RHAP: We Know Survivor - The Social Game Ep 3: Parvati Shallow In The Bedroom

Episode Date: January 30, 2025

Michele Fitzgerald and Kellie Nalbandian welcome reality TV legend and current cast member on Deal or No Deal Island, Parvati Shallow, for an unfiltered conversation. Parvati opens up about her iconic reality TV career, past feuds with former castmates, and the inspiration behind her highly anticipated 2025 memoir, Nice Girls Don’t Win. Plus, she plays a special round of Deal or No Deal to pick her ultimate dream ally and weighs in on the biggest reality TV trends and everyday moments—deciding what’s “in” or “out.”

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visiting in New York right now. We're so lucky to have her. She has been all over your TVs. If you turn on a reality TV, you're gonna see this face. We are here joined with Parvati. Hey babes, it's nice to have you on my bed. Thanks for having us. This is my first time on your bed. I know shockingly

because when you live on an island together you usually get very close. You didn't share a bed on the island together? No bamboo snuggles? We didn't have a bed. No I found myself next to Nick often. Yikes. Oh hard start with Nick. It is a hard start. But let me just tell a side story about that. This is going to derail very quickly. But one of the chickens, one of the chickens died. And I thought it was Nick's scent for a very long time. And I was like, Nick, you smell really bad. It was a dead chicken.

It's a chicken. He smells like death. I can see that. Yeah, that tracks that track. So anyways, guys, we are at the Social Game Podcast. We have Parv here. Parv, you've been doing a ton of press this week. What the hell is going on in your life? Oh, well, there's so much going on. So I'm on Deal or No Deal Island right now.

It's on NBC on Tuesdays. Rob and I switched places. He did Deal or No Deal Island last season, season one. I'm like the season two girl. Trader season two, Deal or No Deal Island season one. I'm like the season two girl. Trader season two, Diller and Odile Island season two. I'm about to be on Survivor Australia versus the world, which I found blessed. I love that.

I wrote a book that's over here called Nice Girls Don't Win. A lot of topics to cover today. So many things going on. I know, I love it. You spent like the whole week with boss and Rob. So like this is the time, it's like we're gonna like reclaim the girl energy here now. Right?

Rob is his own animal. He can't do like the girly energy. He can't, but he can hang. And he and I have a mutual understanding. Like we have a respect for each other because we've known each other for so long. And the last time I was in New York with Rob was season 20 Heroes vs. Villains.

We were doing David Letterman. Wow. Yeah. Oh my God. Wow. We don't get that treatment anymore. No. We're not getting it anymore.

They're like, you can zoom your interviews with thetoday.com show. Yeah, you have to like really stick. Today's like. RealityTV.edu. RealityTV.edu. Get out of here. Yeah, he was like, oh my God. It's just edu.org. Yeah, it's like, oh my god.

It's a charity organization. Is it legit? Or am I being hacked? But this is like a Don D themed trip, right? This is a deal or no deal trip. This was pressed for deal or no deal. But they want me to talk about Traders because I was on it because Rob's on it. No, we don't want to talk about Traders.

Oh, we're going to be talking about traders. I said, how could you not? Right, exactly. Are you kidding? It's so good. So good. I mean, we'll talk about this season too. It's always so good. Your season was iconic.

It's good. It's always good, but your season was above good. I mean, that's the one that got everybody, like, I feel like really like teeth into the traders. Like everyone was- Well, because the first one like had the half and half, which I think there's a place for having newbies in that environment.

But the reality TV people kind of like really led the pack with the confessionals and all of that. And then you guys came in full divas. Housewives, Phaedra, you. I know, it really was a perfect storm there. And now we have all the men. Yes. I know, what happened there?

So many men. They fall into all the men and the survivor men. The men. I need more survivor women. Carolyn. And Carolyn, yeah. Who's the only one, you know. That's our female representation this season.

I think she's doing great, but we have you and, for you and Sandra to be our representation. And then for Rob, Wes and Derek to come in on cages. I'm like, where is the iconic female? But Carolyn's doing well. So I think that she's just newer. So it does feel like sort of heavy metal grunge season

of the traders where it's like fucking murder, kill everyone. Whoa. Blood bath at the round table. This is like, I'm just gonna poison Echansu real fast. Yeah, exactly. And like stick on the cheek. Exactly. I know, where's that?

I missed. We need that. We need that. Crichelle's bringing cute looks. She served Elwood. Oh the Bambies, I'm obsessed with the Bambies. Yeah. I know.

We love the Bambies, we love the girls. I'm obsessed with the Bambi's. Yeah. I know. We love the Bambi's, we love the girls. I didn't know, the Bella sisters in there, she's adorable. Who's that? Who's Bella? Isn't, isn't, isn't she a boxer? Is she a boxer? Who's a boxer? Oh, wrestler?

The wrestler? No, wrestler, wrestler. Nikki. Nikki? May she rest in peace. Oh, is she, is she done dead? I'm sorry, I spoiled your life. You rest in peace. Oh, is she, is she done dead? I'm sorry. Is she done dead? I spoiled your life.

You just spoiled her. Oh, but you haven't caught up with traitors now, you have, I think, Kelly. I do tend to spoil everybody. But okay, you were talking about traitors, the first season was like half newbies. So you end up in this spot a lot, right? Like on Fans Vs. Favorites, Deal or No to Island,

there's like you and then the normies. The fresh meat. The fresh meat. Yeah. And so I was kind of wondering, I'm like, you had like Natalie Bolton, you have your new buddy, Phillip. Right? What is like the thing that makes you be like, this newbie is it for me?

Like, I'm going to draw them. They're going to be my buddy. I'm a vibe person. You guys get it. You're vibers as well. Like, you know, if and when you're forming an alliance with someone, you just have to click with them. Yeah. Philip knew who I was and he was like, just so he's so sharp and so quick witted. But also, he's a Barry's boot camp instructor.

He was like kidded head to toe with Barry's boot camp at the airport. He does really give that. Yeah, I love that. I was like, oh my God, this is my guy. Like, he's a funny gay guy who is really strong and buff and we can win challenges together, which I think in Deal or No Deal, the challenges are the most important aspect of that show. Yeah. Like if you can win the challenge. I'm learning Deal or No Deal. I need to give an elevator pitch. What is, for people who have not seen it, what is Deal or No Deal Island about?

What is like the premise of the show? This is honestly a tall task. Because she's been watching it. I will say, like, I'm having so much fun. I love Deal or No Deal Island. I love that you're on it. It's very, it's still being kind of campy to me, but like, I am the most generally confused sometimes when I watch it. I'm like, what is happening?

There's four people immune. I'm trying to keep up. Sometimes I gotta rewind. But I love it. Well, can't they change every challenge every time? There's a new rule. Okay. There's a new rule and the challenges are so layered.

And then you throw in like quantum math at the end where it's like 1.75 million plus 950,000 equals the highest case. And you're like, oh, my brain is fried. Who's doing that math with the lies? Oh no, that's tough. Yeah, so I'm just like, I'm guessing we have the highest case and I'm just gonna hope for the best.

Okay, that's the strategy. And I was just like, throw myself into it. And I was just like, I'm just guessing anyways. When I'm on any show, I'm like, let's just guess and hope for the best, I think. Yes, that was my strategy. I'm gonna align with a strong man. Yeah.

And win some challenges. Yeah. So it's like a mix of survivor and deal or no deal and. How did Boston Rob sell you on this show? That's what I wanna know. No, it's just you can win millions of dollars on this show. Wow. Yeah. Like, not a million. can win millions of dollars on this show. Wow. Yeah.

How much did they win last season? A million something. She won like one point something. A million. But it's not even hard. It's fun. Like you're on a tent. You're in like a glamping situation.

Joe Manganiello is hilarious. Oh yeah, I love him. And it's just like, you're having a good time. You're having a good time. You're getting, oh, you don't have an issue with Joe? We played it. No. We played a fuck, marry, kill game last episode and you did kill him, right?

