RHAP: We Know Survivor - Why ___ Lost: Survivor 47 Ep 8

Episode Date: November 9, 2024

Sierra began her final words by saying, “I couldn’t tell you what happened.” Luckily, that’s why David Bloomberg and Jessica Lewis are here – and they have special guest Omar Zaheer this week as well! Since the end of her game, Sierra has done some detective work. While she gave 100% credit to one person, was it all him or a larger group who all came together with different ideas? At RHAP, we know Survivor, and we know Why Sierra Lost.

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Donate today at unitedwaygt.org. If you lost a survivor and you're feeling down, David and Jessica will turn it around. They'll break down the rules and they'll show you how. You played yourself and got voted out. This is why Blank lost. This is why Blank lost. Baby, this is why Blank Lost. I'm David Bloomberg, and I would have been more upset than Kyle to win those buffalo chicken wings. I'm not vegetarian. I just can't stand buffalo chicken. Are you kidding me right now?

He's actually right about that. You too? I hate it. Well, and I was going to say, my co-host Jessica Lewis lives less than 300 miles from Buffalo, so she may have a different opinion on this.

I'm like an hour from Buffalo and I hate it. Ah, and that other hold on, let's let that other voice that that you hear, if you're not watching, is our special guest who loves chickens and birds in general. Omer Zaheer. Hello, hello. Thank you for having me. I might be about to lose this podcast given the news,

but we'll see about that. Buffalo chicken wings really I don't like I don't like the tangy weird flavor to it it's too much that's the best part of it it's like sour it's actually it's not the tang it's like sour

it's disgusting I want the spiciest hottest juiciest like dripping chicken wing you can think of and i'm a happy girl yeah and you're the worst thing i've ever heard i hate spice i i'm the worst indian you'll ever meet oh my god it's so annoying because i'll order i would say can i please um excuse me can i have a mild butter chicken but then they'll see me a mild butter chicken? But then they'll see me, they'll see my name, and then they'll give me Indian mild.

But I mean white mild. Like, that's what I want. And I have to specify, please, very mild. That's hilarious. Because I will be the person that's, like, shocking the individual that's either making my food for me or, like, if you think there's too much, you need to put more. Like, that's the making my food for me or I'm like if if you think there's too much you need to put more like that's the type of person I am like I want it spicy oh yes I'm

the one chip challenge was nothing for me so I'm like you have to tell an Indian restaurant multiple times because they'll be like are you sure yeah that's actually happened to me they take one look at me and they're like really are you sure i'm like yes i'm sure please like my daughter too they'll be the same way like my daughter and i will both order something with like extra spice and they're like i don't know no we're good see what what needs to happen is you two need to go to an indian restaurant together and order meals for the other oh yeah that's actually that's a perfect actually, that's a perfect swap. That is a perfect swap.

Yeah, that's a great idea. But I guess we won't be ordering chicken wings because you wouldn't eat them anyway. Well, if they were buffalo. Oh, so it's just the buffalo. Yeah, yeah. Like I love like teriyaki wings or mild barbecue or honey garlic.

Mild barbecue? Barbecue's not spicy. It can be. It comes in mild, medium or severe. I don't want severe or medium. Well. All right. Well, this is a fine podcast about chicken wings, apparently. Yes. Well, I mean. Well, this is a this is a fine podcast about chicken wings. Yes. Well, I mean, I mean, you mentioned severe. And, you know, I made a video about the Kyle situation and some people pointed out that he might get a stomach ache because he hasn't eaten meat in so long. You know, I was thinking he would have severe reaction, you know, digestive issues just from the buffalo sauce. That's possible.

What I don't understand, though, is why would he have bid on anything that he couldn't actually see what it was? Because impulse control, clearly. It has to. Yeah. Sam was looking out for him. Sam was like, hold up, time out. There's meat under there. And I was like, wait, Kyle's not even thinking about that? Yeah. I mean, Sam was looking out for him. Sam was like, hold up, time out. There's meat under there. And I was like, wait, Kyle's not even thinking about that. Yeah.

I think it, I think it's probably a couple of things. One, you got to get rid of your money. We'll, we'll talk about this part. You got to get rid of your money. He may have been thinking they would adjust to him much like they gave him a veggie dog earlier in the season which didn't look like food by the way I don't know if we ever addressed the fact

the veggie dog looks like a rolled up piece of paper no veggie dog looks like food they can be good I mean I often order a veggie dog at a restaurant I go to frequently and it looks like that

no it looked good yeah this that one did not look edible you shouldn't be allowed out of your house it's healthier that's it Bloomberg you've been put in your place we're gonna go get some indoor food it's healthier that's it Bloomberg you've been put in your place we're gonna go get some Indian food

it's always to go I don't really go out of my house so you know fair fair okay I'm so sorry to our listeners okay what else can we talk about well you know chicken wings

did play a big role in this episode and in this season yes yes because Sierra didn't want to eat the chickens so there is a little bit of a theme here okay i wonder if the chickens were those wings how terrible would that be she what did she call it what was the name miss pepper or something what did she name the chicken miss peppers but there I think there were three so what are the other ones just chopped liver

I don't understand but also Kyle he's like I like the I like the wing part and picks up the radius ulna they're all the wing Kyle the other parts of humorous it's not anything different and that bothered me

as a veterinarian I was wondering that too it as a veterinarian. I was wondering that too. It was a plate of chicken wings. It was a plate of chicken wings. And he said, I like the wing part. And I'm like, well, I bet you there's not, there's not a 0%. It's a non 0% chance. He maybe thought that the drumstick is a leg part.

Ah, a real drumstick. Interesting. Okay. The things that you will learn on today's podcast i mean you know he hasn't he hasn't eaten meat in like over six and a half years or something so you know he would still he should at least be familiar with the parts of a chicken because at some point in his existence i mean they didn't even know how chickens reproduced on this show so i think that i think that it's fair we We're going to talk about that

for just a minute because I can appreciate the fact that we have someone in your field now on the podcast. I have never understood the idea when people are on Survivor and they get chickens are like, they're going to lay so many eggs. I'm like, no, they're not. They're not going to lay any eggs. I mean, come on. They're not going to lay eggs because they're not they're not gonna lay any eggs i mean come on they're not gonna lay eggs because they are not in the correct environment they're gonna be stressed out they're not going to be laying no i disagree if it's done properly you disagree if it's done properly if it's done properly but that's the problem that's because these people don't know what they're doing what they need to do actually part of the problem though is on the show i found out from

the inside source that they do not give them chicken feed so they're just eating the bugs and shit in the environment that is part of the problem because they do need some calcium but the inside source was twitter because i saw that yes yeah they uh i forgot that was also out there um they also are keeping them in these small cages they need to actually just let them out the birds will come back for food and if you feed them they will like come to you they're not stupid and they just need an area that's private with a little bit of grass that they can go into and lay their eggs every day because these breeding hens or these laying hens they lay they

ovulate every single day if they are in a safe environment conditions are correct and this is the part that i'm always just fascinated by that they're one they and individuals on survivor don't know the difference between a hen and a rooster so that's always interesting because I'm just like, eat the rooster. You know, if you want, if you want the chance. You just said.

Now we're back. Wings and barbecue wings. Yeah. And if you ask my clients, like, I hope they don't listen to this. So many of them come in with like a vegan pamphlet. Like,

here you go. I'll be, I'll take it under advisement let's talk about your bird yeah and then order a chicken burger you you have just lost some of your clients I think maybe not their chickens I would never eat my pets that's good well maybe we should ask you about your name then that is appearing in the box here. Yeah. Cockatoo bro.

Yeah. And you know what? I'm actually annoyed by this because, you know, Board Game Arena. This is so off topic. This is we haven't even talked about the episode, but I can't not say this because I'm so annoyed. I am a member of Board Game Arena online and I logged in the other day for the first time in months because I wanted to play a card game while I watched a TV show. And it said that my account was sanctioned for violating the terms of use because of my

username as Cockatoo Boy. And they thought that that was inappropriate. And so they changed it to parrot boy and gave me a sanction. And I was like, what the fuck is wrong with you or game arena? So that's just, yeah, I'm still pissed about that. Okay. I was going to say it sounded automatic that it found those four letters

in there. But when you told me that you just said that, that they changed it to parrot. So they knew. They knew. They knew and they still sanctioned you. Yeah. That's nuts.

But kind of funny at the same time. It's a violation of freedom of speech, but whatever. It's fine. Quick. Can't you change his name right now? Can you change it to Peter? I could. Come on, David.

I could. I won't. Just in the middle of a could. Come on, David. I could. I won't. Just in the middle of a podcast. You coward. Yeah. All of a sudden, you'll be parrot boy.

Okay, I'm so sorry. We got off topic again. It used to, wait, maybe I have to do it somewhere else. Oh, edit name and headline. There we go. Oh, here we go. You're going to be parrot boy.

No, not quite iconic and now all the people just listening are like what did he do what happened well you better watch the video on youtube.com get on that video so getting to the episode yes please jessica guess what yes i was writing my prediction again oh god here we go again you know what i've decided you must have an inside source because oh yeah i feel like you're i feel like there's some cheating involved here i really do you've been like influenced and boom go the comments yeah

there they go here it comes listen something's up something's up just saying what's up is I'm good

what can I say you know that's the only you know I mean I'm sensing tension here jessica loves doing predictions so much yeah so much fun i get it right yeah you're so cosplaying chris hammonds right now you're really getting her goat here good times yes but of course yes whether whether i correctly predict the person who gets voted out

or on those very very rare occasions when i don't we always follow the same path to figure out what happened to them uh we will compare sierra's game to my rules for winning that i originally wrote way back after season one and have been updating ever since using all the non-spoiler information available to us from what we saw on TV interviews social media and secret seats and the newest version of the rules can of course be found at rob has website.com slash yx lost speed and then you click on the link bubble for the survivor rules but before we address how sierra did in terms of the rules and after the chicken talk um we always have some other things to discuss from the episode uh but first omer how have you been and what have you thought of the season so far um i've been great um i really like

this season i think you know what i feel like i actually i didn't say this last season but i do think that this is maybe the best season of the new era um i quite enjoy it i think that the balance across all cast members editing wise is very very good we finally got to see every but basically every tribe went to tribal council twice so we really got to know them and their dynamics i think that andy is so funny and um the personalities clash but not in an unpleasant way and although i do i could use a little bit more down in the dirt a little bit too but i'm not saying i was opposed to survivor 46 but it just seems like the Survivor 46 too much Yanu

in the first place too much Banu but I think that this is just so much more even the whole tenor you know what I also noticed I do think they also changed the filter between the fall and

winter season in terms of they do pay attention to it like the filter between the fall and um winter season in terms of they do pay attention to it like the filter they use for the coloring is different for the fall and winter season and i enjoy i think i enjoy the fall one a bit more and it just seems a little bit brighter yeah i look at these videos over and over again as I make my short you know my YouTube shorts and everything and I have never noticed this yeah it's all a bit different just uh you know peek your little I don't know that for sure I just have noticed that very consistently so I believe it to be true and I will never back down from that at least for the new era I don't know about

the old era but um sorry did I say old era? You did say old era. We were just going to let that go by without pointing it out. She's kind of middle school, I think. No, no, no. New school. I'll take middle school. No, middle school is like 20 to 30.

