RHAP: We Know Survivor - Why ___ Lost: Survivor 48 Ep 6 with Kellyn Bechtold

Episode Date: April 5, 2025

Why ___ Lost: Survivor 48 Ep 6 with Kellyn Bechtold Lots of people predicted Charity would go in this merge episode. What was it that stood out as being a problem? Why did she think she was doing so well, only to have the rug pulled out from under her? How was that difference in […]

Breaking news, a brand new game is now live at Bet365. Introducing Prize Matcher, a daily game that's never ordinary. All you have to do is match as many tiles as you can, and the more you match the better. We also have top table games like our incredible Super Spin Roulette, Blackjack, and a huge selection of slots. So there you have it. How can you match that? Check out Prize Matcher and see why it's never ordinary at Bet365. Must be 19 or older Ontario only. Please play responsibly. If you or someone you know has concerns about gambling,

visit connexontario.ca, T's and Z's apply. With the Fizz loyalty program, you get rewarded just for having a mobile plan. You know, for texting and stuff. And if you're not getting rewards like extra data and dollars off with your mobile plan, you're not with Fizz. Switch today. Conditions apply.

Details at fizz.ca. This episode is brought to you by FX's Dying for Sex on Disney+. Based on the podcast of the same name, Dying for Sex tells the story of Molly, who is diagnosed with stage 4 breast cancer. Determined to feel everything she can before she can't feel anything, she decides to leave her unhappy marriage to explore her sexuality with some encouragement from her best friend, Nikki. FX is dying for sex, now streaming only on Disney+. Sign up now at DisneyPlus.com.

McDonald's new cheesy jalapeno and bacon quarter pounder with 100% Canadian beef is here. So if you crave beefy burgers with a pretty peppery punch and pickled jalapeno peppers pile in the perfect bunch, and if you plead please if a cheesy taste came in threes with cheesy jalapeno pepper sauce poured with ease, and if smoky strips of bacon make burgers better, you'll love our cheesy jalapeno and bacon quarter pounder.

Get this beefy, bold, bacony, melty mouthful only at McDonald's for a limited time. Visa and OpenTable are dishing up something new. Get access to primetime dining reservations by adding your Visa Infinite Privilege card to your OpenTable account. From there, you'll unlock first-come, first-serve spots at select-top restaurants when booking through OpenTable.

Learn more at opentable.ca forward slash Visa Dining. If you lost survivor and you're feeling down, David and Jessica will turn it around. They'll break down the rules and they'll show you how. You blamed yourself and got voted out. This is why blank lost. And This is why blank lost. This is why blank lost. Oh baby this is why blank lost. Welcome back to why blank lost. I'm Bloomberg, and possibly for the first time ever, all three people on the last podcast got the prediction right.

I know. Even the person who normally curses all her predictions, my co-host, Jessica Lewis. I'm so very proud of myself. Thank you for that introduction because yes, I will say this too, my mother even messaged me, you were all right. I'm like, thank you, mom will say this too, my mother even messaged me, you were all right.

And I'm like, thank you, mom. She's so supportive of us. It was very, very sweet and kind. But yeah, so we'll see how I do this week. No pressure. You don't wanna get too high on myself for being correct, but we'll see what happens. We'll see if I can keep this going in that direction.

All right, and to help us out, as video viewers can already see, we have another special guest who would probably have told Bianca last week not to listen to her second gut. Kellan Beck told from Survivor Ghost Island. Hey, everybody. Happy to be here. Yeah, one gut is enough.

The second, leave it behind. I was like, Oh, we were off by one episode when it came to all the one I know. Well, maybe some gut talk will come up during this discussion. Maybe. Now, Kellan, I mentioned the season you are on, but of course, you have also had a couple of seasons of your own podcast right here on RHAP Road to Reality. Do you want to talk a little bit about that for

anyone who might not be as familiar with it? Sure, sure. And anyone who started to listen and hasn't gotten back to it, because I think the average length of those podcasts is like an hour and 45 minutes. So they are a commitment. It's a novel instead of a short article. But Road to Reality was built out of this idea that I had that CBS does all of this really great work to find all these people who have a potential winning story. Like they don't cast anyone who they can't totally tell this entire story of a winner. But some people we get to see on our TV for like five minutes and that's it. And yet everyone who plays Survivor has a story. Everyone is really good

at storytelling for the most part. And people are really good narrators. And so Road to Reality is a podcast with people who played Survivor. And it's not really about playing Survivor at all. It's about the experience of what their life story was before, what it was like going through casting and how integrating back into quote unquote regular life after being on Survivor is. And we I mean, every topic under the sun, if you're just getting started, most people say their favorite episode was with me and Dom from my season. But everyone kind of has their own own favorite episode after that, so go check it out.

There are two seasons of Road to Reality, 18 episodes and people from all over the board that have played Survivor. So it was a dream to get to do that podcast. Yeah, and you know, we were talking about it a little bit before. Those are not like, people don't have to worry like, I missed it when it was on live, it's, it's going to be out of time. Now those are

pretty much evergreen episodes there. Yes, exactly. It's not necessarily set in today's time. I tried really hard not to do that actually. So it feels like you're sitting in a room with two survivors in the moment that it was happening and the before, during and after as of each person's life of their time and survivor. So we may hear in their like reference because we're survivors and we can't help it reference something that happened in the current season. We were watching, of course, but for the most part, it is not time sensitive.

So you can listen to those anytime. All right. well, great. Well, you mentioned two survivors sitting in a room and you have been involved in RHAP in other ways for many years. Back in 2016, you were at RehapCon Chicago, and which was also my first RHAP event. And during a session with all the podcasters who were there.

I took a photo from the stage. But little did I know that there would be two future players sitting in the front row. And of course, I've got you circled there. in the front row. And of course, I've got you circled there. And, you know, Jessica, do you know who else is in the front row with her there? I know it's hard to see. I should have enlarged it a bit.

I don't. Who am I looking at? That is Rourke Luskin from Heroes, Healers and Hustlers. Oh my gosh. It's a two-over from her. Oh, that's so crazy. Oh my gosh. That's from 2016? Yes. Wow.

And then apparently I later heard that Brandon Donlon was there too. Oh, I haven't heard that. I didn't know that. But he didn't make it back into the room before I took that photo. Oh my gosh. I didn't know that. He didn't make it back into the room before I took that photo. Oh, my gosh. You just never know. Because not only did you not know there were two survivors in that room, I did not know there were any survivors in that room, either including myself, because I had not started casting at that point in 2016 because it was in the summer. Right.

Yes. It was during the off season. Yeah, it was in the summer, right? Yes, it was during the off season. Yeah, it was during the summer and I didn't start getting called until I think it was October that I got called. So just a few months, I mean, I had no idea what that I would be sitting here one day. That's for sure. They heard you were in the front row of RehabCon and that's why they did it. Maybe that's how they got my number. I don't know.

Go to those events, go to all the Survivor events. I am such a proponent of any kind of event that you can make it out to. People can, people are there by themselves and make friends and, or bring your, drag your friend along who doesn't like Survivor. Those events of any kind are worth going. So if there's one near you, be brave, go out and have a good time with other Survivor fans. We're actually all really nice people in person, even if the internet seems to look otherwise.

There is something that bonds all of us. Yes, that is for sure. So I completely agree. They're fantastic events. There are so many people there. And you will at least know that you will have something in common with everyone in the space. So you will have something to talk about. There's no question about that. Yes.

All right. Well, for anyone who is new to this podcast and tuning in and saying, why are they talking about stuff that happened in 2016 and things like that? Well, you know, that's just some intro stuff, because what we do each week is look at the player who has voted out and compare what they did in the game to my rules for winning. But I originally wrote way back even further than that after season one and have been updating ever since.

And we use all the non-spoiler information available to us from what we saw on TV, interviews, social media, and secret scenes. The newest published version of the rules can be found on robhezzewebsite.com slash yxlostfeed, and then you can click on the link bubble for survivor rules. And of course, this week, we are talking about charity. But before we address how charity did in terms of the rules, we always have some other things to discuss from the episode. And I want to start by looking back at last week in light of new information from this week. Oh, yes. Yeah. Now I was happy to see that we actually got the opening scene

as a sneak peek on YouTube and maybe Paramount Plus a few days early to help solve the mystery of what happened at that tribal council. I'm also happy that I don't have to be really, really mad at production for hiding things like I thought they had possibly done in the what we called last week the alternative or parallel timeline scenario. But I'm also glad we had that discussion because even though it turned out to be the more straightforward

situation, it still led to interesting points. Like the fact that I still think Christy and Mitch should have known that Bianca was lying the whole time. And therefore, Bianca should have known that she needed to somehow address that situation rather than just lying and then suddenly telling the truth at the end. But neither of those things happened, so they kind of canceled each other out, and we ended up with the main case situation that we discussed. Yes, it was just as straightforward as we thought it might have been, but it seemed odd, right?

And I do think that there is something to be said, and I'm sure Kellan can speak to this as well, with the limited amount of time that you have when you know it's getting close to going out to tribal. And that's always a scary moment, right? Because you're like, did I have all the conversations I needed to have? Did I touch base with the people I need to? And then if you get a sense that something is off and you don't have a chance to talk to anyone, when they tell you to stop talking, that's really a horrific moment. Because you're just like, oh, that's it. I can't say anything more.

Yeah. Well, yeah. For sure. It's like the sun is setting. You know you have to go to tribal, but sometimes it doesn't, is it setting at the same speed? It feels like it goes down really, really fast on that day, on those days where you have to go to tribal and they you

know, they're gonna put you on lockdown or whatever. I was surprised and we don't have to go too far into it. But I was really surprised about who Cedric decided to tell but maybe that was it. What? Okay, that was that the going question about huh, that was that's why I wasn't exactly sure what had happened because I wouldn't have thought that the two of those I wasn't exactly sure what had happened, because I wouldn't have thought that the two of those those folks were working together. So anyway, I thought it was interesting. It went down and then great that it opened up and solved all the mysteries for

us. Yeah, I mean, I'm wondering if it was I'm sorry, David, to cut you off. But I am curious if it was just a matter of who was the closest person, because maybe he realized I don't have any time here. So I just need to tell the first warm body that I see. I'm curious if it was just as easy as that. I think that might have been part of it. And also, yeah, who would trust him to do it without questioning? Like if he had seen say, and told her, she's not just going to listen to a whisper at the last minute.

