RHAP: We Know Survivor - Why ___ Lost: Survivor 47 Ep 7

Episode Date: November 2, 2024

Even though twists meant only four out of 12 players were eligible to be voted out this week, a quirk of chance turned it into a Tuku Tribal Council where they all had history and good reasons for their decision. As David Bloomberg and Jessica Lewis discuss, it was like traveling back in time to deal with where Tiyana stood – and thought she stood – with each of them. Did the past come back to haunt her or were there new issues? At RHAP, we know Survivor, and we know Why Tiyana Lost.

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Welcome back to Why Blank Lost. I'm David Bloomberg. And while Rachel said that nobody can deny her rock draw was the worst case scenario, my co-host Jessica Lewis might just say there was one that was worse. There definitely was one that was worse. And it was one that cost me a million dollars. So, yeah, I tend to disagree with that statement just a little bit. Just a little bit.

Yes, that was a very, very Rachel-centered quote. Very Rachel-centered. Come on, Rachel. Think of me. And think of the other individuals who had to go to rocks and have their games destroyed because of it. It's very sad. But mostly think of you. Yes.

Think of me. Think of me kindly. Yes. And of course, for those of you who are on video, you can already see, but those of you on audio cannot see, that Jessica is actually playing the role of Jeff Probst today in honor of Halloween. Yes, in the spirit of Halloween, I thought, well, I should rock a hat and a blue button-up shirt. So here I am playing my best Jeff Probst. So I highly doubt I will do as well as he often does, but we'll try. I will try.

Yes. For those of you who may not have seen it yet, I was on the RHAP Halloween week, Grant Steele, where I was the evil wizard. For those of you who don't see what he's doing, he has a magic wand. Well, and I just made flame appear from nowhere. All the fun we have. Listen, I

do love Halloween. I really do. I think Halloween is great. And I'm very sad that my children are grown and no longer allow me to make their crazy costumes as I used to. So that definitely makes me sad. I remember when your daughter dressed up as you. She did. That was so much fun.

She had bloody bleeding eyes in her survivor attire. It was great. What a good year that was. Yes. Oh my goodness. Speaking of that that was. Yes. Oh, my goodness. Speaking of that rock draw, yes. Yeah, that whole thing. Bringing it all back around, right? Yes. Yeah.

But let's, you know, continue to move back around to my prediction last week. Because I said Tiana would get voted out voted out oh and it happened in such a clear huh yeah it it happened in such a clear and not at all convoluted way it was obvious oh no oh because i would like to remind you who my pick was it was Rachel hmm hmm yeah isn't it interesting too bad for you too bad for the the entire universe of survivor lovers that have to watch all of these insane whatever you want to call them it's oh we'll get to that yes I know we will but Rachel was my choice and I'm sorry, but you ended up having your pick go home because of some convoluted, ridiculous. Now,

now we're about to do a whole podcast about why my winner, my not my winner pick, why the person went home. It's not because of that. I mean, it is partially, but I think she's not saying it's all that, but I,

I do think, and we will obviously get into this i do think because remember we made our predictions you know without knowing what would happen for sure yeah but um i i do think there was a good chance she would have gone anyway uh which we'll get into um so, because that's why I made that prediction. All right, well. Obviously, all of my predictions are 100% correct. Yeah, who was your winner pick? I mean, all of my predictions within the past week have been 100% correct.

Yeah, you're killing it out there. You're doing a great job. Great job. Go me. yeah you're you're killing it out there you're doing a great job great job go me yes we do have a lot to discuss about this particular episode and poor tiana and how she ended up being sent home yeah and you know we had talked previously about annika's very real reaction to getting blindsided and we again had an incredibly emotional exit here in fact as she was talking after rachel left she was going on about how terrible it would be to leave at this point and everything else it was very much foreshadowing and it reminded me very

much of well you before the rock draw uh when you talked about how upset you would be if you draw drew the wrong one there was a lot of that same energy there oh goodness survivor can do some terrible things too emotionally especially when it's coming down to something like that so yeah yeah it's tough time tough time now of course no matter how a player reacts or how emotional they are upon leaving we always figure out what they did wrong by following the same path uh and we'll do it again here comparing tiana's game to my rules for winning that i originally wrote way back after season one and have been updating ever since using all the non-spoiler information available to us from what we saw on TV, interviews, social media, and secret scenes.

The newest version of the rules can, of course, be found on the website. RobHasAWebsite.com slash YXLostE. But before we address how Tiana did in terms of the rules, we always have some other things to discuss from the episode. And you've already hinted at one of them. I did. in terms of the rules, we always have some other things to discuss from the episode. And you've already hinted at one of them because although there are some very good reasons for the vote to have ended up the way it did, which we will of course discuss the fact that production made eight of 12 people immune is absolutely ridiculous and unacceptable.

They need to let them play. Yes, please let them play. Yes. There's no reason to be adding these components when the players who are part of this game want to have a chance to actually come together, merge, maybe create some new relationships, form some bonds, try to mix things up a little bit. We saw a lot of discussion being had amongst the women who wanted to come together and create an alliance. And it's just, it's so sad to see the, what could have been be essentially like just taken away because they wanted to throw in this advantage. And as you said,

literally make eight people immune out of 12, it's, it's unnecessary. And I, I understand that they want to mix things up and they want to keep it fresh and different. But gameplay can be fresh and different. People can backstab. People can scheme and plot. There's all of these things that they can do without having these little trinkets. You sound like me in the TikTok discussion of, you know, where I said the same thing and, you know, there's someone saying, oh, they need to know, there's someone to go, they need to make it interesting.

