RHAP: We Know Survivor - Why ___ Lost: Survivor 47 Ep 2

Episode Date: September 28, 2024

In his final words, ___ said his tribe voted him out because they didn’t value winning. Obviously that wasn't the reason, but it highlights that being strong in challenges usually helps keep a player around in this early stage, so how did he overcome that advantage? He said coming into the game that his social game would be his superpower, but did it turn out to be his kryptonite? Special returning guest Lindsay Carmine joins David Bloomberg and Jessica Lewis to figure out what went wrong for him. At RHAP, we know Survivor, and we know Why __ Lost.

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BetMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. If you lost Survivor and you're feeling down, David and Jessica will turn it around. They'll break down the rules and they'll show you how. You played yourself and got voted out. This is why blank lost this is why blank lost welcome back to the survivor edition Edition of Why Blank Lost. I'm David Bloomberg, and I want to show you my idol, because that's what we do.

We show everyone everything. As a matter of fact, oh, look, this idol happens to be in the form of a dragon, which is 3D printed, which my son sells. But, you know, that's just coincidence. You know, I just want to show you my idol. Now, as it happens. wait wait wait before let let me show you mine too i have an idol too i'll show you what i have oh well see we're all sharing that's because oh look another idol this is amazing what is happening we did not plan this but these are the two people that I most trust with that information. They are both here with me because joining me as always is Jessica Lewis.

And we also have special returning guest, Lindsay Carmine. Yay. Thanks for having me, guys. I'm so excited to be here. And I'm so glad that we can all share our secrets so quickly yes and our idols but here's the thing i had the option to trade this in for a longer lasting idol so here is my my bigger and longer lasting dragon idol that's a really good ordering one of these things from your son i definitely do yeah anyone who wants to make great Christmas gifts yes yes yeah yeah he's you know got he can make them in Halloween colors he can make you know all sorts of yeah love that good to know you know I was just showing my idols I didn't intend for it to be a commercial, but you know, now we'll talk more

about idols in a few minutes, I suspect. But first, I want to talk about t-shirts. Because of course, Lindsay, when you were on last season, we made a bet. And I won. You're so annoying. And as my reward,

you got me a Jelinski t-shirt look if i have to buy jelinski shirts there's no one else i'd rather purchase it for the new day there that's awesome yes now by all rights i should have worn it last week but i wanted to save it till you'd be on and besides besides, TK is still the first person from his tribe to go. And he was the one who went on the new version of Sweat vs. Savvy for his tribe. So I think it's very applicable here. Absolutely. It fits perfectly. Yes. Nice choice. But speaking of t-shirts, I've got my Owen shirt on this week. He's getting married to one of my favorite human beings ever, Sammy, next month.

So in celebration of their upcoming nuptials, I'm giving a little shout out to my buddy, Owen. Very nice. Yes, I finally got to meet Sammy in Chicago. And yes, she seemed very incredible. Owen, of course, obviously goes without saying obviously yeah um yeah they're getting married a couple weeks after my other son the non-3d so that's so fun yeah we call sammy our like 19th cast away like our 19th cast mate um so like even

when we're doing like group texts and stuff, I always include Sammy because she's one of us now. Yes. So that's great. Very nice. So, yeah, as I mentioned, uh, we hung out in Chicago at the RRJP event, uh, quite a lot. Uh, but that was a few months ago.

What's new with you? Uh, let's see, just, um, I was at camp all summer, so I lived in the mountains of New Hampshire and I ran the health center there and then i just got back and my daughter started high school my son started middle school so we're dealing with all that and some home donations and i leave on sunday for vacation for a week i didn't really get a summer vacation um because i was working so um so yeah so i'm about to go to the beach for a week as long as that sounds awesome yeah yeah i'm excited i i think the hurricane is

now like in kentucky and ohio last i heard so you know yeah it it hit my parents at like i think like 9 30 this morning um so their power is out right now so just yeah you know good times honestly i think we're getting some of the wind from it already here in Illinois. So hopefully the power stays on here. Obviously not nearly as strong as it was when it was, you know, hitting Florida and the other coastal areas. So wishing all the best to anyone who might be there. Yes, for sure. Yes. So, but there's no way to transition out of that.

So, you know, this week we're here, of course, to talk about TK. It was pretty obvious to me that he was going for a big chunk of the episode and it was obvious in a different way. So last week. It was, quote unquote, obvious that Andy was going, but I was like, no, this is just too obvious. I know Andy's not. Yeah. This was obvious, but in a way that I really felt it was happening. It's hard to explain. Uh, just all the reasons were being laid out there, um, you know, for us to gather and, and, you know, put into this podcast. Yes. I think you will be explaining

it yes uh and yes we need to explain that because in many ways he's not a typical first boot uh you know with as physically strong as he was so of course to figure it out we'll compare his game to my rules for winning that i originally wrote way back after season one and have been updating ever since, using all the non-spoiler information available to us from what we saw on TV, interviews, social media and secret scenes. The newest version of the rules can be found by going to our dedicated page at RobHasWebsite.com slash YXLostFeed and clicking on the link bubble for the survivor rules. slash YXLostFeed and clicking on the link bubble for the survivor rules. But before we address how TK did in terms of those rules, we always have some other things to discuss from the episode. So let's start with Rome.

Rome, Rome, Rome. So much Rome. So much Rome. Or rather, Rome. Here's my little Rome rock. Yes. My little Rome rock is joining us this evening. And Rome is so much. He is. He is. The funniest part of all of that to me

was him talking about how he could have, he felt he could have played pro basketball and Asia is just sitting next to him and throws in this little casual jab like, oh, why weren't you drafted? And he just keeps right on going. Oh, well, I stopped playing in high school. I don't even think he realized that he was like poking at him there. I don't think Rome would realize any of that

because he really is so Rome-centered that it wouldn't matter. It would just, like you saw, just roll right off of him because it's just more things for him to continue to talk about. Right. So someone's listening to me. I'm going to keep talking. It was thoroughly enjoyable. And I truly appreciate it. And, and he was talking about podcasting, which was hysterical as well. Yes. Very, very entertaining for sure.

Yes. First mention of the on fire podcast on survivor itself you know and yes the look on her face when he was talking about well i've podcasted before it just made me laugh so hard that i had to make my first youtube short the episode that you know that moment i love that he has done everything he really has yes it Yes. It's very like Debbie-esque, right? It's like Debbie of the new era. And we all have somebody in our life that's like that, right? And it's manageable because you get it in like small spurts and then you go home and then you go out to dinner a couple weeks later and then you see them in a game so yeah it's kind of spread out i have to imagine and then and

teeny said at best she's like you know when when you're dealing with it from sun up to sun down it's not something that you can avoid it's not something that you can get away with i mean to get away from um combine that with like just the basic irritation that you have because you haven't eaten you haven't had a proper night of sleep um so like your your tolerance level is is very low um so yeah I could definitely I feel like it would be so fun to just kind of feed the flames a little bit because it's going to take away... Well, don't ask Gib to start the flames, you know. But that's true.

I mean, he knows how to start a fire, but he doesn't know how to start a fire. 16 seconds, you know. That was one of the funniest lines. It really was. When... Who was it that actually started the fire? Kishan?

Kishan, yes. And when he was like, I started the fire. It was so great because he was just so like just like yeah look at me yeah hilarious great editing i thought it was fantastic but i do think that if if i were with rome i would i would want to use that as a distraction because it's almost like the more focus is on someone else, the less focus is on what you're doing and what someone else, and you could always, you could always like turn the conversation back to Rome. Cause all you have to do is ask Rome something about himself and Rome's

going to start talking about it and it will just distract everyone from what's actually going on. I think it would be a fantastic opportunity to utilize on a drive yeah yeah and when you when you come across people that do tend to talk about themselves it's very easy to stroke their ego and like yes something that's very important when you're out there when you're giving someone your attention and they feel like they're being heard that makes people feel really really good inside yes um so i kind of like applauding when they open a coca yeah oh my god i mean that's a perfect example um and even like i suggest to anybody always re-watch these episodes you catch so much that you don't catch the first time around. Jessica, for example, the fire making scene.

I didn't pick up on everything the first time around. I was in a loud bar, but on the rewatch, I was like, this is casting gold. Like, can you imagine just being in the editing bay and all of a sudden that footage like just, you know, gets dropped in your lap. You're like, it's Christmas. Yes. I do love when they have those moments with the editing where they can take something that seems so simple and small and just turn it into such a great little story arc for just that moment. Really, really incredible. So I do appreciate the editing and the way that they're putting things like that together. And these are some of the things we get from 90 minute shows.

Yes. A lot of this would have been left on the cutting room floor with our shows. This is one reason I love this. You know, these little moments that are so much fun and show some of the relationships there. And it really, well, I was watching this episode in particular feeling like wow i feel like there's so much content that i was almost lost in and how long we had actually been in to the show before we were finally getting to like an actual immunity challenge it was like there was so much happening with every tribe and we were getting so much good information i really

do enjoy that so much because I, I feel like I'm learning more about the individual players and also appreciating those small little moments and the, the things that, like you said, David, we would have missed otherwise. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now, of course, part of all of this Rome, uh, was him deciding to tell Teenie about his idol, which surprised even Teenie.

