RHAP: We Know Survivor - The Survivor 47 Cast Talks Genevieve Mushaluk | The Survivor 50 Files

Episode Date: July 8, 2025

The Survivor 50 Files brings together the cast of Survivor 47 to dissect Genevieve's gameplay and speculate on her chances in the upcoming all-star season. Brandon Donlon hosts a reunion of Survivor 47 players, including Teeny, Sol, Caroline, Gabe, Rachel, Sam, and Andy, along with Genevieve's husband Mark, to explore the complexities of her strategic approach and personal impact on the game.

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I am so excited, Brandon. Regardless of Survivor 50, I would be so happy to do a podcast all about Genevieve and singing her praises. So even better to talk about her on this season, representing us. And of course, to, you know, shoot the shit with you, dude. When you say us, Tini, it implies that more than just you is present with us on this podcast. But it's just you, I only see you.

Yeah, I don't know, I think I have a funny feeling. There's some angels and devils on my shoulder maybe who are going to be sneaking in. Would you consider this person to be an angel or a devil? Oh, we know how I feel about Sam. Oh, I didn't realize you were bringing me in. Well, not. I go, but how do you feel about Caroline?

That's an angel of five. Ever seen one. Wait, so was I an angel or a devil? Now you're an angel, Sam. We're matching, actually. Yeah, I'm trying to put it. I don't know who the devil would be. Can I put a devil on the board?

Yes, you just did. You know, I'm the devil put it, I don't know who the devil would be. Can I put a devil on the board? Yes, you just did. And then we've got this guy. My angel. There he is. And then we have actually Rachel is joining us. But actually, wait, that's Genevieve. I'm sorry. Is that Genevieve?

She's back. She's back. We have here our dear friend who I think is. Can we do like the Brady Bunch guys? Can we like look and wave? Yes, Dave has to be like the usher in that video from Jimmy Fallon where he thinks he's the middle and then he's not.

Hi Rachel. We've got one more. And for the first time in the Survivor 50 Files, and he's not. All right, Joel. We've got one more. And for the first time in the Survivor 55s, we're joined, and I'm gonna put him in the middle. We're joined by a loved one. It's Genevieve's husband, Mark. Mark Tallent. Woo!

Mark Tallent. Woo! I don't know what I'm doing here, guys. You're in the center. Don't make the big mistake, Brandon. None of us would be here without you. That's not true. It's true.

I want to start with you, Mark, as you are the only person now who's had a loved one go to Survivor, not once, but twice. What time is heavier for you? Is it the first time where there's the unknown of it all, or is it this time where the stakes seem to be a little higher? I, I think the first time was was heavier for sure. Like, it's just it's a little easier going through it this time knowing what she's doing. Like, I know the process. So I know like for those first however many days she said, Pondra's okay, I know the game started. Like, And then this one was a little easier too

because it was announced. So I can talk to my friends that you see here about what's going on and have some support rather than lying to everyone I know and telling them that she's on a five week work trip. So this one has definitely been easier in that sense. Brandon, if I may, I can't help myself. Can I ask Mark a question?

That's why, this is college discussion board, baby. We're all asking each other questions. That's what we're here for. Obviously, Mark, you're a massive fan of the show. Maybe even a bigger fan of the show than Genevieve is. What's the emotion of that? Cause the first time there must have been a whole lot of like, oh my God, my wife is about to go play Survivor

of which I'm a massive super fan. Do you have that overwhelming like fanboy spirit within you? Is it the same for different reasons because she's playing with all of these like Mount Rushmore level players or do you not have that as much because you already got that the first time? Like what's the fanboy in you feel?

I mean, the first time she played a promo came out with some guy saying he was going to be on the camera. No pun intended on that. I wasn't thinking about it. I promise. It's a little bit of both. It's a little bit of both. Like, yes, there's the appeal of like, wow, it's really cool that she's out there with Suri and Mike White and people like that. You know, season 49 male things of that nature. And also, like, it's never going to be the same as the first time and like knowing all of you guys now and not...

I'm wearing my Survivor 48 hat, but I do think that Survivor 47 is an all-time great season. And so, yes, it is cool, but I also think to me, not to be happy or whatever, but you guys are as cool as anyone. So like, you know, you can't really beat that. I feel like it would be the opposite. You realize how utterly lame gay bear cheese is.

And then all of a sudden, survivor players are just like everybody else. You desensitized all of it. Tell me, Mark, what is this group in particular done to like, help in quotes, help you the last couple of weeks as Genevieve's been gone? What is bouncing ideas off them look like? What is just the camaraderie of knowing the experience look like? But how have they helped you? I think they all have a perspective on it that like basically no one else does, right?

So when I'm freaking out about what could be going on out there, they all know what's going on out there and they can, they have a, you know, a different perspective. Like it's very different than the first time I would call Genevieve's mom and we would just sort of both like blindly lead each other down dark, like we're not available. This is a much more comforting and positive experience with these folks. We have started every episode of the Survive 50 Files.

I've been asking the guests their first impression of the person that we're talking about. So I'm opening it up to the room. What was, if anybody has a Genevieve first impression from that pregame, even the first couple days you're figuring out each other's colors or what have you. What was Genevieve like in the pregame portion of Soraya Precept? She was water coloring. I remember wondering, I was like, oh, is she, because I'm a designer, I was like, is she an artist? Like, what is you know, because she was just sitting. She's not ever

I was gonna say she's so quiet. Everyone was quiet. She was very like, I felt like she kept herself and I sat very far away from her. So my thing was always kind of like, when I get up to go to the bathroom, I would like see what Genevieve was doing, GM was doing and I felt like she was always like doing something crafty. Yeah, for me, I was sitting very, very close to her. And when I went back and read my pregame journal, I remember one of the first things I wrote was like,

there's a girl, a very pretty brunette woman sitting nearby me. And just something about her tells me that she's going to be really frickin good at this game. And I'm just so curious to know what she's thinking by just the way that she's looking around here. But somewhere in the course of those five days, I was very disarmed by the water coloring. I remember I have a later note being like, I think she's an art teacher. She would constantly be like kind of walking around. She would be very friendly and interacting with the handlers with us. And so somewhere along the way, I thought she was like, you know, this kind of like

friendly disarming person. And that really had my guard down to go into the game. And ultimately, I should have listened to my first instinct, which is that she is going to be really good at this, which she was. It's funny you bring that up, Brandon, because when I was caught off guard with the fact that I was brought into this podcast, sort of unceremoniously, I was actually looking in my pregame journal at what I wrote about Genevieve. It was the first time I've actually never looked back at this section of my journal, but what I wrote very on brand as well as I said, there is another girl that gave off great energy. We made solid eye contact even though we sit on the opposite sides of the dock. Big all caps smile on her.

I think she could be the best ally for me if we start same tribe. Social Shield seems assertive strategically dangerous, but I'd love to get to be her right hand and vote her out later. So that was my first impression of Genevieve on the dock. Big smile is the first thing you notice. And I think that and I will say to what Rachel and Tini both said, the water coloring. I feel like is something everybody noticed. The first thing Genevieve said on our map chat at the marooning

was that she's got colored pencils and labels and is organized. And I think everybody sort of went, yeah, that checks out. You were sort of like paint by numbers on the top of the bowl. I think she said, I'm the kind of person that has good pens. Good pens, yeah. The good gel pens and yeah, exactly. That was my first real impression of her because at the marooning, she talked about her job,

which was not a lawyer. She lied about being a lawyer and she went into great detail about her job responsibilities for like a completely fake job. You remember what she said? It was like very, I don't, it was like a 45 seconds feel of like what her job entails and everything like that. Mark should know, I feel like Mark was very keen at crafting that big story. The fake job was some sort of intellectual property, trademarks, portfolio.

