RHAP: We Know Survivor - Tiffany Ervin & Hunter McKnight Recap Survivor 47 Ep 11

Episode Date: November 27, 2024

Today, Rob is joined by Survivor 46's Tiffany Ervin and Hunter McKnight to discuss Survivor 47 episode 11.

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people have uh get their eyes fixated on. It's Hunter McKnight. Yes, thank you. I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to be here. Okay, and then also with us tonight, another big threat from Survivor 46 that people got locked in on, of course. Also from the top eight, it's Tiffany Nicole Irvin.

Hey guys. This is so fun. This is so fun. This is so fun. I haven't done this at all with two people from the same season after the episode. So I'm very excited to hear what you both have to say. It felt like deja vu watching this episode. I'm not going to lie to you. It did.

It felt like both of our exits combined. Absolutely. Yeah. And I think that this is a a great spot in the game to talk to you both and so i'd love um very excited to hear uh your insight on what we've seen so far and uh you know what why we're in this position that we're in right now we're live on wednesday night we've got the chat going and we're going to take questions later on in the show from the chats if you have them we're going to flag them and take questions later on in the show from the chats. If you have them, we're going to flag them and take them later on in the episode.

Little bit of a interesting schedule always with Thanksgiving, with the fall season. So we are going to have our exit interview with Kyle. That's going to come up on Monday. So everybody's off for the long weekend. So we'll have our exit interview coming up with Kyle on Monday. It'll be a busy Friday for us. We're going to take Thursday off and then we'll have the Survivor coming up with Kyle on Monday. It'll be a busy Friday for us. We're going to take Thursday off and then we'll have the survivor. Know-it-alls with Steven at 3 p.m. on Friday.

And then I will also do the patron Q&A with everybody earlier in the day, 11 a.m. Eastern on Friday for the patron Q&A. So that's the schedule for events for the next couple of days. But let's start because I think that we're in this really interesting spot in the game and kind of in the new era where it's really this matchup of the players that have sort of been identified as the threats. And it's like, well, you all are the threats. You have to go now. Okay? So all of us that we have deemed not the threats, we are going to stay. One of us will be the winner.

But you all, you were too threatening in the earlier part of the game. And so now you all have to go. And we have the majority. And it looks like it's set up to be like a paganging of the non-threats versus the threats. versus the threats. And I have to say, the gameplay is right, but it does feel like that it's maybe not the most fun outcome that we could be having with a Survivor season. Agreed.

I agree with that. It does remind me. So you remember the infamous six, right? The 46 that went absolutely, the secret six alliance, the goal of that originally was to prevent this thing from happening of like, if the threats stick together, then when we get to the end, it can just be the threats. But then immediately the threats are like, actually, I don't think I want to do that. That's a play.

Like we're all sort of following each other. You're all in a Spider-Man meme, just pointing at each other. Exactly. And whenever I went back and thought about the Gabe vote with Kyle and the flashback and this weird rivalry that happened between them right before it,

Kyle said pretty soon into the episode that Gabe's threat level is growing and my threat level is growing. So I have to vote Gabe out. And whenever you stop and say, OK, he's a threat, but you get into this position where the threats are now in trouble because they decide if you're a threatening, I'm going to take you out. It just leaves the threats in a vulnerable spot. And that's what happened with at least our last season with Tiffany and with me and with Q and with a lot of them where, and it's, it's not necessarily that these people are more threatening or better at the game, but they've just been perceived that way. And that perception becomes a reality. And it's like a stigma and a plague where if you can't get it off quick, you're in trouble. Yeah. It's just like Genevieve said, once you get that threat stamp, it does not wash off.

Yeah. And Tiffany, I couldn't help thinking when I was watching the episode about how for, and we saw that Kyle and Sam and Genevieve were just sitting there in the shelter and it's like, well, there's nothing that we can do. And it makes me think back to last week. Was it the wrong move for them to have voted out Gabe, who was also the biggest threat? Yeah, it was. This is like when I say deja vu, this is literally deja vu. This is exactly what we did. And Genevieve kind of had that same realization that we all had, except she had it in real time and not at ponderosa she said we need to start getting out the people that are getting dragged to the end the soothes the andes i mean even though no not her andy's game because i think he's playing a

great game he's just playing a very low profile game but i think even in that moment it's too little too late she should have said that two episodes ago because it would have got a little bit more steam. And to be quite honest, this is exactly the same play. All the threats, they're beefing up against each other because even at the end, Kyle and Genevieve, they turned on each other. Me and Hunter, we turned on each other. I'm like, no, you got to go before I do. And it's like literally he went and if history is to be repeated, Genevieve is probably going next week. Yeah.

And it's going to be soon. And that's literally, like, when I was taking the notes, her thinking was absolutely perfect. Like, we've got to get rid of these people that are just going to fill up spots. Because they're taking spots that could be ours because no one wants to vote them out now. But the thing is, they waited too long for that. they started taking out threats they should have thought of that before but you know it's too late now the train the train is moving and all the like not threats they banded together and at this point their numbers are dwindling shout out to Genevieve for having that realization at least while she's still on the island because me and Hunter was

high-fiving each other at Ponderosa. Like, yeah, we sure should have did that. Like, too late. Okay. Well, I want to keep this about Survivor 47, but I have to know. So what, for the two of you, other than not voting out Hunter, like, was there a point in the game that you two should have done something different? Yes. We had a conversation about it, and we didn't do anything about it

and they never aired it. Me and Hunter realized that we were being pitted against each other by Q and we're like, you never said that? You never said that? And by that point, we already had the biggest targets on our back. So like it was too late,

but there was definitely a point. The episode where Q confessed that he wanted to go home after when everyone's game he went to tiffany and told tiffany that i had told everyone about her idol and so it just like sue and kyle that huge wedge that gets driven there like it's hard to overcome that and from the time that q told tiffany that to the time i was voted out was less than 24 hours and so there's not time to try to repair things like that. And so whenever there's someone in the middle that's like saying this and this,

it's really hard to get it figured out in that amount of time. And Tiffany had no reason to believe me when I'm like alone on the island. And so there's nothing to convince now. And so it takes a bunch of forethought and foreplanning. And that's what Genevieve is seeing here, uh, to get ahead of this happening. And Kyle is realizing that he went back and forth

in multiple things. He said in the confessionals of like, I don't want to get threats out. Actually, I wanted to get a threat out because it was Gabe. And then he says, well, now us three that are left, we can't get each other out because we're the only threats left. And it just like, it's hard because it's moving so quickly but you have to see it beforehand otherwise it's just going to steamroll into something you can't control now i not to blame gabe for this but i kind of feel like that gabe was the person who uh needed to be out a little bit more in front of this because i feel like that gabe should have seen that okay well they're going to come me. And he talked about, I need to get past nine.

If I get past nine, I'm going to be home free. I think that he was like a little bit more, and maybe a lot of people say that. Literally, I was thinking about it, and then 10, like, oh, if I just get past eight, it's going, next you know, on the boat. But Gabe was very much, I'm loyal to Sue. I'm loyal to Caroline.

I'm going to go to the final three with them. Like, does he need to pivot and say, hold on, I'm a threat. Maybe I need to team up with the other threats. And I think that he was maybe just holding on to hope that, okay, Sue and Caroline are going to be loyal to me. So if I can just get past this point, like I've got my loyal people that I'm going to take to the end, but he's got to know like, hey, you're one of the threats that they're going to come for you. Wasn't there a moment that him and Genevieve talk and they're both like, it's me or you

because we're threats. And it's like, the writing is there because Kyle feels the same way. It's like, you talk to Kyle, you talk to Genevieve, you grab Sue and Caroline, and that's five that you can work with now. But it was just, I mean, you get so focused in it and it's moving so fast. It's sometimes hard to take a step back and say, this is what's about to happen. Yeah. All right. Well, let's talk about the position that they're in now and what they could do now, because I bet this was a night that was all about Rachel and Rachel had a phenomenal night. She goes on the journey. She ends up being, you know, solidifying this alliance. She wins immunity. So all great things for Rachel. I couldn't help think

that coming out of this episode, that is Rachel actually with the wrong group of people? Should Rachel be like, has Rachel now come out as one of the threat people tiffany you shake your head no no no rachel isn't exactly where rachel needs to be because rachel is she part of the underdog crew nobody is looking at rachel as a threat nobody knows what she has in her pocket nobody knows all the things that she's done and she's keeping quiet and letting the big dogs fight it out and let people point their arrows at the bigger targets until it's too late. And nobody's going to realize

that she's actually the biggest dog on the beach until it's too late. Yeah, it's where perception's everything. And Rachel has to keep hammering. Genevieve and Sam are the threats. They have to be gone. We have to. But what happens after that?