This snowballed into a slapstick comedy where Teenie told Kishan, and they went to visit the box just to have Rome walk right up to them. I mean, this was literally out of a sitcom. Amazing. Now, I have to imagine that Teenie also told Asia and Saul.

So probably everybody on the tribe now knows about his one tribal council idol. And I know my prediction for this week didn't come true, but it lends credence to what I was thinking, which is when they do go, I think Genevieve is going to end up being the victim because of Rome's idol Genevieve why because you think she's going to be the backup vote you think they're going to go for Rome Rome's going to play his idol I don't even think they'll bother going for him they know it's a one time they know he's going to play it

so I mean it seems like although we didn't really see it in this episode it seems like genevieve is well i would have thought his number two apparently teeny was his number two we just didn't know um but like in the secret scene last week when uh um saul went to him and said hey some people are worried about you. And and Rome took it the wrong way. He went and complained to Genevieve, which made me think, oh, OK.

And Genevieve was the one who was trying to create the four ahead of time before while Asia was still out getting their supplies. And so that's why I thought that Genevieve and Rome were tight. But also I really think that the true core four is Asia, teeny, um, Keyshawn and Saul. And so I think if you can't go after Rome,

who's left, but you can go after room. And here's, this is how I think it would go down. I think they go to Genevieve and they say, you're going down with a sinking ship. You can either partner with Rome or you can partner with us. We're going to make Rome think that he's safe and tell him you're the vote when he's the vote, or we can tell him that Genevieve's the vote and get Rome to maybe play the idol on Genevieve and then they can flush the idol and get him out.

I think he's just going to play it on himself. Yeah. You really do? I do. Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, well actually, yeah, it's interesting because, you know, the next topic that I have listed here to talk about is Gabe and the idol. And so I think this leads nicely into it because, you know, we had Gabe showing Caroline the idol. Now, I do have to say. His use of the idol to cement trust with her actually did work at least for now it's something we frequently hear people talk about but it rarely seems to work out for them but in this case he was like I want to be in alliance with you and she was like

sounds sketchy which is a little too honest for my take but okay um she's like sounds sketchy and he's like but look i have an idol and she's like oh well then i will align with you okay yeah and so you know that it that actually did work in that case uh but then he used it anyway in the first tribal council and so now that any target uh that may have come from it isn't on him plus the way he used it was interesting because it seems like he did it to try to protect himself in case of a sorry jessica rock draw um yes you know if tiana hadn't gone with his side may have the tie so he didn't have to worry um plus then of course everybody would know the other chance the other side would have a larger chance of losing someone making it more likely that someone would flip now none of that happened but but amazing gameplay i will say that if d ended up, if that was his plan, which

I believe it was as well, that he really is like the star of this episode as far as I'm concerned. Because of all of the things that he was able to maneuver and put into motion and then utilizing the idol in the way that he did, I

really do feel like Gabe is the driving force that got us to where tk ended up going home because he he did everything he needed to do in order to solidify the vote the way that he needed it to go i was very impressed i know we're going to talk through yeah why tk was voted out but i really do have have to credit Gabe with just phenomenal gameplay. Yeah. And this is where it gets to the point, going back to what you were saying, Lindsay, about, you know, would Rome play it on someone else? Because some people questioned, why didn't Gabe just play it on Sue?

I think we have to remember, they came into this game after just having seen, literally, before they got on the plane. They saw like five people get voted out in a row with an idol in their pocket. So can you imagine having an idol? Playing it for the person you believe is the target on your side and getting blindsided in your very first tribal council, much like you were just saying, no, thank thank you i'm going the safe route every time now rome and me maybe not the same people but i would do that i think you know i think rome is playing it on himself rome and rome would want his moment right because rome would want to would want to turn that into like look what i did i played this title regardless of whether or not they were going to be voting for him because he's going to turn that into like, look what I did. I played this idol regardless of whether or not they were going to be voting for him because he's going to turn it into something about Rome, right?

That, Oh, I did this and, and I tricked them and whatever. I mean, he's, he's going to make it very Rome-esque. So I just, I do think that he's going to play it on himself regardless of what's going on because he wants to have that moment to get up there and show everybody, even though everyone knows he has it, he wants to, to make a show of it. Okay. Yeah. I disagree. I think that he's the type of person that other people could convince that he's safe. So why don't we make another little bet?

So why don't we make another little bet? Because I really want a Y Blank Lost t-shirt. So it's time for me to give, I will gift Jessica any Survivor shirt she wants if I'm wrong. But if I'm right, you guys have to send me the white Y Blank Lost and then have the rules underneath it is that a deal okay so you want yeah like the one that has the poster the checklist i want the checklist okay the checklist all right and white okay all right i will have to shop for my t-shirt and let you know which one i would it's okay david did the same thing all right so here so here's the bet. If they go to tribal council and Rome does not play his idol

or does not play the idol on himself, I get a Y-blank loss T-shirt. If he ends up playing the idol on himself, then I have to buy you a T-shirt. Okay. Does it have to be this next, like, do they have to go to tribal council and no just the the next time it happens when they go to travel i love this this is great i'm getting myself a t-shirt out of this come on rome make me a winner you're my winner rob your room rock yeah you were talking about rome having a moment I'm like would that be a romant

a romant I like that hashtag romant this is happening alright now speaking of sorry Jessica the rock draw

I know it's painful I did have to laugh at Sue repeatedly saying, I'm willing to go to rocks. Yeah, whatever, Stu. Mighty generous of you since you're one of the people who's going to be safe. Yeah. Thanks, Sue. Appreciate you putting yourself out there like that. Come on, go to rocks. I'm willing to risk your game. Let's go. Let's have a tie everyone. Then I'll be safe. Yes. Uh,

it was, it was a very sad time for me to sit on my couch and reflect on my moment with the, my Roman with the rocks. Uh, but yes, I, yes,

I can, I can appreciate her push for it because obviously it is to her benefit. And that's the same thing that Zeke was doing. Zeke was pushing for it because Zeke knew he's like, this will be great if we go to rocks, I'm safe. So, yes, I mean, she's clearly taking, you know, a note from, from Zeke's gameplay on that as well. So, yeah, I mean, good for her for realizing that and pushing it but then also good for gabe for realizing i need to also assure my safety through all of this and i'm going to play the idol on myself all right finally before we get to the rules i want to address

rachel's attempt at stealing rice oh and yes i know a lot of people have said Jeff should have let her do it. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to take the opposite view. I'm with Lindsay. Well, Jessica, you should be with me on this. Okay. And let me explain why. Because I can totally understand why Jeff said no. First of all, it would have turned into a free for all for the future.

Yeah. Everybody would be stealing everything. The rice was there as a prop for the challenge not as a food reward so we previously said sabaya should not have been able to use the tribal council fire to melt her candle idol because yes that's a prop that's not a fire that she started herself and so you know therefore using that same logic i agree that rachel or i think that rachel should not have been allowed to take challenge rice as a reward the fact that production sometimes makes bad decisions such as allowing sabaya to melt the candle uh doesn't mean they should have

done it here too so i'm sorry to be a party pooper i'm sorry to take the contradictor i'm sorry to be such a rules guy um but i'm also not sorry well i can understand that go ahead lindsey um no i didn't mean to interrupt you um okay so if you look at it as like it becomes a free-for- all you then look at like production will then be hesitant next time to use rice and a challenge because of that then you start thinking all right well if she gets to take rice there are times in a challenge where I'm untying knots does that mean that I get to take the rope or I remember production was not happy with me because um the day of my vote out I took ribbons and I had taken them from like our tribe flag

and I put them in my hair and like production was kind of annoyed with me for doing that. I took everything. Yeah. So I think David's right. It does open a can of worms and it creates a production nightmare. But I think. From a TV viewer standpoint, it was really, really smart. And it would have been really, really fun, especially because it was Rachel, you know, like of all the people on the cast. Like she seems like one of the like rule followers and she's very soft spoken. And, you know, you don't think that that that would come from her. And the fact that there she was just like shoving it down.

I mean, well, I still think it made a great tv moment because i think it made a great tv moment yes but i do i do feel like i could see the slippery slope happening where if you allow it this once but we've had this discussion a lot on this podcast about production making rules about things so people know what they can and can't do. And we did talk about whether or not she should have been able to utilize the fire to melt down the idol thing that, you know, the idol candle that she had. And so I do think it's interesting that production kind, they can pick and choose, right? It's really up to,

it's really up to production where they can decide what it is they want to put their foot down and go, you can do this or you can't do that. And this is a discussion that we've had about a number of things that have happened on the show. And I do think that there is some, there's something here where production could have said, well, now that's really creative. And we didn't think that someone was going to do that and let it go. But then say, listen, we know that this happened at the last one, not happening again. And it would give it would give production the opportunity to say, well, enjoy this moment because you were creative and you thought about it. Yeah, it's very much like the rice negotiation. Right. Yeah, it's very much like the rice negotiation, right? Like that, I think, was something that was organic and just happened where all of a sudden we had people negotiating for rice with Jeff.

And then that's become a thing, right, where now people think that they can negotiate for rice. And so I'm more of the mindset like let's welcome that as an opportunity for creativity, but still allow production to say whether or not we're going to allow this in the future and get involved. And we've seen them go both ways on this. So I think great on her for trying to be creative and come up with something. And I am someone who I've said multiple times, I took everything you can imagine.