When we lost the first challenge for the supplies, she told me we thought we were going to do sweat and savvy and she looked right at me and she was, let's do sweat and savvy. I want to be the first woman to win sweat. I'm sorry, not sweat and savvy, but to win sweat. So like, let's choose sweat. And she told me that she was a farm girl. Which was like like, hell, yeah, I love this girl. She's down to do sweat with me. Let's do this. Well, I've heard a rumor that her first audition tape was on a farm.

That was like her fourth audition. Oh, that was right in the middle. Can I clarify? How many times did she do the farm girl audition tape before you said, Genevieve? I don't know if this is the I don't know if this thing. Maybe we need to drop this drop this angle. To what extent, Mark, is she a farm girl? How accurate is that?

She is she is of farm people. She comes from farm people. She herself. Is a farm person. Has she ever done farm work? Has she ever ridden a horse? Like anything farm adjacent? She grew up going to her grandparents farm. Okay.

She never lived on a farm. She has had horrible luck riding horses. So I'm not sure. It's not farm girl energy whatsoever. Yes. But it's interesting, everybody got such great energy. And I'm trying to maybe the big smile Sam notes is like, what made that happen? But is there anything you can pinpoint to just giving somebody like if you're going

to season 51 and you're listening to this, like what in the pregame gives you Genevieve energy? I think for me, the first thing that sticks out with Genevieve is sort of like an inner peace that is not spoken. She just carries herself with a calm, quiet confidence that you look at her and think, that is a peaceful woman. That is somebody that I want to trust, to confide in,

to talk to, to get to know. And it's hard to sort of describe that aura, but even sitting on a Ponderosa deck, using watercolors and painting, I feel like everybody that walked by her sort of felt that way. Yeah, that's a great way to put it, because pregame is so weird,

because everybody kind of handles it differently. And I would say the majority of people are very antsy and pretty uncomfortable. And for, you know, a multitude of different reasons. And every time I walked past Genevieve, I was like, she's solid. Like she looks like she is in her living room right now. Every time I walk past her. Um, and that was something on top of also being the only other G on our tribe or on our season. Like really had me hoping that I was going to be on a tribe with her, but it was also very intimidating.

Because it was like, why aren't you kind of freaking out right now? Like I can look at most people here and people are either antsy or people are like, you know, trying to kind of bend the rules or talk to the producers too much or like whisper with people. And I was like, you're not doing any of that. You're kind of acting like you've been here before and obviously you haven't. And that was both intimidating and attractive to me as a potential Alliance member. It was, it was weird. She was a hard person to kind of decode and pregame. Rob here. It's big brother season. And you ever noticed the start of decode in pregame. Rob here, it's Big Brother season. And you ever notice the start of the Big Brother season? How fast the house turns into a literal disaster by week two.

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for the first half of the game, was that, did that spirit of being calm, like did that carry through that entire pre-merge or did you see bits and pieces of something that was not that? Okay, this is interesting because she really struggled the first couple of days. She was very sick, like just having like, you know, a lot of like physical adjustment issues into like living outside and like not eating and all of that stuff. And she constantly was apologizing and being like, I'm so sorry guys,

like I'm not usually like this, like I'm just really not feeling so well. And I would be like, Genevieve, like I would literally never know that. Like I would have no idea that you were having stomach pain or any of this unless you were apologizing because she kept it together so well. And even like, yeah, I don't know,

there was just a steadiness to her. And but I also do think that like, she is a self-deprecating person, like she has a self-deprecating sense of humor. And so it's not like she has this like, untouchable confidence, which like there is, but it's also like, you just feel safe and natural around her. Or at least that's what my experience was. I just felt very drawn to her. I felt like whenever me and her were at camp, it was better. It was just like more fun.

And yeah, she would say that she struggled really hard and probably that she didn't play the first few days so well, but I would completely disagree. What do you think, Saul? Yeah, I don't even, I remember her saying how sick she was and then listening to like her post-game interviews, how bad it was. It did not even cross my mind that she was feeling in a bad way until it was said by her.

The two things for me, I didn't get the relationships that like everyone else had with Genevieve. The two things that pop up in my head are her saying that Sam and TK know each other and how adamant that she believed that. And then the other thing too was that Asia, Asia came back from the reward with no tools, but she is convinced that Asia has some type of advantage. And for me, that was like, girl, no, that ain't, that's not true. I remember just going flat out, Genevieve, you are wrong.

That is not the case. Have you ever seen Survivor? And, uh, so we, we didn't get started off on the rights on the right foot early on. Can I circle back Sam and TK? You guys, you don't know each other. Sam, you know, no, we didn't. Uh,K had an NFL PA, NFL Players Association notebook that he was writing in, you know, around Ponderosa. He kind of talked about how he works with professional athletes. And, you know, of course, you never know a young guy like TK that's in good shape. Like, is he an NFL player? Right. And I, you know, had my whole match at talking about working in the NFL as well. So there was a line to draw there.

But I do think Saul's story, it actually does show a side of Genevieve that exists in the game, which is sort of this almost neurotic pessimism that exists at all times. And because of that, sometimes she goes down rabbit holes that she has no business going down. But also because of that, you are never going to get anything by her because she kind of assumes the worst at all times. Teeny, I see you having a reaction. Can you talk through that in your experience? I mean, he just put it so brilliantly. First of all, yeah, the TK and Sam thing was hilarious because it wasn't just about the pregame stuff.

She was like the second that Sam said NFL on the match chat. He looked directly at TK and they made eye contact. So like she's always she's always reasoning out all of her neurotic pessimism as well in a way that like makes you think that it's true. And even like, I mean, we're jumping ahead here, but for me, when she voted Saul out, I was sitting there saying to her, what are you doing, dude? Why would you not include me on this? I've been with you. We wanted to work with you. And she brings up something that happened on, I think, day two where Kishan had came

and told her about something that Saul had said that she said or something, and I didn't come to her and tell her, which like at the time was so not a calculated choice on my behalf. Like I wasn't purposely omitting information, but like that stuck with her so deeply that like all the way up to the Saul vote, she knew that she couldn't trust me to this extent. And that's why she didn't include me. And that's why she needed to take Sol out because she thought I was like more with him than her.

And so, yeah, she just has a mental list and file folders of lists in her head at all times. And it's so impressive and it's so exciting to see. But like Sam said, it's also it does, I think, hold her up in a way because she plays from a perspective like we talked about, like she thinks everyone is lying to her And that people are their schemes going on. She thought that everybody in the game had the red paint idol She would look at me and say you know

I know you have the red paint idol and I'd be like Genevieve like if I did I wish I could keep it from you But I probably wouldn't and you would know and it's just like this constant. I mean neurotic pessimism is just like What so good. It's really smart. And I think part of that too... Oh, sorry, Gag, go ahead, buddy. I think part of that too is she's always assuming that everybody out there is the best player out there, regardless of who you are. So like Genevieve is not one to underestimate anybody.