Yeah, that is true. Yeah. So what we know about Chrissy, right? Yeah. What we know about Chrissy, it does seem like maybe she would just believe him, believe him blank. So, um, yeah, I was really exciting. I thought except not great because she didn't have a vote. And that's why it all went down.

But for what it was, it was an interesting way for it to all play out. All right. So moving to this episode, we had the merge. And I know there's different words for it. There's survivor limbo. And we, of course, have called it merge a Tory. Thanks to Tiffany, misattributed to Xander, because they recorded him saying it, not her.

But to me, all that's gone now. It is a merge. And the only difference of it being anything else is only half the players get a feast. Because there's only one player with immunity, just like a normal merge. There's no- Which was so nice. Yeah, there's no earn the merge nonsense here from Jeff, other than him still saying it.

It's you know, it's almost back to normal, just with a bit of Jeff's added unnecessary flair. It's okay, Kellan. We do this every time. No, I just I get it. It is it is silly. I like the I like the part of like, well, it's really not any different. And they're actually like, it's all this thing that's different, except the only thing that's different is that half the people who have been starving.

Well, for what? Only 11 or 12 days. So, you know, there's that whole thing. And I know 13, but only half the people eat. Why? And nobody at home cares whether or not people get the merge feast or not. Just let the poor kids eat. Yeah, right. Just let them eat. And I will say like that food when we had the merge was just it was a moment to kind of bring everyone together.

And I think it actually allows for more conversations to be had. And it's not so limited because you're only with like part of the group. You're with all of the group. I yes, I agree with Count. Let them eat. Just like I say, let them play. It's going to happen. It will happen.

You don't need to force it. You don't need to create opportunities. It will, it will just happen. Give them food. It's okay. Yeah. It's going to be all right if they eat. They're still going to do crazy things and it's still going to gonna be interesting And part of the fun is to see them all together and to have the 13 happening all at once or yeah 13

And certainly when you're a player it was the best part. I think so For them that they miss out on that piece. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I agree. Yeah So, you know the merge as you as you said, Jessica brings, you know, people that people together, it brings old tribe mates back together. And sometimes they bring in all new allies after a swap, or they just find common interest in bonds with new people. And in one situation, we had all of those happening as Eva brought her tight allies, Joe and David

together. And they realized the love they share for dairy beverages. And so they made the milk Alliance after Joe said he drinks a gallon a day and, and David realized he was in love. Listen, if got milk, if got milk doesn't jump on this. I I do not know why they wouldn't. This is like an advertising moment. It's a dream. These two men, milk mustaches. Come on. Really? Just let's do this already.

I mean, it'll be fantastic. You could you'd have them being drinking milk together. I just there's so many things here. There's so many opportunities. So please, anyone out there who's listening, you need a got milk ad. It's on Survivor right now. It's happening. Yeah. In the hot sun, I would feel like the last thing you would dream about out there

is a big glass of milk, but you just never know what you're going to hear on supermatter. That is very fair. Very fair. Now the thing was, as funny as that was, the milk quickly went sour and curdled when we started hearing from the three of them that they want to play an honest game with integrity, which is why I'm wearing my honesty, loyalty, integrity shirt. And making air quotes every time you say it. Yes, air quotes. Um, you know, they have Shaheen, they have David has Kyle.

Eva tells us she knows she and Joe are a threat, so they need strong, like minded individuals to run the game. And Joe's plan is to have all the physical threats, but also loyal, honest players. And he told David he doesn't want to play backstabbing with David agreeing. No more manipulating and being a shield. If you're a liar or a schemer or a puzzle solver, you're gone. I love that the puzzle solvers got thrown in there too. Wait for it, yes. I just laughed into my mic, sorry about the audio.

It's just like, yeah, like how dare you scheme and also be smart. Yes. But then he said, let's have a season where we put someone on the podium who deserves to be there. Now, there are a few problems here. A few. A few.

First of all, that statement about someone deserving to win is insulting to all previous winners. I'm sure he didn't intend it that way, but it is. Second, Joe, and I didn't quote this part, but Joe was acting like backstabbing with some sort of new era thing. It's literally been part of Survivor since the start. Since the season one, they was introduced. Thank you, Richard Hatch, for inventing the game that we now

all watch. Right. So, yes, I'm sorry. It's been around for quite some time. Yeah. Third, this alliance already unknowingly has backstabbers that we now all watch. Right. So yes, I'm sorry. It's been around for quite some time. Yeah. You know, third, this alliance already unknowingly has backstabbers and schemers in it. This shirt that I'm wearing, I should have gotten an image of the back.

Although it says honesty, loyalty, integrity on the front, it says scheme and plot on the back for those who don't remember this shirt. Because where do you scheme and plot? Behind others back. this shirt, because where do you scheme and plot? Behind others back. Someone at the RHAP Chicago watch party a couple seasons ago, someone saw me across the room and said, I knew it was you because it said scheme and plot on the back of your shirt. And so, you know, David, although he doesn't acknowledge it, is a backstabber and a schemer because Charity pointed out in interviews, he's been lying to her the whole time that they knew each other.

And if they'd gone to tribal council, he would have voted her out. And then, of course, the other schemers are Shaheen and Kyle. And, you know, Kyle told us in a separate confessional, he knows it's a game for a million dollars, and he's lied, and Camilla is his secret number one. And I was out, I was cheering for him as he added, the foundation of what Camilla and I have is built on deception. Yeah. Unfortunately, people tend to forget that Survivor is not real life.

And which I think is part of the reason why viewers sometimes have a very hard time. Understanding or relating to players and decisions that they make and might judge some of the things that they've done. But it is a game for a million dollars when you just look at the simplistic component of Survivor, that's what you're doing. You're playing a game for a million dollars. And that requires you to do things that you would normally not do in your life every single day, like backstab people,

scheme and plot, all of these. You wouldn't do that in your everyday. I used to, but, you know. Maybe you wouldn't do that in your everyday. I used to, but you know. Well, it's not a common occurrence for many people. Right. And then unfortunately, that does become the game of survival. That's what you have to do. Yeah. Do you think there's a chance that they're.

Scheming and plotting while he's saying that, or do you think they really believe like David? I'm thinking of David and Joe specifically, like I couldn't quite tell if they were genuinely believing themselves and like somehow having this like separate space of like, it doesn't count that it was charity because he didn't actually have to do it and he really believes himself. I drink milk and I am good. Or if he is like, I'm I'm loyal, I'm going to be loyal. My read was that they believe themselves.

Oh, yeah. Maybe they're just winning Oscar where the performance is of pretending. I'm not sure. I think they believe themselves. And that's why I was glad to see Kyle have that separate thing, because I was like. From what we know of Kyle, there's no way he's going along with this, right? Don't pretend like he is. And then they showed the the extra see him like, OK, good. Who? You know, but I think for for some of them, like for Eva.

OK, I totally understand her wanting to surround herself with honest, loyal players, considering what she said about not being able to tell when other people are lying. So, yeah, OK, absolutely makes sense for Joe. It was pointed out to me online that. His sister was the really big fan, and he's playing in her honor more than anything. So it's I guess it's somewhat understandable that he'd want to play like that as well. And just like he'd previously said, he would give up his own game to protect Eva. So, okay, I can see that.

And yes, it also makes sense for David to want it because he's a huge physical threat, a huge obvious physical threat. He doesn't want to be taken out as the shield or whatever else. Um, you know, James Jones, who will be joining us here in a couple weeks, has said for years that a great strategy would be for all the big threats to get together and stay strong, like Tony's lion strategy in Winners at War. The problem is someone always blinks

and starts taking out the other dominoes. And, you know, even aside from that, it just pains me to hear all this honesty, loyalty, integrity stuff in a game that isn't about that and which we know is not going to win. Well, but I do think there is a world in which you can have some of that in Survivor, right? Like you have to be able to find that balance where you scheme and plot, you backstab, but you also need to find that loyalty component as well.

And so perhaps they're in David's mind and in Joe's mind, they are being loyal because they're being loyal to particular people. And to them, that's what equates to I'm going to play a loyal game because I will be loyal to these particular people. So I think that that's something that can certainly be a part of this game, but you do have to acknowledge the other part as well where though I can be loyal to this half over here, I don't need to be loyal to this half over here. Yeah, it's rationalization, I guess, to get back to your initial question there, Kellyn. High horse rationalization, right David? Is that what you're saying?

rationalization, right David? Is that what you're saying? Yes, exactly. Exactly. Okay, Martin, let's try one. Remember, big. You got it. The Ford It's a Big Deal event is on. How's that?

A little bigger. The Ford It's a Big Deal event. Nice. Now the offer? Lease a 2025 Escape Active all-wheel drive from 198 bi-weekly at 1.99% APR for 36 months with $27.55 down. Wow, that's like $99 a week. Yeah, it's a big deal. The Ford It's a Big Deal event. Visit your Toronto area Ford store or Ford.ca today. So the other thing that I wanted to mention, because you mentioned puzzlers, is, and this was the funniest thing to me.

Shortly after David talked about targeting the puzzle solvers. Who helped solve the puzzle in the merge challenge and one that would be David. Mm hmm. Crazy. Maybe we should know that. Oh, what about is, um, it's not me, it's them, that whole thing. It seems like he's got this going on. You know, I'm not a threat.

I'm seven feet tall with biceps the size of Texas, but I'm not a threat. I'm a loyal. I'm a loyal sheep. Come on. I'm not a challenge right here. That's right. I'm loyal and honest, except to charity. And I'm, you know, who's been my tribe mate since the beginning. And you know, I want to go after the puzzle solvers except when I solve the puzzle.

So, yeah. There's a little asterisk next to everything that he said. Yeah, absolutely. So, okay. So I know we've already talked a lot before we even get to charity, but I have one more person who I think deserves mention here before we get to that, and that is Star. Because for most of the season, we haven't seen much of her, in part because her tribe

was winning and she was often off trying to solve her beware advantage. And she wasn't part of the in group who was scheming together. But things have taken a big change for the better, as we saw a bit more of her last week and a lot more this week, especially the big fun personality. Many were expecting like when she came dancing up to the voting booth and accidentally flung the marker halfway across the room. So that was the really fun part. And then of course, another side when we saw Cedric feeling bad from the challenge and she was there, you know, pumping him up. And I was

like, damn, I want her to give me a pep talk the next time I need her. Yeah, she's so genuinely sweet. That was incredible to watch. Mm hmm. Yeah. I had tears streaming down my face legitimately with her. Like it was just so genuine and just so pointed. It wasn't just like, come on, buddy, you got this. It was just like, you know, your kids are going to be proud and you're just. It was just she was a person who was paying so much attention, making real connections, real bonds flying under the radar here, I think from a strategic

standpoint, and like impeccable survivor, impeccable survivor. And also just beautiful story to watch and fun like when she was singing about like, appearing to be on the beach by yourself, like singing like the boats are going to come or whatever that tune was. I really, really, really fell for star this episode. And I not to go back too far, but when she decided to openly give the idol to Eva, I thought that was one of the best moves we've seen on this season so far. I hope it pays off for her.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. So, so yeah, that was a, you know, I've already seen a number of people flipping their opinion on her, which I never had a particular opinion one way or another, because we saw so little of her. You know, I knew what I would have said if they had gone to tribal council and voted her off. But, you know, now we've seen so much more of her personality. And I think we also have to remember that was the first, I mean, it's not like she'd been on a tribe for a long time with Cedric. She was brand new to him at that point. Maybe known each other for a day at that.