I was a little bit of a hoarder and it might've included something that we used it a challenge, but I just wanted to take it home. So, you know, I mean, it's just, and nobody knew and it's fine. It's tucked away in my closet, Lindsay. We were talking about it. And now I'll be in trouble because they'll be like, what did she take?

It doesn't matter. But I'm just saying, you know, that there, there are things that there are moments that production should definitely get involved. And then there are other moments where, you know that there there are things there are moments that production should definitely get involved and then there are other moments where you know maybe you let you let someone be creative with with the game that they're that they're playing yeah i i suspect because people were like well where's the rule that says she can't do it i'm pretty sure there's a rule that says you can't take stuff from challenges because otherwise people would be grabbing machetes and knives and whatever else is out there that could be useful at camp yeah i think what it really boils down to is people are just afraid to do anything that's what it is they are just and i feel like as the seasons

progress people are getting more and more ambitious and willing to push the envelope and do things that they're not supposed to. I know that I was so afraid going into tribal council about where I had to sit. And, and they were very like strict about this is where you're sitting. And they would go around with a little diagram. This is where you're sitting. You're sitting here, you're sitting here. And so there was, it was like, I was glued to that spot and then had the next season. All of a sudden someone got up and I was like, oh oh my gosh someone got out of their seat you know and i was like what are they gonna do and then and now it's like pandemonium right because everybody gets out of their seat yeah so that's another example of production being like this is where you sit and that's it and you have to stay here and that's that's what's happening and you're like but i

need to talk to that person over there but i can't because I'm sitting here now that that doesn't exist anymore. So I think I feel like production saw that and went, boy, this is a good time. This makes tribal council that much more exciting. We're going to let people move if they want. And so I do feel like that there are certain things that they might give a little bit, but they can still pull back if they need to. Right. Right. Yeah. It's funny you mention that, because, Jeff, a common theme that you hear him talk about is this is our game, right? There's, there's so many different ways that like we create the rules out there. Uh, and, and I can't tell you how many times I would look at a producer behind the camera and I'd be like, can I do that? And they're like, just, you know, I don't know, try it and we'll see what happens. Yeah. In the same breath, I remember like they were very strict about the way that we would walk

into challenges and they're like, you know, they would call it like this warrior walk. And like, if we did the warrior walk, right. Then we were celebrated and we were the favorite tribe and you guys had the best warrior. And you want to be those people. And then you don't do the warrior walk, right? And you hear about it and you don't want to disappoint production. You don't want to be the person that pauses something or, you know, creates a delay in anything.

You just don't want to be the problem child. Right. And yeah. And so I think trying to find that, that balance is very tricky out there. Calling all sellers. Salesforce is hiring account executives to join us on the cutting edge of technology. Here, innovation isn't a buzzword.

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Well, in his final words, TK said his tribe voted him out because they don't value winning. Something tells me that was not the real reason they did it. But it does point to the fact that usually being a strong challenge competitor helps keep you around in this early stage. So he or the others had to do something to overcome that. When we look at TK's own words, both in the game and after it, we'll be able to figure out

everything that went wrong with him. At RHAP, we know Survivor and we know why TK lost. Nice! Working that in there. the first and most important rule is to scheme and plot and it seemed like tk understood this he talked about wanting to have a strong three to go through the game and at first this puzzled a lot of viewers because of course you need four get through the first vote but i'm pretty sure he was talking like three long term and in his interviews he talked about how the fourth person whether it

was gabe or someone else was frankly more of a loose end so of course he had kyle and thought he had tiana as well along with gabe but he also did some things that don't make much sense to me when it comes to gabe just from his interviews because because he said his goal was to get Gabe to play his idol. So he kept pushing in that regard, telling Mike Bloom, he said things like, Hey, people are saying they're not really getting a good vibes from you. Hey man, they're saying you got an idol. Everybody knows about it. I don't know, man. Maybe you might want to think about playing it.

He was purposely trying to scare him into playing it. But the part I don't get is how this lined up with also saying they were a solid four. Because if they had four, it didn't matter if anyone was saying anything about his idol. These two lines of strategy were at cross purposes. Well, and did he know that his idol was only good is his his was a three i believe oh his is his is a three okay so i have to i have to be mindful of that too he did the extra boxes within the box he did the extra boxes and then used it at one anyway but yeah yeah right interesting yeah no i do think that there was a lot of things that TK did that like on the surface

felt right you're like okay yeah he's he's come to play he wants he wants a scheme and plot he's got his plans of how he's going to do this but then it was like the follow-through the follow-through really didn't seem to jive with what he was hoping to do. It was more of like a, it was almost as if like, I have a plan and that plan will happen because I said it was going to happen. And this is my plan. But getting there is not the best method. You know, you want to have a solid core. You want people to, to work with you, but then you're making them, you're frustrating them with things you're saying. You're, you're not, you're not pretending. And I know we're going to get to there, you know, that point as well, but there were like extra steps that needed to be taken besides having this

like idea, uh, like I have a concept of a plan, but I have to, I have to carry out that plan. And that's where I think he was, he was lacking is that follow, follow through in order to bring these things to fruition. Yeah. I think he was, like you guys said, he was doing a great job scheming and plotting. I think what he wasn't factoring in, and I think we see this a lot, especially like it happened in my season. i'll give you guys an example in a second but um he wasn't factoring in the gabe sue and caroline alliance and you know he i noticed um in a lot of his like exit interviews you know he just kept saying i i just didn't realize they were a pair i never saw them talking i never heard g talk strategy. He was always like off on his own. I see a lot of similarities of Gabe and Ryan in that aspect. I think Gabe and Ryan had totally different strategic games and we can get into that later. But if somebody is not talking strategy to

you, it's not that they're not talking strategy. It's just not to you. And I remember, yes. And it doesn't matter who is out there. Do not underestimate. People are always talking. And I remember going up to Ryan and it was like getting towards like day nine, we had been winning challenges. And I was like, Ryan's the only person I haven't talked strategy to. I have to have this conversation with him. And so I started talking about it and Ryan's like, you know what, Lindsay, let's just keep the positive vibes flowing. We're doing great. We're winning. We don't need to have this conversation until we need to have this conversation. And I underestimated that because he was off similar to Gabe, like having his Tarzan moments and and going off for

long periods of time and stuff I honestly just thought okay Ryan's like he's playing checkers we're all playing chess and no it was me playing checkers Ryan was playing chess it wasn't Ryan wasn't talking strategy it wasn't to me and um and for any future players out there like you guys have got to remember this people are, whether you see it or not. There are so many conversations that are happening that you have no idea about. And you think you've got eyes and ears on everybody and you know where people are at all times. You don't like you just don't. So just know that if people aren't having conversations with you, they're having conversations with someone else.

And your number one job, if you can't get those people to have strategic conversations with you, you got to find out who they are talking to. Right. Right. So, yeah, this was, you know, very similar to what we said about John when Jake was on last week, you know, and Jake, of course, famously was upset that people weren't playing. And, and, and, you know, John, I think John to this day, based on his interviews still does not realize this point yeah you know and he's not listening to this podcast unfortunately right you know um he he left the game thinking people weren't talking strategy and he did his interviews saying people weren't talking yes they were john yeah They just weren't talking to you. Yeah. Right. And so, yeah, I mean, in TK's mind, he said on the show, his game plan was working flawlessly.

He said, Gabe will do whatever I need him to do. No, Gabe is not your chess piece or your checkers piece. The big problem was, as you said, Gabe had a completely secret alliance he didn't know about. And then added in, you know caroline to sue tk had zero idea this had happened he he even tried to get caroline to vote out gabe so it would ensure that she would work with them after a tribal council where they presumably voted off sue actually and he also said uh that he also told dalton ross he had a long talk early in the morning the day of tribal council where they said they'd love to work with each other him and caroline he said i think if we had had that conversation two days earlier maybe there was something there but at that point she was so locked in with sue there

was no way to pull her out of that now we obviously don't know if she would have gone along with him if he'd come earlier, but it goes to emphasize both what you were just saying, Lindsay, and also one of the points of this rule, which specifically says from the very beginning, you have to start making alliances and cement relationships. And I do mean the very beginning. He waited too long with her. Yeah. And the other thing too, that I think is interesting is his idea that gabe would have done anything that i told him to do yeah but at the same time he's talking about how well i can't trust gabe because gabe is is running around doing all of these things and he's being sneaky so again it's like well which is it is it gabe is going to do anything you want or you can't trust

him and it it didn't really seem to make sense with the approach he was taking with Gabe and then what he was telling other people about Gabe and what he was trying to attempt to get Gabe to do because if Gabe is going to do anything that you want then playing the idol shouldn't have taken such time and energy and convincing if you think Gabe is just going to do anything you want anyway. So there was a lot of things that just didn't seem to line up with, with his ideas and then the actual carrying out of those ideas. All right. I'm, I'm going to defend TK for a second. Is there a chance that the things that he was saying,

the timeline doesn't match up. So like maybe they were taking clips. TK could have been saying that he really trusted Gabe and that he was a safe space in the first few days. And then as the game went on and TK started realizing that Gabe was a little bit shadier than he thought he was, but maybe production was kind of like

picking and choosing clips I mean but didn't the key thing happen very early yeah the key thing happened right away yeah maybe day one so I don't know I can't remember exactly you know I don't remember the exact conversation

when he said the part about Gabe will do whatever I want. I think he was talking about it seemed to be leading up to tribal council. But yeah, can I absolutely guarantee that? No. All right. Well, we could

go to the second rule, which says not to scheme and plot too much and to keep your scheming secret. Now, we already discussed TK trying to get Gabe to play as Idol by coming up with this complicated scheme. And I brought that up in the first rule because I felt it was bad strategy rather than over-strategizing. But part of it does fall into the second category

and therefore this rule too, because he not only was saying the things we discussed, but also pulled him aside at camp after the challenge and went hard at him for causing their loss. Yeah. Now we didn't see this, this we, we know about from interviews, but again, in his mind, he was doing this to somehow get Gabe on board. But I But I really cannot think of a circumstance where someone on Survivor would say something like that to me and I'd be like, wow, I really want to work with them now.

