RHAP: We Know Survivor - Who Will Be on Survivor 50 Draft? (Recorded July 2024)

Episode Date: May 26, 2025

In this special unlocked patron exclusive, Rob Cesternino, Taran Armstrong, Pooya Zand Vakili, Chappell, and Shannon Gaitz draft their dream teams of returning players they think (or hope) will be back for the big 5-0. Expect bold predictions, deep-cut picks, heated debates, and plenty of Survivor nostalgia as they pull from over 40 seasons of unforgettable characters.

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One, two, one, two, one, two, one, two, one, two. Visit SpecSavers.ca for details. Hey everybody, what's going on? Rob Sestrino back with you and we have a really fun treat for you here today. What you're about to watch is a bit of a time capsule. This is a podcast that we recorded back on July 2nd, 2024, almost one year ago, where we tried to figure out who will be cast on Survivor 50, July 2024. It was a different time in so many different ways, but we got together myself, Karen, Huya,

Shannon Gus, Chappelle, and we decided to do a draft of people that are going to be on Survivor 50 plus some points, bonus points if they appeared on other shows like Survivor Australia versus the world. So you'll see, we'll explain the whole scoring system, but just so you are not having some like wait, what, how, this is a very bad I, we kind of know what's happening with survivor 50. No, this was July 2nd, 2024. It happened in the patron feed and we're releasing it to you now, as we're on the heels of Wednesday. When we find out for real,

the survivor 50 cast, RJP will have full coverage of all of that. And check out our patron feed if you want to get exclusive access to stuff like this, where the Survivor 50 winner draft will take place sometime in early June. So be on the lookout for that. Rob has a website dot com slash patron. You don't have to become a patron now. You can wait until February of 2026 and we'll drop it in the main feed then.

So you don't even have to run out and become a patron at rob is with a cop slash patron. If you can wait till February of 2026 in the meantime, enjoy our draft from July of 2024. Who will be on Survivor 50? Hey everybody. What's going on? Rob Cesarino back with a very special Survivor 50 preseason draft. Can you believe it? Survivor 50 is only two years away, but we are ready here tonight to draft the cast of Who Will Appear on Survivor 50.

And we have put together a lot of people from our crack draft panel here tonight. Of course, back with us, the most recent winner of the draft. It's me. It's me. Wow. I'm the drama. I mean, asterisk, but yeah. Yep, okay.

The person who could have been the winner but got grenade-ed is back with us. Fresh off of the Big Brother Family Feud, it's Tarrin Armstrong. Tarrin, how are you? Doing great. Excited to be here, ready to, I'm happy to finally participate in a survivor draft that calls for as little preparation as I give. Yeah okay are old pet peeves on

record? They might be but I don't have to look at them. Okay all right Taren's already got him. All right, of course, back with us. Of course, excited to be drafting once again with Chappelle. Chappelle, how are you? I'm good. I'm very excited to do this, but I actually disagree with Taren. I feel so overwhelmed by the amount of people that we can draft from today

that I honestly wish I had put a lot more effort into this. I looked at some names, tried to memorize, okay, how did they do? But I think I'm just have to vibe this one out. So it's going to be a good time regardless. Okay. All right. Back with us. It's been a busy podcast day for this man, fresh off of a big brother family feud as well. It's Puyo Zambekele. Puyo, how are you? I'm good, Rob. I like what you said about crack. I think we're going to have a fun time here today. Can't wait. A draft is always a good time.

And even a draft where you don't want to know the results for a long time is even better. Say crack again. All right. And so it's a survivor 50 draft and maybe by survivor 50, she will have won a draft. It's Shannon Gus. I definitely won't have won a draft. It's Shannon guys. I definitely won't have won a draft.

Maybe this would be the one. I don't think so. It's like I won't have won an Olympic medal. You know, like it's just things that are never going to happen for me. It's fine. But yeah, team no prep is on this one because you should pound her. And you're agreeing it's impossible to do, you know, like there's too many people. I think we just whatever name pops into your head first, you just go with that. That's

what I'm thinking. Okay. Are you trying to psych them out? No, I'm beyond that. It's beyond like, it's done. I'm defeated. I lost to someone who's not in the draft, you know, I'm the seventh best drafter in a six person draft. One of the drafters went on survivor, maybe a survivor winner before I was drafted. Yeah, well, should be. I think that's, I think whoever gets first pick needs to draft Asia. Wait.

Out of respect. I assumed I was going to be able to draft Asia no matter what pick I got. I'm not, I don't get dibs on Asia. Why? Why wouldn't I know? Why not? Why not? Why? I'm her favorite person. Yeah, it's like we will work out the draft order. You two can discuss this amongst yourselves.

When that comes up on the draft. Let's let's try to start on the right note of what this draft is going to be about. Okay, this is a draft about getting people on Survivor 50. But I had thought to try to add a little bit more scoring to the mix, I think we should also land points for people that end up on Australian survivor and people that end up on other non survivor related shows. The proposed scoring for this was going to be get a person on survivor 50. They have to just only be cast.

You get three points. Should we have a bonus for the winner? We're not going to build a bonus. No, that changes the whole thing. You give it you. Okay. You just explain for the winner? We're not gonna build a bonus? No, that changes the whole thing. You just explain the thing and I'll explain why I hate it. Okay, fine. And then we can figure it out.

Okay, three points if you get a person on Survivor 50. If you have a person that ends up on Australian Survivor versus the world, you would get two points for your team. And if a person that you have drafted ends up on the Traders, Deal or No Deal Island, any other major reality TV show, that would also land you one point between now and Survivor 50. So if I create a reality TV show and cast the people I drafted,

that is, does that qualifies major? Yeah, I'll get I'll allow it. What about Goose Goose Duck? I know my plan. Yeah, it has to be in person. It can't be on Zoom. Mm hmm. All right. Well, that's really going to.

You get eight of these people on your draft team in one place. We'll allow it. OK, can I explain why I don't enjoy this? Yeah. Well, I feel like it just like it changes the whole fabric of the draft. I don't like the scoring system where Australian survivor is is two thirds of as big as 50. This is a season 50 draft. Right. And I feel like the I mean, it just it changed.

But as of right now, Shannon, isn't the Australian survivor versus the world potentially 14 people, half of which will be Australian people and also that the team of the world we've made up of potentially US players and players from other countries. So what are we talking about? Three or four people could potentially be Australian survivor contestants. Can't we just do one point if they're on anything else and three points for 50? I feel like that makes more sense for the season 50 draft.

I'm not married to any of it. Does that sound good for the group? No, I feel like Shannon has this whole three to one point system on her podcast. I think it's only three to one here. It's actually copyrighted, so you can't just reach out. Are we getting chizzy points? I've been dying to get some of those. Can I get you like that, Chappelle?

We don't get cheesy. But these are cheesy points that we're competing for. Three cheesy points. If you get somebody on the show, then 50. What is it? Two for Australian. I'm finally getting the cheesy. I'm ready.

No, that that wouldn't even be true. Why? The play is, I don't know. Okay. We drew two points on every podcast. It's getting a little played out. Not every podcast. I don't agree with Rob's scoring system. Also, to be clear, this is every other casting news we get from here on out.

So the Traders season three does not count. And Jeremy does not count. You can select them, but the points for the Traders does not count. You you you can select them, but the points for the traders will not count. This is this is from that unannounced casting from this point on through. The what is it, the debut of Survivor 50 or until they leave for Survivor 50 until that we know they officially start whenever that is. OK, until they have a wide space in the other show or just be announced for another show.

They have to be actually cast for the show. No alternates. Yeah, no, that's obvious. But OK, so what's that? Is the other say, say they're on the Traders, but the Traders hasn't actually started filming yet, but they are officially on the cast. So you're saying that hypothetically that Survivor 50 starts July 1st, 2025.

OK, they we are assuming. Yes. OK. So that there's a person, there's a survivor, 48 player who gets on to the traders that starts filming on July 5th. I think we'll allow it. OK, so as long as they're locked in for a cast, that count. As long as they're locked in for a cast before Survivor 50 is done airing. So it's still under the car filming.

That's still the end and they make it onto the car. Got it. Yes. OK. We actually remove the point. If they somehow get removed from the cast. Yes. Yes. Yes. OK. But what if they're an alternate who makes it onto that season but wasn't confirmed at the time that filming of 50 started? I think we'll have to take it a case by case basis. OK. You can't do it after the fact because you know someone like me will complain to my benefit. Liana will be the arbiter.

Okay, that's true. Puyah cannot be here with us tonight, right? No, she is still busy sciencing as of right now. Yeah, is that true? Because the last time he said someone was busy with work, they were on Survivor. So until I see proof of life, I assume that Liana's on 48. She is busy sciencing as of right now. Sciencing on 48 it seems, okay. I'm down with that., I assume that Liana's on 48. She is busy. I think Liana is on.

I think Liana is on. Siancing on 48 it seems. Okay. I'm down with that. So I can draft Liana. So scoring, do we say three, two, one or three? One. Three, two, one.

Three, two, one. You guys have opinions that are the opposite of mine. Like, get a personality. I think Puyah is one way. Shannon's another way. Me and Rob are neutral. I think Puyah is one way, Shannon's another way. Me and Rob are neutral. I think Chappelle breaks this. Yeah, Chappelle.

Good time to ask Chappelle. Even though he is currently not here. All right, I'll break the tie. Okay. Y'all waiting until I left to finally give me some power? Yes. I blame Tare and I know it was you. Wonder which way Chappelle will go.

What's your deciding vote? It's not my thing. Let's find out together. Yeah, which one is Shannon's thing? She wants no two, just three and one. Oh yeah, whatever she does in one. Three, two, one it is. Okay, all right.

Let's go ahead and get in front of that. So three points for casting a person on Survivor 50. Two points for a person who lands on Australian Survivor versus the world, and one point for all other shows, Traders, et cetera, et cetera. We are not counting people from Traders season three for Traders points, and then anybody else has to be announced on that show by the day that Survivor 50

starts filming. Okay, Sam has a wheel of randomness to select the draft order, which will be a snake draft. So the person who has the fifth pick will also have the sixth pick. The person who has the first pick will also have the 10th and 11th pick. All right, Sam, are you spinning for like one, two, three, four, five, or how are we selecting? I assume elimination style, right?

Like for a person's first pick. Oh, okay. Eliminate. Great. He has a veteran. He's done this before. Okay. I've seen that.

We should have done the bingo balls. This was a perfect opportunity to bring out the bingo ball machine. Okay. All right. So how are we doing this? Is this going to be a perfect opportunity to bring up the ball machine. OK, all right. So so how are we doing this? Is this going to be the for the fifth pick or for the first pick? First spin. Got to be first, right? You have first pick. Yeah. OK. All right.

Damn spin that wheel. All right. This is for the first pick in the draft. And it's coming up. Baron to run. And it's coming up. Oh, Taryn. Taryn. See what happens when I have humans to hold me back. It's in fifth place.

All right. So Taryn is first. Okay. Let's spin that wheel. Okay, we are spinning and pick number two is looking like we're about to maintain the same All right, let's go ahead and spin that wheel. All right. And the third pick in the draft is going to go to. Oh, so close. Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. Wow.

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Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Oh, is going to go to... Oh, so close! Pooja! Pooja! Wow. Wow. Twice so close. Even the wheelie. If you were listening to the podcast, that was a hair away from staying on Shannon before

with the Pooja. We need a screenshot of just this wheel. Shannon Chappelle wheel. Spin the Shannon Chappelle wheel. Spin that wheel. Shannon Chappelle wheel. Spinning Shannon Chappelle wheel. Yes. Spin that wheel. Just like the get along wheel, Shannon. We need it to be like this.

Oh my God, Shannon lost the wheel too. Yes. Um, where's Liana? I already want things to be upgraded. Chappelle. OK. Look at the wheel. All right.

Shannon, I have a good feeling this might be you. Just to prove it works. OK, thank you so much. Hey, hey, hey. It's you, Shannon. There you go. Suspicious. It's because this is meaningless and I have no plan, but like.

Come on. All right. So let's see. And then so the draft order is Taryn, Rob, Puyo,aryn Rob, who you're Chappelle Shannon. Okay. All right. So Taryn, you got the first pick of 700 plus survivors. Okay. All right. Well, okay.

I feel like this is pretty insult. I think that as of right now, I think we're planning for five rounds of the draft, but let's see how we're doing on time. Okay. Yeah, we can go to like 10. All right, well. Yeah, two and a half hours seems good.

Listen, I feel torn right now. I feel torn between friendships. Because on one hand, I wanna be a good friend to Asia, and I wanna pick Asia first. On the other hand, I wanna be a good friend to Chappelle, and let Chappelle take Asia. So how do I choose between two friendships at war? Well, Taron, I think that you should do whatever,

look, do what makes you feel the best. But if you want to take Asia, I would understand because although you're a really good friend, I don't trust the people who are coming after you. You know what I'm saying? I'm just saying, I don't know that Asia would fall all the way to me, Taryn. This might be your chance.

Oof, okay. Well, I think, listen, what Chappelle just did there, that. I think, listen. What Chappelle just did there. That was a good friend move, and I think I have to reciprocate the good friend move and not pick Asia. As my first pick, you know, and we'll see. We'll see if Rob and Puyah follow suit.

Yeah, we'll see how good friends they are. I don't know. I got my fingers crossed, Terran. I know these guys, they love me. I hope that they are able to prove that today. OK, so. I'm looking through this list. I feel like this.

I feel like I've been through this list. What is that list? Every survivor? I went to Wikipedia. It's every single survivor. You know, I'm looking through this list. Is there one long list of all the survivors? Really? Yeah. Before Tara makes the pick, though, it is interesting. We don't know what the format is going to be.

And if people are listening to this at some point in the future, like I could see a date where, you know, it's like the cyber 50 cast has come out. Maybe we were ended up releasing this podcast. We don't know what the theme could be. We haven't heard any sort of like inklings of which way they're leaning. So the draft strategy could be very interesting. People could be going more for legends, going more for new era or with any other like specific theme in mind. So we're we are currently going through the survivor wish list every day where Mike Bloom is going through season by season talking about all the potential candidates. So the strategies could be all over the place.

Yeah, yeah. I feel like you shouldn't have to look at a list, though, because we should know all the players. And secondly, you should I feel like you shouldn't have to look at a list, though, because we should know all the players. And secondly, you don't feel first, they should jump out of you. They shouldn't have to read it on a list like it should be someone who comes readily to mind. Who would be your first pick if you were in Terrence by Shannon?

I obviously will not give that information away. Aaron's going to think I would take your pick. Not that you would never do it. Just so you would know my strategy. You might take it. It might be a great suggestion. It is. It's a very. Yeah, you do.

You do. Shannon's not going to tell us, but just think like athletic male comp beasts. I hate. They're going to make the marriage. She's going to have the best average draft placement. It's not about it's not about how they do. You know, we're drafting. It's OK. Stay with us.

You know, like we're not going to draw a challenge. You're an asterisk. I'd rather not even win than when with an asterisk. Then don't win. I'd love to keep doing what you're doing. She's really good at that. It's not about how far they go. It's about getting cast on the show.

That's what it's about. Yeah, that's true. We're doing it for each one point system. I have my pick. Here we go. I think, listen, I think obviously there's a lot to look for in the new era. But when I was thinking of like, who is really due for a return from for the new era? Who plays goose goose duck with me?

And the combination of those two requirements led me to Christian Hubecky. OK, really, really solid, solid pick. Yeah, good, good answer. Oh, wait, this answer. Never mind. OK. I missed my chance. I think that Christian was a star of his season. I think that they they really enjoyed having him on the cast. I think he fulfills.

