RHAP: We Know Survivor - The Social Game Ep 2 w/ Dee Valladares: Keep the Lights On, Rob

Episode Date: January 22, 2025

Michele and Kellie discuss the controversial results of The Challenge 40 finale and Kellie’s recent Disney trip with her Survivor 45 crew. Then, Michele and Kellie are joined by Survivor 45 winner, Dee Valladares. They discuss winners guilt, farting in front of your significant other, being a woman in reality TV, and more. They test their communication in a Password-style competition and put a spin on the classic party game… showmance, alliance, blindside.

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to speak to an advisor free of charge. BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with We are back. Episode two of the social podcast. That's not even our name, Michelle. Oh, the social game podcast. Okay, let me start over. Or we could keep it. Okay. We are back. Episode two of the social game podcast. I am so glad that Rob was able to listen to our first episode and he did not fire us. We're still employed. This week, Michelle had some good karma because we're still here.

I did finally get some good karma. We went Instagram official today. We did. So, you know, we are. Should we cheers? We we should, I think, to our Instagram official. We are Instagram official. The social game podcast is live. Well, yeah.

Adjacent, live adjacent. It's almost live. Mm hmm. Am I already triggering you by talking about karma? So as of right now, the wound is fresh. I just watched myself come in third place after busting my ass off. I shed a tear watching it with you. I know. Honestly, it was devastating. I feel like I had such a crazy season.

I went into so many eliminations. I was busting my ass and I just like, I felt like I deserved it. And then it got ripped out from under me. And also, like, as somebody who prides myself on my social game to have the social aspect be the thing that knocked me down from second place to third place was truly devastating. But that's not something that you could account for because you didn't know this was coming. I couldn't have accounted for it. And you know, I think that there is. And this is like,

correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not a challenge super fan But this is a all areas of the challenge. So there are Friendships and loyalties that way predate you. Yes. I don't know. Is that a factor? Listen, that's definitely a factor and I know that I me and Jenny we're gonna be at a disadvantage We showed up our both of our place in our places in the game got kind of bumped down By karma and and I recognize that I don't have the best reputation in general on the challenge with people. So that is something that I'm also battling and I understand that. But, you know, it's definitely been interesting seeing the response to it.

I've seen a lot of Michelle was robbed. I have heard that before. I feel like I am on Winners at War all over again. You're a robbed queen, though. You know, it's crazy. When I won first, people thought I should come second on Survivor. When I came in third on Survivor, people thought I should come second. And now I'm back in it.

You're damned if you do, damned if you don't. It's listen, I am an eternal. That's the experience of being a woman on reality TV, honestly. I evade silver at all costs, but everybody believes I am a silver medalist. It's a wild circumstance that I'm in. But you know what?

That hurt me. I know. Making me sad. You know, at the end of the day, it all balances out. So I feel. Well, I'm so proud of you, and I know the internet is proud of you. Thank you. Most of the internet. I survived.

It's been interesting. I think Karma is, Karma is a bitch. And I will say I got it this season. Karma is your boyfriend. I have a plan to make sure that Karma gets everybody back. There's the line in the songs like Karma is the guy on the screen coming straight home to me.

Is that, is that help? I was- The guy on the screen coming straight home to me. Is that help? The guy on the screen, Devin. Right? Okay, that's cute. I didn't know that that was the lyrics. I was just like, I thought you were a big Taylor Swift fan. I didn't keep my side of the street clean. That's how I felt, you know?

My side of the street is dirty and messy and that's just a fact. But like, I feel like everyone's side of the street on the challenge is a little messy, right? I mean, you have to be a little messy or you don't get cast back. People take take notes if you want to get on the challenge. Yeah, free casting advice. I'm looking directly at our guests because I think she'd be a great candidate for the challenge.

Who? It's a teaser. We have a lot in common. A lot in common. It's OK. You know, you listen to the last episode, everybody, so we have a lot in common. You got your theories or actual direct confirmation of who it's going to be. And the reason that you are so raspy is because of our guest. What have you been doing this week?

Yeah, I'm actually going to fully blame. Now, I know I already have a really raspy voice, but I'm now rocking full lost voice. Thank God for these ASMR mics. I just spent the weekend with a few of my cast mates and one very notable guest in Miami and then we went to Orlando to Epcot cuz you know Obviously the theme of this podcast is it's not alcohol, but it's alcohol adjacent Yeah, and have you ever heard of the drink around the world Michelle?

Have you partaken in it yet? Bitch, I'm the one who created it. Oh really? I was just drinking around the world and they were like, listen, if Michelle does it. You were just drinking around the actual world. I drank around the world and they were like, well, let's just like create a whole concept around Michelle's lifestyle.

And then they created Epcot. You are to credit for Epcot. I am to credit for Epcot. Trademarked, Michelle. Have you actually done it though? I actually have done it. How did that go? Did you drink in every, cause listen,

you know some of us aren't, I can't handle 11 drinks. Can you? No, no, no. So that's 11 countries. Well I don't remember Canada, but does that, does Canada even count? Who cares about Canada? Canada's where everybody, you started in Mexico, you ended about Canada? Canada is where everybody you started in Mexico.

Yeah, we all petered out. By the time you get to Canada, doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. We were ready to go. Yeah, we don't need an Ottawa. No, no, no. I love drinking around the world. Actually, literally. And so do you like so I went it was like me, D Caleb. You don't know any of these people except for maybe one,

me, Dee, Caleb, Brandon, Donlin, who's sitting across from me right now as well, Julie, Allie, Mama J and Emily Flippen, who we kind of turned it into her bachelorette party. She didn't want it to be, but we bought her embarrassing Mickey Mouse ears. We wore them all day. And we're like a group of people that if you look at us,

it's a little Confusing if you don't have the context it's like why are these six people hanging out? We show our IDs they're all from different states in Canada. And so waiters will be like Canadian There's a Canadian should I just shit on Canada? You know what Caleb could use a few notches down. So that's absolutely fine The only one who actually drank in Canada out of his patriotism. That's adorable. Yeah, adorable, something like that.

But we will be all out and a waiter will be like, how the hell do you know each other? Like, what is the vibe of this group? And do you tell them? Because when people ask me things like that, I'm like, maybe you know from me from high school, are you in the travel industry? We get some business groups here. We get like groups and they were like,

one waiter was pretty like he had a pretty good eye. He was like, you guys are too like weirdly close to be business partners. But then it's like, why is there like Julie is like a little older than us. It's like, why is she is like mom and her a little older than us. It's like, why is she? It's like, mom and her degenerate children. Like, the vibe was off. I think Emily actually was just like, we were on a TV show and we like to like just torture the waiter or anybody and be like, well, what do you think we did?

So we made him guess what show we were on. Oh wow, that is cruel. And then we always make them guess who won. We're like, the winner is sitting here. Who do you think won? And this round, the waiter said that I looked like a boss bitch and gave me. They probably knew you went to Yale. I am going to no more Yale jokes. Did you preface it with that? You know what?