Well, there are other ways to make it interesting. Yeah. You let them play. Yeah. And, you know, we will, as I said, discuss that the result can absolutely be explained, but the chances of getting a result like this, where we can say, here are all the reasons they were not great. In fact, as soon as we saw the split on TV, Rachel tweeted at Dr. Christian Hubicki to ask him the odds

of this exact thing happening. And he quickly responded to let her and everyone else know there was less than a 0.9% chance would end up like this wow there was a much better chance of some weird random assortment of people who barely knew each other that could have resulted in someone truly getting screwed yeah no i i don't like this at all no i don't like none of any of that yeah and because of that, as part of this discussion, we need to bring back our Jeff Probst is wrong about blank segment because in the on fire podcast, he talked about, yes, yes, yes. You are wrong. Jeff Probst on my screen. I am wrong. Yeah, that's yeah. There we go. All right. I should have never done that.

The first time we've ever heard him admit that. I'll play this up. In his On Fire podcast, he talked about the sharing of information when it comes to idols and advantages. And as part of that discussion, he said, what we've learned over the years is the format works. If you put interesting, compelling people on, let them play the game. We just keep following the story. Now, I know. Yeah, I know he wasn't talking specifically about. The rock draw situation, but it's like he wasn't connecting the dots in his own brain. It's like, yes, Jeff, you have learned over the years that the format works. So again, listen to yourself and let them play the game.

And I will say that there, there used to be much more like drama surrounding the playing of an idol when it was so unexpected and there weren't a whole bunch of advantages floating around. Now everyone expects that there's like three that are just out there and that could be played at any minute. And so it really does take away the ability to just play the game. And I think the drama that comes along with playing an idol and saving yourself, saving someone else. And in one of those, those moments that we can all remember those really intense game plays and, you know, Kelly Wentworth, when she saved herself. And I mean, there's,

there's some, some moment, I mean, Russell Hance when he was finding idols and playing and no one knew that this was happening and he was finding them just on his own because he was looking all of those things i think have lent to the watchers of the show being really like oh my god this is so exciting now it's like oh here's another advantage i mean it's it's kind of like inflation you know uh you know it's, what's a better way to say it? Um, it's excitement inflation. You know, everybody used to get excited for one idol, but now it's like, Jeff thinks you need three idols to do the work of one or you need, you know, and, and so, yeah.

Um, but I will say, uh, speaking of, uh, idols and there's a bit of a tangent that I will say that even Jeff expressed astonishment about everyone sharing everything. And yes, he were playing. Yeah. He said he wouldn't want to do that. So Jeff does agree with us sometimes, just not on the important stuff. Yeah. Yeah. People do need to stop sharing so much information in addition to, and Survivor stops needing to put so many advantages into the game. See, problem solved. Done and done. Yeah. Good job. Two very easy things. Right. Listen, I'll work on it. I'll talk to my people. Okay.

Okay. All right. Well, moving to a couple other items from this episode, I want to mention the scene we saw of Genevieve and Andy coming together to form a duo at the beginning of the episode, or near the beginning. Viewed in the context of the episode episode overall it really didn't fit with anything that happened so we have to ask ourselves why was it there and mark my words there was an important reason and i say that that reason is that these two are going far together. Because, you know, in the grand scheme of production, sometimes if a scene happens on one day, they may show it on another day.

If that's better with the storyline. But this was too linked to what happened with Andy having been the backup vote. It wouldn't have made sense to show it any other time. So if it was important to the future storyline, they had to show it in this episode when they did. Right. Yeah. And that's the key. They would not have shown this if it weren't important.

So people, when it turns out to be, remember, you heard it here first or or you saw me tweet about it or make a video about it first because i did those some somewhere in the david bloomberg universe of social media posting and podcasting you said it first yes exactly. And I, I am still astonished that Andy is doing as well as he is considering where he came from, like where this all started from. It's really amazing. I said at the beginning, it wasn't a Banu situation. It was an Emily situation. Yeah, it's really incredible.

And he's really been able to figure it out, turn it around and get a read on people. And I really do think that he minimized any type of threat level that he had because of the initial blow up and how he was acting. And so no one was really worried about Andy. well, they better be worried about Andy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. Now, I also suspect Saul will be involved in that alliance somehow since he already had something going with Genevieve and we also saw Andy pushing him for an alliance

after Saul admitted he voted for Andy. But I want to instead focus on Saul's incredible acting performance. Oh, because I do think that he fooled everyone as he sat there watching Rachel play this. Even though. He was using a technique that I have criticized myself when it comes to players on the traders. And even in games of mafia where the guilty party pretends to not know what's going on as a cover, like in traders,

there'll be like, how many traders are there? Who's a trader? What are traders do? I have no idea. Yeah. That's because you're a trader, you know,

and in games of mafia, there'll be like, Mafia? What's the Mafia? How many Mafia are there? What did you say, Game Master? I can't remember. It's like, okay, you're Mafia. And I suppose someone could realize what he was doing and circle back later, but there was so much going on in that moment. I think it would be hard for them to focus just on him. Oh, I think Genevieve was all over it. I know. I know that you and a couple other people have said

or tweeted like, oh, that look, but that was one look out of a long, you know. Yeah, but she's a smart cookie. I just feel like she's she's paying attention and and i will say salt was this whole episode was salt centered and i loved it and it was fantastic he was just a shining light and very enjoyable in every in every every sense of the word. Like the sun, which is also called soul, which is spelled the same as he spells his name. Right.

Shining light. What was so funny about his reaction during that tribal was it was so unlike Saul. I feel like he was, because it was, it was so extra. Like Saul has never really been extra, extra. And I was concerned with Saul at the beginning when he was because it was it was so extra like Saul has never really been extra extra. And I was concerned with Saul at the beginning when he was with pregame interviews that he seemed a little demure, I guess. There was like a very there was a quietness about him. And I was like, I don't know if he's really going to be able to like get that that he needs.

