RHAP: We Know Survivor - Why ___ Lost: Survivor 48 Ep 8

Episode Date: April 19, 2025

Why ___ Lost: Survivor 48 Ep 8 Chrissy went out swinging because she didn’t want the Honesty/Integrity/Loyalty/Muscle alliance to run the game. In the voting booth, she said she thought she screwed herself in this vote by opening her mouth. But David Bloomberg and Jessica Lewis know when something seems that obvious, it often isn’t. […]

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Welcome back to why blank loss. I'm David Bloomberg, and I just want to point out I'm not that David, you know, the one Camilla said was the biggest idiot and so stupid. I'm a very different David. You're not that David. Not that David. And with me, of course, is one of the two women who kept encouraging me to show a picture of that other David last week.

My co-host, Jessica Lewis. Listen, yes, I did encourage the viewing of the photo and I can still encourage the viewing of the photo just because, oh, there it is. Just because I like to appreciate the muscles doesn't mean I need to appreciate the attitude. So we can discuss as the podcast goes on about the other David. Yes, this David is this David is great.

Oh, well, thank you. Now we had mentioned last week that we would have survivor 43 James Jones with us this week, but unfortunately, he had something unavoidable come up at the last moment. We hope to see him here again soon. come up at the last moment. We hope to see him here again soon. So sorry to all of those of you who are disappointed, but stuff happens. Now, speaking of stuff happening,

I know a lot of people have ideas about what happened with Chrissy. But even when something may seem obvious, or maybe especially when it may seem obvious, it's our job here to figure out what actually happened. And of course, we will do that by comparing Chrissy's game to my rules for winning that I originally wrote way back after season one and have been updating ever since using all the non-spoiler information available to us from what we saw on TV, interviews,

social media and Secret Scene. The newest published version of the rules can be found at robhazardwebsite.com slash yxlostfeed, where you can click on the link bubble for the survivor rules. Excellent. But before we address how Chrissy did in terms of the rules, we also have some other things to discuss. And I think the most important point I have to bring up

is that Jessica, it's peep season. Oh my god. Rice Krispie Treat peeps. Are you kidding me? I know I saw this at the store and I was like this marshmallow. Yeah, I rice crispy treats are marshmallow and and rice crispy. So I Have not tried one yet So they don't have rice crispies inside. I'm assuming. I don't think so. I'm about to find out They do not feel crunchy at all So you need to hang out with my mother because you and she can enjoy the peeps together. Yes. I forget though. Do you prefer them stale?

They're good stale. Yeah. How's this peep that you're trying? It does taste like a rice krispie treat. Stop it. Really? Mm hmm. Oh, well, you need the crisp.

That's what makes it the crispy treat. For God's sake. Exactly. But it does sake. Yes, exactly. But it does taste, I mean, I think it has some extra butter flavor and that marshmallow flavor. So, so. I get my mother peeps. I forgot. Geez, I'm sorry, Mom.

Mom, I promise I'll send you peeps. Yeah, it looks a little bit slightly different color on the inside, kind of like a buttery color. What's your favorite color, Pete? Well, I mean, most of the colors don't usually matter for the flavor. It's the OK. So the colors don't matter, but they do have like this is a flavor. So if you had to pick a flavor like a flavored paper, do you prefer that or? Yeah, I mean, I like the chocolate pudding one.

That's good. I couldn't find that this year. Wait, so is it all like, it's just brown? Well, yeah, you know, on the inside. So I mean, that's what color chocolate pudding is. Cause I've seen dunked peeps. So I didn't know if maybe it was just like an outside pudding peep. No, no. What are we doing? I have seen the dunk once, too.

I have not gone that far in my peepdom. Oh, so you haven't tried the dunk? No, I have not. Oh, this is fascinating. Maybe on official peeps on sale day, otherwise known as this coming Monday. Maybe I'll find some men. OK, maybe I'll send you some peeps on sale. I actually was I quick story. I realized we haven't talked about Chrissy yet, but funny enough, my husband and I were

shopping at Sam's Club and you can just buy like massive things in bulk. Right. And wouldn't you know it was some of that really gross candy that you like so much. Corn whatever the little candy corn. And I was, it was like, oh my gosh, I could buy these two massive bags of candy corn for you. And my husband looked at me and he was like, Jessica, do you have any idea how much shipping

is gonna cost on those? Cause they were like these massive bags. So just order some for them on Amazon. They'll send it for you for free. So I owe you some candy corn. I just want you to know. I did think of you. But anywho, now that you have a mouthful of pee.

Yes. Speaking of, if I had known this was a snacking episode, I would have brought a snack. That's the only snack that I will have. So. Okay. But speaking of thinking of people, I am, you know, honoring Chrissy here, my, you know, she is from Chicago, and I'm pretty sure she specified the South side of Chicago. OK. You know, looking at her Instagram, she's not a Cubs fan. So there goes half of my wardrobe that I could have worn. That's fair. So I'm presuming she's a Bulls fan, and I know the Bulls were just knocked out

of the play in tournament, but, you know, just in Chrissy's honor here. There you go. In Chrissy's honor. I'm just here in Chrissy's honor. Just me. Yes. I mean, I don't know what this is. This is a rock and rock and roll T-shirt. There you go. Rock and roll. She said she was a badass. so there we go. Yeah. All right.

All right. Well, getting back to the game. A major thing that we have to address is something that we hinted at already, which is the way the power really went to David's head in this episode. We saw him adding a new member of the Alliance without asking anyone.

It's just like, poof, here's Mary. He wanted to target someone who'd been voting with the Alliance, even if most of the others didn't want to do that. He got mad at Kyle for daring to have a different opinion. And he got super pissy with Chrissy for voicing her opinion that, you know, she shouldn't be targeted just for not having a bunch of muscles. It all around great day for David, you know, for the image of David. I do want to say, and I don't want this to come across wrong, but I feel like Mary is purposefully drinking the

Kool-Aid. Like, I think, oh, is it okay if I? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like Mary is purposefully drinking the Kool-Aid. Like, I think, oh, is it okay if I? Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I have similar thoughts. Yeah, because I think Mary, and we actually might've talked about this last week where it's like when you see like a theme or like you see something that's happening

and that becomes the narrative for the season, I think Mary is like, oh, so this is what's happening. And she immediately went to David and has formed a relationship with David because she is like, I'm going to act like I am drinking this Kool-Aid all the way because I need to get in on this. Otherwise I'm gonna be on the bottom.

And look what she did. Now she's like, he's just moved her into this powerful group that's been created, as you said, without asking anyone's opinion. And I'm just fascinated because I really do think, like all of a sudden, Mary has just like blossomed into this like player that is like literally saying,

I'm raising my hand and telling you I would like something different or, you know, this is not what I want. This is not my preference. Or this is my preference. I'm not actually in your alliance, but I'm telling you what to do, you know. Right, I was stunned. I'm like actually in your alliance, but I'm telling you what to do. You know, I was I was stunned.

I'm like, where did Mary come from? And David's like, yeah, like we should listen to her. And then the way that he presented Mary to others, it was just kind of like, well, yeah, we have Mary and Mary's a sixth now. So that's that it. And it was fascinating to me to see that that was how that all went down with Mary. It kind of reminds me of, oh, I hope I don't get this right. The Amazon series, which is based on a book, I think it's called Wheel of Time.

I should know this because I've been watching it. But there is one character in the stories, and I'm just looking it up on an app here very quickly so that I don't get yelled at. Yes, the Wheel of Time. There's one character, a very powerful character, who just shows up with the Queen and he says, oh yes, I've been her consort for, you know, forever. And everybody goes along with it and then we find out that no, he just has this ability to cloud people's minds and basically make them believe that they've known him forever. Interesting.

And this seems to be what Mary's doing here. She's just, she's new to the Alliance, but she's like, I've been with you the whole time, you know. Right. I just And everyone's like, oh, okay. Yeah, I just, I do question, like you said, where she sits in all this, because at first I was thinking she's doing a good job of keeping a straight face

while Eva was going on about how horrible it was for Chrissy to talk about playing Survivor, when we know Mary had said similar things about playing and lying to say at tribal council early this season. But then in all the conversations after that, it really did seem like she bought into the nonsense or was even leading it. So did she change her mind?

