to dodge these asteroids That is completely false Because they're super far apart They're incredibly far apart This is like not even two cars

And separate sides of a parking lot These are two cars in opposite parking lots In separate countries You cannot hit another car So you are totally fine dodging asteroids, you do not need the best navigator to navigate our particular asteroid belt. Wow, I feel like I'm learning so much about

fiction. It's false. Exactly. Even though the N-SEL was this question as well. All right. Next one here. The sun accounts for what percent of the mass of the entire solar system? So if you took

everything in the solar system and you added up all of their masses, the sun would account for what percentage of this? And I'll give you some options. This is not multiple choice. 10%, 45%,

75%, 99%. You know, I was just hanging out with Saul who told me that you could fit, I forget the number, because I'm not good with numbers, but he said you could fit a lot of earths into the sun.

And I remember feeling, I remember the feeling it gave me, which was, oh, wow, the sun is enormous. and so can you give me the options again? It was 45.99. It was 10, 45, 75, 99.

So I've been wrong almost every single one. I'm going to say it's either B or C. And I'm literally like, when I took tests in school, I would literally like bubble in multiple things. So I'm going to just come through Scantron. So I probably will be wrong in both. but that always annoyed me. Did you all have those classes where it was like

A, B, C, D, A, B, A, D. Like, they wanted to create like nine to ten options so they had to like double up the letters. Yeah. I'm just, oh my God. I never want to take another Scantron ever in my entire life. Leanna, what say you though? So, Tini, what the baby went would be? Oh my, why have a Scantron lying around?

Why do you have that? What is that for? My roommate's a teacher, and I literally looked on the table and there's a Scantron, which is so funny, which is so funny. Um, okay, so the options were 10, 5%, 45%, and 99%. 10, 45, 75, 99%. So I'm hearing what Saul said about the universe. He would know a lot about the sun because it's tall. The sun, that's true. The sun is massive.

I agree with that. Now, does that mean that it contains a lot of maths? Because you're not talking about volume. We're talking about mass. So I'm between either five or 99%. Those are my two that I'm between extremes either way. I feel the emotion teeny put out there about the sun.

I'm going to go with 99. the sun accounts for 99 not only that 99.86% of all the mass in our solar system that's a lot of mass if you put all of the planets and all of the stars and all of the asteroids together it accounts for less than a quarter of a percentage of the entire mass in our solar system our sun goes hard that's wild our sun is thick. Is there more? I got one more.

Okay, wait, okay. Please let me out of this. Are you going to let all the Scantron? All right, I've got one more question for you. Wait, can I phone a friend? Can I phone a friend? Yes, please. And it's my roommate who's literally the science teacher who has the Scantron's.

Yes. Yes, let's bring this person. Hi, how are you? No, I have your science question. How are you guys? Good, good. I've got a subject for this. I just heard you guys talking solar system from down the hall,

and I texted him like, wait, what's the bit? What's going on? All right. Listen, I've got a space fact for you. There was a lot of space facts on Survivor, so I'm not sure how measured up you are on it. We've learned a lot of fun things. One more thing.

One more thing up your sleeve. So, which of the following planets, technically speaking, would float in water? Is it Venus? Saturn, Uranus, or Neptune. Is it Venus? Saturn's like icy, isn't it? An ice float, don't water?

Does it? My brain's like, my brain's like Saturn has an inner tube. Saturn is a natural life preserver. Wait, what are the list? It's Venus, Saturn, Uranus. Surprisingly, I'm not going with the full bloom pronunciation, and Neptune. Yeah, what? Rip it, your anus.

I want to just answer that one. What do you think, Julio? My guess is Neptune, but I guess. Yeah, true. Okay, we're going with Neptune. If I'm wrong, I'm sorry. All right. Neptune, the Roman god of water would only make sense.

Leanna, what about you? Yeah, I was sold by the inner tube theory with Saturn. So that's what I'm going to go with. That inner tube theory holds water because Saturn is the correct answer. Oh, dude, you need me. That is so funny. Yeah, Saturn.

So as you, as Leanna and some people might know, of course, if anything has a density less than one gram per cubic centimeter, that means that it will float above water, anything greater than that will sink. If you had a body of water large enough to support Saturn, its density is 0.687 grams per cubic centimeter. So technically speaking, it could float on the water if you had enough to support it. Doesn't Neptune have like a core?