And I think that more often than not, that breaks in a good way for her because she's never assuming that someone is incapable about playing her. She's never assuming that someone's incapable of throwing a wrench into her plans. Now does that lead to her overestimating people at times? Like Teenie said, thinking it was a calculated move to not share information with her early in the game. And in reality, Teenie, for whatever reason, not a strategic reason, decided not to do that. But I think that if I were giving somebody advice

to go play Survivor, I would say lean into the overestimation and not the underestimation. Because often people are constantly trying to hide how good they are, how much they know, how capable they are. And if you just assume everybody is Sandra and Tony and whatever, you're probably going to make it deeper into the game than somebody that walks around with a crown on their head being like, they're all idiots and they're just, you know, this is my convoy to the finale.

And that's something that I struggled with a lot of me personally. I got really high on my horse towards the end of my time out there. And I was like, OK, like these four people are just cannon fodder. Like they're laying out the red carpet for me and my people to get all the way to the end. You know, and early in the game, I was operating the complete opposite. And I think most people fall into that trap or you get comfortable and you have a few votes go your way. You find a couple of idols and you play them or you win a few challenges.

And Genevieve never let herself, you know, inflate her head big despite having a lot of success throughout the game. She was always operating as like I'm on my last thread here. I got to do everything and anything to make something good happen. And I, you know, it's fascinating because it's so difficult and it kind of goes back to just being like solid in pregame of like my head is going to stay in the same place that I needed to stay from pregame all the way to the end or however far I make it. And it's it's something that like is immensely difficult to do. Well, funny enough that exact mindset that made Genevieve so powerful out there. I have to give Mark credit because I actually think he had a major

influence there. Genevieve later told me that Mark gave her wonderful advice before she went on the island and it was that everyone is there for a reason. If you don't know why someone is out there, you don't know what that reason is and they're dangerous. I'm just roughly paraphrasing, but I actually think that that is the absolute best advice I've ever heard a loved one give a player. So Mark, you shout out to you. We're exactly right. What Jake, like Gabe is describing why it's so easy to underestimate people is because

you don't see their spark. You don't see what they're talking about in confessionals. You don't see what they're cooking and it's easy to just assume it's not there. So I think Genevieve really had that mindset during her entire game, which is I don't see what someone's up to right now. There is sneaky threat and I know how dangerous it is and I need to get them out. So, locker room for that goes to Mark. Yeah, she was also like, she's not someone that I pegged to be a super fan for much of the game, but on like day 21, we were in the hammock talking strategy. And all of a sudden

she namedrops the threats, the nothings and the losers. This is like deep R H A P lore. I'm like, what the heck? Where did that come from? Definitely from Mark, I would say. But I mean, yeah, she's I find her so unique as a survivor strategist. I think she's so interesting because I was trying to think about who she might want to work with on 50, who she might want to target. I have some guesses, but I think one of her advantages is that I think that she's such a sharp observationalist and such a unique perspective that it's hard to predict who she's going to feel good about and who she's not going to feel good about.

And so it just moves in an unpredictable way that works to her advantage, I think. So the, it was when Kyle, Sam and Rachel all went on the reward before leading up to me going out. And this is in the episode too. You can go watch this, my boot episode. We're all hanging out around the fire and Genevieve is saying nothing this entire time. We're around the fire for like an hour and a half, two hours just chatting and talking about the game, talking about like whatever. And I say, and this is the part that makes the episode,

I get kind of worried about Kyle sometimes. And after like 90 minutes of being silent, Genevieve picks her head up out of the shelter and goes, why? And right there, I like stop myself. And I just like say like some mumbled bullshit of just like, oh, well, you know, we've been together and maybe he's lying to me, blah, blah, blah. But it was like where it clicked for me who Genevieve really was. And I was like, she's been listening this entire time. She wasn't sleeping.

She wasn't spacing out. Like she's been dialed into this conversation and it was just a bunch of bullshit for 90 minutes and as soon as something interesting that could actually help her game came up, she like woke up and like her eyes went red and was like, why do you say that? And I was like, oh my God, like that was the first moment

that I really noticed who Genevieve was in this game. And then she got me out the very next night. So kudos to her on that front but it was fascinating go ahead that was my uh like attempt at anti-genovieve propaganda in the game was every time you talk to her you don't give her she doesn't give you anything and you give her information and like i was constantly saying that to anyone that would listen because i was just like this girl like the first time jennabeieve and I had tried to have a strategy conversation, we just danced around each other the whole time.

That was why I was immediately like, this is not gonna work. And then, I am allies with Saul and I'm like, what do you think about her? Don't trust her. I'm like, okay. So I just feel like that was so noticeable to me that she was always listening.

She was always standing there, she's always present. She was in so many conversations and yet nobody knew shit about Genevieve. Like nobody, like, you know, I mean, I don't know if this is a good time to go down the path of like the conspiracy theories that we had out there about Genevieve, but she gave us so little, not just in the game, but in her personal life, that there were a handful of us that were very convinced that Mark

or one of her parents was very ill at home. Does Caroline, I feel like you want to take a little bit? Yes, yes, I'm happy to elaborate on this. And so for a little bit of context, Genevieve was just so infamous out there for like not giving you anything, being really like just such a closed book. But I thought that I cracked Genevieve. I thought I had her figured out. So there was a moment where Genevieve and I did end up developing

like what I thought was a little bit of a personal connection where, you know, we actually got like a little bit deep isish, as deep as you can get with the game Terminator Genevieve. And it was when we were in Mergetori. I want to say it was, let's see, it was the day before Rome left. I think that's like day 11-ish. And that was the day where like I feel like on our tribe, it was just, it was a ceasefire. Everyone was getting to know each other. We were all meeting on like the tribe for the first time and Genevieve and I were

just talking a lot about you know like what our life was like back home I was opening up to her about like my family and talking to them a bit about like about them and Genevieve was starting to talk a little bit about her family but she had told me explicitly you know I'm really trying not to talk about them too much out here because like like, it makes me emotional to think about them to talk about them. And I was like, Oh, don't worry, I don't want to push you on this or anything. But no, it's hard. It's hard not knowing what's going on out there. She's like, Yes, like, I just don't know if everyone's doing okay out there. And it's

just so nerve wracking, like something could happen, and they wouldn't tell me necessarily. And then I'm thinking, Oh, no, something horrible is going on at home, like something could happen and they wouldn't tell me necessarily. And then I'm thinking, oh no, something horrible is going on at home. Like something like I think we can all tell that Genevieve was holding something back. We all knew that there was information being withheld. I thought what was being held like withheld was like Devis, like something really intense at home. It turns out it was her feelings. But I thought I want to hop in and give my POV on this

because obviously I spent the entire game with her. And you know, at various points, I'd be like, my God, like you're married. What's that like? I'd be like, are you in love with your husband? Like I would ask her all these questions. I would force him to walk. And she would really hold that, you know,

she'd have this line. And like, I truly just thought like, I didn't go down that rabbit hole myself. I was just like, all right, whatever. I can't like, you know, she'd have this line. And like, I truly just thought like I didn't go down that rabbit hole myself. I was just like, all right, whatever. I can't like, you know, I can't like gossip with her about Mark yet, but I will one day. But then Caroline, when she goes on the Loves One visit, is like starting to like sprinkle this and she's like she was going,

I think there's something wrong at home. I think that somebody is sick. And she was going, she was going, my fear is that she is going to get her letter and the power from the letter is going to horsepower her through the challenges and she is going to win out for the rest of the season. I'm sitting there in the shelter being like, oh my God, how did I miss this one? I was like, I was like, Caroline, you're right. I was like, and I've been here the whole time and I haven't figured it out. And I'm literally like looking at one of the producers

and then like, make sure you get this like we cracked the code. We know what you've been talking about this whole time. Um, and then at Ponderosa after I was voted out, like the day that I had there, I like pulled care, like pulled Genevieve aside for a moment and I was like, hey, like, I just wanna make sure like everything's okay, right? And she's like, what do you mean? Like financially, like what do you mean?