So she's on the cusp. I'm on the cusp. I love old school. I'm all the cusp. I love old school. I'm all about old school. I want to go back to the beginning. Yeah, it was pretty good. I mean, I, listen, I know the first 10 seasons more than I know the last 10 seasons.

You know, I really enjoyed them. But I do believe that this season is very good. I've enjoyed it quite a bit. And I also, maybe this is sexist, but I also knew Sierra was going home, Jessica. Well, how did you know? Who told you? No, if you looked at the preview,

first of all, I have a bone to pick as well with all the previews because everybody's always like, oh, if they say somebody's going home in the preview, they don't go home. And that's pretty much always- Oh, you sound like you're doing a David Bloomberg interview. Hey, oh, if they say somebody's going home in the preview, they don't go home. And that's pretty much always. Oh, you sound like you're doing a David Bloomberg episode. Hey, yeah.

It's you, Vicky's Law. Yes, exactly. Except, you know what? The one time that wasn't true was when I went home. Yeah. So that was very annoying. Well, no, that's. You, they needed to break the law for you.

I don't. I didn't like it. How important you were. Didn't like it at all um but in this season in the preview sierra has not really been getting a lot of strategic content beyond her relationship with sam and andy and in the preview it said we're gonna knock tuku out and i felt like that given that plus the fact that andy was turning on the two of them led me to believe it would be her yeah well you did a better job than i did trying to figure out who was going home who did you say it was gonna be i don't even remember.

Who did I say? I don't know. I have my notes. I don't keep track. Oh, well, look at you. I don't have notes. It's all up here. And I forgot.

So I think if you really wanted to stick it to her, you should have known. Yeah. I think it was Kyle. Oh, it was. You're right. Yeah. You said Kyle.

I was ready to come here and hot and be like, that's the stupidest prediction I've ever heard. But it wasn't a bad one. Thank you. Thank you for supporting me just a little bit. I appreciate that. Even though you were wrong, it wasn't a terrible try. Appreciate it.

Do better next time. Well, you'll have the chance, I guess. That's right. Trust me, I'm now panicked because I don't even remember what was on the next preview or whatever. I'm now panicked because I don't even remember what was in the, on the next, you know, the preview or whatever. Yeah.

I'm in trouble. Well, you know, that never matters, right? It never, it never tell us anything. So.

Yeah. It's like they did it on purpose. They did. They did. That's what I'm saying. So that's, like I said, you, it was that important. They had to do did. That's what I'm saying. So that's like I said, it was that important. They had to do it.

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talk about before the auction wait that was like the biggest part of the episode um yeah getting into the episode i want to first start talking about gabe because we began the episode again with him talking about what a threatening player Rachel was. And, you know, then both Genevieve and Caroline agreed Rachel was playing the best game. You know, she's under the radar. She's a sneaky threat. And the funny thing is, production had not shown one damn bit of that until after they said it. I mean, we had gotten all of them saying, saying, saying,

and then they finally showed it where she kind of went on a terror this episode. I mean, literally tearing the idol out of the tarp. Also on Twitter, David. Yes. Also on Twitter. Oh, you went there. You went there, parrot boy. I've been waiting. It's amazing how many people cannot see when two people on Twitter are joking. You know, like, especially since I wasn't the one who predicted that she was first out. I believe that was Jessica.

But I was trying to remember. But I don't think, I think it wasn't the one who predicted that she was first out. I believe that was Jessica, but I was trying to remember. I, but I don't think, I think it wasn't anything bad. It's just, you know, and also I'm terrible at predictions that, you know what this means?

She's winning. That's actually true. You're welcome, Rachel. You're welcome. If that's what I said about you, then you're winning. I'm liking this dynamic where you get blamed for the stuff that Jessica says.

Yeah. I mean, it's not the first time. That seems like the right thing. Not the first time. I have gotten messages before from people like, Jessica said this, you should do something about her. I'm like, Jessica is her own person. I do not control her.

And by the way, she was right. You know, so. Thank you. Jessica is her own person. I do not control her. And by the way, she was right. Thank you. I do think it's funny because maybe it's, I just don't check a lot of my messages on Twitter or the DMs or whatever. I just don't. And so they've maybe given up on trying to yell directly at me. So they're like, I'll go to her boss and I'll yell at him. I don't think she's your boss.

Yeah. I would say that he kind of is. Oh, shit. Okay. All right. Well, I guess we need to call him, sir. He's not my boss. You need to call him, sir.

I mean, she does have a sweatshirt that says, David, you're right on the back. I do. I definitely do. You have a weird thing going on. So as far as Rachel, other than on Twitter, you know, and, you know, she shot downven on twitter uh this week so that was fun too um and q i saw it as well yes and q um and uh so anyway yeah she she got the the idol out of the tarp she played her shot in the dark as a gauge to determine whether or not everyone was coming after her so she could play her idol afterwards if they had a big reaction and this is you know what she shot down of steven because he was like

oh i i think you know she did it because she knew how the vote was going and this way she wouldn't have to vote against sam or sierra and she was like no uh so part of it was right but the rest of it he had shit on his glasses for you know i don't think there was a whole lot of trying to determine why she did exactly what she did and i thought it was fascinating because maybe she really was just afraid she was going home and yeah so she played a shot in the dark yeah but but the the caveat to that is not playing the idol shows there was some thing that she got in between there that was yes and i wanted to ask about that because i'm trying to recall all of the rules with these shot in the dark things you're still allowed to play the idol even if you haven't voted because

you played your shot in the dark yeah yeah this is fascinating to me how did i miss this rule i don't i think it's i think the rule is that to play your shot in the dark you lose your vote it doesn't say you can't play anything else right fascinating so it would basically be like as soon as she saw she was not safe then it would be okay well now i'm playing my idol yeah if she was going yeah if they all reacted in a certain way like oh and this is the first time we've seen that but we talked about that on the beach way back in the day just never came up as a thing that we did but also i saw it going around on twitter maybe this this needs to be dispelled this is a myth that you can't use somebody else's shot in the

dark you absolutely can't use your someone else's shot in the dark you just cannot use more yes so it is a transferable advantage in the game but you cannot play more than one at one tribal council yeah that's i mean okay that came up earlier when i think Andy gave his to Sierra and that question came up and the people that were asking it, and I know it's hard to keep track of everything, but I was like, yelling for me. I, it got resolved on podcasts before I, before we recorded, but I was like, no, we've been through this before. We know from interviews on previous seasons that yes

if someone gives you a shot in the dark congratulations you have an extra one i think jeff said it on his podcast too so it's like come on people we know i just think you should be able to use more than one because i think that's interesting if you have an alliance that you want to back then all of you give your shot in the dark and give it a four out of six chance or whatever. Like, I think that's more interesting, but I get you can't lose four votes, but I think. Why not? Jeff has taken away four votes before. At one time, I suppose, but you know.

I mean, if it were up to Jeff, there wouldn't be any votes anymore, you know, and the losing of the votes. I love it. i love it i love it oh this is gonna be a heated discussion yeah i do situationally well i think that you were someone who utilized it to your benefit good memory i do and i was I was very impressed with that concept where I'm going to still try to sway the vote, but I don't have one. So what can I do? And you're just kind of like, yeah, yes, it was fantastic. But but this is the part of the new era that I think is both exciting, but also very frustrating, is that there's all of these new trinkets and advantages and rules and there's a lot to try to keep straight what you can do what you can't do

what you're allowed to use what you're not allowed to use that it does make it very difficult for viewers and I think it makes it even more difficult for players because you have to try to keep track of all of these things at the same time and kind of you're inventing the wheel as you go because it's like this is a game that's existed for so long but now there's this new component to it and we don't really know how it's going to play out and some of it works very nicely and then other times it just falls flat and I so I understand that production wants to try to introduce these things but oftentimes it takes away from just the player's ability to play. And I think that you were someone who was able to take a new advantage and a

disadvantage and really utilize it as an advantage because you figured out how, but not every player has that ability and you were someone who was able to do so. Yeah. I mean, I really like it in some ways I don't like the way they do it all the time so I don't like when you find an idol and you like lose it for an indefinite amount of time and you have to try to win it back in the voting booth like that is a bit much I think that the interesting thing about losing a vote is when people know that either it's a possibility or that it has been lost. And that makes it more interesting because

you can go through a loophole of trying to figure out if you don't have the majority, how can you fudge the numbers to get a majority or not pick a side or whatever it may be. The shot in the dark is also another way that is, you know, an organized way to lose your vote where everybody knows that's a possibility on the table. The things I don't like are when you're like forced to reach into a bag, although now you should know if you're going on a journey, you might lose your vote.

I think that that is, should be something players understand. But also the one that i really did not like was the one from 45 where the last three people austin emily katura lost their vote for coming in last place in that challenge and then had to go to an island and have a chance to win it back because then austin who lost the challenge has now actually the greatest advantage information wise in the whole game because he won his vote back and nobody else knows that and that affects the numbers significantly yeah and but he lost and got an advantage in a way like that is um i don't like that kind of stuff but yeah openly losing

your vote in the auction i think that's fine but i don't like the way they do it right and that's exactly it you know the i call it the so-called auction um you know i i will say it was more fun than last time yes agreed uh i i appreciate some of the things they added like eating grubs although i think anyone who participated should have lost their money no matter what except well under normal circumstances i would say that i still think in this one they should too um i i liked the timed peanut butter and chocolate eating um but of course they didn't fix the biggest problem which is it really isn't an auction. It's a race to avoid losing your vote. You're literally just buying stuff.

You're like, I have $620. I would like that bowl of mac and cheese. It actually completely takes away the choice of what you buy versus what you wait for. And I don't like that. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Because there is that, I don't know if you all remember like the Mike Holloway situation where it was everybody agreed that they were going to pay like $ to get that was part of what broke it yeah yeah i thought

that was fair game by the way if he's oh i thought that was fantastic yeah fantastic and so this is where you're taking the player's ability to continue to strategically play the game through the auction as well. I mean, we, we heard the analogy at tribal council, how within the war, they all, it was a ceasefire, they played soccer and that's how they felt about the, the auction. It was like a ceasefire. And it's like, no, it shouldn't be, it should never be a ceasefire. It should still be an opportunity to play the game just in a different way. And when you're taking away that ability to have to actually auction things off and decide, is this something I want to try for?

Do I want to wait for an advantage? Do I want to hold on to my money because maybe I'll be the only one left and here comes an advantage. You know, when he comes out with a scroll and you're the only one with money left, that's the part of the auction that was always much more thrilling.