I killed him because- You killed Joe? Well, because my other options were Jeff and TJ. And the worst of those, I can't be killing Jeff. I guess. Why? Well, I don't know. It feels sacrilegious. It is, it's like your original, it's like your founding father.

He's a founding father. That's exactly right. And TJ keeps the lights on for me. So like, I really, my hands are kind of tied. So if you were like playing that game off camera, who would you? I mean, we all know. You answer? We all know.

We all know that. We all know that. We all know that. I'm not gonna say it. Hopefully my boyfriend's not listening to my podcast. OK, anyways, back on track. I love that I have the notes as if I. OK, but you guys get it.

Deal or no deal is really campy. It's really fun. There's the alliance game. The alliance is coming to play inside of the challenges. So it makes it pretty layered as you're playing. That's kind of cool. I do like that. But you have to be like really surrendered.

Like you can't be trying to control the thing because it's not something you can control. There's so much luck involved. Yes, yes, that makes sense. When you, I mean, you've been on so many shows and what I've learned, having gone from Survivor to the challenge, the strategy you think will be, you'll be able to use a similar strategy,

something that made me successful in Survivor, would translate to another strategy game, did not work that way. And so I felt like you must have to adapt every time you go on these games. Have you found that to be true or do you kind of keep always like, this is who I am and I'm gonna play the same way

no matter what show I'm on. No, and I was talking to Rob about this when we were hanging out because people love Rob because of his consistency. And I think for me, it's about my adaptability. I'm like, you're not going to see the same me on every show. It's going to be a different person or a different version of me because I want to play to win. But I don't think I can play the same game twice because it's different people. It's a different environment. And so my like flexibility and adaptability, I think is my greatest strength in these games. So interesting. You are truly a icon in reality

TV icon. Truly. I mean, you've done every possible one, I think. Not the challenge. We all want to, when we go on survival, we all want to be you. You could if you wanted to. We all aspire to be you. That's always our goals. Okay, so what do you think, like, catapulted you into that position? Like, what makes you stand out? Do you feel?

Was there a moment? Is there a personality trait? Is it, what do you think brought you there? I think that the Black Widow Brigade was a big part of that. Do you feel? Was there a moment? Is there a personality trait? Is it? What do you think brought you there? I think that the Black Widow Brigade was it. Like it put me on the map and then COVID. Like when people started watching Survivor streaming as like a back to back kind of binge sit.

And then they saw Cook Island's me, Black Widow Brigade, brought the women together, voted off the guys, and then Heroes of Villains, double idol play. Like that sort of trilogy was the story that set it up for me. I never thought I would even play Survivor one time in my life. So when they asked me to go back again, I was like, no, people don't even do that. That's crazy. So I never anticipated actually becoming this or doing this for my career. But I just feel like it's so cool.

It's cool that you talk about like the pandemic, like Renaissance for you, kind of because that's when I I never watched any reality TV at all. And that's when I discovered Survivor. And I did exactly what you're talking about. I watched you all the way through. And then when I met you and you were like, people were like a little me. We had Dion last week and we had like a whole cool conversation about like women winning the show and like how that's like changed and like evolved over time.

And of course, like I feel like you have such an interesting perspective on that. And it was so weird for me for you to be like, oh yeah, like it was difficult at the start and people were so mean to you because I'm coming in and I'm like, everyone is obsessed with poverty. I mean, and like, rightfully so. Like she killed it the whole time. But it was like the pandemic that really shifted that. And from like where you were during like season 16, that's so crazy. Yeah, I wrote about it in my book. People are fickle. Yeah. People are so different. Yeah, it's a very different, a lot of difficult society because James also took a bunch of heat.

Oh my God. But this is, I really have learned that sometimes you are the hero and sometimes you are the antichrist to these people. It's wild the way the pendulum swings. It's like even season three night of the challenge, I was like the worst thing that anybody's ever seen because I was too controlling the game. anybody's ever seen, because I was too controlling the game. I was playing well, but it was too controlling. And then this game, I was like totally out of control.

The wheels are flying off and everybody's like, great, she's doing amazing. I'm like, what is the fucking formula? There is no formula. Yeah, the formula is there is none. Yeah, it's crazy. Unless you're Rob and it's like the formula that you need to take over.

The basketball shorts and the tank top. Well, I don't think that would work for me. I don't think that's a thing. I think with women, the standard, the bar is higher and the judgments are more extreme. Yeah, that's true. Is that where like, okay, so I'm obsessed. I love the Nice Girls Don't Win, amazing title.

Is that like, how did that come to be? Like that whole name? I feel like I might know, but I want to hear. I want to hear you tell us. Okay. Well, Sandra notoriously talks shit about me constantly. So I was in those comments. I was commenting. Oh my God. This happened right before I played Survivor. We were hanging out and this was happening right before. And I remember. Yes, I think I was like probably texting you about it.

So she this is before we played Traders too. And I think that's why both of us played Traders was because of this internet feud that occurred. So Sandra had like been in some kind of Facebook chat group trashing me, saying something like the Internet here like, someone was like, I can't believe Sandra won. Parvati should have won. And she goes, she commented, responded to this comment and was like, um, if you would spend some time with Parvati

on a beach, you would know she's not that nice. Like, not even the worst thing you could say, whatever. It's kind of like, okay, but also, are any of us dumb? I've spent a lot of time with you on a beach. I found you to be pretty nice. Thank you. Delightful. I don't think you're overly nice.

Like, I don't think you, nobody wants, like, sugary, sweet, like, cavity. Yeah, but you know, like, Sandra and I. Sandra, but she's not overly nice either. But Sandra and I, when we played Heroes of Villains Together, had a great rapport. I found her very entertaining. I laughed at her jokes.

We hung out a lot. The burning of the hat was like my favorite thing. She was very funny. She was hilarious. I thought she was hilarious. So I was like, God, we didn't have a bad time together. So this was like out of nowhere beef. This whole rivalry only occurred when she was trying to be the queen with her tiara at the end

after she'd already won Heroes Villains. And she's like, I'm the queen. And then I was like, no, I'm the queen. And then we were like, oh no, I'm the queen. It was so stupid. So then she says a shit. And Tyson, I don't see these comments, but then Tyson screenshots it, sends it to me

and goes, Hey, I sent it to you too. You sent it to me too? I 100% sent it to you. The show around the world really. Beefen? And I said, I guess we are now. Send it to the moon sis. So that is literally where Nice Girls, oh my God.

So I, I responded back. I texted it to you. I literally texted you to being like, do you want me to respond to this? Like, do you want me to choose a side here? People were choosing sides. People were choosing. It was so intense.

Like as soon as I responded, cause I screenshotted the thing, posted it, and then put a comment where I was like, call me anything you want. Don't call me nice, nice girls don't win. Survivor. And we have the book. And that's how it was born. And now we have the book. and then put a comment where I was like, call me anything you want, don't call me nice, nice girls don't win survivor. And we have the book. And that's how it was born.

That is like when you hear, like when you're watching the movie and they like say the title of the movie in there and you're like, that's the thing, that's the movie. You're like, I'm just so glad it's that. Okay, got it. I was like, I know this came from somewhere and I know, I know it.

And I think it's this, but I don't know if I'm crazy. That's, you got it. I was like, I know this came from somewhere and I know, I know it. And I think it's this, but I don't know if I'm crazy. That's, I know it. And I told Sandra commented to her credit, she commented on my Instagram and was like, congratulations, I wish you the best sincerely. And I said, thanks girl. You were title inspo.

Did she, did she acknowledge it? No. Oh. No, but we're fine. That's kind of a bummer because I feel like that's something that I'd be like, cool. I'd be like, but I messaged her in the middle of the feud. I messaged her and I was like, Hey girl, you, cause I was like having a lot of fun with it.

