RHAP: We Know Survivor - Tyson Apostol Makes His Return to Reality TV | The Reality Flash

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

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And if you have any tips that you want to send my way, no solicitations, just tips at therealityflash.com. Again, just tips at therealityflash.com. On Wednesday, May 28, the reality world was shocked to find news breaking incredibly early of a season of reality TV filming with an all-star cast in 2026 would have its cast announced alarmingly early in the summer. And there's also Survivor 50s cast being announced because the one I'm talking about right now

is House of Villains season three really coming out of nowhere blindsiding us survivor style with the announcement of its season three all-star reality cast shortly before it films and of course I'll be here to break down all the biggest news from this big cast of characters and I am not alone because I would be nowhere near close to knowing anything about this new group of baddies that are about to enter the game if I didn't get a chance to talk with the two people behind all of our coverage of House of Villains here on We Know Reality TV. We were last on here talking about got to get out but now we got to get in to House of Villains season three.

Let me first welcome in, of course, the great Chappelle. Chappelle, how are you? Hey, I'm good. I'm good. And I'm feeling particularly villainous today. You know, it's just something about today has just got my villainous blood boiling a little bit. I'm so excited to talk about this cast of crazy characters.

And of course, I'm happy and excited to be back and reunited with two most chaotic people that I'm happy and excited to be back and reunited with two most chaotic people that I know, and you and Jenny. Exactly. Listen, this is our witches coven in a manner speaking of, you know, speaking of famous villains. And as you mentioned, the third today, though, she is first in all of our hearts is Jenny Autumn. Oh, my goodness.

I'm so I'm so pumped. I'm surprised I was not anticipating. I'm surprised. I was not anticipating Listen, I had no surprises earlier today and then I and then you know had my feelings went about my day and and then you know all of a sudden a bomb was dropped and I I Am almost speechless, but I need to get over the speechlessness because we have to talk about this. I'm very, very excited to be here with both of you. What a day. What a time.

Yeah, the surprise cannot be overstated here because look, especially in our corner of the reality TV internet, a lot of lip service was obviously understandably and deservedly paid to the Survivor 50 cast announcement that happened today. It was announced that it was coming, you know, maybe rumors were about the cast that was about to be announced by Jeff in the morning. And we thought, all right, that's the vast amount of reality TV casting news that we're facing today.

But of course, like with any good villain, there was a twist involved. And it turns out that in the afternoon, Peacock had revealed the cast of season three of House of Villains. And similarly to Survivor 50, and even going back to what happened with the traitors last year, it really does seem like a lot of these all-star reality shows are implementing this formula of the early cast release. That essentially they are saying, look, we're internet savvy enough to know that there are people out there, you know, various style with their little birds finding out everything about this cast, let us the network be the ones

to own this cast release. And so we know that the cast of House of Villains is about to go into sequester, I believe, to film things. But, Chappelle, there has been no, at least from my research, determined start date for this series. We assume it's coming in 2026. So, yet again, much like Survivor 50, we have a show announcing its cast at least six, seven months ahead of time. And you have to wonder why that is. House of Villains definitely could have waited. You know, Survivor is trying to get in front of the spoilers. There's so many alumni wrapped up in the Survivor community, and they're going to talk when they come back,

because Coach has no scruples. But as far as House of Villains goes, it's not the most anticipated cast, but what they did was so villainous. They decided to just kind of step's not the most anticipated cast, but what they did was so villainous. They decided to just kind of step all over the Survivor cast release for no other reason but to say, yeah, don't look at them, look at us.

And I think that is so on brand for a show called House of Villains that said, hey, we got survivors too. We got other people too. We got people that you love to hate and nobody is complaining about the House of Villains cast. So yeah, we might not get the show until next year, but they're going to make sure that the show drops around the same time as Survivor 2.

I think we're now in like one-on-one competition with Survivor 50 and Jenny and I are the House of Villains know-it-alls to combat Rob and Stephen. Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing, Jenny. It's like, it feels like House of villains and it's cast announcement was a much like some famous Villains 15 years ago trying to break the shoulder of the survivor 50 counts announcement Listen, I I'm not going to be mad about this Um, obviously we had like we had some little whispers of news

We obviously had heard well, I maybe not obviously if you're not really like i'm not super tuned in uh but i i you know i pay attention to house of villains when i see someone talking about his villains that's one of my little babies i love it um and so i you know there was news that it was going to uh moving to Peacock in the new year. I believe that what I had heard was that it would be like January ish and that's different than the previous two seasons, which were on E, I believe. And they were, it's like October. A lot of the people behave like they were on E as well. Yeah.

Yes. And, uh, you know, it was like, as he got into spooky, spooky season, you know, it was like, Scorpio season, let's let the villains out. And I believe both of those seasons aired in October. So when when I found out like this wasn't even going to be airing till January, I was like, there were, you know, little birds were talking, little peacocks were talking, but we weren't, I didn't expect we were gonna get any sort of official cast for many months to come, especially because like Chappelle said, people are not following this super closely

like they are with Survivor. So this could have easily gone under the radar. They are not away for near as long. I'm pretty sure they, you know, based on what we've seen from previous seasons, have their phones. Like they are not like, you know, segregated from society whatsoever. This easily could have been a secret. But no, they said we are going to be villains. The internet is upset about a cast. Let's give them something to be happy about.

And I'm happy, I'm happy. I wasn't unhappy in the first place, but I'm really happy. All right, well, I'm sure there are plenty that given the caliber of this cast, which we'll get into, they're coming in from various corners of fandoms, perhaps for the first time to watch House of Villains, especially given, to your point, Jenny, the fact that it is moving over to Peacock, which is wild to say that, you know, a streaming service has more eyes on it and virality than an actual cable network that people are paying money for, but it's true.

I mean, with the traders in particular and that first season of Dandy, which the two of you covered, like Peacock has become one of the most prolific streaming services when it comes to reality TV. And so they're hoping to maybe, you know, the tide will raise maybe the boats that is House of Villains in its third season. So for the uninitiated Chappelle, what is the format of House of Villains? Jenny and I like to joke that it's basically like Big Brother. You normally have a super villain of the week. Which also contains a lot of villains as well by SuperZed.

Many of them will end up on House of Villains at one point or another. We keep this going. That's why we got to get reps from them. Yeah, exactly. If we keep this going long enough, then yeah, we'll at least have the entire cast of BB-15 on it. That would be the only time we'll at least have the entire cast of BB15 on it. That would be the only time we'll have a BB15 on TV again. So you get a supervillain of the week.

The supervillain of the week has to put up people for elimination. They compete in their elimination challenge that I do not remember what it's called now, but they compete in that. And then redemption challenge? The redemption challenge, sure. Is it? Yeah, sure. It's not important. Yeah, they end up going to the supervillain layer. The name is not important. Yeah, sure. And then they end up going to the super villain lair.