And he's but he's been kind of maintaining that. And it and it's been fantastic like it's really been working for him but then to watch him in that tribal you're like well this is like a little bit extra Saul right now so I don't know if anybody all were I mean like Sam was over the top like oh my god what's going on right but Sam is a little more like that where I feel like you know saul doesn't usually present that way but it was the facial expressions were hilarious it was very very entertaining and just the just utter confusion like what's going on what does it say it's great it was great yes i i think that he will i think he'll let a few key people know and that's what i was wondering is who is he going to share this information with if anyone

yeah originally i was thinking and i still think that he would likely tell rachel to try and gain some favor and that makes sense but on the know-it-alls, they talked about like, if you're Rachel, while you can be thankful, does that mean you'd never take him to the end? I mean, David played an idol on you. Would you have ever taken David to the end? No, because I knew if I sat next to him, I was losing in two seconds because I owed my entire game to that man. So, yes, I can understand that wholeheartheartedly her not bringing him for that reason. Yes. So I think he's going to want to gauge reactions and only tell those he

believes are close allies. Yes. But then we've also seen this entire cast likes to play telephone. So I'm curious if that would end up being shared with other people, even if he wanted to try to keep it tightly contained yeah we'll have to see we'll have to see it would be interesting if he doesn't tell anyone makes it to the final three and then we finally get like a final three reveal where it's like hey by the way you know that thing that that was me yeah and how that would end up affecting people who are on the jury because nobody, I mean,

Tiana's not on the jury, so it's certainly not going to offend the person that went home. So that would be interesting if we could finally get like a final three reveal like that. Now, speaking of Rachel, I do want to mention that she has apparently made quite an impression on the other tribes, or at least on Tuku, in just a couple days of Merge. Because Gabe talked about her being very personable, very charismatic, and very smart. While Caroline said she was the most dangerous player in the game and connecting with everyone, even calling her the glue of the Goddard tribe.

Now, were both of them motivated to keep the target on Rachel when they were saying those things? Yeah, they were. Sure. But nobody like looked at them and told them that they were crazy. Like Tiana didn't respond and be like, who are you talking about? Yeah. So other people must at least be mentioning it, even though we haven't seen it. I don't know. I think it's something to watch for as we move forward. But it seems to be one of those classic survivor tell don't show, which is the reverse of what they should do.

But they seem to be telling us Rachel is doing all these things, even though we aren't necessarily seeing. And I'm wondering, though, if Tiana didn't want to really try to protect Rachel because she didn't want people to know that she was interested in working with Rachel because she was trying to form all women's alliance. And I'm curious if maybe that was why she kind of minimized any type of response to that. But who knows? Again, if we didn't see all of it, maybe we didn't see her responding in that particular way. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Do you have anything or anyone else you want to discuss before we get to the rules no i think you have touched upon everything that i felt i needed to speak on okay well there were of course some other things going on that i have already or will be putting in uh you know my youtube shorts at david bloomberg tv uh including uh you including what we talked about in the intro,

if Jessica gives me permission, to compare the two rock draws. Not to put you on the spot there, Jessica. I didn't mean to. No, no, no. Listen, have fun with it. Do whatever you like. It would be okay.

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but the poster really looks pretty badass, I must say. Like, Eric did a great job with it. He really did. He did. He really did. It's phenomenal. Yeah. All right. Well, as I said earlier, it's ridiculous that production set things up.

So only four out of 12 players were eligible to be voted out this week. However, even with that said, there are very good reasons Tiana was the target. And Rob even predicted in the know-it-alls that we talk about them. Indeed, in a way, we lucked out in terms of who was left to be potentially voted out. It wasn't a random assortment of people that could have gone in any direction. It was a whole tribe, and we know their past. Now, Tiana may not agree with the idea that this softens the blow, but I personally believe it's at least better to be voted out for a reason than to be voted out just because you happen to randomly be placed in a group. Yeah. And to be honest,

that also makes it a lot more interesting for this podcast. But my point is that even though production really worked hard to screw someone over, Random Chance put Tiana's fate right where it had been before, with her original tribe. Which meant that it was like traveling back in time to deal with where she stood and where she thought she stood with each of them. Sometimes the past comes back to haunt you. Was that the case here, Or were there new issues? At RHAP, we know Survivor, and we know why Tiana lost.

The first and most important rule is, of course, to skim and plot. And Tiana was definitely doing that. The problem was that, once again, we have a situation where other players were well doing it better yes she believed she had an alliance with kyle and caroline and even believed sue was with her and that's why she was so surprised and knew she was in trouble when Jeff read her name the second time because the only one she expected should have come from Gabe. But all along, for days now, Caroline and Sue had been, to use her own word, bamboozling her. Yes.

And I really do think that the relationship that we've seen with Caroline and Sue really becomes so significant in these smaller sized tribes. Right. Because two people can have a huge impact when you are not dealing with an entire merged group like 12. Right. When you're down to this smaller size, as the tribes were only six start. And now we have five that have to vote. So it really does show how important it is to have that ride or die, to have that number two, because you never know if you're going to find yourself in a situation where it really is down to such a small number, four people that are eligible to be voted out. When you get to four and you have two people together, you've almost got a majority right so i really think that that too unfortunately for tiana

she didn't have that she was never able to do she thought she did that's the bigger problem is yes it's it's not only that she didn't have it it's she thought she had it you know she thought she had it. She thought she easily had three. And there was a trio in that tribe. It just didn't include her. And in addition to that, we, of course, saw Tiana, you mentioned it earlier, trying to help shape a cross-tribal women's alliance in this episode. And it's possible that would have helped her out if there had been a normal vote. And it's possible that would have helped her out if there had been a normal vote. But even then, it is clear that at least two of the women were not with her,

especially since she wanted to use that alliance to go after Gabe. Yeah. So this is why I'm saying, even if it had been a normal vote, it still might have been Tiana. You know, and with the way the vote ended up, everything reverted back to the way things were going in the original to crew, which was definitely not good for her. Yeah. And I thought it was interesting that she thought that she had such a close bond with Kyle because I never really sensed that they were that close. But she really thought that they were like, I mean, Kyle was the one who told her that Gabe was coming after her.