I was like, are you having as much fun with this as I am? And she goes, it got out of here. This was the day I saw you. This was the day I saw you. And I was like, Oh, okay, I'm going to shut. This was the day I saw you. This was the day I saw you. And I was like, oh my god. I said, OK, I'm going to shut it down. I'll shut it down.

Because people were really. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Go and play. I remember I had my first and only experience with Jerry in the comments. And I was like, these are the only two Royals that I bow to or some shit like that.

Yeah, yours was good. These are the only two Royals I'll get on my knees for. Wow. What a shit like that. Middle of the road. Jerry commented like, don't, women don't get out, don't need to bow and get on their knees for anybody. And I was like, Jerry, it was a joke.

God, lighten up, Jerry. You're working with two women. That's fine. You can bow on your knees for women. It's fine. Of course. Yes, you can. Oh, wait, ma.

You certainly can. Would you bow on your knees for Jerry? Do you have a little crush on Jerry? Did you ever, are you a Jerryman-themed, like, girly? I am not seeing Jerry's original seasons. Yeah, I think I am. I like Jerry. She's pretty hot.

I would start as a Jerry girl, and this is like one of those situations that I think we were just talking about where like everybody it's actually so different and Jerry was such a victim of the edit yeah yes I think her first season was tough I can't remember the order but yes she was kind of like the right thing you had like the original yes the OG black widow yeah Jerry really passed a torch to me. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. She's going to be on this cruise that I'm doing with her. I can't wait to bang her ear.

Oh, the cruise. Cute. I would slit my wrist. I can't believe you're doing this cruise. You are going to be trapped on a boat. I know. I know. And I tried to trap my boyfriend with me, but he's somehow

slid out of it. He has a wedding. I'm like, cancel the wedding. Oh, my god. I know. I know., cancel the wedding. Oh my God. No. I know, I know. God of luck. I know, but the good news is, is that they don't know what they're in for

because they actually are giving me an open tab so I can like buy as much alcohol as I want. Yeah, you can always swim to shore. I'll run it up. I heard Kelly was doing a lot of swimming on her season of Survivor or so. Yeah, all the way to Tribal Council. I'll give you some tips.

Lulz, guys, I'm not falling for that again. Are you sure? I will not fall for your antics twice. Tribal council. You will not fall for it twice. OK, so they used to make us actually fake paddle out these huge outrigger canoes, like in season 13 on Cook Island. Before tribal council, they didn't have drone

with your torch. Yes, we had our freak. Did we have our torches? And now I'm trying to remember, but we have to push and it was like sunset. You had to get and you're soaking wet pushing and then you fake paddle it. It's so exhausting. And then you push it back into shore. So insane.

This is what we had to do in old school. I know. Well, do you know that I used the analogy last episode that like back in my day, we walked uphill both ways to tribal. You know these youngins didn't even know the saying. Do you know that saying? Okay, what does that prove?

In the snow barefoot? Yeah. That's how you do it. Oh, you mean like, okay. You mean like this is like. That's an old saying. That's how you do it on survival. Also, you just said uphill. you didn't say both ways,

you just said one way. Did I say both ways? I had to, honestly, I don't think I was fully listening. I don't think I heard that. I did see the comments giving me shit for not recognizing that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought it was, at first I was like,

am I missing a Survivor reference or something? But this is just like a general phrase. Yeah, what are you, 12? No, that's what I'm saying, dude. How old are you? How old? And she went to Yale. 13 years old. And she went to Yale. Michelle has to talk about me going to Yale general phrase. Yeah. What are you, 12? No, that's what I'm saying. No, how old are you? And she went to Yale. And she went to Yale.

Michelle has to talk about me going to Yale every episode. And she went to Yale. Oh my God. Gabby is literally like, please stop talking about you going to Yale. She's like, please. I'll never let it die. And she keeps saying she's going to bring me Yale merch and what am I wearing? I do actually have one because I'm for me

now I thought yeah it's actually for my gift Wow oh my god I'm voting you every single time I find a new reason to vote you out and find a new co-host for this podcast every time. Yes, I can't. Oh my God. I love you so much. Anyway, sorry. Let's get this fucking show back on the road. Tell us about the book. What's the deal?

What's the tea? What's it about? Okay, this is my memoir. It's my origin story, how I became the Black Widow. Beyond now the Black Widow, there is a very special surprise at the end of the book that I cannot spoil, but it is a, it's going to be a historic closing of a chapter at the end of this book.

You're pregnant. I'm sorry. I wasn't going to say anything. No, you're a god everyone. That's a crazy thing to say. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. We're literally drinking champagne.

I've had two bottles of champagne and I am feeling good. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. We're literally drinking champagne. I've had two bottles of champagne, and I am feeling pregnant. OK, so. No, I'm not pregnant for everyone out there.

We don't acknowledge that. We saw this podcast. OK, so there's a big surprise. Well, do we get the first copy? Yeah, can we? Maybe we should live react to the surprise. Yeah. It's actually not in this book, because this is the proof.

So it's not like the fully edited version. Wow, this is like real special. I just threw the surprise in last week. And it's pretty monumental. It's monumental for me. I think it will be monumental culturally for a lot of people who are fans of mine from Survivor and like my legacy of being the black widow from the show.

OK, well there's a lot. I'm pre-ordering it right now. You're going to know so much about me. Yeah, that's a little one sided. I think we're going to have to do a six hour Zoom where I tell you all about my life after. Yes. So just like keep things out.

In short story form, like scene form. We'll just write a book for Parvati only. Yeah. So you're just sort of like. I'm totally fair since I know so much about you that you now sit through this Zoom and learn all about me. Okay, I'll do that.

And you know, for balance. For a balanced friendship. I am excited to read it though, I really am. I think it's gonna be great. I feel like you've had so many variations of yourself. You rebirthed yourself so much. And I feel like I'm excited to learn. Well, I know a little bit about,

I trapped you on an island for a while. I'm very lucky. So I got to hear a little bit about like how you were raised and what, you know, kind of what you did with the money after you won and the ups and downs of like so many of your journeys. And I feel like you are in the best phase of your life. Like I really do feel that way.

And I'm excited for you. Oh, thank you. I feel that way too. I feel really excited about what's happening in my life. And I think it is a testament to having gone through the amount of life that I went through and then to have looked back over it. And writing this book was like a 2 and 1 1 half year process

for me. So I really got granular about certain stories in my life and what, how I got into some of this stuff that wasn't really, really amazing. And then how I got out of it and what's really solidified for me as who I am now. And I think the moral of the whole book is like, just start over. If it's not working, stop digging in deeper. If it's not working, just like burn it down and start over. And you have the capacity to do that as many times as you have to do it in your life. I agree.

To be happy. I feel inspired right now. I am great. I am an abandoner. I do believe in that. I do believe in an abandon. I am such an abandoner. Like do believe in that. I do believe in an abandon. I'm such an abandoner. Like, if something's not working, I'm happy to leave it.

But I didn't pull the flag on Extinction Island, so... Certain flags I won't pull. Hell yeah. I'm glad that you didn't pull that flag because we needed you in that journey. You had a little spice and good looks to it. You know? You did so good in that game too. It was just like three rock stars at the end. Are we gonna unpack some winners at war trauma? No.

We should though, because you really nailed it. I thought you played a really good game. You know? There was a real, I think honestly, like a real renaissance for you in terms of like, at least the fan reaction, everyone was just like so, I mean, you really, it's not accident to get to the end twice.

No, and you definitely prove. On a very difficult season. The problem was is that I couldn't gain traction to any of my ideas. And I think that this is what, I never saw your season, but it sounded like you had a good grasp on the relationships enough where they trusted you and they followed you. Sure, you got blindsided and that happens, especially when you're in control, but you also have this, that ability to be like, here's my plan and here's what I see and I'm going to execute it with rallying troops. And like, I never had that power in

any of my games. I can see what's going on and I can exploit it. And I could be like, you are being played by Tony, but I can't find the way to like get everybody rallied behind it. So I think it's always my fatal flaw. I can like ride the stream. I can ride the current law for a long way. That is harder, Michelle. Yeah.