Was I wearing the Yale shirt that day? I literally did wear a Yale shirt. I know. And he sent me the photo. And let me tell you, if he saw you, it's because you wore the Yale shirt. Let's be honest. Let's be honest. No, but do you do you like you do hang out with like anyone? Like, have you had this experience to you? You're like, with a group. I hang out with I hang out with a lot of reality TV people.

I think in general, I have been on, I'm on seven shows at this point. I really have dipped my toes. Oh, humble brag. I mean, just brag. Seven shows? That's not humble. No, I'm bragging. That's a brag, actually.

But I have dipped my toes into a lot of reality TV waters. And I feel I've met a lot of people. And usually there's a New York adjacent, there's always something going on. So I've met a lot of reality TV people. So yes, it comes up, but I do try to sort of like avoid it at all costs. And it annoys my sister to no end.

She's like, they're like, you look familiar, are you? And they're guessing and I'm not giving them. Do you give them like a fake story ever? No, I don't give them anything. Maybe we should come up with an alias. And my sister's like, this is awkward, you're beating around the bush, she was on reality TV, it's enough. That's what, yeah, when an alias. And my sister's like, this is awkward. You're beating around the bush. She was on reality TV.

It's enough. That's what, yeah, when I'm with my girlfriend, she's like, if she noticed people, she'd be like, yes, it's Survivor. So I don't have to say it, because that's really uncomfortable. It is uncomfortable. Not that I mean I appreciate it, but you know.

I love hanging out with other people who have been through the experience together. I think it's fun. I think that's why also, I want this podcast to be like fun hanging out having guests because really all the podcasts are about strategy. Oh my god, break this down. I'm like, I am surely not my game moves. That is like, that is the worst part. And when you meet other people, like you realize that very quickly. You know what I mean? Like

when you meet other people in the community, it's like there's the edit, there's whatever. And then you meet people and you're like, oh, like this is actually who I gel with. I think this is so interesting, like for me, because I've had like Dee and Emily and other people, or some of my like best friends for my season, and they did not work with me. In fact, they screwed me over.

And so my family or like other people will be like, wait, Emily's coming to your wedding. Like, are you sure? And they don't really understand. And I think my cast has a bit of a reputation for being kumbaya, besties, blah, blah, blah. Listen, I'll just say we all respect each other. I don't know if we're all best friends, but we all can be in a room together and have a good time. And it really helped me post game to find some of these friendships that weren't

people who my game was like so intertwined with. Cause there is like emotions and like intensity that comes if you've played the game together or whatever. And so I have friends like D and like Emily who kind of, they were in the same space as me. They went through the same experience, but kind of in a parallel and So when I talk to them, it's like they can give me like Knowledgeable, but still unbiased advice. You know what I'm saying? I think that the further

That I get away from Survivor, I mean my first season not to date myself, but it was ten years ago survivor. I mean my first season not to date myself but it was 10 years ago so like I think my cast I know I know my cast was close and had division shut the absolute fuck up okay. She's two years I think three years older than me. You know what I am more seasoned okay bitch. No one is arguing. And all of these wrinkles, I have a wrinkle for each season. You have not a wrinkle on you. Well, it's called Botox. But anyways, I will say that I think that Kumbaya does come from that first experience.

Like you- That makes sense. It's your first time ever going through it and time sort of sweeps everybody up at some point and some people from your season go on and do other shows and then they have that experience with their next cast and life come life kind of comes in right now you're doing all the events you're part of it or in the community but the more time and space you have from it the more life other life things take the forefront and and it kind of takes a backseat it's fun for it to be the part of your life that is I feel you'll find like who sticks

Right like who you who are you like calling when something goes down that's not related to survivor And that's and it's not part of it It is fun to be in it and you're never gonna meet people like the reality to be people and we're gonna so interesting Showcase of that on this podcast, but you're never going to like, it does feel like everything's so intense. The adrenaline's up. You're having this wild like experience. That's just like, what the fuck is bizarre and also like an unrelatable in many ways. So if you find that other person, you need that. I personally like, I needed,

but soon you will realize that it is not all Kumbaya. The more shows that you do, and this is for people who might be coming on the podcast, don't trust everybody and think it's gonna be Kumbaya. Don't trust. I know, we're like the highest. And every show is different. Like Survivor, people are forgiving,

and other shows, people are not. Like every show has its own vibe. I think Survivor is like meant to be cut through. So you go in with that expectation. Like yeah, of course I'm sad that you know, somebody blindsided me and I wasn't expecting it but it was like, okay, game respect game. There was a reason for it and I'd rather be respected and blindsided than just like, But on the challenge that is so disrespectful.

Like if you blindside somebody, you are not real. You're fake, you're phony, you're. That's a crazy thing to navigate that change. Well, I did not know that. I've never seen the challenge before going on it. And then I'm on and I'm like, well, I'm just gonna kind of snake my way through. I'm gonna like kind of get as many alliances

as like I possibly can, make as many friends as I can. And then like when I do it, they'll understand it's game and people are not like that there. They're like, we're gonna run this. If you are a mainstay, you go back every season and your mistakes will always be hung over your head. And truly the best way to play the challenge is like being as upfront as possible

and fall on the sword if you have to fall on the sword. And the challenge, survivors like never fall on the sword. Push anybody else on this. Push everybody onto the sword before you and then apologize later. It's like totally different games. I think we're watching, I'm watching Traders right now. That's a totally different.

So you kind of always have to pivot. I'm interested. I think we're going to have some Traders on later in the season. We have survivors on, we have challengers on. So I think everyone's a little bit different, but survivor does tend to be the most forgiving, I feel. That's interesting.

I think. That makes sense. But I think it's like what you said, you were going with the expectation of cutthroatness, right? So it's like, all right. Yeah. That's why when I was so upset when I left and I was like the first one to be like really sad. It was like, I thought it was going to be controversial,

but it ended up being like, I immediately was like, okay, I was sad for a bit. My jury appearances were a little controversial as well because I was sad in the next jury thing. If you take the money out of my hand, I'm gonna be dead. They like whipped last year. You know what I mean? Like I got voted out less than 24 hours later. I'm gonna be there. They let whip blasts shoot, you know what I mean? Like I got voted out. Less than 24 hours later, I'm back at tribal council and they're like, oh wow, what a devastating blindside for Kelly. I'm just sitting there like, yep. That happened. We love it when people are blindsided by karma. Listen, it's just-

We're both blindside victims. This is what it is. Different, you know, one's almost winning. Not quite. All right, but listen, enough of us. We planned on having this podcast about three hours earlier. We're gonna be there. We're gonna be there. We're gonna be there. We're gonna be there. We're gonna be there. Inside victims, different, you know, one's, you know, almost winning, not quite. All right. But listen, enough of us.

We planned on having this podcast about three hours earlier, but I do love you. And we got to girl chatting our guests. A lot of girl chat. We were girl chatting with. I'm learning so much. I am so honored to have this person in my home. I find her to be amazing, so fun. I love a young, fun, independent, strong woman. I feel like I have seen a lot of myself in her. Really? And I aspire to be like her. And I could not be more grateful to have this

person on as our first guest on the social game podcast Thank you Kelly for having a connection with this person So I can be in the same room and take up my time and drink wine with her. So Diva Yadair is here We have our wine hey, you gotta get your headphones. Oh yeah. We have our wine, we're wearing our sweats. This is girl chats. This is like our fifth glass of wine. Yeah.