Now, that's fair. She was with what she thought was the man, Kyle and T.K. Originally, you know, she turned them T.K. Right. Which is why I thought it was strange that she thought, you know, Kyle would just revert back to her yeah but also remember that that was how they knew for sure that rome was lying or at least uh exaggerating um was because he claimed that kyle was saying these things about uh tiana which he partially was but still that was what Tiana thought about it, you know, was so, you know, it does lead us. I do think we should go back in time a little bit to see how things ended up this way, because when she flipped against TK,

she was criticized by many people. And I saw many of those same criticisms rising again when she was voted out. It might initially seem like there is some legitimacy to that criticism because, of course, that didn't really put her inside the core tribal alliance. But I didn't buy that and I still still don't because can we really criticize someone? And this is a trick question. Cause I know your answer, but can we really criticize someone for not wanting to risk a rock draw in

the very first vote for their tribe? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's ridiculous. And she said in interviews that she was never going to do that. I think the bigger problem is that she believed once tk was gone she was going to be in solid with caroline and sue and kyle not realizing

that as much as the other two women talked about unity in the tribe they didn't really meet it. No. You know, of course, she wasn't the first in the tribe to fall to this, as TK himself noted in his exit interviews that he didn't realize how close Gabe and Sue were. He saw Caroline and Sue as a pair,

not the three of them as a trio. And Tiana was in the same boat telling Mike Bloom, I didn't know how close Sue and Gabe were the entire time that he had his little his two little birds that were basically keeping their eye on me. Caroline, in particular, really played Tiana as, you know, Tiana never would have proposed to her that they vote out Gabe otherwise. Yeah. And I do think that we saw a lot of that coming forward. Like the response that Caroline had to that vote during that vote, I think, was a very emotional one for her. But I think that she made and I know Tiana actually talked about this.

Caroline really made the right choice for her as far as the numbers are concerned. And but still, that doesn't make it any easier when you have to make these decisions. And this is what you're you're left with, because then it really becomes obvious where your loyalties were and you you can't necessarily keep them a secret like i think now it's going to be a little bit blown up for everyone how connected certain people are even though before they might not have known that yes yes um now i do want to return once once more for a moment to the TK vote, because I mentioned that Tiana knew the only option was to vote TK out or go to Rox.

But as we also just discussed, she was unaware of how solid Gabe, Sue, and Caroline were. And I feel like we're missing something here. Because if those three were tight enough to go to rocks how did she not see that they were operating as a unit i think the only possible answer is that caroline and sue did some good work to convince her that they were just using gabe at the time. But that's the only thing. Yeah, exactly.

That's the only thing that makes sense to me. Well, because I do, again, have to give credit to Sue and Caroline for playing people the way that they were. They really were saying the things they needed to say to make Tiana feel a particular way while keeping Gabe in the position that they needed to keep him in. And so they're doing a really great job at maintaining the relationships in a way that will benefit themselves, not necessarily benefit the other people. And so I would imagine that there was probably some of that going on in order to downplay any relationship that they might have with Gabe.

Like, listen, Tiana, we're just doing this because we have to, you know, in order to make Gabe feel like this is going to be okay. Because really, yes,

that's a great point. It doesn't make any sense otherwise. Yeah. Now I do want to also address the revelation that came from Tiana telling Mike Bloom that Rachel actually told her about the advantage shortly before tribal council. Right now. Yeah. Of course, there was essentially no time to do anything with this information unless she decided to bring it up in tribal council itself. She told Mike that she sometimes wished she could go, you know, that she would have told Kyle and Caroline so they could

plan a vote against Gabe. But she also recognizes now that Caroline and Sue were so tight with Gabe anyway. And I think she's, you know, I think she's arrived at the right answer there in that last part. There really is nothing that she could have done even with that information. She wasn't going to change Caroline and Sue's votes. Well, and even if she had told everyone about this advantage, the way that the advantage worked, there was nothing that could be done anyway. Because Rachel's literally leaving. She's just walking out the door. So and I know they didn't know.

I don't think she told Tiana what the advantage was. So if Tiana had decided during tribal council to say, hey, by the way, not for nothing, but this is what Rachel told me immediately before we came into tribal council, would Rachel have said, yeah, actually, that's true. And here it is. I'm leaving. Bye. So we still would have been in the same situation. And she could have said, and Tiana just tried to throw me under the bus.

So be mindful of that everyone if you want to play with tiana certainly wouldn't have made tiana look good no no all right well we can move to the second rule which says not to scheme and plot too much and to keep your scheming secret and tiana had some problems here um primarily the issue was that once tiana realized Gabe wanted her out and she therefore wanted the same for him, she went about handling it in a way that was almost guaranteed to draw negative attention to herself. And of course,

I'm mostly talking about her going to the mixed tribe social hour reward and throwing Gabe under the bus. Way under the bus. Yes. I'm mostly talking about her going to the mixed tribe social hour reward and growing Gabe under the bus way under the bus. Yes. Now Tiana said in her interviews that she talked to everyone about wanting Gabe out. So people would know she could be used as a number and that they shouldn't target the two coup tribe in general, because they were not a unified unit. Tiana even anticipated our criticism of that move by telling Mike Bloom,

a lot of people were like, oh, that was too big of a move too soon. I'm like, honestly, I should have doubled down on it even more. But no, sorry, Tiana. It was too big of a move too soon. But no. Yeah. But no. Yeah. But well, and, and I do think that there is, this is a good point to just kind of underline, emphasize, italicize,

put in bold. When you have these little like gatherings, let other people talk if they want. Like there's no reason to offer up so much information because we've seen it time and time again. Then you become the topic of discussion amongst everyone else. Because when when those people who are at that reward or at that thing come back together, they're like, so what do you all talk about? Oh, you should have heard what Tiana was saying back there. I mean, it's like and so you end up getting thrown under the bus because you're trying to throw someone else under the bus, but it's, it's not going to work the way that you necessarily want it to.