Like at home with your family. And she was like, Teenie, like everything could not be more fine. I am in like, everyone is happy and healthy and doing great. And so that is just, yeah, that just speaks to the level in which she did compartmentalize her emotions and her talking about home. What wasn't part of that too, that after she got back from

the loved ones letter, everyone was like, oh, she they have to be okay. That's like good news. So then so then at that tribal council, she goes, can I can I answer long on this? Jeff was like, how was getting your like loved ones? No. And she was like, this might be a long answer. Me and Caroline look at each other. We think the reveals about to happen. Caroline goes, did she tell you she was going to do?

She was first. Did she tell you she was going to do this? I'm like, no. And then she ends up just speaking about the dilemma of emotions, but yeah, that was that. How much of that, Mark, is Genevieve's personality outside of Survivor? Or did you have any insight into her not sharing explicitly about the family or you or what have you?

That wasn't pre-planned. I think that was something where like, Genevieve's personality is that she is all the way in on everything that she does. And that includes like emotionally. So, I mean, it was a very big part of her like story on the show, right, as she had to sort of separate her, her emotional self from like the part of her that was playing the game.

And I think introducing real emotional like stuff that she really felt made it harder for her to do that. So like the more she talked about me or her parents or her life at home, the more difficult it would be to then like turn around and lie right to Teeny's face. And she had to maintain the ability to lie right to Teeny's face, that was very important. So that, yeah, I mean, that's what it is. Like it's, she's, she has a very hard time pulling emotion out of things

unless she actively pulls it out. And I think we saw that breakthrough when we were at the sanctuary and she's got your note. And I think that was a big turning point. I think they portrayed that on the show. But just I mean from my experience with that like Genevieve is someone I've gotten to know a lot better this year and gotten closer to this year as opposed to like my experience with her out there and it's really cool to know the real Genevieve I feel like. Like I think the fans rightfully love her portrayal on the show but the real Genevieve is like even better, like way better. And I think the biggest thing about her is that she's got this big heart.

It's just like a big soft heart. Like if she does anything that affects someone she cares about, like it really affects her deeply. And so I think like she's not a naturally cutthroat person from what I can tell, but like yet so brilliant. I feel like that she figured out a way to be make herself cutthroat because she knew would be the best version of her game. And so this is what I'm thinking about, like as a returning player, I think it's a built-in

really cool storyline, but I'm like super curious to see how she calibrates that spectrum between Terminator and like Genevieve the friend. I think she has the potential to play a stellar game like on like both sides of the spectrum but I think I do think personally that like a returning player season is a pretty good environment for her to pull out the 007 kind of like two guns blazing but I think, you know, I think the best version will be like finding that balance. So we'll see.

I think Andy just hit the nail on the head with that because what we saw there with Genevieve, like she killed it on our season. She was phenomenal. And I feel like she was operating even with that at like a fraction of what she was capable of, because I think out there, it was so tough for her to emotionally be her full self,

while also lying, deceiving, voting out people that she cares about. So she really had to build up this very Terminator persona that stripped away a lot of her feelings. But here's the thing, she's a returning player now. And I think she's someone where I really think leading up to this event and leading up to the season, she's been mentally preparing for that. I think maybe it took her a little bit by surprise how tough that was when she was out

there. But now she's prepared to be like, you know what, I was able to form all these great friendships with people on my season, even after voting them out. Let's do the same with season 50. Let's vote on every single person. Make it to the end. I'll be friends with them after. I don't have to feel bad about it.

I don't have to feel guilt when I pull off a fantastic move and get them out. So I am so thrilled because like Andy and everyone else has alluded to on this podcast, like Jennifer is a gem of a human being, she's charismatic, she's charming, just getting to know her, you feel like honored to be like within her aura. And I think she's gonna bring that same energy to when she's meeting people. And I think it's something where I think she's gonna

really form strong relationships right off the bat when she's able to show that more of like who she is as a person, open up a little bit more, be a bit vulnerable with the things that she's comfortable being vulnerable with. And like Andy said, it makes it easier for her to pull off a little bit of like a double-oh-seven action. She can kind of pull off the facade of like,

oh yeah, like 47, I really had a hard time opening up. I'm opening up to you. Like we really have something going here. I think there's a lot of potential for her to act like these relationships are very new and novel and really important. In reality, I think she can actually really easily connect with people in her everyday life. So I'm so thrilled to see what she does out there. She's also so incognito online. I mean, Mark is the biggest online presence that Genevieve has. And I think that's going to help

her a ton because it's like people will actually have to get to know her like Caroline was saying. And I think that, you know, maybe in some instances that can break in a way where it actually hurts you or it's like, well, I don't know this person at all. Let's just get him out. So I don't have to deal with it. But I think Genevieve has this kind of mysterious and yet charismatic aura to her that it's like, I want to get to know this person. I want this person to like me. And I think that's a lot more enticing when it's you can't

just go on their Instagram and scroll through 100,000 survivor posts or go on their Twitter and see all their thoughts on everything. It's like, okay, this is kind of a big question mark out here on this island. Like maybe I can be the person, the first person to really connect with them and learn more about them and, you know, bring them in as my number one or one of my pieces that I'm trying to get further in the game. But the worst thing you can do with Genevieve, if you're trying to beat her eventually is to bring her in because she's

she's gonna put a knife in your back at some point, you know. So very selfishly, I eagerly await people to think they're working with Genevieve and to think they're working with Genevieve and think that they're kind of guiding Genevieve through the game and have that knife come out and, and get them right in the spine. Uh, and I think she's in a, the best position to pull off those kinds of moves out of anybody on Survivor 50. It's so many big personalities.

It's so many people that have put their personalities and thoughts on the game out there to the world via social media. And she has none of that. She is this blank slate for a lot of people. And maybe we can get into this later, but she's also out there by herself. She's the only 47 person out there. And correct me if I'm wrong, but it's just her and Jonathan are the two people from the new era who are by themselves.

Right? I think that's a huge advantage going in. I think, you know, as my friend Andy to my right here, love to say is, you know, she's going to be somebody who people are going to want to scoop up, not somebody that people are going to want to take out. And I can't say the same for the three 48ers. I can't say the same for the three people who are coming in from David versus Goliath. I think the 49 people are potentially gonna be at risk of that too. People are gonna look at Genevieve, no pun intended.

She's on an island out here by herself. Like let's give her a home. And especially for those early votes, that's gonna be a massive, massive advantage for her. Another, oh, go ahead, Rachel. I was just gonna say, I'm curious because I feel like a lot of us played against Genevieve in the game. And I feel like Sam has the unique perspective on 47 of being a very close ally to Genevieve.