Or just, you know, he thinks that the advantages broke the auction that was always much more thrilling or just you know he thinks that the the advantages made you broke the auction fine no no advantages for bidding they might be in an item like we saw see i don't think they did break the auction i don't know i don't think they did i i even think the rock like if you spend your 500 and you lose the ability to like, you know, you lose your $500 because you waited for the advantage and you had to draw a rock. Like that's compelling on its own because you're willing to forego food for an advantage.

But I think I do like hiding the advantage in the food. I think that that's great. I did like that too. Yes, we've seen that work. But I think that the thing is they corrected, corrected, quote unquote, that component by doing the differential money amounts. But then when you circle, when you add the other layer of that, the most money loses the votes, you're right back actually to square one, and it makes it less compelling. But I want to see stuff like, here's a letter from home, or a letter from home might be coming. So maybe you should hold onto your money or here's a letter from home. But if you take it, you lose your vote. Like that is interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There were some people, you know,

we talked about the race to spend your money and it's not really an auction, you know, that there were some people, when I posted the short video on Sam losing his vote, some people commented and was like, well, he had plenty of opportunities to bid before then. So he wouldn't have any money. It's like, no, you don't. Because what happens is each time the person with the most money. Yeah. And he's spent all of their money. Yeah.

This, this auction, actually, if you didn't have differential amounting my amounts could work you know and actually zach had a great idea two great ideas one was you give them all the same amount but you have a chance to win more money if you eat a gross food item one two interesting another option was the lose a vote does come up but you have to it's one in the auction and you have to choose somebody to lose their vote in front of everybody. Oh, see, now that's what I'm saying. You could use the auction as a strategic component to the game.

I like that a lot. Jeff, I hope you're listening. Cause we know you listen every week. Oh yeah. If he were listening, he wouldn't still be standing on. I'm doing it this way. You know, we gave a whole bunch of suggestions. We've given them multiple times. You know, we talked about it last time and said that was part of the problem was that they did too many things. They didn't try to fix it doing one thing. But it was weirdly better than the first time.

It was. It still was weirdly better, but still not good. And I do think it's because they, you know, threw in some more fun stuff. Yes. Agreed. But I do miss the gross items. I would much prefer so many more gross items.

I don't know. I saw that and I'd be like, I am fucked. I gag when I brush my teeth like there's not a chance that i can um down something like that so i would be like picking up the money and i'm out there's just no possible way it would have it it could have worked like there's just no way so listen this is this is sounding so much better to hang out with you for a day because the things that I would like to make you have to

partake in would be lovely we're eating chicken wings buffalo jangling combine it coat a grub in buffalo sauce oh dear god and you don't think it's I'm afraid of sauces like it's just like not okay.

That's true. Oh, there are so many. Yeah. Wait, all sauces? Like, not all. There's very few that work. But like, if I, I will eat ketchup on a burger if I don't have to look at it, talk about it, ask for it, or put it on myself. Or even ask somebody to put it on.

Like, I won't do any of that. What's wrong with ketchup? It just disgusts me looking at it. I will never eat mustard. I think it's the worst thing that was ever invented. Ranch, horrifying. Oh my God, who are you? Mayonnaise, if I don't have to think about it

and it's a light amount it's okay or chicken salad sandwich but not one of those sloppy chicken salad sandwiches oh my god this is incredible and any any um salad dressing that's like thick no listen I look for excuses to put sauces on things like I look in my fridge and I'm like, what do I have that I can put this sauce on? Well, we've already established you're always wrong. Apparently. It's the Gen X in you. Millennials, baby.

Oh my god, yeah. Can someone else put my ketchup on for me? I can't do it. No, I'm not going to ask for it. It just has to be done. Don't even tell me. I can't do it no i'm not gonna ask for it it just has to be done don't even tell me i can't see it yes that's exactly i'll take care of your ketchup for you all right i got it yeah now she gets it all right well let's move on to the other voting controversy uh that was going on and i know i know at least two RHAP podcasts

have covered it already. But I have to make it about it. One of them didn't cover it enough, in my opinion. Okay. Rob. Oh, Rob, yes. But I had already tweeted about it before then, and I had it slated for our

Jeff Probst is wrong about blank segment. So here we are. I've said previously that it makes sense for players in a tie not to vote if there are only two of them. But it does not make sense if there are three people in a tie. And we've had this discussion before here on Twitter or wherever. It's like it doesn't, they don't cancel out. And the conclusion has always been, well, it must just be a rule. If you tie it all, those people don't vote.

Well, okay. But Jeff said, yes, he said Sierra can vote specifically because Sam didn't have one to cancel hers out. And he said, the cancellation of the vote is, quote, the only reason they don't vote in a normal tie situation. So if he hadn't said that. OK, maybe we would have gone past this and been like, oh, interesting, you know, but he specifically said that and they aired it. He undercut any reasoning in the future or the past for not having people vote in a three-way tie. This was an existential crisis, honestly, because

it was almost like when I realized that the Berenstain Bears was the Berenstain Bears, or vice versa. That is crazy. I can't even think about that and not be distressed because my whole past is questionable. And I wonder if that was even true. Like I'm still on to those conspiracy theories. and made so many plans as if there's no votes on a tie for the tied people that when there was four people on our beach marianne lost her vote i being you know cocky little boy that i was thought i had an extra vote i did not realize i had lost my vote as well um but in the moment i think i have an extra vote and jonathan and lindsey i was like are they like a pair so if they want to vote marianne out and i want to keep marianne all i have to do is play two votes and then on the re-vote they can't vote or one like jonathan or lindsey cannot vote right and so then my two votes went out over their one vote but in this situation they would be allowed to vote and that would fuck everything up but I

was out there making this plan and it wouldn't have even like that is crazy to me now to think back and all of this information yeah this is new information so many seasons in since when right well that's that's the question since when yes yeah and it's just like i said the contradictory part is what gets me is him saying it's because of this reason and it's like you have just told all of us that you've been wrong for all these years yes but it actually does make sense. It's just they haven't implemented it that way. And I agree with everything Shannon said if you listen to her podcast. I have not yet. I haven't had a chance.

But I've seen her on Twitter, so I assume it's something similar. yeah, it's I do think everybody needs to go up to the booth so that doesn't blow the cover of anybody that doesn't have a vote. Oh, well, except that Sam's was public. I do think everybody needs to go up to the booth. So that doesn't blow the cover of anybody that doesn't have a vote. Oh,

oh, well, they, Sam's was public. Sam's was public, but that's not always the case. You know, what if it had been somebody that had lost it, but in private,

and then all of a sudden they're tied now, I don't think that, um, Oh, I think that you need to go to the booth. Yeah. That would have been weird if he had lost his vote privately. How would Jeff say,

okay, Sierra, you get to go vote. But Sam doesn't. Just because. We're not going to explain why. Even though he said, this deserves an explanation. Yeah, I think you got to go to the booth and it says you do not have a vote. Yeah. Even though he said, this deserves an explanation. Yeah. I think you got to go to the booth and it says you do not have a vote.

Yeah. I think I like David's approach, just because. Just because. Because I said so. Would that fly on board, Jessica? Yeah. Yeah. Just because.

I mean, it will be interesting the next time that there's a three-way tie if I were there if I were playing and there was a three-way tie and Jeff's like of course you three can't vote I'd be like excuse me what you said on this day was and then Jeff would be like shut up

yeah I was going to say he's probably going to tell you shut the fuck up yeah like with the F-bomb he never swore at me though i was an angel i believe he swore jessica no he didn't swear at me no no i was he he he got very angry with the group i was not a part of which was lovely um but yes he when he got angry you were like oh snap he's uh he's very unhappy right now yeah i put the puzzle pieces on the ground and he uh he was like put the pieces on the table everybody and then i was like i'm so sorry and he was like don't even worry about it and then zach kept putting them on the ground oh no, no. And then you got in trouble.

Yeah, no, he yelled at two separate groups. He was very kind to me. I will say he hugged me when I realized that my husband was on the island, but I was never allowed to see him. And I was very upset and distraught over that. Also, weirdly enough, this bracelet that I wear still, I wore this when I was out on the island. This was in Jeff Probst's pocket, ladies and gentlemen.

I'm just going to tell you that right now. Why? Because I had to take it off for one of the challenges, and I was like, what am I going to do with this? The sand one that you love so much? That's so funny because he's so nice. See, he's so nice about that stuff, and people don't know. One time in the challenge, I was climbing a wall, and then people were stepping on me to climb on the wall and i was worried my glasses were gonna break so i just took them off

and i was like yeah here take them and he he grabbed them and he gently folded them and put them at the top for me nice so nice what a nice man he is he's very kind he's very kind yes and we're not gonna but we aren't gonna talk about that challenge because that one, that was mean. That sand one. Yes. And Jeff might have said, when he tied us up and had us stand on our knees. Oh yeah, with the worm stuff. I still have, I still have a video of it. All of you did it so crazily.

I'm waiting. If Jessica ever pisses me off, I have this video. Why don't you try it? Honestly, it didn't even look that hard. Oh my gosh. I'm going to get prosecuted. Stay out of her jurisdiction. It actually looks so easy

that I didn't understand why it took so long. Can you explain that? It was so not easy. It was terrible. It was absolutely terrible. And I will say Jeff was having a time right before we started the challenge

because he thought it was very funny that he had us all tied up in the manner that he did. And he was finally like, I'm going to stop having this conversation with you now. I was like, look at us. We're like tied up at the hands and feet and we're on our knees.

Like, what are we doing? And it was just, it was, it was very, very. Like those little animals on the x-ray table, you know? It's always back to those little animals. Yes. Yeah. I always make jokes like Jeff did about you guys with the animals on the table but yes we you know that so one more thing we can add to the list of things to do when you and i

hang out it will be to have you do the sand challenge and we'll just have to see how how well you yeah yeah yeah i mean it just it's just i don't think there's been an easier challenge on the show It's crazy Oh my goodness Good times Anyway Do we have anything I hesitate to ask this now

Anything or anyone else you want to discuss before we No, we are 45 minutes in We should probably talk about Sierra. I'm so sorry, Sierra. Okay, well. This has been a good time. Yes, before we get to Sierra, I do want to briefly mention that, of course, the rules we're about to discuss come in a shorter and much more colorful version in poster form. Go to robhisswebsite.com slash yxlossfeed.

Scroll down to the poster and click on it. And then order it. And then you can keep scrolling and get the poster on a t-shirt or you can get the checklist on a t-shirt, which both Jessica and I coincidentally are rocking today. Two different colors. So again, that's Rob has website.com slash YX lost feed.

You're missing number eight. Don't lie about your job. Yeah, that's not a rule. That's not a rule. Okay. Tell me what people do. I request an amendment. The First Amendment.

The First Amendment to the rules. I will take it under appropriate advisement and consult with my attorney. All right. And your attorney is going to say, lie about your job if you feel it's necessary. But have it prepared. Because by definition, an attorney is going to lie about it. And don't lie about your age.

