RHAP: We Know Survivor - TV for Real: Rebranding PSAs with Owen Knight

Episode Date: November 17, 2024

TV For Real is back with hosts Mike Bloom and Sasha Joseph, joined by Survivor 43's Owen Knight. This episode dives into the intersection of reality and scripted TV, with Owen sharing his recent wedding bliss and childhood TV influences. The trio reminisces about beloved shows like Arthur and the quirky charm of PBS programming, while also exploring the impact of educational TV on their formative years.

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I know. Oh my, listen, the coven came together, but we were missing one witch. So you'll be back soon. We got to run it back. It was so much fun. Again, thank you to Franny and Jason for stepping in.

That was just so much fun. But another fun week today. I'm ready. Yeah, we have no Franny, but we have an F.O.F., a friend of Franny and a survivor in his own right. And look, TV for Real is all about the marriage of reality and TV. And we're talking about a guy that recently is living in his own wedded bliss from Survivor 43,

the one, the only Owen Knight. Hello. Hello. Yes. Thank you, Mike and Sasha for the congratulations for having me. own wedded bliss from survivor 43 the one the only owen knight hello hello yes thank you mike and sasha for the congratulations for having me uh i guess yeah two weeks ago today was my wedding and it's uh it's gone very fast we've been a little sick honestly um just like the post wedding exhaustion election time daylight savings all these factors coming together so we've just been like laying low a little bit which has been nice but yeah honored to to be here back with rhap on another show and um just getting a yap about tv i was gonna say a lot a lot less high pressure than your other villain spot that you had this week this is much more of the party in the back than uh the know-it-alls which is very

much the front yeah exactly happy to be here on the back side of the mullet for today owen owen has been killing it this week on our like the the rhab extended universe right i told sam more like hey i probably can't do anything until after i get married and then as soon as i did here here i'm back i'm back i missed it i missed it well owen let's let's rewind back even before you know uh your wedding it. Well, Owen, let's let's rewind back even before, you know, your wedding, even before that, before you were on Survivor. Let's go back to the early days of Owen, a childhood that we know all too well from what you've talked about on the show. But talk to me about some of the shows that made you. What's like the first thing you remember watching when you were a kid that you were like a huge Mondo fan of?

Arthur, 100 percent Arthur. watching when you were a kid that you were like a huge mondo fan of arthur 100 arthur so i am an only child and we did not believe in cable television and uh so i really just had the network stuff and pbs was the bread and butter so obviously like yeah mr rogers sesame street but arthur was like my show like I watched Arthur all the time I thought Arthur was like me like I felt very analogous to Arthur we both wore glasses so obviously we're the same and that's basically it yeah that's all you need it's a circle yeah and so that that was very formative and I definitely watched Arthur for too long you know like like there was definitely I was like in like middle school being like referencing Arthur and people like you still watch Arthur like yeah bro it's

good um even like the postcards from Buster spin-off oh yeah um so that's like the first show I really remember like loving loving um there's a lot more but did y'all or were y'all big Arthur people because I feel like we're all ballpark similar ages right well that's the thing is that uh i mean oh and first off there is and maybe this is showing my own fandom a bit there is an arthur episode that is pretty much what you're talking about with uh there's a show tell tubby's analog called the love ducks that are just like i don't want to know about this uh but yeah i was a huge fan of it i have a younger sister as well so i think my tail end of your experience was a bit tailored to that. But what's also interesting is I was actually in Boston a couple of weeks ago.

And of course, Boston, home of WGBH, which was like one of the main curator of a lot of this PBS content in the 90s and 2000s. Yeah. And they have Boston Mass 02134, shout it out. And they have at the Boston Children's Museum, they have like an entire Arthur exhibit uh so it's very much reawakening that part inside of me certainly hell yeah oh my god i should have worn my arthur shirt i do have uh my sorority uh every like our philanthropy is um children's education and literacy so every year we'd have like some children's based uh theme so we have shirts that say having fun isn't hard when you've had a library card amazing so does it all say that on one shirt or is it like back in front no like no it's just like it's a circle so like having fun

when you've had like if you had a shirt that just said having fun isn't hard on it like in college it works and i'm just kidding that's another show like having fun isn't hard on it like in college it works and I'm just kidding that's another show having fun isn't hard but you know I am right now and then it's just Arthur vibe so I was introduced to Arthur a little bit like because uh I don't remember having Arthur in India that's where like I grew up. But as an only child, same. Oh, and I was just like would watch anything and everything that was on TV. Cable, I think, works a little bit different in India where it was just like whatever is on is on.

And thankfully for me, maybe not for my mom, but my mom worked a lot. So I was with my grandparents during the day and it was just me whatever I wanted to watch I was watching so there's a lot of these little shows uh that I remember seeing a little bit of it's just I wasn't allowed to watch like the American channel which had all these shows but but Teletubbies I was too old but I was fascinated by them so I was watching that shit like crack it was amazing yeah PBS had some bangers I remember the boomafu was one I enjoyed dragon tales I was a little too old for um but then the kids wb uh hour was big for me.