Right, exactly. Can she win out from five? Is that the plan? She has an idol. And I think she's doing a great job. She didn't have to use it tonight. She's doing a great job with Andy as well. Andy and Teenie because there's

this other side of if they get to five, there's Sue and Caroline who are obviously going to be very close. She is in a great spot right now that if she can hold that, she's got a lot of chips in her hand. And even her sharing that information with Sue this episode, man, it's like everything is falling perfectly for Rachel. At least this episode where Sue is like in love with her. She's like, I am all for you now. It's like, man is she's in a

perfect spot she's had such an interesting ride after the merge because she came into the merge as kind of a big target for people like a lot of people felt like that she was somebody who they really had an eye on and then she escaped that uh tribal council when saul gave her the safety without power she ends up doing the shot in the dark thing and doesn't have to play her idol. But Tiffany, it seems like that she's kind of got back under the radar where people aren't so worried about her. But I just I worry that is has she made herself the biggest threat out of the perceived non threats? Not at all. I don't think that I think the good thing that Rachel is doing. And one thing that I really admire about her is that Rachel is keeping quiet.

Nobody like Rachel has been having all these lucky breaks. She has these advantages. The only thing that people know right now is that she has a block of vote. And that's the type of that's the type of advantage that like when you have a group of underdogs that are solely focused on getting out big targets, it's like, yeah, we can all work together. That's for all of us. They don't know about her idol. Half of them still don't know that Saul is the one who saved her. These lucky breaks and this momentum that she has, she's doing a great job minimizing it. And she's boosting other people up she's making people like andy feel like oh yeah like you're you're so great so that by the time the big threats are out and he's going to be looking at himself like dang now i'm the biggest threat on the beach he has no idea that racial

really is yeah um hunter were you surprised that rachel and sam are not on the same page at all now because it seemed to me, like even coming out of last week, that I thought Rachel and Sam were still working together. Yeah, well, so their relationship has been weird to follow because at the beginning, when it was just them on a tribe, they were kind of separated.

And then whenever Rachel realized she was in a tough spot, she was like trying to ingratiate herself back with him and with Andy and with Sierra there for a little bit. But as she's seen that he's been ostracized as a threat, she's kind of like moved away more and found her own vein with. I mean, we saw the preview for the next episode where they're saying, hey, we're going to have four girls in the final four. And like she is playing every card really, really well. It has been weird how she's kind of separated herself from him but it makes sense especially whenever she's working so closely with andy and andy was obviously a little bit upset with how he was treated by sam and sierra this is something that came up in the episode that i couldn't wait to ask you both about that. Genevieve talked about how

back at the Kishan vote that Kishan said, Genevieve, I trusted you. And she like it killed her that to have that betrayal happen. She said after that, I'm going to be the villain that people didn't really get close to so I can do what I need to do in this game and not have to betray people. Terrible move. Terrible move. Horrible mistake. I don't know why she said that out loud. She said it in the confessional. She said it in the confessional. Girl, but then she said that at Tribal too. I don't know what she was doing at Tribal Council. I wonder at Tribal Council, I feel like that is this like a little bit shades of Q is like,

does Genevieve not want to be here anymore? Yeah, I think, I think she's realizing she's in a rough spot, but I think there's also some foreshadowing in this of her saying, you know, I'm a villain that makes no connections is like the perfect person. Like Rachel is savvy enough to see if she burns enough bridges and cuts ties enough, because in terms of the people in the jury right now, I don't think Genevieve has many friends. And so she is becoming that villain that has no connections. And so someone savvy like Rachel can say, hey, well, actually, I'm going to take you.

I mean, I don't know what happens in the next episode, but it does look like things are about to get stirred up. And Genevieve is an extremely savvy player. And I could see her making it through a few more. But I don't think she has the equity with the jury to actually win. And so it felt like foreshadowing. You think so? I feel, I feel the opposite. I feel like it's kind of like, well, you know what? I can't really say because the jury, the jury has been kind of hard to read.

You never really know where the jury's heads are at until they start talking because it could be a situation where the jury does the exact opposite of what we think and they get up there and they're like, wow, y'all let this girl get all the way to the end. Are y'all dumb folks? Like you never really know. That's what I would do. Like y'all crazy. I wanted to ask you both though about this idea that, you know, that Genevieve had to betray somebody that, you know, she really had this emotional connection with. And I was thinking back to Survivor 46, and from my recollection, I feel like that neither of you really had to do that to somebody that you really had a great connection with in the game. with in the game and you know the the votes that you made were votes that you had to make but it wasn't necessarily that either of you had to make that big backstabby betrayal of a person that you

cared about yeah that's that's true i mean the closest would be with tevin and me not doing enough to try to save him or using my idol for him but that wasn't like at my like blood wasn't on my hands in that and so no i didn't yeah i think we was getting more of the the stabs in the back than we were stabbing people in the back because for me all of my moves and like all my like backstabby or like riffs with like alliance members happened because they wronged me first so it's like oh you get me well i'm gonna try my best to get my lick back in the end i you know i didn't get to look back but yeah no i can't really relate to feeling sad because i really betrayed somebody that i cared about but also that's the game

yeah you knew what you signed up for well i just think it was so interesting for from to hear from genevieve that you know she that she thought she could do that. She could make these connections and then just betray people. And then after she got a taste of what that was like, she's really had to kind of change her approach in the game. And I can't really think of too many other players that have sort of like mid-game said that they're going to start changing up what they're doing because it's too hard. I think that might come back to bite her in the butt, though. I know Hunter made a great point when he said that, like, it's about the jury connections. But outwardly saying I'm no longer going to use emotions when it comes to this game is basically putting up on everybody's radar.

OK, like she's moving and operating like a robot. So I can no longer touch her on like a personal level. I can't connect with you on that level where I can really build rapport and trust because you just told me that that's not what you're out here to give. Yeah. Yeah, I will say Genevieve

has been hard to read the whole time. She just kind of like bounces back and forth. It doesn't feel like she's had many connections before. Like she kind of let Rome go like it was nothing. She let Sol go like it was nothing. Like it was like, Genevieve would be a scary one to play with just because of how savvy she is and how quick she is to cut ties. Yeah.

But I think it's great. Would she be even more scarier if uh she could also you know give you that warmth oh yeah yeah yeah that's true yeah because i'm trying to i'm trying to think of a player that i can that i can attribute that to and i don't know if there's really anybody that's standing out like this season per se, but to have somebody with that much game level intelligence and then be able to like attach that emotional manipulation aspect to it, they're a very dangerous player. Yeah. So it's a new year.

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because you had these five people, the underdog alliance who is trying to decide, okay, do we want to vote out Kyle? Do we want to vote out Genevieve? Of course, we know Sue that she was drooling over getting the chance to vote out Kyle in Do we want to vote out Genevieve? Of course, we know Sue that she was drooling over getting the chance to vote out Kyle in this episode. And Caroline wants to sort of like patch things up with Sue and give her that. But then there's also the contingent of Andy and Rachel more so in wanting to vote out the Genevieve from the game. Did they make the right decision to vote out Kyle?

I personally would have voted out Genevieve if I was in that position. No, no way. Because you voted me out. Because I was the Genevieve and you were Kyle. So I had to rush the game down. Yeah, that's true. But if I was the other people.

Q was Genevieve in this scenario. But I will say, I don't, time will tell on, because the thing is, the right choice is subjective to who you're looking at the lens through. I did love Andy's breakdown of it. Probably my favorite part of the whole episode because he was throwing out statistics that I don't think most people would appreciate

because his point was true. Were they accurate though? They were. They were. Like, I did it. I did the math. You would appreciate because his point was true. Were they accurate, though? They were. Like, I did it. I did the math. You did the math. Oh, my God. What did you do?

6.25%. When playing the field, and it wasn't that he would win again, it was that he would win all the way into Final Three. And so, like, I respect... Hunter, can I question you on Andy's math? Because doesn't that presume that there is that that Kyle has like everybody has an equal chance of winning that? I feel like that that math sort of like presumes that it's almost like you're playing some game of like spin a wheel.

And then is how many times is it going to come up, Kyle, whenyle has uh you know shown his acumen in these challenges and that he's better at these challenges than everybody else so i don't think you could just do it as like one out of six one out of five i would actually no so it wasn't it wasn't one out of six one it was his it was based on his previous probability of how he's performed in challenges against everyone so far and so he's won four, but he's only won two of those against the whole group. The other times he's gone against the whole group were two other times and he lost both of those. And so that's where he got the two out of four

against the whole group. There is other things that come into play in that. Number one is you have to make sure you keep strong competitors in and they've already voted Gabe out. So that messes up the probability, but also, and this is where I wish Andy would have pointed it out is they, uh, Kyle has one in very specific types of challenges,

both balance and some endurance, but they're all about the shift. And that's what I was dying to get to, uh, in my season. If I can get past this body weight stuff, I will be so much better suited, but, and you would have been better. I would have been better than having to hold up my weight. But I think it is an interesting point for Andy to make. And it's worth pushing. This is something that Andy's able to do. We'll quote Genevieve where Genevieve says she can look past the noise to hear the news. There is so much noise about Kyle is winning immunity, Kyle is winning immunity. So it's just making, is that the biggest thing on the block?