Well, that. Oh, my word. Yes. Again, make it make sense. It has to make sense if you're going to make up these lies they need to make sense are you saying it doesn't make sense currently jessica oh sue is a phenomenal human being right but like there's no reason for her to lie about her age i feel like it's better for her to like be like look at me i am a badass i'm yeah when she picked up that giant

puzzle piece it was unnecessary anymore yes it was like who cares how old you are look at you like look at you you're performing like it's insane there's no reason to lie about your age because they're they're seeing what you're doing whereas a profession that comes with people's misperceptions or or their their ideas that are associated with someone who might be in that profession. Whereas your age, it's like, it literally doesn't even matter.

It doesn't matter. So she could kick my ass. She could kick my ass. Yeah. She can't kick Maya. Said the Whiteman. Said the one closest to her age you don't know that she's only 45

that's true she's Jessica's age I don't know what I was thinking alright well Sierra began her final words by saying I couldn't tell you what happened. Luckily, that's why we're here. And really, Sierra herself has done some of her own detective work since being voted out. As she talked in interviews a couple of times about things she found out afterwards. But we need to pull all that together because despite her giving, quote, 100% credit to one person for getting her out, I think we'll find that the move can be attributed to a larger cast of co-stars who all came together

and decided she was the biggest threat in the game and had to go right away. At RHAP, we know Survivor, and we know why Sierra lost. Now, the first and most important rule is, of course, to scheme and plot. And Sierra certainly understood this as we saw her making multiple different alliances just on her starting tribe. Of course, she was with Sam since day one and also with Rachel and Annika and worked with Andy as well. Once she got to the merge, she talked in interviews about how she and Sam planned to separate to work with different people while actually staying together. In the pre-merge, I think Sierra did a very good job as she convinced Annika and Rachel she was with them. And she convinced Andy she was with him as part of a trio with Sam.

And I also think she made the right decision when it came time to pick between them. Because as she told Mike Bloom, she felt even more left out of the Rachel and Annika duo than it showed and she knew she was on the bottom by a long shot now this goes along with what I said you know back in our why Annika lost podcast uh quote it had to be clear to Sierra as well that even though she was a member of the breadwinners Alliance, she was the third wheel. So she made the right decision there. Yeah. I do think that this is such a... Oh, I like...

There's going to be some fine words here. Maybe we should let you go ahead, Mr. Omer. And why is David wrong? I mean, I hear what you're saying. And also, from per her interview, I get if Anika is leaving out information, maybe misleading other people into thinking her and Sam are a power duo. I understand the decision.

I just think that it's not that big a deal to be at the bottom of three right before you go into a merge where there's going to be so many other people because you are still insulated by sam you still have sam and you don't really trust andy that much so i think it's not a bad and and the the move uh it benefited sam the most oh yeah without annika but even then in hindsight maybe not given what happened um and how they lost Andy. So I feel like it's not that big a deal to be at the bottom or not even at the bottom, like midway of an alliance going into a merge when there's so many other people to worry about. Yeah. And I do think that with the your gut instinct and it has been Sierra since the beginning, something's a little off with Andy and her relationship. Like there was just something about Andy that she wasn't feeling about. He is all that.

I am still stunned that he got that entire like moment on the show this week. I, I, I am jealous. He had, he looked phenomenal taking out the glasses and slow-mo. It was beautiful, really impressive. But from the start, she was questioning whether or not Andy was really someone she should be working with. And what you said is true. It was to Sam's benefit. He wanted to keep Andy.

And I realized she wanted to work with Sam. But sometimes you really do have to just listen to your gut and say, I don't think that this is good for us, which is exactly what we've been seeing week to week. Andy has been becoming more and more. I don't feel like they really want me around. I feel like I'm just being dragged around. And then she actually said it in a confessional that we're just going to keep dragging him. And at some point, Andy is going to do exactly what he did. And he's going to flip because he's going to realize I am not as significant as I feel I should be with this group. And so if someone is questionable at the start and there's red flags, which she mentioned multiple times, there were red flags.

Maybe you really need to pay attention to those red flags earlier rather than later. I mean, I think I understand what you're saying, but I think the problem wasn't in keeping Andy. The problem was not in keeping Andy close when she got to the merge. That's where she forgot about that. And, you know, that's where also she took a hit in these rules because she took him for granted. She had confessionals saying the things that you mentioned.

He's in her pocket. He's an easy number. They can drag him along. And, you know, she said, like, leading up to the final 11 vote, she said, oh, we know we have four got him. But she acknowledged in her interviews that while she intended to keep him close after the merge, she just didn't do it. She allowed him to slip away.

But at the very beginning, though, she was like, I mean, the whole conversation was saying, like i mean she had the whole conversation with sam like i don't know about andy like i don't know like andy gave her his his shot in the dark apparently multiple times um or she gave it to her once and asked for it back multiple times i was a little a little confused about that part of one of her interviews but um but he earned her trust and i think she could have kept him, but she, she told Mike Bloom, that was my mistake of not touching base anymore. Uh, bringing him information, talking about what the other tribes are saying.

And that is a specific portion of this rule. We talked about this, Jessica, there was a stretch of seasons where we talked about checking base time after time, after time. I'm not saying she shouldn't have done that. talked about this jessica there was a stretch of seasons where we talked about checking base time after time after time i'm not saying she shouldn't have done that she should have 100 and you know players need to check in with their allies frequently to ensure they're good and give them comfort and the rule even says if you stop checking in people can start to doubt you and you may lose them as an ally it's like i wrote this for the situation yeah on that and i mean yeah i mean this has been in the rule since before 2012 you know and so

i i think she went in on andy count that she went in on Andy, but not all in. Yes. You can't go all in if you're going to make a choice like that. Yeah, she kept him, but then she lost him. Yes. But I still think, though, that there is a lot to be said. At the very beginning, if you have any reservations about working with someone, you really need to pay attention to how you're feeling

because if this is someone that you were expecting to work long term and also Sam wanted Andy so badly so badly but she also had reservations about about Anika I mean you know she talked about those in her interviews that she had and

you know so I think forward with either had and you know so i think there was a fast forward with either of them but i agree i think there was but it just did not it was the keeping up but then you also have to balance that with being too obvious as well but it clearly there's a balance to be um had and that wasn't quite struck here um but it was so quick that they lost him that it was like kind of shocking yeah and i think that part of it another part of this rule reminds people not to underestimate their fellow players uh it says just as you're scheming and plotting it's likely that they are as well. And, you know, between what we just said about Sierra not checking in

and some other things we will talk about, it caused Andy to think and tell us about how Sierra and Sam felt like they owned him and considered him expendable. It wasn't, they were saying it in confessional, but he also felt it. Sure, yeah. And, you know, that was, I mean,

that was what led into the he's all that transformation montage but then also um they did so so i to be fair to sierra i think part of this is not entirely her fault in the sense that you know sue is the one that suggested andy is the backup right and sam conveyed that to Saul which got back to Andy and I think if you're in Sierra and Sam's position you definitely warn Andy that Sue is putting his name out there however in the absence of that like Sierra didn't mess that up technically or at least she didn't she's not the one that gave the name that we saw. And there's this new meta of the new era where, and it kind of started earlier than that.

I would say edge of extinction ish, where the person that makes the move or the biggest threat gets taken out over and over and over again. And people run out of runway and meet. Yes. So because of that meta, they want to keep Sam around to be that meat shield, which means sacrifice Sierra. And that is not entirely her fault.

Right. I mean, going back to the vote thing, you know, she even said in, in her interviews that they both agreed with it. You know, that, that, that I know we only saw Saul saying, well, Sam said it, but one, Andy knows that Sam and Sierra are a pair. Um, and, uh, you know, it's from what we've seen and heard and what she said, the name, his name was already out there and they went along with it. Yeah. And you know, that's what Sierra agreed with also.

So I think we probably didn't see it, but he probably eventually heard that as well. And, you know, that's what Sierra agreed with also. So I think we probably didn't see it, but he probably eventually heard that as well. And yes, being the backup vote sucks. Andy had some very good logical points when he told Saul that if Rome had an idol, it would have meant Andy was gone. point of view she told mike bloom they were confident rome didn't have an idol uh so andy would stay but you just said it omer she wishes she had told him what they were going to do so he didn't find out the way he did and you know then to be fair that always also doesn't always work as kishan i was just gonna say yeah but I think it's the base relationship. And it seems there was something off about the base relationship where Andy didn't feel secure. And that was the root of the problem as opposed to these individual actions. Yeah. And I do think that she could have given the reasons because she said she

had the reasons in her mind. Well, he wants to portray that he's on the bottom anyway, so this will fit into it. Well, that's great, but you have to explain it to him right he needs to like he's part of that right man right yeah you can't just have all these ideas and we'll see as we go through the rest of the rules that there were other times where she was thinking that as well and it's like but did you explain that to him you know um so and i do think also that this is a perfect example of having to play the game with the people you're playing the game with right where andy is someone who needs a little more reassurance he he's presented that way since the beginning of the game where someone like sam is like i'm it's good you know it's understood like i got it and so

it's just unfortunate that you end up having to kind of placate to people or to pander to people depending on what their needs are because i think think if Andy had felt like that from the beginning, instead of always feeling like I have to try to keep up because they they're not necessarily involving me, they're not necessarily keeping me close. And even if it can be tiresome, you might have to do that because some people just need that reassurance. Some people just need to know that, no, we really are three and you're important to us and we want to play the game with you. And it's just it's it's difficult when you have important to us and we want to play the game with you. And it's just, it's difficult when you have to do that,

but you have to be very mindful of how people are because you can have someone like Andy who really takes it to heart and this is what ends up happening. Yeah. And to have the relationship where you are going off a communal plan that you had discussed of like, i'm on the outside blah blah blah to to pull that off you have to have a really strong base to your power

and if that is not there then you still need to like nurture that and build the build like mary ann felt very secure with us so her playing the part on the bottom where we don't really talk to her that much and check in once a day worked out very well because there was a strong foundation of trust. But if there wasn't that there, then she could have gone rogue just like Andy did. Yeah. But also we, to be fair, we did protect her, you know, when she was vulnerable, whereas they just kind of let Andy be the backup vote. So there's also a difference there too.

But it takes a lot of trust to do the we won't talk to each other strategy. Yes. And that's tough to pull off. Mm-hmm. Yeah. All right. Well, we can move to the second rule which uh says not to scheme and plot too much and to keep your scheming secret and one specific thing mentioned in this rule is to avoid

being seen as a duo yeah we've been hearing pretty much all season that the other tribes viewed sam and sierra as a duo uh sierra even said in this episode, Sam and I, we are like a very strong alliance and like a duo out here. And as much as they couldn't understand why people thought that, the fact that people did think that after only a few minutes of interaction meant it was pretty obvious.