Right? Yeah. Wait, I thought he said that because he was trying to get Gabe to play his idol. He was, but he also was saying he wanted to work with Gabe. This is where the whole cross purposes thing. So he was like coming at him on the one hand. He's like, the four of us are a group.

On the other hand, he's like, people are mad at you because you have an idol. And by the way, you really screwed up that whole challenge. And so you'd better play your idol. It's like, well, keep your story straight. You can't be saying you're working with me and saying you're coming after me in the same breath. I just had an epiphany. So I really did.

As you were going through that whole discussion, he works with NFL players, right? And so he's very much in sports. And so I'm curious if he was almost approaching this and kind of a like coach player mentality where you don't want to disappoint your coach. Right. And so as a coach, you're like, come on, that was terrible. What are you thinking? Why did you do that? And so the players like I need to impress coach and next time I'm going to do so much better. I'm going to do exactly what coach wants me to do.

And next time I'm going to do so much better. I'm going to do exactly what coach wants me to do. And I'm wondering if maybe that's where this was coming from, where he thought if I take this approach and, and they realize I'm the leader because he really did think he was a tribe leader. I don't want to disappoint TK. I'm going to do better next time. I'm curious if maybe that's where that was stemming from. Like, um, like a bro talk. And I forgot to pitch this idea. Instead of calling this episode why TK lost, I think we should call it the overpowering male dominant bro energy.

Look, I'm just I'm just throwing out some ideas. I don't know, we could try it. Small little title. Yeah. Yeah. But that conversation would have never happened if they were saying it to a female like there's no way tk would have gone at a female like that in hopes that she would then turn around and like vote with him right um i think you're right i think it is that like bro coach locker room chat type of energy and that may be it but that I don't know but on the other hand like I'm not justifying it David I know I'm saying he was trying to get him to play the none of these things come together to make sense it's like he had all these ideas these separate ideas and he, I'm going to throw all of them at the wall.

And it doesn't matter if any of them make sense together, because maybe one of them will stick. Yeah. Yeah. But I do think that it's coming from a place of that coach player kind of mentality. Maybe, maybe. But if you're going to do that, that you gotta make sure that the person you're talking to well you know what i'll have more to say about his understanding of human relationships later i think so and another role yes perhaps you wouldn't want to jump ahead david no we would not Now, TK also said this conversation led to Kyle telling Tiana that he apologized to Gabe, which led to her being mad that he had apologized to her, which led to the conversation we saw on TV about him and Tiana thinking more that there was a guy's thing going on. So maybe she couldn't trust him. But also, he said he talked to her further about it. So I have my doubts on how much that particular aspect contributed.

Yeah. Kyle did mess it up, but you know what, what's an apology. Exactly. If you say, I apologize, that's an apology.

If you say, if, if Gabe says, Oh, I'm sorry. It won't happen again. And TK says, it's okay, bro. Well, is that an apology? Is it just an acknowledgement? I don't know what the bro code says in terms of those definitions,

you know, the bro code. But I just don't think it that whole mess of of discussions contributed i think there were plenty of other reasons tiana did not want to work with him which we'll get to in a little while yes see i can't comment on this because i'm trying to save it for the social part of it but all right let's move forward then okay well we still got a few rules before then yeah i know so we'll go to the third which tells players to be flexible now lindsey did you feel like tk was a go with the flow type of guy who could change up his game to suit the situation and and follow this rule no no um but you've got two different types of people in this world, right? You've got flexible

people that, you know, are the followers in life. And then you've got the non-flexible people that like to be in control and like to be the decision maker. I think in the game of Survivor, you, no matter what your personality is like, like you have to be flexible because if you're not, you're going to be a red flag to your tribe mates. And I would say TK was probably a little bit flexible in the beginning. Um, because you're still trying to like figure out where you are on the chopping block and, and where you fit within tribe dynamics. But I um as after they lost the challenge and stuff i think he became a little bit less flexible in the sense that he started saying um i'm gonna i think i like i wrote it down somewhere but um he was just talking about how you know he wants to start

calling the shots and he's gonna tell everybody what to do now um i did read and one of his exit interviews that um that applied to challenges it didn't apply to all the tribe dynamics and like what they were doing out on the island and so i i feel like tk does deserve the recognition for that but for you to just like make those types of blanket statements statements you're you can't you just can't play that type of game and survivor and expect to go far yeah yeah i mean obviously i agree he he yeah he even beyond what you said i do think he was even less flexible because he came into the game with a certain plan on how to play some of which we discussed some of which is yet to come and he stuck to it you know later we'll go over some things about how he refused to alter his personality traits, even if others might find them annoying.

He just was not going to ban. Yeah. You make a great point. Like, everybody wants to win. You don't want to lose because it doesn't matter how safe you feel in the game. Any chance that you go to tribal council is a chance that it could be you. We've, we've seen the craziest things happen at tribal council. So it doesn't matter how safe you are, even if you have an idol, like anything can happen. And so the last thing you want to do,

I think what frustrated me is when they were standing at the mat and they were, I mean, I think, I think we're being very generous with the phrase like smiling. They weren't like smiling ear to ear, but you're on the mat. You're about to talk to Jeff. You know, I remember when we lost, I was pissed. There was not going to be any smiling, but I could have understood if some of my tribe mates were like smiling at Jeff and the way like, you know, there's also nervous smiling. I remember one time. Yes.

So I had a boss who was very aggressive and she was talking to one of my employees and he had screwed up and I was standing there and she was talking to him and he was kind of, she was kind of like smiling and chuckling as she was talking. And she was like, yeah, you didn't do this. And he started kind of laughing along with her. And I said, stop. The laughing that she is doing,

the smiling that she's, that is not laughing. That is, I'm going to kill you laughing if you don't get this right. So people use it to cover for a wide variety of different emotions when they're doing this. And that's, you know, Tiani even said, nah, it's a fake smile. Yeah. And I think that's, that's what bothered me too. And I'm not sure if we want to carry this over to like the social conversation, but the one thing I remember thinking to myself is like, if TK hadn't done all the other things that he had done that were just really getting on his, his tribe mates nerves. And that was just like a one-off.

I think they would have given him more grace but because like sue had a laundry list of all the reasons why he was driving her crazy that was you know tiana uh she was feeling that way too gabe was starting to feel that way caroline and sue were a pair and so i have to believe that sue was going to caroline too and complaining about tk so like i think in situations like that people are just looking for stuff to get mad about and so i think i think that was just the last straw for them and it made it super easy for them to be like well you don't have to go for dave we can go for tk this is an easy vote yeah yeah let's go ahead on blast right yeah let's go ahead and skip the fourth rule

here for a moment just go straight into the fifth because ahead and skip the fourth rule here for a moment. Just go straight into the fifth because I really, so the fifth rule reminds players they need to pretend to be nice and play the social game. And yeah, we have some things to talk about here. I did consider making this one, the first rule we discussed. I think it in my thinking, it would be more natural to discuss it in the usual order because there was kind of a battle going on between strategy and and social game in several minds, especially Tiana, who we'll talk about when we get back to the fourth rule. Despite what we talked about with TK creating his alliances, he made such big mistakes in this rule that it undid any good he had done from strategy from rule one.

And, you know, yes, you want to follow rule four and separate your emotions. And again, we'll get back to that. But really, this deals with other people and not everybody is going to follow it uh not everybody is going to fully separate game from how they feel about you especially in the first few days so you can plot out strategy and expect them to follow it but if you piss them off there's a significant likelihood they're not going to go along with you right they seem to do a lot of pissing people off which is interesting especially interesting because he said in the pre-game that his job

involves wheeling and dealing with different types of people so he expected those skills to translate to the game and thought his social game would be his biggest biggest and his biggest kryptonite yes yes his superpower yes his superpower not his kryptonite it turned out to be his kryptonite yes you know that that oh yeah yeah well and i think lindsey's point is a really great one to bring us into this being put on blast because if you already are having these moments with this person on your tribe, right? We're like, oh, he's saying these things that are making me crazy. And maybe not everyone has felt that same way. Maybe not everyone has seen it or maybe multiple people have, and they're just not

talking about it because who wants to be the person pointing the finger at somebody else going, did you see what TK said? Or did you hear what TK did? Because you don't want to be that person either. You don't want to be the gossip. You don't want to be starting problems during the pot. So when you give the entire tribe an opportunity to see that behavior and then they can go, wow, he just did that in front of everybody. Then you give them a jumping off point to talk about it, right? Where they can go back to the, to the camp and go, wow, that was a lot. And did you know, he's, he said this to me the other day and then the other ones are going to feel more comfortable. Like it's kind of like you're making a bonding moment for everyone because you're giving them an opportunity to talk about what they just saw and then relate it to something

that they've dealt with or that they've experienced as well. So you're certainly not doing yourself any favors whatsoever in this rule because you are, you're giving permission to everyone to talk about how you were violating this rule with each one individually, because you've put it on display. I'm so glad you brought that up about like the bonding because I remember on my beach, Cassidy and Gio just like weren't getting along and I could understand why Cassidy was getting annoyed with Gio and I could understand why Gio was getting annoyed with Cassidy. The good news is, is that like I wasn't on the receiving end of either one of those situations. But when it's me, Cassidy and Gio, and we're all sitting down and they kind of start bickering and Gio walks off, Cassidy looks at me.