But what, and I'll reference Charlie from last year or last season, Charlie did a good job of realizing truths that would be the same throughout. She realized that Maria wanted Tiffany out. Maria wants Tiffany out ASAP. But he kept delaying that because he knew that would be truth the whole season. Andy knows Sue wants Kyle out. And that is a fact that is not going to change. And whenever you have truths like that in Survivor, the longer you can keep them in and know that's how people will play around them, the better it is.

So I applaud Andy for his efforts there. Sure, Kyle could have still gone on a run just the same. And so I don't think it's worth shaking it up as much. But it also exemplified how Andy has an idea of how this game is playing, but he doesn't have the traction to get it going. Multiple times, Andy has been like, I am going to choose who goes next. And then somebody is in big trouble. Tiffany, what about for you?

Do you think that this was the right call to go after Kyle? No, I would, I would personally have gone after Genevieve just because at least from the other perspective, not if I was Kyle, of course, but I do feel like some of, I feel like Genevieve is more of a wiggly player, right? Like I forget who it was. It might have been Caroline that said it or not. It was Teenie that was talking about threats that are big and out there in your face and threats that are like working behind the scenes.

Kyle is only a threat if he wins immunity. Once that does or does not happen, threat level neutralized. Genevieve, she's out there. She's having conversations. She's manipulating people. And now we don't have that very strong passion from Sue to get Kyle out. So it's kind of anybody's game at this point. You know, the survivor wins blow one way one day

and somebody starts to see Genevieve's point as looking a little more appetizing than it did the day before. Things could shift. Genevieve is a good talker. Kyle is a little more reserved. That was probably they should have switched the order of operations. Yeah, it's also interesting. The weight of challenge wins is based on the jury. And what's fascinating in a game of Survivor is the people in the game right now are the ones determining how valuable challenge wins are. And so they could ultimately be like, we don't care about challenge wins. And when we get on the jury, we're still not going to care about challenge

wins. But it's just a weird dynamic to the game. And so, you know, who knows if it works out for them if it doesn't. But yeah, I understand why they wanted to get rid of Kyle. And I think this came up more last week. You know, for me, I think the thing about Kyle is that his story, I think, is a little bit more of the threat for me than his that the fact that he's won the four challenges. Like there wasn't really a plausible scenario where he was going to win nine challenges in the season and run the table on this thing but he did have the thing where if you let him get to you know close enough and then he gets in the final three he's probably going to win because he's had you know talked to his whole thing is about his family he's got small children and so he's got like the two things of that he's the challenge threat but he's also this very big jury threat and not for the reasons that he's played this

amazing game it's because you know you're really gonna be very tempted to like wow this this could really really like change everything in his world and he's such a good guy and so you know you you might be more prone to want to like he's a threat more for that yeah but as like hunter said that's through through the rest that's true throughout the rest of the game his story is going to be the same yesterday as it was today as it is tomorrow you don't know what genevieve is gonna say tomorrow yeah and that that's um i mean that was something i noticed whenever he realized he was in a tough spot was that he still continued to talk about how like good of a guy he was He went to Andy and was like, this game is so hard for me because I'm not used to this.

And they have this heartfelt moment. I'm like, no, don't seem endearing right now. I don't know, be a jerk or something. Maybe you don't come across as likable and willing to win this game. So this question that we've been talking about, about the threats versus the non-threats, I mean, this has been a part of Survivor really all through the 40s. And Tony really started to talk about this when he started to talk about the lions and the hyenas and the lions needed to stick together.

From the perspective of Sam and Genevieve and Kyle, what could they be doing now at the point that there are only three of them? Is there anything, Tiffany? I don't know. It's tough. First of all, one of them definitely has to win immunity so that there is only two people that they have to worry about. And then even and I think the person that needs to win immunity is Genevieve, because if not, her head is on the platter next. Sam might have a little bit of wiggle room because he hasn't done too much. But I feel like they're going to have to like really get in the weeds and almost do a little bit of manipulating and turning people on each other

if they are going to shift anything. Yeah. Hunter, I just think about it sort of like these are like two tribes now. You have the tribe of the underdogs versus the tribe of the threats. And it's like, oh, there's nothing you can do. We have five and you have three. I mean, maybe you got to look at it from the perspective of like if this was like two tribes coming together, like who's the person that's at the lowest in the pecking order of the of the underdogs? Could you get them to come with the threats? Yeah, it's I began to think about it. And it's less of a like two sides. It's more like a rock, paper, scissors effect to where there's the top of the

bottom and the bottom of the bottom. There are people who at this moment, if it plays out the way it's going to play out, are unable to win, completely unwinnable unless something crazy happens. And the moment that you realize the threats can't sway the people at the top of the bottom who are going to win, they have to go to the bottom and say, look, you're going to lose this game. Tell me what to do. Boss me around. I have no option. You will gain equity by telling me what to do by saving my life in this game. You yourself will become the threat. You can't keep giving the people right above you the power to vote us out. Like that's that's whenever they realize that they weren't biting, they should have gone to the people that they thought had no equity.

Genevieve should have said, I know there are people getting drugged to the end. I want to get them out, but I can't. And so now I'm going to use them and make it very clear that they're being drugged to the end. And that's what you can hope happens, but it takes a lot of convincing. You know, this post-merge game in this season also

has been, and I think the season has been very fun and I like all the players, but all the votes have been completely lopsided. This episode was, what, 6-1-1? We haven't really had, with the exception of vote splits with Sierra and Sam, there haven't been any close votes that we've had in this second half of the game. And it's just been a lot of everybody, you know, if this was Big Brother, you know, we'd say that everybody's just voting with the house. Nobody wants to be really doing anything different. Do you see that also, Tiffany?

Absolutely. And I find it, I mean, it's not confusing. It's very easy to understand why everybody's doing it. But it's like you said, people who are going along with this, you're either at the top of the bottom or the bottom of the bottom. And if you're at the bottom of the bottom, you have to realize at some point, like, you're literally just being used as a number. So are you going to do anything to change or are you going to be taken to the final as a lamb for the slaughter? But everybody's kind of playing scared, except for the slaughter but everybody's kind of playing scared except for the people that everybody's trying to get out but i mean what do you do either you play for real except for rachel rachel rachel's doing a good job of avoiding that but i don't even want to say i don't think i would say that they're playing scared like everybody's playing like very smart

but like very like everybody's like thinking about the game in the exact same way of like there's a lot of sharing of information like everybody always knows who's going home unless it's like the person who's going home and their closest ally i'm like you know where's the where's the pizzazz like some fireworks up in there yeah come on even though it's thanksgiving we can have fireworks right exactly yeah hunter is there something that you feel like that these players watch i think the last vote that they watched i i believe was tiffany so basically they watched through you know through the final eight of survivor 46 do you feel like there was

any takeaways from your season that's caused this season to turn out the way it is that that was the last thing in their minds uh right before they played yeah well we saw it way back whenever gabe talked about the whole idol was like i don't want to be like those people and we got that lovely flashback cameo uh yeah i think that that has a lot to do with it. They're kind of steering clear of advantages as far as they can. I mean, they gave up all their shots in the dark. They're like, we don't want these things. We'd rather have rice.

And so that has been an interesting twist to it. But I will say, like, there has to be some freedom in knowing that all I've got left is my social game. All I've got left is the conversations I can have instead of, because that's where I was just questioning, should I do, should I play this or should I really just lean into relationships? What, what, where do I go on this? And to get back to the previous question of, are they playing scary? Are they playing the best? 13 or 12 is a lot of people to come to the merge with and to really make moves or to like make your stand that early when there are that many people left in the game is hard to do to put yourself on the opposite side i felt that pressure like if i can just get i think seven it's gonna

all blow open i think stuff's really gonna start happening after this because you have such small numbers so you can make things move but it's hard to to swing a vote a certain way when there's that many people so it's like i just gotta get on the train otherwise i'm gonna really be singled out yeah tiffany uh you talked about how it was crazy when they all gave up their shots in the dark uh what did you uh make of that was that a good trade for the players or for jeff uh that was great for je. Well, good for some players, bad for others. Right. So there are some players who, you know, they they don't care about that shot in the dark. Players like Sue. Sue's name hasn't been being thrown around too much, except for when she said, like, Kyle wrote it down or something like that. But for the people like the Sams and the Genevieve's to willingly give up their shot in the dark to feed the people that are trying to send them home is nuts. Like Sam, you knew they were trying to send you home.