Fourth? It's a few. We don't count, because if you never let the glass. You know you never let the glass. Michelle just keeps filling it up. If the glass never gets empty, then that, it doesn't count, is how I feel. Oh my God.

All right, I can hear you guys. Look at how cute this trio is. This is the best. This is what I like to be sandwiched between two Survivor winners, and that's the only thing they have in common. I knew they would get along. I feel like we were just talking about

our reality TV friendship experience. Like I think you will have an interesting perspective on this. I feel like any winner might have an interesting perspective on this because it's like for me, when we got closer after the game, which it was so it was like healing for me to have another woman who I respected sort of like. And we had these parallel experiences where we weren't working together, but we were in the same space.

And for you to be able to sort of give me that slightly zoomed out, but still clued in advice and like, and just like support, you know what I mean? But it's like weird coming from the winner a bit. I don't know, I would think a little bit. It's a little challenging because coming from winning a show where everyone wants to win, it comes with a lot of like guilt too, and I'm sure you've felt that Michelle.

So I think when it comes to like giving advice and stuff, it's tough because you kind of have to like step back and put your feelings aside, right? And then- Here's how I feel about it. I understand the guilt thing, I really do. I came on my season, it was the most controversial win of all time.

And so in that, I felt guilt that I stripped somebody who everybody thought was the person who was supposed to win of that title. And I felt like I had to defend myself. I felt like anybody who voted for me, like I was like, oh my God, I need to like, make them feel like now they watch the season, they're gonna regret that.

And there's all these like layers of, you took the game out of somebody, like you took the win out of somebody else's hands and are they proud of me? Did I do it the way that they want? There's so much going on there. And so, listen, all I have to say is like, I would say don't feel guilt.

I think everybody has done, it's not at the hands of you. Everybody plays a game to win. And we voted for you. I know. Yeah, and you should be. And we're all so proud of who we voted for. And like that made my experience so much better. If I couldn't win, I'm glad it was somebody

who I not only just respected love but also was like a badass woman that was like she can't be me I would want to be. And that should be your takeaway. That should be your takeaway. That is something that I talked with the psychologist a lot but then I was like all right it's okay for me to feel these feelings and at the same time like know my role when someone asks me for advice, like you for example, because it comes with a lot of like what ifs, I should have done this, I should have done that, and then it's like, fuck, like I didn't feel that, so I'm coming from a place of privilege,

so I wanna make sure that I give advice, but stepping out, right? So. I think you've always been great at that, and it was like we didn't leave the game being like, we're gonna be best friends forever, we only like hung out for a few days. But then we took this like big cast trip

to my family's house in Cape Cod. So that was where we kind of like, there was one that we were like talking, and we were like all in like the girls room sleeping together. And we were like, we're just gonna talk for a little bit. And then we kept talking so long, Emily was like, can you guys shut up?

Yeah, she was like, please stop. But it was like, we're in the middle of a therapy session, Emily, I'm gonna need you to put your little earplugs in. There was a lot of laughter, a lot of cries for all of us. I think that truly, I try to take it away, and I don't need to be everybody's savior. This is not my burden. I played the game as well as I could.

I was so lucky that I got rewarded with the win, but I don't have to. And I took a like pivoting to the challenge when I was on the challenge. Season 39 was tough because I was in so many alliances. I had so many friends and I felt really like responsible for each of their journeys and like how, how I played and how that affected them. And I was like, I am taking on too much.

Like it is not my responsibility. You too. It is not my responsibility to guide you through this process. I'm also trying to figure it out myself. And so creating boundaries and being like, I love you. And I love that we have this bond in this relationship, but I also don't know. And I only have a bandwidth of this much to give out because I also am only capable of this much. So like, you'll learn.

It speaks to both of you guys though. Yeah. And it's 18 new friends, it's like, all right, I gotta pick and choose. Like, you know what, I gotta get you. I wanna know who you can teach, who's getting left on the side of the road. My wedding invite list. Yeah, oh, I want to see who you picked to your cheese. Who's getting left on the side of the road? My wedding invite list.

Yeah. Oh, I want to see the coming up. Twenty twenty five. I am going to be posting her wedding invite list and anybody who's not. No, I'm just kidding. Oh, my God. Well, there will be pictures. There will. Well, it's still TVB on if I'm invited. It's so tough because our cast is very close.

And I I've always felt like these reality TV friendships, but especially like on your actual season, it's like you have this immediacy of intimacy that is like so bizarre. Like the only thing I can ever compare it to is like when I worked during COVID as a nurse, like the people who I was with there, like even if they might not have been the person

I would have chose to be friends with, it's like we went through something so unique, bizarre, and whatever. No one is ever gonna get this. And you've already seen each other at our very worst in many cases, both on Survivor and this situation I'm talking about. And so it's like, even if I haven't really talked

to some of the people who are my cast in a long time, it's like they've seen me cry, they've seen me uncomfortable in many situations, so it's very difficult for me to like you know understand where it's going to move from here. I'm doing my best. Like we've actually, you might not like me saying this, but we've like been to the point we've heard each other farting. On the way here. Yeah, on the way to the podcast. Yeah, that's true friendship guys. You know like you make it to a level where we've already lived with each other,

we're stinky. And it's like we've only, I've only known you for like a little over a year, but I feel like I've known you for, I would not do that with many of my friend's houses either. People wouldn't even do that with their significant other. I mean I wouldn't do that. The challenge? If you do it. I fart in front of my friend's homes either. People wouldn't even do that with their significant other. I mean, I wouldn't do that. The challenge?

If you do it. I fart in front of my significant other? No, I could never. Oh my God, you girls are prisoners. No, it's out. You girls are prisoners to homosexuality. I'm absolutely not. That's so embarrassing.

Like I could never. Guys, are you serious? No. 100% I can never. I'm just gonna say that the guys farts would definitely smell worse, so like okay, of course about that Well, you know what my mission on this podcast is to improve Here's something I'll do it in front of my friends

And I'll beat my friends like I am the most vulgar disgusting version of myself in front of my friends But when it comes to my boyfriend, he's on a need-to-know basis in front of my friends, but when it comes to my boyfriend, he's on a need to know basis. He doesn't need to know. We'll get Devin's opinion on this next week. Devin is here. Devin is here. He's an angel, but yeah.

No, I'm glad that you agree. And you know what? Maybe the lesbian dynamic is different. I agree. Maybe it's more like free. Well, listen, imagine girl talk fun time, but also you want to I like I love that I love you pretty much to do that and not only directly after fart, but like, you know Not when the fart is still lingering

Like the candle. Why do we have so many candles in my house, T? I'm just like, this is okay. Okay. Sorry, Gabby. Let's head back. Sorry, Gabs. Head back.