Yeah. Yeah, it was great. Great moment. All right. Well, do either of you have anything or anyone else you want to discuss from the episode before we get to the rules? There's something about Mary, right? There's lots of things about Mary. But this particular episode, did she not look like There's lots of things about Mary. But this particular episode, did she not look like she was a superhero going underneath that mud puddle that she had to get herself through?

I'm like, how did she just do that? It did not seem humanly possible. And she does everything. When she's doing these challenges, the look on her face is just so much like, Hmm, yeah, but like, not she's not celebrating for herself. She's like, of course, I just did that. And I love this about Mary, because you would never expect it. But it's so impressive. So I just I had to give her that that bit of props there because that just didn't seem human. It did not seem human. She was just gliding. It was amazing. Absolutely amazing.

I have worried for years and years of wanting to be on tour because I am I cannot see I'm like negative seven, seven and a half context prescription. So I cannot see like three inches in front of my face. And I always had these panic thoughts of like, what am I going to do in these challenges? And I have never one time until today or till when I watched the episode, and Mary turned upside down to keep her face out of the mud. I'm like, you would think I would have thought of that. So that was to keep her face out of the mud, first and foremost, and then to fly through like a superhero.

Like you said, it was really great. Plus, Mary is just freaking hilarious. I want to meet Mary in real life. I want to be friends with her. Do I think she's going to win this game? No, no, I do not. But do I think that she is a good survivor player? Yeah, she's doing great.

But she is hilarious. I love every second of Mary on our screen and the the kind of almost side by side edit of say being like, I'm so excited to be back with Mary and Mary like, I'm sick to my stomach. To be back with say that was just a really funny moment. Probably not so much at home for say, but it was perfect editing. Agreed. That was fantastic. That was perfect editing. Agreed, that was fantastic. That was so good.

All right, well, there were of course other things going on and I'll be putting some of it in my YouTube shorts at David Bloomberg TV. But before we still get to how charity did, we did want to mention as always that the rules we're about to discuss come in a shorter and much more colorful version as a poster.

So you can go to robhezwebsite.com slash yxlostfeed, scroll down to the poster and click on it and then order it. And then our shipping department, otherwise known as Jessica, will get it right out to you. You can also keep on scrolling and get the poster on a t-shirt

and the checklist of the rules on a t-shirt. And so again, you can get all of those at robhaswebsite.com slash yxlostfeed. Bye at all. Get your merch everybody, get your merch. That's right. That's right. Well, lots of people predicted Charity would go in this merge episode.

We weren't the only ones. What was it that stood out to us? And more importantly, to her fellow players as being a problem? Why did she think she was doing so well only to have the rug pulled out from under her? At RHAP, we know Survivor, and we know why Charity lost. The first and most important rule is to scheme and plot, and Charity clearly understood this. As just one example, in this episode, kind of similar to something you said, Jessica, she said, I wouldn't act like this in the real world, but this is a game, so it's okay

to be sneaky. And she's exactly right. Now, there could sometimes be a problem with that. We'll get to that in a few minutes. For now, suffice it to say, she knew she needed to play. And from the beginning, she felt like she was on the bottom. Which she was. Unfortunately for her, that caused her to make an early move that wasn't great, where she told Camilla the two of them were on the outs and they should work together, which caused Camilla to memorably throw her right under the bus and form a new anti-charity alliance. Charity acknowledged in her interviews that it was a mistake on her part and a good game move for Camilla.

knowledge in her interviews that it was a mistake on her part and a good game move for Camilla. What I think is fascinating is Camilla loved charity pregame. If you go back and look at some of the things that Camilla said, she was all about charity. So I thought, oh, look, this is lovely. They're both going to be on the same tribe. They'll connect. They'll get together. But Camilla had other plans, I guess, once the game started and she saw like some, there was a little bit of blood in the water. So she was like, all right, we're gonna, we're gonna make sure that we, we keep the focus over there then.

So I do applaud Camilla for realizing quickly because you would think this is a good move, right? If you think that maybe someone else is on the outs and you want to bring someone in, you have, you have something to connect with like, oh, I think the two of us should work together. Maybe the approach that she attempted was the wrong approach. Maybe not explain to Camilla, we're both on the bottom. Maybe just go to Camilla and go, hey, you want to work together? Perhaps the outcome would have been different. But I do think that maybe that was the wrong direction to send that message because obviously Camilla was like,

oh, okay, I see. We'll make sure you're on the bottom and not me. Great move if that's what on Camilla's part, plus she's one of my favorite players of the Survivor new era to be, I just love the way she's playing this game, but this is about how, you know, charity didn't do so well with it.

And remind me about, I was trying to think about this before I hopped on, about how, you know, charity didn't do so well with it. And remind me about I was trying to think about this before I hopped on, like the two that obviously Camilla and Kyle, but that's they were under the radar there. But if we would have put the original SEVA, right, they receive original SEVA tribe in how they were pairing off. I thought it was more Mitch and Char were, were the two, right. And then Camilla and Kyle and David and Chrissy, is that how you all remember it as well, those two, two pairs?

Okay. Yeah. Although I do think Mitch Mitch was interesting in that everybody loves Mitch except from a strategy standpoint, we heard from a few others like David, I think, saying, I don't like charity, therefore I have to be wary of Mitch. And it's interesting,

because there's one thing here that's a little bit up in the air, because we heard on the show that charity didn't talk to many people, other than Mitch, who she had that immediate bond. And in episode three, she said on the show, it's exciting to start playing the game, which led me to yell at my TV and on blue sky and other places, start, start, it's day six, I mean, start. But then when I posted a video on top of that, Mitch commented on it on Instagram to say

they had been playing since day one. So we have this contradictory information. My suspicion is that we had a situation with people on different sides viewing things through a different lens, which is going to be a running theme through this podcast. Certainly Charity was playing the game in terms of talking to Mitch a lot. But there could have been a split in terms of them, or at least her, playing the game with each other, but not so much with the rest of the tribe. And as I told Mitch in response to what he said, we had charity saying it on

TV that she was just starting to play. That's kind of what we've got to go with. Yeah. And I do think that if you feel like you're in a comfortable spot, which Siva probably felt very comfortable since they were winning and maybe in charity's mind and they had David. So milk does a body good. Right. She's saying. But so likely she was probably. I would I would hope focusing more on that. Like, oh, you know, now we have to

start playing because they just been winning. And so if you don't have to go to tribal, but we've talked about this quite a bit. Even if you're not going to tribal, you know, at some point, you'll probably be going to tribal. And so there should be a plan. There should be some scheming and plotting happening and not just with one other person, you need to build those numbers. And when you're on a tribe of six, it's a terrible amount of people to start a

tribe with, and it does not do you well as far as numbers are concerned because it's really such a small group of people. And if you only have one, then you're not going to be in the majority at all. So I do think that in maybe charity's mind, she thought, well, playing means not winning and we're winning. So then we're not playing maybe. Yeah, that's what you would think, especially if nobody's coming to you with their plans means not winning and we're winning. So then we're not playing maybe. Yeah, that's what you would think, especially if nobody's coming to you

with their plans to scheme and plot. You're gonna really be thinking that I don't wanna overplay because if no one else is coming to you, and that's where I have some sympathy maybe or empathy is like, if no one is coming to you, if you are the one on the out socially and you don't know it and you are reading that as no one is scheming and plotting, if you miss that first read, then you're scheming and plotting

plans are not going to be in the right direction. For people listening who play and I love both of your take on this. Until you go to tribal, the bonds that are created are going to get tighter and tighter and tighter and tighter. Like the braid of the alliances, especially in a six, if you don't go to tribal, it's not like, oh, now the three of us, we weren't working with David, but now we're going to start working with David. I get the sense that I meant giant David, not our lovely Bloomberg. You're still in our alliance. All right. I mean, the other David, he's out. But I get the sense until the tribal comes up, the bonds that are happening are going to get tighter and tighter and tighter. And then the opportunity for change happens at tribal.

So if you don't notice that pacing of people getting closer and closer, you are being left out. That would be a sign. I would think that you're not involved in the scheming and plotting. It is happening and it's getting more and more as time goes on until the next tribal. Yeah. Yeah, we've said that before. I actually have a, a video clip to post at some point where we were talking about it. And it's, you know, if, if people,

if you believe people are not scheming and plotting, it just means they aren't scheming and plotting with you. And you know, that kind of leads into what you were saying about people not coming up to her leads into what she said in this tribal council, because she mentioned, well, there are a lot of people here and not everyone came up to me. Yeah.

And then Eva, a few minutes later, contrasted this with herself and said, well, I didn't wait for people to approach me. She went to all the other people. contrasted this with herself and said, well, I didn't wait for people to approach me. You know, she went to all the other people. Yeah. So I have to wonder if this is a trend in the way charity played, you know, in in defending herself against the accusation that she was playing too hard, which we'll get to in a minute. She told Dalton Ross that she didn't think she was and said, I pulled back so hard

on who my true self is in the form of 100 miles per hour to nothing. I pulled back on that. And I suspect that the pulling back is the problem here, the heart of the problem. She didn't want to be too forward or something, but ended up being too withdrawn instead. If you're not going to see the plot, you can't overlay with being bossy. Like if you're going to be in the be bossy. And I know that's not a word we should use it about with men and women. But I just say with the way she came across is like she still was

what we saw, I think was pretty forward and direct. And so like if you want to be the sweet person who like goes about not scheming and plotting, then probably personality wise that needs to match up of not asking. Yes, you're going to be direct and like cutting and just and that's her personality and that's fine. But it doesn't match up that someone who's that direct and I wish I would have thought of a different word than bossy and you're not scheming and plotting that was a total mismatch I think in what I saw with her scheming and plotting personality clash. And I think that that's that's a great point and I really do think that that

probably then rubbed some people the wrong way because they're not realizing that perhaps she's pulling back this part of her, but she's still continuing to have that demeanor. And so they might be thinking, oh, well, that she doesn't want to necessarily, I'm thinking like high school, like she doesn't want to be my friend, you know, because she's, she's too busy with her own thing. And so, okay, we're not going to be playing this game together necessarily. And that is a really unfortunate position to put yourself in when you're playing Survivor because you don't want to be seen in this way and you don't want to be dismissed as

a potential ally by someone. But if that's what you are showing to everyone and they're not understanding that that's not what you're trying to be, but that's what you're being. Perception is reality when you play Survivor and this is what we've said time and time again. So you need to be very cognizant of yourself and how you will be perceived because it can definitely be detrimental

to those relationships that you need to create while you're out there. Don't be stealing lines for my conclusion there, Jessica. Oh, I'm so sorry. Look at me with my predictions, my predictions. I'm even predicting what you're going to say. That's right. I'm so on today. You are.