You know, you had Pokemon, you had static shock. I love static shock, Jackie Chan adventures. Um, there was a lot of good stuff out there, but, um, yeah, I, the, the, it's funny you mentioned Boston. Cause yeah, that, that was, I used to think the kids on zoom were like the SNL cast or something like, like those kids were like, yeah, there was so distinctly behind the scenes. Right. Exactly. Just rampant, rampant drug use. But no, I, I even remember some of their names and I was like, that kid looks so cool,

but yeah, it's so, it's so funny just the way that that worked out. And then yeah, survivor was one that I picked up at an early age and then kind of fell off with, but I remember just I it was it was so interesting and well I guess I didn't talk to you about this pregame Mike because you just submitted your questions but yeah just like falling in love with it as a little boy for challenges and girls in bikinis and the beach and like you know the like just like the aesthetic stuff and then finding it again at like 24 and then realizing like oh wait strategy is a thing

that occurs on this on this show as well um so yeah it's it's been kind of nice like having this this like through line through my life of survivor but having kind of two chapters to it but then for me i'm someone who still really enjoys watching challenges and like some of the more like surface level things of the show because it almost like brings me back to like being a little kid, like counting the vote tally on my hands as votes got read off and stuff. Yeah. So I'm intrigued just going back from the Zoom perspective. Like, did you ever try to apply or send anything there? Because I think like, could that be a direct pipeline to you

sending an application to Survivor decades later? No, I never did. I think I think I wanted to do the Kids Jeopardy. Like, I forget what they called it, but like the Jeopardy Kids edition. But I remember there was a kid at my school, William Bartlett, who was like the smartest kid ever. And he had an older sister named Katie

who like made it to the finals, but then she didn't get on the show. And I was like, well, if Katie Bartlett cannot get on Jeopardy, like I'm never going to get on Jeopardy. and i think i i don't know if this is 100 true but this feels accurate to my like nine-year-old headcanon but i feel like my mom used it a tiny bit used jeopardy a tiny bit as a guilt to make me keep going to church because she's like they always have bible categories on jeopardy so you need to make sure you like know the bible and she's not like hyper religious but i think she was disappointed that i didn't like take to

church very much so i think that was like her last like stand of trying to keep me engaged was like well if you ever want to win jeopardy you need to like know the basics of the bible honestly that's so smart i can't genius it's a good strategy. Didn't work, but I applaud the attempt. Listen, oh my gosh. Or yeah, my mom did the just like straight up. I will not be paying for all the extracurriculars unless you go to like synagogue or do. I was like, unless you go on Jeopardy.

No, I wish. No, it would be more like. Not go to the mall until you apply to Jeopardy. If you don't go to like Hebrew school then you're not getting like to get a run track or even in college I couldn't do sorority stuff if I didn't go to like the hell basically yep so it was like you can't pay your dues if you don't go to hell incredible that's why yeah I'm curious y'all's opinion because I grew up in a in a pretty Jewish town and a lot of my closest friends from growing up are Jewish but I feel like it's pretty incredible that's i is yeah i'm curious y'all's opinion because i grew up in a in a pretty jewish

town and a lot of my closest friends from growing up are jewish but i feel like it's pretty ubiquitous that no one i knew enjoyed going to hebrew school like literally not a single person like is do you have any friends that were like yay like or is it just kind of boring like no one likes it well first of all i think like anything that ends in school, unless it's like ice cream school, kids that are that age are just going to immediately get turned out. Like, I think we need a rebranding. Don't even get me started, please. I also did, oops, get kicked out of Hebrew school in India.

Maybe I wasn't the most kindest to the boys. Well, they probably deserved it yeah I was bullying arguably wouldn't you need to be kept in the class the most like you need to learn the most from the Torah and their learnings why are we casting

this person out it wasn't like necessarily I think how it is in America Hebrew school so I think it was a little bit more loosey goosey again, because probably just not that many people to teach and stuff like that. So, yeah, I just they were like me. They talked to my mom and I was like, maybe she should just keep doing track. And she's got fast legs and a fast mouth. Let's just work out how to run her that far she knows how to run her mouth she

knows how to run period oh my god but i i love going to services which is funny but yeah all that extra stuff i can't so that's really funny that you bring that up what's so interesting for me was i certainly remember growing up like there were channels of you know educational variety for christians uh you know there was a bunch of what was it like the book of virtue i remember is i think it was tales of virtue whatever it was i remember there was a talking buffalo that taught stories out of the bible and i was like why do they have this like this is so much more entertaining and palatable than going to sit in like a cold room that's the thing is that you don't want to go to school on one of the only two days of the week when you're not already going to school if someone

was like hey uh yeah can you come in from like 9 to 12 on saturday and do sunday work do you think anyone's going to go to sunday work at all or at least have the initiative to do so yeah not at all it's I as a I did like Sunday school teaching uh for to just make a little bit of money when I moved to San Francisco originally because it's expensive to live here and I literally was like I don't want to be here why does anyone else like these and they're paying me yeah literally and and I like quit obviously very quickly but no I I completely understand that I think it's really interesting because growing up for me I remember watching a lot of Cartoon Network like that was also my jam India had a lot of like like kids tv shows um that were

spinoffs of American shows so we had this called Karishma Ka Karishma which is the Vicky who's the robot right that she comes to live in the house Small Wonder we made Small Wonder in India and she had the same outfit the red shirt with the white

the same exact outfit everything so they had a few things like that and but cartoon network i think about captain planet and how much like i learned from that like what happened to all of these shows because again because when you brought up the election but i think a lot about like how millennials grew up and the shit like the good stuff that we were watching right i feel like from jump and learn things yeah so i you know i'm sure i sound like a boomer saying that but it's just it's really interesting because i wasn't even looking up like yeah what

the heck were we watching in the 90s and then it's just like a guy like a bro Popeye that was like you should eat spinach bro I don't think I've ever heard Popeye describe it it's probably not a bro total Chad if Popeye existed nowadays like he would be

one of these like fitness influencers plugging supplements Sigma male all of that all of that risen up olive oil olive oil is a total trad wife just waiting to pick between

blue toe or oh my god oh did you guys know Johnny Bravo had a whole him going to Bollywood storyline no that's incredible it's funny you mentioned Johnny Bravo because have y him going to Bollywood storyline. No. Look, that's incredible. It's funny you mentioned Johnny Bravo. Have you all seen that fitness influencer who dresses up like Johnny Bravo?

What? And that was the first time he's so funny. He's gone viral on like on TikTok. I forget his channel, but he's got the mannerisms down perfectly. But it's like, wow, I hadn't thought about that show in forever. So they had a whole like Bollywood crossover. That's incredible. Yeah, he like went to India.