Where are we? There's no map. My bad. Just like jump off the boat and we're paddling in circles. Sick of dreaming smaller? Sick of investing but not seeing your money grow? Sick of feeling like you're leaving money on the table, paying high fees, and not knowing if you're even making the right investments?

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So this is a heads up game. It's essentially a mix of charades and we're gonna use vocal cues. So basically you're gonna read the slip and then you're gonna try to describe it. So Kelly's gonna describe it to you, you're gonna describe it to Kelly without saying who or what it is. So this is all reality TV. Words or people and their place in this summit beanie. You're gonna pick it out and then you're gonna describe it. I feel like you should start

because if she doesn't know the rules, you describe it to us. I get it, but you can start though. Okay. And if you don't know, just toss it to the side. We need to like, we need to like lock in here, okay? So look at me. Lock in, look at each other, don't be nervous.

Literally, this, we have like one person. You have one more high stakes thing. There's like one person listening to this podcast. I don't think you have anything to be nervous about, sweetie. It is how many? I'm going to pick one of these. How many I can get in 60 seconds. And I'm gonna describe it to you without saying

what or who it is. Okay, now I'm gonna be over here drinking. I'm kinda nervous. Don't be nervous. You're not more nervous than me. Oh, that's true. Okay, I'll be drinking. Ready, set, go.

Okay, it's a type, it's a Pilates studio that Michelle just told us she wanted to go to. On the court? Yes. Where did we compete in Survivor? What country? Fiji, yeah. Fuck yeah.

Who is the hottest man on the challenge? Just kidding. Michelle, this is who Michelle is currently dating. Devin. Yes. Okay, these are not that bad. You did great, that was great. Okay, this guy is on the Traders and he was really sweaty. Tom. All right. These are not that bad. You did great. That was great. Okay. This guy is on the traders and he was really sweaty. Tom Sandelvall.

What network is the challenge on MTV? Yep. Um, the best season of Survivor. Parvati lost. Sandra won. Fuck. Oh my God. I knew. Give more context, break it down. I know, it's like blank versus blank. They brought back people, there's a red tribe and a blue tribe. That's right, that's right. That's it, time? Time, time, time.

We didn't really push it? I thought you crushed that. Oh, that wasn't that hard. All right, my turn, right? I thought you crushed that. Oh, I'm nervous. If I do worse. Are you playing the next game?

Do you want to play me? I'll play one, I'll play one with you. I'll play one with you. I'll play one with you playing the next game? Not with me. I'll play one. I'll play one with you. I'll play one with you. Let's see. Right now? No, you go with her. OK, OK, the next. This is a friendship one. Then me and you will go.

OK, OK. All right. Are you ready? We're building this. We're building the bike while we're riding it. We're like, are we going to do it? Yeah, let's fucking do it. By the way, we just met. Yeah, I know. This is literally the first. They have literally just met here.

I feel like I've known you for a long time. We are pretty close. We are really close. In one way or another. We're sisters. We're sisters in some ways. I love it. So we're sisters.

Are you ready? Okay, anyway. You got your headphones in? All right. Oh my God. She won second place winners at war. Natalie Anderson? Good job.

You got blank on Survivor. I got blindsided. Yes. Thanks. Thanks. The show where everyone goes on and you're moving your body. What?

With like- The challenge? Celebrities. Moving your body. What? With like the challenge celebrities. You're moving your. Oh, I just can't say the word. Your body. Oh, come on. My favorite artist, Puerto Rico. Let's freaking go. You don't need to tell me Puerto Rico.

All right. OK, let's go. Um, oh, a challenge. He's like a multiple time champ. He has beef with like a lot of people. Johnny Banas. Yeah, I love it. I couldn't say bananas.

All right, all right, all right. Okay, how much money did I win? A million dollars. Okay. All right, these are, okay, okay. That's pretty good. I thought they were gonna be harder. Okay, thank you.

We did well, let's go. If only we teamed up. You and Tess made a friendship. Okay, let's do this. All right, so it's me and me. So you two now, this is great. Now you, oh, us up. Okay, let's do this. So you two now, this is great. Now you, oh us two. Oh, I was gonna grab my wine.

Okay, now I get what you were saying when you said you were nervous. I suddenly feel nervous. I'm never nervous. I think I'm loosening up now, but I was a little bit nervous at first. If you have to, you know, drink a few glasses of wine, win a game, here we go. I kinda win a game. Okay, ready? Set, go. What? Drink the wine. I kinda win a game. Okay. Alright, ready? Ready? Set, go.

Okay. Uh, okay. This is a show where people go into pods and then they date people. Uh, Love is Blind. Yes. My hands are shaking. Like, legitimately, it's hard to talk.

Okay, this is like the villain of all villains on Survivor. He lost to Natalie. Russell Hands? Yes. He like randomly called me the other day, which, that's a whole other story. We have 60 Natalie. Yes. He like randomly called me the other day, which that's a whole other story. We have 60 seconds. Okay.

It's an animal, but it's also a game show. It came out around the same time as Survivor. It's like the animal like digs in the ground. It's like if there's a spy, I think involved. I don't know a lot of reality TV, not gonna lie. It's on Netflix. Next, next, next. It was the Mole, it was the Mole.

Oh, the Mole, okay. Did you know that one? I did, I watched watched the first season but I wasn't gonna go. Okay. Do you watch traders? Yes, this person's on traders. It's a brother of somebody famous something Dylan. Yes. Yes. Yes Fuck what's Zac Efron and Dylan? Yes They have the same last name, okay There's one in Salt Lake City. There's one in New York, it's on Bravo, it's a bunch of people, women who like stay at home, friends, wives, something like that. Yes, yes.

That's good, that's good. It's cool. Done? Okay. We are some connoisseurs over here. You did so good. I feel like you were probably the best describer. Her?

Yeah. I also got more time. Damn, what that face? You think I didn't do well? Describing you. I don't know. Oh, I forgot you played. I never would have. She Damn, what that face? You think I didn't do well? Describe it. I don't know. I forgot you played. I never played.

It was just you. She goes, I forgot you played. Two back to back. This is me. OK. All right. I will leave the podcast. And so now, I just want you to know.

I'm losing both of my good friends. I want you to know that Kelly's actually been voted off of the Social Game podcast. Me and here now, the co-host. God, I can never. I can never, always blindsided. Never the blindsided. Just kidding. What the hell guys?

Okay, well who knows who won? We weren't taking count. I know that there should probably be like a ticker somewhere and we should probably know who won that, but we were just flinging the pieces together. You know what? We'll let our listeners count for us. Yeah.

We'll hear it in the coming days. Can you all pretend that you just do a reaction shot solo that you were? But OK, it's like teams. And we like, I don't think I need to do a reaction shot because I know I didn't win. So I think you guys do your reaction shot. Oh, like together. Also, you won and I won. Did we win together or lose together?