And this is why I think you would be great on deal or no deal Island because it's not a control game survivor at the end of the game. When you sit in front of the jury, the jury wants to know how you controlled the game. But on Deal, it's not about control. It's about doing exactly what you said you're really good at. You could win. Adaptability is,

I, you used that term earlier and I love that. And I do feel like that is something. And even with you talking about the book, how you like, you'll pull the cord on something to rebuild yourself. Like I think that that does work in a lot of these strategy games, not for everybody. But like the more you put a chokehold on something, the more you lose it, the more like people are onto you and the more some people can can navigate things that way. But no, that's. I don't know. Honestly, I think if you have a fixed mindset that's like the way I've always done it is the way it's going to be. And this is how I win. You're just you get stuck. And

I think you're going to miss a lot of opportunities that life presents. And I think if you can be adaptable in that way and flexible where you're not so rigid about your own personality and you're willing to kind of shape shift your identity occasionally to you know rise up to the occasion for different possibilities your life is gonna be just so much more fun I know and like I'm here for the fun yeah I really am that's what you're doing fun it's so fun okay You have to. Okay, okay. And at the end of every challenge, I'm so curious about this. Dear No Deal, this is my audition tape.

I am. Wait, Michelle, Michelle, do you like iced tea? And by the way, I didn't kill you. Don't watch the deal. She knows, she knows. What's your feelings on iced tea? I mean, I, Arnold Palmer who, why is lemonade in the mix?

Like iced tea is the king of all drinks. No, it's classic iced tea. So like what is the deal with the iced tea? It's like that's just their thing. That's their shtick. It's iced tea. It's just like really confusing at the end of every challenge there's like a vat of iced tea. You know I think what they want to do with Deal or No Deal Island is give it like a few

little gimmicks because it's campy. It's goofy. It's silly But it's also like cheeky and fun and sexy Yeah, and iced tea is just like how we cap off a day I love that I mean, do you like those kind of sexy in general? God, iced tea has me turned on right now Who doesn't love a vat of After the book you can have a line of iced teas has me turned on right now. Who doesn't love a vat of-

After the book, you can have a line of iced teas. Iced tea. Nice girls don't love- Just ice. Just bobbing in that cold, sultry, refreshing iced tea. I can't do this right now. Listen. I made up a dance for it.

And you know, Joe, you know Joe. Wait, for real? is from Magic Mike. Oh, oh, high standards. OK, so you have a magic. So my dance was inspired by Magic Mike. I don't know if they're going to show it. I imagine they will. Stay tuned.

Oh, I will stay tuned for that. I think they're going to be missing that. Hopper. I don't care about the cases. Like, I'm ready for that. Yeah. Well, speaking of campy and fun, I think they're gonna be missing that opportunity. I don't care about the cases, I'm ready for that. Yeah, well speaking of campy and fun, we have a deal or no deal game, don't we? Yeah, let's play.

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or actually I would prefer if you had like a really specific reason like rocked it. Like you know, no pressure. My favorite number is five. Okay so yeah, Michelle's favorite number is five, things like that. If that helps. Okay. You just do like four and six now. Like just kind of tease around.

Yeah you are obsessed with that. I honestly do. I honestly do. This is why you listen to this podcast. Okay. I hope they're not watching because I am watching. Don't watch the YouTube of this. I hope you're on Spotify. Go to Spotify right now.

Watch this on Spotify. Link below. Link below. Okay. So now you're going to pick. You're going to pick two games. I've DRLed this whole thing. Kelly's explaining the game.

You're so cute right now. You are really red. It's really adorable. I need to make sure the podcast listeners know too. Watch this on Spotify. I am. I am. I am. I am. I right now. You are really red. It's really adorable.

I need to make sure the podcast listeners know too. Watch this on Spotify. I am open to that. I am into that. Four and six. Okay, let's keep this thing on the rails. We can, we can. Okay. We're good.

Okay, reset. Okay, so Deal or No Deal Island, there are 24 cases here. You can pick two each round and each case has someone in them that you know from playing some season of reality TV with them. Okay. There's the spectrum of friendship and likeability is all represented here, okay? So you're gonna have two cases. You're gonna open them up and you will have to pick

who you would rather be stranded on an island with. Okay? It's a great game. Good job Brandon for putting this together. Great game. We love picking suitcases. I haven't seen you pick suitcases yet, you know, on Deal or No Deal, so I'm ready to see you here.

I tend to pick winners. You do. Well, let's fucking do this. Let's see you pick some winners. Let's fucking do this. Okay, great. So I'm going to, you know, provide your commentary on why you need to have good reasons. So what cases are you starting with?

All right. There's so many numbers here and this was my issue with Deal or No Deal is I am not a numbers person. I am a words person. I wrote a book for a reason. Close your eyes. I didn't do a math test, but now I have to I'm going to do it. So I am going to choose. It's really hard because there's so many, but I'm going to go straight for the heart

of it and just choose number five. Oh, okay. Case number one. All right, next case. That felt really difficult for you. To the center. Wait, do she open it first? Oh my God, did you know?

No. Oh my God, Sandra. Okay, option one is Sandra. I do not know. I swear. I do not know. It was a setup. It was a setup.

Oh my God. I don't know what to feel about that. She is my lucky number. It's Sandra. It's a rivalry with you. I'm going to talk to my therapist about that. There's lots unpacked here. Friction builds heat.

All right, we have one more case. I'm going to choose number six. It's adjacent to five. Great reasonings. Here we go. Five adjacent. Five adjacent. That's me next to Michelle.

Nick Wilson! Two real winners. Technical winners. Winners. What are the chances of the not me starting this podcast with Nick Wilson and now we found ourselves back again. You know, I'm sorry, I have been stranded on an island with both of them.

And out of the two, I would definitely pick Sandra. Yay, oh, the universe is healed. Yay. Oh, okay, we gotta do another round. This is so funny, okay. Okay. That's crazy. What's your favorite number, Cal?

My favorite number is nine. I'm gonna go with number seven. I knew you were gonna do that. That's fair. I'll take the L. I'll get the next one. I mean, it sucks. I just had to mess with you.

Yeah, yeah, you had to fuck with her a little bit. It's fine. Oh my God, Amanda Kimmel! Where has she been? Where is people really want to know? Where in the world is Amanda Kimmel? I asked you that day, I was like, have you ever talked to Amanda Kimmel? And you're like, no.

I'm coming out with a line of books. Actually, Penguin Random House is making it. And it's where in the world is Amanda Kimmel? And it's like, where is Waldo? But it's just Amanda Kimmel, really tiny. survivor. Different person wedding outfit. Beach state. Yeah. Oh I took a turn. Have you seen her modeling? Recent modeling. Oh my god. They put it on. Wait that was the Drop Your Buffs guys. They put it on their... Are we allowed to talk about them? Oh you know that's like a... It's a rivalry. Oh my rivalry., we had a little... I thought you healed that relationship.

We healed. Ish. We healed it. Ish. I did the Osra Villani Award with Venus. You know, I did the... Well, if you want to know where Amanda Kimmel is, then she has popped up on the map.

She has? She's doing some modeling. She's resurfaced. I thought those were like old photos though. Oh, you know what? I don't know, actually. They could be old. She is a hottie-pottie, I'll tell you. She's stunning. I could not believe that a body like that is actually a real thing. Like when I saw her as a young, chubby 14-year-old when I watched my first season

with braces and an identity braces and I'm like, kids like that go in a small little frame like that. It's crazy. From Montana. That's how they make them in Montana. Not just Montana. Mostly from Montana. Yeah. Farm raised. She was a beauty queen. She was like Miss Montana. I know. She's gorgeous. Yeah. But yeah, she's been at MIA for a while.

