RHAP: We Know Survivor - Who’s the Greatest Survivor Pro Athlete?

Episode Date: February 7, 2026

Who’s the Greatest Survivor Pro Athlete? Today, Rob Cesternino is joined by Chicago sports writer Sam Phalen for a Sports-Themed Survivor podcast, diving deep into player resumes as they debate which Survivor contestant is the greatest professional athlete to appear on the show. Super Bowl weekend sets the stage, with major league sports accomplishments and Survivor performance both in the spotlight. Right from the start, Rob and Sam highlight the crossover between real-world athletic achievements and Survivor gameplay, with Jeff Kent’s Baseball Hall of Fame induction sparking much of the conversation. The podcast breaks down an impressive list of 18 Survivor alums, from NFL tackles and Olympic swimmers to race car drivers and MMA fighters. Sam and Rob explore each player’s athletic career—like Brad Culpepper’s nine-sack season with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers or Elizabeth Beisel’s two Olympic medals—as well as their Survivor strategies, alliances, and challenge performances. Along the way, they debate if longevity in professional sports outweighs a season-defining idol play, and whether athletic skills always translate to success on the island. Highlights: – Jeff Kent’s resume as MLB’s top offensive second baseman and recent Hall of Fame nod – Brad Culpepper’s dual-threat status: a decade-long NFL tackle and physical Survivor challenge beast – Uncle Cliffy (Cliff Robinson)’s legendary 18-year NBA career and swap-screwed Survivor fate – Elizabeth Beisel’s story as a two-time Olympic medalist and impact on Survivor 39’s early power dynamics – Funny moments like John Rocker cosplaying as another MLB closer and the myth of Julia Landauer’s “vanilla” edit From big tackles to hidden idols, this episode asks whether physical and social skills really work together on Survivor. Who will take the crown for best professional athlete—does longevity, challenge wins, or a Survivor first matter most? Chapters: 0:00 Intros 06:41 NFL Players Battle for Top Spot 13:13 Julia Landauer’s Racing Career Examined 20:12 Gary Hogeboom—Quarterback vs Safety 29:28 Steve Wright’s Long NFL Career 36:36 Jimmy Johnson’s Survivor Removal Decision 47:23 Crystal Cox’s Olympic Doping Scandal 55:04 Brad Culpepper Dominates NFL Survivor Rankings 1:02:02 Tyler Frederickson’s Kicking And NFL Trials 1:12:01 Multiple NFL Survivors Compared 1:17:12 John Rocker’s Baseball Controversies Discussed 1:29:32 Uncle Cliffy’s NBA Survivor Legacy 1:43:32 Tom Laidlaw’s NHL Survivor Placement 2:01:52 Elizabeth Beisel’s Olympic Medals Ranked 2:11:48 Jeff Kent’s Hall of Fame nod Never miss a minute of RHAP’s extensive Survivor coverage! LISTEN: Subscribe to the Survivor podcast feed WATCH:  Watch and subscribe to the podcast on YouTube SUPPORT:  Become a RHAP Patron for bonus content, access to Facebook and Discord groups plus more great perks!

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themed episode where we are going to be talking about trying to crown who is survivors greatest professional athlete and we are looking at their resumes outside of survivor not in the game and here with us a what better guest could we have to talk about all of this of course that he is all things, White Sox and more over at Roundtable Sports. Here he is. It's Sam Phelan. Sam, how are you? I am fantastic.

I'm so excited. What better time than Super Bowl Week for us to be doing this, Rob. One of my favorite niche survivor categories here is the long history of professional athletes in their face. Well, this was a great week to do it also because one of Survivors, former professional athletes, Jeff Kent was also announced that he's going into the pro baseball Hall of Fame. So this was really the perfect week to do this. And I will say you might have seen this on my Twitter account, outraged to Jeff Kent

wearing a Giants hat in the Hall of Fame instead of his Calabal buff, which I just think is not right. Terrible. Yeah. So very excited. We're going to go through the list. I think we have a perfect survivor number of 18 for our. cast of characters here today, 18 survivor professional athletes.

Are there any honorable mentions, any snubs that did not make the top 18? I didn't include MMA professional, or I did include one MMA. I do not have W.W.E on our list, which I, you know, I do not consider it to be professional sports. So this is professional entertainment. Okay. I think Frosty, hey, he was listed as an athlete, I think, on his job lower third. Right. Snub. I'm not sure I'd be able to find what exactly Frosty did.

Park war. That's what we know. Sure. And see, we're all about quantifiable, you know, sports accomplishments here. So Frosty did not make the cut. But we have 18 very fun. It's an eclectic group. It's a weird group of people to see their names listed next to one another.

And Rob, I will say this. I don't know exactly what goes into your criteria. here. I have done a little bit of preliminary research of my own. And I think I want to weigh these people as sort of a hybrid of survivor player plus professional athlete. And like, and like, if can we find some sort of common ground on like, hey, is there somebody who was not a great athlete, but was a great survivor player that's like picking them up? Is there somebody who maybe was really bad at survivor? But, you know, that that career's doing a lot of heavy lifting. Okay. So maybe we can look at Survivor as one data point because I think there's going to be people who are sort of

maybe washed as the kids say when they show up on Survivor. And so that that's not really necessarily fair. And so, but maybe like when they actually like, oh, they actually did a bunch of things on Survivor that I think only enhanced. Like you got to see like them, this was them out of their sport and they still dominated. Hey, Sam, if this is a hit, I feel like that maybe we come back next and do the greatest athletes from the traders. Wow. Wow. Ryan Locti looking really good already.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Where are Tara and Johnny? Probably right behind Ryan Lockty. Colton Underwood, towards the bottom. I'll play that right now. Towards the bottom.

Right. Okay. So we will get a kick out every time he calls himself an NFL player, but, you know. Yeah. He did go to training camp, I think, with the team, yes.

And he told the story that there was like some like veteran famous football player that like just speared him and like ended his career. Okay. That's like I don't have a top of mind. That's why Colton Underwood didn't make it on. Like Khalil Mack or something. Somebody like that was like some like real like notable defensive superstar just like broke him. I think you could make a case for Mama Kelsey to be like really high up on the athletes on

Traders thing just because she is like half of two Hall of Famers. So, Donna Kelsey is a impressive specimen in person that we, she was in my car to go on the first night of the traders. And like her hands, you know, nobody is mistaking me for, you know, going into the NFL. But I, I, her hands were twice the size of mine. Like Donna Kelsey, I think could possibly. I'm a basketball like nothing.

Yeah, that, that is, uh, expect. I mean, it's not just two NFL sons. It's, a tight end and center and, uh, pretty pretty bad dudes. Yes. And I'm bad in a good way. Uh, good guys. For sure. For sure.

Yeah. Yeah. You're not, uh, taking any. I want to be. You're not, you're not Savannah over here. No, I'm not. No. The opposite.

The opposite. All right. So we've had 18 names that Sam has put together. and our own Sam Moore is behind the scenes and is going to be feeding them to us one by one. Sam, later on Sunday, of course, Super Bowl 60, who you got? This is a hot take.

I like the Patriots in this game. I like, there's a lot of talk about, hey, Seattle is the better team. Well, it is the darkest timeline, so sure. Well, my question to people that think the Seahawks are the better team is, why? I mean, this Patriots team, you can point to the strength of schedule and all that stuff. And yes, that's valid.

They've had a pretty easy path to get there. But in terms of beating up Justin Herbert in the playoffs and then making C.J. Stroud look like a first grader. I mean, that's all on that Mike Vrabble defense. And Mike Vrabel is my guy. That is a, you know, covered him a while in Tennessee, good friend of mine. Love Mike Vrabble. Wow.

For Mike Vrable. And I think, I think Mike Vrable, this is a perfect Mike Vrable game somehow in the Super Bowl. where their setup as an underdog. I think they have maybe the better quarterback and the defense that is going to keep this game tight. I like the pass. Okay. All right.

What are you going to do for the game? I probably just have some friends over here. I'm not a big, I don't do big stuff for the Super Bowl because I am one of the weird people that just wants to watch the game. So in terms of like the big parties and stuff, I usually avoid them and find a spot where I can pay attention.

Okay. All right. Well, let's start to pay attention. to this list. Has Sam Moore kicked out the first name? Okay, oh, first up on the list from Survivor 41, former Dallas Cowboys, Danny McCray up first. And former Chicago Bear Danny McCray. Sure. All of the year was you on the Bears? 2014. It was not a great year for the Bears in 2014. There was the Mark Tressman era. But, yeah, Danny McCray gets bonus points for me. Him and, you know, spoiler alert, Alan Ball, who we'll talk about later, both played for the Bears at one point.

So they both have a special place in my heart. Danny McCray. Both be secondary, right? Well, yeah, McCray was, yeah, safety, kind of like a strong safety. But yeah, I think McCray also has a special place in my heart, Danny, for two reasons, Rob. One of them is a very fun fact. It's one of the only survivor players that I had correspondence with prior to playing Survivor, because I was like big Danny McCray fan, watched him,

watched him on the Challenge USA where he won his first season, and messaged him just being like, dude, you're saving the challenge, really liking the energy that you're bringing to the show. And he, you know, followed me on Twitter to follow my NFL reports and stuff before I was even a survivor player. So big ups to Danny McCray. And I love the fact that we have a new era, and there's one other one on this list,

but a new era professional athlete definitely goes against the grand. of what casting is like nowadays. So love Danny McCrae. Was Danny McCray in the original cast of Survivor 41? Do we have to text Zach Wartonberger? Yeah, I would have to text Zach. That's an interesting one because you know there was a lot of like weird holdover from that late 30s casting.

Then they transitioned to like the, I think the Jesse Tannenbaum era began with season 41. And I think he actually started before that. But they did have a whole cast of people that was going to go to the original Survivor 41 that ultimately they, got put on ice. That whole, I mean, and we'll talk, we'll talk 39, yeah, 39, I guess later on. That whole casting thing was a fiasco too with a bunch of names. A lot of it was a fiasco. With a lot of names. They set the tone with the casting. Okay. So tell me about the professional

career of Danny McCrae, because I have to, I know he played football, but I don't know a lot about him as a professional athlete. Yeah, Danny McCray. So he began his NFL career in 2010. he went to LSU and was an undrafted free agent out of LSU by the Dallas Cowboys. I will say he won a national championship with the LSU Tigers in 2007 and was a pretty key part of that defense in his final three years there, played all four years of college. Went to the Cowboys in 2010, played six years in the NFL, four with the Cowboys, one with the Bears, and then back to the Cowboys for the final year of his career. was mostly a defensive reserve.

He was like a special teams guy played in almost every game every year, didn't get a ton of defensive snaps besides the 2012 season in which he started 10 games for Dallas, had an interception that season, and that was a Jason Garrett-led Cowboys team. Okay. All right. So it's a respectable NFL career. Six years in the NFL is a good, nice,

long career, but only one year as like a real defensive contributor. What about in college football at LSU? Was he a standout? Yeah. I mean, he was certainly a, he was a starter for this LSU defense that won a national title in 2007, but he also was not like a superstar, you know, hence the undrafted status coming out. But yes, 2007 national champion played in 52 games.

He actually played in 13 games as a true freshman back. in 2006 and then had three sacks and two interceptions with a career high in tackles for that 2007 national championship team. Okay, so I know you wanted to loop in the survivor accomplishments. Now, certainly in the premurge, he is part of a tribe that doesn't go to any tribal councils. They're even trying to throw a challenge and they can't even do that. I don't remember him being an individual competition standout. Does he have maybe an immunity win? I think he does.

I would honestly have to check that real quick. But maybe the more impressive in his reality TV career is his work on the challenge. Absolutely. And I think he really proved himself in the chance. He did, by the way, win one individual immunity at the final seven of Survivor 41. goes home at the next tribal council. And I think Danny showed a lot of chops on his survivor season as a very capable player.

While he was not tested at early tribal councils, showed, seemed to be in control of his tribe early on. Maintained that control, took over an alliance. Straight shooter. Shan in, yeah, everybody loves Danny McCray for sticking it to Jeff after the hourglass. He said, this isn't a twist. This is a lie famously.

Which it was, in fact, just a pretty deliberate lie on productions part. And then, you know, he is part of the reason why Shan Smith is voted out in a pretty iconic final eight boot, I believe it is, in that season. Goes home at the final six, really because maybe he mismanaged the timing of that Shan boot. and he immediately kind of gets knocked into a minority alliance, him and Deshawn, and he goes out at the final six. But I do think had real equity with the jury had he been able to squeak out a few immunity wins and get there. And I think he proved his chops on the Challenge USA, where he was both a social force,

a strategic force, and then clutched up with some big challenge wins, including the final, where he beat Tyson and a handful of other very very. capable. And by the way, did very well on his second season of the challenge. A contested challenge USA finale. The second one? The first one. Well, the first one, but I think Danny's the only reason why it's not, like, Danny's the one person who I think it was like kind of fair. Sarah Lascena win is redacted, you know, big asterisk on my part. That was like, you know. Okay, so Danny McCray, number one on the board, and let's see how the rest of the list shapes out around him. Love it.