The name is not important. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, the point is the super villain of the week chooses two people to go for elimination. The rest of the people have to decide on who will be eliminated via vote and then they sit in this evil super villain chair in the lair and then they are ejected through the wall as they are eliminated from the competition. And it starts just like, like I said, like big brother, you know, sometimes you have the opportunity to save yourself. I think there's normally three nominees and then one can come off the block, but then

you have two that will remain up there to get voted for. And then by the end, we get some type of jury vote that will allow us to crown the supervillain of the season. And we've had some really interesting moments in House of Villains to say the least with some of these vote-offs, Mike. Yeah, I would say that probably, Jenny, one of the most entertaining jury vote outcomes

I've seen in recent memory without saying too much came from the last episode of House of Villains that aired the season two finale. Yeah, you have some time to catch up if you are if you uh you know are the uninitiated here. Um I would personally suggest watching both seasons because I think they were both uh special in their own ways but um especially the the outcome uh of of season two some of some of the things that occurred, especially in that finale,

should be talked about for years to come, in my opinion, in the reality TV sphere. So I personally think that it's required watching, especially like all it takes is to have a vested interest or familiarity with one person. Because the great thing about House of Villains is it really is like a chaotic love letter to reality TV. Like they are not limiting their picks to just one area. It's not all competition reality TV. They and the definition of villain is really up for interpretation and becomes like this like meta feeling of the sea of like the season where you're like, you get to the end and you're like, okay, it's kind of like Big Brother there. It's like it's got some survivor esque elements. It's a it's a it's a competition reality show where eventually people who have

been eliminated are going to get to decide who wins. But what is the criteria? Because with normal people who, you know, maybe their persona is more about being a hero, just a regular nice person. You might think a certain type of person would win and people will vote a certain way. And when you get all of these really big characters, big, big egos, and this theme of villainy and what it means to be a villain and whether that's a good thing and what kind of villain like it just really becomes this interesting conversation of what you reward and I think it just really uh results in some interesting choices and endings and I don't know I think it's it's very fun. But all it takes is one person, if you're familiar with just one show and you're like,

I wanna see this crazy person interact with a bunch of other crazy reality TV people that I would never expect to see in a room together, House of Villains is for you. All right, well, let's get into this group of 11 people and hopefully people have that one person and then some because this is a really intriguing group to me. I think that maybe compared to previous seasons, we are veering more into like the social strategy camp. I mean, that's been very fun to follow with House of Villains as well as like the people that are not from the competition side of things trying to get into the more strategic elements the game, and some of them succeeding and some of them not so much.

But let's break down each one of these 11 cast members and how excited we are to see them back on our screens. And we I think we should start with maybe one of the chief among them. I don't want to presume on behalf of the two of you. But look, there was a lot of news about 24 previousor contestants going off on another adventure on our screens in 2026 and here is number 25 as four-time player Tyson Apostle will be our Survivor representative on season 3 of House of Villains We win. We won. It's up y'all. We did it. I'm so used to giving and now it's our time to receive.

I mean this is absolutely fantastic. From the jump obviously Tyson has undergone a huge amount of, you know, personal life shifts throughout his four times on Survivor, most specifically in Survivor Blood versus Water, the season that he won. It was pretty wild to see the guy who we saw in Token Chains back in 2009, you know, gloat about making people cry, and dancing naked with the immunity necklace as a headdress, weep over the fact that his girlfriend got voted out

and sent out of Redemption Island, but he was able to, you know, find a heart and find a million dollars along the way. Tyson had an incredibly memorable, if not dominant stint on the challenge USA that ended on quite a sour note. And for a while, I think people were waiting to see what would Tyson do next? Would he be on Survivor 50?

Would he try something else like a Traders? And Chappelle, this is the next stop for him. This is officially his return to reality TV for the first time in a few years. Tyson could do the Traders, but it wouldn't fit like Tyson doing House of Villains. So he comes from the Villains tribe and Survivor. So we've already stamped him as a Villain. I think there is no mistaking Tyson as anything but a Villain in his first stint onint on token chains as well. But going to the Traders will be such a waste for Tyson because it's not wacky. It's not fun. It's a lot of just like, you know, they take it very seriously. This here? No, no, no. This is perfect. Watching Tyson interact with some

of the people on this cast is going to be iconic television. He's one of the funniest people that I've ever seen play Survivor. And I just cannot wait to see what happens next now that we have Tyson Apostle back on our screen. Yeah. What do you think Jenny? I'm so happy. I would watch Tyson do any show, but I completely agree with Chappelle that like, and then I made a similar point when we saw Parvati return to TV on our beloved Dandi. And we discussed her, we discussed her incident on the traders and I truly felt like it just wasn't the right fit for her. And that exactly. And I kind of feel like it in a different way, because the point I made is that

you know Parvati thrives in the heat she needs and she needs a bikini and that's and that's how she unleashes her power and I kind of feel like similarly about Tyson but like for different reasons and that like I just feel like he needs a setting where he can just be Tyson. Whereas on the Traders, you kind of have to play a character. You have to play this like Scottish like murder mystery. Like you have to wear like a fancy hat and it's like got this like intense seriousness, which I think it would be actually like, there's a part of me that would be, I think it would be kind of funny to see Tyson in that setting, but I really feel like in a show like house of villains,

you are meant to embrace all of the character traits that made you who you are on reality TV, who made you like what made the name for you. And also Tyson interacting with and commenting on other cookie characters of like different types is like that is just gold like that is just basically, you know, he's going to be churning out content just by the sheer fact of him having to play with such other big characters. So I really think that this is a place where he will thrive. And I'm just so ready. I'm just so ready for it. Now it feels like in the first couple seasons of House of Villains, and I will loosely spoil stuff from the first two seasons. So if you don't want to necessarily find out those details,

skip ahead about a minute or so. But it does feel like we have had an archetype in seasons one and two, ironically enough, filled by guys from both the same show, The Challenge, in the form of Johnny Bananas and Wes, who were able to utilize a lot of their strategic, you know, bases to really run a lot of the game behind the scenes, only to come up short in the end in a jury vote. Given Tyson's extensive background on the island, and you know, there might be a couple other people on the cast that we could talk about that could also occupy that slot, but Chappelle, do you think there's a chance that Tyson could do what those

two couldn't do and scheme his way to an actual win in the end? Absolutely, because Tyson has won a jury vote. I don't think anybody has ever looked at Johnny Benanaton thought he's going to win a popularity contest. No disrespect to him. I like Wes a lot, but there was a ton of reasons why Wes could have been the loser last season when it came down to it. And we saw some very iconic moments with him and some of his jury management. Tyson is a seasoned veteran.