Or like you said, did she realize it's smart to fall in line with what David and the others are saying? Or did she just decide she could latch onto David and manipulate him like a puppet? Well, I think it's the third one. I think 100% that she's realizing he is the lead. Joe is out of the question, right? Because Joe and Eva are together.

So that's not an option. The other option then is David. And if you- Well, and she was on the swap tribe with him. So he's the one that she had the option with too. And that's fair too. That is a fair point. And what I think is fascinating,

and again, I have no idea if this is actually what transpired between the two of them, but somebody I believe on, I don't know if it was Blue Sky or Twitter, but somebody posted about how, here's a guy who didn't even know what was blue sky or Twitter, but somebody posted about how here's a guy who didn't even know what Jeff Probst looked like telling everybody at tribal council like, oh, you know, we've been shields for everyone for so long. And all the other seasons, like acting like he knew everything about survivor.

And I'm wondering who's feeding him this information. I know he crammed a lot of the seasons, but like, is Mary like kind of spoon feeding him more going, Oh, you know, they come after all of the strong people all of the time. You really need to push this to make, because then all of the attention is shifted towards David, not towards Mary, because they're all going to be like, well, he's all of a sudden decided he wants Mary. And so I, if that's what she's doing, genius, absolutely genius. Yes. But on the flip side, no matter what she's thinking, it seemed like she was feeling her oats and speaking out a bit too

much like you said, raising her hand, you know, I mean, even Joe later told Kyle that Mary was really pushing Camilla and he doesn't know why. And it just, it feels kind of like the cliche situation of a bunch of friends being in a band and then the lead singer gets in a relationship and that person suddenly starts having different opinions, you know, and it's like, is she gonna break up the band here?

Uh, you know. Oh, that's amazing. So. Might be. Yeah. Now, you know, speaking of the lead singer here, David, going back to him, it was really hard to pick out just one thing as being the worst of what he did in this episode. But I think one indicator of the way David now thinks he's king was the way he dropped

the whole Camilla thing on Kyle and then got mad when Kyle had the nerve to say, hey, can I have 20 minutes to process this? And David's like, well, what do you mean you need time? This is so obvious. It's clear that he believed Kyle should have just said, yes, sir, whatever you say, sir. David even told us, Kyle is skeptical about the Camilla vote, that's supposed to be happening.

Supposed to be according to who? According to him who just dropped it on him. And then when Kyle later presented more information, like, hey, Camilla's been voting with us, Chrissy hasn't, David's just like, you need to let that go. Yeah. Yeah, you need to let that go.

It's like, of facts? You need to let go of facts? Yeah. Yeah, that scene, and can I just pause here for a moment and give some serious credit to stars? Funny little commentary happening when that conversation was happening down by the beach. Loved that moment so much because she's like, Oh, there were

subtitles. Love that moment. titles. Love that moment. But I do think that that to me was kind of like the most uncomfortable component because it wasn't just that David was was pressing on Kyle with what Kyle needed to do. He was doing it in front of everybody else who, you know, Joe was there, Mary was there, and Eva was there. And not one other person was going, well, hey, like, let's just, like, Joe just kind of dropped off right away and was like, well, all right, that's what you guys want to do. Even though Joe should have probably pressed back and said, but it's my name that Chrissy is mentioning.

I'm the person, like, if by chance, and this would have been an argument Joe could have made, maybe he did and we just didn't see it. If she plays her shot in the dark and writes my name down and ends up can't write a name down if she plays the shot in the dark. Oh, that's right. OK, OK. So never mind on that, then. But I just feel like that's something that he could have pushed a little bit more was that I I'm the target here for her.

So it was it was a very just uncomfortable, like, sick in that moment. And we'll talk about that later. I suspect he eventually did. We just didn't see it at that moment. Um, but yeah, I mean, but you know, David just kept saying, well, it doesn't matter. We, we have the numbers and it doesn't matter what anyone outside of us does. And it's like, okay, you just keep thinking that, you know? Um, well, it doesn't matter. We have the numbers and it doesn't matter what anyone outside of us does. And it's like, OK, you just keep thinking that, you know. Now, don't get me wrong.

David is, of course, allowed to play however he wants to play. Sure. He wants to create an alliance of muscles and can get it to work. Great for him. Mm hmm. I completely agree. And I know he's complained a bit on social media about the reaction that people are having to him, that people are being upset that he would play this way. And he is right that people find common ground and use that to build whatever the common ground may be.

The issue we're talking about here, and I think we've made it clear, but just to double down on this, is not him making alliances, it's how he's going about it and treating other people in the process. I will say that I fully support the idea of creating an alliance and sticking with that alliance and bringing that alliance to the end. I know that some people find that boring. It's Pagonging and the whole nine that might come with it. But there's nothing wrong with being loyal to a group of people that you've decided

I would like to play this game with. And then when you get to final five, we're just going to cut each other's throats and go from there. That's fine. There is nothing wrong with that. And if the decision is because we're the strongest people and that's, we want to work with great, or if this is just the five people that I jive with awesome, no issues there at all, do what you want. Some people might think it's boring. I'm sorry. It's survivor.

It's a game for a million dollars. They're going to do what they can do to win the game. But yeah, there's that the side of it. That's, that's uncomfortable is just the the level of control he is trying to take over the people in the group. And it doesn't sound like it's something must have happened to change the group. Think right, because he was very much pushing for Camilla and that was it. It was going to be Camilla going to be Camilla and no one was allowed to say anything besides Camilla. And then all was allowed to say anything besides Camilla.

And then all of a sudden they all voted for Chrissy. So I do, when I went back and watched it a second time, I thought it was interesting that Mary made the comment she did during Tribal Council about how, you know, this was the plan, and that was the plan. And all of a sudden, last minute, like, the plan changes, and now we're here. And I was like, oh, I see what happened there. So, yeah. Like the plan changes and now we're here and I was like, oh I see what happened there. So yeah

Yeah, of course. She was the original last-minute changer. There was just another minute right after that I guess right? All right Well, do you have anything or anyone else you want to discuss before we get to the rules? Well, I think there's probably more things that I would like to discuss I think there's probably more things that I would like to discuss, but they'll likely come up during the rules because one happens to be about Star and that little journey they took, which I'm imagining we'll get to. Okay. All right. Well, there were of course other things going on and I'll, I have already put it into and

we'll put more into my YouTube shorts at David Bloomberg TV, including some already popular things like like Camilla sharing her thoughts on David and Eva sharing her taco burping. You'll be okay. Crazy. What season did they do that whole scene where everyone was just burping? That was it.

That was it. It was no, it wasn't Keith. No, no. There was another one more recent. I feel like, yeah, there was another one more recent. I feel like, yeah, I don't. There was definitely one where it was just it was like a bunch of men were just. Maybe it was my season. I think maybe it was because I think it was Michelle

that was like grossed out because everyone was just I think it was. I think it was my season anyway. Yes, I think it was. I think it was my season. Anyway. Yeah. Yes, I think it was mine. Looking for the ultimate online casino experience? Step into the BedMGM Casino app, where every deal, spin and goal brings Las Vegas excitement into the palm of your hand. Take your seat at Premium Blackjack Pro,

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By all. Well, Chrissy went out swinging because she didn't want the strong five or six or however many to run the game. In the voting booth, she said she thought she screwed herself in this vote by opening her mouth. But was that actually the case? Or had she screwed herself by opening her mouth before this tribal council? Or was it neither?

And there were actually bigger, different issues at play. At RHAP, we know Survivor, and we know why Chrissy lost. The first and most important rule is just scheme and plot. And it certainly seemed very clear that Chrissy knew this and wanted the game to be played that way. She didn't want some milk and muscle, honesty, integrity, loyalty alliance to just steamroll everyone. She wanted the scheming and the backstabbing.