Love it. Okay. All right. Number two, Sam Moore has given us a person from the world of auto racing. Don't call her vanilla. It's Julia Landauer. Well, I mean, we probably have to call her pretty vanilla, unfortunately, based on what, you know, very unmemorable survivor player.

I'll say that much right now. I was actually, did not recall for the longest time that she was an auto racer. And I'll be honest, Rob, the resume for auto racing is underwhelming in its own right. Julia Landauer, auto racing as a whole is a very pay-to-play type of sport. It's very, like, people that do it get involved at a very, very young age. Julia is no exception to that. People that get involved in it. The funding must be there coming from somewhere

if you are going to be wrecking and racing these million dollar boxes around. So I don't know much about auto racing and I don't know much about Julia Landauer's career. Was she somebody who ever reached the upper echelon of race car driving? So she has recently, very briefly, and it depends what you consider the upper echelon.

I mean, one thing about racing is that there is NASCAR, as Americans are very familiar with. And there is the upper level of NASCAR, sort of the second tier minor leagues of NASCAR, which is either what they call the Xfinity series or the truck series, which is truck racing. And those are the three real big ones that are hitting the super speedways and are on television. Yes. There's also like 18 different division. all the way down of different types of racing. So most of Julia's racing career is in that.

She was a go-kart racer. She was racing in the formula, BMWA, USA, whatever all this stuff is. And in terms of her upper-level stuff, she did appear in nine races in the NASCAR Canada series and was in the NASCAR O'Reilly Auto Parts series. Oh, O'Reilly. auto parts. Yeah. Got it's going to get.

And she, she did a couple of races in that auto parts series. So basically that that second tier of NASCAR, she has made occasional appearances in as sort of a fill-in, but has never been a full-time driver in that series. Let me ask you, is auto racing co-ed? It is. It is.

Look at that. Look at it. There's not a lot of sports where it's just like, we should look to auto racing here. It's like a UFC. There's no like co-ed UFC. No, yeah. WNBA, LPGA.

I mean, Danica Patrick is like the most famous female driver, mainly because Danica Patrick is one of the only female drivers to appear at the highest level of NASCAR, of NASCAR Cup series, which is the very top. But there are a few that have popped up in, you know,

the truck series, the Xfinity series and stuff, and Julia has made a few appearances in those lower levels. That's not vanilla. That is certainly not. You know, I struggle with NASCAR because NASCAR, I know you said you don't know much about it, Rob. NASCAR is so much about the ride more than it is about the driver so often.

And that's what I struggle with a lot of, you know, the people who are the best are always the best. And it's usually because they have the best car with the most money and the best sponsors. And so how much is the achievement or possibly what's holding her back just being on a not on a better ride? Should we go fund me to get Julia Landauer

the best car money can buy? Sure. Maybe if there was another world where survivor Karamohen went a little bit different for Julia. Yes, she won the million dollars instead of Cochran that maybe she could have the best car. Now, is she retired from the auto racing? The most recent thing I could find was from 2022, and that's when she appeared in the O'Reilly series. And that was kind of the most recent log when she was in the Xfinity series at New Hampshire Motor Speedway in October of 2022.

So I don't know if it's an official retirement. How many championships does she have? Certainly zero at the... Did she ever win a race? Not at the upper levels. She is so again, she has two races in this Xfinity series, which her best finish was 66th, unfortunately. 66. Her best finish.

Out of how many? I don't, I don't know. I would imagine it's close to 66 because I've never heard of a race with that many. Yeah. I feel like me or you could show up and get 66th. Well, I think that's kind of the idea. Probably not me, but maybe you. this is the very uh this is in the weeds of what auto racing is like but there's a plenty of cars that

actually don't finish the race and are not designed to finish the race because they don't have so maybe she had like a crash or something yeah or it was like you could be running the race and be on a non-sponsored car and you just kind of have to like go to the back and be a lap car but you're just like running laps to gain some money or whatever and and you know up your funding. So she does have a championship of what they call the motor mile speedway limited late mile back in 2015. All right. That's pretty good. Yeah, I don't, I don't know what this is, but hey, she's got it. She's listed as a current. If she has a ring, but Danny McCray has a challenge championship. So, hmm, I would, I would, again, I would put her below Danny McCray for the

sense that I think it is significantly harder to make the NFL and spend six seasons in the NFL than it would be to finish 66 in a race. Is her family into the art racing? We just have no idea. I believe so. That's typically how it goes. I mean, at the age of 10, it says that she was racing go-carts. And that was kind of like what got her started in it.

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Let's talk about the third name that Sam has kicked out. And it is Gary Hawkins, aka. Gary Hoga Boom from Survivor Guatemala. Gary Hogueboom, Gary Hawkins, NFL, NFL QB. And I'm going to start this off, Rob, by saying Gary's going to get bonus points from me. Why? For two things, for being a quarterback and for being the first person to find a hidden immunity idol on Survivor.

I think those two things give Gary a little bit of a boost in my eyes. So this is always a fun question. Can you give me the current NFL comp for Gary Hogueboom? Because I think it's hard for people who, like, didn't watch him in his career. And then he shows up on Survivor. What would this be like if 10 years from now this quarterback was just on Survivor? Anyway, it was probably like 20 years after he played Survivor. 15 to 20 years.

Davis Mills. Oh, Davis Mills. I feel like, can I tell you something that's inappropriate? Sure. My son calls him Davis longneck Mills.

Oh, no, he does not. That's like Dominic. That's body shaming. Don't be doing that. He's like, oh, I think I think longneck Mills is coming into the game. We lost Mike Glennon and somebody had to replace him as being,

the signature neck in the NFL. And Davis Mills took up that mantle pretty, pretty well. Not today, neck. So Gary Hoggabum, I don't know if he's got as noticeable of a neck, but he does have a very similar career to Davis Mills. He came into the NFL. I wouldn't mind if the Jets traded for Davis Mills. It would be fine.

I think a lot of people in the playoff game a couple of weeks ago, like, hey, why don't we check out what Davis Mills has? Why don't we give long neck a shot? I think you can do better than Davis Mills, but, you know, Davis Mills has done well for himself to stick in the league. And I will say the same thing about Gary, who played nine NFL seasons. He was drafted in the fifth round of the 1980 NFL draft. He went to Central Michigan. So he was a small school guy.

Famously went to Central Michigan. Yep, there you go. Big plot point. fifth round pick in 1980 by the Dallas Cowboys. And I will say, hey, I was not around for 1970s college football to know exactly what it looked like. And say what you want about the Dallas Cowboys, but there's no better team in the NFL at finding Survivor players. No, I do think they lead the league in all-time Survivor alumni.

That much is sure. I went back and I looked at Central Michigan, Gary Hoggabom. He threw 3,000 yards and 19 touchdowns, 19 interceptions. Over four years. Over four. His best year, he threw nine touchdowns for Central Michigan. I don't know how he got drafted, but the Cowboys did draft him. And then wasn't the story that Danny Boutright visited like the Central Michigan University

Hall of Fame and saw, like, is that, is that sounding a little odd? it certainly is what a poll by Danny Boatwright knows ball but she knows I mean I got to I don't know that that would be the real question Rob if you went on Survivor 15 20 years ago Did she report on Central Michigan University for roundtable

sports? She did not but hey Danny Dany Boatwright could because I do think she has that ball knower credential. Rob if you went on Survivor 15 years from now and you saw Davis Mills would you recognize No. I mean, I don't think I would recognize a player from the Jets. Yeah, that's, but a quarterback.

It's a quarterback. I don't know. Like, so, yeah, he played nine years. Four years in Dallas. If Zach Wilson showed up 15 years from now, I try. I mean, unfortunately that that, you know, that actually might be a decent He's got a very memorable face. Yeah.

Well, that might, that might be a decent comparison to is just somebody who's like, he's a backup for a while. Gary was a backup for four years, played in 13 games, but hardly ever through a pass for his first four seasons with the Cowboys. Then in 1984, he played in 16 games. He started 10 games for the Dallas Cowboys in 1984. The numbers are very bad. Seven touchdowns and 14 interceptions, but the Cowboys did go six in four. And in total in his career, he made 37 NFL starts.

with an 18 and 19 record. So thus the Davis-Mills comparisons for me is a guy who, hey, 49 touchdowns to 60 interceptions is not a very good career. But he was kind of one of those backups that you could, you could tread water with if he was having to step in and start a few games here and there. Okay. So Gary Hoga Boom comes back for Survivor Guatemala. And so as a quarterback, I mean, from positional need is, do we put him ahead of Danny McRae?

So I believe I had on my rankings, I did have Gary Hoguebume above Danny McRae in terms of athlete status and athletic career. My composite rankings had Danny with a very slight edge to Gary because I do think Dan. was a bit of a better player than Gary was on Survivor Guatemala. But I think this is close, and I'm okay with either way here. So did Gary win any individual immunity challenges? I cannot. He found the idol, we know. How was he in?

I want to say no, because he was on, there was some good challenge beasts on his season, I feel like. He actually did. Yeah, he did. the tribal council that Jamie goes home right after the merge I believe he wins individual immunity and then uses the idol at the next tribal council. But he's older too. Like what age does he show up on Survivor?

He's got to be in his late 40s, right? Survivor he is well let's see he was 67 now and do they have it listed here somewhere? So 67 now and that was on like 18 years ago. He's around 50 yeah. I mean, he's a 50-year-old guy winning an immunity challenge. But he wasn't washed. Here's the other thing that you could argue with Gary is, does he do better at Survivor

if the idol has its modern mechanic the first time it shows up? Because if I remember correctly, Rob, this is the idol. You have to play it before the votes are cast, right? In Survivor, Guatemala? I believe that that's the case. I could be, that could be completely wrong. And they couldn't, and they couldn't vote for him. Basically, yeah, that it's basically like giving yourself individual immunity,

but you can't really like surprise people and make a big move with the idol or, you know, dangle it and get yourself. Right. I don't think that Gary Hoagabooam was necessarily going to like invent advanced hidden media strategy. Yeah. Gary Hoagaboon wasn't going to do theatrics. at the idol. I don't think so. Probably not. Where do you want to go? I'll go with you here. Do you want to

go above or below? I mean, to me, I feel like that to start, I mean, he was drafted, right? He was drafted, which Danny was not in the fifth round. Fifth round draft pick. He a little bit longer of a career, you know, started how many games? 37 starts. I mean, I think he has more career starts than Danny McCray. Dan McCray won the challenge, but there was no challenge when Gary Hocoboom was a younger man. If we're going to put him kind of in the same bucket in terms of survivor status, I do think then Gary gets the edge with his NFL career and his quarterback status is also a bonus point. Okay. All right. So Gary Hoga Boom is the leader in the Clubhouse.

There we go. Then Danny McCray, then Julia Landauer. Wow, this is, this is. Bring it up the rear. She's not going to finish 66th place, though. I can, I can tell you she'll do better than that. Yes, guaranteed. All right.

Next up, sticking with the NFL, Survivor loves NFL players. Okay, we've got Steve Wright from Survivor Redemption Island, season 22. Steve Wright, Survivor Redemption Island, probably best known for, one, knocking out Russell Hans with the idea to throw an immunity challenge to finally slay Russell Hanson and get him voted out of American Survivor. I hate Steve Wright. And then he's Steve wrong if you ask me. Oh, is that your, that's your Hans impression? I feel like you're being way to, uh, I can make out what your legend. in that a little bit. Nowadays,

Steve, right. If Steve's right, I want to be wrong. You got to, the bottom, the bottom tier. I wonder how much of,

worst athlete. I like Julia Landauer better. I don't even like the Raiders. It's the Houston Oilers, baby. That's got to be in this. Yeah, what teams did Steve Wright play for?

He too was, in fact, the Dallas Cowlons. Oh my God. But there was a Los Angeles team also, right? Yeah. He was Dallas. He was Baltimore and Indianapolis. Most of his career was with the Raiders from 1987 to 1992.

That's really where he was at his best during his NFL career. So a long NFL career. Very long. He played 10 years and had two years where he was not in the, like did not make a team, but it was probably on a practice squad somewhere in 85 and 86. Did he go to a Pro Bowl? He did not go to any Pro Bowls. Did he play a playoff game?

I would imagine so I can. Yes, he did. He was, let's see, he played quite a few for the Cowboys, actually. Played in eight playoff games for, five for Dallas, three for the Raiders. Okay. In the 80s and 90s. In the 80s and 90s, okay. But he wasn't on the Cowboys teams that won a Super Bowl.