It's so interesting because I think on paper, people might look at that outside of our generation and be like, what kind of crap are you watching where this raging misogynist just spent entire episodes of television mercilessly hitting on women. But the point was the butt of the joke was that like he never

got with anybody I'm pretty sure like the one time he did and I may be talking out of my ass here I'm fairly sure there was an episode where he like struck up a fairly solid consummated relationship with a deer with like a literal

doe I'm fairly sure Johnny Bravo may have fucked a deer. This is getting clipped. I definitely missed that one. Oh my god. Oh my god.

Johnny Bravo is the most unserious person. Down bad, as the kids would say now. Correct. And zero riz. Like, none. Oh, yeah. So I'm looking it up. Yeah, there was one time that Johnny Bravo got catfished by an antelope.

Jesus. Oh, yeah. Johnny Bravo, dear woman. Look at these videos. Oh, the pictures are crazy, y'all. I'm looking this up now. Uh-uh. Oh, my God. She's licking his face.

Yeah, that's exactly the one I saw. Oh, my God. But, you know, desperation. I love the antelope. Man. But what I do find interesting is that going back to your point, Sasha, about Captain Planet, like, there was something about, like, I don't know, edutainment

and, like, specifically the shoehorned in don't know edutainment and like specifically the shoehorned in psa's like i know that gi joe was a bit before this time but like they would always have stuff i think even like the old teenage mutant ninja turtles uh show had just like dedicate two minutes at the end where it's like hey kid angels dust will turn you into an angel because it'll kill you and it's like like, okay, thanks Rocksteady. I won't do angel dust. And as wild as it is. Yeah,

I guess it did have a bit of an impact. You know, I think the Reagans are responsible for a lot of things. And one of them being that they were able to conquer a full frontal assault on drugs based on the stuff they put it across television. No one in our generation has done drugs. That is true. Exactly. No. Dare worked. based on the stuff they put it across television no one in our generation has done drugs that is true exactly we're all so chaste dare worked dare it's funny i i missed dare like my grade i think they stopped doing dare the year before i got to fifth grade or whatever and i was i remember being

so mad that i didn't get a dare t-shirt because the dare t-shirt like that it was like you know you wore it's like yeah that it was like you know you wore it's like yeah like it's like I'm naughty I bought the candy cigarettes from the ice cream truck you know and then I I didn't get one and I was so bummed about it because then I just had boring ass health class um do y'all did y'all watch the health video so tv related but um it was called am i normal am i normal was the name of the the sex ed video yes i my friends and i found it on youtube like in late high school and watched it again and it's just it's incredible like i just the dialogue is so terrible and um so like what so we got am i normal instead of dare describe tocribe to me. So like, is this live action?

Is this a cartoon? It is. It is live action. And there's a very concerned young man, like, you know, in gym class and in the locker room. Let me see. Am I normal? 1979. Is that right?

I found. OK, I found something. Let me see if I can show. I'm on the IMDb. Oh, my God. A film about puberty for boys is is this what you're talking about a film about male puberty 13 year old Jimmy has a lot of questions it sounds familiar because I'm looking at I'm looking at this in particular and it's like oh this this rings a bell this rings a bell but um this is what we had instead of dare i guess but oh my god um again i of course missed the dare because i moved here in the ninth grade but

in oklahoma um unfortunately we had a drunk driving thing but they had like a straight up crashed car in the middle of campus. Oh, we had that too. I forgot about this until you just talked about it because I remember showing up to campus and I missed an email. I missed something. I don't know.

But next thing you know, I'm walking to class 9 a.m or whatever and this car is like beeping at me and it's just like if you drunk if you drink and drive this is what will happen yeah we had that too they ours was called every 15 minutes and every 15 minutes throughout the day they took someone out of class and then I guess they had been pre-picked but then they came back like painted like white like like white makeup to look like they were dead yeah it was terrifying it was terrifying and then they had a parent of a of a former student who had died in a drunk driving accident come and give a whole assembly it was very yes very impactful so i i had that

too well first off i we need to take a second to focus on whatever odd like theater is going on with that. Yeah. Like did people opt into this or was it like you get out of class? No, I think they opted in. They opted in. It wasn't just theater kids. I remember my friend Gabby did it,

but then once they got pulled out and like painted white, then they couldn't talk the rest of the day. And then you'd be like, Hey, what's going on? You know, like what? Oh my God. And then they were, they were dead that day and it was just like oh like it was very jarring it was very jarring yeah that sounds wild i mean my experience with that is uh listen uh as as much as dare made an impact in my life there might have been a couple times when i imbibed in something green in high school and i had a free period one particular day

uh when i heard there was a boring assembly coming up and so i thought like all right maybe this'll this'll make the medicine go down a little better only to find out it was a mother's against drunk Mothers Against Drunk Driving assembly. And I could not keep it together. Oh, my God. I had to leave. I had to leave in like three quarters of the way through. It was the worst possible time I could have picked in eternity. I don't know if I I ever be burned in my brain to replace some of those memory cells I lost

that day it was God maybe that was like starting by the beginning of the end of my time taking in podcast were you a senior were you a senior that year oh yeah yeah had you gotten into college already were you like yeah I was early decision like second half of the year was

senioritis on senioritis and so i was like surely there'll be nothing traumatizing if i just imbibe a little bit the ganja before i take in this educational assembly so i think it's safe to say if there was a crash car on my high school campus i would have like had full-on agita like i think i just would have like i might have turned into the real life version of those, those white face kids by the end of it. Oh my God. Calling all sellers. Salesforce is hiring account executives to join us on the cutting edge of technology. Here, innovation isn't a buzzword. It's a way of life. You'll be solving customer challenges faster with agents,