Like she said, if you play honest, you aren't going to win. And playing that way just isn't the game. And indeed she tried to back up her thoughts with gameplay. Chrissy was in the core SIVA Alliance and then did a good job at the swap as well, solidifying herself with Mitch, making a solid bond with Cedric, uh, you know, while wanting to take out Bianca in order to weaken Laghi, the problem really came after the swap because when she expected everyone from Siva to come back together again, it didn't work out that way. As she told Rob that she and Mitch lost them when Mary latched on to David and David and

Joe came together. And, you know, blood may be thicker than water, but clearly milk is thicker than anything because David put aside those tribal blood bonds. And, you know, meanwhile, she came out of the swap with nobody new because they voted out Bianca and then saying Cedric went immediately after. Mitch is now the only surviving person from that swap tribe.

There's a whole pagonging of a swap tribe happening before our eyes. Yeah. And I do think part of Chrissy's issue here and maybe part of Mitch as well, is this idea that that initial SEVA tribe is going to be what brings us all the way to the end. And that can work. And certainly that can be something that happens. But once you do a swap and people start mingling with other people,

you do run the risk of who are they going to become friendly with? Who are they going to become close with? Who will they bond with? And share information and all of these things that can then affect your game later. And I feel like Chrissy, not that she like poo-pooed that, but didn't think that it was going to have

as much of an impact as it actually did, because when they did finally come together, as you indicated, all of a sudden it was like, no, it's not so much about SEVA anymore. And that's why you always have to have the backup plan, right? You always have to have the other plan, which the Siva non Siva five, whatever they are now, I don't even know, uh, are actually coming together for a different reason. Chrissy needed that same type of backup plan with someone else say, okay, well that's not working. Here's my other option. She really narrowly defined where her path was

going to be in this game and that was with SIVA and that was that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, her whole play or sorry plea was for everyone to play survivor. We, we repeatedly saw her say things like you got to make moves. You got to have that resume at the end. I have to find my way to the top and figure out how I can get there. And it's not going to be honesty and loyalty. Now we'll talk very soon about whether she should have been saying those things, but it shows she was truly trying to play the game, but she was running up against the muscle wall. You know, and one thing that David was right about this week, that we already mentioned earlier, was that

people form alliances based on all sorts of reasons. And, you know, finding something in common is a good way to bond people together. And for the moment, that alliance is holding, whereas her Siva Alliance just fell to the wayside. I do think it's interesting, though, with Christy, if it was more bark than there was bite, right? Because she keeps saying these things, that we need to be able to play this game and backstab and do these things. But was she really trying to form a group to do that? Because she certainly could have, but I feel like she would mention it to someone like, Oh, well, we should really target Joe.

And they would be like, Oh, okay. And then they would go back and tell Joe. Well, yeah, the problem was the people she was mentioning it to, she didn't realize were part of Joe's Alliance. Or so it's kind of like, you so clearly Christy saw what was going on, but she didn't see what was going on. And she didn't say, okay, there's clearly this group over here, I need to work on this group over here then.

And we have that moment that I've already mentioned where you have Mitch and Star. And I don't know if it was Christy that was up there too, but there was definitely another person in the shelter during that little powwow when they were down on the beach talking. Like, clearly there's a separation. You have three people here, you have five people here. That's the moment where you start to go, oh, okay, I see what's happening.

I see the groups that are here. And these are the people now I need to focus on because our common goal can be let's get rid of these people over here because they're all coming together. We need to come together. The underdog kind of idea that we've seen so many times come together when people realize we're on the bottom, let's work together and take out the people on the top. So she was mentioning these things like we have to play this game and we need to backstab and do these things. But she then she wasn't actually doing those things.

I mean, you can only do so much, you know, I mean, she yeah, she talked about how the others need to get rid of the physical threats because it'll be them against the weaker players. And she was, you know, pushing and prying and hammering and trying to find a way to break up that group. You know, like she said, if she's not going to try to find the crack, she could have just stayed home and watched it on TV. Now, unbeknownst to her, there is a crack starting to form. The problem was that they put some temporary sealer on that crack. And she was the sealer, you know, voting her out was

like, okay, well, we'll, we'll, we'll put some here and pretend this crack isn't here for now. Right, right. And like you said, whether or not we or anyone else like the way the honesty, loyalty, integrity Alliance is acting right now. The fact is that they all came together and they out schemed her. maybe credit should go to Mary, like we talked about earlier, for latching on to David. But whatever the specific reason, Chrissy just couldn't break through. Others might be able to later, but obviously that doesn't help her at all. Right now, I just don't think that she had a full picture really of who was where.

Like, you know, she tried to get the SEVA back together. Like, let's vote out the people who are really controlling the game. Joe and Eva. Except David was so tight with Joe and Eva that there was no way that was happening. And then she talked to Kyle. Well, Kyle was a member of that Alliance too. Not, you know, I mean, I don't think he wants to stay a member of that Alliance, but he's in that Alliance.

She talked to, you know, just the people that she was talking to either had no power like her or were in the power. And when we get to Appendix A, I think we'll both have some more thoughts about some other reasons that she couldn't pull some things together. Yeah. Yeah. I do want to mention very quickly, and we're talking about Chrissy, but you just talked

about Kyle. I just loved Kyle so much in this episode too, because he was so like heartfelt about Camilla and everything he was trying to do for her. It's like you could feel his pain during tribal council and you could see his concern. I just thought that was really, really kind of him to be standing up for her so much in the way that he was because he knew that he needed her, but it really was genuine. So I just wanted to throw that out there too. Yeah.

Yeah. All right. Well, the second rule says not to scheme and plot too much and to keep your scheming secret. And I can... I don't think she kept her scheming secret. I can already hear the yelling of social media about how this was obviously the reason Chrissy was voted out. I remember what I said earlier about, you know, when things are obvious, you know, that, you know, I've seen it. She should have kept her mouth shut. She shouldn't have said what she said this week in tribal council, et cetera. I have some contrary views.

Now, first, let me say it's pretty clear to me that this vote was set ahead of time. We talked about it a little bit earlier. There's there's just no way it becomes unanimous by chance just because she spoke up. Mm hmm. She could have said anything she wanted in this tribal council and it would not have mattered. It was the the die was cast. Oh, yeah, I agree. Yeah.

So right away, that excludes any issues of her calling out David and his muscle alliance in this tribal council. People were like, well, she shouldn't have said that in this tribal council. That's what got her voted out. She was getting voted out no matter what. But aside from that, what did we expect her to do? Yeah, she was on the bottom. Um, but aside from that, what did we expect her to do?

Yeah. She was on the bottom. She had no Alliance because as we just discussed, they basically abandoned her. There was very little time in between tribal councils. She could either sit back and get picked off like they'd been picking off other people on the bottom, or she could try to change people's minds. Yeah. Well, and I'm curious if there was any ability to... Well, I mean, it's hard because I think right now the biggest hurdle for her changing people's

minds really comes back to Kyle because Because I do think that there is a world in which she could have potentially pulled things off. But Kyle is in such a sweet spot right now because he is with the core five or six, whatever it is now, but he is still an outlier because he has Camilla. So he has something to work on the outside as well. He's realizing, and I thought this was such an incredible point for him as well, when he decided it has to be Chrissy Camilla.

Like we just have to do that tonight. There's nothing else that we can do. If we want to maintain where we're at right now, it has to be Chrissy. It just has to be. And again, you could tell that that's not what he wanted, but he knew that it was going to be the best thing for his game. And so I really think that for Chrissy's sake,

that's where the biggest issue for her actually was, was Kyle, because Kyle was realizing everything that was going on because he has all of the information and making a decision, a game decision for his own game, as opposed to, well, we need to cause upheaval and we need to take down this. No, cause he's like, well, no, cause it's what's working for me. So I would like to stay there. I need to protect Camilla. So you have competing interests. And I understand that those competing interests then turn into, well,

what's best for me as opposed to that person. And Kyle made that decision very clear that that was the best thing for his and Camilla's game. Yeah. And you know, she, Chrissy had been trying to point out that the Muscle Alliance would knock everyone else out and eventually turn in on itself and all of their honesty, loyalty, integrity stuff was BS. And she's right.