I don't care what hot stuff Gabe was talking. Why are you giving up your shot in the dark? Granted, Gabe ended up going home that day, but to know that you are an active target and to give up your lifeline for some rice to fill the bellies of the people that are trying to send you home is absolutely insane. That is a good point because, you know, for the players that are like, okay, we're going to put all of the votes on, you know, Kyle tonight, it's going to be Kyle, it's going to be Sam, you know, just the threat of them like, well, that's it. I'm playing the shot in the dark tonight. And it's like, oh my God, now what do we do? We got to put the thing on somebody else. And then know that could create an opening where potentially they could end up uh coming up with

a different plan weirdly enough i think both you and i tiffany would actually have appreciated the shot in the darks being gone for our season because we had an idol and what it does is i will say this the past episode was very clear. They were very forthright about who was going home. Like they weren't really being super like secretive about it. But when there's a shot in the dark always there, you have to speak in code and you have to keep it a mystery for risk of it. But if that is removed, there almost has seemed at least this past episode where there's more information flowing. Like Andy basically told Kyle, you know, I'm doing the best I can, but it's looking like I'm not going to be able to have enough numbers.

And like that, I think maybe someone would have come up to us and be like, Hey, you know, which maybe they did to a certain extent, but it feels like. Definitely not me. Didn't nobody tell me. Nobody told me nothing. That's true. That's true. That's true. But I would argue that like it only works if people don't know you have an idol. They're not going to come out and say.

That's true because. Neither one of our idols was a secret. Well, mine was until the day I went out. Until you told Venus. The day I went out. I know. Okay. We don't have to hazard.

We don't have to. Okay. Yes. Yes. Next. Next. Next. Next. Yeah. He was trying to get something home. I know. Okay. We don't have to hazard. We don't have to move on. Okay. Yes. Yes. Next. Next. Yeah. He was trying to get something going.

Come on. Yeah. I get it. I get it. We ended up in the same spot. All right. But Hunter, you brought up Andy talking to Kyle. Now, I thought this was very interesting when they rolled the credits.

Okay. Andy votes for Genevieve at this tribal council. Is Andy not in 100% on what they were doing? Is Andy, did he make that promise to Kyle of, hey, I'm not, my targets are, I forget what he said, Sam and Genevieve. And then so, and you're not one of my next targets. And so is, was this jury management? I have a feeling we're going to find out next episode because they've done that a lot. But, yeah, I could see it being jury management or in the very off chance that Kyle has an idol or something.

I mean, I guess the chance isn't zero. And so one of those two things, jury management, he's trying to win Kyle over or he's just making sure if something crazy does happen by chance that we're still in control of it. Is that what you think too, Tiffany? Yeah, I'm actually on the jury management train specifically because they chose to show us that conversation that he had with Kyle where he was like, you know, I said, I'm not going to write your name down. And if you're that confident that Kyle is about to go home and he's about to be sitting in the jury, why would you write his name down if you know he's going home anyway? Yeah. Can I ask you both about the perspective of the jury? And I know that, you know, your season has, you know, a somewhat controversial ending and how the jury ends ends up uh you know making the decision uh not from you know your your particular votes but can you talk a little bit about how you know what the jury is

listening for when they're sitting there at these tribal councils and like how much does pandering the the contestants are trying to you know say say things to like curry favor with the jury? Like, does that stuff work? To a certain extent, I will say yes, only because I can say with certainty that Kenzie definitely locked in my vote with certain things that she said during different tribal councils. And just kind of letting me know that, like, you know, like I had your back. Like, I mean, granted, you see more things 360 once you watch the season. But for me specifically, I was paying attention to two things. One, how are you moving about me when you are out there?

And two, how are you playing this game? And to be honest, while I charlie played an amazing game i was not privy to a lot of the moves that he made until i watched the season back if charlie would have done a better job of kind of explaining that and even pulling other people's cards i would like you know me personally i can only speak for me i would have been more inclined to kind of like lean that way and i even told told Charlie post game. I'm like, Hey,

in that moment where Kenzie was pandering to me the day after I went home when she said, I cried, my girl didn't go home. If you would have pulled her card right then and there on the spot and said, but Kenzie, you were in on the plan.

We left you out. You would have locked me in. That's so interesting. Because I think that we talk so much about the, Oh, at the final tribal council, the final tribal council to do this, but Tiffany, should players need to be making their case?

Like way before, way before it's too much. It's overload at the final tribal council. It's very much overload. I was listening from the day I got put on the jury bench and I was just collecting information and collecting information by the time final travel comes. It's like, it almost feels rushed. And And it's like you're trying to cram so much into such a small speech that some things get lost in translation. Yeah, I'll say for me, at least, it's hard to gauge how well you're doing from the jury bench because a lot of people are speaking

in code. Charlie was really managing his threat level super well, but you have a great opportunity to lose respect from the jury. Like, by the way, like lots of answers that are just too off the wall or too much, like I'm just here for a good, or I'm not like, I remember Liz said that she was in the, like at the back of the bus now.

And it's like, don't say that to us because that becomes our reality. That's all we've got to go on. And so while I don't think you can necessarily get too far ahead with pandering to the jury, you can definitely lose some momentum if you just look like you're there trying to survive another vote. Yeah. This is interesting stuff because I think we talk so much about managing your threat level, but i don't think that we really talk too much about you know uh making your case to the jury about what you're doing before you get to the final three i feel like that we've always talked about it sort of like okay the game is sort of like you're doing the magic show and then the final tribal council

say this is how i did all the tricks but uh you know to give lay out like to breadcrumb the jury a little bit throughout the course of the season especially as you get closer to give lay out, like to breadcrumb the jury a little bit throughout the course of the season, especially as you get closer to the end. I think that that's a pretty good too. And I, you know, now that I'm talking about it, I feel like that there are some instances of players sort of like doing that at like the final six, final five tribal councils and sort of like setting the stage for the final three. That actually, that happened with Charlie with the final six and the final five vote. I think he lost a lot of steam at those tribal councils. He didn't seem like he was as in control of those two. And I think that's what lost him a lot of votes.

But then you have other people. I know Ben was frustrated that he felt like he didn't have an opportunity at the end, but it was like one of those things where throughout the tribal councils, it felt like we didn't see you in those. And so it's hard to keep you in the same range as Charlie and Kenzie, who are way more visible. Okay. We haven't talked much about Caroline right now. And I think that Caroline is in such a great position. I loved what we saw from her in the episode where she talked about how, you know, Loved what we saw from her in the episode where she talked about how, you know, Gabe had his idea of what he wanted to do and how he wanted to get to the final three. But that's not what she came here to do. And this was her dream to be out here on Survivor.

I thought it was just really incredible stuff. And then I loved how she got back together with Sue and patched things up after the Gabe vote and got Sue really back on board. Tiffany, I really feel like that out of the underdogs. I think that Caroline might be set up best. I don't know if she's set up best, but she is set up well, for sure. That conversation with her and Sue was very interesting because I kind of took, I had a different take on it. I was trying to figure out how much of that conversation was a finesse. I'm like, is she like laying it on a little thick here to play at Sue's heartstrings because she knows the type of person that Sue is and that's the way to connect with her? Now, granted, I'm not saying it was untrue,

but I think that Caroline is a very smart player and she knew that to get back in Sue's good grace that she was going to have to lay it on a little thicker than usual but I think she's playing a great game and I think she understood from her perspective that getting Gabe out was necessary because Sue was like attached at the hip to Gabe and that was going to crack the game open for her. Yeah, and I like to compare it with the conversation that Genevieve and Teenie had when they came back. I think Caroline did a phenomenal job with that, whether she was sincere or not. She made the conversation about herself

and about how she felt like she was getting drug and how she didn't want that to happen to her. It was never about, like, Sue, we have to be against each other. I mean, Genevieve mentioned that like, Tina, you're going to turn against me. And so it made it almost a like, not a challenge, but it made it very clear. Genevieve is thinking as a game and we're all different pieces versus Caroline entering that conversation and wanting Sue just to see her as a person and what she was trying to accomplish in the game.

And it left the door open for working together while Genevieve's and Tim did not seem like it was going to end that way. And so I have to give props to Caroline in that she did a great job in managing that relationship. And correct me if I'm wrong, but she knows about Sue's idol, doesn't she? Yeah. Well, I think she suspects about Sue's idol. I don yeah well i think she suspects about sue's i i don't know i think they had a conversation i i i'm not 100 sure about this so the chat will verify 85 sure that that sue told her i'm pretty sure she did yeah um so uh we'll get an answer on that uh from the chat on the Sue's Idol.