Yeah. Now, we can move to the second rule, which says not to scheme and plot too much and to keep your scheming secret. Now, we just discussed how in some cases she didn't scheme and plot enough or well, and it looks like she missed possible opportunities. Yet at the same time, this rule is a big part of the reason people talked about going after her. Even though she felt like she had pulled back, as I just mentioned, she also was still throwing out ideas even at the start.

And maybe that's what you meant, Kellan, about being more direct in that way. She was the only one to question, how did Kyle lose the supply challenge to a guy with only one good arm? And plus she'd never heard of there being a glass container in Survivor before. So, you know, she thought that part of her story, his story sounded off. And she told Dalton Ross, I'm not saying he's lying. I just want to make sure that we're following through on all the avenues.

Except come on, that is suggesting he's lying. It's like saying, Sure, maybe your husband is always working late and has his location turned off on his phone and comes home smelling of perfume. But that doesn't mean he's lying. Yeah, that's exactly what you're suggesting. And, you know, she acknowledged in her interviews that it immediately put a target on her back. That's quite the analogy.

If you're going to come across out loud that you're directing and doing these things, but then like it's like you can be meek on the outside and scheme quietly, but you cannot be boisterous on the outside and then not be scheming at all. Is that they're going to fill in the blanks with what she was doing out late at night when they're not there and what it smells like and what she would, you know, she's giving that kind of vibe. So if she actually was late at work, working late every night,

maybe she should have just left her location on. I think that's where she went in the wrong direction here. Yeah, now in her original tribe, Charity said she probably would have been voted out if they'd gone to tribal council. And David told us at the time, nobody trusts Charity. Obviously Mitch did, but David said no. And he said the same thing to Eva when they swapped, adding that Charity played way too

hard. Because of that, when they got swapped together, I figured if that tribe ever lost, she'd be gone there too. But she made it through until now because her tribe never had to make a decision. But it was always kind of out there, hanging in the air. Yeah, and I think this was such an interesting conclusion

to this particular episode because the two people that ended up being considered were the two that have been looming for quite some time. But the difference that we've seen is Say has continued to be saved because there are components of her game that make her trustworthy to those particular people that she's being loyal to. And so it was fascinating to see in this particular decision that there were still people continuing or willing to say, Say is who we want to get behind and keep here. We don't feel the same way about charity. She was really missing anyone in her corner besides maybe Mitch,

whereas Say seems to have more pull in that regard. So I thought it was a very fascinating thing to watch when you're up against someone who's been voted out or voted for quite a bit and you're the one that goes home the first time the votes come out against you. Yeah, now of course, once they hit this point at Merge, her name already being out there, obviously wasn't good for her.

I don't think she had any inkling about it. So she just pushed onward with Shaheen saying at one point, she's playing real loud over the top. And then she made things worse by telling people they should target Eva and going so far as to tell Star she should try to get the idol back. And yes, Kellen, for those of you just listening, Kellen just face palmed and I agree. The first part drew attention.

The second part was just crazy talk. Now even for just targeting Eva, she told Dalton Ross, it kind of felt like everybody understood that and would want to do that. But because of Eva getting to share her story, I think a lot of people were just scared to do that, to look bad when there was a very real moment that transcended the game. And then she also said they were all playing the game and didn't think they should treat Eva differently because of that. And she listed all these different reasons,

which were valid from a purely objective point of view. But she needed to pull herself back a bit and see how the others were viewing the situation. Basically, charity should have known what the reaction would be. I predicted it last week. I mentioned that while even Joe, that was a huge emotional moment and great on a human level, it would also impact the way other players

think about them. And everyone would realize they need to split them up. But I said people are going to give it a minute for that moment to fade a bit. So they're not immediately eviscerated on social media. And yes, in theory, it shouldn't matter. But it does. And charity should have known it would matter to people. Yeah, I don't really buy.

I saw that, like the tweet that Dalton wrote, like she says no one would be willing to vote her out. And that's why they wouldn't. And it's like, well, that might be to are like reverse the rear view mirror noticing, because if she knew at the time of playing the game that no one was going to vote her out, then she should have known better and she would have known better to pick up on that and not be against it. So I feel like maybe that's a little bit hindsight is 2020 for her of saying like, Oh, that's why nobody, of course, that's why nobody went with me. But if it were the case that she had sorted, no one's going to go with me.

She should have done that before and picked a different target. Certainly. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I mean, another thing that other people have pointed out is that, you know, it's not just that Eva did have a number of allies at that point, so easy to, you know, for word to get back to her. I mean, the minute that she mentioned it to, to star star ran back to Eva and,

Star ran back to Eva and told her. So people knew. But I do think that, you know, had people really wanted to get Eva out of there, had there been this big majority, sure, it could have happened. But you have to consider how everybody else is thinking. And then there was another instance of her not reading the room when she decided to switch to targeting say. And one of the first people that we saw her bring it up to was Cedric asking if he was close to her.

Now, this seems like a really bad idea, considering that Cedric had been with say the entire game, and he had so many opportunities to get rid of her if he really wanted to. Yeah. Now, for his part, he played it off nicely by saying, well, I voted for her twice and she doesn't trust me. We'll get to it later. I think it was a misdirection on his part.

But aside from that, Charity also said, Say probably doesn't trust anybody. When she said that to Cedric, which immediately struck me as odd because she doesn't know, say at all. How can she judge what say is thinking? Mm hmm. Yeah, I do think that there is a whole lot of misreads going on with the decisions that she's making, because it's almost like she had this idea of like, if I project these things onto people, then they will suddenly adopt my ideas without necessarily

considering that person's perspective as well. Like you have to know your audience and if you are coming to them with information, it's almost better to try to receive a little bit before you just start giving. And I feel like that's what she suffered from the most was, I wanna tell you my ideas first, without necessarily pausing to just learn where they were like in their head space and what was going on.

She knew nothing about say, knew hardly anything about Cedric and she's immediately coming to Cedric with, well, do you do you trust her? Do you end as opposed to like just trying to converse and just learn some information and kind of read the room before you start immediately throwing someone under the bus? Now, I agree a thousand percent. Those are not the kind of questions that you should be throwing out at the merge.

Do you trust the people you've been working with for that? How about more if you feel like you don't know saying, Whoa, you know what I knew? I mean, to me, the easy play here and maybe I'm wrong is, hey, I'm Siva six. I know that I am the sixth person that is in the group out of the group. I am a free number. You guys are behind. I've heard they're trying to pitch to me that they want to keep all six of us together. I'm not interested in that. No one has included me in anything. Please take me in. Please tell me what's going on. I've been left out this whole time and that would have, you know, checked out. That's

what the rest of her tribe is probably starting. The people who are open to it are starting to say that. So I think always stepping back on your heels at the merge. And if you do not understand and feel really tight with your group, jump ship as early as possible. Yeah, I think it goes back to what you were saying, you know, that she was kind of trying to direct things, even though she didn't have the power to direct or the information. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, rule three

tells players to be flexible. Kellen, how do you think charity did in this rule? That may be the answer right there. I can't. I put the heavy head tilt. I know it's one of those things where I know we can only say it so many times, but we're just judging the edit or not judging the person. And from the edit, it just looks like there was zero flexibility, malleability, immersion. Like there was just not a whole lot of leaning

into being humble or asking about what's going on or seeing her space. And so I saw a lot very much to nothing as far as the evidence around flexibility. But please tell me where I'm wrong and where did I miss? I don't think you were wrong. I don't think you miss much. I don't feel like she showed much flexibility either.

I mean, part of it is there wasn't a whole lot of opportunity. This was her first vote. But besides that, this rule notes that you need to have kind of like you said, tell and you need to have your finger on the pulse of the tribe. You need to know what's going on around you and your position. And she acknowledged she didn't really realize where she stood in her original tribe or the Merge tribe until moments before they went to tribal council.

Yeah. And you know, that's when she got a vibe from Kyle and maybe a couple others. And yes, she did change her push from Eva to say when she realized she wasn't getting anywhere on the Eva front. But it sounded like that was pretty obvious. And we already discussed she should have known it was a bad idea before even saying it. And so I again, you know, kind of to repeat myself a bit, I just think she wasn't great at reading the room and adjusting accordingly. Yeah, I agree. All right. Well, the fourth world tells players not to let their emotions control them.

Jessica, what did you think of charity for this one? Well, it's a little bit of a struggle on this as well, because. I like I, I think she got very caught up in wanting to be friends, and I think that's what she might have thought that Survivor was going to ultimately boil down to. One of the things that she said was about Mitch, which is I think it's lovely that she developed such a bond with Mitch, but that she would have taken Mitch to the end knowing he was going to win because she just thought the world of him and he was the greatest person ever. And that is incredibly sweet. But that's not how you play Survivor. You don't you don't play because you're like, Oh, I really I love this person so much.

And I'll let them win. Honesty, loyalty and integrity. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. So I so I just I feel like there was a component to this that she was definitely missing when it came to how to balance your emotions with playing a game of Survivor and keeping yourself in check. Because if there was one thing that we kept hearing was people didn't think they could trust Charity

and they thought that she was doing things behind people's back and she was like, I don't know what you're talking about, that's not what I didn't do any of that. Show me those clips. That was one thing she kept saying, show me those clips. But clearly there had to be something that people were feeling and responding to. And I feel like that comes from an emotional place and that's the way you're making people feel.