So why don't you pick another? All right. Twenty. Wait, what did you say? Nine. Did you say nine? Yeah. But yeah, she's been at MIA for a while. So why don't you pick another? All right. Twenty. Wait, what did you say? Nine. Did you say nine? Yeah, we're going to go with number nine. Number nine. You know what I love better than anything is a pity pick. You know enough teasing for my girl. Teasing's fine. OK, we all enjoy teasing. Coach. Oh, wow. Another iconic figure.

Another round of people you've both been on an island with already. But isn't that the game? Yeah, I think that is the game. Well, not everybody. Oh, not everybody I've been on an island with in these two cases? Maybe some from Traders or I don't know. You could have been in a Turret, you could have been in a Nun. Oh, got it, got it.

Okay, okay. Okay, well Coach is in a league of his own. Right. When it comes to, all right, I'm gonna put these four together and say who do I to be? I'm going to choose Amanda as the person I want to be on an island with. Yeah. She's really fun. Yeah. She seemed so fun. She's super fun. Heroes, villains. It was like a weird thing. I think she was in her PTSD from going back to back to the end. That's crazy though. And not winning. That's really tragic. Back to back is insane. Yeah. Lots of eyes on you, lots of opinions, lots of disappointment.

And at the time when she and I were on Heroes of Valence when we did Micronesia, it was a different era in pop culture where women were very easily shamed and judged in like really cutting looks based. It was like very shitty. So she's been through it. So I think she and I would have a lot to talk about on an island. We'd have a lot to process.

Maybe coach could be there mediating the conversations. That's actually would be great. Like a therapeutic intervention by a coach. Are we just gonna give roles to all of them now? Yeah, what's Nick? Nick is like the coconut chopper boy who just has to go get coconuts and chop them. Yes.

He has to work. Absolutely. And also he has to stay out of sight. He cannot be seen. He has to hide behind a palm tree. No, no, he does. No, he does. He does.

Yes. Okay. Are you? He shall not be seen by Amanda and I nor coach. No. Okay. No, nor Sandra. He's in attack. Nor Sandra. No. Now let's give Sandra a role. I mean she is in the house of you know, representatives of the Fiji Island like way back. Sandra, I think she's the one who like kind of comes in and she's sort of like shit talks you just so that you try harder. Got it. So coaches like coming in and he's like, par of Amanda, like you can bridge this and rebuild your relationship.

And Sandra's like, you suck. Yeah. Stoke the flames. Do better. Right. And you're like, okay, okay. So she's like, she's like a nineties parent. Yeah, yeah.

She's like, she's like how I was raised this energy. Toughen up, kid I was raised this century. Toughen up, kid. Get your shit together. Honey, get it wrong. You're a fucking embarrassment. No, I'm just kidding. My parents don't do that.

They're a role. Oh my gosh. Your mom listens to the podcast. She was liking all our stories. Oh, that's so sweet. You're really cute. My mom's great. Linda?

She's so. Is her name right? Yeah, her name's Linda. Linda-licious. I saw a Linda show that was like, oh, I bet that's Michelle's. That's really cute. My mom's great. Linda? Is her name right? Yeah, her name's Linda, Linda-licious. I saw a Linda show that was like, oh, I bet that's Michelle's mom. Oh yeah, one Pinot Grigio, she's Linda. Give her a three, she's Linda-licious.

And she'll tell you everything. She'll get feisty on social media. I'm looking forward to meeting Linda-licious. Let's have her on the pod. Yeah, what's she doing tonight? Yeah, well, I don't know. I don't call her after 9 p.m. I try to stay in the minutes. Yeah, what's she doing tonight? Yeah, well, I don't know. I don't call her after 9 p.m. I try to stay in the minutes run up, you know?

Yeah. See, I know some old school things. OK. All right. Well. One. OK. You said I didn't know things because of the uphill thing.

Did I win? Yeah. No, you got to do it again. Oh, one more? I think we should do it again. OK, one more. One more pull. This is our survivor people. I'm going to see more. One more pull. OK, we're to do it again. Oh, one more? I think we should do it again. OK, one more. One more. This is our survival, people.

I'm going to see more. One more. Pull. OK, we're going to go with number 11. You guys, I have no reason. Nice, clean number. I love 11, too. 3!

Oh! Nobody has another shot. Yeah, everyone else is screwed. Now if you pull Ethan, then we have a real Sophie's choice here. But otherwise, I think you know. Yeah, that's true. It would be tough between Saree and Ethan.

Like the theoretical tribe dynamic that you just did. You could do that again. Yeah, let's bring Saree into the gang. Welcome to Heroes for Zillens, plus Nick Wilson. Way over here. He's on his own island just chopping coconuts and sailing them over. He has to row them over every day.

One by one, one by one. OK, all right. Who's competing with Suri? Very serious podcast. OK, Suri is she truly is my survivor soulmate. So it's like all these people can never compare. Yeah, they eat rocks. But I would be- Kick rocks. I love her.

I'm actually gonna see her tonight. She's in time with her son. Oh my. Pooh Bear. Jared. Yeah. So sweet. I saw her when she was doing

Watch What Happens Live, actually. I was like in the back. I wasn't on the screen, obviously, because I'm a peasant. Soon enough, actually, I was like in the back. I wasn't on the screen, obviously, because I'm a peasant. Soon enough. Soon enough. I was in the back. We'll get you in the game.

Yeah. It's not easy to be in the audience for Watch What Happens Live. It's a small audience. Yes, it's very intimate. How'd you even get that seat? Well, listen, I may be in the back, but I can still pull strings, Barb, okay? You can still get in the room. Yeah, I be in the back, but I still I can still pull strings Barb. Okay, you can still get in the room

Yeah, I'm in the room Was Saria bartender too? No, she was like she was a main guest for Traders when she won It was early earlier in the season and I want to say she was on I don't even know who she was on with but Alan had been on there. She was like, I think one of the only few that was a main guest from Traders that was not. Oh, that's great. Yeah, I think that deserves it. Amazing. I mean, God, it's so hard to win Traders as a Trader.

It's wild. It feels impossible. And then she went and crushed it on Big Brother. It's like, is there anything she can not? We just both played Survivor Australia versus the world together. Oh my God, the world is going to lose their minds. We had a great time.

I love that. Okay, well you got to pick somebody to go against her. Okay, 13. And then put the little kibosh on this thing. Ooh, 13. Janelle! One who I've not been on an island with. Okay, we played Traders with her, right?

I played Traders with Janelle and she was really fun and she wanted to like... Okay, I remember this moment so vividly. We're in the Land Rovers. We're heading to our first challenge. I'm not a trader yet. I was it was like day one and Janelle, I'm sitting right next to her. MJ sitting next to us, Sanders in the front seat with her braces and Janelle is like, you got to call that out.

They were a central feature on the show. And they're like, you had headbands. You had headbands. Racists. Everybody brought something to the castle. We all had our own signature flair. And Janelle was sitting next to me, and she was like, OK, so 100% we're all not traitors, so what's going on, blah, blah.

And she's like talking about strategy and who we should banish. And Sandra turns around and she's giving it back to Janelle. And I'm looking at both of them and I'm like, both of you bitches are traders. You said it? No! Because of my brain. I know.

I was like, how can they be so confident that I'm not a traitor and that MJ is not? And that each other is not. Well, MJ. Well, MJ and Sandra. Right. It's Sandra if anyone is a traitor, if it's not me, it's her. Right. Logical conclusion. Right. Yeah. So I was just like short circuiting in the Land Rover being like, they both have to be traitors. But then they weren't.

That's crazy. In a wild trip to the Vents, you were. And you were. And then I was. And I was like, how did that happen? My head was spinning around. But I did like Janelle and I loved Janelle and Sandra's face off. Oh, my God. I forgot about this. Yeah, this was good.