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would they be receptive to like, if we brought back PSAs at like, the end of their favorite YouTube videos or whatever shows are popular nowadays? They need something. Cause they the the uh what is it gen alpha brain rot is very much a real thing i love watching the tiktoks from like teachers and sasha i've done you work with kids in some kind of like i used to yes you used to yeah yeah yeah yeah i used to work with teens yeah and they're just i but i maybe we sounded like that when we were around that age but to me it's just like oh my god they don't know anything like it's kind of jarring it's a little

jarring so i worked with them during covid so you can only imagine they really didn't know anything well and that's that's the thing is like i make jokes about these kids but it's a lot of it's not their fault like if i had to do online school when i was like 12 like good god probably would be illiterate now so what what do you think it should be should like mr beast i mean he's got a lot of things to atone for but should he go like go hardcore like yeah cocaine is it where it is kids like do we reach them through the influencers or are there other pieces of media that like should they should the minions come out at the end of despicable me five and talk about the merits of protected sex listen you don't want a bunch of minions yeah oh my god you know what you're welcome as sex ed that was the greatest slogan

and maybe maybe the kids will like that maybe they'll remember it i'll tell you that yeah see that's the thing is i think that all of us we kind of had it so shoehorned in our faces and granted it was through like the fact that there were only a couple of mediums that you could really get to us by now it's a much more wide-reaching influence so maybe like i don't know mandate so every show has to do it at the end well i think about like i still remember the commercial where the kid is brushing it was like a little psa on pbs where the kid is brushing his teeth and he leaves the water running when he's brushing his teeth and it shows the water out of the pond in his yard going away.

And like the fish dying in his yard as he's like wasting water. And it's like, don't waste water. And it's like, oh, God. And I still think about that when I brush my teeth now. I'm like very anal about turning the water off. Yeah, me too. Yeah. Because you can't kill the fish in your backyard.

Yeah, I wonder if that's the case. Do we need like more guilt? Guilt. Yeah. Yeah. Fear you can't kill the fish in your backyard. Yeah. I wonder if that's the case. Do we need like more guilt? Guilt. Yeah. Yeah. Fear based PSAs. I really want to know this, right? Like, I feel that our generation, this is such a like ridiculous podcast now.

I love it. But, you know, I feel like our generation smoking was the thing that I feel like we did a good job to be like no not that we don't do it in maybe other forms but I feel like just that cigarette like I think that Marlboro cigarette yeah version of smoking I feel like was not as um celebrated when I feel like I was growing up and even in college like folks just weren't necessarily doing that particular thing versus now the vaping. I'm like, bring back those ads. Yeah.

Where's truth.com? Yes. I feel like truth.com. Where's that lady with the frying pan? Where's the flat girl? Remember that lady with the like thing in her yeah yeah her throat terrifying yeah we need to traumatize more kids i think is what we're getting at here i'm with you listen sammy just walked up and shook her head she's like what the hell are y'all talking about well i i do want to

ask about that oh and it's a really nice segue because you are recently married i feel like this is something actually sasha that you and i haven't spoken about but i am so intrigued to hear about each of our individual as a couple habits when it comes to watching a show you know are you people who will watch shows together is there any sort of trust loss when like one of you decides to watch a show and the other one doesn't how i would say let's start with this owen what percentage of the tv you watch a show and the other one doesn't? I would say, let's start with this, Owen. What percentage of the TV you watch nowadays is done with Sammy? Probably like 90%, I would say. So for me, it's categorizing shows into Owen shows.

And then there's the fully watching together shows. And then there's the half watching shows, which I feel like are pretty critical to the relationship where our shows where I'm interested in watching. Sammy's kind of interested in watching and she'll be like on her phone and kind of paying attention. So, for example, Severance cannot be one of those shows. You know, Severance is a full watch. Put the phone down. Pay attention the whole time kind of show versus like if she checks her phone through 95 percent of Big Brother. Who cares? You know, it's yeah. So that's that's it. kind of show versus like if she checks her phone through 95 a big brother who cares you know so

um it's yeah so that's that's it and then i watch just like random action stuff like on my phone when i'm gaming or something like that so um we mostly watch shows together i would say which is really nice um because we do like a lot of the same stuff it's just mostly like when things are like too realistically violent that those are the ones that she uh can't do as well yeah sasha what's your percentage impossible right at this point no um maybe five percent we watched together like below like we literally i think could name five shows because my husband wasn't necessarily a tv person before he met me and then he was like oh the only show funny enough we talked about on our first date that my husband watched was love and hip-hop atlanta and i thought i was the only person in the world that watched that show

obviously not because it's really popular especially at that time but but that's the only show he used to watch and then he met me and poor guy is like inundated with all the shows so we have food shows that I think like you Owen I cannot watch without him and Below Deck is the other one now that

I cannot watch without him unfortunately even though I have to podcast about it so those were those were our only ones. He literally does not care about any shows like that. And then he has like sci-fi shows that I cannot like just it's too. Please be

serious. But yeah, are you I feel like you and Angela do a lot of shows. I want to. Yeah, it varies. Like what I would say is it's interesting, Sasha, what you brought up about Below Deck. What will usually happen is is it's interesting, Sasha, what you brought up about below deck. What will usually happen is that we'll watch shows together, but more often than not, one of us will have already seen it. So it varies from a couple of perspectives.

For me, it's like, OK, I'm watching this episode early for something like I'm watching it the day it comes out because I have to cover it in some way or I get the chance to watch the screener. And now I'm sort of watching it for the second time for angela it's that like sometimes she will watch a bunch of shows like in the background while she's working and so she checked out before me bridgerton's a great example where she like watched all of season three and i was like okay now i want to watch because suffice to say also like i it takes me a little while to come around on shows that i don't immediately have to cover. And so, yeah, it ends up being this, this odd thing where like, we're each doing this tango of trying not to reveal to the other person, like, okay, you should watch this part or like, I want to get your reaction for this one in particular,

without necessarily cluing into being like, hey, this is something that I want a reaction out of you with. We're not going to do like the full red wedding, pulling out the phone and videoing their reaction. But you do feel a little bit, especially when you know the person really well, you could sort of feel in your peripheral, right? The eyes watching, watching the screen. A hundred percent. That happened to me yesterday, actually.