We start having a conversation. She wants confirmation that it's not just her. Is it just me? No, it's not just you. Of course, that's annoying. That's a bonding moment. That's a moment where Cassidy gets to say, OK, Lindsay and I are on the same page and we're kind of annoyed with Gio and now not only does that bring us closer together but we're now looking for more

reasons for him to be annoying so something that he does next maybe wouldn't have necessarily annoyed us if it had been isolated but when you combine that with like all the other behaviors in contrast when I would go talk to Gio about that, he felt very isolated. Cassidy's attacking me. Nobody defended me. What happened? Gio, I can totally understand where you're coming from. I think Cassidy may have overreacted in that situation.

Even if I didn't think Cassidy overreacted in that situation, I am going to tell Gio that I think she overreacted and, hey, she's just having a bad day. Like, let it go. You weren't that bad. And that gives us an opportunity to create those bonds as well. I'm going to give a little story here because I've said before that lessons from my rules can be used in everyday life. And this is a perfect example because I talked about my boss who could be a little aggressive. Well, the best way to stay out of her crosshairs was to make sure they were pointed at someone else. So, you know, yeah. Were there times when she would start going off about somebody and I would be like, yes, you are absolutely right. I can't believe what that person did because if she revved up and got mad at them

well then there was less chance she was getting mad at me yes yes you know and this is all you want on survivor you want the heat on somebody else you want someone else to be noticed for something that they've done to get other people frustrated because then they are not looking at you so to give them an opportunity like this, it's just terrible. It's just an awful thing to do. You do not, even if that's how you feel, got to bottle that in. You got to not say that. Fake smile. I mean, the best, the best gift you can be given. And I think we see it a lot,

especially like in the older seasons is you think somebody is going home because all signs point somebody's going home because all signs point to them going home and all it takes is like two other tribe mates getting in a bicker or fighting and you're like that's it like i just got saved from tribal council and and that's what happens and i know this sounds bad but as long as it doesn't like negatively affect you you kind of want people to not get along on survivor because yeah you know you don't want those people yeah yeah yeah yeah and you know with tk there were a series of different situations going on we could talk about a few of them we already have

let's talk i i think a key was something that tk told Mike Bloom. He said, when you're a man in this game and you're confident, I'm a fairly big guy in the context of Survivor. I think that it's already a little bit intimidating for some people. But also to come in with the confidence I have, I'm not going to dim my light to make anybody else more comfortable. And that right there is a huge problem and a complete lack of understanding of the game of Survivor. Even Tony Vlachos purposely made himself appear smaller and less powerful in Winners at War as part of his strategy.

This rule in particular is all about modifying your behavior for game purposes. Pretend to be nice. And TK said, no, I'm going to refuse to do that. Yeah, he was. And I think it's great to be confident and to come in and play this game with a confidence. Absolutely fantastic. But you have to be able to have that confidence, not just in yourself, but in your entire tribe. They have to feel that you are confident with them and as a part of the group that they are a part of,

as opposed to ostracizing them for not rising to your level. And that's really what TK was doing, was making them feel less than and that he was so much better. Like, I'm sorry, you all lost. You all lost that. You all did. I mean, I understand he wanted to blame Gabe for wanting to, to take control and be the only one talking. And, and I get that, but yes, sometimes you can blame one person for a tribe losing an immunity challenge. Absolutely. You can do that. But at the same time, even if that's how you feel, sometimes it's better to keep that as a private moment and maybe have a private discussion

with somebody about that issue instead of telling Jeff all about it and acting as if you were not to blame. Yeah. I'm, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. I consider him a newbie to the survivor like fandom. I know he started watching during COVID. He started with like the Netflix, you know, seasons. And that's great. But I think when you go through the casting process, it's 10 months of you having to be overly confident, super cocky. You have to be a salesperson for yourself. You know, you're saying things that you wouldn't want to be caught dead having your friends over here. You say about yourself because that's what you do during the casting process all the way up until pregame in Fiji, when you're having to do the pre-game interviews like I listened to TK's pre-game interview before uh we hopped on this chat and and I think the difference is is like

once you start the game all of that has to go out the window yes and I think that because TK doesn't understand Survivor enough he kind of carried that into the game yeah and I think he wasn't self-aware enough to realize that like his behavior was getting on people's nerves because you can be confident, but if you're getting on people's nerves and you're super confident, that is a horrible combination. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I mean, he also told Mike Bloom,

I'm going to be myself in the hopes that you would be yourself and we can be ourselves and all get to know each other and be happy and go lucky. And it's fine. It's a survivor. Yeah. Again, it showed, like you said, Lindsay, he didn't really understand the social game on survivor because yes, some people can indeed be themselves most of the time people like jam jam or Kenzie. But if if you're not if you don't have a personality like them you need to put a lid on aspects of your personality that might cause conflict you can't just be yourself when part of being yourself means lashing out when you lose a challenge or as he said making jokes that he'd make with his friends when these people aren't

his friends and maybe don't pick up on his sarcasm there's a reason again that this rule says pretend to be nice yes some people we get on here and say they didn't need to be to pretend but some definitely do and tk was one of them yeah right so like when he said to sue um what did he say? Like, oh, I wish I could sleep all day. Oh God. Yes. That's exactly what I was thinking. Like what? Yeah.

Yeah. Why? Why? Why would you ever say that? Like. Even if that's the way you feel. Don't say that. That's one of those. I was just joking.

You know. But in your everyday life, like you can get away with saying that in survivor. Like, I mean, yeah. Yeah. And that's riding your ticket home. Yeah. I mean, I, you know, I mentioned earlier, we'd hit a couple of examples and that was one of them. It's obvious that he annoyed the heck out of Sue and also somewhat Tiana. I mean, what led up to that was they were trying to sleep on the beach and he wouldn't shut up. And then, you know, that that joke he made. But they should have moved. But but that's the thing.

The four of them. He he acknowledged the four of them went out there together to sleep. Yeah. He and Kyle could not sleep. So they talked. And then he's saying in the interviews well we had a whole island they could have moved well you know it was already in my notes before i even read he said that yes yes when did he say that in the interview in it yeah he told them yeah they could have yeah he said

they have a whole island but what was already in my notes was they have a whole island. He didn't need to be sitting right next to them. Yeah. So it's like, no, go down the street. He said, you guys could go right down the street and take your nap over there. I didn't realize it was that irritating to people to just be yourself and have a conversation.

But again, they all came down together. Sue and Tiana thought they were all going to nap. And TK thought they were going to nap, but he and Kyle couldn't sleep. So he actually expected them to get up and leave when he was the one causing the problem. me is that like he'd still do that in his everyday life and I think the differences is like even things that you would do in your everyday life like you can't do that stuff out there you like you need to be overly considerate of everyone else out there and because you're you're living with people and um and the fact that you've never met before that you don't know. And you're also trying to be in a game for a million dollars. So there's a lot of, a lot of things that you need to be mindful of. Yeah. Yeah.