There's a way to plant seeds and then there's a way to just overdo it. And if she had really doubled down, it would have been even worse for her. Yeah. I mean, it couldn't have been worse, but yes. But at that moment it could have been. But at that moment, it could have been. I do want to acknowledge that when she tried to throw Gabe under the bus that way, she was under the misconception that we talked about already, that other members of her tribe, specifically Caroline and Sue, were on her side. So that makes some of the things she did, we were like how could you do that in front

of sue and caroline it's at least more understandable sure her believing they were on her side but it was still a problem for all the reasons you just gave because even if you fully trust everyone on your tribe who was there you're giving away information to other players from other tribes who don't know you and who you don't really know. And you're trusting that they won't use it against you. Yeah. And you are showing that you can't necessarily be that loyal if you're willing to throw your people under the bus immediately.

She wasn't trying to show, she was trying to show the opposite, as a matter of fact. Well, she was trying to gain favor with them. Well, she was trying to show there are cracks here. Let me help you break those cracks. Sure, but you're providing the information

to essentially what is at that point the enemy. Right. Like these are people that you you haven't worked with that you don't know yet. And you're like, here's all of this information. But at the same time, what you're doing by revealing that information is you are showing yourself to be a crack and not necessarily just Gabe. You know, it's like, oh, so, maybe Tiana is the issue and it's not Gabe because she's here saying all of these things about Gabe. And so they might question their ability to even work with you moving forward, because my gosh, if she's willing to throw her

own people under the bus, knowing us for five seconds, what's she going to do four days from now, five days from now, when we actually decided we want to try to work with her, she might throw us under the bus. And so you end up creating more issue for yourself because you don't come across the way that you're hoping to come across. And we we've seen that it happened to Rome. And I realize Rome is different than Tiana, but you know, it happened to Kyle. Like people are sharing information and then immediately they're the person that they were talking about finds out what they said and then it turns into a whole thing it's it's just not it's not a good look it's not a good way to be when you were i'm just meeting people it's just because they you don't know them enough to understand what their response is going to be right exactly and you know she

talked about wanting to double down. And it looks like that's what she was going for, because even as she was preparing for this tribal council, she wanted to still declare herself open for business because she said in interviews that if Rachel had still been there, she would have voted for Gabe, even knowing that everyone else was going to vote for Rachel. Right. Just to show, Hey, look, I'm still here. I'm still the crack, you know?

Um, and if you need to vote someone out, it can be me. Yeah. Well, I mean, I understand again, wanting to show you can be picked up as a number,

but in doing so, she didn't seem to consider, well, there were two things she didn't seem to consider well there were two things she didn't seem to consider one everything that you just said and two she was also showing all of the two coup that she was turning on them right four other players right you'd better be damn sure you have the majority if you're dumping all your allies like that. And she wasn't. She was just looking for someone new.

You know, she assumed that those that. Three of those allies would jump with her, even though she had advertised that she wasn't with them. And now compare this with someone like Andy. Who now knows that the other gotta don't fully have his back. But he's not out there advertising. He wants to turn on them. Right. He is secretly and slowly building numbers while also still maintaining apparently friendly relationships with them.

And that is what you really need to do is keep, what is it? Keep your scheming secret. And you want to keep the people who are like your enemies close, right? And so Andy really is taking that information, tucking it away, saying, okay, this is something I might need to deal with later, but for now we're going to let it be until I need to actually work on this. And he's also letting other people approach him, which is also the better play, right? Because then you are the recipient of information as opposed to the giver of information. And so then you can respond to it however you think is going to be best for your own game.

If you want to throw somebody in the bus because they came to you with information or if you say, well, this is beneficial to me and something that I might want to consider in my game working with this person. So he's definitely in a much better spot than Tiana ever was in regards to how she was dealing with being a potential crack. Yes. Yes. I love that we're calling her a crack. Yeah, well, I mean, she basically, you know, she tripped all, you know, using that term. So, all right, well, we can go to the third rule, which tells players to be flexible. How do you think Tiana did in terms of this rule? I don't think she did well.

in terms of this rule? I don't think she did well. And I say that because she got so fixated on Gabe and really wanting to remove him from the game. It became kind of like her center. And I don't think it helped her in rebuilding the relationship with him. And I know Gabe felt similarly about her as well. So that does make it very problematic.

But she really seemed very focused on Gabe. And then she also, I think really, it's interesting that she was considering wanting to work with the women, which you would think, okay, well, she's being flexible because she's keeping her options open. And I do tend to lean that way. But at the same time, I feel like her reasons for wanting to do it were not necessarily, this is the best thing for my game. I think it was more like, this is going to help solidify my also getting rid of Gabe. It seemed, everything seemed very like Gabe focused, right? And I'm just, so I feel like that affected her ability to really make the choices that she needed to be making to further her game because she was so focused on Gabe. Yeah, because I agree with everything you said. The only thing I have to add

is on one hand, opening up yourself for business in such an obvious manner could be seen as being very flexible sure but as we discussed it also put a wall between her and the other two coup and a wall of course is the opposite of flexible right and it's like working with tiana came with and you also need to dislike gabe like that was like, you gotta be like, okay, I'm going to work with you. But Gabe, we're going to work together. But Gabe, you and I, Gabe, you know, it's like that, that became like everything that she wanted was a Gabe vote. Yes. Yes.

All right. Then we can go to the fourth rule, which tells players not to let their emotions control them. Now, this was an area where we can applaud Tiana. Because she even said back in episode two, when I came out here, I knew that I wanted to be a player that separated emotion from gameplay. I could not like you, but I could work with you.

