RHAP: We Know Survivor - Why ___ Lost: Survivor 47 Ep 11

Episode Date: December 1, 2024

Some people may think it’s obvious why Kyle lost, so do David Bloomberg and Jessica Lewis really need to do a whole podcast on this? The answer, of course, is YES! What’s supposedly obvious never tells the whole story. Even Rachel said this week that the decision was nuanced. What did Kyle do – and not do – to end up in a situation where his only option was winning challenges? Was there any way he could’ve changed the outcome? At RHAP, we know Survivor, and we know Why Kyle Lost.

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Welcome back to Why Blank Lost. I'm David Bloomberg, and I hope those of you who are celebrating Thanksgiving the past few days had a great one. From the sound of things, days had a great one. From the sound of things, Kyle has a great many things to be thankful for in his life. But the outcome of this week's vote was not one of them. I, however, am thankful to be joined, as always, by my co-host, Jessica Lewis. Yes, I am here. I am back. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to celebrate Thanksgiving the way that I had intended due to the weather.

So unfortunately for myself and my family, we were not together on the holiday. However, we did FaceTime and that was lovely. But I don't know why I still live in New York. I question it. I really do. Like the weather is just awful here. It's just terrible. But anyway, I hope everyone did enjoy it despite bad weather in certain places because I know it was truly problematic for people and traveling issues. Yeah. Alright, well, jumping into

this right now because we're already a little delayed thanks to the holiday. But some people may be listening right now and saying well it's obvious why kyle lost do we really need a whole podcast on this now that won't be most people because if you're actually listening to this you already know that those are mostly the

people who just post comments without listening so yeah but to those who might ask, I say, yes, we do need a whole podcast on this because what's supposedly obvious almost never tells the whole story. Even Rachel said in tribal council this week, I definitely had discussions today about people who were not Kyle, who were seriously considered. So I don't think it was just Kyle doesn't win immunity and we're voting out Kyle. It was more nuanced than that. So yeah, our discussion will look into some of those nuances. If it was so obvious, why was anyone else's name considered?

Why did two of the five members of the underdog alliance advocate for someone else and was there anything kyle could have done differently to change the outcome to answer all those questions and more we will compare kyle's game to my rules for winning that i originally wrote way back after season one and have been updating ever since using all the non spoiler information available to us from what we saw on TV, interviews, social media, and secret scenes. And the newest version can, of course, be found at robhazwebsite.com slash yxlostspeed and clicking on the link bubble for the survivor rules. Now, I mentioned interviews in there. We should mention that this is the rare situation where we are recording this podcast before Kyle's

interviews come out, obviously because of Thanksgiving. So it's slightly possible that he could say something that would add to one rule or another. However, out of all the possible scenarios for someone voted out this particular week and us not having access to interviews yet, I think Kyle is the best one, just for these purposes. Because I don't expect him to suddenly reveal like he had a whole bunch of secret alliances or hidden moves or something that will alter our overall analysis here. Agreed. Completely agreed.

So, all right. But before we address how Kyle did in terms of the rules we always have some other things to discuss from the episode and i want to start with andy again because he has become such a central character and it's kind of hard to say what we're supposed to make of him like some people are saying he's obviously going to win. Some people are saying he's obviously a zero vote finalist. Some people are saying things in between. And over the course of the past two episodes or a few episodes, it seemed like he was rising in power. But then we heard Genevieve talking about how people think he's good to bring to the end as essentially a goat. She didn't say that word,

but this obviously undercuts what we've been shown about Andy having a good story arc to overcome his earlier situation. And once he found out about what she said, he got upset and he said, I've been playing a game that nobody is seeing and i'm sick of it i'm sick of being underestimated in this game the thing is he may think it's ridiculous but he has to convince everybody else to abandon their perceptions because he said it he was playing a game that nobody else is seeing well that's great to keep your threat level low but if nobody else is seeing it well then you're gonna have situations like Genevieve

and maybe worse when you get to the end it is a very difficult tightrope to walk and I do think that Andy is very reminiscent of Xander who we saw a very similar type of edit occurring where we were watching the show thinking wow zander might actually have a chance if he makes it to the final three and then we find out after the fact that everyone wanted to bring zander because nobody thought zander was going to win and we didn't get any little hints like we did this episode with that one i mean that was a big big hint that janabee dropped that what we are seeing might not necessarily be what everyone on the island is seeing because a lot of what we see from andy is happening in confessionals and there are discussions that he's having one on one with with individuals. But he seems to be building himself up a lot in his confessionals.

And that's where I think a lot of that belief is necessarily coming from, is that Andy is doing this and Andy is doing that. And I have the best relationship with Sue and Caroline right now. And but does he? I don't know. That's what he's saying. And so I do think that Genevieve saying that, I don't think that was just coming from Genevieve wanting to point the finger in a different direction. She's very aware that she's one of the targets. So for her to be saying, listen, let's go after the people who are taking those those third spots away from us. who are taking those third spots away from us, let's focus on them,

I think is a very, very honest depiction and explanation of what we're just not seeing. Right. Yeah, I mean, this whole Andy thing makes me think back to the Annika vote, where he had this elaborate, but totally unnecessary scheme to fool her and Rachel. And he thought he had really done something there. And we said at the time like what was that

that was a big nothing now we're seeing these conflicting views of Andy from others compared to what he thinks of himself so I wonder if looking back that was a sign of things to come like he'll be in the final three and say I fooled Annika and Sierra and sam will be on the jury like um no you know yeah right on the other hand the confusing thing to me is when he did it it wasn't portrayed in like a clowny way but as if it was serious and that's why we were so confused because we're like why is the show making it out like he has really pulled this off when we know he didn't well and i'm curious i'm not trying to cut you off but i am curious if we're coming back to the edit portion of it because perhaps cbs doesn't want the winner to be

so incredibly obvious and so maybe they're trying to balance the edit out a little bit more and make it appear as if someone else could be winning. My sister said to me, she's like, oh, Andy's totally winning. And she's someone who is a casual watcher of Survivor. She loves the show, but she doesn't delve into anything beyond watching the program itself. She'll talk to me about it occasionally, but she's just watching the edit. watching the edit. And so I think that perhaps that is something else that could be happening is that they're just trying to make it a little more like, oh, who could win depending on who the three that are sitting there. I mean, that could be, that could be the other thing is maybe,

maybe your sister's right. And he does win and they're showing it to bolster the idea that he has been doing things even though we're sitting here like, but has he really? Right. But if he's doing things and they don't know, he is going to have a really hard tribal council, which you've already spoke on. So if he's maybe incredible in his final tribal and convinces everyone, I've done all of these things and they finally see it. I don't know.