Then another example was of course what happened after they lost the challenge. And he kept talking about how he didn't like losing or people who are okay with losing went on and on as Tiana was rolling her eyes and making faces. Now this was the exact moment. knew 100 percent he was going. You know, T.K. told Mike it was just one of those moments where he led a little bit too much of his competitiveness show. Yeah, but that was the ongoing problem, letting too much of his overall personality show,

like we said. Yeah. And and then there was his overall relationship with Tiana. it. Yeah. And and then there was his overall relationship with Tiana. We didn't see as much about this on the show itself, but TK told Mike Bloom that he rarely talked to her and most

of the discussions ran through Kyle while Sue was in Tiana's ear about TK. He said I was okay with it because at the end of the day, I don't want to blow up Tiana's spot because I know she's playing both sides with the girls too. And she's giving us information that the girls are are saying so I don't want people to know all three of us are together and this is interesting to me because one thing he hammered Sue about during

tribal council was that she supposedly didn't make the effort to talk to him in fact he sat there and survivors blamed to her about this very topic yet he admits he wasn't doing it with Tiana. It was like, it was almost my favorite scene of the whole episode with Sue just sitting back there. And she's like, keep talking, keep talking because I'm about to vote your ass out and it is going to feel so good. So you can talk about how I'm not talking to other people. Oh, so good. So good. about how i'm not talking to other people oh so good so good editing gold editing gold yeah yeah um real quick before i forget this thought because i'm way too

old um i think if tk had just i think she's the youngest one here yeah just thanks my daughter said i've got the memory of a goldfish it's so bad um okay so i think if that had been an isolated incident and tk had been loved by all the other members of his tribe i think he could have written that as like a once-off as i was overly emotional it's the competitive athlete in me and Please forgive me. You know, there were times where like, I think, oh, uh, when we lost the challenge, I threatened the other two tribes and they did not like that very much. Um, I just got caught up in the moment. It was the competitive side in me, but I think because I was likable and I got along with everybody, they could excuse that from me because they knew that

like, I wasn't like that all the time. So it was kind of like, all right, you know, it's a tiny red flag, not a big red flag. I think the problem with TK's game is that that's what sunk him because of all the other things. Yeah. He has two reasons. Right. Right. Yeah. Right. Again, people are looking for a reason to vote you out and he gave plenty in this rule yeah and if and if people have your back they will be more willing to look or forgive you for something you do because well it was just that one moment but if if people aren't on your side like kyle kyle's the only one that's on his side clearly and kyle i think we we talked about this when we first were meeting the the cast kyle is just such a nice guy and

he's just like he's just he's so loyal and so lovable and you can't help but just want to like hang out with him and so i think for him his loyalty was just like i like him i think he's a cool guy and i can and i can talk with him and that's great but that's all he had was was kyle and when you've got a tribe of six only having one person that's that loyal to you is not going to get you farther in the game yeah no yeah something um one of you just just said was it's interesting because it you know, he talked about how in the challenge he tried to take over and Gabe kept taking it back and everybody sided with Gabe. And in his interviews, he said, well, this should have showed me that Gabe felt safe. I don't think that's what it should have showed him. And one of you just triggered this thought in me. What it should have showed him was everybody was already annoyed with him trying to boss them around leading up to the challenge they were sick

of him so when he tries to boss them around in the challenge they're like shut up and let Gabe do it yeah and I think the only one who piped up and said uh maybe we should listen to TK was Kyle yeah yeah yeah but and it just kind of leads to something deeper was which is like does tk have a point because i read in one of his exit interviews he was like it made me realize nobody was willing to speak up because they didn't want to go against somebody that they were in alliance with and there's a little bit of truth to that you know in the game yeah sometimes you don't defend the odd man out because you don't want to then become the odd man out and that that's an added layer to the game and it's things that

you just don't think about yeah i do think there was some of that but i also think like i said most of them were he was already i mean it it so happens that the four people that well it doesn't so happen one call there's a causal relationship here he pissed off four people that, well, it doesn't so happen. One call, there's a causal relationship here. He pissed off four people and those four people aligned against him, you know? So which was it in this case, you know, chicken or egg situation. Yep. All right. We can go back to the fourth rule, which tells players not to let their emotions control them. We could go through this one pretty quickly.

I think there was, there was a fair amount of discussion about this rule but it was mostly from tiana not tk um it was fun to hear her practically quote this rule but we could talk about that in appendix a um but you know jessica from tk's standpoint how do you think he did here well i mean we're spending so much time talking about him blowing up on the mat right where he certainly wasn't keeping his emotions in check and i think it's interesting for tk because i don't think that tk necessarily thought that he was being emotional he he stressed very much that he thought tiana was making an emotional decision based on how she ended up voting so he was he's mindful of that i think in retrospect that she made an emotional decision but i think he's he's forgetting that it goes both ways right that that the way that he's feeling might not be the same way that someone else is feeling

and his approach to how someone else is going to react emotionally is something that he needed to be more cognizant of and thinking about and playing the game that his emotional outbursts can have an effect on somebody else and can negatively affect his game and so he needed to keep his emotions in check because of that and I think that there was a real disconnect there that he thought well I should be able to have this type of response and it not negatively affect the person next to me. And then question, well, she just she emotionally responded to what happened. And that's why she made that vote. Like, OK, yeah, that's what happened. But you caused that to happen by what you did.

And so there's like you have to have that realization there that if you're going to give her guff for doing it maybe you need to look at what started that ripple effect yeah and then you combine that with him uh being on a tribe with gabe who i'm not sure if you guys caught this confessional but gabe was talking about how he's monetizing on um tiana's emotional um response to tk and and again i just think this was such an amazing episode for gabe um because it just goes to show you like how smart he's playing but he he said like i'm i'm going to take advantage of the fact that she's going to now vote in an emotional way not a strategic way and that is going to be like how I get in with her during this vote. And I was like, get it, Gabe, because you clearly know what you're doing. And he was smart and it worked.

Yeah. So, yeah. All right. Well, we already did rule five. So we'll go to six, which warns against being too much of a threat. And I know that TK saw himself as a big big physical threat but we're just not at that part of the game yet almost nobody is worried about someone in that way for the first vote i know we hear it like oh they voted me out first because i was such a big threat no nobody cares about that at first um but he was a threat for other reasons as he was obviously targeting sue he was also

pushing on gabe um when you throw caroline in in as the ally to both he had literally threatened half the tribe in one way or another yeah yeah i mean he is i think that this is something that he was too much ahead of the game on. Like he was thinking, well, of course, they're going to want to keep me because I'm strong. And then once I get to the merge, then this is going to to work to my benefit of my physical strength. And it's like they'll have to worry about that later because they're going to want to keep me around at the beginning. But like you said, David, like this is not a concern that people necessarily have at the beginning. Granted, strength is good because you're competing in these challenges and you want to keep winning.

But that's that's only one part of it. You have to you have to be winning the challenges and you have to have the numbers at the same time. So you need to find that balance. And I don't think that it was necessarily a concern for anyone at this point because it is so early in the game. But that's not what the focal point was at all as far as tk was concerned i find it fascinating especially with like three tribes you know at the beginning of the new era it was tribe strength right tribe strength tribe strength people were willing to keep the most annoying players around because

it meant that you know they would advance and continue to win tribal challenges i don't feel like that's happening anymore you know i i feel like everyone's like if i and two of my allies can make it to the merge that's all we need is three the the goal now is to make it to the merge it's not to make it to the merge with um the majority because then you've got a target on your back. And that's what James kept trying to tell me. You know, he finally said to me, Lindsay, we can trim the fat. Like, why are you keeping somebody like Ryan around because of his strength?

We can afford to lose Ryan and we can afford to lose Gio. You know, we can go into the merge with just three or four of us just they couldn't afford to lose you was the problem i mean you know it is what it is so um but he was right and actually he waited until we got back and from fiji to tell me and i actually snapped out of my i was like then why didn't you say that on the island like why didn't you tell me that because you make a lot of sense you know i was so laser focused on tribe strength and and making it to the merge um as intact as we could be and i realized like wait we didn't need that yeah let's go ahead since we've gone out of order once already let's jump to appendix a because that's really what we're talking about lindsey is is just forcing you to flip around i love this actually oh i oh okay but i tried i tried to stick

to the script i just um but it's about the players you know keeping their end goals in mind when voting and we usually talk about voting out the weak and the strong and the weak and the strong and tk and kyle wanted to keep the tribe physically strong, or at least that was part of their pitch when they said they wanted to vote out Sue. The rest of the tribe obviously was thinking more like you were saying, Lindsay. And even then,

by the way, the odd thing is TK told Dalton Ross that Sue was quote, really strong. And we saw her lugging a huge puzzle piece in the very first challenge oh my gosh yes i forgot about that she put it like yeah i'm not sure how he this is another case of him making contradictory arguments we need to get rid of sue because she's weak even though she's actually strong yeah i have a quote here that he said um what was it? Sorry, let me get my notes. He said, I can't find it.

Oh, Sue doesn't bring anything to the table. I mean, that's why. I know he said that, but at the same time, he recognized that she was strong. So, yeah. But in the end, it didn't matter anyway, because we have said it before. You just said it now. Alliance strength matters more than challenge strength. Yes. You know, there's apparently an alliance of three with Gabe, Sue and Caroline.

Tiana voted with them this time. I'm not sure if she's fully on board, though, if she is as smart as I think she is, she'll play along. And then there's Kyle on the outs. Now, here's the thing. I think if they lose again, they're not just going to vote out Kyle because TK was the one causing the problems. Kyle was just an innocent bystander. Emphasis on innocent. Here's what I think may happen. And you're not going to like Kyle together and turn on Gabe because we've seen signs that Gabe just makes people feel a little twitchy. And I could see that happening.

