RHAP: We Know Survivor - Tevin Davis Recaps Survivor 48 Ep 2

Episode Date: March 6, 2025

Rob Cesternino is joined by former Survivor contestant Tevin Davis to dissect episode 2 of Survivor 48.

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it's Rob has a podcast and now here's the guy who's uploading to the Propsti 5G Wi-Fi account. I'm Rob Sister, Nino Loverty. Welcome back to Rob Has a Podcast. And we have a great interview for you today as we talk about Survivor 48, episode number two. And we are blessed to have with us the great Tevin Davis. Tevin, how are you?

I'm blessed. That you know, I love a good, I'm blessed. I love a good blessed. So I woke up this morning. So everything else is, I don't have a bell today, but I'm here. Okay, well Tevin, I rang the bell for you. I'm so happy that you're here.

And yeah, the blessing is ours to have you here because we had so much fun talking about Survivor 47. I was so thrilled that you came back to talk with us again. How are you besides being blessed? Well that's that's that's that's the top. There's nothing above blessed but uh you know other than that I'm good life is good I'm happy healthy can't complain about nothing. You know me and Kamala still Ryan Deep. You see I got her on my I'm good. Life is good. I'm happy, healthy. Can't complain about nothing. You know, me and Kamala still running deep. You see, I got her on my shirt right here.

Let me be very clear. Nothing? Nothing you can complain about? Anything? Listen, listen. Kamala is, we are, her and I are having a good time out here in the streets. And life is good.

Life is good. Yes, okay. Well, Tevin, we got a fun episode of Survivor to talk about with a brand new cast of characters. How has the transition been for you to go from being a Survivor player to alumni over the last year? It's so, and it's crazy,

because it's almost, well, it it's past today now, but almost a year exactly. And it's like, so much has changed in life. And I feel like it happened so quick. It was just us this time last year and now we're on the two second season after our season. So I'm already like head spinning about that already. But I mean, I got to meet some amazing people. I got to meet amazing fans. I got to meet amazing you know fans I got

to meet people who have played this game you know the the queen Sandra and and and you know Boston Robin like all these amazing people where do you meet them all well I went to the uh yeah I went to Florida um but I had met Sandra a few times before because I went to, I think I met her for the first time in a Rice and Wind event in LA, I think is when I first, I think that's when I first met her. I might have met her before then, but I had did all the flying around. When I went through 2024 and looked at what I did and put each month together for my little January post of this year, I was in the sky every month.

I was somewhere. I was at the watch parties, I was at the events, I was doing it. I'm not doing that as much this time, but I feel like it's exciting right after yours because it's like we just did it and now for the first time we get to watch them play, but we know what it's like because we've done it.

And so I've had that experience and I think life has definitely changed and I view the game completely different, you know, a year later. So it's really interesting. Tevin, what did Boston Rob say to you when you met Boston Rob? Well, you know, I met him, I was with Mike Turner and I was with Jonathan Young when I met him.

And so Jonathan was like, you gotta meet, you it was like you gotta meet you gotta meet mr. Rob And you know, he got the blonde locks like this gotta meet mr. Rob and I was like, okay So I walked up and I was like, hey Boston Rob, and I think I think we took a picture first I think they were just like let's take a picture because we're in Florida. So everyone was like, oh my god Look at all these people together. So flashes everywhere because we're in Florida so everyone was like, oh my God, look at all these people together. So flashes everywhere. And what did he say?

I think I was in such a state of shock. I think it might've been that. I was in such a state of shock, like this Boston Robb, and I was like, this is Boston Robb. And so I don't actually remember what was said. But I know- Jonathan says you're a good guy. That might be what it is. I wanted him to was, I want to talk to you about Andy Griffith.

I just wanted him to say Amber. That's all I wanted. A-M-B-U-H. I wanted to hear Amber in person. He didn't say it, but I needed to hear Amber. Maybe next time. Okay. All right.

Well, we've got a lot of great stuff coming your way, including my conversation here with Tevin today. But of course, Wednesday night, we had the know-it-alls. I got to speak with not Tevin, but Kevin this morning. The first Kevin. The first we got Tevin before Kevin. Tevin before Kevin. And of course, that was my day was the opposite. It was Kevin before Tevin today on Thursday. Still great. Still great. Then later on this week, I'll talk with Sophie Clark

that we've added an old school interview every single week here on RHAP. So check that really fun one with T-Bird, which is still evergreen. You can still listen to T-Bird's thoughts on this cast as well, and then I'll do Club Condo on Monday. It's all we know survivor.com. If you miss any of it, okay.

But Tevin, let's talk about Survivor 48. Here we are, and this was a wild tribal council and this tribe. You know, it's interesting that you were part of a very successful tribe that was dysfunctional. This is a dysfunctional tribe that is unsuccessful. What was the difference between your tribe

and this Vula tribe? Well, one, we had a hunter. So that's first and foremost. But I think even though NAMI was so, and what's funny is that I wrote that in my notes when looking at this episode, I was like, if we were to go to tribal, we were going to look just like that. The way that they look in tribal council was exactly how NAMI was going to look. But I think even though we were dysfunctional, when it came to those challenges, we locked in. So like whatever problems was going on, for the most part, we just communicated well and the challenges was where they were executed. And we put the right people in the right places. And I don't know that, you know,

this tribe necessarily is doing that. Or something isn't lining up. Yeah. Is it giving Hunter too much credit to say that it was because hunter was telling everybody Where to be on the right places or was there more to it? Well, well, no, I don't I don't think how he wasn't necessarily orchestrating what we were doing I think we all decided collectively together. This is where these people need to be I know hunter and I both together tried to be You know the, the front, like for the lizard challenge or whatever, we did a lot of strength stuff.

Um, but I definitely know that at the end Hunter would clench it. So even if we were behind, Hunter has the ability to just catch up and be like, you know what y'all thought y'all was the wind, but now it's not me. So, um, I do think that, uh, he had a great hand and making sure that we succeeded no matter what in clenching it. But when it came to the whole challenge, because people always look at a challenge and look at who concludes it and thinks that that is the person that gets it. And that's true, but there's a long journey to get to the end.

And so Hunter clenched it, but we all worked, you know, we were unified to get to the end so that he could clench it. So and I think somewhere with Vula, they can't get to the end so that he could clinch it. So, and I think somewhere with Vula, they can't get to the end like this certain challenge that they did to even get somebody to clinch it. Okay. It's been Say who's been really dictating how this tribe ends up going in these tribal councils. Do you feel like from Say's perspective

that the right move was to get rid of Kevin who while he did say her name Maybe is could be more of a help in the challenges Yeah, I think so but it feels like now in the new era that people aren't necessarily concerned about the the the nuances of what you're working towards as you get deeper into the game. It's like, if you breathe too hard, you're playing and you gotta go.

And, but you know, her name was said, so it wasn't just, you know, that simple. But I think you do have to be wary about when somebody is saying your name and if they said it once, they'll say it again. And so you kind of do have to mitigate that. And I think that she did that and she did it well. If they're gone, they can't say your name again.

Yeah. Is helping in the challenges even a factor that players think about in the new era? I don't know. I don't think so. And I know you didn't go to any tribal councils before the merge. Right, that's true. But I think that's a detriment too. But think to a certain extent- And I know you didn't go to any tribal councils before the merge. Right, that's true.

But I think that's a detriment too. But that does a whole nother comment. I think I might've said that in our last meeting. I feel like you've got to go. I think you've got to go. But they're listening to you, Tevin. They're like, hey, we are following the Tevin plan. We're going to tribal.

We got to go. We got to go. Now, I don't know about going back to back. I didn't say that. I didn't say do that, but that's what's going on here. But I don't know that people necessarily think about the challenges as much. I think that they rely on alliances

and trying to build stuff that can save them even if they do go. I don't think anybody wants to go, but I think that there might be a miscommunication when it comes to the game about how people think about tribe strength. I was talking about this with Steven yesterday about how all the players in that tribe

all had like interesting decisions to make. I guess maybe with the exception of Mary, who was sort of like, I don't have a vote, I'm sort of like at the mercy of everybody else did any player from that group Did their decision surprise you in the way that they approached that tribal council? They're just so chaotic I don't even know, like, say it shocked me, but it didn't actually. When Jeff was like, so where you wanna start?

And Say was just like, let's just get down to the brass tacks. Four of us good, Mary, you gone. And like, she did that last time. She basically was telling people, hey, let's just vote this way and let's just call it what it is. And there's really not any um you know smoothness

like Mary mentioned there's no smoothness to it um but it didn't really shock me but um I think Kevin saying uh you know you outed us and then Sayyid's come back to that and being like well what am I outing if if we are on the same page there's nothing really to out and kind of catching him in this little little thing that he you know this this game play that he's trying to make and I think she kind of clocked him in that so I don't know I just thought the whole thing was dysfunctional from top to bottom of tribal it was like chaotic central. Was there anybody in that group that you felt like that you could relate to? could relate to? Who's the Tevin in this group? That's a good question. I don't know. I don't know that Tevin is in there. I'm trying to

think through everybody. I don't know that he's in there. I mean, maybe like, well, not even, I can't even say say, I don't know who Tevin is in that group. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. That's a good, Rob, that is a good question. Well, I don't know. I'm just trying to think. I am wrong. Well, I'm wondering, are you Justin?

Huh? I guess, OK, give me more. I'll pack that for me. I guess that, I mean, we saw that you had, you know, close relationships with Hunter and with Soda, and then you had to probably make some, you know, difficult decisions in terms of the group that you were working with.

So sort of like being, I really felt like that Justin, in a lot of ways, was kind of. So sort of like being, I really felt like that Justin in a lot of ways was kind of like the swing of the tribe where, yes, Se was really like the most vocal person calling the shots, but I think it was really Justin who had to pull the trigger on what ultimately happened with that group. Right.

Yeah, I can see that. I didn't know that you say that. If Justin says no, I'm not voting Kevin. Like it has to be Mary. I think Mary goes home. Right. Yeah. Now that you say it and put in that perspective, I definitely see that. And he said as much, you know, Cedric, he was like, listen, we have the power. Like, we get to kind of choose how we want to go about this. And it was very interesting. And I almost wondered about like,

could say have even, could he have slipped by without playing her idol? Cause it ended up going the way that she thought. But I think that they also saw the way that our season went home with those idols. And that probably had a big influence too, being like, you know what? Safe this, all right, I'll play it.