I know that there are a lot of like, I think people who are cast nowadays that are like big fans that can sort of like fulfill the smart guy kind of archetype. But- Odd picture you pulled, Sam. Yeah. What era is this from?

Like five years before he was on Survivor? Look at him. I see you, Christian. That's fetching. I see him. Christian is somebody who is, I think, always going to give his all, always be entertaining. And I think like he is a producer's dream. And I think for all of those reasons, I think they will want him back. And given his desire to play games like Goose Goose Duck and Blood on the Clock Tower when we play them on Twitch, twitch.tv slash Darren Armstrong,

I feel like he would want to play. It's a great pick. This is a very solid pick. Yeah, like I don't have a list or anything written down, but like that was a top five pick. Oh my God. You're not going to get a lot of pushback on this decision. I mean, he's somebody who, like you said, Terran, whenever he plays these games with us, he gives it a hundred and those are pixels on a screen. So he's going to give it a thousand for another chance if he is put back on the island or any show for that matter.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And this is going into the shows with Mike. I think that the three questions that we have with all these people is does production want them back? I think that's a check. Would they would they play again? Check and have they aged out of the show? And I think that answer would be a negative. So I feel like that Christian seems

like a very ripe candidate to come back. Kind of got screwed over by the new era starting. I think otherwise, I think we would have probably seen him already. But great selection by Taryn with the number one pick. Thank you. Okay. Yeah, that picture of Christian looks like he gets bullied by the current picture of Christian. And so, yeah, I'm very excited to see what happens with Christian. Dr. Cubicky goes back to Survivor or one of these other adjacent shows. That is my biggest concern is that he will be busy at when they want him. Yeah, true. I thought you were going to say that he's going to get bullied by future versions of himself.

I mean, anybody's going gonna invent a time machine of to go bully themselves. If anyone's gonna get dark mattered. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, ask Dr. Hubecky, we'll be back on RHAP next Monday night. So maybe that could be a question for Dr. Hubecky.

Is he willing to come back to Survivor? All right. I thought you were gonna say if he made a time machine to bully himself. If he had a time machine, would he go back in time to Survivor? All right. I thought you were going to say if he made a time machine to bully. If he had a time machine, would he go back in time and bully himself? Yeah. Another good question. Also, Sam doesn't realize what he's done because now the chat wants

all like awkward pre-Survivor photos. Yeah. Get to work. I hope Sam finds out. Yeah, Sam, you're now passed now with find the most interesting picture of whoever we talk about. And you know which and when Rob says to Nino's name comes up, you know which picture we want. You know, we could drive Rob. Okay. Yeah. But you know, the picture we're looking for. It's not playing. Well, they're all here.

Yes. It was the same. Oh, my God. You're dressed just like me. That's so flattering. Wow. My imitation is, you know, thank you, Shannon. Are we ready? Pick number two goes to me. All right. And so I'm going to go with the person. And then go on.

You could get yourself three points. Yes, that's true. Or you could not go on if someone else drafts you to prevent them from getting three points. Yeah, thank you Shannon. All right. I like that better. All right. I'm going to go with somebody who, I would have taken them number one. I will instead take them number two. I think that if I didn't do it, I think it would be a big mistake. I'm going to go with somebody that I just spoke with. Give me do it. I think it would be a big mistake.

I'm going to go at somebody that I just spoke with. Give me. You. You bird at great pick solid pick from this last. How do they not take you? How do they not? How do they not call him back? Yeah, I mean, honestly, if anything, if anything, it might be because they want to save him for like his own return. You see, you know what I mean?

Where it's like you versus like Bonnie or something. You versus Angelina. Yeah, I just want to point out that Rob just said, oh, I know Shannon would take athletic guy who makes the merge and then drafted the person I drafted in that mold in the last draft Well, see that thing it took Q this time because I mean we all know you were gonna take you if he did it I wasn't he's a top five pick but he's not my first pick You weren't gonna take Q? That's interesting You weren't gonna take your top five pick?

If I get an earlier pick drop to me then I will in my last place Cuz you know you would have been fifth What I'm hearing is that Q was her fifth pick get an earlier pick dropped to me than I will in my last place. Because you know you would have been fifth. What I'm hearing is that you was her fifth pick. I really hope you doesn't see this clip. Time bomb, baby. Oh, no, I'm doing. Well, it's fine.

Imitation, as we're saying, is the sincerest form of flattery. You want my draft pick from last time? Have him. But I'm just. Yeah. Well, the difference here is we're just getting people on the show, not drafting for any show. I just explained that to you. And Q is the personality that could literally be put on any show, whether it's Survivor. What about all the shows?

I mean, there is a world where some of these people are multi-point players. Get like five points. Yeah. But Q, as we see in this photo, is a successful guy. He's got some businesses. He's a busy guy. I don't know if he's gonna be saying yes to every opportunity. Well, I just spoke to him the other day on a podcast,

and I think that his business is at a point where I don't think that he necessarily needs to be the person who's there day in and day out. So it's the opposite. He's so successful that he necessarily needs to be the person who's there day in and day out. So it's the opposite. He's so successful. So successful he can step away. Yes, you go Q. I'm happy for him.

So, yeah, gotta go with Q. I think that he wants to come back. I think production wants him back. Obviously that he has not aged out of Survivor. So, yeah. obviously that he has not aged out of Survivor. So yeah, we'd be lucky to have him, whatever the theme could be. I think the only question would be like, oh, is this like extreme recency bias?

Will this stand the test of time? And like my ass would be like, no, and yes, like I really do think we'll still be caring about Q in a couple of years and it's not just like the flavor of the moment. So yeah, I think he's got good longevity, good options. It's hard to find somebody that is as good a character as Q who also plays the game really hard

and somewhat effectively. I think like that's- Or certainly in an interesting way. Until he tried to quit, sure. I mean, like up until the point where his game blew up, he was like an actual contender in the game as opposed to other people who are sometimes like big characters, but like they're kind of dragged along

because they're big characters. So that combo is like a very rare and valuable one. Yeah. I think Q's run on Survivor Taron, I think is sort of like akin point. I think that's a really good point. I think that's a really good point. I think that's a really good point. I think that's a really good point. I think that's a really good point.

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I'm going with someone who is from the new era who had a very iconic moment in their season. So much so that they're shot in the dark work correctly. And as Canadian, Amy Caleb back on the board for me. Okay, interesting. Yeah, I just feel like Caleb has such good charisma, confessional is good, understands the game, willing to take risks in the game,

has this big marquee moment in the new era with the shot in the dark, effectively wiping out the entire decision of the tribe. And I feel like he's an easy one for me to see play again. Yeah, he's the he's the poster boy for the shot in the dark, not being a complete bust. And I can I can only see them just like just like getting all excited to show the clip of like, oh, look at our twist that worked. Like for that reason alone, I think he's a contender.

Yeah, I definitely think that Caleb would have gotten drafted. I feel like the number three seems early for Caleb. Oh, see, I completely disagree. I think that if you wanna highlight the new era of Survivor, like Taron was saying, this is the one marquee person that exemplifies your twist. The twist that we talk about every week, I think I'm playing the shot in the dark. Even if Caleb is not that exemplifies your twist, the twist that we talk about every

week. I think I'm playing the shot in the dark. Even if Caleb is not that memorable of a player, he will always have that moment. He's like, he's already had like stamped his name and survivor history and it was all by chance, you know? So, oh, this is an interesting picture, Sam. So yeah. I'm assuming he's teen Michael with older Michael in this. For me, it speaks for itself. That's great. But yes, so that's why I slightly disagree with you. I think they're like if you're going to just highlight the new

era, I think yeah, 50 is calling his name. I well, I think it's really theme dependent on Caleb. I definitely can see versions of season 50 that include Caleb, but I think that there are also versions of season 50 where if it ends up leaning more towards legends that maybe Caleb isn't somebody who makes the final 20. And I think the way everyone's going to draft here is going to definitely lean into what everyone's thinking it could be. You'll learn once you see my team that I might have a specific idea of how I think things are going to go.

Okay. I mean, I definitely think that I might have a specific idea of how I think things are gonna go. Okay, I mean, I definitely think that Caleb would be a worthy all-star. I would love to see Caleb play again. I just think that, I didn't expect Caleb to go in the first round. Understood. Probably like a top 10 to 12 pick for me.

Yeah, and Caleb would come back. They would want him back and certainly is still a great age to play Survivor. So it would be very fun to see Caleb 2.0. All right. Chappelle, you have the number four pick. Is your decision made? No, no, actually, I have a dilemma because when I went into this I did not expect to draft any winners. In my mind I thought okay well maybe they won't go with winners because we've already done

winners at war but now I'm kind of like I do it because if I say I'm gonna draft winners and I have to draft Asia you know that makes it available for me but because I don't really know how she did I'm like I don't want to jinx her either. And I know I'm going to try to draft her for the 47 draft too. So I'm putting Asia in a little box over here, just to separate.

Yeah, I mean, Shannon, of course, this is your chance to snipe it if you would like. I would never do that to you, Chappelle. Do whatever you would like. You can take your shirt. We're gonna have to take your pick. You did take my shirt. Yeah.

I mean, you could take my pick as well, but I do feel really good about the pick I'm going to make. I don't think this person will be playing on Survivor 50. But I'd be hard pressed to find somebody else who I wasn't pretty sure is gonna play on another reality show between now and Survivor 50. And that is Michelle Fitzgerald. I will be going with her. Okay.

Because if she doesn't play the challenge again, I will be shocked. That is a great thought. There's a challenge strategy. I don't know enough about the challenge again, I would be shocked. That is a great thought. There's a challenge strategy. I don't know enough about the challenge to explore it. So this current season that is filming now is not eligible. It is not, no. But there will be at least six seasons

of the challenge before then. I think he still gets support, at least guaranteed. Yeah, you still get one of those guarantees. For a year from now. I mean, you could pick five people that are definitely gonna be on the challenge in two years. Yeah.

And I think so the thing about Michelle is that she's obviously an iconic survivor player, which makes her good to draft for any like survivor draft who we're going to bring back. She played on Winter's Air War. She did great. I mean, she pretty much is like, she's a force in survival whether people want to acknowledge it or not. But she went on the challenge and she's a forest and survivor whether people want to acknowledge it or not. But she went on the challenge and she's made such a big name for herself.

Like she was one of the stars of one of the more recent seasons of the challenge. She ran the game. And so it'd be insane to not have Michelle on again. And so that's kind of where I'm leaning. I think she's also not out of the question for the traders. Exactly. She's such a big star on the challenge.

I can see her being on House of Villains, depending on how you want to spin it. Maybe the Goat. You know, I just feel like Michelle has made a decent career after going on Survivor and winning in the fashion that she won out of, yes, the kick. And she's really parlayed this into being one of the flagship people from the show

who've gone on to other shows. And so for me, it's so hard for me to not pick Michelle. How many seasons of The Challenge are there a year? Like I think the five grad is five years. I don't think they film five a year. That's an exaggeration, but it feels like it. Yeah, two or three. There's at least three a year.

Yeah, so when an all star is just one person on 50. But you think you could come back for 50 as well. I think she could go to a. What if they what if they go on another show and 50? Yeah, I think they get points for that. Yeah, you know, points. Yeah, points. Just for me, the show has to film between now and then.

And then they have to be back for 50. Yeah, I can see Michelle on the challenge. I can see Michelle on the goat. I can see Michelle on the challenge, I could see Michelle on the goat, I could see Michelle on House of Billings, and Australian survivor as a winner. I just think that the sky is the limit for Michelle and so I refuse to not pick her. I feel like it would be kind of random to have Michelle on Australian survivor. I don't think they go that way. You don't think they would want a former winner? No, I don't think so. I think they'd need like even bigger name recognition

than Michelle or someone who feels somewhat connected to Australian Survivor, which I don't think Michelle's like ever spoken about Australian Survivor. So I guess I would. Gotcha. Yeah. My knowledge of Australian Survivor is limited, but I do know that like she is such a big name to me.

So that's why I picked her. Yeah. I don't see Michelle as being super likely for Survivor 50. And again, it really will depend on what the themes are going to be to bring back somebody from Survivor 40. I feel like that her story, she's won. She's gotten to the end. I'm not sure how much there is left for her to do on Survivor, but I do think that she does have a lot of upside to pick up these other points.

That's why we're going to strategy should go for gold. Yes. Well, you know, I guess I think Michelle has is one of the few people where I could see her landing on any of those points and then multiple points even. So, yeah, I thought it was a strategy to go for gold. I mean, I could double up. There's a world where this entire draft boils down to who did any other show but 50 and one point could be the difference.

So it's not a bad shot to be honest. Okay. Yeah, it's a guaranteed points. Why are we all complimenting Chappelle? Not me, why are you all complimenting? Shannon, you get two picks in a row. I do. You do. I feel like I had more like a top five.

And two are gone. OK. So three. That's perfect. I've got three. Yeah. And so I think so I'm going to take my first pick on the board. Rick Devons. OK. For the reasons of Jeff's just not doing her attorneys, these are that Rickon's, right? Like he wanted him to come back and be what?

The fire token man? I don't really what was it going to be? Yeah. Basically, he was going to run like the shop. Yeah, the store. Yeah, he was going to run the store. The general store. So that's how much they wanted him on to run the general store.

And then he was the first on fire with Jeff Probst co-host. Jeff wants this man, you know, on TV or on podcast. In content, I think he's a really good shot for 50. Well, it sounded this quick. Yep. And he's a good shot for 50. Well, Sam did this quick. Yep. Mm hmm. Yeah. And he's a great, great shot for 50. Here's a 13 year old Rick Evans. Yeah.

Oh, he's wearing his dad's suit. That's so cute. I do love the... I love the delay in when we get the photo because I've just pictured Sam looking through all the Google images, looking for a photo the longer he takes. I know.

Sam being stressed is funny to me, but yeah, and I think he could go on other shows. I think he could do Australian survivor possibly. Like he's watched, did we even podcast about Australian survivor? Once upon a time. And other shows. Yeah. So I think that he's a great pick across the board. See, I think he's too close to Jeff to be in consideration for Australia. I feel like for him, it's 50 or it's not.

That is a good point. So I feel like you're going for three points or no points here. But it's not just that because he could do another show. I think. No, I think. I feel like his time has passed on other shows. Yeah, I think that's it.

I think it's a wrap. And one of my friends, she's an expert at, she knows all about Survivor AU. She said they probably looking for a bigger name, you know, like somebody with a big name, you know, that would really carry over. She's probably she's probably not right. Maybe maybe I just disregard.

I'm in Australia now. I'm aware of the temperature of Australians. I can guarantee you more Australians watching Australia's 5 and I'll know about Rick Devon's and Michelle. That's why. Yeah, they didn't. That's why for Australia, considering this, maybe you want to. You want to survive a final? And I honestly don't.

I don't feel like I like they know about really either of them. So maybe that's maybe it's a bit similar. But I know that Rick Devon's like. Hears about Australian survivor has watched a trans viper. If he didn't feel good about 50, he might push rid in a way that Michelle probably wouldn't. So that would give the edge more than possibly the Australian temperature on either, which I think is like I'm not I'm not putting the stock on Australian survive him. I think he's like a lot for 50 and could possibly pick up a bonus

point. OK, this is a great game. You guys are being mean. No one said your pick was bad. Yeah, it wasn't on my radar, but yeah, I'm just going by the expert. Rob, no, no, I think it's a great pick. Thank you so much, sir.

Oh, we're the first round there. Rick Devons. Thank you. Yeah. OK, back to me. Back to you, Shannon. Back to the start doing that now. Yeah, someone who unfortunately I'm a couple months out from losing a point. I'm still going to take the pick knowing there could be other points.

