RHAP: We Know Survivor - The Social Game Ep 6: Andrea Boehlke’s Red Flags and Green Flags

Episode Date: February 20, 2025

This week, Kellie and Michele are joined by three-time Survivor legend, Andrea Boehlke. The girls discuss the physical toll of Survivor, online criticism, and Andrea’s handyman from Reddit. They break down red flags vs. green flags in dating and share never-before-heard stories of their time on Survivor.

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Visit BetterHelp.com today to get 10% off your first month. That's betterhelp, H-E-L-P, dot com. We are back on my couch. We are no longer hotel hoppers. And today we are joined by one of my all time favorite people. Survivor has done a lot for me, but one of the greatest things it's done has brought me this person. And that is a fact.

And today we are joined by Andrea Belki. That is so nice. I mean, it's true. This is adorable. It's true. I'm so excited to have you. We are thrilled. The first night I basically ever went to anything survivor themed,

you were there. And it was a it was an interesting welcome into the world. But I will always be very grateful to you for guiding me through that night, even if maybe you don't remember it. So it's not that I forgot about it. I wasn't like drinking that much or anything. I just in general, it was a lot of these things. There's a lot of time kind of mushes together. I'm afraid. There's a lot of these things. There's a long time. It all kind of mushes together.

I'm washed up now. This is a while ago. So, it's fine. You'll go to so many parties and they're all going to kind of blend together. Yes, but you never forget your first. Yeah, I do remember meeting you and it was a fun time. It was a fun time, but it was weird. You don't remember this at all? No, I remember. You tell it because... I'm going to tell her.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This was like a formidable moment. I'm just going to tell you, she doesn't remember. She does not remember. But I was not because I was super drunk or anything. I truly... Oh, sorry, I am. No, I don't want to tell her. Yeah. This was like a formidable moment. She doesn't remember. She does not remember. But I was not because I was super drunk or anything. I truly. Oh, sorry. I don't want to paint that picture. It was not that I truly I have the memory of a goldfish.

Like, I can't remember anything. It was just weird for me. And this was like the period of time in my life where I'm like, you know, just went through trauma. So I remember every single thing about when I got back. OK, so this is the 44 finale pre-party that's happening in New York. This is the first thing I'm going to.

I've been back from Survivor for like five days, six days. Like we're very fresh. I'm very skinny and easily drunk, to be honest. And we went to a party we met, we're like hanging out, and then we're all trying to go to a second location, which becomes a drama because everything's closed near like midtown. So we go somewhere, it's not good. And there's this girl who none of us know who's friends with, I think, Geo from season 43, who was Geo mentioned in 2025. Who, who like was like, we should go to this.

Yeah, it's so fun. We should go to this gay bar, but it was like, we should go to this. I don't know. It's so fun. We should go to this gay bar. But it was like far away. So everybody's like, no, we're just going to walk to this other bar. And she had called Ubers, and we didn't get in it. But I was blissfully, and so were you,

unaware of what was happening. We end up still going to the gay bar, because this bar we go to was bad. And then once we get there, I don't know why you and I were the targets of this. But we she came up to us and was like, you two bitches think you're too good for a gay bar, like you're homophobic. I'm there like I'm literally gay. Like, I promise you, you are really upset at the beginning.

But then you were so nice to her. You're like, we didn't even know, like, I'm so sorry. She was literally like screaming at us, like full screaming. Oh my gosh, I don't even remember this. And you blocked it out. And you blocked it out. And we were there like really late, I don't know why.

This is healthy compartmentalization. Anytime anybody yells at me, I just love that. She like kind of apologized, but. I remember there was drama for sure, but I think I more remembered the bar we went to before that. We were trying to get in and they were closing down and we were rolling with you, me, um, a couple other survivor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Brett from 433. It was a, it was a random, it was a very random,

and then, and then some of the fans that were there. And so we were trying to get get drinks and The bartender said no, we're closing up you have to leave and then somebody in our group I was not at one of the survivor players, but someone said don't you know who they are? Yeah, it was really horrible I think they even pointed at me. Don't you know? I was like do not say that It's so embarrassing like you don't know who I am I was on, do not say that. This is so embarrassing. It's so embarrassing. Like, you don't know who I am.

I was on Survivor like a decade ago. It was so embarrassing. Please, Midtown Bar, Irish Bar. Andrea, I will say, does get recognized a lot. I do, actually. Like, you are, especially when we were in Wisconsin, it was like everyone, everyone knew you. It was really fascinating.

Yeah, I mean in Wisconsin. Your local celeb. Well, no, it's so crazy. So, okay, my last season was Game Changers. So that was what, 2016, I think. Long time ago. Yeah, almost 10 years. What?

Maybe 2017, 2017, 2018 of when it aired. If you fact check me. Fact checker, Brandon, yes. Yeah, we're good, 2017, 2018, okay, great. I'll just start like spewing out things that aren't real. And it's been so long, but like I swear in Milwaukee and Wisconsin, like I'm recognized once a week. No, it's crazy.

Nice. It's truly crazy. But also like even, I mean, even when we were at a Giants game, you got recognized, like you do get recognized a lot, but also I think you're also really pretty, so people are probably like, huh. They give you an extra, yeah,

they give you an extra stare. I feel like, okay, so I just kinda feel like I'm not, like my features aren't different. I feel like I look like any other blonde girl, but I do feel like for some reason I'm recognizable. Like I do have people stop me a lot. Do you guys have people? You probably do.

Yeah. Yeah. But like I think here people expect me to be here. Like if people see me out and about, they'll be like, did we go to school together as I work with you? I get a lot of like, and then you play this game. It's the worst game and you know it

if you're a zealous celebrity like me. It's like people start guessing then where they know you from. And it's the worst game and you know it if you're a Z-list celebrity like me. It's like people start guessing then where they know you from. And it's like weird stuff. And you don't want to be the person who's like, well, do you watch Survivor? And they're like, no. And then you're like, oh my god.

No, that's the worst. And then they start asking all the basic questions. And then I'm like, do you watch the challenge? You're like, no. And I'm like, okay, well, did you go to Freehold Borough High School? I like, you know, you kind of feel like a douchebag if you like bring up the reason that they might know you.

So you kind of teeter around it. And then my sister gets annoyed. She's like, ah, do you watch TV? Like you know, you don't want to say that off the jump. So it's, it's awkward. It's so weird because I don't really consider any of us celebrities or anything, but we do get recognized out and about. So it's always interesting what you're doing when you get recognized. Like I know this one, this thing,

this thing I'll always remember in New York. I would, when I lived in New York, I was really into string cheese. So I would be like eating, I probably ate, I probably ate like 15 string cheese a day. I love, I actually, actually found out I'm actually lactose intolerant. So it makes a lot of sense. I was always like sick, but so I would be, I would be eating string cheese on the train. I was always eating string cheese on a city bike. And one time, one time I got a message

and some guy messaged me. Do you not like string cheese? I mean, who doesn't like string cheese? But I guess I'm not gonna be riding a city bike. Fucking conking on that. I love string cheese. I'm not gonna be like, I'm not gonna be like. Are you like, you go like, you doesn't like string cheese? But I guess I'm not going to be riding a city bike. I'm not going to be like, fucking, conning on that. I love string cheese. I'm not going to be like, mocking at it. Are you like, you go like, you don't peel?

No, I peel. OK. How are you peeling and biting? You can bite it and then just stretch it down. And let me tell you, also, I have a little bit of a problem of eating anything on a subway. Oh, no, it's disgusting. It's disgusting.

No, it's terrible. It's supposed to be handheld food. But I was eating, so I guess I was eating string cheese on the train, or waiting for a train. And I was eating, so I guess I was eating string cheese on the train or waiting for a train. And then a week later I got a message from this guy that said, Hey, I just want to tell you that like I saw you waiting for a train and I really wanted to say hi to you. But I was with my mom and she said, don't bother her.

She's eating string cheese. And I guess now, because he messaged me years later, those two will quote that all the time. I mean, that's a hilarious thing. They'll go, don't bother her. She's eating string cheese. Honestly, I might steal that. Have you seen the TikTok where like they hold like brothers or friends or whatever will hold up like, yes, you say every single time that mom does something. It's like a secret language test.

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You do have isms, right? Like I have a lot of like isms with with my sister that nobody else would get the reference to that dates back from decades ago. Some girl, Laura from high school, said this thing that we just latched onto. And then somehow it now, who knows where Laura is, but everybody knows that that phrase.

So I love that this mom and son just have this thing. That's so cute. Because I was being disgusting and just like eating peeling string cheese, waiting for the A train. Well, I would say let's hope that this goes viral and you get sponsored by string cheese. String cheese. But knowing you're lactose intolerant, we got to find anybody's phrase. Well, I've been trying to get a lactate sponsorship.