She's right about all of it. Last week, I said it made sense to speak up to ensure her point of view was at least out there. So the other one didn't take over the whole season, but it turns out it was more urgent than that. You know, she had to get something going or else she'd be one of the people kicked to the curb as the muscle alliance kept on rolling along. You know, you, you said earlier in rule one, you know, she needed to make these allies.

Well, she was trying, she was trying to get people on board with this anti muscle alliance idea. So her biggest problem wasn't that she was speaking out against the alliance. It was, as we discussed, not having an alliance of her own. Mm hmm. Yeah. You know, so some people on social media immediately said, oh, she shouldn't have told Kyle she wanted Joe up. What was she supposed to do? Not tell anyone anything.

You know, when when the two of them were sitting there alone, Kyle brought it up to her like, what are you thinking? Well, okay. Of course she's gonna say, this is what I'm thinking. Eva picked up on her saying that if they were smart last time, they'd vote out Shaheen, which, I mean, that was just a conversation where she was talking about the situation there. She wasn't even saying what she wanted,

but Eva used it against her. She wasn't even saying what she wanted, but Eva used it against her. If she wanted to give herself a chance of sticking around, she had to push for something to change. I mean, unless the other option, be more like Mitch, try to lie low, see if she could survive now and then find cracks. But as far as she knew, she was next anyway, which that was the plan until it temporarily changed to the Camilla idea. So yeah, you either sit back and get voted out or you try to be the hammer opening up cracks.

Yeah. And she did say if she had known that Camilla was on the table, then she would have pushed for the Camilla vote as well. And she just was never told that that was the other option. So I do think that Chrissy was in a very tough spot because it is hard to try to get into those cracks when they are not quite formed yet. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, so I do want to just kind of close off up this rule to make sure people understand the point I'm making is that usually when we talk about players

scheming and plotting too much, it's because they were otherwise in a decent position and they wouldn't have been in trouble had they not done this. Right. You know, but they caused their own problems. Like about half the players on the most recent season of Australian Survivor that just ended. That wasn't the situation with Chrissy. She was already in trouble for other reasons and was trying to find a way out of it. Yeah. Yep. So, all right, we can go to the third rule, which tells players to be flexible.

How do you think Chrissy did in this rule? Well, I want to say not great, and I say that because she really, as we've already talked about, was kind of stuck in this idea of SIVA strong, and we were going to come back together and be Siva without having necessarily a backup plan. But I think she was willing to have a backup plan if she could have had a backup plan. But by the time she decided she needed a backup plan, it was too late to create one. So was she willing to be flexible? Absolutely. Because she was

like, let's play King of the Hill and knock people off of it. Like, that's great. Like, let's do this. But the problem is that, is the follow through. It's that you want these things, but by the time you want them, it's too late to have them because you've already kind of set your path in one direction. So it wasn't a good mix for Chrissy

because it really locked her into a bad spot, unfortunately. Yeah, I agree. I think she tried to be flexible, but she ran up against a wall of muscle. She said in her interview, she wanted to work with Mitch on original SEVA, but he was closer to charity. But then she pulled him closer in the swap tribe, even though she said he was running around like a chicken with his head cut off. She was willing to work with Cedric and, you know, she quickly shifted things when she found out about Bianca's lost vote. And I think at the merge, she would have happily gone in any direction that would work.

The problem was that for her, there was no flexibility because she'd lost her allies. Almost all her swap tribe was gone. And she was talking to people like Kyle and Camilla. They were playing the middle. So they weren't gonna swing over with her. And then you had Star losing her vote. And so Chrissy really just had nowhere to go,

it feels like. Yeah, no, I definitely agree. She was not in a good place. Now, I do wanna say, and I think you've kind of mentioned this earlier, that Chrissy seems to have had something of a blind spot in that the rule talks about having your finger on the pulse of the tribe.

Mm hmm. She maybe maybe I was the one who mentioned this earlier. She appeared to think David would actually consider. It's OK. Well, both of us did. She she appeared to think David would actually consider turning on Joe and Eva. And so she pushed to get the band back together and take out those two. And it just should have been pretty darn obvious that David was never going to turn on them.

Well, and I'd like to bring up a reason why we know and I say we know, we're watching the show, but we saw Camilla talking about Joe and Eva and David and how they should have just called each other up and said, let's go on the Olympics together. Right. So it was very clear to Camilla what was happening. So Camilla has her finger on the pulse. Now, granted, she has Kyle, so she has more of an inside baseball if you will. So I do think that it's interesting that there are certain components that seem very obvious like Joe and Eva, but then taking the next leap to Joe, Eva, and David seemed to be more difficult for Chrissy to

do. And again, that might just be because she was on the outs and people weren't necessarily sharing with her. But we did at least see that from Camilla, that no, this wasn't an obvious thing that everybody kind of knew about. But again, it could just be where they're located in the tribe itself. Right, right. All right, well, the fourth rule tells players

not to let their emotions control them. What did you think of Chrissy for this one? No, I think that most people would say, oh, she didn't control her emotions at all because she blew up when she was in tribal council and said all of these things. But I don't think that that was letting her emotions get away from her. I think she was playing the game and she was like, I got nothing else to lose. So why don't I just try to say it, even though I don't think that tribal council is the time to become an open book and share all of your dirty laundry and talk about everything in relationship to your game. But for her in the situation that

she was in, it made sense because of the moments now last week, I would say less so because that's probably not the the best time to be bringing these things up because you're not in the same position as you were this week. This week she was like, I'm going home, so I'm going out kicking and screaming. So I don't think that it was her emotions. I think it was more of just a frustration with how the game was going. And that's not the way that she wanted the game to go.

And she just wanted to shake people to get them to realize what was happening. And that can be very frustrating when you're kind of watching from a distance and going, how is no one else seeing this? Like, this is what's going on. Everyone's taking over. But then at the same time, she's missing the closeness between Joe and Eva and David. And so it's this weird like, I don't know if she necessarily saw everything for what it was, but there was clearly a component to the game that was frustrating her.

So I don't think that was an emotional response. I think it was just, I would like to play Survivor. I would like a chance to win a million dollars. And you're all taking that chance away because no one else is willing to admit and talk about what's happening here. Yeah, I thought, you know, especially in this tribal council, with the way David was talking to her, especially knowing that she was probably going anyway, if I were her, I probably would

have lashed out at him and told him where to stick his honesty, loyalty and integrity. Right. You know, she remained much calmer than I would have, and probably much calmer than most people would have in that situation. Aside from that, I thought she did pretty well. On the swap tribe, she put aside her annoyance at say to vote out Bianca for strategic reasons. She had assessed Cedric and determined that she trusted him.

And, you know, she was correct to do so. As she said in interviews, although Say was annoying, she was harmless from a game standpoint. So separating the emotion and, and gameplay part of it. Yeah. So now going back to the tribal council and the way everything was being, you know, people were behaving there,

I think it carries over somewhat to the fifth rule, which reminds players they need to pretend to be nice and play the social game. Even after Chrissy said what she said about the Muscle Alliance and the split tribal council last week, she immediately told her tribe mates, oh, I was just saying stuff. It didn't mean anything, you know, to try to avoid causing any problems. Do I think it worked?

No. But she gave it a shot, right? And you know, like I mentioned, she still managed to at least hold her tongue when David was making this tribal council very person. Yes, that is very fair. Now, in other situations, we didn't see that much to go off of. Should she have commented about, say, eating a piece of fruit on the Swap Tribe? Probably not.