He has been on the jury. He has beat the jury by winning the votes to win Survivor. So he's done it all. I mean, he's been pre-jury as well. So like Tyson has seen it all. And so I think that if no one else knows how to manage these personalities and still get them to like them in the end it would be Tyson I I fully agree Mike. I thought you were maybe you know, man if like

Manifesting something like you were trying to say like oh He is he gonna have the same fate as Johnny bananas and Wes and I said don't you put that negative energy out into the universe? Absolutely not. Um, I truly beyond being you know, extremely entertaining, you know Villainous enough that he has create like he was on the villains trap. He has given us some very iconic you know moments that you could say that that's a villain. But he is extremely charismatic, extremely likable, like the kind of guy that you can't even like, you know, people that are even against him, I don't think that they could truly like, dislike him or be mad at him. There's just something about his energy

that is really disarming for people. And I think that, um, I don't know, I think that people, maybe, maybe, you know, not these days are talking enough about how good his social game is. We all know how, you know, hilarious he is, how entertaining he is how, but this man is so charismatic. And I think that if we look back at you know, how the last two seasons of House of Villains have gone, being super strategic, and leaning too hard into the villainous world of like being a social strategist without the finesse of a really good social game as well will not serve you and even though they're all labeled as villains and they come into this knowing that these people are still

going to gravitate to people like Tyson that are likable. So I do think that he has some special sauce that I think that he could do it. He definitely has the tools. He's got the whole package. Well, I want to talk about Tyson at the top here, but otherwise I'm going to go through the cast in the order that they were presented on deadline when that publication announced the cast. So it's only understandable that they started and we move on to who has become essentially

not only an institution of reality TV, but specifically an institution on House of Villains because Jenny, Tiffany New York Pollard is three for three in House of Villains because Jenny Tiffany New York Pollard is three for three in House of Villains appearances. They did the right thing, okay? Look at the material. You can be the judge. The Kenan Thompson of House of Villains.

She'll never leave. And she deserves. It's her house, it's her world. We are simply just living in it. And I think that I would be greatly disappointed if she wasn't on this cast. I think that this is hilarious. I think that this is necessary because Tiffany New York Pollard and the energy that she brings Tiffany New York Pollard and the energy that she brings

will always make this show better. And I now that we're gonna get a third run of it, do it every goddamn season. I don't care. I don't care. Make it Tiffany New York Pollard presents House of Villains moving forward. And why not? And why not?

Sure. Yeah, sure. No complaints on my end. Last season, we've been watching an evolution of Tiffany New York Pollar in the House of Villains house. Jenny and I talked about it. Two seasons ago, she came in. She was New York. She was a big personality, but she wasn't long for the game.

Last season, oh, New York got a social game. Oh, she got a social game. Like there were moments where me and Jenny were like, can she pull it off? Can she pull it off? Or does she need a little extra? Does she need a little bit of time to charge up on her docking station and get the goods

to come in next round and win the game. And now she's back for round three. Like I feel like she's learning and she's growing and she's becoming better and better and better. She's learning at the knee of these reality TV competition superstars, Johnny Bananas, Wes. She's surrounded by people who can play the game. Jessie Dodders was there.

Now she has Tyson. This woman is going to leave House of Villains one day and go win Survivor or something. She is becoming a monster of a beast of a competitor in the the house of villains. And I'm so happy she's back. Listen, the improvement in placing from from season one to season two alone, she might have she might just win. She might win. Yeah. And no matter what, I am seated for the journey.

I like New York is in the the mother effing house of villains. Yeah. I can't wait to see who she does not vibe with and who the, I called it freaking last season. This was before I knew that her and Wes had met each other and done worse than America. I just, I felt it. I said, I said these two that I think that this is the power duo that I want and need.

And I see it. I see it. And it happened. And so, but this, I haven't had enough time to digest how I feel about her in this cast. So like, obviously, as a big Tyson fan, I'm like, please, like, let let Tyson be the West here. But it could go either way. You never know with New York. And that's what makes this so great is like, you don't know which way it's going to go, but you know, it's going to be a good time. Well, someone who, again, she might surprise us. She might spit in the face of our prediction here.

But I would imagine the person she might get along with the least at least initially here is someone who is, you would say on his own redemption tour, but he is appearing on House of Villains. It's the womanizer, the doll singer himself, Tom Scandival. Chappelle. Scandival is back.

You know what? Redemption is crazy, but it's so accurate. Tom Sandoval went into the Traders and people were like, boo this man. Boo this man and everything that we know about him, everything he stands on. But then toward the end, you could kind of squint and see people being able to appreciate Tom Sandoval for a game player or a character. There were definitely moments where everybody but Dolores was like, I think we can live with him. Queen Dolores was like, absolutely not, never, not on my watch. But yeah, Tom Sandoval had

quite the redemption arc and I think he's now embracing his villainous persona, you know, for I think for a while one of the reasons why people hated him was because he was trying to gaslight us. We didn't know that he sucked. Right. But now, Tom's like, no, I did some awful things. I'm trying to be better, but I am a villain. I am a villain. And you guys- I mean, do you remember what he said at that one round table on the Traders when he talked about women? Yeah, exactly. This guy sucks. But he's trying to make a comeback. And I appreciate that we get a character like Tom Sandoval because everybody likes somebody to rule against.

And, you know, on these casts, we always need like a douchebag representative. Yeah. Season one had his former VPR cast member, Jax Taylor fill in that slot. Yes, he did. Right. And also, you know, you might might argue Shake kind of felt the like, because you need the people from the shows where they're kind of like a douche bag in their personal life to women, like kind of like a misogynist.

We need one of those kinds of villains. And I think we might have two at least on this cast So I you know, we needed someone to fill that role and I think after watching Him on the traders. Um, I can't wait to see him sweat through many more t-shirts. And, you know, I think that he really leans into the role, you know, watching him get so intense and into it in the Traders and just be loud and wrong most of the time, really fun, you know, he really took it seriously. in the Traders and just be loud and wrong most of the time. Really fun. He really took it seriously.

And I hope that we get this on House of Villains as well, because I love nothing more than when we get someone on one of these shows where it's like the Avengers of reality TV personality. This is more like the thunderbolts. Sure. As not, I'm not well versed in any of that, but yes. And you know, then someone flops, like you can tell the heart is not in it.

Like that sucks. I truly hope and feel good about based on how it went on the traders. Because when I saw he was on the trade, I was like, what are we doing here? And then he ended up being he he delivered in a, in a way, in his own way. He created content in his way. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, that's all I can ask. I'd rather, you know, come and be weird and make moments. That's fine, better than just being there and, you know, being like, you're just taking up somebody else's space.

So I hope that, you know, Tom Sandoval is gonna bring that same energy. Maybe there will be some dolls in the house to sing, sing with, sing to. Yes, the idea of him talking to New York is, God, I can't even. She is going to hate this man. She's going to hate him. She probably already does.

She probably already hates him. She knows. Oh, she knows. Yeah. Well- And if she doesn't, she'll learn. This is a cast that I'm excited to continue to dig into, but there were some people that over the course of watching them in their respective reality shows, I thought, okay, there's a chance they might come back for a House of Villains. I'll be completely honest, of the known qualities,

this casting choice surprised the heck out of me because we saw them into incredibly long, intense, back-to-back summers. And it seemed like they left the game, for lack of a better term, pretty gumpy, to the point that I never thought we'd see them back on reality TV. Chappelle, it is the return of Paul Ibrahimian, two-time Big Brother runner-up. I talked about how Tyson knows how to manage a jury. Me Paul. Paul has to come in second again. They have to come in second. Oh my God.