There you go. OK, you get the string cheese and the lactate. You can collab. Well, you know, honestly, that might be the collab of your dreams. It would be because they go together, you know? They really do. We were talking about the first time. So like we were talking, reading the notes that you like had sent. And I was like, oh, we're going to talk about the time that you guys met.

And I was like, I have no recollection of when me and you met. And she reminded me, and it was the same experience. She was like my first intro to Survivor. Well, she only remembers because she was hosting the event, so she knew, she had like invited me or whatever. But I was on my first season, it hadn't aired yet. So like nobody knew who the fuck I was. And I had gone with the Beauty Tribe girls,

like Julia and Anna were with me. And we roll in and like we're in the VIP section, but like nobody knows. Yes, this is best was the experience that I was having. Who's this peasant? Yeah, I feel like it's great. I actually went with Brandon. You don't remember meeting me that day?

I, well, when you said it, I remember that it was your event because you hosted it with Meg. Yeah, and so when you said it, I was like, oh, that did have to be the first time that we hung out, but I don't think we like hung out. I was trying to hit on Joaquin from- Oh yeah. Yeah, Joaquin.

Julia, Julia- Which season? I don't know, I've heard of him. Julia was like being pursued by Rodney and I was heavily pursuing Joaquin. And Julia, Julia and I, Julia was like being pursued by Rodney and I was heavily pursuing Joaquin. Although, Did you make any moves with that one? No, dude, I tried so hard.

I all but threw myself at this guy. And he had no interest. I was like, are you gay? Turns out he ended up dating a girl for a really long time. So I was like, so it was just me, huh? All right. I want to know who you were yet. I was so sad.

And honestly, I will say I was a bit chubby at that time. I came back from Survivor. You came back from Survivor. Okay, because no, because then I over kind of compensated. I like went too far the other direction where I was so starved that then I ate so much. I could not gain weight. I was like a blow fish. You know, I was so starved that then I ate so much. I could not gain weight. I was like a blow. I was like a blowfish.

You know, I was like, OK, but no one that seems dramatic. Yeah, it was the heaviest I had ever been in my life. Yeah, but you looked amazing. No, I was guys. We don't have to. We don't have to go here. I had to go back on Survivor. I'll tell you, it was so hard. I don't know. It does mess with your metabolism.

Well, yeah, I mean, I couldn't gain weight back. That was my problem. Like I was trying so hard. OK. Yeah. Devin got me this for Christmas. I said it was too dainty and I'd break it. And sure enough, I broke it. I mean, we caught it on camera. I know. Is it broken?

It's OK. We can fix it. We'll get it fixed. There's a warranty and I'm sure. Anyways. All right. Sorry, Deon. I really am. I just knew it wasn't durable enough for a girl like me. Well, you set the expectation. I know. You were thinking about how you couldn't get Joaquin.

I know. And then I started anxiously fiddling it. I started thinking about my weight gain at that time. I just went on a spiral. But I will say, people don't talk about this. Everybody's like, oh, survivor, like the best diet ever. But truly when you get home, it's actually like almost the reverse is that then

you're so hungry all the time and it's really easy to put on 10 pounds, but it's really hard to lose 10 pounds. So like the 39 days you wither away and then you come back and it was almost like the freshman 15. Your metabolism slows too. I think I like try to do some research into this because I was like, what's happening to my body?

Yes, it was crazy. And it was just like your metabolism slows. So then everything you put in is just gonna like. That's so interesting. And also when your muscle burns, like the more muscle you have on you, the more calories you burn at rest. Wow.

So if you lose all your muscle, you will burn less calories just by existing. Interesting. So inherently. Wow. I mean, I won't get too deep into the weeds here, but it's so that the weight loss and then gain back is really hard for someone like I struggled with eating disorders, especially my first season only being 21.

I was still like in the throes of eating disorders. So when you get so thin with someone that had like body dysmorphia, eating disorders, like I had was blemish. Like it was so, you're like, wow, this is what I want. I know. It's so, and then like the world affirms like, oh, you look so great, island hot. It's so island hot.

And that like messes you up that way too. Yes, it is very, very difficult. I was only 24 too, so I was- You guys were so young, oh my God. Listen, I mean, we're not babies, but you are still learning the world and you're putting yourself out there, you're like withering, it's not an attainable weight for anyone.

And it's not healthy. And then suddenly, it's not healthy. And then suddenly, that's what people see you as and then they see you in real life and you're like, well now I have a little, you know how to a big thing? I thought it was only women, but actually Ethan has opened up a lot about like his body. Like it's not just women who go through that.

And I find it really interesting that everybody, a lot of people have a similar experience with it. Do you remember like the first time you would see, like you saw yourself when you like laughed like in a mirror? Yes. Image like burned into my brain. Well, they brought, so for the the breakfast the morning of like our like when You're always at the day product and could they do this now? Probably not, but they brought us a scale and a full-length mirror

No, I know that's a So I will I mean I think this is fine to share so they stopped giving scales I think yeah, but they brought it back for us. So I didn't weigh myself. So me, I was the second juror. I got out and I did not weigh. I didn't have a scale when I got out, which is for the best. I was already a hot mess. I didn't need to see that.

And then we were at tribal and me and Caleb were like sitting in the thing and Jeff comes up to us and is like bantering with us and we're like, Oh, we're so skinny. He's like, how much weight did you lose? I don't know. And he's like, get these guys a scale. No shows up in like the next hour. And so I weighed myself like I had been at Ponderosa for like three, two or three days. And I was one fifteen, which is like at least fifteen down.

So I was probably more than I only I played for 17, 16 days. It was like very dramatic. That's crazy. Now I think they have it, but they didn't take pictures, which they used to take pictures, no pictures of us right away. And we didn't have a scale until a few days later. And then everyone started doing it

and I think they have it back now. It's not in general, I don't even have a scale. Like I don't weigh myself because I used to have just so many issues with that, but Survivor was really hard for it. So hard. Yeah. And I will say,

It was a different time though. It was. It was a different time. It was like it was a time where like people would would shame you on the Internet for that. I mean, they still people still do. But that was so hyper fixated on. Oh, the body shaming, you know, what is really crazy. I talked to a lot of people from the challenge who like were obviously peak stars, like real world

road rules, peak days were like, like road rules peak days were like, like was crazy. They were like, so a survivor guys. Yeah, well, true, true. No, no, no, I know that's true. But I am more mean like people. I hear stories from like Anissa or like these challenged people that were regular weight and the things that people would call them.

Like it was so crazy to hear back like how they were perceived for how they I thought I'm like, that's normal. Yeah. And people would call them fat. Like there was just such a thing in that time about weight shaming. And you watch Britney Spears. Yeah. Oh, my. Intervene just when we were growing up and stuff. It was so critical now. Thank God. Slightly better. Society's moving away from that, I think.

But I mean, I had people and again, I was always thin. It's just that I, because of the time we were in, I had body dysmorphia, but people would like take a picture of me if I was like sitting down like on Survivor and there was like a roll or something. And they would say like, you're so fat. No, it's crazy. And at the time, now it would be haha. I wouldn't think about it twice.

But at the time, I was a really insecure girl. I mean, that doesn't feel good for anybody. I was 21, 23. And then when I was on a season with Natalie and Ashley, who are both just insanely beautiful, people would call me like the ugly step-sister or something. Stop. Okay, one of the first things they write about me,

which this one is kind of funny, but people were discussing if I was attractive or not. Like there was always these threads of like, is she attractive or not? And and then someone said, I don't know, she kind of looks like an incest chipmunk baby. Stop. I had really, I had a really chubby cheeks. Well, like a wild thing to call somebody.

I mean, points for creativity. But I went in, I went in, came in on the beauty tribe. And of course, everybody is like, wants to then talk about how you look. And it's like, that's just not how you want to enter. No, no. Like that's not how you want to lead in. The gauntlet. And they're like, people were like critiquing,

like well how'd they get into the beauty tribe? Do they deserve it? And it's like, that's, you know, social media. Do you deserve it, bitch? It was crazy at that time. And I do feel social media has shifted a lot since we've been on. I was 10 years ago. My first season. What? How long ago was yours?

My first season, I was 21. So and I'm 35 now. It was so long ago. Yeah. Yeah. And so social media then like mostly like Twitter and Facebook. I'll tell you what it was. It was Survivor Sucks. Do you remember that?

I have heard about. I don't even want to give it attention, but I'll. Yeah, I know low key. I think actually. I don't know. No, but basically it was I feel like it was a different time for social media. Don't look. No, no, no, no. Don't look. Please don't.