Well, and that's the thing. We are also hearing some very intelligent things from him. For example, he told us this week, I'm a numbers guy, but I can't just sit here and algorithmically determine the correct path because there's so much variance. And all this variance comes from the people themselves. People are tricky because they have all these different priorities and not everyone out here is an AI agent playing to optimize their win condition. And yeah, it's important that people recognize this. It's like, and I'm sure I've used this example before, it's like trying to play poker against someone who doesn't really know how to play. You can assume they will play what's called game theory optimal, but you'll be wrong a lot. Like you can look at their cards and say well with those cards

and that board they're going to do this and then they don't know any better and you end up like oh okay i did not expect that right and the same is true survivor you know if that people don't always play optimally yes yeah and i think it's going to be an interesting last few episodes to see where he ends up and how things shake out, because I am very curious about this group of of people who are left, because there is this idea that if two of them are the two people that everyone else wants to go to the end with, it's going to become very, very interesting when they have to start cutting people that they necessarily want to play with and have been playing with. But now they're like, but I don't want to sit next to them. I need to sit next to these two. I'm very intrigued, to say the least.

Yes. I do want to also add with Andy, during tribal council, he said another very smart thing. You have to be not at the top, not on the bottom, and figure out a way to get through and not have a shot to win it, or have a shot to win at the end. Not a direct quote, a summary there.

But this is a good kind of paraphrasing of several of my rules. you can't be seen as too much of a threat you can't be outside the core group you need to ensure you're in a good position to win and again he's saying smart things and i don't understand why the show would portray him that way if he's going to end up as a supposed goat at the end i'm telling you he's reminding me so much of xander i was so convinced that xander was going to do so much better and then xander didn't get any votes so it's certainly possible see i don't remember my feelings on xander at the time i feel like at the time i knew xander was not getting anything but

that could, my memory could be tainted by what we learned afterwards. So we can also look at Owen. Owen was another one too, right? Where he was getting good content. Owen was a Charlie Brown. And I think he would acknowledge that like Owen and Jake, they were portrayed as, I think everyone knew they were going to be zero vote finalists for a while. Right.

But I will say, though, that there is a very heavy edit regarding Andy, just as there was a very heavy edit regarding those three individuals. Yeah. And they can certainly pick and choose what they want to show. But in his confessionals, again, Andy's selling himself. And so that's what we are seeing so much of i don't know i mean we know jake wasn't selling himself right he was very self-deprecating when he would talk about himself and and so i do think that those confessionals end up becoming much more significant in how you necessarily view what they're doing because you're

you're hearing it from this person and going oh well is that like again caroline and sue like is that really what's going on is that really what's happening and so if we are being told the story more from andy's perspective well that's the way he sees it right not necessarily the way everyone else sees it and right now if you know that sierra is well we know sierra is on the jury and then if sam ends up over there they're going to be able to say a lot of things about Andy that other people might not necessarily know. And Rachel too, depending on where she ends up. So I do think that there is some issue there

that could be related to the edit. Maybe he's just, maybe he's a Kaiser Sose and he's going to get in there and just knock it out of the park and end up winning. But it is very, very interesting the way that they have portrayed him. And we've said it all along. When people like Andy play this game, you need to get rid of them right away. Because it's like when you have that individual at the very beginning who you think you can, I can utilize this person. I can save this person. I can tuck them under my wing and they will be my second vote. No, no, no, no, no, no. You're not helping

anyone. You're not helping yourself. Just cut your, cut your losses because guess what? That person's going to come back later and make it very difficult for you, which we've seen Andy do. Yeah. Now you mentioned Sierra on the jury. And I know that when Andy said one thing at tribal council, a bunch of people online like jumped on him because they said he should not have admitted to lying to the jurors. Ah, yes. I, I think what he did was perfectly fine. As a matter of fact,

I was happy with it because the jurors already knew he lied to them. Right. Right. And a surprise. So if i were on the jury i would rather he admit it and chalk it up to gameplay then try to claim something like oh i've never lied to anyone you know yeah or avoid it so i know we saw sierra's reaction to it um which was negative i think sierra is always going to have a negative reaction to Andy, no matter what happens, but the others. Okay. You know, yes, you lied to me. Good job. You know? Right. Right. But maybe we were,

maybe we were supposed to see Sierra's reaction as the jury overall as like, Hmm, that wasn't a good thing to say. Right. Yeah. No, I agree with that very much so moving on from andy um a primary focus of this episode was of course rachel uh first of all she had a much better rock draw result this time uh it was good to get the one different rock this time uh and she ended up with the block of vote advantage which is it really going to be useful who knows uh but she also blocked one of the other people from getting the block of vote so right sure much more important than that i think she is in prime position to keep moving forward in the game she's in a trio with andy and teeny she's also in a trio with caroline and sue

and she's of course with all four of them together in the underdog so she's basically the intersection of the two trios there which means she's about as set as she can be and if things continue this way she will have the option deciding which way to go as they get near the end. You know, there's a reason a lot of people have their eyes on her as a potential winner right now. Yes. And she also does have a relationship with Genevieve and Sam, because I think Genevieve and Sam are trying to. Well, they have to at this point. They have to look at the the underdogs and decide how do we switch things up and what can we do. And Genevieve is trying to sell that. Why are we letting other people steal that third spot narrative, which I'm sure she's probably talking to Sam about as well.

And Rachel certainly, I don't think, fits one of those third spot places. And so maybe they're going to try to butter her up a little bit and talk to her about that possibility. And I think that she would listen. I'm not saying she would do it. I don't think they might actually approach her. I don't think she'll buy it. I think she is in a great position right now. Oh, somehow.

100%. You know, a few episodes we were scratching our head and saying, why is everyone calling Rachel a threat? She hasn't really done anything to be called a threat. And now I'm scratching my head going, why is Rachel one of the underdogs? She's one of the biggest threats out there. But that's what I'm saying. That's why Genevieve and Sam, I think, will be comfortable approaching her and trying to convince her, like, listen, we should go to the end together because we were all on the same playing field and we're all even.

So she's in an even better spot because of that, because they aren't going to be targeting her. They're going to be trying to convince her to target somebody else. Yeah. And she's going to be like, no, I don't want an even playing field. I have my playing field. Thank you. Right.