I had one of the Mission Impossible movies up when I was just like doing work. And it was the scene in where Tom Cruise and Simon Pegg are invading the Kremlin. And they've got this like like screen that is projecting the image behind them. And Simon Pegg gets his face in it and it like projects his face. But I told Sammy like, oh, there's a funny part coming up about three minutes too early for it to happen. So I felt so bad because she's there like attentively watching.

And then it's just them in silence scooting forward scooting forward and then eventually his face pops up and it's like she didn't even laugh because like the funny part arrived so late but yeah it is weird when you have put like you do want to see the reaction and you want it to be genuine but then by wanting to capture the genuine reaction it loses some of its genuineness if they like pick up on it so it's like it's a weird dance you have to do um but mike you had mentioned like i forget if you use the word betrayal or not but like you that was an element of the question and i actually noticed the other day sammy had started the diplomat with carrie russell

and she's on season two already and i was like wait i loved her in the americans like wait i might want to watch this and i was like you just because i didn't think that would be one she would want to watch period let alone without me so i was a little taken aback but um yeah that's that's the tough thing is yeah that happens you get a glimpse of like oh you're making some assumptions right now and it's listen what i will say is that it you know with time time heals all wounds like it'll happen many more times and eventually either she learns the taste that you have or or vice versa and you learn that like uh listen it's it feels like it's an ocean of content that just keeps filling up with more water every day the opposite of your psa and so like it's all about just treading water

sometimes so like if they're swimming in a different part of the ocean yeah you could eventually swim your way over there or you might just be able to only doggy paddle through the other things that are pouring in in your particular wheelhouse that's sage mayor's advice yes i always get to use the excuse of you take too long to finish a show and i just i have to get through it and sometimes i lie and say it's for a podcast because then that really gets me off the hook but other times I'm like you're only free at night and I go to bed early so like no that's that's what happens with us as well is that usually I'll only want to watch stuff at night and I am also I think I've talked about this on podcast before but I'm like such an anti

binger um I am someone who like will watch max two episodes of something a night because like i don't want everything to run together in my head so it's like all right so i'm not we're not gonna fly through everything in a day it does help though when sometimes when you have people in the know like when i watched the final season of the crown angela basically stopped me at one point she's like yeah that was pretty much the best episode of the season so you don't need to watch the rest it's fine i'll tell you what happened like, all right, I'll take your word for it. You know me well enough that I'm good enough to quote unquote waste three more hours on this.

That's tough because as much as I don't want to waste my own time, I have a hard time abandoning a show, even if I know it's not going to do that. But Sammy will do what you're saying. And she'll like full on spoil herself on something. If she's not feeling it, she'll like go on Wikipediaikipedia and just be like yeah whatever i'm done sometimes if a show is taking too long to get to the point or especially i think i'm more like this with movies than i am a show but i'll be like no it's taking too long i'm still gonna watch it but i just i'm gonna read what's going on

uh just so i can like get through this so yeah that the horror movie uh oh my god with james what is his name um oh my god whatever anyway there was this horror movie and it was taking too long and i was like i'm scared but i'm not scared enough to keep going yes oh split maybe split thank you oh no not split split actually scared me this is the recent one that you did the new one yeah yeah yeah uh speak no evil that one and i was just like oh my god it's taking too long what's going on like i just let me read it and i was like oh that's interesting enough i'll keep watching that's interesting because i i'm the same way though like i'm so much more willing to give a show hours and hours to get good versus a movie

i am much more impatient even though you're thinking about like the number of minutes you're putting into it it's like i i'm so interested by the psychology of like our tolerance for a show to develop versus a movie it's it's weird it's like it's like counterintuitive yeah i and it's it's interesting because the narrative has shifted, but it also hasn't, where it's like, to your point, Owen, oh, it's a six-hour movie. And so if you feel dissatisfied with the first hour, well, good news, it's just the first part of the movie. Whereas I think because a movie is supposed to be

one succinct, singular experience, there are loftier expectations to like have you hooked and keep you hooked for a portion of time whereas a tv show they're relying on at least a little bit of loyalty and like oh don't worry it's coming down the line we just have to plant the seeds first before things grow that's a really good point the whole don't touch that dial of it all but it's in like it's just i guess it's just different in the streaming age where they release all 10 episodes at once you know it's like you and there's so much more out there it's in like it's just i guess it's just different in the streaming age where they release all 10 episodes at once you know it's like you and there's so much more out there it's just like different and that loyalty is harder to come by i guess which is really interesting and i think i

talked about this like uh when jeff does your favorite thing oh in the live survivor after show where he's my favorite where he's like if you're just joining us and it's like who nowadays is randomly channel surfing and we'll be like oh yes i found survivor at 10 45 p.m let's see i'm let's see who won this the where i missed the first half of the finale what's going on right now it just feels like that is sort of power lines that has yet to work its way out of the system of television uh despite the fact that yeah it's something that doesn't feel work its way out of the system of television uh despite the fact that yeah it's it's something that doesn't feel necessary in a day and age where like you can seek out the content that you want and not just randomly find it while you're you're going through

things mike speaking of seeking out content i wanted to ask you if you've watched um culinary class wars yet because i know we've done the top chef podcast oh yes i have not uh give me the give me the pitch on it okay so yeah the pitch is have either of you watched physical 100 on netflix yeah uh not all of it but you're familiar with the concept so it's basically physical 100 with chefs to where they are competing in all of these very well-designed culinary competitions a la Top Chef, but it's 50 or sorry, 80 black spoon chefs who are not like super renowned. They are, some of them own restaurants, but one of them's a lunch lady and a YouTube guy and this and that. And then there are 20 like elite level Korean chefs and they are competing and they've got these different rounds and it's i think maybe 12