We went together. I literally am Tom Sons of all right now. I'm like, I'm Tom Sott right now. Are you kidding me? I'm wearing my pink panther sweat suit for you guys. It's trapping all of the sweat in here. I don't see anything. Yeah. Well, I know this is called this is the light and airy. Yeah, it's light. So it stands aside. We are moving on. You wanna do it? Okay, I wanted to, listen, I did not win Survivor, okay? But I feel very passionately about women who win Survivor, and I'm very proud of both of you, okay? And I don't know if this is too much,

a few glasses of wine in, but I wanted something that, I'm gonna turn it a little serious, is that okay? Mm-hmm, it's okay. Okay, I, when I, even before I went to much something that I'm gonna turn it a little serious. Is that okay? Mm-hmm. It's okay. Okay, I When I even before I went to play I got advice from somebody Parvati who is like if you go very far and you do well and you're a woman It can be very difficult and it's better to like kind of like die a martyr in terms of postgame navigation than win in that way because like women have a very difficult time.

You kind of like being respected for everything that they do when they win Survivor. And I do find the two of you very interesting in terms of, you know, Michelle, I feel like you can correct me if I'm wrong. People will say you played the super social game and everyone liked you, blah, blah, blah, but maybe you weren't the most strategic person at the end of that season. And then for you, you're like this super cutthroat, ruthless player who maybe didn't do enough of like,

pandering that some people expect from women, right? And so, when I think about it, I'm like, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't, if you win, survivor're Dan if you do Dan if you don't if you win Survivor. Because if you kind of like balance each other out, like if you guys did the thing that you didn't do and the thing that you didn't do, you guys both did it, I think people would still complain. I'm just curious what you guys think about like what that,

you know what I mean, this is a heavier topic, but it's just like- That's a great observation. I mean, yes, for me going in, I also was on a season that was called Beauty Brain Brawn and thrust on a beauty season. It's like I already am being perceived. First off, I'm 24 years old. I'm on a beauty tribe.

Nobody has any. I'm I'm a bartender. Like nobody has any respect for like my presence. I'm on with people from that are professional athletes and people who have created names for themselves. People who were, who went to whatever, you know what I mean? Like these people are the best of the best in their fields.

And then there's little old me. I always felt a sense of imposter syndrome in general being on the show. At the time, now we see a shift, I think, because of you and because of, we've seen a influx of women, young women winners, but at the time that I had come in, like I, me and Sophie were the only young female winners.

Like there was, breaking that barrier was extremely difficult. We saw a huge trend in men. Yeah, like the whole thirties is all men. Exactly. Besides you. Exactly. We actually is that literal?

That's literal. I don't know exactly the stats, but I will say that for- Oh, Sarah. Yeah, Sarah was season 30, whatever. But I think that I felt this really like I'm not going to win. That's not what I'm here for. I'm here to have fun and experience the show. And as the show progressed, I was just like, oh, well, you know, maybe I can.

And I wanted to I wanted to squeeze everything out of the experience that I possibly could. I wanted to I was fascinated by people. So like what people consider a social game, truly was me just like living in the moment, loving the experience and like wanting to get everything out of it before somebody eventually voted me on.

I do think people have like, the people have said like, survivor editors, it's still difficult when you're on an island for 26, 39 days, how do you edit a good social game? Right, cause it takes, it's like every interaction and you're on an island for 26, 39 days, how do you edit a good social game, right? Cause it takes, it's like every interaction and every authentic moment is what leads to the relationships being meaningful.

And you know, it's a 60 to 90 minute show, like how could you ever possibly show all of that? Which you know is- It wasn't my plan. I wasn't going in being like, oh, I'm gonna play like the social game. And I wasn't trying to make big strategic moves either. I was just like, I am just gonna be me.

And I also didn't do any prep for it. Like I wasn't watching the seasons. I really was just like, I'm just gonna go in, be me, and hope that that gets me the win. Like that was it. I was as simple as you could cut it. And I, you know, when I won, I was like, oh my God, I did this amazing thing.

And then nobody thought it was amazing. And I think that even me now, I'm like, oh, I would change a few things if I could. Well, everyone has their points. You should be very proud. Yep, absolutely. And I am. I just think that when you go in

and you are a young woman who doesn't even know herself enough, really. I didn't even know who I was, but I was bringing to the table. I was like, fuck, I stumbled on this show. I can't believe they accepted me. I didn't even think I deserved to be there, let alone win. So I think that like, like people like you are changing the narrative of like, okay, we can be young

and you can be hot as fuck, look at you and go go on and like you can also play a great fucking game. And I think that that is changing the mindset of like what women are bringing to the table on Survivor. Cause if for so long it's like, we don't even have a shot, we're just here for like. Yeah, I find it really interesting where you're coming from because I feel like I had a different experience. Granted, I did go in two years older than you were when you first went on. But I feel like you

mentioned that you had a lot of like imposter syndrome and I had like the complete opposite experience. I didn't feel imposter syndrome. I felt like I owned that. Right. And I think like historically women are just viewed to like follow not lead. Right. So whenever a woman's like has authority, has independence, it's like we're challenging the stigma of, you know, the gender roles. So I think it's like hugely up to us to go in and be like unapologetically ourselves and be like, no, like this is who I am. Whatever way I did it, I did it. And that's me. And I think that kind of paves the way for future winners and in and out of the game of Survivor.

It could be even in the real world to kind of like make a name for themselves. Right. But that's interesting. Too different. I think that reminds me, too, of what you're saying. Just like we were talking about this the other day a little where like Parvati's first when she first won, she had like such a difficult time. But now I didn't join Survivor, I didn't watch until much later.

And by the time I was watching, the internet loved Parvati. Everyone's so impressed with her. But when it was happening, and when I've had that conversation with her in the past, that was not the lived experience in that moment. And so there is that time passing, society growing aspect. Ten years is a long time. It is a long time. And you don't think about it that moment, right? And so there is that like time passing, society growing aspect.

Ten years is a long time. It is a long time. And you don't think about it that way, but like it was. The perception, especially being bookmarked by people like, you know, Tony or Mike Holloway had won right before me and like, you know, the people that were around, like I had seen as winners at that time, it's like you don't have somebody who's like you.

Like I don't have a, even Sophie, who's like the other only other like young female winner, I look at her and I'm like, I'm not like her. She went to Harvard or like whatever, she holds herself a different way. And so if you have nobody who's like, who looks and acts like you as like your barometer for like the success of winning, then how are you going to say like, Oh yeah, I have a shot here.

Like you've I at that point, 32 season, 31, and I had never, I had never seen anybody who looked like me, who acted like me, who had the background that I had win. And so I think that that was, I guess Natalie, what's her name, Natalie White? White? Yeah, but her whole thing was, she's just overshadowed by Russell.

Yeah. Which, you know, who knows how that actually went, but like, whether or not it is another instance of potentially someone who had a better social game, Russell completely lacked, winning the game. And then the edit and also the perception post game was, well, she didn't do enough. Well, she did.

She did enough to get the jury votes. Well, I'm glad that this new era has really like whooped it in shape that women are much better than men. Women are really- On the dime right now. Hot take. I mean, the women in the 40s are sleeping. Yes, I love that.