Right. Exactly. Yeah. So, all right. Do you have anything or anyone else you want to discuss before we get to the rules? I just really liked how this entire episode felt. It felt very kind of deep. And I felt like the play.

And I, and I, maybe that sounds silly, but i feel like we're we were hearing from so many of the players about how draining this game is because of the mental component the emotional component there's there's a whole lot of discussion about trying to keep emotion out of it and they can't and how hard it is and i just felt like we were really seeing like this realization that gosh this is a hard game like this this will really break you down and i just appreciated that we were seeing that and that probably stems from the 90 minute episodes but it just felt it just felt better because it felt like there was more to it than just a challenge and and some free hot dogs or you know this is what the winner's

gonna get or whatever and um i i liked it a lot i just thought it was very i thought it just felt different and it felt more meaningful for all of the players when they were talking about yeah their end game it's not often you get to see someone's literal villain origin story. And we saw that with Genevieve. She was like, I chose to stop having a heart and become a villain. You know, it's like, yeah, it's like, dang, she's going to be fighting Batman next. Yes. And they also I think it's very interesting. And I'm curious if this, again, goes to the edit, right?

If perhaps this is becoming more of a significant component because they all gave up their shots in the dark for the rice, right? And so all of the people that are now going, gosh, darn it, I probably needed that. So I'm sure Jeff is just loving that component. Oh, yeah. That they're kicking themselves for giving up something that we've complained about so much, about it even being introduced into the game, that now players are like, oh, I shouldn't have traded Rice for that. Yeah. So. Calling all sellers.

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some of it in my YouTube shorts at David Bloomberg TV. Some of it's already there. Like just, you know, this morning before traveling and recording this, I posted about the Andy situation and, you know, him complaining about being seen as a goat. So, you know, you can go to my YouTube shorts to see that. Before we get to how Kyle did, we do want to mention that the rules we're about to discuss come in a shorter and much more colorful version in poster form. They do. And as we've hinted over the past couple of weeks,

these posters are now on sale for the holiday. On sale. That's right. We started as a Black Friday sale. Now it's a Cyber Monday sale. And then it'll be every day, the engine-wise to the holiday thing. Yes, and we've made a couple of sales. So people are definitely taking advantage of the sale price.

So please jump on that, order it, buy it for your loved ones. It's a great holiday gift. Just buy it for yourself as a little holiday gift. It's lovely. So yes, please. It is 20% off. So that's only $16 plus shipping. Go to robhizerwebsite.com slash YX lost feed, scroll down to the poster, click on it and order it. And you know, our shipping department, you know, order it soon. So our shipping department there isn't running to the post office, you know, right up against the Christmas deadline, which is also the same as the Hanukkah deadline this year.

So, you know, I was looking at these dates and I'm thinking, my gosh, I need to really get going on this stuff. really yes get going on this stuff um in addition you can scroll down on that page and find the poster on a t-shirt and the checklist on a t-shirt and i was right that rjp is running a uh patron only uh black friday cyber monday deal now i think it may only go till Cyber Monday, which means hopefully you are listening to this right now or you already know about it because you're a patron. And so, you know, there's a percent off on those shirts. They are separate from the poster. But also, if you're not a patron, there is a big special, you know,

a holiday special of 47% off for your first month for becoming a patron. Again, I don't remember the deadline on that. So look into it, do it quickly. Uh, you know, just to make sure that you, you get all these deals. Listen, I have to tell you a funny story before we get to Kyle, because this is about you, David Bloomberg and deals and sales. I was going to say a funny story about me. Wait a minute. Yes. So I happened to be in Sam's club with my husband maybe a week ago. And there were these two massive bags of your favorite candy. Which one? Candy corn, candy corn, those nasty little things. i and i was like look at these they were like on crazy sale and i was gonna buy them and my husband's like are you insane do you see how

heavy those are they're like four pounds of like each you're gonna mail those to bloomberg you might as well just go on amazon and buy them one because you're not going to save any money right I was like damn yes my anyway a couple of holidays ago so my wife always makes a particular dessert um that it's a type of cookie that the and she brings it for uh various family members and for whatever holiday it was uh we either we couldn't go or she forgot I don't remember but she wanted to get those out. So she baked them all and, you know, put them into Tupperware containers. And I went to the post office and went, how much, how much is it? Oh, yes. Yes. So I send cookies every Christmas. And I, at this point, I've just, I could send you cookies. I'm just kidding.

I send cookies to my relatives that live far away from me. I do send them cookies. But it is a very expensive shipping, for sure. Yes. Yes. But it's the holidays. Maybe that'll be the next one. Why Blank Lost Cookies by Jessica.

We'll work on that for next year. In the meantime, if you want the poster or anything else, again, go to Rob has website.com slash YX lost. And maybe I'll just order you your bad candy on Amazon. No, that's okay.

I have some still. So you and circus peanuts and candy. Yeah. Yeah. I just got fun things like Kyle. I got some mint mini marshmallows at trader joe's so well that's not terrible no you drove those in like a hot chocolate that's i can get behind that or in my mouth i i don't think i would want to just eat mint marshmallows i don't oh i do

just saying to each their own exactly all right well moving on from food uh you know we feel like we're on survivor where they're just always discussing food because they don't have any i know i can just go up to my pantry and get some um especially after that trader joe's run um uh all right so in the beginning of this episode, Kyle said, I feel like I need to win every single immunity. And, you know, by the time he said it, yes, he did. But the real question is how he got to that point. How did he end up in a situation where the only option he had was outside the scope of gameplay and rested solely on his competitive abilities. It went beyond just his ability to win challenges.

And even more than being in his words, a family man with a good story, what did he do and not do to put himself in that position at RH RHAP, we know Survivor and we know why Kyle lost. So we might as well go out of order for the second week in a row and start our discussion with Rule 6, which of course warns against being too much of a threat. Kyle obviously violated this rule, but it wasn't just winning challenges,

though that was certainly the most obvious part of it. Other players and Kyle himself knew there was more to it. Teeny did a good job of summarizing most of the reasons after Kyle didn't win immunity this time by saying it is beyond overdue for us to take Kyle out. Getting Kyle out will be a way to help all of our odds in this game, because I don't think there's any beating Kyle in this game. He's too good of a competitor. He's got too good of a story and people just like Kyle.

I almost felt like that, that Saturday night live skit, you know, you're like Kyle looking in a mirror. You're too good of a competitor and gosh, darn it. People like me. Right. They do. Except Sue. Yes. Yes, exactly. So let's break down this rule in terms of the way Teeny spoke about it. We'll start with competitions.