And they have to wear the same shirt. Okay. So Paul, Paul, Paul played Big Brother the first time and people were like, we want more Paul. Personally, I was good. I was good on the Paul experiment. I said, I've seen enough. They brought them back. They brought them back, I'm sorry, for the second season.

And Paul ran that house like none other. You want to talk about a cult? People were falling all over Paul trying to get to the end. I mean, just like, it was just, it was crazy. You even had Christmas at the end, convinced that she was in love with Paul. Like she like, do I love him? Is everything okay?

Like she, like we got scenes on the actual show of Christmas being like, I think I love Paul. And Paul being completely oblivious, and if not just a little afraid of Christmas too by that time. Well, Christmas is prone to falling in love in the big Brother house. The fact that she's not on a season

of House of Villains is baffling. Not yet, not yet. Oh yeah, but yeah, Paul gets a bad rep because they ran the game so intensely, had everybody fighting, everybody was against each other. Then they got to the end and they all colluded and said, nah, we're not going to reward Paul. Paul's worse than all of us.

We might've been doing all the fighting, but Paul was the one who set it up. And so we were punting Paul. Friendship was a lie. Right. There was friendship bracelet, there was catchphrases. And at the end of the day, they said we'd rather give the money to Josh Martinez

than Paul. And so Paul is back for redemption. But like I said, I don't know how Paul does up against a jury vote, even in front of villains. There's no one happier about this than me. I will guarantee you that. I am an unapologized Paul Stan. I know, Chappelle always has my number. Not kidding. Paul Stan, I know, Chappelle always has my number.

Day one, and I can admit that Paul deserved to lose both times. Big issue that they face when they face a jury is not owning up to things. You know, kind of acting, you know, the you know, the usual mistakes when facing a jury if you've played a villainous game, not owning it, gaslighting people continue continuing to gaslight people at the point where you just have to own your shit. And, you know, I think that both games were very, very impressive. And I never thought that I would see the day where Paul would play a game again, because after two, like final two,

not even a final three situation, because after two, two, like final two, not even a final three situation, you have just to beat one person in the final two chairs on Big Brother, two summers in a row in the same damn t-shirt, like Chappelle said. It was the same vote count, wasn't it? With the same vote count. Just like, you know, that's demoralizing.

And I think, you know, after that experience, you probably go. Damn like piss. This isn't for me piss. Yeah. Very dumpy. Very dumpy. Not friendship. Not friendship.

I love that someone who's catchphrase was friendship. Um, is, is, you know, we are now embracing villain. You are on House of Villains. I'm very, very excited. I honestly, Paul's someone who, of the Big Brother community, not super involved. No, they're very much divorced themselves, given a lot of very understandable consternation. Like, Chappelle, yes, you talk about a lot of the PAC tendencies they were using. They also did, at one point, try to rile people up to try to prod somebody to the point that they would try to- They wanted to trigger the PTSD in this military veteran.

In a Marine, so that he would subsequently hit one of them and get expelled from the house. And look, the Marine in question, not a great person either. military veteran in a marine so that he would subsequently hit one of them and get expelled from the Marine in question not a great person either. So it really was a race to the bottom there Right, but paul paul actually making it right Yeah, I was like sometimes paul was right paul was right. But anyway, um, so that's the thing paul is a villain in big brother But I don't think paul is a villain in life And so i'm very excited to see paul kind of embrace the villainous side and go up against somebody like a Tyson, you know, who was also probably a great person in real life, but has those villainous tendencies

in a game like this. And so I'm so excited. I was like not that I was not the biggest Paul person. I wasn't. But then the more I got of Paul by the end, I was like anybody but Josh Martinez. So here we are. Yeah. I mean, Paul has also gone through a big journey since being on TV at this point, what, eight years ago with their sexuality and gender. They've come out as non-binary in the time since I know they've worked a lot on their music. So yeah, I mean, as you mentioned before, Jenny, there are some of these rare characters who come on like a Jax who was like, but I'm not a villain. And Paul might be one of those soft souls who is saying like, that's who I was, but who I am now is completely different.

Or it could just be business as usual, feeding the flames. And before we know it, you know, they're continuing to write checks that will not get cashed in the favor of a million dollars or whatever they win on House of Villains. Yeah. And that's what's fascinating about the return of Paul to reality TV because it really could go either way. We don't really have a window into how they've been feeling about their own progression, you know, how they would play a game now in 2025 to be airing in 2026. And I, you know, maybe the thought process is, I played long form big brother with a bunch of, you know, normies, a bunch of you know normies and you know some self-righteous people and I maybe did some some some dirty things to try to snatch that win

and they didn't like it but if I'm playing a game that's basically like a compressed version of a big brother game with experienced people that are wacky in their own right, and we are all embracing the fact that we are villains, maybe, maybe this is the time where, you know, my, my flavor will finally work. And I could see it. I honestly could see it because the thing about Paul and why they were so successful to getting to the end in both seasons was again social game, magnetism, charisma, very, very well liked, really good personality. Like that stuff does matter in

these games, even in House of Villains. And we see people like on these shows where they're like, yeah, they're kind of a villain, but they're not going into every room and picking fights just for fun. Those people, it's hard for them to win. Even on a game like House of Villains, I actually do think that Paul could pull this off, but it's just such a big question mark for me I actually do think that Paul could pull this off,

but it's just such a big question mark for me because I just don't have a window into, like I just really did not expect to see Paul on reality TV again. So it's really a big question mark to see if it's going to be a return to business as usual and what they've learned because that's a long amount of time. You know, playing these intense games two summers in a row in your twenties in your like what early twenties? I who hasn't been like, I live and breathe reality TV, and this is my whole identity. I truly hope that we get a poll that's like ready to like actually play the game and it like sparks something in them and they have fun with it. I would hate to see, you know, them come in and be like, yeah, I'm actually realizing quickly I'm not into this anymore. I thought that maybe this would be fun, but these people are wacky and I'm

These people are wacky and I'm out. It's a little bumpy. Point of clarification, Paul was 23 and 24 when they played on Big Brother. So a lot of time has passed. Let's see what the late 20s Paul looks like. It won't take long to tell you Neutral's ingredients. Vodka, soda, natural flavors. Vodka, soda, natural flavors. So, what should we talk about?

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I think a lot of us that follow a lot of these shows would primarily know Selling Sunset from Chrishell Stouse, who recently showed up on this most recent season of The Traders alongside Tom Sandoval. And it seems like from what I've looked up Chappelle, Christina was essentially Krishelle's ops. Just someone that, she was one of these villains that seemed more in like the Courtney Yates mold of just like, she's very mean and blunt and cutting and funny and confessionals.