I need to see tomorrow because no need to hold onto it. I'd love to get your thoughts on Se and what her trajectory is in the game. Because I think that she's such an interesting player. And I think that in the new era, especially, I do feel like these like bigger bolder personalities have a lot of weight in terms of the game

because I think a lot of players come in and are a little bit playing conservatively. And I think that somebody who's like, okay, I'm gonna let them make the mistake. But I think there's a lot of power in that that she can really make the waves that she wants to make. Yeah, I think people in the new era don't know what to do with, say,

they don't know what to do with a cue. They are so chaotic that you, like you said, you want them to bulldoze their way through because then they're gonna get in trouble. But the problem is you let them bulldoze so much that nobody does anything. And before you know it, they're still here at the end of the game

and all of you have gone home. That's exactly what Q did. And he made it all the way to final six, being as chaotic as possible. So I think had Say and Q existed in Pearl Islands, it'd be a different game. Like they would exist in a whole different space. But I just think people are trying to play conservative and that kind of backfires on them. But I think that says

the thing I'm worried about is the cockiness that comes with having power and not spending time to make genuine connection and playing the social game, which is what this game is that is cool, can cost you down the road. And I don't know that she has enough, maybe other than Cedric, uh, which I think she's kind of sussing him out too, which we probably get to that in a minute, but, um, I don't know. I'm worried about her social ability. I would put Rome in that category also of another person. Are like, Oh, Rome, I have a problem, yep. People are like, oh, well, I don't want to get

on their bad side and they're doing the most. I'm gonna let them do what they're doing and then we'll wait for them to make a mistake. And Q got very far with that in your season. Rome ended up where he probably pushed it too far and everybody sort of like united and said, okay, that's it, we're all gonna draw a line in the sand. We're all gonna vote out Rome. But what do you think happens to say?

I don't, I don't know. I think that I don't know what's gonna happen to Say. I'm really rooting for Say, I really am. I should really like Say. And I just, I'm rooting for her. And I just think that if she does not lock in though, to that social ability in the game, and because she says like, this is just me though. Like I say what I feel and it comes out organically and raw and that's what it is and that's fine by me. But I don't know that the people on that beach are going to tolerate that much more and now she's played idols

So now her hand is kind of exposed. Yeah, so let me float my theory to you on The difference between you know, maybe what Q was able to do and what Rome Ultimately wasn't able to do is that I think that Q had a better social game. And as somebody who played with Q, Q is very likable. Q is having fun. Q is like, hey everybody, let's do an activity. Let's make the Q skirt.

Q is funny. I don't know if they were entertained by Rome in the same way. And I think if Say is going to make a deep run, she's got to get her social game going better to where people are really enjoying her company. That's it. Because the whole thing about it is, people get power in the game, and then they seem like they wanna

buck their chest out a little bit, but you really need to take the spotlight off of you. and I feel like as soon as she got that idol as soon as she Started, you know making moves. She was like, alright. Well, I got power. Let's go. I'm playing the game hard Let's go, but you don't want that kind of attention on you, especially it's like day out of what five Yeah, so you have a long way to go So she got to really focus in and lock in and try to make some genuine bonds that aren't rooted in what can I do for you, what can you do for me? But truly like, let's, let's, well, that is kind of what you need to do.

But I think she just needs to build a little bit more solidified social webs in order to secure herself so that she's likable. Because I think right now people are making decisions about her based on the power that she has and not based on that they want Say to stay, bars. But I don't know that they necessarily need her to stay. And you have to want somebody to stay. You have to, you want people to want you to stay

is what you need. Yeah, and Say has done a good job with Cedric. Cedric feels very warmly towards Say. He was really willing to like, you know, stick his neck out to keep her in the game. So she's doing a good job with him, but her and Mary, they have this back and forth. And is that relatable at all, Tevin?

The whole thing about it is like you can, you can play this game and you don't have to align with everybody. And so for some reason, Mary and, and, you know, say don't see eye to eye. But I thought that, you know, at tribal, when Mary mentioned, she said, you know, I think Jeff asked her, well, do you think you can move past this if y'all are both here tomorrow? And Mary said, you know, I actually don't think so. And I thought that was a little bit short-sighted

because you don't give up until your torch is out. And so if y'all are there, you don't wanna say, we can't work this out because you just keep the target there. But if you can turn this fiery you know, fiery thing y'all got going on into actual combustible gameplay that can work together, now you got something that's working. You know, I just, like, I don't know.

And maybe I'm at the point with Survivor where it's like up is down and down is up. But I really think that in the game, I think that the biggest superpower is authenticity. And I think that people crave it. And it's why we've seen players like Carolyn, who are uniquely authentic, that they do so well. Because people are like, okay, I can trust this person. And I feel like that Mary, even though she is like, I would never work with you, Say,

she's not somebody who is gonna be fake and phony at tribal council. And I don't know if Justin or Cedric are gonna look at her any differently, but I feel like, all right, Mary's a straight shooter. Like if Mary says something like, we could take it to the bank. Mary is somebody who we can count on.

That's true. But it's like, what do you do you know when it because if it comes down to it let's say you know Vula gets you know knocked out and it's just those two you know do you I don't know it is this game is so hard I just think that you can use everybody but Mary is such a straight shooter which maybe that's why they don't see eye to eye because both of them are straight shooters and they don't mesh because of that. I will add at the beginning of the episode, after the travel council, that Mary, I feel like, was trying to say, hey, you know, like, I wasn't expecting my name or say that I wasn't expecting my name

and I think Mary was trying to get over it and say it's like I hold grudges. But by the end of the episode, Mary seemed like she was more the one of like, Hey, like I'm not going to work with say. Yeah. But I mean, even in that moment, that was the first second that I went, you know what? Maybe that's why they're bumping heads like this. Because when, when say was like, no, it's fine. And Mary out of her mouth, I thought it was like a confessional for a minute. And I looked at the screen, I saw she actually said it right

then. And she was like, I don't know about that. I don't actually know that you are okay with it. And I was like, for her to vocally say that, you know, she's not scared about letting her feelings and what she's thinking as well come out. So I like that about Mary. And I'm so interested to see how they solve or not. Now that both of them are there, coincidentally they made it through. So now what do y'all do with that information? I don't know.

And it seems like that this tribe is in just such dire straits in terms of that. I don't see how they're not headed back to another tribal council. I don't see it either. I have no idea. But I mean, stranger things have happened. Stranger things have happened. Y'all who did win at some point. Yeah, when there was a tribe swap, Tevin. Right? Am I thinking the wrong season? Oh God, no. They won. They won on their own. All right. So in your season, they finally won

and they sent Charlie and Maria's tribe to tribal council. Yes, but what sent me about that was the power that you said that would, that really sent me. I gotta be honest, Tevin, all these tribe names in the new era do blend together for me. They do. So I thought we were talking about the, you know, Caleb and Emily's tribe from season 45 for a second.

No, we talk about 46. 46, yeah. Was there something different that happened in that, for Yanu to finally win one? I mean, they kind of got the excess out of the way. So sometimes it's like, well, if you keep losing, you feel like you're losing strength and we lost Kevin or whatever. But sometimes it's not so much about the physical strength as much as it is

the emotional strength. And so I think that once Yanu kind of got some of the people that they feel like were bogging them down a little bit, they opened themselves up to actually connect with one another, Kenzie, Tiffany, and Q. And then they made a pretty good run together as a trio. So if Vula can get the whatever they deem as excess out of the way, they might actually lock in and start really pulling some weight. Okay, we'll see. We'll see.

Yeah, it's, you know, the stranger things that happened on survivor, but I don't feel too great about it. Kevin, they might switch tribes. You never know. I mean, they might switch and then they may not go back because that tribe is no more next time next week. Who knows what they're going to do. Let me ask you a little bit about Kevin because Kevin was somebody who I came into the game. I think a lot of people thought Kevin, OK, this guy could win. This guy is a total package. And ultimately, he ends up going out second.

And I thought that it was interesting that, you know, he went on this journey of like he did that. He did the challenge. They call the fight for supplies challenge. And I do feel like that when I think about the players that have done this so far in two seasons of Asia, TK, Kevin, like it hasn't gone great for them. I feel like that there might be something to this of like,

it's not just like sweat versus savvy that, okay, you're on the beach and you're just separated, but people can at least see you. Like you leave, like I think this is really bad for the players. Yeah, I think it is. And it's so much, you know, wait, but it reminds me of what season is that?

Is the old school, well, they used to do it a lot back in the day of like, you know, one person has to go off and be like, are you gonna choose, you know, to go get an idol?, are you gonna choose, you know, to go get the idol or are you gonna go, you know, get rice for your people? Yeah, and then they have to decide and then the tribe comes back and they're like, what the hell, you didn't.

So it puts a lot of weight on, you know, one person, which puts a huge spotlight on you when it's already a small six person tribe. So there's nowhere to hide. And so you have to do well. But Kevin won, TK won. And they both ended up going out early. Right.

So, but you know, but I thought with Kevin too, like, cause I did, you know, the Bryce and Wynn, I did a podcast with them a couple of weeks ago, I think. The preview the season. Yeah. And so, you know, the, I said, when I was looking at Kevin's stuff, cause I think in one preview the season. Yeah, and so, you know, I said, when I was looking at Kevin's stuff, because I think in one of his entries,

he said something like he wanted to play like Caleb, and he was a model for Abercrombie, I think, and Fitch, and you know, his smile and charm, and I was like, ah, I don't know, because that smile just might get you in trouble, and you might lead with it, and miss the grimaces behind you. And so I think that that's what happened. But yeah, the grimaces behind you. I mean that you're smiling and enjoying life and being like, let's be happy and joyful and

cheerful. And that joy is blinding you to the shadows that are accumulating behind you to say, let's actually target him. Let's actually get that person out. They think that they have a grip on what's going on here, but let's get them up out of here. But it is interesting that they won and then go home. It's like, so is it that the players feel like, oh, they accomplish that thing, so they're playing?

I feel like new era, everything that you do is playing hard, and that's what I was mentioning earlier. If you breathe too much in one direction, you're playing too hard and you gotta go. And people aren't thinking about, well, if you get rid of that person that's playing hard, who's the next person that's playing hard? What does that do for you?

What is that? Who is the next person that's playing hard? What does that do for you? What is that? Who is the next target after that? Or, I don't know, you breathe too hard and you're gone. Yeah, so I talked to Kevin this morning and in the exit interview, you know, he was talking about how he was just sort of like thinking ahead in terms of like, okay, this tribe is not doing so hot.

And okay, we could vote out Mary tonight, but if we go to tribal council again, I'm next. And so I think that his like, internal clock was sped up a little bit in that, okay, I am one person away from getting voted out of the tribe. I'm four out of four in that four person alliance that I'm in. So the only way for me to save myself is to make a play to save Mary tonight and get Say out. Yeah. I just think it's always like and I just thought it when they started editing it I was like oh my god it's gonna be Kevin

I was just I was so sad but it's like sometimes you're safe like sometimes you're good and sometimes the paranoia makes you then do stuff that then gets you sent home, which is why the day that I went home, it kind of looked like I was just kind of like lackadaisical at camp, but I felt like it could have been me, but I didn't want that paranoia to make me start running around the beach so that then people would put it on me if it wasn't.