He was lauded as the big threat challenge, having won immunity four times. Of course, he didn't actually win against everyone all four times, such as Split Tribe, where he actually would come in. He had little asterisks next to one of those. Yeah, he would have come in third place

if he had been against the whole group. Nevertheless, he was tagged with the perception of winning a lot. And I think it's true that he had overall the best chance of winning a random challenge compared to everyone else as teeny told the other players with him gone everyone will have a better chance of immunity and that is very fair because i do think that one thing to always be mindful of is you want immunity the closer you get to the end right and if there's someone who is potentially getting in your way of that that's one factor One thing to always be mindful of is you want immunity the closer you get to the end, right?

And if there's someone who is potentially getting in your way of that, that's one factor that you can usually point to. But I think Kyle was very accurate in his descriptions when he was, I believe, talking to the group at camp about how there are survivors from past seasons who have won almost every single immunity at the end and then they don't end up winning so it doesn't necessarily mean you're going to win the game if you're winning immunities however that means you're sitting in the final three so you're taking that spot and so it's that weird like yeah maybe you don't win but you've taken that spot away from someone else so it's certainly something to consider for people who might not win immunity, but want to. And if he's in their way, well, then having him gone is certainly helpful. Yes, exactly.

And, you know, it brings up the question, what what is really the chance that Kyle would win out? Andy tried to explain it to the other underdogs, saying it was highly unlikely that he would win all the way to the end. Caroline misunderstood him, and so did many viewers. It even took me a rewatch before I got what he was saying. He basically assigned Kyle a 50-50 chance of winning any given immunity challenge. I think someone mentioned on the post-show podcast that this was based off of him winning two out of the four times when it was just him against other individuals um all the other individuals but either way andy then multiplied

that out 50 times 50 times 50 times 50 that's how he got to the 6.25 and i agree with him that as a from a general standpoint the odds of of Kyle winning every single immunity challenge to the end are pretty small. But the thing is, he doesn't have to win them all to cause a problem. Brian B mentioned to me on Blue Sky, you know, well, if you don't vote him out now and he wins two straight immunity challenges, well, now your underdog alliance five have to turn on each other at final six instead of final five. Yep.

And, you know, as Brian B said, it completely flips the dynamic within your group. It upsets your path to the end as far as interpersonal dynamics. Suddenly you're talking about a very different situation. And you know what? If I were out there playing and andy convinced me and then kyle actually did that i'd be like screw you andy i'm voting you out because i told you this was

gonna happen right and that's a very very fair point yeah um now also without even considering any other aspect of the game, anyone winning that many challenges gains a sort of an aura around them. As the numbers whittle down, as you said, you, everybody wants immunity and that winner has more and more power. Plus it just gets to be impressive. Even if you go in and say well i'm going to vote completely on strategy if you see someone who wins out to get to the end who mike holloway's themselves there yeah you're going to be like well damn that was impressive right and also if we get down to the point where he has to make, let's say he wins immunity and he gets to decide who's going to make fire.

Right. Exactly. Love that so much. And his his idea is that he brings the best to the end. He said that from the beginning, his pregame interviews, that he wasn't he didn't want to be involved in in just bringing people to the end that he knew he could be. He wanted he's of the mindset you should be sitting next to the best. And so that in and of itself is scary for anyone who's like not a Genevieve and not a Sam and not a Rachel. You know, we're there. So it's it's that mindset as well. You put him in that position of power. as well, you put him in that position of power, he is going to be making a decision that is not necessarily beneficial for the people who are in that underdog group necessarily. Right.

Now, going back to Teenie's quote about why they couldn't let Kyle get to the end, the second factor mentioned was in terms of Kyle being a threat is that he's got too good of a story and people just like him and as kyle himself said on the show i've been so vulnerable with my story and the reason why i'm here they know it's an excellent story and that a family man is a dangerous person to have in the end game and he's right uh while i don't subscribe to the idea that some people have that the jury is just giving the win to the person that they like the most, it would be very difficult not to take that into account as at least one of the factors with his family and life story, you know, when considering how to award the prize at the

end. You know, by being so open and sharing that story with everyone, Kyle ensured that they all knew what they'd be up against if they went to the end with him. Yes. And then he made it even more highlighted after his vote, because you just listen to him speak from the heart the way that he was. And how would that just not melt people who are sitting on the jury? It would be it would be a very, very tough situation to combat and try to be like, but but wait, look at me. What about me? And, you know, over here?

Yeah, I think that that was definitely a very real concern for anyone sitting next to him in the end. Yeah, I mean, I know that they did not see the end of 46, but we did. And one of our criticisms of that jury was that some of them voted based on the answer to what are you going to do with the money? Yeah. It's not something I like, but they get to vote however they want, you know, and I can understand doing it if it's like, well, I think you both played an equal game, so therefore I need something to, you know, but okay. You know? And, and so, so yeah, anyone knows, you know, who knows the history of survivor knows it does come up. Um, so now there is one type of threat that we haven't mentioned,

and that is being a strategic threat uh we will obviously discuss that uh in a few minutes uh in rule one but kyle himself made the case in tribal council that he was not one uh the ironic thing it was that as kyle argued the point and also argued the point that you just made a couple minutes ago. He showed that he understands at least some of the strategy of the game. And by doing so, he kind of made himself more of a strategic threat. Or I guess I would say he had the potential to become one. If he had somehow made it past this vote, then I think there would have been a reason

to worry about his strategic game or at least the perception that he had used strategy to get past a situation where he should have been the obvious person voted out yeah and i do think that there's a lot to be said just about the honest nature in which he played this game which he's not someone who's like an andy or scratching her head going well how does everyone game, which he's not someone who's like an Andy or scratching her head going, well, how does everyone else perceive him? He's very vocal about what his thoughts are and what he thinks the game should be and how people should play the game. He's not trying to hide any of that.