This was OK. So this was I would say, oh, my God. No, I would say this was the hardest part about my entire survivor experience Was reading what people would write about me. I don't do well with that either. So I grew up a talk What is that it that's when it's hosted no i'm dying because we all know like we all know the war Wait, why do we all know that before? When I came back No, I didn't I didn't even watch survival until the pandemic,

but I came back and discovered this because things are being written about me on it. I must have been on this when I was so young. Everyone, no one is safe. Before Reddit, this was, it was so mean. And what happened to me was I, they spoiled me before I went on. And I thought that I wasn't even going to be able to play. So my mom and I were aware of this site because someone said there's a girl,

and they didn't say my name, but she's a blonde 21 from random Lake Wisconsin. And we were all panicking. And I'm like, CBS is gonna call me. And that's so, I mean, that's terrifying. Yeah. So that's how we were aware of it. When I came back and the cast was announced,

I, this site was just so nasty to me. I felt like it was nasty to me especially, but you're only reading what people say about you. But I will say people hated me from the get go, especially on this site because back then, Dolton Ross, he knows, I've forgiven him, but he would ask you, who's your favorite Survivor contestant?

Who's your least favorite? And he asked me my favorite, I can't remember who he said, but he said, what's your least favorite? And I asked me my favorite, I can't remember who he said, but he said, what's your least favorite? And I didn't have, I was a 21 year old person, like I wasn't, I'm a different person now, right? And I didn't have a reason, I was kind of playing this whole shtick,

like I'm a tough farm girl. Like I was so in this, like I'm a tough farm girl. And I didn't know what to say, so I said Courtney Yates. Oh! By the way, no, I love Courtney Yates, she's one of the coolest people ever. That is gonna knock over great. No, like I love Courtney Yates. Oh, by the way. No, I love Courtney Yates. She's one of the coolest people ever. I did not go over. No, I like I love Courtney Yates and I think Courtney and I have mended things too.

Like I think I apologized to her. I didn't know what I was. I was on the spot. I thought I had to answer. No, I totally know how that feels. My pretty frontal cortex wasn't developed. I didn't know. It's true.

I just needed to answer it because I felt like I had to. So I said, oh, I guess Courtney Yates, because I just I don't think she participated in the challenges a lot. It makes sense. The antithesis of what you're trying to represent. I just did the challenge reunion and they asked me who the most overrated. Oh, yeah. You took a lot of heat for this. And I said, CT. And let me tell you, the reaction was wild.

But here's the truth is that I was I tried to not respond. And that was not not gonna go over. There was no not responding. They were gonna sit there in silence until I responded. So I was like, fuck, I don't have a lot of knowledge of the challenge. So I'm like flipping through people who I could think of and the only name that was not in the room

that I could think that people rate highly is CT. So I was just like, I'll just say CT. You just say a name. I just needed to say a name. And then I was like, I'm a dipshit for that. Yeah. I could have said any other name. Yeah. No, I know. So I have so many rivalries.

The pre-game thing is like you haven't even done anything. And you're just trying to impress people. You're just you think you have to answer every question. Yeah. You don't think you can say no, because it's like your first thing. Yeah. Whatever. It's just. Or you're like 87 thing, but still't think you can say no, because it's like your first thing, whatever. It's just- Or your like 87 thing, but still, you think you can't say no.

And I felt like I was playing this character of a tough farm girl. I don't know, I don't know. So anyway, they hated me from the beginning, but then what happened was, I think because I was a young girl and I was very flirty, whatever, I just got labeled a slut, like for no reason.

And I grew up super religious, lots of religious guilt. My family is very religious and all of that. And so right away, every time I name would come up, people would say like, oh, I think she's a slut, whatever. So then, and back in the day, back when I was in high school, that was so, people would just say that was the biggest insult. And it actually, you felt a lot of shame.

And at that time too, I was not even doing it. I was, I've been fighting that my entire life. I was called a slut in high school before I even made out with somebody. Like it's just always been a thing, right? So- So you're giving slut energy? I don't know.

I think it's I'm a friendly girl. Yeah. Well, you are flirty. I was very flirty. It doesn't mean that you're slutty, but you definitely are flirty. I used to be really flirty. I'm not as flirty anymore, but just-

Your aura is a little flirty. But this whole- Even though you say, I used to be flirty. I used to be really flirty. I'm not as flirty anymore, but just- Your aura is a little flirty. Yeah. Even though you say, I used to be flirty. Like, I'm so not a flirt. I flirt by basically berating you, and then I hope that that- So what happened was, someone went on there, onto Survivor Sucks.

Also, I hate that we're giving them so much attention. I hate it! Believe it! Believe it! Yeah, believe it! If you know, you know. Yeah, if you know,. I hate it. Believe it. Believe it. Yeah, believe it. If you know, you know. Yeah, if you know, you know, whatever. Now it's all funny to me, but someone went on there

and wrote what sounded like a real story. They said, hey, I just want to let you guys know, I went to a bar. I actually met someone who's a producer on Survivor. And they told me Andrea is like hooks up with all of these Survivor people. And they listed all these people. They said Malcolm, Eddie, Reynolds,. And they listed all these people.

They said Malcolm, Eddie, Reynolds, Cochran, all the people I played with. And then, which none of these were true. And then they said, at the end they go, three survivor producers, Jeff Probst, Tata the Bushman. Not Tata the Bushman catching strays. Yes, Tata the Bushman who is this like four foot Filipino man who he won on a reward to help us fix the shelter.

And people believe that. That should be the legitimizing joke. It was clearly a joke. It was so clearly a joke. I even thought it was funny. You see Tata the Bushman. You're like, OK. But what happened was people started to run with it.

And then no one knew what was real or not. So then I mean, if my history was Eddie, Malcolm and Randall, I'd be like, I'll actually let that ride. I'll let that rumor ride. It was like, I'm being labeled this and I didn't even get to enjoy when I'm being accused of. I know. And so it was obviously it was obviously a joke. And remember also major religious guilt.

So my mom would read these things and she would go, is that true? And she's like, I'm disappointed. I feel like I failed as a mom. Like I'm reading all these rumors. I'm like, mom, I didn't do this. Like that's horrible. And then I would sit down with her and say like, no mom, like I don't know why they're saying these things about me.

Cause then every time my name came up or a picture of me, it could be anything, a picture holding a coffee cup. People were like, oh, she's like, make some like sexual jokes or something. Oh, is there, what's in that cup? This is coffee. Is that a mug of manju? Please.

Like, I'm not even kidding. Remember your audience. Yeah, my audience. That was PG. I called it manju. This is literally what people would say. It's what people. Why? You're a nurse. It's what people would say.

I don't deal with that. Oh, really? What the fuck do you think I'm doing as a nurse? Well, I don't know. Whenever I wear a nurse outfit, that's what I'm doing. One step forward, three steps back for women. So it was it seems funny now, but at the time it was devastating. We're not laughing at you.

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and every comment was about that. And then it became where people are like, oh, I've heard people would say she doesn't have the best reputation because this weird story. Just one Tata, the Bushman rumor. Yeah. But this is the thing now as a 35 year old woman. I don't I don't care. It's like if someone said that about me, I'd be like, OK, whatever.

I didn't. Yeah. But no, I mean, at the time, 21, 23, my mom thinking she failed as a parent. That's a special. And like Tata, the Bushman, like does sound a little like it sounds like somebody I probably have hooked up with. They might be, you know, Tata the Bushman does sound like my time. It you know, there's no context to who that is. You should put it put in a picture.

I mean, he was adorable. He was adorable, but I did not hook up with him. And anyway, anyway, never beating the allegation again. Again, again. Funny now, devastating for me at twenty one, twenty three with a super religious mom looking at me. Listen, I also get called a whore, but I mean, I mean, let's be honest, every show I've been on, I've hooked up with somebody, except,

I mean, not on Survivor, but I really have left a wake of broken hearts in my past. A lot of men with face tattoos in my history. And honestly, a few women as well. My parents have to sit on the couch together with my brother every Wednesday and click it on and just pray that I don't. I'm always- I'm always on a topic I can contribute in. What?

I said, now we're on a topic I can contribute in. Yeah. I'm always amazed. It's like your parents are so chill about it. Well, okay. So there was an episode zero on the challenge 39 and we played spin the bottle and I'm like, ah, fuck. I'm with my mom, my dad and my brother.

We're in Nashville and we're in a hotel room watching it on like a little dinky TV. And I'm like, shit, I gotta warn them. So I'm like, guys, I'm about to do something really bad. And then I'm sitting with my dad. I'm passionately making out with this girl, Melissa. And I'm like. Sorry, dad, like I couldn't. I couldn't be next to my parents at all.

If that was going to be on TV. You know what? It's so crazy, like my dad reads all of the things, too. So like he sees everything that everybody says about me. But I think he just like they just like my parents just know who I am. I've never like hid any sort of facet. There's no space to hide anything in my family. Like everybody's just such an open book that for better or for worse, like they're just like,

okay, that's who she is. And she's, she does that. And also, I mean, speaking of family. Yeah, speaking of family, look, my sister is bringing me an Avril Spritz. I think it's a little more awkward. It's, I mean, you must have just kept adding things to try to balance it out. And then you really brought it right to the tippy-tock.