He was not the best Cowboys team he was on lost in the NFC championship game in 1983 to Washington. Okay. So he, but he was a tackle, which, you know, I know is less, you know, it's less popular than a quarterback, but certainly very valuable as a left tackle and a right tackle. And he did start 67 NFL games, spent two full seasons with. the Raiders in back-to-back years as their starting right tackle in 1990 and 1991. So this was a player that played in 10 seasons. 129 games played.

Who's blindside did he protect? Did he ever have Gary Hoga Boom's blindside? I doubt it. That would be that would be something, right? If these 1981 Cowboys... He went from protecting the blindside to giving or getting many blindsides. Dealing out blinds side. You know.

I don't know if he ever administered a blindside in Survivor. Maybe to Matt Elrod. I guess to, I mean, maybe to Russell, right? I mean, like,

no, but I think Russell knew it was coming. I think he was, he was very much, I saw it coming. Mike Pagell was his quarterback with Indianapolis. And then he was with Jay Schroeder with Raders. Okay.

So no, not familiar. with the work of Jay Schroeder. Neither am I, I will be honest. And if you're a big fan of approximate value, Schroeder I care about was on the peanuts. If you're a big fan of a piano, like, and it was beautiful. We also have not even gotten into, which we don't need to

because for, to avoid, you know, controversy or whatever. But Steve Wright also famously feuded with Philip Shepard in one of the all-time survivor blowups. Sure, sure. Sure. That's a different podcast. I do think so far, Steve Wright is our best pro athletes.

Wow. Okay. I think he might be worse than, I think he's worse than both, sorry, worse than both Danny and Gary in terms of survivor status. But I think if we are looking only at his athletic career, 10 years and 12 years in the league in total as a tackle is peak. The question is, how much are we weighing that compared to his lazy effort on redemption island?

Well, I also think that he might have been a little bit more washed when he shows up on Survivor. How old is he when he shows up on Redemption Island? Survivor, Steve Wright is give me just a moment to conduct. Because what? The Survivor Wiki gives you their current age? Right on there. He is 66 right now. He was 51 when he played for Redemption Island. Yeah. On Zappa Terra.

Yeah. Okay. So around the same age as Gary, a little bit older, but certainly did not have the athletic resume of either of the two guys to come before him on the show. So listen, you cover the NFL. You know more about the positional advantage. Okay. What's more valuable to me to have like a 10-year tackle in the league?

or a spot starter? I would take the starting offensive tackle over the backup quarterback for sure. Steve Wright, look at him. Hey, who would have thought we'd be here? Let me just update the tribe and I have spoken real quick and amend my Steve Wright talk. Okay, all right, let me just go. I'll jot that down for the second edition. Okay. All right. Who is next?

It's what we have. Okay. Our only non-athlet of the bunch coming up. What is this? Oops, all cowboys? I do think it is because, is Beesmode Cowboy next? We should have included Beast Mode Cowboy just for his tremendous. Beast Mode Cowboy in Big Brother 16 did attend Dallas Cowboys training camp on a reward.

They flew him and like two other people to go to. Dallas Cowboys training camp. Why so much Dallas Cowboys here? I guess it must be a huge market for CBS. And I will say for all of the Dallas Cowboys that we've had, we're dropping the ball. Like where's our Dallas Cowboys cheerleader on Survivor? That is that not, that's a perfect.

I think that might have been like a pre-survivor 40. That's a Survivor 25 cast and choice. Yeah. I think they might have like missed the ball on that one. Okay. So. Are we sure Angie, Angie, didn't have some sort of

Dallas Cowboys cheerleading background. She seems like she could have. Oh, Angie Layton. Yeah, that's the cookie girl, right? Yes, no, I don't think so. I don't think that that was in her background. But you know what? Let's check Big Brother, because there's probably

they had nine of them. Okay. Yeah. Jimmy Johnson is up next. Jimmy Johnson. How about them Cowboys? They're all on Survivor. Went is probably the second most

notorious coach on Survivor that went by coach to many of his teammates on Survivor. And I will say for Jimmy Johnson's Survivor career, which, you know, we don't have to go too in the weeds on, I think Jimmy Johnson gets a little bit screwed by the dynamic of his themed season on Survivor, Nicaragua. I would say that Jimmy Johnson got screwed by the nature of Survivor being a show in the jungle that you live in the jungle. Sure, sure.

He was not expecting that to be what it was. I don't, yeah, I don't know if he was super cut out for it. I will say, I think he kind of said, I'd like to leave now, please. There also seems to be a, I just, I wonder how much Jimmy Johnson maybe could have thrived with a different, the young people on his season certainly seemed to love him.

I think, you know, the kind of dealing with older people who were not really like starstruck, a few of them were, but most of the men, particularly on his tribe, were not really buying the whole little coach bit and we're not wanting to be, you know, told what to do. Didn't go over particularly well. And I wonder if he could have benefited from having some younger people that just like, sure. But I don't think that the tribe. makeup was the issue for Jimmy Johnson. I think he just did not want to leave and did not want to be on Survivor anymore.

I find it very endearing. So maybe I'm trying to give him a little bit of credit here. I mean, it was cool that he did it. And I don't know if you had ever heard this story, but I had met him at the Survivor Van Owatu finale. He was there. And they had like a whole big thing. And they invited a bunch of the alumni there.

And I had found Johnny Fairplay. He's like, look who I found. and it was Jimmy Johnson and he was saying like, yeah, I love this show. And Johnny Fairplay said, hey, do you remember Rob C? And Jimmy Johnson did not. Well, he clearly didn't love the show enough then. I was only on the show like a year ago.

Yeah, it wasn't that long ago. But he did remember Johnny Fairplay. I wonder if we're going to get a Jimmy Johnson boomerang idol coming up here on Survivor 50. I don't know if he has the... Jimmy Johnson Challenge flag where you can... throw a red flag at tribal council and give people a chance to change their mind with their votes. You can you can redo one thing.

That would be a fun little twist. Yes. What would he redo going to the dolphins? His first year where he went one in 15 in the NFL could be either. Yeah. Jimmy Johnson was 67 when he competed on Survivor. Yeah. And still out there somehow.

Do I have this right that Fox NFL Sunday still has Terry and and Howie and also Jimmy? Yep, you have that dead on. What have they been going for like 30 years on Fox NFL? I mean, they brought Gronk on there who like brings the energy of a six year old. So that certainly brings down the average age. Yeah, quite a bit. But Jimmy Johnson started as a head coach in the NFL in 1989 with,

of course, the Dallas Cowboys, one in 15 his first year. It did not go well. In the modern NFL, maybe he gets fired as like a one and done, especially he went seven and nine his second season. And he slowly got better from there, 11 and 5 and won a playoff game in his third season.

Then goes two straight years winning the Super Bowl with the 1992 and 1993 Cowboys, 13 and 12 wins. And then he gets, replaced with Barry Switzer, right? Yeah, replaced after back-to-back Super Bowl wins, which is certainly a Jerry Jones decision there. Goes to Miami three years later in 1996,

and they are fine. He had a record of 36 and 28 with the Dolphins. They never had a boat that was called three rings because he was named the boat after his future ring with the Miami Dolphins. And what did he do with that boat? after he retired from coaching without that third ring. Not sure.

Not sure who owns Jim Johnson's boat three rings. So she did win a playoff game two different years with, with the Dolphins. Okay. And that might be one of the last playoff games. The Dolphins have won also. 1999, actually, I think it actually very well could be with Dan Marino at quarterback.

I want to say they won one in like the early 2000s. I think they're like something like 20 years without a playoff win. I just know it's been hard on, on the dolphins fans everywhere. And, um, yes, you're right behind him. Okay.

So we have few things to take pleasure in. You're lucky to have the dolphins around Rob as you're, as the, as a Jets fan because I feel like once the, once the dolphins figure it out and get a couple of playoff wins, then the torch passes back to you. Yeah. As the Jets.

Okay. So for Jimmy Johnson, this is tough because he doesn't have a playing career much to speak of. if at all. Yeah. Yeah, no, I could not find anything really on his playing career. But even as a collegiate coach, right, didn't he win some national championships with Miami? I would have to look. He was an assistant coach with Louisiana Tech, Wichita State, Iowa State, defensive line with Oklahoma, defensive coordinator for Arkansas. And then, yeah, head coach in the 80s with Miami. And I do believe they won some national titles.

Did he coached the Rock? He was a, so he's in both the profile. Football Hall of Fame and the college football Hall of Fame. He is a national champion, 1987, was the AP NFL coach of the year in 1990. He's in the Dallas Cowboys Ring of Honor two-time Super Bowl champ. He also won the Big Eight coach of the year back when the Big Eight was a thing in the 70s. Yes. Jimmy Johnson did not coach Dwayne the Rock Johnson. We just missed.

When did, I don't even know how old the Rock is. Like, when did he play at Miami? I think he's in his 50s. But I believe, yes, he departed for the Dallas Cowboys just before Dwayne Johnson began his collegiate career. That was some lore that I feel like we desperately needed to be true. Is Jimmy Johnson coaching the rock? There's got to be somebody crazy to be coached. Now, while Jimmy Johnson does not have an impressive survivor resume, does not have an impressive playing career,

I almost feel like it's hard to put him even on this list because he is in the ring of honor, he has championships. I don't know what to do with him and I didn't know what to do with him in my personal rankings because I don't want to take away from the difficulty

that is athletic achievement of some of these other athletes on the list. I almost feel like we should take him off the list. I think he should be an honorable mention. We should just put him at the bottom and give Julia Landauer like some, hey, you're not, bump up her average place.

But I think it's a list of pro athletes. And like if this was the general manager, like if David Samson, I just watched a whole documentary about David Samson on the list. He's not. You're right. And I should have thought of David Samson to put him on the list. So we can take Jimmy Johnson off. I think we take Jimmy Johnson off.

I know that maybe there's some other person that we find to round it back out to 18. But it was it was notable to talk about Jimmy Johnson. But I think that we should, you know, move i i think i don't think we could place him because his accomplishments would be number one but he should not be the greatest professional athlete ever on survivor i agree i agree we can we can remove jimmy johnson from the list um okay send him back to the booth before we move on to our next one i just want to say i love david samson i love david samson so much yes um and i just watched a whole documentary.

Yes. On Netflix. Who killed the Montreal Expos? You killed the Montreal Expos. I watched it on a plane. He's so good. I totally get why. He was perfect survivor casting and he is a great podcaster and he's somebody and I try to always

give this compliment to people when it's appropriate. But he is somebody who has takes and is not afraid to say something that might be controversial. And he has that. in spades. And so he is always an interesting listen. Let me give David Samson a just one little good PR pump because he doesn't get a ton of it, I will say. And so when I was in college studying for my sports media degree, I had an assignment, I believe my sophomore year of college. I was taking a night class and my professor said that we needed to do a like a long meeting and try to just gain a mentor of some kind of somebody who is where you want to be.

That was kind of the idea of this, is find somebody in the world that has had a career that, you know, mocks what you would like to do. And I was really into David Samson's podcast at the time, which is a fantastic listen for sports fans. And I was like, hey, this guy played Survivor. He's a well-known sports podcaster. He was like the GM managing a professional baseball team, which is like, hello, dream come true. So I just picked David Sampson and I reached out to him. And normally I would just

expect a guy like David Sampson to go on his way. He actually like took time to meet with me and like answer questions for me three different times and spent hours on, on, you know, video calls with me talking to me when I was 19 years old. So David Sampson, love you for that. Yeah. Look at look at, look at him, you know, being being selfless with this time. Yeah. All right. So, Let's go now to Crystal Cox, Olympian. Now, are you going to watch any Olympics coming up? You know, I am. Here's my issue with the Olympics that I will say.

Because I like the, I love the Olympics. I wonder, what's the issue you won't say with the Olympics? Here you go. I don't appreciate the fact that I don't know when things are. I feel like I watch the Olympics and I turn on the broadcast on NBC or whatever. And it's just kind of a bunch of slop most of the time. And it's like, but it's like these 90 second intervals of we're getting like the real race that I want to see is, you know, it's on for 90 seconds at a particular time. And you have to be watching right then to get something.

And it's not live. You know, they know when they're going to be going to things. And you don't know. Like, are they doing the thing now? What's happening? So I much more enjoy. I mean, like I remember watching just like the mic. Feltps Olympics and how it was like must see live.

You have to tune in for every Phelps race. But now I think I'd probably watch more YouTube highlights than I do actually watch the live Olympics themselves. Okay. Crystal Cox, she was a former Olympian, a former gold medalist. Former Olympic gold medalist is correct. She won in the relay. I believe it was the 4x400 relay for Crystal Cox at the pull it up real quick.