Now, Jessica, you and I discussed this before when it first happened. You think? Yeah, right. Now, Jessica, you and I discussed this before when it first happened. You think? Yeah, right. Yes, exactly. Not quite the same. Yeah. They tried to deny it,

but the only people who believed them were apparently Annika and Rachel until Annika was voted out, obviously. And, of course, voting out Annika helped prove the point that they were a duo to everyone else and supported the belief of Kyle and others that they were running the tribe. Now, admittedly, this was unavoidable because they had to vote out someone. I mean, I guess if they had voted out Andy at that point, they could have said,

Oh no, we're not a a duo it was all four of us or you know does she cut him loose to avoid that stigma Sam yeah I yeah I just don't think I mean in theory on it but also he's a very trustworthy

ally to her so it's a big but if you're in that position it's like maybe if you're so afraid of that i think that the hard part is she was in not a bad position because as that duo after the merge you would think he would be the one targeted yeah instead of her um but if you want to completely avoid that i think at that point where people are saying it and thinking it maybe you just have to pivot yeah but then we get back to the uh season what was it season 45 issue of you're my tightest ally therefore i must cut you yes which i also hate that yeah yeah um i mean it would have been

a different reason but i just don't think they fully recognized it, you know, because they they must have been doing something that was so obnoxiously obvious in order to pick up on it but also to be fair i think it is also human nature to um you know not want to give credence to something that you don't think oh yes is valid and so i think that you know in their mindset they haven't done anything obvious to suggest that this is true they can pretend that it doesn't and then people reassure them along the way of yeah we know you guys are not too super tight it's easy to like buy into that and like believe that because you want to believe it. And I did run into similar issues where I wanted to believe that I wanted to believe something before I went home. And I believed it because I, it was just easier to do that.

And that is the trap that's very easy to fall in is the confirmation bias. And so I think that's also what happened is, you know, they didn't feel they did anything obvious and there's no basis for other tribes i think that's also what happened is you know they didn't feel they did anything obvious and there's no basis for other tribes to think that and if people are reassuring them along the way of oh yeah that's crazy then it's easy to fall in line and be like yeah that's not an issue but it it is an issue yeah yeah and i mean sierra has now acknowledged that you know i mean much like annika previously said, oh, me and Rachel, we were we were pretending to be separate. And then she's like, oh, looking back, we were clearly together,

you know. Right. And I think Sierra is going through the same thing because she tried to work separately from Sam when they got to the merge. But it obviously didn't work. She told Mike Bloom, Sam and I would be goofing off and I would just forget, hey, I shouldn't even be looking or talking with Sam and then she said Saul was like I saw it from a mile away you guys were terrifying together you guys were just clicking and bonding with everybody but ultimately coming

back to each other and of course you know it didn't help that Andy was pushing it too as he said I think splitting up Sam and Sierra is of the utmost importance so yeah I think she didn't see it at the time, but now looking back, she's like, oh yeah, we did not do a real good job of separating ourselves. And she also just didn't have,

it sounds like she didn't have the key relationship with Genevieve because it seems like Sam and Genevieve are kind of close. And yes, she's saying, I don't want to go to the end with him, but she's saying that while also simultaneously protecting him from the vote. And so she's a very strong player from what we've seen. And if you don't have somebody like that on your side, it might fall to you.

But it's also, she's playing so under the radar that, you know, perhaps that's hard to identify. Yeah. But I think her not being in Sierra's corner was a big issue. Yeah. Yeah. Now, this does, of course, raise the issue of why Sierra was, you know, was voted out instead of Sam.

Now, part of that reason we will discuss later, but part of it falls within this rule. As she said in interviews that she later heard from Kyle, that he felt she was the glue holding sam and rachel together and both of them would constantly go to her and bring her information so without her they were two separate players that he could deal with and we saw some of his relationship with sam so of course he's going to want to keep sam and get rid of this other person who's kind of competing for attention yeah yeah and i think someone did also talk about keeping sam because he's the he's the meat shield that you referenced earlier as well that would be

something for a later rule that i was talking about although for Kyle, is it not best for him to kind of go with this other group? He's not really in a great position with Tuku. Maybe he needs to be working with these bigger threats like Rachel that need a home, like Rachel, Sam, and Sierra. I don't know that he recognizes

where he is with Tuku necessarily. Maybe I'm underestimating him. Well, he did say, I've now won three immun mean, maybe I'm underestimating him, but I... Well, he did say, I've now won three immunities, so that might be a problem for me. Yes. Yeah. Well, he said that, but before he won the third one,

some people were like, we should get Kyle if he doesn't... Now... Right. I mean, he's hurt by the fact that one of those immunities he didn't really win, but he's getting credit slash blame for. But now he has immunity. Now's the time to do something crazy i feel like because you're not gonna go home yeah right so all right well the third rule says

that players should be flexible um omer how do you think sierra did in terms of this rule um i mean i think that i think i don't think we saw enough to really gauge that component of it. I think that she was flexible in the sense that she had two options within her original tribe. She chose to go one way to preserve her alliance with Sam and could have been in a fine position dealing with the fallout of that, but didn't fully, you know, follow through on that end and was trying to make other relationships with teeny and all these other people and that's good but um i i feel like she i don't think that there was like i don't think she was bad at this part of it but i don't think we saw enough either yeah i mean you said basically everything i had you know that that the one person you know she tried to be flexible i think but the one person she you know, she tried to be flexible, I think, but the one person she did get on her side fully was overruled by everyone else. Mm hmm.

Yeah. I don't know if you mean she was very good at it on her original trip. She was right centerpiece right there. Yes. Well, and then I think all that makes sense. Yeah, I think that's an ongoing theme. You know, spoiler for some of my conclusion uh is uh that you know she was in a much better position on her starting tribe than on the merge

tribe uh girl so all right so we go to the fourth rule which tells players not to let their emotions control them now jessica we that Teenie followed this rule by voting against Sierra, but how did Sierra do herself? Well, I think the fact that she was so willing to continue the relationship with Andy speaks volumes about her willingness to not necessarily let her emotions control her. She struggled a lot with andy she struggled with the dynamics with the relationship that andy was necessarily having with sam but she kept trying to come back to the game and say well but i can utilize him as part of the game and so i'm not going to let that make the decision for me unfortunately it didn't work out for her because he decided to, you know, I think the theory was there.

The theory was there. The theory was definitely there. But the execution, because I think the thing is my impression, which I don't, I haven't really talked to any of these people to know for sure, but the impression I got from watching it and seeing her interviews in the confessionals was she wanted to work with Andy.

She had this in mindset to like keep him on side, but there's still part of her that had a reservation or annoyance or whatever you want to call it. And that was manifesting and interactions that made him feel less safe. And so you're, you want to be flexible to work with him, but the execution of like making him feel comfortable just did not seem to be there. And I think some of that was probably subconscious, but. Probably. Yeah. Yeah.

Because then that's where it comes back to those like red flags. Like if there's something about someone that you're struggling with, it becomes very difficult to necessarily set that aside and play this game with them because you're with them 24 seven and you are involved in some of the most extreme things

you can ever imagine. You're hungry, you're tired. All of these things can be building up. And then you have to, now I have to be a certain way because I'm working with this person and I don't want to necessarily have to be this way, but it can end up seeping through even when you're trying. We all have that person at work, you know?

Yes, absolutely. Not me, not anymore. It's Jessica now. It's just me, it's just me it's just me yeah but i'm her boss so it's fine um hey listen i'm not doing this podcast without you so i'm just saying true um yeah i think that you know i think she generally did okay i mean she voted out annika even though i think she felt more of an emotional bond with annika than with andy uh but i think you're also right i think some of it came through that maybe the reason she you know she may not even realize this maybe the deep down

reason she didn't check in with andy as much was it was more emotionally taxing on her. It's hard to say. At that point, we're speculating. But, you know, she was, and then in the merge, she admitted to Mike Bloom she was playing with people she considered friends, but also said,

you have to check yourself and remember you were in the game of Survivor, not a game of forming friendships. And I think that also got the best of me. So. All right, well, not a game of forming friendships and i think that also got the best of me so all right well we can move to the fifth rule which reminds players they need to pretend to be nice and play the social game uh omer the social game is the most difficult thing to show on tv as we are

seeing we're seeing it with rachel and we also it, I think with Sierra. So how do you think Sierra did here? Again, on her starting tribe, like excellent was a center of that. I think strategically on her first tribe, she had a difficult time like achieving the most agency in terms of decision making. Cause she couldn't get the decisions always to go her way, but she was in the best position with everybody as a whole like i'm sure if you had all of those people rank everybody in the tribe one to whatever she would have the highest average placement like i'm sure probably yeah um i think after the merge and it's

difficult when they keep splitting everybody up every five days or every day um every day time with people um but i think clearly like very good relationship with teeny and an absent relationship with genevieve and genevieve happened if bills were reversed where genevieve or teeny had a lot of sway with the majority of the group which we saw them try to do but it didn't kind of follow through. Is that because most people didn't feel that attached to Sierra? Or is it because Genevieve had a stronger pull than Teenie? I don't know. But I think, I don't think her social game was bad. I think from what I saw, she was very warm

and like people liked her. But maybe the key relationships that were present were not, were missing. Like the most, the one, the most influential people. Yeah. Caroline and Genevieve. Well, and I also do think that there's something to be said about Andy referring to them as like being at the cool kids table, right? That she and Sam, that people were gravitating towards them, that they were kind of the center of people just on the tribe.

So it sounds like they were those social individuals, like maybe social butterflies a little bit, but not necessarily making the connections I needed to make those close connections so people were gravitating towards them and they were really incredible people to be around but were they taking it to the next step and really trying to bond with particular individuals and as you said Genevieve was certainly someone that Sierra seemed to miss out on but she was able to form a close bond with Teenie so it was almost like if it was a natural flow for Sierra, she was leaning in hardcore. And also to be fair to her, even with the absent relationship with Genevieve, Genevieve wanted Rachel out. Right.

So she didn't really get her way either, but maybe it was a compromise. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. And so I do think that she was probably just naturally just an enjoyable person to be around. But then the people that she connected with naturally, she leaned in more heavily and then didn't then the people that she she connected with naturally she leaned in more

heavily and then didn't take the extra steps she needed to really connect with the people that she wasn't automatically just kind of performing and all the chickens liked her the most as well yes and chickens are a good judge of character and honest in honesty from what i've seen i thought it was like dogs i don't trust dogs yeah it's a good thing i can pull the video here omer because she would have just been like he's gone i can't no buffalo chicken wings no dogs i no spice i spice? I can't. I can't. Oh, I have such high hopes. How did you not know this about him already? Actually, David just brought me on here to troll you the whole time.