But I wanted to talk about Sue a little bit where, you know, we had in the episode that they talked about how, OK, well, I think Genevieve might have said, OK, there's this thing that Caroline, OK, Caroline told Sue she knows. OK, so Caroline 100% knows. Caroline 100% knows. Okay. So Sue and Andy are being talked about as players that are 100% players are trying to get them to the final three. What do you do about these players? Like a Sue who's like a lock for the final three right now. And everybody feels like, oh, yeah, I want to get to the final three with Sue. Like, how do you untangle that because

everybody wants to keep them because everybody feels like that they could beat her if you are uh really anybody you get sue gone you gotta send sue home because sue is well i was interested to see what type of game sue would play post gabe but then watching this episode it was like oh so instead of attaching yourself to gabe now you just attach yourself to rachel so it's just the same thing now you're just blindly loyal to somebody else because they told you a secret sue has to go if anybody wants to free up that seat in the final three because if they don't she will be sitting in it yeah um i won't name names but i kind of feel like that this was going on in survivor 46 too that there's like people that's like okay well yes but what do you do i kind of feel like that this is a problem that we don't need to get anybody in trouble

yes but what do you do i kind of feel like that this is a problem that we have where we ended up yeah you know that we have our players not to say like you know who's better and who's worse but if we sort of like have these survivor seasons and then we get kind of like bottlenecked with a lot of players who really can't win all getting towards the end of the game like i feel like that you know players need to start to recognize like okay we got to just take these players out because they are blocking the road right and that was the plan that was the plan okay we'll practice it by saying this is all perception so it's not a reflection of anybody's individual game ability it's a protection In the season that they're in. But so what has to happen with those players is the threats have to recognize them before they start going after each other.

But the moment the threats have lost numbers, they've got to try to – there should be two people whispering in their ears. Rachel should be whispering, we have to get rid of threats. Otherwise, they're going to destroy us. And they have to keep that facade of them being equal. While the threats have to be whispering in Sue's ear, you are being used. There's no shot you win unless you flip and you come with us. It reminds me of Hayden. So the blood versus water with Hayden and Tyson, both fighting over Sierra. And Hayden is just laying it on like you will not win with them. You will not win with them.

And Tyson is getting so frustrated about it because he knows it's true, but he's got to keep it. And eventually they have the crazy rock draw and it was great. But that's what has to happen. The people who are the threats have to convince them that you are not going to win in this spot. And what's tough with Sue in this situation is Kyle, like that bridge has been burned. And so as long as Genevieve is working with Kyle, Sue is not coming over. Andy, I don't think realizes the dire position he's in, but if he did, I, I I'm not I don't know what happens but it looks like in the next one Andy's catching wind of I am in a weird spot and I have to start working with other people so

it seems like he may branch over to Genevieve and to Sam because Andy does seem like he's got game wits about him he's just in a rough spot yeah and I wonder going back to what you're talking about with uh trying to convince somebody to come over. And, you know, Genevieve has sort of like tied one hand behind her back of like, OK, I'm not going to make these emotional connections with a player. But, you know, these logical arguments aren't going to help change the way that people are feeling about things. Like it's going to take some kind of like emotional manipulation. Like it wasn't a logical argument that caused Eric Reichenbach to give up the necklace. That was like emotional manipulation that happened. And so, you know, for these players to like figure out a way out of this hole, like it's not going to be just talking about the numbers.

We'll see. Yeah. I'd love to talk about rachel's journey a little bit now hunter do you wish that you would have got this journey oh my goodness you got absolutely oh my i didn't realize i would have to have rote memorization planned there and so that's on me but i would have loved that one that looks like the ads that show up on my phone every now and then. It does. I literally play those games all the time. I can do that. Also, I love the timer method.

It was so cool. I wonder if Jelinski broke their hourglass and so they had to come up with a new method that couldn't be destroyed. But it was fun. That was such a great sequence of like there was so much drama with the anchors and the ropes and the thing coming off it was like an action move like mission impossible and then those are high stakes my heart was beating watching it yeah she's moving the stuff around and then she gets it she pulls the thing out and then the table like goes off she's like bye it's great i enjoy watching that i will say the the advantage which i'm not opposed to did feel kind of lackluster Bye. It's great. I enjoy watching that. That's amazing.

I will say the advantage, which I'm not opposed to, did feel kind of lackluster after all that. Like I was like, I was expecting something bigger this late into the game, but I'm fine with it. Yeah, just to block the vote. I mean, that is pretty big given how many people are left in the game. Yeah. Yeah. But it would have been bigger if it was like somebody else that got it

and not Rachel. I think it was not big because rachel's in like a cozy position but if like a genevieve or a sam would have gotten that it would have been major they still would have been out of out of the numbers because they've been four versus three then but yeah i see what you're saying okay so hunter this is what i was wondering with this vote block that she got so rachel comes back says hey bad news everybody i lost my vote what if she didn't tell block that she got so rachel comes back says hey bad news everybody i lost my vote what if she didn't tell anybody that she got the vote block they go to tribal council and she just blocks somebody's vote there ends up being only seven votes rachel's story is airtight oh that's true yeah because she lost her vote. But when did they come back? But she still had to go up to the thing.

Wait, wait, wait. So do they vote and that vote never comes out or they go up to vote and they say, you can't vote? Like, how does that work? I think you go up to your apartment that says you can't vote. Yeah, she goes up there and then she gets her thing. She says, oh, I can't vote. Go back to your seat.

And now if somebody, I don't know if people can, like you would know better than me about, can you see, did she pick up the pen and write a name down, a scribble? No, I don't know if people can, like you would know better than me about can you see, did she pick up the pen and write a name down, a scribble name down? No, you can't see anything. Okay. You can't see anything.

So yeah, I think she, I really feel like that she had the cover if she wanted to say. So you're saying, okay, so she could have, let me make sure I'm following. You said she could have blocked her own vote? No, blocked somebody else's vote.

Like, so she goes up there. Now, again, it doesn't really make sense in the way that this actual vote transpired. But if it was a close enough vote that she could say, hey, I voted. What are you talking about? I voted for Genevieve. And then somebody else's vote got blocked.

Well, she would say that she lost her vote. I'm sorry. Yeah, I lost my vote. What are you talking about? okay i'm following so like she could have voted block somebody else's vote and then pretended that but also jeff probably would announce that there was something used or would someone have no i thought they said that they weren't gonna say okay that's that's where the question is is if let's say tiffany blocked my vote do i know my vote if i go up there to say. Okay, that's where the question is. Let's say Tiffany blocked my vote. Do I know my vote? If I go up there and say your vote has been blocked? I think you'd go back and say, hey, they didn't

read my vote. Or is it just thrown out? Like it's just thrown in the trash? No, there's definitely going to be some type of parchment here that says you cannot vote, go back to your seat, or your vote has been blocked. I don't know. But I will say, it becomes infinitely, not infinitely, but a lot more powerful if they have a shot in the dark.

Because you take someone's vote away, then they can't use their shot in the dark. Yeah. So it would have been stronger if they still had their shots in the dark. Okay. The chat seems to say that in the booth, it would say their vote is blocked. Yeah. It would. It would be on the parchment.

Because when you can't vote, it says it. I don't think it's ever happened. Or is the chat somebody's i think that they're just going based off of what's usually going on in a booth when you don't have a vote or when you can't vote there's always a parchment that says you can't vote you're not allowed to vote somebody stole your vote like there's something but it does feel clunky because does that mean i get to go vote first so then I could pick who's I block so they know who to give it to because I don't announce it or do I have to say before because how do they put that parchment out like if you're voting before me Tiffany because it's always random

but I want to block your vote you have to be like hey wait Jeff just a second I need to run up there real quick and do something nothing conspicuous just I think I how I imagined it going was Jeff announces before anybody goes up to vote, like, hey, somebody has played a secret advantage and X, Y, Z, your vote is blocked. So everybody else, y'all go vote. But you sit down here with me. It would be interesting to see the mechanics of it. Even then, because do I have to say who's going to get blocked before tribal council? Like what if it's a live tribal council? Live tribal council. Yeah.

I feel like you. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe does Jeff say after the votes were counted? Like, all right, Sam, who did you vote for? Like, all right, Sam. Yeah.

Or like everybody gets to vote. Right. Everybody gets to vote right everybody gets to vote and then right before he reads them he'll say so-and-so's vote was blocked so it's not in this container it's like they know what our votes look like before we put it in the container so it's like as soon as that person walks out they just take it back out if rachel says she wants to all right the chat is saying that it says that the per when the person is blocked, they will find out when they go to the podium to vote. So they have to do it before.

He got to announce it before they go up to vote then, like I said. But then everyone knows if Rachel's like, hey, I want to block Tiffany's vote. Like when is not an anonymous advantage then? It's probably it says it was anonymous. It says they want to know who did it. But anyways, I don't i'm about to say this is speculation in this case okay could she go could she block kyle's vote and then kyle like kyle like he's not going to be able to tell anybody what happened uh and then she votes for votes out kyle's only seven votes nobody's any

the wiser yeah i don't think it makes sense for her to use it. Honestly. Yeah, save it for another day. What's nice with the numbers is that her vote was probably lost in the bottom. The majority has been reached before all the votes were read, and so she's probably like, my vote just didn't get counted. It wasn't pulled out.