Yeah, the 2004 Athens Summer Olympics, four by 400 women's relay, but was later, of course, stripped of her gold medal after she admitted to doping during those Olympics. So she was on performance-enhancing drugs. So I don't really know the story. So then many years later, because then she did Survivor,

so she wins the gold medal in 2004, correct? Correct. And then Survivor Gabon is on television in what, 2008? Yeah, it would be, yeah, right around then. And then at some point in between, in between that? No, it's January of 2010. Yeah. The Associated Press and ESPN report that Cox admitted to

anabolic steroids from 2001 to 2004. Why'd she tell anybody? That was the weird thing to me is like, you know, we've seen this with baseball, with steroid people. And, you know, it's like, hey, some guys failed the test and got caught. I don't remember anybody just being like, you know, by the way, let me tell you. You remember my greatest life accomplishment?

I just got to say I feel a little bit bad. I took steroids. It says as a result, she forfeited all of her results from that time period and agreed to a four-year suspension that ended in January 2014. I'm not sure she was still racing by then anyway. In 2013, both the IAAF and the International Olympic Committee

announced that the American squad except for Crystal Cox would be allowed to retain their gold medals. What? They singled her out? They did not want to penalize her teammates. Who's making these rules, Randy? They did not want to penalize her teammates for her mistake,

but she still had to. Wait to throw Crystal Cox under the bus, relay racers. Look, I suppose she, you know, you've already made your money and you've already kind of, I'm not sure how much money there is. And being an Olympian,

it's one of the few very sad, I feel like. But I think she, yeah, like she's definitely below. There's another, there's one other Olympian on this list. She is definitely below the other Olympian because of one, the steroids, and of course the gold medal getting taken away. But then also it's a very short career. And you see this with Olympians sometimes where it's one Olympics or is it three Olympics, right?

And for Crystal Cox, it was just one. Okay. And then Crystal Cox also famously did not have a great challenge performance on Survivor. No, no. She was that, which is like, hey, maybe it's because she should have kept going with the anabolic steroids. I think she did not seem to have the right footwear for Survivor. For somebody who I think had, you think would as a runner, sprinter would bring like the right

footwear to Survivor, I think had really famously the wrong shoes. She made it further on the shoes, they used to say. It was something. She was shockingly bad at everything. And I'm not sure there has ever been somebody really cast for a particular role to completely flop that part of their role on the season. I will say that as we talk about Survivor athletes, that the sprinter, relay racer, maybe is a little bit of maybe Julia Landauer can weigh in on this is like the high performance sports car like needs to be well fueled well fed and you will get great performance but if you do not have gas in the tank that thing ain't going to work where then they're sort of like the guy that's like 30% body fat that's out on the farm like toiling in the sun and isn't necessarily.

necessarily counting calories and macros and any of that. That's the guy that's going to perform on Survivor. I 100% agree with that. And I also think even at full strength, I don't think an Olympic sprinter is really an athlete that is built to do very well on the survivor challenges. Like it's not a skill set. Being fast is not a skill set that I think is required of you very often.

Or also sort of like long and lean traditionally is like, you know, not a very like a thinner build that is like very elastic. I think that that's also a good body type for Survivor. But yeah, the like high performance like, you know, ripped athlete, that person shows up a lot of times and it doesn't go great. And it doesn't go great emotionally as well. Like you see a lot of people who are very like, they rely on a high caloric intake every day.

right and you get stripped down on survivor and all of a sudden they're not themselves and they're not as sharp as they was and i think it was um a a full series of errors for crystal cox on she makes it far but it's you know she certainly has two left feet her on her whole way okay all right so crystal cox better or worse than julia landauer certainly better as somebody who made the olympics right i mean i'm i'm not going to fully penalize her for uh for the steroids i i i i i i i think that might be where I leave her. Like how much do we want the steroids to be a factor here, Rob? Because Olympic gold medalist is...

Yeah, this is not the IOC. I'm not performance. Like, listen, we don't know what survivor players were on performance-enhancing drugs over the years. That is true. That is true. I can think of a few that are on this list, probably, that qualify. Okay.

So, all right. But less impressive than Danny McCray. She got to an Olympics. She got to an Olympics. Do you want her above or below Danny McCray? I think the Survivor game alone might have to knock her below Danny McCray. Okay. Yes.

Danny McCray, he still has his challenge championship. So we'll leave him ahead of Crystal Cox. I got the word from Sam Moore that we need to pick up the pace. Okay. Okay. Much like they were telling Crystal Cox and Gobone. Let's do it then. Let's get into the next one and we can whip it together.

Okay. And we got Brad Culpepper. Brad Cole Pepper one of my the only two times player on social media this week Sam that I saw Monica Culpepper is

back on Instagram I was delighted for season 50 her and Brad are ready to go yeah I wonder what what spawned this is it simply the coming out of the woodwork for season 50

I mean they're both two times survivor players and their kids are getting older famously so Brad Cole Pepper's son believe it I'm trying to remember which son it was

and I don't remember and I think one of their sons is Honor, is that right? That sounds right. That might be the daughter. I don't know. There's a kid named Honor. They had a son that was at Syracuse

playing football. One of them was also let me let me double check this to make sure I don't get my facts wrong here. I'm sorry, Rex, Judge, and Honor. I believe it's Rex. How old is Rex?

Sounds right. Rex. I know Rex was at Syracuse. How old? Okay. So if it is Rex, then Rex was actually, before he was at Syracuse, was at Penn State for just a little bit of time. Am I correct in saying that? Are you looking at Rex Culpepper online right now?

I don't have a like a Wikipedia for Rex Culpepper. Well, one of the Coalpepper sons that played football was at Penn State. for a period of time. Yes, that sounds right. Yes. And was roommates with Tennessee Titans quarterback Will Levis. Oh. And so Will Levis is a huge Survivor fan, was very locked in for season 47 of Survivor. I've enjoyed many conversations with him because of it. And I asked him what got him into the show.

And he said, well, we were watching Rex's parents when we lived together in Penn State. So yeah, there you go. Okay. All right. Brad Culpepper, I believe in the NFL, he was. was a defensive lineman. Yes. You ever see the pictures of Brad Culpepper playing in the NFL? I think I've seen him back in the day

because it was hard for me to wrap my mind around the fact that he was a, yeah, I'm looking at one right now. Oh, boy, he looks different. Yeah, I mean, he's playing in the NFL, what, like 200, the high 200s, right? Yeah, oh, it has to be. His listed weight is 275 on profile reference. Back, hey, Tampa Bay, Buccaneers,

defensive tackle. also a Chicago bear for one year, but really in the 90s with the bucks. That's Brad Culpeppers, bread and butter, started 80 games with Tampa. Had some very good seasons, including an eight and a half sack season,

a nine sacks season. Nine sacks is pretty good. Yeah, especially for a defensive tackle, right? Like, you're an interior defensive lineman with nine sacks. You're a forced to be reckoned with.

Yeah. He played on some of those really good bucks teams, right, in the 99, 2000, right? I think he just missed the really good bucks and like the the Grooting era. He was with Dungey before Gruden got there and took them to the Super Bowl. So he was on some playoff teams with the bucks, but not at the real, real peak. Only two-time player on this list. I have him as my cumulative number one.

Okay. There will be a big debate coming down later in the pipeline. But I think, you know, when you look at the fact that he plays, played for some very good teams when you look at the the longevity of his career as a as a decade in the NFL. And then as we mentioned, just nine sacks, eight and a half sacks is a defensive how many immunity challenge wins in Survivor game changes? Is he five? He is five. He is tied for the record in Survivor game changers. So in terms of just like he is known as a physical force on Survivor in his second season. And that career like I think I

would put him at the at the very top of the list okay all right brad call pepper is number one on the leaderboard so right now we have uh number six julia landauer number five crystal cox number four danny mccray number three gary hoagabum number two steve right and number one brad colpeper a lot of nflbent top four and we've got another one another one coming up who's now we have from survivor what is the name of the season world's apart world's apart yeah Tyler Fredericksson. Believe it or not. The white collar football player.

And I think Julia Landauer might get bumped out of the basement here by Tyler Frederickson. Oh, Tyler Fredrickson is not going to like this. Listen, Tyler Fredrickson did not play in a regular season NFL game. That's right. I think that by itself is a little bit tough. He signed a three-year deal with the Los Angeles Avengers of the Arena Football League in 2008. but his arena football league he was four for seven

what's his college kicking record college so college was his like claim to fame when he was on survivor because he made he played for Cal against he made a game winning field goal against number three USC and that was like that's pretty good but he was actually mostly and this is not going to help his case at all he was a punter in college mostly a punter. He went 54 for 54 on extra points, his senior year at Cal, but he was 15 of 30 kicking field

goals. He only missed 15 field goals in the year that he actually kicked. But isn't punting the more relevant survivor skill set? There's a lot of like, hey, should I like, it's fourth and long. Should I go for it? Like, no, I'm going to punt. We'll punt. I mean, you could say it's, you know, how often do you go for the touchdown versus just

take the points, right? And half the time, Tyler Frederick's just, you know what, let me just go with the majority here and then we'll come back and play defense. The poor Cal Golden Bears were, were trying to settle for three points. Yes. 15 times and he let them down. Did he have any notable college teammates? Oh, I'm possibly. I mean, how many guys have, I mean, gone to Cal. So 2003, he did play Aaron Rogers. Yes, okay. That was a shot in the dark, but we hit it, baby. I mean, Kyle Bowler, if you remember Kyle Bowler at all. Because of the Ravens, right? Yep. And then one year of Aaron Rogers in 2003.

See if they had anybody. Jeff McArthur was a big time receiver for them that year. But yeah, that's an Aaron Rogers team. So good for Tyler Fredrickson. And then I know he did win at least one immunity challenge on the show. He does win, I believe, exactly one. It was a pretty clutch immunity win. and then

you know he was in the mix he was a contender in that mid merge he could have won like there was a world where a world's apart where he could have won

and he I think he was probably a better player than the show gave him credit for but all right so you but you think he's below Julia Landauer in yeah I don't want to pick on Julia Landauer

she already has the whole vanilla thing I mean I like I don't it's really close right I mean it's For me, it's not even the fact that she was in a regular season race. He was, yeah, he, look, and I'll give him, he was on some practice squads and stuff here, but it's, it's the fact that he wasn't very good in the arena football. He wasn't very good at Cal and those two things have to matter.

The kicks have to matter, Rob. And Tyler Frederick, you gotta make your kicks. Did not go in enough. Yes. Welcome aboard via rail. Please sit and enjoy. Please sit and sit. Play.

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Alan Ball, Chicago Bear, as I mentioned earlier, very bad survivor player, I will say. Like, probably one of the... A hero. How dare you? I, look, I put people in... Alan Ball is a hero. He was. was a hero in title, at least,

and was in one of these tiers of players who I think pretty actively shot themselves in the foot quite a few times on his season and dodged more bullets than he should have. He famously got naked because he was asked to submit to a strip search by J.C. J.P. Hilsabek. He said, you have the idol. Get naked for me. And he did do that.

Yes. Maybe a subplot from Heated Rivalry Season 2. There you go. It was a tease or way ahead of his time, Alan Ball. Yes. He had a very good NFL career. Once again, do you want to guess who he played for and was drafted by Rob? So I did open his Wikipedia.

So, uh, I mean, he was drafted by the Dallas Cowboys. They find these future survivor players. Maybe did Lynn Spillman work in the casting, uh, department? I call it the casting department. Is scouting the same as casting, Sam? surely right yeah you see do an interview they look at your tape

like can adam klein help somebody get drafted and then you yeah sometimes you come back and then you're just like you know what i got that one like didn't get that one wrong i thought there was potential there and you know i'm kicking myself for that one when you lay out a dud of a cast possibly yeah maybe the NFL draft is coming up i'll help you get drafted how many of those little popsicle things do you have rob Probably in the neighborhood of 40. You got them all over, ready to go.

I mean, you're pulling out. I mean, Russell Hans, I thought was a gimmy, but I didn't know you would have an Adam Klein impression. Yeah, we got a lot. Okay, there we go. Not Alan Ball. Alan Ball does also have a special place in my heart as a Chicago Bear. He's also in Illinois fighting a line eye.

I played at Illinois for two years. Very, very bad, disastrous Illinois teams. So unmemorable college career because they won two games, both years he was there. But he had a good NFL career. He played nine years, five of them with the Cowboys, played one year with Houston, two years with Jacksonville, and finished it up with the Bears. He started. And he played with two returning players in Ben Dreibergen and Chrissy Hoffback. Which, yeah, his impact on some of those relationships.

I'm sure. I mean, is Ben Dreiberg. Ben Dreebergen without Alan Ball. That's the... Such a good question. That's a great question. The whole rabbit hole we could go down. Okay.

So give me the career interceptions. Six. Six career interceptions. Yeah. Had two seasons with multiple interceptions. Yeah. In both of those seasons, he was a full-time starter. One with Jacksonville and one with Dallas in 2010.

How many years in his playing career? Nine seasons, 108 NFL appearances. he started 47 games. So I feel like that with Danny McCray, I feel like this is kind of like a one-to-one comparison because they're both players in the secondary, and we could sort of look at them. And so Allen Ball played longer,

had more picks. He started more games. He doesn't have a challenge win, and I'm talking about the show, not the actual, you know. He doesn't have one of those either. No. So I think he's, ahead of Danny McCray.