I know, same. Same. Which makes me think there will not be a lot of women after. It might become a threat or whatever. Some men are coming. Yes, we need it to be even whatever, but you know, I don't know. I'm just, I just want you two to both

have the accolades that you both deserve. Cause I'm just, you know, that's why I wanted to play Survivor, was watching strong women do that. I love it. I'm so here. I'm a little emotional. People always say like,

No. It's okay actually. People always say like, is it weird like passing the torch on when you've won? Like, you know, that's your moment. And I'm like, I am ready. I like take the torch, pass it. Did you see Kenzie's TikTok she made?

I reposted it. Yes, I saw it. I loved it. I was like, get the fuck out of my way. That was so funny. Passing the torch. And also, I really believe that if you want this lifestyle, it's not going to be the end of it. If reality TV is your goal,

there's always another reality TV show you can go on. If being a survivor is your goal, you've already done it and you should be at peace with it. I do believe that there's, you know, there's so many opportunities in reality TV right now. If that's like your goal is to get famous and be on reality TV, like, you shouldn't also live your life expecting that call from this show or that show. It's like, go live your life, get better. The call will come. Yeah. That's not what Kirsten will say. It'll be like the people who live their life and do their thing are the ones who come back and not only go back but are successful.

I mean. That's what I've heard. We're trying to get that second crown. I'm trying to have that survivor crown. I'm trying to have that survivor crown. I'm trying to have that challenge crown. Yeah. And then like next at that. Next season.

You got this. Like the Traders crown. I'm just trying to like. RITV best podcast crown. Yeah. Oh, E.V. I'm gonna stack up the crown. You should see me in the crown.

Yeah, exactly. The other day I was on Twitter and they showed, well, how I started thinking about this was someone put a video of Rob talking to you in Winners at War Yeah, exactly. The other day I was on Twitter and they showed, well, how I started thinking about this was someone put a video of Rob talking to you in Winners at War and him being like, you being like, I was a little, my win was controversial, blah, blah, blah. And he's like, it's Rob Mariano being like, wins a win, babe. And he's like, yeah, I've given you a pep talk.

And I was like, it was really sweet. I watched those clips of me and I think back to that time in my life. And even like it doesn't even have to be that long ago. Like I had so much insecurity about who like this game in general, being on reality TV, put such a microscope on yourself. And if you enter in at 24 and you're not confident person in general, and then you're looking for that from like people that don't like you, whatever like outside sources.

Like it is very, a very confusing space like grow up in. And I've grown up 10 years, like in the realm of like, like thinking of everything through the lens of reality TV and a lot of worth being put there. And I'm realizing like that is not where the worth comes from. So like it's truly not. So listen, now I'm going to be reading all of your guys' comments and putting my worth in how this.

I'm just kidding. We've learned nothing. We've learned nothing. We've grown. Not at all. And I'm just kidding. And you guys just posted it's after this. We're all going to be reading them. We literally just posted the announcement. So it's just an exercise in dissonance here. I'm just not thinking about it.

I love that. OK, so we do have one last game. Yeah, I mean, we have to play this game. OK, what is it? Listen, I I knew bringing you two together would be, you know, a magical experience. And it has lived up to the hype. But I would like to play. I'm going to make this a little more. I don't know why we made this more PC because this podcast is is not. I actually feel like this is more PC than our first one. There we were talking about these and and Ds and all the things. This we've been talking about.

I can't wait to hear. We'll talk about our feelings is also encouraged. But anyway. Have a salad. We are gonna play, we're not gonna play Fuck Mary, Kill, we would never do that. Instead we are gonna play. It's us.

It's us, I love it. I mean who inspired this? We're gonna change it to Showmance. It's us, huh? It's us. I love it. I mean, who inspired this? It's us. I love it. We're going to change it to Showmance, Alliance, or Blindside. Okay. Okay, so Showmance. This is the PG version of Fuck, Marry, Kill. Not just PG, but also reality TV themed.

Okay. Right. So Showmance. So Alliance is Mary. Alliance is Mary. Obviously. Okay. Okay, got it. So showmance, so alliance is Mary. Alliance is Mary. Okay. Okay, cool. Okay, so I'm giving a throw.

Showmance is fuck. Alliance is Mary. And blindside is kill. So showmance, alliance, blindside. Okay. Are we all on the same page? Is it gonna be so fun? Listen, if you guys say fuck me or kill, whatever.

Are you done with your wine? I know. No. All right, why don't we have one more sip? Okay. I have a sip of yours. You're done? Well one more sip? Okay? Oh, I have a sit you're done Well guys I drink faster than you I'm first. She just takes it right from me like the winner. She is I have I have three bottles over there. I can crack one of those

Guys I stay at the ready look. I'm lubed up ready my bar is my bar is Very cute you already back. I know okay Anywho you take a sip of babes thing okay. You are ready. It's stacked. I know. Okay, anyhoo. Now you take a sip of that, babes. Start this thing. Okay, you ready? We're gonna, we'll start off. Yeah, okay, you tell me.

Chill, okay? You let us know. First thing, three shows. Got it. Survivor. Got it. The Challenge or Love Island. Oh, this is obvious for me.

Same for me. Okay. Let's hear it. So you marry survivor. Yep. You fuck the challenge. A hundred percent. And you kill love Island.

That's exactly what I was going to say. I mean, would you never, you would never consider love Island? No. It's supposed to be a little trashy. You got to bang it. And love Island. Marry survivor. They're the best at what they do.

Marry survivor. Survivor is like, you know, the old married couple on the couch. You've got to marry your first love. You want their advice. Yeah, exactly. Challenge, you just want to have fun. Survivor is a warm hug. The challenge is a late night romp.

Love Island can be blindsided. Yeah, 100 percent. OK, that was easy. That was easy. That was easy. I told you I was starting off easy. I wonder if you thought, ooh, that would be hard. Well, you guys agreeing on something is so surprising.

OK. Next. Next, we're going to go popular survivor foods here. Got it. OK. Coconut, rice, or papaya? I didn't have papaya. Oh, you didn't have papaya?

That was so good. Yeah, you stole't have papaya? It was so good. Yeah, you, I stole papayas. You know what? Dude, I can't believe she voted me out after I caught you and I didn't rat you out. I, we were supposed to do like a lot of halves and halves. We would like cut the papaya into like six. I cut one in half and I ate the entire half.

And I literally, she looked and shrank in the eyes. We made like rude eye contact. And I'm like, oh fuck, I'm getting voted off. She was like, I'm eating food. And I was like, I did not have anybody. I would steal them too at night, but anyway. It is like that, it is like that. Gotta eat?

If you, if you. Gotta eat? On my first season, we had mangoes. They were not ripe yet. But in order to get them ripe, like there would have to be a worm that went through them. So like if a worm went through them, they would ripen faster.

So we were in the season that they were all green. This is in Cambodia. This is in Cambodia. So they would ripen if you, if, so if you saw signs of worms, then you would know that it'd be ripe. Would you eat a wormy mango? You would just kind of eat around the worm. Okay. So mango is my papaya. Wait.