But as I mentioned earlier, she also made a very good relationship with Cedric during that time. And she seemed to have decent social relationships with others at the merge as well. Again, she just couldn't break through the muscle wall. Muscle walls are hard to get through. I'll try. Anyhow. Yes. All right. Well, we could go to the sixth rule, which warns against being

too much of a threat. How did Chrissy do here? Well, this is where I think we find that interesting kind of carve out when being a threat becomes related to name dropping, right? Where Chrissy was doing something that everyone else apparently seems very afraid to do. And that's, let's talk about the pink elephant in the room, shall we? The thing that everybody sees, but no one wants to mention. And that's Joe and Eva. And so let's talk about Joe and Eva. And let's talk about the fact that they are a strong duo. And this is the head of the snake and all of these things. And so that I think is what highlighted Chrissy more so than someone like Mitch, who you've already mentioned, was being more just kind of even keel and listening, even though he tried to get in there and tried to give an idea, a suggestion, he didn't approach it the same way.

When you start name dropping, that's when we see issues arise. She dropped Shaheen's name in front of Eva. Eva went and told everybody. Then she dropped Joe's name in front of Kyle. Um, and then, so that's where Chrissy ends up becoming a threat because if this core five or six, whatever it is, is doing math, there's 10 of them. And if Chrissy can start wrangling people together and making things happen, there's a possibility that things could go awry and that maybe someone's going to decide, you know what? I don't want to be the sixth person on this group anymore. And I would like to go awry and that maybe someone's going to decide, you know what? I don't want to be the sixth person on this group anymore. And I would like to go over here and take more control of my own game.

So I think in that regard, that's where Chrissy really was the biggest threat to the strong five and or six. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, from a big, big picture standpoint, was she really a threat to anyone? I mean, she had no power. She had no allies. But like you just said, she mentioned Joe's name, which of course, Kyle highlighted when, you know, because he wanted people looking at her instead of Camilla. It was funny because he hadn't mentioned it until Joe mentioned the whole Camilla thing. And then he's like, well, Chrissy mentioned your name and Joe's like, you didn't lead with that. And I'm thinking,

no, he didn't lead with it because he wanted to hold on to that little tidbit until it was useful and just became useful. You know, Kyle was right that Camilla was voting with the strong five or six or whatever, while Chrissy could go against them. But then David tried to shoot that down by saying it didn't matter. They had the numbers. So going against them didn't mean anything, which from the standpoint of pure numbers at this moment in time is correct. But it's faulty logic to assume it will stay that way forever. Like in David's mind, we get these numbers and then we march forward and then, you know, it doesn't matter what

anyone else has. But like you said, if she convinces some people to switch, suddenly you don't have that five or six. Right. Exactly. Yeah. All right. Well, the seventh rule covers idols and advantages and game

mechanics. And Chrissy really didn't have much in the way of interactions with any of that. Now, she did have her shot in the dark. And when she momentarily paused in the voting booth, I thought she was going to play. However, turned out, no, she was just kind of like. Mulling over what was going on at that moment. Because she told Rob she knew she was going home, but didn't even think about playing it, which obviously was a miss on her part. Yes, absolutely.

So I don't even know if you have anything more about... No, she didn't even go on any of the journeys, did she? No. Yeah, she didn't even go on any of the journeys, did she? No. Yeah, no. Yeah, no, really nothing there. OK. Well, then we get to Appendix A, which discusses players keeping their end goals in mind when voting. And we talk about voting out the weak, then the strong, then the weak, then the strong. And as with last week, we're still in the phase of voting out the week.

Like I mentioned earlier. They were voting out the weak than the strong. And as with last week, we're still in the phase of voting out the weak. Uh, like I mentioned earlier, they were voting out the people on the bottom. You know, they, they talked about it, um, which is a good move for the strong five or six or whatever, because even though it annoys a lot of us, this type of Alliance steam role can be good gameplay. We've talked about this through the years here. You know, is a Pagonging fun to watch? It can be. I mean, I sometimes enjoy it, but a lot of people are like, we don't like that.

We don't. We want to go back and forth. We want this. We want that. Well, okay, but it's not about what we want. It's what the players want. And if the players can steamroll, they're going to steamroll. And so that's especially true if you believe you have the best path forwards afterwards. Yeah. Yep. And I do think that in, you know, in this particular circumstance, I, it, though,

as a viewer, you might be like, Oh gee, I wish something different would happen. But these people again, and I said it earlier, are playing a game for a million dollars. So they're not thinking about the viewers at home and what's going to be exciting and fun for them to watch. They are thinking about how do we make it to the end. And if you can find enough people to have that focus and be willing to just like steamroll everybody, good for you because you're going to be that much farther in the game. You're not going to have to worry about anything. It's a really nice feeling going to tribal council and not having to worry about going home. You can just sit there and, and feel comfortable because

you know that you're in the majority and you know that you don't have to worry about going home. You can just sit there and feel comfortable because you know that you're in the majority and you know that you don't have to worry about anything. That's a great comfort in a game like Survivor. Yes. So now comes the question, what about everyone else? Why didn't they form a resistance? Yeah, there were several problems here. One is that players need time to put together opposition to a controlling alliance. And this whole vote, vote, vote every day, it doesn't give them that time.

And then it's made even worse by splitting them up. OK, four of you go here to the reward. Four of you go here to the penalty. Two of you sit here by yourselves at camp. Jeff even said at tribal council, there was so much happening. And Mary said, a lot of booms, not enough time to talk. Yeah, exactly. Take a damn hint, Jeff.

The game is not about splitting everybody up. The game is about strategy and social relationships and trying to figure out what to do. If you don't give them time to do that, it's hard to play survivor when you can't talk to everyone for any length of time. And I will say that, well, and there's one added component, I don't know if you're going to mention this, but oh, I don't know how about the lose a vote too. Yes. Yes. And yeah, that is exactly the next thing I was going to talk about was, you know, Kyle said, you need some certainty with the vote to make a move. Imagine that,

Jeff, you know, so kind of Chrissy just they had to sit there and wait until the four from the penalty phase got back before they even knew how many votes were in play. Right. And you know what's fascinating about that too is one, what you just indicated that these two people can't even discuss anything because they have no idea what the outcome is of what's happening over here. But then you have Star's point when she's in tribal council and she literally tells Jeff Nobody talked to me because I don't have a vote So why is anybody coming to me and asking me anything because I don't have any say right and it's just kind of like are you? Listen, that's just say was voted out last week. So nobody has

But you really do take so much away from the players ability to just play. The best part of Survivor, in my humble opinion, in this particular episode, was when everybody was back on the island together, and it was almost like mass chaos because it was like, these people were talking and I got to talk to this person, and you come over here, and then this group is going to talk here, and then this group is watching that group talk. That's exciting television because you're like,

oh my gosh, there's so many things happening right now and there's so many conversations happening. Now, Jeff might claim, well, that's because we took them all away from each other and then we made them happen. They're going to do it anyway. Like let them just do it at their own pace without having to feel like, don't like you're adding stress to their like decision. Like I don't even know what's going on. I have to figure this out.

I don't know what's happening. Stop it. It's not necessary. You're at 10. You're at 10 and you're taking someone's vote away from them. That's terrible math as far as I'm concerned, because if there's any chance that anybody could have said we're going to come after the five, we need five to do it. Yeah. And you're taking people's vote. Come on. Yeah, heaven forbid. Let's not do that.

Heaven forbid that everyone actually be allowed to cast a vote. Yeah. So what did that mean? Well, it meant, like you just said, any attempted overthrow of the majority alliance would be that much more difficult. Now, in theory, Kyle, Camilla, Chrissy, and Mitch could have come together. Like you just said, any attempted overthrow of the majority of the Alliance would be that much more difficult. Now, in theory, Kyle, Camilla, Chrissy, and Mitch could have come together.

But without Star, they needed one more. I think if they had time, maybe they could have convinced Shaheen. But they didn't have that kind of time. So what happens? It's the same thing we keep seeing, we keep talking about. Adding more twists does not make the game more exciting. No, it doesn't.

It makes people play more conservatively. Yes. Like I just mentioned, Kyle said, you need certainty to make a move. You don't have certainty, you're not going to make a move. The core alliance rolls forward, you just play tight. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And that's supposedly what Jeff doesn't like.

