RHAP: We Know Survivor - UNLOCKED: Survivor 47 Premiere Q&A

Episode Date: September 21, 2024

The Survivor Q&A is back for Survivor 47! Each week, patrons can call in to chat with Rob Cesternino about everything going on in the latest episode of Survivor.

Hey everybody, what's going on? Rob Sestranino back here for another season of the Survivor Q&A. I loved the Survivor 46 patron Q&A. It was one of my favorite podcasts of the week. I love doing this. I love getting to hear from you all and get your questions. What are the people on the street, specifically the patrons on the street, what do they have to say? So we leave this spot on Fridays for people to call in. You've seen the show. You've heard my post-game show. You've seen the know-it-alls. You've heard the exit interview. Now it's your turn. What are you thinking? What do you want to ask me? Maybe what things am I missing? So this is your chance to come in and talk to me. A couple of things here at the top of the show. What we have done on this is that

we stream it out live on YouTube, but only the patrons have the link. So only the patrons can call in. Anybody can watch it, but we make it private after. So if you want to watch it after the fact, you want to listen to the podcast, you want to call in, you got to be a patron. That's how it works. And now we're going to do a feed drop on this one. So if you're listening to this in the main feed, there must be some mistake. How am I listening to this for free? I'm not a patron. No, we dropped it as a, we call it a feed drop. We dropped it in there. Little, a little, you know, oh, you're walking around the mall. Would you like to try this bourbon chicken? Okay, I'll try one. That's what we're doing here today. Okay, I'll try one. That's what we're doing here today. But something that we just started,

and maybe this will be a huge disaster and we'll have to turn it off. We've made it. You can try being a patron. There's different tiers. At the first tier, you can try being a patron for seven days for free. Okay. Now that's not, you can also be a free patron, which is a little confusing and a free patron you get access to. We'll post things on Patreon that you don't have to be a subscriber to get. That's different. get. That's different. This is, you can come in, get the podcast feed and try it for several days. That's a brand new thing that's unlocked. Go to robbizwebsite.com slash Patreon. Robbizwebsite.com slash patron, I should say. And we've been trying on a lot of different other rebranding, okay? I've also gotten the URL RHAP plus. Okay. I don't know if people are going to like that or not. If it sticks, we'll use it. RHAP plus you can use as well for our Patreon feed. A lot of other stuff going on also at this hour. We've got, uh, Nicole sending me texts that are NSFW.

We've got the BBQ&A is going to be tomorrow. I'll be live with Taryn answering your Big Brother questions. That's going to be at noon Eastern. So on Saturday, live feed update followed by the BBQ&A. Next Friday, both are going to be on Friday as of right now. Okay? We'll see. We might have,

it's Dominic's birthday, but we might have to move it. Nicole says there's a hurricane coming. So as of right now, look for both the Q&As to be next Friday. And then one other programming note. Okay? We got still,

I'm going to do Club Condo coming up on Monday with Chappelle. But on Tuesday, Tuesday is a big day because I have a podcast that I wanted to do. I looked at the calendar. And of course, every week I do This Week in Survivor History with Jordan Kalish. But this Tuesday, I've been thinking very much about 2014, very important year in my life. And I looked at the calendar. I said, hey, you know, Tuesday is the 10-year anniversary of Survivor San Juan del Sur. And I was thinking, maybe we should do a podcast to commemorate the 10-year anniversary of the premiere

of Survivor San Juan del Sur, as we think back to 10 years ago exactly from the premiere of Survivor San Juan del Sur. Of course, there's nobody I have more fun watching old Survivor with than Josh Wigler. And so Josh Wigler and I will be live for our Survivor San Juan del Sur 10-year anniversary podcast

coming up on Tuesday. Okay, that being said, Survivor 47, two-hour premiere, lots of reactions to what was going on. We had some fun podcasts, had a nice chat with John Lovett. I was listening to John Lovett talk about his experience on his podcast earlier today. But let's get into, this is the patron show. So let me bring in. I got a lot of people on hold. And let's bring in. Let me start off with Danielle. Okay.

Danielle, how are you? I'm doing great, Rob. How are you? Doing great, Danielle. What's new? I don't know what's new. You got your Jelinski merch on? I do.

Yeah. Yeah. I thought I'd give my RJP stuff a break. Nice. Nice. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. What's going on, Danielle? linsky merch on i do yeah yeah i thought i'd give my rjp stuff a break nice nice okay yeah yeah what's going on danielle um i i feel like you're doing this 10-year anniversary podcast just for me uh it's because san juan del sur is where i found you so i that's like i have the most memories with you danielle i see i think that's what appeals to me about why i especially want to do it is because i i don't think that you're alone.

I feel like I've got a whole soundboard full of San Juan del Sur clips that we might be able to pull out here. So, hey, I, I just rewatched the season and i also listened to know it all's along with it shut your mouth call me g call me d so yeah you really found the soundboard that season i literally did um yes that is correct so i do think that there was something in 2014 that really like between the show and then I was in the right place at the right time. And a lot of people were looking for this content. So I do think it was a special time. And so I do think that it's going to be fun to go back and visit that on Tuesday with Josh. Yeah. And Josh always has such good energy. I glad he's back um yeah with us especially on Twitter so yeah I'm very excited for that and that is not even 47 related so well I think also

like Josh is watching 47 I think we'll get like uh like sort of what I like about it is also it's premiere week so we could talk about okay this is what happened in this premiere this is what happened in this premiere also it's very easy to go back and watch this only one hour show. It's practically a TikTok. I know. It's such a breeze. And I know often when y'all rewatch it, you watch it a little quick, too. So that's even faster. Yeah.

Yeah. I think it'll be a fun one. Okay. So, Danielle, what'd you think about the premiere of Survivor 47? Yeah. Nearly a vine. Yes. Thank you, Josh.

Yeah. Which is, yeah. By the way, this is very interactive. Please like comment away. Bring your comments in. Josh, I beat him in RHAP fantasy football last week. Oh my God. Yeah.

I didn't even know about the RHAP fantasy football. Josh can bring it up. But yeah, I'll talk. I'll reserve the smack talk for later. But no, I thought the premiere was really good. I've been trying to figure out. I'm not, I'm not always like super into the premiere i like it when people are like more worn in i don't know i compare it to like a pair of converse like i love the shoe but i like it

when it's like a little bit more beat up sure so i like so i really check in around like episode four i feel like which is when i predicted john would go home yeah yeah so i was surprised at that but um i think the one tribal versus three tribal idols are setting us up for a lot of lies in regards to the power of an idol similar to what Tony was doing. So I'm excited. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? think it's a lot of improv out there for what rules are you going to come up with that um are believable um and i think survivor has handed them a prompt already so i think i think there's some work that people can do with that yeah i just don't really i think it kind of breaks the game i hope that we don't have that where it's like you know this is something that came up a lot in survivor 44 of like okay that here's this is a real idol and this is also another like highly produced idol that production made but this one's actually not

real uh and then it's like okay this is a uh this is a perfectly good idol but what you don't know is that the expiration date passed and so like how am i supposed to know that yeah yeah i just i think it's always fun seeing what people come up with um and then i think we might see the playoff in 49 and 50 next year as to what's happening with these idols this year yeah okay yeah um danielle are they allowed to wear hats Everyone was covering their face like this. And I am concerned. Oh, they didn't have hats? Yeah.

And I know like Brad Culpepper, Danny, I can picture hats. And I'm just wondering. I had a hat. Yeah. Has casting gone away from that? If somebody wants to play, I'm like really scared about the no hat. Do they not give them hats anymore? I don't know. Somebody will probably keep an eye on that.

Yeah. Literally everyone was like this in the premiere and i i think everyone should have a hat if that's allowed i know when they got rid of sunglasses but i didn't know why they would get rid of hats yeah okay that's not one that i have the answer to that's okay somebody text asia are you allowed to have a hat how is casting baby are you in the chat right now? Being a baby Andy, I feel so justified. Last season, I called in because I had just participated in Survivor Orlando,

and I felt uneasy on my team because nobody was cheering my name on in a challenge. And I got voted out very soon after that. So when he wasn't getting cheered on for that coconut, I was like, it means something. It means something, even though it shouldn't have been discussed on the mat in the way that it was the confessional. I agreed with. Yeah. The cheering. I do think that there was something there. I think that, that there was something like with Tim last season, when Tim was like calling out everybody, like, come on this person, come on this person. Like, I do think that, you know, it's great. The people that you're cheering for, but the people that you're not cheering for also do, I think, take a note, like, why aren't they cheering for me? Yeah. And it's like almost working with children.

You have to make sure you're not by including somebody in too much because they're often excluded. Now you might actually be excluding somebody who had always been included, but now he's not being included. So it's like an interesting balance there. Especially on day so early when you're learning their personalities as well. For sure. Yeah. I feel like the other thing was, I liked what Omer said about the culture of the season hadn't been developed yet. I hadn't heard that phrase before.

I know we talk about the win like people playing like the winner of the last season they saw but i didn't think about what happens on the mat on day three is how people handle it on day six and seven so i thought that was a nice comment yeah i feel like that we talk about a little bit more even in big brother where it's like the like the house sort of like uh when angela ends up like making a big speech on day four, it really like shapes the whole season. And I do wonder last season where Jelinski, your guy, was such a destabilizer early on.

How much of a halo effect does that have for the rest of the season? Yeah. And Liz has pointed out that the last episode they saw before flying out was her I'm pissed episode. So like they really got hit with a lot of emotion. So to be thinking about as they go in. But yeah, I'm excited. I think this is I like every season of Survivor, so I don't mind.

But yeah, I thought this was a really fun premiere. I am bummed and I'm sorry you got the grenade, but it's okay. Honestly, like I'm not worried about like, I would say of the six people on the draft, I think I probably have like the least skin in the game of the, especially considering that I was only in one draft and I am the winner of the one draft that I was in. So I lived by the grenade last season. I died by the grenade. Asia will come back next season. It was a good two season arc for me in the draft.

And now everybody, if they want, can root for Asia to win and then also still have a chance to win the draft. So I personally, it did not bother me at all. I thought it was perfect. Yeah, and it worked out very nicely. But it just is a bummer to see John go. to keep and it's always like well we got to keep andy so it's okay yeah and my cat's name is andy and he's here oh yes but not after uh that andy different a different a different andy a different famous yes a different andy on an island yes

oh my god that is funny okay i'll write that down yes a different andy who felt lonely on an island. Yes. Oh my God. That is funny. Okay. I'll write that down. Yes. A different Andy who felt lonely on an island. Oh, that's so good. Um, Rob, I've missed you all summer, so I'm happy that we're back. Yes. Well, I was here, Danielle. You weren't. I thought you would do more patron calls, but you did the one in June and then you were like, I do one every week, but it's just about big brother. Yeah. Yeah. I'm employed this year, so I couldn't get into it. Yeah. Okay. No worries.

All right. Talk to you soon. Okay? Okay. Bye. All right. Bye. Okay.

All right. We've got a loaded waiting room here. Okay. Let's bounce around a little bit. Okay. Let me say hi to Rainer. Hi, Rainer. How are you? Hey, Rob. I'm doing great. I also missed you over the summer. Yes, I know. Well, look, I love doing the BB Q&A and there's some overlap,

but it's some different faces that are back here. My survivor friends are back today. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm biased. I'm biased. Yes. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I'm biased. I'm biased. Yes. Okay. Uh, what's going on, man? Um, medical school is busy. It's busy. Yes. That's what I don't know if you remember from the last time we talked, but I'm in the, I'm in the trenches. I, I, not only do I remember, I believe you talked about how Sophie had a checklist, right you know make sure that you don't take the wrong leg right yeah and so we have our er doctor this season yes we do yes we do i'm interested to see how he plays i actually thought he did a really good job of comparing triaging to the

game of survivor yeah something that i i hadn't thought about but it makes a lot of sense makes a lot of sense yeah so personally i i'm in the, I'm in like the evidence-based sort of stuff. Like that's what I'm trying to, to bring over to survivor. Like we were talking about the checklist, you know, taking away all these like cognitive problems and biases and Rob this week, I hyper fixated on what this week I hyper fixated a little Corey Bortenberger tweeted out during the episode, something along the lines of, man, being the weakest guy in your tribe is a death sentence in the new era. Yeah. And my first thought was, you're so wrong.