That's right. That's right. I was like, here are her main points. Really grind your gears. Yeah. Doing a great job. Thanks, David. Appreciate that. So you guys both mentioned uh genevieve i think there was one person in particular where she did not do as good a job and we've already mentioned

him uh andy in this social game and that was andy and now we already talked in the first rule about you know her not checking in with him enough as well as making him the backup target without talking to him about it. But there were at least two other instances on the social side that could have played a role as well. The first was not shown on TV, but was in the secret scene at the Mergatory where they did the schoolyard pick to determine teams. And it came down to the last two people, Sue and Andy. And it was Sierra's turn to pick.

And Sierra picked Sue. Leaving Andy standing there as the last person. Now he put on a brave face. He's like, I'm an adult. This is not middle school anymore. I can handle it. But she knows his backstory by that point better than maybe anyone. Yeah.

And I'm sure in her mind, it was probably part of the whole idea of not wanting to look like a trio, especially since Sam was already on that same team. And Rachel too, right? I don't remember if Rachel was, I remember Sam in particular um but could have been but it seems to me that andy i mean we didn't hear it but he had to feel at least a little bit hurt about that yeah i'm sure and then the other instance was in this episode when she had the opportunity to share the peanut butter and chocolate oh Oh, I know, right? And instead of choosing Andy,

he's gold. Yes, he had found zero money. He had no food. He had to sit there the whole time watching other people bid and eat in front of him. Yeah, she picked Gabe and Caroline. Now, I do get why she would pick them.

They had been screwed on earlier items. Gabe had not been on a reward yet. But Andy didn't even have a chance to bid. She could have shown him loyalty. She said in interviews, this was again, part of what's going on in her head, but not making it to Andy that she didn't have any connections with the two coup members. So this gave her an opportunity to open a door. And because she already felt good with Andy, as she told Dalton Ross, I was like, he's

not going to turn on me. I'm not sharing chocolate with him. He just ate. He got food already. And so this was another misstep when it came to him and not having a good read on how he might interpret it. Now, again, do we know that this played into andy's decision no it sure as hell didn't help yeah yeah and people can be pretty

aggressive over chocolate and peanut butter so that's the thing i would have wanted the most is honestly just peanut butter so it's actually what i ate you get to eat a breakfast before you go out um do they have to wake you up at 2 a.m. as well? Oh, they did wake us up at like 2 a.m. Yeah. So they ate one final meal and I just ate fruit and peanut butter because I didn't want to poop outside. So I was like, I want something high calorie, but it's not going to go right through. I was so afraid.

And so peanut butter was really like the best option. And the fruit didn't go right through? No. Well, i feel like if you pee it out maybe i was to say it was fine but um anyways i thought that yeah i would want the peanut butter for sure but i think that the i think the decisions she made were the right well i think maybe take andy for the peanut butter yeah and then caroline but or gabe one of the two but i think the picking sue over andy especially when i think all one of the two. But I think the picking Sue over Andy, especially when I think all three of the Gata people were on the same side,

did make sense. But you just got to talk to him about it. Yeah. Well, yes. And that's that's the part of all of this. I seem it's like the theme for for poor Sierra. It all comes back to Andy and what Andy needed, which is unfair to Sierra in a a way because part of the game

players are doing i'm not i'm not done yet i'm not done yet like i but it's it is one of those unfortunate situations where if you are choosing to play the game with someone who has needs that are a little bit more i mean sam and andy couldn't have been any more different as far as what an alliance partner is going to bring to the table. And you have to be able to figure out how to handle each of those individuals. And we're not talking about the fact that she didn't pick Sam for the peanut butter. You know, we're talking about she didn't pick Andy for the peanut butter. Well, Andy didn't have any money. And so in the survivor grand scheme of things, well, who cares? He didn't find any money. He didn't get to play the game.

That's on Andy. That's not on me. But then it becomes on her because he is someone who thinks he's close to her. And so it's all of these extra little permutations that you have to be mindful of when you're playing the game. And I can respect her decision to want to say, well, I need to get close with Caroline and Gabe. I have to bring them into my world. But nobody else knows that necessarily. She knows that in her own head, but it's the optics of it. It's what it looks like. And if you have someone who's sitting there who didn't find any money and as much as it might be like the better move for you to pick these other people,

you might just want to go, well, here's a really easy reason why i'm picking andy andy didn't get any money and he didn't get to bid on anything i'm gonna bring andy no one's offended by that no one's offended by that because they understand it but to be fair as well they or he um andy was like the eighth one in on the plan you know they didn't need andy or the plan so it's like how much was andy responsible for gata being left out versus the others making a plan and wanting them out and they with or without andy like that i'm not 100 sure yeah i've got i've got thoughts on that when we get to Appendix A. Oh, don't jump ahead. Yeah. But, yeah, as far as, I mean, one of you mentioned that, you know, she should have told him when it came to the picking.

Now, maybe she did. Maybe she had a conversation with him afterwards and said, this is why we didn't pick you. But here's the problem. When it happens again and again and again. Yes. And even if she has reasons, you know, it's like you're dating someone and they keep canceling on you.

And it happens every single time. You're going to start thinking, well, did she really have to wash her hair that night? You know, did she really have to organize her sock drawer? you know um did she really have to organize her yes she did david um sock drawer yeah so if you ever heard that excuse david i'm sorry i did not i did not they didn't give excuses they just said no um uh but uh so yeah i mean that you know becomes part of it all right we can move on to the sixth rule which warns against being too much of a threat and we talked a lot in the second rule

about sierra and sam being an obvious duo along with kyle spreading around that they were running things in addition to that we heard in this episode from genevieve that the former gata members are quote so, so charismatic. They're so big and strong. And to her, they were the most dangerous. So clearly one of them had to go. And the question was, which one? Kyle said, Sam is more of a physical threat, but the social game is the dangerous part.

And Gabe added, I see Sierra as the head of the snake of Ghana. Now, I mentioned a few minutes ago in the fifth rule that we would revisit her social game once we got here, and, well, at least I think I did. If not, I meant to. You're right, David. Yeah, I do think it's necessary, because that social game was really what people felt more threatened by. Because that social game was really what people felt more threatened by.

We discussed earlier how she said Kyle told her later, and I don't know exactly when later was, but that he felt she was the glue holding Sam and Rachel together. I'd already mentioned that. And if she really was friends with other people and they were all, you know, clearly having fun together, that would have added to it as well because they'd be like, wow, she just, everybody loves her. What's going on here now?

So somewhat ironically, that could mean the more teeny asked why they couldn't target Sam instead, the more other people might have been like, we really need to target Sierra so that Sierra won't be close to Teenie. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's a very fine line that you have to balance at that point. And Teenie, I think, recognized very quickly where she was falling amongst the group of

people at that point and knowing enough not to push back and to say, okay, she tried, but I'm not, I'm not going to put myself out there and kind of let everything fall. I'll give my opinion, but if they're not willing to accept my offering, that's okay. Yeah. Or, you know, if they don't, like, I feel like if Sierra is valuable enough for teeny tell sierra to play her shot in the dark yeah well and that's that's a fine point too yeah that would have been interesting if she had played her shot in the dark and then

and no one had known and they'd split the vote then sam goes that's that yeah yeah and maybe that's actually uh you know a point in teeny's favor in terms of getting the vote to go her way yeah if uh it comes out of oh sierra's playing her shot in the dark just so you guys know you know yeah yeah interesting i like this idea and then we wouldn't have had this whole uh issue of um you know that that kind of just contradicting himself with the revote so right yeah although you know i do understand a little bit why you don't do something like that just because we've seen you know angelina tell elizabeth you're going home oh yeah and then elizabeth blows it up but i don't think that Angelina and Elizabeth had a strong relationship.

Right. To be able to, you know, it just didn't hit the same way. Well, you can also do it like literally, okay, we're calling you together. You know, we're leaving. And it's like, just very quickly, you need to play your shot in the dark. That's all you need to say. And they had a strong relationship, you know? Yeah.

Yeah. All right. Well, the seventh rule covers idols and advantages in game mechanics. And Sierra didn't have any of those to deal with directly, but she did. And we mentioned this earlier, talking interviews about how Sam's idol find on God helped her decide for sure that Anika wasn't really with her.

You know, she of course knew about Sam finding the idol and also knew Annika was with him. So she asked and Annika said, no, we didn't find anything. And later, again, probably post game, but I'm not entirely sure. She heard that Annika supposedly wanted Sam to tell her himself. But her feeling was if they were really a tight alliance why would they care about sam telling her so that's why i'm not sure if it was post-game or within the game that she confronted well it's interesting because we saw that and then we saw the caroline thing where

caroline confronted sue and sue denied it and then caroline's like come on you know like and use that to build a stronger bond right sierra took took that as a, okay, you're not telling me it's over for us. And, you know, I don't know. I feel like, I feel like sometimes, um,

even if you're very loyal to somebody, it doesn't always benefit. Even you or that person that you're withholding information from to know everything at all times. Yes. I agree wholeheartedly. I think there's a balance, that you're withholding information from to know everything at all times yes i agree wholeheartedly balance but i think the problem is that sierra knew that she knew something right and that's

where withholding is a bit tough and i think that that more falls on annika in that situation yeah and i think that visiting that or pushing a little bit on annika might have been better like no no i actually i i know i know that you found something with him. Like it's almost like walking into the conversation in a different way. Like, oh, so you and Sam found blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And just kind of see what her reaction would be to that. I think her reaction would have been, oh yeah, I was going to tell you.

Or, you know, oh yeah. Now that you're both here, let me tell you. Yeah. Who's to say? Yeah. All right, we could go to Appendix A, which is about the players keeping their end goals in mind when voting, and we talk about voting out the weak, then the strong,

then the weak, then the strong. At this point in the game, they should be voting out the strong, but that word doesn't just mean, like, muscles. But as this appendix notes quote strong also means those who can organize others and we just talked about how they viewed sierra in that light yeah and they spent a lot of time at tribal council talking about getting rid of the most threatening player at this point in time so it seemed like they were all thinking about this as well when they were going into that vote see i feel like the the meta of the game is still shifting a little bit and i did find that there's 11 people left now

when there's 11 people left on our beach we were not looking to vote up most threatening player it was uh still kind of picking out the outsiders until you can make out a or make a bigger move um and i think in this case for a lot of the people it does make sense to knock out someone who is not overtly threatening but is a very capable person like her and but sometimes i also just think that the ball does not bounce in the right direction and that doesn't always fall on the player I think especially as a merger there's so many people sometimes things are a little bit out of your control with how they fall and so I feel like Sierra is kind of in that category a little bit but I just don't think we saw enough of her game and why people voted her out specifically. Cause it seemed like people were voting her out either for being too good or

because of her link to somebody else. And, uh, kind of sucks, you know? Yeah. I mean, you mentioned that, you know, people pick off some of the outsiders. I don't know that there are quote outsiders here. I think they mingled so much that you have these different groups coming together in different ways um and i think that there were in this in this group a lot of different viewpoints that came together there's no consensus right it was it was really somewhat impressive that there were as genevieve said so many cooks in the kitchen. Some wanted Rachel out, some wanted Sam out, some wanted Sierra out.