He has to be. I mean, Gary Hogabooam. He won two, so he did win two playoff games, one with Dallas and one with the Houston Texans. So he appeared in two different playoffs as a starter. And, yeah, and he had an impact in both of those post seasons. Is he better than Gary Hoagabooam? That is a great question.

I think this is going to have to be, this is the spot that he goes in? The question is, is he above or below Mr. Hawkins? Mm-hmm. I would say, I think he is, I think he's better. I think he's a little bit better. Okay. When was he drafted?

He was drafted in the seventh round in the 2007 round. In the 2007 draft, part of that could be because his college team was very bad. Adam Klein could have got him drafted in the sixth round. Right. Yeah. You're doing, Adam Klein really should pivot his services to be like, hey, before the timeline. I'm telling you all these teams are going to meet with all these players.

Like, they're going to be on Zoom interviews. Adam Klein has like a whole other business revenue stream just waiting. If you look at some of those like the in-season hard knocks where you like look at the questions these guys are getting asked at the combine and whatnot, it is the most like corny, annoying little like interview ever. And a little bit of prep with a guy like Adam Klein would go a long. Help him so much. Come on. Yeah. The real question here, he was definitely a better player in the NFL than Gary Hogueboom was.

Gary Hogueboom being a quarterback probably was more valuable to his team, but I don't know what we want to weigh here. Does the position matter that much? No, I think let's look at the body of work. So, okay, I'll put Allen Ball. Alan Ball is going to be number three on the list right now, right behind Steve Ryan,

but not as good as Steve Wright. No, not as good as good as career. More started more games. Yeah. More premium position. So, I like that for, for, do we want to look at career earnings? No, he, I mean, is that only Wikipedia? It's on, it's on the internet.

I can find that. Yeah, here we go. Alan Ball, I'll get that. Why don't you take us to the next one? Okay, all right. Because I know we have to like wait against inflation, but I think that that's telling us something. Alan Ball made $7.7 million.

Wow. That's not bad at all. That is not bad at all. Okay. Got a $3 million contract with the Bears his final year. Okay, pretty good. All right. So we had another NFL player.

Brandon Codham. Brandon Cotum. You know, and off the time, I don't recall, he was a tight end, correct? I think he's listed as a fullback.

He might have been a college tight end. Okay. And then transition to fullback in the NFL. Yeah, if I, that's correct. All right. So he was a running back at Purdue.

And it was kind of like a reserve running. back block first power back guy power back and then played in the NFL another guy that did not play in regular season NFL games but spent two years with the Seattle Seahawks. Oh, as a fullback. Okay. And do you think that he's having a big Super Bowl party this weekend? I would imagine he's a pretty big Seahawks fan, right? Like he only played for the Seahawks. It was his only NFL stint. And so he is a, he's a Philly guy. So he's a, he's a, an Eagles fan at heart. Does he have any NFL touchdowns?

Let me let me see if he did one maybe in the preseason at some point. Let's see. He was signed and waived and signed and waived and on injured reserve. Looks like he just mainly spent time

on the practice squad. What years was he on the Seahawks? So it is the 2015-2016 Seahawks, which I do believe were some very good teams, not Russell Wilson era, P. Carroll era. Yeah. So this is the Russell Wilson. Licking their wounds from the last Patriot Super Bowl.

Well, the 2050, so this is the 2015 and 2016 Seahawks. Both teams made the playoffs. Yes. Neither team made the Super Bowl. This is right after their Super Bowl. Right after that. Okay. And any NFL action in regular season play?

Not for Brandon Cottom, no. Okay. I think, I think we're in the Tyler, Fredericksson territory here. I think he's stuck in the NFL a little bit more, like actually on a practice squad. And, you know, I'm sure he did a good job as a fullback. It's hard to break into the league as a fullback. So I would put him right above Tyler Fredericks. But worse than Julia Landauer? Oh, I forgot we had Julia Landauer in there. Let's go based off of most likely to listen to this podcast and put Brandon Cottom above Julia Landauer. Yes. And, and,

and I don't know about you, but certainly beat me up. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. I want no part of a Brandon got him. And I also think, by the way, like, I think pretty underrated survivor player. I was pretty bummed that we didn't get more of him on. Listen, in another world where, you know,

that they have a better handle on the Tika three, it could be like a final four or five of the, whatever that orange tribe was. And, you know, he has a decent shot to be the winner. Rest in peace to Maddie Pamela, but like, I mean, one of the best, uh, the premieres of the new era as well with the, the idol play. I mean, that's certainly, I don't know if we've ever seen that before. So an idol played the first tribal council and correctly from Brandon. So credit to him.

Yeah. All right. All right. Another NFL player, Grant Matos. There's a lot. And Grant Matos. Wide receiver, correct? Yes, he was.

And he did play in the NFL in regular season games. He did not catch a pass, but he did play in games. What team did he play on? He played for the San Diego Chargers in 2003. Okay. He was a college receiver at USC. Yeah. So that's a, is Drew Breeze the quarterback there in 2003?

2003 Chargers. It would have been, they went four and 12 with Marty Schottenheimer, but Drew Breeze was the quarterback. Yeah. Did Drew Breeze also go to Purdue? And did he know, is he friends with Brandon Codham at the alumni events? Probably, probably not. They're the same alumni newsletter.

Yes. But Drew Breeze, Doug Flutie, the two quarterbacks for Grant Lottos. The Chargers had Drew Breeze and they drafted Philip Rivers in, well, actually, they drafted Eli Manning. And then that was a whole thing, maybe foreshadowing for next year when the Jets have the number one pick. And he said, I'm not going to the Chargers. and then get traded,

you know, Philip Rivers and the Giants made a trade back then. I'll say this too about Grant. So this is from 2003, when he was at University of Southern California, they won the Orange Bowl. And he was receiving high praise from teammate Carson Palmer. Future NFL Star QB said of Mattos,

having a guy like Grant come in has been great. He's really going to set the tone for the rest of the receivers. Went to the NFL. He set the tone on Omatepe until we got rid of him. I mean, Grant, I also think probably maybe in the Tyler Fredrickson boat. I would say we took him for granted.

Maybe a better player than he got credit for with a pretty skewed Redemption Island at it. But certainly, I was shocked. I watched back Redemption Island not all that long ago and seeing how very genuinely worried about Grant Boston Rob was. He was terrified about losing to Grant. Boston Rob was like, hey, I lost to a bitter jury and then married the winner of the season. The last thing he wanted to do was to sit at the end of the game where anybody could have said,

you know what, like I'm jaded against Rob. I have to. I'm like, I give Grant the win. Sure. He's a likable guy. So Grant did earn his spot on the 2003 Chargers with impressive training camp performances. Broke camp with the team, which was a big success story at the time. He played in six regular season games, did not catch a pass, but was a special teams guy for the Chargers that season.

He lasted two years with the Chargers, four years in the league overall. The last two years were spent with Denver and the Tennessee Titans on a practice squad. I reached out to a contact of mine, a friend of mine, who is the man for all things, Tennessee Titans. Titans fans will know Paul Kaharski very well as Hall of Fame voter, notorious NFL writer. I asked him, what can you tell me about Grant Matos and his career with the Tennessee Titans? He said, and I quote, I remember, I recall that Grant Matos was on the Titans practice squad at one time. And end of quote.

So that about sums up his own career. Yes. And I also recall Graham Atos was on the television program Survivor at one time. Yep. And they went just about the same where he was there. He sure was. Redemption Island

is a bit like the practice squad of the Survivor season. Like they're there. We call them in when we need them. But they're not really part of the main thing. Yeah, it's like if you took, you know, Peyton Manning and then put him on the practice squad and then was like, this guy's really kicking the butt of these practice squatters. Like, this is impressive. Bring him back. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Do it. All right. So I think this one is pretty

easy to slot. Okay. He played in NFL game. So I think he's already passed the Brandon caught online. The question is, is he better or worse than Crystal Cox? I would put him below Crystal Cox. Okay. And put him, yeah, I think he's right. He's above that.

Because at one point in time, somebody said, Crystal Cox, you are the best at something. She was, yeah, gold medal stood up there. Best in the world.

So yeah, I would put him below Crystal Cox, but I think he's easily right above Brandon Codham. Okay. All right. Let's keep going. Oh,

John Rocker. Here we go. Why? That one took you by surprise. I forgot about John. Rocker. I'm going to have this list. And he was on the list.

John Rocker, former Atlanta Brave, uh, he said a lot of racist and homosexual stuff I've heard. And, uh, then he kind of had like a, a 360 story arc where he was like this firebrand, like a run out of the bullpen like a jerk, uh,

you know, Atlanta Brave Closer. And then he gave an interview, I believe to Sports Illustrator. in maybe 1999, talking about how he hated the Mets

and he hated New York because you would ride the seven train and see, I forget what he, he had like a long, people you'd see on the seven train,

which I think also included people that you see. Yeah, people with AIDS. I think he talked about in the article. And I think he becomes the basis of Danny McBride's

character in Eastbound and Down, which is a class. Have you watched that? I have seen episodes of Eastboundly down. It's a great, great show. People recommending it nonstop. Yes.

And so, but then he ends up, he shows up on Survivor, and then he kind of, like he gets off on the wrong foot, but it's kind of a misunderstanding. Like, there's a version of events

that you can watch where, you know, he's jawing with Natalie Anderson, but he's also like, he tried to make this deal with Jeremy, and he's trying to protect Val. And, The cast at the time seemed to really like him after the show.

Oh, really? Yes. Like going back that they, I think that they kind of came around on him. They said, oh, he's kind of misunderstood. And then he then, you know, like many people, like full heel turn back to old John Rocker currently. Listen, I think is that not the story also kind of on Survivor for him a little bit? because early on, like when you watch what actually led to his demise and like a lot of the hostility towards him, it is like you said, mostly a misunderstanding.

And if you are watching that, obviously from Jeremy's perspective, not knowing what's going on, it seems like John Rock or Snakeja and just, you know, pulled a, pull the Mariano on you, like, you know, hey, you take care of her. I'll take care of you. But he tries his best. And Val Collins really doesn't do him a ton of favors. Yeah, they're not on the same page. There's a miscommunication.

funniest part with John Rocker is that he gets identified, I believe by West Nail, who says to him like, hey, like, you're John Rocker. I know who you are.

He's like, yeah, my name's, my name's John, but I'm John Wetland, which is also a famous baseball pitcher. The Yankees. He tried to just make up a different,

I wonder, it's like, not even a teammate of it. He's a different closer. Like, yeah, you just identify. He was cosplay.

is a different MLB closer. I don't know if he was trolling or what, but that was hilarious. But okay, but John Rocker does, did John Rocker make a Major League Baseball All-Star game? Or did he piss off the Major League Baseball Powers

that be enough that he did not even make one single All-Star game? I was really surprised to find out that he did not make the All-Star game. Because 1999 in particular, you have a 1999 Atlanta Braves team that goes through the World Series against the Yankees. Yes. Yes.

By way of New York Mets. Yes. They won 103 games that year and were like the talk of Major League Baseball. He did not have a long Major League career. He burned fast and bright, much like he did in his

survivor career. I don't know if Bright is. But I want to say that he was, did not play in Major League Baseball for more than four or five years. It was six years. but it's really like a four-year run with the Braves. So it was one good year in 1998 where he's a good pitcher in that bullpen.

Right. 1999, he has 38 saves. Pretty good. ERA at 2.49. So he was lights out. Light out. The 99 Braves. Also,

I don't know if the Crystal Cox rules were in effect yet. Right. Yeah. He was the one that I was referring to earlier that I said might be, could flag him there. Yeah. Somebody text Jose Canseco. Yeah. 2000, 2001, he was also a good.

But I think he has, I'm not sure if he was injured or I think Major League Baseball suspends him for what he said in Sports Illustrated. Let's see if I can, well, controversies. There's clearly one here. Let's see. He, yeah, he had shoulder surgery in the, well, in the 2000s. he started to receive intense taunting from opposing teams. And his performance began to decline as a result in the early 2000s in 2001. He was then traded to Cleveland and pitched in the playoffs.

I bet he hated. They changed it to the Guardians. And then in 2002 with Texas, they tried to send him down and he refused to be sent to the minor leagues. And so they just straight up released him. And that happened a couple other times for him before he inevitably washed out of Major League Baseball. So it was, I mean, the peak was very, very high. He was one of the stars of Major League Baseball at his prime. But quickly burned out, lost a lot of good faith along the way and not a long career.

Okay. So in placing him, though, we're talking about the sports career, the on-field career. Sports on field career. He reaches very high highs, even though it's not a long career. So I think that he's sort of like past the Grant Mattoes, did not catch a pass in the NFL. No, absolutely. I think he's above Crystal Cox. I would also put him above Crystal Cox.