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But Jelinski is a legend. And I do think they had to change the whole timer on the barge because he broke their hourglass. I will say that. Are you surprised they haven't said 40 several on the show at all this season? That is interesting. I am surprised. I'm not surprised. Because, I mean, it doesn't mean anything to them. Like it means stuff to us. Like, yeah, you're going to say that.

And we're all going to laugh and giggle because, but you say that to them, they just got out there. Do they, do they even know 47 is a thing because they just finished watching this. They didn't finish the whole season. They did because it was, it was a pole hanging challenge whenever Charlie made the joke about it. And they had the big laugh. He said, wait until season 47.

Yeah, I don't think it stuck with them. Okay, here's another question for you two about Spicy Jeff. Jeff was at his most spicy, I felt like, during Survivor 46. I thought we were going to come in and Jeff was going to be super spicy in Survivor 47. I feel like he hasn't been too spicy.

I agree. I agree. You all brought up the most spicy version of Jeff. And I'm like, dang, like, what did we do? What did we do that made Jeff want to turn up on us? They get an extra rise. They got double immunities. They get extra rides. They got double immunities. They get extra awards, auctions.

I'm like, well, we just like the problem child or something because what in the world? They got special intertribal rewards. They got the auction. Like crazy. Literally. I don't know, man. I think maybe

it's just because we was we just brought chaotic energy with us so it kind of maybe it it seeped into jeff and everybody else there maybe it's not nicer more calm so i don't know all right let's take some questions from the chat dolly has a question why would kyle vote for teeny what happened there i think that they just left Kyle out and Kyle was just like, I don't know what's going on, man. I'm just going to write Teenie name down. I think that was like a Hail Mary, like whatever happens, happens. Yeah, I think he was very caught up on the I'm working with Sam and I'm working with Genevieve and I'm not going to write their name down. And he probably knew Genevieve and teeny had some conflict and so although you'd wonder why he didn't write sue down but obviously i don't think kyle had the same animosity towards sue that

sue had towards kyle what'd you think about kyle when he talked about it like you have the opportunity to do uh like a a move that everybody would applaud oh like a crowd pleasing move yeah like don't do the simple easy thing do something like spicy but they did the simple easy thing yeah just keep kyle i mean yeah it was it was a hard like he had a hard sell at tribal they seemed like they were pretty set i did feel more like man he's in a rough spot okay this is an interesting question from paulo why do you think people in the game perceive andy as a goat while the show is portraying him as a contender? Where is the disconnect? So I to be really stuck on that Andy is somebody that we're dragging to the end. What do you make of that? And what can Andy do?

I don't think Andy should do anything. I think Andy is. Well, let me take that back, because the people in the game, how they perceive him right now is important, especially if they're going to the jury. Um, but I do think that the reason they are perceiving him the way that they are is because he's allowing them to. He's making all these moves undercover. He's explaining his thought processes. He's doing all this to the cameras and not to his fellow players. So right now their perception of him is the same Andy that came in from the merge with hanging on to Sierra and Sam's coattails and having anxiety attacks on the beach.

And they don't realize that he's kind of growing into this survivor player and he's not really doing anything to change their perception of him. Yeah. And he's really, he's told us many times, like nobody knows the game I'm playing. Nobody knows what I'm doing. And I think he's trying to change it, Hunter. I think he's told us many times, like nobody knows the game I'm playing. Nobody knows what I'm doing.

I think he's trying to change it, Hunter. I think he's trying to like, OK, let's vote out Genevieve. Let's I'm ready to make a big move. And people are not necessarily following his lead. Yeah, he's he's really having trouble getting traction. I mean, like even in this, he was making great cases as for why Genevieve should go, but it just was not gaining any kind of traction. But I think he's smart enough to realize that because in like in the cut for like the next time on Survivor, he seems like he has switched over to where he's giving Genevieve and Sam some kind of hope. And that may end up hurting him in the end.

But he is at least trying to make a move to make it make himself more visible. Yeah, I think it's been so interesting to follow him this season. Where do we think this story is ending? Does Andy get to the final three? I'm going to say I'm going to say no. I think this is just pure speculation, probably totally wrong, but I think he tries to make a move. I think he really tries to make something happen with Genevieve and Sam,

and I think the foreshadowing of the four girls going to the Final Four, it may be as soon as next episode whenever he gets caught up in it. Yeah. What do you think, Tiff? I actually am inclined to agree with that. I think because andy is starting to realize that you know this perception of him is what it is he might try to do something that feels a little bigger than what he's capable of doing right now or he's gonna try to make like a flashy move that might come back to bite him in the butt but i don't think he's

giving final three energy yeah not right now not based on what i bite him in the butt but i don't think it's giving final three energy yeah not right now not based on what i've seen in the preview tiffany did you keep up with big brother this summer i did i feel like and we talked about this back when he first had the meltdown on the mat and we talked about could andy be the angela Survivor? And I wonder if Andy ends up going, getting picked off at like, even, even as early as next week of like, uh, or final five, final six, and that they have to take him out because he's, he's made himself into a threat. And there's like a victory for Andy in like, ah, I was a threat that i worked all my way back from that nobody thought i was that i was a final three goat and now they had to take me out because i was going

to win i don't know if i would give andy the angela card because the thing about angela angela was a firecracker out in the open my My girl was causing drama right in front of your face. She did not care and she was blowing up any and everybody's game. Andy is causing like, you know, he's causing rifts. He's wreaking havoc, but he's doing this behind the scenes where nobody can see.

Nobody knows that he's doing this. He's not messy, messy. No, Angela was so openly messy. She was a threat she was like that she sat in the chair which is like i'm a threat julie uh she was uh so unhappy that's awesome yeah well i i think maybe next week that's what happens i like he looks like he's about to get messy like just from the preview of like something that's about to happen he is in it and maybe he'll have that little

redemptive arc. Because this is like Caroline said. She's like, I would rather go out playing my own game and basically be seen as a threat, as opposed to being taken to the end and not being valued in the game I played. This is true. Here's a question from Sabetasaurus.

Wants to know, for Hunter, similar to Kyle, you won or went far in multiple challenges at the start of the merge that had the same general skill set. How difficult would it have been to look at something that you knew you can win and guarantee safety,

but know you should throw it? Oh, man. So I would assume the throwing would happen earlier in the season, and I should have done that. I should have. the dynamics at NAMI needed to be worked out in a private setting before we got to the merge. We need to have had to have had a group counseling session with Jeff before merge. But it is hard. I whenever I got my clue to the idol that I had to lose in order to get the second clue, I talked to the camera and I was like, in order to get the second clue, I talked to the

camera and I was like, there's a good reason for me to throw it. But the only reason I would not throw it is if there's food. And then Jeff put out all the treats and all the pastries and stuff, and I couldn't give it up. But there is definitely merit to throwing a challenge. However, I will say in my mind, I, you can never predict how a vote will go. And so I wanted to make sure that I was giving my best self out there. And, you know, if I'm going to lose, I would rather it be because people saw me as a threat and challenges as opposed to me throwing a challenge and then randomly catching a stray and going home. Because I know, I know that I can't sleep now thinking about some of the things I did, but I can't imagine what it would be like that way.

And so it is a very hard balance to have. Yeah. To figure out. Well, that's throwing individual immunity challenges. But you mentioned about the NAMI tribe having issues to work out. This season, we saw all the tribes come in and have sort of like pretty level numbers

and it's been pretty wide open as far as things go. Do you have any thoughts about how to handle the throwing challenges in the pre-merge part of the game? Oh, I mean, like I said, I would be in favor of it if i was to replay the current season like i was just on but it is so hard to predict i don't know what the dynamics are because you've never gone to tribal there's still a lot of questions in the air and with something like the shot in the dark you're just unsure what happens i mean what was it 44 when uh was it brandon who went out first because of an idol no no sorry sorry they voted for him Was it Brandon who went out first because of an idol?

No, no, no, sorry, sorry. They voted for him first. They tried to get him out first. They tried to get him out first. And so it's so unpredictable in that. But I will say there's merit in going to tribal before the merge. A lot of merit in it. Well, what do you think about these tribes that you get to the merge

and then you start taking out the people from your own tribe uh to like and then you end up being less threatening right well is that an idea i would love to have thought that but that's not what happened with my we all started like whenever we got split up and I was by myself with the Yanu on ours, they voted Soda out. You would hope that this would cause this, oh, Nami's not dangerous. Nami's not dangerous. But it just continued because then Tevin went and then I went.