Yeah, so I've watched a little bit of Southern Sunset. So I have met this person, but the thing about Christine is that she is gold, okay? TV gold, all right? If people liked what they saw on the Traders, this is like, like you said, this is the ops to that. This is going to be like hypocritical. It's going to piss you off because she's going to do

everything that she can to get the attention of the camera. She's gonna say the thing, she's a villain and she knows it, you know, and that's the thing. What, at some point she's not going to embrace it and that's gonna piss you off too. But I love it because she is self-aware. She gets it, she's in on the joke and she's gonna lean in and make sure that the camera knows that

she is the villain to watch here. I would love this because I think that when people watch Christine, the thing that's gonna piss them off the most is that she's gonna be like, me? Who me? I did this? When in reality, yeah, you did this

and you know exactly what you're doing. I'm very excited to see Christine Quinn here. Jenny, any thoughts about Christine? Yeah, so I am very excited to see Christine Quinn here. Jenny, any thoughts about Christine? Yeah, so I am so like, entranced by this lady. There is something so so dark about her energy, but like in a fun way, like this woman seems to have no issue calling anyone on their on their bullshit, but in a way where I don't know, I just feel like there were times and we loved we loved Queen Victoria last season. And we remembered, you know, her stand on The Bachelor, where, you know, she she was kind of on the outs with everyone and everyone had an issue with her, I kind

of like see similarities with Christine in that, like, she, anyone can get it. And she like has no problem. You know, like standing on business with people. But the difference here is that I don't feel like there's any, any, like, she's, she's not having any issues of like self confidence or like questioning, like her position on things. This really just is giving like badass bitch energy. Like, I am not a selling sunset aficionado. But, you know, I've watched enough clips of this woman to be like, watch the F out. Because I don't think that she's going to be necessarily

like the person that gets into a fight and then is in the next room crying about it. I think that she will go toe to toe and have no issue with that. So I think that it could be very, very fun. And some of the commentary I've seen from people that are a lot more like familiar with Christine and her work are just like, these people are not gonna know what hit them with this woman, which is music to my ears. All right, let's move in to our next person here. And everyone at this point, especially the Peacock aficionados amongst us,

know our way around Kate Chastain. Of course, with her two seasons, technically three seasons of appearances on The Traders, from being the faithful in season one to becoming the last Trader standing in season two, but Chappelle you knew her when she was just but a lonely bosin on below deck This just is Chief Stu, baby. This is Kate. Look Kate. Oh, man. I'm happy Um, I loved watching everybody kind of get a load of Kate when she came on to the Traders. They brought her back for some cameos because this lady is

so good at being a villain. But to me, Kate's not really a villain. She's like a lot of times like she's saying what I'm thinking, you know. And so I think that's the powerful thing about Kate is that you root for Kate. I think there's a lot of villains that you root against. I think Kate is not one of those people, even in the traders where she's basically throwing a fit and deciding, I'm not doing any of these challenges anymore. Y'all are just gonna vote me out anyway,

so I'm not helping. And just moving her way through the episodes every week with someone accusing her of being a traitor, yet she's still here. And so I can't- Chilling through. No notes, no notes. Kate Chastain should have been on here earlier. I love her.

Yeah, I mean, Jenny, I mean, what were you talking about with with our last person, someone that would not be afraid to, you know, go toe tip top toes with somebody, Kate Chastain will call out the fashion sense of anyone who comes into her war path, as we saw with Rachel Riley. Yeah. And and that's, you know, to Chappelle's point, it's like, are we just a villain if we are, you know, just saying the quiet part out loud?

Right, knock her over for being real. Because I think that half the time, that's her only crime. No, I think that this is a really, really fun choice. My head is spinning thinking about her interacting with some of these people. Like she, she has been allowed to be on in some capacity every season of the US traders thus far. And I, you know, so she, she was at least present with Tom Sand of all there. I have no idea if they've really interacted much in, in, I'm sure they've crossed paths.

I can't wait to hear her eviscerate him. It's going to be like, I'm going to, I'm going to record it and listen to it before I go to bed every night. Like it's going to be before I go to bed every night like it's gonna be Yeah, truly It's yeah, I I have no complaints I just hope that she has Material to work with that's like that's all you need like fashion material She can just be who she is

Give her stuff to work with, and we will be fine. Yeah, no, this is a perfect choice. And Peacock, you keep bringing her back on anything you want, babe. That's the thing. This is slowly becoming the Kate Chastain network, and I'm not entirely mad at it. No, not at all. I would love to see what it looks like when Kate and Christine Quinn interact as well, because Christine is like the queen of the mean girl energy and Kate doesn't,

she doesn't, she doesn't have that energy to me. Kate is the one who's like, she's bullying the bullies, you know? And so that's why I love Kate. Man, this is going to be good. I'm so excited. Well, we mentioned before how some people on House of Villains, you just need at certain points that out and out, capital A asshole on the show and Sandoval certainly fit the bill. But maybe to your earlier point, we have doubled up here. Let's talk about Johnny Middlebrooks and Johnny mainly has his claim to fame from a villainy perspective, but in a major way, at least from my POV, on Love Island Games a couple of years ago,

which, true to the sort of weird, disparate nature of the title, was this ability to find love, but also compete against each other, and subsequently get rid of each other as well. And if I'm recalling correctly, and either one of you speak up if you have more details about this, I feel like Johnny was one of these people

that saw it as a game first and an opportunity for romance second. I believe he cycled between something like five or six different partners alone over the course of the season. He was branded a D-bag. He was branded a terrible person. I think he called himself the devil at one point. And unfortunately, he ends up finishing in second here but becoming

certainly one of the most memorable characters from his run on Love Island Games. I think that's just how he operates. Yeah, and then like Love Island Games just felt like that was the setting to really lean into it. It's a game and I hook up with people and it's, you know, combining my two favorite things. Yeah, I think that I am very interested to see how Johnny in the game, that is a game first. And you know, it's not going to be full of young women that are going to throw themselves at him until they realize what a douchebag. So, you know, like I said, we always need a douchebag. And I think that this is a fine choice. I think that he's a fine choice. Listen, he on the on his original season of Love Island. He like you said, Mike, we didn't really get to see villain. If you took me-

He was with Selly, who was one of the big sweethearts of the season. Yes. And I think that that is also part of the, that's the heel turn, is you wrong Selly, who is the darling, one of the darlings of the Love Island USA franchise. That's when you've decided your path. And you know, I think he leaned very heavily into that path in how he conducted himself. I'm the villain, I'm the villain, I guess. And I don't know, I just think that it will be interesting

to see how he does. I would love to see him wanna have fun with it and not like in the ways that he's used to. Like he's gonna have to be doing something different. I just don't want him to be boring because there's not a platform for him to be a villain in the way that he's accustomed to. That's my biggest concern and my hope is that he can just be a menace in another way or

gets really into the gaming aspect of it. Well, that's fair. Last season, somebody who does really well in the game and is probably tangential to this archetype, Safari, he is known for his interactions with women. And so we didn't get a lot of Safari throughout the season. He was like there, but he wasn't giving us a lot of energy.

We also seen Shake, who is known for his interaction with women. And that, too, was like, it's almost like a failed experiment with Shake, because Shake just, he interacts poorly with everybody. But Johnny, from what I've seen, I've done my research. I have not seen Love Island. But from what I can tell, Johnny is now in his villain era.