You're so wrong, Corey. Let me show you why you're wrong. And I don't know. I thought, you know, there's been weak guys who went really far in the game uh weak you know uh that people like romeo romeo made it all the way to the final tribal omer i don't think omer would say that he's you know a five-star athlete um you know there's other ways that people show their strength, but just in terms of pre-merge strength, the type of person that you might want lugging a giant boat down the sand with you. Um, so I got to work trying to prove Corey wrong. Uh, and so I did statistics. Rob, what do you know about statistics? A little bit. A little bit. Stats 101, 102?

I probably, you know, took something in college, but, you know, it's been a minute, but I would love to hear your findings. Yes, yes, absolutely. I did a science, Rob. I did a science. And so I just pretty much put everybody, everybody on the cast i got like a big table from the survivor wiki and i put them on an excel sheet and i looked and i said now let's start off with just are you perceived as weak or are you perceived as not weak and i've charted out whether they made the pre-merge or the merge. And this is what I got. I don't know if I can. I'm not allowed to hear.

So pre-merge, merge, week, not week. So there were 13 people. Let me, here, I'm going to go full screen on you, okay? Okay. Oh, my God. Or at least I'll make you the featured box, okay? So I'm not going to be totally off the screen. Okay, so 13 people who made the pre-merge were, or I'm sorry, is this voted out in the pre-merge? Yes.

Voted out in the pre-merge were considered weak. 19 people were considered not weak. And then the people who made the merge, 16 were considered weak and 55 were considered not weak. And this is just the new era and the and this is all people not just men this is all people okay got it and so that was just like my first thought well let me see if if this thought because we've all had this thought in the new era is weakness weakness in the pre-merge can be seen as like something that you're going to get targeted for and uh this is like what we've seen we saw especially in the first-merge can be seen as like something that you're going to get targeted for. And this

is like what we've seen. We saw it, especially in the first couple of seasons where a lot of women would go out really early and we were wondering a lot of concern about are these like super physical challenges hurting women. And so I don't know if you saw the number at the bottom, but that was a P equals 0.058. And so back in statistics, we have an obsession with a P value. And all that is, is the number that we calculate that says, how likely is this that it didn't happen by chance? Something like that, right? Pretty much, we just want that number to be less than 0.05 most of the time. And the number was greater than 0.05, just for that category. And so I said to myself, okay, I'm on the right path.

Corey's wrong. Being weak, even though it's super close, there wasn't a big difference, being weak doesn't mean that you're gonna get a voted out in the pre-merge. But then I thought, well, he didn't say weak, he said weakest. So I said, okay, well, let me rank everybody in terms of the, on a scale of one, two, three,

one being the weakest man or woman, and then two and three being their respective places with three being the strongest. And so, you know, there's a lot of times when somebody may be the weakest man on their tribe but not seen as weak uh think of like jd like jd is not seven feet tall like broccoli brad and jd is not just quite as proficient as rick hard was i wouldn't say jd was uh romeo or zach wortenberger but with no disrespect to them right but just to get an idea so then i looked at weakest versus not weakest and if they made the pre-merge okay here so let me go back uh on this larger image okay yeah all right we can just focus on, oh, there it is. That number right there. So if you were, okay, P equals.001. So that means that there is not a lot of randomness here?

That means that we expect pretty much that this should not be occurring by chance. Yeah. So being the weakest, this is again men and women, being the weakest on your tribe of your gender meant that you were more likely to be voted out in the pre-merge yeah okay much more than the merge but i think that's conventional wisdom right i agree i agree so i think now we have uh a footing here and i also broke it down uh to be gendered uh man all men or all women. And it held up.

Yeah. It was also more of the same. But I just thought it was interesting. I would love to know that for six person tribes in general, because I feel like that I, too, was victim of this horrible idea of, hey, let's vote out the weakest guy from our group of six. Mm-hmm. And it looks like it's holding up. I think there were maybe there's 14 men

that were the weakest. And when I did all this, I excluded anybody who was like medibacked or quit the game, that sort of thing. There were 14 men who were the weakest and half of them ended up going in the pre-merge. And then of all the men who were not the weakest, I mean, there's like, there was like 36 and only seven of them in the pre-merge. So I know there's like, Corey was right. Conventional wisdom is right. But I had to

prove it because you can't just take things at face value because then that's how you're wrong. Okay. You know what happens when you assume wrong. Yeah. All right. Well, the next thing that we need to figure out is what can these guys do? I think what they can do is, you know, it's kind of like the old saying. You don't have to be the fastest person

running away from a bear i but i butchered that you just have to be faster than the guy next to you that's it so i think you just gotta work your ass off yeah you just gotta work your ass off and not be the weakest guy and i mean it's kind of shady to john because like he was i think he talked about working out a lot yeah and getting into like hot yoga and it's not like he's a weak guy just the weakest in his tribe and i think if you were to look at him you might think oh i don't know can he give us that much strength in a challenge it's tough yeah all right yeah maybe you go to the carson School of bulking up 30 pounds. Maybe. Maybe also easier to do when you're 21 and not 41. That's fair.

That's fair. I don't know. Okay. All right. Well, Rainer, thank you so much for the call, okay? Yeah, no problem. Good talking to you. Take care.

Bye. Bye. Okay. All right. We got a lot of people on hold, so let uh start getting to see how many people we can get to today let's say hi to uh let's say hi to cj hey cj how are you hey rob what's up what's going on man uh not much uh just uh enjoying uh the what a great premiere that was it was uh just really awesome i think one of the best of the new era, to be honest with you.

Yeah, I saw, you know, pretty high praise for the premiere on Wednesday night. Yeah, I think just why I think we got to see everybody. We got to hear from everybody. And then, you know, even on a on a boot episode, we heard a lot from from John. I think that's that's always good is I feel like you want to hear, if someone's going out, you want to make sure you hear their point of view or their perspective. They got a lot of mileage out of him for one night. Yeah. So that's good.

Rooting for Asia. That was just awesome. She was all over the place. Just love that. She got, like you said, a fast pass into an alliance just uh with teeny there and that's uh that's awesome uh i think the the dynamics of the red tribe i think are they actually the most interesting to me uh just with you know all of rome's antics and then asia leading the uh the watch party if you will um but i think that that kind of the thing that i was

wanted to ask you about is where does that kind of leave Genevieve? Because she's the one who says, oh, I like Rome and I want to work with Rome and brought Rome up to teeny. And now Rome's just got this target on his back with an idol that he may have to end up using. Does that mean she's just going to be the odd person out in that situation? Yeah, that's a really good point. I hadn't been thinking about it as it pertains to Genevieve, that we don't know how close they are, right? And to what lengths that she might go to. I'm trying to remember if she was also in that group.

I do remember it says Asia and Teenie and Saul that were there following around Rome. I think it was Gashan. And Gashan. Was Genevieve there too? No, she was just the four of them. So Genevieve wasn't anywhere in that. She wasn't anywhere in that situation.

And the only reason I brought it up is because Genevieve pitched Rome when she was talking with Tini about possibly working with Tini and Gashan. And then Tini was like, well, you know, hold up. I got a little, you know, spot saved here for,

uh, Asia. It is quite a predicament. And I don't think that we've had this situation exactly where somebody in the pre-merge in the new era is the target and has the idol. The only time I could think of where it happened was in survivor 44, when Maddie wanted to target Brandon Cottom. And she was like, hey, tonight's the night.

He's not going to play the idol. We're going to. And then I'm not sure if it was. Did Matthew tell him to play the idol then that night? I don't remember. I think I can't remember. I can't remember if it because I think maybe they thought that it was going to be Jenny. Or maybe they told him that. Yes. And then she played her shot. Yes. I can't remember. I can't remember if it, cause I think maybe they thought that it was going to be Jenny or maybe they told him that.

Yes. And then she played her shot. Yes. I can't remember. So, but that's the only time. And that's the real danger of you try to blindside these people. Like,

I think that really the move is you have to make them think that it's going to be them, get them to bluff their idol or bluff them to play their idol and then vote somebody else. Yeah. I think that would probably be it. And they might need Genevieve to do it if she wants to save her own skin. She would just probably need if she catches wind that Rome may have an idol to say, hey, I think you're good.

Don't play your idol, because if you play your idol, I'm probably going to be the one that goes home. Yeah. So we'll see. It's going to be a tricky thing to figure out. Yeah. I'm really excited to see how the season plays out. It looks fun.

Everybody seems like they've got the game in them. Like everyone seems, seems ready to go. It's given me, you know, 45 vibes where he just had so many people who were just really down to play. And that, that, that excites me.

Yeah. CJ, it's hard. It's not like when I played when you could go out to Survivor and there's 12 people that have never seen this show before. Yeah, right. It's just so many super fans. I can't wait, man. It's awesome. It's going to be a great season and I can't wait to see how it turns out. CJ, I love how pumped up you are. No, man. Surviv no man survivors like it was survivors have been like the thing that got me into reality tv so it's got like a little spot in my heart uh for the game uh but this big brother season is awesome too and so if we have a

good big brother season followed up by a really awesome survivor season back to back like who can't who can complain about that. Yeah. Okay. CJ, thank you so much. Okay. All right. Take care, Rob.

See you. Okay. Let's say hello to Sarah. Okay. Hey, Sarah, how are you? Me?

Sure. Sure. Yeah. It's flipped. Yes. No, I'm not. I wasn't sure if I was going wake the baby up but i see the

baby oh no everyone's everyone's awake okay um i so i um have a theory about why there are so many podcasters on this season yes why are there so many podcasters on survivor i don't know i don't know if anyone's pointed this out but I think this is the first season that started casting after Jeff himself became a podcast host of On Fire. Right. Right. And you know how when you have a new interest, you get very excited about it. You think about it all the time. You you're super pumped when you meet somebody who's also into that.

I can just see him in these casting interviews like, so I hear you're a pumped when you meet somebody who's also into that i can just see him in these casting interviews like so i hear you're a podcaster you know i've recently gotten into podcasting he's like hey what kind of microphone do you use like you'll have to ask asia if they talked podcasting during the casting interviews yeah okay um that is an interesting theory of like oh yeah oh you're a podcaster i'm a podcaster the casting people are like you know what jeff is super into right now podcasting like find him some podcasters he'll love that um well i don't know if they found i think these people applied to be on the show but i do think that maybe it was something that like i he did uh maybe see a little bit more of like uh like wow that is hard to do uh that's like i was remembering he said that during the interview you did with him where he's

like yeah now that i'm podcasting and i see how much goes into it you know i see what you're doing so yeah and i do i listen to the on fire podcast every week it is part of my thursday uh routine a lot on the mud this week i i haven't listened to there's a lot it's hard to keep up with all this right now with the last two years with big brother and survivor did you have any questions sarah about the mud i i really hadn't thought that much about if you were gonna talk about this week's survivor episode first first thing you'd want to talk about clearly i'll go right to that the mud now knowing that it's all on mud you need a good a good 10 minutes on the mud i think all right well i mean if you can talk 10 minutes about mud, it must be interesting. There must be something interesting about the mud, right?

Yeah. All right. Well, I'll see. We'll see. And then I know it's Survivor U.S. Premier Week, but it is also Survivor Australia versus World. Yes. Casting. I can't believe that was only this week. That was only Monday. This week. So my dreams Monday. It was this week. So my dreams are coming true.

You said it would never happen, but here we are. George and Ceri are playing on Survivor together. I don't think she's going to like him. I love George. We'll see. Who loves George? Who loves George? My daughter loves Curious George.

Curious George, yes. So I only have one more wish on my wish list for this season is if they have someone from Survivor New Zealand and it is not Lisa, I will die. OK, I thought that your wish. I'm so relieved, Sarah, because I thought you were saying that I have a wish that it's somebody from New Zealand and it's not Lisa. No, if it is not Lisa. Could you imagine? Wouldn't that be exciting? If this is, there was another patron that was playing on Survivor.