And so I do think that that would definitely have could have crept into that people would have thought it was more strategic than he necessarily even thought it was himself yes yes now this leads us back to the overall aspect of what teeny said in that quote about kyle that there's no beating him in the end and again if he'd made it past this tribal council and somehow made it to final three obviously it would depend somewhat on who he was up against and how he got there but if he actually convinced people to keep him and then at the end said he used his social or strategic skills to do it, I think that's a win right there that on top of everything else, or really,

even if he didn't say it, if there was the perception that he did, you know, we heard last week, Gabe saying, if Kyle is at the end, he wins and Genevieve adding, if he's there, I'm voting for him. Yeah. So just letting him get past this point adds to his threat level. Yes. 100%. All right. Well, we can now move back to the top of the

rules and talk about the first and most important one, which is, of course, the scheme and plot. A few minutes ago in rule six, I quoted Kyle talking about being open and a family man, being dangerous at the end. He finished that statement, which I didn't quote yet, by saying, so now it's time to step away from my physical abilities and just try to get into the social game of this. Now, first, I don't think he meant the social game as we talk about it, but rather the strategic game, the way he was talking about it. It only makes sense if he truly meant the strategic game, which is kind of an indication that he didn't really separate the two and part of the problem. But the thing is, you can't just wait until you're vulnerable to suddenly decide, oh, now I'm going to play this very important aspect of Survivor. Right. That's

something you need to be doing the whole time. Last week, we talked about how this rule says you need to play the game from your very first few minutes there. Like Gabe, when he made the alliance with Sue right away. Yeah. Kyle didn't do that. He was kind of the opposite. He said in episode two, the strategizing is the hardest part. I can live in the jungle. But the thing is living in the jungle is not the point of survivor.

Strategizing is. Right. And you need to have a good combination of both because you are a great asset to your tribe if you are able to live in the jungle for sure but you also need to remember you're playing a game for a million dollars and that's going to come with some strategy components as well It's not just about how well you can collect and chop coconuts and keep people fed and warm. It is about all of the other delicious components of Survivor, which make it Survivor.

And that's the strategy. Yeah, I mean, right from the start, Kyle was left out of the vote against TK. This put him in a bad position within his tribe. But then Gabe offered him a lifeline and asked him to turn on Tiana. Instead of going along with it kyle rejected it and tried to get everyone else to turn on gabe completely missing the actual

tribal dynamics of gabe having a locked-in majority on that tribe right yeah you know now it ended up not mattering at that point because they didn't go back to tribal council before the merge and you know by that time he did manage to ingratiate himself more with gabe um and and the other three toku uh aside from tiana but it illustrates the point that he did not understand how to play strategically well and i think though we could give him a little bit of i don't know a pat on the back here for trying. Like he came up with what he thought was strategically better for him, but he was missing what was going on. Like the big picture.

Was it strategically better? Or was he just annoyed that Gabe was suddenly turning on Tiana? Oh, well that it might've just been Sharon Orants, but in his mind, maybe he thought he was playing survivor. Yeah. It certainly could Survivor. Yeah. Yeah, it certainly could have been.

Yeah. Now, the full ramifications of Kyle not understanding the strategic game didn't really hit home until this week. Until now, he's either won immunity or was saved by others who wanted to make their own move. Not by himself, you know, by others. But when he really had to fight for his game life this time, there was nothing he could do.

He kept pushing the idea that you said earlier. Oh, let's, let's do it this way. Let's do it that way. Let's flip the script. Let's make a different play. Yeah. But you know what? He could say that however many times he wanted to. And he said it a lot. It just wasn't going to work he didn't have the strategic connections to make it right and at that point the strategy is so far ahead of him with what everybody else is doing that it's like you're it's like you're running after a train and you're trying to jump on it's not going to work for you because they're

already going and they're like why do we need to change things now? Like, we're good. Like, we know what we're doing. And this is why the conversation we had earlier about Rachel. Like, yeah, I don't think that Rachel will necessarily change the trajectory that she's moving on. But that's not going to stop other people from trying to do that. And so I think he's just, it's like he got there a little too late

because he wasn't doing it at the beginning because he didn't have to. And when he had to, it was just everyone was already on their way. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, this week, Kyle talked about how he used to be a different person when he was being tossed around in foster care. But once he stabilized his life, he put that part of himself away. However, he said he remembered, quote, I do have the ability to lie. I do have the ability to manipulate and I do have the ability to deceive. He talked to Andy about how the game brought out a side of him he didn't want his family to see and doesn't want

to exist in the real world. And Andy wisely told him, you know, they know it's two different things. But again, the problem for Kyle was it was too too little too late by the time he decided to bring out that side of himself to use your metaphor the train had already passed yeah you know all he had left was uh talking to other people the train left behind you know sam and genevieve about oh let's keep the biggest threats around which of course was an obvious thing for him to say, but it just wasn't much of a strategy at that point. Right, yeah. All right, well, we can move to the second rule,

which says not to scheme and plot too much and to keep your scheming secret. While we just talked about how Kyle didn't scheme and plot enough, there were one or maybe two aspects where he actually did it too much and both particularly relate to the same person back at the very beginning of the merge we of course remember how Rome was trying to get dirt on people and spread it around he spoke to Kyle and at his

urging Kyle told Rome that Sam was the most threatening and Tiana, excuse me, as well. Plus, he said that Sue and Caroline were close and some other things. Basically, Rome set a trap and Kyle walked right into it. We talked a bit about it at the time, but you can't just give away information like that when someone new walks up to you and starts asking you questions. like that when someone new walks up to you and starts asking you questions you're i mean this is like you know it's like the police officer walking up to the guy and saying uh so did did you see anything there and they're just like yes i saw it all because i was the lookout and you know i was like where is he going with oh the look the look. Yeah, that I see. Yeah. Yeah. If you're the look at, you might want to not just immediately pony up all the information, you know, and he just,

he gave it all away. Your mind needs to be in the game and you have to think about what might be happening. You know, once Rome started spreading those things and it got back to Kyle, Kyle said, I'm one of the biggest dumb asses here. And I'm sorry, but he was not far off the mark since he never should have told Rome all those things. Well, and what I think Kyle suffers from is just nice guy syndrome, right? Like he just is a nice guy. He's very, he reminded me of JT during his pregame interviews. Like he's just someone who is just nice. And I know we're not at that rule yet, but I think that because he is so nice and trusting and wants to believe other people are the same way, he didn't think Rome was setting the trap for him. He was like, Oh, Rome's just

talking to me. And then I'll talk to Rome about the things that I know, because this is what we do. We tell them things that we know. And then afterwards he realized, Oh no, wait, this is survivor. You don't do that when you're playing survivor, because people will use that against We tell them things that we know. And then afterwards he realized, oh, no, wait, this is Survivor. You don't do that when you're playing Survivor because people will use that against you. And I do think that that is a very hard lesson for people when they are playing this game, that you have to be thinking five steps ahead when someone is having a conversation with you and think, what are they going to do with this information, if anything? And perhaps you want them to do something with that information, but you have to express it in a way that they don't know that.