He embraces it. People were comparing it. I found a Reddit thread that actually said that love Island season US 2 was his origin story And then love Island games was his Empire Strikes Back You know, so like this man is a villain. He knows it now. Can he harness it into game savviness? We will see All right. Well you broke the news earlier that there is no million dollar prize on House of Villains, but that's no matter to this next person, considering that she at one point had a million dollars in her possession and Johnny had a brief appearance on the challenge.

Let's talk about someone who has been more of a mainstay on the MTV franchise. It is Ashley Millionaire Mitchell Chappelle. Cash money millionaire here, Ashley Mitchell. Ashley, she's awful sometimes. She's awful. Like the thing about the people in the challenge is that they're outside their challenge interactions seep into the game a lot.

And we get a lot of personal attacks and things of that nature that really make you kind of like wonder like, why do y'all keep putting these people on TV? I mean, it's wild because Ashley has a very storied history on the challenge, but she originally came from the real world where she lasted all of like four episodes because during one of her many drunken tirades she told Corey that she was so rich she could quote buy and sell his family. Yeah, exactly. So this person is known for saying and doing things that are, you know,

despicable in a way. Can she grow from that? Maybe. Who knows? We keep putting her on TV regardless. But the thing that Ashley Mitchell did the first time I ever laid eyes on this woman was she snatched that money. She snatched that million dollars away from that other guy who sucked worse than her. He sucked. He did hunt and her family. Yeah, Hunter was awful.

And when I tell you, the joy I felt, when I saw that woman say, no, I'm keeping the money, and she took that money from Hunter, I was like, OK, let's give her another shot. Maybe we should hear both sides of the Ashley Mitchell story. So yeah, she's a gamer. She likes to compete. And she is going to pop off at the mouth and say some things.

Now, will these people be OK with that? Probably not. And that's why this is going to pop off at the mouth and say some things. Now, will these people be okay with that? Probably not. And that's why this is going to be fun to watch. She's very layered. Okay. She's complicated. And she's about that cash. And I mean, she's had to do some some really insane stuff for that payday. True. And, you know, I think that we want to have people on this season that are actually going to get into the gaming aspect of it, whether it be really trying to win the challenges, wanting to strategize. We want there to be a fun balance of there being gaming, but also the ridiculousness of all of these people interacting and how that all shakes out.

And I really love this. If there was going to be a challenge representative on this season. Listen, we had our obvious two picks in Johnny Bananas and Wes last season. And I'm really glad that we are now going to the women. And I think that this is a perfect represent. There's definitely other options in the challenge. In the challenge, we can have a whole challenge season just called House of Villains. Yes. In the challenge, you could throw an egg at a challenge cast member and chances are you

hit someone who did something villainous in their TV career. Or they'll do it tomorrow. She had lots of little moments over her time in reality TV you can point to and say that's a villain. Um, but she's also had like really endearing arcs like so that I do feel like she she is a very, um, interesting character and she had one of the most iconic villainous moves in, taking a million dollars for herself and basically saying to her partner, fuck you. Yeah, you helped me win this. You suck. You've said terrible things to me. Like that is an iconic moment in challenge history in reality TV history. And you know, I think that when we're looking at some of these other characters, we're we're looking

at like, oh yeah, like this person gets into a lot of fights. Oh, like this person is really good at making cutting remarks about people. Like she's had, you know, it's like being in an interview. It's like, give me the examples. Point to the times you did these things. Like what better thing can you point to than what she did when she won that season with Hunter and then took the million for herself,

making the name for herself, Millionaire Mitchell. I think, yeah, I'm really happy about her being on this cast as the representative from the challenge. And I'm like, someone like, are someone like her and Kate and Christine like, you could see like similar threads in some of these people, but you're like, are they gonna vibe or are they gonna like butt heads? Like, what does this look like? Well, the thing about the thing about Ashley that I think differentiates her from the other two is that,

yes, I agree that what Ashley is most well known for, both from a villainy perspective and from a challenge career perspective, is her taking the money from Hunter. But there is also the smashly of it all, which was the nickname referred to by Ashley due to the fact that there would get to certain points in her challenge career where usually when inebriated when Ashley was bothered or provoked she would have a meltdown and simultaneously combust catching everyone in her shrapnel. I remember it clear as day in the first season that she won there was like a moment where Johnny Bananas like and everyone had a challenge where they had to eat like a bunch of like spicy chili and so obviously the bathroom was a key luxury where Johnny Bananas like, and everyone had a challenge where they had to eat like a bunch of like spicy chili.

And so obviously the bathroom was a key luxury and Johnny Bananas like took the toilet seat and put it out in the middle of a lake as a prank. And Ashley just, and she just unloaded and just went off. What in the bathroom? Yeah, exactly from a gastrointestinal perspective. But like, there are people who when provoked will get cutting, Ashley gets

explosive. And so I think it's a very different type of again, mean girl response. I mean, she's still part of the Lavender Ladies, which is like one of the larger group of mean girls in the challenge. But if they try, if Christine and Kate try to rile up Ashley Mitchell, they will not get a similar type of response as if they were riled up. Ashley will get- Who's not Crichelle. She will get aggressive and she will get in your face. Yeah. Yeah. All right. New York, you know what to do. You know what to do.

Yeah, exactly. Listen, it's almost like we're fitting up like a cast member of Flavor of Love, honestly. Oh, yes. Back to the reality days. All right. We had so much fun last season with bringing on a villain from the Drag Race universe in candy muse. And some say that Drag Race villains are a bygone character of the days of your, but this person made everything old new again and made a say mama kudos for that for spilling the cast peacock because plain Jane because Plain Jane, Jenny, has made her way to House of Villains.

Okay, so this is my biggest fault in life, is that I have been forever daunted by the amount of Drag Race that I have never known where to start. And I have watched clips and montages and I am so just drawn in by playing Jane that I'm like, I need to, I need to watch the whole like, I will before I will before the season. Oh, yeah. Well, season 16 is an incredible season of Drag Race without spoiling too much. Good, good. Because I'm glad that if I'm also going to do the the full Plane Jane, you know, like the deep preparation watch the deep dive that it's also gonna just be like good seasons. Um, but Wow, this is a villain this is a villain, uh

I'm obsessed. I don't even like I don't even know what to Is this kind of character in the drag race world? embraced or are like, that's what I'm trying to figure out because it's like, I do do hardcore drag race people, what are their feelings on plane Jane because from from the, the vacuum that I have gotten myself into. I am like, you would literally hurt my feelings so easily. I'm so baby. I'm so soft, but I'm also like, I can't stop watching. And she's almost like so likable in the way that she insults people. I don't know. I just like, I'm so, I can't. So yeah, here's the thing. And Chappelle, feel free to add in or disagree. The thing about Plain Jane, from my perspective,

is that I think she was surprisingly well-received for a villain on Drag Race. This was not a P.T. O'Hara situation where people were throwing acid in her face. I think it helps that, A, she was not necessarily going up against the fan favorite. This was not a Roxy Andrews situation. Plain Jane's main nemesis was a woman named Amanda.