I would actually put him above Gary Hoga Boom and Alan Ball as well. Okay. And Danny McCray by, by, you know, association there. Okay, well, now we're talking about Steve Wright. Did he have a better NFL career or a better? I do not. Okay. I would put him below Steve Wright because I think the longevity of what Steve Wright did in the NFL,

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After John Rocker, who's next? It is. Jeff Kent. Majorly Baseball Hall of Fame. Now, did their paths ever cross? And can baseball reference give us, what was Jeff's Kent career against John Rocker? Ooh, I can work on that and see if I can find it. I'm sure I can find the stats.

Yes. Now, Jeff Kent, I'm trying to remember. He was he, he was on the Giants by then? So he only faced weirdly enough four times he matched up with John Rocker. Well, actually, so Jeff Kent, I think it's traded to the Indians for Carlos Bayerga in 1995, along with Jose Viskayano. Don't ask me what I had for lunch yesterday. But this I can tell you.

He is with the Giants by 97, though. So for John Rocker's career, he's in the National League. I would have thought they matched up more, given the fact that they're both. And what was Jeff Kent's career batting average against or a career?

Yeah, he fared very well against him. He walked, got a hit and struck out. So he got on base three out of four times. was one for two in four matchups with John Rocker. So, yeah, the head-to-head is pretty good. Yeah, so Jeff Kent ends up in the baseball Hall of Fame, which I think was probably, I don't know,

was it a long shot? I feel like that he must have been eligible for a while to finally get in now. Was this like a down year? I know Carlos Beltran is going to be in the Hall of Fame. So Jeff Kent's Hall of Fame is very interesting. He actually was not elected to the, Hall of Fame in the traditional way. That is after five years of playing, you are up for election

by the Baseball Writers Association of America. You need 75% of the vote. You get 10 years on the ballot before you drop off the ballot entirely. So Jeff Kent got enough votes to stay on the ballot for all 10 years and kind of kept ticking up towards that 75%, but never quite got there. And a few years ago dropped off the ballot. However, baseball does have what they call the contemporary baseball era committee, which is a much smaller group of voters. And there's quite a lot of controversy around it, right? That it's like, we put 500 baseball writers up to the task of voting for 10 years just for like eight guys to decide who gets in.

And he somewhat controversially got in in this year's class over people like Carlos Delgado and Gary Sheffield and Don Mattingly. but Jeff Kent was the selection, so she does join the Hall of Fame. In your estimation as a sports professional, are the baseball writers at this point or the committee, the powers that be, are they really just trying to troll Barry Bonds that Barry Bonds is not in the Hall of Fame yet his hated frenemie Jeff Kent is? I think there is absolutely some personal vendetta with Barry Bonds at this point, right? And like, you know, people will make, you can't have one baseball writer give you a logical argument for why Barry Bonds isn't in. They say, well, he took steroids. And then they're like, well.

What a how come Crystal Cox is on our list? Fair point. How come Crystal Cox was on Survivor? I mean, David Ortiz took steroids and he's in the baseball Hall of Fame and has a failed test. But we like Big Poppy. Right. They like Big Poppy. They don't like Barry Bonds.

Barry Bonds was a Hall of Famer before he took steroids. They just didn't like the guy. And baseball writers, especially old head baseball writers. They do what they want out of personal vendetta. Jeff Kent wasn't the most popular. Right. He wasn't the most popular player with the media, but I do think he has aged well because he is the anti-Berry.

Anti-Berry. And he does some good things in his eyes. Yes. Of course, that it was memorable when he was on Survivor. he played with Penner. I'll never forget. We had Penner come to a live show that we did in Los Angeles. And he was really holding court.

And he said of Jeff Kent that night, he said, Jeff Kent wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. That is a, that's your best impression, I think. More of my favorites. That might be your best. I think that one was very good. So Jeff Kent. But as a survivor,

athlete, Hall of Famer? And baseball Hall of Fame, probably the hardest one to get into. He is the greatest offensive second baseman to ever touch a baseball diamond. And I think that is worthy of the Hall of Fame. And I think it's worthy of number one on our list. Okay. So Jeff Kent is now number one. Watch out Brad Culpepper.

Jeff Kent is now number one. My composite score, I had cold pepper, or Jeff Kent just slightly because of the Survivor game. But I think you're going off the athlete, Kent's got him. Is Jeff Kent on the Mount Rushmore of Survivor Mustaches? Yes, also yes, right? I was trying to come up with this.

I mean, these are the things that I think about of like, who's on the Mount Rushmore of Survivor Mustaches? We don't have many of them. Ranger Rick. Jeff Kent. Ranger Rick is the biggest staff. you on the Boston rob his beard grows in kind of only a mustache is that technicality is that sort of is that I present I present to you whatever Riz God called that thing on Survivor 49 by

the time he kept at the end yeah who else stash more who's on it each Zique Zique I could see it you get a mustache right yeah we got around out the top four the Mount Rushmore well some of the mustaches I feel like turn into just like beards and forget that people had mustaches. So chicken, chicken, Zique. Let's make that our letter.

Chicken, Zik, Rick and Jeff Kent. That's a great list. Clip that. Okay, there we go. Oh, Thomas from Survivor 48, Sam Moore.

Okay, all right. I was like, Thomas from Survivor 48. He's not an athlete. Why is he, why are you giving us Thomas from Survivor 48, Sam?

He belongs in the conversation with the mustache is. All right. Cliff, Robinson, Uncle Cliffie, RIP, is Cliff Robinson in the NBA Hall of Fame? He is not in professional basketball hall of fame. What are you doing NFL NBA Hall of Fame? He was, however, an All-Star.

He does have the two-time all-defensive team. He's a one-time All-Star. He was the sixth man of the year in 1993 for Portland. Very good, very long career for Cliff Robinson. And 18 years, Rob, in the association. He played in over 1,000 games. And he did have multiple seasons in which he averaged over 20 points per game. So it was a really good career for Cliff Robinson.

I think he is safely number two on our list. One of the nicest guys, everybody raved about Uncle Cliffie. And it was a real coup to have him on Survivor and is gone. way too soon. And swap screwed on Survivor. Swap screwed also. And yeah,

he was beloved by by all except for just another survivor legend. He's looking for it among his 40 popsicle stick heads. Uncle Cliffy. He's everybody that everybody loves him too much.

You got to get rid of him. And maybe Clip's biggest claim to fame survivor-wise, he might be the only player ever to induce another players quit by being voted out. Like he's so beloved. Can you believe it? It was a two for one.

We got Lindsay also. There was a Lindsay. Yeah, I mean, so beloved that not only did he go out, that he took somebody else out of the game with him in a very fun sequester-esque quest. And Wu was shocked. Wu is like he had an epic blindside.

He was like his mouth was just agape. Yes. So shout out to Uncle Cliffy. Shout out to Uncle Cliffy. So Uncle Cliffy ahead of Brad Culpepper now. Surprisingly, by the way, only 4.6 rebounds per game in his career for a guy that was 6 foot 10. Interesting. What was the best known for?

I'm not a basketball guy. His defense. So, yeah, I did. I'm not a huge NBA guy either. I did reach out to Mark Tallon, my resident NBA expert, to figure out a little bit about Cliff Robinson. he was raving about how good Uncle Cliff he was. Yeah, good score and a very good defender. So he didn't really have like great length as a center to like grab rebounds or anything.

But he was sort of a do it all center good like passed well for a center. Scored like I said. It was the center of the tribe. Three seasons over 20 points per game. And as we saw way too good of a shooter for an NBA center that even when he tries to throw a challenge. He can't help the brains from getting in their own way. He has to make shots eventually. Yeah, though the brawn. Yeah, well, but it was the brains trying to throw. I feel like I remember Sarah Lascena at that point. I think that it was pre-swap. Yeah, so you get right.

So he's trying to throw the challenge. No, no. I think that Sarah Lascena might have been trying to throw the challenge. And then Cliff was too good. I think he was not in on the challenge throw, I believe. So he... Cliff Robinson would never throw a challenge. Because they might be trying to throw it to get him out too. And he overcomes the throw by being too good at the challenge. Yeah, I don't recall if he was the person they were trying to get out by throwing the challenge. I don't remember if that was the case.

So, yeah, the ultimate, I suppose, anti-throw of overcoming the throw. My apologies to Uncle Cliffie for accusing. All right. Let's stay in the world of the world of the game. NBA, Scott Pollard. Scott Pollard, another one that, like, is certainly not as big of a name as Cliff Robinson. So this one is really where I had to had to reach out to people that knew basketball a little bit better than you. What did Mark Tallon say?

He said that Scott Pollard was a surprisingly good role player. So he was instrumental. Huh? Pistons. Pistons at one point, start his career, really known with the Sacramento Kings. So he was one year with the Pistons, drafted in the first round by the Pistons, then spent five years with the Sacramento Kings, three with the Indiana Pacers, one with Cleveland, one with Boston. So he is an NBA champion with the Boston Celtics in that last year of his career, but it was a year that he did nothing. 22 games, one point per game was just a bench player.

So he was, however. Yes. Yeah. During the 90s and early 2000s, some very good Sacramento Kings teams with Rick Adelman as the coach that were competing for NBA titles and Western Conference titles. Scott Pollard was a occasional starter, integral role player for those teams as more of a rim protector and shot blocker, not really a score. But as is the case when you're six foot 11, I suppose. Now, on Survivor is more known for being an antagonist necessarily than being a memorable challenge performer. Yeah. So I have Scott and one other Survivor player in sort of the same boat in terms of their games.

And we will get to that person here shortly. but he had all the control in the world, had all the chops to do very well, controls his initial tribe. Like, he's got it. And he just unravels as the season goes on and becomes more and more antagonistic. And it certainly feels like the kind of a guy

with the idols and alliances that he has where it's like, Scott, if you're not an asshole to people, you could actually do really, really well. In his line of work in the NBA, like, you got to, you got to, you got to bring that nastiness to the court. He played for the pistons in the 90s. Can we really blame him?

I mean, yeah, he's a bad boy at his heart. And unfortunately, it was his demise in Survivor, because that's really what pushes Thai, uh, the other direction toward Aubrey and forces him out of the game is it had he not just been so actively bad towards Ty, uh, maybe he gets that idol played on him and does a lot more damage. Yes. And it was a, I forget, was it a super idol or it was like, it was a idol with two halves and the two halves needed to be put together. And so, I believe his ally had half of the idol, I believe. And then Ty had the

other half of the idol, which was given him as sort of like goodwill. And then he would not turn his key. Yeah, him, Kyle Jason and Ty kind of formed a little bit of an unexpected trio that not on very well at the beginning and it was actually triangle offense independent idols so Kyle Jason had found his own idol Ty had found his own idol but there was a special twist where if you combine

two idols you can do one after the votes okay so let's bring in Scott Pollard and so okay let's get him into the professional sports where he is played in the NFL or played in the NBA So I think we're talking about better than Danny McCray. Yeah, he had a better career than Danny McCray.

Better than Gary Hoguebom. Yes, right. Yes. I mean, he was a maybe not. I don't know. Hmm. I don't, what do you, what do you, NBA role player or like, you know, role player backup NFL quarterback?

I think the longevity is, is tougher to be a role player. There's just less spots. You could make the argument against, Scott Pollard for the sense that is he a height merchant? Yes? What do you mean? Well, like, I mean, I do tend to take points away from,

like Cliff Robinson, I think very tall, but showed skill throughout his career. Like, was a score, did a lot of things really well to be good at basketball. Scott Pollard kind of has this career of being, he was just big. And he was big and that put him in the NBA. And was he more than just big?

And I feel like it might, it might diminish some of the accomplishments of some of the other athletes on our list. If we have him too high as a guy who was just born very big. Yeah. Like are we putting bowl, bowl really high in terms of like, hey, he's been in the NBA for a very long time.

Like, that is just a tall man. Yes. Are there any stats from Scott Pollard that really jump out? Not particularly, to be honest. I mean, his most points per game were 6.5.

His most rebounds per game, 7.1. He did have a couple years where he averaged over one block per game, which is very good. So it is, he is that rim protector for those Kings teams. But 99 games started over 11 years. He was really just a bench, a bench player. All right. So I guess is he, you're saying below Gary Hoguebun, but above Danny McCray? Yeah, I could make an argument for him to be lower, but I'll, I'll go. Okay, well, let's put him there because he has the, the starts where Danny McCrae was more of special teams. He did.

They're both role players, but Scott Pollard had a bigger impact on teams more frequently than Danny McCrae did. Like, there were multiple years that he was a key piece of his team. And he's number eight currently on the list. Okay. All right. We still got three athletes to go, but I wanted to take a moment because I wanted to show Sam, Sam, Sam, here. Of course, my book, The Tribe and I have spoken available for pre-order now, Robinsbook.com.

Do you know that I wrote about you in this book? I did not know that. Yes. At all. Okay. Here I turn to page 173 in Chapter 5. You had to be there. The greatest moments in Survivor history.