It might not be what you're saying, but it's how you're making people feel. So I think in this regard, she didn't do a great job keeping that emotional component of her game in check. Yeah, I mean, I. I don't know that I. Until you just mentioned the Mitch thing, I was going to say I didn't see any indication she was acting emotionally, but

reminding me of that. Yeah, there was. That's a big blinding light there, but I think another aspect. Which is related to what you were saying is she needed to recognize that other players might consider emotion in the equation. Yes, a player, a good player should separate their emotions from their gameplay decision. But not everyone is going to play that way. And so, like, when it came to the Eva decision, some people did include emotions in that, and she needed to recognize that just because she wasn't doesn't mean no one else was. And so she was doing it right, but she wasn't thinking about what the other people were doing in that regard.

So I guess we could move to the fifth rule, which also does play somewhat Jessica into what you were saying. It reminds players they need to pretend to be nice and play the social game. And charity in this episode said you have to be likable enough on survivor, which is true. be likable enough on Survivor, which is true. But not to be rude, why is she likable enough? Um, you know, it's an interesting one for charity because once again, we have her view on things, which doesn't match the view from other people who were there with her and you know, to consider the

social game, we have to consider what others thought about her as being the most important aspect here. And the main issue comes down to Eva and maybe one or two others, I can't remember for sure. When they said she appears to be fake. Now, charity told Mike Bloom, she was shocked. She's never been accused of that before. And every interaction she had was authentic and genuine. And specifically dealing with the situation this week, when Eva called her fake, I think we need to put it in context. Because I'm not sure that Charity fully did put it in context. Charity had tried to convince star to get the idol back from Eva star

runs and tells Eva. That was when we saw Eva in confessional saying that girl is extremely fake. And I know she's out for me. And yeah, I could totally understand that because their previous interactions had been like charity being kind to Eva, but now charity was trying to undercut her. Of course that would make it seem like she had been like Charity being kind to Eva. But now Charity was trying to undercut her. Of course that would make it seem like she had been fake. Yeah. I do think that the word in this context and the way that you just explained, it makes sense, right? It's, there is,

there is something that can be very hurtful to hear all this person is so fake, but in the game of survivor, I think fake has a different type of connotation when you say that about someone, because it really is like, oh, well, they're just, if she is, well, she's lying to my face. Well, then you're still being fake, right? Because you're lying to someone's face.

But again, that's what you do when you play survivor, is you end up having to lie to people and you do need to fake it till you make it sometimes, right? And so unfortunately, I think that the way that she viewed that word was not necessarily the way that it was being presented by Eve at the time that she was saying it. I think it's one thing that really stuck out and it was interesting, David, you had the same thing. Jessica, when you said, oh, well, she said she was going to take Mitch. I was like, wait, what?

I had no memory of the fact that she said that. It doesn't register with like how I was, I feel about charity, the edit of charity. And so there is this disconnect clearly between is this disconnect clearly between the way she comes across and maybe some of her beliefs and what she feels on the inside, because the fact that both David and I, when you reminded us of that, both of us, I think we're like, oh, wait, yeah. Oh, she said that. Oh, yeah. She said that. And I frankly don't know what. Advice to give or how do you play that differently

if you are a person who is just not read in a certain way. Quickly, when we started talking about, like when we started chatting the first night, we're all by the fire and everyone's talking about who they were, people were like, oh my gosh, who am I talking about? I've been divorced, talking about partying, all this stuff. And everyone was like, what?

We thought you were like, somebody thought I was a missionary, somebody thought I was a kindergarten teacher, somebody thought I was like a church mouse lady, a church lady, like all of these things. And so once I started talking at camp, everyone was like, Oh, my God. Like, that is not who I thought you were.

Now, that worked, I think, in my favor, because first impressions are so important that people were thinking for some reason at Ponderosa that I was a church lady. OK, cool. Kindergarten teacher. That puts me at this like footing where the way they read me was soft. And then maybe I was a little bit more boisterous and more out there than what they thought. And that was a disconnect, but it didn't necessarily work against me. I think it actually worked towards me and I was able to work through

that. But when, if it is the case that charity was out there to have a lovely time, was connecting with Mitch, was going to play this social game, and she is just completely missing the bullseye, I am terrified of ever playing a game when that would be me, to like totally miss the mark that people are reading me wrong. Everyone thinks I'm a jerk and everyone thinks I'm so fake when really I'm out here. I'm going to take Mitch because I love him and he's my best friend. I still don't believe that. Like I do not believe that she was out there with a warm heart,

even though you're giving me this evidence, reminding me of this evidence, Jessica. And I don't know if either of you think that's just how she comes across or was she lie? I mean, was that inauthentic? My gut instinct is it was an authentic and that's what everyone can pick up on. And especially Eva talking about, you know, her experience there is like what you're saying. And I think Eva has talked about how she has to really pay attention because natural reading people is that I think she said herself, not as natural maybe or something. And she is saying like, something is not right. I'm trying really

hard to look at this person and see what she's saying and it's not settling well. So along about way of saying you're kind of darned if you do, I don't know if we're allowed to curse here, but darned if you do, okay, damn's okay. Damned if you do, damned if you don't know if we're allowed to curse here, but darned if you don't. OK, damn's OK. Damned if you do. Damned if you don't with how charity got off on the wrong foot. And so I want to give her that benefit out if that's the case. But man, with the edit, she does not read as genuine. So much so that David and I are like, did she say anything? Because I don't think so.

So I was stunned when she said it. I was stunned. I thought, wait, what? OK, what are you talking about? Yeah. And I think this plays into the read is that some people had as being fake because she told Dalton Ross there's not a single clip to back it up. And that's something Jessica, you had referenced. I'm not sure how there would be a clip of someone being fake because it's all about how other people interpret the way she's acting.

The thing is, Kellen, much like you, as I was watching, I felt much the same thing as even as Eva. Charity did seem like she was acting fake to me. I know, of course, we get the television product, but still there were times when it just hit me that way. And such as when she was going on about how annoying Say was and calling her a sore loser. It seemed inauthentic. It seemed stage. Was it? I don't know. I still don't know. I'll take her word for it that it was an honest opinion, but it seemed to me fake and I could understand

how others out there would have felt similarly. Mm, yeah. Now, one thing she also told Dalton was she loves people and her entire career is flying hundreds and thousands of people around in a day. And she added, she's a very genuine person. And I wonder if that's a part of it. Her job is to be as cheerful as possible most of the time,

dealing with all sorts of people, some of whom are not at all cheerful and not at all nice to her. It may be that she just doesn't even realize that she could come off as fake, that she has this face that she puts on and doesn't even know it. It's become part of her almost just, you know, just as anyone with that type of job might have that under stressful circumstances, which survivors certainly is.

But on the flip side, watching her in the interviews, I didn't get that impression. She seemed much more, quote unquote, real. I can't explain it other than to say in certain scenes on the show, she seemed fake to me. But when she was doing her interviews, she seemed more vibrant. She seemed more genuine. And so yeah, in real life, I could totally understand why she would be offended by that accusation. I can only say what I felt when watching, which coincides with what some of the players saw as well. Well, and listen, she's equating herself to a pilot. She wasn't a pilot. She's not flying those people around.

I'm just saying. Maybe she she seems a little bit confused about who she actually is. I mean, you know, she's taking care of these people. I give her that. I mean, my goodness. But when she was like, I'm flying thousands of people. No, you're not. You're not flying that plane, honey. I'm sorry. But there's a fair note of disconnect here pointed out by Jessica.

But it is it is a great point of like if her when she turns on, you know, we all have our personality when we're eating chips on the couch and then we have our personality when we are showing up here for a podcast perhaps or, you know, getting and maybe like you said, literally over and over again, hundreds of thousands of people have having to thank goodness for flight attendants, but pretend like you like and care about people who are just being jerks to you and like taking their shoes off

and doing gross disgusting things and dealing with people. So that's such a good call out and such a space to give her grace that her day in and day out job is to be that, oh, welcome to South Airlines and that. She couldn't turn that off. And to find out that in the interview, she was more her relaxed self. Maybe it was nerves.

Maybe that is her default when things get uncomfortable to put a little bit of that face on. So interesting insight. Well, thank you. The sixth rule we could go on to warns against being too much of a threat. Kellan, how do you think Charity did here? I think it's an interesting thing as the audience because we can say, well, she wasn't really she wasn't able to pull in numbers. She wasn't able to do much, quote unquote. but it was clear that her perception was that she was a threat.

So being perceived as too much of a threat. Also, I have to give another really bad score here for poor charity. Yeah, I think I don't think she was a threat herself. Other than of course, to Eva and say, which then that spread out to other people. But even aside from that, her continuing to be there could make Siva as a whole appear to be a threat as a group. As Shaheen said, he didn't want to give them an opportunity to stay sick strong if they actually were.

So even if she wasn't the most threatening of the SEVA, she was the one who was easiest to remove at this point of the game. SEVA could sacrifice her. I mean, not that they did, most of them didn't end up voting for her. But if anyone was going to be sacrificed, put her up there on the chopping block and they're like, oh, look, we're not six anymore. You don't have to worry about us. Yeah.

No, I think that makes appropriate sense considering the circumstances for sure. All right. Well the seventh rule covers idols and advantages and game mechanics. And I think the only thing we saw on the show regarding Charity here was her trying to get Star to get the idol back from Eva, which we've already discussed. But it turns out there was a little bit more to the story of the idol. One thing we didn't see, but which Charity talked about in her interviews was that shortly after hitting the swap camp, Star told her about the beware advantage and gave it

to her to try to solve. And Charity just held on to it and figured, quite frankly, much like some of the people on Star's original tribe, figured that if they went to tribal council, she could tell everyone else that Star had been hiding this and didn't have a vote. And, you know, oh, boom, that would be an easy decision to get rid of Star. As much as that's kind of evil, I agree with the plan. I think it's a good plan. It's just they never ended up going to tribal council. So she never had to go through with it. I do like that evil.

Don't you do a good evil laugh? I feel like you do. I don't think Charity has that laugh in her. I don't think so. But at least she was kind of working through the possibility of using that to her advantage. So we do have to give her credit there. When I'm curious though, if she wanted her, if she, well, if it was given to her with the idea that she could try to solve it, did Star also give her all of the letters or did

they go, because that's where it gets a little bit confusing. All of the what? The letters that she wanted to be. No, Star hadn't figured out the letters. Oh, so there was not even some like. That was why I think there was a scene at some point, or maybe Thomas said in an interview or something, they thought that they or Star thought the L was a V.