And so sometimes people get so spooked that they try to make a play or make a move and try to get it away from them so they can save themselves, but now you put yourself in danger. And he wasn't in a danger position to begin. He would have been fine if he didn't say anything about trying to get Say out of the game.

Do you think in the pre-merge, is it too early to be thinking about the next vote, the next vote, or do you feel like that he was right to think that way based off of how this tribe is going? No, I don't, and I feel like Jeff says this too, you cannot start to think about three days from now because you ain't gotta worry about three days if you can't make it to the next hour.

So you have to like really go day by day and like step by step. Say had a idol, say could be like, you know what? I need this idol for, you know, when there's 13 people left in the game. But you have to play that idol when you feel like you're about to go home because the idol doesn't matter if you don't make it.

So I think it is all about preserving your spot for today and then adapting to what that may cause tomorrow. So you may feel like you could go home in a couple days, but that's a couple days. Stay tonight and then figure out how to get out of it when that day gets here. I think that's a really good point, especially in the new era.

I think it's so unpredictable. You have no idea what could happen. I mean, even look at like in your tribe that you could have a medical evacuation. There could be any number of different things that could happen and completely alter the landscape of the game. I think that it's very hard to be thinking ahead,

even to the next tribal council. I think that going back to Queen Sandra that you met, anybody but me is not the worst way to play the pre-merge. That's it. Sandra will tell you in a heartbeat, look, I don't care who we got to vote, long as it ain't me, I'm good. And like that, I love when she does that.

And Kevin said that, you know, I think it was that last episode of this one, and either last one or this one, he was like, listen, it ain't me, I'm good. And I was like, great, just stay the course until you absolutely have to make a move. And I felt like he kind of, he kind of squandered that a little bit, unfortunately. But yeah, I wanted Kevin to stay. I was really rooting for Kevin. I wanted Kevin to go.

Yeah. He seemed like a really nice guy. And when I talked to him this morning, he seemed like that, you know, he's having a, you know, a hard time with, you know, with it all. He was so excited to be there. And then, you know then it's a disappointment if it doesn't go your way. But here's the thing, and I hope that he watches this because, Kevin, if you do, hi, I love you. But I think that it doesn't matter if you go out first or if you win the game. I think that everyone that plays this game

needs to be super proud of what they do and how far that they got even if it's you know Three days because it takes a lot of work to get out there it takes a lot of work once you get there and it takes a lot of work to watch it after you've been there and and so That is like you are one of I don't know 800 people that have played this game And so it is such a beautiful Badge of honor to have been there and to even have Jeff say,

the tribe has spoken to you. So I wear my exit with a badge of honor. And I hope that Kevin and Steph and all those people just know that they really have done something extraordinary no matter where they place. Yeah, I really think that that's the right attitude that you have to have because I could tell you, a whole bunch of people that have won the game

and they have nothing but like negative experiences to talk about. So you really have to, you know, reframe whatever, like there's a win in anything that you can take from this experience and I think that the challenge is sometimes to find it, but it's there if you go looking for it. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely there.

That's my whole story. I'm just like, listen, if I wake up in the morning and like everything is good, you could find a way to turn something into sunshine and rainbows if you just put the effort in. But also that's not to say to wash away your experience either so if Kevin is like, listen, this is a struggle to watch back take that time

But but remember that you are great too. So I think you can hold both. Okay I want to talk about the Loggie tribe because I think that this is another interesting group We saw the that's purple. Yeah purple. Okay. I see it's that's so easy to know all the tribe names. It's hard It takes me a minute to get comfortable with names and like, I gotta, but I'm getting there. I'm getting there too, two weeks in. But okay, we had Star with sort of the odd person out last week.

And then of course, you know, perfect survivor poetry, the person who's on the outs finds the idol. And now she has the beware advantage and she starts to enlist help, no pun intended, just to get some help from the group. And here she is. But I would love to get your take on

how all the other players are approaching this situation with Star. I love Star. I was worried about her when it started because for the opening preview stuff, it felt like she was going to be wow. And she doesn't feel that way with the tribe. I think she has energy and she has a little spunk, but she's not as chaotic as I thought that she was going to be.

But I also, I didn't, it takes five seconds for somebody, somebody got to be on the bottom. Somebody's on the outs, it doesn't matter what you do, somebody got to be on the bottom and somebody got to go home. And so they've established that it's Star. For me, you know, Thomas said something like, you know, oh, I've been waiting for you to come up to me. I've been waiting for you to open up.

And for me, you know, my interpretation of that was like, well, I think it's easier for them to open up to Star than it would be for Star to open up to them because I can say from my experience, it is difficult to be in a space where nobody looks like you and you have to then try to integrate into that. And so everybody else there has somebody that looks like them and they can kind of relate and shoot the, you know what? And Star doesn't really have that. And so I think that her being on the bottom and them

kind of instantly wanted her to go, I was like, oh no, this is like breaking my heart. It's like really, really breaking my heart. And I did hate though, also her, everybody knows about her event., everybody knows about her event. Like everybody knows about it now. Can I ask you a little bit more about that with Star? Because I'm like Jeff on the mat talking to Mitch, like let me know if I'm asking about this correctly. But I feel like that for Say,

Say had Cedric on the tribe. And then you had where, okay, Kevin is going to other people and saying like, hey, let's go and take out Se. And you had Cedric and they had a connection. And Cedric like went to bat for Se and told her to play her idol. And for Star, she doesn't have that on her tribe.

She, I'm glad that is exactly what I, that is her, I thought about that. And so it is important to have somebody like that that can look out for you. And it doesn't have to be somebody that looks like you. Anybody could have done that for her, but it is such a specific experience to, you know, for Cedric and Se and for, you know,

black people to have somebody else that understands the culture, the weight, and the way in which we navigate as a people. And I think that what it is in the game, because it is a microcosm of real life, I don't think that that tribe was like, well, let's just get Se-Yaw because she doesn't look like us.

That's not what's happening. But I think that unconsciously, people gravitate to what they recognize and they leave behind what they don't. And they don't recognize, uh, Star. And so they've left her behind and, and she needs to be where they said, said that, you know, she reminds me of my daughter, you know, my daughter. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it's important. It's important to have that. And, and like I said, Star does not. And so for her to be on the house and then to watch them kind of try to get her,

you know, on top of that, it's just kind of like, you know, pounding on it and pounding on it, pounding on it. I'm like, oh my God, I wish I could just help you and I can't. But then I love that she's the one that found the advantage. In fact, all three tribes, it was the, you know, the, a black person that found each one of those advantages, which I was like, okay, black excellence. Um, but, uh, and we'll get to, you know,

them handing it over and having somebody else do it for them in a moment. I'm sure. But, um, you know, it, it, I'm so happy that she found the advantage and then turned her bad luck into instant good luck. Well, I guess we'll see. Because Star- We will see. Yeah, so Star really starts off a little bit on the back foot. And we saw where, okay, there was the conversation

where Eva says, we want you to sit out of the challenge, which ultimately Star did end up sitting out of the challenge. But I feel like maybe they could have come in first. Eva sank a bunch of the basketballs, but Star is also a basketball player. Might've been good to have her there in that challenge. But we saw that Star ends up recruiting some help from Joe, from Shaheen, and ultimately, you know, Thomas and Bianca too.

Yeah, I mean, the whole the whole tribe knows that you have this thing and you were trying to keep it from from, you know, Ava, but there was no way like you're playing Survivor, there's no way that you can tell everybody and then Ava will not find out about it So you might as well just set the tribe down and be like hey, I got this thing. Let's just decode it together so Everybody knows about it now, but the danger is that you cannot use This thing that you have Effectively not anymore because now everybody knows you got it So now people are trying to circumvent you from using it the proper way if they need to because they know that you have it

when you could have used it as a sneak attack to circumvent what they got going on. So now by you telling them, you've kind of given your power over to them over the idol or advantage that you are supposed to have. Yeah. I think it's gonna be interesting for Star. Like Star needs to get this thing unlocked.

Once Star has that and it's like, hey, guess what? I'm not going home. I've got the thing, I'm going to the tribal council, and I'm not going home. You all figure something else out. I think that that could be the opening that she needs of like, okay, well now this group of five that seems very tight,

suddenly they gotta figure something out. Yeah, something's gotta happen. But if they, I don't know what they're going to do. Shaheen gives me hope. I think he's going to help because the whole thing about it is, and I'm glad that he thought, I was like, oh, you are a brilliant player because it takes, it is short-sighted for somebody to see people on the bottom,

well, for people to see someone on the bottom and to say, that's the easy person, let's get them out. Rather than recruiting somebody who has nowhere else to go and say, let's actually shake this up because now I'm gonna get your loyalty because you have nobody else to give it to. Yeah. And Shaheen did that. Yeah, and I think he's a smart player

because I think that, okay, Joe has his person, it's Eva, and Thomas has his person, it's Bianca, and Shaheen, he has the California girls, you know, the three guys, but he doesn't have a sub alliance. He doesn't have like a person in his back pocket. And I think that him and Star could end up being that duo from that tribe that ultimately if everybody,

it's a weird tribe, like the guys are together, but each of the guys has like a sub alliance. Yeah, yeah. It's so, I hope that tribe doesn't implode. It kind of gives like the great, but I think it could hit a boiling point. And I think that it might just- Could that be the NAMI tribe of this season?

I think so. I think so. And they put this little, you know, piece in of Shaheen saying, yeah, I don't think we're going to hear Jeff say, you know, whatever, some tribal council thing or give us whatever he said, we're not going to hear that. And I was like, that was weird. That's suspicious. So I don't know, but they might just implode, but I hope that Shaheen and Star can come together and make some stuff shake and get that thing unlocked and then make it. Which I also love that each one of those cryptograms is different and they have different words

to open up. They got the hardest one, this tribe. They got the hardest one, because the other two, you had to just find the letters, but to put a map up to the animal, to figure out what letter that looks like, and then, that's crazy. And we know, cause we've seen these letters on the other tribes, that it's an L,

and Shaheen thinks it's a V. A V, it's a V. I'm like, oh God, it's, oh God. I don't know what they go do, but I'm like, it's L. I'm like screaming at the TV, it's a L, it's a L. It's a L, clear the way, like it's a L, but they're just not getting it. So, but I imagine that it is difficult

when you don't know what to look for. Like we are kind of fed the information obviously. We've seen it three times. Yeah, we've seen it three times. Tevin, if you were part of this tribe, and let's say you were somebody who didn't want Star to have the hidden immunity idol, how would you have handled this situation?