I mean, oh, my God. Could you imagine? A renapper? A renapper. On Survivor. That would be very exciting. Keeping my fingers crossed. Could you imagine? A renapper? A renapper. On Survivor. So that's... That would be very exciting. Keeping my fingers crossed.

That's the last thing on the checklist for the season. I could not ask for anything more. Yeah. So we'll see. Okay. All right, Tara. Well, I hope that everybody over there is giving you some time to enjoy all the podcasts. Never.

No time ever. Relatable. Yeah. All right, Tara. Thank you so much for the call, okay? Yeah, have a good day, Rob. All right, take care. Bye.

Okay. Let's say hello to... Okay. Let's say hello to Minnow. Hey, Minnow. How are you? Oh, my gosh. Hi, Mr. Gamer.

Mr. Gamer. Yes. I think Mr. Gamer was Mr. Gamer. Yes. Uh, that's, you know, that's, uh, I think Mr. Gamer was in the chat. I saw. Yes. Yes. Yes. How are you? I'm doing quite well. Last night I finished, um, Kageyan for the first time. Congratulations on your very first live survivor premiere. Yes, it was my first live survivor premiere i had so much fun it's so hard to focus when you also want to talk to everybody at the same time too but i had a blast doing it it was i mean it's just survivor is good like survivor is good and so that you just to reset

your whole story you found survivor 46 i believe on the mariah boot episode correct yes and then said oh what's this and then i have proceeded to go and watch many many seasons more than several all of big brother listen to entire seasons of the big brother recap perhaps yes and now and now Perhaps. Yes. And now look at you, your first premiere. Yes. I will say, I think Rome has me definitely beat on the speed of which seasons are being watched. Although, I don't know. Yeah. Rome watched them all, what, in three months? Yeah. Yeah. Every single one. To the speed run of Survivor? Absolutely. I listened to all the podcasts between um to try and get like an idea of what it was feeling like at the moment so definitely not as fast yeah but yeah i've

currently watched all of the new era millennial verse gen x davis glice and now kagayan yeah so now i'm wondering like should i do san juan Laurent Dulcer next? Oh, yeah. Come with us. Tuesday, 10-year anniversary. I know. I'm sure I could get a few episodes in by then. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm excited to chat. I was just thinking, so I just watched Millennials vs. Gen X right before Kaga Yan, right?

And I have to say one thing that I don't think I heard it come up too much so far. I mean, it's only been two days, but I was wondering if when we see what happened to Andy, right, I don't want to talk it from a strictly negative perspective, right? I think who knows what could happen, but I was thinking, I don't have the most knowledge of Survivor, right?

But just watch Millennials vs. Gen X with David Wright. And I listened to podcasts, right, between every episode and such. And I felt there was such... It's amazing that you have the time to listen to podcasts in between each episode, but go on. I'm finding a job right now. You know, David, so much it felt was very heavy on like, what is David Wright doing? What is he? He's so paranoid, right? He's making this crazy moves. Why is he playing this idol for Jessica? And then the rest of like so much of this season

sitting there and it's like, we have to get David out because of this underdog story that he's developed. Right. And I'm thinking then though, he couldn't make it to the end though, because of this underdog story that he's developed. Right. And I'm thinking then though, he couldn't make it to the end though, because of how quickly he turned this around and, um, how much though it became a part of a story and how open he was about like, I've overcome my anxiety. Then we've also seen Owen Knight, Owen Knight and David Wright that rhymes, um, Owen Knight become a zero vote finalist with an underdog story. So I was just thinking, have we actually seen someone win with the kind of beginning of like a lot of that emotion and that underdog story in a way that resembles those two? Or would Andy be the first of his kind and a new archetype if he were to win?

Yeah. So this is a good question. I'm just trying to like cycle through it. Well, you know what? I feel like that Gabler might be the person who kind of had like the messy start, you know, has a little bit of, you know, not really fitting in. Then kind of goes under the radar. And I mean i know you're talking about owen um but owen didn't really have like a a messy beginning you know things didn't go owen's way along but you know gabler like has like the you know it's a very bad start and then ends up like working his way all the way back yeah that's what i was thinking from what i've seen i'm looking in the chat and i do think i would say like in terms of like it was very out there and emotional and a lot of it of it was have been centered on andy which i think differentiates from someone like adam klein like

i don't really think it's i i do see more of like a david David Wright comparison in terms of just that very beginning. But it's interesting what I just I thought it was a curious thing. I feel from what I've seen so far, it it feels like, oh, you know, you know, we've we haven't seen someone really take it around from what I'm hearing and what I've seen. take it around from what I'm hearing and what I've seen. So I think it would be an interesting and very compelling story that I do think could win given the right circumstances, but I don't think we've exactly seen so far. And he's a good guy, you know? Yeah. Stephen was talking about how hard it is to be out there and then you are out of your comfort zone and people are talking about you and you know i was reminded of i know so many of the patrons play in the blood on the clock tower games with dwight like yourself and i'm reminded of a recent blood on the clock tower game where

i came in and i basically had you you know that you know this? Yeah. Yes, I was watching. And I, and I confided in somebody like, hey, here's who I am. They said, okay, great. I trust you. Here's who, here's who you are. And then I guess in this scenario, I was a little bit like the John Lovett of that. The person that I confided in got murdered and then said, well, it must have been Rob because he's the only person I know. And everybody's like, Rob, is this true? I'm like, what? And I did not handle it with the grace that John Lovett handled it. And then everybody's like, oh, very sus. Rob is sus. Like, no, no, you have to believe me uh and there was no coming back for for me so you know when people like are you're on the outs it's very hard to be your normal like uh

calm self and not be panicky yeah and that is a classic blow on the clock tower strategy in in many ways of of you know telling only one or two people your role in order to try and say, well, if anything happens to me, but a lot of times that goes wrong. So, um, yeah, I mean, I, I was just, you know, I didn't say anything. I'm good. Yeah. That can backfire. You tell me something. It's in the vault. I'm the same way. I'm the same way when i play um but i've had an interesting track record with winning i've only won as the one role that it's like you have to play for the other side the whole time i had to be a floater basically the whole time to win and i won but i haven't really won properly yeah um but yeah so much fun i love survivor but yeah it's we're so back yeah yeah all right so

i'm probably san juan del sur next for me all right that'll be fun well that's right after you just watched 28 so go right to 29 that's good yeah yeah yeah all right talk to you soon okay bye all right bye okay uh let me pick up all right i think i've noticed that somebody is in the is on hold and has is is where it has a prop i believe okay let me bring in a guy that our most active chatter i believe steven c out on long island said he just went to Roosevelt Field Mall. Are you wearing the Grateful Dead shirt? Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob. I have several of these.

And when I heard Baby Andy talk about... What's it got? The teddy bears? Yep. Teddy bears with the surfboards. Now, are you a poser like Andy? Are you... Rob, I've been to a couple of concerts at Citi Field. John Mayer performing.

It's great music. It's great music. And it's going to serve me well one day. I know how to vibe with people. You're afraid of the weed, right? No, no, no. It's great. It's great, Rob.

I can't lie, man. It is better than alcohol. It is life-saving. It is medicinal. You got to use it correctly. But Rob, trust me. Trust me. trust me yeah trust me it's good you got you gotta you gotta know your limits but listen i am ready you are right i have a prop i bought my tinfoil hat i'm happy i got brought on like right after minnows because i'm also going to be talking about baby andy yeah right like baby andy right here

let me just uh here Let me for you. And if you guys have a pot, I'm going to have a pot, too. OK. Listen, listen, that's what my dad calls it. And, you know, come on. Yeah. Marijuana. This kind of sounds like a fun time to do it.

The pot stuff with my fellow housemates. Angela. As long as it's not illegal. I don't want to get in trouble. As long as it's not illegal. I don't want to get in trouble. As long as it's not illegal. Listen, it's very legal. I have Crohn's disease. If you want to learn more about that, CBS will cast me on 49

and I'll share my life story. But hey, video is in. I'm training with grip strength like Charlie. Grip strength like Charlie, not like Joseph. Come on. I'm not called in. Come on. This is like Carrot Top called in. I'm not familiar with Carrot Top.

I'm sorry. A lot of props. Rob, I became a patron like three weeks ago. This whole year has been a life-changing year. I fully just embraced myself because of the community. I've always been in the community. and i just got bullied as a kid and screw those people okay perfect it'd be great so i'm wearing the grateful head shirt for baby andy let me get my tinfoil hat he's got more than four friends now oh of course i was john love it i was

john love it i was john love it in high school. I had literally zero friends. My friend was the book. So listen, Baby Andy, let's just get into Survivor. I don't want to take up any more time, right? I'm not a character. This isn't my show. But I'm sitting there in the premiere. I drafted Baby Andy first round in my family's draft. I'm like, let's go. Oh, you drafted Baby Andy?

Must be nice. I have John Lovett. Well, you know, I have Baby Andy. I have Asia., I have Asia, and I have my man Rome, who had a very interesting premiere. But Baby Andy is who I want to talk about because I see a lot of myself in him, and then I watch that premiere and I'm like,

oh no, I don't want that to happen for me one day, right? And look, I don't have the experience. I've never been to Fiji to play Survivor. That very well could happen to me, right? But here's my tinfoil hat theory because yep this is all calculated that andy is this is a strategy this is a move by andy we have talked about in the past i'm going to take this off because it's a little silly but um like you and steven fishback have talked about i know it all it's like what is the line that we can tow in terms of making yourself appear as this oh he can't win let's drag him to the end this goat right yeah

versus making yourself the immediate first boot and because you know he might have clocked john love it as the first boot or maybe that where there were talks that weren't shown on the episode on the edit maybe he knew like okay if we first, I can throw John under the bus, like you talked about. And he didn't ultimately want to do that. And then once that became like the reality. So I don't think that that's exactly like, you're saying that there was like some sort of like premeditation on what Andy did.

I really don't think that that was the case. And Andy, I think might might have some big ideas, and hopefully he sticks around long enough that we get to see them. But from what I understand, I listened to John Lovett on his podcast talk a little bit more about this, that as Jeff told us, the yellow tribe and the blue tribe were total disasters. total disasters. I believe that the

Asia's red team, that I believe that they finished their entire puzzle while the other tribes were still in the water. I believe that Andy was just so overly exerted. John Lovett was saying

it took so long for them to get the challenge done. I uh john love it was it took so long for them to get the challenge done i just think that it was sheer like andy was just totally gassed i i don't think that there was any sort of like uh premeditation to what he was doing to sort of like uh just like i think he really just like gassed himself out no i could totally see that and like you know that's why i'm doing lindsey carmine in the patron was like uh and maybe he was not even back to like uh at the point that he was on the mat to do the mate like maybe he wasn't even back to 100 yet to be back out there like talking about these things so um i i don't think that there was any sort of like

you know strategy coming from andy in any of that that's honestly probably the correct take and this is just me as somebody who drafted baby andy first round rhap yeah you're a guy in a grateful dead shirt calling in a podcast with a tinfoil hat on. Like, I get it. Like, come on. Yeah. So, man, you put everything into the best words. And that's why I love you. Long Island Strong. Yes. Steven, I love the effort and the energy. Please keep it coming.

Okay. Listen, I'm so happy I joined. And that was really all I wanted to say. To give baby Andy his props. Like, he clearly has the mind for the game. And like, let's show him some grace. Like, there's only so, there's only like, what, 23 more days to go. Anything could happen.

The guy knows his stuff. There's about 100 patron calls that are like this that you could go back and watch. We have the receipts, okay? And I hope I'm not speaking too much out of school. I did send word to baby Andy, hope you're doing okay. And he said that he has been, uh, staying offline and he is, uh, at least to me made it sound like that he is, he's doing, he's doing pretty good. So, uh, just to pass that along from, uh, baby Andy. okay? Yeah, that's all I can hope.

I mean, personally, that's all I can hope for. I see, honestly, a lot of myself. I'm working in AI soon and RHAP Patreon. I want to make you proud if I ever get the chance. So got to support baby Andy, right? And thank you for entertaining my props and all this. Okay. All right.