And so is this the same perspective that you had or did you have a different one? Which which perspective? Like everything we've been talking about from her, like hiding things about herself, about kind of like, yeah. Well, her hiding things about herself story is is so funny to me. We actually talked about it during the game. I don't remember how it came across my desk, but at some point somebody said something to me. And maybe and as

teeny, as you will remember very well, there was a multiple day phase of the game where Genevieve and I were just kind of like giggly. We were just kind of giggling, laughing about everything. And that was like, Oh, did I tell you that they think Mark is sick? And I was and she goes, What? And I'm like, Oh, yeah, like nobody wants to sit with you at the end because everybody thinks there's something wrong at home. And she's like, No, life's pretty good. Like, I was like, All right, good to hear. And it was really endorsement. Yeah, well, yeah, she just was like, No, I'm just like, you know, living in a nice upper middle class life in Winnipeg with a husband that I love and two parents who taught who gave me a great

childhood and it was and I'm just like, yeah, that sounds awesome. And that's all it was. But it really is interesting when I hear other people talk about Genevieve as sort of this Terminator figure, because I never really saw her as a terminator figure. I don't know if I ever like, and I honestly didn't really pick up that other one. Lucky you, buddy. Saw Genevieve as a terminator figure. Yeah, genuinely lucky me. You know, it was, I don't know, she was just really like fun to play with.

She was very good at bouncing ideas off of. And it felt like I'm somebody with a very creative brain. I like to just like kind of get haywired with stuff and throw stuff at the wall. And anytime I would bring something to her, she would almost do the perfect improv of a yes and, and find a way to tweak it and make it better. And we'd go back and forth doing this nonstop. And I think the most valuable thing in Genevieve's tool bag is the power to get things done. When you talk about a new era survivor cast where everybody is a super fan, or even especially on a returning player season where all of these people have done well in the game before, they all know what they're doing.

Everybody knows that Suri is a massive threat on Survivor 50. You're not going to be the first person to think of, what if we all voted Suri out? That goes through everybody's mind. The person that wins that game, the person that really makes waves, and the person that Genevieve is, is the person that can get that done, can rally the votes to get people to do the thing that they don't even know why they're doing it. And I think that was the most powerful thing to a lot of people about Saul's vote out was people are

voting out Saul that why, why are they voting out Saul and it doesn't make sense how there's so many people on board, but that's the power that Genevieve has to take a plan and make it a thing. And all of those self-deprecating jokes and all of those comments, and it certainly makes her that much more endearing as she gets more vulnerable with you as well,

and makes her impossible to turn on to where you sit on the stairs and sob for an entire morning. Genevieve also has- She's got a lot of focus too. To your point, Sam, on my vote out, she tried to pitch Sue to pitch Sue that Gabe was going home. And she got Sue's reaction on like day two from how much she loved Gabe. And she's like, okay, you know, 16 days later, who can I use Sue who can I convince Sue to use to get Saul out? And it's like, oh, Gabe, and she's comparing everyone while we're playing the immunity challenge that you won, Gabe. You know, I'm on the bench watching the challenge.

I'm wondering who's gonna win. She's on the bench, looking at every single one of us, going like, okay, who should I take home next? And that's just like, she's so focused at all times. Prime Day is here. With great kitchen deals, greatness is a deal away. So if you love baking, you can get a deal on a new mixer, transforming you into the Lord of the Loaves.

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Watch out Brandon, he's going to sub tweet you if you keep this up. I'm okay. I have this. This is treating me great. You're really going to say that about T-Shaw. Very nice game. I'm wondering if anybody has a perspective on the personalities, not just in the way that you're talking about.

I'm wondering if anybody has a perspective on the personalities, not just in the way that you're talking about. I'm wondering if anybody has a perspective on the personalities, not just in the way that you're talking about. I'm wondering if anybody has a perspective on the personalities, not just in the way that you're talking about. I'm wondering if anybody has a perspective on the personalities, not just the person that we're referencing, Keyshawn, but any of the other people of like a specific person that Genevieve played with in season 47, how dealing with that person or working with that person would translate to playing with somebody or playing at large in season 50. Well, this is a huge character season.

I mean, like we have coach. It's kind of take your pick, right? We have. Yeah. I mean, like go down the line. And there is a massive character that is going to command screen time, air time and take the breath out of camp 24 seven. And what I think Genevieve showed on season 47 is one, patience to deal with it. And two, I think she values predictability. And one thing about big character tunnel visioned, high ego players is they're very, very, very predictable. So where everybody else looks at,

how can I make my life more convenient living at camp every day, she looks at how can I make my life more convenient strategically with my game positioning by using this person to my advantage. And to piggyback off of that, the other side of that coin is she was so adept at knowing when that had run its course. Like I think a lot of people who were in the mindset Sam was talking about would have been like, well, it's been working this long, so I need to keep sticking up for Keyshawn so that we can keep doing this, you know, and I can keep this shield around. But she at the perfect moment realized like I'm, you know, as she said in the show, I'm starting to make the case against myself by making the case for this person as my Alliance member.

And it's just like this read of the game. And like, that's why I always like to call her the Terminator. I think, you know, Saul does it, and this is true, because she has this stone cold gameplay about her. But like when Genevieve is on the island, I imagine behind her eyes is like data, like, brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr has that just doesn't go away no matter how homesick she is, no matter how tired she is, no matter how hungry she is. It's just like she's always dialed in and is so willing to make a move at a time that she believes is right. Not something that she really needs a lot of affirmation from other people that she's playing with. And it's masterful. It really is.

Yeah. And despite she had a quiet edit the first three episodes, but like she is not an under the radar player. In my opinion, I think she's a player that craves agency. I think that's something that she seeks that something that she, you know, really, really cares about. So she's someone who is not afraid to just completely shake up the status quo, do something big, do something for her to get on the better side of things. And I think that, I mean, 50, it's a big season, so many different personalities, so many different egos, 24 of them in a 26 day period of time.

I think that's going to serve her well. And, you know, it's like a weird question to figure out like the timing, like if she can get that right. But I think all else being equal, I would definitely say that's an advantage for her. The fact that she is someone who wants, you know, the ball in her hands and she wants things to like shake out the next round. That's, you know, like to her advantage. And I think that's a really key that's like that's an

attribute of a great survivor and so at the final seven tribal council is that she is going big big big and hoping and you know I think that she did that without hesitation pretty much the whole way I want to ask you Rachel what do you think that Genevieve is better at than any of the people that you played Survivor with? Maybe including yourself. Like, what is the skill that she has that is unreplicable between the 18 of you guys? I think that she has the ability to

convince you of things that aren't in your best interest. I think that, like, the fact that, you know, by final, by the time we vote, we not me, Caroline goes home. She is like, you know, she has poisoned the well against me to the point where by all accounts, she is the bigger threat and would have beat me at the end. And yet like I am the one that's perpetually being targeted for no real reason, like especially at that point.

Right. Like it just. To me, she always what? She just caught you. But I'm convinced everybody else, like she had this like big move that everyone had seen and I did not have a visible shiny thing that people could cling to and she was still managed to get people

to rally around her and work with her and see her perspective. And I just, I remember just being so frustrated at the fact that how did Teenie go back to to Genevieve? Like we had just talked about this the other night. We had this conversation where I was like, teeny, we don't have to vote Genevieve out now. But like, we need to do it. And you can't like you can't I just can't have you go back to her.