Feeling like this person has not precluded themselves from 50, even though they are currently filming or have just filmed another show, but I will take Carolyn. Okay. Um, I still, I still feel like, you know, as upset as a survivor might be that she did traders, they're still going to want to, and she can still do other shows very much like the hot thing right now. And I could see her picking up a lot of work throughout the next year. So it's an interesting question of a will survivor cut off its nose

despite its proverbial face of that. Carolyn, they certainly would have. I mean, you should have been the number one pick had it not been for traders. Will survivor hold this against Carolyn? Will they consider traders to be traders? Yes. Yeah. I think it's a good question.

I mean, that it's, I guess it could also, I think very much depend on how Carolyn does on the traders. Like if, yeah, what if she's black? Yeah. If one and done, I think it will be better for her. Yeah. Where if she gets like the Johnny Bananas treatment ends up like out, like night one or whatever.

And then I think then survivors like I'm to Papa. But we could. Yeah, I will. Scott, come here, Scott. Yeah, I love you can come down with Carolyn. Like if Carolyn isn't booked and busy in the next year, like something's wrong. If she doesn't film another TV show in the next year, I'd be really shocked. Right. And then I feel like if she does do well on the Traders, then, you know,

what's what's next for her? Deal or no deal island? You know, who knows? It's a lot cross promotion. I don't think I don't think they should have an issue with people going on other shows. I think that it's only good for them. I mean, the only the only bad thing for them is that like they might be busy when they want to do a survivor season and they'd probably pick traders over or they might pick traders over survivor because you know, I

think it pays more. I think that's the biggest thing, right? Like in comparison, they pay a lot less than a lot of these other shows. Well, no, so Vibe though hates when people do other shows. That's what I'm saying. They shouldn't. But they do, but I don't think that'll matter for Carolyn. Like I think that they'll be like, well,

they'll break the rule. We need you. So that's the thing though. Like, you know, I think when it comes to somebody like Harvard or Boston Rob, they're like, yeah, we can't really stop them. Um, but do they want to set the precedent for somebody like Carolyn, uh, to be like, yeah, it's okay for you to do this,

even though you're not as much of a superstar, like established reality person as like a Boston Rob or Harvard. I don't know. I think Carolyn is like above to the point where they could do it for Carolyn, but it's like for a lot of other people. I think the thing like above to the point where they could do it for Carolyn. But it's a good point for a lot of other people. I think the thing they have to just remember at the end of the day is the average person who's watching the show where they do like whatever the theme is going to be, we brought

back all these people and people will be like, oh, well, where's Carolyn? And the average person that watches Survivor isn't going to want to hear like, well, we were mad at her because she was on the Traders. So it's really petty. I mean, I think we all agree, like this is preaching to the choir. Like this needs to be in the ears of production. Or I mean, they could try to spin it like, well, she really didn't fit the theme for what we were trying to do.

And we thought, you know, their story is kind of like this. Just back on every theme. She really would fit like she. Yeah, she could represent the new era and more of a legends tier season. If they're doing something modern, you'd have to have her. Legends tier. Maybe I watched a different season. New era. I'm just saying, yeah, they do a legend season.

Then they'll have to have. Some modern representation. Oh, yeah, I hear you. Yeah, no, for real. And then Survivor does love its recency bias as well. So I'm seeing Carolyn right here. It makes total sense. The funny thing is Carolyn will not be that recent.

Like when they're doing tricky, she'll be six seasons behind. Like if you think about the returnee seasons of the past, like would anyone have said that like Fiji was recent to Curious vs versus villains when they had, you know, it was more like token teams was and then like Micronesia were the ones that were. But yeah, it'll be six seasons. Yeah, that's crazy to think. But anyway, reason for us, I guess. All right.

So there you go. There is Carolyn, Shannon's second pick, Devon's and Carolyn. Nice haul for Shannon. I'm happy about it. Chad's loving it as well. We go back to Chappelle. Yeah, I'm realizing that I'm not as high on Carolyn as most people are as a survivor character.

Like she was cool, but I do understand her impact in the show and how many people just completely love her. So I think it's a great picture. Thank you. That's it. That's a compliment. But still fine. How is that a backhand account? Compliment. I don't love it, but I see it. That's a compliment. But still, how is that a backhand account?

Do a couple of it. I don't love it, but I see it. That's fine. Yeah. I mean, I would engage now. Chappelle, I feel like I mean, again, if you all are my friends, you all are going to leave her there for me anyway. So what's the rush? I mean, you know, I feel like I left her there for you and now you're

going to hang in. So if you don't take it now, I might have to take her is what I'm saying. Taryn, if you took her, I would be honored. You know, it's like it's either me or you, though. Everybody. I don't want to be on his team. I'm sorry. I didn't say that. But the person you didn't want to be there, but the person you didn't want on your team and the person that you didn't want on your team the first time I am going to pick.

I'm going with Maryanne because I don't think you can have Survivor 50 without Maryann Okich. I just don't. And I had to make sure I picked her because I needed to prove again, who her real fan is because I know Shannon likes to pretend that she likes Maryann, but this is the second time that she's let Maryann just slip through her fingertips and she just didn't want it. So I don't know, Shannon, I think Maryann's who I'm gonna go with.

It's a little bit more iconic than Carolyn to me, but you know, whatever. Damn, I was thinking so much about Chappelle picking his friend, that I didn't think about how I should also be picking my friends, including Asia. I think that's what, is that what we're doing? What we're doing now, just friendship?

I mean, I did pick my best friend Maryann, so yeah. Maryann is a great pick anyway. That's what makes that annoying. Yeah, I had pick my best friend, Mary Ann. So yeah. Mary Ann is a great pick anyway. That's what makes it annoying. I had Mary Ann pretty high. I think there seems to be this idea that winners are not coming back for Survivor 50, but I'm not sure necessarily where that came from. There were winners that were on Survivor 20

in the Heroes vs Villains. There were winners that were on Survivor Game Changers. The only time they didn't bring winners back was Survivor Micronesia did not have a winner, right? And then in Survivor Second Chances, they didn't have a winner. So now Second Chances, I think, is a viable theme for Survivor 50 potentially, one-time players, second chances. I don a viable theme for survivor 50 potentially one time

players second chances. I don't think it has to be legends, but I don't see any reason why survivor would not want one of the you know great faces in my mind on the Mount Rushmore of the new era to have Mary Ann. And I have it on good authority that Maryann has been to Australia and she had a good time. And so I'm just saying if Australian survivors called, I couldn't I couldn't see her turning it down.

So, you know, I look at this picture, look at this. But look at the people in this picture. How could you not pick Maryann? Like, who would not pick Maryann? Graham's on the side of Rob in this picture and he cut himself out of the picture. And you can see he screen shotted it to cut himself out because the picture is kind of screenshot 2024 dash dot dot dot. So, Graham, get the real picture up with you in it, okay? You don't have to cut yourself out of the narrative.

Yeah. My point stands, I've had the opportunity to choose Marianne in two drafts now and I don't, I can't see myself not choosing Marian Ann in two drafts now. And I don't, I can't see myself not choosing Mary Ann. It seemed like a no brainer to me. Okay. All right. Well, hopefully there's no grenade that gets you in this one. Well Mary Ann would save me from that Rob. With Mary Ann, she's a good pick. You know, now we've got all three of my new era Mount Rushmore. I'm kind of torn on the fourth.

I know there's four people in the Mount Rushmore. I have three. We've got them all now. But I don't think Mary Ann's doing a different show other than 50. She's got a lot of cool stuff going on. Who's on your Mount, your new era Mount Rushmore? Carolyn Q, Mary Ann, and an undecided fourth, which flits between Jam Jam, Emily

Shan. But I don't have it like locked in. But yeah, I don't see Mary Ann going on a different show. I don't think she's doing Australian Survivor. Mary Ann, she's a busy woman, but she could do 50 and this Canadian traders count.

Is that still a show that counts? Yeah, I could see her doing that. That's still, you know, the traders, they. Marianne, you're better than Canadian traders. She is. 100, 100. Count. Oh, Jesse. I forgot about every show counts. Every show counts in my.

What about the amazing race, Canada? I think I think Marianne is a busy woman, but I also think she's competitive and I think she's a star. So I can see her doing another show. Mary Ann's got a lot going on. I could see her doing 50, just 50 for me. Okay. Mary Ann is a great pick. Thank you. Okay. All right. Pouya, we're back to you.

That's right. Back to your haul of Caleb. Yeah, I feel like I'm quickly realizing that I might be on different wavelengths than everyone because I am very much, and I'll just tell you what I'm doing. Oh, wow. I think I'm betting,

putting all my marbles on new era only. I truly feel like that's the direction it's gonna go. I didn't really feel like the whole, it's open to everybody is going to really apply here. And we can talk about my conspiracy theories offline. It's fine. So- Is the conspiracy theory that like Jeff said it

so that no one would do Australian survival, but actually it is just for the New York because that's kind of what I think it was. That's exactly what I thought it was. Honestly, I've been thinking that too. Yeah, that's exactly what I was like. Like more and more, you think that's not true. Anyone can do it, so don't go to the other one. And that's how I took it. That's how I do it. So I could be a good take. Yeah. And I mean, the good news is with this draft, it's fun regardless. So I don't care.

That being said, I'm going to go ahead and pick someone else from the new era. Once again, this is someone who actually my my better half pick in her draft that This is someone who actually my my better half pick in her draft that Gable. She won that draft, but not with this player. I'm going with Jesse Lopez on this one. Hey, can you imagine? Can you imagine taking Gable in the second round? We'd all just have to sit here and accept it. And I have to sit here for a minute explaining why I've done it.

Yeah, no. But the pictures have no. But yeah, I mean, I know that, you know, Rob, you've definitely socialized with with Jesse far more than any of us have in the in the last bit. So I don't know how keen he is to play again, or not. But I feel like he's someone who is very down. And also, of course, if his son's on a Mr. Beast video, I'm not going to count that as a point because that is ridiculous. But bonus points for the- What if he's on a Mr. Beast video? Does that count, Rob? If he's on the Mr. Beast show. What is-

What is going on here? Yes, Sam. Yes, Sam. What is happening? So I'll say if Jesse appears on the Mr. Beast show that's on Amazon Prime, then I think that Beast Games, that would count. But I think if he appears on a future Mr. Beast YouTube video, that does not make sense. Yeah, I agree with that.

This is the best photo that ever existed ever. Yeah. What is the backstory here? Yeah. Find out what's going on with this and report back. That hair is what it was second or third rows Google page. Yeah, I have. I think this is a great thing. I think honestly, like of the new era, I feel like Jesse is one of the bigger

locks or somebody that they would want back. Just like his story that season was such a main sticking point for the entire like it was such it was like one of the main storylines that season, it had a very dramatic moment with the betrayal of Cody and then the dramatic loss that he, like a lot of people were like really upset by it. Like it really emotionally resonated with the audience

and I think that they all want to see him back and then on top of that, he plays hard, he plays well. It seems like a no brainer to me. Yep. I was drooling salivating that I thought that maybe Jesse was getting back to me at number nine. Jesse went way late in this draft. I think you thought he was a top five pick. I think so. I think you could have been a top three pick. Hmm. Interesting. I'm happy. You're my boss. Thank you for that. Okay. All right. No, just, he's, just, he's a great pick. I think that if he wants to do it, I think that they would definitely want him back. So, all right. Great job. Who, yeah. job. Who comes back to me? I do not share the opinion that it will be new era only in Survivor 50. And so I am going to go with somebody who did play in the old era. And

I'm going to go with a woman who is a star of not just Survivor, but also the critically acclaimed White Lotus. No! Can I have your draft pick? No! Yes, Angelina! That's not the quote! That is not the quote, damn it! Pop great pick, Rob.

We talked about this. Not it, you and Diller affected the quote, but it's still fair that you quoted it. Yeah, it's not the quote. What is it again? It's like, would you mind if I could? Yeah, I have your. Yeah. He doesn't say there's a lot more words in it.

It's a lot more worthy than you think. It's fine. It's there's a science to it. Yeah, it's fine. Angelina is number nine of the board. I'm going to have to go look at the list of survivor players. Oh, now who's looking at a list? Yeah, we know them.

Why do we need to look at 700 people? I can't think of it now. We've taken all my pictures. Yeah, I think that Angelina could fit into a variety of different themes. And I think that she's somebody who also kind of got hosed by the new era starting when it did, because I think that otherwise she would have certainly been back for another season. And so I think that I can't imagine my production would not want to have Angelina back.

I suspect Angelina would want to go back. And so, you know, I don't, I know Angelina has a baby. I don't know if that she has any other little one, two babies. Two babies. I didn't know that. Congrats to her. A little tougher potentially to get away. In my Australian survivor.

Yes, queen. Yeah, in terms of who has babies and how old they are and how much people might want to go on the show, I think that Angelina is fine. Yeah, we started a lot of winners of war. The White Lotus, do you think that's a disqualifier? The fact that she was not, you know, about. Yeah, I think that's a multiplier. Oh, she's right.

So she's on season three for season four of the White Lotus. And she backdoors between now and 50. Then we get like five points. If they're on if they're on a scripted television show, do we get bonus points? Exactly. Yeah. Do are we doing bonus points for scripted TV? I think I will get that. I'm doing it regardless, right?

That's just a little bit of plus one, I think. I'm plus one for being on the White Lotus. Well, we should just like we should really be looking at the David versus the life. Are we not that? Good. That option is still available to you. We can't. You're making things up now midway through the draft. No, we said any show that's not a survivor show is plus one. Yeah.

I think we did we not put in the word reality? I feel like I don't think we said we did another show. I didn't get it in writing. Yeah. We just threw some examples in of like traders or this or that. Traders, Sessions, Severance. Yeah. Angelina 2.0, we need it. So very excited for Angelina. Yeah.

In the official Rap Survivor drop-back to Twitter group, Sam says one point to each member of your team to appear on another reality show. Yeah, but if Sam said in a group chat, that's not right. That's not canon. Is he in charge? Because I didn't sign up for that. It's literally in the...

So, and I said... I mean, did you or did you not approach this podcast at the start by wanting to change multiple rules? Yeah. And we decided not to. And then we locked in on what we did. You take White Lotus. You take White Lotus.

It's fine. It'll be the next time White Lotus has been a point of contention for me. We're saying this like there's a lot of these survivors that are on a lot of scripted shows. This is that you don't know. That could be the one point that could be the one point. You know, like if Carolyn shows up on like House of the Dragon or something, I'm like, if that's it, sure.

You know, but yeah, no, that's fair point. I have to move Cody Asimashir up to my of my list. Why? What do you think he's going to be on? Oh, Shannon, you just don't know. I am. I still haven't seen White Lotus. What? Yeah. Are you OK? Wow. Not really a survivor fan. Oh, anyway, I was basically a survivor on TV.

It was on my quiet. I apologize for Shannon. Yeah, we love the White Lotus as if he's a patron. OK, what happened was it was on my white. I apologize for Shannon. Yeah, we love the white lotus. As if he's a patron. OK, what happened was it was on our list. And then Peter watched all of it on the plane. Hey, wait. And on the way to the plane, on the way to the airport, I said, don't watch something that could change, that could affect me.

Right. Wow. Something that could affect me. Yeah. Don't watch something that could affect my viewing plans. Like you see a movie without me that women watch. You watch the first half of The White Lotus on the way to Dubai and then texted me and I said, Oh, my God, why? Why did you do that? And then he watched the second half on the way to London.