So that's what we're getting. Yeah. It's you know, we've seen the same thing in Big Brother and producers just do not learn. I don't understand why they don't learn that lesson. I don't know either. Can I ask a question here? And it is not about Chrissy. Yes, you may. It's about advantages. I don't know either. Can I ask a question here? And it is not about Chrissy.

Yes, you may ask a question. It's about advantages. And I should have mentioned this at the beginning when you're like to have anything else to talk about. And I think I just blocked this from my mind. Okay, so you're gonna ask about the Eva advantage. Yes, please. What is that all about?

Let's talk about that later. So it's not in the middle of this. All right, but we need to come back to that. I don't think it's any big deal, but yes, we'll we'll come back. OK, thank you. So put a pin in it. Yes. I know a pin doesn't make that sound unless it's popping a balloon, but. Now, I mentioned back in rule two that it's pretty clear everyone was voting out Chrissy. They knew that from before tribal council.

And I kind of hinted earlier, I think Joe must have separately convinced David that they really needed to get rid of Chrissy after all the arguing we saw. It seems to be. Especially this season. What we're seeing is a lot of this and maybe last season too. I don't remember for sure, but we're seeing a lot of this debate, debate, debate looks like they made a choice. Whoop, that choice is flipped. Yes.

They're leaving out the final conversation over and over and over again. It's almost become a cliche this season. And my guess is that Joe told him one of a couple things. One, like you said earlier, hey, she's coming after me. So I understand you don't feel like it's important, but it's important to me. And then the other thing is, you may not have the votes because I'm not sure Kyle's on board. I'm not sure I'm on board. And so you might as well join with us and we can appear united. And this goes back to what you mentioned earlier

about Mary saying in tribal council, hey, you think you have something figured out and then last minute it changes. So yes, I'm sure we will see it at the beginning of next week's episode. There'll be at least one, if not more conversations, but I'm sure that's what happened was they went back to David and said, we got to vote together on this one here. Yeah, I agree. One other thing I want to mention is that while the vote turned against Chrissy, thanks in large part to Kyle wanting to save Camilla.

The thing is that it was supposed to be Chrissy anyway, until David and Mary changed the plan. So it really just reverted to what they were going to do. Right. You know, the Camilla issue did not make Chrissy the target. Right. It moved the target back to her. Like the target was over here and started moving towards Camilla.

And then Kyle was like, nope, we're gonna push that right back where it was. Just a little bit of a distraction. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, appendix B deals with the jury phase and this is your favorite

quote of the season probably. Oh, okay. Yes. You know, nobody was voting out Christie just to get around the jury or anything. But Camilla did call out David's poor jury management when he was arguing with Chrissy, like, you know, it was just before voting her out. And he was still doing this. Now, I don't have the exact quote, but, um, uh, you know, according to Chrissy's entertainment weekly interview, David did more than this. He was yelling at her at one point.

And so yeah, Camilla was right. There is no way he gets Chrissy's vote at the end now and probably a number of other people's. But I do have to say I highly doubt it'll matter. Well, but if you're being called out for poor jury management this early, one juror member is there. Yeah.

So David is going to have to exist through how many more tribal councils with that being like a glooming bit of concern for David, but then also a lovely little nugget for people who might want to sit next to David at the end. So, yeah, I loved that Camilla was like, hi, some of you are doing a terrible job. I thought of you immediately. I'm like, oh, look, David Bloomberg, I'm thinking of you. Yes.

Yes. All right. Well, I think it is about time to wrap things up here. So what are your final thoughts on Chrissy? Oh, Chrissy, I really adored Chrissy from the moment that we met her. I loved that she was so very much Chrissy and kind of came into this season with her own ideas and her own thoughts on Survivor. And one of the things that I did really appreciate

was when she mentioned that she disliked super fans who cheat by practicing puzzles pre-season. So she was after my own heart on that one. Yeah, I normally won't interrupt you here at this part, but I do think it was funny that she was worried about the nerds and instead it was the jocks. I know, I know. And so this, and I'm glad you said that actually, because it leans into something that I've

said so many times is that you can come into Survivor with a plan in place and an idea of how the game is going to be and then be completely flipped on your heels, which is exactly what happened to Chrissy. Here's someone who came in as the older woman, but a badass. She's a firefighter, she's strong, she's athletic, she's everything that you would want to necessarily have in your tribe, and she's kind of like, no nonsense, this is what I'm going to do. And I thought she and David were going to get along from the start because they both seem to recognize each other when they are at Ponderosa. But I think that all of Chrissy's great attributes also became her downfall

in this game because she was so just kind of like down to earth and honest. And like, look at this, like, do you not all see what's going on? But because she was so down to earth and so honest, it also kind of blinded her as to what people were doing when it came to playing the game. Because she did want people to scheme and plot and people were scheming and plotting, just not with her. And so she definitely had a disconnect there with what was going on. And something we've talked about is if everyone, if no one is scheming and plotting with you, well, that just means they're scheming and plotting

about you. And so I do think that she caught onto that towards the end that she was the target. She was the person that they were looking at, which is why she was much more vocal about, hey, take a look at what's going on here because you're all gonna lose to these people if you let them stay.

And so I just really feel like Chrissy was someone who came into this game wanting to be true to herself, but unfortunately, sometimes Survivor throws things at you like a group of people who wanna come together with all the muscle and not necessarily the puzzle people and form an alliance and you have to figure out how to work that into your game. And I feel like she missed out because she could have been one of those strong players, which I think Rob even asked her about.

Like, I don't know why you weren't one of the strong players. So unfortunately for Chrissy, she just wasn't able to take it to the level that she needed to take it to in order to save herself. Like someone like Mitch. Mitch is realizing that kind of sweet spot. She didn't. And Chrissy, I was so excited to watch you play. I would have loved to watch you more, but boy, I can't wait to hear her jury questions. I think it's going to be a good time. Well, I think most of the people she's upset with will be on the jury with her. But yeah, Chrissy told Rob, it's hard to play from the bottom when you have such strong

people at the top. And the bottom is indeed where Chrissy found herself. A lot of people think she ended up there because she spoke openly about wanting to break up the strong five or six or whatever alliance. But she wouldn't have spoken out about that if she had been in an alliance herself that could have had a chance to move further in the game. And that was really where her biggest issue was. She had allies before the swap, but other people swooped in and took them all in the swap and right after the merge and she couldn't regain her footing. Of course, there were times when we could watch certain scenes and say something she said or was doing weren't great,

like telling Kyle she wanted Joe out or talking about breaking up the strong alliance in the Split Tribal Council. But what was she supposed to do? Not say anything to anyone? Sure, she could have sat back and hope for the best, but she saw what was already happening around her. She was likely going to be next. And as it turned out, that was exactly the plan at the time.

Chrissy had a choice. She could hope to survive and that eventually cracks would appear or try to be the one opening those cracks. While trying to cause cracks can be dangerous, hope is not a strategy. The core Alliance was against her that much was clear. She had to go for a Hail Mary. And like most times when you try that play, it fails unless you were playing against the Chicago Bears last season. We can't say that Chrissy went out due to scheming and plotting too much or too openly because she was already going out anyway.

She had tried to do something, but she just couldn't break through the muscle wall. And that is why Chrissy lost. Can we talk about the Eva thing now? through the muscle wall. And that is why Chrissy lost. Can we talk about the Eva thing now? No, because we'll do that. Well, we'll do that. You know, we gotta make people stay around. So before we get to our predictions and the Eva thing. And the Eva thing.

And the Eva thing. I wanna let everyone know that next week we are happy to have Survivor 43's Lindsay Carmine returning as our guest. So she will be back here. And we want to remind everyone that the rules we just discussed are available in poster form, on a t-shirt form, and checklist on a t-shirt form and checklist on a t-shirt form. And again, you can go to robhaswebsite.com slash yxlostfeed to find any of those.

That's right. So Jessica. Where can people find me? Is this what we're doing now? All right, I have to remember that comes after the poster. This is not scripted at all, ladies and gentlemen. I just want you to know. I need to write one up. Yes. So I I must apologize for my social media absence.