This the pair, the matchup between Janelle and Sandra. You're a fucking traitor. Right. You're a fucking traitor. You're a traitor bitch. Drink that water, bitch. Traitor. Traitor bitch. You thirsty? Yeah. Traitor. Traitor bitch. You thirsty. Yeah. Traitor. I will say that I think traitors, what they do really well is their casting.

They have people who can hold their own at that round table. It is intense and people really bring it. And what they also do well is that they pick traitors who, traitors are like such a central theme of it. If you have somebody like Phaedra and you being traders and Kate, you know they're gonna deliver the lines. If you have bad traders, it's so much of the show. So who they choose is so pivotal to like moving the plot

and like the entertainment value. I wonder if they know like, I love it when it's like the, not the traders, but like the other people who come from like not competition reality show that then like serve like amazing gameplay like Dylan Efron or pilot Pete or even like Gabby. It's like, do they know like who's going to come in and be like, actually clocked? They don't. They didn't have those expectations. Roll the dice.

Right. Right. It was really surprising for them, I think. And they had higher expectations for me than I had for myself. I was like, you guys, I am not a good overt liar. You do emotional manipulation really well, but direct bold-faced lies. I think it's like mafia is so stressful for me. I don't enjoy it.

I'm just not having... You know mafia, the games, basically what... It's what Traitors is. Horrible. I don't enjoy it. Like I'm just not having, you know, mafia, the games. Basically what I have a horrible, we played it like as a cast one time and they made me and Dee the mafia and we like lost immediately. Cause I was just like so strained. You're like smiling.

You're like, I didn't kill you. But I also lose like as a faithful as well. Like I'm like, I like lose no matter how you slice me. Everybody thinks that I'm. Okay, well there's this, you know, you're gonna join. I just, I really, there's an infamous me playing Werewolf or whatever, like on Rob has podcast. Oh really?

And I was a faithful and everybody thought I was a traitor. When I was a traitor, everybody thought that I was a traitor. I just, I had no, there's no hope for me really. But you believe in it. But that's what it's like for me too. Yes. You're always gonna be. The villain, like the. under the spotlight of suspicion.

Yeah, I know. I know. And I think we saw that with all survivors this season. So what do you think about the survivor on survivor crime? A lot of survivors on survivor crime. Dark, dark murder happening. Yeah. I feel like at that time, there was four people, four traders

in the turret. Two were survivors. Two were very closely aligned. And I feel like in order for Bossner Rob to have any sort of power in that turret, he needed to get rid of the drag queen. Bob the drag queen? You can't have a Bob and a Rob. I just, you can't, you can't.

A Bob and a Rob walk into a turret, it doesn't work. It's too much, actually that did work for me. I am Bob. So it works for me. I'm trying to be the Bob that walks into the turret. And now this is my Traders audition tape. We did Dealer No Deal Island before. I am now auditioning for Traders.

I love it. No, but I think that it was a wild move for him. But also, I don't think he would have voted off Jeremy traditionally. So I think that he probably lost, we didn't really see much of that. I'm more like, oh my God, about them killing Jeremy. I was like, that really gagged me. Like I kind of get the Tony thing like fine,

but I was like, oh my God, they're really gonna kill Jeremy? And we didn't see a lot of how it went down. So I'm wondering if there was just, Rob didn't have enough control in the turret and he had to get rid of. That's the chain of events, right? Like he's like, he kind of got maybe strong armed a little bit. So then he had the strong arm. Yeah. What's your take? Because closer to the fire. These shows do not happen in a vacuum. They happen in the context of history. And Rob and Jeremy's most recent history is probably Winners at War.

Right. When Rob voted out Natalie and burned Jeremy and then Jeremy voted out Ethan and burned Rob. Who did that? So I'm never going on shows with anybody ever again. I was part of that. But I thought that they buried that. It doesn't get, what gets buried doesn't stay buried.

So I have a sense that perhaps that came into play. Could be a little subconscious vibe as well. I can see that. There's a lot of ego going on as well with all the boys. I think like the girls can bury it. Like, Phaedra, when she came in after I said something about the housewives at the round table and then she hits me in the turret with, nobody likes you.

Yeah. I was like, are we doing this or what? And we're like, okay, I guess we'll work together now. Like, girl, I do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nobody likes you. Nobody likes you, part about T. I was like, okay, are we working together now?

I was gagged to watch you guys work together. I was gagged watching you guys work together. I was like this as a Hellsweive lover, and Phaedra was just cold. She's so funny. She's so funny. It's truly irreplaceable. And then her relationship with CT too, because I'm also in that world. That was very cute.

I was like literally, like I love this season, but I obviously watch all of my friends kind of like go out back to back. A little sad. I still have Wes and Boston Rob in there, but you know, otherwise, you know. I know they're kind of having a little tension as well. Are you friends with Wes?

Yeah, very good friends with Wes, yeah. How do you think he's gonna do? I think, I mean, I think it will be hard for him to win. He's like such a game player, and I think he likes to control, like he loves to be in control of strategy. So I think it's going to be hard for him. I think ultimately, especially with Boston Robb,

two big personalities. They both really like to be in the driver's seat. They had a very interesting convo this week. Yeah, I haven't seen this. It's kind of like a face off. Yeah, a little bit. It was like a very awkward and tense. It was tense.

That's the thing. Dondie, Deal or No Deal, and Traders is not a control game. They're just not. Yeah, I love that. And even Survivor, I think to an extent now. Now it's, yeah, you can't have any control. Because of that element of luck, it's like the more you try to white knuckle something and make it go the way that you see your vision making it go.

So you really have to be able to drop whatever it is that you think is going to have to go your way to navigate whatever is actually happening and then to be able to succeed in these games. I think you just you have to have that ability to let go. I think some of these big egos don't have that because they just want to be the be running the show. Is this like Australian servers like quick this time though right? It's really fast. It was like challenge tribal, challenge tribal. This is how like the new era is. It's like you don't get a break every day is some new fresh hell. It was hearty hell. Yeah

that's why I use that time in the van to just be anxious just to go into a pool of anxiety. Use it to just stoke the fires of a mental breakdown. Who wants to sit with their thoughts? Yes. You know, panic attack. Yeah, it's like, OK, you can come up with a strategy. You can come up with a strategy. Or you can kind of fall apart at the seams,

which is what I use that time for. This is so, oh, that was great. We all have our own strategy. OK, we do have one last game for you, and then we're gonna wrap it up. We've really monopolized your time here, and my wine glass is empty, which is a sin. This is the only game that I've ever come up with. It was really funny. I love it.

I'm coming up with. I typically just let them do all the stuff, and then I come in and steal it and pretend it's mine, but I came up with this one, So if you don't like it, pretend you do. OK, so it's called love it. It's called headband or headband. So it's like in or out. Yeah. OK, so we're going to name some things. Some are like dating things.

Some are friend things. Some are just like regular things. Some are going to be strategy game show reality TV things. And you have to tell us whether it's headbands, it's like in, and it's fetch, and it's cool. Headbands are in. Headbands are always in.

Headbands are in. Braces, the verdict's out on that. I'm just kidding. See, she got them off, so they're out. I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding. Now they're out, because you're off, Sandra. They're off, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

You could call it headbands or head wounds, because Sandra also had one of those They're off. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. You could call it headbands or head wounds because Sandra also had one of those on Traitor. Oh, no. You really just got Brandon. That was excellent. OK. My goal of the podcast is to get Brandon to laugh off screen. That's actually my goal. I want to give you a little mic. Well, I didn't come up with the game headbands or head wounds.