Okay. And so that was throwing them off. Do you think that there is a possibility that the merge beach became whatever the purple is, the loggy beach, because she wouldn't have been able to solve that without the letters that you only would have gotten from the loggy beach. No, because I think all of the beaches had the same symbols and letters around.

It's just that the clues had them each use it differently. I think it was very clever on the designers from Survivor to do it that way. Okay, so she would have been able to do it on another beach. All right, I just wanted to get that thing in the clarification. She would have had to go around and figure out, okay, where are the, you know, where is each animal? Where is this?

Where is that? But it was actually solved on the swap beach anyway. So that was random. Oh, okay. All right. Okay, so that answers that. Thank you. So Kellan, I didn't know if you had anything to add there before we went on to appendix A.

I don't think so. I think you guys did a great job of covering that. All right. Well, appendix A discusses players keeping their end goals in mind when voting. And we talk about voting out the weak, then the strong, then the weak, then the strong. And yet again, we have a situation where that was determined completely by alliances, not challenge abilities. And in this case, it came down to two people who were viewed as being weak in the area of alliances, at least as far as most other players were concerned. We saw a lot of different people discussing charity and say.

Sometimes the same people talking about voting off both of them, depending on who they were talking to and at what time the conversation was being held. You know, partially just because of the way things ebbed and flowed. It ended up at the result we expected. But I never would have guessed the way the votes fell out. The Siva tribe split their votes. When I say Siva tribe, the original Siva tribe, Joe voted against charity while Eva and Shaheen voted against Charity while Eva and Shaheen voted against Sey.

Mary told us she was a lot more worried about Sey than Charity, but then voted Charity and so on. There was clearly a lot going on here. Oh, clearly. I didn't know if you had more to throw in with the, there was clearly a lot going on going on and and I do think that the It was interesting the Cedric vote. I thought was the most fascinating component when the votes were coming out I was like Cedric who voted for Cedric. Oh, you knew who it was. I Have on that one. Yeah

I was completely out of it or you think well, okay,. Yeah. All right. I just thought that was completely out of it. Or you think? Well, okay, we could jump to that. I do think. No, that's fine. I think my immediate reaction was it was a shot across the bow at him. And then I thought more about it and what had happened after the last tribal council. And I think they're pretending to be at each other's throats rather than tight. I think that they're kind of taking a tika three type of situation. They're pretending

to be arguing. And that's also why Cedric told Charity, oh yeah, she doesn't trust me. And the thing is, the two of them and Mary had discussed that just before the swap. They had said, if we go in, we can tell them, oh, you know, we had these rough tribal councils and, and, you know, we're, we don't like each other very much. But then after I thought that, Sey posted on Instagram saying, yeah, I was just being petty. So I'm really not sure what to believe now because say is say, and she's usually quite honest and straightforward.

I don't think she's trying to mislead us on Instagram there. I do think that I'm still right about them pretending. But I think to her, she was like, oh, not only do I get to pretend I get to cast this vote against him, you know, so I'm being petty here. Well, you're giving her a lot more credit than I would be in this in this in this case. I mean, we'll we'll see eventually. Probably left out of the vote. And then she just threw the vote for Cedric. That would be my I'd put my money there.

I don't think she was left out of the vote, because if she was, she would have voted Eva, who she had been talking about. And I think she knew Charity was up there, too, just from other discussions. But don't you think she would have thought for like just a second that, wait a second, if if charity is a potential vote, who's the other person that people might be voting for? Well, it's probably going to be me.

And then you're you're throwing your vote on some random individual that you know is not going to get any other votes because you want to be petty. I don't buy that. Well, that's the thing. It was a risk for her to do that. Yeah. So one of two things, she was 100% out of the loop. But even doing that, like you said, there's no reason you would vote Cedric if you're 100% out of the loop. Yeah. The other choice is you're just throwing a vote because you're petty. Yeah. And that's what

she said. I feel like we're on the traitors here. We are. I mean, just the obvious thing, because who would she? Who would have gone to say with the real plan? I think Cedric would have. Oh, this will be fun to see play out. I would say absolutely not.

So we are at odds here. It's just, I'm gonna break the tie on the. Cedric has caused a lot of ruckus this entire season. And every episode, it's like we get a new like, oh, this is what Cedric must've been doing. And then afterwards we're like, oh no, that's not what he was doing. So it's quite possible that Cedric was like, listen,

this is what the plan is. And then she was like, I'm now I'm going to be petty. Who knows? It's possible. I mean, the other possibility is she was very sure of how the votes were going. And so she knew that throwing away her vote didn't matter. And that's the thing. Some people, I know some people have suggested there was a vote split at work. And, you know, Rob and Christian Hubecky discussed that. It's possible. But to do a vote split, you generally need to know where every vote is going. And in this case, I'm not even sure who they would be that was organizing it.

Like, how do you organize 11 different people to vote like that? It. I guess it's possible in the connections between everyone. Like if you'd almost need a scorecard, like, OK, let's see here. I'm Eva and I'm connected with Joe and I'm connected with David. And they're going to vote this way. They told me so we need to get this person over here and Shaheen over here and Kyle is going to do this and Camilla is going to do that. And then eventually you have this diagram written in the sand or something like that of where it's all going. Or they just agreed,

it's going to be one of the two, vote however you want. That's what I feel like ultimately this was because it really didn't make any sense when you go back and start looking at the relationships and the different decisions and the people that are involved and where everyone finally landed. I think it really just finally turned into, well, it's one of these two and we'll see what happens,

which makes Say's decision so much crazier because like if the numbers are not concrete enough for you to just toss your vote and I'm going to be petty and vote over here. Boy, I mean, it's a seven five and that's just that those numbers are just I mean, not comfortable. The other possibility on the complete flip side of what I was saying Not comfortable. The other possibility on the complete flip side of what I was saying is that she believed she was doomed and therefore it didn't matter what she did with her vote. And so to be petty, she threw it at Cedric to be like, okay, I'm going to throw one at you because you know, that's possible too.

That is my, that would be my second choice of following up. Okay. She had no clue. She had a clue and she thought it was her. And then my third bet here, my third money is going to go on this. She and Cedric is not purpose. I mean, I yeah, I don't know that Cedric would want her voting for him on purpose. But and I will say one part of my idea of the secret partnership that doesn't square is Mary because of what she said in her confessional about wanting to do wanting nothing to do

with the original Vula. But again, in the end, she didn't vote against say she could have and she didn't. And so no matter what it was that she said, you know, I'm more worried about the snake than the turtle and I want to scrub all this green off of me and everything. And then she didn't vote this way. So I don't know, it'll be interesting to hear what happens in the aftermath and see where it goes from here. And, you know,

when we get interviews, what happens? I do think, I still think Cedric and Say are working together. I think they're working as a secret duo, maybe with Mary, maybe not. But I also think Cedric is willing to cut her if need be. Hmm. Interesting. I, you know, I do think that it's, it's almost a safety to have say around, right? Because she's the one everyone keeps talking about. She's the one that everyone keeps going back towards and looking at. And I think she even said in the preview, something about they just can't get enough of me. They just all love me or something. You know, she, she realizes that she is the kind of the center of the universe

here in, in survivor. And so perhaps there's also this mindset of what we can get to say later, which I am not a proponent of we've talked about this. Those are the people who end up making it to the final three are the ones that everyone's like, oh, we're gonna get back to them. That's an easy vote. We can, everyone can agree on that at some point. Let's get the more difficult ones out of the way first.

And then all of a sudden you're like, wait, what happened? Why is this person still here? And I feel like that's what we're getting with Say is that she is the center of so much of this chaos and discussion and things happening at camp. But she keeps making it through these travels. It would be interesting if she could pull together the likeability factor at the end to win the money though I think there's a chance she could make it to the end but I

don't think that there's I don't see a person on here who she beats at the end with the people who that these are the people who are going to make up the jury. And so I wonder if she I it's really interesting because we've been shown a very strategic player in a sense. And and I enjoyed that edit of her because I don't get the sound of the perception of her is that she's a smart strategic player.

I get the sense of the perception of her is that she is an overplaying, that she's over scheming and plotting too much, that she's too much of an obvious threat, all these things. So, but you're right. Sometimes you just, they just kick the can down the road and they do that. As far as the, the boat split, the The reason the kind of biggest evidence I see here for the fact that there was an organized vote split is that Joe and Eva voted separately. And I can only imagine the two of them voting opposite of each other with an intentional vote split, because I cannot imagine a world

in which they did not discuss who they were voting for, that they were telling the truth about that and that there wasn't a plan. I cannot see Joe and Eva sitting and being like, well, I'm voting for this one. I'm voting for this one and just have that not work out. So although I have rewritten, I don't know, I have rewritten the votes that I have rewritten and tried to put the lines in connection to who like, OK, is Camilla actually and I think there's a case for this here. Camilla is still working with Chrissy and Mitch as far as communicating and being open and they trust her.

And I was wondering if Camilla is actually the connection between Chrissy and Mitch. I don't get the sense that Kyle has a relationship there that she could be. And I wonder if that is who connected some of the vote split, that she was in charge of the cross communication. So that's my totally out there theory

of how the vote split got was for sure a thing because of the Joe and Eva split. That is a fascinating point. I think that makes it much more plausible. Another thing, as you mentioned, you know, who's connected to who, Eva did say, we mentioned this earlier, in tribal council, she's like,

well, I approached everyone. So she literally said she talked to everyone. Yeah. And if Eva tells you, I know the votes are going this way. I know that you're not going to think she's trying to pull the wool over your eyes because she's Eva. Right. That's so, you know, who knows?

Maybe it was something like that where Eva helped organize it. Eva and Joe, you know, maybe it was the honesty, loyalty, integrity crowd that somehow pulled this together. I know, that's my kind of my theory here a little bit. Maybe it worked for them, I love this idea. This vote, for this vote, yes. All right, well, it is about time to wrap things up. So, Kellan, what are your final thoughts about charity?