I'm not on social media as much as I used to, but I am at Jessica Lewis, 89 on blue sky and Twitter. And I am at Jessica Lewis, six, seven, eight, nine on Instagram. And I basically just steal everything that David Bloomberg puts up on the stories and I post them to mine. So thank you, David Bloomberg for being such a social media guru that I can steal directly from you. And David Bloomberg has so many social media outlets that he has created a link tree for

you all to find him at, which he is now displaying on the screen. So David, take it away. Yes, you can find all my accounts at linktree slash David Bloomberg with a dot before the to find him at, which he is now displaying on the screen. So David, take it away. Yes, you can find all my accounts at link tree slash David Bloomberg with a dot before the E in the URL there. You can also find me directly on blue sky as at David Bloomberg. I encourage everyone to come over there to discuss Survivor because it's just a better place.

And then in addition to that, I have been posting at least two or three sometimes more reality TV short videos every day on YouTube, TikTok and Instagram, where I am at David Bloomberg TV. Right now they're mostly US survivor. I just finished Australian survivor mini Y blank lost videos and of course a Y blank one. There's also occasional videos from shows like Extracted and The Amazing Race. And we're going to have some new shows that are popping on here soon, I think, that we'll also probably get some videos for.

I've also done some postseason interview podcasting about Million Dollar Secret for the Trader. You can search wherever you normally get podcasts or on YouTube, that's T-R-A-I-D-A-R. We spoke to Lauren and Se-Yun earlier this week and spoke to Sam earlier today and that's already posted. And we have plans for a production related interview coming as well. So, so yes, that'll be fun. I love your retirement has just turned into podcasting. Yes. Yes. Podcasting and you know, just all reality TV all the time.

Yes. Yes. Tick tocks. I love it. Yes. Yes. Let's go ahead and you know what? Let's save the Eva thing for very, very last. Come on. Hey, you didn't bring it up. So, you know.

I know I forgot and I tried. So let's do predictions first. All right, fine. So from the preview. I don't even remember who I predicted. Oh, well. Was gonna, no, no, it was gonna go like this. This past. Oh. Did I say Mitch?

I don't remember. I think we all I think we both said Mitch. I feel like we both said Mitch. Mitch is now winning. I just want everybody to know. I've determined that from the edit of this last episode. In other words, people, this means Mitch is going next. But from the preview, we see David getting upset that Joe went back on his word and then telling Kyle it should have been easy. And I'm thinking already, yeah, it should have been easy if you would have just not caused a ruckus about it.

Can you describe the ruckus? I think Camilla did a good job of describing the. And it seems in the preview like he's spiraling as others notice it as well. And Shaheen even welcomes him to the party. This would seem to indicate a potential revolt against David. We know how these previews usually go. I know. I think what's actually going to happen is David is going to get mad. against David. We know how these previews usually go. I know. I think what's actually going to happen is David is going to get mad. People are going to get madder back at him and then he's going to win the immunity challenge.

Oh, I see. Oh, well, did you see what the immunity challenge was? No, I didn't. Of course he's going to win. I didn't see what it is. Yeah. He's this there was there was like CBS does their this is not a spoiler because they do their images. And it is one of the challenges where you have to hold a bar up like this

to stop the ball from like rolling down. Oh, I mean, come on with his biceps. You kidding me? He's winning. That's a great. So, yes, I support this conclusion. As soon as I saw them, like, yeah, David's winning. That's great. So, yes, I support this conclusion. As soon as I saw them, like, yeah, David's winning. So some people are going to then therefore need to make some tough decisions. Kyle being primary among them, since he had promised if they voted out Chrissy last time, they could get rid of Camilla this time.

Oh, that's bad. Yes, he obviously doesn't want that. But Kyle will still need five votes. Even if he gets Camilla and Mitch and Star, they need one more and they need someone to target because we're presuming David's going to win. Now, considering how close he is to Joe and the way they both noticed Mary influencing David.

It makes sense to use the tried and true survivor tactic of taking out the lieutenant. So I am predicting that Mary goes. Okay, but so you think that Camilla, Shaheen, Kyle, and Mitch will come together. So one, two, and star. Yeah, I could see that. And maybe even Joe.

I mean, Joe may be on board for that too. He wasn't real happy with Mary coming in there and trying to take things over. He's definitely not. And I think what's interesting with Joe is that he is spending a lot of time trying to placate the people around him, but also being very mindful of the people that are around him. We've seen a lot of the in his confessionals where he's talking about just that like I'm trying to read, you know, the connections that people have. I like that prediction, not that I want Mary to go.

I think Mary's fantastic. And I still have a prediction from the first episode that she's going out and fought in Final Four fire making. So, you know, I hold contradictory predictions. Oh, you definitely do. So let's see what how how much fun can I have with this? Can I change this at all? So is there is there an option for someone else? So here's what I'm going to say about Mitch.

And this, because my predictions don't matter anyway, so who cares? But there was a couple of things. They matter. They matter. They do? They matter to all of us. I'm sure everyone's like, oh, Jessica, we must listen to her.

So a couple of things about Mitch that I thought was interesting. He said in the very early part of the, uh, episode, he made a comment about, I have to stop playing scared. I've been playing this game scared up to this point and I have to stop. But I thought it was an interesting choice. Like, why are they including that little component, that little nugget for Mitch? But I thought was an interesting choice. Like, why are they including that little component, that little nugget for Mitch? Then Mitch announces also towards the beginning of the episode to everyone.

He said, one of us is winning a million dollars or something. Oh, but but one of us is going to be winning a million dollars. And I thought, oh, there's that million dollar quote that seems to be a bit of an indicator sometimes. And then Mitch said later in the episode that I have to start taking more control of my game and making my votes matter and making this game go the direction I want it to go. And I thought, hmm, well, that's all very interesting, Mitch.

Why are they? And there was one my reason for picking Mitch last week was because they spent so much time on Mitch. He got a really heavy episode. And then the following episode, nothing to do with Mitch really, besides Mitch being there and being involved. And I thought, well, that's weird.

But there were these little nuggets that got dropped. And so I thought, Mitch is winning. That's what that is. Mitch is winning. And they're just like throwing out these little now. You have cursed the poor man. You know, I'm sorry, Mitch. I'm sorry. But maybe it'll be different because I'm saying it now.

I don't know. But so Mitch is winning. Don't throw that out there. Hmm. But you know what? Shaheen, I'm going to pick Shaheen. I mean, I was debating with him just because his name keeps coming up. Yes, and because there's this whole like Camilla and Kyle thing happening. And if any if who hears this just happens. Did you see that? Like the wheels just turned.

I smelled smoke. There's been so much smoke this week coming out of this brain. That's ridiculous. If there is this desire to turn things against David and then David wins immunity and suddenly he becomes like aware of like this, this like group of people that are coming after him.

Boy, if you want to throw Shaheen under the bus and say, well, that guy, he did it. And that's why this all happened. And then Joe doesn't have to take the heat for it. And Camilla and Kyle don't have to be like. Take Shaheen. I think it's Shaheen. OK, that's what I did there. I can sign on to that. Yeah. Okay. Love that. Well, before we get to your final discussion point,

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So you'll get a ton of great content by subscribing like us, the Know-It-Alls, the B&B, Survivor Global, and much more. Yes, you should definitely subscribe to everything. Yes. Now with that, I know that this topic came up obviously on Blue Sky right away, came up in Rob's discussion with Drew. And I know at first it looked like, so I should probably explain what the topic is first. And I know at first it looked like, so I should probably explain what the topic is first.

So people noticed that the reward, the scroll that Eva got, was clearly intended for her to get. Because at the reward, unlike usual, they had name cards where they were supposed to sit. They had the bowl of chips that it was in was right in front of her. Now, originally, I thought, oh, well, but anyone could have grabbed that bowl. No, they each had their own bowl of chips.