This might be the first fight because I don't know. When I met him, I thought he was very nice and you have just changed my mind. Thank you so much. I put it on Twitter and said divorce. And then people were like, yes. And then other people were like, if you guys can't get hold on, though, were there extenuating circumstances? Was he feeling sick and needed something? OK, here's the thing.

Circumstances were there was very little else on the plane to watch. Yeah. And I've been saying for ages, I'd watch the white lotus and we had it yet, but I swear I was about to. And it had been years since the show would come. And could you watch it without him now? I'm going to I'm going to have to. You have to. Yeah. Like, I don't I don't have that much like, like, if I watch something,

I want to watch. Listen, long travels like that. I feel like that's a you get a free pass. Cheat on your diet, have a little snack and then watch a show. But I won't give you this Peter. I'm on your side. It's a long distance flight. I'm on your side Peter.

But you messed it up. The move is to then rewatch it with Shannon and pretend you've not watched it. Now that's the move. But he's done before. I mean, that's worse. That's what he's done before. I won't be with you Puyah

except that she specifically clarified. She did specifically said that I remember it so that I said to him, that was the one thing I said, if I have a good trip, don't care about don't have a good flight, hope the conference. I don't care. I said, don't watch anything that could affect me. And you know, I was talking about movies. I didn't go for a second. You watch an entire season of television.

Now I can't watch even to that good He watched an entire season of television. Now he can't watch season two because of what I'm saying. It is that good. But I don't... Yeah, if it wasn't that good, Shannon, I got you. I got you on this one because I support it because it is that good. But also I understand because it's that good, it would have been hard to resist. I don't know. I don't know. Wait, who you said it's not that good? No, it is great.

No, who you said it's not that good? I feel like I don't know what, like how do you watch a whole show and not just a movie? I'm like, it's that good. No, but I never I did. I never definitely only on the second. I never think. Oh, sorry. We lost.

We lost a round. Thanks, Peter. He might watch a movie with that. I didn't think he would anyway. Whatever. It's done. OK. All right. Taryn has two picks in a row. I didn't think he was anyway. Whatever. It's done. It's been OK. All right. Taryn has two picks in a row. I have two picks in a row.

So listen, here's the deal. I I very friendly gifted a friend to a friend, and he decided to not not pick up his friend from the airport. And so better friends in here. She's been hanging out there just friend from the airport. And so, she's been hanging out there, just waiting at the curb. She she was like, listen, I'm I'm I'm at this part of the thing.

I'm this is what I'm wearing. Like, you know, find me. And Chappelle didn't show up. So now I have to drive out and pick her up. I got to I got to pick Asia. Hey, I'm worried that you're picking her up because it's been a few weeks. Like, has she just been waiting there?

It's not very week. It would have been so mean if you did that whole speech and then picked someone else, Taryn. That would have been a villain moment right there. Yeah, I wish I had thought of that. You could have gotten her in the back seat. Mom! Ready to go, oh no, come on.

You could have done better than that. No, you cannot because she is ready to forge her own path. To us, this is the like, whoa picture. Yeah. This is the day that changed our lives. You know, like. Yeah, when we found out that Asia was almost there. Ready to forge her own path, okay?

I'm sorry. The amount of faith I have in Asia to be an incredible television character, strategic force, no matter what happens in 46, she's gonna be on TV. Or 47. Or 47, sorry, 47. She's gonna be on TV.

And 49. One way or another in some form or fashion, it's gonna happen. Asia's my pick. Okay. I didn't even consider HGTV shows, but I mean the way that they're gonna like follow Asia through her new mansion that she buys with all her money

and then like see like the house that she does for like the Spice Girls, her puppies. Like Asia is not limited to competition reality shows and that's what makes her so good. She could literally get a show about her own life and it would be so entertaining. This is a great pick, Taryn. She's also definitely the easiest person to get for my own show that I create for the person. Yes, when you create the Asia show, I think you can get those points. Will you create the Asia show? How did you get those points?

Okay. All right. Taryn, you have a second pick in a row here, your third pick overall, and number 11 in our draft. Okay, so we talked about winners and how we feel like winners are not off the table, which I agree with. I like what Rob said.

I mean, you just pick the winner. Exactly, that's what I'm talking about. Obviously they're on the table, yeah. I feel like if there are winners and we already have Asia and Marianne, and then- And Michelle. And Michelle. Michelle, Michelle.

We're not having Michelle, sorry. Ah! I feel like, really, there aren't even any winners And Michelle. Michelle, we're not having Michelle, sorry. I feel like, really there aren't even, I think, that many other locks for me other than Jam Jam. I feel like, how do you not grab Jam Jam? He's just such a character, such a player, such a winner. He's still going to so many events and he's still so involved and I feel like he wanna do it.

And I feel like they'd wanna have him. Yeah, I love him so much. Incredible pick, yeah. If I did not firmly think that there won't be winners, he's obviously a top ballot pick, Karen. Asia's into the chat. Asia, Chappelle didn't pick you. We all want him to. Karen picked you and Chappelle made us all not pick you. Again, it was either going to be me or

Terran Asia. You know how you know what we discussed. I'm sorry. Um but no, I'm I love this pick. Terran. I love this pick. Jam Jam is one of my favorite winners of all time. I love the way he played the game. I think he's a fun character. He delivers good confessionals. He's incredibly memorable. He's incredibly sociable.

And I think if they do open, if the winners are on this season, I think him and Marianne are the top two I'm looking at. Marianne and Asia. Very cute photo. The big Z-ray photo. Just chilling. So we do we do Jam Jam and Carolyn or doing Jam Jam without Carolyn?

Like how you see it? Well, I think that, you know, especially if there's any friction there, I think that that does make them very interesting to cast as a pair. There's always friction. Yeah, especially with listening to Steven talk about heroes versus villains with Mike on the wishlist podcast the other day. That is something that they want to go back to. But can I ask respectfully that your idea for the theme is new era only no winners?

Yeah. New era second chances? I mean maybe. I don't see them running a ballot or anything. Can we get to 20 for that? I think so. I mean, you have to think about the fact that a lot of those players haven't played yet.

Like if it's a new era. Yeah. Well, there's also yeah, there's three seasons. About half of what happened. It won't be anybody from Survivor 49, maybe one from 49. Right. And I think you also have to consider that they they came up with the idea to do returning for 50 like now, like not post having those seasons. So they must have an idea now for what they want to do.

We don't know what they're doing. I'm just saying, I think it could be all new era. And I think that it could be all no winners, but I feel like that all new era and no winners, I feel like is like, I don't think that there's a lot of overlap there. No, you're not wrong there. I could be wrong.

I'm pretty sure the only like full returning season that did not have winners was second chance. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the whole Rob said earlier. I want this is what I want. So I'm drafting.

I'm trying to mostly draw for what I want, which is not new era second chances, but similar, which is like modern second chances. Because if you do new era, then you're cutting off like the Christians, like Angelina, like a lot of. Like, yeah, for me, it's kind of like from the last time we had an all stars onward, not counting of course, but no, Rob, to be very honest with you, the other part of it is it's made decisions a lot easier for me to make the pool that much smaller, because my mind would be all over the gaff if I was thinking about winners and. sure. Sure. Okay. All right. Um, back to me. Pick number 12. Good pick. This is a little

bit of a struggle for me to make a pick. I'm really I'm between two different folks here Choose yourself choose yourself. No, who's yourself? So I'm gonna go great on Dandy Interesting All right. So let me just look at the board. I'm gonna go with every survival player I well you don't have a short list So let me just look at the board. I'm going to go with every survivor player. I. Well, you don't have a shortlist. No, I don't.

OK, I'm starting to panic. It was a stupid plan. I'm more thinking who would be more likely to get back to me if. OK, all right, so I've locked in. OK, I'm going to take Shan. OK, bad pick, Rob. Why? Oh, okay, I've locked in. Okay, I'm gonna take Shan. Okay. Bad pick, Rog. Why? Oh, bad pick.

Why? I'm great returnee, a big mistake. Great returnee, possibly Mount Rushmore of the new era. Wasn't there like some controversy with production and like, yeah, no? No? Yeah, no. Yeah. No. I mean, and Shan has played the challenge as well.

So she could potentially be a returnee for that as well, Rob. I don't know. I was exasperated. Is Canadian. So that pool of Traders Canada contestants from Survivor. It's all on Traders Canada. Everything hinges on Traders Canada. Look, I don't know.

I can't speak to anything like behind the scenes, but I feel like if they really did not like Shan, I don't think that they would have like built a whole season about her being the main character. I think that it was a main character when we denied when

you then have to explain to the audience like, well, why didn't why wasn't this person on the show like like do you better have a good reason so I love the idea that Jeff's at like a press conference and people are like where's Shan? and he's like alright alright we just couldn't get her on you know I don't think they're gonna give us any explanation Rob but I do think your point is good I think that you know when you think about the all-star from the new era if you don't pick Shan from 41 then you're just not gonna acknowledge 41 Rob, but I do think your point is good. I think that, you know, when you think about the all-star from the new era,

if you don't pick Shannon from 41, then you're just not going to acknowledge 41 because she is the star of that. And they might not. Yeah. And they might not. But I feel like they have. Yeah. I think that, look, when you go back and go through the list of people from the new era that you'd want to have back.

Like, I feel like, especially also if there was some, you know, heroes versus villains too, is a theme that you could potentially, you know, easily cast her in. And she gave them so much. And so I think that picture. Yeah. That picture is the Shantam. You know what I'm saying?

Like how many new era, how many survivor players have something like so concrete that you could stick on their name? She's almost like Q had the season drafted right after her. Like you know, like in the before Q, you know, in the pre-Q era. I think Shan is like the most, you know, like, like branded character for a survivor. Right. She had her own. Yeah. Yeah. She's her own feed dog. Yeah.

Yeah. She's done really well since the show. Did you follow her on Instagram? I don't know. She probably has TikTok as well, but she has 284,000 followers on Instagram. I'm always watching her reels. She's really funny. I feel like she has an audience outside of the show now. I sort of think she'll be on.

I think she had that at the time of the show. Oh, no, it's grown even since I think. Yeah. Like I think she had like... Yes. Yeah. But I think it's she'll be on. I think she had that at the time of the show. Oh, no, it's grown even since I think. Yeah, yes. But I think it's probably like triple. She's a star. She's a star. Yeah. So, yeah, super talented and then also was very good at the game played like very, in

a very interesting way, played very hard. And so look, we're, you you know 12 people into this draft I don't know how many locks there are yeah yeah yeah you still got some options on the board for the next couple rounds I would say oh yeah for sure okay all right back to Puyo yeah I love Rob that you're like the pools open the world's open to me and then you go ahead and pick someone from the new era that was on my shortlist, but it's fine, I understand it, I understand it.

It's very specific criteria. I'm definitely gonna end up getting into a territory where some people might be like, what is Pia doing, but I don't care. Actually, people already said that with Caleb, a couple of people in the chat were pretty confused about it. Well, they can be wrong, that's cool, that's cool.

That's fine with me. I have a couple of directions I can go with this. To be honest, I was a lot more confident with the ones I've done so far than than here. But I'm going to go ahead and pick someone I'm you know, I'm kind of going to go with the Chappelle mentality. I want them on my team. It's almost like I'm putting some blessings out there. I'm manifesting. I would like to pick one person from 41 as well. Let the doctor be on my team.

I would like Dr. Evy to go down. Take it. It's a. That's yeah. You got me. It's a really good pick. Yeah.

Dr. Evy, man, that's a great big. Evy was also a star. I think of that 41 season. I think Evy was robbed. I think that twist, you know, kind of was new to all of us, the split tribal council and all that nonsense that was going on. And I think it really screwed Evie up.

And I think that if the formatting is still similar, you know, Evie will be prepared for something like that. Because I really think that, like, if there is being swap screwed in this era, then I think that is the equivalent of that. So I think Evy's got it. Yeah. Okay.

I think Evy's a great pick in that like. This is the picture? This is the picture? Yes. Wow, Sam, we gave up on the concept. No, no, this fits. I feel like Evy is somebody that at the very least you would see them on, you know, 50 and be like, oh, yeah.

You know what I mean? I think that's like a sweet spot to be in. Like a pleasant surprise type situation. Oh, okay. Like that. And Dr. Evy has gone through some changes since being cast on the show the first time. And so I think that would be a very compelling story to tell too. So yeah, I think that's kind of cool.

So I'm rooting for you to get those points for you. Yeah. I mean, I think in Puyo's very specific criteria, which is again, like kind of the criteria that I hope for, like it makes sense if they go outside of that, I feel like Evy every kind of falling away. But yes, for like second modern, second modern, modern second chances. Rolls off the tongue. Yeah.

So. Second chance is two point. Yeah. Every super knowledgeable about the game, really hard player. So would love to see everyie get a second chance. And said recently with Mike Bloom, they were on the survivor Samoa wish list that they would love to have a second opportunity. Yeah, everyone, yeah, everyone who plays a new era wants to play again. Also, that that podcast with Evy and Mike was so funny.

I'm sorry. I had a good laugh. Please go check that out if you haven't checked out that whistler. OK, Chappelle, we're back to you. Pick number 14. This is great. I really didn't think I was going to get this person. I drafted them the first time I had the opportunity to draft them. And now I will draft them again. I really hope to see them play Survivor again. But if not, I can definitely see them playing another show

if they want to. I think they are underrated, but I do think they are kind of like, for me, they are the poster child for their archetype in the new era. And so I'm going to go with Owen Knight. Okay. Yes.

How can you not root for Owen? He's the quintessential underdog. He hits his entire season and I know that he would play again. It would be fun to watch. I think Owen's very sociable and probably really tapped into the community. So I think it'd be fun to see him in the game. But then again, if Owen wanted to play the challenge or something like that, I could see that coming his way too.

Yeah, I think that he would definitely be up for going back and doing that. I think we'd all be thrilled to see Owen get another chance to play. Absolutely. Hit the manifest button. I was very excited for it to get to pick Owen. I didn't think he was going to fall to me. Mm hmm. Okay. And Sam found this. Yeah. Incredible. Incredible. What is this from?

He was in that movie. Scream Queens? What's the movie? This movie. This movie. Yeah, incredible. Incredible. What is this from? He was in that movie. Scream Queens? What's the movie? Yeah, I think it was Scream Queens. Yeah, they came and filmed it at Tulane, I believe.

And look at Owen. I would love to see an alliance with like Asia, Owen, and Mary Ann, the way I'm falling onto the floor. You know, I would die for that alliance right now. You think that? Well, there's enough time that you think that people usually like we do these drafts and people have already left. But is it possible that you could manifest an alliance of the Chappelle's

draft team alliance? You could. I mean, manifested. I could call it call these people, put them on three ways. And say, yeah, you got to work together. Damn it. You know, the group chat is just the RJP patron group. Yeah, we're all in that Alliance. I don't know. I just I feel good rooting for Owen to get another chance. I don't know how Owen would, um, would cope with the emotional toll of playing survivor a second time because Owen has a lot of friends. And I think the underrated thing that is probably like,

I guess underreported is that playing Survivor is hard and it's all deeply personal. And I think that we saw how his season dealt with wins and losses that season. It was contentious. And I think that they've made a lot of friends and the community has gotten really tight. I would hate to see what would happen

if these people were to start eating each other. You know, some of these friendships that we've seen formed outside of the game really start to target each other in the game. It's a million dollars, but yeah, I could see it getting kind of hairy for somebody who is as well liked as Owen. Owen was on the wishlist podcast for,

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And I think it's a good thing that we're doing this. And I think it's a good thing that we're doing this. And I think it's a good thing that we're doing this. like Haley and George? I'm like, how is this going to turn out? Are they going to like come out of the show speaking or? Yeah, so it will 50 will be interesting for all of us, I feel. OK. Yeah. All right. The 15th pick and the 16th pick belong to Shannon. OK. So I've got one of my picks locked in, but I think I'll leave that person second

because I probably want the other person to be this round just for semantics, optics, you know, how I feel about myself. But I'm really tall. So you picked both Shannon, or you're trying to pick the one you haven't picked yet first and then the locked one? Yeah, that second thing you said.