Or like, because don't like Neptune and Uranus, one of them has like a core, like a solid core, right? Even though they are technically gas giants. Well, whatever. Anyway, I'll Google it later. Yeah, I think Neptune's core is like rock. I would imagine like probably ice, right? Because it's very far away from the sun. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, man.

Those are all the space facts I've got. If you had somehow come down to a tiebreaker, it would have been how long does it take for light to get from the sun to the earth, which was eight minutes and 20 seconds, just about. It is, the answer is 200,000 miles. I'll give it to you, Tini. Congratulations.

You've won the game. You are the master of space facts. I am obsessed with all the people from your life that you're bringing into this podcast. No, I know. So funny. So funny. the village. Yeah, well, thank you all for putting your knowledge to the test. Thank you

to Stephen for inspiring this and to all the great people out there on the internet who give us so much great information about what exists outside of our big blue marble. But there is a lot of stuff to be concerned about to talk about on our big blue marble. And that brings us to our typical end of the B&B where we ask our guests to give a charity or a cause that is important to them that they want to highlight to the listeners out there. So, Tini, the, Ball or planetoid is in your court. What would you like to highlight? Yeah, so I am going to highlight, you know, this big organization that helps all, you know,

trans youth, queer youth. It's something that I have definitely donated to before and that I think is very important. So I'm just going to plug the Trevor Project. You probably already know about it. But I think it's just, you know, it's also, it's big and popular for a reason. and it's because of the good work it does. And so, you know, as a, I actually don't even know I'm 25 now, I can't call myself a trans youth. But as someone who wants to, you know, support and help all of those who are young and figuring out their identities, their sexualities, who have varying levels of acceptance and support around them, I definitely think this is something to, you know, put your efforts to you.

very well put so everybody please check out the Trevor project donate or at least discover the ways that this incredibly important work is being done teeny this was such a delight

thank you for coming on for letting us in on all the Survivor fans and science fans that are in your life for giving us I think some really great perspectives on this episode that I wasn't thinking about this was such a fun time anything else you want to say anything you'd like to plug

for the listeners out there? Honestly, I just had a wonderful time discussing this episode. This was a great environment for me to be able to, you know, talk through some of the strategies of Survivor that obviously sometimes even go over my own head.

And the only thing that I want to really say is just that I know that Stephanie Berger is listening to this and I really cannot bear to be made fun of for the the Miles answer so I beg of you if you've made it to this point

please please cut me a break on that one oh I do like that like anything you like to plug yet can this one particular person give me some slack there you go that's really it that's really it I always say at this point it's like if you

if you want to be seeing what I'm seeing you already are you know what I mean follow me on Instagram and everything that I do will be put there So, yeah, there we go. Very well put, as per usual. Leanna, what would you like to highlight?

Yeah, Pooia and I are checking along with the Pui and Leana Lounge. Just a completely random weirdo episode this week. But next week we're going to be doing, we have a pretty fun activity planned. So I would definitely check that out. But otherwise, yeah, you know, just kicking it, just learning about space. Yeah, I would say, listen, if I don't want to put this idea too far forward, but like, you want to take some of these space facts and give Puyah a space quiz. Good way to pass the time.

Yeah, exactly. We'll see. I mean, I think the Miles answer. Well, first of all, he's metric system anyway, so that's already going to confuse him. So that'll be a fun one to do. Gotta love it. Got to love it. Well, I have great stuff bubbling to the surface, much like nitrogen in your system,

if you were ever lost in space without a space suit. Of course, I got the chance to interview Alex this week, which was great. I think, as we talked about before, got some interesting perspectives from him mess of some of the stuff that he was doing. Got to find out that Sof was not terribly happy about Alex leaving her out of the merge vote to the point where she basically never

wanted to work with him again. So he talked a bit about that dynamic, why he played that idol all the way back from that wild thing with the Jeremiah vote where he almost got voted out with an idol in his pocket and so much more. Of course, covering the amazing race. Teeny, I know you're a big brother fan. Have you been watching the amazing race this fall?