Oh, Lord. I'm gonna say my final thoughts about charity are, if you do not have a sense of who is working with whom, and if no one is coming to you about who is working with whom and if no one is coming to you about what is who is working with whom you're in big trouble and the moment of the chance you get to jump ship you need to go to a different ship and have some new friends to try to start to fill you in so i think my final final thoughts are on charity are just all of these things, all of these super smart rules of playing survivor. If you miss the first and most important thing, which is understanding

your place in the tribe, the rest of it all kind of crumbles because you lose any sense of control of being able to act and react if you do not have a sense of where you are on the tribe. So keep going, keep being willing to find a new group of people to work with until you feel like someone is telling you the truth and is coming to you with their plan. If that is not happening, you do not have an alliance. So keep going until someone is coming with you with your plan because you're screwed and going out the door anyway. So I think Charity just totally missed on that that point. And those are my final thoughts. And I feel bad for her in the sense of feeling like she never really got

traction in the game because she didn't have that ability to pick up on where she was. So maybe in a different group of survivors, she would have had a different different luck, but. She missed, she swung and she missed, and it was giving me Chris Noble vibes from my season, which was like, okay, finally he's a tribal. Finally he can go home sort of thing. So I'm afraid that's just charity was potentially Chris Noble in her way. Don't know if she wraps, but I get the sense that that was her fate out there

this time. You've just made him a verb. I love that. Well, the funny thing, so quick side story about Chris Noble. So we were at one of the RHAP events. I don't remember which one. And I think Wendell may have brought him along.

Maybe Dom brought him along. And he of course knows nothing about the world of RHAP. But like, he, you know, they introduced him to me and he's like, oh yeah, great to be you. You know, we took a picture together and then he walked away. I'm like, he has no idea who I was. None whatsoever. He has no idea who most of the people here are, but he was just having a ball.

It was funny, you know, in terms of him trying to fit in, but not, you know, not knowing. That's amazing. Yeah, maybe that's a good tried to fit in, but didn't know a thing or something is how I'd show up here for Chastity, or Charity. Oh no. Oh my goodness.

All right. To be fair, Chastity was the name of a player slash character on the Joe Schmo show, which just aired. So maybe you were watching that and confused her. Maybe. Maybe you were watching that and confused her. Maybe. Yeah. All right.

Here's my two cents about Charity as well. And I will go back to one of these wonderful questions that she was asked pre-game about what her superpower was going to be in the game. And I just love the way that she ended up describing herself. Superpower. I don't want this to sound like, oh I'm just so great because really I'm not. I think I have a level of charisma that makes people comfortable. I love to bring a group together. I'm a

natural born leader. Let's all rally. I will make anybody laugh even to the point where I'm embarrassing myself. Very self-deprecating. That is my personality and I think people feel comfortable with that. On the flip side, my kryptonite, speaking my mind, sometimes my tongue will get me into trouble because I am a no BS person." And I looked at that and went, my gosh, maybe she really does understand entirely like who she is because it's like, we, we, we got both sides there, but we, I don't know if she fully understands how she was putting all of that on display for the people that she was playing this game with.

So she seemed to have a good sense of herself, but I don't think she had a good sense of herself and how other people necessarily perceived her. If there was one thing that I recall from applying to Survivor is they asked us to ask other people, necessarily what their perceptions of us were. I was asking people, how do you perceive me?

How would you describe me? And that was a very, like, cathartic thing to kind of work through and to understand because you have this idea of who you are, but it doesn't matter if that's not how people perceive you, if that's not what they're getting from you. So she's a bit of a conundrum. And, and I do think that we will never truly understand charity the way that she wants us to understand her. She's asking for the clips. She's like, bring the receipts.

I want to see these things. But you said it best, David, when sometimes those can't be shown, right? We talk a lot about how someone's social game is very difficult to necessarily see on the TV. And I feel like it's the same type of thing with charity. We saw a side of charity that she presented to the world much perhaps the same way she does when she is flying planes. So perhaps that's what she is putting out for people to see, but she's not understanding how it makes people feel.

And unfortunately for charity, that is a huge part of this game is how you make people feel matters so much to that person. And that's what decisions can be made about in this game is I just don't really, I'm not jiving with this person. I'm not feeling it. Therefore, I can't trust this person. Therefore, I can't play this game with this person. Therefore, this person has to go home. So unfortunately, we did not get to see Charity in the form that I think she wanted everyone to see her in. And that is my humble opinion as to why Charity lost. All right, well, as much as we and others predicted that Charity would go in this vote, I still think there were some interesting differences in viewpoints between her and the other players, as you just indicated, Jessica.

And I think it was the overall root of the problem. Charity didn't feel like she was playing too hard, either early on or then as the game progressed. But we heard from multiple different people who knew her at multiple different stages of the game that it was exactly what they thought. Charity couldn't believe that people were calling her fake. And yet again, we heard it from people along the way. And as I discussed, I felt it myself.

Plus I heard similar thoughts from some people on social media. Charity thought that she and David were on good terms, but David would have served her up on a platter to be voted out if the swap tribe had to go to tribal council. Many times we have talked on this podcast about perception being reality. Charity's perceptions were that she was doing fine when she was out of her original tribe and that she could even

go back to them at the merge. Charity's perception was that everyone should see what a threat Eva was and they would all think completely objectively about the game and exclude all other influences. Charity's perception was that she had good, genuine relationships with people. But all of these perceptions were different, in at least some ways, from those of others in the game. She was never on good terms with some in her original tribe and swap tribe. People didn't all think like she did when it came to Eva, and they didn't believe she was being genuine. It has to be difficult for her to realize all of this, and I think some of it is

still settling in as she's watching. Though I'm happy that it sounds like she now has pretty good relationships with them all. The problem was that in the moments of the game, she just never had a solid read on where she stood or what other people thought. That led to her making mistakes in her moves, which only further exacerbated the issues that people saw. She was already on the outs, and then she made things worse for herself. And that is why charity lost. There we are. Yes.

All right. Well, before we get to predictions for next episode, I do want to let everyone know that next week, we are happy to have Heidi Lagueres Greenblatt returning as our guest once again. And little did she know when she agreed to do this, that we would have two people to talk about, which we'll get to in a minute here.

Yes, we will. We also want to remind people that the rules we just discussed can be seen and obtained by any of you in a poster form or a poster on a t-shirt form or a checklist on a t-shirt form. So again, go to robhaswebsite.com slash yxlostfeed to find all of that. So, Kellan, where can people reach you if they want to reach out to you to talk to you about anything? Yes. So, well, the old lady way, you can always email me at survivorkellen at gmail.com. I'll send you a letter, you know.

I am most likely to respond and have the ability to respond to email survivorkellen at gmail.com. Also I am on Instagram at the Kellan B, TikTok and Twitter and Blue Sky all at the Kellan B. And my business is called The Out Beyond and you can go to theoutbeyond.com. My new temporary landing page just launched today. So somebody who works for yourself and helping people run their business like a boss instead of just another overworked and tired employees. So check out the Out Beyond. I'm still doing some traditional career coaching as well in the spots where I have time. So I would love to hear from anybody

who wants to talk about Survivor, who wants to talk about their career, check out the Out Beyond and the Kellenby. I just show my life, my dog, all these things. I spend part of my time living in Spain, part of my time living in Indiana. So it's a very similar, very similar places, very similar life here in West Indianapolis, the same as being on the beach in Majorca. So it's really hard to decide which view we like better.

But yeah, reach out. I'd love to hear from everybody and check out Road to Reality if you haven't. I think people are the feedback that I get is people are like shocked about how much they like it, which is totally fine with me. But I think I think it can be a really good listen, especially just look through and pick the people who you really liked in episodes you liked. And it's a great survivor listen in the off season or now. So for career coaching, could I have, when I was still working, could I have called you and said,

I want you to coach my boss because she's terrible and she needs coaching. Well, I don't coach terrible bosses, unfortunately. So you'd have to have called somebody else. But if you wanted help, if you decided you didn't want to work from her for her anymore, and you were ready to make a change specifically, you know, if you're looking to, if you're a nurse and you want another nursing job, that's probably not what we do in the out beyond. I work with a lot of people, former former lawyers, former teachers, people who are moving into different careers, big career changes,

or starting portfolio careers or starting their own business. So transitioning out of one thing into another. And that is where that's why we go out beyond and go to kind of the next idea of what you hope to do for your life. And I really help people through the shift from self-discipline to self-discovery. So instead of like, if I'm gonna start my business, I have to do these 17 things and it has to be perfect and I'm not doing enough and I'm not doing this. I really try to shift from trying to keep up

with the outside world and help people build their life from the inside out instead. So it's a sort of, it's not a traditional career place. We're not necessarily doing the checklist and the networking and the resume, but really about deciding that you want your life to look different through the way you make money. And we figure out how to get there with less stress

and more internal work and really trusting yourself and building confidence and making money, doing the things you dream of, you know, podcasting, being on YouTube and talking about reality TV or any number of things, industry agnostic. So if anyone is interested in any of those kinds of transitions, I would love to have the opportunity to talk with them for certain.

And I find too that people are always like a little bit, there's this moment where I know they're about to say they know me from Survivor and it's so sweet. And like, look, if you are a Survivor fan and you're interested in the OutBeyond, do not be shy, it is incredible. I love my Survivor clients. We have something to talk about every week

at the beginning of our meeting. So thanks for giving me a chance to talk about the platform and here on this platform. I really appreciate it. I would love to meet anybody who's interested. Yeah. Yeah. I did want to get out from under that terrible boss and I did make a change. I just retired.

Hey, that is a great way to do it. So yeah, Jessica, how can people find us? I don't have an incredible sales pitch like you just got from Kellan. That was amazing. You just did a commercial, so you should definitely take advantage of Kellan's everything that she can offer. Is that I want maybe I should contact you, but I don't need a career change. But you almost convinced me to do that just now so I am at Jessica Lewis 89 on both blue sky Twitter and I am at Jessica Lewis 6789 on Instagram.

I don't spend a whole lot of time on social media at this point in my existence. But I do spend time there more survivor related. So you can definitely see anything that I'm posting in regards to survivor. Occasionally there is some dog content as well. They're a big part of my life. So you'll see that as well. But I do not have nearly the social media impact that David Bloomberg does on a weekly daily basis. He is posting everywhere about everything. You can imagine reality tv related.