And so I just don't feel like Kyle was approaching this game necessarily in that way. He's just being a nice guy and he's having a conversation. Yes, I agree with you. However, there was one allegation of a time when he was not being a nice guy. And that is another aspect to this discussion that may or may not be true. We don't know. In Rome's exit interviews, he claimed Kyle said some additional things that weren't shown about Sue and others. And then he wouldn't even talk about them, which just leaves it hanging there. We don't know what they might or might not be. I am not going to speculate. But what we do know is Sue was already mad at Kyle for voting

against him in that first tribal council. He probably did not expect something like that would cause like a lifelong vendetta against him, but she sure thought so. Another possibility is that the vote was just the start and whatever Rome might have spread around that Kyle supposedly said may have compounded those feelings. Now, again, we don't know. We may never know, but I just wanted to put it in there so people didn't say, oh, well, you're ignoring this part. It's possible. Either way, whether it was just because of the vote or because of something else, we never saw Kyle make a particular effort to make amends with Sue. Though, of course, he could tell us differently in his exit interviews. Sure.

She might have just been like, sure, whatever, and then rolled her eyes. Still, we saw how much she held on to her feelings about him. You might not think it would matter if Sue was mad at him, but we have to remember she was in the newly formed underdogs Alliance and everybody in her Alliance and in the game and outside of the game and throughout Fiji and through the world knew how pissed she would be if they didn't go along with voting out Kyle at this point. So even with Rachel and Andy talking about how they considered Genevieve to be a bigger threat overall, trying to change things on Sue would have blown up that alliance before it even got started. Yes. And so they are thinking those five steps ahead right

so we can if we can placate this person now that's fine because it's not going to affect what we're doing next because we can always do that other person next because we still have the majority yes all right well we have uh next third rule which tells players to be flexible so how do you think kyle did in terms of this rule i don't think he did very well i mean you've already you already mentioned the opportunity that was handed to him from gabe and he just was like yep nope not doing that because he had a relationship with tk and didn't so it's i do feel like he had a very big difficulty realizing when he needed to be flexible in this game and not necessarily just play with his heart or with with his. I mean, he's a nice guy and we've already said that. well and didn't necessarily follow the rules relative to flexibility at the beginning,

which then really became his demise towards the end because he lost that connection that he needed to move forward with someone like Gabe. I know that they still were a little bit close, but not what they could have been. They could have been much closer. And I also think that some of his interactions like Sue, when he approached Sue at one point, was basically like trying to tell her what to do. I just feel like he's he was struggling with this rule quite a bit and didn't necessarily understand the significance of it when it mattered the most. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Flexibility was not really Kyle thing. You know, Andy said this week that Kyle was a really Kyle thing. You know, Andy said this week that Kyle was a one dimensional player.

I wouldn't quite go that far. I think he had two dimensions winning challenges and being really likable. You know, the problem was two dimensions are not enough. Players need to be able to move in all different directions. We discussed in the first rule, how he just did not have that ability when it came to strategy no all right well the fourth rule tells players not to let their emotions control them uh kyle talked in this week's episode about how he had a hard time separating his emotions from the game earlier in the season and he added i'm realizing now that you have to separate your emotions

and who you were and you need to be able to adapt and be somebody that you need to be out here if you want to go the distance. There was a lot of different needs in there. Needs, and there was a lot of needs. But buried in there, there was a good epiphany for him to have that you need to put aside your emotions or separate them. The problem was, to add another need,

he needed to understand it before going into the game, not just before he was about to get voted out. Trying to put his emotions aside now to play the game doesn't help if he doesn't have any moves left to make right i feel like a lot of kyle's game was almost like a knee-jerk reaction to what was happening around him and so i think that this is another one of those moments where we see him going oh wait no i'm not supposed to do that i'll stop doing that now and it it's like, well, too late because it's already this far into the game

and you can't change that. And so I do think that he realized much too late into the game that you can't do that. And I think he also, and I don't know really the best way to make this make sense because he's playing emotionally, but I don't think he recognized

that other people weren were necessarily going to as well. Right. And so it was this kind of, if I'm just honest and I just say things, then people will just understand. But then he didn't realize that that can affect people as well. And look at Sue and how problematic their relationship became for whatever reason, whether it be the vote or something else and so i think that he forgot that other people might have that same response when they're playing

the game yeah yeah and that kind of leads us nicely to the fifth rule which reminds players they need to pretend to be nice and play the social game now we already already you know talked in the sixth rule about how much everybody likes him except sue um do you think that translated to the game in terms of this rule i think there is there is a world in which it did because people were considering the concern they had for him in the final three right and so if he's sitting in the end then people must be recognizing he's got he's got a great story but that means he's got it's got to be likable too right there's got to be something about him that would make people want to hear that story and go oh this guy like really

deserves this money and so there is this weird combination there that even though it might not have necessarily been the way he was playing the game, he couldn't put that part of him aside because he just was, that's who he was out there. But then the idea of him sitting in the final three, and I think he highlighted again, even though it was after the fact when he was voted out, what that final three could have looked like, because you would hear him say these things and you couldn't help but like the guy. like because you would hear him say these things and you couldn't help but like the guy. Yeah. Yeah. Now, you know, Kyle said back in episode two that he wanted to show nice people can win the game. I said at the time that nice people can and have won the game. The thing is

being nice in and of itself, isn't going to cut it. You still have to play. Yeah. And that includes the social aspects. You have to weaponize your niceness, turn it into something you can use in the game. Kyle didn't do that. Sure. Everybody except Sue loved him. They all lined up, even Sue, to give him a hug on the way out. But the key is that it didn't stop them from sending him on the way out. If anything, it made it easier to do because of the threat aspect

that you just mentioned. He needed to turn his friendships into game relationships, and he simply didn't do that. Right. Yeah. All right. Well, the seventh rule covers idols and advantages and game mechanics and kyle really didn't have much to do in terms of this rule uh we didn't see him

specifically looking for any but we also know gabe found the tuku tribe idol right away and then sue found the red paint idol so there really wasn't much point in showing anyone else on the tribe searching. I don't really have much to say about rule seven. Do you? No. And I'm curious at this point in time, there would be no reason for another idol to be back out in circulation, right? Well, you can't keep it. I can't keep it all straight anymore i mean there shouldn't be because like you know someone brought this up to me on on uh i think it was blue sky you know that

why are people not suspicious uh that someone has that red paint title and right but what's unfair about the red paint idol and you have to forgive me but that red paint idol. Right. But what's unfair about the red paint idol, and you have to forgive me, but that red paint idol was, and I could be completely misremembering all of these things, but that red paint idol was the Tuku idol. Yes.