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All right. Great call by Stephen. Rack him. Okay, let's say hello to Josh. Enjoy economy. No, of course. What a moment to have Rob has a podcast called out on the show. I mean, I know I'm just grateful that we're in this era of Survivor and Rob has a podcast really being coexisting. Yeah, it's beautiful. It's so great. community like like leading up to the season i kind of felt like that they were like gonna lean into that like a little bit about like hey like uh yeah this is this is a community between like there's never been a time when you the person who's sitting on the couch and the person who's on the island have you've never been closer you're like we're all part of like this weird club slash family that is survivor yeah no there's like half a degree of separation between you the person who's watching and what's happening right here they're definitely doing everything they can to decrease that distance with all the you know the beach drops like the the live screenings right there find another show that is you get more access to on television of like, you don't get to watch, you know,

uh, Abbott elementary or, uh, name another show. I don't know. I mean, yeah, not even these other reality shows,

right? Like it's, it's different than even like, you know, real housewives or the traders. Like those people are on, you know, like a whole different planet.

Right. Right. You don't watch, you know, a real housewives of atlanta and hang out with phaedra yeah exactly so i i love that they're leaning into it and also of course like kudos i mean i'm just glad that you're getting some some recognition some name drops you know like what four almost 40 seasons since you've played like it's i don't know it's it's awesome almost yeah next next season

be 40 seasons yeah yeah um but one person that i'm wondering has he joined our community what are the chances that obama watched this episode i couldn't help but think of like i don't know i don't know how close uh like i i wouldn't maybe if like john favreau was on the season, maybe Obama would have watched it. I kind of get the sense that like I like I feel like that John like from the pod save America that I've listened to. I kind of feel like that they sort of like treat John as sort of like that. He's like the person in the friend group who, you know, gets like the like the pot shots. So, yeah, I don't i don't know i think that probably he saw a clip i doubt that uh barack obama and michelle sat around and watched survivor

on wednesday night yeah probably not while they're actively out there you know on the road right now probably not campaigning for kamala probably not so um but i okay you talked about mud can i talk about mud for a second um i won't talk 10 minutes i promise but i i i just want to say i like the idea of the mud yeah i think i do too good you had a good take about like it's it's tough in the beginning to just put mud on people's faces over the colors of their buffs and their shirts and stuff yeah that's my only complaint about it like uh i i get it i think thematically certainly makes makes sense and i just like could we give them their buffs after they go through the mud like you go through the mud

and then put your buff on yeah so i like baptism by mud i so i i used to be a minister like i used to baptize people whatever so whatever i've thought a lot about baptism as a symbol and i like the idea of like survivor is not real world like in the real world what rachel was doing with andy would be morally you know corrupt but like in survivor i thought she played it really well with like not like recognizing i can't just perfectly cater to this this hurting person you know because it's gonna have social implications on my game so like survivor is a game where you have to go from the real world and you have to experience this baptism of not from water which cleanses you but this mud that completely you know dirties you you gotta step into the game and be willing to do things you wouldn't do in the

outside world so i love the like symbolism in the symbology of like having this moment at the beginning of the season every time let's do it but practically it was tough i mean it just i wasn't lower third who they are or something like i just like i'm i'm watching i'm like wait oh i wait who is that is that is that yeah which which which woman is that yeah it it was it was tough but i the um the production level like the the drone cameras following everybody like during the challenges like they are. It's insane. They're doing so much.

I just, I know Steven was hot on this about like they deserve the Emmy. Like there's just no question there's any other show that competes with them, whether or not they're going to get recognized. But I'm, yeah, I love the, not only what they did with the mud, but also I do like that they mixed up the sweat and savvy like thing. I thought that this worked a lot better. I don't know if you've talked about it yet on a podcast, but I just thought that this, this narratively worked way better than sweat and savvy. Well, I didn't talk about it narratively,

but I did talk about that. I liked it a lot better in terms of like, you know, I think if this was even offered in the future to contestants, I think you might have a situation where, and I know that nobody wanted to do, I guess TK wanted to do it, but nobody from Asia's tribe wanted to do it. I could see myself wanting to go do that, like just to do like a heads up coin flip of it's me versus another person to win this stuff for like, who's feeling confident enough to win this heads up battle

as opposed to the risk proposition of sweat versus savvy of like, yeah, okay, yeah, I'm going to volunteer for savvy. I'm going to gas myself out for the entire rest of the day today. So I'm going to be diminished in the immunity challenge tomorrow. Maybe completely useless where I'm going to get voted out for what?

To get the pot and the machete? Like, we'll get it eventually. Yeah, I yeah. And I think that like having it more simple, like both by like decreasing the amount of characters who are doing, you know, the chat this mini challenge at the beginning of the episode also helps us like remember things clearer i think also like i literally having it a linear challenge where you're like doing step by step and then going back to get the key like it just feels like it's let's just like let's not make this so complicated let's not have a puzzle that's like impossible to follow at home you know or a sweat challenge where you like where it's just really hard to know what progress they're making like in like in this

mini challenge i just thought like they've like simplified the beginning of the season and i just think that that's like i don't know paying dividends they're even simplifying like the idle situation i think as well like i know like the boxes is a little bit complex but again it's linear which i think is just like yeah what know like the boxes is a little bit complex, but again, it's linear, which I think is just like what is like super helpful with following these little like mini challenges or these advantages.

I thought that the actual challenge itself of finding the keys, I thought it was just fine, but I feel like the idea of like some sort of like heads up battle that, you know, is fair, not like a super, an equitable comp, they say, was fine.

I think that this was a good way to do it. Better than Sweat and Savvy. Yeah, yeah, I thought so. And then, of course, God bless Teenie for saving a seat for Asia, like she was Elijah about to return, you know, at any moment. So, yeah, good job. Helped her, helped Teenie get a fishy. Yes, Yes. I don't have any. I try to come up with my best galaxy brain takes this.

This episode was not the most strategic, really. I think I lean towards the, you know, the tribe doing a good. I kind of think I understand getting rid of John here instead of Andy. And I think that I wonder, like you, you were saying on with Steven, I believe like that. Like, I wonder if John got a little bit better at it than we, we saw. And like, just, they kind of obfuscated his social disconnect with the rest of the young people. We didn't see what anybody else thought of John. Uh, John said, uh, on his podcast, he thought the edit was very fair, was very, uh, like no problems with the edit. So, um, I don't know, could be a good question for good question for the other folks if we get the chance to talk to them.

Yeah. The one thing that he did say that was also interesting on his podcast is a very small tidbit. But he did say that he's like they knew who I was like that. He had a little small aside talking with Fabs like about like like they they they they did recognize me. And I think that that was not clear on the show. And I feel like, yeah, that they yeah, that might have also contributed.

I wonder if we'll hear more about that later. All right. Josh, thank you, as always, for the call. Rob, thank you, as always. I'm so glad we're back. We're back. We're still back. OK.

All right. All right. Let me say hello to Mark. Hey, Mark, how are you? Hey, I'm on. Hey, yes. Yes. Nice buff. Thank you. I'm coming to you live from Taipei, Taiwan. Actually, it's past midnight here anyway. OK. Yeah. So we have a very similar draft team. So I part of one of randy's drafts uh we share a winner pick and also happy grenade day to both of us yeah uh except i had saul and you had who else did you have i i took sierra sierra sierra i think is a pretty decent pick yeah so i think it's pretty

good i just thought that saul had a pretty light premiere just in terms of getting the type of first episode you would expect to get from the person that's going to win the show, but it wouldn't be the craziest thing that ever happened. I think Saul

had a very mixed reaction from his pre-season interview. But I think people are starting to warm up to him after the premiere. I've seen nothing but Saul love online. Like people in the draft were like, draft Saul, draft Saul. And people seemed like very high on Saul. Yeah. I know people didn't Contribute John's Laws to this

That much but some people were saying That he maybe talked a little too much In like on site In front of Jeff Like on Nat Chat In front of Jeff like In camp as well I think that's also what might have contributed

To him I can't speak to in camp as well. I think that's also what also might have contributed to him being voted out. Yeah, I can't speak to in camp, but I could see a scenario where, you know, somebody, like, I think everybody comes into the game and it's like, hey, let's not attract a lot of attention. Let's not, like, you know, get Jeff, like, give him anything. And then if you have somebody who's, like,

getting, like, very, like, lippy and sort of, like, being a little bit of, bit of a camera hog, I do wonder if that maybe could rub people the wrong way. Yeah. And in Big Brother, we also say that just go to sleep until jury. Yes. We might have touched on this in the past a little bit, but I don't know if that kind of applies here as well in Survivor. Because we had a lot of winners that had really light pre-jury edits. And so I don't know what your feel is on that.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's a pretty valid strategy. I mean, to me, I feel like that Survivor in the new era is a lot different than Big Brother. I feel like that Survivor in the new era is a lot different than Big Brother. And Taron has been such a great advocate of talking about the game of Big Brother and, hey, positioning. Get your position. Build your structure early, day one. Go for the first HOH. Get your people.

I don't think that behooves you in Survivor. I think that Survivor, there's so much randomness in the game that almost every round, especially in the pre-merge, I think is a much more of like a Sandra situation of anybody but me, I think go to sleep before the merge. I mean, I don't think that there are too many people that they get to the merge and it's like, oh, I'm screwed because I don't have my numbers at the merge like there's been very little maybe survivor 45 being the one exception to that in the new era but i think that really uh the name of the game in the uh survivor new era is just just get to the merge and don't be one of the people that the that the group ever says all right today it's mark i mean yeah um yeah because michelle had a light edit um erica had a light edit d also had a light edit and so that's kind of why i'm coming up with

this theory just just just stay asleep pre-merge and and just go full out when you come to the merge. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Gabler, when he got to the merge, like, again, like was like,

had a lot of stuff going on in the beginning of the game, but then like was very under the radar, you know, and Kenzie too was somebody who was not really on people's radar. Yeah. And much love to Andy. I hope he can go back to sleep until the merge. I don't know if there's much room for him to do that.

Hey, that was the problem. And yeah, so that's about it for me. Thank you for taking my call. John for Traders Season 4. Yeah, okay. If he's not too busy all right that'd be good all right mark take care bye bye okay all right uh let me uh pick up uh let's say hello to connor b hey connor how are you how you doing what's going on you know i'm doing well just taking a test uh for my mba but it's uh 24 hours so

got plenty of time okay you have 24 hours to complete the whole test yeah a real sad yeah but yeah okay um i wanted to talk about so my thought process and josh mentioned it earlier um i have really so i watched the premiere with my brother in law. He's never seen an episode of Survivor before. And he pegged John Lovett as the first boot. The moment that he mentioned that he was a speechwriter for Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, did Pod Save America. And not necessarily because of his politics, but because of the fame that kind of comes from that. And I'm curious how much that could affect him being a target. I think like it's clear that he would have a big storyline. It's clear that he would have a lot of confessionals because he's well known.

And I'm curious if that would be a cause for people to target him on the island. It certainly could be a reason that people target him. I don't know if I know in his package, in his intro package, they showed that he was with Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. I don't know if he told the people on the island that that's what he did. So it's unclear. Like, I think that you could certainly imagine that that was the case, but it's just we just be speculating because nobody even implied that in the episode. So it's it's definitely possible. Fair enough. And the other thing that I think Occam's razor is still that, OK, he was, as we talked about with Rainer early on, that just being the weakest guy in the tribe, I think, was like, OK, well, how are we going to be back at tribal council if we vote out Andy here?