My thought is, my question is, and I don't know if you know this, if somebody finds a Beware Advantage, hands it to me and says, you figure this out, and willingly has given it to me, that person gets voted off. Can I keep said Beware Advantage, or do they take it? I don't think so, because, I mean,

isn't that what happened with Randan and Venus? That if, when Randan had found the thing, or I guess did he tell Venus where the thing was? And then, and then what happened? Then Hunter ended up finding the, the B-word. I guess they probably redistributed that. I don't remember exactly how that went,

but they probably don't let you do that then. Cause my thought was like, if you have willingly given it up, I felt like Randen said he was trying to, but maybe he couldn't in time. I don't remember, but I thought if you were willing to give it to somebody, because they didn't know you all did keep it. Yeah, I don't know if you bequeath the beware advantage to somebody and then do they get to keep it? I really like-

The people will figure it out in the comments. I'm sure that they have like the rules for what this was. And I really, I don't remember if, if Randan had told Venus the clue, like verbally, but he didn't give her the clue. And because he got voted out, then Hunter ended up finding the finding the beware advantage. And it's also interesting because that we see

when people play the idol, then they hide like a plain idol. It's not gonna be a new beware advantage that's gonna be at the camp that, you know, Say and Mary are at. Right. So, I don't know about that then, but my first thought was like, if she gave it to me and I'm like, okay, well, you know, then just get her out

and then I'll keep it and then, you know, do it myself. But I think that what, well, he hasn't made a decision yet, but the best course of action I think is to utilize Star to use her loyalty that she is gonna give to you and you give to her by helping her open this thing because she's on the bottom and going for it that way. I think Thomas's idea of destroying it and that setting off alarm bells for Shaheen

was a great clock and I think that that is a dangerous play to be around and I would not have done that. I certainly would have helped, you know, Star. But I'm also coming at it from a different lens of like, you know, I see Star and I'm like, I wanna help. And so, but I would have done what Shaheen did. Yeah, I think that for Thomas, that was easy to say.

He doesn't really have the skin in the game of, he's not gonna be the person that has to go back to Star and be like, oh, I lost the thing. Where was it? So, it would have been easy for Thomas to do that. But for Shaheen, I think he sees the benefit of like, okay, but then I could be tight with a person. All of a sudden, the person that is on the bottom,

I could be like have a solid alliance with the person that has the idol. That's it. That's it. This could be partially my idol. She's gonna owe me one. That's the thing. Like all of these idols that have been opened.

I'm like, if I particularly when Camilla, you know, which I wanna call her Kamala so bad because her name is kind of spelled like it would say Kamala. But it's Kamala. But you know, if I open this up, I want to keep it. It would be hard for me to do all the work to open up something for you and then to hand it over to you. And I watched it on my uncle last night

and my uncle was the one that watched Survivor from the beginning. She got me on it. She is the person that, super fan of it. And me and her sit in the same spots that we sat in from the beginning and watched Survivor together even to this day and last night when we watched it she said when Kyle got that you know I don't he shook it he was like I got a idol I got a idol and she was like well listen finding it and

solving it is two different things and I said bingo I said now you thinking like a survivor player and that is true so you know it is hard different things. And I said, bingo. I said, now you're thinking like a survival player. And that is true. So it is hard for me to wrap my brain around somebody has solved the entire puzzle for you. And then it still is yours. Granted, but like you're saying, it kind of partially becomes mine if we use it together.

But it's just, I don't know, it just feels like you work so hard to open it for somebody. I kind of like, I want it. You know, when it's not you doing the thing, everybody always talks such a big game. My wife is like, you tell them, go screw themselves. Like, all right, all right, all right. I'm the person that has to talk to this person.

Like, this is easy for you to say as the puppet master, but it's tough to actually then go back and do the thing and then face Star and tell her what you did to the other. But Tevin, could you tell me, how did Aunt Go-Go react to watching you on Survivor? There's a video of her watching the trailer for the first time on my social media somewhere, but she, so I told her when I first got the call,

when they were like, you're going. And so I, the next day, we went, I went to go watch Survivor that night. And then at the end of the episode, I told her and she she I mean Exploded ran around screaming. She cried she hugged me. She was like, oh my gosh, he called everybody It was like he's going And then to watch it on the big screen. She was like, oh my god

I just like she was like shaking waiting for me to pop up and when the trailer popped up and you know It was this big you know stay positive test negative and then a damn buff when all that happened I mean she was like out of her skin because we've been we've been watching it for like I don't know 10 12 years together she's been watching since day one I caught up later she got me on it and I kept saying I'm gonna apply I'm gonna apply I'm gonna apply I never did it and then I said I'm gonna do it I sat in the same spot I sit in to watch the episodes with her still,

the little red chair she got. I applied, I sent it off, and we just kind of joked about it. And so when it finally came to fruition, I think she was so outside of her body with excitement, disbelief, and also just like love for me that she just, she was gone. She was on a different planet.

Should they start the new season with Zoom calls from the most excited loved ones finding out like telling Aunt Gogo you're going to be on the show? Yes, that moment goes down. You had a great opening to your season to be fair. To be fair, yes, yes, to be fair, it was a pretty epic moment. But I think, you know, you if we're not going to get loved ones visits, I think anything that can connect me to a person's family that way is exciting as a fan to watch and as a player to have played. I think when you can integrate the people that have got me to this spot and the love that they have for me watching me do this thing, in addition to my own joy, I think when you can integrate the people that have got me to this spot and and the love that they have for me watching

Me do this thing in addition to my own joy I think that that's such a specific and beautiful thing that to wrap into this game So I would love it. I really want them to fly out there and to do loved ones business. That's what I envisioned. Okay Maybe that'll be on the vote for season 50 It might be I hope it is. Okay. I want to ask you about the journey that we saw last night. I know you went on the journey with famously with Jalinski and Maria. It seemed like that the players they had this new way of picking who goes on the journey. Can you remind us how did you get picked to go on the journey? We use our Shot in the dark and rolled it and then whoever's symbol came up is who went which was kind of the

Democratic way to do it. Yeah, did you like the way that they did it with this little game that they came up with? No, no What it does is that I think it takes the stakes off of the players. So we voted democratically. So we didn't go, you know, we didn't volunteer, we didn't choose somebody, we let the dice decide. But we also decided as a group that we were going to let democracy go that way. But I think that there's so much strategy that goes into how someone goes on a journey. Who's going to volunteer? Did they volunteer? Who feels like they're on the bottom? Are we going to let this person go so we can get them gone, so we can figure out how to get them away? Do we need to send

our person off so that they can hopefully get an advantage to bring back for the Alliance? I felt like it strips away the group consciousness that goes into the decision making on who goes to the journey by deciding randomly by chance. Yeah, well, I didn't think it was quite randomly because I thought that there was a couple things I liked about it. One, I liked that it involved some strategy. So if there's multiple people that wanted to go,

that you had this like, oh, do I put a one? Do I put a two? Do I put a three maybe? Because I gotta try to get the lowest unique number. But what I also liked about it was, hey, I don't wanna go on the journey. I'm throwing down a five, you know? I don't want any part of it.

So I felt like that it like was an elegant way for some players to just opt out. Maybe I'll put a four, I don't want people to think I really don't wanna go. But I think it really gave, cause sometimes there are players that are like, I don't wanna go on the journey, and they end up going on the journey and they lost their that are like, I don't want to go on the journey. And they end up going on the journey and they lost their vote like, I didn't even want to

be here. So I like that part. That is an interesting, that's an interesting take on it. Because I guess my thought was, why wouldn't you just throw, why does this thumb keep coming up? That's so hilarious. But, you know, my thought about it was, you know, why wouldn't you just throw one? Like, just throw a one. But I guess everybody would throw one and that would kind of complicate things. So, but that's interesting how you put it.

Everybody's thinking, oh, everybody's going to throw one. I better not throw one. But if you're the one person who does throw one. Right. So, that is an interesting way that you put that. I kind of thought that they were kind of taken away the ability for people to, you know, strategize on who gets to go. Now, what I will say is that I don't blame, say, for being a little upset about the decision for them to, to practice. I'm like, why are we practicing? Let's just do it. And she didn't say as much. Nobody said anything. Like there's no need to practice. I'm like, why are we practicing? Let's just do it. And nobody said anything. Like there's no need to practice because it just gives insight as to what people are going

to do. So let's just do it raw. And let's just, you know, the boat game. You say it again. Raw dog, the boat game. Just, oh my God. This is the this is the second podcast that I've done for somebody has mentioned wrong Oh My goodness, what was the first one? James said it in the James Jones What are you talking about he said something about raw dog and and then dog and then I was in a room with a dog and as soon as he said the dog was like, and I was like, did y'all hear the dog make noise? The dog wants no parts of this.

So I don't know what he was talking about, but he said raw dog and it all went south. So it's just the second time I've heard it in two weeks and it's just very interesting. So you feel like the guys should have had Saze back. I think so because he did say, I feel really good about this and then nobody said anything. Like they were like, let's practice. And she was like, no, let's, let's just do it. And then they didn't say anything and then they just did it. And so it did feel like from her perspective that they were just going to do it.

And for me, I'm like, well, if we go practice, what's the point of practice? Like, let's just, let's just do it. And then I think if y'all really rock with me, then and y'all want Mary out, then yes, stick behind me and let me go so that she doesn't go so that we can get her out unless y'all are lying to me. Mm-hmm. Yeah. If you have my back, like who cares about the rules?

Yeah, let me go. I don't understand what you all are doing. But again, I think that, you know, I don't blame her for the way she feels, but in the game, you have to be aware of social dynamics and you can't be so, you know, strong. And you know, Cedric was like, can you conceal your emotions?

And she's like, of course. Yeah, that's easy. That's easy. I haven't seen evidence of it yet. Yeah. So, you know, she has to mitigate some of that. yeah, that's easy. I haven't seen evidence of it yet. So, you know, she has to mitigate some of that. Kevin, do you think that that partially sunk Kevin when he was like very okay with Mary being the person to go where Say is like, hey, idiots, this is the worst case scenario.

And she could probably tell Kevin was like, no, this is cool. This is fine worst case scenario and she could probably tell Kevin was like no, this is cool This is fine if Mary goes to the thing Yeah, I think I think she clocks all that and I think that that Paired with is keeping score She's definitely keeping say say say is keeping all the score and and so between that his challenge performance was we will get to, and then him running around the beach saying her name, all three of those things,

that's three strikes, and he still will get four. So he was gone. So the players went on the journey, and I felt like that in your season, and we've talked about this before, that you and Maria made a real bond on the journey. It seemed like on this episode the players did not really have a chance to talk Do you feel like that the players got to talk for a little while and we just cut it out of the episode?