Not the Avril. Yeah. Okay. You look cute. We'll split this, Cal. Were your parents a fan of Survivor? Did they watch it? No, when I told them I wanted to apply,

they were like, my mom was like, what if you fall in a ditch and no one goes to find you? I'm like, mom, it's not like that. It's really gonna be fine. But no, they didn't read, but actually, I don't know if you remember this, Andrea, I don't wanna give too much light to this either, but I had a very violating fan experience

and I posted about it on a close friend story and you talked to me and you were so nice and made me feel better. Oh yeah. Yeah, that was not fun. Remember that or no? They just like. No.

So once again. No, I'm telling you, I think that. I know, we've been having interventions. I have Googled early onset Alzheimer's. Like I actually think my memory it's it's weird. Well, I think what happens is my memory and my brain is so trained to be an expert about some things because my hosting work. So I can be an expert about something for a couple of days.

Like I was just hosting this the microcap conference with all these CEOs of all these companies. I don't know anything about the world. But for those three days, I was an expert. And then my brain unloads, blinks light. Yeah. And so I feel like I don't have I don't have any space in my brain to remember everything. Like, I don't remember people. That's fine. It's very freeing.

Most of the stuff you don't need to remember. So what happened with the fan? He wasn't he was it was it was a bad situation, but he just like found a way to inappropriately contact everyone in my family and some very mean messages to them. And it was terrifying and you were very nice. I always they don't really read anything. I like I know this sounds crazy, but like, okay, obviously stalkers are bad. We know. So this is a great assault. But I'm just saying I feel offended that nobody's ever tried to stalk me before. Am I not stalkable? This is giving me anxiety that now people are gonna be like, let me look at the view outside Michelle's apartment.

Listen, I'm grateful because then I go down this rabbit hole when I think this about myself and I'm like, I can't believe nobody has stalked me. And then I think, okay, well, how then you live in terror. And I don't want to live in terror, but I do want to feel appreciated. And I want to feel a little stalked. You don't have enough appreciation. No and I don't want to live in terror, but I do want to feel appreciated and I want to feel a little stopped. You don't have enough appreciation. No, I don't actually.

So if you'd like to stalk me. Oh, I'm here. I'm here more than I thought. I haven't had people show up at things was when I had a job in the city where you could find the address of that job. So I've had people when I worked at People magazine, people would wait for me outside of the building. I'm just not stockable in that way. Yeah, you're not stockable.

No, I don't give... You're on the go. It's such a bummer. It's such a different Pilates studio. I don't give a stalker. I don't give like stalker, stalk me vibes. Like you kind of do. What?

Like if I were to stalk... Crazy attitude. What does that even mean? If I were to stalk anybody, like you seem... You seem a little stalkable? Wait, why? Why do you say that? Well, first off, if you're friend, let me just say,

there is a special place and it is Andrea's close friend's story. Oh yeah. And every week there is really a situation that you get put in, AKA you put yourself in, that usually has some sort of stranger that you let into your life that crosses a line

that you can't tell them that they crossed a line. So then they're in your house repairing your... I'll tell this story and you can decide if you wanna take it out or not. My problem is I think my whole life I've always relied on these dopamine hits, right? Like it's all this excitement of like I play survivor and then I get a job at People, I play survivor again.

Then I'm acting on a TV show, I'm doing New Year's Eve and then I play survivor again. And now I'm in Milwaukee and I'm. You're searching for. I'm kind of bored. Like I love my job. I think I'm gonna get. I have a very simple life. I think I'm gonna get the adrenaline,

like chain, like chain reaction, tattooed on me, because I'm the same. Oh, you mean like, like the chemistry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I say I'm gonna get it. Cause I also, obviously we go on these shows because we seek that hit, that like adrenaline hit.

And you're really on the hunt for it. It's getting me a little scared. But I stepped back from all of that. Like I've said note of several reality shows recently. Like I just like my piece now, but I still want a from all of that. Like I've said note of several reality shows recently. Like I just like my piece now, but I still want a little bit of that, little bit of that danger. But basically, and I'm a really,

I would say I'm a very nice trusting person. So what happened was. Perfectly stockable. What happened was, okay, there was a screen, like a window screen in our house that my ex's dog had clawed through, right? And my sister, I live with my sister, she kept saying, "'Andra, get this screen fixed, get this screen fixed.'"

I was looking at the screen. I don't know how to fix this screen. I'm sure I could figure it out, but I just don't want to. So I happen to be on Reddit, a Milwaukee Reddit. Cool place to be. All good things start on Reddit. I'm on Bahamas Reddit right now, because I'm going to Bahamas.

I'm such a Reddit nerd. Same. You're not traumatized? No, I don't want to look at those because I'm going to Bahamas. I'm such a Reddit nerd. Same. You're not Italian? So no, I don't want to look at those Reddits. Yeah, no, it's just Milwaukee Reddit. You can find things to do. Books, fragrances, I'm on every Reddit. So I needed to fix this screen. I'm getting guilted for it.

And then I see on Reddit someone goes, hey, I just got kicked out of my house. I have nowhere to stay. I am looking for extra cash. Like I would do any out of my house. I have nowhere to stay. I am looking for extra cash. Like I would do any odd jobs for you. And then these people are commenting saying, hey man, I know life's tough. You could actually move this couch for 30 bucks. You could do this.

And then I go, this is perfect. I actually have a screen for you to see. I have a problem and you can be, you seem to have your shit together. Why don't you solve my problem? So I say, a handyman just fell into my lap. And so I go, hey, I actually have a screen that you could fix and I'll pay you.

And I offered to pay him 50 bucks. So we, okay, so this is where things started to go awry. We're talking, we're talking, we're talking. And he sends me some pictures from whatever, Menards, whatever store he was gonna get the supplies from. And he says, okay, it's gonna cost like 18 bucks for the supplies. And I say, okay, cool, I can send you money, you do a Venmo.

He goes, I have PayPal. I'm like, okay, that's fine. And then he gives me the name and it was kind of, you know, making this a little different, but Nick Schreier 666. I'm like, ooh, I didn't know, making this a little different. But Nick Schreier 666. Like, oh, I didn't know if that was a red flag. No, the 666. OK. I can assure you.

I don't know. Oh, I feel if anybody actively chooses to put 666 in there, in a title of theirs. Yeah. Yes. That's universally a red flag. That is the numbers of the devil. Yeah, I know. I think devil numbers. Yes. Yeah. I think I'm pretty sure spot universally a red flag. That is the numbers of the devil. I know, isn't devil numbers? Yes. Yeah, I think I'm probably spotting a red flag.

So I did go, huh, not the best username, but okay. And so I also then went to his page and it was not safe for work. I go, uh-oh. And I clicked on it, but it was just because of gaming. It was just because of gaming. But this is, so I would just like to interject here because as her friend,

I'm watching her close stories progress and she's telling this tale, I say, well, this would be the time to pull out. This would be the time. You know what? I'll Venmo you the $50, consider it charity. You keep all the screen stuff and let's just call it a wash.

You got the devil in the name, not safe for work. Signs are pointing to, I don't need my screen fixed. The flags are flying. I would say my wellbeing and safety probably ranks a little bit higher than this screen. But did she do that? No, the problem is, and I honestly, if you wanna therapy me, you can,

because I think I need it. No, I've tried. Yeah, because I don't know why. Nine years into this friendship, I've tried. I don't know what comes over me, but I think I just go with it. Like, I think I just go with it. A lot of I have crazy stories for my life, and it's because I just go, yes, and well, so I go, you know what? He's still I want to help this guy out.

So I've been money or I pay paladin the money. He gets the supplies. He sends me a picture of the wire cutters. So I'm like, he's literally sending the murder weapon. So then I'm like, okay, great. We arranged a time. And so the time is coming up and he messages me and he says, hey, I'm gonna grab the bus because he doesn't have a car.

I don't know when I will get there, but unless you wanna pick me up from Starbucks, I just wanna get it over at this point. So I go and pick him up. Oh my God. No, I know. Alone? Yeah, I know. Alone? Yeah, I know.

It's up. Is anyone else at your house? No. Did you pack a weapon? No, I'm telling you. It's perfectly stockable. I'm sorry, but you. You're not beating the allocations.

No, it's. Because you're doe-eyed and you're cute and you let people in. I mean, it's nice that you want to see the good in people. No, I actually don't know what's wrong with me. So then, I did learn my lesson though. So then I pick them up. Well, OK. I mean, it's nice that you want to see the good in people. No, I actually don't know what's wrong with me. So then I did learn my lesson though. So then I pick them up. I'm shaking. I think I honestly,

I think it might be the thrill. I'm like, oh my gosh, this is a little, maybe this is too far. But at this point, this guy was so nice in messages. And I felt bad that it was a guy down bad. And so, and so he comes, I'm sweating here. He comes out of the coffee shop.