Sure. All right. I'm buying you at face value a big. I watched the amazing race whenever they filmed it and I couldn't open Twitter without seeing what part of the world they were in. That's very true. Very true. Well, a lot of shit hit the fan this

week. There was an incredibly messy chaotic vote that occurred and so you want all of us breaking that down. I talked with the most recently eliminated team as well. And then over on the reality flash this week, we got a lot of information over the past week as to like the big broadcast networks releasing their midseason

and spring lineups. And so I talked a bit about what's coming. The big to do about Survivor is, for those of you who don't know, A, we have a Survivor 50 premiere date of February 25th, but that will not be the first time we'll be watching Survivor in the year 2026, because for the first time, they are doing these encore episodes, which are 10 episodes that will be aired in the two weeks leading up to the premiere, highlighting various members of the Survivor 49 cast. teeny do you hope that like an operation Italy shows up there um so uh

it's mixed right because it's like this is a great episode not a great episode for me because um obviously I'm so proud to have been a part of Survivor 47 I'm so proud to have you know been the kind of antagonist to this giant move but uh God when Operation Italy came out, I have never taken a larger beating. And so I, you know what, I guess

you know what, I'm going to rewrite the narrative. And I'm going to say yes, because I think, because the season's out and about now, if it were to air, I'd be able to maybe speak to a lot more things than I was able to write then and there. And so I think, yeah, I think for the hell of it, I would love to see it again. And I also think it was genius. I was. genius of the three of them. I want them to get their flowers always for it. But I just, I could, you know, I know that there's probably some crossover in those who talk about Survivor online and who listen to this. So just remember when you're watching Operation Italy again that this was now two years ago. And so just remember that before you make criticisms about the people who were

there and having a temper tantrum. They are now 25. They are no longer 23. and so that should be the disclaimer at the very like Jeff talks the camera like all right everybody just a key thing here the people you watched there's like a Bordeaux episode

like the people you watch back then we're in their 20 now they're in their families just for context they didn't flash freeze everybody and wake them up now in this day and age I have to assume that it's that it's probably going to be one of the 10

like it's the highest rated IMDB Genevieve's going on it's like a really special almost like bottle episode of the series which is honestly just so comical because, like, it couldn't, like, while it was so good, like, I am literally, like, the one victim to the, like, scheme in a way. Well, that's not true. Caroline Midmark is true.

I was going to say, but God, like, it is so funny. Like, I remember, I watched that episode at a pre-screening at Rutgers, which is where I went to school. And CBS had, like, a pre-screening, so I got to see it, like, a day early. Like, everyone who was there was kind of, like, you know, queer and all. And, like, from New Jersey. So, like, they were, like, super, like, stoked on kind of, like, how I acted. But I was just looking at all of them and going, you guys don't understand.

It's like, this changes for me tomorrow. It's like this old. It stops in its tracks for me tomorrow. Like, I was like, I need you guys. Everyone who was like, that was so funny. I was like, please be joining the talk boards tomorrow to say that because it's going to be rough. And then, yeah, that was a crazy, crazy time.

So it'll just be like a hilarious prank if it comes out again and airs all over again. We'll see. Maybe I'm most debating if I might do a podcast online is like predicting what the 10 episodes might be. Because it's interesting because like you could say Operation Italy would make sense. But like if it's meant to highlight members of the. the 50 cast, you could argue like the Kishon episode is more of a Genevieve highlight than Operation Italy,

you know? I would like that one. I'd prefer that one. I suppose you were left out, I prefer Kishan over Operation Italy. Well, you could also say the Svalvo. She did that too. Yeah, she did quite a lot. She got quite a lot done in our season. But yeah, the Kishon vote, I think

really shows her individual ability to just assess and attack. It's, it's incredible. But yeah, obviously I'm pulling for the Qishon one. I don't, you know, I don't, yeah, we know. Well, this was an incredible time to have you on Tini. So thank you

so so much again. Let us know your thoughts in the comments. How well you did on the space fact what you thought your thoughts might be as to the dynamics we're either seeing or not seeing on our screens. What episodes you think might get picked for this encore episode series, regardless, Leon and I will be back next weekend. A podcast. post thanksgiving episode of the B&B.

No fried chicken to dig into, but I think a lot of turkey talk, maybe post-survivor turkey talk as well, considering that it's airing the day before Thanksgiving, but we will dig into it, much like a sumptuous feast next weekend with a special guest. We're putting the plans of motion in May. We're trying to get something in the work,

so I won't reveal anything just yet, but it should be a fun special podcast coming to your feeds next weekend. Special thanks to everyone. behind the scenes at RHAP for packaging this podcast for your eyes and your ears and Wolfram America for his fan-tastic theme song, which I would never tune out during an individual immunity challenge. Leon and I will be back next week covering episode 10 of Survivor 49. Until next time, everybody, we'll check you out at your next day. Mike and the Anna gather playing some games.

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