Now, of course, when she said that, she was debating whether or not to keep TK. And some people said that after talking about it, she immediately went against it. In our Why TK Lost podcast, I defended her because she had said she didn't want to work with someone who disrespected her. And while she ascribed that to emotion, I thought that it went beyond that because someone who disrespects you also isn't going to take you seriously in the game. Now, since then, and especially

for her upon re-watching it, she thinks she had a bit of a misread on him in terms of whether there was actual disrespect there. And I'm also sure that the two of them talking in Ponderosa helped that as well. But as we discussed earlier,

none of that really mattered because her choices were limited to vote out tk go to rocks her emotions really didn't matter in that vote yeah and i i do think that she tried to put her feelings aside regarding gabe for a moment when she apologized to him as well there's a big honking air quotes about apologizing i said it slowly on purpose because it was an apology as you know yes it wasn't much of an apology but she she attempted he also attempted a was it a hug who did he who did he hug and then um no that was um rachel it was rachel yes and then made the eyes at the camera yes yes yes i will obviously be so meaningful yes um yeah i mean when it does come to g. Well, you could say that it was an emotional reaction to always want Gabe out.

Right. But it's also a logical strategic reaction. Maybe not to be as focused as she was, which you have. Yeah. And she, you know, we already talked that she didn't go about it in the right way

but I don't think the general idea of doing it was based in emotion per se yeah no I agree I think there was definitely a focus on Gabe and I think it was and we've seen players do this you want to put my name down

well now I'm coming for you you know and it's almost like there's like a revenge component and it's like, I got to get you before you get me. I've been there. I understand what it feels like. So I don't. Jam Jam's whole game was based on that. So. Right. Yeah. So this is what people do. And so I don't know if it necessarily is emotion. It's more like I have to protect myself because that person wants me to be

voted out. That's a threat to me. So I have to try to make sure I take that person out. But you need to go about it in kind of a quieter fashion. Yeah. All right. Well, we can go to the fifth rule, which reminds players they need to pretend to be nice and play the social game. Generally speaking, I think Tiana got along with people. So, you know, she mentioned in her interviews that one reason she wasn't really down

to work with Gabe was they just didn't click for whatever reason. You know, that happens. That's, you know, where pretending to be nice comes into play. And of course we saw that when she was basically pushed into

the big honking air quote apology to him for throwing him under the bus, she didn't do a great job in large part, probably because she didn't feel like she had anything to apologize for. That said, I don't really think it mattered either way because Gabe was already planning to target her. She was already planning to target him. So it was it was like a play that She was already planning to target him. So it was, it was like a play that they both put on, you know, and it didn't affect the eventual outcome in any way. Yeah. And I think for, for her, it wasn't that she wasn't being social and, and trying to form relationships. I think her biggest issue was that other people

had just formed stronger bonds and closer bonds more quickly. And unfortunately, she just never had that. We've already talked about how she thought she had a really good relationship with people, but she wasn't as close with certain individuals as they were with each other. And I think more importantly, other people followed rule four, just like she said,

you know, she talked about Sue coming to her crying and, you know, she would console her. And, you know, she thought that she was really tight with her and Caroline. Right. And, you know, all of that may have been perfectly true and valid and honest from both of their viewpoints, but it didn't mean that they were going to stick with her for the game. Sure. Yeah. All right. Well, the sixth rule warns against being too much of a threat for Tiana. I think we once again,

have a situation where she wasn't so much a general threat, but rather a threat specifically to one person. Gabe. Yes. There's that name again. Yes. He knew from Sue and Caroline that she was coming after him there was an entertainment weekly secret scene of him being worried about a women's alliance

and of course we know that she wanted to use a women's alliance to go after him uh which you know was likely relayed to him as well because she said that he had his two little birds spying on her at all times she referenced that a lot yes she did um and you know it's funny that she talks about these two little birds because uh i was going to save this till later but uh next week we will have omar zahir as our guest and of course know, his love for birds is well known. So it would have been perfect to have him here talking about the little birds. But yes, I have to see if there are any bird references next. Anyway. You know, Gabe told Kyle in that kind of live tribal council that they couldn't control Tiana, but he believes he can

control the other two. Now, do I believe that's true? No, especially for Caroline. But it was more about his perception. And frankly, he was right that he couldn't control Tiana and she was gunning for him. Yeah. Her biggest problem was that he knew how much of a threat she was. Yes. And I think this is really fascinating when other players determine, I can't control this person the way that I want to. And then therefore, this is someone that I can't play the game with. And Gabe was certainly someone who was very mindful of who he thought he could control. And

that was Sue. And then Sue came with Caroline. And so there you are now, I, he, as you know, his little birds, as you've talked about, and as Tiana said, so, so frequently, and I, and I do think that it's really fascinating if you are unable to minimize yourself in that way and to act more like willing to set aside your I need to lead and I need to be in charge and you're not going to tell me what to do. that you could find yourself in a better position, even though it's not necessarily where you want to be, but sometimes you don't want to be in the leader position because then you find yourself in a situation like Tiana where someone like Gabe realizes very quickly, she's not going to do what I want her to do.

Yeah, yeah. All right, well, the seventh rule covers idols and advantages in game mechanics. Now, Tiana didn't have any idols or advantages of her own, but she certainly had some encounters related to them. Most recently, of course, was, as we mentioned already, Rachel telling her about the safety without power advantage. But like we said, you know, a little while ago, there was really nothing she could have done about that anyway.