He, you know, long hair, has a backpack. He has tattoos, like tattoos here. And one is an upside down cross and one's a upside down smiley face. Or. That's my type, actually. And so then we go to my house and he is starting to work on the screen

and he's watching a YouTube video to kind of fix it and he basically can't figure it out so I'm working next to him, shoulder to shoulder, helping him, he has this knife, cutting this. He also pulled out his own blade. I'm like, dude, this is insane. And you're paying this man and you're ending up doing it yourself.

So I'm sitting there, what am I even doing? And then I have to go to this meeting, I have to leave. And so I put him out in the entryway and we agreed on that. I said, hey, I don't wanna hurt your feelings, but I can't let you here in my house. Of course. So he finished it in the entryway. He does everything.

I hand him, I only had a hundred bucks. I ended up paying him way too much. I come, he messages me, I fix the screen, send the picture. I go, great, it's all done, it's all done. I'm never gonna do this again. I come back, the screen is mostly fixed, but there, it's all done. It's all done. I'm never going to do this again. I come back. The screen is mostly fixed, but there's like a tiny hole. So I have to go fix this hole now.

She sent a picture of the screen and it's not even. So all of that, a hundred dollars down, literally living. Crazy experience. Yeah. If anyone can fix this screen. Is it fixed? Slide in. No, it's still sitting there. Yeah. So if you're down bad, you can hit up Andrea.

And she'll probably say no. Wait, what are some other bad decisions? I mean, you dated a guy who used to bring that chest thing to your house, which by the way, you did get a really nice chest board out of it. But didn't he openly tell you that he has no feelings and he's a narcissist? No, I know, I have a problem. I will say.

I honestly thought I was gonna- He literally said, he literally said, I actually don't know, I don't understand feelings, and I don't have any. That is a red flag. Actually, speaking of this, we do have a game for you. Because I feel- Let's just move on from this.

I do, we gotta move on. Because the truth is, is that- Keep going. I just don't trust your judgment when it comes to dating. I am curious what you see as a red flag or a green flag. So, okay, so, yes. And we'll work out the game. What I will say though, before we do the game,

I agree, and I feel like I'm a very perceptive person. I think I'm very self-aware, but what I lack is the ability to see a red flag. I think I get really... You see the best in other people. Yes, I think I become very attached to people quickly. I think that's a great thing, but... That's nice, because I see the bad in everyone.

No, so I think it's hard for me to recognize that if someone... It'll take a lot of red flags for me to finally realize that it's not a good idea. I know, but I think I want to actively tell you all, everybody who's listening, which is honestly, probably just gays and women. So I don't know how much of this is actually,

and Brandon, but I don't know how much of this this is gonna reach, but I wanna throw it out there that you can slide into my DMs if you, or you know somebody who would be a good fit for Andrea. Oh gosh. I would love to set her up with somebody, but I feel I need to vet them first. And so if you have any interest in dating Andrea,

dial nine. I'm not gonna put my number in there. Unless you wanna stalk me. Because I am available for light stalking. I think there's a part of me that likes the thrill. Even though I don't know I'm doing it at the time. Subconscious. There's a few things that make you really interesting

that also make it your downfall in dating and in like situations like this. And yes, I do think there's an aspect of the adrenaline part, but I also think that you really love people who like live a little bit on the fringe of the norm. Like that fascinates you. Like you are just innately very interested in people. And I think that when you find somebody who's in a situation or who lives their life in a different way, it kind of sounds like Tata the Bushman. Yeah.

Let me dig in. Exactly. It wasn't ideal. But I think I really innately do think that that is what's going on is that you are just fascinated by the way there are so many people in this world and we all choose to live our lives so differently and it's really easy in life to find people who are like-minded to you and then surround yourself with them.

And it's a lot more difficult to find people in life that are different than you and still want to keep them around. And so I think you just choose to have people in your life who bring a lot of different things to the table. And I think that that's a really great thing. It's just a terrible thing in dating. For dating.

Yeah. You're right. I do love the people on the fringe. You really do. You love a fringe man. Fringe. You love a fringy. Okay.

I one time got my fringe cut. Never mind. Okay. Well, I'll just tell the story now. Okay. Speaking of fringe. I once had got my fringe cut. Can I just derail really quick?

One time I was in Vegas and I had the worst. I was so drunk the night before and I had won a ton of money so I brought my fringe. Can I just derail really quick? One time I was in Vegas and I had the worst, I was so drunk the night before, and I had one a ton of money, so I brought my sister and my mom to this spa, and we were, I was getting massaged and the hangover really hit me, so on the way out, we were in the aria, and I sat on the escalator,

and I was wearing this fringe dress, and all my fringe got caught in the escalator. And so I was just stuck in the escalator and my dress is ripping off of me. And I'm flailing, I'm on the ground, my dress is being ripped off, I'm getting sucked into the escalator. This sounds really traumatic, I'm sorry.

I know, and you know what my mom did? She took pictures of me. Kim is yelling, it's so funny. They took pictures of me. I have a scar from the escalator, so it's okay. I'm sorry, I'm blushing, but it was a traumatic moment for me. That is pretty bad. I hate that I said fringe of society because every time fringe is such a trigger.

You really look triggered, Michelle. I'm so triggered. That sounds terrible. I need my drink. And this is why I drink. I'm going to I'm going to ask Kim to send us the photos. Yeah, no, well, I had to see it just for me. I was in a fringe cover up. That thing was sucked down.

It was wild. And that's not the first time I got caught in the escalator. I have PTSD. I got caught in an escalator when I was like in. I was at Liberty Science Center on a class trip and my fucking deep cut. No, deep cut. This is the most traumatic thing that's ever happened to me. Like single handedly most traumatic thing.

Yes. Imagine I was on a class trip surrounded by my peers, my young peers who loved to find any reason to make fun of anyone. And my shoelace got caught in the escalator. So then I got trapped. And so I know. So then my shoes stuck. I'm trapped. I my shoes stuck I'm trapped It's fucking like I'm getting sucked into the thing. I have dude The the fear of escalators runs deep here, but they made the class so they had to shut the escalator down

They made the class why nobody told me to take my shoe off. I don't know surround The area they're like, okay everybody step back while the maintenance people come and get Michelle in her shoe out of this thing, which is really traumatic as a young kid. How old are you? To be standing there with your foot stuck in the escalator on a cliff.

Eight, nine? I'm trying to think. Yeah, probably around then. That's tough. Probably around then. It was definitely middle school. So I've had two escalator instances. Yeah.

So I take the elevator nowadays. Yeah. I have a huge high on my knee from the escalator. Yeah. Yeah, but I didn't get, nothing got caught. I just knee buckled into the escalator real bloody. It just feels, and I'm one of those people, like when the escalator is coming,

I'm like, do I do that step? So now you're nervous. Or that step? Like, real. Well, let's do some immersion therapy. Like, if you see, if you ever see me, and like, I also have a fear of that, like, walking, like, in the airport.

Oh, the walkways? That, like, walk, walking walkways. You really have a trauma from that. And I'm like, I like, I like, hesitate. Two escalator incident in one lifetime. I know, I'm like, bitch, I can do this. And then I like, hide myself up. I'm like, let's go. Especially if I have luggage, cause then it's like me in my luggage, and I'm like, bitch, I can do this. I like, hide myself up. I'm like, let's go.

Especially if I have luggage, because then it's like me in my luggage. I'm like, okay, do I get the luggage on first or do I go first? Like, what's the order? Fuck it. It's a wild. There's your adrenaline hit right there. Yeah. I can find little adrenaline in every day.

You know, I don't need to, I don't need to hire a homeless handyman to get my head. OK, what are we doing? Jesus Christ. Red flag, green flag. OK, we're going to list some things and we're going to have to all vote. Is it a red flag or a green flag? OK, OK. I don't know what the first one is. So you're going to have to say that. I don't know what the first one is either. Wait, I didn't write that.

Oh, well let's just read them on here. Did you write that? No. Oh. Okay, so red flag or green flag, he talked, well I guess it would be your partner talks to their mom on the phone twice a day. Yeah, I don't love that. Yeah, that's too much. I love a good check-in with mom. Twice a day is a lot. That's a lot. But like, I would say once a day. Consistent twice a day is a lot.

Yeah, because then I see our future and then I peek in like 20 years into the future. I'm like, is she gonna wanna talk to me twice a day? Because I'm trying to have that sitch. Yeah, it's too much. Too much, red flag. Okay. Red. All right. All in agreement.

Red flag or green flag voted out before the merge. Oh, that hit hard. As we like to say. Brandon is shook. Well, OK. Michelle is on this podcast saying that I'm only datable because I made the jury. I just want to say. You guys are a jury. You didn't even say merge. I just want to say, oh, is the merge not the jury? No, not anymore.