OK, it's called a headband or headband. She's really rattle this one. Honestly, I think it's brilliant, Michelle. I'm really excited. That's why. Dude, OK, great. I mean, that's not as sarcastic. Now, saying that I came up with the game

doesn't mean that I came up with the prompts for it. I just shot it to them, and then they came up with these ones. OK, so you're already making excuses for your game. Yeah. OK, so if it already making excuses for your game. Yeah, okay, so if it falls apart, it's actually. It's my fault. If it falls apart, it's on them. Okay, voice memos.

Voice memo, like a voice note? Are you a voice note girl? I am a voice note girl. I would headband that shit. I agree, totally agree. You like to call too. I love a quick voice note. I can't call if I've got my daughter who doesn't let me call anyone without stealing the phone

and running away. Oh, cute. I will voice note someone. I love it. To just convey important information. Usually, it's an emotional tale. Yes. Of some drama that you cannot convey via written word.

You need the whole tonality. I love that. And if people don't like it, now they have that amazing thing where it can like prompt or read it. Yes, it shows the whole thing. And it's not going to give the intention that I had, which is to take you through the tale with my emotional, you know, sort of display of storytelling. Yes, absolutely. But they can opt to read it nowadays. But also the like the word is the words are never even remotely right.

Yeah, it's kind of like a fun little puzzle. Enjoy clapping when the plane lands. No, I hate that. And I headband that shit. And we all agree unless you're landing in their job. Orlando, Orlando. She gets it in Disney. Yes. Clap. OK. Well, that's actually one of them going to Disney.

Headband or headband? Oh, it's an in-between for me because whenever I go to Disney, it's fun, but it's too much. Oh, yeah. I just went with half my cast. It was like me, Dee, Emily, Caleb, and Brandon. We drank around the world. Brandon was sober.

And we were a total mess. I'm not a big, I'm headband on that one. It's like, it's so hot. Everybody's walking around. They have like mustard and ketchup stains on their shirts. It's like, it's just like a land of like mustard. Lollisnicks. And some t-shirts.

It's like Goon Squad City. It's not for me. I'm gonna headband it. Yeah, let's headband it. The Disney adults will be coming for us. The Harry Potter world. Harry Potter world different. Okay. Celebrating your birthday all week long. No, headban.

No. I agree with you. I hate it when people do that. It's my birthday month. Gross. Stop. Month? What are you, a Leo?

I know a few Leos like that. No Leos watch this podcast. Let's be honest. They don't anymore. I'm gonna headban it. I'm gonna headban it. I'm gonna headban it. I'm gonna headban it. I'm gonna headban it. I'm gonna headban it. I'm gonna headban it. I know a few Leos like that.

No Leos watch this podcast, let's be honest. They don't anymore. All right, filming fireworks, posting on your story. I do that. Me too. Me too. It was like bad, but I can't help it. I can't help it.

You guys, sometimes there's also pyrotechnic insanity. I know. For 4th of July, I was in a cul-de-sac. This was actually insane. People had RVs parked in their front yards in Fontana, California, like east of LA, my sister's friend. And I was like, I've never seen anything like it. They blocked the whole neighborhood. Everyone is setting off fireworks in their yard in the cul-de-sac.

A box catches on fire. I'm sitting there with Alma and I'm like, that's going to shoot at our face. And it just starts shooting off into the roof of the house. Are we working the ER and people would truly blow their fingers off with fireworks? Yeah, I think it's head. I think it's headband. I think it's in. Well, we all did it though. It's in. Oh, it's in. Yeah, and in. OK, not talking at the roundtable.

Oh, look, I didn't talk at the round table for the first go round. You took a little heat out for that. Yeah, I know. That's a tough one. But it's like, it's so hard. Oh, I would head ban it because I want to see people talk at the round table. It's wildly uncomfortable and you have to just force yourself to do it. You should be forced like in the challenge when you have a roundtable sort of setting, they make every single person talk. Oh, I like that.

They force you. I like that. They'll be like, they'll be like, Colleen, you haven't said a thing. She's like, I don't speak English. Besides that reason. That's OK. No, that's true. Don't cut that. Don't cut that. Colleen, if you're watching, I know you know what you said at reunion. I know you know that word.

Okay. Oh my God. Challenge drama. Challenge drama. Yeah, I know. But let's not talk about that. PTSD. Okay. That's fine, honey. Headband Colleen. Well, headband the challenge reunion And Colleen will headband the challenge. Are you in? Colin is headband. Yeah, it's hard to tell if we're saying headband. No, or headband. That's part of the charm. I am the origin was headband like B.A.

N.N.E.D. or headband. We are even harder. Before you are. That's the same word spelled differently. A little funny, though. This is an audio podcast. I sent them a message. I said, why don't you guys say it out loud? You can't tell the difference.

I was like, we were just saying it out loud. Here's how we would say it. Headband. Oh yes. We needed a part of the British accent to make it into this podcast. Okay. Well we can do it. Handband.

Do you want to give us, so you want to do headband? Handband. I don't know if I can, I don't know if I can emulate that. Is that the L1 or N? It's the same word. Handband. Handband. Hand band. Do you want to give up? So you want to do headband? Hand band. I don't know if I can emulate that. Is that the L1 or N? N.

Oh. Oh. Okay. Interesting, cause I would choose that. I hope you're keeping a bed home everyone. I would choose that. Cause I'm lost on this bed. Okay, listen.

Wearing sunglasses inside. Is it head? What did you say? Then headband, headband. Actually, I'll head only for one person. Surrey Surrey is the only person allowed to wear sunglasses inside. Otherwise, headband. Love Island people live where sunglasses.

But now I feel like I'm saying headband does the wrong thing. But before we were saying it was a good thing. Okay, moving on. You were saying headband is bad. Okay, well anyway. You're banning. We know. We know, we know, we don't like it.

Okay. If you're active listening, you know. You got it. PDA. PDA? Head? It's in. I love it. I am in for PDA. So I have a smooch on me in public.

Don't be shy. I will put my hand down your pants. Yeah. Okay. Well, you know what? I've already blushed once today. I already... This everybody is listening on Spotify now. Okay. This is where like the listener spike peaks.

Rewind to the spine and fade on your podcast. Throwing an immunity challenge. I would never do it. I would never throw an immunity challenge. Yeah, I don't think I had any. When other people do it for me. So headband in for other people doing it for me. Got it. I like that answer.

That I reap the benefits of anything I like. We're into it. I'll say go for it. Yeah. OK, splitting the splitting the bill on a date. I like. We're into it. I'll say go for it. Yeah. Okay. Splitting the bill on a date. Nah. If, no, headband out. Out. It's out. Out. It's out. Yeah. Just take the bill. Take it. The bill and I'm gonna put seven pedigree shoes on there. Don't complain about it. Yeah. Don't be a little bitch. Get a second job. Take notes everywhere. a third. God, I'm a reality TV star. What are you, I'm not making that much money, dude. Yeah, what am I, the Monopoly man?

I'm sorry, we have this podcast. What do I look like? All right, calling instead of texting. Yeah, I would do that. You totally do that. Yeah, I do it. Because I feel like it's just like a quick connect. You're not expecting it. I keep you on your toes. So it's just like a quick connect. You're not expecting it.

I keep you on your toes. So it's in. And we're gonna have a cute little chat. Head band. Head band. We don't know which one it is. Okay, getting too competitive on game night. Head band, that's in.

I really like it when people get ferociously. More ferociously competitive. Outrageously like out of control competitive. Flip the table or don't bother. That is my daughter's motto. She lived by that. She's six and she flips tables. Love that.

Yeah. She's gonna grow up to be a great winner. If you're not playing to win, you're not playing. Well, you only raise winners, let's be honest. She's gonna follow your footsteps. Yeah, she's winning. Turning on a fellow trader. Ooh.