Operation Italy from December 4th, 2024. are fantastic what'd you say are you no spoilers or can i can i get a little taste uh let me see if i can if i can find a little bit from well i mean you were there that is true i do remember but i want to know your thoughts rob is it is it is it your thoughts is it uh is it like a little description through Rob's eyes. So it's basically, yeah, I'm going to talk about all of the greatest. I mean, this whole chapter is about the greatest moments. I remember exactly where I was during all of these moments. And I talk about how during the night of Operation Italy, I was with Asia. It was in Houston that we did the RHAP live show that night. And so we talk about, it's basically all of the lore

and legacy of survivor through my eyes, of course, the ultimate advantage point. Absolutely. Yeah, I was thinking about this myself the other day about some of those moments for me. And like, what were those moments where I'm like, I remember the exact place that I was when this happened. And I jumped off the couch and started screaming and running around. And so that would be a nice little reading through those for Survivor fans. And certainly with like Super Bowls too. You remember like, oh, that was at this person's house when we saw this.

And so it is weird. You're like looking back at these things, also remembering where you were. Just one of the many things in the tribe and I have spoken. is a book.com working on a lot of fun pre-orders too for everybody who orders it before the book comes out on May 5th, 2020. You'll remember where you were on May 5th, 2026. Okay. All right, let's get back to the list. Okay, we have our first and only professional hockey player on the list. It's Tom Laidlaw. It is Tom Laidlaw. Tom Laidlaw of the first ever Canadian. Yes. Who play American Survivor. Tom Laidlaw was. He played 10 years in the National Hockey League, beginning in 1980 with the New York Rangers,

and he played for the Rangers and the Kings for a decade. Yes, King. Yeah, hey, he was a, are robbed King possibly on Survivor? No, he was not. Another person, Rob, I will fight. Tom Laidlaw was swap screwed. He got swap screwed. Was he good before the swap? I really don't remember much about him. I think he was working with Elaine. He, Tom was interesting because it was, he was one of those people that had he had to go to like the first tribal council very well could have been the first boot, like what was on the outs and then worked his way in enough with the tribe where I think he was in the majority before the swap, but did not have numbers and I don't even didn't get a chance to go to the island of the

idols and get an advantage or anything. So I don't know much about his career. So tell me about the the hockey resume of Tom Lee. Well, it is a pretty good one. You know, 10 years in the NHL is obviously nothing to scoff at. He was a defenseman. So Tom does not have the eye-popping numbers that you might see. I'm not, you know, I, look, I pretend to be a hockey guy as much as I can when I was, you know, maybe a decade ago and the Chicago Blackhawks were really, were really taken over.

I was watching hockey, but no, I do not watch the NHL. So I did have to outsource some information about Tom Laidlaw as well. I do feel like, correct me if I'm wrong, I feel like that your cast has a number of hockey fans, though. A ton. Well, you know, we have a Canadian on our cast. So you get a Winnipegher and that that's a hockey connection. And I think, you know, we've all kind of rallied around that. So I found myself going up to Winnipeg to visit my friend Genevieve, going to a

hockey game and all of a sudden, you know, I love a good hockey game in person. You know, I just can't watch it on TV. Rachel is a Red Wings fan? Red Wings. And then Andy is a Sabers fan? I think. Is anybody really a Sabers fan? That's the question. See, that is the thing with many people, especially in the U.S. with hockey. I feel like because we pretend if our football teams are good. But as soon as the bills are good, Andy forgot the Sabers existed. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. So Tom Laidlaw, yeah, 10 years in the NHL, defenseman, 25 goals, 139 assists during his career in 700 NHL games. A couple of interesting notes.

When he was with the Rangers, he was being coached by, I have it in my notes. I should have remembered it off the top of my head. What's our guy from Miracle? Miracle. What? Come on. Help me out. Help me out.

You don't know? No, nothing. Al Michaels, I don't know any other people associated with the I should know, I should know his name off. The 1980 men's Olympic hockey team. This is really bad out of me because, oh, her Brooks. Yeah, of course, obviously her Brooks. Al Michaels had the call, though.

Correct. Yeah. So he, yeah, he was coached by her Brooks with the Rangers. When he goes to the Kings, he plays with Wayne Gretzky. And during his career with the New York Rangers, Tom Laidlaw was a captain for the Rangers for many years. And nine out of his 10 NHL seasons, his team went to the playoffs. So never won a Stanley Cup.

Yeah. Was never amazing. Never an All-Star, anything like that. Just kind of your stay-at-home defenseman. Yeah. And in the playoffs. Can I do one other aside? You know, we have all these great sports calls over the years.

And of course, Al Michaels. Do you believe in miracles? is certainly up there. Jeff has called challenges for, I mean, the first couple seasons, not really, but you know, for the better part of 50 seasons, we don't have a list of like Jeff's greatest calls of the Survivor challenge. That's a great point. Like, I don't know if I even remember one of like off the top of my head of what Jeff said. And I mean, the only thing I can pull right now is like, right now is like, literally carrying his family on his back.

Like that was very sports-esque. He also has a couple of like cliches that he throws in. They're like, put this one in the deep freeze. Yeah, yeah. He's got his Jeff isms. And we certainly have our highlight videos on YouTube of snarky remarks that he's made and funny moments throughout challenges. And I think those are memorable.

But it is a little, maybe it's because he doesn't want to show bias. Do we think that's it? Like he doesn't want to. Because I kind of feel like the great sports calls are sort of like, oh my God, can you believe this is happening? Like he isn't doing, I don't know, you know, insert like a Rachel, Rachel LeBond. She did it, folks. I can't believe it. This is history in the making baby. It was, it wasn't far off. I'll tell you that. I think I think the editing bay maybe had to correct it a little bit, but I remember sitting there, Jeff, oh, man, what was it? Because we're getting up there, right? And in my head, there's no shame in looking over at a puzzle, whatever. And so our

final immunity, I know I'm an underdog on this puzzle because it's a puzzle. It's a puzzle. Rachel has in her own home. Like, I'm not going to go great for me. But I get to the puzzle first. I put a couple of pieces and I'm kind of freaking out. I'm like, yo, hey, you're ahead. Wow, you're doing it. You're doing it. And then Rachel is stuck. She comes over, like takes a quick look. Yeah. Figures out the first piece, you know, that she needs. She's off and running.

She passes me. She's going. Well, I start to panic and I head over and look. And Jeff starts going, yeah, if you're, you can go over there and look, that's fine. Get a good look at what a winner looks like. Like this is, hey, if you're looking, that means you're behind. Wow. And, I mean, it was very, uh, very Al Michaels, Joe Buck asked as, as she's put in the final

pieces. There's only four women who have ever done it. She's three pieces away at the two, at the one, history. I'm like, Jeff, you are actively making me lose the game. What would Survivor look like if there were like two people in the booth, like the Rob and Sandra booth doing the commentary on the challenges? Like, Jeff is out there. I don't know if you watched the Beast games this past season.

I'm sure you probably did to see your beloved Sue Smey. And but Mr. Beast was a little bit like helping out with Jeff. But it would be interesting to see like if there was like, you know, color commentary of like, you know, Jeff's there. He's the official. He's making the call. But like, oh, look at this. Look at this. Well, that would be very fun, right?

Jeff, Jeff does the, oh, he gets it with one shot. And then you get your color commentary person. Jeff, I love how much rope that he gave right there. He had a lot of just little nuggets. Yeah, and maybe it's like an announcer, but also like a former player, like, I remember back in 43, we did this challenge. And the key is you got to untangle the nets first. Here they go through the mud. Yeah, Jeff, this mud's no joke.

It really sticks to you. You can't see anything right now. The announcer isn't Jeff. Jeff's still being Jeff. You just have two other people. He's doing the play by play and somebody's just piping it in, you know, as you go. Who would that person be? I mean, this would be a really good spot for Boston Rob.

Yeah, it would. It would. Come on. Hey, I'm the Tom Brady of Survivor now. Yeah. And Rob is, you know, he has these moments where he, I think he balances between like, too cool for school, but then also like he'll get excited about a good fun. Like I like watching him react to the traders, this, you know, moments on the traders. Gameplay always will excite him. So this would be a fun spot for him.

Okay. All right. Where's a fun spot for Tom Laidlaw? Okay. So we have sort of like, we know the area he's in. He's a professional player. He saw a time. He was made the playoffs a bunch of years.

So I feel like I'm looking at it around. Okay, Danny, better than Danny McCray, right? I agree. Better than Scott Pollard. Yes. Better than. I think they're similar, but he was more impactful than Scott was. Okay.

So we're in the right territory. Better than Gary Hogueboom. Um, yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right. Better than Alan Ball. I think we maybe put him one spot above Allen Ball.

Okay. Like who's above Alan Ball? John Rocker. Oh, see. Okay. Well, now you have your longevity versus peak debate here. Because Tom was certainly never a star of any of his teams, despite being a captain. But he was a contributor for longer than John Rocker was in Major League Baseball.

Yeah. think all ties go not to John Rocker. Okay. Tom Laidlaw, it is. But that's Steve Wright. It sounds like I'd go with Steve Wright. You see Steve Wright over Tom Laidlaw. I know people don't remember Steve Wright as an athlete. I like it was kind of a unsung part of his like Survivor.

Yeah, I feel like Survivor likes to make a big deal about professional athletes on the show. And you get them talking about it all the time. I don't know if we ever really got Steve Wright talking about his NFL experience. let alone the fact that 10-year NFL tackle, like that's, that's no joke. Okay. Anything about him being the first Canadian on Survivor that helps to build his resume? Probably not. I wish, right?

For the Marianes and omers and Shans and Syns and Erika's and Genevives and Venus and a real legacy followed in the footsteps of Tom Laidlaw. He's zambonied a path right into Survivor for all these stars of the new era. Yeah, famously this season 39 was, I believe it was originally designed to be USA versus Canada. And they had all the Canadians go. Well, they dropped them all from casting. Like, I don't know what exactly changed, but yeah, they cut a bunch of Canadians, you know, pretty late in the process and restructured what they,

they wanted the season to be. Maybe Mariano put in a call and was like, hey, you need to build me a big statue. I'm coming. Jeff, I heard what you're doing for season 39. Is it fun? Yeah, right. You know what would be fun?

A really big monument dedicated just to me. Is it fun? Yeah. Okay. All right. So let's now bring in. We have two more people. Okay?

All right. All right. All right. We have from the world of mixed martial arts be no win. Yes. B-N-win, I will say, off the bat, bonus points to be best nickname on this list. The Killer Bee? The Killer B, which is such a cool, it works, it's good for the sport.

Like, it's just, that's a great name there. And actually, the origin of that nickname was because in one of her very first fights as an amateur, she says that the crowd started chanting, kill her, B, kill her, B, and that, uh, that her want to go by Killer B. So there is a little... I need a good nickname like that. Maybe at the live show, the crowd will start chanting something and it'll stick.

Let's see. I'll think of something for you. We'll workshop it. Okay. All right. Being a win, I know very little about her ultimate... I know very little about her survivor career.

Her ultimate fighting career. Yeah, it's tough. It actually is, you know, we were talking about Julia a little bit earlier. It is one of these more intricate and detailed and layered sports, right? It's not just like, hey, you played in the top professional league. There are all kinds of levels for being away. We do.

So her overall record is six wins, nine losses. She also never, yeah, very nice record. And by the way, there was some that said that in her upper levels as a pro, she was six, seven. as her record. So I was going back and forth, six, seven, or six, nine. Which one do I, which one do I lean into?

Okay, so she's below 500 either way. She is below 500 either way. And I will say she did not. Kick my ass, just for the record. Another person, I want, I mean, who on this list could not kick your ass wrong? That's a good question. I think that me versus Julia Landauer

would be competitive in a street fight. Hey, I saw a video of Julia Landauer recently advocating for herself to come back on Survivor's second chances too. Oh, so. Okay. And she seemed to have a little bit of. Julia, if you're ready to take me on in Sumo at sea, I'm ready to go. She seemed to have a little bit of, um, to her. I'll meet you in the hall brawl, baby.

I mean, I think you could, I mean, you could certainly take Jimmy Johnson. You could, uh, he's not on the list. I think I can push him over. He seems like he's got like old man strength, Jimmy Johnson. You can flick him over maybe, yeah. I think that maybe I could, like, I don't know how his balance is. I think I might be able to like just get him unseated. But yeah, I think that's probably it.

Steve Wright at this point, you could, you could take Steve Wright. I don't know, he's probably very. Steve Wright is a 10 year. I mean, he's probably his arms. But he's also like 6'10. His reach is probably like twice as long as mine. Jeff Kent might not be in the best shape anymore. Like he was, you know, blocking Bruce Smith.