Another interaction she had was that she said in interviews that she had, of course, figured out Sue had an idol due to the whole red paint incident. But she also said at the time she thought Sue was on her side. So there wasn't any reason to call her out. And it really is interesting how many different possibilities get cut off when Tiana or any player is convinced they're in one situation when they're really not. You know, we keep saying, well, she could have done this, but she believed that Sue and Caroline were on her side. This was another situation of that. She could have called out, hey, this woman has an idol, but she didn't

want to because she thought she was her ally when she never was but she could have had a conversation with sue just to say like hey sue listen you and i are together we're working together uh gotta talk to you about this red paint thing because and she could have done it from a i'm concerned person like point of view like other people have noticed they found some things i'm looking out for you and just maybe kind of feel sue out a little bit to because she doesn't know what sue actually has she just knows she has something that would involve red paint and like yeah and she just assumed, well, whatever it is, she's going to work with me. But maybe check in, maybe find out, try to get some more information. I agree. I also don't think it would have changed anything.

And she may have been afraid it would have spooked Sue. Yeah. And I and that's fair because she did say that that Sue was very emotional at times and they were concerned with her. But I don't know, there could have been a way to have that conversation that wouldn't necessarily have come across as a threatening conversation. Everyone was talking about the red paint. I say everyone,

a majority of the tribe was talking about the red paint and the well, and then they found the pot and the hole. And then Sue was very aware that that was happening and i think that might have been a moment for tiana to say hey listen like i i know i know what's going on but we gotta we gotta figure this out so that way we can minimize any issues that you're gonna have it's possible i don't know how sue would have responded but it might have been

worth a shot yeah oh well at this point i mean anything would have been worth yeah sure um now speaking of a shot i have heard it suggested uh in a few places that tiana should have played her shot in the dark i think that uh there was a mention of it in the initial uh post show podcast uh and i've seen a you know a couple people suggested, too. Now, clearly, with the full knowledge that we have as viewers, yes, she should have. But we have to go back yet again to our discussion of how completely she was fooled. She had no idea that Caroline was going to turn on her and even bring Kyle along. So why would she even think about playing? Right.

Yeah, she thought for sure they were even think about playing it? Right. Yeah. She thought for sure they were all going to vote Gabe. Right. You know, as she told Mike Bloom about Caroline, I thought that we were real ride or dies in that situation, but clearly not. Yeah. There was just no reason for her in her mind to even consider the idea. And you know, she wanted to write Gabe's name down i mean come on well she's been waiting to do that for so long true to give up her opportunity yeah okay let's move on to appendix a which is about the players keeping their end goals in mind when voting and we talk about voting the weak then the strong than the weak than the strong but that

didn't come into play in this one because alliances did, which is as it should be for players considering their own future. And the trio of Gabe, Caroline, and Sue have been ready to take out Tiana for a while now. You know, if they had gone back to tribal council earlier. It turned out to be just like Gabe said, taking them back in time. And it made perfect sense for them to stick together here.

Yeah. Kyle's vote, you know, seemed more surprising because we didn't see him get an indication from Caroline that she was voting Tiana out. I, I, I just figure that she must've told him, but it wasn't shown to keep us in suspense.

And that's how he knew he had to join the crowd. Yeah. And also at that point, you don't want to be the lone person going back to tribal council who voted differently. Yeah. So you got to do what everybody else is doing at that point. Unless you're Tiana.

Right. I do what everyone else was. Right. point. Unless you're Tiana. Well, right. I do what everyone else was. Right. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. I mean,

as far as looking at, you know, the actions of the other players, it takes me back to Caroline again, because it seems like she has been playing the middle like this entire time, which was also probably the reason she pushed so hard to get rid of Rachel rather than force the war within to coup. Um, you know, that's why she told Gabe, no,

we want to go Rachel. She told Tiana, no, we want to go Rachel. And then Rachel said, peace out. Uh, and you know, Caroline was sitting there like, well, hell, um, you know, um, so much you're playing the middle. Yeah. And Tiana told Dalton Ross, I think for Caroline, it was more, she was going to lose either two Alliance members with Sue and Gabe. If she voted Gabe out and then Sue would have never trusted her again versus me being one. And she may be right. It could just be a situation of numbers. From what we saw, she really was much tighter with Sue and therefore Gabe.

Caroline was. And we heard that also from TK way back in his, his interview talking about Caroline and Sue. Now, of course, what we saw could be a skewed version based on knowing that this outcome was, was, you know, coming up,

but you know, with the TK thing and with other stuff that we saw, it at least seemed to me like the whole time caroline was indeed closer to sue and gabe and just leading tiana on yeah yeah sounds about right yeah now if something had happened and gabe had gotten knocked out or Sue had gotten knocked out some other way, she could have easily swung over with Tiana, but she had a choice and she went with the one she was closer with. And also where, right. And there's also more numbers. Right.

But the choice that she made. All right. Well, it is about time to wrap things up so what are your final thoughts on tiana well i think tiana actually kind of not that she knew what was going to be her biggest problem in this game but she knew what was going to be her biggest problem in this game because she talked about it in her pre-game press that her strongest ability is also going to be her kryptonite and that's her personality that she had a really strong personality and i do think that that's what we saw end up happening here she we we talked about the fact that gabe recognized early on that he was not going to be able to control her

tk got frustrated with Tiana, even though they wanted to all work together. And it was because Tiana was strong and was willing to stand up for herself and wanting to have a bit of a voice, which unfortunately sometimes in Survivor, you can't always have because you put yourself front and center and it makes people question

whether or not they can work with you. You talked about Caroline being in the middle and caroline is finding that sweet spot where she's she's no one's really oh that's right oh look at that you know no one's suspecting it they might now because they've seen what happened at this tribal council but and gabe even though gabe has a personality he's at least hiding portions and parts of that because people have no idea he's that close with Sue. And so there's there's unfortunately, I think, an issue for Tiana, and that was maintaining that part of herself and trying to minimize that part of herself. She needed to do that more because I do think that she clearly has something about her that people notice immediately. She was the alternate last season, and she was someone who people talked a lot about