Cuz nothing happened. I Don't I don't think that that they did I think that they kind of just got right down to it They might have said a couple things, but it probably wasn't that significant. Oh, they would have put it in there. I'm sure The only thing that they really said, which was we are Thomas, like, you know, y'all want to do it. I like, is it optional? Like they have to collect. I think you put, you know, one finger out. You're there. Yeah, you got to go. He's like, y'all want to do it. Like, I think you have to. So, yeah.

But I don't think that they got to talk. And I think, y'all want to do it? I'm like, I think you have to. So yeah. But I don't think that they got to talk. And I think that it is a mistake to have that advantage to be there with different people and not say something, not find out what's going on with the other tribes, not find out some dynamics, not find out, hey, how are y'all feeling? Should we maybe build something for later down the road? Like, I think it's a mistake to just go in and go out. Nobody having a meltdown like Banu? Listen, listen, you don't know. Maybe they did. They just didn't show it. But that was a moment. Banu needed God. Banu said, God, please. And I understand that because sometimes you go through life and you just sit there and you just like things that go, all right, God, please. And I understand that because sometimes you go through life and you just sit there and you just like things

that go, all right, God, please. Yeah, and then he struck down Randan. He struck that, listen, God, he may not come when you want him, oh yeah. But he'll be there right on time. And so, you know, the lightning bolt struck Randan in the arm, right in the shoulder, but you know it potato potato. Yeah

How would have done Tevin? He's like such a mystery to us that was was randon like gonna be a big factor in survivor 46 I Think so I was excited to me and randon the day that he went home when I don't feel the day he went home But actually I know it wasn't but the the morning, one early morning, everybody was asleep and Randon and I had a great conversation on the beach. He shared some vital information with me about what was actually going on at camp and who was doing what and what factions were developing. We had kind of made a little bond about like, let's do it. He wanted to play with people who were playing the game and who were willing to play all the way to the end and if he

gets beaten because I think random and I think this comes from like his you know his his background his his job but he is loyal to the core and so he wanted to play the game with people who were playing and he was gonna rock with that and if he lost at the end it was gonna be an honorable, even if he knows the people he went with could be him, but it was honorable. And so I was looking forward to playing with Randon throughout the game. And I think that his pulse on the game was great.

I think that his social ability was pretty good. And I think that his strategy was very good. So I think he would have done very well and would have changed the whole dynamic of NAMI had he stayed. With this journey, I really feel like it was fine, but the best journey I think of the new era was the one that you went on. I really thought that that was the best game

that they played because I thought it like was, told us so much about the players and everybody had a role to play and you had to really, you had to commit to it or there was gonna be consequences for you and it was kind of lucky with what card that you drew, but there were real stakes and you had to really play against the other players as opposed to

three different people each doing a puzzle, which, you know, is fine. But I really felt like that the one that you did was like the players are playing against each other. And do you trust the person or do you have to call them out as a liar? On day two. Right, and it gives you a solid opportunity

to try to bond with these people or not to decide what kind of game you may have going forward if y'all integrate later on down the road, hopefully at Merge or whatever, which was nice. And it also added an extra element because we didn't know whether or not we lost our vote or got an extra vote until tribal. So Maria then has another step where she gets to decide privately once we leave whether or not she even believes us. So now we don't even know if what we did worked. And so when you go back you

could be lying or you could be... but it is the truth. Like we don't know what's gonna happen and so it kind of gives you the freedom to play it how you want to and puts the onus on the player to make the decision as opposed to the game to make the decision for you Whether or not you can get it. All right, we haven't talked too much about the other tribe the Siva tribe We took briefly about Kyle and Camilla. How are you feeling about this group? I think that I love Mitch. I just do I I just really do love Mitch. I love the editing that they did for this tribe of, you know, them because on TV, TV is made for erasing irregularity. TV is made for, you know, propping up the perfect and the image of what things should

be. And so to see them edit this You know singing together of them talking about all of their ideal You know synchroses and like all their different weirdness and and how things that mess up. I want to see Oh god charity and D have a toe-off I want to see the D charity foot show not like that. I think a lot of people might yeah Yeah, they might they might but the both of them have very interesting toe and feet compositions. You know, Dee can like pick up a Bud Light, you know, with her second toe because it's so long. Like she has gripping toes. She said this. She talked about this. So, you know, Charity has like the velociraptor

toes and then Dee has the grippers. And so I would love to see them, you know, compete with that. But I really genuinely love watching them share their, you know, weirdness together. So I think that they have bonded in a way that that is genuine and that I think that tribe could stay locked in for a while. Is this unusual for a tribe to, you know, be this close so soon? Did you find that you were sharing things and having things shared with you that people would not normally share like under a very short period of time? I mean, not so it's unusual for the whole tribe because I don't

subscribe to the thing that everybody has to get along like you just don't we're all different people but you know so that's unusual but I think that there's pockets of of it and so with like me I shared some you know stuff with with randon I shared you know private things with soda I shared private things with hunter so like I had moments where i really you do bond with people in such a deep way that you feel like i can trust you i can tell you this thing that is harboring you know that i'm harboring or whatever because you do you know bond pretty quickly but for a whole tribe to feel that open and for mitch to feel open enough to come back and say hey guess what i won i can block somebody somebody's vote and to be open enough

and genuine enough to have that and for everyone to collectively be on board that, you know, we love Mitch and we support him and we it is unusual and I enjoy it. I enjoy watching it. Now I think that it could crumble and I think that David is going to be the reason that it does. I think that David is going to be the reason that it does. I think that David is, yeah, he's going to be the reason that it falls apart. He, David, I, I don't, I don't know what he's trying to do, but he is, he's in danger. Molly, you in danger girl. Because he's a, he's meeting. He's meeting. Like he is just meeting. And in this new era, you know, you breathe wrong

and you're on the outs. And I think that- Now, what did he say? He said he's meaty? Meaty. He's an incredible Hulk. Like, meaty. Like Thor, Thor's older brother. Like, like Jonathan Young's, you know, first cousin. Like, meaty. Yeah. you know, first cousin like meeting me. Yeah. And so I think it's easy, you know, with him being out there,

because by a long shot, he is the most built person out there. And so, you know, it's easy for him to be, you know, a target. And so I don't know if he's trying to, you know, put targets on other people before it comes to him. Or I don't exactly know what his thought process is yet But I think that when he mentioned, you know, Mitch is playing really hard

I'm like Mitch hasn't really done anything Mitch up to this point. Mitch hasn't really done anything. That's too hard um, and so I think he has this thing where He is trying to prove that he's great and he's he mentioned about, I need to show the world how good I am at this or how good I am. And I think that that statement let me know that he is trying to outplay himself. And when you try to outplay yourself, you will get outplayed by others.

And so I think he is trying to build a faction to tear apart, you know, Charity and Mitch. But I think the people are rallied behind, you know, Mitch. I think they will rally behind Mitch, and I think that it might, the gavel might fall on him before it falls on somebody else. So I don't know, he seems to be the point of contention

that is making other people feel like, you know what? Yeah, Mitch is playing really hard, yeah. Well, okay, I wanna ask you a tricky question about Mitch, because I feel like that Mitch came into the season, and you know, he has this great underdog story, but the underdog is doing a lot of incredible things. He's beloved. He has that great moment on the mat with Jeff

that we got to see in the episode. We saw him sink five baskets in a row. He goes on the journey. He aces the puzzle. At what point has Mitch gone from underdog to the person that we can't let this guy get anywhere near the final three? Right, that's the danger.

And I think he has racked that up. I think, if I'm remembering correctly, I think at the moment that David said, hey Mitch is playing too hard, I think that that was before all that other stuff happened. So by the end of the episode, yeah, Mitch's threat level soared and so now he didn't sunk those baskets and all the things that you just mentioned. So now it's a choice of, you know, how do we go forward with this? Do we let him, you know, be a target because he is a big one and let him stay there

and protect us from, you know, me from going home or do we mitigate that? So it's a fine line. But I almost feel like he's not gonna be a good, you said David is very meaty, but I feel like that Mitch, that if you go to the merge with Mitch, are they voting out Mitch first?

Like, I feel like that they're probably not. Right, right, because you would think that, you would think that David is gonna, you know, score, and he's a stunt person, and Jeff, you know, was like a stunt move. I don't remember if David announced that he's a stunt performer. Yeah, I thought the same thing. I'm like, hey, did Jeff blow up?

I'm sure that Jeff didn't. I'm sure Jeff is very careful about everything. I don't think it's ever happened in the history of the show where Jeff reveals somebody's job that they, like, wow. Like, Katara with a great legal maneuver. Like, he's never going to out not, he's never gonna out somebody's job that hasn't done it. So he, but we just didn't see it in the show.

Right. But for us, because we know what he does, to hear stunt, it triggered, you know, I was like, oh my God, he said stunt, he said stunt, he said stunt. So it was shocking for, you know, to hear that. But, but of course I, you know, I don't think anybody else would,

because he didn't do a stunt, he like flipped, and I was like, what's happening? But yeah, I don't know, you never can tell what people are gonna do. It's different every season, it's different, every player is different, and so I don't know yet what these players prioritize. Do they prioritize getting out people

who they think are going to be? Socially, you know dominant in regards to how we beloved them like Mitch and we need to get rid of that person or is it? David is very thick and we scared that he might really consume us Like protein when it comes to these challenges, you know that these individual challenges like what do we do with this? So I don't know yet what they would do. I don't know what the collective conscious is going to be about that. But I do think that David is running a high risk of being so vocal about wanting to prove something that that's going to terminate his game earlier than he wants, I think. Do you think this tribe will go to tribal council first?

Let me say. I don't know. I think that it's a higher chance for Vula to go before the other two go. So I think if Vula keeps the trend up, which so far the data is showing that Vula will probably go back, that they may not go. If they do go and they have to make a decision, I worry for Mitch because Because I think that David has put the seed into the other three, you know, Kyle, Chrissy, and who is the other person? Yeah.

That, you know, that Mitch is a problem. Him and Charity. So I think that's going to be between them. Tevin, last week, David said that he has three questions that he uses to get everything he needs to know from people. What kind of car do you drive? What's your favorite movie? And how do you like your steak cooked? First off, do you agree with David's three questions?