I said, I promise Rachel, I'll never go back. I'll never go back, Rachel, I promise. And then I looked at Sonya as the day we were going to vote her out. I said, I'm so sorry, I'm going back. Can you speak to that, Tini? What is that quality that is making you do such a thing? Yeah, I think it's like, so while Genevieve was very intentional and very

good at separating her own emotions from it, she also like does have a way of, I think, drawing out the emotions of other people because she is so, like there is just a miss to her. She is funny, she's someone who, she's such a good listener and I think that that is helpful in the game. And also in like a personal sense, like, I felt so close to her despite the amount of times that you know, moves that she made in the game were to my detriment or like in the dark. And it's because of all those moments that were outside of strategy, we were able to connect and although it wasn't about like, you know, maybe her personal life, she did such a good job of

taking a deep, deep interest in all of ours and being like a really good rock to me on a very personal level. And I also think, and I've owned this many times, like there was a super fan side of me that truly felt like so, like hard eyes for her in the game as a player. So all of that for me personally worked together

to just pull me in and also what Rachel was saying in that she was so incredibly persistent and convincing and was unique about her approach to everyone. And I think definitely understood her relationship with me and understood that I was an emotional player and did a really, really wonderful job of like working with that and playing to that and a moment where that happened actually was during the Operation Italy scheme when she revealed the idol to me we had had a really

emotional conversation that I deeply regret and embarrassed about to this day where I say she's threatening me for not guaranteeing me her her vote. I'm learning a lot. But later she reveals to me like the fake idol and I see it and I'm like questioning it and I'm going to we like split ways Andy and Sam go one way and me and Genevieve go the other and I'm like can you please take me right now to the beach where like you had the note like can you please please validate and prove this to me and she's like yes but like I like, would really like to get into that conversation we had this morning and talk about, you know, our relationship throughout this entire game. All of a sudden, I didn't care about the note anymore. And we're like having this conversation. So, you know, she does know how to work with every person on an individual level, which, you know, is credit to her emotional intelligence, her deep, deep, deep emotional

intelligence and, um, Karen, making me feel like safe and cared for while also, you know, being blindsided by her many, many times, which was why I continued to go back. Sorry, Rachel. And so for, for my vote out, like, I think that, you know, regardless of how meaningful it would have been in the end, somebody that me and Genevieve were both kind of fighting for in that vote was, was Teenie. And I think that a being with Teenie from the beginning and just understanding Teenie as a person much deeper than I did at the time, but also to everything that he was just saying about, you know, this deep emotional intelligence that

she has Genevieve because after the Saul vote, me and Genevieve did the same thing to Teenie. We both lied directly to his face about who was going home and Teenie asked both of us, or at least asked me, is it going to be Saul? I was like, I don't know. Who told you it was going to be Saul? I didn't know that. And the next day, well, not even the next day, immediately after tribal, the first thing Genevieve does after Saul goes home and we get back to camp is pulls teeny somewhere alone at the shelter. Teeny approaches me and is like, hey Gabe, so like about last night, and I cut Teeny off and I go, Teeny, we're past that. No one's talking about last night. What are you talking about?

What are we gonna do tonight? We're going to reward. Like, what are you, no one's worried about last night. And I walk away. And that to me was the moment that Teeny was like, this motherfucker's going home. Like, and you know, it's just this, you can see the light and the dark of how Genevieve knew the next move had to be,

Teeny needs to be in my corner going into this next boat because all eyes are gonna be on me because I just made the biggest move of the entire game getting Saul out. And for me, I was like, ah, Teeny doesn't even care. Like, you know, like that was whatever. Teeny, you know, was upset afterwards, but like we're all moving past it

because my impression at that point, and I, you know, my head was so big in the game at that point that I was like, everyone's treating this like I am. Everyone's here on a business trip, you know, and everyone will deal with the, you know, emotional strife of this afterwards. But somebody like Teeny, and it's not better or worse, it's just different was

like, no, I'm hurt now and I want to deal with this now. And for me to completely blow it off was just this like, okay, I'm never going to work with this guy. He thinks he already won the game. And for Genevieve, somebody who had already blindsided teeny and the pre-mergen had just done it again, was able to capture Teenie's soul once more because they had not only the emotional intelligence but the strategic and gameplay acumen to be like, this is what needs to happen.

I know what Teenie needs right now. And it's a conversation like this. And then, I would love to hear Teenie talk about the conversation they had after me and Teenie talked of Teenie being like, do you think I'm gonna vote you out? And I'll let you take it from there. I mean, that was just fun.

That was just me knowing that I did have a little bit of say in it and getting my look back because she had blindsided me and I wanted to dangle the carrot over her head. But her answer to it is fascinating. Oh, yeah. So I said, I walk up to her and she goes, it's me or Gabe tonight. And I was like, yep, it is.

And I said, do you think to her and she goes, it's me or Gabe tonight. And I was like, yep, it is. And I said, do you think I'm going to vote you out? And then she goes, I think you're pissed at me, but I don't think that you're going to do that. And I was like, I was like, damn it, like she's got me. Yeah. I want to hear it. I share a quick story about Genevieve real quick, please. So we're all in Philly. We're all of us on this zoom, except for you, Brandon.

We're all in Philly. We're at the Phillies baseball stadium and we go to their club. I forgot what it live. Philadelphia. What is called? Xfinity live. Okay. There's a bull in the center of this club. There's hundreds of people,

standing room only. But then there's this one section that says reserved and it's the VIP booth. Okay, we can't tell anyone we're on Survivor. And I'm like, I wish I could sit up there. We're all kind of like our mouths are dripping like we could sit at you know be cool the cool kids at the VIP table and next thing you know, Jenna we've watched right next to me and she goes I want to sit up there and just bolts. Gabe standing right next to me I go oh dude it's about to be on we are definitely gonna go sit up there. Next thing you know the manager is I got the flashlights on get the hell out of the way people. Here comes survivor 47. And we're at the club or at the VIP section of this club in five minutes. And that's, that's

Genevieve for you. Like she, to Sam's point, she's, she's making shit happen. Whatever she wants to do, she makes it happen. Use her emotional intelligence to get this manager to say, okay guys, go ahead and go up there. It was, uh, it sums it up for me. Sol goes, I've seen that look in her eyes before in 10 minutes, we're all going to be sitting up there and five minutes later we're being escorted over to the VIP section at Xfinity Live. And she didn't even know that we were from Survivor. She didn't even know. Yeah. Yeah. It's so funny, Sol, that you say that because I was going to ask Andy, if just like Andy, you had mentioned in the beginning of the podcast that you and Genevieve have grown closer over the last year, which is not at survivor stuff. You know, you haven't played survivor in the last year. So what is getting closer with Genevieve in the real time look like for you? Yeah, that's a good question. I think to start, I could talk about more of my experience with her on the island because.

question. I think to start, I could talk about more of my experience with her on the island because everyone, everything that everyone is saying is totally right. And like she is an amazing player, she has all these amazing sides to her. But like, I feel like it was so fascinating playing with her because like it wasn't all perfect. Like the whole time, it was someone who was really navigating things on the fly in terms of how emotional she's willing to be, what her like, how much she's willing to invest in this person or that person. And I think that I think that she was ruthless in a bit. And I love that. I love this game players. But like, I think when I think about that, maybe Saul can agree, maybe other people like I think that. What do we get? Where do we get the idea that Genevieve played the game Ruthless? I want

to push back. Let me talk about my experience. I feel, and what I want to preface saying that we're super close now, and like this is, like everything is great, and I want to talk about myself getting closer to her, but I didn't feel that out there. I didn't like have these warm fuzzy feelings for Genevieve. I looked at her as an ally, and then we diverged. And I think that my personal opinion,

she struggled with doing damage control. And now she did a lot of damage control, but I feel like the way that she played, which was making shit happen and making things in her favor, I think there was a time in the game where my just speaking for myself, like I had negative feelings like about how she handled things and that was that could that was like a two-way street like it could have been just me like not being able to handle that as well but I I think that anyway that was my experience with her out there that's what I want to say getting to know her in real life I mean I look at her as like, it's like two sides. Like there's the Terminator on the island and then like someone who's like almost diametrically the opposite in real life. And

I just going back to what I, how I explained her in real life, I just think that she is like a warm and crazy empathetic person who like put on, you know, an assassin's costume like and survivors. So I want to, I'm really, really, really curious to see how she does the second time, because I think that she's going to again, recalibrate that and be able to more deftly juggle, making strong deep relationships and making moves and then still like completing the full circle and having people feel good about her as she goes through the game.