Yeah. If they pay attention to what he did, they might be like, well, this is really funny. And I know others have said Tiana may find herself on the outs because Gabe, I think she is on the outs. Who's she with? I don't know. I think she's going to try and get in with the women. And I mean, we saw Caroline was twitchy with Gabe till he showed her the idol. Now that he doesn't have the idol, is she still fully on board? I don't know. I don't know if her heart was a hundred percent in it or not not I like this twitchy word this is good I mean that's the best word that I could describe it was just you know um anyway for now that's a

worry for another day for now looking at TK um my point before that tangent was being the biggest physical quote threat on a pre-merge tribe is usually a positive. But that just shows how negative everything else was that we discussed about him to overcome. Yeah, yeah, that's true. I think and I could be wrong here. I think especially because we have such younger players, they are walking into this game prepared to be hungry, be cold, be wet, all the things that usually you want to keep tribe strength because you want to win. You don't want to go to tribal council. You don't want to not have your flint. You don't want to not have your

pot, your machete, this new era. They're like, we don't care. We don't need all that stuff we're playing rice right and so the older people prioritize the comfort but the younger people they're not prioritizing they're prioritizing the social aspect of the game who do we want to keep around who do we feel safest with and that's why i think sue is going to stay loyal to gabe way longer than she should. Yeah, I think everyone's underestimating the bond that they have. I think they're the tightest out of anybody. Maybe not Sue

and Caroline, but I don't know. If Sue is as close to Gabe as you think, and then she's got Caroline because she reminds her of her daughter, that's your three then and then that means right

maybe maybe that's maybe what everybody's saying is that Tiana will be on the outs and it will end up happening that way TK did say that she traded three to move to four I know but TK said a lot of things that were wrong but maybe that's one of the ones he's right about.

Now, one thing that he said that I do think was right was he downplayed his own challenge straight in interviews because he said his tribe overall was stronger than the others. And if he had been on either of the other two tribes, they wouldn't have voted him off. Now, I'm not sure I agree with that reasoning because we've already discussed plenty of reasons to vote him off. Now, I'm not sure I agree with that reasoning because we've already discussed plenty of reasons to vote him off, but it's all hypothetical anyway. To me, the key here was

Tiana. You know, as I mentioned earlier, she practically cited to rule four. She said, when I came out here, I knew that I wanted to be a player that separated emotion from gameplay. I heard that. That was so good. Yes. I could not like you, but I could work with you. But it's a very, very difficult right now because I'm getting a little bit annoyed with TK with his ego. However, strategically, he is a great physical asset to have in these challenges. And I know that I have to sometimes put emotions aside if I want to get farther in the game. And then some would say after talking about it, she went against it. I'm not convinced that's the whole story. I'm going to defend her here. For one thing, Tiana told us she didn't want to work with someone who disrespected her.

And that can be ascribed to emotion. I think it goes beyond that. Someone who disrespects you also isn't going to take you seriously in the game. Look at how TK was talking about game, just doing whatever he says and how he, how TK was playing chess and moving all the pieces around. That's how he seemed to think of them as pieces, not as people while, while telling others to treat them as people. You know, he was telling that to Sue again, another thing that didn't line up another thing that contradicted.

Yeah. As Tiana said, she went with instinct and I do think her instinct was right. I think her quote unquote, emotional reaction was a telltale sign that something deeper was wrong with the way he was playing compared to how she wanted to play yeah i think it's very fair what was her option go with tk and ryan who are ryan kyle oh my god i mean go to rocks at this point i mean was i guess i guess that was the option you know she wasn't going to do that. And I'm curious to see if Gabe and Kyle can convince Tiana. That it would be the three of them.

And then Caroline, Sue and Gabe stick together. They try to get Tiana to vote out. Kyle. They could. I mean, they could try. Right. Like that's the move i guess and then and then and then tiana's the next one to go and then gabe gets what he wants which is heading into the merge

because i don't think they have a ton of tribe strength right now you know i know caroline is um she was a polo player um gabe's competitive but, you know, they say she's got nothing to offer. I don't know about Kyle. I mean, they say that, but I mean, Sue looked like she had a lot to offer, and Kyle looked like he had a lot to offer. So I think they will still be strong. You know, they didn't lose this last challenge because of strength. They lost it on the maze.

Yeah. You know, it had nothing to do with strength. So. Good point. Good point. I'm wrong. I don't admit that often. So you better take advantage of that. We have it on recording. You can ask Andy, by the way, I forgot to tell you, Andy told me to tell you hello. Hello, Andy. Hi. All right all right well the seven you're gonna spend a lot of time with andy yes i did he was fun that's great um going back to the seventh rule we can we can you know wipe this one up pretty quickly here because it covers idols and advantages and game mechanics and of course he didn't get any idols we can get a little insight into how he handled the situation with gabe after he busted him finding a key.

Cause he said in interviews that Gabe pulled him aside later and said he hadn't found anything yet, but TK knew he was lying. And so then as we've discussed it, he spread it around about Gabe having an idol and needing to flush it. I think we could say it's good that he realized what was going on, but Gabe also wasn't exactly James Bond here with his secret plan to, to get him to use it. Yeah.

Yeah. No, I do think that the, I was, I was hopeful when we saw the scene where he busted him and I was thinking, Ooh, this might be like a fun little moment and,

and might become something, but it really didn't really pan out the way that i was hoping it would i think they both had their own ideas with how they were going to utilize that moment both of them were good for themselves but it didn't it didn't really affect the game and in the way that it could have no and i think the best advice that i'm i would want to give to like future survivor players is people question you and don't believe you when you're telling the truth. So when you're lying out there, no one is going to believe you. So your best bet to minimize the damage that you're doing

is just to own up to it. Because if you're lying, people know they're, they always know. Because if you're lying, people know. They always know. Yeah. All right. Well, it is about time to wrap things up. So, Lindsay, what are your final thoughts on TK? My final thoughts on TK is that I think he is a completely lovely person in real life. I think he just got in over his head.

in real life. I think he just got in over his head. He allowed his emotions to take control and he had a hard time separating his emotion from strategy and gameplay. I think that combination with Gabe being on his tribe, who I think is the mastermind behind the scenes, I think it was the perfect storm for him to go home this week. Jessica. Oh, goodness. All right. So, TK, listen, I know if you're listening, we might have said a lot of things about you that you don't appreciate. However, this is what we do here on this podcast

is we break it down and we talk about it. And I just have to go back to what he said in his pregame. And I know we've already talked about it, but it was the I think my social game is obviously going to be my biggest superpower. And again, like we talked, that's just me. Naturally, I can get along with anybody in the world. I don't care where you put me. I mean, even in college, I used to intentionally change my roommates every semester just to meet new people, new types of people. And I never knew who those people are going to be coming in. And I would just meet new people all the time. So I'm

really comfortable with that. And I read that. Did he really change those roommates or did his roommates be like, I got you out of here? That's a great point. He keeps talking while i'm trying to sleep sorry sorry i normally won't do that was great hey i had some of those roommates who i had me too trust me yeah we all did yeah and and hearing that from someone pregame, you think, OK, this is going to be awesome. And you really have high hopes. And he comes across the screen. You can't help but notice him and his smile and his exuberance and his confidence. And these are all things that we want in a survivor player. But it's one thing to recognize that about yourself.

And it's another thing to recognize how that can affect your ability to play this game. And I don't think TK put the two things together. I think he came in thinking, I'm confident. I'm likable. People are going to like me. Can't help but like me. Look at me. And then they were like, look at him. And so and it's just because he just gave too much of himself without realizing sometimes you got to pull it in. Sometimes you have to hold back just a little bit, even though you want to say that thing. Don't say that thing, even though you want to do that thing. Don't do that thing because you're playing a game for a million dollars with people who are looking for any reason to vote somebody out and any reason to point the finger at someone else except at them. out and any reason to point the finger at someone else except at them so for tk i just don't think he was able to appreciate those nuances with this game and how every little thing that you do

can add up and we talked about all of those red flags that kept building and i think he had a whole line of red flags by the time he got to tribal council and he didn't even realize that they were there so unfortunately for tk i think that the idea of him playing survivor was great and i think he had all of the things that you need to play this game well except realizing who he was in this game and how that could affect his game in the end yeah i agree um i just came up with a point. And again, if I don't say it, I'm going to forget about it. But it's something that we haven't talked about him going on the journey at the beginning of the game. And and he said that in his exit interviews that he thinks that that negatively affects his ability to strategize in the beginning. And I don't think

this is talked about enough. It really makes a difference when you are isolated from your tribe, when you hit that beach, you, you imagine for years, for me, it was decades about what you would actually do when you're on that island. And there's, there is something to be said about the people that are there with you. The second your feet hit the beach and you have that, oh shit moment, this is really happening. What are we doing? I know we're supposed to build shelter and start fire and get water and all this stuff,

but like, what do you actually do in those moments? You, there is almost like a sense of panic that you have and you immediately bond with those people we didn't why do you think me carla james and cassidy were like a solid four i mean i think we would have eventually gravitated towards each other but like i don't know what would have happened if one of us had had to stay back and do this challenge it's not a coincidence that it was james and geo i mean uh ryan and geo versus all of us those were the two that were isolated from the tribe the first few hours of the game starting and it's important every you can say like um and and tk had said it he said if i have an opportunity

to go on a journey i'm gonna go and do it Survivor players, y'all can do it, but it comes at a cost, I promise you. Yes. It just does. Yeah. So. We talked last week about how Asia was lucky to escape it because she had Teenie there. Teenie.

Who already knew who she was and wanted to loop her in. Yep. But also, Asia's a super likable person. I'm not saying TK isn't a likable person. But again, it just gives you one more reason. Right. You know, when you're looking for reasons to not like people or to not bond with them, this is what happens. Yeah.

All right. Well, as I mentioned earlier, TK said in his final words that his tribe voted him out because they don't value winning. But we know that's not true. And he even admitted that his tribe voted him out because they don't value winning. But we know that's not true. And he even admitted that his tribe had other strong players on it. TK seemed to have some things going for him. He was strong in challenges. He appeared to have put together a four-person majority alliance with a three-person core inside of it.