Yeah, who admittedly, you know, was not the best with her makeup. And Plain, who I think is more so known for her villainous actions, like we talked about with a couple of cast members, of just being very blunt and open, you know, saying a lot of the quiet parts out loud. She was very upfront from the very beginning of being like, yeah, I don't like your drag. Like, I think you need to work on your makeup, which again, is something that is kind of unheard of in this modern day age of drag race where, you know, we're in our Emmy era. Everyone's all about being supportive of each other and building this on screen family. Playing Jane was all about the hard truths

and the constructive criticism. But the other thing on top of that is that I think, especially in a talent competition like Drag Race, if you're gonna be mean, if you're gonna shit talk others, you have to have the shit subsequently to back that up. And Plain Jane did. From the very beginning, with her stupid song, Burger Finger, she cemented herself as one of RuPaul's

favorites. Spoiler alert, she makes her way to the finale, wins a couple of challenges along the way, was one of the front runners of the season. And so I think that definitely helped a lot was this sort of combination of her being kind of a breath of fresh air in the candor she was bringing to the show. The fact that her chosen ops were not necessarily the most popular people of the season and it didn't feel like she was bringing to the show, the fact that her chosen ops were not necessarily the most popular people of the season, and it didn't feel like she was punching down to anybody, and that she kind of had the goods to back up a lot of the claims she was making.

I watched a YouTube montage of Plain Jane because I'm not familiar with their work, and I was dying laughing. One of the clips that I saw, she walks in the workroom and says, I walked in the work room and I was nervous until I saw the rest of you. I was like, yeah, that's good. Oh, yeah, I mean, one of the best moments

that really symbolizes her in a nutshell is they do this talent show in the opening episode and one of the other queens does this like performance art piece where she holds up a sign at the end that says like, protect queer art. And Plain Jane says like, is all queer art worth protecting because I don't know if this is. Yeah I also saw you look a full doo-doo clown mess

as one of her insults to somebody. I think it was gone. Yeah so I was like man this is crazy uh yeah Plain Jane actually ended up getting roasted in a villain's roast on RuPaul's Drag Race. Sitting next to House of Villains alum Candy Muse. And so, yeah, it seems like we're in good company when we have Plain Jane here on our cast this season. Yeah, I mean, sort of like book ended, we have a couple other people talk about with Tyson. If you're looking for someone who is going to be so incredibly cutting and insulting, especially in confessionals, Plain Jane will absolutely be that. But also like Tyson, she has the courage to say that to people's faces too. And so it's so much fun.

We're slowly accumulating all of these sort of mean girls who are so cutting with their remarks. And so Plain Jane won't necessarily stick out because of that. Like, I don't think people are gonna be like, well, Plain Jane's too mean. We gotta get rid of her. If anything, it's just fuel added to the fire.

There's something to say about someone who's voted most likely to get blocked online by her cast and it's drag race You know considering they say mean things to each other for fun Yeah, but you know, uh so the way that she communicates it though is like There's there's something just like really charming about it to me. I don't I Because it's so matter of fact, right? It's not necessarily done with an amount of bite. It's just like, yeah, everyone knows

that you kind of suck at this. This is the friend that I want in my corner. You know what I mean? Like, that's the person. If they ever turned that in my direction, I would absolutely crumble. But like, this is the bad bitch that I want behind me, that you know is going to come to my defense

and cut the hell out of someone when they deserve it. I have absolutely no idea what what plain Jane's interactions with any of these people will look like. But I I'm in terms of a television character with what I've seen very feeling very high hopes about it. I I especially you know, because it's not someone who hasn't been on TV in a really long time. And you know, you know, might be like a little rusty and is, you know, maybe not sure what they got themselves into on

this. This is very much feels like someone who's like, knows what they're doing, knows the role that they play, and is ready to do it on a different stage. And I'm so okay with that. Like, I'm very excited. So we finished things off with our final two cast members who I would say cumulatively out of the three of us are probably some of the least known quantities in this group but try we must to talk through what we know about these people. Let's talk about a Mob Wives star here. Tarita Diavonzo which is like the sound when you drop a can of ragu.

But she is somebody from Mob Wives. She also is a friend of Big Ange. She was on her infamous spin-off and I mean, true to, I guess, the show title, she has some connections with the mob. Her husband, who I believe they're separated now following his conviction, because Jenny, he was the head of a mob family. I mean, if you're gonna be on a show called Mob Wives, put up or shut up. And I'm just saying, like, if I'm reading your wiki page, and I'm, there's a, there's a, you know, actual legal issues section because you truly were married to a mobster.

That tells me like you represent yourself properly. I don't know anything about this woman. I just truly hope that she's actually entertaining. I feel like there's a lot of like, bad bitch woman energy on this on the season. Um, and so, you know, I don't know how like how someone like this fits in to this. Um, I don't know. Um, she can get loud too, what the fuck. Like I watched some clips and this lady is a firecracker, okay? You talk about Big Ange, they say that Drita and Big Ange are like hand in hand, the biggest personalities in Mob Wives when it first starts.

And so I gotta see this. I gotta see this in action because what I was watching, oh yeah, it's very Italian and very angry and it comes in such a small package. And so this lady is going to be fun. Now I hope it doesn't get to that point. Like I want her to be a villain, but dear God, if it gets to the point where Dread got to stand up and we throw in hands, you know, we might need to step in and separate people, but I don't know. It seems like she's gonna be a good time. We don't want anyone to actually go to jail because of this show. But like last season-

You know it feels like a matter of time, if I be completely honest. Last season, I think everybody had been to jail. So this time- That's what I'm saying is like we had Teresa last season and we saw her discussing her prison stories with Richard Hatch. And ultimately though, like, Teresa, who had,

you know, experience be like being that I can get loud to woman on The Real Housewives, I didn't really show show up. Yeah, we had, yeah, we had the interaction with with New York. But I just felt like New York was trying so hard to like, you know lure her be like, let's have some fun Let's let's scrap and Teresa Teresa wanted to be a hero in the house of villains. And so um But if if this drita woman is bringing in obviously different show, but like I'm just saying you're you similar energy, uh, I like I'm just saying, similar energy, but I hope that it's like what we want, like get loud too. Yeah.

Well, yeah. You go ahead, Chappelle. No, I was just going to say that I think that she stands out obviously as somebody who is like going to come in and not going to be afraid to make messes in the way that Teresa came in and basically was like, I'm Mother Teresa now. Like we literally got a montage of her being like, I don't do that no more. That's not me. I want to read the message she made was cooking meals for people. And that was it. And mothering. Yeah. And that's it. And I, we can get some meals from Dr Drita, but like I really want to see her kind of,

you know, be the villain that she is. I want to, it will be our introduction to her. Instead of feeding us, we want her to eat. There we go. I love it. I love it. Well, last course here of the cast of House of Villains season three, from what you both are saying,

may have fit in more with the cast of season two, considering my research says that as of a month ago, she may be facing like 10 years in prison. Okay. All right. Todd, let's talk about Jackie Christie, Chappelle. They look, okay. Jackie is tied up with the fraud allegations right now, but she ain't in jail. Okay. If she was really, if there was really a problem,

she would not be able to go out and film your house of billings, okay? So I think Jackie's sit in jail is exaggerated for sure. And I think that like, depending on where you look, people will claim that this lady is getting life in prison. But Jackie Christie, this is the wife of Doug Christie, or as she will say, I have backup, I'm Jackie Marie Christie, this is the wife of Doug Christie. Or as she would say, back up, I'm Jackie Marie Christie, Doug Christie's wife.