I mean, I love the idea of it because they did it with the Blue Tribe this season. Like, hey, we know we have to get rid of one of ours. Otherwise, it's going to look like we're in trouble. And that conversation was happening whenever they had Rachel in their grasp to vote her out. Should we still maybe take out one of our five? There is definitely merit to it just on a numbers point. But I mean,

Tiffany can attest to it. Like NAMI was in a point where it wasn't, it wasn't like NAMI as a cohesive group that people were afraid of. There was no fear. Nami was a mess express. It was bad. Were you scared of them? No.

No. The only person on Nami that I was scared of was Hunter. And that's only because Hunter was a challenge beast. But as far as Nami being Nami strong, it was very clear. From the moment we stepped on that beach, there was nothing strong about Nami. I mean, I don't know

how we won challenges. I don't understand it. My first three conversations at the Merge Beast was from three Nami people telling me not to trust other NAMI members. And I'm like, oh, they got problems over here. They hate each other.

Oh, dear. Just in time for Thanksgiving. We have a whole family together. Thanksgiving, NAMI at Applebee's. Is that happening? Yes, we need to make that happen. Bring the cameras. Y'all stay safe.

I'll be home. Let me know how it goes. Kevin has a question. In the last episode, we saw Andy and Sue bond. Could the wild plan alluded to in the preview be Andy using his relationship with Sue to turn her against one of Teenie, Caroline and Rachel? Could Andy flip Sue? Not a chance. Not a chance on this planet. I think that Sue is like one of

those players that's so loyal that once she decides she's loyal, if you even bring up the name of the person that she's loyal to, you're out of there. And that might be Andy's ticket home. If he tries to get Sue to turn on like a Rachel, somebody who Sue has already pledged her loyalty to because she shared this huge secret with her, she could go back and run, tell Rachel like, hey, Andy just said your name. I know we locked in and everything. And that could completely blow up Andy and Rachel's relationship. But there's not a chance that Sue flips. And I think a lot of Andy's relationships that he's doing a great job building, sadly, they're, they're the other way of what he's thinking where most of these people see Andy as like expendable or like someone I can sit with. And so they're willing to make these

relationships with them and work with them. And so, and from the preview, it looks like, uh, Andy's actually working with, um with Sam and with Genevieve. It seems like that's the thing going on. But maybe it is. I'd be happy to see something like that. I'd be surprised. Andy's so locked in on Genevieve. And she said his name and it got reported back to him.

Yeah, that's what's so weird is I'm like, wow, OK. And that's where I'm like, maybe Andy's catching wind that he's not a threat at this moment and has to do something drastic. But is it possible? I mean, we heard also in the preview, it's like, hey, this is the four women going to the end. Like, does he catch wind of that? Maybe. Maybe. I think he's savvy enough to pick up on that.

And he's like realizing this is not going to work for me. Yeah. But trying to break that up could really hurt him more than it could help at this point. And shouldn't the women let Genevieve in their alliance? Come on. Not if Teenie has anything to say about it. Oh, no.

If Teenie has a word. Teenie is tired of Genevieve's mess. Genevieve's so bad. Like, hey, come on, women's alliance. Let's do this. Yeah, right. Genevieve's been playing in Teenie faves since the beginning come on, Women's Alliance. Let's do this. Yeah, right. Genevieve's been playing in teeny fags since the beginning again. She is not even trying to work with her no more.

No, doesn't want to hear it. Okay. Elizabeth wants to know, are they really underdogs if they have the solid majority and all the power? Can the Kyles and Sams and Genevieves take underdogs back from the underdogs? and Sam's and Genevieve's take underdogs back from the underdogs? I think that the reason we're referring to them as underdogs is strictly from like the challenge perspective, like the stronger players or the people that have been put out in the forefront that have been winning challenges and pushing votes and stuff like that. Whereas this is a collective of individuals that are deciding things together.

So they were underdogs. But when we are using the term underdogs, we're talking about like the individual and not the collective. Yeah. Do you think it hurt them that Rachel was the one that won immunity? Because I feel like that Rachel could be the one person that those three could have started to. I don't want to say gaslight, but to start to like really like, Hey, you know, who's the real big threat around here. Rachel, Rachel's the threat and get somebody to like, uh, you know, you say it enough that maybe somebody starts to buy it, but then she wins immunity and it's like, okay, well now we're really screwed.

Or, you know, well, it works out because this just adds to the fact that she's a threat. It's like, Kyle, we hate it for you. And I ain't gonna work this round, but next time maybe we can convince her. We need to keep Kyle because he has to beat Rachel. Yeah. Genevieve was already pitching Rachel, wasn't she? Genevieve was, Genevieve

has been saying that Rachel's a threat. We gotta get Rachel, we gotta get Rachel. Maybe she brings that back up. Okay. Who's the biggest challenge threat now? A tribal Sam seemed to imply that he's gonna be viewed as a physical threat. But what even has he done to back up bona fides like that? that as far as challenges go the play field is pretty even now uh kyle was beasting sue has won uh you know before but there's no like in my mind there's no front runner that's gonna go out there and be like oh yeah they're definitely winning i mean granted sam is strong but he has not proven

himself to be a winner yeah i think with this shift because it's about it's bound to happen where it's like the obstacle course finished with the puzzle rachel i think with this shift because it's about it's bound to happen where it's like the obstacle course finished with the puzzle rachel i think it's going to shine in that her her like pre-merge performance with puzzles was at least everything that i can remember was pretty phenomenal so she'll have advantage in some some of those things and so she may actually go on a little bit of a run and then they're going to be in a lot of trouble hunter did you see any puzzles that you thought were particularly interesting this season? Did they do any new stuff?

Well, okay. So I would just mention the different ones that I like. I like the, well, all the puzzles. I find every puzzle fascinating. I love that they took the flame puzzle and just made it bigger. They're like, take the same idea and make it bigger. Was that the one that they couldn't get one piece into?

Yeah. Rome was sitting in front of it. Yeah. Yeah. That was tough. I like the ones where they stack the different shaped cubes that they couldn't get one piece into? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That was tough. I like the ones where they stack the different shaped cubes with the, I don't know, the knobs that stuck down and fit in the holes.

Really a cool one. Those are all fun. But my favorite thing, or I thought would be more of a factor than it actually was, where they had to build that circle and then throw sandbags through it. Oh, yeah, that was pretty cool. I thought it was going to be like more of a factor, but it happened like it only fell over once, and that wasbags through it. Oh, yeah, that was pretty cool. I thought it was going to be like a more of a factor, but it happened like one, like it only fell over once and that was kind of it.

And so I was a little bummed that that wasn't as big of a deal as I thought it would be, but it seemed like a really cool idea that they would probably bring back. What was something that happened this season that had the Survivor 46 group chat blowing up? Oh, well, see, we love to talk about ourselves and so they love well you know mentioning like big mistake was something and then mentioning the

tempur-pedic was another thing and then our cameos because we're a little conceited like that we don't want to make it about us but i mean the consensus has been we've been enjoying it it's been a really fun season yeah um this is a question that came up the other day about uh you know what what role is sierra going to have as the mayor of ponderosa and a little bit of this is just like, we sort of like, uh, get ideas sometimes outside of the game and run with it. Does the first person who is the mayor of Ponderosa soda in your case, uh, does that person have a lot of sway over how the jury thinks or operates? No.

I, well, all right. I'm not going to say no. I'm not, I'm going to say that that was not the case on our season. Yeah. I think that the people who come out later in the game actually have more sway because they've been in the game longer and have conversations for much longer that the people that have been at Ponderosa are not privy to. Like, for example, when I left, when Maria left, like people, you can share information when people at Ponderosa that they had no idea about, you know? So I think that that actually holds a little more weight because like we said, sometimes people play their cards so close to the vest.

At Tribal Council, you don't really know what's going on. Like you got to get it from the people that were having the conversations before they left yeah i think it might also might be a factor of like uh does the first person out or one of the early people out when they have very strong feelings about the other players who ultimately make the final two and are just like uh talking about how you know horrible they are for the entire to the entire jury could that be a factor and i don't get the sense that was soda no no not at all no it's definitely people that come out later that have way more way more sway and way more power okay yeah and i i find that it's the people that come out later in the game that's

when the animosity has time to build and build and build because you're that much closer. You're that much closer. And it's like by the time you that last person voted out, it's like nervous breakdown energy. Like I can't believe it. Like so I wasn't even trying to shut up. Like I'm just saying, like you have have more time like you don't have as much time to get over it like you know the longer you're at ponderosa the more time you have to sit with your feelings and the longer you're in the game the less time you have to deal with those feelings before you go to jury that's true yeah you know you don't you don't get that that time to cope and heal is there anything else that you two have seen from this season that you want to talk about?

I mean, I'm going to talk about this till I'm blue in the face, but I am tight that we didn't sent me home with the body weight, they decided to give out two immunities for a man and a woman and they only gave us one because if they would have gave out a man and a woman immunity on that challenge, I would have been safe. So I'm going to talk about that until the day I die, but that's it.