Oh. footsteps. Yeah. Okay. Turning on a fellow trader. You know, I think that you gotta do it at some point. It just depends. Like if you feel like they're losing it, like I wish I would have turned on Dan earlier because it would have been more, it would have been better for me. I feel like if I would have done that, I could have like had a better chance, uh, feel like if I would have done that, I could have had a better chance convincing people that I wasn't a traitor. But I don't know, I just, yeah. I think it's a headband as a good thing

if it's gonna help a fellow trader to get the heat off. Do it in the right way. Okay, or if it's a boring traitor. All girls alliances. Headband, babe. That's always in. Always. Unless at least you can vote it Bates. That's always in. Always.

Unless, you know, at least you can vote it out like me. Unless you're Brandon, you're invited. Take me a picture. Yeah, Brandon's always invited. Come on, he's the one who wrote these. It's true. OK, taking a picture of your food before you eat it. No, uh-uh, stop doing that.

Do you do that? I don't. Do you do that? I deserve. Well, Gabby's like a food photographer a little bit. OK, if it's, stop doing that. Do you do that? I don't. Do you do that? Well, Gabby's like a food photographer a little bit. Okay, if it's your job, fine. Different story. Headband in if it's your job.

Headband for Gabby and no one else. Reggie person. A reggie. Who's just like going to dinner. I'm gonna adopt that. I love a reggie. Like, I was calling the people on the season with you like normies, but they're actually reggies. They're reggies?

Just a reggie person, just with your fucking lackluster homemade dry. Yeah, that's bad. I don't want to see your high protein plate. I'm out on your salmon and look occasionally I'll do like Instagram deals with this company called Marley spoon, which was like a box, whatever you make the thing and you have to make it. And I'm like, why does this look so bad? OK, but here's the thing.

If you're getting paid for it, it's headband. It's in. Yeah, headband in if you're getting paid. And by the way, if you're listening to this and you know that we're doing an ad, like that's how we keep the food on the table. So like, look, you want my daughter to starve? Yeah.

Buy these teeth whitening strips. Like her fucking a Marley plate, okay? Pretend that the food looks good. Like comment, share, send it to your friends. Exactly, you guys understand. Are you kidding me? I'm gonna be the first one in there being like, can't wait to buy that box.

I need that. Yum, yum, invite me over for dinner. My passion is food photography. All right, so listen, taking a picture of your food is out. Out. Fireworks are still in. So we're gonna keep that. Clapping, so listen, taking a picture of your food is out. Out. Fireworks are still in, so we're gonna keep that. Clapping on the plane, out. All right, ghosting.

Okay, I have turned a corner on honesty and directness where I just do it now. I'm just like, I'm no longer interested in communicating with you. Got it. Carry on. Carry on. Carry on. With yourself.

Yeah. I just do a wave. It's been real. But there's a difference between ghosting and Irish exiting. At a party, I will disappear and do a cloud of smoke. But ghosting someone, like who you're dating or friends with. Yeah. Ghosting is like you've been on a few dates

and then you're like, mm. And then you just don't say like sorry am I interested you just never talk to me. No I like saying I'm not interested. Yeah. It's like a dopamine hit for me. Yeah so that's how you got all of your nicknames. I am now a little bit nervous. I am sitting very close to you. I love that. She's like, I love to just cut them. I do that, but I feel like I say it in a kind way where I'm like, the chemistry's just not where it needs to be for me. Yeah, but I'm sure you'll find someone who's right for you. Yeah. It's not a match. Let them down easy. I got it.

I'll just drag it out into infinity and beyond. I don't go- So you're pro ghost. I hate that. And I don't poof into exist, like. I don't ghost. So you're pro ghost. I hate that. And I don't poof into exist, like if I'm out for the night, like I'm out into the bitter end. Like I don't know how to exit anything.

Oh really? I am a withstander. The night we met, we were the last ones at that bar. Oh my God, get me out of the party early. That's my favorite thing to do. I withstand. No, but the problem is with ghosting is people don't stop texting you.

Even if you ghost them, you still have to see their message pop up over and over and over. That bothers me. So I'd rather just cut it off. Yeah, tell them what's up. Cut the cord. Cut the cord. Babe.

All right, ghosting. It's out. It's out. It's out. All right. Using too many emojis. I love emojis. Same. Forever. So, do you have a favorite emoji? Headband.

I like the one that's like, bleh. Yeah, I like that one too. Yeah. The grimace emoji. I also like the like, watery eyes, cute smile. I use that one to nauseam. I use it so much.

It is, oh, it's in every, I have to actually delete it, so I'm like, I used that in the last seven. And it's supposed to be more meaningful. That one. It's not meaningful. It's losing meaning. It has been crying. I use that one a lot. I like the melting one melting.

I use that. I roll. I mean, this one. Oh, oh. Oh, like the haunt. Oh, yeah. I use that one. Yes. But I like I love if I have a picture or something like I love to like find the matching thing, like the food or the bow or like something that one. Yes, mm-hmm. But I like, I love if I have a picture or something, like I love to like find the matching thing, like the food or the bow or like something that matches. Like I'm-

Cute. I know. Very, very headband. It's in, it's in. Okay, karaoke. Headband, I love karaoke. Me too, I love karaoke. I don't do it enough.

I know. What's your karaoke song? Love is a Battlefield. Ooh. Pat Benatar. That's such a great one. What's your karaoke song? Love is a Battlefield. Pat Benatar. That's such a great one. What about you guys? Oh I'm lucky because I'm eternally victim. Oh my god. She's so lucky she's a star but she cries, cries, cries in her lonely heart. Are you kidding me? And the way I perform it is very spiritual okay? I'm ready. I want

to witness this. I get on the ground. Let's go right now. Are you kidding me? You get on the ground? What are you guys doing tonight? Let's go. Let's go sing sing on St. Martin's. Let's take Saree and Jarrett to karaoke. I mean, you ain't never seen a performance like that. That would be a magical time.

Kel, what's yours? Mine is A Thousand Miles by Vanessa Carlton. Do you know that song? I can walk a thousand miles. Yes. I don't know, different songs. So that's a different song than what she... She goes, I would walk off of them. Yes. I don't know. Different songs. So that's a different song than what she did.

She goes, I would walk a thousand miles. Oh, no. Oh, yeah, that's wrong. That's wrong. No. No, she is doing, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. If I could fall, it's into the sky. It's a very beautiful singing voice.

Oh, that's, wow, thank you for lying straight to my face. No, you do. I lie real time, is she? And I lie back. That's like kind of our thing. It's what keeps the lying down. I love this show. OK, you do. I lie real time. And I lie back. That's like kind of our thing. I love this show. Okay, well I think that's it. That'll be our new tagline.

The last one is not really relevant. I feel like closing it out. All right, let's close it out. Yeah, we'll close it out on that. That felt good. That was a thorough game. We'll sing it out. It was thorough.

What are we gonna sing? You wanna make it up? Make up our theme song. Okay, what if we each say like one word and then we kind of round robbing it? Oh, that sounds like too much pressure. I wish I didn't create this game. Thank you for visiting our podcast. We are so grateful for you. those gorgeous guys okay everyone's ears

bleeding now coming on literally we love you so much even worthy of no we're not we're not yeah of course you guys are iconic as well thank you stars thank you star no I'm famously not. Stars on the rise. Stars on the rise. This is like my beef. We were just hoping actually by getting a little bit of your time it would like rub off on us.

Yeah, we're like osmosis in this right now. Come on, you're a winner. Please. Yeah. Where are we going to be? No, I just always sit between two winners as the theme of this podcast. Oh.

That's double. Friends in high places. Truly, truly so headband. It's in. We are so grateful to have had you. You are the best. We love you so much. People are going to eat this shit up.

This was like when we talked about this podcast, everyone was just like, if you don't have poverty on this, like, why bother? This is very exciting. I love Girl Talk and I love beds. So we'll bring we'll bring more beds next time. We're only going to come from beds from now on.

We've upgraded from couch to bed. Great. Alright. Well thanks. Love you guys. Tune in next week.