Rob called them tortillas, but they were actually tortilla chips. Okay. Well, I mean, you know, you make a taco with tortillas. You don't make a taco with nacho chips. So. And when you look at it, there's a bowl in front of everyone. So it was clearly meant for her. The wording.

The wording on the clue says something to the effect of. Oh, I have a picture of it. Okay. Yeah. Some people have said it was clearly intended for the winner because of the wording. It's not quite that clear. It could have gone either way.

It says, due to your good performance in the challenge or something like that. Yes, it actually says your good performance in the challenge or something like that. Yes. It actually says, your effort in today's challenge has also earned you a secret advantage. So that part of it, I think is very, it could go to any four of them because they made it to the final like immunity component of the challenge. But then I looked further and it does say that you will have to be stealthy in order to retrieve it tomorrow night,

which means it has to be someone who is there tomorrow after the tribal council. So I guess the argument could be, well, the only person who's guaranteed to be there the next night is the person that has immunity. And so clearly this was meant for the person that had immunity. But I take issue with this very much because someone else could have certainly, maybe she doesn't like tortilla chips or whatever they are. I think that's why they did it this way was the wording doesn't say because you won the challenge.

It says because of your effort. So like, let's say that she had grabbed chips and not seen the clue and sitting next to her, Joe saw it or sitting across Mary saw it. Mary's not gonna see it. There was like stuff in between them. Well, right, but let's say she stood up and saw someone. But I still think it's so erratically.

I think it was geared towards giving it to the winner. But. Worded in a way that if someone else had found it, it didn't just say because you won, you get this right. But see, and this is where I do I I have, I have a problem with, with this whole structure and setup, right? She's already one immunity. Now you're going to doubly award the person who's one immunity by saying, Hey, here's a little extra thing.

If you want to do that, don't confuse the audience and make the audience think that, well, now you're just rewarding someone that you've chosen because it looks like production picked her and they didn't. If you want to pick the winner and make it clear that you're picking the person that got immunity, it needs to be clear. Like Jeff should have said, okay, you've won immunity and here's a little extra nugget for you or something. Except it specifically said secrets are, you know, I wasn't done yet.

I wasn't done yet. So there's that angle where Jeff goes and you've won this extra thing. Or it's one of those where production is on the score. You put it in someone's bag and all the, and it says, because you want immunity, you now also get this because it needs to be bag and all and it says because you want immunity you now also get this yeah because it needs to be more clearly spelled out because right now you have social media people who are posting that like oh well now you're just giving you're picking the people that you want things instead of saying well you're getting this because of x you're you're giving them

a signed seating so no one else is going to get that, but her, because as you've already said, they all had their own bowl, they all had their own chips. So they're not going to be digging in each other's things. There are those times that they have things like this, where they take a reward in a scroll and stick it in food and people find it by chance. But this one felt very off to me because I don't like the way that it was done, because it was so, if you definitely want to have the winner of the immunity get it,

then make it very clear that that's why that person is getting it. Don't do this weird like, oh look, we just put this thing in a random bowl, even though it wasn't random, because it was directly in front of Eva with the sign seating. I think that they wanted to give it to the winner, but they wanted to leave open the slight possibility someone else could find it.

And they wanted to keep it a secret. And they weren't worried about the conspiracy theorists on social media. No, they're never worried about that. Well, I think they're not worried about it because I suspect they didn't even think about it. Like, I think that they came up with this idea and said, wouldn't it be cool to give the winner of this challenge

an extra little secret advantage and keep it secret by hiding it somewhere that they will have the best chance of finding. And so what I would have liked though, would have been for Jeff to say on the On Fire podcast, Hey, don't you think this was cool what we did, how we did this? This was our thought process. I don't think he even mentioned it. At least I don't recall him mentioning it. So it was left to the the sleuths on social media to be like,

wait, look at this picture, look at that picture, look at the other thing. Right. Right. And and those same sleuths tend to be conspiratorial from the start. Not all of them, but some of them. But I might have posted about it because I was like, well, this is a pile of you did. And I was in discussions about it, too. And so so, yeah, it's it makes it look weird when we're not told about it. But I don't think the production really considers, oh, it might look weird. I think they're thinking, oh, this'll look cool

cause she will find it and it'll stay a secret. Well, but I think they could have avoided the sleuth component if they had written it in such a way that it's like, this is, you know, because you want immunity, because if you're so convinced that it's only her bowl and she's the one who's going to get it, well, then just put her name Eva. Like, congrats.

Like, it's so great. I don't know. There's just something about it that I definitely think is is. Yeah. And there's definitely the, you know, the discussion of do you really need to win immunity, taco reward, and an advantage just for this one thing? Are you heaping too much onto that as well? Mm-hmm.

Yeah. So, you know. What would have been more fun, Jeff, if you're looking for fun ideas, and if you want to keep splitting people up the way that you do and you take four and you send them this way, you take four and you send them that way and you take two and you send them back. Why don't you do something for the two that you sent back to the camp and been like, hey, by the way, guys, they didn't perform well enough in the challenge, you know.

Yeah, but then you give them really just want you to know. We just had some shit around here. Go look for it and see if they find it. I don't know. I just it's there's because there's so many little components that they've added to this game that production is actually forcing the viewers to be more questionable, like to just be more suspect, right?

They're like, no, I don't really like this. There's something that's off about this because you're taking moments away from players by inserting production into components that they shouldn't insert themselves into. It's one thing to be like, we're gonna hide an idol and see who finds it. It's another thing to take a scroll and put it in a bowl

that is definitely intended for a particular person, but not make it clear enough that it is intended for that person. And so if you wanna avoid all of that, and I realize production doesn't necessarily want to think about that, but they have to because then you frustrate the viewers and they start saying, well, maybe the game isn't fair. Maybe you're skewing it or you're moving it in a particular direction.

You're pushing the needle just a little bit. I don't know, just something that I thought was not okay about that. Yeah, I mean, like I said, I just don't think they think about it in the same way. They're not sitting there on social media necessarily seeing this, maybe some of them are. I've seen some of the production people on social media. I think a couple of them probably listen to this podcast.

So yeah, hopefully they'll. Call me. Yeah, hopefully. Yeah. I do think they just need to. I'll help you. Yeah, right. We've said this before, I'll write the clues.

I'll write the rules of each item. I don't know. I happen to be a lawyer. Maybe I can help with some garbage that you're trying to choose on these things. I don't know. I spent 30 be a lawyer. Maybe I can help with some verbiage that you're trying to choose on these things. I don't know. I spent 30 years telling the lawyers how to do things because they were wrong.

So, you know. This is such a perfect team right here. Exactly. I can suggest you all like pay production, write this, and then Davey be like, Jessica, that's wrong. And this is why it's wrong. And we can go through this whole thing. It'll be great.

It could almost be like the podcast. That's right. That's wrong. And that's why it's wrong. And we can go through this whole thing. It'll be great. It could almost be like the podcast. That's right. That's right. All right. Well, we had that discussion. It waited a little longer, but yeah. Sorry. Thank you for letting me do that. But I would like to also thank Scott and Jess and Doug, the whole R.H.A.P. team, our R.H.A.P. team for the work that you do not only on this podcast, but all of the the work that you do, not only on this podcast,

but all of the incredible work that you did here, David, talk about, I don't know, 15 minutes before we went on our little soapbox discussion about Eva and that little scroll in the bowl. But thank you so much for the work that you do to the art, the editing, everything. It's just phenomenal. We appreciate you so much. Thank you to Will from America for the theme song that you not, well, you created for the audio portion of this particular podcast.

It is lovely and catchy. Thank you for that tune. And David, thank you for humoring me. And adding to the very end of the podcast, the issue I should have mentioned at the beginning of the podcast. So lesson learned for Jessica. Maybe I should write some shit down because I don't always do

that. And then I might forget. So but thank you. I do appreciate it. Well, thank you, of course, you know, for, for remembering eventually, and and for joining me as always. And yes, and you know, thank you to. There it is. It's invisible. Thank you to for existing peeps is not sponsoring anything.

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