Okay. I think the second person, the first person I'm between three different people, I'm happy to say I'm a strategy because none of this matters. So. I've got some heart picks and I was some head pick and then I've got some tweeners. I mean, the fact that Rob hasn't gone, I feel as I mean, he's right there, guys.

Like, but if you won't address himself, what are we doing? Yeah, yeah, that's the thing, Shannon. If you pick him, he might be like, I'm going to turn down my toes now. Yeah, and I would love to see Rob tank it for me or have to give me the point. So I'm like, I'm invested and I really want to see what picture Sam can find of Rob. So definitely by the end of the book, you know, the picture, you know, that's better than that. We can all do here.

But this one, wait. You know the one. Top, top row center, baby. Exactly. That's something that's not on. Call him Tony from the mall. I would have to sign. Antonio. Rob. Is in my thought, right?

Thank you, Sean. So nice. Um. Head thought. Right. Thank you. So nice. Um, head pick. D. You know, D, I feel like as a new era winner, possibly could be the first pick. If we go, if I'm going to win it, which I haven't yet, because that's not the season that I want to see or think it will be. I'm more on and for your wavelength.

But D was on on fire with Jeff Brooks. I think he could do other shows. Yeah, she did commercials. Do commercials count? I was about to say commercial. Quiet place. So one second cameo in why loaders count. Well, it's on a show.

Yeah, you can. Yeah. Yeah. And in fairness, we just brought the script it's on a show. Yeah. You can. Yeah. Yeah. And in fairness, we just brought the scripted TV back to our HAP. We know scripted TV. We got to give a point for scripted TV. Yeah, we know it.

So D I think is a really good pick. And then Omar, it's like, do I piss off everyone of my friends? I'll pick anyone. Do I pick Omar again? I hope he doesn't let me down a second time as my draft pick. He had a good showing the first time he didn't win, but it was a good show. These are the three that are not in your locked one that you already have one ready for. But you get two picks.

Yeah, no, I have a say. I don't know. I'm not thinking two of these three. I'm thinking one of these three. I have a second person locked in. OK. But I like is am I going straight for season 50? Because I feel like that's different. If I'm trying to get bonus points, I'm picking one of these, where I have a second person locked in. OK. But I like, am I going straight for season 50? Because I feel like that's different. If I'm trying to get bonus points, I'm probably going for D.

Heart, pick, that matters too, because none of this matters. Although it does matter, because everyone always reminds me how I've never won a draft. But I feel like if this was a draft, I wouldn't everyone be like, yeah, it was a like patron. Yeah, this is a count now. Yeah. So I'm between all these thoughts. Classic monologue. Robert, you're no, this is a no. Yeah. So I'm between all these stuff. Classic monologue. Um, Rob, are you going to go back on like how how much do you know that? Because Rob was going to sneak on to Dandy behind our backs.

Don't even play. Hey, that's that's one. Like Rob won't go like Rob can barely take a vacation. You know, listen, he takes a vacation. His vacation, like his subs are right here. You know, the we could cover for a vacation. His vacation. Look, his subs are right here. You know, we could cover for a whole new while. Yeah. If I go on Survivor, that's work, Shannon. That's not a vacation for me.

You've said so many times it would be a vacation. That fire is still there. Love. Yeah. And that's what I like to hear. Yeah. Go ahead. I wish I had an outlet. Yeah. All the beloved players say that. And that was such good tips. I don't know. Um.

This is longer than the Peter talk. It's only the first of two. No, I got the other one locked in. I don't know. I don't know. Can we get the wheel out? No, it's fine. I'll choose.

Um, I'll just, I'll take Omar. Okay. I don't think you're going to do it. Okay. I don't know. I don't know. Can we get the wheel out? No, it's fine. I'll choose. I'll just I'll take Omar. Okay. I don't think you can. Okay.

Okay. I think I think they should want you. I think you should go on. I'll take you if I come back around. Yes. Well, I listened to the Survivor Amazon podcast. I appreciate it. Shannon, do you think Omar is Omar just a 50 pick? Or do you think he could play Survivor AU?

Survivor versus AU or not? He does that accent. He's a 50 pick or do you think he could play a survivor? Are you survivor versus a you or not? I mean, does that accent? He's a book. Oh, God, no. Well, here's here's a question. Does the weekly goose goose duck show? Now, if anything, that should be a warning call for his odds of doing well. Doesn't need to do well. I'm not picking him as a winner again.

I mean, he could get cast. It's entirely possible. Well, you guys not loving the big actually, I think he was he was the biggest character of 42. You know, that we did anybody know about the big guy? He was not the biggest character of 42. Stop it. He was the biggest character of 42. The winner. The winner. The winner.

The one with the I mean, it's basically Omer. Like it is, but with winning edge. Right. Yeah. Omer, they win stuff. I'm the MVP of this podcast. The pictures selection has been elite. And we set him a task and he's actually like completely. What's sad, he's like one of like one of the few people that has access to this podcast to that's going to be able to watch this of the survivors that he needs to know. He's going to, he's going to know that I picked him. No, I can.

Marion was the biggest character and then we picked Marion and she won. So that's a different strategy than what I was going with. Um, yeah. One of the friend on the team. Yeah. Big part of the new era. Good. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Omar is on my list as well. So I think the pick is good. I just, you know, as far as as far as Omar goes, if Omar wants to play again, he's going to play, he's going to crush it.

It's going to be great. But I just don't see him doing any other shows. So it's kind of like this. Like to me, this feels like an all or nothing. I would be so curious to see how Omar does in a game with the returnees, because for those of you who had the pleasure of meeting Omer, he is a wild character compared to what we saw on the show the first time around.

So I'd be still curious of people who know who he is, how he does on a second time. He knows his stuff. He seems like he's hitting the gym also lately. Is he in school? Okay. Come on, chicken legs. I feel like another Omer picture that could have been in contention.

You guys feel the best. Well, I know that that long T-shirt with him in the little little little owl legs he got. Mm hmm. Oh, no. Oh, he picked up a cat randomly. He picked up a cat. You were there. The Marriott's wedding. And Marianne just sent a text to the group chat saying, oh, my. Who will we get it? Y'all was at chat saying, Oh, my. Will we get it?

Y'all was at the wedding. Oh, my God. How many times did you pick her as a Rob Chappelle? You picked her twice. Still didn't get an invite to the wedding, huh? Never can never get it. He only picked one step point. Yeah. Yeah. OK. There's Peter in the background.

Peter's laughing because of the cat. Yeah. Straight cats. Was he laughing because of the cat or because of the fact that he watched White Lotus? I think it was that one. He's a menace. Shannon, I'm not something from my load until Peter wins. Be back over. I'm on team Shannon with that one. I'm sorry. That was disgusting.

You should go. I actually mean, well, to me, because you know how much I love them here. Shannon. All right. That was your toss up pick. But you said you have a locked-in pick. No. You know what? I think the locked-in pick could fall back. Huh? Oh my God. I think it could be the locked-in pick.

Interesting. I'm going to choose between D and Rob right now. Rob, are you going to go on any show? He should never admit it here. I'm telling you, the man, he would do Dandy. If they called, he would do Dandy. Shannon, if you've listened to the Ask Rob Anythings, you will know the answer to this question.

He has said several times that he's down. He's down. Well, your other pick's so gonna get sniped. Here, here's the rundown so far, okay? Oh, thank God. Oh, we made it through three rounds, that's good. Three, three we were through three rounds three more rounds to go. Oh my god. Okay Okay, Karen has Christian Asia and Jamjam Rob has Q Angelina and Shan we has Caleb Jesse

Evie Chappelle has Michelle Mary Ann and Owen and Shannon so far has Rick Carolyn and Omar. Okay, Rob, should I? Sam's looking so high. Rob, should I pick you? Oh my God. I mean, he we know he would do the traders. We know he would. I have not picked myself if that's any indication. And I will not pick myself. But Shannon, he will not. If they if they call and say we need the legends, Rob, it's you. He's not saying no. And you know it.

I'm so torn. Okay, I'll take D now. What are the chances that's the theme? Pulls back to me. Although to be fair, if I have only one more pick, then I'm going to take my other person. Sorry, Rob. But you only it's only two. Yeah, you only have to know you have this pick and one more. So yeah, one more. Wow. That's really hard for me personally. Okay. Depends on how we're doing on time. You see how long this one took. Now I've narrowed it down. I have two more picks.

So you're going with D? Yeah. I think it is a great pick. I actually was counting on Shannon not drafting a woman, so I'm sad that this one this one failed to her. I really thought I was safe this time. I have lots of women in my team, too. So, yeah, whole heap of them. Half the team.

She's a great pick if you were going to pick a winner. You're not wrong. Whole heap of them. Half the team. D is a great pick if you were going to pick a winner. You're not wrong. Yeah. Okay. All right. So. The only woman on this draft who's not gone to play Survivor? D? At the time of her win was called the most complete player of the new era.

Had a great run co-hosting with Jeff on the on fire podcast. Jeff was very calm. As somebody who listened to the on fire podcast, Jeff was very complimentary all season long about D was like anything that she said, Jeff was like falling out of his chair. I'm like, Oh my God, what a great point. He's like, people are going to be like, you're giving all this stuff away. That he was very taken with all of the D strategy that she was talking on the show. Right. A D. Yeah.

Try to be. Oh, I also feel like on top of all of that, she has the added benefit of like the update. You know what I mean? Yeah, she's doing added benefit of like the update. You know what I mean? Yeah, she's doing updates with you, Taryn. Yeah, what do you? Yes. Oh, very, very low. Very famously, what part of her storyline was that she kind of used her

relationship with Austin to advance her own position in the game. And now we can update the status of that relationship. Yeah. See what happened after that, because they were holding hands like Romber at the end. And so, you know, we got to get the follow up. OK, I'm going to pick D and I'm going to say that if D is on the show, they don't bring up Austin at all. I don't think so. I don't think that's going to happen. That's part of the story in the beginning.

It will be years from now. It will be one year from now. Long. And what have you been up to the last time we saw you holding hands with that guy at the tribal final? Yeah, I feel good about my bet. OK, it's a great pick. I definitely would have picked D if she had fallen. We invalidate the pick if if she's wrong about the Austin.

No, I think absolutely. I guess they're not that confident. I played and we we show like last time I was D this time I'm D. I love a good flashback on these big returning seasons. So for sure that could be a flashback. You got to tell the story. Yeah. OK.

Also, all right. Low key. D is probably who I would bet. And I love a lot of these new era people. You got to tell the story. Okay, also, low-key D is probably who I would bet and I love a lot of these new era people they're fun characters But I think D could win Survivor twice, you know I think that the Austin thing was like a strategy but I think like D with her back up against the wall I think she could I think she'd be interested to watch I think she could do some things that might be a great pick for her. If that draft ever comes. Yeah, she's a very capable, dangerous player, but I don't think that she has the, oh, we gotta get rid of the vibes

where even the people are feeling like that. Which is wild. How about we send a challenge other shows possibly? Well, how could you betray her friend Jeff like that though? Yeah, that's true. That's OK. This is one of the interesting names here on the board for Chappelle at pick number 17. Yeah, this is interesting because I feel like the survivor 50 thing

is like really throwing me off because I just there's a lot of people who I'm like, I have a hard time seeing them as two time players in the new era. Not that they're not great, but it's like, you got so many people to choose from, you got to narrow it down. That said, I do know somebody who was recently an alternate for a different reality show and they didn't get on. And so I have to imagine that they potentially could get on a different show, maybe their names on a short list for upcoming season of this show, if it is to happen.

And I'd be, you know, it would be pretty shady of me not to pick my buddy, Davey Rickenbecker. So knowing that he was- The Stripfellows friends team is fully forming. Yeah. I was very close that it was, for me it was between Davey or Shan. I thought that I might be able to get Davey

to fall back to me. I think it was gonna to happen with Shannon. If Shannon hadn't taken D, I would have taken D and you would have gotten Davey back. But like, again, I know that Davey, I know, yeah, Rick and back. I knew that Davey was, he was in Scotland. Okay. He was just hoping that somebody would choke on a chicken bone or something so he could get in the game. Quite frankly, the man was that close to playing and he's down to play something else. He is. He's been in contention to play other games. He's hoping that there's a 50-year-old that might be interested in him.

He was devastated when he found out the person who he was essentially waiting for was Jeremy Collins because he was like, well, how am I going to get chosen? And also that's his Obama. And so he was, you know, he was in a tight spot, but, but yeah, Davey has been contacted for a number of shows and he's just been waiting for his spot. And I think not being this close in that same alternate position that he was in when he got cast for David versus Goliath, I think this is going to fuel him to go on another show. I'd be shocked if he's not on another show, but in the next two years.

I agree with you, Chappelle. I feel like Davey is someone who he needs one show to remind people how entertaining he is, and it'll trickle dominoes and he'll be on many other shows. I really think and I think he's keen, which is good. So I could 100% see Davey being someone that once he gets one more shot on another show, I think we start seeing him on a lot of other ones as well. He's an awful human, but he is a Snapchat influencer now.

And so I think that a lot of people are like he has a ton of fans. I mean, he's he's not my favorite Snapchat. Yeah, he he's trying. He begging people to use Snapchat, Snapchat, honestly. But yeah, that's why he's wearing that awful yellow suit in that picture because it's part of his Snapchat promotion. But my point is that he's an influencer and we know how Survivor loves people with fans and he's got a bunch of them. And I think people were sad to see that he wasn't on the Traders and the Traders might

throw him a bone. I know the challenge will come knocking. He's been in the mix for that before. And you know, if Survivor 50 is looking for a former CFN favorite winner, he could be the one. Okay. All right. Anything else on Davey?

Nah, I already said too much. Let's go back to Pooja. Number 18 for you, Pooja. Number 18 for me with the fourth pick. Yeah, no. Shannon, was that you earlier who said all these new era people are keen to play again? Yeah. Yeah, there's one that I wanted to pick, but I just do not think they would play again. What would have been locked for

me? We can talk about it after. Well, yeah, can we talk about the honorable mentions when we're done? Because I got a few on my list that I can't pick. I actually think I want to talk about them as their their prospects. can't pick, but I actually think I want to talk about them as their their prospects. I'm gonna pick someone who I think was severely underrated in the draft we did for their season, had a good showing and potentially, you know, things went a little differently,

could have landed a lot better. I think that I would like to see her again, personally, I think she has a lot of good things going for her in the game of survivor. Give me Franny. Franny. Thank you. Franny, you know, also in a survivor relationship with one met blank and ship to that storyline. I mean, for sure.

They love an update. They do love an update. Aaron's not the only one that loves a good update. They do love an update. Erin's not the only one that loves a good update. Everyone loves updates. I think Franny's would be a very, very fun pick. Very fun. I thought about Franny, I think like the little mini storyline of her, like winning too many challenges, which was unexpected for her,

is like this like cool growth story, plus the showman's angle, the update angle, plus she's just like such a great character and somebody who's just like, I think a very like safe pick for producers to just be like, yeah, we can put her on anything and she's gonna be good. So yeah, I like that one. Thank you.