So why don't we just vote out John? So I was also watching because John reminded me a lot of David Wright. I mean, I feel like David Wright, Cochran, you know, very, very asking in terms of their personalities, self-deprecation. So I rewatched the premiere of Millennials vs. Gen X today. And David did this interesting thing, which baby Andy ended up doing, which was after the challenge, which baby Andy ended up doing, which was after the challenge, um, kind of calling the tribe together and really just saying like, Hey, I know that I messed up. I know that I am probably a target. Um, but like I, I pledged my loyalty and I really wonder like how much of an impact that could make on day one. Yeah, that's very interesting. Now, for David Wright, who physically is more of a John Lovett than a baby Andy,

he had the benefit of, I believe he was on a 10-person tribe, as opposed to John Lovett, who is unfortunately on a smaller, a six, soon to be a five-person tribe. But yeah, that is interesting to sort of acknowledge, hey, my bad, I screwed up, but like, I'm with you. I do wonder if maybe that can help like, okay, turn the page of like, okay, we've sort of acknowledged this thing

and everybody's like, okay, well, now what do we do? As opposed to, I guess if you don't acknowledge it, then people are saying like, okay well well now what do we do as opposed to i guess if you don't acknowledge it then people are saying like okay well like we're gonna go after andy right yeah yeah i don't know i just sort of like say just to like uh let the unsaid thing be said and maybe there's a little bit of like okay well now what do we do well especially i know john i believe in his exit interview mentioned like obviously obviously Andy was the boot that they were telling him. So he can just like keep going up and being like, oh, hey, we're doing Andy. Right. So I wonder if that that kind of I mean, it's all speculation, but I wonder if that caused him to end up targeting Anika instead. end up targeting Annika instead.

Yeah. As opposed to just like, keep your fingers and, you know, and he says in the episode, I don't want to like go out without, you know, you know,

taking my shot here. And so I'm going to go for it. But yeah, the shot in the dark, I do think made for some interesting ramifications of if they're already telling him, Andy, he, there's not a lot of campaign he can do,

but no, but, but let's really do it. Right. Like, let's not just, yeah. It's like, we told you, yeah, we're voting for Andy. Like, no, there's not a lot of campaign he can do, but no, but, but let's really do it. Right. Like let's not just, yeah. It's like, we told you, yeah, we're voting for Andy. Like, no, but seriously though. Right. Yeah. I mean, I, I just, I feel like that would, that would look more paranoid to go up to, to go up to people and be like, so it's very, yeah. Just the paranoia of that. I, I love,

I love premieres. I like, the premieres are typically my favorite episode of the season because there's so much take that typically comes. I think I agree. I I love I love the premiere. I love I love Baptism by Mud. I'm not going to lie. I think like I love the challenge. I love kind of that.

Yeah, I just love all that. All that kind of comes with it. It's sort of the season. It's fun, too. I mean, there's love all that. All that kind of comes with it. It's, it's the start of the season. It's fun too. I mean, there's just that level, but, um,

I thought John was a great, I think he took it well. I think he was a great, um, first boot for the season. And I'm interested to see kind of the ramifications. My friend also mentioned, he's like,

I wonder what the tribes are going to think when they see Andy have this giant meltdown in front of everyone. Yeah. Um, and then he's still there. Um, they're going to be like, see Andy have this giant meltdown in front of everyone. Yeah. And then he's still there. They're going to be like, what? Yeah, that'll be fun. I think it'll be a fun reaction. I did text to some people that is John Lovett, the new era's David Sampson.

I wrote before the season started, I wrote predictions and I said that John Lovett will be a David Sampson first boot. I like I saw David Sampson tweeted to John Lovett also like, hey, welcome to the club. So it's it's another. I mean, I think he's David Sampson is. Yeah. David Sampson is a pretty big podcast. Yeah, I don't I don't follow him. Yeah. Admittedly. But yeah, I think John was great.

I'm excited to see how the season goes. But I was really curious. I'm not normally a tinfoil hat person, but really the level of how much he might have been recognized, how much that might have affected him. Very possible. Yeah. Okay. All right. Connor, thank you so much. Okay. All right. Thank you, Rob. Bye. Okay. Let's go to, okay. Jeff is on hold. Hey, Jeff, how are you? Boy, look how the world has changed since the last time we were talking. what was it, back in May? But you're still on mute. Sorry. Hey, Rob.

Yes, I was sitting outside the last time we spoke, and then I've been waiting for you to come back to non-Big Brother, and I'm still here. Yes, you're still here, and somehow so are the Mets. The Mets were like Baby Andy back in May, and we're like, ah, that's it. It's over. That's right.

That's right. Hopefully they won't pass out. And if they can come back. No heat stroke. No, that's, hopefully they won't pass out. It's very exciting, isn't it? And speaking of tinfoil hats, our Jets are two and one also. Very exciting night.

Yeah. Big night. Yeah. Yeah. So it was a great night, and nice to be back here with you virtually chilling. Yes. And Elisa says, look at this soothing background. Yes.

Thank you. It's actually the background. It's not fake background. Yeah. No, I see. But I virtually chilling. I've been waiting to say that since you interviewed Ben. What was that?

In July? Yeah. I had that line queued up for you. So that was a great interview. Yeah. Thank you so much. Okay. So what's going on, Jeff? What'd you think? No. Well, I, I, the one survivor that I cared about is God. Cause I, the rest of them, I couldn't, I could barely get through the interviews. I was excited about love it. What, what,

another one of my favorite podcasters and I don't want to keep keeping praise on you but i haven't spoken with you for a few months your interview with him watching you side by side when you said how many 40 40-ish white male podcasters would they want that was just that was outstanding uh He said two. You did great there. He said two. Yeah, two. Yeah. And I like your previous caller, the one with the, was it Rachel? The one with the child talking about his interest in podcasts, getting probes' attention. Yes. So remember, I have a Mets podcast, National League Town, with a big 80 listeners a week.

So if they want a 65-year- old cisgender white guy, which is exactly what they want, I'm right here. Hey, look, you sound like you got your video. You can clip this. Send it right to CBS.com. That's right. Right in the trash file. But the, uh, I did not like the mud. Not that it was a bad challenge. I just want to learn who these people are. That's what I've been saying. Yeah. Yeah. And the same thing with the faces in the lockbox. I want to see who they are. And one, you, you mentioned don't give them the buff right away. I think one of them, what faces in the lockbox, the faces in the toolboxes, whatever they were,

they were looking in the boxes all the time. And it was a single camera shot i want to see more people okay oh i want to see more activity all right so when they were looking for the keys you didn't like that it was so much of them like uh them in the boxes yeah that i didn't think it was i thought it was interesting yeah but at first episode i want to learn who the crew is okay that's all all right that's all but i thought Love had handled it well and your interview with him was fine. I enjoyed him on Pod Save America today. I'm concerned that Andy's going to be the new Banu.

Oh, no. Please. Yeah. Not that, Jeff. Yeah, that ruined, that was one of the reasons why my enthusiasm for this season has been curbed, the Banu era. Oh, yeah, another thing.

I had an hour to get through this. I think about these things. So I want to get through it before you go. I listened to some of Jeff Probst's podcast today, which I think is called – is that what it's called? I thought it was called Jeff Probst Knows More Than You and Wants to Tell You. Well, I mean, in fairness, he does. Yeah. He wants to tell you how smart he is.

So he said, well, we didn't know they were going to dump the thing over. It tested. We tested it with the Dream Team. With the boat. The one thing with the Dream Team is that they're professional testers. So they know they're not. Yes, their adrenaline is not flowing.'re not playing then it's it's not new to them though so they they're calm there's no pressure on them they may have known

to distribute their weight better they may have known how to paddle because they paddled before right so i think that's a uh charlie was explaining that you have to some people don't know how to paddle and so i i think probes explanation was incomplete do you have to, some people don't know how to paddle. And so I think Probe's explanation was incomplete. Do you, what do you think? Yeah, I think that that was, that's a good point. They need like a scream team of, they need like some like survivor tourists that come in. You go to survivor camp and then you test the challenges.

Like you don't ever get to see the players, but you come to survivor fantasy camp and then they throw you in it. Like at the end of your time, they throw you in a challenge and it's everybody's first challenge and they have to go through it. And then they can see like a realistic expectation of what it's going to be like for people who are just like, have not been in a Survivor Challenge before. Lots of waivers, a lot of waivers and NDAs there, but that's a good idea.

Sure. They sleep on the beach. It costs them nothing. It's all profit. I agree. So if the Mets make the playoffs, are we going to get Rob as a baseball podcast? I don't know if you need me podcasting. If there was a chance for that, it was probably a better chance when I was on the West Coast,

when I could have not done it at like 1230 at night. But let me see what we can do. Let's not put the cart before the horse. I'm just hoping for not too many Wednesday night games, although each one would be a good... That's a rich person's problem to have, of too many playoff games colliding with Survivor. Yes, let's hope we have that problem and just win tonight.

I want to thank you for this community and to the mishpocha out there. I don't know if you know that. You're from Long Island. You've heard that word. I've not heard that one. What is that? The family. Yeah.

For the crew. Because my Survivor, and I'll leave with this, My survivor interest diminished last season the the uh a lot of the mr merge dinner whatever it was called and a lot of it i don't like the show as much in banu of course but i if i stop watching i would miss you yeah well thank you jeff i would miss the group and my family as a chat so the show is secondary at this point to that. I get that. I enjoy that. So, Jeff, and I'll say it was only the first episode.

Maybe they could win you back. The thing you didn't like only happened two episodes ago. That's true. The Mets have won me back. Look at where we were back in the spring, okay? Anything's possible. You got to believe. All right, Jeff? Anything's possible. You got to believe. All right, Jeff?

That's right. Thank you very much to everybody out there. LGM. Bye. Okay. Bye. Okay. All right.

Here, let's then pick up. Okay. Joey has been waiting, of course. Everybody in the Survivor Q&A knows Joey. Joey, how are you? I'm doing fantastic. I don't know if everybody knows me, but maybe, I guess. I don't think so. If they're a regular viewer of the Survivor Q&A and the Big Brother Q&A, they know Joey. Joey is at college now. Yes, yes, I am. I am at college at the American metropolis, the city that never sleeps, Columbia, Missouri. Okay.

Just a wonderful place. All right. I guess. Yes. What's going on, Joey? What did you think of the premiere? I liked it. You know, I love Survivor. Are we going to see you on Survivor one day, Joey? I mean, I apply. I've applied for like the past three years or whatever but uh I I think I think

a straight white nerd isn't really something that they're in they're in need for in casting so you know I don't I don't really know um they they do have like their pick of the litter but look uh and maybe you know I don't know maybe they're shying away from casting as young as they have in the past maybe they're gonna just uh wait a couple more years before they give the call back yeah i don't know i i'm not i'm not panicked about the whole thing i'll keep applying yeah um yeah uh but no i i enjoyed the episode i thought it was good um you know i i really think 45 46 and 47 have all had good premiere episodes for very different reasons 45 sure i had the hand

equipped but i think that is a hilarious episode really really fun funny episode 46 is interesting also funny but in jolinski two two elements of failure and those and this one is really interesting strategically in my opinion and part of the reason for that is we've seen something that we haven't seen since david versus goath in this season, which is a celebrity that gets recognized on Survivor and potentially two. And that would be the dual podcasters. That'd be Asia and John. Yeah. And, you know, Connor B was talking a little bit earlier about celebrity, the idea of how much can celebrity impact somebody on the first day. And it's so it's so fun that he was talking about that because I actually did a bit of research into that. And I found it fascinating to think about if somebody recognizes you on Survivor, is that a benefit to your game or is that a detriment to your game because well i would just say in the case of asia versus like john love it or like a jeff kent like i think that there is like this idea of with like a celebrity of it's like oh okay they're famous they don't need this they're up here and we're here in the case of like a teeny

and asia or anybody that recognizes asia while I guess I was concerned that people were like, oh, well, she's a super fan. We got to get rid of her. It's a little bit like this thing of ours, like this community. It's a little bit like, oh, that person's in my fraternity. That person's in my sorority. You know, it's like I recognize them, that they're the same as me. And it's not necessarily like that Tini is like, oh, there's that. Some people do call her Asia Wealth sometimes, but not from her podcasting career.