Sure. Sure. Okay. So we got coconut rice and papaya. Wait. Sure, sure. OK, so we got coconut, rice, and papaya. Back to the game. OK, kill coconut. Fuck yeah. I would also kill coconut. Marry rice and fuck mango, papaya. I got the same. Yeah.

Yeah, I did like the papaya. Rice is your really probably the best. I wish I had a different answer, but it's the same. Rice is your old reliable. Mango is the fun. Good white rice is the best. We don't get rice until way fun white rice is we don't get rice until I wait late Yeah, we don't get rice at all my first season. Okay. Sorry, honey Why?

Go back in my day. Oh my gosh I would be to we had to walk uphill to travel to council both ways. No, I'm just kidding. So did we. We swam to travel. We actually swam. We literally swam to travel. You didn't know that?

Stop. But you don't watch the new era. If you saw all our hair is soaking wet. Did you watch our season? No, what do you mean you swim? We had to swim across. Like the length that you swam for your challenge thing. How did you even know this?

The new era, like the whole theme of the new era is like, it's harder and we're gonna not give you supplies. That's why we're not giving you food and you have to work for everything. I didn't have a machete in Flint for the first three days. One tribe went like 10 days without it. Yeah, but we had all those bad things and bad things. We didn't have Flynn either.

You had no Flynn. No, we didn't get Flynn. We had to win Flynn like we had to win Flynn to. I'm just saying that the theme of New Era is like you got to earn it. You got to earn it. And so even going to tribal council, you have to earn it with a swim. OK, so that's fucking weird. That's bonkers. You don't like that. Callkers. You don't like that? I don't like that.

Call Jeff. I don't like that. Unfortunately, I don't have his direct number. It's while you did the podcast with him, so actually you have his number, but if- I don't, actually. Listen, if- Please don't say that.

The first thing I'd be talking about would not be your guys' swim. It would be on the list of five. Okay. Anyway, that did not happen. All right. Are we going to tell her? All right. We did not swim the tribal council. You didn't know. We did. Did you believe it? Yes.

Oh, damn. Why would I not believe it? We can gaslight. We should have worked together. Oh, my God. Why would you guys lie about something like that? I think you sold it better. I was just like, yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. God.

Okay. I feel deceived. You guys are good liars. You would not be in my alliance. I'm blind-sighting both of you. Look. You've betrayed me. Wow.

You've betrayed me. No, I'm just kidding. We gave it up right away, so. Yeah, you get... I always give it up right away. That's actually what I'm moving for. Yikes. That's hilarious. You's actually what I'm for Yeah, that's hilarious

You know what I love this podcast is about authenticity a hundred percent. Thank you for that Michelle Okay, all right. Let's bring this back around. I got one more chill one for you all I don't want chill Okay, let's kick it up a notch then. Yeah, we already did two traders Yes, you watched the new episode of the traders. All right. So you're familiar with the cage boys. That would be Boss and Rob, Wes and Derek. Oh my God. Well, I've played with two out of the three. So I have to blind side.

I have to blind side Derek. And I do think that's the right thing to do anyways, because he's a big gamer and like. Yeah. Strategically sound. They're all strategically sound, let's be honest. And I do think that's the right thing to do anyways because he's a big gamer and like yeah Strategically sound they're all strategically sound. Let's be honest, but I would What I feel like Wes will have to high nice tough What do you want me to go I can go cuz I don't know like any of them you go I will kill Derek Sorry for blindsiding him, we're not killing him.

Oh, I'm doing it. I'm doing it big from here. And who are you fucking? And who are you fucking? Wait. It could be. I don't know a lot of history. Oh shit, should I have not said that?

Totally fine. Okay, so kill Derek. I'd marry Boss and Rob. Yeah. And then I'd fuck Wes. Yeah. But, this is a game. This is a game.

You also could have said as, you know, a blind side alliance and- Yeah, okay. But you decided to make it fuck Mary-Kale. Well, I'm not going on. I forgot. So if I'm going, okay, so I have to, I have to, if we're just doing let's just

fuck Mary Kay. Let's just be honest here. I would have to fuck Boston Rob, marry Wes and kill Derek. Okay. Okay. Because Wes is the reason between Boston and Wes because you know that. Boston Rob has a little swag to him, you know. Wes is like the person who will like... He's the husband material. He's hubby. Boston Rob is like the person who will like. He's the husband material. He's hubby. Boss and Rob is like, he's got a little like, what's going on with him? He's like mysterious.

I like Wes's, he's got that letterman jacket. He's really given wholesome. Yeah, he's wholesome. Yeah, I like the fits in traders. Yeah, me too. That's a path going. Do they pay for them? Or do you know if they provide?

We gotta ask Parv. I'm not sure. Let's ask Parvv because I am curious. Yeah, I want to know this. If I can get kilt expensed, I need to go like, you can rock a kilt. So freaking great. Parv wears headbands and I'm going to come in with just like

a slew of kilt. Can you bring bagpipes? And her thing is headbands, but have you seen my pipe? Have you seen my bagpipes? You know the guy who's like the creepy dude who's in all the background shots just like him On traders, there's like a dude with the long beard. He's in like, oh, yeah He's like chopping stuff up. Yeah, like where did they find him? She is like, how much is he getting paid? He said yeah two dollars

With the traders here I can right. We can do that. Now, I say this with affection from the lens of the people I know going on the traders are all reality TV veterans. So this will which I guess technically some of these people are. This category is random men of the traders. Got it. Dylan Efron pilot Pete or beloved for Galatia's burgee

Wow Listen I can kill her I'm gonna marry burgee really He would be a good marry. He's in PT school, I feel like, you know. He seems like he'd be a great husband. He's a physical therapy school, we have the healthcare thing. I don't know much about him, but I-

Me either. I feel- He says a sweetie pie. There was scamps. I wanna marry Pile P because I want him to fly me everywhere. Oh, I like that. He'd like to take me everywhere, yeah.

Yeah, I like that. I don't know, but Pile P really I like that. And so what are you doing? I don't know, but pilot pee really came from Parv. So what are you doing? Are you killing? I mean, I'm killing Fergie. Yeah. Fergie. And then who would be?

Fergie. Fergie. She's gonna kill Fergie. Black eyed peas don't come for us. London Bridge going down. Fergie. Oh man. Fergie, and you're gonna fuck Efron.

I am like the least history. Yeah. What, you're gonna fuck Efron? I mean, yeah. There's a lot of thirsty traps of him going around the internet. I don't mind. That's why it's all realistic. I feel like I'll marry into the Efron family,

just to keep it. That's smart. Wait, that's so smart. I didn't even think about that. You know what? And that's why I won Survivor, learn about it. I'm just kidding. Okay.

Damn. No, I'm just kidding. Okay. Damn. No, I'm gonna marry into the family, obviously. You should've, yeah. And they travel too. They have a whole- They do. They have a travel show. Yeah.

Oh yeah, but Zach, everyone has a whole travel show. I did not. You are, you could be co-host. I feel like I would like that. Yeah. But then she's gonna be like looking at Zach. Nobody wants- I think Zach is hotter.