Another prank up there. I'm not pranking you. I do prank her a lot. It doesn't really make sense. This is real. They vote out, we make the merge and two, usually two people don't make the jury who make the merge. What? That's so stupid. On Caramohan that happened. Oh really?

Because Corinne made the merge but wasn't on the jury. I think there's usually at least one. Everybody made the jury. Isn't that fun? People who I didn't even play with on Winners at War made the jury. Oh yeah really? Made the merge, but wasn't on the jury. And on mine, everybody made the jury. Isn't that fun? People who I didn't even play with on winners at war made the jury. Yeah, it was crazy. OK, so I feel actually like. Have you ever dated somebody who went pre? No, we're going to let me let me add Brandon's contribution here. Joaquin didn't make the merge and you were trying to.

Yeah, well, exactly. And that is so that's why I didn't work out. Joaquin didn't make the merge. And he here's the thing. I just guess more my compatibility is now with people. Pretty much. Sorry, Brandon. But Brandon's taken. You are really. It's not a red flag for me.

Here's the thing on the challenge. I've seen really, really smart, great people go out early because they're threats or whatever it is. So it happens. That's exactly what happened to Brandon. Okay, circumstantially, but I think it's fine. I'm the only one in the world who can make that joke, Reddit.

It's a green flag for me. Green? Because I prefer to date people that aren't associated with survivors. If they make a merge, maybe their head's too big. They think they're shit. Okay, well I hate that. You can't share the spotlight with me. I think it's good know what, if they make the merge, maybe their head's too big, they think they're shit. Okay, well I hate that. You can't share the spotlight with me.

I think it's good because if you don't make the merge, you are humbled in a way, and then you're probably a better person for it. Yeah, okay, well then... They're usually really funny. You've convinced me. I'll go green flag. Honestly, they're...

I've won either one. It's like, it's not a problem, so therefore it's green. It's not a problem. You started red flag. Sorry, Kat. You started red flag. I'm not gonna lie, somewhere started red flag. Sorry, Kat. I started red flag. I'm not going to lie.

Somewhere deep inside of me, I still think I'm red on that. I like how Andrew is reading these. Some of these are so not. Some of these are so bad. Red flag or green flag drinks a gallon of water. No, no, no. No, drink water out of the gallon jug. They like buy like a gallon jug of water.

Oh, you're not, she's not Jersey, but like here in Jersey. I think it's so fucking ridiculous. A gallon or is it the thing? It's like a Poland spray. Imagine a milk gallon, like a gallon of milk, but it's filled with water. It's a Poland spray. Specifically the milk jug. Yes, I'm going to bring up a visual.

Not a fancy one? No, not like you'm going to bring up a visual. No, not a fancy one. No, not like you drink a gallon of water a day. It's like. Well, what if you have a big thing, but it's not a milk jug? Is that OK? Because that's what I have. No, no, I think that's fine. I think that's fine.

Because I actually. It feels douchey to me when they're like, I have milk jug. Yeah, and then they take like the pop top off. And you're like. Yeah, no, it's not impressive. And like invest in a nice water bottle. They're fucking everywhere now. Do yourself a favor. Look at that one right over there. This is it's not impressive. And like invest in a nice water bottle. They're fucking everywhere. Yeah, do yourself a favor.

Look at that one right over there. This is a pet peeve. OK, yeah, I would say it's actually red. I should have said this for my pet peeve. It's a it's a red flag. Red flag. I'm glad you don't talk about Michelle. Yeah, of course. I'm neutral on that one.

OK, has a really close work wife or work husband. Oh, red flag. For sure. Whoa. Yeah, I would say red flag. Well, if they're calling each other. It depends how close. Yeah, they're calling each other, oh, that's my work wife.

That's a little, yeah. I don't like it. I don't like to share my, I don't like to share. I'm not a sharer. You can have, you can be friends with your coworkers. I feel like I've had people who'll be like, you're my work wife, but it's like kind of a joke because they're straight.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know. OK, well, different. Yeah. Different situation. We're talking about somebody that you're interested in. Like, yeah, it would be a cross. I think I think it's a complete red flag for sure. Especially if you're using that language. Oh, it spends a lot of time on Reddit.

Oh, that's a red flag. No, I think there's some people who are on every Reddit. You know, like they're like posting, they're like whatever. Okay, well I post all over the travel Reddit. You do? I post about books. I post, I like-

Does it say your name or are you like undercover? Well, I don't, I used to have one that said my name, but now it's like my weird random college email. So it's like MF six, seven, and I'm not going to give you the rest, but it's like it's like random numbers. Now you're stalking. And I'm not trying to. I really try to be stalking.

I'm really not. OK, so here's where you can find me on Reddit. MF six, seven. No, here's the thing is that I'm not trying to be coy. I'm not like ashamed of it being me. Like I'm I'm usually asking advice on where I can travel or what book I should read. I just go on TikTok for that. I, but I don't use TikTok, so.

I go on Reddit quite a bit, not survivor Reddit, but to learn things. Cause I feel like Reddit is people giving the real stories. Yeah. So if I want to find out what product actually works. Yes. Like Reddit is a really good place. Cause why would people lie on there? It is. Reddit on this podcast. I know, if I want to find out what product actually works, like Reddit is a really good place. Cause why would people lie on there?

It is Reddit on this podcast. I know, but I, I felt the red flag just because I don't like how much I'm on Reddit and the things that I do on Reddit, finding these people. Maybe it depends which Reddits. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So if you're on like, I bet which sub Reddits. Yeah. Yes. I would, I would need a list of the Reddits. But it's also like, if I am looking for an answer to something, I go on Reddit. So I actually am OK with that.

I'll green flag it. Yeah, I'm OK with it. Mine's probably green flag, too. Yeah. Do you want me to read one? OK, good. I'm going to do and I I'm going to red flag this right away. Posting like inspirational quotes on your Instagram story. Like, like, that's a red flag. The hardest thing, you know, whatever. And then it's got like a painting behind it or something.

OK, yes. I think you could have worse red flags, but I just don't. You know what? I will say is I do know a couple of people in my circles that do that and they have a big following and people are really inspired by them. So I recognize it as this is your they're doing it. Social media is your tool. It's your brand. And if it helps people, it helps people.

For me, it's not for me. It's not for me either. I would say, OK, a lot of it was someone you're not. And that's the difference. If you're dating or people. OK, so if Devin did it, I'd be like, that's are we having marital issues? Like, what do we need to talk about?

Let's work through this. Like, yeah, we I know a therapist. People like subtweet with you now. Definitely like they're like, heal yourself. I feel that when I see an inspirational quote, I'm like, what? Either you're bragging because you're like, fine, I found peace. And now my best self. And I'm like, OK, well, now you're bragging that you don't drink five times a week like I do.

And you think you're better than me. No. Or it's the reverse. Right. It's like when things fall apart, everything comes back together. And you're like, oh, fuck, they broke up. No, yeah. Yeah. It's like, what's the what's the real message? The inspirational quote is just a facade for the real thing. Yes. So I'm always like I'm always like pause on it. I'm like, hmm, what are we really? Let's contemplate this.

So yeah, I was going to say it's the same thing as when relationships, when people are gushing and gushing and gushing. And sometimes that is real. But sometimes the more people post, the more you think, Oh my God, are we overdoing it? Are we handing on to this too hard? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A little performative. Really, me and Devin just post together because it does actually a lot better and so

We're trying to get brand deals I'm like you guys are very authentic. I'm like post meme motherfucker. I need to work with this luggage brand No, but I really think that I think for me that's Okay in friends. I think it's a green flag in boyfriends. I think it's a red flag Yeah, yeah, okay. I would agree with that All right, should we keep going? Yeah, do it. How about? Has a Chinese symbol tattooed on them and they are not of any Asian or Chinese descent. Well seeing as Callum had a Chinese symbol tattooed on his forehead and

as Callum had a Chinese symbol tattooed on his forehead. And when I inquired about it, I was, which Callum is somebody who I made the mistake of pursuing on the challenge season 39. And he had a whole other girlfriend. So the honestly, definite red flag. The face tattoo should have told me, but it was a Chinese symbol for the word shrimp because he played tattoo roulette with his friends.

And what happens is that they pick, put locations of tattoos and then what you have to get tattooed on you in two different bowls and they pick out. So he picked out face and then he picked out shrimp. Oh my God. And then he's like, oh fuck. That's a terrible pose. He goes, well, what am I gonna do?

I can't get a shrimp scampi tattooed on my face. So he got the Chinese like little. I actually think a little shrimp would have been better. Yeah, he got the little. I don't know if it was his forehead. It might have been here, but it's like he couldn't encircled his eye. It's like a red. Listen, he has a lot of face tattoos.

I don't know what I was thinking. It was it's a smooth talking man, you know, it's every time you can look past the face tattoo. So, uh, was it a flag? Now a red flag. I mean, I guess it's not either. I mean, I would say green flag just because I love tattoos. Yeah, I love tattoos, too.