But is Franny doing any other show? Where do we see her you. But it's funny doing any other show. Where do we see her? No, she's not doing it. It's probably Survivor, I would say. Yeah. The thing is, like, there's a lot of people we've drafted here today that I would be like, they'd kill it on the Traders. But I think right now the Traders trajectory is big names from the old school.

More often than not, Carolyn being like the one that was kind of, oh, wow, they went with new school here. So I feel like we're still a ways away from from some of these names coming up for like a trader spot. But. Took Sam a minute on that one. Yeah. Oh, because how can you find an awkward picture of this adorable couple? They're amazing. Right. Put them on the amazing race.

That's please and thank you. They could get the extra point. Yeah, that's a good one too. That's good. Blanket ship would fall apart. That that poor man, Franny, don't do that to him. Do not drag him through the Amazing Race. OK, all right. There is a Franny for Puyah there and.

Pick number four for him. All right. Back to me. All right. Let's let's go big or go home. OK, wait a minute. What are you about to do? All right. Y'all are really locked in on the new era, even a little bit behind the new era, but we are just, this is all just

like, you know, a shot in the dark in terms of what the thing is going to be. Yes. I think there's somebody that Survivor would be thrilled to have back who has a story on Survivor that I do believe is unfinished. Somebody who I think would be a draw for Survivor 50. There's definitely a possibility to do other shows. Give me Saree. Oh, you took her.

I could have taken Saree. I want my mom to wear tights. I've been waiting with every single pick waiting to get Saree. Dang. I mean, it's a very different survivor 50 than what we're currently drafting. If she's on survivor 50, I think they just knew you're in Saree. Yeah, I could say that would be perfect. You mean like Big Brother 25?

Yeah, she is not one yet. And to Rob's point, that is a big story. Story is not over. And all about the last time that she went out of the show. Advantage get in a horrible fate for somebody that for Suri to come back with a chance to get the win in survivor 50. Do you think that the new era people are like gunning for her? They're like, oh, Seree.

By the time season 50 comes around, it will be the longest stretch of Survivor ever that Seree has not been on. Which is crazy. So they need to fill that gap. Yeah, and it's like what new era mechanism will screw over Seree this time? Right, because you know the do or die

is coming back because of that. You know that's the big damn're going to be taking her out. That's why I can't even get happy for this because the way they keep effing with my mom, I don't like it. I do not like it. Should we bet on how she screwed over? Because I want to bet on change speech randomly,

shot in the dark, left back at camp, can't play it. Ooh, or- Can I put my bet on Jared? Okay, possible, possible. Yeah. What about what about survivor auction? She's the last person because she had the most money or whatever or something like that. I lose her vote.

And then, you know, I'm saying like, you know, that that's the kind of way I see them trying to take her out this time. I'm going to put my money on final five fire making some. Oh, put it in the universe, but it makes sense. Yeah. With anything. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's just vomit. I can't believe they would because I need it.

I need to read back on Survivor of a man that goes through her over. It's Rob solid pick. Yeah, I think this is a draw like look, we know there will be it will be heavy on the new era for sure. But I mean, I think that my personal preference for survivor 50 is that, that they do second chance of, of the, of the, like, or, you know, heavily on the new era, just a second chance to, and then you, you want to do cyber legends do if if if survivor 54 is legends, who's like, oh, I'm not watching survivor legends around number survivor 54, you know, who cares?

You got, but I think you need that that they screwed this up by not doing a like a second chance type season at some point. So what they should have done, they should have done the second chance, too, which, by the way, the logo is second chance. And like the two is really big. Yeah, because it's already there. They should have done that like midway through the 40s or like like 48.

And then they should have done legends for 50. And then whoever cemented themselves as a legend could then be in the legend. But they haven't done it yet. So, yeah. It's what you're going to do. What are you going to do? Also, the pick, Rob, is the the Australia versus the world?

Is that going to be like, well, 14 days? Yeah, that's a like Suri. OK, of all the people that most likely to go on Australian survivor she's someone they would definitely want because they've definitely seen possibly just heroes versus villains. So, no, David Pawson, he knows what's up. But they, Saree, we know Saree. Yeah, that's a good shot there too. Yeah, very good shot on that. It's almost worth it for them. It's crazy that you didn't go out and see Saree.

I mean, I would be on Dandy is not out of the question. Saree on Dandy would make me cry. I would just fall to my knees. He's doing the reality show. Could you even win on Big Brother? I mean, she's willing to do anything. That is a fact. Sheree has no shame, because when you go on Big Brother, all bets are off.

You could do whatever you want. Is she sort of like touch the hot stove with Big Brother? And then it's like, all right, well, I learned my lesson. I'm going to be a lot more selective now. You have a two week with Carolee and Suviva. Can you imagine me? Amazing race with Jared? Yeah. brother. And then it's like, all right. Well, I learned my lesson. Not as a more selective now. I mean, you imagine Jared. Yeah. Amazing race. So is he she would love to come back to survivor?

She still be saying yes. Yes. Wow. I mean, it's less days now. It's 26 versus it's already half the days as well. Like that's right. The first time she played, she was like, oh, bye Bob dog at 26. OK, all right. Taryn has two picks in a row on Survivor.

I'm sorry, say that again, Shannon. He's on Australian Survivor, like that's the end of me. Right. Yeah, I would say that's it. Fade into dust. Yeah, you can just dive in because that's how I felt when she was on Big Brother. I felt like, well, my work here is done. Yeah, exactly. That's what happened. I want to.

Karen, you've been waiting on the Surrey pick for what feels like rounds, right? Do you have backup plans here? Yeah, I have been scrolling the list. Hoping, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling. Taryn, I have a controversial pick and I want I wish you were also thinking about the pick because I don't want to do it. But I hope somebody does because I want to get a suggestion. You can throw it in the world.

Okay, I'll throw this out in the open and y'all can do whatever I want with it. What are the odds that Jalinski comes back for Survivor 50? Keith, you threw out a grenade pick. There's no shot. I'm picking Jalinski again. Yeah, he's been burned by Jalinski. That's why that's why I'm asking Terrence specifically. I feel like Jalinski made a good showing in the five seconds that he was on

television. I think that his name and his his his his legacy is living on throughout this entire season that we just finished. And I think that people are going to be calling 47, 40, several for a very long time. If it's second chance new era, I think that there's a non-zero chance of Jelinski. I disagree. I just- That's the only reason why I've thought it at you, Taryn, specifically.

No, no, no, stop it. Stop the madness. Stop the madness. Jelinski's not a good pick on this. Real quick question, because we've talked about second chance too a lot and we all want it. I'm not mad and thinking they're not going to make it vote run, right? It would not be voted. I would love that. Rob, did they hate that?

Last time chaos. I don't think they liked it, but I, I, I don't think that they liked the two things. I don't think they liked having to flip the seasons around because, um, that if you do the vote, they have to like put not having the control necessarily. Yeah. And like there's a mandate now that like they have they have to make sure that they have the right amount of like demographics that the audience. Well, true. That's true. That's true. And I think it would be really hard for them to do that. I mean, I think it's a good thing that they're not going to be able to do that. I mean, I think it's a good thing that they're not going to be able to do that.

I mean, I think it's a good thing that they're not going to be able to do that. I think it's a good thing that they have the right amount of like demographics that the audience will true. That's true. That's true. And I think it would be really hard for them to say, okay, it could be anybody out of the 700,000 players that we've had and then give us a ballot with 25 people on them. They get weird if then they're like doing it based on demographic of like, all right. Yeah, you can only vote for one of these. You got $25. You got to put your you got to allocate your money toward.

Yeah, I. Yeah, I feel like my pick might pull back to me. And I like my lock and take it. I don't know if I want him anymore. No one else wants something like. All right. Well, I have one pick. Here we go. Or I'll take. And that is a guy I feel like he would have been

a returning player for sure, if not for the new era switch over in the winners at war thing. And let me tell you, he came close, very close to being in winners at war. So I will pick Dominic. That was my locked in pick actually. Yeah, Dom's on my list as well. Nevermind.

Oh, I thought he could fall back. Yeah, I feel like at one point Dom was like a stone cold lock to come back and then ultimately we got to the COVID year and the new era and I feel like that Dom, and then he went to go do the challenge. He did the challenge, which he could do the second season of the challenge. That's not bad for a bonus point.

He could do the challenge again, but I just feel like that the call to arms for Dom to come back and get his second shot has been a little bit muted in the last couple of years. I agree. I think there's a chance that like the time has passed. And honestly, if not for the challenge, I would say almost definitely. But the fact that he just did the challenge fairly recently tells me that like he's definitely still interested.

He's definitely still like raring to go unless the challenge, you know, got that out of him. And and I feel like, you know, if you're looking back unless the challenge got that out of him. And I feel like if you're looking back and you wanna do anyone before the new era, I feel like you're still looking at Dominic. You're like, oh yeah, we never did bring him back. And he was very entertaining and very good. So it feels like it should be definitely an option.

Yeah. I feel like if it's a half and half of like pre 40 post 40, I feel like you can easily put him on the ballot. There is a good shot of getting on as well. It feels like the new Marty P. Ambo, you know, now that he's older, because you know how people wanted Marty to come back, Marty played the game hard. He was like, yeah, but I'm thinking like now that Dominic's a little bit older,

I mean, it's been a while since Ghost Island. He's, and if you're putting him with some of these youngsters from the new era, he's giving me Marty, like a kind of like a curmudgeon vibes. I could see it, Dominic coming to be in a foil to some of these new era whippersnappers. Yeah, I think we've locked in on a lot of the people that were screwed over by the new era because if there was a returning season in the early 40s and there wasn't like the

COVID break and all of this, definitely a lot of the people we've mentioned, Christian, Devon, Dominic Abate, Angelina, like, they would be, they would have definitely been two-time Survivor players. And it's kind of weird that they're not. Yeah, I agree. Some of those, some of these names sound like they've already played Survivor two times because they made that much of an impact. Um, and then some of these people, you know, sometimes you become the legend after your second season. And so we just haven't seen, like, you know, if it had Devens played again and won, you know, we'd be talking about him as one of the best to ever do it probably, you know? So it's yeah, I think that's a that's a fair point. What's better than a well marbled ribeye sizzling

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The beginning of round number five. All right, Taryn. Chalinski? I have so many picks. there's so many options. I could go for rounds. The last round, right? Just so we know. This is it.

The plan is let's get through this round and then we'll do a 60 second. Well, if we do another round, I don't wanna necessarily talk through my options. Okay. That's fair. Let's do a normal round and then round six will be the, you know, 60 second shot clock round. Okay, good.

That one's for me, that feels really pointed. I'll be Tiffany, I'll count. Okay. I loved that when it happened. Okay. Love the timer. Man, there's like a bunch of considerations. There's nobody I feel like super strong about.

But. I think and honestly, I just spotted this name and I was like, oh, maybe he wants to read it. I can't with the list, so I'm going to go record. Yeah, that's a I think that's a great choice. I think that Rob brought it up earlier, but Steven was talking about this on the Heroes versus Villains podcast, where they were saying that

when they cast these all star seasons, a lot of times they're looking for it like built in rivalries, you know. And I think having Ricard and Shane on the same season kind of gives you that same like vibe of just like, you know, it's kind of like that. You feel like you need them there. Maybe not on the same tribe, but you definitely if you get one, it'd be it'd be kind of like a misstep to not get both. Yeah, I feel like Ricard is a somewhat decent Australian Survivor pick, like just like he's been podcasting about it. In fact, David Foster, the EP of Australian Survivor was on

my podcast, but before that on Ricard's podcast. So, you know what's going on with that. OK. Yeah. All right. I stumbled into that one. I love these Terrence picks where he learns things after the fact that fortifies his pick. It's incredible. Well, Terrence, that's a good point, though. Shannon, if you knew all of this, why wasn't Ricard on your shortlist? Yeah. Great question.

I'm not really picky. Like, to be fair, I still don't think I still think Australian Survivor will go more legends. Like, and I think to read the only real option that we've drafted so far for Australian Survivor, I'm not really drafting for Australian Survivor, and I'd have other picks before Rakata if I did, but I still think it's an option. Shannon plays fair, and she's not going to use her insider Australian knowledge. Insider Australian, this is publicly available information. Okay. Yeah. To Australia.

No, no, it was on. It was an American vodka. Like, really, it was hard. I would pet peeves as well. I like Ricard. Like, I feel like if you don't have Shan, I feel like Ricard is kind of like the lock pick of that season in many ways. And he did have, like after Shan leaves,

he did have that kind of like run where he was the front runner that everyone was trying to take out. I think, and like, you know, this is maybe a little meta, but like, I think he has a really cool, distinctive look about him. Like that I think helps because he's memorable in that way. And, and yeah, and I also knew that he was a contender for Australian

survivors. First person ever drafted in the draw. I believe so. I drafted Ricard first. Yeah. And I stand by the pick. I think it was a good pick. I think Ricard had a good choice.

And Ricard had some nice story moments as well. They were able to zone in on Ricard's hearing loss. And so that was pretty cool. I think Survivor likes playing with the production a little bit. And he would give them a lot of wiggle room for stuff like that was pretty cool. I think Survivor likes playing with the production a little bit and he would give them a lot of wiggle room for stuff like that. All right, wow. All right, back to me.

And this is tough. I too have a lot of different ways that I could go here. A lot of different names that are floating around. And so, all right, I'm going to go out with one that is maybe a little out there, but I feel like somebody that I have to think that casting probably, or at least the production, really loved having was very popular with the fans. I'm going to go with also from survival 42.

I think Jonathan, damn it. Oh, he was next on my list. Interesting. Yeah, that was that was actually that was going to be my lightning round pick. Is just in terms of size. He just offers something that nobody else. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. New offers.

It's again, distinctive look. Yeah. Yeah. I think he brings the challenge portion. Mm hmm. He's like number one on the Jack dudes list for sure. Yeah. The new age James Clement, you know, is like you got to have.

I'm going going for. OK. OK, so this is a cast picture of him next to Thor. One of our own. Mm hmm. Yeah. The casuals love him. Tommy, the Facebook survivor loves him. They do. And Boston Rob loves him.

And that can that can go well for other shows. Maybe he's being mentored by Boston Rob. Jonathan on Gandhi. Jonathan, didn't this already happen on Redemption Island? Oh, different guy. Sorry. Yeah, different. Basically the same guy. Thanks, Mr. Robb. Yeah. What if people are on movies? What do you mean if they're on movies? Movies?

One point. Just like scripted TV. One point for movies. Other media. I think the D pick is really good, Shannon, because I could see deep blowing up. So when I was going to go through my options, when this was the last round, I was going to mention Jonathan. I was going to say, I think he's a good pick, but he's a boring pick. And so I don't want to pick him. Yeah. I think that he had a hard time with the just the like the lack of sustenance out there and I don't know

necessarily if he would want to do it again but I do think that they would definitely want him back. Yeah he was always going to be my last pick I literally have him just as last pick listed on my little draft board here because I don't particularly care to see Jonathan on television again and And I like to draft the people that I want to see. But I do know that he's such a big person and a big name for a lot of the fan base that does not include me. And so I was very much thinking, OK, they'll probably get Jonathan because at the end of the day, Survivor is really leaning into a lot of these challenges. And he is like one of the like the new faces of challenge

competitions here. Yeah, yeah. Draft really going with size matters. It's like I've always been a girthy drafter to say the least. Is he going to be in another show? Could be. Could he do Australian Survivor? They do love challenges over there, Shannon. What about that? He's not on their radar, I wouldn't say. Out for probably right. I don't say. Out for probably right. I don't know. I mean, I think they like. And again, this is me with my minimal knowledge, but I'm legitimately asking,

don't they like kind of like the bigger, like competitive, like athletic people? I mean, yeah, why are they calling for the challenge? Yeah, he could have easily gotten that call up. I feel like Ricard is the best new era pick for Australian survival. Gotcha. And then everyone else from the new era. I'm like, then I don't know that they're so invested in the

new era. It's like a bit reason. Okay. All right. Let's go to Booyah. Yeah, so number 23 overall, I'm very excited for this lightning round to see what everyone does with that. I'm very excited for this lightning round to see what everyone does with that one.