Like, I'm going to take on Steve. Yeah, no, I forgot about the height of it all. Steve Wright, the comedian, maybe. He's naturally going to need to be 610 to, uh, to play. No, it's not even close with anybody else. Um, okay, well, B, I did look, okay, was never in UFC. Um, so that is like, obviously what we all know as the very top of the top. She did compete for a while in what they called the One Championship,

which is sort of the international version of UFC that is considered one step down from UFC. In her debut for One Championship, she had a first round TKO victory. So had a real loud statement. That was her only win in one championship. So yeah, she sub-500 record as a pro, known. for having a high pace, like, fighting, she's going to bounce around and definitely be this little buzz and B that tries to, and then a lot of her wins are from decision

and not really like dominance or knockouts or anything like that. Okay. All right. So let's see where do we put it. Let's start at the bottom, okay? All right. Be to win compared to Tyler Fredrickson. Okay?

Okay. Who you got? I don't know. I'll think B. I mean, I think that B, she won six and lost seven or nine. I do think it's still a higher. It's a higher percentage than what Tyler made of his kicks.

Yes, I think so. Let's go with B. I mean, we could also just do who would win in a street fight. Okay, but then now Julia versus B. You know, I would also have to go with with B here because neither one of them were at the very pinnacle of their sport. I feel like it's comparable, but B has wins. She's got six of them. Bean wins, okay.

And then Brandon Codham. I think we give it to Brandon Cottom. Brandon Cottom is on an NFL roster. And he's going to win a street fight. Yeah. Okay. All right. We've got one more person.

to add on this original list. And it is also from season 39, which we just talked about, Elizabeth Beisle and Olympics. We are ready, although a summer Olympian. Yes, an Olympic swimmer and a two-time Olympian. I mentioned Crystal Cox earlier

as she had her one Olympic appearance. Elizabeth made the Olympics twice, almost made it a third time, actually, in 2016, and fell just short at the U.S. trials. her very best was at the 2012 London Olympics where she won a silver medal in the 400 meter individual medley. The individual medley is where she's going to do each of the four common strokes. So she'll backstroke, freestyle, breaststroke, and butterfly all in the same race. And then she had the bronze medal in the 200 meter backstroke.

So I do think bonus points to Elizabeth, obviously, but meddling in two events and the medley in particular takes a lot of versatility. You have to be a pretty special athlete to, I mean, those, those strokes require entirely different training methods and like it's a completely different focus. So to be good at all of them in order to compete on the Olympics is saying something. She's also a three-time world champion with gold medals in both backstroke and individual medley at world championship events in the Pan Pacific Championships. Did she ever win individual immunity?

It was not a big swimming season, if I recall. I remember, yeah, I remember her being, like maybe there was once in the tribal phase where everybody was like, wow, she's so good at swimming. But I'm looking now and I don't. She's also, I think, a recipient of that this is a very unofficial award that the Tevin Davis Memorial Award for the player whose best episode of the season is the premiere. I would agree with that. Absolutely, yes.

She did not win individual immunity and has, looks like, eight, nine votes against her. She was a standout in the premiere. Stand out in the premiere was in real control for like the entire kind of pre-merge with her relationship with Missy and Aaron. and then, yeah, there's some, there's some stuff. I mean, Elizabeth. Oh, there was some stuff, baby. There's some stuff that goes on with Elizabeth.

And then she marries Jack from that season? Correct. And like, who I thought, I would have thought was like 10th place or whatever. He's actually like 14th. They just have like the biggest jury of all time. Yeah. But yeah, she, you know, she was a player. She was a player out there.

And thought she could beat Boston Rob at first. fire making challenge. She did not. Bad decision. Not a world champion. She needs to get not. I mean, I guess she's a star athlete, but. And what medals did she win?

So she has a silver and a bronze at the 2012 Olympics. Now, I want to give some context to these. You and I are silver and bronze medal winning survivor players. Yeah, it's not that impressive. I mean, come on. Come on. she uh she was the the silver medal in the medley like i said and i finished in 66th place on the traders on the uh they they're going to combine everybody that's ever played survivor you can get

66th place there you go um she uh she lost in this gold medal race or the the final second i guess if you want to count it's still losing but um it was quite the upset actually She was supposed to be the favorite going in. And really what stopped her was the fact that there was a swimmer named Yishi Wen that ran what they considered to be the swim of her life where she set the world record was faster than Ryan Locti's men's split to close the race and passed Elizabeth Beissel. Tough draw for Elizabeth Beisle. Okay. And then in the backstroke, do you remember Missy Franklin, Rob? Can't say that I do.

Missy Franklin was a very popular, like, flash in the pan, American swimmer who at one point in time, Elizabeth was better then. And she was viewed as the best American woman in the world at the backstroke. She was the very top of U.S. swimming. And then Missy Franklin kind of came up, and it was bad timing for her because in 2011, Elizabeth wins the world championship in the backstroke. But by the time the Olympics rolled around, Missy Franklin had. was like 17 or 16 had gotten old enough to compete and kicked her butt in the gold medal race there.

Okay. All right. So let's try to place Elizabeth Beisle. Okay. So let's go to right to, right now 11 is Crystal Cox. Okay. I would go above Crystal Cox. Okay. All right. So how many, she has two medals? She has two medals. She doesn't have a gold medal. But I would say she also has two individual metals, which is important to me because Crystal Cox's gold medal is part of the relay.

We don't look at you, how many team immunities did you win? Right. It's like, you know, quarterback wins. Come on. You know, it fakes that. Okay. Danny McCray. I would go above Danny McCray.

Hmm. Okay. Scott Pollard. I would go above Scott Pollard. Wow. Okay. So you're very high on Elizabeth Beissel. I mean, I just think when you are, you asked the question earlier in the pod, right?

Like, were you ever viewed as the best at something? And there was a period in time where Elizabeth Beissel, even if it didn't result in an, because the Olympics are every four years, there was a few years where she was considered the best in the world at what she did. And so I think that that gets some points. All right. Then better than Gary Hogueboom. Yes. I would say yes. I would say.

Wow. Okay. We're very high on Elizabeth Bezell. Better than Alan Ball. I get the vibe that you are not very high on Elizabeth Baisal. Yeah. Alan Ball. Listen, you're the expert. I would go. I would keep going.

Wow. We're talking about a top seven survivor athlete, better than John Rocker. All ties go against John Rocker. Better than Tom Laylaw. This is where I would think I would fly. So right now that Survivor 39 had two of the top six all-time Survivor athletes? Hey, this is what we're coming to the conclusions of. Okay.

Elizabeth Paisal slots in number six. Okay. And then so we don't get any like hate or people, uh, hey guys. Uh, what about Katrina Radke? Who?

I dare you. Katrina Radke. I'll read you from SurvivorWiki. com. Um, the Katrina Radkee, fun fact, is the second ever Olympian to play Survivor

following Crystal Cox. See, I think this might have been. Katrina Radke, my apologies go out to you. I think you were maybe not on the season long enough. Katrina Radke swam for the USA for 1985 through 1981 and the 1988 1988 Olympics.

What's that? Soul? To Olympa. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know those. Did she win anything? I don't think so. If you won something, I think they, that's, they lead with that. Yeah, that is true. Yeah, she just represented the United States. Okay, so yeah, okay.

She's down there. She can go and... Hey, we wanted to get to 18. We took Jimmy Johnson out. She did win gold medals in the Pan Pacific Championships. Okay. So in 1985 in Tokyo, but nothing in the Olympics, from what I can tell. All right.

Well, all right, we got around that 18. Katrina Racky, better or worse than Tyler Fredrickson. She went to an Olympics. She went to an Olympics. Sure. We'll give her Tyler. She was in the pool at the Olympics. She got in the pool in Seoul.

Tyler Fredrickson got on the field for the cow bears. Although I suppose that's not professional football, but. Yeah. Okay. Better words than Julia Landauer. I would go with Julia Landauer. I would. Shout out to Julia Landauer.

I'm just thinking in my head, like, what have we not seen? that's surprising on Survivor. Are you surprised that we have not ever gotten a pro golfer on Survivor? No, no. And I'm, I may be like an old golfer, but. John Daly shows up for Survivor 57. Golfers just don't seem like the kind of like guys that that need Survivor. You know, like I feel like some of these athletes are, one, like, hey, Olympians don't make a ton of money.

You know, you still might be out there trying to try to go and get some money. Or you definitely just have this competitive sort of fire where you find the game of it all really entertaining. Golf is kind of like, I'm really good at this skill and I'm just going to chill. Why would I do anything but chill and enjoy my life? So I am surprised, like I said, Dallas Cowboys cheerleader that we haven't had a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader. That surprises me. But we've had other professional cheerleaders, just not specifically from Dallas. Yeah, I guess we have.

I believe Brenda Lowe was a Dolphins cheerleader. That's right. Yeah, I think that's- Eric Kay was the cheerleader somewhere. Yeah, I think we've had definitely people who are, you know, cheerleaders or, I want to say Natalie Tenerelli might have been like a Laker girl. I can see that.

Yeah. So, you know, do we need like an e-sports representative coming soon? And what about, didn't you have one on your season? Did we? I don't know. Sure, sure, sure. Yeah. So, all right, let's give you the top 18.

Speaking of color commentary for challenges. Perfect. All right. Number 18, the great Tyler Fredrickson, friend of the pod. We love Tyler, number 18 in your program, number one in our hearts. Katrina Radke is number 17. Julia Landauer, better than 66th place, 16th place for Julia Landauer. Being to win is 15th place, which might be what.

she finished in Survivor David versus Goliath. 14th place, Brandon Cottom, 13th place, Grant Mattoes, 12th place, Crystal Cox, 11th place Danny McCray, 10th place Scott Pollard, 9th place Gary Hogueboom, 8th place, Alan Ball, 7th place John Rocker, 6th place Elizabeth Beisle, 5th place Tom Laidlaw, 4th place Steve Wright, 3rd place, Brad Culpepper, second place, Uncle Cliffie, Cliff Robinson, and number one, the greatest pro athlete to ever play Survivor. Jeff Kent. What a week for Jeff Kent.

Hey, he's got 60% of this championship. Hey, sorry, sorry I flipped my vote and got you voted out, pal. Was Jeff Kent, was he, he was part of the famous scene. I haven't seen Philippines in a long time where, where Carter, like, says that they're voting for Jeff right in front of him? No, I think that Penner and Carter. I think it's Penner and Carter

and that Carter says to Penner, I believe that Carter's like, well, I'm either going to vote for for Penner or Katie. Oh, that's right. That's right. I'd hate to lose Katie. So good.

So good. I need to rewatch. that season. I haven't seen Philippines in a long time. Yeah. Okay. Sam Phelan. Tell the people where they could keep up with you. Yeah. Well, I'm very active, mainly really only on Twitter X. So

Sam underscore Phelan there. I'm going to be tweeting a lot of Survivor 50 coming up, going to be tweeting some traders. And there will be lots of sports spam on your timeline. And I'm sorry for it. But if you are a big sports fan, which I would hope that you

if you've made it this far into this podcast. Roundtable sports, come check me out over there because I've got Chicago sports coverage for you. Everything from NFL, MLB, a lot of college basketball takes. Is it anything like the Traders Roundtable? Like, are people then some people are like very wrong, but very strong in their convictions? Well, that is sports coverage in general.

It is one of the things I talked about in my Survivor casting. I think somebody brought up, hey, you know, like, people are going to really criticize you publicly. Guys, anytime I say anything, I've got people taking screenshots and, you know, calling me names online. This is, it's par for the course. Yeah, okay, par for the course. That's what the first pro golfer is going to say in his first confessional. Give me, yeah, 20 years from now, give me Max Homa in, on Survivor 81 or whatever it's going to be. All right.

Thank you so much for joining us. Looking forward to reading what you have to say in, the comments. I think this one might generate some feedback. I hope so. We let to see it. I would put you on the spot. I'm not going to, but I was going to put you on the spot and make you advocate for one of these players to get a second chance playing survivor.

Oh, I mean, let me see. Of the people that are eligible to come back and get a second. I think that just real quick looking at the list, I think that Danny McCray, somebody who he was, he could have won his season. been, you know, honing his craft on the challenge. And I think that he would be a great person to come back. I think that a second place, it's tough to get to a second one here. I wonder if could Brad Culpepper have a third act? I hope so. I would sign up for Brad Colpepper around three. I think people came around on him by the end of that season. Not that jury of that

season. But I think if they had a re-vote today, I think he would win. I think so too. And I, I thoroughly enjoyed Brad Cole Pepper watch. I'm so impressed with, uh, with what he did on game changers. And that was, I was, I was reminiscing about the second chance ballot. Yeah. Um, very controversial to bring him back in general after the, the public was kind of like, nope, we're good. We'll take, uh, there were some people on that ballot. I found the choices very peculiar. like Jim Rice never got another chance. We never got to see Tiberg Cooper back, but they decided to force us, Trojan and Cole Pepper.

Yep, okay. All right, thank you so much for joining us. Take care, but have a good one. Bye.