episodes but the challenges i thought were very well designed there's a restaurant wars-esque episode there's head-to-head elements there's team elements they have one where the translation ended up just saying room of meat competition um so it was it was great it was really really really good um so sammy and i binged that last week and uh i was i was hooked actually kelly wentworth was the person that first i saw recommended it uh she put it on like her instagram story or something and uh yeah i loved it and um edward lee from top chef oh um is uh is on and uh yeah it was great highly recommend okay this looks really cool yeah i just looked it up i love a good cooking show well i think as well like the idea of i guess the the

class war aspect of it right like there's an underdog narrative that's kind of baked in as well i mean there is a very scripted element to that almost of like all right this group are the up-and-comers and these are the people kind of looking to defend their throne i mean that's sort of just reality tv storytelling 101 is baking that narrative much like the many baked goods i'm assuming they make on this show exactly yeah you get that natural inclination to root for people and i thought they did a good job exploring the cast because that was one of my like gripes with physical 100 is like it's so hard to like feel invested in in so many people and you can only know so many and you kind of get a hint of who's going far but I feel like they did a pretty good job of spreading

the love but I will say one of my favorite things about Korean shows is um watching them replay the same moment over and over from different angles so you see everyone going whoa and like from different angles and TV shows do the same. It's so funny. They could save a lot of minutes by just cutting it down. But I think it adds to it where you see the reactions of like everyone. But yeah, I really I really loved it. And I feel like the good Korean stuff on Netflix has been so good.

Mm hmm. I mean, in Korea, I mean, K-dramas anyway have been taken off so everything coming out of I feel like entertainment wise in Korea and CNN hell is just killing it right now and feels like what everyone should be tapped into my mom's really into K-dramas and watches them like I think on yeah on Netflix as well so she's always like no watch this show and that show because sounds very similar to Indian soap operas where yeah they just Indian soap operas run I think year round and they go every single day of the week or the week days so not weekends so they have five days whatever the math is on that and it five times yeah whatever and that's why

they have to show i think every angle and the story doesn't really move forward because there's so much to cover so they're like you just replay this moment and fill some time by showing it five times in a row like literally one one whole script was this this daughter-in-law washed like literally like doing the dishes a laptop oh my god incredible yeah the whole premise of soap operas reminds me of this podcast i i once listened to over covid called sleep with me where this guy tells you nonsensical non-linear stories to help you fall asleep because it's like mentally impossible to follow um that's what soap soap operas feel like to me where it's just like you don't know where the storylines are going they don't make sense random characters get introduced but i love it when um cbs used to have survivor people show up on on days of our lives or whatever you like don't miss it tomorrow

siree comes into the whatever it's just like what like why how like what's this gonna do i never watched any of it but i was i was always entertained by the whole like premise of that yeah like yeah like is that really gonna be a hook for a lot of people are more people gonna watch the young and the restless for that one day because enzo from big brothers like show up in a cat costume for a 30 second cameo right yeah let me log into paramount plus at work at 10 42 a.m to to watch enzo's appearance only for sari okay and that's it owen are there any particular shows you feel like really excited to introduce to people? Oh, goodness. I I feel like what what have I been enjoying lately?

Shrinking on Apple TV. I've really been enjoying with what's his name? Jason Segel and Harrison Ford. Yeah, I feel like that's that's the Apple TV show that feels like people talk about Ted Lasso. People talk about Severance. But that feels like like it's in its third season. So it's obviously successful. But I feel like nobody talks about Ted Lasso. People talk about severance, but that feels like, like it's in its third season. So it's obviously successful, but I feel like nobody talks about it. Mm hmm.

Yeah. Like, I don't think many of my friends watch it. And like one of my friends, like how I met your mother and forgetting Sarah Marshall or like his two favorite pieces of media. And he's like, no,

I haven't checked it out yet, but I think I'm really taken with it too, because the version of Harrison Ford's character feels very much like my dad in just his mannerisms. And just like he's kind of like grumpy and just like not. And I'm making my parents sound like a Bible thumper and a total grump this podcast. But they're great. But it is like his mannerisms are just reminiscent. What else am I enjoying? Yeah class wars i loved um we just started day of the jackal last night with any red mane who's playing a hitman which is kind of funny

to me because he has like the weirdest most unique face in the entire world and it's like how could this guy be an international undercover spy hitman does he wear like prosthetics and disguises yeah and this isn't really a spoiler because it's in the first like minute but yeah his in the first episode he's like dressed up like this old man and then they show the process of him taking it off and it's like oh wow you know that was him under there with that that big ass mouth of his i i saw it i looked up just to see like what the imdb score was and someone the the headline I saw on the google page was like it was made possible by Eddie Redmayne's reptilian performance I was like oh my god brutal I was gonna say yeah oh and there's like a special experience

that reality tv contestants have with like random no names uh making personal comments about you but like you're sort of in the the same boat relatively as some of these actors and actresses you know they have these segments on talk shows where they read mean tweets about themselves or like bad google searches so yeah people are people at the end of the day they're gonna do it respond to people. My favorite one about myself was someone said I looked like Wu gained 10 pounds and pursued a career in IT.

Oh! I upvoted it. I was like, that's pretty good. Like, that's unique. Like, that was good. And this is why representation matters. Exactly. Because Owen has how many options

to be compared to? Right, right. Well, now we got we got King Saul now showing a different, totally different body type for the Korean men out there. So period. Shout out Oklahoma. Yeah, for real. I was speaking Oklahoma.