He may have been right in saying that on another tribe in different circumstances, his challenge strength could have been valued enough to keep him around. But we can only look at his tribe in different circumstances, his challenge strength could have been valued enough to keep him around. But we can only look at his tribe and these circumstances. And the way he played was such that the negatives outweighed whatever positives that challenge strength might have brought. In the pregame, as you mentioned, Jessica,

TK said he'd use his social game to make up for any situation where him being a challenge beast got him in trouble. Instead, it was the opposite. TK annoyed Sue with the way he treated her. TK annoyed Tiana with the way he also treated her in a different manner. TK annoyed Gabe through the way he acted strategically. He went after Sue in tribal council, telling her how to play. Quote, that's the things you have to do on Survivor. You have to have those conversations. If you're not, we all know by watching the game, things can change. Well, apparently he didn't see from watching the game that taking a leadership position and telling people what to do is not generally a great idea. He admitted he didn't

really talk to Tiana or Caroline. And the way he talked to Gabe was not exactly conducive of a great relationship. As we mentioned in the fifth rule, TK said he had a lot of confidence and refused to change for the game. The thing is, this game is all about altering your behavior so you can work with others, not insisting on being yourself and saying everyone else should adapt to you. You can't just come into Survivor with a personality like that and say, you're not going to dim your light because then other people will ensure that your torch's light is snuffed out for you.

TK said he was playing chess. Everybody else was playing checkers, but they were the ones deciding which game was being played. And he got double jumped. And that is why TK lost. That's good, David. Well done. Love

that. Yeah. Excellent. They dimmed his light. That's right. They snuffed his light. Before we get to our predictions for the next episode, I do want to quickly remind people that the rules we just discussed are available

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so we'll talk about this first you can find me on twitter I'm at jessicalewis89 I'm also on instagram at jessicalewis6789. But I really just steal all the content from David Bloomberg because he posts so much content. And he has a link tree in order to tell everyone where they can find him, the social guru that he is, which you can see if you are watching. He has many, many locations where you can find David Bloomberg. So where can they find you, David Bloomberg? Yes, you can find me on my link tree at

link tree slash David Bloomberg. And in the URL, there's a dot before the E because that's just the way they do it. You could find me directly on Twitter and Blue Sky is at David Bloomberg on threads is at David Bloomberg TV. And as you mentioned, I am on YouTube, TikTok and Instagram is at David Bloomberg TV. Now, I say that I have been posting three or more videos per day through the summer. But this past week, it's been four or five every day. It's just crazy. All the Big Brother, all the Survivor content, plus some additional shows like The Circle and The Anonymous and The Traders Canada. like The Circle and The Anonymous and The Traders Canada.

By the way, I am also co-hosting a podcast on The Traders Canada on The Tradar, which is T-R-A-I-D-A-R. If you could find that wherever you get your podcasts. So, yeah, I'm a little bit busy right now, but people can definitely find me wherever they want. Lindsay, where can they find you? I don't know my handles. find me wherever they want. Uh, Lindsay, where can they find you? I don't know my handles. I am mostly on Instagram, uh, posting about my kids and Taylor Swift and you know,

all the fun cheesy, uh, stuff that I post. And then you can usually find me on Twitter. I'm trying to get better about tweeting in real time when I'm watching the episode. I don't know how you guys do it. I really don't because I can't like watch the show and tweet at the same time. I mean, there's a reason that, you know, there's more than one reason I have to rewatch and tweet. I don't know how you do it. Yeah. So I'm trying to get better about that. But Twitter is mostly just for like survivor content. Otherwise it's sensory overload for me, but I love talking to fans. I'm always at a lot of the survivor events. I'm going to Rob has a podcast in New York.

I'll be at a lot of the Bryce and when events coming up soon. So come say hi. I love, love, love talking to fans. So yeah, that's where you can find me. All right. Okay well uh time for predictions and i will go ahead first um in the preview we saw annika seemingly getting snotty and asking sam and sierra if they're dating which is a rather odd question uh we also see sam say he's pissed off but we don't know if that's related to Annika or something completely different. He could have stubbed his toe for all we know.

And in this episode, even though Gata won the challenge, we saw them squabbling with each other several times during it. And as TK said to Dalton Ross in an interview about his own tribe's behavior during the challenge, the game on the island can quickly transition into challenges as well. And I would add vice versa. So I do think that was an indicator. I mean, we already know there's some squabbling going on there and yeah, I think that will carry it. Meanwhile, Rome feels like he's running the game. He said that on, in the preview, which is typically something we hear from someone who's about to be voted out, but we know he, well, I believe, and Jessica believes,

he can't be voted out because he has the immunity title. Lindsay would believe, well, that's why he's saying he's running the game, because he's going to use his idol some other way. This is the t-shirt moment right here. Yes, that's right. I love it. I already mentioned what I think if two coup loses again, that,

that it's possible Gabe would go. Although the more we've talked about it, I'm not so convinced of that. And, you know, but I think if, if God loses going back to that tribe, Sam will protect Andy and Annika

will go. And I also previously mentioned, of course, which started this whole bet, that if Lavo loses, my prediction from last week of Genevieve stands. And so what I'm going to do after saying all that is stand by

my prediction of last week, that Genevieve is the one who goes next fascinating okay all right Jessica you want to go next I'm trying to pull up the tribes because I think this is my

cheat sheet everyone I printed this so that way I can see everyone oh I want one of those where'd you get that I got it online isn't this great nice got a nice little little cheat sheet here I you know here's the thing I always feel like I get it wrong anyway right it's like it doesn't really matter at this point um but oh goodness i i want to go back i do want to go back to gotta because i just i do feel like there's been so much andy like we've seen so much andy that i feel like there there's there's got to be a reason it's like we're seeing so much rome like I feel like there's gotta be a reason there's gotta be a reason

I love that so I do feel like we need to go back to gotta and I think that the the Sam saving Andy component is is going to come true and I agree with

Annika but I think it's gonna be gotta and I think it's gonna be Annika alright so if it's going to be Gada and I think it's going to be Annika Okay Alright, so if it's Tuku I believe Kyle's the one that's going home If it's Gada

I think it is Anika going home, even though I think it should be Andy Oh, is it Anika? No, it's Anika. Anika. I'm sorry. My brain's not working.

All right. And then who do I have left? Lavo? Yep. I think Rome's going home. Yeah, you got to stick to it. She's really sticking to the t-shirt. Well, you got to.

You got to stick to it now. She can't change that. I'm actually questioning why you guys think there's a chance that he would not go home. Because he has an idol. It doesn't matter. They will either get him to play for someone else or they won't get him to play it at all.

Well, there's no way he's not playing at all. I mean, it's a one-use idol. Someone could say, let me hold it. I don't know. We'll see. We'll'll see so which do you think will actually happen which of those three did I just close that out

let's go go all the way and just say Rome yeah Rome let's go Rome might as well you've gone this far with it you might as well might as well we've gone this far with it you might as well might as well stick to it alright we'll go all in Rome that doesn't mean that I don't like you

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Scott St. Pierre, the editing is fantastic. Jessica Sterling, producer, editor. We love all of the work that you do, all of the content, not just with Why Blank Lost. But there is so much material out there. I believe Lindsay might have said sometimes it can be an, but there is so much material out there. I believe Lindsay might've said, sometimes it can be an overload because there is so much. And that might've been a discussion we were having prior to, but there is so much content that if you want to learn about how to play survivor,

this is where you want to be. You want to be looking at this page. You want to be starting this right here, start with us and then work backwards. This is something you should definitely consider. So thank you to everyone for all of the work. The RHAP staff team is fantastic. Lindsay, thank you for joining us.

Thank you for placing this bet against me in particular. That's my way of just assuring that you guys asked me to come back so she's bribing us with t-shirts oh this is a very smart game move I try I try I try I love it but dare I say that I'm a

regular now can we say that yes you can say that I mean I think we can say that we took a picture in Chicago with the return. Me, I mean, Jessica unfortunately couldn't make it, but you, me, and Heidi as the

returning guest. And guess who's going to be here next week with us? Heidi. Is she? Yes. So yes, we have Heidi coming next week and we have Liz coming the week after that so wow yes wow all these Chicago connections I love it I love it I love it well I think it just speaks to how much we love the two of you as previous Survivor players.

And it just brings us so much joy. And as much as I love to joke around with you guys in all seriousness, coming on here and being able to chat with Survivor is just one of the highlights of like this entire experience. So thank you guys for letting me come on here and talk with you and share my survivor knowledge. So I appreciate it. Well, thank you. Thank you. Yeah. As always, we're, you know, we're very happy to have you come on and, uh, you know, keep coming on. So I love it. Thank you. So yeah, especially if you keep buying us. That's not the reason um but yes thank you again thank you jessica for another great episode and yeah we will be back here in a week with heidi uh be sure that you watch uh why blank and blank since it was a double eviction lost uh for big brother That's already published. I recorded that like two hours, less than

two hours before recording this one. So plenty of content out there and we will see you soon. Bye. Bye. If you lost Survivor and you're feeling down David and Jessica

will turn it around. They'll break down the rules and they'll show you how. You played yourself and got voted out. This is why Blank lost. This is why Blank lost. Oh baby, this is why Blank lost. you