I have companies. I have businesses. Because I'm a boss. I'm a boss. She was recently released from Basketball Wives after years of being one of the biggest personalities. And so now she's trying to branch out and find other things to do.

And so I would not be surprised if we see her on other shows after this. Now, is Jackie a villain? Yeah, I'd say so, yeah. I'd say so. Because Jackie's gonna start the pot. She's gonna start the pot. She has the quotes, you know,

she's going up against some of the, like the biggest personalities in basketball wives in this area. She's going up against some people who are icons and Jackie is somebody who the show, people started to question if the show even going to be good anymore with Jackie gone because she's such a big personality. I think the show will be fine. But I think Jackie Christie could bring a lot to this television screen. And this is a fun pick because I could have never saw this coming.

But now that she's not doing basketball while I was like, you know, I think we got time. Yeah. I mean, Jenny, this is the wife of the head coach of the Sacramento Kings but she's ready to be a queen in the house of villains. I mean, I think that she's already decided that she's queen, which it's like this, what's going to happen, you can't walk into New York's house, this is her house, and try to be the queen. We

saw when Queen Victoria walked in last season and she tried to be queen. We have to remember whose house you're walking into. I don't know, but I love that this woman is down to scrap and speaks her mind. Um, and, uh, you know, I, I hope don't approach this as like, I need a new job. You know what I mean? Like I just want, I want, I need to save off a possible prison sentence. I appear on the less likely they are to convict me. It's like, it's like the Tom Sandoval redemption arc, but like for prison for criminal charges, for criminal charge. Like, your honor, can I submit my performance on House of Villains season three? Look how good I am. No fraud, nothing fraudulent about this performance. This was truly me. Um, yeah, no, I, I, I trust

everything I have, I've read and heard about Jackie Christie and what what she's about. Um, and yeah, it's like, it's so hard to think about because like, these, this cast is such a bizarre group of people that it's like, who's gonna vibe with who? Yeah. Like that's the biggest puzzle for me right now. It's like, you know, it's just really on the same day that we just got the Survivor 50 cast and it's like, you know, we've

got like the red string connecting people and you know, like these are all people that many of them will have no idea who the other people are, which is really fun. Yeah, yeah, we don't have, unless we'll find out belatedly that there's another like worst cooks in America season. Like it doesn't seem like there's a lot of crossover between the cast members this season. No, I mean, yeah, because you know, we see often like in the two seasons of Passive Villains

that we've got that the people who have experienced doing competition reality TV, your challenge, your survivor, your big brother people, like they kind of take the lead on like this alliance of like gamers. It's like also kind of, you know, we see this in the traders as well, but I don't know, because I'm not necessarily, because there's always gonna be someone that's like, that's not their background, but they're coming to play the game, they might link up with someone that has a little bit

of competition reality TV background, and they run the table. I don't know. I just feel like I truly don't know how a season like this is going to play out. But that makes it fun. Yeah. Get these women some liquor, stat. Yes, leak. We got to get everybody a little bit, a little bit looser in the lips.

They need to be out here saying what's on their mind. I don't want anybody in here coming in. This isn't a crude show. Right, yeah. Especially when Jenny and I are going to cover it because it gets wild on the House of Villains recap over on the Hit or Quit podcast feed, AKA the House of Villains feed.

So yeah, I want all these people to loosen up and have a good time. And so we can see some of these big moments because the women on this cast, I think have the potential to just really change the game. I don't know what the men are gonna do to keep up, but the women on this cast, I think have the potential to just really change the game. I don't know what the men are going to do to keep up. But the women are just, they seem like they're all going to deliver. Well, I feel punch-drunk by the end of this, let alone the future inebriated cast of House

of Villains. Again, this news came out of nowhere for all of us, but I'm so thrilled to get the chance to break this cast down because I've seen a lot of stuff, maybe due to some understandable gripes we'll have with the cast of Survivor 50 being like, honestly, this might be the, you know, more heralded cast release of the day on Wednesday, May 28th. And I had so much fun getting to hear about the past of all of these villains to hopefully inform their presence that we will see in the future. It won't be until 2026 that Joe McKaylin company will rear their heads as we get to see what happens in House of Villains season three. But until then, thank you both so much for breaking it all down with me right now. We'll go around the horn, give any plugs if there are any Jenny let's start with you

well first of all Mike thank you again for having me on the reality flash I I just I've missed talking to you guys and I did not expect that House of Villain season three news was going to come up today and it was such an unexpected surprise to have to, you know, assemble the troops and talk about this. Such a joy. And yeah, I, you know, summer is approaching and I just like, I'm getting, I'm getting a little like stir crazy. I think I, I don't know. I feel like it's been a while.

It's been a hot minute since Chappelle and I have done something together. We are chaotic. We love to have fun together. We love to hop on the mics and talk some shit together. And so I don't know. I don't know what might happen in the coming weeks, but I feel it in my bones that Chappelle and I need to need to get things together. So follow me on social media at Jenny Autumn. If anything's coming out, I'll let you know.

And if Chappelle's there, then we're all lucky. We're all lucky. But yeah, this has been really great. Thank you again. And I freaking can't wait for 2026 for House of Villains season three. So many unexpected, delightful surprises on this cast. I'm very pumped. Very well said. Chappelle, I know you got a lot going on at all times. What would

you like to plug right now for the listeners? Well, of course, you can go subscribe to the Nothing But Netflix podcast, where Sasha and I are talking about sneaky links over there. So if you want a messy reality show on Netflix, go check that out. We should have the full season review up on our YouTube page and on the Nothing But Netflix podcast feed on NothingButPod.com. But Mike, one thing that I have been slowly disseminating throughout this reality TV community is that I am going to start a flavor of love rewatch. I'm going to do it on recapkickback.com and

I'm gonna be inviting all my friends to come join me for episodes of Flavor of Love and we're gonna deep dive into the lore that is New York Tiffany Pollard. And so this is perfect timing to go ahead and leak that. So yeah, so be on the lookout for an email or text from me when I ask y'all to come on, but also look out for the announcement, the official announcement from recapkickback.com while we go in and start with the Flavor of Love universe and then the I love New York universe and then the You know the Charm School universe and then rock of love universe and then I love money universe We're gonna do it as long as we can and so check that out subscribe recap kickback comm Subscribe or go to our YouTube page youtube.com slash at recap kickback. I

Am so excited for that I eagerly awaited Chappelle like hottie at the microwave, waiting for that chicken to cook, even though it never did. You know where I'm at, at a Mike Bloom type. Obviously, as we have alluded to, it was a big day in the world of reality TV. Rob Cicernino and I got together this morning

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