And Sam, so- I wonder if Sam's opinion, cause I like, I mean, it's a, yeah, it's a. So I mean, I would say that you, you would say that she is not a ruthless player, just not as ruthless as we're saying. I don't think she was a particularly ruthless player. What as you were in her circle. And so what if you're not in her circle and she votes you out, that's not ruthless.

That's playing a game in the lions. Well, I want to ask you this. What attributes of a ruthless player do you think she did not have? I don't think Genevieve ever. Backstabbed a friend and voted them out like really ruthlessly without showing legitimate empathy and remorse. I think she was cold at times. I think she was, you know, not super personal at times

and like her connections with some people. But I mean, if we go down the, like after the Saul vote, everybody's targeting her and she just wants to vote out whoever that she can to survive. And she does so successfully, managing relationships relatively well, where everybody on the jury is sitting there wanting to vote for her at the end.

I don't think that's ruthless. I think that's smart and charming and one of the things that Genevieve has as a weapon is her vulnerability because the people that don't get to know Genevieve want to know Genevieve. The people that look at her want to be Genevieve. Like that is sort of like how people view her when she walks into a room and when she speaks. And so the idea, I think Caroline brought it up earlier, I think it was dead on of like what she's able to bring to this cast on Survivor 50 is the idea of,

I'm Genevieve, big scary Genevieve, and then she cracks that self-deprecating joke, and then she laughs at herself, and then she whispers about poutine and chocolate under her breath. And you start to see the little quirks about her that make her her and you're in. And then the more that she tells you, you're even more in. And she's capable and wants to win the game. And I think the experience of going through Survivor 47 has taught her,

like Caroline said, that like, yeah, I can make friends and I can play Survivor. And so I think she might be more ruthless this time around. But I don't think her Survivor 47 game was particularly ruthless. I think everybody was just intimidated because like they knew how well she could do, how great she was. I would agree with you post-solve it think pre solve. I think the key Sean vote was like extremely rude. That was that was a cutthroat vote. It was a cutthroat vote. But also it was like, is it not? But it was about positioning for herself, right? Yeah, sure. But like this, both of those things can exist. Like you can do something that's both good for your game and ruthless at the same time. But I think I think you're not and say that when I said ruthless, it was a huge help.

Yeah, no, yeah, yeah. I'm just saying, like, I think if you if people are not prioritizing you in the game or not playing the game in a way that benefits you and you act back, I don't think that's ruthless. I think that's playing the game. And that's what she came there to do. I just want to say one thing that I'm glad Sam touched on a little bit. She's also so funny.

She is so so funny like in so many not on purpose, which is the best kind of sometimes on purpose, but like sometimes on purpose because she gets everything like I could look at her and she'd already like know what what I was thinking and then we would just die. And just her observations and ways of articulating them are so funny. But also, as Sam says, she is so unintentionally funny. Just who she is as a person is funny.

And I think that's something that just needs to be known and understood more. She is hilarious to be around. You're always laughing around her. I love laughing with her. She makes me laugh so hard. I will chime in there as I don't know. I think I got funny from Survivor 47 watching it, but just spending a couple days with her that I did, I texted immediately. I mean, Genevieve, I think is the funniest person I met. Mark and Genevieve are one in two in terms of the funniest people I think I know. But it shocked me. I don't think I would have gotten it otherwise,

but it really, yeah, she's really, she's got jokes. Oh yeah. Her way of speaking. Mark, who's funnier between you and Genevieve? Who gets you're really funny more? She wasn't funny when I met her. Let's go. Yeah, that's awesome. And I wasn't into Survivor when I met her.

So we both sort of helped each other along. I want to open a question to the room here. Is there anybody on season 50 that you think is Genevieve's direct opposition, like somebody that you would be worried about on behalf of Genevieve? I mentioned it before, but 49 male is a real concern of mine. What is that based in? Can I say his name? We'll say allegedly afterward, but yeah, I think you can say his name.

The man calls himself the Riz God. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. Sure. I will I will say, I think I am worried about the women and Genevieve. Yeah, because I think as the women of season 47 can attest to she she's a threatening woman, especially to another really capable woman and I think that that can either make like magic or fireworks and so that would be my biggest concern is that there's somebody who's like jealous that there's somebody who is threatened that there's somebody

who's like you have what I want and so so I'm going to just relentlessly target you to get it. Sorry, go ahead. I think to that point, Sam, there is also a little bit of like, I think she kind of like gets off a little bit on competing with other great women. Like, you know, almost not like I want to target you because you're like a strong woman or whatever. But she loves that competition. Like, I mean, Rachel, you can speak to this better than anybody. But I think that like the rivalry that her and Rachel had made her so much better made her rise to this occasion, because she, you know, from a third person perspective, almost was like, people watching this are going to see these two badass ladies like, you know, leaving it all out there. And I think that was intoxicated to her. And I'm curious if she will intentionally or

unintentionally pursue that this next time out if she's going to kind of find herself attracted to these women who are, you know, really strong and commanding and have a great track record and want to compete with them and want to see if she can run with them. I see where you're going, Gabe, but I do think that if Genevieve had her way, she would have just voted me out very early in the merch. I don't think she actually wanted to go head to head. I do think that by the time, like, you know, we found ourselves in the position where it was clear that we were, you know, just going to be adversaries, that it was fun. And it was its own like version of kind of like a little bit of like

looking at somebody that you find yourself reflected in and just being like, well, like, let's let's let go. Let's see. But I. I'm I yeah, I would be curious. I mean, she's only played Survivor one so far, so like, I don't know if that was a unique situation or if that is something that will carry into the future. But I also agree. I think that like,

we've kind of talked about it before, like post game that we were both a little bit lucky that we wanted to approach each other in this very similar way of like not trying to fleece one another and not really like really going hard at trying to like deceive each other and just very clearly just having this line between us. And someone on 50 might not be willing to do that. And if they're, you know, intentionally just trying to play her the whole time, like that's going to be a different type of adversary to like have.

And I could definitely see, you know, someone like a Camilla, like a D, like a strong strategic woman be like someone that maybe it's a similar vibe or maybe it's more of like a like a clash. Yeah, I'm not sure. But I think because of that storyline, despite the fact that she is a new era player, I think a lot of the women, even in the older school, will come in respecting her and have a level of respect for Genevieve. And I do think that obviously that could go either way, because if you're respected, maybe you're a threat. But I do think at the very least, there's not going to be this. What I worry about in general for the new era is that the old school have come

in with like a bone to pick and they feel like the new era should not even be there and not like respect them as people they want to work with. And I think Genevieve just based off of that storyline and just her portrayal in general, like has that built in level of respect, which she can utilize. You know, when I, when we had the idea to do this podcast, it was never a question that just from an outsider's perspective who's not a part of your cast, that so much of you guys not only love each other but there is such this reverence for Genevieve that is felt with all of you outside of this podcast just in the Survivorverse.