I don't wanna open up this, we'll go there. I think anybody who eats a steak that is below, I'm gonna say it again. Anybody who eats a steak that is below. I'm gonna say it again. Anybody who eats a steak that is below medium-well need to be institutionalized. That's just me. Okay. I don't want and they're like well you know no and I had a whole discussion about this on blue sky with somebody they were like no chef is going to cook your steak well done or medium well. They want, they think medium rare is the way you need to do it.

And I'm like, I don't want to hear the cow moo. I don't want to see the gushing red sea that comes out of the steak when I cut it. I need it well done. And for me, when I cook steak, I cook it well done. And it's as tender as the medium rare for me, because I know how to tenderize, moisturize, and marinate as the steak. So I don't know. So I agree. I agree with his steak assessment. The car, I don't know, because a lot of rich people drive Hoopties

and that's how they stay rich. So you don't know what somebody got going on about the car. And the favorite movie? I'm half and half on that. I'm half and half on the movie one. What's your favorite movie? Shrek. Shrek, okay.

Shrek one is my nostalgic favorite. Shrek two is a banger. Shrek one is my nostalgic favorite. Shrek two is a banger. Shrek three, all right. All right. Shrek four. Shrek five. Wait, hold on. Shrek, that's good or that's bad?

No, no. Shrek three is where they should have stopped. No, Shrek two is where they should have stopped. Shrek three is like, let's stop. Shrek four. But Tevin, this is the new era. Shrek 3 is where they should have stopped. No, Shrek 2 is where they should have stopped. Shrek 3 is like, let's stop. Shrek 4, now you do what you want. But Tevin, this is the new era Shrek. Oh my God. Oh my God. Shrek, no. I don't want a new era Shrek. It's so bad and so awful. It's dangerous fun for Shrek. Shrek is so bad. Have you seen the images of the new one?

What did they do to Shrek? Everything. Yeah. The animation looks worse in 2025 than it does in 2001. It looks awful. He looks like he's got a brow lift. He looks like he has gotten a cheek reduction. Let Shrek live. We don't body shame. No, Shrek needs the hope. Shrek need the whole Shrek gotta glow up Tevin not you saying I'm Shrek shaming Shrek and Fiona Fiona took the this the okay tell me why what's what's wrong here what wrong with Shrek? I'm so sure. Oh my god, not you. No, you did not!

Look at this! Donkey looks like he's been electrocuted today. Donkey looks electrocuted today. He had three children. I don't know who this woman is. I guess that's one of the babies. Is Zendaya in the new Shrek? Zendaya is the teenage mutant ninja turtle over there. That's Zendaya, that's her character. She's in her. Four tickets to Challengers, please.

Can you imagine? So, Donkey looks electrocuted. The Gen Z warrior Zendaya over there is one of the three babies. I don't know where the other two are. Maybe they in college and she dropped out. Fiona looks a mess. The ear, I don't even know.

It looks like Photoshop ear. What is this face? Does she have teeth? I don't know. I'm concerned about her. She should get veneers. Maybe, well, I don't know if she has anything. It's given gums.

It's given just gums. So maybe she's old and just she has gums. And Shrek, his eyebrows just, they, they, he just looks like brow lift. The cheek reduction it's giving, you know, filtered. It, it, it, he looks a mess. He looks, it looks like AI. It looks like,

You know what they did? They did. It looks like they went and said, chat GPT, make me a green character similar to Shrek, but not for the new era Gen Z appropriate, also with a spunky flare dynamic. Enter and that popped up and they went boom. Wow. Shrek 5. Okay.

When does Shrek 5 come out? I'm passionate about this. At the end of this year, I think? It's May 2025. November. Wicked. I don't know. Maybe, maybe. I don't know when it comes out. Well, green people are hot. Green people are hot right now. And so they were like, oh. They're having a moment.

Oh. So everybody's so excited because Elphaba looks so good in Wicked with the green. Watch this. Watch this. Time to bring back Shrek, baby. Time to bring back Shrek, baby. Time to bring Shrek back, baby. Full face like this. December, 2026. So right around the time we'll be talking about

the Survivor 51 finale, we'll be talking about, will you come back for the Shrek 5 movie recap, Tevin? Did you say December, 2026? Yes. Oh my God. I don't even care about the movie no more. I don't even I'm just going to go watch the first one and the second one and pretend that nothing comes after that. Yeah, I hate this.

So you can tell a lot about me by my passion for Shrek. So maybe there's something to movies telling you something about a person. Again, if you eat a steak above medium well, institutionalized, cars don't tell you nothing, movies do. That's my thought. Kevin, I have some questions for you from the listeners. Let me start off and ask you a question of, okay, Hartley wants to know, as a player, how did you hide your emotions, especially during tense moments? Did your acting background help?

What a great question from Hartley Jaffeine. Yes, it's two things. So one, it's specific for me because I'm an actor. And so I know how to turn on a dime, how to improv in a second and how to turn something into something else. Now I didn't always do that because I was trying to be authentic and so,

and genuine as I am. And so if I felt something, I might say it and be like, hey, I told Soda to her face, I can't trust you. I don't trust this. And I was very vulnerable about that, but my eye thing helped me navigate it. But also living in this country as somebody who looks like me, I have to go through life every day knowing how to like code switch on a dime and in different circumstances. So it is just innate in life to know how to hold my emotions

because my emotions coming out is different than somebody else's emotions coming out. Liz can have a temper tantrum. And if I have one, it reads completely different. So I have to know how to mitigate that because I know what the perception outside could be. Yeah. That's so interesting. Did that come up in any way in Survivor 46? up in any way in Survivor 46? Yeah, I mean, I do think that, you know, there was a time when I did have a conversation with Venus about like, I think she said, you know, well, can we call me out? You know, if I do something, call me out. When we had a long conversation about everything and she was like, call me out, call me out. And I was saying, I can't call you out in public.

I have to pull you aside because when I call somebody out in public, it reads differently being a black man, you know, than it would for, you know, you to call me out in public. Like it just, it's different. And so I think that it did come up, you know, for that instance that I can recall right now. So, and I think that, you know up, you know, for that instance, that I can recall right now. So and I think that, you know, I'm not alone in that. I think that that's kind of across the

board with, you know, the black players that are played. We understand that there's a social game happening in the social game that we have to be conscious of during the game. Now, is that on the island or is that in the eyes of the viewers who are watching the show? I think both. I think it's both. So maybe it's a game within a game within a game. It's like it's a three layered cake really, but it's certainly the people right. It's the people there and then it's the people that are gonna be watching,

and it's just the nature of the game as well. But I think because I have to do that, it's natural. So somebody says something, I just know how to take it and just go forward. But I think also I am just a specific joyful joyous person, and so I don't have outbursts of emotions. I don't react that way. I think, I process, and then I let my words speak

what I need to say. Okay, your tightest ally ultimately in the game was Hunter. And I'd like to talk about some of the partnerships in the game. How did you identify that Hunter was, besides that you both like Andy Griffith, how did you identify that Hunter was the perfect partner for you to be working with in Survivor?

Before, what I guess people didn't see is that when Hunter and I, we were already building the ship, like we were already getting the shelter together We were hunting for food like we had started as soon as we got there We started working like let's get our tribe together And so when we went off to go get vines to type, you know to build our shelter and stuff hunter Asked me like about singing and then I found out that you know

He teaches at the school and that you know, he loves God and that the singing actually that they it's a part of their ministry It's a part of the education that they do there and like their devotion to God So when we started talking about religion, that was the lead-in and I was like, okay I didn't know cuz I thought me a hundred would get along when I saw him on my tribe I was like damn I did not want this man on my tribe because I thought for sure he was going to be the most straight, toxic, masculine depiction of what I thought he was going to be and that my energy and how I exist was not going to vibe with him. And it was the complete opposite. We bonded over God immediately and I went boom. And so we just kind of locked

in immediately over faith and then Andy Griffith happened. And then all of it just felt right. It just felt right. Okay, so Jeff has said this is gonna be a season of partnerships and some of the partnerships are gonna work and some of the partnerships are not gonna work. That can you give us a little bit of your thoughts on some of the duos we're seeing already in Survivor 48?

And I can throw them at you if that would be easier. It might be, but I'm gonna start here. Camilla and Kyle, I think that her opening up that, beware advantage for him, really cemented something special for them. And I love that they've come together. Because I wasn't sure what Camila existed in the dynamic. And I felt like she was kind of just out there. But I think now she has a pretty secure spot.

So I think that they could be good if they stay the course. And they really lean on each other. I'm hoping that Star and Shaheen come together and make that duo. I think that could be strong. I love Mitch and Charity. I think that that is a very genuine. So out of all of them, so let me redact a little bit. I think that my favorite is Charity and Mitch because it is rooted in authenticity and genuine humanness. So there's the game and then there's who they are as people

and you can't break that. And then to go along with that is Ava and Joe, another genuine, authentic, rooted in humanity type of alliance. That's not gonna break. And so I don't know that Camilla and Kyle are necessarily bonded that way yet, but those two that I just mentioned are. So Tevin, you're saying that people who have a bond that's over, you know, something, some type of like their, you know,

you know, an emotional human bond is stronger than the people who maybe just have like, hey, we get along, we like the same movie. That's a tighter alliance, the human connection. That's it, that's what it's all about. And that's why Hunter and I were so close and why he felt willing to run around the beach, though he should have came and told me, but that's the other thing. But he felt comfortable to run around the beach

to try to save me because we had that connection and it was rooted in Our faith and that is a deep part of our human experience those people are sharing things that are part of their human experience And so it's it is less likely for that to break than it is for other duos to break because they're based on contingency of You know, you've done this for me and so of, you know, you've done this for me and so. These other people that bonded not because of anything other than I see you as a human and that's beautiful and strong for their gang.

OK, question from Gible. When Kyle gave his idol to Camilla and she unlocked the cryptics, would she be wrong to take that idol for herself? Now Aunt Coco says no problem there, but should she do that? Can she do that? I don't know, but I think I wrote, let me look, I think I actually wrote it down in my notes. And I said-

When Mama J had that idol, she didn't give it back to Austin. I know, I know. Like you don't have to, I don't think you have to. So the whole thing about it is like, it would be hard for me to have done that work because she was scratching letters into her sandy dirty dusty thigh to unscramble this word.

Like that, it wasn't even like she gave him clues and like he figured it out. She did the entire thing. So would it have been dirty? Sure. But also what are you gonna do about it? I mean, if you want it to be dirty, I have an idol. So if I want you to go home or anybody else,

I'm gonna do that. But I think it's smarter for her to utilize her ability and loyalty to garner something. Because my hot take on it is that you don't ever have to use the idol to actually use it. She doesn't need the idol to use the idol. It can save you from going home if you're going home. That's obvious.