in their pregame press because they noticed her. There was something about her. And the same thing happened in this pregame press as well. There's just something about her personality that just she exudes something. And she probably exudes confidence. And confidence can be very, very intimidating intimidating to people especially when you're playing a game like survivor and so i want to sit here and say it was the damn disadvantage that caused tiana to go home i do think that that was unfortunately a component of her game but because we got to see her original tribe

come back together and all of those components of that original tribe come back together. Unfortunately, Tiana found herself on the outs of her original tribe and her original tribe was left to vote for her in this situation, albeit with a disadvantage attached to it. And she ended up being on the receiving end

of the tribe's vote which was her tribe so yeah as i said earlier i was definitely unhappy with the way production made two-thirds of the players immune in this episode and if there had been a different result of someone getting totally screwed i would have been really pissed. But the weird randomness of the situation, with a less than 0.9% chance of happening, took us back to a Tuku tribal council. So rather than saying the twists took out Tiana, my annoyances tempered a bit because I can truly say it was Gameplay. Of course, this doesn't help Tiana one bit. But as Gabe said to Jeff after the tribal council scramble, we all have relationships. Survivor is a game of relationships, and you got to trust them.

Gabe trusted his. Tiana trusted hers and believed she was in a good spot. Only one of them was right. Several times throughout our discussion, you've heard me say, Tiana didn't do X because she thought Caroline and or Sue were on her side. I mentioned earlier that she said in her final words that she was bamboozled, and she really was. Many different avenues she could have tried were cut off because she thought she was solid with an alliance, but in fact, the other alliance against her was the one that was more solid. Because of that, she felt comfortable throwing Gabe under the bus

to the other tribes during the social hour. She openly shared information about her plans with Caroline. She believed everyone on the tribe was against Gabe. She didn't tell others about Sue's idol to make her a potential target. She didn't play her shot in's idol to make her a potential target. She didn't play her shot in the dark, and so on. Some of these still weren't great ideas, even if she had been in the position she believed herself to be, such as, you know, when she announced she was basically open for business at the social hour. But almost all of it stemmed from having been fooled about who

she could trust. The Survivor logo on your hat tells players to outwit, outplay and outlast. Tiana's supposed allies on the Tuku tribe, particularly Caroline and Sue, did all three of those to her. And that is why Tiana lost. See, my hat became a prop and everything. That's right. Not just a Halloween costume.

That's right. All right. Well, before we get to our predictions for next episode, I want to again mention, you know, something I kind of just threw in there that next week we are excited to be joined by survivoror 42's Dr. Omar Zaheer. We're going to have two doctors in a row, one veterinary and one ER. So this, you know, this we're getting to the medical portion of the five-month class.

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if you want to find me there. So, once people are looking for us there, can they find our predictions here? Are you ready to move into that? God,

you throw me off so much. I, I, I'm so torn with these predictions. Okay. Because I do feel like it's almost like we have so many people that are just like outliers. You know,

like Saul and teeny are, are they together I guess they are but you know it's just it's Andy and now Genevieve are like kind of getting together Rachel is still kind of a bit of an outlier I but Sam and Sierra together Kyle's kind of an outlier but I don't know. Oh, this is terrible. I think that what's going to happen is Kyle's going to get. OK, that's my prediction, because Kyle keeps winning all of the immunity challenges, even though I mean, even though he really didn't win this one. He didn't. I was just going to say he was kind of like not the winner, but he still got the necklace. I was just going to say he was kind of like not the winner, but he still got the necklace. And I mean, he's he's just he's very likable. But I don't feel like anyone's going to fight for Kyle. I've said that before.

And then he won immunity. But I just don't feel like he will necessarily have anyone that's going to be like, we need to save Kyle. Whereas I feel like I could see other people having someone that's going to come to bat and say like no maybe we should focus on someone else I'm going to pick Kyle sorry yeah I mean I see what you're saying but I also don't think anyone's going to fight to get rid of Kyle well and that's true too but when you need to pick someone right right well so first let me say that the preview tells us the auction is back. Yes. Awesome. Well, considering the way this week went, I expect Jeff will be auctioning off immunity to the top nine bidders.

That's incredible. Yeah. Now, more seriously, I am hoping Jeff fixed the dumb things they did to the auction Last time they brought it back a couple seasons Ago because that wasn't even an auction It was a ridiculous race to Spend money and I also Hope he doesn't find a new way to screw it up Even though I know he probably will They should bring the milkshakes back do you remember that

It wasn't milkshakes Did they bring all the boys to the yard Is that Oh oh Gross food milkshake Yeah you spun the thing and like it was two different It wasn't milkshakes. Did they bring all the boys to the yard? Is that? Oh, oh. It was like. The gross food milkshake? Yeah, you spun the thing and like it was two different. And he would make a shake.

Oh, God. Yeah. Nobody's going to, no one's going to bid in an auction for that. I'm just saying, that's just. The real milkshake, yes, but not that. Not that, not that. Now, the thing is, an auction doesn't really tell us much of anything about what will happen. What we did see is that Sierra said she wants to knock out Tuku,

while Andy is looking to change his fate and gives a high five to Caroline. Now, we know Andy wants to flip things. And as I said much earlier, I do think he and Genevieve will do that. The question is whether it starts now. Could those two talk to some two people about the Gata Lavo plan to target them? I'm going to go out on a limb and say,

yes, I think the first strike comes this week. I think Sierra is going to be a casualty. You think so? Yes. Now I am by no means as certain about it as I was about Tiana going this past week, but we'll see what happens.

Fascinating. Well, maybe your streak will continue. We'll see. We'll see. Fascinating. All right. Well, see. We'll see. Fascinating. All right. Well,

I'll be wrong again. I know. I know. I know. Look at you. Took her a couple seconds to get that one. Yeah.

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