And so David Bloomberg, why don't you tell them all about your linked tree in order for them to find you in all of the locations that you've just taken over? Yes, you can find me at link tree. Well, link tree slash David Bloomberg and the weird URL has a dot before the EE in there. You can find me directly if for some reason you don't want to the EE in there. You can find me directly if for some reason you don't wanna go to Linktree. You can find me directly on bluesky as at David Blomberg. I encourage anyone and everyone to come over from the other places to bluesky

or your survivor discussions and every other discussion for that matter. As well, I post videos, reality TV videos, two or three at least each day on YouTube, TikTok and Instagram as at David Bloomberg TV. Right now, it's a mix of US survivor, of course, Australian survivor, including many Y blank lost videos, Extracted, Million Dollar Secret. Speaking of Million Dollar Secret, I'm also podcasting about it for the Trader podcast, which you can find by searching for the Trader,

T-R-A-I-D-A-R, wherever you normally get podcasts or in video on YouTube. All right. Is that everything? I think that's everything that we need to talk about, except predictions. We still need predictions. There we are. So there had been some talk already that there could be the dreaded double tribal council. And indeed, as I mentioned earlier, today, CBS released some PR photos showing this will indeed be the case. And thank you to Mike

Bloom for relaying that information on Blue Sky. And in fact, for whatever reason they decided to do this, CBS released photos showing who will be on each group for the split. So anyone who is particularly spoiler-averse, you really want to be surprised by how this all works out. Skip ahead a few minutes more towards the end of the podcast, where, you know, once we're done with these predictions. Otherwise, stick around and we're going to figure this out. All right. So the groups will be Chrissy, Eva, Joe, Mitch, Say and Star in one of them.

Cedric, David, Camilla, Kyle, Mary, and Shaheen in the other. So let's start with the first one. We saw in the preview that Say says, these people are obsessed with me. Now, I'm sure she was talking about the players, but she could have just as easily been talking about viewers because whether people have positive or negative opinions of her, there are a lot who are indeed obsessed with her. Of course, we only need to worry about the players. And the fact that we see her saying this, it makes me wonder if she's the red herring again. I want to say that it's just too easy to predict she goes. I want to say it's not her. But in this group, we know Chrissy wants her out. Even Joe probably do because they heard

say was pushing to vote out Eva. Mitch tried to vote her out. Star is on board with Eva. I do not know how, say, escapes this one. It's just so easy for everyone to agree to get rid of her in this situation. So the only way I can see it happening or not happening is if she wins immunity or finds an idol or some other advantage like sometimes pops up in these double tribal councils. Yeah, I hope that happens because I want to see her continue to stick around, I just can't bank on it. So I have to predict say. I do think even though charity was voted out

in part for bringing up Eva's name, other people do have her and Joe on their minds. I don't see it being a factor with this tribe split. I guess maybe if Say is, maybe if Say is immune somehow, we end up saying goodbye to Joe, but my official pick has to be Say. I agree.

I don't see this group rallying for anyone else, to go home just because we've already seen Chrissy talking about Say needing to go and just looking at the groupings here because we do have the Chrissy and Mitch and we have the Eva and Joe and Star has indicated the Eva component you've already mentioned. So I do think that Say is the, she is the easier choice amongst this group. So I agree. I thought it would be Say as well. I'm gonna go with the red herring theory

that it's not Say for some reason. It seems like that's probably, if I were betting real money, I'd probably put it on Say. But I'm gonna go with my, the second choice that I came up with with is Mitch. I think Mitch might be in trouble because he was seen as a pair with a charity, which I guess in some ways makes him a free agent.

But I'm just wondering if he's not building the connections necessarily with an alliance specifically because he looked shocked at the tribal and he was left out of the news of the tribal before that that he was also at as well. So if I look at evidence of people who do not who the person here who doesn't really have his claws in the sand of what is happening I'm going to say that Mitch actually is the one who gets sent home here in this tribe. That's a good one. That's a good one. I have to say. Yeah. I would be sad. I would love a Mitch, but I just don't think he's in a good place of really understanding what's happening

in the game. And if he's just, cause I don't know what's going on with him and Chrissy, but there seems to be zero connection there, which means Say might be able to pull in the Chrissy vote and she just needs one more to get it to go to her. Especially if she's immune, if somehow she becomes immune and they're looking for someone else. Yeah, you could definitely, as much as Say accepted his apology and gave him a hug

and said, oh, it's part of the game. Say told us earlier, I tend not to hold a grudge, but I hold a grudge. Yeah, there's a chance that Mitch has taken the heat here, especially because he doesn't have what we see at close alliance, but he is very well liked across everybody. And so I do think that would mean that he comes across as a threat as a winner potential because he would pull a ton of votes at the end. So I'll go with Mitch.

Yeah, I think if you were going first, I would have jumped onto your theory, you know, but I already gave mine, so I'll stick with it. All right. Well, moving to the second group, another part of the preview had Kyle and Camilla as the most undercover duo, which I think they are. And Camilla says they're going to frame Shaheen. All three of them are in the same group.

So I presume that they're going to target either someone that David doesn't want to go after or David himself. And then they'll claim to others in the chocolate milk alliance that Shaheen was the one who flipped. Now if David doesn't have immunity, it would be a golden opportunity to get rid of him and break up that honesty, loyalty, integrity, milk alliance. And also looking at the other people, I can't really see anyone else in the group that David would want to ensure stays, but Kyle would want to leave while framing Shaheen. So I think David is going to be enjoying all the milk that he can at Ponderosa.

Wow. Oh, goodness. Oh, I don't like that. You know who likes it less? Liz from last week. So you David fan and she was definitely a David fan. She is a big David fan. See, I I'm gonna, you know what? I'm going with gut, okay?

Because we talked about the first gut and my first gut when I looked at this group, for whatever reason, Cedric just jumped out at me. And I just, he's been such an interesting player up to this point with his, what's been happening at tribal councils and his involvement in what's ensued at basically all of them, I feel like at this point. But there was just something about Cedric that just, I don't know, just I looked at this, this grouping

and I just thought Cedric. So I'm just saying Cedric, I'm going to go with my gut. And that's what I'm going to go with my gut. And that's what I'm going to say. All right. So we know Cedric safe. I mean, say is safe, too. So Mitch is probably the one that's going to be walking out the door. So we see what's happening. I have to say, again, here, my first instinct was David as well. I thought that he's gonna earn his honesty,

integrity and loyalty ticket to Fonda Rosa. But I also think that there's a good chance that he wins immunity and is gonna keep himself safe. And so- Especially if there's a puzzle. Especially those puzzle people, they don't deserve anything around here. They do not get their glass of milk. Especially the milk. No milk.

You know, so I am actually going to go what may seem out of left field here and choose Mary. I think that the Camilla Kyle Shaheen bond is too strong, that David is going to be like that. Kyle thinks that protecting David is actually a good screen for him. And that Cedric is not is getting goaded, like not in the good way in the going to get taken to the end way. And so that leaves Mary without any people here. And so she is the one who gets sent home next week.

OK, double M. Mitch and Mary are my final final votes here. Yeah, it definitely could be that, you know, that one phrase that we saw was a red herring. But because it wasn't specific, because it was just an out of context phrase, I thought, maybe it's legit. You know, we will we will. It'll be interesting. I would be surprised and it would be really fun to see I have actually loved watching Kyle and Shaheen play to me. I think I wrote that they were I wrote the article for R.H.A.P.

newsletter a couple of weeks ago, and they were in the best position at that time. And they still are Kyle and Shaheen and Camilla. But it would be. Fascinating to me if they turn on Shaheen at this point. So, oh, it's exciting to see what happens, although I don't like the split tribal. But, you know, if we have the split tribal, we're going to go for it. And it'll be exciting to see what happens. All right. Well, as we wrap up, I want to encourage people to check out the R.J.P.

Patron program at Rob hasawebsite.com. You can get access to all the special podcasts that are put out just for patrons, plus, of course, the Facebook group and Discord. And you can support shows like ours and everything on the network by becoming a patron at robhasawebsite.com. One other thing I forgot to mention, the shirt that I'm wearing is available. It is an RHAP t-shirt. So if you go to our robhezwebsite.com slash yxlostfeed, you can't get a direct link there, but if you click on either of the other two t-shirts, you can look around the site and find it. So, you know, it's like I said, it's got this on the front and scheme and plot on the back

if you're interested in that. Also make sure you are subscribed to all of the RHAP Survivor podcasts by going to we knowsurvivor.com. You can see all the various Survivor podcasts, select your podcast service to subscribe if you're not already. And you get all the great content like us, the know it all, the, the B&B, Survivor Global, and much more. All right, so can I thank people now, David? Excellent. So we do want to thank everyone at RHAP, particularly Scott, Jess, and Doug, for the incredible work that you do, making all of the content that David just referenced possible. The editing, the artwork, everything that is put together is just so

amazing and you should definitely support RHAP and all of the programming that is put forth. We also want to thank Will from America for the theme song that was created for the audio version of this podcast. Thank you, Will. It's very catchy. It's a great little tune. And Kellen, thank you so much for joining us. This has been lovely and your insights have been amazing. And I really think you're gonna be right in your predictions and it'll just support even more that I don't know what I'm doing when it comes to predictions. So thank you.

I appreciate this so very much. I don't ever get it right. I've never gotten a winner pick right. I don't ever, don't trust yourself over trusting me. So don't worry, I'm not a predictor. A woman after my heart because I have terrible these predictions. So yeah, I wonder. I actually didn't watch any pregame stuff this season for the first time ever.

I don't know. I just did this knock up on me. And so it's been interesting to watch. Not seeing any of the pregame has been a different experience. And but it's it's just so hard to see. It's been interesting to watch not seeing any of the pregame. It's been a different experience. But it's just still hard to say who's going to pull this all out at the end. I think I would put my money on Kyle. That's my full-on prediction. So we'll see how it all sorts out.

But I never did it right. So we'll see what happens. All right. Well, yes. Let me add to what Jessica said. Thank you very much. This, you know, this this has been a long time coming, you know, we were in the same room before, but we I don't even know that we talked to each other back then. Fun fact, which I did not know that I wore those shoes out on the island, the sandals that I have on right there were my in game sandals. So it was all there. And wow, do we all look very 2016

with our capris and my whatever cardigan I have going on there. It's that was a while ago, folks. It was. Thank you both so much for having me. And yes, everyone's support our JP. Um, it's such an amazing community that we all get to do this together and it creates this fun. And actually, if you want to learn more about the community, I interviewed Rob on road to reality and you can hear about the entire creation of our JP, how this all came to be. And it is super cool to hear how this all was created by Rob Sestrnino. So thanks to you both and letting me be here and talk about Survivor. There's just nothing else I would rather do and I'm still a fan after all these years. So thanks for letting

me be here. All right. Well, thank you again. Thank you, Jessica, of course. And we will see everyone in a week. It is slightly possible due to travel situations. I'm not going to Boston because of other things, but due to travel situation, we may be a day late. So don't get worried if we are. But no matter what, we'll see you in about a week with Heidi. Bye everyone.

See ya. If you're a survivor and you're feeling down, Tavon and Jessica will turn it around. Heidi. Bye everyone. And this is what blind lust Oh baby, this is what blind lust