But I think- That's what a lot of people on your season thought of, that I don't have to use the idol to have the idol. That's fair. That's fair. But if you do it right, I did not do that. I call that the Tavern Curse because right after I went, everybody behind me went. You set it into motion.

Everybody behind me went out to idols. But I think in my brain, if you do it right, you can build bonds with people because I didn't't use my, you know, extra vote. I never used it. I went home with it, but it wouldn't have worked if I used it anyways, I could have burned it up, whatever. But I built relationships and I used it as a means for connecting with, you know, other people and trying to, like Star said, you want a cookie?

I'll give you a cookie. So you could use it as a vantage point. You just got to use it right. And if you do need to play it, you need to play it. I think that's where my season messed up. I think they used it to build stuff, but then they didn't follow through when it was necessary to use it.

So she can still use it though she doesn't have it. The Girl Who Married TV wants to know, I really enjoyed Tevin on the pod last season, but I need to know Tevin's humble trait. Tevin, do you have a humble trait? What is my humble trait? Um, I don't have any, I'm trying to think of all the things they talked about. I'm like, I don't have any like weird.

Have you ever heard that phrase before? A humble trait? I had heard it before. Yeah, I never heard that before. I had used it. Yeah. It's, you know, God, God humbles you with, with something. Um, I heard it before. Yeah, I never heard that before. I had used it. Yeah, you know, God humbles you with with something. I don't know. I don't have like a weird physical thing on my body. That's like other than like I said, my thumb. I did have like a hernia,

but I got to remove before I played. So I was in the you know, I went and got a surgically removed. It's a hereditary, you know, in my stomach. And it was just like I had like an Audi. So now I have an 80. My son had that. Yeah. Yeah. So I got mine laparoscopically removed. And so now it's gone. But I don't have anything that's like, you know, I'm humble, but I don't have a humble trait, like a physical part of my body that is like decrepit. I don't have like gripping toes like Dee and Charity. Okay, all right. And then Survivor Neurotic says,

how do you feel that Loggy compares to Nami? Do you see Star being in a similar position to Venus? And what do you believe is Star's best option to rebound from being on the bottom? best option to rebound from being on the bottom? I can see that similarity there. And again, and this is why I preface earlier, like I don't know, they didn't show why Star is on the bottom. Like I don't, from my perspective, I don't really see why that is. But you ask the players, they may be like, well, we first got here and Star was, you know, doo doo doo doo doo. And this is why, you know, Star, they may be like, well, we first got here and Star was, you know,

doo doo doo doo doo doo. And this is why, you know, Star ended up being on the bottom. So, but I think that it definitely has a similar tone to it. And I think it's also poetic of, you know, her being the one that finds the the beware advantage and that, you know, Venus finding the beware advantage and getting that and like having some say. So I think that the thing to draw from it is like, don't ever count yourself out. And I don't think that Star is, I think I said, did I say say a minute ago? Like I said, say, but maybe I didn't. We say say so many times. Yeah. I say say so I'm like, I don't know if I'm talking about the action or the

thing or the person but I think I think that Star can get out of this and I think that Shaheen is her way out I think that Shaheen is gonna flip that game around what the word bed is to the idol if she gets it but I think that her and Shaheen are gonna flip that dynamic around. Star and Venus both both celestial objects that you see in the night sky. Yes, yes, yeah, yeah. That's true too. I didn't think about that. I didn't think about that, but yeah.

So that's another common thing that's true. Don't tell Say we're talking about the stars though. Let's just leave the stars alone. I said that, I was like, star was back at camp. Like, now how did I get thrown into this? I don't they just battling back forth about stars What is going on here? But um yeah, that was an interesting tribal council, too. Yeah, do you say says whatever? Do you feel like?

Astrological signs are important on Survivor No, I I subscribe to them a little bit and they're fun to like bond over and like I do, you know, hear people talk about their traits and they're like, I'm exactly like that. And they'll read me and be like, are you a tourist? And I'm like, yes. And then they'll read me down exactly who I am. I'm like, that's so weird that you know that. But I don't think that it matters unless you have people that care about it.

Like say, who probably, you know, based some of her decision on after hearing, oh, you're an air sign, you know, if people believe in it, then they're like, oh, well, we can't work together then. So they may base their whole game off of this astrological thing. But I don't think that it has too much to do with the game unless you care. Okay. Yeah. Look, I think it's interesting, but I don't know enough it has too much to do with the game, unless you care. Okay, yeah. Look, I think it's interesting, but I don't know enough about it, Tevin.

I don't, listen, somebody gotta tell me. I know about Taurus, but I don't know Capricorn's desires and weak compatibility with Virgos. Tell David my first car was a Ford Taurus. Oh, what does that mean? I don't know. Wow. Oh, I don't know. We need to do it. We need to get David to was a Ford Taurus. Oh, what does that mean? I don't know. Oh, I don't know.

We need to get David to do a reading on you. He needs to do a reading and see what that means. Do a reading. Okay, so Tevin, I had one other idea to spring on you here today because I don't know if you saw that they had had a Survivor 50 fan vote in the hands of the fans.

They're letting the fans decide a bunch of things about Survivor 50. Did you get to see the fan vote last week? I did. Okay, so the fan vote has, first off, the fan vote has closed. I found out that, okay, so basically, this was the first set of things we're gonna get to vote on. fan vote has closed. I found out that, okay, so basically this was the first set of things we're going to get to vote on.

The voting has closed. We are conducting our own exit polling. Here, Rob has a podcast. If you want to vote in our exit vote and tell us how you voted, go to robinswebsite.com slash S50 exit poll. We're trying to conduct very accurate exit polling on all this stuff. But, Kevin, I know that you are, in addition to being such a fun, talented survivor player, also one of the, maybe the most, maybe short of Maya Rudolph,

the world's most's second most renowned Kamala Harris impersonator. That's true, she's right here. Let me be clear, right? Okay, so Tevin, I thought it might be fun since you do such a great impersonation that could we channel Kamala to weigh in on her positions on the Survivor 50 fan vote?

Do you think that we could do that? I think she's always ready, right? So we can do that. Yeah. Okay. Because you know, that gotta do interviews with the candidates, let's sit down and let, you know, let Kamala's positions be clear.

Let me be clear on these positions. And there were four categories that we got to vote on. Yes? Yes, that's correct. I want you to know that I had to film a Kamala video yesterday, so this, she's right here. Okay. All right. And you're still, you got the cameos going still? Yeah. I have cameos going, let's be very clear. I have merch that you can buy, right? I have

all of it, right? So, and here's the thing. I believe that it is so important that we continue to build each other up and build community. And so we can do that by getting a cameo. Yes, thank you, Vice President Harris. And it is very important that we build the survivor community up. And I think this is a great way to do it.

Now, Vice President Harris, there were, they were letting us vote on the colors of the buffs. Did you happen to see the buff colors that were put out there? Did you have an opinion on that? One was blue, orange and green. Then there was orange, teal and purple. What was green, red and yellow? Well, here's the thing. If I had to endorse one, I would certainly do the blue, right?

For the Democratic Party, right? Yeah. Okay. So I would say which everyone has blue Yeah, what would the other colors so one has blue orange and green but one is what kind of teal? I don't know if it's really, you know Democratic Party teal Right. So our blue orange and green You endorse. Yeah, that that's what I would say. Yeah green new buffs

Okay, yeah Great. Uh, well, well, here's let's be clear. We have to bring some green back Because we Out of the green new deal. Mm-hmm. So in place of the green new deal, we should bring back green buff Okay, that's that's a tough one. That's a tough one. Okay. All right. Now, let's really get down to the serious issues of Vice President Harris. Okay. Should the players get rice in Survivor 50? I think that the players will exist in the context of all in which they live and what came before them, right? Because they didn't just fall out of a coconut tree, right?

And so I think they should be under... There are coconuts that fell out of the coconut tree. Right, they will, there will be coconuts there, but they will not be the coconut that falls, right? They're better than that. And so when it comes to rice, I think that it is important that they unburden them from the rice because they should work hard to ensure that they, you know, win They, you know, win with the most difficult chances because that is what the people wanna see. They want to see people fight to the end. And with rice, it just gives them an advantage.

So I think unburdening from the rice is the right move. Okay, you wanna see a level of the playing field, no rice in season 50 of Survivor. That's right. Make them work for it. Make them work for it. Okay. No handouts of the rice. No hands out.

No, no, no, no handouts. Not in this administration. All right. All right. Vice President Harris, this is a very serious question. A lot of fans have not liked how they have instituted Final Four fire making after season 35 of Survivor. Should there be a Final Four fire making challenge in season 50? Well, I think that the Final Four fire-making challenge, right?

It gives the power back to the people. And when we really look at it, it is important for the people to have the power. Now, when I was a district attorney, right? Lawyer, prosecutor, I always said five words, Kamala Harris for the people. And so if you are Final Five and you feel like you're on the bottom, you have a chance to earn your way to the Final Four or, you know, to not just be voted out.

So I think it should stay. Respectfully, Vice President Harris, don't you feel though that to have the entire game be about voting people out on Survivor up to a certain point is a little bit not in the spirit of the game to then have a completely different rule when you get to the final four? I mean, here's the thing, right? If by that point you have not done the work necessary to secure a win based on the social acumen that you have bestowed for the rest of the game, then it doesn't really matter. So it's one vote and it gives power to the person who may need it. It's just like an advantage. It's just like any other part of the game that could shake things up. And you have to figure out the strategy necessary

of who's going to make fire and why. So it's not just about giving a person power, but who gets to decide and who gets to participate in that power. Okay. And the last question, do you think they should bring the live reunion show back to Los Angeles or keep it in Fiji? Now, I think it should be in Fiji. I'm just joking.

Oh, you got me. You get me on that one. No, I think the people want to see. You're from California. And I'm from Oakland, right? I'm from the Bay all day, let's be clear. But I think it's important for the people to see everyone, right?

Not just those who have made it past Merch, but those who have existed before. And to also give fans and those alike an opportunity to convene and watch it play out live and in color. So I think that that's what the people have spoken. And I believe that the people are right. It's a democracy.

And if that's what they vote for, that's what I believe is right. But you don't think that the fans should then say which survivor players look better on the islands, right? If, oh. If that's what the fans want, right? I say for 50. They should be able to. Let them have it, right? If that's what they want, just let them have it.

Okay, that's a. I respect the opinion. Yeah. I mean, look, here's the thing, right? We have so much more in common than what separates us, right? And so I think the thing that's separating us right now is that the fans want something and maybe the fans want something. And maybe the production wants something else. And if we could merge, pun intended, right, those two things together, we could be a better community, a coalition, right? And that's what we need to get through. Is there anything that should be on the ballot that we have not yet gotten to vote on? I think we should vote for whether or not, with advantages, right? That's what I'm excited for.