Yeah, and it was interesting because I sort of had to break down the celebrities into two categories. of had to break down the celebrities into two categories. There's the John Lovett category, which is I'm famous because I do something famous-y. And then there's the other category, the Asia category, the much more rare category, which is I am reality TV aligned to some extent. So some people can be both. Mike White is both. But like the Natalie Andersons of the world are reality TV. The Hayden Mosses of the world are reality TV. Only people who are really in the weeds of reality television will probably recognize these people versus a Jimmy Johnson or something like that, where a lot of Joey, I think it's going to be like maybe a thing that has happened, not that we're going gonna have more rhap podcasters calling

in but i don't think it's crazy to think that there's going to be more patrons uh calling in more people that go to the live shows people that go to bryce and when and as like the community of super duper fans becomes like in some ways not necessarily smaller but tighter where if you are a survivor super fan like you've you know the people who care and know the most about survivor are like it's very easy to find like what their thoughts are um and maybe they're not necessarily a podcaster but they're people who are you you know, prolific tweeters about the show or make TikToks. And I just do, I think that you'll see this more and more as Survivor moves into the, ultimately into the fifties, uh, as the people who are like probably the most prolific

talking about the show are going to get on the show and recognize each other more and more. Yeah. And that point is really interesting because I do think that's why we have this divide of like, especially with Asia, like no other celebrity that I think has ever been on the show. Are people, when she's gone on this journey or whatever, are people legitimately like, well, I'm saving a spot in my alliance for Asia, just to be fair. You know, you're not going to get that with anybody else. But the fact that Asia is known as somebody who knows the game well, somebody who's generally trustworthy, somebody who you know. People know her general vibe, her general deal, and is almost predictable and a potential ally. That's very important. That's not something

you can get by watching Jimmy Johnsonmy johnson or john lovett or anything and that's why i say to people if you are on the fence thinking about you know getting more involved in this community like don't be shy because uh someday you might be glad that you did yeah and it's it's very interesting because a lot of the reality tv people were very trustworthy like people really trusted mike white people really trusted caleb reynolds before he got medevaced you know people really trusted hayden moss these are some of the most trustworthy people in their in their tribes partially because you know they're they're good players they've been on other reality tv but also because like people know how they're good players. They've been on other reality TV, but also because like people know how they play.

People recognize Mike White. People recognize Hayden Moss, certainly. And people recognize Asia. And I think that being able to tell how they play is important, especially when you put that against people who you don't know, like Lisa Wetchel. You don't know how she's going to play.

So she's very alienated at first. You know, Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy Johnson was viewed as a threat for being too much of a leader. Isn't that crazy? I think it was a bit more like he's rich. He's like, yeah. But what I'm saying is these traditional celebrities, like they have a harder time.

They have that day one perception. And I think John Lovett did too. And you know, John Lovett played well, I don't think he should have been the first boot. But I think he did make a crucial mistake when he immediately sort of alienated himself from the rest of the tribe by saying, this is what I do. I do a podcast, I was a speechwriter, I'm famous. You're not. And even if it wasn't, even if it didn't actually contribute to him getting voted out, I do think it helped contribute to the rest of the tribe mates, maybe not, uh, maybe not gelling with him as well. Maybe, maybe sort of feeling more comfortable with each other's age

group rather than John. You know what? And it's a, It's a good point in terms of John with his tribe. And I always think of Rudy with this. And Rudy is somebody who, you know, was not really, you know, a gamer. But there was something that he said back in the very first season about how he said, hey, there's more of them than there are of me. And he was like, how do I how do I fit in with them? Not necessarily like, you know, how do i how do i fit in with them not necessarily like you know how do i uh you know you got you got to make them feel like they're running the show you know he's part he's part of what they're doing not not not necessarily like um you know and not to say that he wasn't trying to connect with them but i just feel like uh you can't make

them feel like you're separate at all. Yeah, and I agree. And I think John did do that, unfortunately. And even though Andy, you know, a lot of criticisms about his game, one thing you can't take away from him is he really tried to connect with his peers as a peer. And John tried to connect with them, but it was more like, hey, I remember Vine. I was 30 when Vine was popular, but it's different. And maybe that's just natural personalities.

And I'm sure that's a large part of why John wasn't really able to find an alliance, like somebody to really connect with. I mean, he talked at length about how he felt comfortable with a few different people. But there's a difference between feeling comfortable with someone and actively working with them. And John just wasn't able to do that. Yeah. Okay. Joey, are you on TikTok? No, no, I'm not. Okay. I'm not on those social medias. I mean, if you look me up, you can find me places, but I'm not, I'm not active. Yeah. Do you think it's interesting that like that yellow tribe, uh, was there not a lot of like age diversity?

I feel like that they were all like from like 26 to like 30. Yeah, I want to say. I wonder if it would have helped John if there was like, you know, a 21 year old also. Yeah, I don't I don't necessarily remember all of their ages. I mean, obviously, John was 41. I think Andy's's 21 i think rachel was like 26 but i think i think i think sam might be younger too i think he's like 24 maybe yeah i yeah i think age diversity by itself isn't something that that can like alien it can alienate

you but it's not going to get you voted out of the game i mean i look at sue she's i think she's the oldest person in the game this season and she was able to connect very well with her tribe um but also she didn't she's catering to them basically and john didn't he he basically and he even said this in the pre-game press like i'm throwing all my cards out there this is who i am i have this podcast network. You might know who I am. You know, I've done speech writing. And something Mike White did really well is Mike White was recognized, but he didn't, like, shall we say, introduce who he really was until he was already well integrated into the game. And Mike White was a little bit hosed in that. Like, wait, why are you a Goliath? Yeah.

Yeah. And so we had to. But that's I feel like that's what the best of these pseudo-celebrities do, is sort of introduce who they are after a while. Yeah. Gary Hogeboom did the same thing. Not intentionally. He didn't want to, but he did.

Okay. All right, Joey. Let me pick up some more calls. Great to be back chatting Survivor with you again, okay? Of course. I love being on the Survivor Q&A. It's my favorite thing, and thank you for having me on. Good, okay.

Well, Joey, talk to you soon, okay? All right. Talk to you soon. All right, let me go to Will. I think Will has a prop shirt on, if we want to call it that. Will, how are you? I'm good. Yeah, I've got my U shirt on.

The exclusive Eras, R-H-A-P, the new Eras t-shirt, patron only. Yes, I bought it the second you announced. Wow. Will, thank you so much. I stood on one of these clips of the video and went to the link. I bought it immediately.

All right. Will, what's going on? I'll keep it short because my wife's friend's fiancé is bringing over a recliner, so I have to help get that to the door. Okay. Is it a recliner for you guys? Yes, we have one, but it's broken,

and it's like two feet too small for me. My legs hang off of it, So we needed to get it. Enjoy. But I'll keep it short. But I wanted to put my tinfoil hat on as well. And as we have recently learned this summer, CBS is not opposed to putting plants on these reality shows. And I think like,

I think there's an argument to be made that they, they told John like, Hey come on Survivor you only have to be there for three days Baby Andy was a plant yeah no no but they tell John that you got three days you just have to sleep outside for two nights you can go home then you promote our show on

night talk shows and you podcast about the show and then your fans will want to tune in and watch the show and we can plaster your face all over the commercials sure and i don't know i think there's something there i don't know i don't know will um so i think this is uh extra uh tinfoil i first i don't think that john enjoyed being the first boot. I don't think this was a situation like another political figure. Are you a

big brother? Of course. I was going to say, Scaramucci, who was allegedly a person who wasn't a real player. He was a twist. But if John went to the the show came in for

three days and then like oh like i have my uh my ulcer i have to leave you know um i think that that might be different he seemed like that he was concerned about like that people were going to give him crap for this i mean he stayed at Ponderosa the whole time for, you know, just for... It's a free vacation in Fiji, Rob. It's a free vacation. I don't know. He's a wealthy guy. He doesn't need a free vacation to Fiji to sit at Ponderosa for 23 days.

I suppose. I don't think that it would necessarily have been a John Lovett as a production a production plant yeah i do say it in jest yeah like i just like i don't think angela is a plant well i buy angela as a plant more than that makes more sense than this one yeah uh but i do i don't know if you've listened to tyson's podcast from this episode yet but um i did agree with him like like what he was saying. He had Hannah Rose on. Yes, and I really hated John going into this season. And I'm glad that he went home first

because I really felt like they were going to absolutely shove him down our throats. Oh, Tyson didn't like him? Yeah, well, he said that he felt like he had just seen way too much of him in the commercials and so he was put off by him. Nothing against John. I thought he was great on the show. He had kind of turned me around of him in the commercials, and so he was put off by him. Nothing against John.

I thought he was great on the show. He had kind of turned me around in that two-hour episode, but I was really worried going in that they were going to shove him down our throats. Yeah, I do think that we would have gotten a lot of John Lovett had he stuck around, but it's not the case. Anyways, I'll let you go. Thanks for taking my call, Rob.

Good luck with that recliner, okay? Thanks. All right, take care. Bye. You too. Thanks for taking my call. Okay. Thanks. All right. Take care. Bye. All right. Let me say hi to Ethan. Ethan.

How have you been? Great. 47, 47. 47. We're back. Yeah, let's do it.

We're back. The Mets are back. The Mets are back. And that, that Jeff, all that talk about the Mets and Mish Bukai, I felt like I was looking into my future. Yes.

What a lovely conversation. Yeah, okay. We'll get the router in the backyard. Yeah. Also, that looked great. Yeah, I liked John. I was bummed he was gone. I definitely don't think it was a plan from just listening.

No, I mean, I definitely think that that was like uh in in jest um but yeah he seemed like he really wanted it and i do think that if they're if you're a uh a notable person and you are willing to go play survivor they will put you on the show yeah i i don't doubt that at all i i do agree that like that's a lot of free cross publicity which i'm sure they were thrilled to do um and i think they would do that for any celebrity who wanted to be on because i mean i heard more about it obviously it's election season so like you know i think it was a win-win for um you know for john to go out and like i don't know necessarily like um you know if uh you know john is getting booked on like a ton of other shows like as a soul like maybe with the all the pod save america guys but

um i don't know like as a solo act i just like in my venn diagram of friends who like survivor and friends who like uh pod save america i guess there wasn't a ton in the middle and i heard from all of the pod save people like oh my god you excited about this it's like i'm actually very excited about this uh so yeah i thought it was great and i agree i think one of the other callers said you're not a huge strategy episode because uh i think the premiere is usually more like a vibes episode yeah and look obviously some dark moments in the first one but like overall like the vibes were good it was like there's some really kooky parts uh it seemed fun um i'm just really excited i think it's gonna be a very good season yeah they do a good

job of like okay introducing you to all the people that are there and then explaining why the first person went home i think that that's basically the job in the premiere yeah and like i think steven uh had a good point about like you're getting good characterization now they've kind of figured out how to like interweave like the random side quests with like instructing you about the people doing them and the people around them so yeah i just like put the danger back in dangerous fun yeah i that i really did think he was gonna take a nosedive uh trying a game trying to get down that mountain he did not i think you're talking about rome in the well i i guess the question is for me i don't know how deep the well is like i feel like, oh, the well, that's got to be like 30 feet down.

That was what I figured. But then, I don't know, there was a vantage point where you could tell how far his arm was going before his hair was getting wet. And it just didn't look that deep. But also, yeah, that was crazy. I cannot believe they're going to let the people drink his. You guys talked about this. That's gross. That's rum water.

That's not for me. Yeah. So, yeah, not great. Yeah. I not great um yeah i just was super excited i'm super excited about the live show oh and i gotta say i know a couple people have brought it up yes um my wife like elbowed me i was like like uh giggling like a small child at the uh rob has a podcast name drop on the show what an amazing moment yeah i couldn't believe that that was so it was great i loved it and i'm glad that so many other people were able to uh get a kick out of it too uh it was a real a fun a fun night for sure yeah uh it was amazing yeah um yeah excited for the

live that i know you've been on a very long time okay well um wrap up yeah yeah what's up no i was gonna say that i know you brought up the live event and i i don't think i'm allowed to reveal any details yet but we are planning a patron meetup for the tuesday night also i know it's uh you know not everybody can get out two nights in a row but if you can especially if you traveled into town uh we are planning a meetup for uh tuesday night and should be uh uh no separate ticket required as long as we're not – I'll let Sam give me the details later. But no ticket. It's just – but it's a patron-only event, okay? All right.