That's gonna be fun. That being said, I wanna pick someone who I feel like had a sizable story on the season. Size again? I told you, we're pro-Garcia. Size again? Brandon said size doesn't matter for you, but I can see it.

Sizeable story. Can I just briefly suggest, what if for the lightning round, we specified like pre heroes versus villains or something like. Well, I don't really like those people, though. I mean, no disrespect to everybody. Because I would change things for me. That's why I wanted to get it out as early as possible.

No, that's fair. That's fair. All right. Maybe someone maybe pre Tony sizable story on their season. Someone who made it decently far came up short. Also stomped all over the final challenge and got DQed. Give me whoa. Jake. Okay. Jake. That's a good one. Good story. I don't know. I'd like to see the return.

Some comedic moments. I feel like I feel like that's a good one, because that's another one where it's like you like I I wasn't really considering Jake. But then the second you said Jake, I was like, ah, yeah, that's that guy. Yeah, I remember that guy, yeah, okay. It would be fun on a second. You remember him, it was a year ago. Yeah.

Not even a year ago. Yeah, the chat is asking, do we need both Owen and Jake? I think that Jake's not. I thought you were casting them. Yeah, it's not like we're building the same, you know, one cast, Alyssa, but if we were, I'd be asking a similar question because they have kind of the same story, but also I think they're different archetypes if we were, I'd be asking a similar question because they have a kind of the

same story, but also there, I think they're different archetypes of players. They just both have a lot of like, you know, bad, uh, bad. Well, they had a similar trajectory both of being like, uh, the, like hardlock zero vote finalists. This is why Jake is a great pick because, uh, Ludwig, who is a big YouTube streamer. And he watches occasionally Survivor. Well, that's the one show he doesn't skip on. Like he watches weekly.

So when he started talking about Survivor, I was like, oh, he's talking about Survivor. What was his? And he was like, yeah, my guy, Jake's my guy. Like as a casual viewer of the show. He was really into Jake and I feel like that's very representative of Many sort of casual opinions. These are really liked Jake. He had a great underdog story very memorable with the accent very likable guy and

And I think he doesn't interfere with any other archetypes either. So definitely a good fit. Yeah. And the finale for Jake, I feel like so much of what you remember about it was Jake of the finale, like with breaking the challenge. So I don't think you're gonna be on another show.

I think it's all about season 50, but I think it's a fair chance for season 50. It's not my favorite pick, but I see it's a fair chance for season 50. It's not my favorite pick, but I see where y'all are coming from. Chappelle. I'm shocked. I'm shocked this person didn't get picked. I think they got royally screwed over during their season.

I think that it is wild that we're not talking about them as a potential, like, that we haven't brought them up already. I don't see them playing any other game except Survivor 50, but just, you know, let's say we needed one or two people from each of these new era seasons. I couldn't imagine you, like, just completely skipping over Maria from 46. The way they screwed her over and cheated her in that challenge, and they have heard from the fans, they have heard from the fans that Maria got screwed. It is not even close. I think people...

You didn't see... You didn't see... That's the thing. People have short memories for that kind of stuff, but the way they jumped her in that challenge and completely broke the rules of Survivor as we know them to get Maria out, it happened. And it happened in front of everybody. And I think they'd be willing to give her a second shot.

Also think that Maria has come off like a villain, and I don't think that's a bad thing. I think that you want characters, and I think that if it's a heroes versus villains style, if it's a second chances, who deserves a second chance more than the woman who got robbed by two people, like, colluding in a challenge to get her out?

You were talking about people being robbed that night? I mean, again, she literally had people cross over and start helping each other beat her. And 30 minutes later, something else happened. And now we have a different. Again, and Yalyn drafts his ass either. Whatever doesn't kill her makes her stronger. Yeah, Yalyn drafts his ass either.

But here's the problem, Chappelle. I feel like the last thing people remember about her was her jury vote, not her time on the show. I think that helps her. I still think her jury vote makes her attractive to be on the show again. I think that they made her a bit of a character that she wasn't at first.

I don't know if she's a production favorite. And I say that only because I feel like that she does not get a ton of confessional over the course of the season. So I think that, but if I going to make the case for Maria, I was going to say if if Carolyn doesn't get the call, I feel like that we do not have a mom really, other than Angelina. And the group, it's an entry potentially.

But that's you know, maybe that's a long shot. But we don't really have anybody who's like the, you know, mom archetype. The strong mom archetype, yeah. Like the tough mom archetype has been around since the beginning of Time On Surriver, and so I think that, you know, I think Maria is that mold, but I really do think that between her just, I think her being casted elicits a response in a way that a lot of people like, with Jake, you're like, oh, okay, I can see that. But with Maria, you're either like, yeah, but when Maria like, yeah, she needs a chance or, oh,

I can't stand her. You know, I think there is she's polarizing enough to where you put her on and people are going to tune in regardless. I think this is not a good pick. I could tell. But I feel like it's better than Devon. So I'm OK. That's crazy. It's not better than Devon. I mean, I disagree. I think I think Maria and I've been for Charlie better than Devin's, so I'm okay. That's crazy, it's not better than Devin's. I mean, you look back, I think Maria not voting for Charlie, as I've said, I think is the defining moment of the season. Again, she defined the season. Yeah, but you take Charlie, like both were available for you.

And people came out that night, and for like 20 minutes they were like, oh, we shouldn't allow collusion on challenges. Even though I'm kind of happy it didn't help Maria. I think that was the sentiment. And then 20 minutes later, the main thing we remembered is that she did that and people were in the streets for Charlie. Like Instagram was at war. Like, like it was bad, actually, for Maria. So I think that's the sentiment. People will want Charlie to come back to redeem that.

And I would. So obviously you're going to draft Charlie now, right? No, I would pitch out. Okay. So yeah, but neither of them would the two that I was thinking of next. I'm going in again. All right. Well, Chappelle, we'll have another pick in just a moment. OK. Oh, lightning round. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Shannon, pick number 25 belongs to you. The last pick of the fifth round. Yeah, I'm going to use this time to to do both my picks,

because then that makes sense for the lightning round. You know, I'm going to go in a bit of a different direction. I feel like we could be more, more legendary. And I feel like if we're starting to look at bonus point. There are people who are reality TV. Players now. And like Rob took one in Surrey and I'm going to take another one in poverty. He's come back, done the traders and I think could do more.

I think it definitely do Australian survivor. I would die for it again. Fade to dust. And like if they're doing legends or whatever is always a pick for survivor. Going with poverty on that one. Now we'll still fill a buster on it. So Sam has time to find a photo. But what do you guys think of Poverty as a pin?

I don't like it. I think Poverty, I don't see her coming back for Survivor 50, but I feel like there's probably any other number of shows that she, like I feel like that she's probably most similar I would think to Chappelle's Michelle Fitzgerald pick, where, like, I feel like she could easily be on three shows before Survivor 50. Yeah. And for Australian Survivor, they had the rest of the Heroes Vs. Villains Final Three.

I agree about the Australian Survivor thing. I think that Parvati, she is probably one of the most well-known survivor players on any continent. And so for her to go do that would just make sense. It just would. Yeah. She's someone who can get three points not being on 50 for you, which is- Exactly.

Yeah. So I went in that direction. And then for my lightning round pick- Okay, so all right. So we are officially now through round five. But what about the picture? It will take them longer to find the picture. Wait, so all right. So we are officially now. So what about the picture? It will take Sam longer to find the picture. We don't get pictures.

No pictures in the lightning round. No, no, no. I want pictures in the lightning round. OK. No, I'm between the two, Rob. Well, just text Sam so he can start looking for it. So we are engaged in the lightning round now. OK, when Shannon will have 60 seconds on the clock. Okay. And then, and then we'll just like empty out

our honorable mentions, why we didn't pick people and go through the rest of our notebook. Okay. How many? So it's just, it's just the last, these are the last five choices. Are we going to just, how long is the lightning round? Five choices. Yeah.

Damn. Okay. That's pretty good for this round. Did it start? All right. Okay. All right. It's pretty good for this. Did it start? All right. Shannon.

Oh, now? Oh, I want my friend Rob. He's in this who I love, who I don't think will go on as much because I think maybe he doesn't want to, but I want to honor him in the draft. Then do I want to go Boston Rob, who is going to be on. Which Rob? No, my friend Boston Rob or this Rob. No, Boston Rob is going to be on TV in the next year. A few times.

Beyond the Traders. Is it survivor? I don't know. But if you're picking up points, he is. But I don't care. I'm going with my friend Rob. This Rob. You're with me? I'm going with you. Yeah, I've chosen you. I've chosen you. Alright. I've chosen you. Okay, back to me. I've chosen you. All right. It's not on the shirt.

That is not the motto I thought was coming at all. Why is it on the shirt? We need a 2.0. No, I definitely need it back on the shirt. It is not. Oh, it is. It is. Right here.

Top corner. Yep. There you go. So. That's a no-shot pick. That's my new fave. Sorry. This might be my new fave pick. Sexy man.

Shannon, I appreciate it, but... Big mistake. Come on, come on. Sure, sure, Rob. Gotta be invited. Gotta be invited. Okay. Okay.

Alright. Holding onto the parole, you and me. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Okay? Alright. I'll write Chizzy on the bottom of my. That happened once before, actually.

Not on US. Well, it's global survival. OK. I have that. All right. Fine. You know what? Forget it. Forget it. No, no, no, please. Please. Just write three, two, one. Right. That's what we're doing.

OK. All right. Chappelle, lightning round. I'm between two people because One of them I could very well see playing again just because of who they are and another one I think could go get some bonus points. So I'm kind of torn between those two people God dang, uh How much time I got for you? What's that say? Forty.

Thirty nine. Thirty eight. Uh, damn. Thirty nine seconds. I know, right? Um, six hundred eighty two. I really wish I could talk through this, but I don't have enough time. Give me Michaela.

Michaela Bradshaw. Oh, I actually want to hear it. Do 24 seconds of it, Chapelle. Yeah, Michaela, that's my girl. And I know she's been cast. She's been cast on other shows before. I could definitely see her playing again. It's a while to be that she's not on the Challenge 40.

It just is. And so I think the challenge could reasonably go back to the Michaela well. I think Survivor 50 could have Michaela. She's a legend at this point. She's played multiple times. She's a meme magnet. She's a legend at this point. She's played multiple times. She's a meme magnet. She's great TV. She could play any other game as well.

I could see Michaela going far. She's not exactly what I thought I was going to pick at first, but I think I'm going to play for some bonus points this time. And that Michaela was one of my options. Okay. All right. There's Chappelle with Michaela. All right, put your lightning round.

I don't even need all this time. I'm picking someone who I don't think anyone was going to pick anyway, but I wanted her on my team. I got one Persian in the new era. I want her in my team. I'm taking Venus. I think also again, Canadian could be in the Canadian pool for the Canadian shows on my shortlist for. I feel like she wouldn't play again. Maybe. I feel like she wouldn't play again. She felt to me, it felt like she had a bad time. Who seemed hungry to play, but then got put in a. No, you wouldn't want her back.

Would they like, you know, she wants to deal with. Yeah, maybe she she would play again. She'd be like, oh, great. And like not with 46, I think like she wants new people to play with. Well, guess what, oh, great. And like not with 46, I think. Like she wants new people to play with. Yeah. Well, guess what, girl, they coming back with you. I think that I think she has upside to be on another show, too. And yeah, I think so.

I really do. Star. Maybe the other networks pick her up because I think CBS is like, you are five season desist letters past where we would take you back. Yeah, I don't know what else I could see her playing outside. With the Empire State. Once you know, has a feud with the whole building. That's true. That's real.

Empire State was on her ass, though. It's all right. So it's down to me. Lightning round, pick 29. I think this is a steal. I'd pick 29. Probably should have gone earlier in the draft, but give me Kelly Nalbandian.

Yeah. Oh, I didn't think that that was gonna be the thing you said after Kelly. It was the deeper truth for me, Rob. So, what Kelly did you think? I think Kelly Wentworth, if you're going for Australian survivor, would have been a really good pick.

Or legends. I think she counts as a legend. I feel like that, Jen, I feel like that Kelly has said that she does not want to do US Survivor. That's what I was thinking. I think Kelly is a very good pick for Australian survivor. Yeah, I could see that. But I'm going with Kelly Nalbandian, who is somebody who I think that there is just, I

think there's a lot of buzz about her potentially going back, especially if it's new era, second chances, or just general second chances. I think that people talked about her as that she was going to be the person to beat in survivor 46. If she didn't get sniped when she did, they made such a big deal about her episode. Dalton Ross recently wrote up an article about the moral history of the best new era episode. And so give me Kelly Nalbandian. Yeah, we got to watch that episode together, Rob, in the special screening. Good times. All right. And the final pick, a lightning round, and the draft goes to Taryn. Yes. Well, Shannon has me wanting to pick

Callie Wentworth, I guess. But I don't think it's a bad pick. It's not really a good pick, but it's great. It's like, yeah, but I feel like there's a safer pick, which is either Desi or Jay. So Desi and Jay are both on my list, Aaron. So I do support that. Yeah, I support it as well.

I feel like Jay is probably the safer pick, but I'd rather pick Desi. Real, a real one. So I think I'll go. I mean, how can you not bring Desi back at some point? Right? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. One of the seasons, someone who if put into a regular season, I could see going by way of Michelle. To make this clear to the audience, I'm going for challenge points here. They were on the challenge and they're like, yeah, return to the challenge. Yeah. Okay. Desi and Michaela are right next to each other on my list. Just for that reason. Cassidy was on my short list for that same reason as well, to be fair. I just don't get seen if Cassidy liked to play again, though, like another one.

I don't know. I can't figure out how the fan base felt about her on the challenge. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So I think because I was looking at the Wikipedia list of players because I've now been reduced to that. What was we we can rehash the draft here? Let's just throw out some other honorable mentions that somebody that I wish I could have gotten was Danny McCray.

They're like that he has so that he could come back for Survivor. He's got a challenge upside. Also, he could pop up on any number of shows. Also, I thought about him, but then I thought like, would does Jeff want it? Yeah, after Danny beat him up. I thought about him, but then I thought like, would does Jeff want it? After Danny beat him up? Oh, I think that that could be I. I'm sure a lot of people are wondering why didn't Emily Flippen get picked?

That was the one. She doesn't want to play again. Yeah, she's going to say she does not want to play again. And the other one easy for me. The other one there is Kenzie has said, I think that she said that she don't want to play again either. These crazy fans have scared her off. The winner, she doesn't want to play again either. These crazy fans have scared her off. She has the winner. She doesn't want to play again.

And she's also having a baby. She has no ambition to do this again. What's up? Did any of you get bribed by any of these players? Survivor players? What? What? Why?

Why did anybody bribe me? I got sent one US dollar by one Brandon Donlin with the message for the season 50 patron draft. Tell me what sent to me two weeks ago. Yeah, you'd say you send that to the wrong person because I definitely would have done that. I would not have the dollar. I'm going to use the dollar very wisely. Brandon. That's not how you bribe someone. You say, pick me and then I'll send you the door. So we had never talked about it. I never messaged him about it. It just happened one day, even though he had my Venmo.