I watched Twisters yesterday for the first time, which was excellent. I loved it. I had a blast. I really like I like both of them did y'all ever um i don't know if it's right experience the universal twisters ride no i i heard i heard things about it though and yeah truly a marker of its time that they dedicated an entire theme park ride that very much outlasted the footprint that the original film had before it got reinvigorated now oh my gosh that's all i think about when i even though

i've lived through tornadoes in oklahoma but still did you ever uh strap yourself down with a belt to a pipe i hear that apparently is okay to survive a category five storm there's no way right it's just they'll show anything but no i i did do have to do the mattress and the bathtub um thing but thankfully nothing happened knock on wood so all good sasha what years were you at ou uh for oh my god uh 2009 to i did my master's as well so 2015 2009 to I did my master's as well so 2015 gotcha so who was that like was that Sam Bradford territory or was that Sam Bradford was my first year and fun fact I almost ran him over with my car Heisman winner do tell how that happened I just you know not to feed into the Asians and women are bad drivers that would have been

like a worse car accident than the one i literally would have had to censor no i would have i would end up at texas because that's the only place that would that would have taken you yeah well i would why are you transferring brand over to san bradford i was like i had a class like right across from the football stadium, like in that area. And I was driving, obviously texting and driving. And Sam Bradford was hurt already. So I think he was like hobbling a little. He's lower than normal.

And he's like, well, I still remember this like so vividly. And he's just like walking with his hand in a sling. And he's like walking across. And I wasn't paying attention in a parking lot. So stupid. And I started driving. And then I like hit the brakes. Thank God.

So fast. Oh my God. Incredible. Yeah. Oh man. I mean, this is the PSA that we need. This is like Sam Bradford coming on being like, I almost got hit by some young woman who was texting and driving.

The next time it could be a Heisman winner. Don't text and drive. Like this is what the kids need to find out that some of the most treasured athletes in modern America could get snuffed out like a candle, like a birthday candle by some person's reckless activity. My little 98 Nissan.

This is crazy, Sasha, because I have a very similar story in my O2 Cavalier almost hitting Drew Brees here in New Orleans. What? So he here in New Orleans so he eerily similar eerily similar

I was not texting but the park so I work on Tulane's campus like right at the front of campus off St. Charles Avenue and across from Tulane is this big park Audubon park. And then a lot of like really rich people live right next to the park and there's parking right next to the park.

So one day I was making the little loop around and I made this left turn and I didn't have to slam on the brakes. But when I made the left turn in the middle of the street, talking to his neighbor is Drew Brees. And I had to break. And like, if I wasn't paying attention, I would have hit him. But then I look up and I was like, holy fucking shit. That's Drew Brees. And I had to break and if I wasn't paying attention, I would have hit him. But then I look up and I was like, holy fucking shit, that's Drew Brees. What year was this?

This was probably maybe the year before he retired. You're going to send him to a neuro-retirement? Yeah, maybe. I don't know. But yeah, that was crazy because I was like, and then I was a little surprised and Shelton's like, sorry. And then I look and I'm making eye contact with Drew Brees there.

And yeah, I would have I wouldn't have been able to transfer. I would have been murdered if I had hit him with my car. That would have been a citywide emergency. So, yeah, that I that's crazy. I can't believe I'm the only person on this panel who didn't nearly run over a quarterback with their car. Yeah. Oh, my god. And it's purely coincidental that you're the only non-Asian person. I know!

That's what's taking me out. We're never beating allegations. Never! And the problem is there's multiple Asian, like, nationalities here. Yeah, we got South and East covered here. So unfortunately Yeah. This is bad. East covered here. So unfortunately.

Yeah, this is bad. We're cooked. We're cooked. We just stay away when we're driving. No, it's OK. I don't text and drive anymore. You know, and the Raiders are out of Oakland where I live. So there's no quarterbacks.

But maybe the Raiders would want me to hit a quarterback. I don't know. Call me Raiders. Yeah, seriously. and now that now the baseball team isn't even there anymore no they're not and the Warriors are gone everyone's no major athletes Sasha that you can

commit a hit and run on there's Oakland that's it they're like a not MLB but whatever is under that oh the triple a yeah yeah yeah yeah so find me like a not MLB, but whatever's under that. Oh, the triple a. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So find me.

Oh, God. Well, that's a hell of a plug to finish things on. Oh, and any, anything else you want to bring up? Any other stuff that you're anticipating watching or like anything that,

that you like to plug for other people in terms of shows to check out? No, I don't think so. so i kind of the culinary class wars i want to be able to talk with more people about that's the big show that i was like really excited to watch i don't know do y'all have any recommendations for me anything you're enjoying lately oh you said so i didn't know yeah i know no that's why i was literally going through my netflix as you i mean what i would say is that if you're a fan of severance and you're looking for a little bit of like an apple tv plus show fill in the ticks that sci-fi itch that also begins with s uh you can check out silo silo is starring rebecca ferguson it is if you're into like mystery box shows post-apocalyptic stuff it is very very well done

it's based on a book series but they have deviated so much from the source material season two just started though i recommend you watch season one for many reasons but that's what i just got here yeah you just just checked it out this is everything that's happening uh so yeah very much recommend people check that out on the precipice of a news season happening yeah i love that um you know you you spark something because i was figuring out what to i don't recommend this show but this is so ridiculous so like i don't i don't know where i sit with it is beauty and black the tyler perry show um and it's so is there a super idol show the no let's don't worry uh lots of other things and obviously not an SFW like very much um like it's about strippers and just unserious

ass show but anyway that's just what I just finished that's what I was trying to figure out how to work around it but in reality because Sex Lives of College Girls is coming out that would be a good one and never have I ever obviously as the like PG version of that I think yeah that's what's

currently on my mind love it but I've just been deep in Christmas movies y'all so I was gonna say is it like when's your demarcator is it like post Halloween is when you start getting it period as soon as Netflix put them out I consume

it's time that new Christina Milian one that I just watched wow so is there are you a Netflix Christmas person are you a Hallmark a Lifetime what's your vehicle maybe I don't discriminate I consume wherever it is i will be watching and the one good thing about having cable is that i get to watch like yeah lifetime and hallmark christmas i just get to like turn it on while i'm doing work so truly perfect have you did have you seen uh Klaus on Netflix yes I loved that Sammy and I watched