I really do. What about you? Um, I probably not. I don't think I would like that. I don't know if it's like a red flag. Yeah, like it's so bad that I would like that. I don't know if it's like a red flag. Yeah. Like it's so bad that I'm like automatically writing you off would not be something I would prefer. What if they had like mom in a heart with an arrow? Yeah, I hate that.

Andrea would be like, all right, let me give him a chance. He's like a sweet guy. And he would be like, cares a lot about it. He probably calls his mom twice a day. He has like a tramp stamp of like Tata, the Bushman. That'll do it. It's just Tata. Yeah. Right. Right. And she's like, sign me up.

Oh, my God. OK. I'm going to be single for a while. Let's do it. Oh, no. OK. By choice. Yeah. OK. Good. No, it's empowering you. Love that. I love being single with not any interest in anyone because no one can hurt me. I'm not going to go through a breakup anytime soon. I'm so focused on. Impenetrable.

It's so nice not having like a crush. Like, it's just nice just being just hanging. Love it. Love that for you. OK. What if they were a fan of you on Survivor or the challenge or whatever? a fan of you on Survivor or the challenge or whatever. I tend to date a lot of people that are on reality TV because I love crazy and I don't think it would bother me to date, Andrea's dated a lot of fans before, haven't you?

You throwing into the bus so much. She really is. A lot of fans. But it's also hard to be like if someone was like. At least one. I did one super fan. But he was great. Which one are you thinking about?

She said didn't he have a hairy back? Yeah, he did. Yeah, but we liked him. He was really nice. Yeah. Yeah, I like. Yeah, but we liked him. He was really nice. Yeah. Yeah, I like him. Anyways, besides the point, I wouldn't mind.

Hairy backs are in. I wouldn't mind dating a fan. That wouldn't bother me. It doesn't bother me because there's a lot of really cool fans. Especially now, I mean, when I first went on the show, there weren't a lot of people our age that watched or talked about watching Survivor.

I feel like it wasn't cool now Especially the people I meet they're the coolest people ever. Yeah in Milwaukee There's a couple areas little neighborhoods in Milwaukee that are very much Remind me of Brooklyn. Yeah, and I feel like there's these couple of neighborhoods of these really cool people All like vintage cameras like vintage camcorders on their shoulder, like don't have social media, and they're all like obsessed with Survivor, and they're like the coolest people ever,

and they're hot, so I don't think I would rule it out. Yeah, no, I definitely wouldn't rule it out. I'll green flag it. Yeah, I'll green flag it. If someone wasn't a fan of you too, that would be like worse. Well, yeah. Well, I know, most people I date actually don't watch,

yeah, they have no clue, and then I actually, I don't want them to go and watch it. I don't know. Typically, it was so long ago. Typically, I've asked for people to not watch it, but I will say, when I started dating Devin, my family made him sit down and watch my final episode. They made him.

They were like, if you wanna understand her, you should watch this really pivotal moment in her life. Oh, 32? Yeah, so I think, listen, I don't think they have to know you or watch you or like whatever. It's not a necessity for them to be a fan, but I don't think it's a turn off to have a fan. Yes.

It's nice. You have common interests. Yeah, yourself. Yeah. My favorite interests. Andrea is staying at my house right now, my apartment. And she is, if you know her, very type A. What? And she loves to control all the controllables. Oh, I know.

And so we told her, hey, do you want to come on our podcast? You know, we play games and stuff. So she shows up today and she's like, okay, so I have a game. I set up a game. I love that. Here's the plan. And I'm like, OK, so, you know, this is like our pocket.

We have the games we appreciate it. And then you play them. But because Andrea created this game, we're going to play it. Andrea wrote the prompts for it. And Kelly is going to be the one to play. Andrea, do you want to explain your game? I will say, OK, I think in work situations, which this is maybe akin to that, I can be type A. I would say socially, I'm very chill.

Yes, but you are something about anything work related. I am so you're right. I am that way. And I love that. I got to I got to go to Cabo with you and your sister when you were filming that design design network show. And it was really, really interesting because I am somebody who, like, obviously, you know, just kind of like shoots from the hip. Yeah, I don't have a lot of a fan. Friends, but yes, I'm just kind of I mean, you've done this enough with me now

to know that I just kind of meander through it and hope something works. But like the way that you were practicing, reading your lines, prepping for it, like how you were going to enunciate things, checking to make sure that you pronounced everything correctly. It was so detailed. And I was like, wow, this is a professional at work.

Yeah. And like, I think when you were coming out to this podcast, you wanted to bring that here and just. This is it. I just wanted to make sure it was a game I liked. Gotta control all the variables. I think, okay, I'm an ideas person. So I know that it wasn't my job to bring a game,

but I'm like, oh, this is fun. What's a game we could do? Anyway, so this is the game I came up with. Well, thank you, Andrea. So it's called Tribal Confessions. And so Michelle and I put some tribal confessions, things that happened on Survivor that didn't make the error. And they're true.

And they're all in there with Michelle's handwriting, so you won't be able to tell whose is whose. So you're going to read it out loud and you're going to guess whose tribal confession that was. Okay. I'm very excited to see these. Okay, here we go. We'll start with this one. On the show, a doctor checked my asshole for infection.

The first one was us. Starting strong. Starting strong. You guys are giving me nothing. I don't wanna, I feel like it's you. It wasn't me. Really? It was me. What happened to you? OK, listen, let me tell you.

Were you like paranoid and like thought something was wrong? Yes, because here's the thing. Co-wrong, everybody was getting infection. Oh, that's true. You guys and have. Yeah, everybody had staph infection. And one day I had a situation. You know, the, the honestly, the coconuts went through me and probably it happens to the best of us.

It probably was just a spicy, spicy, spicy situation. But then I started to get real paranoid. And I was like, oh my God, I probably have staph infection in my butt. So I can really bent over, spread my cheeks and had Dr. Joe. In the tent. And had Dr. Joe look at my ass crack.

And he's like, all good. I was like. So glad we did this. By the way, when I saw Dr. Joe, that was like probably the most starstruck I was. I was more, sorry, Jeff, more excited to see Dr. Joe than Jeff as a medical professional.

Yeah, me. I was like, you are a sorry Jeff, more excited to see Dr. Joe than Jeff as a medical professional. Yeah. I was like, you are a living legend, but yours that season actually legitimate concern that's I had a chat with him about this. They were like, that was the like Cambodia and like Vietnam, like the most risky place they ever did it because the infection risk is so high. Did he tell you that he looked into my soul from the other side? He did actually. Yeah.

That was how we bonded. Yeah. That was me bonded. Wow. I only picked you, Andrew, because you were looking at me so like. You look a little guilty. I guess I'm wrong. OK. Great. This is fun. Wow. What a great one to start off with. OK. Visited the survivor island I played on a year before playing. Man, this is how am I supposed to get these right? I'm going to get them wrong.

You like to travel a lot and you were in Thailand or something before. It was you. It was. Look, I'm learning about you. But I was with Troisanne and Ty. They Fiji Air gave them free tickets and a free plus one. It was back in the day, Fiji Air used to like sponsor. So they would have a year to use it. And they were all using it was like everybody was using their

their guest pass, their pass and their guest pass. They asked me to be their guest. So I went with them. So they visited the Fiji Island where you played in. Yes, but I had been. So they had like a local come take us there, drop us off. We like the Castaway Island. You know that one? That's where I lived.

I think we were on the same beach with the whole rock, the big rock. Yeah. Yeah. And a year later, I ended up on season 40 and I was back on that beach. I was like, I should have buried some shit. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's so cute. I love that. That was a nice one. This one is really long So I wanted oh my god, I look at this quickly and I thought it said pregnant and I was like I don't think I want to read this

Anyway, I have a story about that. No, I'm just kidding For pregame photos, I didn't want to do a swimsuit photo But they made me so I befriended the assistant photographer and asked him to crop the photo. They ended up using This is some aid to your social game on the social game podcast. I love that. I feel like. I don't know all your photos. I feel like I've seen you in a bikini in a photo. Is this you? It is me.

Which, honestly, that was kind of sad. That is a little sad. OK, now they now they don't want us to do that. They don't wear a bikini. I definitely, we already talked about this. I had major body image issues, truly eating disorders for years and years and years. So I didn't want to be, you know, those press photos.

I didn't want to be in a bikini. It's just so scary. Also, I don't know. I hated my press photos so much. No one ever likes them. And that's going to be the image that pops up. It's just so scary also because I don't know, I hate my press photos so much. No one ever likes them. And that's going to be the image that everyone sees. When they Google you for the rest of your life is what I was thinking. So my third season, I just said, they said, okay, now the bikini picture.