Very exciting. He said don't give out the details. It's not – it's a patron-only event. I read the chat. I didn't know what I was supposed to say or not. But I don't have any of the details, so I can't give anything out. Yep. Okay. Yeah, do you think we'll see

Lindor again this year, or is that it? You know what? Honestly, I have not followed his injury news close enough to be able to tell you the answer. There is no news. I just, it's like, you know, it's a back. Doesn't seem good. Doesn't sound good. I know, but they've been so hot.

Piping. Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right. Have a great night. Take care of you. Bye.

Yeah. Let's say hello to Matt. Hey, Matt, how are you? Hey, Rob. How's it going? It's going great. Okay, good. And is this another backyard?

Yeah, I'm in my backyard just finishing up some work. So I had to work out the next day. Nice. Not too far from Teeny, actually. I live about 20 minutes from Manahawken. Okay, in New Jersey. Now, do you wear Scarecrow clothes? We do not wear Scarecrow clothes in New Jersey, no. So she was right on that.

Okay, cool. So what's going on, Matt? So really, I wanted to talk about, you know, I feel like Survivor Seasons, to quote George Lucas, they're like poetry. They rhyme. They rhyme. Okay, good. So I was seeing Rachel and I was actually seeing a lot of Ellie in Rachel. Okay. So I didn't know, you know, what your thoughts on that was.

Well, I had been comparing that yellow tribe to that, you know, Gabler Owen tribe a lot. So it is interesting that we didn't see Andy completely throw Rachel under the bus yet. Yet. But do you think that maybe this could be a situation at the merge of that you know andy gets to merge with troy is like i tried to talk to her the first night and then in the middle that she wouldn't help me yeah that's exactly what i was thinking and i was like you know by throwing rachel's name out he might be throwing rachel's name out wow it's interesting but john lovett and mariah are not the same uh both may be like, did they do anything wrong? Maybe we could say. But I do think that there is something there.

There's a Sam and a Sammy. Sure. They both wear yellow. yellow. There's a lot of similarities. And then the other thing, so I know that people brought up already that Andy reminded them of Banu. So my thought was, considering 46 was so fresh in their head, how did they not vote out Andy after he went crazy on them, seeing how Banu threw his whole tribe under the bus not too long after?'s fair i just think that they uh saw like how strong uh andy is and we did not get to see so much of the challenge so how much was was andy the mvp in any way of getting that boat up to the shore or anything like that like you know we're just like that the challenge was just so chopped up that we don't really know, you know, how much of Andy's muscle even got them to the point where, you know, how much did John cost them in the tribe?

You know, did John help tip the boat? I don't know. So these are good questions for the rest of the yellow tribe. Absolutely. Well, that's all I had for you, Rob. Thanks for taking my call. All right all right matt nice to talk to you okay all right take care bye all right uh let's say hello to erica hi erica hold on erica where you're muted and you're back yes yeah i'm here how are you it's nice to talk

to you again nice to talk to you again. Nice to talk to you. What's going on? Well, I'm coming to the live show. I convinced my husband that he can go to big snow in the Meadowlands while I am watching my survivor, you know, I'm having my survivor fix. So I'm excited. That's fine. Where are you coming in from? Maryland.

Cool. All right. So it's not that far. Yeah. But yeah. It'll be a fun show. Yeah. Super excited. Cool. All right. So it's not that far. Yeah. But yeah. It'll be a fun show. Yeah. Super excited.

Very, very excited. What else was I here to talk about? The premiere. It was amazing, right? Yeah. Great show, for sure. Fun two hours. Can't wait for next Wednesday.

Yes. And I'm super excited. Last two years, I've really gotten into the community and seen a lot of things. Over the summer, I watched your deep dive on Tony with Tony. Yes. And then I watched Winners at War. And then I put it all together. I saw how he did it.

If he was telling you the truth, that man is brilliant. I mean, I've never gone back and rewatched that. how he did it if he was telling you the truth that man is brilliant i mean uh yeah that i've never gone back and re-watched that but uh yeah i mean why would he lie why would he make it up i i don't know i mean it all fit together it was really great but the other thing i was gonna joey was on not long ago right yeah uh the the college Yeah. I tried to play a game of Blood on the Clocktower. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Grace Leader was. Yes. How was that? They made me the drunk. Yes. Oh, boy. So I gave everybody all kinds of bad information. So, yeah.

But it was fun. But you don't know. You don't know anything. Like, you're going off of what, especially if you have never played before. Yeah, and poor Joey hadn't either. And I'm giving him bad information. I'm like, I know this to be true.

And he was believing me. It's a hard game when you have all the right information. I know. Anyway, back to the premier. I know you've been on here for a long time. Asia, I'm going to tell you what, and I don't know if I'm differentiating what I see as her as a podcaster, but you know what she's going to do with these guys?

Why? She's going to be that person that's the calming influence. And I don't know if anybody's really used that word, but everybody's got one of those people in their lives that when you get around them instantly, you're like, OK. I could tell you this about Asia that as somebody who, you know, has gotten to work with her as a collaborator, Asia is no drama. and like this is the person in the friend group that you know isn't the person whoever gets like busted with like oh here's the receipts of you were talking crap about this person she's just the person that everybody likes and is uh no drama and is not stirring the pot and everybody just feels very at ease and very comfortable uh with her And, you know, that's how it is with the podcasters in Asia.

And I'm sure the listeners feel that way. I've never gotten one complaint in four years. Nobody's ever been like, you know who said something I didn't like? Asia. Well, the people really do that. They send them. Oh, yes. Yeah, that I do.

You know, sometimes the calls come from inside the house. Yeah. Not Nicole. Not Nicole. But you've never had one personality conflict ever with Asia. That and you know what? She's she's going to do great because of it. And I don't know if I'm kind of reading into the times i've seen her on the podcast and like the glue person yeah well no that's the other guy yeah no but this is better than the glue person this is like uh you know the quiet quiet leader yes the one that makes everything okay that's what she is to me anyway um also nicole is the most hilarious person ever yes i've been listening to your page she's hilarious yeah she i mean she look uh you get her on the right day erica well i've listened

to a ton of them it's hilarious yeah yeah she needs her own podcast yeah um but i don't think she really likes to do it you know i i think that like i bring her to the podcast and and maybe that's part of her charm with it. Because I think that a lot of times she's like, I don't want to do this. I don't want to talk to you. I don't want to be on a podcast right now. I was like, yeah, but we have to. We said, you know, so it's not by like she's doing it just to hear her own voice. And I will say that she still is struggling with her mouth injury.

I'm sorry to hear that. Okay. One last thing. Oh, go Jets. Although I didn't realize you were. Yeah, I'm a Ravens fan. So Chappelle. Why is he a Ravens fan?

He likes purple. That's why he's a Ravens fan. I think that was the origin story. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But you guys should have never gotten rid of Flacco. You might, you know, you're doing great this year.

You're doing fine. And if Flacco was doing good with us, we wouldn't have gotten rid of him. All right. Well, then he went to the Browns and took him to the playoffs. He looked like he didn't want to be playing football when he was on the Jets. He looked like that when he won the Super Bowl. It's fine.

Okay, and then my last thing. This season, and I don't know if you recognize it, but I do because I'm from the mid-Atlantic area, Maryland. There's a bunch of players. So you have the girl, what's her name, Sierra? The pageant girl. And I don't, this isn't going out to every people are going to watch this. Right.

I'm telling you, she's not the most intellectual person on the cast. Well, what gives you that impression? Well, she's not, she's your Danielle. What's her name from?

De Lorenzo. Yeah. Yes. From our, from a couple of seasons. Yes. Yes. She just wants to win things.

That's why she was all on board kicking off john these are just my crazy thoughts you can think whatever it's just first impressions like uh you don't know like you're not like hey i know sierra let me tell you about her no but yeah i can well i can tell you about gabe a little oh why because he's also a baltimore person yeah he is a baltimore person and if you're from the area, I live like 45 minutes north of Baltimore in the burbs or whatever. But you know what's going on in the city. The campaign that he was the comms director for. Yes. candidate and I'm not going to say her name, but she was thrown out of office and run out of office because she was stealing from the city. Oh,

okay. Like the fact that let me, let me have some of this tea. Oh, oh, it's hot. It's hot. Oh,

okay. There's a bird. My mouth like Nicole. Well, I, he's going to do some devious stuff, I think. Okay.

Because he likes Russell hands and he would join that. And he's robbed the do some devious stuff, I think. Okay. Because he likes Russell Hance and he would join that campaign. And he's far. He robbed the city. What are you doing? It's like Mary and Barry. It's like the same equivalent. I know you probably get the reference on that. The D.C. mayor.

Well, I think he wasn't he famous that he was for his using drugs. Right. I don't know about his, like, I remember that was... But he ran for office again and thought that people would vote for him. And they did, the Dodos. But anyway, his campaign loss, just so you know, we have a different campaign. And the candidate that Gabe supported was in office but then resigned.

No. She ran again after being thrown out and indicted for stealing from the city yeah okay and he joined her campaign her election camp yes after knowing all this well maybe it didn't sound like that maybe he had background in that so maybe she was like okay i'll take whoever i can get this guy's on the radio. Okay. Well, that's fine. But like, would you join that? I would not. I don't know. Yeah.

I don't know if I'm suited for that. Yeah. Okay. All right. And last bit. Thank you for sharing. No, one last bit. Allegedly.

I'm sorry about that. But TK, I think he's going to do phenomenally. And then that's all I have. Okay. All right. Look, Erica, I like the spicy takes. Okay. Okay.

Thank you so much. Thank you. Take care. Bye. Take care. Bye-bye. All right. Let me say hello to, how about Stefan is here.

Stefan, how you been? Hey, it's nice to see you. Nice to see you too. What's happening? This shirt is from NYC Game Changers. Game Changers. Live show. Yes.

I am totally decked out today. So I just wanted to celebrate all of your accomplishments. It's been a great week, I will say. And it's nice to be back with Survivor. Yeah. Same. This premiere was lit. And as you know i'm a i'm a therapist irl i've been practicing for about two years so anytime something like this happens my antennas

definitely go off okay so which thing with andy yeah with andy um all i can say is like you know i i don't diagnose people unless they're my client and I've had time with them one-on-one. But, um, what I can say is that Andy had a fight or flight response. And when we get into that emotional trauma response, sort of, uh, um, what we call the reptilian brain, it's like, uh, we we revert we do regress to former versions of ourselves and we rely on coping skills that aren't necessarily the most healthy um that we had once used to get through situations before yeah so i think that's what was happening with him does that

that resonate makes sense with you i mean it certainly makes sense uh that uh i hadn't heard it put that way uh so i mean makes sense to me yeah and like you know and you've been through this experience before uh being a player yourself but like that of course the environment strips you of all of your resources and uh it brings out the truth of who you are that's kind of like why i watched the show from the first places um for that aspect of it and um yeah it was very interesting also very relatable just like the way that he was describing just like personally for me and um i just couldn't believe the meltdown on the mat that was like i was like in total shock that that happened it was a wild circumstance because it was especially like in front of all of the tribes like i feel like that we uh you know could see a moment like that i feel like even in like survivor philippines like russell swan i feel like had like something

similar but i think it was at the point where i think the other tribes were were i don't remember if they were gone or not uh in front of the other the other trust i have to go back and and look at that um maybe it was both yeah but um another uh moment i remember from the mat was from uh second chance with pasha yeah and jeff yeah another matt meltdown very interesting stuff but um yeah i'm you know i've been a little bit sour on the show, but this I don't know. There's something about this cast in the premiere that has kind of sparked a little bit of hope for me personally. And I loved all the preseason content. And I also I have a little bit of a hot take for you. OK, I don't think that there's any career that is threatening on the show.