that last year and I like as soon as it flipped over past Halloween and past our wedding I was like I can't wait to watch Klaus again this year it's like so good it's so cute I love them the dumber the better like I don't know how to explain it um and it's just and Klaus is like a really smart I I feel like compared to the other stuff i watch um and like a really sweet just precious thing but i don't care i don't discriminate and now they started with hanukkah movies as well okay so really it's just wow are you uh i was gonna say like lindsey lohan's christmas yes is that in rotation? Oh you know it will be. I mean she's done a few before. She did like

did she do yeah I think she did Christmas before now it's like Irish or something. Yeah Irish Wish. Yeah that's what it was. It was at St. Patrick's Day this year. So I just I love this stupid stuff y'all. But yeah that's what you know I just feel like we all need more happiness in our lives so that's why i would recommend that it's the season

absolutely well owen thank you for bringing the happiness that can only come with the holiday spirit this time around i was far from a car wreck that you put safe travels through and this was such a great time after again you had a big week here on rhap for those who missed it you want to talk about any other appearances that you made and any plugs you want to give on social media yeah i did the know-it-alls with steven this past week and had a blast talking about the most recent survivor 47 episode so that was really fun and uh we covered a lot of ground today certainly so. So this was great. And I don't know if I have any other podcasts coming up,

but I'll tell you, Stephen and I talked about it. Blue Sky was so much more fun on Wednesday night than Twitter has gotten for me. I just feel a lot less stressed on the app. It feels like a closer circle of real people rather than all the bots and all the right-wing crazy conspiratorial takes i i get on my my suggested page so yeah blue sky i'm the young knight that's my instagram handle as well and uh yeah always always good to talk with y'all and sasha i think this was our first

time podcasting i know it was fun yeah i'm so glad we were able to listen that's why we started this pod just so i can be as cool as mike and meet reality if you're trying to be as cool as me that bar is in hell so you just stepped right over it you just need to light up some jazz cabbage and go to a school assembly on blue method baby and not hit any quarterbacks yeah exactly like i could have theoretically like uh if you combine my tragic stories with your tragic stories that's a psa right there i i love it that's what this podcast actually was you're all welcome yeah someone call mr beast and we'll get it going we'll get it on his channel i think jesse might have his number so oh my god i don't know. No more Mr. Beast, I think. Well, Sasha, you are certainly much less disgraced than the YouTuber in question. In fact, you're putting out much better content than he is, I dare say.

What do you want to plug for the listeners out there? Yes. Listen, if you want to know why something's trending, if you want to know what's going on in the pop culture world, you want to check out Mess Magnets, where Kirsten McInnes and I are talking about all of that and more. And listen, there is not a PSA, but a fun challenge for everyone. We are looking for the sexiest man alive

because we just weren't happy with People magazine. So go to tinyurl.com slash mess magnet and fill in who you think it is. Okay. We're putting the power back to the people and we're going to pick the top five and then do a whole little thing.

Now you're picking by like vote or are you picking aesthetically in your opinion, the top five. Great question. I think a mix of both. Like I'd be damned if shower con doesn't make it on, but like I will be the only person voting for him. I think a mix of both. Like I'd be damned if Shah Rukh Khan doesn't make it on. But like I will be the only person voting for him. I know. But that's my man. And I've loved him, you know, since the 90s. So it is what it is. But outside of that, yeah, it's all what the folks are going to do.

We've already had like a bunch of like a few people that have got multiple votes. So the front runners are coming in already. So if you want to put your people in, come on. Tinyurl.com slash Mess Magnets is the first question on the forum. I'm going to send in that live action Johnny Bravo influencer. Oh my God, that's so funny. Do it. Yes.

And funny men are also sexy men. So let's be very clear on that. Okay. Um, so yes, that's what we're doing. And of course, uh, Matt Liguori and I are talking dancing with the stars, uh, which has been really fun. So check that out on the Robbins podcast, YouTube channel, or the, we know scripted TV feed and scripted. Oh my God. We know reality TV. TV feed and scripted. Oh my God. We know reality TV. Wrong, wrong feeds. Yeah. And for everything else I'm doing, you know, just I'll be on the blue skies. So let's talk there. And there might be a new podcast dropping on right here on We Know Scripted TV. They're going to say right now. On Monday on We Know Scripted TV. So just check it out. I'll just say some of my squad is coming back together.

I don't know. Oh. It's going to be a fun time. What about you, Mike? Well, besides filling this mailbox here with live action Johnny Bravo salacious pictures, the usual stuff I'm covering Survivor in written and podcast form i'm covering uh

silo the aforementioned show that came back for season two i'm doing battle star galactica i'm doing a bunch of other random stuff in between as well sasha i think i actually might be filling in for you next week and you will be away yes your presence will be missed but i should be coming back uh to do more tv for real in s's absence. We're just sort of like, we're two ships passing in the night at this moment, being like nodding to each other as we head into the Thanksgiving holiday. And then a nice little stride towards the end of the year. Sasha, I hope you have a great trip.

We'll miss you next week, but I'm sure you'll be imbibing in plenty of Christmas based paraphernalia, both movies and otherwise keep yourself occupied. I'll be imbibing in plenty of Christmas based paraphernalia, both movies and otherwise to keep yourself occupied. I'll be at work. Okay. So I'm going to be at a conference talking about the future and what happens after. Maybe that's something we could do.

If we could find a Christmas obsessed reality TV star, maybe you all can like have us watch something and then we'll do like a book report on it. Oh my. Yes. Immediately. All right. We'll talk about that offline uh but regardless i'll be back next week with another reality star talking scripted tb thank you all so much for listening such a great time owen thank you as always uh you were such a delightful presence here sasha thank you for holding it down last week so great great to be back. We'll be

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