Yet they eventually came to a consensus and they made it work. And it's crazy that there's so many cooks in the kitchen when there's no food. Right. Because we don't get any food, Jessica, in the new era. Listen, also 39 days, I just gonna say yeah i know i know remember i'm supposed to get your goat on this so it's like day four and they've already merged yeah and i'm so hungry yeah four days i mean this is the now this next part you know is

what i had mentioned earlier because as far as sierra was concerned in her interview she gave andy all the credit for her boot telling dalton ross interesting he was quote a hundred percent responsible for me sitting here today i like andy a lot i would not go that far um she said we all need to do our best andy yeah hold on hold on let me shake let me shake all my hair he could be like a pantene commercial or something oh my god it was so good that was great um she said she knows andy had to be the one pushing her name because she wanted or he wanted to keep sam as a closer ally and she also noted he brought in lavo via saul and we saw he also made an alliance with genevieve so yes i agree he played a major role you know hom Homer you said earlier he seemed to be brought in late

but I don't know he had that yeah I kind of changed my opinion now because I forgot that Saul is like a big window into why this happened and if Andy and Saul want to stick with Gata they probably could just do that

and they didn't so kind of back and forth now you know okay um so i i do think he played a major role just not a hundred percent because we've already gone over a lot of the reasons that other people wanted sierra out and yeah he was not the only one saying those things well and i think it was such an interesting dynamic, too, to see how many people were being considered, you know, who wanted who to go home. And it was everyone kind of had a different reason

for why this person needed to be voted out. Saul was like, I'm saving Rachel. I've done so much work to keep her here. I certainly don't want her going home. And you had Genevieve, who wanted someone else to be voted out. And Teenie disagreed and wanted Sam to go. And so it's like all of these people were really coming up with their own reasons because they are very game centered and what's going to be best for their own game and they were all able to come to a somewhat of a consensus relative to Sierra for various reasons

but they did all kind of come back to Sierra I wonder wonder if, you know, I, I, that's part of it. It's like, okay, Genevieve really wants Rachel out. Saul really wants Rachel to stay. So they kind of cancel each other. You know, this person wants this, this, this person wants that. Teenie was the only one that we saw defending sierra right and so i think that everything you know to cause to to keep this group together without causing a fight that would suddenly cause who knows who to get targeted i think they all just closed in on the one person who only had one defender that makes sense i uh i've lost my train of thought okay um and i'll so i'll continue then and just say plus you had people like andy pushing for

sierra which is why i think sierra gave him the 100% credit. So I think Andy plus whoever kind of outweighed Teenie. Oh yeah, I wanted to see somebody and they were like, I want Rachel out. I want Sierra out. I want Sam out. And I wanted someone to get cut to be like, I don't give a shit. As long as it's not me.

Right, anybody but me. Yeah. I do think there is something, like i think these people are all clearly just trying to like buy their time to do something else and so maybe a vote like this doesn't matter that much in terms of uh you know yeah to like in certain individuals because maybe they can pick up the pieces with whoever's left and you don't spend your social capital at this time right to nitpick between which gata goes um but i don't know maybe some people thought that way maybe they didn't sue didn't seem to really care that much kyle didn't really seem to care that much yeah as

long as it was one of them it was he was like although kyle was one of the main people pushing for sierra so oh right i forgot about that i feel like kyle should have gone with them but you know maybe he'll be fine who's this'll win every immunity. He might. He might. That would be crazy. I do want to mention Andy a little bit more here, because I wonder if he's going to change the way future players think about kind of his archetype early in the game. Because originally, someone like him would have been voted out right away. Yes. OK, the meta going into this season was you take someone who appears to be like him and you mold and use them you turn them into your emily you turn them into what you wanted to do with banu but was unable to do um now though with andy kind of coming into

his own i think that idea is going to flip back and be like oh no we just we just need to get rid of them right away we're not going to deal with this listen i've been saying this for quite some time andy is like one of the most dangerous players in this new era of survivor because there is this idea that exists around people like andy who other players like oh i can use this person to my benefit and i i will take them under my wing and i will i will now have a second vote this is the most dangerous person like you need it really, because we've seen it so often. And I do think that it is something that it's almost like once these individuals get their footing, they're off to the races. And you've given them the opportunity to kind of build themselves up because at the beginning, they appear they appear unthreatening but they're just

gathering information and they're stuck with caroline too yes caroline um yes not caroline caroline but i mean yes that's very true because the thing is people at the bottom if they are very capable play because the thing is you have 20 people 18 people whatever um people are going to naturally be at the bottom people are going to naturally be at the bottom. People are going to naturally be at the top. The people that fall to the bottom, there's so many fans now and people that know what they're doing, that there are people at the bottom that are actually very capable of players that the ball didn't bounce their way.

And Andy obviously, you know, had a big explosion. Marianne is somebody who's extremely capable player, but she fell to the bottom of our tribe. And at the merge was at the bottom of the tribe and andy as well like those are two people they obviously had different reasons they were at the bottom but they are both extraordinarily intelligent and once they get their footing like you said it is um it's extraordinarily dangerous and i think that you know sierra and sam did andy a favor and they turned and, and, you know, at one point it wasn't in his best interest to keep them around and he cut

them loose. I did Marianne favor after favor and it, you know, you, and I would, I even said, she has an extra vote. That's my extra vote. Et cetera, et cetera. And then eventually when they get their footing enough, that's when they can strike and it is um and they're capable of doing that whereas other people at the bottom don't have the ability to do something like that so yeah future players take note all right well for the first time this season we need to talk about appendix, which discusses the jury phase. Oh, my gosh. Yes. Including preparing yourself for being in final three and also preparing the jury to want to vote for you.

I don't really think any of that played a role when it came to Sierra. I mean, a couple of people were probably extra nice to her on her way out because she was about to become the mayor of Ponderosa. I think it was a mistake for Andy to actually vote her way out because she was about to become the mayor of Ponderosa. But this is why I think it was a mistake for Andy to actually vote her out right now. Okay. I do think the mayor of Ponderosa talks a lot. Well, it depends. I mean,

she claims she claimed at the time, and she claims in her interviews, I'm not holding a grudge. I'm going based on game. If she went in there interviews i was not holding a grudge i'm you know going based on game if she went in there a hundred percent believing andy was responsible he you know he makes it the final three and in theory he has her vote well see i disagree in some well okay people always say that i know i said yeah says that and she's not like that but the thing is people can also use

whatever they want to justify whatever they want the jury i don't know if this is jessica's experience the jury is extraordinarily unpredictable in terms of how they feel in the game versus out of the game i was shocked when i got to ponderosa and the people's opinions on the people in the game was completely opposite to what made sense at the time. And their perceptions as well were so warped about what was actually happening because they didn't have all the information. Right. They acted like they did. And it's like they feed off of each other.

They get one piece of the pie and they get two pieces of the pie and then three. But they always think that that whole pie is the whole picture. And they don't understand that there are more things going on. think because it is life in general with yes that is very true but if you were sierra or whomever and you think that andy voting you out was a mistake you could easily justify saying and that's not this is what she would do but like i'm voting for the best player and i would never vote for andy because he made such a stupid move. He should have done that later or I had really had his back or whatever it may be. People can justify whatever they want.

And I think that putting her as the first juror like that is something that could potentially be very, very risky. It could. I think putting Sam as the first juror would have been worse for. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why I'm'm like is the question did andy do it too soon like i don't know but um i think the first person on the jury is very important yes i don't disagree because they will have the most time to gather information and to sway information because they're they're going to be sitting through everybody walking through those doors and then everyone having those conversations and so they can really kind of manage the narrative if they would like to so i do think that that's a that's

a very interesting point as to how she's going to respond because she might be one of those jurors that says well i respect you because you took me out and you needed to. And if he leans in on that and says, well, I had to take you up because you were the biggest threat. Well, then that's a pat on her back and she can feel better about herself. Like, oh, well, that's why he voted me out. So I guess it would depend on if he is in the final three, how his selling point to her will be in regards to this particular vote.

And it will also be the people that come in. Like, what are they saying about it? Because she's going to be primed on Andy, but she won't have a chance to hear from Andy about this specific thing until the very end. And that's why even on your season, at the end of the day, that's why the whole jury believed that dragons were secretly a conspiracy by the government to not that were in existence you know like that's how much influence michelle really took over

so um you like whatever these people come in and talk about andy if they're framing it in a positive way perhaps she'll go that way but if they come in and they're like i don't know why he turned on you then it's very easy to like turn the other way on that right sure right okay all right well it is about time to wrap things up so omer what are your final thoughts on sierra um i thought that sierra was a champion of the chickens very personable person um i really liked her i think that she didn't um uh get the best well-rounded edit that i think that she probably deserved given how central she was to the storyline and especially on her first tribe um but she did a great job you know bring her back and bring her back with chickens that's what i always say i want survivor 50 to to be Sierra and 19 chickens

What about Ty? Can Ty be on it too? Maybe he could be a reward Yeah Oh, a chicken reward Yes I love that I'm just thinking of Gonzo the Muppet Yeah, I'm thinking of Gonzo the Muppet with all his chickens, you know

Oh, that's one of my favorites, I love him I don't know what you're talking about You don'tzo the Muppet with all his chickens. Oh, that's one of my favorites. I love him. I don't know what you're talking about. You don't know the Muppet? I know Gonzo. I don't know this chicken's story. I never watched the Muppet. He was in love with his chickens. Yes.

Yes. It was a lovely story. Yes. I'm going to jump in my garbage can after this. Okay. That's a whole different Muppet on a different that is different muppet different muppet the proper muppet yeah the best all right well jessica what do you think well i sierra's pre-game interviews were inclusive of

stating that i think i was just born for this game. There's no other way to put it. My physical abilities, my social abilities. I'm like, we're going to thrive out here. It's something that my family, it brought us together. So she really came into this game feeling like this was her time. And I and I do feel like she took that approach because she was someone who was very into watching all of the season. She understood the game.

And I think she understood herself enough to know what her abilities were going to be when she went out there. But what I don't think she spent enough time doing was thinking about how those abilities could be a problem for her out there when she's playing this game and someone who has the ability to kind of ingratiate themselves with people or find someone and connect and bond because that's not something that everyone is just naturally good at some people are just not naturally good at connecting with complete strangers and she seemed to be able to do that and unfortunately for her i think that worked in her detriment or to her detriment because of Sam. Sam was someone that she met quickly.

They bonded the first night and then suddenly they were a duo. And that was that. And everybody saw it, not just their tribe, but the other tribe saw it. And they saw it on the mat when they were there for a few minutes. And then that became part of her story. That became part of the narrative attached to Sierra. It was Sierra and Sam. It was never just Sierra.