Hmm. What would be the most threatening career? Well, I think by the data, I would say that, you know, looking at like players like Sarah and Tony who were cops and like also derrick on big brother it seems like like law enforcement has been a successful career but i mean we've seen everything across the board and i just think that people are focusing way too much on career when i think that survivor is more about skills that have you know may have nothing to do with your career. Certainly in the new era, no reason to, uh, you know, particularly, uh, be freaked out about any one career. Yeah. I mean, I can, I can see people making arguments for that, but I, and maybe at

first when you're there, if like you're, if you're coming on strong about your career, people might, you know, take that in a, in a different way. But like when you're out on strong about your career, people might take that in a different way. But when you're out there, it seems like you're stripped down to the bare essentials of who you are and what you rely on the most. And those skills come from all sorts of life experiences that don't have anything to do with your job, in my opinion. Yeah. Thank you to Josh who fact- that russell swan's moment was in front of the entire cast oh right yeah okay yeah because it's like right after uh they lose the challenge so that makes sense okay yeah totally makes sense yeah but um i i wish i could

come to the uh the new york show i i't be there, but I will be there in spirit. Okay. All right. Well, I don't know if it'll be as exciting as the one that you were at where Mike Bloom pointed at Malcolm getting voted out of the tribe. I mean, that was an all-timer. I was right there. I was like right. I saw it happen.

Yeah. Okay. Yes. All right. Then. All right. Thank you so much stefan okay see you bye okay then let's go to uh elisa are you there let me see elisa yes yeah i am here i am driving into work right now well actually, actually I just finished,

I was working out like half of this podcast and then now I'm driving in. Okay. Yes. How's everything going? Everything's going great. I was low key hoping, cause I called in late anyways. Like I think I called in like 40 minutes ago. Uh, but I was also hoping, man, I wonder if I could finish this workout before Rob calls on me. And I did. So it all worked out. OK, good. Well, glad it worked out. So what's going on, Lisa? I am calling and I am just I have a couple of things that I could talk about.

I only want to talk about one thing, but I think the main thing I want to talk about, has anyone talked about Rachel yet on this episode? A little bit. Not that much. Yes. Okay. I Bobby is like waving his hands frantically. Bobby,

you want to talk about Rachel also? Yes, I do. Let's get Elisa first. You get it. I get it. I get it. I get it, Bobby. Okay, I think Rachel is in a very unlucky position right now,

and I don't know what to think about how she survives in this game because of Andy still being in this game because of because of Andy still being in the game, to be honest. But I don't think that's Rachel's fault either. I do. I'm gonna, I am. I'm so mad at Rachel because we talk about sparkly people.

The opposite of a sparkly person is a prickly person, I think. Yes. Rachel is prickly. You know she's Yes. Okay. The girl is prickly. You know she's smart. Like she, not only that, but she did the puzzle that Gello wins, right? The comeback, your first loss.

It is like the first thing everyone's seeing is that, oh, that girl's good at puzzles, right? So we're all pointing and looking at her, seeing that she just saved her team. To vote out the famous podcaster, to vote out the speech writer, to vote out your person that you're going to need to throw under the bus later was so stupid. And I will say that to her face openly because I know she's claiming Kellen Bechdel. She's claiming these people who we know.

Wait, is it just like blood on the clock that you can claim former survivors? No, she said that that's like who. I know, but it's like to claim Kellen is to really line yourself up. The way you're describing it is like that she is. She's claiming washer woman. Really? Well, because it's like if I were to be like i relate to um sophie clark because i do no one sees that you don't see that right now this isn't how sophie asks yet but thank you yes

here's lisa that would be like a red flag and so when people do things that aren't expected that's when it's like, uh-oh. And so when Andy, who was your sad boy that she was ready to like kind of pull along, all of a sudden is talking to other tribes who they did so good, Tiana, just being like, don't talk. That's Tiana. I love that.

I love when she did that, by the way. Because Tiana is one of my favorite people from the preseason and I'm really rooting for her. Yeah, I'm hard. How do you feel about all this? You agree with what Bobby is saying? I think that. OK, so I'm just put just if if I'm Rachel's position, I'm only speaking in terms of being in Rachel's position, I think the person you vote out is Andy. Because, one, you have an association now with Andy, where Andy kind of pulled you into his alliance. We hear these confessionals that Rachel may not have necessarily wanted to be tied to this alliance. So the easy out for Rachel in this situation is to vote Andy out. But now that Andy's in, I think that there might be some expectation of their relationship that I don't think that Rachel thought through.

Yes, because when John talked about in X interviews, it seems like there were actually three pairs and andy was his right and he was bummed about that but now that andy's there andy's the crazy one that everyone knows that they need to scoop if they want to drag and everyone's gonna think rachel can do it the best rachel's able to do that because he wanted her to do it day one and i I say this as an Andy. I would be sobbing looking for my calm. When I played an LRG the last few days, I still cried on a hill like Andy and was like, please keep me. And because like I

Bonnued on my knees, like at the same time Bonnued was on his knees to Tiffany, my girl was named Nicole. And I was like, please save me. I love you. I'll do anything. I just want to survive one vote. And they were smart enough to see that if you keep the crazy around, someone will think that they can use you. It's like I want I presented myself. I'm a weapon.

Use me. Point me. Point me in a direction so I can stay. People can't help but to take that. Like, oh, like, oh, I can use something. Your final three is going to be the three flops because you, Rachel, smart girl. Yeah. I'm not afraid of you anymore. I could use something. Your final three is going to be the three flops because you, Rachel, smart girl. Yeah.

I'm not afraid of you anymore. I could use you. Yeah. And it's just like, do you want a Xander in the game? It probably would have been better for Ricard if Xander left early. Like, I just think like you have to eventually cut from the bottom.

And I think there's a lot of like, I call it low self-esteem players. I don't think that's good terms, but it's like, they don't think they can win unless they're next to two. I'm a wackadoodle. I can't win. Like the James Jones counter argument

is like, I can be anyone at any time. I will because that's what the game is. And I'm kind of more, you don't get to choose who you're next to. So don't pick people that other people who you're next to so don't pick people that other people want to sit next to you i think that's more dangerous than anything

elisa but i just want to make sure this this we started with you i want to make sure that uh that this is also that your your opinion on this is uh heard no yeah but i think body and i in general agree on the opinion that she, I don't think she made the correct move in her point of view. Like just, just knowing this whole situation, I honestly, I don't know, Bobby and Rob, I don't think she makes the merge in my opinion because of this movie. I wouldn't want Andy who came up to me with a plan with John and Sierra.

That would, if I was Sam, who seems to be the decision maker, I would never as Rachel. I don't know. I just don't, I don't see all. I don't know if I've been seeing the full picture that she's seeing. Cause I, I, and I'm, I'm seeing this as a person who probably also on a good day is John. Love it. You know what I mean? Like I don't relate to both of these people on the bottom on this yellow tribe,

but I would keep John because he's such an easy hook like later. Like, yeah. Do you know he's a millionaire? Like, that's just, you can, but maybe I,

that they're a little bit more to the John is a flip candidate. Is that possible? Sure. Great. That's a great sell to sell to the third tribe that you merge with is that he's going to flip to them. He likes them more than you, he told us.

You can lie. Andy, who publicly did something, what are we going to say about Andy that hasn't already been said? He's safe now. It's going to be really interesting when both tribes see who god voted out and they're and they realize andy was not the person yeah yeah i'm meeting you for the second time i did not vote out that crazy guy am i an over player or am i did he have an idol like now you think that the five of us are strategic or the four of us are like masterminds or doing big picture moves. And that's the last thing I want. Twelve new people

that I don't know to think about me. And so I just don't get it. I don't get it. And I say that with affection towards Andy. And I wasn't thinking about it this way. You two put Rachel in the cross. I thought she had a good first episode. I wasn't thinking about it this way. You two put Rachel in the cross. I thought she had a good first episode. I was like, oh. No, they made you think she had a good first episode because that's what they do to seventh placers.

You can't. You have to sell that she's a threat because she's going early merge at best. I cannot see it. I cannot for Rachel. No, I don't see it. And I want to because I'm such a. I know. Like, I want to.

But I will say, Rob, I can't see it either. But I love being proven wrong. Like, you know, which is all that Survivor's about. Isn't that what's fun about, like, doing these things? Like, listen, like, John Lovick's podcast. Like, I remember I listened to that podcast one time, and they were like, don't worry, this thing is not going to happen.

Okay, everybody. Oh, yeah, okay. Wet the bed. All right, sure. Don't worry about anything. Everything's fine. And that wasn't fun. They got it wrong. But when I'm wrong, I think that's fine. And then that wasn't fun. I think we got it wrong.

But when I'm wrong, I think that's fun. I like to be wrong. I see a game changer's energy from this cast. I see us cutting from the top. I see a fan favorite, my favorite eyebrows on Survivor. I can't think of her name. Sierra

D'Anton. Wrong last name somewhere but I see that in Rachel I see like her and Brad like that

and like Brad being Sam and I really I don't know I do agree that Sam got a lot of confessionals out of nowhere and I'm nervous that's my anti-Arkly type

so that's like the uh oh alright but I don't know all right Lisa anything else are you at work yet oh Lisa might be frozen she's just really intensely

how was the parade Bobby um I got pulled to a harder role today and it was quite hot but I can't believe I made this you made it you made it so you're like oh why did you just say three what do you think we're going to be done in ten minutes well okay to be honest

parades are act two they moved I'll be here for a minute Bobby thank you so much talk to you soon this is so soft aren't you hot in Florida in a sweatshirt

well I'm anemic. I'm always cold. I will sit on my porch in this, to be honest. And so, but we love. And I'm excited for a new cycle. I'm watching this one with a much more critical eye. I feel like I watched 45, 46 very empathetically. No, you're a spicy Bobby now.

Well, I don't think I'm being spicy. I don't think. A being spicy. I don't think. A little spicy. I think so. Well, there's some heat, but I don't think it's spicy. I'm rooting for her. There's no one I'm rooting against. I think dropping the box down the cliff was the funniest juice. It's a good moment.

Great. All right, Bobby. Talk to you soon. Bye. Bye. Okay. And then we've got one more person on hold. It's Johnny.

Hi, Johnny. How are you? Hello. I'm doing well. How about doing great johnny this has been a very fun episode i just got home from work so honestly i missed most of it but i can't wait what your question is i'll tell you if we answered it already honestly it's about rachel too and now i feel like i'm just piling on perfect yeah we're so you're anti you're i don't want to say anti-rachel because i don't want to say anti-rachel seems like a super fan that uh i

don't think anybody's anti-rachel but you think that she made she made a strategic error in this episode i do i do because i feel like she really alienated andy a lot in the episode and then kept him, which I don't agree with. Like, I feel like he left their interaction at the camp feeling very not comforted at all by what she did. Yeah. And then at tribal, she's listing the reasons why he might be a liability going down the road, which he's already paranoid about.

He's already clearly blown up. I just wonder if, but I think that she might have like, um, was it her decision? Because the way I could see it happening was that, okay, we heard that Sierra and Sam wanted to keep Andy, whereas Annika and Rachel were more likely to want to keep John who who was more, in their opinion, the rational thinker that they could work with. But then if it gets to Annika that John is trying to put the vote on Annika and Annika becomes like, all right, well, we're sort of like deadlocked. Is it Andy or John? He said my name. All right. Let's go with let's keep Andy. And so Rachel might have just been outvoted. So was it was it her call or was she sort of just like out outvoted? some vague like is it tribe strength or is it trust something like that but she like went specific into why andy's a liability and she's like oh if he goes on a journey like clearly we can't trust

him because he blows up and i was like well don't make the paranoid guy like don't give him concrete reasons why you're scared of him like now he's just gonna spiral more so to me i was like yeah i don't know if you needed to say that yeah it's a fair point where i was at okay so i don't know are you as down on rachel as bobby and elisa as down and i really like her but i didn't i was surprised that's all I got. Bobby is like staring into the camera now, giving me like a Larry David, like a side eye.

I know. I hope he doesn't hate everything I said. I don't know. I don't think so. I think he's on the same page. It's just different degrees. All right, Johnny,

anything else going on today? No, that was all for me. I'm glad that I made the, I thought I was the last person wow okay all right johnny thank you so much okay talking to you bye all right we're so back the survivor q a uh this is very fun for me these uh two hours uh fly by i love getting to hear from the the patrons and uh love you know uh hearing how you all are feeling about the show. So keep it

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