Yeah. Zach is a little Yeah, Zach. Zach is a little too over overplayed for me. Yeah, I think I love a brother of it's like you have like what you have issues. You have issues because he's always gotten the attention. Like, that's the person for me. I want I want the main one. I want like I like the alpha of the family.

Yeah, I like this slight always felt like me. You guys could be like the sisters. So now nobody even cares about Pilate P anymore. Now we're fighting over the Efron brothers. I mean, I would kill Pilate P. You would kill Pilate P. And who? Oh, Mary Berge. I'm Mary Berge.

Yeah, okay. And then I guess, well, I'm'm gonna what is the word show me? You all have a little differences. Yeah Well here we can all agree where none of us are marrying the same person so we Any female friend group including a lesbian, okay Next round. I'm gonna enjoy this one. I hope everyone knows this is so fun three reality TV Journalist legends podcasters, okay

Rob Sestrino Mike Bloom I can't how How can I? Literally Boston... I am stuttering. Boston Mike? Oh my god, it's Mike Bloom, Rob's sister Nino, and Dalton Ross. The thing is, is that Rob keeps the lights on. He's paying the bills right now.

This is a little close to home. Yeah, you gotta marry Rob. He's paying the bills right now. This is a little close to home. Yeah, you gotta marry Rob. He's always killing. He has stability. Yeah, but. Yeah, he'll keep you on payroll. He's gonna keep us on the payroll. So you gotta marry Rob.

Marry Rob. The thing is, is that me and Dalton Ross have, I mean, we've. We've been through it. We drank beers at the lanes in a, what's the bus terminal in New York City? Like we found our way to the lanes, the bowling alley and Port Authority to drink beers together. So me and him, we've been through it. I was there when you met Mike Bloom.

Do you remember that? I do. I do. So I got it just by proxy of like time of knowing them. I have to kill Mike Bloom, but I do love his tweets and I find him to be oh, he's so sweet Yeah, he was just there already Twitter scandal and very positive. You saw it. I saw that. Yeah, that's why we killed Derek And we love Mike bloom. Yeah, we love him. We love them all but Anyway D. What is your answer? I think I would kill Dalton

D, what is your answer? I think I would kill Dalton. Sorry, Dalton. I'd marry Rob. Yeah, we got it. Yeah, I can't say it. I'm sorry. You would work with Mike Bloom. I want to.

I'd work with Mike Bloom. Who wouldn't work with Mike Bloom? He's just an everyman. All right, well, great job, guys. Really proud of you all here. Yay! We're not done. We're not?

Nope. I have one more I want wanna do, at least. I feel like this one's gonna be a game for some reason. So now we've got, we've covered some reality TV journalists. We're gonna go to reality TV hosts. Okay. Jeff Probst, T.J. Lavin, the host of the challenge. Or the host of Deal or No Deal Island, Joe Mangiello,

which Brandon, if you need a picture, let us know. Do you know who that is? Yes. Oh, he's really hot. He is hot to trot. Wait, he's the one that was married to Sofia Vergara. He is. Oh my.

No longer. Oh, that's interesting. No, he hasn't tied. Oh, that's interesting. No longer. You wanna fight for him? No, I have a boyfriend. I have, he is in the other room. Just kidding. This is all theoretical.

This is he's in the other room. He's listening. But my girl, like we can we can. Oh, my God. Okay. Okay. So here it is. Okay. I would I have to. Oh, God. Okay, I- This is tough, this is tough. Brandon is dying. Yeah, I know.

It's because I just sang him. I just sang lips of an angel on my hand. Okay, that is, this is tough. I'll go first. Okay, yeah, you go first. Please help me. He's decisive. I'll marry Jeff.

He's been in the game for a long time. I think I got it, too. He's so sweet. I'm sure he's a great husband. Yeah, I agree. I don't know TJ Lavin. Like I just started watching Challenge, so I kill him. It's great.

I'm sorry. Oh God. I know I know what you know about him. You're gonna kill TJ? But have you seen this, Sofía Vergara's husband? I know, he's so good looking. Yeah, yeah. So I think I would fuck him.

Well, cause we've changed the rules. It was a line. I forget the original. It used to be something else. It's the showman's alliance blindside. Right. OK. So we've changed it. We're back to Fuck Mary Kill. We went real quick to Fuck Mary Kill. We're back to the original. OK. That's my answer. I have to. I have to. I'm a a little bit different I have to kill the deal or no deal guy cuz I like my the blood runs deep with yeah, I get that I think Weirdly, I think that I Would marry TJ. I think he's like literally the best

And I guess I have to bang Jeff I don't know. I I feel a little weird about that. Yeah, that's weird. I'll keep my eyes closed. That's weird. Nothing against Jeff, but I'll just be like, I love you. But I feel like I shouldn't be banging Jeff. It's like a weird dynamic.

It's just, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. This is so amazing. Maybe Dalton Ross wrote an article about this because she was feeling so sad about being killed. Michelle, Michelle, the one to Jeff Rho. I'm gonna pay Jeff Rho's I guess.

Oh my God. Somebody's gonna clip this and it's gonna be really awkward. And Jeff, I love you. It's not about that. If you take it in the other one, what am I gonna align with him? What is it? Align?

Showman. Showman. Show man. Show man. Show man. You're my show man. That does sound nice. It does. You just messed it all up.

Listen, I gave you guys the out and you said, no, nevermind. I want to make it more difficult. I kind of forgot. Should we, I feel like that's a good one to end on. I mean, how could we ever top that? Ladies, you were wonderful. Thank you for participating in Fuck, Marry, Kill.

No. We, neither of us have killed or married. Well, we didn't have the same answer though. We've never killed or married. Oh wait, the first one. You had some same answers. Right? Yeah.

The first two. Wow, surprising. That would be even across the board, you know. Okay, well this has been great. Thank you so much for coming on our podcast. You are our first guest. Thank you for having me. We are so honored to have you.

We just came back from such a long trip. Yeah, I've already spent five days with Dee and she still agreed to do this. Yeah. Thank you so much. I love you. Yeah, you're the best. Truly, I am. Michelle is the best.

I knew it. I knew you were the best truly I am Michelle is the best Meeting you really I can't wait to turn this shit off so we can I know It turns out that like can't be said some things are not able we're not but if you subscribe to Michelle Fitzgerald Better tea Maybe you'll get the behind the scenes. You'll get better tea. My Instagram. You pay $10 a month. I would. I would. 100%.

I'm subscribing after this. We're subscribing right now. We were just talking about this. I'm going to subscribe. My Instagram subscriptions are lit. That's awesome. Okay. Well, anyways, we're going to turn this thing off so we can really drink wine and gossip,

but thank you so much everybody who tuned in. Absolutely loved having you Dee. Thank you so much for coming on. I know that you are a hot commodity. The hottest. The hottest. She really hasn't done a podcast since being on fire with Jeff Proats.

So, not only are you here. I love you guys. We are honored, truly. Thank you for coming on. Thanks for having me. And thank you guys for tuning in. Rob, remember, please keep the lights on. Lights on.

We adore you. And good night, everybody. That was a lot.