I don't think that you can say that about a lot of people that are not only playing Survivor 50 but about anybody who's played into a Survivor. I think there's a really special quality that Genevieve has that lets things like this happen. I mean, we've done however many episodes of this podcast, this particular thing hasn't happened. And in closing, Genevieve will listen to this. Mark will make sure that Genevieve... She probably loves it.

Yeah, she has to. She can't be there. She can't be handc has to be there. That's not going to be a hand cuff to like a fence. She'll listen to every other episode, but she won't. If we were to in closing, go around and like when Genevieve does listen to this, because Mark will make her, like what would you tell Genevieve right after this experience is done? I'd love to get like everybody's take on like, you know, what that looks like for, you know, what you deliver to her when she can't hear it at this moment.

Let's just go let's start from teeny at the top and we'll go right to left. Wait, I guess the question. Sorry. We are saying something to her upon her arrival home. Got it. Got it. Has your pin down and forces her to listen to this. She will hear these like upon her arrival home. Got it, got it. Is there a way Mark has her pinned down and forces her to listen to this? She will hear these kind words. All I wanna say, it's quick, is I remember her confessional, episode 13,

talking about making it far into the game and saying, I made no friends. I played this game a certain way and I'm coming out of it with no friends. Who does that? And I just want this to go full circle and like, look at the panel look, look at everyone taking their time right now as she's filming survivor 50. I

don't think like, I think that means something is it's a testament, the fact that we're all here, and we all like, love her. I think it's just it's so cool. Seeing, you know, that that sort of working out like that. So that's all I want to say. I'll just say that I am so, so glad that I am in Genevieve's circle of trust. Like when you're in that circle, you are loved, you are like, I feel almost protected in some way. Like if something goes down and I call Genevieve,

I know because I'm in that circle, she has my back more so than many, many people in my life who I've known way longer than Genevieve, and that's a damn good feeling. I'll say, Brandon, I think what you said is, I'm glad that you noticed that as somebody who's outside of season 47 because really like this reverence for Genevieve, it was so strong among the people that played the game with her. And I do think it is rare for

that to translate through a TV screen so magically and effortlessly and for that to radiate throughout all of these players where like if there's one thing that everybody consensus can agree on, it's like everybody loves Genevieve. And for that reason, there is no better person to represent us out there. I think we're underrepresented out there, but damn, I think she's gonna do a hell of a job representing the hell out of us out there. So I don't think there's anybody better.

And I think one of the things that I like to say about Genevieve is that she's just somebody that I'm proud to know. I'm proud to get to tell people that I know her. I'm proud to tell my family when they ask, Oh, who are you friends with from your season of survivor? I am stoked to get to say her name. So cannot wait to have her back. Good game. You suck. If I was at the airport when she landed, I would just say, it doesn't matter how you did. We're all so happy that you're home.

You know, that is the only thing I'm thinking about is, I cannot wait for her to send her old lady gifts back into the group chat. I cannot wait to hear that she's in for whatever trip we plan together. You know, and I'm, it's kind of selfish to be honest with you. I just want her back home.

I really do. I miss getting to talk to do. I miss getting to talk to her. I miss getting FaceTimes from her. I miss seeing her, you know, hilariously lame jokes in the group chat. I just, I don't care how she does. I know that she's going to go out there and she's going to do great and she's going to kill them all. And that's kind of why I don't care because I just want her to be back home. I really do. I don't care because I just want her to be back home. I really do.

I saw you teeny moving. There's not much I haven't said because I'm a very sentimental person and, um, she, she knows how much I love her, but yeah, ultimately, I mean, I, again, this is something I've tweeted, so it's not private information, but at the wrap party for 47, I walked around a little bit tipsy, actually, a lot of it tipsy off of the champagne from the wrap party for 47, I walked around a little bit tipsy, actually a lot of tipsy off of the champagne from the pizza party. And I went up to almost every single producer with Genevieve next to me and said,

thank you so much for putting me on a season with her because it's like endlessly lucky to me that I got to play with one of her. And no matter what happens, nothing can change. The person that she is, which as Andy said, is such a unique person, character, player of survivor. And we're all lucky. We're all just so freaking lucky to know her.

And yeah, I'm missing the grandma emoji on my phone at the end of every text message no matter the context. Can someone explain to me what that means, grandma emoji? Let me Caroline, volley to you. I think I really echo, you know, what I think is so fascinating about this is, I feel like she's absolutely adored in the survivor community as she should be.

I feel like it's a slam dunk that she's on 50, but I actually don't think it was necessarily a slam dunk for her to choose to go on 50. I feel like there's a lot of stress and anxiety with not only like having to go through the whole process of getting on to be like on Survivor 50, but the fact that that was all happening also, I believe while our season was airing

and just so much that you have to go through, like I am just so proud of her for like saying yes. And I'm also just so proud that at the end of the day, there's so much in like survivor that's out of your control, but what's in your control is like the mindset you go into it with and the mindset and all the prep that you do in advance and knowing Genevieve, she prepped and she prepped well.

So I am just so proud of her for doing everything in her control to put herself in the best position possible. So in my eyes, she won everything that you can do leading up to the game. It's an amazing answer, Caroline. I'm proud of her, what can I say? I'm with Sam. Yeah, I echo kind of what everyone said, but I think that,

yeah, it's been a really unique experience kind of being a loved one, like on this side of it, to like be really close to somebody and talk to them basically every day for the last year and then go no contact for five weeks. Like I remember talking to Mark right before right after she left probably and he was like, this is way easier. Like I was like, this is easy. Like this fucking sucks. And you know, I've been literally counting the days. And it's just it's it's a really literally counting the days. And it's just it's it's a really cool thing to like she went into 47 saying like, I hope I'm not the first boot. And she was, you know, one ball stack away from winning the game.

And like, I think she went in this time around. With the genuine confidence that like she could win and like how powerful is she when she truly believes that. And like, I am so, so proud of her and I'm so excited to have her back. So, yeah. We will be back next time with another episode of the 555. I was talking our last episode talking about Camilla, Kyle, and Joe. But before we leave, I want

one person to close us out and I'm removing everybody from the stream yard except for this person. So hold on, we're gonna have one person close us. We're removing everybody. And we're see it. And you've been voted off. Rachel, people haven't been voted off. It's you, Mark. You know, we've all said it, but talk through just before we go. Like, how are you feeling? How you doing? I am doing okay. Honestly, this was like, this was really cool. And really, I can't thank you enough for inviting me to do this, because there's no good reason other than you're a really nice guy.

inviting me to do this because there's no good reason other than you're a really nice guy. But just, you know, if I'm thinking about, you know, what I would say to Genevieve when she gets back and I've thought about nothing else for the last five weeks, what these people just said about her over the last hour will mean more to her than anything that could have possibly happened while she was out there. And she could come home with a million dollars, a million dollar check in her back pocket and hearing the things that everyone said about her is, you know, the things that, that everyone said about her is, uh, you know, means a lot to me and it will mean even more to her. So that's really cool.

And, um, I think this is, uh, yeah, it's, it's, it's a very special thing for her to, uh, to have this, this group of people to, to say those types of things. I almost just cried. That was, that was, that cried. That was deep. You got good lines, Mark. I'm telling you. They're really good. No, that's true, man. It's the real dichotomy of what she was like on the island because people mean so much to her and her family and friends mean so much to her. And she'll really appreciate all this. So and I appreciate it too. Thank you for doing this. This is so much fun. Thank you for joining us for this episode of this private because we back next time our last time together. I come on to talk about Joe Hunter as well?

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