It was always Sierra and Sam. And unfortunately, when you have a duo, one of them's got to go, right? You know what that means for you. I know. I'm the second one. So you don't ever take out the sam you take out the one next to so here i go so that's it i guess you gotta step and you were part of that history biggie i was they almost got married out there okay i'm just saying

that almost happened which after considering what happened afterwards probably would not have been good and not it wouldn't have been a great look, for sure. But as far as Ciara is concerned, I think Ciara really did do a great job out there and really putting forth everything that she knew herself to be capable of. But unfortunately didn't realize that what she was so capable of was also going to work against her in the end. She needed to spend more time with those people that didn't share the same components like she had, where they just had a natural ability to connect. And that would be Andy. You have to spend a little bit more time with those individuals that you've decided to play the game with, even if they have to be treated differently or be handled a little bit differently than you would expect to be needed to be treated. She just needed to really reach out to Andy more than she

did. And unfortunately she didn't. And I think for her, Andy was a big part of why she went home. But I think also just her social capital was another big reason why she ended up going home. Just her social capital was another big reason why she ended up going home. Yeah, Sierra had a very good pre-merge. She had a super tight ally in Sam, another alliance with Annika and Rachel, plus she had Andy's loyalty. It was damn near perfect. Except, of course, the part about her duo with Sam, word of that spreading like wildfire outside Gada, and there wasn't anything she could do to stop it. When she got to the merge, she had a plan to try to counter it, make new allies while holding on to her original Gadas. But that's

where things fell apart. Only one part of that worked, making new allies slash friends. But in the meantime, she and Sam were even more clearly marked as being an extremely tight duo and as the two running the show. And while she was off making new friends, she lost her grip on Andy while taking him for granted, helping to turn him into an enemy with a vendetta instead. On top of all that, the new friends she made, well, they followed rule four. And in the words of Teenie and Tribal Council, we're friends, but it's not a game of friends. It's a game of

survivor and there's only one winner. They turned on her for a few reasons. One was, of course, Andy pushing the narrative, but it went beyond that. Others saw the need to split up the duo. And there were reasons to consider her a bigger threat than Sam. Standing them side by side, you might not think so. And she voiced her opinion on that matter as she was leaving. But as Kyle recognized, the social game is the dangerous part. Sierra was very good at that portion of the game when it came to most people. Too good, as it turned out.

Or at least too good compared to Sam. And that is why Sierra lost. Thank you. There we are. Thank you. All right. Well, before we get to our predictions, where I will correctly predict the third person in a row.

Oh, good. I'll go after you. to our predictions where I will correctly predict the third person in a row. Good. I'll go after you. I want to let everyone know that next week we will have a returning guest, Dr. Jeremy Faust. We had him on last season. We got so many compliments about his game analysis that we're bringing

him back. He's fantastic as well. Like investigated COVID. Yes. Yeah. Among other things. Yes. He's's i don't know how he has time for survivors he's an er doctor a father and he does like scientific investigations also and so yes he writes papers and i'll be sure to ask him if he loves buffalo chicken wings yes yeah well it doesn't matter what he said you're still wrong and also i was making a fousey joke but i didn't realize that he actually does that stuff oh okay yeah i was like wow you know him um he does correspond i should know different contenders

that's incredible players uh but uh also i want to remind everyone of course that the rules we just discussed are available in the shorter poster form uh as well as t-shirt form and as a checklist so again go to rob has website.com slash yx lost feed uh for that and perhaps you would like to follow us or look for us on social media. I am at Jessica Lewis 89 on Twitter. And I'm also at Jessica Lewis, six, seven, eight,

nine on Instagram. But I am not as social as this guy, David Bloomberg over here, who has so many social media platforms that he has a link tree in order to find all of the locations where you can find all of his content. And I'm sure that we will also hear from, I just want to say the name that is at the bottom of your screen so badly as to where you could, you could find him as well.

So David, why don't you talk about your link tree and then Omar can talk about how people can find him as well. So, David, why don't you talk about your Linktree, and then Omar can talk about how people can locate him. Well, yes. I am at Linktree slash David Bloomberg with a dot before the E in the URL. You can find me directly on Twitter and Blue Sky as at David Bloomberg, on threads as at David Bloomberg TV. Now, a lot, and I mean mean a lot of people have been leaving twitter

in the last week and jumping to the other two platforms so if you are one of them make sure to find me there and there have been people finding me on both threads and blue sky uh my numbers have jumped on both of those they're still not at Twitter numbers, but, you know, it's happening. Patience. Yes, exactly. I am also on the video platforms YouTube, TikTok, and Instagram as at DavidBloombergTV, where I post two or three or sometimes more videos per day. I'm now over 41,000 subscribers on YouTube.

So, you know, everybody should join the fun there um i'm currently posting clips of course from survivor uh plus shows like the traders canada the summit and house of villains which also reminds me i am co-hosting uh the trade our podcast for the traders canada season two that's he does it all yes he really does truly so where can people find you Omar? I don't want to be found no I'm kidding my address is

I'm just kidding as well Instagram ozahir24, twitter x whatever you want to call it omarzahir dvm I don't have anything else I mean I have a TikTok but I don't even understand it so I don't log in

very often maybe I'll get Blue Sky I don't know it's too much and that's the problem with Blue Sky and Threads is there's currently no agreed upon location for all the reality TV people to go.

Like many of the scientists went to Blue Sky. Threads sucks though. Threads is not great. I mean, neither of them is perfect. Both of them have their issues. Sounds familiar. Yeah, but Threads has more people because it's directly linked to instagram so people who had instagram accounts can easily just turn it into a threads account

and you can find out who got bots that way ah yes so oh that's interesting yeah some social media influencers uh kind of got caught with their pants down there. Uh-oh. That's not something you want. Really? Oh, this is more tea. Okay. We'll have to find that out after we're done.

Dairy club. Oh, you know. Yeah. Okay. I don't have enough. So we can move into predictions. Now, the preview tells us Sam wants to cause chaos. And it looks like chaos is ensuing, whether he's causing it or not.

Genevieve says Saul wants Gabe out. Sue wants to blindside Saul. Saul wants to target Sue. Teenie wants to know why not Kyle, which suggests to me that Kyle doesn't win immunity. So remember how just a few minutes ago I talked about

hey, good job everyone sticking together and coming to a consensus? I think that's getting blown to hell next week. Which does make it more difficult to predict. But I am going to say that teeny's why not kyle comment is a misdirect because the suggestion is why not kyle oh okay so we're not going to see kyle i think one reason people won't stick together is because some of

them want to vote out kyle for being too much of a threat and other people won't stick together is because some of them want to vote out Kyle for being too much of a threat and other people won't want to but I do think in the end it could end up being kind of a little bit of a boring vote it's like oh immunity threat didn't win immunity let's vote him out so I'm going to steal Jessica's pick from last week and say Kyle will go. It's plagiarism. It is. But it's okay because I'm sticking with Kyle for this week. Oh, okay. This doesn't make any sense.

It doesn't make any sense? I was going to predict that Jessica is wrong, but now she can't be wrong. You can't both be wrong. I'm sorry to throw you off. Well, because the only reason why I'm still leaning towards Kyle is if there becomes an opportunity to vote him out because he doesn't want immunity, it is like the easy kind of decision where everybody can come to a consensus and go,

well, he didn't want immunity. He's been winning immunity. And we saw him actually mention that himself in this past episode, that this could damn him the next time. And so I feel like it it's one of those it's almost like a safe vote for everyone really because they can just kind of come together and go well but kyle didn't win immunity so we don't have to really talk about this it's an easy vote yeah so this is why i'm thinking it's going to be kyle okay i think susan is going to play her idol on Gabe and Kyle will go home as a result.

Really? Wow. Wow. I thought you'd be bold. Yeah. Look at you coming out of there with this crazy idea. I was thinking something might happen

where Rachel might play her idol. Like they might switch to Rachel. That's a good one. But no matter what, in the end, Kyle is going. She's winning now, remember? So she's saving that. Well, I mean, she could win by playing it, you know, potentially. I know, but not yet.

There's still too many people left. Yeah. I'm going to make sure that I let that dog out on Twitter, you know? I'm going to get Rachel to be my little attack dog, you know? Who should I go for next? Maybe I was behind it all The kissy lips were very nice So funny She's so funny

They were directed at you Even though she didn't know that I know, but listen I can respect her I thought it was great i was like that's so funny coming for david it was good it was good and i was defending you that video was defending you i mean it was all a joke you know but listen i appreciate it and and i i my decision was terrible i'm not you know i'm not i'm not you know it was actually no well yes it was

it was definitely will's fault you know what and this is the other thing too not that i wanted and he became a lawyer so again blame the lawyers damn lawyers um we had yet to see a season where anybody got out of their seats in tribal council right and because it because the way that it was presented to us before we went to every tribal council was like this is your seat this is where you're sitting and they had the little drawing and like it was very important that you knew where you were sitting and I remember sitting there going Will was all the way down to the other end and I was like I everybody i needed to like actually talk to was over there the only person next to me was jay and jay was like jessica just flip

just flip it's fine just flip and i was like shut up that was what i was hearing was this guy over here and so it's it's so frustrating now to think back to be like you should have just stood up and went over but but in my head it was like I'm not allowed to move from my spot I forgot you were on so long ago that there were no live tribals oh god I'm gonna be dead by tomorrow listen I can take it

don't you worry about it that's been a long time 2016 too long that's like oh my god it's so long ago she'll be back but a lot of things have changed since then i mean a lot of things have changed and well and i i think that's one reason that i mean other than the fact that you're you know going out by a rock was so emotionally scarring to everyone but i think that's one reason that we haven't seen it again is because people now will get up and talk and work it out so they don't have that situation must have been tough for you to see rocks roy yes yeah rocks are always you know any any mention and there's been so many mentions of rocks i think in

so many episodes everyone now talks about it it's like an option i'm like this is not an option everyone needs to stop that is not an option rocks are not an option put that out of your mind i do it all right well as we wrap up i want to encourage people to check out the rjp patron program at rob has a website.com patron you can get access to all of the special podcasts that are out just for patrons, plus the Facebook groups and Discord and discounts on

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thank you omer for joining us today of course but of course this has been truly fun it really has been a great time and i think you know that at some point we should probably get together and enjoy some of those delicious foods that we just you know talked so much about at the beginning and including those spicy chicken wings remember just order for each other that's all you have to do yeah you know true. So yes, thank you, Omer. It was a lot of fun. People may be like, hey, how come it took so long to get Omer on? We had tried.

We just kept having conflicting calendars and the like. So it took a little while, but it was worth it. Better late than never. That's right. It was worth it. It was fantastic. Thank you so much for joining us yes of course thank you uh and of course thank you jessica for another great week uh mentioned

earlier uh dr jeremy faust will be joining us next week and we will see everybody then bye if you want a survivor and you're feeling down david and Jessica will turn it around. They'll break down the rules and they'll show you how. You played yourself and got voted out. This is why Blank lost. This is why Blank lost. Baby, this is why blind loves