But you say, OK, a dollar. I very heavily considered with almost every pick Chrissy. See, I wanted Chrissy. I just never I just never. I don never know. I feel like we've done the like competitive mom thing multiple times. I guess I would have benefited from an earlier returning season than this. Yeah. And and she's like and this is like not her fault at all,

but she's so closely attached to the fire making controversy. Yeah, I don't know if they wanna remind people of it. Which is. Yeah, they remind us every year. Every season when they do fire, at the final four we remember. So. The person I debated taking the most.

I mean, I'm talking about they're at the top of my, and I just kept moving them down because I'm like, I just can't do it. I wanted to pick Bruce so bad. I could just. I'm not there. I wanted to pick him so bad. That's why I was like, how many light rounds are we doing? Cause I might go back Bruce so bad. I can just bomb there. I wanted to pick him so bad. That's why I was like, how many lighted rounds are we doing? Because I might go back for the Bruce.

He he he's a multiple time player already in a new era. If it's a legend, how is it not Bruce? Yeah. Um, the one for me, and this would have been a very manifest pick and one that I feel like they don't know what they're missing, but I would have wanted and picked Gabby Pascuzzi. Yeah. Same.

Yeah. And for White Lotus points. Gabby is such a fun person. And the White Lotus points. Could get White Lotus points. Yeah, White Lotus points. If I had a few more lightning rounds, I mean, I definitely would have vacuumed up some points with Boston Robb.

I'm surprised Boston Robb didn't go just for the fact that he went on draft. Yeah, he just used up all the other shows he could have been on. Yeah, they're going to create more shows. He's going to be on shows that haven't even been invented yet. He's a draft. He just used up all the other shows he could have been on. Oh, they're going to create more shows. He's going to be on shows that haven't been invented yet. He's a lot. I just feel like, yeah, Boston Robb was like too gamey of the system. Too cute. Yeah, it's too cute. Mm hmm.

I think all of these people who like in the story, like all the people who've been on trade is recently like, well, we Tony, Jeremy is like, OK, you're open to doing other shows. Like, let's go, you go in the next year. There's a lot of time to film shows. So I think Tony could have been a good one. I think yeah, Kelly Wentworth would have been a really good one just on vacuuming up

some other bonus points. But the one new era person that I think we haven't spoken about who I think would have been good, Mike Turner. I think they just really liked him. There's a lot of good people on 42, but I think Mike could have been a good. Yeah, my turn is a good one. I would have liked to have taken Charlie.

I think that Charlie was, you know, really the narrator of the season. And I think that maybe the show didn't realize Charlie's popularity. I think that of all of the different exit interviews that we did at the end of the season, Charlie far and away, I think had of all of the different exit interviews that we did at the end of the season, Charlie, far and away, I think had done the best out of all the people from the end of the season. So I do think that there are a lot of Charlie fans that are out there. I mean, will that wane?

Will they end up being Charlie Who a year from now? I don't know. But I think that he was somebody who was very good in the challenges, you know, had a really interesting story in the season. So I think that Charlie could be in contention, especially if it's second chances. Yeah, I think Charlie would have been a good pick. It's funny that the wish list is like three weeks in. And I mean, three poverty and Rob are like the three from like that kind of, you know, first three half era that we have. And then otherwise, poverty and Rob are like the three from like that kind of, you know, first free half era that we have. And then otherwise it's just all like late 30s into new era.

So, you know what they think we're going to do. Let me give you some other people that that didn't get drafted. Cody and Carla from. Carla. I even had James Jones on my list because I could see if he if anybody calls he's going, you know, he's been getting jacked lately in the gym all the time. So I feel like he's ready. He's just waiting on the phone to ring. I think we will ask him tomorrow night when he joins us for the new era think tank

with Shannon and I 7 p.m. Eastern. Oh, one that I thought the survivor would be lucky to get if they could get her. Lauren Ashley Beck. I think that I thought about her too.. I just don't know if they want to touch thirty nine. Yeah, that's what I thought. I think it's fine. I think that they would. Yeah. Do you think they could ever go back to like the Chris Underwood, Tommy Sheehan of it all, like since thirty nine? I don't think either of those guys.

I don't think that they would like I think that you had an interesting opportunity to bring back Chris for winners at war, but to not to not do there. I don't think that either of those guys end up in the club. Janet is another person from Survivor thirty nine that I think. Yeah. Yeah. Get a call. I think if it's going to be anyone from thirty nine, it would be. I think Janet. We are like, I think I think that that like it would be going to such a send off such a positive part.

Yeah, so long ago, though, is survivor anti Carson now. Yeah, I mean, they love Carson at the time. I think that there's probably been like some issues there, but I would have taken Carson before, like Venus. I feel like they have a similar kind of issue. Heart pick once was the heart pick one, Shannon. I think Rob's telling me to my face is probably not gonna do it You know, I'm like, can I change the big I didn't say I was probably not gonna do it

I said probably not gonna get called. I said you will. Yeah, you said the phone ring ring, but I think it might ring Yeah Ron Clark is somebody who I think is interesting. I don't think that he's Necessarily they make a movie about him, is that. Who's going to play him? Yeah, we don't have anybody to play him now. Yeah. But does that count?

And then I have a couple of legends who I think could have gotten drafted. Malcolm is somebody who I feel like don't sleep on Malcolm in Survivor 50. Kind of in the s the series spot a little bit Yeah, very lower than that on the wrong But someone whose stories incomplete last time we saw them gets this devastated dual tribal idol out Like bloom got his jollies off to that. Yeah. Yeah I think Tyson is somebody that you always have to keep an eye on Yeah, I was I was tempted to go with Tyson,

but I couldn't figure out where they were going to put him. You know, I didn't think he would come back for 50. But I was like, what do you I don't think he would. He hated the challenge. So he's not doing that again. So I'm like, what would Tyson do if they were to bring him back? And so I was like, I couldn't pick him. I was trying to think of like some diverse, you know, diversity

as far as like casting. So everybody didn't look the same. I thought about even Nasir from 41. I thought he was like, he was good. I thought he was good. He was like, he's like the cool version of Banu. You know, like his story was like, I love Survivor and I watched it

and I was learning English watching Survivor. Like that was cool, that was cool. And it was better for him. So I liked it. Yeah. One other one from the old school category is, I feel like Earl is a very interesting call to bring him back. He didn't get a shot for winners at war.

And I feel like that he's definitely like in that camp of like, he's not like super old where he couldn't come back and do it and he hasn't done it yet. I think there'd be like a reverence for Earl. Oh, there would be, a reverence for Earl. Oh, there would be, yeah. But what does that mean?

Wasn't he on the shortlist for winners of war, but he couldn't do it? He couldn't do it, yeah. Yeah, I think that his wife was having a baby, I believe was the case. Babies, really getting in the way of casting these. From the chat, Natalie said, can they draft 47 players? because John Lovett is guaranteed

to be either on some late night show or talk show. But I don't think that counts. I don't. Yeah, I don't think that like a Stephen Colbert appearance. That's an interest. Has anybody watched any of those interviews closely? Like, have you asked? I have not checked them out. Well, I was going to ask if he gave the the impression that he would want to play again. I thought you were going to ask if he gave the the impression that he would want to play again.

I thought you were going to ask me, he gave the impression. This whole story was like, oh, I kind of showed up. I was like, oh, cool, coconuts. It really felt like, yeah, like the fish out of water type storyline there. I don't know. It felt like he was like the Mike White. It was like, right. Yeah. OK. that's OK.

It's fine. Oh, I almost almost tried to almost pick Sebas if it came to it, you know, I could never see him playing another season of Survivor, but he's been on this challenge before. I was like, if I have to again before. And so I was like, what's the what's the status on his relationship with the Tory? I don't know, but we like updates, don't we? Seabass would be interested in doing Australian Survivor. See, I have.

What is he getting of a call up for Australian Survivor? No, he's not. But I he I basically he told me that he he wanted to see. Are you? I was like, I didn't think it was a bad. No, I haven't. I was Seabass. I haven't met Seabass. How was this?

This is a this is a page from podcast that you said we might release in two years. Seabass DM'd me and said that he- Ooh! Should I be afraid? What? Slotted in those DMs, Seabass! Get away from her. Get a job.

It was possibly the most random message I've ever received. Is this something people should be doing if they want to get on Australian Survivor? No. No, they shouldn't. Like, I think people think maybe I'm like, I can't help you. I can. I can. I don't. I don't have. I don't have anyone. You're saying you can't like slide in some like

just like, oh, I just happen to be talking about this player. That's so good. Creators of Australian Survivor. I don't think that they care. I think that you'd be better off sliding into a card's DMs. Yeah. Okay. Chris Noble would be inspired also.

That'd be fun, but no world. But I would love it. I feel like Chris Noble's been frozen in time. Listen, here's the thing. Like, I think we're picking people that make sense, which is going to make up like 60% of the cast. There's going to be 40% of the cast that makes no sense that we never predicted. You know, you know, OK, Taryn.

Well, for that, who would you pick that doesn't make sense? I don't know. I can't think of it because I don't know who doesn't make sense. I can think of someone. OK, my Jaliski pick or Hunter. I think if you want a more palatable, potentially like Jonathan type, I think you might go with Hunter. Yeah. You're like, okay, I guess. Yeah, like, okay. Yeah, fine. Yeah.

Tevin. I could see Tevin. Yeah. I would be surprised. I feel like for what a big personality Tevin is, like, it was a reduced story. But like, maybe they feel like the story is not there. Is it too cute to drive Wendell Holland? Yeah, I mean, is he going to be on house of or know that what was he on the goat? He was on the goat and he's going to go. He he hasn't done the challenge, I don't think.

So that's still there. And if there's any like abbreviated survivor season in Australia, I don't know if Wendell wouldn't go. Mm hmm. What about like the bile? I'm just looking at the Wikipedia list. there's any like abbreviated survivor season in Australia. I don't know if Wendell wouldn't go. Mm-hmm. What about like Sabile? I'm just looking at the Wikipedia list now. I would love Sabile. They love Sabile. They did love Sabile.

I would love it, I don't think they would though. Okay, I think that's my whole list. I had Lindsay Delaschowitz on here just cause I'm a big fan. Yeah. And Noel, I think was the only other person I had from the new era that we haven't talked about. No, it was a good pick too. Yeah.

Okay. Let's talk about, okay, here are our draft teams for survivor 50 also three points for a survivor 50 appearance, two points for Australia versus the world. And one point for any other television show that is scripted or unscripted other than interview. I'll say one more. I just Wikipedia list. I don't know if it will happen, but I think in terms of the people who could have come back and maybe if there were more returning seasons into the early forties would have, I feel like we really missed out on Sydney from Coral. Yeah, I don't think she's ever coming back.

I think that she's into like competitive bodybuilding. I don't think that she would, she was not at the time, but I feel like- She's a miss that we haven't got her back. I think that they've called her and I don't think she has said yes. Okay. I just realized that by picking Asia,

she can now no longer trust me for advice on whether she should go back for 50 or any of us. If she calls me. Oh, yeah, I guess any of us actually. Yeah, you're right. And we're all biased now. We all have our own incentives. Am I petty enough with Asia's like, should I go back? I'm like, do I want Karen to get those three points?

I'm not paying enough. If Australia comes to me, this draft doesn't count towards the winning of the season drafts. I'm fine with turn winning it 100 percent. I'm not. And you're winning it. I brought up with the draft before Asia's experience on the show. All right. I don't know. I'm kind of rooting for Shannon to get this one,

because if she gets this one, it doesn't count. Yeah, it's something. Give her something. Come on. Yeah, she deserves this. I'm OK with it. You're wrong. Come on. Yeah, she deserves this. I'm okay with it. I spotted you, Rob. Come on. That's how, look.

I said give her something. Yeah, we're rooting for Rob to get off. So she can win the draw. Even when we compliment you, you think there's like a double-edged sword to it. Like we're being shady. Right, I never say anything mean about Shannon. I always say nice things,

and she tells me, stop, stop saying that. Stop being nice to me. That is true. That actually happens multiple times because it puts me off okay what's the ulterior motive let's uh look at our teams tarant has christian asia jam jam damabate ricard and desi rob has q angelina shan siree jonathan and kelly Q Angelina Shan, Suri, Jonathan and Kelly. Now Bandian. Who has Caleb, Jesse, Evie, Franny, Jake and Venus.

Chappelle has Michelle Fitzgerald, Mary Ann, Owen, Davy, Maria and Michaela Michaela. And then Shannon has Rick Devins, Carolyn, Omer, Dee Parvati and your boy. Who? Who? Don't do it to him. He's right here. How about this, though? How about this? I think that the audience has to root for me to win because I have Asia on my team.

I agree, bro. I'm rooting for you to win. I'm rooting for you to win. Andy went undrafted. No! Oh, I'm sad about it. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm under good authority that they're only picking one from 47 and that's going to be Asia.

Sorry, baby Andy. Not if she comes to all of us and I said that we should do it and we're all like, I don't think you should. Here's a fun idea to throw out there. Because there's six people, there's a lot of TV in the world, right? If only one of us gets zero points goose egg, should they do a punishment? No, I actually think it's easier, it's harder to get the zero points goose egg, should they do a punishment? No, I actually think it's easier, it's harder to get the zero points. I think that you should get rewarded

if you manage to get none of this because I think these were all really good picks. And I think that something weird has happened for none of these people to end up on your TV at any capacity in the next two years. It's in any capacity y'all, we said even scripted television. I mean, what decides this is is what like what's the more entertaining

thing we can think of a punishment or a punishment? It's never that entertaining to me. I think that's why I kind of like reward be. What are we rewarding? You know, you somehow like shot the moon and didn't pick anybody. They're kind of only maybe you may. I don't know. Maybe maybe you're exempt from the you're exempt from the grenade clause for 40

for 40, 50. No more messing with the grenade. The grenade is the heart of the drive and always trying to change up the. You never even got it. How you know? Exactly. So it's not really. Oh, well, maybe we'll be protected from the grenade. The grenade is why we perform poorly. You play to avoid the grenade and you don't play the room

as the foremost grenade isiest person on the podcast, I can say. You know, I look, I do. This is what I do, Shannon. I'm sorry. You just, you have to sit this one out. Let the grenade and the winners talk about it. The grenade.

Okay, you have your grenade. We have a lot of time to think about what the reward or the punishment. I want the exemption from the grenade on 50 Rob. I need that. Cause you know, I'm gonna get it. No, no exemption from the grenade. Chappelle, you're not getting it because you chose Michelle Fitzgerald

who is going to be on the challenge. You will get at least one point. That's what I'm saying. If for some reason I don't get at least one point from Michelle, something needs to happen. I need to get it. Somebody needs to do something for me. Damn it. Cause that means I can't win for losing. All right. Well, we will continue this discussion as we figure out what other punishments let us know in the patron group, because this is a patron podcast. And so to

the people in the future who are listening to this, you know the answers. So be sure in the future that look, if Christian you, Bickey can build a time machine and go bully himself in the past, you can bully. I mean, I don't want to say bully, but you know, you can, you can razz whoever lost the draft in, in the present roast me. I'm okay with it. Do it. Right. Is that fair?

Can we agree to that? Yeah. What if we all bet your draft win record for an exemption? So I don't like that'd be great for me, but like Bishop hell is an example. What is this the mole? Yeah. So you're betting that you'll definitely get someone. Then you could bet.

The I don't know, like the grenade. But if you lose, then you can no longer say, well, Shannon's the only loser, because now you know that is wrong. This is like Russell Hance trying to buy the title. So survivor, you want to be you want to be Russell so bad. OK, Sam is telling me that we need to wrap this up. Okay. So we'll have to leave it there.

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