It's not right. Did they have a challenge? Did they do one challenge in your season where they gave out uh immunity to a man and a woman no all of our like double immunities when we were split in half yeah we we had a double elimination as well they were they were getting us out of there like tearing us up beating us upside the head i would say i feel like they've eaten more at least in the right at the beginning of the merge than I felt like. I think there have been a lot of food. Way more

rewards. Way more. I mean, good for them. We was angry, sad, beat up. But it's been fun. I've been enjoying this season so much. Yeah. Do you like being on this side of it? Being alumni who get to talk about what's going on? I do. I mean Do you like being on this side of it, being alumni who gets to talk about what's going

on? I do. I mean, you know, playing the game is fun. You're never going to not want to play the game, but it is enjoyable to watch the season as an alumni, because now you have insight and perspective that you never had as a fan. And you have a little bit more empathy for certain situations that you could never imagine as a fan. Because, you know, like Jeff always says, it's so easy to sit and talk crap on the couch. But once you've been out there, you've done it. It's like, dang, that's rough, but I get it. I get it. I did it. Like, you're not as hard on them. Yeah, it actually took me a little while to get into it because it made my stomach hurt.

Like thinking about, oh, I can't even like I can't say that was a bad move because I've made really stupid moves out there and i know why so it took some of the joy out of that but then it came back as you get over it yeah i've i've embarrassed myself on national television now i can pretend again like i know what's best for what they're doing out there did you both recognize a lot of locations in watching survivor 47 yeah yeah definitely especially like on the idol search like i'm looking around like i know where Did you both recognize a lot of locations in watching Survivor 47? Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Especially like on the idol search.

Like I'm looking around like, I know where that is. I know that location. It's kind of cool because it's like, oh, I was there. Yeah. And it's fun to see like whenever Andy falls out the first time, you see the group of camera guys that comes over and like they get the behind the scenes view. And they're like, oh, look, I know all those guys. Like I recognize them. Like I've recognized them. That was fun. Yeah.

All right. Well, this was super fun to go through this all with you both tonight. And do you have any questions for each other? Hunter and I text all the time. So there's no questions to be had that probably already haven't been discussed today. That's good.

This is such an interesting friendship that you two have. probably already haven't been discussed today. That's good. Yeah. This is such an interesting friendship that you two have of people who were not really like even in the game, unless we missed it. Like, no, we did not even friendly in the game. Well,

no, we were, we were friendly. Like, okay. So to give a little backstory, I would, whenever we had to go off on our own,

I was by myself away from Nami. Tiffany said the nicest thing to me anyone had ever said in the game. She came up to me very blunt like she is. And she said, Tim says he wants to write your name down. And I told him I'm not doing that because I'm not writing your name down. And she just walked off. I was like, that's the nicest thing I have ever heard. And I was so locked in with them.

But then again, you know, the game happens and people say things that aren't totally true. And so it kind of splits up. But we did come back and have a conversation before the inevitable doom. But it's like you go and don't read too far into this, but you can see by the closeness of people after the game, how long did they spend longer in the game or they get to spend longer at Ponderosa. Me and Tiffany got to spend a fair amount of time at Ponderosa hanging out and doing whatever. Without the pressure of the game, it does help friendships grow.

I do feel like in the history of Survivor, I feel like that when like threats go out like back to back, like I do feel like that there is like a bond over that like uh i was praying she went home with her eye though oh the way i was praying on my downfall so bad it's crazy i mean but when she i was like thank you i'm not the only one and the rest of them were just gifts because it for real i think aside from the fact that hunter and i have like way more in common than we ever thought it was the fact that we went out back to back with idols that we were able to kind of just look at each other like dang we are dumb as heck and we just like it was like instant

friendship and we just spent the rest of the time at ponderosa consoling each other and becoming besties. All right. Well, it's a great story. The chat is all saying like, this was so much fun to have you both here together. What about the amazing race? Hunter and Tiffany, amazing race team. Hunter and I have already solidified that if we were to ever do the amazing race, we would choose one another. There is no other option. Okay. Yeah. There you go. We would love to

so amazing race team if y'all out there tiffany and hunter we want we want to we want to see what's up okay we're the idol idiots that's our name let me tell you about what's coming up one week from tonight i'll be on the road again in houston texas for a live show. And so very excited about that. If you want to be there with us in person, rob is the website dot com slash Houston. OK, we had a lot of fun

last year in Chicago. That was fun. Chicago was so much fun. Oh, my gosh. It's a good time for everybody. It was a great time. We were out of the game by then. So it was easy for us.

Oh, yeah, it was great. We were having the time of our lives. All right. Then, of course, we great. We were having the time of our lives. All right. Then, of course, we're going to have plenty of Survivor coverage coming your way this week. You want to make sure that you are subscribed to WeKnowSurvivor.com for all things Survivor here on RHAP. In just two weeks' time, we're going to have our first Survivor 47 wand off. And we're very excited about that. Do you all know about the wand off?

I do not. That's our song parody contest. Wait, what? Song parody? Song parody contest. And we used to do it a lot in the 30s. And then it's gone away for a little while. But like the auction, we're bringing it back for Survivor 47.

And so listeners can submit their Survivor 47 song parodies at robiswebsite.com slash wand off. Oh, my gosh. You have got the wrong 46ers on here to talk about this. Oh, my gosh. This is so funny. Although Tiffany had a rap career. Oh wow. Hunter. Wow. Wow. That's crazy. I didn't have a rap career. I made one song. Yeah. Like, wow. No, I literally, I made one song. That's it. All right. That's Hey, that's more than most of us. Yeah. It's called money Flowers. It's on Spotify.

If anybody in the chat wants to go look it up, I'm proud of it. I made it for an art show in 2019. It was pretty cool. Okay. Money Flowers? Yes. Money Flowers by Tiffy Crazy Cool. Yes.

Okay. Look it up. All right. Then we've also got our realitytvnewsletters.com, the confessional where reality stars are writing about the shows they were on. And this week, this was very topical. I talked about how worse is closer to first. The best place to be is near the bottom after the merge in Survivor. Talked a little bit about this after Gabe went out, and I think it's even more relevant after Kyle went out.

So you can read that for free at realitytvnewsletters.com. Then the Survivor Q&A is going to be on, okay, episode 11, 11 a.m. appropriately, coming up on Friday. So be there with us for that. We'll send out the link on Patreon, robinswebsite.com slash patron. All right, this was such a fun night tonight,

and I'm so glad that you both were here with us for this. Tiffany, besides Spotify, what else do you want people to go check out? Just come hang out with me on Instagram. You know, all my socials

are Tiffany Crazy Cool. Let's let's chat. You know, I got some artwork for sale if you guys want to buy prints, you know, originals. I sell them all on my website. It's all my link in bio

in my on my Instagram. So go my link in bio in my uh on my instagram so go support your girl okay all right and what about for you hunter yeah instagram is the place to find me it's the at ph pack that i've got with my name handle right there it's a confusing one but yeah instagram is where i'm at if y'all want to come hang out and what are you doing on instagram anything i'm doing a lot of building projects so i teach but hunter's building a house yeah i don't she can't act like she's a fan of it now because earlier she was talking about how i shouldn't be skeptical but you're doing it yes why are you skeptical okay i have to get because hunter didn't go to school to build houses he's a science teacher i teach physics what

what else is there to know okay but it's my brother he's vibing leave him alone yeah yeah i i will take all right i gotta live in it hunter who will live in this house my so my brother-in-law or my sister and brother-in-law and their kid they're gonna it's not a very big house but we're uh helping them out with that and then we do stuff with the kids and come and check it out. I show some behind the scenes of some of the Survivor stuff I built with the kids. Tiffany got to come and see some of it. I did, it was so much fun.

Actually, the challenge from this current episode I had built for the kids out there. Yeah, Hunter is, and they're like full-scale challenges. This is not like some little rinky-dink stuff. I'm talking like huge monuments of challenges in the middle of the woods. They're insane. I think the hardest part of that challenge is spelling immunity backwards.

I think for me, as somebody who has played the challenge, I think it gets harder. Like it's the rope. The balancing of the rope, the higher it gets, the more tumultuous it is. Let me give a survivor hack, Hunter. Peridium, feel free to use this. Survivor, future Survivor player, get it? Immunity backwards tattooed on your arm. That is smart.

Think about it. That is smart. I like that. I like that. Maybe you need it, maybe you don't. You know. But you need it, maybe you don't. You know. But you know what?

I personally would not do that because then I would just constantly be reminded of the fact that I did not play my immunity idol. And it would be a taunt for the rest of my life. Basically. Yeah. What does YMM do? Okay. All right. Thank you so much for joining us, everybody.

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