And they went to the Tuku camp, so they don't then put another idol in play where now it's the merge. Okay. Right. But because of the timing, which I did not go back and check, I don't know the timing of when they found the red paint. They may think it was a merge idol.

They may not realize it was a to-ku idol. Oh, I see. Okay. And so they may not have it narrowed down to, oh, it must be Sue or Caroline who have this idol. Understood. You know, we don't know. We haven't seen conversation about it.

Right. But they don't put another idol out when it's a merge. Okay. Yeah. That was all I had to say about that then. Okay. All right. Well, we can move to Appendix A then.

And it's about the players keeping their end goals in mind when voting. And we talk about voting out the weak, then the strong, then the weak, then the strong. And at this point of the game, they should be voting out the strong threats like you know the guy we described when we talked about rule six about a half hour ago but we also know there were two people within the underdogs alliance who seemed to want genevieve to go instead and they had some decent arguments, although we somewhat shot down Andy's math argument earlier. The problem for Andy and Rachel was that, as we discussed earlier,

everybody in the group knew that if they didn't vote out Kyle, Sue would be super pissed and possibly break up the alliance. And it was also clear from the way Caroline talked about Andy's math when it came to Kyle winning immunity challenges, that she was not particularly interested in having that discussion either. Right. So good reasons or not, they were in the minority opinion. I tend to agree with the majority here that the risk of keeping Kyle around was just too high. And I'm disagreeing with Rob on this one because he said either on Know It Alls or on the patron call and show or both that. And if he were there, he thinks Genevieve poses the higher risk because Kyle is a known quantity. I would flip that around.

Everyone there knows that Genevieve is the super sneaky one. They know how she's been acting. It's hard to be sneaky and turn people against each other when everyone already knows that your game is being sneaky and turning people against each other. So as long as they stay firm in that, they really don't have anything to worry about with Genevieve. Right. And I think then we return back to the probability or possibility that he would win immunity and then what effect that would have on their numbers as far as voting is concerned.

So I do think that that's another part of that consideration that makes sense when you have the opportunity to do that. So you're not affecting the five that you have sooner than you necessarily want to, to turn against each other. Yeah. Yeah. Now, right now, the season, and I'm not the first person at all to say this, seems to be broken up into threats versus underdogs. Yes. And we are once again seeing the situation where when one threat falls, the threat dominoes continue afterwards.

So Sam and Genevieve really had no say in the matter this time. Right. And they may not for the next two weeks. However, I mentioned this earlier, it is interesting that Rachel has managed to switch from being seen as a threat And they may not for the next two weeks. However, I mentioned this earlier. It is interesting that Rachel has managed to switch from being seen as a threat to being one of the threat hunters. And like I said earlier, I think it's funny that what she's doing now is a lot more threatening than what she was doing when she was labeled a threat.

Right. But like we always say, it's about perception yes so so yeah i mean you know i i think the underdogs all believe that they are keeping their end goals in mind in these votes but some of them are missing that rachel may be the biggest threat there all about perception. Yes. All right. Well, we can move to Appendix B, which discusses the jury phase, including preparing yourself for being in Final Three and also preparing the jury to want to vote for you. I think Kyle more or less unintentionally prepared the jury to want to vote for him by just being himself, we discussed in rule six um but one area where he of course needed to do more was the aspect of strategizing that we've also talked about he he did not do anything in

particular to set himself up better as a specific plan yeah yeah no i do think that I think that Kyle certainly struggled with the long term game here as far as Survivor was concerned and really like setting himself up in a way that was going to get him to the end with the people that were going to like support him wanting to be there, unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, it is about time to wrap things up uh what are your final thoughts on kyle well kyle is certainly someone who i think knew himself well coming into this game he talked about his biggest kryptonite being that he always wants to see people happy i don't like causing pain i don't like causing distress having to jump through all the hoops and the different challenges I've had growing up and all of the sadness along the way. The last thing I want to do is hurt people or make people feel like they're not going to achieve their dreams. Then why are you playing Survivor, Kyle? My gosh.

All of those things that you just said is everything you have to do to play Survivor. And I appreciate the fact that he doesn't want to hurt people. And I appreciate the fact that he doesn't want to hurt people. And I appreciate the fact that he doesn't want to cause people distress. And I appreciate that he doesn't want to destroy people's dreams. But that's what you do when you play this game. Everyone's dream gets destroyed except one person, right? So it's unfortunate that Kyle walked into playing survivor with that mindset and not realizing that he was going to have to do all of

those things and he needed to find the balance we have had nice people win survivor you've already mentioned it he reminds me so much of jt and jt1 jt was a nice guy but he got there and so it was a nice guy till he totally threw his best pal in the game under the bus but he figured it out right and so it it's one of those situations where you have to find that balance you can be the nice guy but you can still be the nice guy that wins and unfortunately kyle didn't put himself in a position to be the nice guy that would win because he didn't formulate the strategy to get there and then he was relying so heavily on his need to win challenges that he forgot that there's a whole other level to this game that he should have been

doing way at the beginning. And he didn't. So unfortunately Kyle walked into this game without having a plan. And I know I've said before, you can't necessarily come in with a plan because you don't know who you're going to be playing with. And so you might not get what you want as far as your plan is concerned, but you have to have some type of a plan and coming in knowing you don't want to hurt people. That's not enough of a plan.