What stays, what goes, what will come back. I'm excited about that. That's what I think I want to see next. Okay. Vice President Harris, thank you so much for your time. Thank you so much. Okay. Freedia, Freedia, start the game. Now, Tevin, were those your positions or your positions may vary from that of Vice President Harris No, I think I think I think they might vary a little bit, but I pretty much agree with all of that

I definitely think that the reunion should also stupid. I think that the reunion the reunion should be Live I think that's reunion should be live. I think that's what the people have been asking for. And I think that that is excellent. I think- But you agree with Vice President Harris that the fans should be able to say who looked better on the island

versus how they look at the reunion show. Oh, no. Okay, that was her position. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no. She needs to, the common belief in democracy. She was a little out of pocket for that, right? Yeah. Yeah, but no, they don't need to bring that back

because I think that causes a lot of problems, a lot more problems than it's worth. Because you were at the one in Fiji. You went to the reunion show in Fiji. You didn't go to, and did you eat a lot of pizza during the Survivor 46 reunion show? Oh my god, I didn't eat a lot of it. I think I had either one or two slices, but I hate it. There's like a loose crumb from the pizza that like is right here on my cheek during

the entire filming of that reunion show. So when you watch it, you just see like a crumb. That's my humble trait. That crumb on my lip for that entire episode is my humble trait. You know, I was talking to a friend of mine about the different things that you could vote on. And I had said to this person that, you know, I would say that if I was going to try to make the case for Keep It In Fiji, I would say the one thing that you could say is at your reunion show, okay, after it got revealed that Maria didn't vote for Charlie, we got to see in real time, Charlie found out

that Maria didn't vote for him. And I said that that would, to me was the only reason I could think of to say, keep it in Fiji because had, had your season had a normal reunion that, okay, Charlie probably finds out somewhere along the way, Maria didn't vote for him. And Charlie gave a you know perfect answer there and but we would that it would have happened off screen and that's the one the one argument but my my friend said to me well yeah but Charlie probably in the ten months that happened between when

they film it and when it airs probably has like a pretty good zinger locked and ready to go in Los Angeles when it happens. And so I'd rather see that. I'd rather see, you know, what does Charlie come into the finale to, you know, to like to to say, because he knows what question Jeff's going to ask him. So I guess you don't get the authentic moment, but maybe you get better television eventually. Yeah, I mean, I can see that. I think it is interesting, but I see, you know, a lot of fans, I think they were like, they hate,

they didn't like that. They didn't always see. No, I don't like it either. I just was saying the one, the one moment that I could, one argument I could make. Yeah, I can see that. But yeah, I think live in Fiji is, I mean, live in LA. And also, I've been saying for a while, like, yeah, the people before Merge, like, we don't get to see them.

But I want to, like, I want to hear from Jalinsky. I want to hear what was Randen's thoughts when, you know, I want to hear everybody together, which I think is also therapeutic for the tribe, too. Like, it's therapeutic or the group, all 18 people together, just like, let's talk about it openly. Let's all get one story together and let's just talk about it in the public eye. So I hope that they do that.

We can't have the last ever Survivor live reunion show to be season 39. That can't be the answer to the trivia question. Oh my God. Is that the last? Oh my God. I was there. They didn't do all cause it was COVID for 40. COVID.

Wow. And we got, we really got robbed. You know, COVID took a lot of things from us, but the season 40 reunion show would have been amazing. Have you thought about doing merchandise that says get robbed? Get robbed? With a little ski mask. Yeah, so, yeah, so all right.

So I'm open to it. So it's like it's me in a mask and like, hey, like put it, stick them up. Get you get robbed. Not that you put put put the Rob as a podcast bail on it, but you and a ski mask and it just says get robbed You can the belt look I'm open to it. Yeah All right, let's see if we can make that work. All right Well Kevin, this was so fun to get to catch up with you on everything anything else that's on your mind

catch up with you on everything. Anything else that's on your mind? Where is my, I threw everything when I had to gather up, I had to gather up Miss Kamala. I don't even know where my, oh, it's right here. I wanna make sure I got all my notes done. But I think that we covered pretty much everything. I did wanna say, you know, I think they learned nothing from Hunter

when he was throwing the basketball basketballs underhand Mitch got it But I was like everybody's trying to shoot like LeBron James throw it on the hand You know cool You don't look cool. Just it'll look cool when you win the challenge That's it. That's it Marissa thing. Okay. I'm a guy to be sure to me. I'm just going through everything big threat free tribal Mitch Ava Yay, throw it on your hand. Yay, Cedric treated like a needle Treated like a needle. Oh, the, the, the pool cue, the thing. Yeah. I was like, you're a surgeon.

I need you. You need to be precise about this. I'm not, you not put me under and put me on no table when you can't even hold a buoy up. I don't know. Maybe they stop making surgeons get on the balance beam. I need to know your head is steady. I'm scared. I'm scared. Um, I said star and Camilla gave Liz and Mariah during one of those challenges we had when they were talking back and forth in the midst of, you know, people working, um, the dive, we didn't talk about Kevin's die. Yes. That is the funniest thing to ever exist on television. Yeah, I didn't know so many people were ready to critique all the dives.

Since when are we dive shaming? The world's taken a turn since January 20th. But Shaheen and David dive, beautiful dives. I mean, like mermaid. Shaheen is like on the dive team. It was amazing. Oh my God, just so good. But no, other than that, those were just a couple things

that I remember from the episode. But other than that. And actually, I talked to Kevin about this today and he was saying that part of the issue was, his shoulder affected how he was diving into the water because he said that when he was jumping in, you know, his shoulder, you know, affected like how he was diving into the water, cause he said that, you know, when he was jumping in, it was hurting the water, hurting him, so he had like a not so graceful dive.

I mean, even to open your eyes and salt water is nefarious. That is a wild thing to do. It burns so bad and they're like fully open. Like, I don't know how they do that. Yeah. Okay. But that's, those are my my thoughts you watching anything else good these days. I Am about to catch up on traders because I'm a little bit behind because I've been a little busy So I'm about to watch big finale tonight

Yes, yes, I'm really trying to catch up. I'm gonna be spoiled, but it's fine But it that this this season I'm just ready to lock in You would be great on the Traders, Tevin. I want to go. I think maybe last time we talked, I don't remember, but I was in a space where I was like, yeah, I don't know if I want to do other, you know, I'm kind of good with Survivor. Like, that's my dream. But like, I'm in a space now.

I'm like, yeah, I would go have the most fun doing traders. I would have a lot. In the meantime, would you play RHAP Traders if we did it again? Yes. Sam, lock him out. I was real busy this time. Yes, okay. I was real busy this time.

But yeah, so I'm watching a little reality TV. I'm taking a bit of a reality TV pause because I've been in the cycle for like a year and some change really with me playing and then flying all around. So I'm taking a bit of a rest from it, but I'm getting back into it now. Other than that, I'm just watching regular old stuff on Netflix, Hulu, stuff like that. And I'm spending a lot of time getting my Kamala Harris stuff together. If y'all ain't seen my raps, my new Kamala Harris raps, You should go watch them. They will be on Spotify, Apple Music, all that stuff.

Wow, you're dropping a Kamala album? I am. So these, when Kamala lost, a lot of people thought that I was going to fall off, but people needed me and I was like, I'm gonna keep going. And now I started taking raps and then remixing them and making them my own. But Tevin, can I give you a suggestion?

Yes. I think you need to do a Trump impression too. I think you need to do, and then you can do- Quite frankly. Yeah, I think you could do it. I think you could do it. Imagine the collaborations you could be making. You could heal the nation, Tevin.

I don't think existing as the... Tevin, don't. I wish him well on his journey. You have to do it now. I'm saying that this is a great idea. Kamala! He's so interesting. You know, Rob, I will think about that very deeply while I sleep. When I don't- Do you think your fans would feel betrayed if then you did a Trump impersonation also and did cameos? I think I would be betrayed to exist as such a flippant, floppy, frowsy, foot dragon, scallywag, old, I say I don't wanna do this on your show.

I'm trying to be good. A combo is doing good. The raps are doing really good. Sizzler, seen it, shared it. Lin-Manuel Miranda saw my one. I did a Hamilton recently, you should go watch it. I got the stamp of approval from Lin-Manuel, Jasmine Crockett, so it's doing good.

Don't let me be a fly in the ointment. Okay. You have good ideas. But who knows? Quite frankly, we'll see what happens. I might, I might just start doing it. I gotta get a blonde wig. Yeah. Okay. All right. Just throwing it out there. All right, Tevin, let me tell everybody else what's coming up here on R-H-A-P. We've got, uh, hold on, wrong thing. I hit the wrong thing. Oh no, it's having small. Okay. This is the, this is the one I want. This is what I want. There you go. There you go. All right. We know survivor. Of course, uh, you can check out everything else we have going on. The exit interview,

the know it alls, my interview with Sophie club condo. You'll hear it all. We know Survivor or just go to getrhap.com. Tomorrow, Owen Knight is gonna be stepping in for me on the Q and A. Every week we let the patrons ask me questions about Survivor. I'm gonna be headed to South by Southwest this weekend. And so Owen is gonna be jumping in for me. He'll be live at 3 p.m. Eastern.

Good week to ask Owen your strategy questions about Survivor 48. Patrons, you'll get the link on Thursday night. That's at robbinswebsite.com slash patron. Then of course we've got a, Tevin, come join the group chat over on chatBCC. Not what they used to make Shrek 5, okay? Go to robbinswebsite.com slash VIP chat to join for free

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of our coverage. I believe we'll be live at 11 o'clock Eastern. Put the coffee on tonight, Kevin, because it's going to be a late night for your boy talking about the big trader season three finale. Let me take it off the screen. So Kevin doesn't even see who's left as we get to the finals of the Traders. All right, Tevin. Great job by you. I love always getting to talk with you. I think you have such great insight into everything and you always are so interesting

and so talented to talk to. So it's a treat for me, Tevin. Thank you, Rob. It's a treat to be here. I really appreciate it. Every time you reach out, I'm like, yes, of course, Rob. Anything. So I appreciate it. Okay. All right. Thank you all so much. We a treat to be here. I really appreciate it. Every time you reach out, I'm like, yes, of course, Rob, anything. So I appreciate it. Okay. All right. Thank you all so much. We love to read what you have to say in the comments. Just, you know, keep it cute, everybody. All right. So

Keep it cute or keep it mute. That's great. That should be the merch. Yeah. I'm on it. Write it down. Write it down. Write it down. Right. All right. Thank you so much, everybody. Take care of a good one. Bye. Bye.