And I said, oh, can I just wear this tank top? And they said, nope. So they made me do a bikini photo. I was really insecure about my body at the time because of all the commentary on it. Of course, yeah. And then what I did was I truly, yeah, top tier social networking. I was like the assistant photographer. I was like, oh, cool. I'm getting into photography too, exchange numbers. That's how you do it.

Common interests. And then I messaged him, I emailed him before the pictures came out and I said, can I just see the photo? And then he sent them to me and I hate, it was bad in my opinion, right? It's, you know, looking bad. But I said, oh, I actually really don't like the photo. Could you just crop it? So it was just maybe a little bit like, yeah, he cropped it.

Wow. Hell yeah. It's, saying all that does sound, I feel sad for that version of Andrea that I was insecure, but I think that that's what was, you know, they do not want you to do that. My entire 20s, when I had all those body image issues on, you know, and then knowing that I was on social media, I did what I had to do.

Yeah. Yeah. Do what you do. I respect the hustle. I really have to be. It's a different time now. But now they were like, oh, back in our day, they they wanted us. I was told several times, hey, can you do this confessional in a bikini? Because I would walk around not in a bikini. I just in my clothes and like, can you do this confessional in a bikini? Because I would walk around not in a bikini, I'd just in my clothes and they're like, can you do this one in your bikini?

It would like make me cover up. Like I find in my sports bra and they would make me wear my buff during challenges and stuff, even when I didn't want to. Yeah, things have changed. Yeah, let me tell you that that is top tier social game. I have the opposite in the challenge. The photographer that was taking our photos,

I was like, oh, like, he was taking our photos and I was like, oh, like, he was taking our photos. And I was like, oh, did you do last seasons? He was like, no, no, no, I didn't. I was like, oh yeah, my photos are always terrible. Two seasons ago, my photos were absolute garbage. And he was like, well, I did those. And I was like, I am just gonna go fuck myself. I have had the worst cast photos.

And I think I did not make a friend that day. You see the exact opposite of what Andrea did. Yeah, yeah. I was like, as he's taking my photos, he's like, and he like from then on started coming from below. I was like, I have more of those. That's not my angle. Okay, anyway, befriend your photographers. Okay, let's see. OK, anyway, befriending photographers.

OK, let's see. Hit from the cameras during a meltdown for about an hour. That could be either of us, really. Yeah. I don't. I know you're the Michelle down. It makes me think it's you. I don't know if you would hide from the camera. I think you would just let it rock. You really stare into my soul, Andrea. I'm just looking at you.

I'm just looking at you. Where else am I supposed to look? I don't know. You can always look at me. I'm available. She's stockable. I'm available. I love being looked at.

Okay, I'm on like a hot streak now, but I'm going to go Andrea. It was me. Yeah. Basically, on my third season, I I went. Not that I'm happy you had a meltdown. I'm just happy I got it right. No, I went probably I probably went 20 days without opening a coconut. I just felt like on my third season, my first season, I was like, I'm a hard worker. I'm going to do all this stuff. Then you realize that doesn't really help you in the game.

No, no one gives no one cares. So it was annoying. I didn't even open a coconut for 20 days on my third season. And then we were at this beach. There was nothing going on that day. And I was trying to open up this coconut. And as soon as you start doing something, the camera's coming. And I couldn't do it.

And I couldn't get through when I was just getting really embarrassed. I was melting down just in general. My mental health was just really bad on that season. And so I would stop because I wanted them to go away. And then I would try to do it again. And then they would zoom in. And then I just lost it. I went sprinting into the jungle.

And the camera people went running after me. And then I was hiding. I was hiding in the weeds, looking out. And I saw the camera people looking for me and go, where did she go? Where did she go? And I was crying. And I just remember thinking, I'm going to get kicked off this show.

I was losing it. And then I finally came out maybe an hour later and everyone thought I was looking for an idol. Oh yeah. No, that sucks. And really I just had been losing my mind. Oh my God, that's really sad. I did hide one time.

I don't think I hid, but I wanna bring this up because it is an iconic moment. I had a mental breakdown season 32. I forget, I performed really bad in a challenge when we had moved over to the Brain Tribe. And so I went out into the ocean in Cambodia. I think I remember this. And I went so far out because I just,

so I just wanted to go underwater. And it's like the shallowest of all shallow water forever. So I had to walk like a mile out to just get underwater. And Debbie's in the water, like kind of by everybody by the shelter kind of floating. She's like, you guys better keep an eye on her. She's probably gonna go drown herself. And then Sydney goes, damn, Debbie.

And it was like, at that time, like a trending meme. Damn, Debbie. Damn, Debbie. Damn, Daniel. Fucking damn, Debbie was the first one. Yeah, it. Fuck it. Damn, Debbie was the first one. Yeah, it was the origin. I do actually now that you describe that, I like vaguely remember that. Yes, it was like so far out.

I remember that scene. Isn't there like a meme that's like a guy standing in the middle of the water, like looking really sad? Like that was you. That was me. It was a tough guy. It's easy to break down. Breakdowns are normal. Yeah, of course. OK. Breakdowns are normal. Yeah, of course.

OK. This is a little guy. Dated a dream teamer. Oh, that's fun. See, this is hard. Now, I really don't know between you two. Really? It's you? You just get. Well, now you're making me think you're like double crossing me.

Well, I'm not attempting anything. You're not attempting anything. I mean, my natural inclination would be Michelle. No, it was her. I was like, hello. We've been talking about her dating history. Oh, well, that's why you just threw me off. Because I was like, well, now I feel like I could.

There's not really there's not really much of a story to it. I had gone out and did interviews for a season with CBS. And I think that's how I met him. And it wasn't the dream teamer when you were on. No. Well, he was. But we didn't meet until the season after. Yeah. So it wasn't it's not that scandal. But like, who was he impersonating?

Oh, yeah. Who was he? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was standing for. Yeah. OK. I'm curious about that. We got to figure that out off screen. OK. These are great for. Yeah. OK, I'm curious about that. We have to do that off screen. OK, these are great guys. OK. Glimpsed seating chart at reunion and told whole cast who sat at first winner seat.

What? What does that mean? Oh. Do you know what it means? So I saw you talking about a survivor reunion? Well, I guess it's me, right? Yeah. Okay, but I forgot that you guys don't have live reunions anymore. No. Okay.

So when you walk into live reunion, they have, so they put people's names on seats, right? And so they had the camera set up, we're in the green room, and you could see Aubrey's name on seat one. Seat one is the winner's seat. And so I was second seat, Ty was third seat, or whatever it was. And so I proceeded to have a mental breakdown

because for a year I'd been bragging that I won. And I locked myself in the bathroom and there was no service. I'm trying to call my sister, I'm trying to call my mom. I'm crying, Julia's trying to talk me off a ledge. I told everybody, I'm like Aubrey won. Guys, I saw the seating chart and her name was first. They were fucking, they were just,

had stand-ins for who it was. So like I spread this whole rumor that Aubrey won. And then like moments before it's being filmed and everything. Oh, my God. I wrapped myself. This is crazy. I wrapped myself into a fucking pretzel, stressed out. I was like shaking hyperventilating. I mean, no, no, that's terrible.

It was terrible. And then I spread this entire rumor that she won. And then I went out and I was like, sorry about that, guys. Anyway, I won. Anyway, I'm just going to go take my million. Get out of here. Oh my God. That's literally crazy.

I think this is why we're such good friends, is we have similar type of. There's a whole there was a whole discourse on like where you sit at, like where they put you in the final tribal recently. I saw this on like Twitter or something of like, the person who's going to win is like always in the middle or who that production thinks is going to win is always sitting in the middle of the interrogation thing.

Really? Except for one time, which was Gable or which people were using to affirm their suspicions. Tony was left. Also, maybe he just knew it. I think Tony was left, yeah. Sure, I don't know. Debunked. I think we was left, yeah. I'm sure. I don't know.

Debunked. I think we've really about covered it. Yeah. We talked about escalators and body image. Well, all of them are pretty unhinged. We're all pretty unhinged. This was a little more though. This was good, but we like unhinged.

Was it me? I think you two are unhinged. Oh, well. We are. We're unhinged. Well, we don't need to have a battle about who's the most unhinged. Was it me? No, I think you two are unhinged. Oh, well. We're unhinged. Well, we don't need to have a battle about who's the most unhinged. Who's more hinged? Yeah, but we still have like a reputation up hold here.

What's the reputation? Well, actually, I don't know. And I don't want to know. Tell us in the comments. Okay, well, honestly, it has been an honor. We're gonna turn this off and me and you are gonna do this for another like seven hours.

Yeah. So, let's wrap this thing up. Listen, it's been great. Thank you so much, Andrea. You were unhinged and fun. It has been real, potentially a little bit too real. Too real. But be sure to subscribe to us on Apple, Spotify,

wherever you are absorbing this amazing content. And we look forward to seeing you next week. Bye.