You have to figure out how you can hurt them. And then they still want to vote you as the winner in the end. And unfortunately Kyle did not do that. Yeah. Hey, you know, we need more people like Kyle in the real world who don't want to hurt people and are so concerned. Just not in survival. Yeah. Yeah, I said last week that while Kyle worried Gabe would come after him, that really wasn't something to be concerned about because everybody was coming after him if he lost. While perhaps saying everybody was a very slight overstatement, it was certainly

enough people that it didn't matter what he did last time. I also said last week that we knew Gabe was a big threat. His tribe mates knew it and he knew it. Now take that and multiply it a few times over and apply it to Kyle. He said at the beginning of the episode that he felt like he had to win every challenge or he was in trouble. He was right. Heck, many viewers were surprised he wasn't voted out a couple weeks ago when he didn't win, thanks to Genevieve putting the focus on Saul. This time, in a similar situation, the others chose not to go after Genevieve and took out the main target instead.

after Genevieve and took out the main target instead. We always say that just because the reason for a person being voted out seems obvious doesn't mean that's the whole story. Like I said at the beginning of the podcast. And that is the case even for Kyle. Yes, he was, of course, a huge threat and challenges. And in terms of being well-liked, if he had managed to make it to the end by using some strategy or convincing people he wasn't actually as big a threat as he seemed, that would have made him even more of a threat to win. But that's the thing. He would have needed to use strategy or convince people to do things that went against their own best interest. And as Kyle himself said at Tribal Council, ultimately, he didn't execute the social

game and the strategy game so well. I would go further and say when it came to the strategic element, it was almost non-existent for him. It's easy to see why Andy would say Kyle was a one-dimensional player. Kyle wanted to show nice people can win the game, and they can win the game. Many of them have win the game. Many of them have won the game. I could go through a list, but I'm not going to. And Kyle is indeed a nice guy. Being nice isn't enough.

You can't just be nice the whole way to get to that point, to get to the point of being at the end. Kyle finally started to recognize that just as he was about to be voted out. But as I said earlier, that was far too little, far too late. You can't make yourself into a huge threat, keep piling it on, and then expect to escape by just saying, please, please don't vote me out. Kyle had to do something different along the way. The primary way to have avoided that situation was to play more strategically. So he would have had allies to rely upon rather than just a bunch of friends and Sue. Another way would have been to maybe not win

immunity challenges over and over again once he realized he was being looked at as a threat. Genevieve was right that once you get the stamp of being a threat, it doesn't wash off. Usually, but there are ways around it. Look at Rachel. She is now in an alliance with one of the people who was previously trying to target her as a huge threat. More than that, look at people in the past like Tyson, who played up his shoulder injury to reduce his own threat level. There are ways around it, but it involves more than winning challenges

and being a really nice guy. He needed to play other aspects of the game, like the really, the most important aspects. Tini said not taking out Kyle when he didn't win immunity would be the dumbest look ever for them. And the way things shook out, that was a hundred percent true, but it only ended up that way because of the path Kyle chose or more

specifically what he chose not to do. And that is why Kyle lost. Well, there we are. Yes. See, so an hour and seven minutes, we've explained to you why Kyle lost. And it wasn't just because he didn't win a meeting. I mean, a chunk of that was Andy, but you know.

That's fair. And Rachel. All right. Well, I do want to remind everyone before we get to our predictions, you know, hang around. We still got more that the the rules we just discussed are available in T-shirt form on holiday sale. That's right. Also, did I say T-shirt form in poster form?

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I've been posting two or three or occasionally more videos per day. I'm now over 42,000 subscribers on YouTube. Just past that. So I encourage people to join the fun there. the fun there. Of course, right now I'm posting clips like, you know, mostly from Survivor, The Summit, House of Villains, and of course, The Traders Canada. Speaking of The Traders Canada, I am still co-hosting the Tradar podcast, that's T-R-A-I-D-A-R, for The Traders Canada season two. We have the finale coming in just one day as we're recording this. And, you know, we will be having the winner of season one as our guest for the finale season two podcast. So

you can look, you know, you can look for that in a couple days. Excellent. excellent all right well now it's time for predictions i'll go first um so i'm probably going to agree with you okay uh it's just you know that's generally just a good thing to do is just agree with it is at this point so the preview showed us genevieve making a fake idol or maybe doing something with sam's expired idol. Andy appeared to be working with her and Sam while Sam said Andy is the straw that stirs the drink and this is what he's been waiting for and Andy saying this is the biggest heist on Survivor. So the preview at least wants us to think Andy is flipping to work with Sam and Genevieve. The thing is, I don't believe it for a second. I know on, I think it was Know It Alls. Again, I listened to Know It Alls and the Patron podcast back to back while I was driving,

so I get a little confused between them. But there was some consideration that maybe what will happen is Genevieve or Sam will show the idol. The underdogs will say we have to split the vote, three and two. And then maybe Andy will use this to jump with Sam and Genevieve to vote out one of the underdogs because it'll be three to two to two. Sorry, I don't buy it.

First, because it's a preview and they notoriously mislead us in the previews. More importantly, because Andy is a numbers guy. And it would be silly to jump from a five to a three at this point. Yep. So he would jump over with Sam and Genevieve, get rid of one of the other four. And it would become a three, three. With everybody pissed at him yeah um so I think he is just misleading Sam and Genevieve much like he was misleading uh Annika and Rachel earlier this season and and I say that with both meanings that in his mind he's making a big move

by doing it and also that in reality it's not going to matter because the target was going to be the target anyway. So when Andy says this is the biggest heist, I think we're going to see it's actually not. I think it's going to, you know, unfortunately for people who like big swings and big surprises, I think it's going to be the obvious. Genevieve will be going and, you know, she would have been going anyway. And I agree that it's going to be Genevieve. But I do feel like maybe what Andy is talking about is the big heist being he's going to pull the wool over Genevieve's eyes. Right. That he's going to Genevieve that this is what we're doing. And that one. And I know, you know, the previews. Right.

Sometimes. But that she's like,, oh my gosh, if this works. Right. So I think that perhaps he's trying to lure her in because he was so dead set at wanting her to be gone that I would anticipate, yes, he is a numbers guy and he's going to try to smooth things over with her. So then he has convinced her in some way that things will be fine. Maybe she doesn't, you know, fear doesn't move and try so hard. I don't know. He tries to keep her in line and I think Genevieve is going to go home. Yeah.

And that would be another similar situation to what happened with Anika. You know, Genevieve is going anyway. He runs this plan in the background. Ha ha. I've convinced her. And then they vote her out and it really has no impact. Right. But he thinks it does.

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And David Bloomberg, this has been lovely. Thank you so much for the after holiday moment that I've been able to spend with you. Oh, well, thank you. Yes. Yes.

Thank you for joining me once again for another great week. Thank you for your flexibility and scheduling as we've had to do all this. It was following the rules, being flexible. Right.

That's right. Especially this time. So everybody else, we will see you really, you know, it'll be less than a week. It'll, it'll seem like just a few days by the time we see you again,

or at least you see us. But yeah, looking forward to the next episode and, uh, till then, see you next time. Bye. Bye. You blamed yourself and got voted out This is why Blank lost This is why Blank lost Baby, this is why Blank lost